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B
B
Thank
you,
Melissa.
Are
there
any
changes
to
the
agenda.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I
have
one
and
just
we,
since
we
have
a
full
board
tonight,
I
think
we
can
now
do
Board
elections
for
chair
and
vice
chair
and
I
think
that
will
be
going
under
Matters
from
the
board
or
discussion
items,
whichever
you
think
appropriate
there.
So
that'll
be
later
on.
B
We
have
minutes
of
October
the
11th
2022.
Are
there
any
changes
to
these
minutes?
If
so,
please
let
me
know
right
now.
It
appears
Madam.
B
I'm,
so
sorry
I
was
gone
for
a
minute.
Roll
call
vote
please
in
reference
to
the
agenda.
F
G
H
B
Thank
you
very
much.
Now
we
do
go
to
the
minutes
of
October
the
11th
2022.
Any
changes
to
any
of
these
I
do
want
to
thank
the
participants
in
reference
to
these
particular
minutes.
You
had
lengthy
discussions
in
reference
to
the
subject.
Matters
and
I
do
want
to
thank
the
people
on
the
board
and
also
the
people
that
commented
in
the
audience.
So
if
there
are
no
changes,
I
will
entertain
a
motion
on
this.
C
E
B
Thank
you
very
much.
We
have
one
findings
finding
a
fact
and
conclusions
loss
under
that
that
that,
and
so
is
there
are
there
any
changes
to
this
under
that
category.
B
Those
changes
is
there
a
motion,
Larson.
C
I
J
Good
evening,
you
all
look
good
from
this
side.
J
It
is
okay
talk
right
into
the
microphone
I
I
came
to
talk
today
about
the
new
dormitory
at
the
school
for
the
Arts
and.
H
J
Raised
the
issue
of
the
city's
Authority
there
and
I
think
a
little
history
might
help.
In
1981
the
U,
the
New
Mexico
Supreme
Court,
told
the
land
office
that
the
city
had
no
authority
to
regulate
the
pump
jack
that
had
been
out
front
of
the
of
the
land
office,
and
so
that's
was
accepted.
J
Had
no
Authority
and
then
in
2008,
some
City
attorney
advised
the
city
council
that
the
legal
basis
for
the
Supreme
Court
decision
had
changed
because
the
law
had
changed.
The
city
law
had
changed
and
that
undermined
their
that
decision
and
that
indeed,
the
City
could
impose
its
standards
on
state
buildings
and
without
explicitly
acknowledging
the
correctness
of
that
city,
attorney's
decision
or
interpretation.
A
genial
consultation
process
resulted
that
had
the
state
and
the
city
sitting
down
and
talking
and
enormous
changes
were
made
to
the
proposal.
J
It
was
proposed
as
a
raw,
concrete
building
and
they
sank
it
a
story
just
so
it
didn't
block
the
view
to
the
west
and
they
made
it
in
Santa,
Fe
style
and
both
the
city
and
the
state
I
think
we're
very,
very
pleased
with
how
that
process
worked,
and
this
led
to
an
amendment
of
the
state
law
that
explicitly
grants
the
city,
the
authority
and
that's
what
you
are
looking
at
when
you
are
dealing
with
reviewing
the
dormitory
and
the
process
has
been
used
with
a
bunch
of
other
buildings.
J
It
was
used
with
the
county
courthouse,
which
was
originally
pretty
much
all
rock
and
glass
and
was
a
very
attractive
building
for
Phoenix,
perhaps
but
not
for
Santa.
Fe
and
considerable
changes
were
made
in
the
consultation
process
and,
and
that
was
done-
and
it
was
also
with
the
wood
Gormley
school.
There
were
a
couple
of
minor
changes
were
made
and
then,
with
the
county
courthouse
the
city
pretty
much
approved
what
the
county
had
done
and
then
the
vladim
came
along
and
there
were
significant
changes
there.
J
The
design
of
the
dorm
that
was
submitted
to
you
on
the
27th.
You
all
had
comments
about
what
concerns
about
it.
It
was
too
close
to
the
street.
It
obscured
the
the
old
Gallery
building,
the
1881
building
and
a
number
of
other
well-articulated
concerns.
J
Ultimately
too
boxy
too
busy
too
many
facades,
no
architectural
flow
and
the
Old
Santa
Fe
Association
on
Whose
board,
I
sit
and
for
whom
I
speak
here,
thought
that
agreed
completely
with
the
board
and
what
I
just
want
to
what
I'm
here
for
now
is
to
try
to
remind
you
that
you
have
authority
here.
J
You
do
have
the
ability
to
say
the
changes
and
you
haven't
seen
any
changes
yet,
but
the
changes
are
not
good
enough
and
the
process
is
at
the
end
of
the
60-day
period.
You
have
five
days
five
days
only
to
submit
a
notice
that
you
would
like
to
convene
the
state
and
local
government
historic
review
board
and
have
them
review
it
and
see
if
they
feel
that
that's
the
best
that
can
be
done.
J
Rad
Acton,
who
is
on
also
on
the
board
of
aspa,
has
submitted
a
suggested
possible
revision
that
meets
every
one
of
the
objections
that
you
folks
had.
It
doesn't
change
the
programmatic
structure
of
the
of
the
building.
It
has
the
same
number
of
rooms.
Everything
is
pretty
much
exactly
the
same.
There
are
some
things
that
may
make
it
not
possible,
but
I'm
hopeful
that
that's
something
that
you
all
will
look
at
and
will
will
really
push
the
state
to
make
the
changes
that
can
be
made.
J
I
would
like
to
submit
to
the
board,
so
you
have
these
the
graphics
that
rad
has
done.
That
gives
you
some
sense
of
the
kinds
of
changes
that
can
be
made
with
everything,
and
hopefully
you
can
get
them
to
make
it
a
much
more
attractive
building.
It
is,
after
all,
as
you
said,
the
gateway
to
Santa
Fe
from
the
railyard.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
B
You
very
much
Mr
Katz
anyone
else
wishing
to
make
any
comments
in
reference
to
whatever
you
might
be
wanting
to
comment
on.
B
It
appears
not
we're
moving
to
the
next
item
on
the
agenda,
which
is
staff
Communications,.
B
Carly
Heather
or
anyone
from
staff.
B
Okay
Stephanie,
can
you
hear
me.
L
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
agree
with
the
position
of
the
Old
Santa
Fe
Association
on
the
dormitory
and
I
hope
that
you
would
consider
or
the
the
school
will
consider
using
a
different
design.
I
also
want
to
point
out
and
I've
talked
to
you
about
this
before
this
artist
Sarah
novason,
who
has
a
gallery
on
DeVargas
Street
East
of
Argus
Street
as
a
full,
more
or
less
advertising
sign
a
block
away
on
Old
Santa,
Fe
Trail,
the
old
house
used
to
have
one
there
too.
L
L
This
has
been
on
for
quite
some
time,
I'm,
not
sure
why
there
isn't
just
a
you
know.
It
seems
like
a
pretty
straightforward
situation
why
the
staff
hasn't
really
addressed
it
and
now
again
it's
like
people
want
equal
playing
fields,
and
if
you
can
have
a
big
sign,
then
I
can
have
a
big
sign
and
if
they,
the
two
of
them,
can
have
a
big
sign.
Why
can't
somebody
else
have
a
big
sign,
etc,
etc.
L
So
I
do
hope
that
these
signs
that
are
really
violating
code
and
that
they're
advertising
off-site
will
be
removed
permanently
and
that
the
smaller
directional
sign
that
the
old
house
has
up
would
be
used
instead.
Thank
you.
A
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
So
we
have
a
few
announcements
for
tonight.
We've
just
reached
that
time
of
the
year
where
we're
closing
out
Grant
applications
and
opening
applying
for
new
ones.
So
as
part
of
our
certified
local
government
program,
we
have
the
opportunity
to
apply
for
these
grants
the
one
we
just
closed
out.
D
We
received
a
whole
bunch
of
hcpis
for
the
transition
District,
so
we'll
be
able
to
use
those
going
forward
for
different
properties,
so
we're
really
excited
to
have
those
about
45
of
them
and
and
then
secondly,
we've
just
put
in
for
an
application
for
the
main
library
for
restoration
and
Main
Library,
so
very
excited,
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
use
some
funds
to
go
towards
some
historic
study
and
Survey
of
the
property
prior
to
material
work
on
it.
D
Okay,
let's
see
that
does
it
for
the
CLG
Grant
portions,
we
we
are
getting
close
to
finalizing
our
schedule,
for
the
2023
hearing,
so
also
be
sending
that
out
to
the
board
or
2023
year
for
the
hearing
schedule
so
I'll
be
sending
that
out
to
the
board,
hopefully
prior
to
the
next
hearing,
and
then
we
can
go
ahead
and
finalize.
D
Lastly,
we
do
have.
We
are
still
interviewing
for
our
senior
planner
position
and
we
just
have
one
to
go
before
we
close
that
out,
so
really
looking
forward
to
being
fully
staffed
up
and
that's
for
the
night
for
tonight.
Thank.
B
A
Thank
you,
chair
Rios
this
evening,
I'm
going
to
be
presenting
two
cases
as
you've
mentioned.
I
hope
that
I
can
make
the
presentation
once
if
that
places
the
chair,
it
will
be
regarding
both
cases.
Thank
you.
The
this
case
was
heard,
and
it
was
determined
by
the
historic
districts
review
board
that
a
additional
historic
information
was
required
in
order
to
render
a
decision.
So
the
first
case
really
relates
to
the
historic
status
of
the
building.
It
was
designated
I'm.
A
Sorry,
the
location
is
504
East
Palace
Avenue,
which
is
to
the
east
of
Delgado
Street
on
the
south
side
of
Palace
Avenue
in
the
downtown
and
East
Side
historic
district.
It
is
a
two-story
building
the
base
story
being
of
adobe
construction,
the
top
story
being
of
brick
construction
and
the
yard
wall
originally
was
a
rock
wall
out
front,
but
was
changed
in
the
1990s
to
have
stucco
and
redesign,
so
the
yard
wall
itself
is
not
considered
as
part
of
this
status
review.
A
With
reference
to
the
proposed
status,
John
Murphy
goes
in
detail
about
the
history
of
the
property
but
similar
to
the
picnitoli
house
in
off
of
Grant
Street.
The
base
was
originally
painted
to
reflect
a
brick
and
you
can
see
in
your
packet
sort
of
the
the
hash
marks
on
an
early
earlier
photo
in
the
1980s,
and
this
was
originally
constructed
as
a
duplex
format,
and
so
therefore
there's
the
two
front
doors
on
the
North
elevation
and-
and
then
that's
you
know,
goes
to
speaking
towards
the
very
symmetrical
basis
for
the
historic
building
footprint.
A
So
with
reference
to
the
historic
status,
staff
recommends
that
the
primary
thought
facades
that
be
considered
would
be
the
north
elevation,
which
is
that
primary
entrance
to
Elevation
the
East
elevation
of
the
historic
building,
the
historic
Square
footprint,
which
also
has
some
character,
defining
Elements,
which
is
mirrored
on
the
west
elevation
of
that
original
footprint.
And
then
at
the
South,
which
you
can
see
a
photograph
of
here.
There
have
been
changes
actually
starting
in
the
1930s.
A
A
A
The
applicant
is
also
proposing-
and
you
may
recall
this
from
our
last
hearing-
to
the
addition
of
an
elevator
on
the
south
elevation.
An
exception
is
being
requested
for
the
step
back
from
the
primary
facade
and
staff
has
no
objection.
The
elevator
will
be
tucked
under
the
the
existing
flashing
of
the
the
main
residents
and
the
existing
window.
Opening
will
be
where
that
elevator
will
access.
A
The
window
would
have
to
be,
of
course,
removed
and
the,
but
the
entrance
will
be
roughly
at
that
location
into
the
house
to
accommodate
for
accessible
accessibility
to
the
second
floor
for
the
property
owners
and
here's
another
view
illustrating
these.
The
minor
step
back,
that's
represented
by
the
existing
addition
to
the
South,
and
that
is
the
subject
of
the
the
proposed
exception.
A
And
and
from
a
plan
view
you
can
see
the
the
proposed
elevator,
which
is
there
at
the
southeast
corner
floor
plan,
view
as
well,
and
then
illustration
of
the
addition
that
sort
of
tucks
under
that
flashing,
the
existing
flashing
and
extends
approximately
five
feet,
two
inches
and
no
elevation
changes
are
proposed
or
material
or
anything
are
proposed
on
the
North
elevation.
E
I
You,
madam
chair
Heather,
since
this
is
before
us
on
a
status
review.
Has
the
front
wall
been
previously
designated?
Can
it
be
if
it
has
not
been
based
on
the
notice
that
was
given
and
if
so,
what's
your
position,
I
noticed
it
was
recommended
as
contributing
by
Mr
Murphy.
A
Can
be
included
as
part
of
the
the
status
review
of
staff's
opinion
was
that
it
was
originally
a
rock
wall
and
was
modified
wipes
a
bit.
You
know,
and
there
were
non-historic
modifications,
so
I
did
not
agree.
Staff
did
not
agree
with
that
that
suggestion,
but
it
certainly
is
the
up
to
the
board.
If
you
find
that
it
qualifies
as
contributing
do.
A
In
the
1990s
rather
was
a
draft
staff
report
they,
unfortunately
we
don't
have
the
the
records
from
the
late
1990s.
They
were
lost,
but
I
did
find
a
draft
staff
reporter,
and
it
was
at
that
time
that
change
was
made
thanks.
B
A
I
would
have
to
look
at
the
staff
report
to
Cheerios
to
to
know
the
answer
that
so
I'd
have
to
take
a
look.
I
can
get
back.
B
Thank
you
because
portions
of
this
building,
the
first
story
of
this
building
is
130
years
old
or
around
there
correct,
and
then
they
added
the
Second
Story,
which
is
also
very
old,
like
122
years
old
and
I
would
venture
to
say
that
the
wall
here
this
wall
was
at
it
later
on,
not
in
a
historic
time,
because
walls
were
normally
low
or
no
walls
back
back
in
those
days
and
a
rock
wall
to
me
seems
to
be
very
common
for
this
for
this
home,
but
not
at
this
height,
and
that's
just
an
observation
that
I'm
making
in
reference
to
the
history
of
the
area.
A
B
Thank
you
normally,
as
you
know,
we
don't
combine
cases
such
as
these.
B
B
A
Well,
certainly,
Cheerios.
The
visibility
of
the
elevator
will
be
primarily
to
the
property
owner
to
the
east.
So
you
can
see
in
this
Photograph.
There
is
a
drive
that
comes
off
of
Palace
Avenue
to
access,
the
residences
that
are
are
located
to
the
east
and
south
sort
of
along
that
internal
driveway.
That's
off
Palace
Avenue,
so
Elizabeth
may
be
able
to
give
you
a
specific
number
of
Beats,
but
it
will
not.
You
will
catch
a
view
of
it
coming
West
on
Palace
Avenue,
but
it
is
not
substantially
publicly
visible.
B
B
C
N
Wagner
810
East,
Palace
Avenue.
B
Yes,
Elizabeth:
what
do
you
have
to
tell
us
about
for
the
first
case
in
reference?
Do
you
agree
with
staff?
According
to
the
to
staff's
recommendations
for
the
primary
facades.
N
I
was
prepared
for
this
I
think
that
the
obviously
the
north
elevation
in
the
west
elevation
are
primary
I,
don't
think
the
East
Elevation
is
as
important,
because
it's
not
visible
from
the
streets
or
from
Delgado.
It's
only
visible
down
a
private
driveway
from
Neighbors
and
just
to
speak
to
that.
The
owner
is
here
and
she
has
spoken
to
the
owner
of
the
property
in
the
back
and
they
approve
it.
N
M
N
Just
can't
get
back
and
see
it
at
all
and
one
other
thing,
while
I'm
thinking
of
it
that
rock
wall
somewhere
in
John,
Murphy's,
updated
survey,
I
recall
him
saying
that
it
was
in
fact
a
rock
wall
and
it
was
like
three
to
four
feet
tall.
That
was
typical
of
that
time.
In
the
neighborhood.
B
Yeah,
that's
what
I
would
agree
with
that
was
typical.
A
shorter
wall
way
shorter,
any
questions
for
Elizabeth
in
reference
to
the
primary
facades.
Nothing,
and
do
you
have
to
tell
us
anything
about
the
elevator.
N
Well,
in
anticipation
that
the
East
facade
would
be
declared
primary,
I
went
ahead
and
wrote
Ask
asking
for
an
exception,
because
I
know
that
any
addition
has
to
be
10
feet
back
from
the
primary
facade,
and
this
is
only
one
foot
back
because
of
the
thickness
of
the
wall.
It's
back
in
the
interior
of
the
kitchen,
an
unused
pantry,
which
is
very
typical,
I
mean
we
have
a
plan
B
where
we
could
put
the
elevator
in
the
historical
for
room,
historical
footprint,
but
we
that's
not
desirable
to
us.
N
We
want
to
put
it
in
the
addition,
so
it
doesn't,
you
know,
mess
with
that
historical
footprint.
We
can,
if
we're
denied
denied
that's
what
we'll
go
ahead
with,
but
you
entered
the
elevator
from
the
kitchen.
It
goes
up
to
the
second
floor
and
you
enter
into
a
children's
bedroom
and
we
have
to
make
that
ADA.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
compliant,
but
we're
going
to
make
it
for
Bear's
parents.
F
F
Thank
you,
I
I
have
one
question:
I.
First
of
all,
I
agree
with
option.
A
of
you
know
adding
it
into
the
Edition
rather
than
into
the
historical
Fabric
and
I
was
hoping
that
you
could
maybe
elaborate
a
little
bit
on
that
reasoning.
N
F
N
O
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I'm,
glad
to
see
you
guys
back
here
tonight
and
that
we're
able
to
do
both
of
these
cases
for
you
in
one
night,
because
I
know
you've
been
trying
to
do
this
since
the
summer.
O
For
me,
I
think
this
is.
This
is
why
the
exception
criteria
exists.
I,
think
we
have
a
family.
That's
been
living
here
for
23
years,
they're
invested
in
this
house.
My
take
away
from
the
letter
was
that
they
love
the
house
and
that
they,
you
know,
put
Karen's
maintaining
it.
O
So
I
think
this
is
why
the
exception
criteria
exists,
to
allow
people
to
age
in
place
and
to
continue
to
live
in
this
house,
so
I
I
would
also
be
in
favor
of
adding
the
elevator
into
the
addition
and
not
into
the
historical
footprint
of
the
of
the
house.
B
B
Okay,
it
appears
not
yes,
Heather.
C
L
You
in
terms
of
the
status
case,
I,
hope
that
you
will
consider
all
three
facades
since
I
think
the
mirroring
of
the
East
and
West
facade
is
important
in
itself
and
then
the
East
facade
also
has
character,
defining
features,
whether
you
can
see
it
or
not,
and
again,
trees
die
and
you'll
get
to
see
the
house.
L
If
that's
what's
interfering
right
now
and
the
same
for
driveways
I
mean
if
it's
a
private,
driveway
I
guess
maybe
that's
a
little
bit
different
I
thought
that,
and
before
you
granted
an
exception,
you
were
supposed
to
look
at
alternative
designs
that
would
avoid
an
exception
and
I'm
not
quite
sure
about
destroying
the
historic
fabric
of
the
house,
because
nothing,
the
footprint
which
is
I.
Think
of
your
is
your
concern
actually
will
not
be
changed
and
my
suggestions
for
alternative
design
was
one:
have
a
bedroom
downstairs
and
I
see.
L
Of
rooms
down
there
or
put
the
elevator
where
the
stairs
are
I'm,
assuming
there
are
stairs,
and
so,
if
you
put
the
elevator
where
the
stairs
are,
it
would
be
minimally
disruptive
because
you
probably
already
have
you
know
a
significant
opening
there.
So
I
I
would
hope
that
the
board
would
actually
consider
that,
even
though
this
is
not,
you
know
on
a
side
that
is
not
as
visible
or
only
visible
to
you
know,
people
using
the
driveway
in
particular.
B
Thank
you
board
members.
I
will
entertain
actually
two
motions,
because,
even
though
we
kind
of
we
combine
these
they're
at
the
same
address,
but
they
have
two
different
case
numbers.
So
if
someone
will
make
a
motion
in
reference
to
the
first
case,
which
has
to
do
with
primary
facades,
remember
Guida.
E
On
the
primary
facade
case,
I'll
just
say
that
in
favor
of
the
applicants,
suggestion
of
designating
two
facants
for
the
reason
that
the
East
facade
is
more
utilitarian
because
of
the
addition,
the
West
facade,
conveys
those
character
defining
elements
and
that
the
and
that
the
test
for
a
primary
facade
should
not
be
just
that.
It
has
character,
defining
elements.
P
Amber
Beachside,
yes,
I,
think
that's
a
good
point
and
I
was
thinking
about
that
as
well.
So
just
for
the
purpose
of
discussion
is
this
case.
Does
anyone
see
this
case
as
different
because
of
the
symmetry
of
the
historic
building?
P
E
You
know
that
the
West
facade
is
also
pretty
nice
is
a
reason
to
keep
it
and
to
and
to
preserve
the
kind
of
cubic
volume
of
the
house.
I.
Think
that's
the
reason
for
the
West
facade
that
that
the
East
facade
matches,
probably
not
so
not
as
important
that.
E
E
Okay,
so
in
case
2022-005,
791
hdrb,
504,
East,
Palace,
Avenue
I,
move
that
the
board
maintain
the
contributing
status
of
the
residents
and
designate
the
north
and
west
facades
as
primary
with
the
exclusion
of
the
1990s
porch
that
was
added
to
the
front
of
the
house
and
and
and
there's
no
status
on
the
wall.
E
F
C
I
B
I
vote
against
the
motion,
because
I
agree
that
the
East
facade
should
also
be
primary,
so
I
will
entertain
another
motion.
K
I
I
Yeah
and
just
for
clarity,
the
the
wall
I
was
specifically
having
designated
as
non-contributing.
Not
just
no
designation
got.
P
C
Thank
you,
member
bienvenue
members.
M
B
C
R
F
R
I
think
we
need
to
the
way
I
see
how
this
developed.
Here
we
had
a
couple
of
votes.
Then
there
was
a
friendly
Amendment
and
we
had
a
couple
more
votes.
I
think
that
the
people
who
voted
before
the
friendly
amendment
was
cast
I
have
to
have
the
opportunity
to
to
re-vote.
Okay,
all.
B
R
I
I
think
we
can
just
ask
member
Aguilar.
Do
you
wish
to
change
your
vote.
P
R
B
You
that's
correct
and
sorry
in
reference
to
emotion,
I
I
will
be
a
little
bit
more
alert.
I
didn't
see
that
you
had
an
amendment
anyway.
Okay,
so
in
refers
to
the
elevator.
F
F
We
should
not
restrict
you
know
the
the
needs
of
of
people
that
require
you
know
buildings
to
work
for
them.
I
think
you
know
historic
buildings
should
work
for
people
rather
than
the
opposite,
so
in
case
2022-005595
hdrb
504,
East,
Palace,
Avenue
I
move
to
approve
the
application
as
submitted
finding
the
exception.
Criteria
have
been
met
and
the
exception
criteria
being
the
exception
for
an
addition
of
10
feet
on
a
primary
facade.
Finding
that
this
is
a
sensitive
addition
and
compliant
with
the
needs
for
the
design
and
also
approving
numbers.
P
Each
title
second
and
I
might
just
add
that
I
feel
like
this
is
exactly
how
this
kind
of
Edition
should
be
done,
and
thank
you
for
showing
us
that
it's
possible
to
add
an
elevator
with
minimal
disruption
to
a
historic
property,
with
no
overrun
at
the
top
and
minimal
change
to
the
roof
line.
We
really
appreciate
that.
B
I
B
And
good
luck
with
your
project,
we'll
move
on
to
new
business
and
the
first
case
under
new
business
is
located
at
645,
East,
Palace,
Avenue,
Unit,
one
and
Angela.
That
is
your
case.
May
we
hear
your
case
please.
S
S
S
So
it
is
definitely
a
vernacular
house
listed
as
non-contributing
in
the
downtown
and
East
Side
historic
district,
based
on
the
case
in
your
packet
and
the
previous
case
in
2015
and
17,
the
the
scope
of
work
that
you're
reviewing
was
approved
in
2017
a
previous
case,
and
the
case
is
coming
back
to
you
with
some
some
additional
changes
and
The
Proposal
in
your
in
your
packet
in
my
staff
report,
was
all
approved
in
the
2017
case.
S
The
current
proposal
is
to
alter
some
of
those
approved
changes
with
respect
to
size
of
sizes
of
portals
additions
and
locations
of
Windows
and
Doors,
and
the
applicant
is
here
to
present
his
case
in
detail.
He'll
All
Advance,
the
slides
for
him.
The.
S
Yeah
I
guess
I
can
just
conclude
that
I
staff
recommends
approval
of
the
approved
the
revised
current
scope
and
because
it
does
comply
with
the
general
design
standards,
as
well
as
the
downtown
and
East
Side
design
standards
and
I
feel
like
I'm
leaving
something
out,
but
I
guess
I'll
find
out.
That
concludes
my
report.
S
B
C
T
B
Chris
you're
asking
for
some
changes
to
the
previous
approval.
So
will
you
tell
us
about
those
please
so.
T
Madam
Terry,
you
probably
noticed
in
your
packet.
There
was
a
couple
of
administrative
approvals
before
we
even
got
to
this,
and
then
this
project
took
forever
to
get
out
of
the
ground,
and
so
I
have
an
owner.
That
is
creative
and
he
likes
to
think
of
things.
What
we
found
out
is
the
back
of
the
property,
the
furthest
away
from
the
parking
area.
That
would
be
the
northern
peace,
where
we
are
planning
to
add
the
Master
Suite
on
the
outside
of
the
building
when
they
started
working
back
there.
T
They
found
that
that
wall
had
been
eroding
for
years,
and
so
there
was
hardly
any
structural
Adobe
left
and
the
vigas
above
them
were
rotted.
So
we
decided
we
could
push
the
master
suite
into
the
building
more
because
because
the
wall
wasn't
any
good
anyhow
and
that
and
that
so
that's
that
allows
us
to
add
less
in
that
part
of
it
we've
also
and
then,
because
it
because
it
thank
you,
because
it's
getting
pushed
into
the
building
more
see.
That's
that's
what
was
approved
I
need.
Can
you
go
to
the
floor
plan
yeah?
T
So
on
the
third
line?
You
can
see
that
there's
the
red
area
was
what
was
originally
approved.
You
can
see
the
on
the
left
side
approved,
you
can
see.
The
master
suite
sticks
out
and
has
a
portal
left
side
would
be
South,
West
side
and
then
and
that
the
master
suite
is,
is
basically
further
integrated
into
the
building
and
then
the
other
changes
were
moving.
The
fireplace
that
was
in
the
middle
of
a
living
room
out
to
the
corner,
so
it
could
be
more
of
a
Kiva.
T
The
kitchen
stayed
the
same
and
the
and
my
laundry
room
was
deemed
too
tight
and
so
he's
asking
if
he
can
push
that
out
or
I'm
asking
if
we
can
push
that
out
underneath
the
portal
mechanical
room.
So
that's
the
that's
the
100
square
foot
Edition,
which
is
on
the
top
of
the
drawing
or
east
side
of
that.
E
You,
madam
chair
hi
Chris.
If
we
go
back
to
your
floor
plan,
you
mentioned
relocating
the
fireplace
in
the
living
room.
I
see
it's
on
the
lower
wall
in
the
plan,
and
you
mentioned
Akiva,
where,
where
will
that
be?
Is
that
in
the
drawing.
T
M
T
The
same
place
go
back,
you
see
the
the
oval
and
the
bottom
proposed
Southeast
elevation.
T
E
L
Thank
you,
Stephanie
benonato,
PO,
Box,
1601,.
M
L
Fe,
we
could
not
see
the
elevations
that
were
being
discussed.
We
just
saw
Mr
Purvis
and
staff
standing
there,
so
it's
it's
a
little
bit
hard
to
follow
the
questioning
and
response.
The
other
thing
is
I,
just
wonder
if
this
was
done
in
2017.
How
long
do
historic
approvals
last
for-
and
you
know,
I
mean
I
think
that
the
changes
are
okay,
it's
a
non-contributing
building
but
I.
Just
wonder
why
it
took
so
long
to
come
back
to
the
board.
Thank
you.
B
I
will
entertain
a
motion
member
thank.
E
You,
madam
chair
case,
2022-005-970
hdrb,
645,
East,
Palace,
Avenue
number,
one.
K
E
E
B
You
and
thank
you
Chris
next
case
is
located
at
110
Calle
La
Pena.
This
is
a
contributing
house
in
Carly's
case.
So
maybe
we
hear
that
Carly.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
the
board
can
hear
me.
Okay,
so
okay,
we've
seen
this
one
before
for
a
status
review.
Earlier
this
year
we
are
looking
at
Kyla
Pena,
it's
a
contributing
house
to
the
downtown
east
side.
Historic
district,
the
East
facade,
was
designated
primary,
including
1A
and
1B,
as
highlighted
here.
D
Here's
elevation
from
the
night
one
of
the
1980s
hick
piece
and
I'll
just
go
through
the
slides
very
quickly,
so
we're
looking
at
photographs
and
then
some
elevations,
because
there's
quite
a
few
changes
on
this.
But
the
major.
D
The
major
items
that
we're
looking
at
tonight
are
window
changes
door
changes.
We
have
seven
non-historic
doors
that
were
replaced
in
the
1980s
and
90s.
We
have
a
large,
not
one
large
non-historic
windows,
but
we
have
lots
of
metal,
casement
windows
and
the
cable
railing.
D
I've
got
these
highlighted
here.
So
a
removal
of
a
stair
and
the
upper
left
and
the
replacement
of
the
cable
railing
to
a
steel
railing
painted
to
look
like
wrought
iron
and
I'm
going
to
allow
the,
or
rather
our
applicant
and
would
like
to
present
some
of
this
material.
So
I'm
going
to
keep
my
presentation
on
the
design.
Pretty
brief.
But
I've
got
these
highlighted.
So
we
have
some
changes
to
a
non-historic
yard
wall,
lots
of
changes
to
doors
and
that's
where
you
see
the
exception
criteria
being
applied
for
the
style.
D
So,
in
my
view,
staff
I
saw
these
aluminum
clad
doors
to
be
not
in
the
white
in
stock,
in
the
style
of
the
building
they,
while
they
match
the
windows
closely
somewhat
they
the
window.
The
doors
that
you
would
have
seen
during
this
time
period
are
either
carved
wood
or
a
different
sort
of
divided
Light
Glass.
So
this
is
one
of
the
major
concerns
we
have
on
this
building
that
and
the
amount
of
this
how
these
changes
impact
the
building
and
potentially
impact
the
status
of
this
building.
D
So
this
is
the
primary
facade
that
we're
looking
at
the
East
and
then
here
is
the
north
facade.
This
was
one
that
was
recommended
as
primary
and
is
not
a
primary
facade,
but
I've
highlighted
the
portals
because
there's
several
portals
that
are
being
added
or
put
in
The
Proposal
that
are
have
a
stucco
parapet
door
number
three
down
there
and
then
the
large
replacement
a
glass
window
this
mimics,
while
this
window
is
quite
a
bit
larger
than
what
we
see
in
the
historic
district,
it
does
mimic
some
of
the
design.
D
We
do
see
there's
one
on
Don
Miguel
kind
of
over
across
from
Johnny's
Cash
Store
that
looks
similar,
but
it's
about
three
quarters
of
the
size.
There's
a
window
going
two
doors
here,
all
right
and
then
otherwise.
The
other
major
changes
on
this
project
are
that
there's
some
additional
height
being
added
to
the
studio
in
order
to
adjust
to
accommodate
for
or
mitigate
for
a
drainage
issue
and
then
a
porch
Hall
wrapping
the
interior,
so
removal
of
portal
and
then
the
addition
of
a
portal
of
that
interior,
the
courtyard
okay.
D
There
are
some
glass
block
windows
that
are
being
removed,
and
then
we
have
this
this
change.
This
is
the
into
this.
Is
the
Rays
of
of
the
parapet
height
that
I'm,
referring
to
that's
outlined
in
red,
with
the
windows,
adjustments
below
okay.
D
Then
we've
got
some
finishes
and
fixtures,
so
here
are
the
the
metal
clad
window
replacements
and
then
the
image
of
the
doors.
D
And
with
that
there's
also
some
stucco,
the
other
parts
of
the
projectile
will
be
to
re-stepper
the
house
and
beyond
that
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
turn
it
over
to
the
applicant
and
pull
up
their
pages
whole.
Bear
with
me
just
a
moment.
D
C
C
D
Chair
one
more
thing
to
add,
so
staff
is
just
not
recommending
that
the
exception
criteria
have
been
met
on
this
project,
so
that
said,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
turn
it
over
to
the
application.
Thank
you.
Carly.
B
Any
before
you
leave
the
podium
Carly
any
clarification,
questions
for
Carly
member
Guida.
E
D
The
exceptions
on
this
are
for
the
style,
the
style
to
the
tours.
While
we
have,
we
have
seven
non-historic
doors
on
the
property
and
we
do
look
for.
When
we
look
at
Replacements,
we
do
look
for
Replacements
that
are
in.
They
need
to
be
in
the
style
of
the
building,
so
additions
and
remodels.
That
is
the
requirement
that
they
maintain
that
style
of
the
building.
Otherwise
we
then
start
to
look
at
whether
or
not
the
building
status
starts
to
be
threatened,
and
so
the
amount
of
changes,
including
this
is
the
big
one.
D
No,
they
are
throughout.
So
this
this
exception
applies
to
not
just
primary
facades
but
to
the
entire
building,
because
we
start
looking
at
you
know,
the
primary
facade
isn't
the
only
thing
that
can
hold
up
the
status
of
the
building,
but
it's
really
the
entire
the
entirety,
because
we
get
close.
If
we
look
at
it
the
other
way
we
get
close
to
potentially
undermining
our
national
register
nomination.
By
doing
this
over
time,
and
just
looking
at
primary
facades
that
that
would
erode
our
integrity
and
that's
very
concerning
understood.
E
B
You
and
Carly
do
you
feel
that
the
doors
are
not
in
line
with
keeping
this
house
its
historic
status
alive?
Is
it
two
are
the
doors
that
are
being
presented
to
us
too
modernistic
too
much
glass.
D
So
I
think
we're
looking
at
a
lot
of
glass.
Part
of
it
is
when
you
look
at
houses.
When
we
look
at
houses
of
this
time
period
and
style,
we
do
see
a
lot
of
carved
wood
doors.
D
We
do
see
some
glass
doors,
but
the
proposal
we
have
in
front
of
us
is
a
standardized
door.
Through
that's
used
throughout
the
house
and
oftentimes,
we
will
see
unique.
D
We
we
might
have
a
more
standardized
carved
door.
Camino,
De,
Las
Animas
is
a
good
example
where
we
saw
that
pattern
throughout,
but
those
unique
in
particular
to
that
house.
It
was
a
few
hearings
ago,
but
we
do
often
see
unique
carved
doors
that
might
be
a
little
bit
more
in
this
1940s.
Turning
turn
of
the
sun,
you
know
a
mid-century
range,
and
that
said
this
wasn't
a
style
that
was
very
consistent
and
and
free
that
we
frequently
saw
back.
Then
that's
one
issue:
they
are
aluminum
clad.
D
They
seem
to
be
a
bit
of
an
outlier
throughout,
and
so
it
just
it
starts
to
change
the
whole.
The
appearance,
the
design,
the
the
the
that
era
of
the
building-
and
that's
that's,
what
we
had
the
primary
concern
on.
B
Well,
it's
your
position
that
these
proposed
doors
are,
would
negatively
impact
that.
D
B
Contributing
house
yes
ma'am
and
the
windows
are
not
part
of
the
exception,
so
you
most
of
the
windows
on
this
house
are
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
if
all
of
the
windows,
but
most
of
them
are
steel.
Casement
correct
that
is
correct.
Is
the
window
pattern
that
or
they're
replacing
the
windows
for?
Are
they
proposing
to
replace
the
windows?
Follow
the
window
pattern
of
the
existing
Windows,
not.
D
Exactly
not
in
all
cases,
so
in
some
cases
you'll
have
for
like
a
a
grid
of
four
column,
and
then
there
are
some
Replacements
I
suggest
some
proposals
here
for
three:
the
choice
of
the
window
is
I'll.
Let
the
applicant
go
through
why
they
chose
the
window,
but
these
are
mostly
on
non-primary
facades
that
we're
seeing
that
pattern
change
and
then
the
primary
facade
we're
seeing
that
that
maintained
and
I
can
pull
that
back
up.
D
For
the
most
part,
they
have
a
very
similar
appearance
on
the
non-primary
facades,
but
they
they
don't
maintain
perfectly
that
pattern.
D
Opening
sizes
are
not
opening
sizes
are
not
changing
in
the
primary
facade,
but
they
are
changing
on.
Let's
say
this:
North
facade
we're
looking
at
that
window
to
Door
change
there.
D
So
there
is
one
and
there
are,
as
you
move
around
to
the
portal
as
excuse
me
to
the
courtyard
and
those
are
changing
to
be
very
specific,
though
the
garage
element
we're
looking
at
that
one
window
changing
to
those
little
four
Windows,
specifically
there,
and
then
these
two
larger
Windows
here
on
the
top
left,
changing
to
a
door
and
changing
to
smaller
windows.
So
those
are
changing
again:
non-primary
facades.
There.
B
D
I
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
so
Carly
just
to
continue
on
these
lines.
Just
for
my
own
clarification,
it
seems
to
me
that
so
this
is
coming
before
us,
as
primarily
as
under
the
exception
criteria
and
not
exclusively,
but
primarily
so.
That
means
the
staff's
already
made
a
determination
that
the
exception
criteria
have
been
triggered
and
must
be
met
for
this
proposal
to
be
approved,
correct,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
there'd
be
three
possibilities
as
to
why
the
exception
criteria
would
be
required
here.
One
is
that
it
would.
I
The
proposed
changes
would
alter
the
status
that
you've
just
addressed
and
said.
That
is
one
of
the
reasons
the
other
would
be
on.
The
same
preservation
lines
would
be
removal
of
historic
materials
that
are
significant
to
the
structure.
Is
that
one
of
the
other
criteria
that
you
believe
has
been
triggered
here.
D
So
that
one
can't
really
wait
so
Windows
fall
under
that's
that
specific
area
of
windows,
but
when
we
look
at
the
removal
of
on
all
of
the
facades
this
many,
this
many
windows,
which
is
historic
material
while
legally
it
doesn't
fall
into
that
category.
It
is.
It
starts
to
it's
funny.
It's
like
once
you
go
into
one
exception.
If
you
really
push
hard
that
way,
you
kind
of
start
pushing
on
some
other
ones,
but
it's
logistically.
We
end
up
just
using
one
rather
than
having
the
applicant
go
through.
D
It's
just
choosing
the
most
appropriate
one.
Okay.
I
So
that
I
appreciate
that,
then
the
the
other
possible
reason
for
exceptions
being
required
here
that
I
think
are
implicated
by
your
staff
report
is
that
these
windows
and
doors
don't
meet
the
style
standards.
That's
correct
and
subsection
e
for
at
least
for
recent
style,
if
not
Old,
Santa
Fe
styles.
That
also
one
of
the
reasons.
D
It's
a
little
bit
of
both
because
it
has
it's
Adobe
and
that's
one
of
the
main
defining
features
of
the
Old
Santa
Fe
style
portion
of
the
code,
but
it
does
it's.
It's
building
periods
do
move
into
recent
Santa
Fe
Style.
D
That
said,
the
doors
don't
fall
into
either,
so
that
creates
just
a
problem,
for
you
know
us
trying
to
figure
out
what's
next
and
then
the
standardization,
while
the
windows
are
standardized,
I,
don't
think
they
were
in
this
house.
It
doesn't
we're
we're
not
seeing
that
at
least
so.
B
Q
Peter
Wilson
755
Dunlop
Street
Santa
Fe,
so
our
design
approach
on
this
remodels
was
trying
to
preserve
the
character
of
the
house
and
enhance
the
coherence,
the
design
details
existing
in
the
project.
Q
Windows,
the
double
garage
door
right
on
the
street
and
various
Pueblo
features
added
on
to
it.
There
we're
preserving
all
the
steel
windows,
the
front
door,
all
the
architectural
elements
and
on
the
primary
facade,
we're
just
proposing
to
change
this
1990s
wood
double
glazed
door,
and
if
you
look
at
the
light
pattern
in
that.
Q
Q
Door
number
11
with
its
really
vertical.
Excuse
me
vertical
division
of
its
lights
and
our
proposed
door
is
just
trying
to
be
more
in
harmony
with
this.
The
the
original
contemporary
windows
to
the
house
there
with
its
proportion
and
glazing
they're,
both
aluminum
metal
windows,
metal
on
the
outside
and
the
the.
Let
me
show
you
my
comparison.
Q
So
this
is
a
comparison
of
the
existing
steel
window
and
the
the
new
the
proposed
Colby
vistaluxe
casement
windows
and
they're,
both
outswing
casements
one
is
metal.
The
steel
window
is
metal.
The
the
metal
Extrusion
on
the
new
on
the
replacement
window
color
is
similar.
The
light
pattern
is
very
similar.
The
mullion
profile
is
7
8
inch,
potty
mullion
on
both
of
them,
which
is
very
nice
on
the
interior.
Q
It's
exactly
the
same
too,
and
the
casement
frame
on
the
steel
window
is
very
narrow,
inch
and
a
quarter
and
on
the
replacement
casement,
it's
barely
a
quarter
inch
larger
a
little
more
than
a
quarter
inch
larger.
So
when
you
look
at
the
image
of
that
window,
it
I
feel
like
it
really
matches
the
style
and
of
the
original,
the
original
Windows
of
the
project
and
the
style
of
that
that
era
of
1950s
that
it
was
built
in
and
then
when
we
look
at
the
Door
and
Window
schedule
here.
Q
So
this
has
all
of
our
original
windows
at
the
top
and
the
proposed
Windows
below
them,
and
we
can
go
through
this.
Where
we're
we
are
proposing
replacing
this
opening
with
the
door,
which
is
actually
slightly
smaller
than
the
existing
window,
there's
that
giant
storefront
window
which
we're
trying
to
bring
a
little
more
into
harmony
with
the
design
of
the
building,
and
then
these
are
the
existing
windows
with
the
steel
window
and
there's
a
really
common
three
pane
window
in
that
house.
Q
You
know
because
of
the
plan
changes.
Sometimes
we
have
to
put
a
small.
We
had
to
put
a
smaller
window
in
a
couple
of
spots,
but.
Q
We
had
some
glass
block
windows.
We
were
sort
of
reorganizing
the
openings
a
little
there
and
let's
see.
Q
Doors,
you
can
kind
of
see
the
different
styles.
That's
that
existing
front
door,
which
we're
keeping
we
have
half
light
door.
We
have
this
horizontal
panel
Dutch
door.
We
have
this
carved
door,
which
is
totally
different.
We
have
these
vertically
divided
light
doors,
there's
another
half
light
door
with
a
different
panel
design,
another
one
here,
and
so
we're
just
trying
to
trying
to
bring
all
that
into
a
little
Harmony
in
the
building.
M
Q
Q
We
went
into
this
trying
hard
to
submit
a
design
that
did
not
require
any
exceptions
and
we'd
met
with
staff
and
reviewed
it
with
them
to
try
to
meet
that
and
I
I
don't
know.
Thank
you
very
much.
K
Thank
you,
chair
Rios
members
of
the
board,
Joseph
Kearns,
with
Summer
Kearns
and
Associates
I'm,
going
to
address
the
exception
criteria
and
request
I
wanted
to
point
out
that
Mr
and
Mrs
Scott
the
owners
of
the
property
are
here
this
evening
and
Mr
Scott
is
prepared
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
As
Peter
noted.
The
objective
is
of
the
owners
is
a
substantial,
fairly
substantial
remodel
of
this
primarily
1950s
house.
K
The
contributing
house,
without
triggering
any
exceptions,
as
has
been
discussed,
staff
has
required
one
exception
with
respect
to
the
seven
non-historic
existing
doors,
none
of
which,
as
Peter
showed
match
one
another.
Those
seven
doors
as
he
described
to
you,
the
applicant's
primary
intend,
with
respect
to
the
exception
criteria,
is
to
achieve
a
consistent
door,
design
that
matches
as
Peter
showed
the
historic
window
style
and
provides
a
harmonious
appearance
consistent
with
the
post-world
War
II
style
of
this
building,
particularly
the
primary
East
facade,
as
you
know,
and
I
think,
has
been
discussed
a
little
bit.
K
It
states
in
the
staff
report
that
this
is
an
Old,
Santa,
Fe
style,
house
and
I
would
I
would
take
issue
with
that.
Based
on
the
following,
the
two-story
primary
East,
facade
and
rear
Casino
were
built
in
the
1950s
as
the
code
notes,
two-story
Old,
Santa
Fe
structures
are
very
rare.
K
These
portions
of
the
house,
particularly
on
the
East
facade
that
was
added
after
World,
War
II
and
the
Casita
in
the
back,
are
concrete
block.
They're,
not
Adobe.
K
The
15
original
steel,
casement
windows
or
windows
are
steel,
casement,
they're,
not
wood
windows
and
finally,
the
primary
East
facade
as
I
noted,
is
two
stories
and
it
has,
as
you
saw
two
large
garage
door,
openings
and
lot.
There
are
large
doors
on
both
the
ground
floor
and
the
Second
Story,
and
this
East
facade
presents
long
geometric
straight
lines,
none
of
which
are
indicative
of
Old
Santa
based
style.
K
The
hcpi
prepared
by
John
Murphy
recognizes
that
the
sole
primary
East
facade
retains
the
most
historic
integrity
and
the
most
architectural
interest
and,
as
Peter
explained,
the
existing
60
more
than
60
year
old
windows
are
proposed
to
be
retained
on
the
East
facade,
along
with
the
lower
door
in
an
effort
to
preserve
and
retain
the
historic
Integrity
of
this
facade.
Only
as
Peter
described,
the
non-historic
Second
Story
door
is
proposed
to
be
replaced.
K
One
of
the
primary
issues
as
we
see
it,
is
that
this
building
does
not
fall
easily
within
a
designated
style
and
I've.
Had
this
discussion
with
Carly
well,
the
upcoming
code
update
will
hopefully
address
post
World,
War,
II,
Styles
and
materials.
We
recognize
that
staff
is
compelled
to
apply.
The
code
is
written.
That
said,
as
a
board
member,
you
have
the
latitude
and
discretion
to
ensure
that
the
intent
of
the
historic
overlay
is
respected,
and
that
is
what
the
applicants
are
trying
to
do
here.
K
The
existing
seven
existing
doors
that
fall
within
the
exception
requirement
are
non-historic
and
each
one
is
different.
The
application
provides
uniformity
that
matches
the
historic
steel,
casement
window,
glazing
style
and
the
door
panels
will
be
visually
similar
to
the
existing
non-historic
wood
doors.
K
We
appreciate
the
support
from
The
Neighbors
on
lapena
and
ask
that
you
approve
the
application
and
exception
request,
will
stand
for
any
questions
and
just
to
wrap
up.
There
was
a
one
letter
of
support
submitted
by
Gene
Francis.
It
was
not
I
noticed
today.
It
did
not
make
it
into
the
packet
and
I
just
saw.
Why?
Because
there
was
a
typo
in
the
email
address
from
the
from
the
neighbor,
if
I
could
just
read
it
into
the
record
and
submit
it.
Please
do
that.
K
Gene
Francis
says
I'm
writing
in
support
of
the
application
for
remodeling
110
Kai
lapana,
we've
gotten
to
know
the
Scots,
since
they
purchased
the
property
and
they
have
shared
with
us
their
vision
for
their
Remodel
and
showed
us
their
plans.
We
live
immediately
to
the
south
of
the
property
at
116
Calle
lapana,
and
feel
that
what
they're
proposing
would
be
a
substantial
Improvement
to
what
is
there,
as
well
as
being
in
keeping
with
the
neighborhood.
The
Scots
are
nice
people
and
have
had
substantial
experience
with
this
type
of
remodel.
K
B
You
Mr
corns
board
members,
do
you
have
questions
for
either
Mr
Karns
or
Mr
Wilson
or
you
have
any
comments?
Member
Guida.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Maybe
just
first
a
comment
and
a
question
in
in
general,
I
think
I'm
going
to
agree
I'm
in
strong
agreement
with
the
applicant
on
on
the
overall
proposal.
E
What
I
see
in
this
application
is
something
that
we
often
ask
applicants
to
do,
particularly
when
it
comes
to
metal
windows,
to
pursue
something
that
is
in
line
or
appropriate
to
to
replacing
historic
metal
case,
but
Windows
I'm,
seeing
that
being
done
here.
In
fact,
it's
being
they're,
doing
a
more
conservative
approach
and
leaving
the
historic
metal
case
went
windows
on
the
primary
facade,
which
I
think
is
great
I
would
even
be
in
favor
of
replacing
those
with
with
the
product
that
they
found.
E
This
is
a
product
that
very
closely,
as
we
saw
in
the
side-by-side
comparison,
matches
the
profile
and
the
overall
intent
of
those
historical
metal
windows,
they're,
not
wood
windows.
That
just
happen
to
be
clad
on
the
outside
and
therefore
have
thicker
profiles
of
all
the
frames.
So
overall,
I
I
definitely
applaud
that
effort
in
this
project.
E
E
E
I,
don't
know
that
everything
has
to
be
all
new
and
all
matching
and
on
this
particular
house
and
I
would
suggest
in
reviewing
the
application
that
perhaps
some
of
the
carved
doors
do
not
need
to
be
changed
out
to
a
new
metal
profile
doors
and
with
that
I
have
a
question
for
Peter
or
two
questions:
hey
Peter.
E
So
if
and
and
I
find
I,
don't
know
if
you
have
it
in
your
slide,
presentation.
I
think
you
do
this
the
kind
of
side
by
side,
the
kind
of
existing
versus
new
you
know
of
the
windows.
E
E
Doors
with
the
new
ones
and
adopting
a
more
squarish
light
profile,
as
opposed
to
a
kind
of
very
tall
rectangle,
divided
light
purple
I
think
that's
appropriate
if
you
were
to
look
at
the
door
next
to
it.
Number
12
I
think
this
is
where
some
of
it
starts
to
fall
apart
for
me
and
and
I'm
wondering
you
know
in
in
that
case,
because
the
door
is
wider
and
it
the
the
light
profile
becomes
much
more
horizontal,
I
guess.
E
That's
something
I
I
would
you
know
I
would
suggest
as
a
as
a
possible
solution
for
the
board's
consideration
tonight.
You
know
I,
think
I
think
the
change
out
for
door
number
11
as
drawn
looks
great
wider
doors
like
this
one.
Next
to
it
perhaps
need
a
vertical
just
like
you've
done
on
the
door
to
the
left
and-
and
we
have
kind
of
squarish
light
profiles
there
I
think
I
think
that's
more
in
keeping
with
the
sense
of
of
of
what
was
there
before.
E
I
was
looking
at
the
Dutch
door,
which
was
on
a
kind
of
incidental
rear,
most
Edition
that
didn't
have
a
portal
over
it
and
I.
Imagine
there's
a
weather
issue.
You
know
to
me
changing
that
out
for
a
a
metal
door
with
the
addition
of
a
vertical
in
this
case,
I
think
would
be
appropriate.
That's
going
to
be
a.
M
E
Weather
tight
solution,
the
door
to
the
right
of
it
is
under
a
portal
I
think
it's
one
of
the
ones
that
we,
if,
if
that
door
is
in
decent
condition,
my
suggestion
would
be
to
keep
that
and
as
a
kind
of
compromise,
to
maintaining
historic
material
here.
Is
that
something
that
your
client
would
consider.
Q
U
Store
number
six:
we
can
certainly
add
that
I
would
what
I
would
like
to
give
you
an
idea
of
kind
of
how
we
looked
at
these
doors?
If
you,
if
you
look
at
the
picture
of
the
front
facade
of
the
building,
you'll,
see
that
the
windows,
for
example,
the
window
openings,
are
wider
than
they
are
high,
they're
they're,
actually
horizontally
oriented
openings
as
many
of
these
are
and
you'll
see,
the
lights
have
no
vertical
elements
to
it.
U
No
vertical
muttons
and
the
ratio
of
height
to
width
and
the
glazing
is
approximately
three
to
five
I
I.
Think
staffs
point
that
these
are
contemporary,
looking
Windows
is
is
is
correct,
because
what
we're?
What
we're
looking
at
on
this
building
are
really
sort
of
mid-century,
modern
and
contemporary
windows.
U
So
when
we
looked
at
this,
that
ratio,
both
in
the
openings
and
in
the
glazing
and
the
size
of
the
glazing
and
the
lack
of
vertical
elements,
the
only
vertical
elements
in
any
of
these
steel
case,
these
roll
form
seal
windows
are
the
frames
themselves
or
the
casement
themselves.
So
they
they're,
they
don't
have
the
vertical
button,
so
that
was
kind
of
integral
to
our
approach
to
this.
U
U
R
Q
Q
Door,
the
only
exception
to
keeping
the
existing
door
is
that
that
door
is
it's
either
six
foot,
two
or
six
foot,
four
High
I'm
I'm,
a
good
Carpenter,
may
be
able
to
add
to
it.
U
Okay,
apparently,
apparently,
we
can
save
that.
E
Door,
thank
you
and
then
I
get
my
last
question
feeder
and
Peter.
This
is
just
a
circumstance
of
the
case
now
having
come
before
the
board,
you
know
I
agree
on
the
and
and
really
appreciate
on
the
East
facade
the
removal
of
the
stair,
the
removal
of
the
cable
railing,
which
I
think
is
not
sympathetic
to
the
structure.
My
question
is
and
if
we
could
go
to
the
to
the
front
facade,
was
it
I'm
thinking
about
the
relationship
of
that
railing
to
your
balcony
railing
on
the
primary
facade?
E
Q
We
haven't
considered
raising
that,
but
I
don't
know
that,
there's
a
reason
why
we
haven't
we.
We
were
looking
at
the
at
the
metal
railing
as
a
as
an
opportunity
to
express
a
little
bit
of
design
and
pick
up
on
a
little
bit
of
the
50s
idea
of
the
building
and.
D
H
E
H
E
Believe
I
would
say
new
doors.
What.
M
E
B
B
O
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I.
Just
have
a
couple
quick,
maybe
more
technical
questions
before
I
I'll
I'll
give
my
general
comments
later,
but
if
you're
coming
in
from
the
street
and
you
walk
through
the
double
door
that
leads
into
the
courtyard,
there
are
two
carved
wooden
doors
on
either
side
on
the
other
side
of
the
entrance
and
I
didn't
see
them
included
in
this
packet
and
some.
My
question
is:
are
you
planning
on
replacing
those
as
well.
O
I
also
had
a
question
about
the
the
railing
which
I
agree
with
member
Guida,
that
the
ideal
solution
would
be
raising
the
parapet,
but
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
give
a
brief
verbal
description
of
the
design
as
submitted
today.
I
was
a
little
confused.
It
was
described
as
wrought
iron,
but
then
the
thought
that
has
a
Thunderbird
pattern,
which
seems
like
it
would
be
almost
like
a
laser-cut.
You
know
shade
of
Steel,
and
so
can
you
just
give
some
clarification
about
what
that
design
is?
That's.
Q
Not
in
this
drawing,
unfortunately,
it's
not
in
this
drawing,
unfortunately
the
well,
we
were
picking
up
on
the
Penasco
style
of
the
wood
railing
in
the
front
which
someone
had
applied
at
one
point
to
this
building,
but
we
were
doing
it
in
steel
in
a
more
contemporary
way
and
the
Thunderbird
is
just
it
seems
like
a
rich
symbol
that
was
celebrated
in
the
50s
at
the
time
of
this
building
and
it
yeah,
it
means
Prosperity,
I
believe
and
it's
a
nice.
Q
Well,
they
would
be
done
by
an
iron
worker,
but
I
believe
they
would
be
used.
They're
not
hammered
steel
or
anything
like
that.
They're
not
proposed
to
be
a
hammered
steel
or
anything
like
that.
It
would
just
be
still
shaves.
That's
informed.
O
And
then
the
last
thing,
not
a
question
just
to
point
out
to
fellow
board
members
I
think
the
color
swatches
of
the
trim
are
a
little
deceiving
in
the
application
we
got
when
I
looked
up.
The
existing
online
definitely
is
a
couple
Shades
lighter
and
it
matches
to
what
we
saw
on
the
site
visit
today.
So
I
guess
I
also
have
concern
about
all
of
the
new
proposed
trim
being
black
as
opposed
to
the
almost
darker
grayish
Brown.
That's
that's
currently
there,
but
that's
all
for
now.
O
Q
The
color
sample
we
provided,
we
took
from
from
a
standard
color
sample
match
and
we
matched
it
in
the
field
to
the
existing
color
on
the
windows.
I,
don't
know
if
digitally
it
changed
somehow,
but
yeah.
O
I
think
your
screen,
but
I
think
in
the
packet
we
got.
The
existing
color
looks
very
close
to
Black,
so
it
doesn't
look
like
there
would
be
much
of
a
shade
difference.
But
when
you
look,
maybe
if
you
just
look
on
Sherwin-Williams
or
out
in
the
site
visit
today,
the
existing
color
is
far
from
black.
So
I
think
you
would
really
see
that
discrepancy
between
the
two
colors.
B
B
Q
The
R
value
is
tremendously
better
than
the
steel
casement
windows.
You've
probably
heard
this
a
million
times,
but
the
steel
case
movement
is
well
they're.
60
years
old,
they
have
some
Rust
issues
hinge
issues,
many
of
them
don't
close
completely.
The
hardware
is
very
difficult
to
replace
it's
all
riveted
in
place.
The
windows
themselves
are
built
into
the
masonry
concrete
block
the,
but
they
you
know
the
content
is
tremendous
single
glaze
lots
of
tremendous
condensation
problems
in
the
winter
with
those
type
of
Windows.
The
new
windows
are
double
glazed.
R
B
P
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I,
have
some
comments
regarding
the
north
elevation.
If
we
could
bring
that
up,
that
would
be
helpful.
I.
P
P
P
And
then
also
on
that
facade,
I
think
the
the
addition
of
the
small
portal
really
breaks
up
what
what
was
previous,
what
is
existing
as
a
you
know,
an
addition
in
whole
and
I
wonder
if
you
considered
extending
that
portal
to
include
both
windows
so
that
there's
less
of
a
sort
of
break
in
that
facade.
Q
Let's
see
the
you
mean
the
portal
all
the
way
to
the
right
side
of
the
screen
and
the
one
in
the
center
there.
The.
Q
Q
Q
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
applicant
for
all
the
explanations
and
the
very
clear
presentation
in
the
application.
Just
coming
back
to
the
color.
You
know
I'm
also
sort
of
focused
on
the
doors
and
windows
which
is
where
the
discussion's
been
revolving,
and
you
know
two
things
that
it
seems
to
me.
You're
trying
to
accomplish
here,
as
you've
said,
is
one
uniformity
and
the
other
is
what
you're
calling
a
post-world
War
II
aesthetic
you
use
the
word
mid-century
modern
I,
don't
think
to
me.
It
doesn't
really
read
that
way.
I
In
either
case
it
reads
more
like
a
a
Santa
Fe
style
house,
remodeled
in
the
50s
intending
to
still
be
a
Santa
Fe
style
house
and
preserving
some
of
those
elements,
but
then
using
some
elements
that
would
make
sense
in
the
50s,
but
not
really
mid-century.
Modern.
I
To
me,
the
changes
in
the
wind,
the
new
windows
and
doors
and
the
and
the
effort
to
find
uniformity
and
the
horizontality
and
the
color
all
speak
of
2020.
To
me.
They
really
look
like
what's
trendy
right
now
and
you
would
find
that
in
all
sorts
of
new
buildings,
all
over
Santa
Fe
county
and
the
outskirts
of
Santa
Fe
outside
the
historic
district.
So
that's
the
problem.
I
I
have
with
the
windows
and
doors
I
do
think
that
breaking
up
keeping
some
of
the
doors,
wood
breaking
up
the
horizontality
that
you're
trying
to
emphasize
by
in
some
cases,
using
the
verticals
to
break
that
up,
because
the
it's
true
that
the
ratio
does
appear
to
be
slightly
horizontal
in
some
of
the
existing
windows,
but
because
there
are
three
across
or
four
across,
and
there
are
verticals,
it's
not
so
apparent.
But
what
you've
done
is
make
it
extremely
apparent
with
single
pane
verticals
in
openings.
I
I
Q
The
as
I
said
we
took
the
the
sample
of
Cholera
from
Sherwin-Williams
and
held
it
against
the
window.
I
don't
know
if
scanning
or
on
the
screen.
It
reads
differently,
but
in
the
field
it
read
just
right.
There
I
think
there
are
a
couple
of
different
colors
on
those
windows.
If
you
look
at
all
the
different
facades-
and
maybe
we
went
with
the
darker
of
the
two.
I
It
does
I
mean
there
were
some
gray,
certainly
and
some
darker
Grays
I
did
note
that.
But
really,
if
you
you
know
the
Marvin
ebony,
for
example,
not
just
on
your
Swatch,
but
just
because
we
know
what
that
color
is.
That's.
Definitely
black
black.
I
G
F
Thanks
I
just
wanted
to
add
a
couple
of
comments
about
the
style
I
think
here
in
this
house.
I
see
you
know
an
expression
of
the
international
style,
which
is
what
mid-century
modern
is
based
on,
and
the
the
thing
about
the
international
style
is
that
it
supersedes
time
I.
Think
we
see
a
lot
of
parallels
between
the
continuities
of
you
know
contemporary
architecture
with
the
international
style
which
emerge
in
the
1930s
and
was
later
interpreted
by
Architects.
F
You
know
post-world
War,
II
and
made
and
conceived
into
the
mid-century
modern
architecture
which
we
rarely
you
know
see
overt
expressions
of
in
Santa
Fe,
but
we
do
see
regionally
inspired
interpretations,
so
I
think
in
this
case
it's
not
really
fair
to
characterize
it.
As
you
know,
a
mid-century
modern
style.
Rather
it
is
more
reflective
of
you
know,
20th
century
modernism,
and
that
is
best
expressed
through
the
midst
or
through
the
international
style,
which
is
you
know
characterized
by
larger
sort
of
massing.
F
Multiple
stories
breaks
in
horizontal
lines
and
I
see
a
lot
of
those
characteristics
in
this
house.
So
for
me,
I,
don't
know
that
it's
fair
to
you
know.
Stick
it
into
a
box
of
a
style
that
it
doesn't
necessarily
embody
so
I.
Think
for
me,
I,
actually,
you
know
I
think
it's
going
to
be
really
difficult
to.
You
know
come
to
a
consensus
on
the
board,
I,
actually
really
like
what
you've
done
in
terms
of
the
changes
and
I
think
member
Guida.
F
You
know,
as
proposed
some
very
powerful
compromises
that
really
you
know
thankful
that
you
all
have
agreed
to
I
I
think
in
the
the
north
elevation
it
sort
of
does
a
disservice
to
the
original
intent
of
that
again
that
that
sort
of
more
modernist
style.
When
you
add
the
more
you
know,
clunky
portals,
you
know
it,
it
kind
of
takes
it
away
from
the
modernist.
You
know
aesthetic
for
me,
but
I
can
understand
the
you
know
the
wants
for
those
and
I.
F
Don't
know
that
they're
a
huge
deal
breaker
in
my
opinion,
because
you
still
have
you
know
the
the
main
picture
window
on
that
elevation,
and
you
still
have
your
you
know
nice
long,
horizontal
line
with
you
know
the
vertical
offset.
So
you
know
I,
actually,
I'm,
really
appreciative.
I
think
this
has
been.
F
You
know
sort
of
a
helpful
packet
in
terms
of
seeing
the
side-by-side
comparisons
of
the
you
know,
older
doors
and
windows
with
the
newer
ones.
So
you
can
see
there's
a
lot
of
attention.
That's
been
put
into
this,
so
I
think
those
are
all
my
comments.
O
So
I
tend
to
I'm
in
agreement
with
staff,
I
think
when
staff
you
know
raises
the
concern
to
us
that
they,
you
know
that
they
think
if
we
approve
all
these
changes,
that
the
building
is
at
risk
for
losing
its
status.
I
think
that's
something
we
really
need
to
listen
to
and
I
would
rely
on
their
expertise
in
that.
In
that
case,
and
so
I
think
that's
a
big
statement
to
make
that
if
we
approve
this,
they
think
there's
a
good
chance.
O
This
building
is
going
to
lose
its
status,
in
particular
I
I,
don't
think
anyone's
talked
about
the
the
west
elevation,
yet
that
one
was
the
one
that
kind
of
stuck
out
to
me.
In
particular,
this
series
of
upper
level,
Square
Windows,
struck
me
as
a
little
odd
and
then
also
changing
the
more
there's
two
existing
horizontal
Windows.
O
One
of
those
is
getting
changed
to
a
French
door
and
then
the
other
one
has
been
divided
into
two
more
vertical
windows,
but
I
I
would
be
in
agreement
with
staff
that
I
think
the
changes
to
this
building
are
substantial
enough,
that
I'm
concerned
about
its
status
and
that
the
uniformity
of
it
is
going
to
take
away
from
that.
B
It
appears
not
yes,
I
think
someone
is
wanting
to
speak
from
the
public.
Yes,.
L
M
L
To
even
1950,
and
especially
in
terms
of
the
door-
and
it
does
take
on
too
much
of
a
horizontal
look-
that
changes
I
think.
L
And
I
I
think
keeping
one
door
is
really
insufficient.
L
Part
of
adding
on
and
vernacular
is
that
things
are
not
uniform
and
that
they
vary
either
over
time
or
because
of
changes
to
owners
and
so
to
make
it
All,
Uniform
I,
think
takes
away
from
its
historic
character
and
I
am
concerned.
I
I
might
not
understand
all
of
the
draw
of
the
of
the
drawings
and
I'm
sorry,
but
I
can't
it's
hard
to
see
what
you're
doing
and
also
be
looking
at
the
at
the
packet
at
the
same
time.
L
B
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Just
one
follow-up
comment.
Like
I
said,
I'd
like
to
come
back
with
to
the
point
that
Carly
raised
with
this
case,
Carly
is
concerned
that
certain
changes
should
they
be
allowed
would
endanger
the
status
of
this
house.
E
D
Okay,
thank
you
Madam
chair
member
Guida.
Well,
we
have
a
couple
different.
We
have
a
few
different
I'm
going
to
pull
up
and
refer
to
the
hcpi,
while
I'm
sitting
here,
because
I
think
it's
nice
to
have
that
on
hand.
D
As
I
speak
about
this,
it
is
partially
Adobe.
It
does
combine
some
Styles.
We
are
looking
at
a
pre-1948
development,
free
1958
development,
it
it
has
some
it's
Santa,
Fe
style,
or
at
least
the
reading
of
our
code
and
the
code
application
to
it.
That
very
much
is
because
we
have.
We
have
both
Adobe
ncme
blocking
them.
D
We
do
have
original
windows
minus
window
queue,
which
is
the
large
kind
of
character
window.
Although
we
don't
have
historic
evidence
of
what's
what
was
there
and
what
was
in
some
of
the
places
of
the
non-historic
doors
we
we
also
have
the
character
of
the
vigas,
the
Pena
the
pinasco
were
detailing.
D
It's
we
do
have
some.
We
have
the
stuffed
massing
of
the
building.
D
D
D
It
doesn't
and
I
think
in
in
that
mode
I
mean
we
have
won
the
footprint,
which
is
very
much
it's
an
interior
Courtyard,
that's
very
much
Santa
Fe
Style
yeah.
They
expose
because
it's
a
lot
of
different
elements.
That's
why
I
think
it
was
very
difficult
to
have
the
facade
designation
case
on
this,
because
there
have
been
changes
over
time.
But
you
know
buildings
will
change
some.
D
That
said,
there's
there
is
quite
a
bit
here
throughout
this
building
and
additions.
You
know
our
code
wants
to
make
sure
additions
can
be
removed
if
possible,
that
when
historic
doors
have
been
removed
that
we're,
how
are
we
are
replacing
them
with
something
that
we've
got
some
sort
of
historic
evidence
that
was
there?
D
That's,
that
is
the
intent
and
that's
the
effort
of
that's.
You
know
what
our
code
says
about.
You
know
when
we
replace
historic,
material
and
I
think
there
was
probably
that
effort
in
the
past,
based
on
some
of
these
doors,
because
they
look
like
Replacements
of
what
was
originally
there
for
some
of
the
replace
doors.
D
That
said,
you
know
when
we
pull
it
away
and
start
pulling
it
out
into
a
different
style.
It
is
very
concerning
for
status,
because
it's
the
style,
it's
the
stepping
it's
the
chain.
It's
a
lot
of
it
and
I
do
want
to
answer,
provide
one
more
clarification,
because
I
misspoke,
while
raising
the
parapet
on
that
facade,
would
not
require
a
height
exception.
It
would
require
primary
facade
addition
to
primary
facility
exception.
You
just
want
to
make
that
clarification,
because
thank.
E
E
E
E
You
know,
and
I
and
I
I
strongly
feel
like
Old
Santa,
Fe
style,
recent
Santa
Fe
style,
because
those
are
made
up
things
in
our
code
do
not
provide
the
adequate
guidance
on
on
recognizing
the
contributing
status
of
this
house
that
contributes
to
the
district,
which
is
the
primary
reason
for
this
board.
The
historic
districts
it
it
it
it
is
is
contributing
because
of
these
qualities.
That
Carly
was
explaining
the
footprint
of
the
house,
the
accretion
over
time.
E
The
contributing
elements
all
taken
in
one
and
I
do
think
that
overall,
some
of
the
impulse
of
the
current
proposal
is
to
homogenize
the
house
and
and
I
think
board.
Members
here
tonight
have
correctly
identified
that
as
problematic.
E
So
I
guess.
All
of
that
is
to
say
that
you
know
I
I
generally
approve
of
the
project,
but
with
with
the
idea
that
that
adjustments
be
made
in
terms
of
the
scope
and
in
some
of
the
detailing
to
better
reflect
the
board's
position
on
why
this
house
is
contributing,
which
might
be
somewhat
subjective
and
not
strictly
in
the
code.
I
feel
like
if
we
apply
the
code
and
apply
the
typical
windows
that
we
see
in
this
District.
E
B
Thank
you
for
your
in-depth
comments,
member
Guida
and
member
benvenue.
You
have
something
to.
I
Do
yeah?
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I'm,
a
complete
agreement
with
member
Guido
on
those
points,
so
I
do
believe.
The
reason
is
contributing
is
because,
precisely
because
of
its
eclectic
nature
over
time,
that's
that's
what
we
considered
last
time.
That's
what
the
Hickory
report
indicates.
That's
what
staff
reports
and
staff's
Report
indicated
and
I
think
we
all
agreed
with
that
so
we're.
I
So
it
is
the
uniformity,
that's
one
of
the
major
problems,
but
all
that
said
it
just
seems
to
me
that
we
have
an
applicant
who's,
very
thoughtful,
wants
to
make
a
beautiful
house
out
of
a
beautiful
house
and
updated
a
very
good
architect,
designer
contractor,
who
has
put
together
a
very
impressive
package.
It's
a
beautiful
building
that
you've
designed,
but,
as
you've
heard,
we
think
it
would
impact
the
contributing
status.
I
would
like
to
see
this
matter
postponed
and
have
a
redesigned
submitted
to
us
if
you're
so
willing,
you
can
always.
I
You
always
have
the
option
to
come
back
and
submit
the
exact
same
design
and
just
get
a
ruling,
but
I
do
think
that
you've
heard
from
the
board
you've
heard
from
staff
I'm
very
confident
in
the
the
group.
That's
working
on
the
application
that
all
these
concerns
could
be
addressed
in
a
way
that
would
meet
the
board's
approval
and
that's
what
I
would
suggest
remember.
B
B
Obviously
we
want
to
work
with
you
as
we
would
want
to
work
with
any
other
applicant
that
is
before
the
board
and
have
your
project
be
successful,
something
that
you
will
be
happy
with
and
something
that
will
fall
under
the
ordinance
guidance
and
to
try
to
keep
this
building
as
not
try
to
keep
it
to
keep
it
as
contributing
and
I
heard
many
or
differing
opinions.
B
B
U
30
years
ago
my
wife
and
I
lived
just
around
the
corner
to
Two
Doors
away
from
this
house,
and
and
we
lived
there
for
a
number
of
years
raised
our
family
there
and
we've
walked
past
this
building
over
those
years
many
many
times
and
we
were
always
struck
by
its
different
character
and
identity,
as
this
not
mid-century
modern
style,
but
but
reflecting
that
era
in
which
it
was
built.
U
So
when
we,
when
we
had
to
the
opportunity
to
to
purchase
this
house-
and
we
looked
at
this
project,
we
wanted
to
more
than
anything,
retain
that
identity
for
the
house
and
not
lose
that
and
I
recognize
that
doesn't
qualify
as
Old
Santa,
Fe
style
or
new
Santa
Fe
Style.
U
But
it
is
very
much
a
reflection
of
that
time
with
a
two-car
garage
during
a
50s
or
60s,
a
very
auto-centric.
You
know
period
in
our
history
the
perfectly
flat
facade
with
the
garage
in
the
same
plane
as
the
is
the
face
of
the
house,
the
CMU
block
construction,
the
the
steel
frame,
roll
form
steel
Windows
throughout,
which
is
why,
when
we
looked
at
this,
we
said
the
first
thing
was
we
we
didn't
want
to
change
anything
on
the
primary
facade.
U
We
want
it
remaining
exactly
as
it
is
The
Only,
Exception,
being
the
two
non-historic
doors
that
somebody
swapped
out
sometime
in
the
90s.
We
didn't
want
to
change
any
part
of
the
exterior
wall,
so
we
wanted
to
keep
the
exact
same
footprint,
no
additions,
no
changes
to
that.
U
They,
you
know
they're,
not
very
efficient,
they
don't
work
very
well,
but
we
have
an
appreciation
for
that,
which
is
why
we
looked
at
it
and
said
we're
going
to
figure
out
a
way
to
retain
these
six
Windows
on
this
primary
facade
and
leave
it
unchanged
on
the
other
windows.
I
realize
there's
a
sense
that
there's
some
uniformity
to
that.
But
I
would
like
to
point
out
that
there's
no
more
or
less
in
uniformity
than
there
is
today
at
this
moment,
all
of
these
steel.
U
U
I
do
understand
that
concern.
I!
Think
there
are
doors
that
we
can
change
to
modify
to,
try
and
address
some
of
that.
But
I
would
just
point
out
that,
if
we're,
if
we're
going
to
try
and
keep
this
sort
of
con,
this
style
of
window
and
these
proportions
of
glazing
of
mountains,
of
dimensions
in
these
windows,
to
sort
of
retain
this
identity
and
again
we
put
a
very
high
value
on
this
sense
of
retaining
a
sense
of
time
and
place,
not
creating
a
false
sense
of
History.
U
The
things
I
think
that
are
sort
of
the
Bedrock
of
the
of
the
statute
that
we
really
I
I
think
we're
kind
of
hard-pressed
to
not
work
with
a
window
that
is
harmonious
with
the
steel
windows
that
we're
taking
out
and
I.
Think
that's
I
have
to
say
we're
really
we've.
We
started
this
process
in
January.
We
worked
extensively
with
Angela
before
then
working
with
Carly.
We.
We
want
this
to
be
really
done
right.
U
It's
important
to
us
that
it
be
done
right
that
that
the
changes
are
keep
the
character,
keep
the
identity,
but
we're
hard-pressed
really
to
not
stay
with
a
window.
That's
sympathetic
to
and
in
harmony
with
this,
the
identity
that
the
building
has
we
we
say
when
we
can't
put,
we
can't
make
it
look
like
an
1800s
building
or
a
1930s
Bible
Revival.
U
It
is
this
1950s
CMU
block,
and
although
there
is
some
Adobe
there
from
the
original
building,
the
old,
the
overwhelming
majority
of
the
building
is
built
with
CMU
block
and
I
think
it's.
Our
goal
is
to
not
lose
that
identity
and
I
think
that's
kind
of
what
our
has
driven
all
of
our
decisions
and
trying
to
work
on
this.
So
thank.
B
You
thank
you
Scott,
for
your
comments.
I
always
think
that
it's
very
important
that
the
homeowners
come
with
their
Architects
or
their
attorneys
or
whomever
is
going
to
be
representing
them,
because
they
are
the
people
that
are
going
to
be
living
in
that
home
and
they
are
the
people
that
are
that.
That
are
the
ones
that
are
the
most
involved.
M
T
Q
So
I
mean
you
can
see,
our
primary
facade
are
really
visible.
Streets,
facade
is
two-story,
concrete
block
and
the
you
know
the
Contemporary
Windows,
the
the
steel
contemporary
windows,
but
then
there's
a
an
applied
variety
of
Pueblo
details
on
there,
but
none
of
those
Polo
details
reflect
any
historic
significance
in
this
project.
They're,
essentially
Disney
applied
that
this
wasn't
someone
building
adobe's
in
their
backyard
and
Hauling
Vegas
from
the
mountain
and
creating
a
what
I
would
consider
a
historic
Adobe
property
I.
Q
Just
wonder
when
you
what
you,
when
you're
praising
the
Integrity
of
the
design
of
this
building
or
the
character
of
it
I
see
so
many
discrepancies
in
the
influence.
Is
there
I,
just
I,
just
wonder
what
what
you're
holding
up
this?
This
sort
of
Disney,
like
application
of
Pueblo,
features
to
this
concrete
block
building?
What
is
what's
the
character
that
is
creating
such
an
important
building
here
to
you.
E
Madam
chair,
if
I
may
Peter,
that's
an
argument
for
another
day,
I
mean
that's
a
much
deeper
critique
of
this
entire
thing.
We're
carrying
on
here.
Thank
you
for
letting
us
I
I
hear
you
I
get
it,
but
I
think
you
know
and
and
Madam
chair.
E
If
it's
okay
with
you
and
the
board
I'd
I'd
be
willing
to
make
a
motion
for
postponement
with
recommendations
at
this
time,
in
this
case
to
this
case,
20
22,
zero,
zero,
five,
four
seven
one
hdrb
110,
Kaila,
Penna
I,
move
that
the
board
postpone
this
case
to
date,
certain
for
and
allow
the
applicant
to
revise
the
design
per
the
board's
recommendations
tonight.
E
Overall,
the
understanding
of
the
board
is
that
this
project
or
the
this
the
existing
house
is
contributing
because
of
some
of
its
more
eclectic
features
that
it
is
a
Spanish
Pueblo,
Revival
house
with
1950s
would
case
sorry,
1950s
metal,
casement
windows
and
there
is
a
mix
of
building
volumes
and
accretions
onto
the
onto
the
onto
the
building
that
have
occurred
over
time.
That's
been
documented
in
in
board
discussion
and
in
the
Higby.
E
The
main
recommendations
are
for
the
applicant
to
address
the
board's
desire
to
see
to
retain
a
greater
degree
of
The
Eclectic
in
the
current
design,
most
notably
with
regard
to
the
doors
and
door,
the
proposed
doors
and
door
Replacements
in
as
much
as
is
possible.
The
applicant
should
retain
existing
wood
carved
doors
where
possible,
at
least
that
should
include
door
number.
E
Product
that
is
recommended
for
replacement
generally
speaking,
the
middle
casement
window
is,
is,
is
favorable
we'd
love
to
see
a
different
handle
set
than
what's
shown
on
the
product
cut
sheet
and
in
cases
where
the
light
pattern
becomes
very
horizontal,
the
applicant
should
Endeavor
to
add
a
vertical
division
in
the
light
pattern
that
applies
to
most
stores,
with
the
exception
of
what
is
currently
proposed
on
the
primary
facade.
E
Lastly,
I
would
say
that
remember
Beachside
pointed
out
that
the
Studio
window,
the
large
studio
window
in
the
East
facade,
is
a
significant
character,
defining
aspect
of
the
house.
It
should
be
in
in
the
spirit
of
eclectic
and
maintaining
those
eclectic
elements
in
the
house.
E
It
should
either
be
retained
or
if
it
is
to
be
replaced,
it's
a
light
pad
existing
light
pattern
should
be
reproduced
and
then
lastly,
I
think
the
recommendation
was
that
in
lieu
of
the
proposed
wrought
iron
guard
rail
on
top
of
the
garage
that
the
applicant
investigates,
raising
the
stucco
parapet
and
not
having
a
railing
at
all
in
that
application
and
pursuing
the
the
the
ex
pursuing
the
exception
on
that
issue.
E
E
Generally
speaking,
what
is
shown
is
in
our
packet.
Correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
is
to
is,
is
darker
than
what
appeared
on
the
existing
house,
and
we
should
see
actual
color
samples
in
a
lighter
tone
that
more
accurately
reflects
the
existing
conditions.
O
Aguilar
Medrano
with
second,
if
I
may,
add
a
couple
friendly
amendments
in
your
next
application.
If
you
can
State
whether
the
two
doors
inside
of
the
front
entrance
are
proposed
to
be
kept
or
to
be
replaced,
and
then
I
would
also
add
that
you
change
the
color
of
the
proposed
wood
trim
on
the
non-primary
facades
to
match
the
existing
in
Iron
ore,
that's
proposed
on
the
primary
facade
and
then
member
Guida
I
think
you
you
may
have
covered
this,
but
to
keep
existing
door
number
six
correct.
Okay,
that
was.
E
B
Oh
board,
members,
any
other
board
members
wishing
to
add
anything
else
to
this
motion.
It
appears
not
you
so
we'll
take
a
roll
call
vote.
C
B
Thank
you
a
date
certain
was
not
stated
and
I
don't
know
the
if
the
applicant
will
be
able
to
submit
by
the
next.
B
D
Madam
chair,
the
next
hearing
is
November
8th,
but
that
is
a
pretty
quick
turnaround
to
get
the
staff
report
and
all
the
materials
updated
and
the
packet
ready
to
go
it
I
can
either
be
November,
8th
or
the
November
22nd
on
the
22nd.
M
B
Thank
you
so.
B
U
O
Yes,
let
me
oh
I,
already
closed
the
packet
in
the
packet.
It
said
that,
on
the
primary
saw
that
you
were
going
to
keep
the
existing
the
existing
wood
from
color,
which
was
iron
ore,
but
that
on
all
other
facades
you
wanted
to
change
it
and
I
don't
have
the
color,
but
you
were
changing
it
to
a
different
color
which
read
more
of
a
true
black.
So
my
friend
Lee
amendment
was
maintaining
that
iron
ore
on
the
wood
trim
throughout
and.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
but
just
for
my
own
purposes
and
perhaps
for
the
applicants.
My
understanding
of
the
motion
and
all
motions
of
this
type
is
that
these
are
all
these
aren't
true
conditions
of
approval.
These
are
suggestions
for
you
to
take
into
account
and
we
hope
you
do
but
you're
free
to
disregard
them.
B
Thank
you
for
that
clarification,
I
appreciate
it,
so
we
are
done
with
that
case
good
evening
and
good
luck
and
we'll
go
to
the
last
case
this
evening,
which
is
located
at
6.
M
D
B
Mr
Wilson:
did
you
hear
that
okay
and
you
can
always
check
with
staff
to
see
to
clarify
anything?
Thank
you.
D
D
D
Here
are
some
photographs
from
the
1996
hick
P,
there's
a
little
bit
more
descriptive
information
on
these
hick
piece,
so
the
subject
of
the
case
tonight
so
is,
is
a
red
tag,
a
stop
work
order
and
what
caught
the
attention
here
was
just
that
there
was
a
re-stucco
in
process,
and
so
this
sits
this
building
set
the
fir.
The
northernmost
building
sets
just
off
of
Agua
Fria,
which
is
right
here,
as
you
can
see,
and
so
it's
mostly
rectangular
shaped
building
with
a
little
protrusion
in
the
front
here.
D
D
Some
from
the
Google
Earth
imagery
that
show
the
historic
windows,
the
historic
windows
are
two
over
ones:
there's
a
storm
window.
What
appears
to
be
a
Stormwind
over
one
of
them
on
the
North
elevation
there
and
some
not
what
appear
to
be
non-historic
doors,
particularly
the
one
in
the
middle
of
that
top
image,
and
then
the
one
on
the
right
side
look
appears
to
be
a
replacement,
but
you
can
see
some
really
deep
insets
for
the
doors,
the
windows,
the
the
set.
D
The
frames
of
them
are
still
intact
and
there,
but
have
been
repainted.
But
then
you
can
see
the
they've
been.
The
windows
themselves
have
been
replaced
and
that's
one
of
the
primary
issues
of
this
case
tonight.
D
We're
looking
at
what's
there
now
in
the
top
image
and
what's
what
was
there
before
and
so
same
treatment
has
happened
to
the
back
building.
Now
this
this
building
is
a
contributing
building.
There
are
no
primary
facades
that
have
been
designated
it.
It
is
associated
to
the
El
Camino
Real.
It
was
built
right
around
or
prior
to
19,
sorry
1868
and
then
had
some
changes
over
time
up
to
1930.
D
It
was
a
farm
and
it
was
an
ER,
it's
a
very
early
and
one
of
the
most
simple
examples
that
we
have
of
a
territorial
style.
At
least
that's
the
way
it
is
described
in
our
hcpi
and
some
of
the
other
Associated
historical,
historic
documentation
that
we
have
on
it.
Okay,
there's
some
of
the
other
photographs,
so
The
Replacements.
D
So
the
proposal
is
for
a
synthetic
stucco
which
we
do
not
recommend
on
the
contributing
buildings,
and
this
is
an
adobe
building,
part
of
and
I
think
we've
as
we've
gone
over
our
stucco
guidelines.
Our
draft
guidelines,
part
of
the
reasoning
for
that
is
the
texture,
the
wear
pattern
over
time
and
the
way
the
the
appearance
that
it
can
have
on
a
contributing
building.
D
Let's
see
the
other
portion
of
this
project
is,
of
course,
the
window,
the
window
replacement,
which
has
already
been
done.
This
is
what
we're
looking
at.
So
we've
got
muttons
behind
the
glass,
the
windows
that
are
not
of
the
same
material
glazing
pattern.
D
We
don't
see
divided
lights
in
this,
and
so
this
is
this
is
where
the
exception
criteria
are
being
answered.
D
D
D
Typically,
the
process
either
can
be.
We
look
towards
a
status
downgrade
and
then
requests
that
the
applicant
move
forward
to
restore
restore,
what's
what's
been
removed
and
then,
when
we
go
that
would
go
towards
right,
Reese,
giving
it
restoring
its
status
rather
sorry
find
the
words.
D
If
you
decide
to
go
with
staff's
recommendation
and
postpone
and
move
towards
postponed
for
a
new
proposal
or
go
towards
a
status
downgrade
and
requirement
for
restoration.
That
is
in
staff's
view.
How
we
recommend
proceeding
that
said.
I
will
turn
it
over
to
the
applicant
and
they
can
describe
or
talk
through
the
exceptions
potentially.
B
Carly
before
you
leave
the
podium,
we're
looking
at
two
buildings
and
have
primary
these,
both
of
these
buildings
are
contributing.
Have
primary
facades
been
designated
in
no.
D
No
primary
facades
have
been
designated
and
generally
these
buildings
have
had
very
little
change,
although
we
have
seen
changes
to
the
doors.
What
just
what
we
can
see
on
the
Google
Earth
imagery
that
other
than
that
the
windows
appear
to
be
of
to
appear
to
have
been
historic
and
potentially
Originals
to
sometime
in
that
historic
period
before
1930.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
so
Carly
your
your
recommendation
is
not
to
approve
the
the
applicant's
submittal,
but
I
was
unclear
whether
you
were
recommending
downgrading
of
status
or
or
reversing
of
the
changes
that
were
made
without
the
permit.
D
E
D
That
would
be
a
two-step
process
due
to
the
fact
that
we'd
have
to
notice
for
a
downgrade
and
then
notify,
and
that
requires
a
different
level
of
notification
that
mailers
to
neighborhood
the
neighborhood
within
a
certain
radius
go
through
that
process
and
then
another
hearing
for
the
or
I
guess
suppose
it
could
be.
On
the
same
hearing
with
the
proposed
changes
for
restoration,
okay,.
E
D
B
Would
say
you
are
talking
about
if,
when
you
talk
about
denial,
that
means
that
the
applicant
can
go
before
the
city
council
and
ask
for
an
appeal.
Go
through
the
appeals
process,
understood.
I
You,
madam
chair,
so,
is
how
about
a
Third
Avenue,
similar
to
what
we
just
did,
which
would
be
to
postpone
or
primary
facade
designation,
have
the
applicant
return
and
hear
both
the
primary
facade
designation
at
the
same
time
as
we
hear
a
requests
for
exceptions,
because
presumably
one
of
these
windows
has
to
fall
in
a
primary
facade
and
in
the
event
that
the
exceptions
are
denied,
the
question
would
be:
does
the
board
have
authority
at
that
point
or
what
would
who
would
have
authority
to
require
restoration
of
the
material
in
kind.
R
If
I
can
respond,
I
I
may
have
to
it
may
take
me
a
moment
to
find
that
section,
but
I
believe
it
is.
The
board
denies
the
historic
preservation.
Division
can
require
restoration.
I
Well,
I,
you
know
I,
remember,
reading
that
section
too
previously,
and
it
wasn't
clear
to
me
that
the
board
itself
has
police
power
to
be
sending
those
Sheriff
out
to
require
something
so
I'm,
just
not
sure
how
that
would
work,
but
regardless
it
just
seems
to
me.
Of
course
we
have
to
hear
from
the
applicant
that
perhaps
one
approach
here
to
try
to
get
to
the
place
where
we
could
all
agree
with
would
be
to
postpone
for
primary
facade.
I
Designation,
have
a
discussion
about
the
fact
that
staff
is
already
recommended
that
exceptions
are
not
appropriately
found,
in
this
case
at
least
just
the
primary
facades,
and
with
that
information
the
applicant
would
then
have
time
to
be
anticipating
that
outcome
and
could
be
securing
in-kind
materials
so
that
they
don't
lose
too
much
time
before
they
can
get
back
into
business.
G
Yeah
I
wanted
to
raise
that
as
well,
because
that
case
we
just
heard
on
Palace
Avenue.
We
did
not
even
begin
to
discuss
because
it
came
to
light
that
there
was
no
primary
elevation
designation,
and
so
it
was
postponed
to
a
next
meeting.
So
I
wondered
if
that
might
be
a
case
and
I.
Also,
just
if
I
can
ask
another
question
or
point
something
out
that
I
was
reading
in
the
building
inventory
comments
from
the
90s
and
the
80s,
which
both
stated
that
the
windows
had
been
apparently
replaced.
M
D
Carly,
oh
thank
you,
madam
chair
member
Berkeley,
so
we
do
have
two
hcpis
in
there
and
then
I
think.
The
issue
is
with
the
windows
at
this
point
is
which
ones
are
actually
because
it's
it's
highly
likely
that
some
on
the
back
were
replaced,
but
the
ability
to
assess
that
at
this
point
is
going
to
be
really
difficult
and
the
ability
to
write
an
hcpi
which
is
usually
required
with
our
status
review.
D
I
think
it
still
can
be
done,
but
they're
going
to
have
a
difficult
time
looking
at
the
actual
building
and
assessing
which
pieces
were
historic,
which
were
pieces
which
pieces
were
really
historic
and
which
were
had
had
some
Replacements
done
to
them.
So
I'll
leave
the
board
with
that
thought.
B
E
E
If
this
board
were
to
deny
this
tonight
and
the
division
were
to
require
restoration,
is
this
discussion
of
primary
facades
even
I
mean?
Does
the
does
the
essence
of
the
project
go
away
and
is
replacement
of
Windows
and
stucco
in
kind
for
contributing
Building
without
facades
designated
something
that
staff
can
approve
administratively.
D
An
hcpi
and-
and
there
are
bound
to
be
some
historic
photographs
that
would
at
least
show
us
what
those
historic,
even
if
they're
replaced
some
of
them,
are
Replacements.
What
those
historical
placements
would
actually
look
like
and
that
research
may
lead
us
to
giving
us
the
restoration
of
a
building
that
has
significance
to
our
and
I
won't
use
the
definition
of
definite
significant
building,
because
it's
contributing.
M
D
But
it
would
lead
us
to
bringing
a
building
back
to
what
it
was
and
and
a
pretty
you
know
in
my
mind,
a
pretty
significant
building
to
restore
districts,
so
that
may
be
necessary,
but
procedurally
I
think
the
board
can
choose
to
postpone
or
deny
and
then
recommend
have
going
forward
with
an
hcpi
and
a
status,
and
that
may
be.
That
could
be
done
at
the
same
hearing
with
the
with
the
approval
of
the
windows.
H
E
B
So,
are
you
indicating
that
those
options
that
the
board
described
that
we
go
forward
without
without
hearing
from
the
applicants.
D
No,
no
I
think
we
just
got
on
to
questions
to
me.
Madam,
chair
and
as
soon
as
we
are
ready
to
remove
me
from
the
podium
I
will
gladly
vacate
and
let
the
applicant
speak.
B
So
if
the
applicants
will
please
come
forward
and
get
sworn
in.
C
H
My
name
is
Don
Albuquerque,
New,
Mexico
and
I.
Suppose
8711.
W
W
The
building
was
purchased
by
the
family
in
1996,
and
we
really
didn't
have
much
history
on
the
building
other
than
the
prior
owner
was
a
contractor,
Adobe
Incorporated,
and
when
we
did
the
windows
we
didn't
realize
we
needed
a
permit.
So
we
went
ahead
and
did
the
windows
as
closely
replicated
as
to
what
was
there.
W
The
only
problem
is
that
you
know
they're,
not
blue
they're,
consistent
with
surrounding
properties,
windows,
and
you
know
the
stucco
we
agreed
with
color
I
had
sent
Carly
a
new
proposal
for
the
cementuous
stucco
that
she
is
asking
be
be
put
even
though
some
of
the
building,
or
whoever
has
done
it
before-
has
the
synthetic
stucco.
W
So
you
know
we,
we
are
concerned
that
the
building
is
going
to
be
compromised
with
the
cold
weather
and
the
moisture,
because
some
of
the
wall
is
exposed
and
we
need
to
get
this
matter
resolved.
You
know
at
least
the
suck
the
stucco
part
of
it
you
know,
and
the
windows,
if
they
have
to.
If
we
have
to
debate
that
further.
M
W
You
know
we're
willing
to.
You
know,
take
that
on,
but
the
stucco
needs
to
be
replaced
and
it
needs
to
be
done
before
the
weather
gets
bad.
W
So
we
would
love
for
the
board
to
please
consider
that
I
have
the
proposal.
I,
don't
know
if
Carly
got
it
or
not
for
the
stucco
I'm,
not
real
good
on
a
computer,
as
she
probably
knows,
because
I've
been
sending
her
stuff
and
some
stuff
goes
one
place
and
some
doesn't
get
to
her.
But
we
would
like
your
consideration
to
at
least
get
that
building
secured
so
that
the
weather
doesn't
continue
to
deteriorate
it.
W
What
the
previous
owner
did,
we
don't
know
but,
like
I,
said,
there's
synthetic
stucco
on
some
of
the
walls
and
we
weren't
aware
of
that.
But.
W
Oh
yes,
absolutely
and
at
our
cost
at
an
additional
cost,
and
we
already
have
money
tied
up
with
this
Deco
company
that
was
stopped
and
we're
seven
I
think
7
500
out
with
them
that
they've
they've
been
held
up,
because
we
can't
do
anything.
The
windows
are
completely
paid
for,
but
we
we
need
to
proceed
with.
You
know
just
finishing
up
the
building.
This
process
started
way
back
in
March,
and
here
we
are
seven
months
later
and
we
can't
do
anything.
B
W
B
The
same
you're
in
agreement
with
that
Carly
that
the
windows,
the
windows,
the
window,
openings.
D
Have
not
changed
the
window.
Openings
have
not
changed,
Style,
just
the
window
inset,
so
the
wood,
the
wood
framing.
That's
all!
That's
all
the
same,
but
there's
like
the
window
replacement,
that's
sitting
inside
of
them
are
different,
but.
W
They're
very
similar
to
what
is
it
exists
right
in
that
neighborhood
there's
a
lot
of
buildings
that
have
the
same
type
window
so
I,
don't
know
how
we're
violating
historical
protocol
if
the
windows
that
are
in
that
same
neighborhood.
W
B
So
the
windows
that
were
there
contribute
to
its
contributing
status
yeah,
even
though
we
do
not
have
the
primary
facades,
which
are
the
more
important
facades,
and
so
we
are
looking
at
this
building
in
and
of
itself.
Okay
without
looking,
we
want
it
to
be
in
harmony
with
the
neighborhood,
but
we
are
looking
at
the
building
for
its
own
characters:
okay,
characterization
its
own
style,
because
the
I
think
this
building
is
quite
old
over
100
years
old,
correct
it.
W
Way,
oh
yeah.
Definitely
we're
not
trying
to
change
anything.
You
know
we're,
that's
why
we
we
agreed
to
put
in
the
same
size
windows.
We
didn't
want
to
change
anything
about
the
building.
You
know
the
style
of
window
or
whatever
Carly
is
questioning.
Is
you
know
the
closest
that
we
could
come
the
windows
that
were
there
were
in
bad
repair
and
they
weren't
energy
efficient?
So
they
had
to
be
replaced.
I
You,
madam
chair,
just
one
quick
question:
what
what
happened
to
the
windows
when
they
were
removed.
V
I
And
did
you
see
the
windows
that
were
removed?
Can
you
speak
to
them?
Were
they
true
divided
light
Windows?
Would
they.
V
I
Or
no
I
understand
I'm
just
trying
to
get
an
idea,
because
under
our
code,
when
Windows
can't
be
repaired,
what
you're
saying
was
the
case
here
we
don't
know
one
way
or
the
other.
What
we
require
on
primary
facades
of
contributing
buildings
is
that
they
be
replaced
in
kind
meaning
duplicating
them.
In
essence,.
W
I
W
I
M
W
I
B
Remember
Aguilar
Madonna.
O
D
Sorry
I'm
Madam
chair
member
Aguilar
Medrano
that
was
I
just
wanted
to
be
clear.
The
foam
is
as
just
something
that
it
was
a
part
of
the
stucco
conversation
not
applicable
to
this
project,
but
it's
just
a
bridge
onto
our
stucco
guidance,
something
that
we're
seeing
lately
is
foam
panels
being
requested
to
be
added
to
buildings,
to
insulate
Adobe
buildings
that
we
likely
are
going
to
want
to
add
to
our
stucco
guidelines.
But
that
is
not
a
part
of
this
particular
application.
Please
excuse
me
for
interrupting.
Oh.
O
No
thank
you
got
it
I'll
move
on
to
my
next
one.
Then,
during
our
site
visit
we
noticed
that
there
may
have
been
another
window
that
at
some
point,
had
been
covered
up.
Do
you
guys
know
anything
about
that
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
that's
something
moving
forward?
If
we
do,
we
want
to
explore
that
option
of
potentially
reopening
that
that
window
there
or
what
is
that
room?
Is
it
even
possible.
M
W
O
W
As
far
as
we
know,
I
have
an
old
drawing
of
the
house,
the
east
side
of
the
of
the
house.
Actually
that
was
the
front
of
the
house,
and
there
was
like
an
entrance
there,
but
I
don't
know
who
changed.
We
don't
know
who
changed
that
out
the
building
that
when
we
there's
nothing,
been
done
to
that
building
since
we
bought
it.
Okay,
maybe
the
previous
owner
did
something
or
even
the
before
that
there's
several
layers
of
of
plaster
and
stuff
go
on
on
the
wall.
W
O
D
Madam
chair
member
Aguilar
Medrano,
maybe
potentially
so
I
I,
believe
the
photograph
I
was
just
pulling
it
up
from
our
old
hcpi
report
as
a
no
window
depicted
there
from
96
and
also
it's
a
really
hard
photograph
from
or
they're,
not
the
greatest
photographs
from
1985,
but
there's
no
there's
no
window
shown
but
historic
photographs.
Someone
really
digging
into
archives
could
find
it
there.
So
it's
whatever
was
done
was
done
prior
to
1985
and
there
could
be
a
historic
window
under
there.
D
W
B
E
W
W
E
Explained
by
the
board
chair
earlier,
okay
and
in
line
with
our
code
standards.
What
I'm
seeing
tonight
is
a
very
big
disconnect
between
your
understanding
of
what's
an
appropriate
window
or
stucco
response
in
this
District.
You
were
unaware
of
of,
or
you
claim
to
be
unaware
of
the
requirements
of
the
code
here.
I
sincerely
recommend
that
you
hire
a
design
professional
to
advise
you
in
this
process,
not
a
contractor
a
design
professional
with
knowledge
of
historic
preservation,
because.
M
E
Have
a
very
important
building
one
that's
designated
as
contributing
and
I
think
now
you
realize
that
you
know
the
the
adequate
background.
Research
was
not
done
before
starting
work
and
I
just
think
that,
before
moving
forward,
you
know
we're
not
going
to
fix
this
tonight
based
on
cementitious
stucco
versus
synthetic
or
G.
Maybe
the
windows
are
okay,
there's
a
lot
more
at
hand
here
and
and
I
think
you
need
somebody
to
guide
you
in
that
process.
E
Beyond
City
staff,
City
staff,
can
tell
you
what
the
requirements
are,
but
some
design
professional
could
make
you
available
what
your
window
reconstruction
options
are.
What
windows
are
available?
What
I'm
seeing
tonight
in
the
photographs
is
so
completely
out
of
line
with
what
we
do
regularly
in
practice
and
preservation
practice
in
Santa,
Fe
I
see
vinyl
windows
with
snap-in
grills
that
are
replacement
type
Windows.
This
is
this
is
not
okay,
and
so
that
that
would
be
my
advice
to
you.
Okay,.
R
Add
something
that
I've
been
taking
a
look
at
the
official
Map
There's,
an
official
map
of
historic
buildings
on
the
city
of
Santa
fe's
website,
which
may
be
somewhat
helpful,
but,
interestingly
enough
in
this
neighborhood
there
at
the
west
side
in
Guadalupe
historic
district.
This
per
the
particular
buildings
on
this
lot
are
designated
contributing,
but
the
buildings
directly
across
the
street
to
the
north,
the
buildings
immediately
to
the
west
and
most
of
the
buildings
to
the
South
are
not.
R
However,
many
of
the
buildings
immediately
to
the
East
and
diagonally
across
the
street
to
the
East
are
contributing.
So
this
is
not
a
neighborhood
that
has
a
big,
close
cluster
of
contributing
buildings,
so
the
other
houses
in
the
neighborhood
May
provide
very
little
guidance.
You
know
so
anyhow,
that's
what
I
observed
from
looking
at
the
official
map
here.
B
Oh
board,
members
I
will
entertain
a
motion
unless.
I
Just
a
further
question
or
comment
before
we
proceed
with
emotion,
so
this
the
the
stucco
issue
I
understand
the
concern
about
the
impending
weather
and
of
course
you
know,
as
you
know,
you
sort
of
brought
this
problem
on
yourself.
So,
but
that
doesn't
mean
we
don't
want
to
help
out
what
we
can.
The
way.
I
I
always
look
at
these
situations
when
someone's
been
red
tagged
and
then
it
comes
back
to
us
is
we
try
I,
try
to
look
at
it
as
if
it
was
coming
to
us
for
the
first
time
before
you
started
the
work,
so
you
need
to
penalized
for
having
proceeded
without
approval.
Nor
can
you
benefit
from
that
by
using
that
as
a
reason
to
do
something
that
we
otherwise
wouldn't
have
approved.
So
that
said,
I'm
just
I
do
I
do
recognize.
The
stucco
issue
is
of
concern.
I
I
think
the
only
issue
that
staff
had
raised
was
the
synthetic
stucco.
If
now
cementitious
is
being
proposed
that
may
solve
that
problem.
However,
I'd
be
concerned
about
the
window
and
door
openings
which
may
be
modified,
so
can
someone
address
whether
or
not
we
need
to
defer
consideration
of
the
stuccoing
issue
until
the
windows
are
resolved?
D
You
Madam
chair
member
bienvenue,
we
first,
we
typically
wrap
all
of
these,
and
these
changes
interventions
to
a
building
in
one
permit
application
for
several
reasons.
D
But
then
the
other
portion
is
when
we
haven't
and
when
we
haven't
in
the
past.
Sometimes
things
don't
come
back
to
the
board
and
not
that
I.
Don't
we
don't
trust
these
applicants,
but
it
there
is
a
pattern
that
has
been
I've,
seen
it
just
this
year.
So
that's
generally,
why
we
do
that
that
and
then
that
permit
it
just
gets
one
item.
It's
it's
a
lot,
less
work
for
everybody,
even
the
applicant,
so
we
try
to
just
keep
it
as
one
okay.
D
So
I
believe
that's
a
good
question
for
the
applicant
I
know
there
was
a
the
restucco
job
had
to
happen
for
the
front
building,
but
the
back
building
this
I
don't
know
nothing
has
happened.
Okay,.
W
B
W
Yes
and
may
I
submit
the
proposal
for
the
cementress
stucco
for.
B
The
cementitious
stucco,
yes
ma'am,
yes,
you
may
give
it
to
staff.
B
A
B
Board
members
I
will
entertain
a
motion.
Is
someone
ready
to
make
one
member
benvenue
I'll.
I
Try
thank
you,
madam
chair
in
case
number
2022-005973
hdrb
624,
Aqua,
Prius,
Street
I,
move
that
this
matter
be
postponed
to
the
next
available
date
by
which
the
following
can
occur,
that
a
hippie
is
prepared
and
we
are
presented
with
sufficient
information
for
a
status
review
as
well
as
primary
facade,
designation
and
the,
and
that
the
matter
of
requested
exceptions
that
are
here
before
us
tonight.
If
the
applicant
continues
to
wish
to
request
those
be
presented
to
us.
At
the
same
time,.
I
It's
completely
accepted
I
hope
that
the
applicant
understood
that,
from
our
comments
that
it's
very
likely
that
this
board
will
require
restoration,
so
it
would
behoove
the
applicant
to
be
looking
for
a
replacement
windows
in
kind
in
the
interim,
so
as
not
to
lose
any
further
time.
Once
approval
to
proceed
has
finally
been
obtained.
P
Wonder
if
we
could
include
as
a
condition
that
but
a
licensed
historian
along
the
lines
of
John
Murphy,
that
we
see
quite
often
prepare
the
hiki
and
that
he'd
be
given
the
information
that
this
project
was
red,
tagged
that
the
windows
were
replaced
outside
of
the
purview
of
this
board,
so
that
he's
not
assessing
what's
there
now
without
the
knowledge
that
that
has
happened.
B
John
Murphy
is
a
historian
who
has
the
ability
to
do
the
to
do
a
history
on
this
house
and
to
get
to
write
down
that
history
and
submit
it
to
us,
and
it's
called
a
hippie
report.
That's
a
historic
cultural
properties,
inventory
report
and
staff
can
help
you
under.
If
you
have
further
questions
in
reference
to
that,
Steph
can
help.
You
understand
that
okay,
but
you
have
a
person
that
specializes
in
that
and
they
prepare
a
report
to
us.
B
Well,
that
becomes
part
of
the
record
that
we
look
at
okay
and
he
does.
An
intensive
study
of
the
building
looks
through
pours
through
a
lot
of
records
and
I
and
photographs,
and
prepares
that,
in
reference
to
looking
to
all
the
to
the
history.
Reading
the
history
and
and
looking
at
pictures
of
the
of
the
windows
of
what
was
there
is.
B
W
B
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
So
there
is
a
list
of
approved
or
historians
and
Architectural
historians
and
John
Murphy
is
one
of
them.
You'll
have
the
ability
to
call
and
see
who
is
available
soonest
or,
as
you
choose,
okay.
B
U
B
Thank
you
and
I
will
tell
you
the
same
thing.
I
told
the
applicants
before
that
came
before
us
that
the
board,
obviously
by
their
comments,
they
do
want
to
work
with
you
and
unfortunately
this
was
a
red
tag
and
from
what
I
read
on
the
report,
you
did
not
know
that
this
was
a
historic
property
correct
and
you
went
forward
you're
just
trying
to
improve
your
property.
But
now
you
have
now
you're
at
this
point,
so
we're
going
to
work
with.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
board.
We
do
need
to
do
Board
elections,
so
we
need
to
have
nominations
for
chair
and
vice
chair.
We
can
do
that
under
discussion
items,
or
we
can
do
that
under
I.
Think
under
discussion
items
makes
the
most
sense
you
might
as.
B
Well,
do
it
do
it
now
right,
as
we
heard
ladies
and
Gentlemen
We
Are
needing
to
have
a
chair
and
a
vice
chair
picked
tonight,
so
I
will
hear
for
I,
guess,
emotion,
it'll
be
an
emotion
and
I,
don't
know
if
one
person
will,
if
we
do
it,
if
we
do
the
two
on
one
motion,
I
think
or
if
we
do
I'd
only
do
it
one
at
a
time.
I
have.
G
D
And
then
it
will
be
we'll
have
to
figure
out
the
cycle
exactly,
but
because
everyone
on
the
board
is
staggered,
and
while
we
had
our
renominations,
some
people
have
a
year
left
in
their
term
and
some
folks
have
two
years
left
in
their
term.
So
I'll
have
to
figure
out
based
on
the
individual.
How
long
that
is
actually
and
I
think
our
attorney
has
some.
R
Words
here,
yes,
I
can
assign
to
specific
code
section
that
is
14-2.8
additional
procedures
of
land
use
boards,
subsection,
C
officers,
a
chair,
Vice,
chair
and
secretary,
shall
be
elected
for
one-year
terms
without
restriction.
As
to
re-election
in
the
case
of
an
ad
hoc
subcommittee,
that's
not
what
we're
looking
at
the
chair
shall
reside
over
the
administrative
body
and
the
absence
or
disability
of
the
chair.
The
vice
chair
shall
perform
the
duties
of
the
chair,
so
a
chair
is
elected
for
a
one-year
term
but
can
be
erect
re-elected
indefinitely.
I
A
motion
or
nomination-
thank
you,
madam
chair,
so
I'll
do
these
together,
but
we
can
break
them
down
separately
if
the
nominees
are
not
interested.
But
during
my
time
on
the
board,
I
have
found
the
current
chairs
service
to
be
exemplary.
I
think
she
runs
these
meetings
gracefully
efficiently,
at
the
firm
hand,
when
needed
and
always
fairly-
and
you
have
an
extraordinary
depth
of
experience
and
expertise.
I
think
we're
well
served
to
help.
You
continue
to
serve
as
chairs,
so
I
would
nominate
Cecilia
Rios
to
continue
to
serve
as
chair.
I
If
she
will
accept
it.
I
would
also
nominate
for
vice
chair
member
Guida,
who
has
also
stepped
in
in
my
experience
extremely
effectively
in
running
our
meetings
and
chair.
Rios's
absence
have
a
slight
hesitation
about
the
restriction
on
on
time,
but
I
think
that
I
know
that
Pembroke
is
always
fair
and
will
not
impose
any
restrictions
inflexibly,
but
only
as
the
case
may
require,
which
is
always
appropriate.
So
with
that
those
would
be
my
two
nominations.
C
I
R
I'm
sorry
I
have
to
interject
something
under
these
circumstances
that
the
persons
who
are
nominated
are
not
eligible
to
vote.
So
member
Guida
I
would
have
to
ask
you
to
abstain.
I.
R
Okay,
it
didn't
change
the
outcome
of
the
vote,
but
but
just
for
I
guess
for
record
keeping.
That's
that's
what
we
have
to
do.
Thank
you.
C
B
Me
I
didn't
vote
yeah
and
your
vote
was.
H
B
So
I
don't
think
that
we
need
to
redo
it.
Correct,
probably
not,
and
thank
you
for
the
confidence,
even
though
tonight
I
was
on
jet
lag,
even
though
it
was
domestic
gently
at
the
beginning.
Okay,.
B
R
Part
of
the
staff
comments.
This
is
not
necessarily
illegal
opinion
of
mine,
but
you
may
recall
now
this
was
before
member
Berkeley
and
before
a
member
Aguilar
or
appointed
to
the
board,
there
was
an
interesting
project
that
the
board
voted
on
with
respect
to
the
old
Sinclair
station
at
201
Washington
Avenue.
R
This
was
an
interesting
somewhat
of
a
conundrum
for
the
historic
district
review
board,
because
the
colors
of
that
building
historically
did
not
meet
the
downtown
at
East
Side
code
that
they
were
not
earth
colors.
The
building
was
originally
green
and
white,
and
the
original
terracotta
tile
on
the
top
had
been
glazed
green
but
had
been
painted
red
and
the
building
had
been
painted
in
Earth
Tone,
and
that
has
subsequently
become
a
Los
poblanos
Farm
shop
that
they
call
the
Los
poblanos
Farm
Shop
Norte,
which
will
have
its
grand
opening
on
November
4th.
R
So
I,
of
course,
since
I
work
right
here
downtown
just
about
a
block
away
from
that
I
see
it
all
the
time.
It's
been
interesting,
the
work
they
put
into
that.
So
you
get
a
chance
you
may
want
to
drop
by
at
their
grand
opening
on
November
4th
very
interesting
thing.
They
make
gin
out
of
lavender,
so
they
may
and
I'm
not
a
gin
drinker
but
sounds
interesting.
I
just
thought:
I'd
bring
that
to
everybody's
attention.
D
So,
oh
thank
you,
madam
chair.
If
it's
directed
from
me,
the
Rhythm
from
the
city
from
the
city,
yes
and
there's
a
couple
ways
to
interpret
that
we
can
so
it
can
be
directed
from
from
the
city,
but
what
they,
what
they
propose
may
need
to
be
per.
The
code
may
need
to
be
approved
by
the
board
if
that
makes
sense,
so
if
they're
they're
replacing,
they
can
be
directed
to
replace
resources.
B
D
It's
it
depends
it's
a
little
bit
of
both
if
we
can't
find
if
we
can't
find
a
Reconciliation
on
these
have
to
be
restored
and
I'm
I'm
telling
them
that
in
this
case
these
have
to
be
restored
and
they're
like
no.
These
are
these
are
congruent
with
what
you're
saying
with
what
that
code
says
then,
and
we
can't
get
there,
then
we
take
it
to
the
board
that
make.
D
Does
that
make
sense
yes
and
then,
depending
on
this
case,
is
a
little
bit
more
particular
in
the
sense
that
you
know
we
I,
don't
know
that
we'd
have
all
the
materials
to
see
which
was
old,
which
was
new,
and
so
it
becomes
a
little
bit
more
complicated
like
that,
but
in
the
case
of
raising
a
height
on
a
building,
the
board
can
or
lowering
the
height
because
they
built
it
too
high.
D
It
just
depends
on
the
code
trigger,
so
if
they
want
to
go
forward
and
ask
for
an
exception
and
the
board
says
no,
you
need
to
lower
it
back
down.
That
is
the
purview
of
the
board.
So
that's
something
that
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
approve
administratively.
D
So
it
just
depends
on
which
piece
of
the
code
that
is-
and
there
are
there-
are
a
number
of
cases
that
are
outstanding-
the
historic
districts
right
now
that
we
can't
necessarily
compel
folks
to
bring
an
application
to
us
or
to
the
board
where
it's
required,
and
we
have
to
raise
it
to
the
level
of
citation.
And
that
is
our
way
of
requiring
that
something
be
done.
So
and
that's.
There
are
some
Active
cases
currently
that
we're
looking
at.