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A
D
Yes,
chair
Rios.
D
D
E
F
F
Next
item
is
number
six
under
new
business:
504
East
Palace,
this
case
number
20220055
nine
five
eight
year,
B
that
one
was
also
postponed.
One
more.
C
Okay,
may
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
agenda
as
amended.
C
B
I
have
two
thank
you
on
page
19,
third
paragraph,
please
replace
Northwest
with
North,
comma
West
and
also
on
page
19.
The
seventh
paragraph,
please
correct
the
spelling
of
admirable.
C
C
Motion
to
prove
the
Amendments
as
amended.
The
excuse
me.
J
C
C
C
B
Can
you
hear
me
now?
Yes,
Stephanie
benanato
and
Sarah
Patty
myself
on
the
back,
but
I
did
mention
to
you
before
about
the
library,
Flora,
La
Posada
and
just
decided
to
try
to
find,
go
up
the
chain
and
found
a
responsive
CEO
at
Remington
hotels
has
actually
hired
a
local
Finnish
Carpenter
Master,
finish
Carpenter
to
redo
that
floor
and
a
few
other
floors
in
the
on
the
first
floor.
So
anyway,
we
do
have
somebody
a
corporate
partner
who
actually
cares
about
their
historic
asset
and
is
going
to
do
something
about
it.
B
So
I'm
pretty
excited
that
it
was
actually
as
simple
as
that
I
thought.
I'd
have
to
start
a
letter
writing
campaign
or
something
and
I
want
to
thank
you
Frank
for
being
on
the
board
for
so
long
I
understand
this
is
your
last
meeting
and
I.
B
You
know
again
appreciate
your
time
and
also
your
sensibilities
and
I
do
want
to
point
out
again
that
there's
still
this
fake
Green
Turf
wall
at
dinner
for
two
that
says
steak
and
Cocktails
and
neon
lights
that
separates
them
from
their
neighbors,
but
I'm
really
wondering
how
we
approved
a
a
green
saw
date:
green
sod
wall
there
and
it's
just
attached
to
a
fencing
there
and
the
other
thing
is.
We
do
have
an
Old
Santa,
Fe
Trail.
We
have
Sarah,
Novus
and
again
advertising
off-site.
B
C
Thank
you,
Stephanie
anybody
else:
okay,
moving
on
to
staff,
Communications
Carly.
F
Thank
you,
chair
logistical
items,
start
with
the
Lincoln.
Avenue
doors
will
be
the
ones
that
will
be
open
in
the
future,
and
this
one
will
not
be
opened.
F
F
F
It's
just
a
standard
for
our
community
and
our
other
boards.
It's
a
high
commitment
and
there
are
some
long
nights
and
they're
important
decisions.
So
I'm
going
to
say,
we
really
appreciate
Buddy's
service.
F
C
D
C
Yeah
I
would
say
a
few
words.
I
was
appointed
to
the
board
in
February
of
2011
and
that's
a
long
time
ago
and
I
love
serving
on
the
board.
I
think
it's
been
a
very
important
organization.
I
very
much
appreciate
the
help
of
Staff
all
these
years
that
we
couldn't
do
without
that
for
darn.
Sure
and
I
also
appreciate
my
fellow
board
members
throughout
the
years
and
what
a
collegial
intelligent,
hard-working
group
of
people.
They
are.
C
I
I
feel
the
seat
that
is
assigned
to
a
member
of
the
Old
Santa
Fe
Association
and
Jennifer
Berkeley
will
filling
that
seat
she's
been
a
long
time
member
of
the
association
and
has
done
a
lot
of
work
on
historic
preservation.
In
fact,
when
awards
for
it,
so
you
won't
have
any
kick
around
anymore.
No,
he
never
did
kicked
me
around.
It
was
a
pleasure
being
here.
Thank
you.
F
I'm
going
to
just
add
metal
and
Madrona
Aguilar
I
will
be
filling
the
seat.
That
represents
the
construction
industry
and
then
Flynn.
Larson
is
also
not
seeking
reappointment
at
this
point
and
she
hopefully
will
be
able
to
join
us
until
we
have
another
person
to
build
a
historian
seat,
so
that
has
a
newer
development
and
we'll
be
working
very
hard
and
quickly.
F
She
has
been
a
very
important
member
to
this
board.
This
is
a
very
important
seat
as
as
each
of
them
as
each
are,
but
this
is
a
historic
preservation,
the
historian
feet
and
she
will
be
working
on
her
master's
thesis,
this
fall,
and
so
we
wish
her
the
best.
So
as
you
find
other
folks
who
are
very
interested
I'm
sure
this
one
will
be
we'll
have
several
hopeful
applicants
and
we'll
post
over
the
website
very
soon,
and
that
is
all
for
staff.
Communications.
C
Okay,
thank
you.
We
will
then
go
on
to
our
cases
and,
as
usual,
if
one
is
dissatisfied
with
the
decision
of
the
board,
you
do
have
the
right
to
appeal
to
the
city.
Council
I
think
it's
15
days
from
the
issuance
of
the
findings
of
fact
and
conclusion
so
far
or
30
days
from
the
decision
announced.
If
we
don't
get
those
findings
out
Timely.
B
In
the
zoom
on
Zoom,
if
they
wish
to
speak
on
a
particular
case,
have
them
raise
their
hand,
we
will
do
people
who
are
in
person
and
get
their
comments
first
and
then,
if
there's
an
interested
member
of
the
public,
then
I
will
make
sure
that
they
speak
accurate.
Thank
you.
K
K
K
Currently
it
has
a
commercial
storefront
windows
on
its
ground
floor
and
a
large
flat
windowless
stucco
wall
that
extends
from
the
portal
to
its
parapet.
In
the
late
1960s
meme
design
portals
around
the
plaza,
which
included
this
building.
It
was
previously
known
as
the
First
National
Bank
and
later
as
the
Levine's
Department
Store
in
1954,
the
bank
moved
across
the
plaza
to
its
current
location
and.
B
K
K
Existing
is
on
the
left
and
proposed
is
on
the
right.
The
proposed
sign
will
be
51
smaller
than
the
existing
sign,
the
area
with
a
maximum
area
of
34
square
feet
compared
to
the
current
70
square
feet.
The
letters
will
all
be
24
inch
in
height
with
inches,
which
is
three
feet
shorter
than
the
largest
letter
on
the
current
sign
will
be
mounted
with
the
base
at
17
feet,
6
inches
above
Street
grade,
which
is
the
current
mounting
height.
K
H
A
J
E
K
Dimensions
are
I
believe
what
is
it
20?
What
I
just
quoted
our
code,
foreign.
H
K
H
K
E
G
E
G
E
H
H
A
D
B
C
F
M
I
will
be
as
brief
as
possible.
It's
we're
here
tonight
evening
the
chair
members
of
the
board
to
discuss
the
sign
replacement
at
57
Old
Santa
Fe
Trail,
the
site,
as
as
Angela
mentioned,
is
on
the
east
side
of
the
plaza
facing
west.
M
And
we
are
in
the
downtown
east
side,
historic
district
we've.
We
have
a
request
before
you
this
evening
for
an
approval
of
a
wall-mounted
sign
to
replace
the
existing
sign
at
the
exterior
facade
at
57,
Old,
Santa,
Fe,
Trail,
and,
as
was
mentioned,
there
are
three
exceptions
that
have
been
requested.
B
M
On
the
corner,
now,
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
this
building
was
originally
constructed
in
1912
as
the
First
National
Bank
in
a
neoclassical
style.
It
is,
in
my
view,
one
of
the
most
dramatic
instances
of
of
a
change
from
what
was
happening
around
the
turn
of
the
century,
to
more
of
a
push
towards
the
proliferation
of
Santa
Fe
Style,
just
as
a
little
memory
there,
and
then
we
have
some
images
of
the
Levine's
Department
Store.
As
it
says
it
appeared
in
1954
when
it
was
redesigned
by
John
galmie
on
the
left.
M
You
see
Memes
rendering
the
concept
that
he
had
for
the
Levine's,
Department,
Store
and
and
I
want
you
to
note
the
size
of
the
lettering
there,
which
is
quite
large
and
actually
larger
than
what
ended
up
being
put
into
that
space.
The
space
was
designed
to
to
seat
a
sign
to
seat
a
wall
mounted
sign
for
a
business
in
that
location,
and
so
you
see
on
the
right
the
the
resultant
lettering
that
was
that
was
placed
on
the
wall
for
Levine's
Department
Store.
We
believe
that
that
sign
was
well
I
can
get
into
some
comparisons.
M
For
what
we
believe
that
that
original
Levine's
Department
Store
sign
was,
but
we
believe
that
the
lettering
height
was
probably
about
four
feet
high
at
that
time,
probably
mounted
around
the
same
height
that
the
lucasi
sign
is
mounted
now
and
I.
Just
also
wanted
to
note
out
note
that
there
is
a
provision
in
14-5.2
that
that
mentions
that
replacement
or
duplication
of
missing
features
it
can
can
be
substantiated
by
by
documentation
or
for
pictorial
evidence
and
we're.
Although
we're
not
replacing
replicating
exactly
a
historical
feature,
we
are.
M
So
that's
just
a
sidebar
note,
and
here
is
a
little
mock-up
that
we
did
just
by
point
of
comparison,
because
we've
done
our
other
the
existing
sign
and
the
same
mock-up
in
our
proposed
sign
and
the
same
mock-up.
This
is
what
the
Levine's
lettering
would
look
up
in
the
2D
representation.
M
This
is
the
existing
sign,
as
it
looks
today,
as
approved
in
January
of
2011
with
exceptions.
The
existing
sign
is
14
feet
wide.
The
lettering,
at
its
maximum
extent,
is
five
feet
high
and
the
top
of
the
lettering
there
is
21
feet
high.
So
then,
if
you
do
the
math,
then
the
bottom
of
the
sign
is
at
about
16
feet
above
street
level.
M
So
Lucchesi
has
gone
through
a
Rebrand
as
businesses
do
it's
important
to
the
life
of
a
business,
to
Rebrand
and
refresh
its
image
every
now
and
then-
and
it's
doing
this
at
its
stores
all
over
all
over
the
country.
So
this
is
just
a
little
bit
of
branding
material
that
reflects
the
new,
the
Casey
brand
and
you'll.
Note
the
different
color
palettes
that
that
are
there
with
navy
blue
being
the
preferred
color.
M
We
also
did
a
mock-up
of
what
we
we
interpret
a
code,
compliance
sign
to
be
if
we
place
and
again
we're,
assuming
that
the
15
feet
was
to
the
top
of
the
sign.
So
if
you
place,
you
know,
20
inch
lettering
at
the
mounting
height
specified
in
the
area
specified
by
the
sine
mode.
This
is
what
you
get
a
sign:
that's
not
legible
from
the
street
and
that's
not
readable,
and
it's
not
really
appropriate
for
the
space
that
was
designed
by
meme
to
hold
a
sign.
M
I
would
like
to
point
out
that
the
we're
not
really
working
from
14.5.2
14-5.2
here
we're
working
from
the
sine
code,
which
is
14-8.10
H,
and
in
that
code
it
says
that
the
effort
of
design
assigns
in
the
historic
district
is
to
keep
them
moderate,
attractive
and
compatible
styling.
So
it's
not
to
cause
erratic
or
disturbing
distractions
from
the
architectural
beauties
of
the
city.
And
importantly,
therefore,
the
color
and
design
are
left
to
the
discretion
of
the
applicant,
and
this
is
reflected
in
in
the
Myriad
signs.
M
You
see
around
the
plaza
in
various
different
colors,
which
we've
got
a
few
examples
here:
the
five
and
dime
being
orange,
notably
Ortega's.
Being
turquoise
and
red
we've
got.
You
know
any
color
in
the
rainbow,
as
represented
in
signs
around
the
plaza,
including
navy
blue,
as
you
can
see
in
the
center
photo
that
crocini
and
spirit
sign
being
navy,
blue
and
white,
and
just
wanted
to
throw
out
a
dimensional
comparison
of
what.
What
was
there
historically
in
1954
with
Levine's
Department
Store?
M
M
The
sign
code
again
requires
a
20
inch
lettering
height
and
what
was
approved
in
2011
was
a
five
foot
lettering
height
and
what
is
being
proposed
this
evening
is
a
two
foot
lettering
height
in
terms
of
sign
area.
We
estimate
that
the
Levines,
the
original
Levine
sign,
was
about
96
square
feet.
The
sign
code
again
requires
a
maximum
of
20
square
feet,
but
what's
approved
in
2011
under
exception
was
70
and
what
we're
being?
What
was?
M
What
is
proposed
this
evening
is
34
square
feet
in
area
and
in
terms
of
mounting
height
and
again
there's
that
discrepancy.
So
this
is
to
the
top
of
the
signs.
So
we
we
estimate
that
the
Levine's
sign
is
about
22
and
a
half
feet
to
the
top
of
the
sign.
The
sine
code
again
specifies
15..
What
was
approved
in
2011
was
about
21
to
the
top
of
the
sign,
and
then
what
we
are
proposing
this
evening
goes
to
about
19
and
a
half,
and
that
concludes
our
presentation.
C
C
D
A
D
N
Thank
you,
chair
caps
and
board
members.
This
is
a
really
interesting
submission
and
I
really
appreciate
the
detail
that
the
applicant
has
put
into
their
proposal.
N
Very
very
helpful,
and
it
essentially
to
me,
comes
down
to
Aesthetics
and
subjective
judgment,
which
is
really
difficult
for
you
guys
to
deal
with,
but
my
take
on
this
is
that,
because
of
the
change
in
the
lettering,
the
proposed
lettering
of
that
space
of
the
size
of
the
lettering
dominates
the
physical
space
dedicated
to
him
and,
as
such
I
think
it
takes
away
from
the
architectural
Integrity
of
that
space.
Even
though
we
all
know
that
space
was
designed
specifically
to
house
a
sign.
N
The
earlier
sign
is
much
more
organic
and
is
more
like
script,
and
it
really
disappears
in
that
space,
which
I
know
is
counterintuitive
to
someone
who
wants
to
Market
their
building.
That
I
think
that
the
size
of
the
type
of
their
submission
were
lessened
and
that
exception
were
not
granted
to
exceed
the
size.
I
think
that
that
sign
would
still
have
the
effectiveness
because
of
its
lettering
jumping
out
the
way
it
does.
N
D
B
Stephanie
bananato
PO
Box
one
six,
zero
one
Santa
Fe
I.
Think
really,
if
we're
being
sort
of
logical
that
you
would
be
calculating
the
height
of
the
sign
from
the
bottom
because
look
at
the
plaza,
they
all
have
second
stories.
They
all
have
portals
and
when
portals
came
and
got
went
but
with
the
portal
it's
impossible
to
have
a
sign.
That's
at
the
top
of
it
is
15
feet.
That
makes
a
lot
more
sense.
B
I
think
that's
the
purpose
of
the
sign,
but
again
I'm,
not
sure
that
you
have
to
Grant
a
slightly
larger
type.
I'll
just
call
it
a
type
because
I
think
20
inches
will
get
everyone's
attention
and
I
do
hope
that
they're
not
proposing
to
re-stucco
it.
To
that
light,
color
I
I
would
really
be
opposed
to
that
and
again
I
I
think
is
that
blue
is
that
the
blue
they're
going
to
be
using.
Is
that
what
it's
really
going
to
look
like
on
the
building?
So
those
are
my
questions.
Thank
you.
M
Really
have
any
anything
specifically
to
respond
to
just
that.
It
feels
like
the
comparison
should
be
the
historic
condition.
Not
what
is
there
presently
because
word
is
there
presently
was
was
granted
by
exception
and
I
think.
It's
also
important
to
note
that
that
John
gomeem
installed
a
sign
that
wouldn't
have
met
our
code
either
as,
and
he
did
a
lot
of
things
that
would
not
have
met
our
code
but
I.
Think
if
we're,
if
we're
here
to
honor
the
history
of
Santa
Fe,
then
that
has
to
hold
some
weight.
B
M
C
One
of
the
things
that's
puzzled
to
me
about
the
discussion
of
the
size
of
the
sign
is
that
obviously
the
letters
in
the
sign
in
this.
Currently
there
are
quite
a
bit
smaller
than
the
letters
on
this
sign.
That's
proposed,
and
so,
when
you
say
the
area
of
the
sign,
you
sort
of
draw
a
box
around
it
and
take
the
tallest
part
of
it
and
say
that's
the
whole
height
of
it
and
I.
Think
that
does
not
fairly
represent
the
sign,
which
is
why
I
think
we
look
at
the
one
on.
O
C
Seeming
large
as
comparison,
would
you
consider
the
possibility
of
reducing
the
size
by
four
inches?
So
you
don't
need
that
20
exception
from
the
20
inch
roll.
B
M
The
client
would
not
be
minimal
to
reducing
the
letter
the
letter
height
Unfortunately.
They
really
feel
that
this
is
what's
appropriate
for
the
space
and
for
the
brand.
M
C
Back
to
the
board,
are
there
discussions,
questions.
G
Thank
you,
chair
cuts,
just
a
few
thoughts
about
the
application.
I'm
I'm
really
grateful
for
the
clarity
of
the
applicant's
presentation.
Explanation
of
the
history-
and
you
know
this-
my
biggest
takeaway
from
from
what's
been
presented
and
what's
been
discussed,
is
that
our
ordinance
is
actually
working
to
produce
a
considered
response.
G
In
our
most
important
Civic
space
we
have,
we
have
a
set
of
rules
in
our
ordinance
that
that
prescribe
certain
conditions
and,
of
course,
as
Heather
just
mentioned,
we
have
a
exceptions,
process
I.
Think.
E
A
G
This
side-
and
we
know
that
that's
actually
impossible-
to
have
a
sign
whose
top
would
be
at
15
feet,
but
actually
consider
the
exceptions
that
are
being
presented
here
and
the
one
that's
most
powerful
to
me
and
the
one
that
I
think
you
know
is
a
place
where
our
the
intent
of
our
code
and
the
applicant's
response
intersect
is
is
in
the
idea
that
this
is
an
important
building
on
the
Plaza.
This
is
a
space
created
for
a
sign.
G
And
I
think
that
the
the
applicant's
response
here,
both
the
existing
sign
and
their
new
rebranding,
sign
both
kind
of
fit
the
bill
in
terms
of
maintaining
the
look
of
that
1950s
building,
which
which
creates
diversity
and
and
is
a
record
of
history
in
Santa,
Fe
I
am
overwhelmingly
in
favor
of
the
project.
That's
proposed.
H
18.8
I'm
sorry
14-810
is
the
subsection
H,
which
is
specific
for
the
whole
historic,
a
special
sign
regulations,
subsection
26
regarding
wall
signs,
there's
an
area
limitation
which
has
four
subsection,
but
with
respect
to
the
height
under
subsection,
A1
d,
the
code
reads:
no
sign
shall
be
permitted
to
15
feet
or
more
of
our
above
screen
grade,
measured
in
front
of
the
facade
with
the
science
to
appear
regarding
projection
Wall
height
from
ground
and
this
production
B.
It
reads:
no
wall
sign
shelf
project
more
than
three
inches
beyond
the
building
line.
H
H
That's
what
I'm
looking
at
then
there
are
specifics
regarding
the.
L
H
B
B
Yeah
there's
a
few
comments,
I
think,
but
the
comparison
to
the
building's
history
and
its
current
design,
which
has
existed
for
at
least
50
years.
It's
a
really
strong
argument.
In
favor
of
this
proposal.
The
faith
was
designed
for
a
sign
I
like
the
continuity
that
is
kept
by
preserving
a
sign
in
that
space
and
I.
H
Thank
you,
chair
cat,
so
just
to
muddy
the
history
a
little
bit,
I
guess
two
things:
I
have
seen
drawings,
meme
drawings
of
this
renovation
that
show
the
Upper
Floor
as
glass,
so
I
do
think.
The
original
intention
of
me
was
that
the
second
floor
was
a
plate.
Class
I,
don't
know
where
it
turned
into
a
blank
wall
was
a
sign,
but
that
seems
to
have
been
an
afterthought.
H
H
H
H
I
do
still,
though,
think
it's
too
big
I
think
that
the
color
is
bind
and
it
fits
your
branding
and,
as
you
pointed
out,
there's
plenty
of
similar
signage
in
the
area
with
some
very
similar
color
scheme,
and
it's
also
pointed
out
I,
don't
think
an
exception
is
required
for
color,
but
I
do
think
that
there's
no
discernible
reason
why
the
sign
needs
to
the
letters
need
to
exceed
the
height
limitation
in
the
ordinance
you're
asking
for
larger,
for
reasons
that
escape
me.
H
I
think
that
the
sign
can
be
read
from
the
Baza
and
from
the
street
very
easily
if
it
were
smaller,
but
still
at
the
height
that
you
have
it
so
I
would
I
would
be
in
favor
of
an
exception
for
the
height,
because
I
understand
that
that
portal
is
a
problem
when
you're
looking
at
upwards
from
the
street
level,
and
also
that
this
will
help
center
it
the
signage
better.
In
the
space
that
exists,
if
it
was
higher
than
allowed
under
the
ordinance.
H
But
I
would,
in
my
mind
that
solution
would
be
to
have
the
height
such
that
it's
centered
and
and
visible
from
the
street,
but
that
the
height,
the
height
of
the
sign,
but
the
height
of
the
letters
and
the
general
square
footage
of
the
signage
should
be
consistent
with
the
ordinance.
M
Just
to
give
I
believe
the
intention
of
these
the
lettering
size
and
the
area
that
is
proposed
is
to
just
a
have
a
sign,
that's
proportionate
to
the
space
space
that
was
designed
to
hold
a
sign,
and
we
do
have
a
rendering
from
mean
himself
that
showed
us
so
I,
whether
it
was
the
original
intent
or
not.
It
was
the
final
intent
and.
M
Executed
so
I
do
think
it's
important
to
honor
the
history.
Thank
you.
O
G
G
K
Chair
moving
right
along
this
property,
you
saw
at
the
last
meeting.
This
is
this:
is
a
cider
press
building?
You
read
the
case
number.
It
is
the
at
the
last
meeting,
The
Cider
press
building,
as
well
as
the
storage
garage.
It's
in
the
lower
right
photo
were
designated
contributing
along
with
the
East
and
North
river
rock
walls,
and
the
proposal
tonight
is
to
add
a
new
storage
building
on
these
Southeast
corner
of
the
lot.
K
K
The
portal
on
it
will
be
similar
to
the
existing
Studio.
It
will
have
round
Wood
posts,
squared
wood
beams
that
will
be
stained
medium
brown
and
will
also
be
similar
to
the
Studio's
exposed
wood.
The
portal
underneath
will
have
a
double
wood,
plank
wood
wood
door
without
trim,
and
the
opening
will
have
a
bullnose
detail.
K
Doors
will
be
finished
in
medium
brown
to
match
the
posts
and
beams,
and
that
would
be
Chestnut.
Transparent,
stain
yepkin
also
proposes
to
construct
a
window
feature
with
non-operable
wood
shutters
to
break
up
the
blank
wall
effect
on
that
side.
Trim
will
match
that
of
the
existing
buildings,
turquoise
blue
and
it
will
be
staying
medium,
brown
and
stucco
will
match
the
existing
cider
Pressman
building
cementatious
lra
Adobe.
No
other
changes
to
existing
build
buildings
and
yard
walls
are
proposed.
K
F
Thank
you,
chair
I,
just
want
to
note
for
our
minutes
on
the
record
that
we've
got
non-contributing
and
the
case
caption,
and
that
should
be
contributing.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
our
administrative
record
is
correct.
C
Okay,
the
applicant
please
come
forward
and
tell
us
what
you
want
to
tell
us.
D
E
E
E
Is
600
square
feet
I
think
close
to
I
have
only
one
small
change
that
I
think
anybody
would
object
to
is
I'd
like
to
lower
sorry,
usually
not
speaking
too
quietly
in
proportions
of
this
building,
with
the
with
the
existing
building
I'd
like
to
lower
it
to
ten
foot
six
which
matches
the
existing
Studio,
it
just
gives
them
better
proportions
of
the
building
and.
E
H
Bienvenue,
unless
there's
any
further
discussion
on
the
commotion
in
case
number,
two
zero:
two:
two:
zero
zero:
five:
four
seven
three
hdrb
address:
127
127
and
a
half
east
of
Argus
Street
I
moved
at
the
project.
The
that
the
proposed
project
be
approved.
Pursuances
staff's
recommendation
and
the
information
presented
tonight
assume.
C
F
All
right,
so
this
is
case
number.
F
2022-005631
htrb
and
we've
seen
this
before
it's
342,
plus
a
valentine
in
the
downtown
east
side,
historic
district.
We
make
a
very
brief
overview
overview.
Excuse
me,
because
this
is
this-
is
coming
up
for
a
second
look
at
the
primary
facades,
as
requested
by
the
applicant
and
board.
F
One
of
the
main
issues
I
think
we've
seen
is
that
we've
deter
detoured
away
from
the
way
primary
facades
were
being
designated
in
many
years
past.
After
doing
a
fair
amount
of
research,
the
primary
facades
were
often
designated
mostly
by
the
elevations.
F
This
was
presented
by
a
former
staff
member
where
we
had
a
variation
of
facades
around
the
around
the
building,
as
primary
I
took
a
a
a
longer
look
and
more
research
and
to
why
designated
a
primary
facade
might
have
been
done
this
way
and
then
how
it
should
be
revised.
F
And
that
said
this
is
the
former
map
of
the
primary
the
sauce,
and
you
can
see
on
the
house.
You
we
have
one
two,
three,
four,
five,
six,
seven
facades
that
are
designated
primary.
You
know
in
your
packet,
you
see
the
case
laid
out
for
the
West
Assad.
Being
most
of
us
are
being
made
as
primary
now
facade
number
or
west
elevation.
Excuse
me,
you
see.
18
is
not
highlighted
as
a
best
part
of
that,
an
initial
request
that
the
board
approved.
F
So
in
my
opinion,
it
became
a
really
only
reasonable
to
narrow
this
down
to
a
portion
of
the
West
facade
partially,
because
the
West
Assad
captures
more
of
that
vernacular
growth.
F
The
protecting
the
rule
of
protecting
within
5
10
feet
would
protect
a
portion
of
that
West
facade
up
North,
but
that
Northern
facade
number
18
shows
the
math
thing
which
is
in
the
non-historic
window.
So
the
case
for
that
is
really
low.
Facade
number
16
is
has
that
historic,
foretall
and
then
facade
number
12
has
a
window
and
door
pattern
that
is
repeated
on
the
other
side
and
that
picture
picture
window
Wild
and
the
windows
are
Windows
themselves
are
not
historic.
F
So
here
are
the
photographs
of
the
north
portion
down,
in
that
lower
left
hand
corner
the
central
portion
where
the
or
tall
exists,
and
then
that
Western,
that
southern
portion
is
a
little
harder
to
see.
F
We
also
stuff
also
acknowledges
that,
by
having
seven
facades
that
are
nominated
around
the
building,
that's
the
only
reason
we
would
ever
go
towards
that
direction.
If
something
is
borderlining
on
significant
and
that's
when
we
should
see
that
many
facades,
if
we
have
a
such
a
hard
time,
determining
whether
it's
contributing
versus
significant
so
in.
A
F
F
F
I
think
I'm
missing
one
there,
but
it
would
be
the
others
that
are
not
a
part
of
the
house
would
remain
so.
The
designation
would
be
for
status.
Sorry,
a
designating
the
sauce
number
12
and
16
on
the
west
elevations
primary
and
then
to
maintain
the
Assad's
number
20,
24,
27
and
28
as
primary
and.
A
N
F
So
four
is
the
wall
of
the
building,
just
the
wall
of
the
house.
Now
it
does
connect
to
the
it
connects
to
a
historic
wall,
but
you
can
see
that
this
Edition
came
along
in
the
70s,
so
it
was
a
much
lighter
addition
right
here.
The
house
grew
to
the
East,
and
so
that
is
one
case
for
for
to
maybe
not
be
a
part
of
this.
That
said,
it
does
connect
to
the
historic
yard
wall.
F
So
that's
something
for
the
board
to
consider.
It
does
have
that
character,
defining
the
yard
at
wall
into
building
piece.
So
it
is
a
later
portion
of
the
house,
but
that
being
said,
it
being
such
a
lighter
piece
with
a
portion
of
that
being
in
the
70s.
That's
the
reason
for
that.
C
D
L
Initially,
I
would
like
to
thank
staff
for
working
with
us
following
the
last
hearing
at
which
this
was
considered
to
focus
on
the
on
the
primary
facades.
Initially,
we
appreciate
staff's
recommendation.
We
agree
with
it
and
we'll
be
happy
to
stand
for
any
questions
you
have
on
this
portion
of
the
application.
Thank
you
very
much.
P
B
It
always
seems
like
whatever,
whatever
anybody
wants,
so,
let's
just
do
it
doesn't
matter
that
they
bought
the
house
knowing
what
they
got
or
what
was
already
designated
and
basically
you're,
preserving
Assad's
on
outbuildings
in
a
wall,
but
not
much
on
the
actual
house
itself
and
I
know
that
some
of
the
windows
may
be
newer,
but
the
openings
I
believe
are
primary
and
I
would
really
urge
you
to
look
at
what
is
really
characteristic
of
this
building
that
contributes
and
I
I
think
it
has
to
be
more
than
just
these
two
facades.
I
H
I
G
G
A
I
Know
that
from
the
street,
actually
you
can't
see
any
of
342,
except
for
the
top
Like
A
coping,
because
it
is
on
a
lowered
property
so
from
Plaza
Valentine.
If
you
look
over
the
wall,
all
you
can
see
is
the
very
top
of
the
brick
hoping
part
of
the
side.
So
it's
not
visible
from
the
street
and
you
have
what
they're
proposing
to
do.
We
believe
will
actually
highlight
the
significant
elements
of
the
structure
and
preserve
it
so
that
it
will
contribute
not
only
to
the
entire
city
but
to
possible.
L
Thank
you,
Vice,
chair
Cass.
If
I
could
just
respond
briefly,
I
neglected
to
mention
that
I'm
here
tonight,
with
Zach
Lawrence,
one
of
the
owners
of
the
property,
his
wife,
Julia
Platt
Lawrence,
is
out
of
state,
but
I
wanted
to
respond
to
the
initial
calm
public
comment
by
pointing
out
that
when
Zach
Leonard
excuse
me
purchased
the
house
with
Julia,
the
house
was
contributing,
but
primary
facade
said
not
been
designated.
That
happened
earlier
this
year.
As
you
know,
thank
you
very
much.
B
B
B
Sorry
we
cannot
hear
you.
Do
you
see
that
you're
speaking.
D
R
And
thank
you
again
from
the
board.
I
I
really
actually
was
participating.
The
this
evening.
We
didn't
realize
that
there
had
already
been
a
presentation
on
the
property
we
are
the
neighbors
to
the
west,
and
so
the
wall,
dividing
our
property
and
342
Plaza
Valentine
is
a
shared
wall
between
each
of
us.
So
our
perspective
is
a
little
different,
because
our
backyard
faces
the
property
in
respect
to
the
presentation
this
evening.
I
guess
my
question
would
be
in
reference
to
the
primary
facade
and
elevation
number
28.
That
was
one
of
our
questions.
R
That's
a
very
old
decorative
portal,
with
the
Kiva
in
the
corner
and
the
reference
to
the
elevation
is
primarily
a
parapet.
So
it
was
a
question
of
ours
as
to
what
the
intention
was
of
that
element,
which
seems
to
be
significant
in
reference
to
a
primary
elevation
this
evening.
R
That
was
one
of
the
questions
that
we
had
and
the
others
that
we
had,
which
may
not
be
anything
that
we
can
bring
up
at
this
point
is
we
would
like
to
know
where
the
condenser
units
are
being
planned
to
be
located,
because
the
back
of
our
property
is
our
bedrooms,
and
our
hope
is
that
they're
not
going
to
be
up
against
that
West
wall,
because
they'd
be
very
disruptive
to
us
in
our
bedrooms
and
our
rear
patio
in
the
evenings,
with
doors
open
and
also
during
the
day,
if
we're
trying
to
have
some
peace
and
quiet.
R
The
other
third
item
that
we
had
as
a
question
was
where
the
primary
power
service
is
to
the
property
and
where
the
telephone
pole
is
located
to
receive
the
service.
Since
the
house
is
increasing
in
footage,
it's
important
to
us.
We
know
there's
an
existing
poll
in
the
northwest
corner,
which
is
where
our
walls
come
together.
That
is
simply
a
relay
currently
for
communication
wires,
but
not
any
active
power
lines
and
we
are
concerned
about
any
power
lines
that
may
be
run
that
may
be
behind
our
property.
R
D
C
R
C
Well,
that
elevation
is
gonna
they're,
asking
that
it
be
primary,
and
so,
if
they're
going
to
do
anything
with
it,
that
would
be
the
next
case.
C
Saying
it
will
be,
it
will
be
primary
elevation,
it
will
be,
you
know,
it
won't
be
changed.
Okay,.
R
C
G
Remember
Guida
in
case
2022-005631,
hdrb
342,
positive,
Valentine,
I,
move
that
the
board
approved
the
status
and
designated
facade
recommendations
per
staff
report.
Those
are
facades,
12,
16,
20,
24,
27
and
28..
B
C
F
Hey
thank
you,
chair,
I'm,
just
going
to
pick
up
where
I
left
off
kind
of
in
sequence.
Here
all
right,
so
we
have
about
a
little
over
700
square
foot.
Addition
to
the
main
house
is
being
proposed.
F
I
always
do
this
is
case:
number
2022005161,
hdrb,
okay,
here's
the
I
mean
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
don't
skip
over
this.
So
these
are
the
changes
to
the
Casita,
there's
no
exception
being
requested
around
the
cathedral
or
the
carport.
But
there's
the
the
plans
proposed
and
existing.
F
F
Okay,
so
the
front
so
our
exception,
our
main
exceptions
that
we're
looking
at
are
addition
within
10
feet
of
the
primary
facade
and
here's
where
that's
South
elevation
is
note
that
there's
a
some
ironwork
detailing
over
here
and
a
gate
attached
to
the
house
there.
F
Okay
in
this
west
elevation,
so
this
is
where
we're
looking
at
the
primary
facades.
This
is
so
you
can
see
that
the
openings
and
the
openings
through
the
doors
and
windows
would
remain.
There
would
be
an
increase
to
the
parapet,
height
and
opening
change
here,
so
that
would
be
adding
a
new
opening
and
then
the
replacement
of
the
portal
here
when
those
changes
and
you're
seeing
the
north
Edition
there.
F
So
this
is
where
most
of
the
ex
this
is
where
this
the
exceptions
come
into
place
and
there
are
for
making
a
new
opening
new
for
addition
to
or
within
10
feet
of
a
primary
facade
and
then
that
replacing
of
that
portal
now
the
other
exception
was
for
the
gate,
making
that
new
opening
of
the
gate
that
you
saw
over
here.
F
F
Here
are
the
proposed
here's.
The
proposal
for
the
carport.
F
F
The
ground
HVAC
will
be
ground
mounted
behind
the
wall,
so
not
publicly
visible.
All
portals
will
have
brick
floors.
The
house
will
have
Colonial
white
wood
windows,
the
exterior
of
the
house
will
be
Buckskin
stucco,
which
would
will
closely
match
the
exterior
stucco
that
exists
now
and
then
the
gates
are
wrought
fire
so
that
I'm.
F
L
Thank
you
again,
chair
cat
Vice,
chair
Cass
members
of
the
board.
Again,
I
want
to
express
appreciation
for
the
opportunity
to
work
with
staff.
We
have
worked
hard
to
preserve
the
West
facade,
as
Carly
mentioned,
facades,
12
and
16,
leaving
those
substantially,
as
is
I
just
wanted
to
say
a
few
words
about
the
portal.
That's
the
one
area
that
we
weren't
on
the
same
page
with
respect
to
Carly's
recommendation.
L
I
want
to
point
out
that
the
existing
portal
of
decking
is
pointed
out,
and
this
is
the
portal
that
we
want
to
expand
to
the
west
of
facade
16
and
that's
what
my
pictures
address.
The
hcpi
indicates
that
the
existing
quartile
of
decking
is
not
historic.
If
you
look
at
the
photo
of
the
of
the
elevation
of
Port
of
portal,
the
portal
and
facade
16,
you
can
see
that
the
existing
portal
is
between
four
and
five
feet
wide.
L
Also,
on
the
other
photo
the
detail.
It's
at
the
upper
left
hand
corner
of
the
portal
as
you're
looking
at
it
today.
That's
a
photo
we
took
recently
you
can
see
that
the
portal
is
not
built
properly
or
is
very
well
designed,
I
think
that
is
properly
taken
into
account.
The
proposal
would
replace
the
portal
with
a
properly
constructed
larger
portal
and
I'll
also
point
out
that
the
portal
is
not
visible
from
any
public
location
in
working
on
these
revisions.
L
As
I
said,
the
applicant
committed
to
maintaining
the
sanctity
of
the
western
facades,
12
and
16
to
the
extent
feasible,
and
we
would
submit
that
the
portal
expansion
would
not
change
or
detract
from
the
West
facade,
the
facade
would
remain,
as
is
substantially
so.
With
that
we'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
Mr
Martinez
wants
to
respond
to
the
questions
that
we
received
earlier
from
applicant
will
stand
for
any
questions.
Thank
you
all
right,
Mr
chairman.
C
P
Hello,
chairman
board
members,
I
want
to
respond
to
the
questions
of
the
Nathan:
oh
I'm,
sorry,
Richard,
Martinez,
PO,
Box,
925,
Santa,
Fe,
New,
Mexico.
P
First
of
all,
the
the
electrical
surface
existing
and
the
one
that
we
we're
gonna
we're
gonna,
leave
it
where
it
is.
It
exists
on
the
east
side
of
the
property,
not
by
not
by
the
poll
that
the
neighbor
was
talking
about.
We
will
have
a
round
mounted
Mini
Splits,
but
those
will
not
be
near
the
wall
that
she's
that
she
was
concerned
with
were.
P
Be
they're
going
to
be
around
the
house
not
on
the
west,
on
the
west
side
of
the
of
the
property,
because
there
is
no.
There
is
no
heated
or
cooled
space
there,
and
so
we
we
will.
P
It
will
be
on
our
property,
but
they
won't
be
against
the
wall
that
she
was
concerned
with
so
and
and
also
it
is
true
that
we
have
a
patio
behind
the
Casita
which
does,
which
is
on
the
other
side
of
the
wall,
where
their
yard
is,
but
that
patio
will
not
be
used
for
storage
for
the
enjoyment
of
the
of
the
owners.
P
We
have
a
door
on
this
on
that
side
of
the
Casita
so
that
we
can
use
that
patio
as
a
little
private
space
for
the,
where
the
receipt
that
we're
also
planning
to
do
no
work
accept
restoration
as
as
as
necessary
for
the
the
old
portal.
The
Mirador
as
I
would
say,
because
it's
a
it's
a
of
portal
that
is
not
attached
to
the
house.
P
The
picture
that
is
Carly
is
putting
up
on
this
sketch
right
now,
I
mean
on
the
screen
right
now.
That's
the
portal
that
exists
over
that
facade,
16
and,
as
you
can
see
there,
it
consists
of
a
beam
that
is
sideways
because
the
Headroom
is
so
low
that
you
couldn't
fit
the
beam,
the
way
that
it
should
be,
and
that's
why
it's
wider
than
it
is
tall
and
then
above
that
are
two
by
fours,
not
Vegas,
or
anything
like
that,
and
then
above.
P
That
is
some
unfinished
wood
and
we're
proposing
that
all
that
would
go
away
and
that
the
portal
would
actually
lead
to
the
other
side
of
the
window
that
you
can
barely
see
a
little
part
of
in
this
Photograph.
So.
P
It
both
for
both
for
for
the
kitchen
that
exists
right
inside
the
store,
the
barbecue
and
and
eating
table
would
be
in
this.
C
Thank
you,
okay,
member
Guida,
I
believe
has
questions
for
the
applicant.
G
Thank
you,
Richard
I
I
really
appreciate
the
the
drawings
and
the
thoughtfulness
in
the
design.
If
we
were
to
look
at
the
west
elevation,
you
know
I.
Think
what's
clear
to
me
is
that
the
the
new
opening
in
that
southern
mass
in.
G
You
know:
I
know
that
the
new
Portales
on
the
south
side
of
the
building,
the
short
end
of
it,
will
be
visible
on
the
west
facade,
but
it
is
differentiated
in
plain.
You.
G
G
When
we
get
to
the
the
portal,
though
I
think
you
know,
my
only
concern
really
is
about
these
columns.
We,
we,
you
know
it's
very
clear-
that
you're
recreating
the
portal.
E
G
A
G
The
addition
of
the
of
these
kind
of
territorial
style
columns
seems
to
be
at
a
place
for
for
that
facade,
what
we're
recognizing
as
a
kind
of
very
informal
type
development
over
time
there
and
so
to
me.
My
only
objection
would
be
the
elimination
of
those
posts
and
and
I'm
wondering
if
it's
possible
for
that
to
happen
and
and
for
that
portal
to
still
be
supported
by
a
beam.
That's
pocketed
into
the
two
walls
on
either
side.
A
P
The
the
the
columns
that
you're
talking
about
happen
all
over
the
place.
This
is
not
an
isolated
event.
This
is
part
of
it
and
the,
and
the
intention
was
to
replicate
the
territorial
style
that
is
highlighted
by
the
existing
brick
coping
on
on
the
building
itself,
but
it
is
possible
I
think
it
is
possible
to
do
the
to
do
the
portal
without
columns.
Yes,
good.
G
A
G
Okay
and
and
to
me
the
other
exception,
which
is
the
new
open,
the
entry
opening
and
the
in
the
contributing
wall
I
think
that's
being
done
in
a
very
sensitive.
E
G
You
know
replicating
some
of
the
coping
details
that
are
part
of
that
wall
you're
just
providing
us
with
a
taller
gate
entry
that.
P
Was
my
intention
and
also
you
know,
we're
creating
a
new
entryway
because
right
now
you
go
inside
and
around
the
house
which
is
inconvenient,
and
then
you
go
through
the
door
under
the
portal
that
we're
talking
about.
P
Now
and
but
my
intention
was
to
fit
into
the
wall,
this
is
existing
the
historic
wall
and
also
to
make
the
opening
visually
open.
So
that's
why
I
was
proposing
an.
A
G
G
You
know,
I
think
the
kind
of
additions
to
this
house
are
consistent
with
the
way
that
this
property
has
evolved
over
time.
So
I'm
I'm
I'm,
a
fan
of
the
of
the
proposal.
C
Other
questions
for
the
applicant
okay:
this
is
a
public
hearing.
If
someone
from
the
public
wishes
to
talk,
please
come
forward.
B
Stephanie
Bennett
excuse
me:
Stephanie,
benanato,
I,
don't
think
the
three
French
doors
really
go
with
that
house
I
think
it
really
overwhelms
that
particular
facade
and
again
it
doesn't
seem
to
work
with
any
of
the
other
facades
I
getting
it
at
this
portal.
I
thought
the
portal
was
on
the
sub-16
that
they
were
adding
on
to
and
again
an
eight
foot
portal
as
opposed
to
a
five
foot.
Four
tall,
I
I,
don't
know
just
a
barbecue
outside
we
should
give
an
exception.
B
So
if
somebody
can
barbecue
outside
it
seems
a
little
bit.
Much
and
I
know
it
has
a
wall
around
it,
but
walls
are
not
permanent
and
you
are
not
supposed
to
consider.
Well,
you
can't
see
it
so.
Therefore
you
could
do
whatever
you
want
and
I
I
think
that's
really
important
to
keep
in
mind
in
these
types
of
cases.
B
Also
Mini
Splits
they're,
my
like
favorite
at
Noir
in
that
they're
very
loud,
and
they
are
very
disturbing
and
I
I
I
I
heard
it
was
going
to
be,
although
on
the
near
16
on
on
that
primary
facade,
so
I
would
like
to
know
in
relation
to
the
primary
facades
where
the
mini
slips
are
going
to
be
I
think
we
should
really
look
at
many
splits,
not
you
that
this
board,
but
the
council
in
terms
of
screening
them
to
some
extent,
so
we
don't
have
to
see
them
on
top
of
roofs
and
we
don't
have
to
hear
them
coming
out
of
other
people's
yards,
but
that's
a
whole
other
discussion.
G
G
E
G
Case
2022-005161
htrb,
342,
Plaza,
Valentine
I,
move
that
the
board
approved
the
project
as
submitted,
noting
that
the
exception
criteria
has
been
met
for
all
changes
to
primary
facades
and
inclusive
of
the
portal
on
the
west
facade,
with
the
only
direction
to
the
applicant
to
be
to
eliminate
the
territorial
posts
that
are
proposed
for
the
West
facade.
The
portal
on
the
west
facade.
B
H
G
C
K
This
is,
this
is
a
primary
facade,
designation
case.
K
This
home
is
850
square
feet.
It's
a
one
story,
long
and
narrow
Adobe
structure
that
was
built
between
1929
and
1934,
designated
contributing.
It
is
a
simple
rectangular
residence
built
in
the
Spanish
Pueblo
vernacular
Style,
with
a
flat
roof,
metal,
cannolis,
Adobe
walls
and
a
rounded
parapet.
It
sits
on
the
East
properly
and
of
the
property
line
of
the
driveway
easement
that
leads
to
the
neighboring
houses
up
South
of
the
lane.
A
K
Original
t-shaped,
Door
and
Window
configuration
where
the
door
is
flanked
by
two
connected
Windows,
Each
of
which
are
six
light.
Wood
casements.
This
simple
configuration
that
combines
one
door
and
two
windows
in
one
opening
verse
three
is
commonly
found
in
vernacular
buildings
in
the
downtown.
In
the
east
side,
historic
district,
it
is
relative.
It's
relatively
low
height.
Another
of
its
distinctive
vernacular
features,
is
10
feet
at
its
North
elevation
facing
Canyon
Road.
The
fact
that
it's
there
and
decreases
the
height
decreases
to
seven
feet.
Six
inches
at
the
back
of
the
house.
K
K
Previous
alterations
are
not
evident
by
City
Records,
although
it
underwent
the
window
replacements,
it's
not
on
the
national
or
state
Register.
However,
the
city's
historic
building
status
map
indicates
it
is
contributing.
2003
historic
survey
indicates
that
it
is
contributing
to
the
downtown
and
East
Side
historic
district.
K
K
This
is
the
the
site
plan
floor
plan
with
the
two
recommended
primary
facades
and
I'll
finish.
This
report
detailing
that
and
I
think
that's
the
last
of.
K
I
found
that
the
building
retains
its
historic
character
and
integrity
as
it's
expressed
through
its
simple
rectangular
building
on
below,
if
it's
low,
height
flat
roof
and
siding
for
a
second
Madre
merges
with
Canyon
Road,
the
houses
scale
and
original
low
Adobe
yard
wall
was
Stone
base
that
lines
the
asakia
our
characteristic
of
historic,
Canyon
Road
in
particular,
the
North
elevation's
Front
entries,
t-shaped,
Door
and
Window.
Configuration
continues
to
con
continues
to
convey
its
original
historic
presence.
K
I,
don't
have
a
photo
of
that
I
didn't
have
time
but
wanted
to
pull
one
off
Google
before
the
meeting
and
look.
K
G
K
Thank
you
for
the
question.
We're
gonna
see
we're
going
to
see
the
photograph
right.
K
So
I
will
respond
to
your
question
now
that
we
have
the
visual
in
front
of
us.
The
garage
still
projects
the
garage
aspect
of
it,
because
the
inset
is
still
there
of
the
garage
door,
the
original
garage
door
and
the
lentil.
So
that
was
a
garage
and
although
it's
been
altered,
still
reaches
the
garage
today.
F
K
F
Chair
a
members
of
the
board,
so
another
thing:
that's
not
quite
noticeable
from
this
photographed,
so
there's
bull
nosing
that
goes
in
towards
the
garage
door.
So
it's
still
apparent.
The
other
aspects
are
that
roof
line
is
quite
undulating.
It
is,
it
does
have
nicely
battered
Adobe
walls
to
it
so
other
than
the
addition,
the
like
the
infill
that
could
be
taken
away
and
a
pretend
the
addition
of
a
door
was
the
likely
edition
of
a
door.
On
that
other
side.
There
I
believe
that
let's
see
East
Side,
yes
it.
F
It
really
retains
its
character.
It
might
be
a
very
simple
form,
but
it
is
that
nicely
weird
sloping
parapet
line
and
hand.
Crafted
look
that
also
you
see
in
the
house
and
I'm
just
going
to
make
one
more
clarification.
So
the
steel
and
I
think
it
just
wasn't
very
clear.
In
the
staff
report,
the
replace
the
vinyl
windows
are
on
those
two
over
two
very
territorial
style.
Looking
vinyl
windows,
the
steel
casement
window,
that
is
still
steel,
casement
window
original
windows.
F
F
Now
it's
Adobe
the
you
see
the
way,
it's
very,
not
very
standardized
it
points
to
that
time.
Period,
I
wouldn't
go
any
farther
than
1960
on
that,
based.
H
On
we're
talking
about
the
infill
of
the
garage.
H
A
K
P
K
H
My
other
question
Angela
is
on
the
the
East
elevation
of
the
main
house.
The
driveway
try.
H
I
certainly
understand
why
you
focused
on
the
elevation
that
faces
Canyon,
Road
and
a
succinctive
features,
but
Eastern
elevation
facing
the
driveway
is
extraordinarily
characteristic
of
that
style
of
house
in
that
area.
At
that
time
period
it
looks
like
a
very
little
change
over
the
years,
so
just
curious
what
your
thoughts
were
and
not
proposing
that
as
primary.
K
Yeah
thanks
for
the
question,
while
that
facade
does
typify
long
rectangular,
Adobe
structures
along
along
those
Lanes
I,
believe
that
the
the
addition
of
the
vinyl
windows
really
detracts
from
the
overall
facade.
K
And
that
different,
the
difference
between
those
as
well
and
with
the
steel
casement
I
think
has
changed
the
character
of
at
least
the
north
side
north
end
of
that
that
building
so
that
it
doesn't
warrant
a
primary
facade
designation
by
my
reading.
E
K
F
Carly
sure
the
chair
members
of
the
board,
the
one
I
did
want
to
add
something
there.
A
D
A
F
I
was,
and
before,
switching
that
over,
so
that,
if
you
look
closely
at
that
wall,
while
those
windows
have
been
changed,
the
two
more
territorial
style,
windows
and
and
components
around
the
Windows
like
the
window
details,
there
are
some
machine
cuts.
F
Territorial
windows
they're
also
a
stall-cut
piece
in
there,
so
it
appears
that
some
of
that
is
still
those
openings
are
historic,
Windows
may
not
be
minus
the
or
or
our
brother.
They
are
not
minus
the
still
casement
window.
The
door
is
also
a
replacement
door.
That
said,
the
wall
is
a
you
know:
the
Wall's
nicely
battered
wall,
it's
very
long
and
for
these
very
narrow
streets,
it's
indicative
of
that
kind
of
land
planning,
or
rather
lock
thereof
in
building
on
what
you
have.
It
has
those
deep
Canales.
F
So
there
are
aspects
of
this
building
that
are
they're
still
there
and
nicely
historic
features
and
oftentimes.
We
don't
look
closely
enough,
I
think
at
the
walls,
and
so
it's
something
the
board
should
consider
on
whether
or
not
to
designate
this
side
that
that,
if
we
looked
at
every
building
in
the
downtown
east
side,
that
we've
replaced
the
windows
on
and
named
them
and
then
name
them
non-contributing
based
on
the
Windows
alone.
I
C
C
I'm,
sorry,
oh,
oh
dear
I
got
ahead
of
myself.
Didn't
I!
Okay,
the
applicant!
Please
come
forward.
Sorry.
D
J
J
A
J
As
they
could
afford
at
the
time,
you
know
this
house
originally
started
off
as
a
two-room
house
and
then
there's
evidence
that
the
back
portion
of
the
house
was
then
added
on
to
later,
because
there
was
a
solid
Adobe
walled
in
the
center
of
the
building.
J
The
the
what
we're
calling
the
garage
at
the
back
of
the
space
is
actually
because
we
can
call
it
cortito,
which
wasn't
really
a
garage.
It
was
a
work
room
probably
had
two
wooden
doors
because
the
it's
actually
cinder
block
construction
and
there's
a
wall
with
a
door
in
between.
So
it's
not
one
large
space.
It
was
always
intended,
as
it
was
probably
boot
storage,
maybe
at
one
point
and
then
maybe
a
place
where
someone
did.
J
A
J
Is
a
metal
door
that
was
put
in
probably
in
the
90s.
The
the
latest
addition
to
this
house
was
in
the
90s,
where
they've
actually
added
they
changed
the
root
structure
they
put
in
New
Vegas,
they're,
much
larger
Vehicles,
not
typical
of
a
house
that
size
of
that
time
period.
You
can
see
that
in
the
parapet
it
if
you
look
at
the
photographs
of
some
of
the
parapets,
especially
on
that
West
Wall
you'll
notice.
If
there's
a
bulge
at
the.
E
A
J
J
We
do
respect
the
you
know
the
North
facade
facing
the
park
with
the.
J
Really
interesting,
t-shaped
opening
and
we'd
like
to
retain
that.
What
I'd
like
to
request,
though,
is
that
the
existing
door,
that
and
windows
that
are
there
are
in
such
disrepair
as
well
as
the
door
jambs
and
the
frames
that
don't
have
all
been
rotted
out,
there's
been
a
doggy
door.
That's
been
added
to
the
bottom
of
this
French
door.
J
You
know
a
piece
of
plywood,
so
it's
just
it's
just
gone
through
a
lot
of
different
sort
of
levels
of
people,
changing
the
house
in
little
ways
and
it's
sort
of
become
the
sort
of
sort
of
mishmash,
so
Our
intention.
The
client's
intention
is
to
really
take
it
back
to
something
that
really
sort
of
you
know:
Northern
New,
Mexico
or
shotgun,
building
with
consistent
windows,
and
you
know
all
handmade
doors
locally
to
this
building.
C
J
C
B
I'll
do
that.
Thank
you
in
case
number,.
H
C
F
We
will
be
looking
at
case,
as
you
said
case,
2022s,
zero,
zero,
five,
four,
six,
five
hdrb-
and
that
is
located
all
right
at
333,
West,
Manhattan
Street.
It
is
then
the
historic
transition
district
and.
D
F
May
have
misread
that
I
may
have
misspoke
and
called
it
a
different,
a
different
District
today
at
the
field
trip
itself,
just
to
make
sure
we're
all
clear.
So
we
are
looking
at
a
house
and
a
a
little
structure
in
front
I'm,
not
going
to
call
it
a
garage
because
this
knot
and
hasn't
been
so.
This
is
the
South.
This
is
the
South
elevation
of
fronts
for
Street.
F
Historic
window
on
the
right
side
there
and
then
we've
got
aluminum
slider
and
a
and
a
door
there
on
the
left.
So
this
is
a
New
Mexico,
it's
a
Northern
New
Mexico
style
and
our
hcpi.
We
call
it
a
vernacular
style,
but
we
consider
this
really
that
Tao
Style
So,
based
on
based
on
our
Sanborn
maps
and
newspaper
archives.
We
can
date
it
to
just
about
1920,
but
definitely
not
1921.
F
When
the
there
were
advertisements
for
the
guest
house
in
the
front
and
it
was
owned
by
a
woman
who
seems
to
be
from
Taos
New
Mexico.
This
is
the
West
facade
of
the
main
house
and
you
can
see
another
historic
window
and
it's
kind
of
a
bit
of
a
repeat
of
the
facade
and
then
there's
this
porch
Edition
on
the
back.
F
I'm
just
going
to
make
note
of
that
North
facade
here
and
this
we'll
discuss
that
in
just
a
moment
the
East
facade
has
many
historic
Windows
on
it
and
it
is
right
there
close
to
the
property
line
and
well
here's
the
guest
house.
This
is
the
facade
that
we
are
Steph
is
recommending
as
primary.
F
And
as
I
stated,
the
guest
house
in
newspaper
articles
was
advertised
in
1921,
but
you
can
see
there's
historic
Windows
here,
but
not
the
door
is
a
replacement
door
on
the
front
there
and
there's
a
simple
building
with
a
shed
root
and
it
was
built
at
the
same
time
as
the
house.
F
Okay,
in
older
photos.
You
can
see
this
the
texturing
of
the
Adobe
there
and
your
pack
is
probably
more
visible,
but
the
the
house
really
started
as
an
L
shape
with
a
little
infill
of
a
portal
right
about
here
and
then
grew
in
the
right
around
the
late,
60s
I
know:
I
wouldn't
go
to
1970
to
infill
and
add
on
more
of
a
porch.
That's
screened
in
Porsche
is
right
here.
So
that's
the
change
of
the
footprint
and
then
staff
is
really
recommending
the
South
facade
as
the
primary
facade.
F
Now
there
is
the
West
facade
with
the
board,
the
staff
felt
it
was
a
really
a
repeat
and
the
addition
to
a
10
foot
with
an
attend
and
within
10
feet
of
the
primary
facade.
Rather,
that
rule
also
protects
this
Gable
and
that's
the
idea
that
we
always
protect
when
we
have
our
gable
roof
like
this,
that
we
protect
that
profile
line
if
that
makes
sense.
So
what
we're
looking
at
is
when
we
look
at
the
front
of
the
house
on
the
south
that
we
capture
both
Gables.
D
E
E
B
C
E
F
F
We
saw
it
for
a
status
review
in.
F
Couple
of
months-
and
it
was
while
it
is
a
single
family-
the
building's
hype
is
a
single
family
house.
It's
always
been
used
as
a
business.
I
just
want
to
bring
us
to
back
to
that
context
and
that
it
is
the
dongasvar
area,
historic
district,
that's
Linda
glow,
and
then
it
faces
the
Doncaster
Avenue
and
West
San
Francisco
Avenue
there
are
here,
are
some
of
our
photographs
again
I'm,
just
going
to
point
out
the
roof.
It's
one
of
the
primary
changes
that
we're
looking
at
tonight
is
to
replace
that
roof.
F
I
will
note
that
the
the
sister
of
this
house,
the
other
twin
it
did
have
a
roof
replacement,
and
that
is
what
the
applique
one
of
the
components
of
the
application
are.
That
does
not,
while
they're
our
requests
for
exceptions
given
by
the
applicant
by
those
came
in
at
the
same
time,
or
just
about
the
same
time
as
the
roof
assessment,
and
after
looking
at
the
roof
assessment,
our
exception
was
then
peeled
back
and
not
required
by
staff
due
to
the
fact
that
they
offered
the.
A
F
Of
the
rotted
roof
decking
in
that
material,
so
the
way
that
code
reads
especially
also
with
the
windows.
If
all
windows
are
shown
to
be
yond
repair,
we
don't
have
to
request
an
exception.
It
does
need
to
go
to
the
board,
it
is
replacement
of
historic
material,
oh
and
or
if
it
is
not
being
replaced
in
kind.
F
A
F
Next
part
of
this
request
is
to
replace
all
the
non-historic
windows
with
wood
placement
windows
and
in
kind,
so
there
are
windows,
specs
and
brochures
in
the
packet
there's
also
a
window
assessment,
and
so
the
next
portion
of
this
is
to
replace
all
historic
windows
that
are
rated
unsatisfactory
by
the
window.
Equipment
and
they're
to
be
replaced
with
the
mostly
with
the
double
hung:
wood
casement
windows.
But
there
are
some
that
are
also
to
be
replaced
in
kind,
but
they're,
slightly
different
shape.
F
And
then,
let's
see,
I
just
want
to
point
to
the
windows.
Assessor
defines
unsatisfactory
as
having
all
sashes
frames,
casings
and
casing
numbers
to
be
more
than
30
to
40
percent
deterioration
that
aligns
with
our
code
that
also
aligns
internally
with
how
staff
has
interpreted
cannot
be
repaired
because,
typically,
we
see,
as
every
piece
has
to
be
degraded
up
to
the
level
30
percent
or
more
okay.
F
The
next
piece
is
to
remove
the
west
and
back
porch.
The
request
was
made
from
staff
to
have
a
historian
analyze
the
porch
in
the
back.
Now
this
the
language
that
was
used
by
the
historian
was
that
maybe
well
it
may
be.
It
was
non-harmonious,
so
it
may
be
historic,
but
it
was
seen
as
long
harmonious,
and
that
is
so.
We
we
know
it's
not
historic.
Here's
the
Sanborn
maps
that
show
some
different
a
much
smaller
shape,
but
it
appears
that
it
could
be
historic.
So
it's
kind
of
on
that
line.
F
Okay,
and
so
that
replacement
that
is
being
proposed
is
to
have
some
similar
wood
posts,
but
to
be
in
keeping
with
the
rest
of
the
building
and
to
have
a
shed
for
you
to
be
a
larger.
It
should
be.
It
is
to
extend
all
the
way
to
this
portion
of
the
house
and
we'll
go
to
the
drawings
here
and,
while
I'm
on
this
Photograph
the
hand.
This
handicap
ramp
is
to
be
removed
as
well
and
part
of
this
porch
Edition.
That
expands
to
the
link
this
entire
length
of
the
porch.
A
F
F
A
F
Okay,
so
the
exception
request
still
stays
in
place
despite
the
historian's
letter,
because
we
are
replacing
this
material.
F
The
fact
that
a
historian
says
it's
not
harmonious,
it's
not
quite
enough
to
contribute
to
bypass
that
code,
but
it
is
enough
to
bring
four
to
the
board
more
information
to
really
make
a
grounded
decision.
So
with
that
said,
the
staff
finds
that.
A
F
Exception
criteria
have
been
mapped
on
this
proposal
and
then
we
approve
the
application
or
recommend
the
application,
but
with
one
or
with
the
condition
that
they're
wrought
iron
gate,
the
black
wrought
iron
and
not
painted
to
match
the
stucco.
So
this
is
just
an
item
of
wrought
iron
gates
typically
aren't
painted
at
least
not
in
that
time
period.
So
that
was
one
item
that
staff
felt
that
it
was
important
to
recommend
a
condition
for
otherwise
that
we
recommend
approval,
and
that
includes
the
presentation.
C
The
packet
mentions
something
about
the
posts
on
the
back
porch.
Is
that
still
something
that
you
want
to
raise.
A
F
Oh
so
the
the
issue
here
is
just
that
we
there
that's
a
bit
of
more
of
a
modern
detail
that
something
might
the
board
might
consider
the
the
course
the
porch
post
going
all
the
way
to
that
edge.
That
inset
is
a
little
bit
more
common.
The
house
itself
has
an
inset
for
all
of
the
roof.
Details
come
over
it
over
the
walls
and
would
have
for
the
porch
as
well.
So
that's
just
one
area
to
note
that
also
might
be
considered.
G
I,
do
yes,
Carly
is
I'm
not
seeing
in
the
packet
an
indication
of
where
the
yard.
F
It
should
be
on
the
site
plan
itself
and
then
there's
a
detail
for
the
there's.
A
d
oh
I,
didn't
put
the
detail
in
I
can
pull
up
the
packet,
but
there's
a
detail
for
the
yard
wall
and
then
the
location
of
the
yard
wall.
Basically,
that
is
in
the
notes.
This
application
did
get
updated
a
few
times
as
we
work
to
bring
it
closer
into
compliance
so
but
I
think
based
because
we're
also
looking
at
a
very
small
drawing
on
my
screen.
G
A
F
Okay,
so
yes,
item
number
three
I
knew
it
was
by
for
the
items
in
the
call
out.
So
you
can
see
a
very
tiny
item
number
three.
So
we
have
it
along
all
along
this
side
and
we're
looking
at
all
along
the
side.
But
the
stopping
point.
F
F
G
And
two
other
questions:
is
there
any
work
being
proposed
to
the
studio
building.
F
H
Yes,
just
following
up
on
the
wall
issue,
is
there
what's
before
us
exactly
on
that
it's
within
the
height
it's.
F
F
It
should
really
go
to
the
board
as
part
of
the
package
and
I
think
there
were.
You
have
in
your
packet
photographs
of
the
streetscape.
There
were
likely
there
were
likely
picket
fences
in
other
walls
like
that,
but
not
not
necessarily
stuck
a
wall
in
this
property
right.
E
H
That
jumped
out
of
me,
too,
that
was
very
delicately
phrased
in
the
historian's
letter
that
they're
not
common,
but
there's
precedent
for
them.
But
that
still
begs
the
question
to
me:
what
we
do
with
that
information,
because
it's
allowed
right
how?
How
could
that
not
be
allowed?
Would
there
be
a
provision
in
the
code
not.
A
F
Not
there's
not
a
provision
of
the
code
codes
we're
looking
at
this
space,
that
embodies,
which
is
really
a
different
kind
of
a
loose
translation,
translation,
I
thought.
Also
you
would
you
can
I
mean
the
one
way
we're
really
reading
it.
A
staff
is
we're
looking
at
the
streetscape
yeah,
so
this
was
a
a
cluster
of
buildings
that
was
built
by
an
Italian-American
Widow,
and
this
was
always
meant
to
be
a
business
and
it
is
surrounded
by
businesses,
some
that
do
you
know
there
are
one
side
of
the
street.
F
Now
several
walls
Earth
one
end
of
the
street
rather
and
then
the
other
doesn't
so
just
something
to
consider
as
the
board
as
part
of
this
overall
package.
Okay,.
B
C
I
have
a
question
about
the
sister.
Also
is
the
roof
quite
shiny.
F
It
is
fairly
shiny,
it
hasn't
aged
at
all.
It
is
it's
the
same.
What's
on
that
is
this.
The
proposal
in
front
of
you
tonight
is
the
same
material
that
is
on
that
rear.
Now
it
was
replaced
just.
F
Later
than
2010,
so
so
it's
fairly
recent.
C
A
F
A
I
I
based
on
the
product
and
the
specification
I
I,
don't
know
that
for
sure,
but
that
it's
a
good
question
if
it
can
be
a
brushed
finish
or
a
further
something.
That's
not
gown
about
so.
C
Thank
you.
Okay
with
the
applicant
come
forward,
get
sworn
in
and
present.
D
Q
I'm
Kevin
George's
214,
Truman,
Street,
Northeast,
Albuquerque,
New,
Mexico
I'm,
the
architect
for
the
project.
Thank.
C
Q
Q
Q
Q
A
G
Q
C
C
A
G
Thank
you,
chair
cats,
so
I
I
guess
for
the
benefit
of
discussion.
I
have
a
few
issues
with
the
project,
as
proposed
I
mean
I.
G
The
issue
of
completeness
of
the
drawings
for
the
for
the
rear
porch
needs
to
be
addressed,
because
what
I'm,
what
I'm
seeing
now
is
not
does
not
constitute
a
full
design
for
the
purposes
of
this
board.
I
I
have
no
problem
with
removing
the
existing
ports.
I
feel
like
it
isn't
unsympathetic
to
the
to
the
existing
house,
the
one
that
is
proposed
overall
in
its
kind
of
form
and
its
mass
I
think
better
suits
the
house,
but
I
think
for
this
board
to
approve
it.
G
Given
it's
public
visibility
and
given
the
status
of
this
house,
we
would
need
to
see
a
fuller
presentation
of
what
is
intended.
I
think
right
now,
there's
just
not
enough
detail
either
in
the
placement
of
those
columns
relative
to
the
perimeter
of
the
root
porch
roof
structure,
the
spacing
of
those
columns
which
seems
overly
tight
and
the
expression
of
the
the.
G
Just
needs
more
drawings,
for
us
to
to
consider
I
think
would
would
be
an
appropriate
Choice
again.
You
know
this
old.
This
Portugal
it'll
be
very
obvious
that
it's
of
this
time
and
not
you
know
we're
not
trying
to
trick
anybody
that
it
was
built
with
the
house,
but
it
does
need
to
be
in.
L
G
E
G
L
G
At
least
on
the
drawing
of
around
the
gate
and
stuff,
this
is
simple:
it's
not!
It's
got
a
rounded
top,
it's
not
a
brick
coping
or
anything
like
that.
I
am
not
seeing
how
this
is
an
appropriate
wall
material
for
the
style
of
this
particular
house.
So
it
seemed
to
me
that
you
know
more
appropriate
for
a
Spanish,
popular
Revival
house
or
or
that
we
see
Elsewhere
on
the
screen.
G
I
think
a
lot
of
the
examples
show
that
there
are
some
photos
of
other
yard
walls
that
have
more
brick
detailing,
but
the
coping
and
just
more
brick
expression
with
stucco,
which
you
know
is
the
Santa
Fe
default.
But
you
know
just
the
kind
of
alignment
of
Stucco
and
this
brick
house
seems
to
be
a
bit
curious
to
me.
G
You
know:
there's
a
photo
of
a
small
section
of
picket
wood.
Picket,
fencing
I
would
think
that
that
would
be
a
more
appropriate
wall
material
for
for
this
property
and,
lastly,
is
the
roof
material,
which
I
know
has
been
a
point
of
discussion
with
this
board
before
I.
This
is
a
you
know
both
of
these
houses
having
many
houses
on
this
block.
Having
had
metal
roofs,
you
know
it's
a
it's
a
curiosity.
It's
not
super
common
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
the
crafting
style
throughout
the
country
and
stuff,
like
that,
it's.
A
E
G
The
metal
roofing
material
was
of
this
era
and
of
the
era
immediately
preceding
it.
I
don't
see
what's
being
proposed,
as
replacement
in
kind.
The
Victorian
style,
metal
shingle
does
not
agree
with.
G
This
house
is
to
have
a
metal
roof,
which
I
think
is
a
kind
of
fine,
a
replacement
and
especially
if
we're
intending
to
replace
in
kind
I
think
there
are
other
styles
of
widely
available
metal,
roofie
shingles
that
have
different
profiles
other
than
this
kind
of
Victorian
scalloped
pattern.
That's
shown
in
the
material
section
there
I.
E
C
A
A
A
A
F
A
A
G
And-
and
you
know,
Maybe-
maybe
not
agreeing
with
my
former
point-
you
know
this.
If
we
look
closely
at
these
shingles,
they
do
have
a
similar
scallop
to
what's
being
proposed.
A
B
A
Q
D
H
N
C
A
bit
of
a
conundrum,
so
I
thought
you
made
a
lot
of
good
comments
Anthony,
but
that
we,
in
particularly
on
the
the.
C
A
G
And
I
think
it'll
be
important
just
because
we've
gone
around
with
this
so
many
times
with
with
metal
roofs
in
particular,
the
board
give
the
applicant
some
some
direction
and
Maybe
Carly
I've
left
right
away
and
what
you
think
is
appropriate
under
the
circumstances
of
the
building
status
and
and
what's
occurred
next
door.
F
Here,
chair
and
member
Quita,
it
is
a
conundrum
because
to.
F
To
choose
a
different
material
than
the
building
next
door,
it
becomes
less
of
a
twin,
potentially,
the
what's
being
proposed
shows
the
like,
pronounced
shingles,
but
there
are
panels
so
there's
and
they
don't
necessarily
appear
as
panels.
F
So
that's
the
difference.
That's
the
big
difference.
So
it's
one
that
I
find
hard
because
it's
to
choose
something
different
than
becomes
different
than
its
sister.
It
gets
different
slightly
than.
F
Maybe
maybe
that
next
replacement
for
the
sister
will
be
better,
so
I
think
maybe
that's
the
best
logic
to
go
with
is
to
go
with
the
right
choice.
Maybe
not
matching.
F
Are
obligated
to
replace
some
kind
on
a
significant
and
a
contributing,
so
if
the
board
finds
that
this
was
a
not
in
kind,
then
that
would
be
enough
say
and
maybe
10
years
I
think
the
other
one
was
replaced
somewhere
around
eight
to
ten
years
ago,
and
maybe
the
options
were
a
little
less
than
that
could
have
been
the
case.
But.
A
F
Know
it
was
done
via
administrative
approval,
which
is
not
I,
think
it's
about
something
that
should
have
gone
to
the
board
being
significant,
because
the
other
one
at
the
time
was
significant.
F
The
thoughts
on
redesign
for
the
the
wall
I
think
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
especially
the
lighter
weight,
picket
fence
or
something
with
different
detail,
but
now
that
could
be
approved
by
staff
procedurally
and
show
The
Faults
there,
but
details
on
the
porch.
That
might
be
something
that
the
board
wants
to
see.
F
Given
the
status
of
the
building,
the
other
things
might
be
things
that
you
could
just
you
could
see
as
a
duller
finish
and
a
more
exact
match
to
the
roofing
material
could
be
administrative
approval,
but
given
if
the
board
wants
to
see
the
porch
come
back,
then
you
would
want
to
see
the
whole
package
come
back.
We
did.
Procedurally,
we
do
not
like
to
split
these
things
up,
because
it
makes
the
ferment
permitting
much
harder
for
the
applicant.
Q
F
Q
F
I
think
it's
a
staff
can
say
that
the
board
is
directing
towards
not
penalized
and
independent
shingles
and
a
dollar
finish.
Does
that
sound?
What
okay
I
think
what
we're
hearing.
H
Thank
you,
chair
cast
so
yeah.
Just
to
add
to
that
thought,
I
mean
I.
I.
Think
that
the
direction
is
you.
You
made
a
very
logical
assumption
to
go
with
the
matching,
but
for
the
reasons
that
Carly
Just
articulated
and
articulated
earlier
I,
don't
I
also,
don't
think
it's
a
good
idea
actually
as
much
as
you
took
that
from
our
last
discussion
to
match
the
roof
itself
to
the
one
next
door,
because
that
was
probably
not
the
best
option
at
the
time.
G
G
Design
improvements:
these
include
all
elevations
of
the
proposed
porch
to
the
rear
of
the
building
in.
A
E
G
Terms
of
the
style
of
this
porch,
it
should
be
wood
columns,
inset
from
the
edge
of
the
roof
space
further
apart,
and
that
the
drawings
include
the
design
intent
for
the
guard
rail
and
the
skirting
around
the
proposed
porch
that
the
applicant
return
with
proposal
for
the
metal
roof,
shingle
replacement
that
has
more
of
a
pronounced
shingle
effect.
That's
similar,
that's
closer
to
what
exists
on
the
building
right
now,
as
opposed
to
a
panelized
effect,
and
that
the
inish
the
be
duller
than
what
is
currently
on
the
house
next
door.
G
H
H
E
H
H
His
face
here,
yes
Vice,
we
should
set
a
specific
game.
H
C
C
K
K
I'm
not
going
to
read
the
description
of
the
property
just
to
highlight
or
recap,
but
properties
located
off
of
Gonzales
Road,
and
this
is
Lorenzo
Lane,
and
it's
back
here
where
the
red
circle
is
that's
the
perspective
of
it
from
the
Lorenzo
Lane
Portion
by
the
south,
South
View.
K
Let's
see
part
of
the
South
elevation.
This
is
the
East
Elevation
and
at
the
board
meeting
the
board
designated
numbers.
K
Number
two
and
number
three
facades,
which
is
not
this
one:
it
is
the
inset
porch,
that's
between
the
trees.
There
was
those
were
the
designated
primary
episodes.
K
The
applicant
proposes
the
following
exterior
alterations
and
that
is
to
add
on
to
the
southwest
corner
of
250
square
foot.
Room
you'll
have
a
flat
root
pair
pits,
matching
the
existing
house
in
height
and
to
add
on
to
the.
K
North
End
the
northwest
corner
just
sell
out
area
which
will
also
match
the
houses
flat,
roof,
pipe
hair
pits
and
it's
120
square
feet.
Edition.
K
This
is
the
proposed
floor
plan.
These
are
your
two.
These
were
designated
primary
facades
at
the
last
meeting,
our
marriage.
Besides
two
and
three,
the
applicant
proposes
on
the
south
elevation.
K
Originally
proposed
to
replace
the
steel
casement
window,
which
is
on
the
this
corner
here,
I'm
sorry,
this
has
gotten
confusing
it's
a
little
late
and
I
know.
The
applicant
has
some
changes
to
this
that
we're
going
to
get
to
I'll
just
try
to
set
this
up
so
that
we
can
get
through
this
fast
I
reviewed
this
case
as
if
the
South
elevation
was
designated
primary
at
the
last
meeting
and
according
to
the
minutes
and
the
findings
Etc,
it
was
only
facades.
K
K
Window
and
replacing
that
window,
other
parts
of
the
project
include
changing
out
the
sliding
glass
door
on
the
North
elevation,
it's
non-historic
and
here's
the
existing
elevations
and
the
proposed
elevations.
K
This
is
that
corner
window
non-primary
facade
proposing
this
change
change
from
the
aluminum
glass
slider
to
divided
light,
and
then
wants
to
replace
this
three
over
three
casement
with
another
window
on
the
East
television,
none
of
which
are
considered
primary,
except
for
that
instead
in
the
in
the
portal
under
the
portal,
the
existing
excuse
me
changes
are
replacing
windows.
K
And
on
the
North
elevation,
this
is
the
existing
excuse
me
get
back.
This
is
the
existing
condition
in
the
photo
above
it
has.
The
addition
is
going
in
back
here
and
these
windows
this
window
and
this
window
are
being
replaced
just
by
door,
and
these
are
being
added.
K
N
K
K
And
that's
it
I'll.
Let
the
applicant
answer
a
question
more
questions
about
the
design
and
I'm
here
to
answer
any
other
questions.
You
have
right
now,
I
recommended
that
saw
that
the
applicant
hadn't
met
all
the
exceptions,
but
that
left
it
to
the
board
to
decide
as
I've
verbally
amended
into
the
record.
The
applicant
is,
is
not
requesting
an
exception
to
re,
to
replacing
the
corner
window
or
adding
on
to
the
structure
less
than
10
feet
from
a
primary
facade,
because
number
one
is
not
a
primary
result:
clear.
Okay,
thank
you.
H
K
Oh,
so,
in
my
understanding
of
how
it
went
down,
the
first
time
was
that
that
facade
with
the
sliding
glass
door
was
number
one
and
cons
I
considered
primary,
excluding
that
glass
door
right.
So
now,
that's
not
it's
just
a
description
of
replacing
the
sliding
glass
door,
but
there's
no
code
issues
with
that.
E
B
So
I
I
recall
this
case
pretty
clearly
like
we
were
asked
to
designate
primary
facades
on
a
building
that
was
already
designated,
contributing
and
I.
Think
at
the
hearing.
We
all
sort
of
agree
that
this
probably
did
not
deserve
the
contributing
service
that
it
currently
has.
Rather
than
postpone
it
for
a
downgrade
I
think
we
agreed
to
designate
minimal
facade
as
Primary
in
order
to
proceed.
I,
don't
think
that
I
I
definitely
remember.
It
was
just
two
and
three
not.
A
B
A
F
The
members
of
the
board,
so
just
to
clarify
too
that
number
two
and
three
were
that
was
the
motion
that
was
that
were
that
was
included
in
the
facts:
financing
conclusions
of
Law,
and
that
was
what
was
voted
on.
So
those
facades.
Two
and
three
were
only
what's
there.
F
G
D
O
Bose
at
3480,
Todo,
Santos,
Street,
Santa,
Fe,
New,
Mexico,
87507
.,
so
we're
happy
to
be
back
here.
We've
been
long
waiting
the
chance
to
actually
propose
a
design
itself.
So
thanks
for
looking
at
this
with
us
today,
so
my
understanding
is,
after
the
clarification
of
the
primary
facade
issue,
the
real
only
kind
of
actual
exception.
We're
here
to
discuss
is
just
that
one
single
window
here,
that's
the
south
kitchen
window,
I'll
refer
to
it
as.
O
In
general,
our
approach
for
this
house
has
been
to
kind
of
maintain
its
proportions
and
its
look
and
feel
while
improving
every
system
possible,
so
all
the
way
from
the
roof
insulation,
the
roof
insulation,
the
wall,
insulation,
the
HVAC
systems.
You
know
blah
blah
I,
don't
have
to
bore
you
with
that,
but
you
know
that
the
windows
are
a
huge
part
of
the
energy
performance
and
the
look
right.
O
So
our
goal
is
just
to
address
both
of
those
things
with
this
metal,
clad
wood
window
that
was
mentioned,
I
guess
I'm,
stating
something
globally
about
the
whole
project,
but
also
with
reference
to
the
south
kitchen
window
that
we're
able
to
reproduce
the
muntin
pattern.
You
know
we're
able
to
fit
the
aperture
as
well
The
Divided
light
the
new
divided
light.
O
Mountains
are
only
7
8
of
an
inch,
so
it's
pretty
narrow,
so
I
guess
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is
I
feel
like
it's
a
pretty
reasonable
exception
in
terms
of
what's
happening
there
as
the
physical
replacement
and
then
another
part
of
that
is
that
we
wanted
to
add
some
operability
into
the
window
just
from
a
cross
ventilation.
Point
of
view
we're
trying
to
make
sure
that
basically,
every
single
room
in
this
house
has
at
least
two
opposite
walled,
casement
openings.
O
O
We
understood
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
that
we're
allowed
to
replace.
Basically
all
the
other
windows
we've
proposed,
given
that
they're
not
on
primary
facades.
O
So
one
thing
I
have
come
to
understand
as
well
and
now
I'm
kind
of
changing
to
another
topic
here.
But
just
in
one
breath,
the
corner
window
is
clearly
kind
of
the
most
characteristic
thing
on
this
house
and
so
I
guess
we're
kind
of
asking
the
impossible,
but
I
just
wanted
to
test
the
water
for
you
guys
from
from
your
point
of
view
as
your
rules,
because
on
one
hand,
we'd
like
to
propose
to
change
out
this
glass
for
or
this
window
system,
for
a
newer
thermally
broken
one.
A
O
Has
brought
to
my
attention
that
if
we
were
to
replace
that
material
that
would
trigger
an
ordinance
that
requires
the
three
foot
separation
from
the
corner,
post
and
I
understand
that
we
don't
have
a
official
exception
for
that
right
now,
so
I'm
asking
you
in
candid,
more
than
anything,
but
would
you
be
potentially
amenable
to
us
respecting
the
steel
kind
of
mid-mod?
Look
that
this
house
clearly
is
a
fusion
of
Pueblo
and
mid-mod.
There's
no
other
way
to
say
it.
O
Would
you
go
for
US
changing
out
those
windows
in
their
existing
aperture,
keeping
that
structural
pull
that
you
see
that
post
with
a
new
system?
So
in
conclusion,
our
specific
justification
for
the
windows
is
that
it's
a
full.
You
know
it's
a
full
system
around
the
house,
they'll
be
improving
the
thermal
quality
extremely
and
we
feel
like
we've
respected,
not
only
the
rules
of
the
neighborhood,
but
also
the
proportions
that
are
there
in
this
house
already
leave
it
at
that.
C
F
So
yeah
it's
in
the
downtown
east
side
so
and
it
is
a
visible
facade
and
it's
a
non-conforming
window.
So
the
code
rules
are
that
when
some,
when
work
is
being
done,
that
it
the
that
replacement
would
have
to
come
in
to
conformance
that's
the
way
the
A6
14-5.2863.
F
That
is
wasteful
and
or
no
work
being
done
on
that
side
of
the
house.
That's
the
way
the
board
has
interpreted
that
rule.
That
said
so,
if
this
window
were
to
be
restored
rather
than
replaced
then
or
just
maintained,
then
it
wouldn't
necessarily
come
into
that
non-conformance.
It
wouldn't
trigger
that
non-conformance
portion
of
the
code,
necessarily
if
the
other
portion
of
that,
if
is
if
the
board
decides
to
allow
it
to
be
stand
non-conforming
because
of
its
architectural
interest,
that
is
also
allowable,
but
if
it
has
to
be
suitable
for
the
board's
standards.
F
No,
that
was
that
did
not
require
an
exception
in
the
last,
according
to
the
way
the
board
rules
on
community
Kenya,
we
had
a
very
long
discussion
about
it
with
legal
advisement
too.
So
if
the
board
deems
it
as
non-conforming
for
architectural
interests,
then
no
because
the
exceptions
were
not
also
required.
In
that
case,.
C
Let
me
ask
the
applicant:
can
that
window
not
be
repaired
restored
in
some
sense
that
we
have
to
go
through
all
those
questionable.
O
You
know
restoration
opinion
which
I
think
diverge
honestly
in
being
rational
in
Today's,
Energy
standards
and
assembly
standards
and
stuff.
Yes,
it
probably
could
be
repaired.
You
know
at
least
in
C2,
I,
don't
know
removing
it.
Probably
you
know
you
have
to
break
all
the
glass
scrape
everything
down
say
impossible.
You
know
they've.
One
huge
issue
is
that
over
the
years
people
have
badly
plastered
up
into
the
casement.
O
So
like
none
of
the
house,
none
of
the
windows,
except
for
maybe
one
in
this
entire
house,
open
because
they're
just
sloppily
added
on
which
is
from
an
architectural
point
of
view.
It
has
ruined
the
window
because
in
order
to
replace
it,
you
have
to
cause
damage
to
the
envelope
of
the
building,
which
is
not
usually
the
case.
If
the
window
is
installed
correctly,
you
know
so
yes,
except
we're
very
hesitant
too,
and
we
would
much
rather
put
a
really
nice
looking
new
window
that
looks
I.
O
G
So
this
is
a
really
cool
house
and
I'm
I'm
I
really
appreciate
the
design
and
the
kind
of
overall
approach
to
kind
of
keep
the
massing
enhance.
The
best
features
of
the
house.
I
mean
this
is
something.
A
G
We
don't
see
every
day,
it's
a
kind
of
I
wasn't
here
for
the
status
determination,
but
it's
if
it's
late,
40s
early
50s,
it's
just
kind
of
you
know
it's
really
modern.
It's
modern
or
modernist
right,
more
than
than
kind
of
what
we
typically
see
or
associated
with
with
1950s
and
1960s
architectures.
It's
in.
A
G
Mind
it's
really
unique
in
Santa
Fe,
even
if
it
wasn't
done
all
at
once.
That
corner
window
is
super
special.
A
lot
of
the
magic
happens
not
only
because
of
the
masking
in
the
corner
window
or
these
non-conforming
features,
but
also
because
of
the
contrast
between
the
mass
and.
G
Of
the
of
the
window
expression
and
the
penetration,
your
proposal
to
is
to
replace
all
of
the
windows
with
a
aluminum,
clad
wood
window
system,
and
you
know
the
divisions
between.
G
and
you
could
replicate
the
pattern,
but
given
that
it's
insulated
glass
and
their
casements,
you
know
the
sash
around
the
casement
is
going
to
be
much
thicker
than
the
cabinets
and
is
there
a
you
know,
I'm
concerned
that
you
lose
something
look
everything's
a
compromise
but
like
I'm
concerned
that
you
lose
a
lot,
especially
because
these
are
very
small
Windows.
E
O
O
So-
and
this
is
the
honest
truth-
I'm
not
even
trying
to
push
my
cause
but
to
get
like
nice
thermally,
Broken,
Steel
Windows
is
a
fortune,
but
that
would
probably
like
quadruple
our
Windows
system
budget.
To
be
honest,
because
these
things
Windsor
Pinnacle,
you
know
they're
good,
but
they're,
not
the
you
know
so
I
would
say
yes
that
product
exists,
it's
being
done.
It
looks
awesome
for
sure,
but
I
think
within
our
like
standard
residential
range.
O
I
think
this
is
getting
close
to
as
good
as
it
can
be.
That
being
said,
you
can
also
reduce
the
amount
of
casement
situations
where
it
is
a
single
frame,
and
actually
we've
tried
to
do
that
like.
If
you
look
at
this
back
living
room
window,
you
know
we're
trying
to
keep
it
these
little
wings
that
brighten
up
a
little
bit,
which
is
actually
typical
of
the
steel
window
too,
because
the
idea
is
they
would.
O
It
would
be
a
basic
steel
frame,
but
they
would
add
Hardware
as
needed
right,
so
the
handle
might
have
like
a
rectangle
and
so
forth.
So
to
the
effect
that
we're
trying
to
minimize
I
would
say,
I
would
respond
in
where
yes,
we're
trying.
Could
we
buy
a
way
more
expensive
system?
Yes,
I
would
rather
not
can.
G
A
G
P
G
O
American
brands
that
the
more
expensive
you
go,
the
better
the
more
the
simulated,
divided
light,
looks
real.
You
know
now
they're,
even
putting
a
little
piece
of
foam
in
there.
So
there's
no
like
Double
Glass
Shadow
nonsense
that
they're
making
out
better
material.
So
it
doesn't
bow
away
from
the
glass
and
break
the
illusion,
but
part
of
the
other
thing
that
you're
paying
for
to
my
understanding
is
the
narrowness
of
the
assembly.
O
So
I
mean
when
you
see
the
modern
again,
Windsor
Pinnacle
is
our
spec.
When
you
see
their
insoles
I
mean
they
do
really
modern
stuff.
That
a
lot
of
time
is
kind
of
also
oriented
around
this,
like
Factory
window
I,
think
it
looks
good
like
it
from
my
critical
opinion
of
also
not
wanting
this
to
look
too
thick
I
think
it
looks
good,
but
I
think
we're
paying
a
lot
for
these
windows
to
get
this
line.
So
I
think
I
feel
like
we're.
Yeah
I
feel,
like
we've
tried
that.
C
G
C
O
G
A
O
Broad
condition
right:
it
has
a
Fresh
coat
of
blue
paint,
like
any
person
would
do
so.
It
doesn't
look
that
bad,
but.
G
O
O
But
well
that
connects
the.
O
G
O
O
G
O
G
O
See
you
know
it's
not
aluminum
cutting
it's
actually
or
it
is
Aluminum,
but
it's
not
sheet
rolled
it's
extruded,
okay,
so
the
clotting
is
extruded,
meaning
that
it's
not
going
to
like
buckle,
and
what
do
you
call
it
tin
can
or
whatever
oil
can
good
yeah.
So
that's
one
advantage
over
its
competitor
Pella,
who
is
actually
more
expensive,
also
good,
yeah
and
then
I
just
to
drive
this
home.
The
qualities
of
Windows
is
just
like
I
said
it's
not
just
the
windows,
it's
the
building
too.
O
You
know
this
house
was
how
to
put
it
politely.
The
maintenance
was
deferred
for
about
half
a
century.
O
I
was
so
definitely
leave
it
because
it
is
acting
structurally
now
right
now,
but
our
intent
was
if
we
could
to
kind
of
cover
it
just
a
little
bit
with
installation
and
basically
wrap
like
a
column
metal
wrap
around
it.
That
would
match
the
clotting,
as
is
like,
basically
a
standard
Corner
detail.
Today
it
would
be
rectangular,
but.
O
G
O
G
Think
so,
excellent,
oh
so
in
case
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2,
12,
Gonzalez
Road,
a
I
move
that
we
approve
the
project
as
submitted
with
the
following
conditions
that
well
recruit.
G
The
project
has
submitted
finding
that
the
exception
criteria
for
the
change
out
of
a
window
in
a
primary
facade
have
been
met
and
with
the
following
conditions
that
the
applicant
update
the
drawings
for
staff
to
reflect
the
proposed
Administration
patterns
that
were
discussed
this
evening,
ones
that
are
more
closely
aligned
with
the
existing
window,
divided
light
patterns
and
that
the
Apple
can
also
submit.
If.
G
And
oh,
oh
and
lastly,
the
the
reason
why
the
corner
window
can
be
can
be
replaced.
The
board
recognizes
that
this
is
a
non-conforming
condition
in
a
building
that
has
architectural
Merit,
and
so
we
are
approving
it
on
those
grounds.
D
B
C
O
Really
appreciate
that
from
all
of
you,
I
I
realized
we
oversaw
one
detail
which
was
the
stucco
color.
Should
we
discuss
that
now,
while
we're
together
or
is
it
too
late?
Now.
F
F
You
we
would
want
to
see
the
the
world
have
to
update
the
motion.
We
would,
they
would
mean
to
see
the
color
swatch.
Okay,.
C
H
I
wanted
to
correct
something.
I
said
earlier:
doesn't
change
the
significance.
H
How
the
question
came
up
that
if
there
are
four
board
members
and
one
is
acting
as
the
chair-
and
there
are
only
three
board
members
to
vote-
can
a
project
be
approved?
On
a
two
to
one
vote
and
I
said
previously,
this
question
came
up
when
you
were
an
acting
chair
and
actually
I
went
back
and
looked
at
the
record
on
that,
and
that
was
on
April
12th
and
you
were
absent
as
well.
So
I
correct
myself,
you
were
not
the
acting
chair.
H
Actually,
a
member
Guido
was
the
acting
chair
and
there
was
a
project
I
think
it
was
the
outdoor.
H
It
was
an
outdoor
seating
area
on
Palace
Avenue.
H
H
H
Which
reads
that
he
can
only
vote
to
break
a
tie
but
not
to
create
a
tie.
Robert's
Rules
of
Order,
section
4,
colon
56.,
also.
H
The
chair
should
not
vote
for
fixing
partial
position
of
that
application
was
at
22,
West,
Marcy
Street
at
the
la
boca
Cafe,
and
that
Robert's
Rules
of
Order,
section
40,
colon
1
reads:
a
forum
refers
to
the
number
of
members
present
not
to
the
number
actually
voting
on
a
particular
question.
So
therefore,
three
members
are
permitted
to
vote,
even
though
by
themselves
they
would
not
create
a
forum
because
we
had
a
form
because
there
were
members
present.
So
therefore,
a
project
can.