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A
B
D
Welcome
good
evening
this,
I'm
going
to
call
this
meeting
to
order.
This
is
the
historic
district's
review
board
hearing
for
tuesday.
C
D
E
D
You
melissa:
I
want
to
welcome
our
new
two
new
board
members,
madeleine
aguilar
and
jennifer
berkley.
I
think
we're
going
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
them.
D
Next
item
is
the
approval
of
the
agenda
carly
or
staff?
Are
there.
F
Do
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
okay,
we
have
a
few
changes.
One
item
is
the
facts
times
and
conclusions
for
a
50
mark
milk
caramel
will
be
delayed
until
the
next
hearing.
We
have
case
number,
let's
see
the
first
item
under
new
business.
Four
six
five
community
list
animus
will
be
postponed.
G
F
The
I
under
excuse
me
under
new
business
item
number.
Four:
two:
two
zero
rodriguez
street
is
also
being
postponed.
D
Okay,
do.
E
And
can
you
please
turn
on
your
microphones
when
you
speak?
Thank
you,
member.
Yes,
member
bienvenue,
yes,
member
larson,
yes,
the
motion
has
been
approved.
Thank
you.
D
Moving
on,
we
have
the
approval
of
minutes
from
august
9th
2022..
Are
there
any
changes
to
the
minutes.
I
B
D
E
L
D
You
next
we
have
findings
of
facts
and
conclusions
of
law.
There
are
two
342
plaza
valentine,
333,
west
manhattan.
I
E
D
Thank
you.
Okay
matters
from
the
public
members
of
the
public
wishing
to
speak.
Please
move
to
the
podium.
We
are
limited
to
two
minutes
for
public
comment.
N
I
still
do
appreciate
it:
jeremy
guida.
Thank
you
good
evening,
john
hi.
I
just
had
a
procedural
question
at
looking
at
the
html
file
that
was
sent
out.
There
are
well
there's
one
packet
that
appeared
to
be
missing
electronically,
and
I
don't
know
if
this
has
any
bearing
on
your
meeting
tonight
at
all.
N
D
A
Stephanie
benanto,
I
do
have
a
couple
of
things,
procedural
question
or
concern
from
last
time.
There
were
only
four
of
you
here
and
on
the
lucchese
early
cheap
cheesy,
as
I
would
say
at
lucasy,
as
I
would
say
it
not
knowing
what
the
heart
and
the
soft
sea
are
in
italian
is
questionable,
because
you
didn't
have
a
majority
of
the
members
present
voting
for
it.
You
had
two
people
voting
for
it,
one
against,
and
the
chair
did
not
vote
when
there
was
another
issue
like
this.
A
The
chair
insisted
on
voting
because
they
are,
it
says,
a
majority
of
the
members
not
of
those
who
vote
normally
but
of
the
members.
So
I'm
thinking
that
your
approval
of
that
sign
exceptions
is
flawed,
fatally
flawed.
Actually,
the
other
thing
is.
I
still
need
suggestions
from
people
in
the
preservation
community
about
carpenters
who
have
the
experience
to
restore
and
renovate
the
floors
at
la
posada.
A
As
I've
said
before
the
library
floor,
which
is
a
parquet
floor,
it's
beautiful
as
our
all
the
floors
are
actually
in.
There
is
literally
disintegrating
as
you
look
at
it,
and
the
corporate
manager
property
manager
is
totally
willing
to
go
forward.
Unfortunately,
the
carpenter,
who
was
going
to
do
it,
got
injured
and
can
no
longer
be
squatting
up
and
down
as
required
for
the
job.
So
I'm
hoping
that
I'll
hear
from
somebody,
my
name
is
put
my
name
in
the
internet.
You.
I
A
A
You
are
opening
yourself
up
to
charges
of
subjectivity
and
you
are
a
quasi-judicial
body,
which
means
that
you
are
actually
supposed
to
be
implementing
the
law.
If
you
don't
like
the
law,
then
I
would
suggest
that
you
go
to
city
council
and
ask
them
to
change
it
rather
than
you
unilaterally
doing
that
as
an
appointed
official.
Thank
you.
A
F
Yes,
thank
you
chair,
so
we
have
just
a
couple
things:
we've
had
some
staff
outages
as
you,
and
then
I
am
in
the
sky
tonight
so
you'll
see
some
just
presentations
happening
by
the
assistant
director
heather
lamboy
tonight,
so
they
may
not
follow
exactly
the
name
who
was
on
the
case
just
because
we've
been
navigating
some
of
that
internally,
but
we
should
be
back
on
a
regular
schedule
on
the
13th
other
than
that.
Welcome
to
the
new
board
members.
F
B
I
think
it
would
be
really
nice
for
the
board
members
to
know
a
little
bit
about
you,
so
if
you
can
give
us
a
little
introduction
both
for
the
benefit
of
the
board
members,
as
well
as
the
public
we'd
love
to
learn
about
you,
commissioner
aguilar
right.
So
we
will
fix
that
actually
and
have
a
terrible.
K
Name
there
next
time
well
hello,
and
thank
you
to
everyone
for
having
me
and
my
fellow
board
members.
I'm
really
excited
to
be
here.
My
name
is
madeline
aguilar
magrano.
I
know
it's
a
mouthful,
but
a
little
bit
about
me.
I
was
born
and
raised
in
santa
fe,
my
family's
been
here
for
generations,
my
love
for
the
city
and
the
unique
sense
of
place.
You
know
that
santa
embodies
is
ultimately
what
led
me
to
pursue
my
degree
in
landscape
architecture.
So
I'm
a
practicing
landscape
architect.
K
I
work
for
a
local
firm
and
I
have
been
for
the
past
seven
years.
Prior
to
that
I
worked
for
the
planning
department
for
the
albuquerque
public
schools.
I
also
have
a
degree
in
environmental
planning
and
design,
and
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
sharing
some
of
these
skills
with
my
city
and
my
community
and
hoping
to
be
of
benefit
to
you
all.
Thank
you
for
having
me.
O
O
I
brought
my
case
before
the
board
to
make
some,
I
would
just
say,
upgrades
to
it
a
little
bit.
It
was
in
bad
condition
and
it
was
met
with
approval
and
happily
we
got
through
the
process
very
smoothly
and
we
later
actually
won
an
award
for
the
sarah
melton
preservation
award,
and
so
I
appreciated
that
and
then
the
second
time
was
just
this.
Last
year,
as
the
director
of
the
spanish
columbia
arts
society,
we
received
an
award
for
our
museum
for
the
work
that
we've
done
there.
O
B
L
Chairman,
yes,
I
did
want
to
share
with
the
public,
since
there
has
been
concern
expressed
about
this
a
number
of
times
when
we
have
a
quorum
present,
even
though
a
very
very
small
number
of
members
may
vote,
a
majority
vote
does
pass,
even
if
the
vote
is
two
to
one.
L
If
you
were
nothing,
but
there
were
resolutions
passed
by
the
city
council
or
governing
body
1984-56
in
2009-20
under
article
11-2,
a
a
chairperson
cannot
vote
except
to
break
the
time,
and
that
is
article
11,
subsection,
2,
subsection
b
and,
furthermore
robert's
rules
of
order
which
we
default
to.
If
there's
no
resolution
that
conflicts
with
robert's
rules
under
4,
colon
56
and
ms
benonato,
you
can
you're
welcome
to
look
these
up
and
share
your
thoughts
with
me.
You
know.
C
L
Okay,
section
4
colon
56
roberts
rules
recommends
that
a
chair
on
the
small
board
not
vote
in
order
to
protect
his
impartial
position,
which
is
consistent
with
the
city's
resolutions
that
the
chair
not
vote.
Furthermore,
this
came
up
in
a
meeting
at
the
april
12
board
meeting,
which
also
chairman
weda,
which
member
guido
was
the
acting
chair
under
the
absence
of
ms
rios
and
mr
katz,
who
were
the
chair
and
vice
chair
of
the
board.
L
L
C
L
Rules
section
40,
colon
1.:
the
forum
refers
to
the
number
of
members
present
not
for
the
number
actually
voting
on
a
particular
question.
So
therefore,
even
if
you
have
a
minority
of
members
voting
on
an
issue,
the
fact
that
they
by
themselves
would
not
constitute
a
forum
is
in
material
the
fact
that
there
is
a
quorum
present.
L
M
D
C
D
We
now
have
new
board
members.
We
won't
be
running
into
that
situation
too
often,
I'm
going
to
move
on
to
our
cases
for
tonight.
Before
we
begin.
I
just
want
to
note
to
the
applicants
that,
if
you
disagree
with
the
decisions
of
this
board,
you
have
an
option
to
appeal
15
days
after
the
findings
of
fact
and
conclusions
of
law
are
approved
tonight
we
have
five
cases
total
three
under
old
business,
two
under
new,
just
by
way
of
procedural
issues.
D
D
Typically,
those
will
be
five
minutes.
We
ask
applicants
to
be
succinct.
We'll
then
move
on
to
board
discussion
and
public
comment
will
again
be
limited
to
two
minutes.
Okay,
so
the
first
case
is
1500
canyon,
road.
F
All
right
so
we've
seen
this
case
before
this
is
or
at
least
the
new
members
haven't,
but
this
has
come
before
you
before
it's
1500
canyon,
road.
As
a
reminder,
it
is
the
matthias
martinez
historic
farm,
and
it
is
a
subject.
Matter
of
the
case
is
the
garage
we
do
have
some
updated
drawings
based
on
board
comments.
The
last
time
it
came
forward-
and
this
comes
now
with
a
recommendation.
F
For
approval
and
it
it
does
fall
within
the
downtown
east
side.
So
I'll
just
point
out.
Some
overviews
here
are
the
images
of
the
elevations,
the
site
plan
and
we're
looking
at
the
garage
right
here.
F
This
is
their
proposed
site
plan,
so
there's
a
little
additional
wall,
that's
being
added
and
then
we'll
skip
down
to
the
elevations.
Just
so
that
we're
clear
about
what
we're
looking
at-
and
I
think
now
there's
a
little
cut
off
of
this
image
here,
but
we
have
a
little
stove
pipe
here.
We've
got
an
overhang
and
we
do
have
an
increase
of
height
now
from
nine
ten
nine
nine
feet,
ten
inches
to
eleven
feet.
F
Of
course,
the
non-historic
windows
are
replaced
as
you
see,
and
then
there
are
these
rectangular
wood
beams
under
the
overhang
and
then,
of
course,
the
window
multi-light
window
on
the
south
elevation,
and
we
have
a
change
of
the
design
that
was
seen
from
the
last
hearing
and
to
from
a
double
door
to
a
triple
door
that
has
some
of
the
details.
Now
the
the
architectural
details,
so
the
white,
the
windows
are
to
be
painted
white
and
when
we,
what
we
saw
last
time
was
a
brick
chimney.
F
We
were
looking
at
a
little
stroke,
pipe
chimney,
and
but
this
does
not
show
the
little
wall
in
the
front.
So
I'm
just
going
to
point
that
out,
and
that
is
all
on
this
one.
Oh
and
here
are
the
samples.
Roof
material
has
gone
to
a
corrugated
metal
unsealed
to
patina
over
time,
and
then
I
from
there
I
can
either
answer
questions
for
the
board
or
I
can
turn
it
over
to
the
applicant.
Will.
D
E
M
M
M
Better,
yes,
okay,
the
the
building
owner,
would
ask
for
a.
C
D
For
the
design
of
the
roof
to
more
closely
match
the
original
for
their
for
the
doors
on
this
side
of
the
building
to
more
closely
match
the
garage
door.
Opening
that
was
there
any
questions
from
the
board
for
our
applicant
member,
confident.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chair
I'd,
just
like
to
say,
first
of
all,
it's
more
of
a
comment
than
a
question
really
very
much
appreciate
design
changes
that
you've
made.
I
hope
that
you
agree.
J
C
J
Typical
and
I
think
the
the
other
option
would
perhaps
stand
out.
J
M
I
appreciate
that,
as
my
dad
always
said,
two
heads
are
better
than
one
so
sometimes
looking
at
drawings.
A
different
way
always
helps
regarding.
C
M
To
put
a
nudge
towards
the
clay
flue
tile
from
the
period
clay
flutiles
were
representative
in
the
30s
and
40s,
which
is
building
age.
So
that's
something
that
was
very
common
here
and
I
think
the
lines
actually
look
a
little
better
than
a
stove
pipe
personally,
but
I'll
leave
that
up
for
the
board.
So
again,
we
don't
want
to
delay
this
any
further.
If,
if
you
choose,
but
that.
D
C
C
D
Pipe
would
a
spark
arrester
be
required
to
go
on
top
of
that
very.
M
C
D
Thank
you
any
other
questions
or
comments
from
the
board.
C
M
M
K
D
Board
members,
if,
if
that's
all,
I
think
we'll
take
this
to
the
public
members
of
the
public,
we.
E
N
Thank
you
sweetheart.
I
really
appreciate
the
acumen
of
board.
N
And
I
think
the
stovepipe
issue
was
something
that
I
spoke
to
earlier
and
I
really
do
feel
that
it
is
most
appropriate
on
this
building.
N
I
appreciate
the
applicant's
idea
of
going
to
the
flue
pipe,
but
I
do
think
that
the
stovepipe
is
more
appropriate,
given
that
it
will
be
capped
more
than
likely
by
a
conical
metal
spark
arrestor
the
flue
pipe
more
than
likely
would
be
the
spark
arrestor
employed.
There
would
probably
be
what
we
would
consider
kind
of
a
more
modern
kind
of
thing
that
you
can
buy
and
I
have
them
on
my
house
so
that
kind
of
detracts
as
well
from
the
building.
N
D
E
A
Stephanie
benanto
p.o
box,
1601
santa
fe,
new
mexico
kind
of
feeding
in
and
out
here
I
like
the
door
design,
but
I
wonder
why
there
has
to
be
three
as
opposed
to
the
two
that
were
originally
suggested,
and
it
would
seem
that
two
would
be
the
normal
use
in
a
garage
two
doors,
not
necessarily
three.
A
A
C
A
A
D
Thank
you,
stephanie,
any
other
public
comments
online
or
in
person.
H
I
moved
to
approve
the
application
with
the
following
corrections:
the
first
being
that
there
will
be
one
sconce
on
the
west
elevation
with
drawing
clarifying
that
submitted
to
staff
and
the
second
being
about
the
yard
wall,
the
stockholder
and
elvery
lelouch
and
the
third
being
about
the
chimney
pipe
is
of
a
metal
chimney
pipe
and
that
that
amendment
is
also
submitted
to
staff.
H
I
I
would
personally
be
fine
with
either
I
you
know.
I
appreciate
that
this
is
being
used
or
reused
adaptedly
as
a
casita
with
you
know,
a
fireplace
so
for
me
personally,
I'm
fine
with
either.
I
think
that
it's
a
minimally
obtrusive
amendment
to
this
existing
structure-
and
I
agree
with
remember
bienvenue's
earlier
comments-
that
it
would
be-
and
also
the
applicant's
comments
about
that-
how
this
would
be
in
keeping
with
the
historic
period
and
the
structure
type.
H
Thank
you.
Yes,
the
mission
is
either
having
a
metal,
flue
pipe
or
no
flue
pipe
at
all.
With
the
amendment
of
that
being
proposed
to
staff
for
approval.
C
D
F
Hey
this
also
under
old
business,
so
the
board
has
seen
this
before.
If
you
were
newer,
you
would
not
have
so
it's
571
garcia
street
located
in
the
downtown
side,
just
off
of
varsity
street
and
johnson
lane
right
on
the
corner,
to
give
a
brief
overview
of
what
came
before
in
the
last
hearing,
the
the
board
voted
to
downgrade
the
structure.
As
you
can
see,
this
is
the
original
contributing
structure
on
the
property,
and
then
it
has
this
guest
house.
F
That's
been
added
in
the
front
at
a
larger
height,
so
guest
house
in
the
front
here
with
the
two
with
this
stairs,
that
kind
of
stepping
from
the
masking
that's
happening
and
then
back
in
the
back.
That's
not
outlined
is
the
newer
or
sorry
the
historic
house,
okay,
and
that
is
also
outlined.
The
guest
house
is
in
in
the
front
of
the
main
house
built
in
2005,
and
this
had
the
additions
on
the
back.
So
the
what
we
are
looking
at
today
is
this
project
area
outlined
here.
F
F
There
is
also
a
fountain
included.
There's
hardscaping,
that's
coming
with
this,
but
within
the
fourth
per
view,
is
the
structure
between
and
and
the
fountain
of
course,
so
and
then
a
blow
up
of
that
dashed
in
our
the
is
the
portal
there.
F
Okay
and
there's
some
raising
to
a
parapet,
but
we'll
get
to
that
in
just
a
moment.
So
this
is
the
change
that
you
see
on
the
west
elevation
within
the
courtyard.
So
this
is
the
historic
house
that
side-
and
this
is
if
you
flip
in
the
turn
around
look
the
other
way
in
the
courtyard.
This
is
the
guest
house,
so
you
can
see
there's
a
bit
of
a
raised
parapet
to
allow
for
these
wood
beams
to
hand
hume
wood
beams
to
go
all
the
way
through
to
that
parapet
there.
F
F
Okay
and
then
you
see
some
slight
changes
on
this
south
elevation
here.
This
is
the
elevation
that
faces
johnson
lane
and
the
north
elevation
is
right
up
against
the
wall
in
the
property
line,
but
here
it
is
and
there's
a
view
to
the
trellis,
that's
very
small.
You
can
see
it
there
and
on
the
west
elevation
from
the
front
of
the
house.
If
you're
standing
in
front
of
the
house,
you
can
see
just
that
raised
parapet
here
in.
C
F
Back
all
right,
so
we
do
recommend
this.
It
does
as
it
complies
with
the
downtown
east
side
and
all
historic
district
standards.
With
that,
I
can
turn
it
over
to
the
applicant
or
answer
questions.
K
F
It
is
generally
we
do
exterior
lighting
as
a
administrative
approval
item.
We
do
lump
all
of
everything
we
can
into
the
same
application,
so
it
goes
nice
and
smoothly
through
permits.
That
said,
if
it
is
seen
as
kind
of
that
is,
it
is
part
of
the
package
and
is
definitely
a
part
of
the
board.
F
What
the
board
can
comment
on
on
board
for
you.
That
said
I'll
say
it's
just
note
that
this
is
a
non-non-contributing
property
and
and
answer
any
other
questions
that
you
might
have
on
this.
D
E
N
As
far
as
the
lighting
that
the
question
that
came
up,
we
are
proposing
to
have
lighting
at
the
steps
the
client-
I
actually
propose
to
have
it
all
one
level
as
you,
but
you
as
we
do
come
down
from
the
gate
we
she
didn't
want
to
do
one
level
she
wanted
to
just
keep
the
steps
the
way
they
are.
So
I
propose
that
we
provide
some
lighting
because
at
the
steps-
and
it
would
be
hidden
on
a
nosing,
so
you
won't
see
it.
N
I
just
want
the
user
to
be
able
to
be
able
to
step,
make
those
steps
and
with
with
safety
at
night,
because
it
is
especially
if
you're
having
an
entertaining
or
something
out
there
and
people
aren't
aware,
there's
a
step.
Then
that
could
be
problematic.
So
that's
the
lighting,
I'm
proposing
it'll
be
hidden
you'll,
be
way
down
below
it'll,
be
at
step
level.
H
Thank
you.
Is
there
a
proposed
finish
to
the
adobe
wall,
or
will
it
be
unplastered.
C
N
At
the
top
of
it-
and
they
just
need
to
repair
it,
and
I
think
they'll
probably
repair
it
with
stucco
and
it'll
match
the
house.
N
Yeah,
I
I
would
just
I
I
we
haven't
got
that
far
yet
I
mean
we
could
plaster
it
with
mud,
but
it
won't
last
very
long
so
and
they're
going
to
go
through
all
the
trouble
to
repair
it.
I
think
they
should
work
on
something
long
term.
N
I
I
personally,
I
have
an
experience
where
I
have
a
mud
plaster
wall
outside
and
it
has
not
held
out
very
well
with
the
rain
that
you
know
with
the
rain
we've
been
getting,
so
I
think
it
would
be
better
for
them
to
stucco
it
and
just
to
repair.
It
is
the
most
important
part.
N
H
I
don't
think
I
have
any
further
questions
I
was
just
concerned
about.
You
know
the
clarity
of
repair,
so
that
really
helps.
Thank
you.
J
N
That
was
the
last
meeting
we
got
because
we
were
able
to
down
to
downgrade
it.
We
wanted
to
simplify
it
and
that
we
got
rid
of
the
core
bolts
and
I
I
just
didn't-
want
to
be
sticking
the
cord
bolts
into
the
wall
because
there's
always
a
problem
with
water
damage.
N
N
Yeah,
no,
the
only
the
only
the
only
section
that's
going
to
have
these
steel
is
the
trellis
and
the
trellis
sits
in
front
of
the
electrical
meters
and
all
the
and
that's
just
a
small
little
structure.
That's
at
the
most
height
of
the
yard
wall
and
that'll,
be
steel
and
that'll
be
covered
with
plants.
At
some
point,
the
the
there'll
be
no,
no,
no
it'll
be
okay,
yeah
it'll,
be
wood
and
it'll,
be
stucco.
You're,
not
gonna,
see
any
steel.
J
J
Not
sure
there's
anything
in
the
pack
that
actually
shows
what
you're
describing
through
the
wood
pergola
is
there
did
I
miss
something
I.
N
No,
I
am
you're
you're,
probably
confusing
that
with
the
last
the
first,
the
first
proposal
in
the
first
meeting,
where
we
were
going
to
be
doing
a
post
and
and
some
columns.
That
was
that
was
because
we
didn't
want
to
touch
the
primary
facade.
But
now
we've
got
the
the
the
building
downgraded,
but.
J
M
J
D
Further
on
these
last
two
points
by
board
members-
I
I
think
you
know
when
we
make
a
motion,
it
would
be
wise
to
address
because,
in
a
case
of
item
number.
M
D
D
I
I
The
packet
indicates
that
maybe
one
or
two
on
the
roof
can
you
describe
where
those
are
and
if
they're
visible
from
johnson
lane
or
from
garcia
street.
Please.
I
I'm
sorry
there's
a
reference
in
the
pocket
to
a
new
air
conditioning
system
on
the
roof.
N
N
Yes,
we
we're
making
a
very
conscious
effort
not
to
have
anything
visible
from
the
street
right
now.
There
is
a
current
mechanical
system
and
you
I
mean
in
the
aerial
you
could
see
it.
I
couldn't
see
it
any.
I
couldn't
see
it
from
the
street
because
the
the
the
parapets
are
actually
quite
high,
so
we're
you're
not
going
to
see
any
of
the
mechanical
system
from
the
street.
It's
all
going
to
be
below
and
then
on
the
upper
roof.
We're
going
to
foam
over
the
the
actual
ductwork
that.
C
C
N
K
I
just
had
one
question
for
the
applicant.
The
reason
I
asked
about
the
lighting
is
I'm
wondering
if
you
would
be
open
to
considering
a
flush
recessed
light
in
the
riser
of
the
step
rather
than
a
continuous
led
strip.
I
do
recognize
the
need
for
the
lighting
as
a
safety
precaution
at
the
steps,
but
I
think
the
flush
fixture
in
the
riser
might
be
more
appropriate
for
this
district.
K
Yeah,
so
it's
one
fixture
and
it
sits
flush
in
the
riser
of
the
stair.
So
you
typically,
you
know
I
would
have
to
look
at
a
lighting
plan,
but
you
typically
have
you
know
two
or
three
of
these
in
the
length
of
the
stair
you'd
have
to
look
at
the
specifications
of
the
fixture,
but
you'd
have
accents
of
lights
rather
than
a
continuous,
led
strip
running
the
length
of
the
stair.
N
Okay,
now
one
of
the
concerns
I
have,
that
is
because
some
of
the
steps
are
not
even
like
four
inches
and
if
we're
going
to
do
the
nosing,
but
the
detail
I've
done
before
which,
because
I
I
don't
want
to
be
able
to
see
the
the
light
source
myself
is,
I
I
run
at
the
nosy
and
I
run
some
flashing
and
it
it
covers
the
light
source
so
that
you're
just
basically
getting
the
shadow
on
on
the
on
the
on
the
riser
and
you're,
not
gonna.
N
I
don't
really
want
to
blind
the
you
know.
The
client.
N
Now,
if
there
is
space,
because
I
think
they
usually
require
four
inches
high-
and
I
don't
know
if
I
have
four
inches
on
all
my
steps
so
then
I
could
consider
that
if
I,
if
I
have
that
if
I
have
that
clearance.
K
Okay,
thank
you.
Yes,
with
four
inches
yeah,
I'm
not
sure
that
you
will,
but
if
you
could
check
that
out
as
an
option,
it
would
be
appreciated.
N
D
You
members
of
the
public,
either
online
or
in
person
wishing
to
speak
on
this
case.
B
D
A
Hi
stephanie
benonato
p.o
box,
1601
santa
fe.
I
find
it
really
hard
to
know
what
is
being
actually
approved
here.
I
don't
find
the
drawings
to
be
at
all
clear
and
it
seems
like
there's
a
lot
of
confusion
on
the
part
of
the
board
members
as
to
what
you're
really
looking
at
I'm
wondering
if
you
shouldn't
actually
ask
for
resubmittal
with
in
updated
drawings,
and
the
other
thing
is-
and
I
appreciate
miss
aguilar's
interest
in
lighting.
A
I
think
it's
really
important
and
I
am
not
really
surprised
because
it's
been
happening,
but
really
lighting
came
to
the
board.
It's
an
important
part
of
the
design
and
to
just
again
give
it
to
staff.
We
have
lots
of
lights
now
that
are
maybe
maybe
having
a
you
know
where
the
light
doesn't
go
up,
but
it
definitely
goes
out.
There's
really
no
consideration
of
actually
down
lighting
as
opposed
to
out
lighting,
and
maybe
if
these
things
came
to
the
board,
there'd
be
a
little
more
consideration.
A
N
J
D
C
C
I
2022-005183
hdrb
at
571,
garcia
street.
I
moved
to
approve
the
application
with
the
following
corrections
to
the
staff
report
and
conditions
to
the
motion
that
the
pergola
would
be
constructed
completely
of
wood.
The
wood
beams,
the
reference
to
the
steel
post
and
beam
structure
in
the
staff
report
is
in
error.
I
I
believe
the
joints
accurately
reflect
the
pergola
as
proposed
that
the
trellis
material
be
the
only
additional
steel
structure
added
in
this
application
that
the
new
ac
units
or
any
rooftop
apartments
be
screened
such
that
they
are
not
visible
from
either
garcia
street
or
johnson
lane,
and
that
the
applicant
consider
the
suggestion
of
member
aguilar
majano
for
hidden
recessed
lighting.
That
is
not
an
led
strip.
D
Thank
you
and
good
luck
with
your
project
third
case
for
tonight
is
504
east
palace,
avenue,
downtown
and
eastside
historic
district.
This,
too,
is
old
business,
and
this
is
angela's
case.
B
I'll
be
making
enough
presentation:
okay,
carly,
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
advance
the
slides
for
me.
You
can
please
right.
So
this
building
is
located
at
504.
East
palace
avenue
is
on
the
southeast
corner
of
east
delgado,
I'm
sorry
southeast
corner
of
delgado
and
east
palace,
and
this
is
a
two-story
building
that
has
actually
two
phases
of
construction
that
are
actually
that
you
can
see
that
are
very
distinct.
B
B
Will
the
structure
itself
will
step
off
of
that
east
side
facade
by
six
inches
to
help
separate
it
as
well
as
being
the
can,
the
eve
itself
will
be
continued
and
tucked
I've
asked
the
applicant
for
some
additional
differentiation
and
the
detailing,
and
she
would
be
prepared
to
maybe
address
that
issue
this
evening.
B
If
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
please,
and
so
this
is
the
site
plan,
and
you
can
see
the
science
arroyo
that's
located
to
the
west,
as
well
as
the
sort
of
curve
turn
off
of
delgado
and
then
there's
east
palace
avenue.
There's
parking
on
the
side
as
well
as
a
garden
to
the
west
of
the
building
and
immediately
adjacent
to
the
south
and
east,
are
single-family
residences
as
well
as
across
the
street.
B
And
this
is
an
an
illustration
of
the
floor
plan
and,
as
you
can
see
it's
the
kitchen
built
you
know.
B
Currently
a
pantry
there
that
the
elevator
would
replace
and
go
to
the
next
slide
please
and
in
elevation
drawings
you
can
see
the
existing
with
that
addition
and
then
over
the
kitchen
addition,
and
then
the
proposed
illustrates
that
the
the
elevator
shaft
itself
will
have
a
stucco
exterior
that
will
be
matching
the
existing
color
of
the
stucco
of
that
edition.
79
edition
and
next
slide,
please,
and
then
this
is
the
front
view
nothing
will
change
on
the
north
elevation.
B
This
is
just
to
illustrate
the
you
know
heights
and
the
sort
of
formal
features
that
were
added
to
an
elegant
building
the
territorial
revival
style
and
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
oh
that's
it.
That
concludes
my
presentation,
so
maybe
go
back
one
carly,
so
everybody
has
a
point
of
reference.
Thank
you
be
happy
to
answer
your
questions.
B
Sure
so,
if
you
can
go
to
the
site
plan,
carly
the
visibility
from
east
palace
avenue,
you
can
see
that
it's
sort
of
tucked
back
on
the
particular
site
itself.
It
will
be
visible
to
the
residences,
to
the
south
and
to
the
east
of
the
site.
We
did
not
receive
any
public
comment,
though,
from
those
budding
property
owners
and
from
east
palace
avenue.
You
may
catch
it
just
a
little
bit
as
you're
driving
by,
but
there.
D
I
Thank
you.
I
apologize
if
I
missed
it
heather,
but
which
is
the
primary
facade
for
facades.
B
There
are
no
primary
sides
designated
on
the
building,
formally,
it's
a
contributing
building
in
the
downtown
eastside
historic
district.
Sorry,
I
forgot
to
say
that
at
the
beginning
of.
P
F
Beauty,
oh
thank
you.
Thank
you
chair.
No,
that's
that's
correct.
Your
primary
passage
have
not
been
assigned
it's.
My
understanding.
B
Well,
in
the
step,
review
and
analysis,
this
would
not
be
considered
a
primary
facade
and
because
it's
a
contributing
building
in
this
particular
case,
the
addition
would
not
impact
anything
that
would
be
qualified
for
primary
so
and
that
would
be
the
building
footprint.
The
original
building
footprint
and
the
east
west
and
north
facades
would
qualify.
J
Agreeing
just
for
further
clarification
on
that
point
is:
does
designation
of
a
primary
facade
require
notice
in
the
notice
to
the
public
prior
to
the
meeting.
F
I'm
not
jumping
here,
though
this
status
designation
does
the
primary
facade
designation.
We
definitely
notice
them,
but
they
are
not.
It
is
it's
actually
not
very
clear.
It's
not
clearly
in
the
fort's
purview
that
that
the
primary
facades
fall
within
the
fort.
It's
traditional
that
we've
been
taking
them
to
the
board
for
years,
though,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
clarification
that
it's
not
it's
not
specifically
in
the
code
that
way.
D
So
carly,
if
I
may,
I
I
think
that
that
the
board
kind
of
brings
forward
an
important
point.
You
know
it
seems
unlikely
that
the
rear
facade
would
ever
be
primary,
but
you
know
maybe
the
east
facade
would
is
it,
and
I
know
that
in
the
past,
in
other
cases
we
have
asked
to
designate
a
facade
prior
to
approving
a
change.
D
F
So
so
if
we
were
to
thank
you
chair,
but
if
we
were
to
move.
F
If
the
board
feels
comfortable
that
this,
that
likely
wouldn't
be
the
primary
facade,
then
that's
fine.
They
can
make
motion
now.
If
we
were
to
typically,
we
would
go
ahead
and
notice
a
primary
facade
designation
for
this
as
just
as
typical
and
but
it
because
it's
because
it's
it's
linked
so
closely
with
status.
F
That's
generally
how
we
do
it.
That
said,
it
becomes
a
different
kind
of
case
if
we
were
to
combine
those
the
reason
we
never
combined
cases
like
that.
Does
that
make
sense,
and
that
may
not
be
the
clearest
of
answers
and
I
can
clarify
a
little
bit
if
I
need
to
no.
D
C
D
One
case
and
then
subsequently
we
review
changes.
I
guess
my
question
is
you
know,
what's
the
before
we
hear
from
the
applicant,
what's
the
board's
pleasure
just
kind
of
procedurally,
how
do
we
feel
comfortable
reviewing
this
case
without
having
a
primary
facial
designated
and
if
we
do
then,
let's
proceed?
If
not,
then
let's
make.
I
Yeah
I
mean
I
recognize
this
is
a
very
small
addition,
and
I
appreciate
that
the
applicant
is
fitting
this
into
the
current
footprint,
but
I
don't
feel
comfortable
proceeding
without
having
a
thorough
review
of
of
the
structure
and
its
history.
It's
a
very
old
house
with
a
lot
of
character.
H
Yeah,
I
also
have
a
comment
just
relating
to
you
know
additions
to
historic
buildings.
You
know,
personally,
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
this
edition.
I
think,
according
to
you
know,
standard
recommendations
for
accessibility
in
historic
buildings.
H
We
should
consider
you
know
a
few
factors,
one
of
which,
especially
with
this
house,
is
the
case
of
symmetry,
and
currently,
I
think
you
know
the
the
structure.
The
addition
to
the
structure
that
exists
is
at
one
level
and
is
minimally
obtrusive
from
the
street
view
from
what
I
can
see
in
the
packet-
and
I
guess
my
curiosity
is
just
you
know-
will
having
two
stories
impact
the
view.
H
So,
in
my
opinion,
I
think,
even
if
this
were
to
be
two
stories,
we
have
to
afford
historic
buildings.
You
know
accessibility,
and
I
think
that
we
all
agree
on
that,
and
I
think
we
can
all
agree
that
this
likely
would
be
a
minimally
obtrusive
addition.
H
H
My
only
concern
is
you
know
that
this
is
clearly
needed
and
it's
clearly
from
I
can
tell
from
the
packet
it's
already
presenting
a
hardship
and
you
know
reducing
the
amount
of
space
in
the
kitchen
taking
away
from
you
know,
pantry
space,
and
all
of
that,
so
I
think
you
know
this
again
is
afforded
more
consideration,
but
you
know
I
wish
that
we
could
just
you
know
overview
that
at
the
moment
and
just
get
you
know
everything
moved
forward.
H
So
you
know
I
ideally
we
would
do
that,
but
I
understand
that
we
have
to
you,
know,
break
things
up
and
have
enough
time
to
research
things.
J
Yeah,
I'm
in
the
same
position
it's
something
of
a
procedural
formality.
At
this
stage,
I
think,
because
the
project
seems
eminently
approvable,
but
for
the
record
it
does
seem
that
we
would
be
skipping
a
step
to
be
approved
in
the
project
as
submitted
without
knowing
whether
or
not
it's
affecting
a
primary
facade
and
exceptions
are
needed.
J
D
H
Have
one
more
comment
to
add
and
that's
you
know,
I
think
we
have
to
allow
an
amount
of
flexibility,
and
I
just
want
to
be
clear
on
that.
You
know
I
think,
even
if
we
were
to
designate
you
know
one
of
the
other
elevations.
As
you
know
primary
you
know
we.
We
should
also
consider
that
there
should
be
an
amount
of
flexibility
or
exception
granted
for
this
kind
of
case.
So
I
would
just
request
and
stops
report
that
you
know
we
have
a
very
thorough.
H
You
know,
accounting
for
all
of
the
historic
fabric,
and
you
know
a
clear
chronology.
D
Thank
you,
yeah
heather.
Yes,.
B
Members
of
the
board,
with
reference
to
the
designation
of
primary
facades,
you
know
this
building
is
a
contributing
building
and
typically,
when
there's
a
status
change,
those
primary
facades
are
really
important
in
informing
the
way
forward,
but
there
is
no
status
change,
that's
being
proposed
in
this
particular
case.
I
do
understand
and
hear
the
concerns
of
the
board,
and
you
know
part
of
it
may
be
that
it's
been
a
long
time
since
I've
been
a
board
staff
member,
but
you
know,
needless
to
say,
staff
from
a
staff
recommendation
standpoint.
D
B
So
but
we'll
you
all
can
think
about
that
and
we'll
hear
from
the
public,
and
I
guess
the
applicant.
D
Well,
I
was
going
to
suggest
that
if
it
is
the
board's
direction
to
postpone
the
case
that
we
do
not
hear
the
the
design
presentation
tonight
that
we
postpone
and
hear
both
the
primary
facade
case
and
this
design
case
in
the
correct
sequence
at
a
date
certain
yes,
member
benvenue.
Thank.
J
You
just
one
clarification
heather.
I
agree
that
the
back
elevation,
I
can't
imagine,
being
designated
as
a
primary
facade,
but
isn't
it
true
that
this
would
require
an
exception
if
the
east
elevation
were
designated
as
primary,
because
it's
not
set
10
feet
back.
B
So
it
has
been
the
practice
of
the
board
board
member
bienvenue
that
the
primary
facades
can
be
done
in
components,
not
just
an
entire
elevation.
B
So
that
begs
the
question:
would
you
designate
that
kitchen
addition
as
primary
there
on
that
east
elevation,
or
would
it
be
the
footprint
of
the
original
house,
the
hipped
box
so
and
staff's
recommendation?
It
would
be
the
footprint
of
the
original
house,
not
necessarily
the
kitchen
edition,
because
I
would
find
that
it
does
not
have
those
contributing
elements
from
a
historic
standpoint
that
would
cause
for
it
to
be
designated
as
primary.
F
Heather,
I
believe
the
question,
though,
is
that
that,
if
the
addition
isn't
within
10
feet
of
the
that
hitch
box,
that
one
facade
of
hitbox-
and
I
believe
it
is
within
the
10
feet,
but
it
is
set
off
no
never
mind.
I
was
thinking
something
else,
but
it
would
be
within
10
feet
of
that
facade.
So
technically
it
would
end
up
requiring
an
exception.
F
So
if
we
want
to
place
this
on
the
same
hearing,
we
want
to
do
a
status
review
for
another
stats,
review,
primary
facade,
designation
and
a
and
this
addition
on
the
same
hearing,
then
we
step
this
just
puts
the
staff
in
the
position
to
make
a
very
informed
choice
on
which
facade
we
think
would
be
chosen
as
primary
and
then
to
apply
an
exception
or
not
to
an
appliance
exception.
You
generally
might
go
the
route,
applying
an
exception
in
case
the
board.
Choose
that
that
facade.
E
D
Carly,
what
is
the
pleasure
of
the
board.
D
Melissa,
may
we
have
a
roll
call
vote.
Please
remember.
J
D
And
this
is
for
a
date,
certain
september
13th
apologies
to
the
applicant,
and
we
understand
that
you
know
the
delay
is
not
desirable.
E
G
I
just
wanted
to
comment.
Excuse
me
that.
C
G
D
We
are
not
hearing
this
case.
You
may
make
a
comment
later
in
the
hearing.
D
Okay,
let's
move
on
to
the
next
case
under
new
business
465
camino
de
las
animas.
This
is
listed
as
angela's
case.
Oh,
this
one
is
supposed
to
apologize.
634,
garcia
street
number
19
also
listed
as
angela's
case.
B
Yes,
but
I
will
be
presenting
in
this
particular
case,
targuita
members
of
the
board.
This
this
site
is
located
within
the
ann
webster
compound
and
it
is
off
of
garcia
street
and
is
on
the
north.
B
I'm
sorry
southeast
corner
of
the
the
compound
itself
unit
number
19.
You
can
see
here
circled
in
red
and
please
go
to
the
next
clip,
and
this
is
an
illustrative
illustration
of
the
the
flat
itself
for
the
compound.
If
you
can
go
the
next
one,
so
this
is
the
elevation
that
is
being
considered
for
a
primary
facade
designation.
B
B
B
There
are
windows,
though,
that
are
all
along
that
west
elevation
and
you
can
see
small
windows
that
are,
you
can
see
the
footprint
here
that
are
at
the
front
of
the
building
they're
identified
as
a
and
b.
If
you
look
at
the
proposed
floor
plan,
those
were
smaller
windows
that
have
been
changed
over
time
and
portions
have
been
infilled
at
the
field
visit.
We
could
see
that
and
so
ray
patterson
did
an
analysis
of
the
windows
over
the
entire
structure
of
the
house
and
found
that
these
windows
were
not
considered.
B
Historic
were
not
historic,
so
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
restore
those
windows
to
their
original
configuration.
So,
even
though
it
was
on
a
primary
facade,
they
were
the
pleasure
of
the
board
in
this
particular
case.
They
are
restoring
the
windows
as
they
were
originally
within
the
building.
There
are
other
windows
that
are
being
proposed
for
replacement
on
the
building
and
they
primarily
are
not
on
the
primary
facade,
in
fact
aren't
on
the
primary
facade,
and
there
was
once
a
wood
shed
that
was
converted
into
a
dining
room.
C
B
Side
of
the
screen
there,
where
there's
french
doors
and
then
also
there
have
been
some
changes
that
have
been
made
over
the
years
on
the
what
would
be
the
south
elevation
where
the
level
french
doors
are
being
proposed.
That
was
once
a
large
glazed
window
that
had
since
been
removed
and
replaced
with
doors.
So
that
is
a
non-historic
change
where
the
door
is
being
proposed
for
changing
as
well.
B
B
And
so
this
is
an
elevation
of
the
existing
building
as
well
as
proposed,
and
you
can
see
on
the
primary
facade.
None
of
the
opening
sizes
will
change
the
front
door
will
remain.
That's
not
going
to
be
changed
beyond
you
can
see
one
of
the
french
doors
there
from
the
dining
room
that
may
be
changed.
That
door
may
be
changed
and
it's
slated
as
such
and
then
but
it's
a
relatively
new
door
and
then,
if
you
continue
to
the
next
slide,.
B
B
And
this
final
slide
illustrates
some
of
the
other
windows
that
are
not
historic.
Staff
agrees
with
the
assessment
that
ray
patterson
made,
and
so
therefore,
the
the
primary
windows
for
preservation
on
that
western
elevation
are
the
ones
that
are
recommended
by
ray
patterson,
as
well
as
by
staff
for
preservation,
and
then
those
windows
a
and
b
being
restored
and
rebuilt,
as
they
were
historically
with
that
single
glaze
single
panel
glaze
is
still
same
style
but
just
rebuilt.
D
Heather
a
clarification.
It
says
that
in
the
staff
report
that
is
proposed
number
one
that
the
west
elevation
be
designated
as
a
primary
facade
is.
B
C
B
D
The
compound
is
contributing,
okay
and-
and
you
know,
I
guess,
related
to
our
last
case.
A
carly
question,
for
you
I
mean
is:
is
this
okay,
that,
in
terms
of
its
noticing,
were
properly
noticed
to
both
designate
a
primary
facade
in
this
case,
and
these
changes.
F
Well,
thank
you
chair,
so
technically
we're
we're
seeing
the
primary
facade.
We
would
separate
these
two.
They
always
have
to
be
selfish,
but
yeah.
The
apple
can't
supply
a
window
assessment,
as
is
was
stated,
and
none
of
these
are-
and
I
believe
that
heather
craig,
if
I'm
wrong,
these
are
not
historic
windows
that
are
being
replaced.
F
We,
what
the
board
really
needs
to
rule
on
tonight
is
the
primary
facade
designation
from
there.
We
will
take
and
we
can
do
the
administrative
approval
and
assess
the
windows
properly
by
combining
them.
It
does
create
logistical
problems
with
the
case
information,
and
we
just
talked
about
how
I
like
to
combine
everything,
but
not
the
kind
of
cases
that
they
are.
D
F
Yes,
chair
due
to
the
fact
that
the
rest
of
it
just
becomes
administrative
approval
that
can
be
done
directly
after
this
hearing.
I
Clarification,
the
the
window
assessment
does
say
that
windows,
c
d
and
e
are
historic
and
those
are
on
the
west
facade.
That's
proposed
as
primary.
F
Yes,
sorry
for
the
confusion
chair
member,
be
shy;
yes,
that
also
administrative
approval
for
repairs.
Okay,
thank
you.
D
H
Yeah,
just
to
be
clear,
the
language
says
to
restore
windows
a
through
f.
So
I
think
we
should
be
very
clear
as
to
how
that
defines.
There's
a
difference
between
repair
and
restore
your
story
would
imply
that
we
were
returning
to
a
historic
appearance
and
repair
would
be
that
we
were
repairing
what
was
already
there.
D
We
will
do
that
and
we'll
be
checking.
I
There's
one
more
clarification
on
the
stock
report.
I
believe
the
the
agenda
notices
an
exception
for
the
removal
of
historic
materials.
Is
that
an
error?
Is
there
an
exception
required.
B
Yes,
I
these
captions
were
written
a
while
ago
and
there
has
been
a
change
in
the
application,
and
so
you
know
there
have
been
conversations
about
some
windows
being
removed
that
are
actually
going
to
be
repaired.
Okay,
thank.
A
D
Okay,
if
there
are
no
other
comments
from
the
board,
we
are
hearing
this
case.
I
would
invite
the
applicant
to
now
come
to
the
podium.
D
G
D
Sounds
like
we're
going
to
review
tonight
what
can
be
approved
by
the
board
and
then
move
forward,
and
if
it's,
if
it's
the
case,
that
it
can
be
removed,
reviewed
administratively,
then
that
will
be
done.
I
think
the
other
clarification
was
the
intent
to
either
repair
or
restore
historic
windows.
What
is
what
is
the
intent
here.
D
C
H
Question
first
off:
if
that
is
the
case,
if
they
are
replacing
a
kind
that
can
still
go
through
administrative
approval.
Okay,
thank
you.
F
Thank
you,
I'm
the
chair
and
member
larson.
So
if
that
for
historic
windows,
they
have
those
have
to
be
repaired,
just
to
use
clear
code,
language,
those
have
to
be
repaired
and
then
for
otherwise
they
would
have
to
go
to
the
board
if
they're
being
replaced.
F
But
if
they're,
not
historic
windows,
then,
and
they
provide
a
proof,
as
this
assessment
is
stating,
then
they
can
replace
and
if
the,
if
these
windows
have
been
replaced
in
kind
of
the
replacement,
would
be
unkind
to
the
the
the
historic
vendors
of
the
house.
Yes,
and
that
is
administrative
approval,
but
replacement
comes
to
the
board,
with
exceptions
generally.
J
F
C
H
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you,
for
you
know
doing
as
many
repairs
as
you
can
with
these
windows.
I
think
a
lot
of
people
you
know
want
to
take
the
avenue.
The
easy
route
to
you
know,
replace
everything
and
have
it
all
uniform
and
new.
So
I
just
want
you
to
know
that
we
recognize
and
really
appreciate
the
effort
to
you
know,
be
more
sustainable
and,
to
you
know,
respect
the
historic
fabric.
That's.
I
All
right,
for
example,
windows,
a
and
b
include
a
wooden
still
and
a
wooden
lintel
and
a
deep
inset.
Will
those
elements
be
preserved
in
the
replacement.
C
D
A
A
I
do
believe
that,
of
course,
you
do
have
to
designate
a
primary
facade
first
before
you
look
at
what's
going
on
and
then
depending
on
that
primary
designation,
whether
there
are
exceptions
that
it
would
be
needed,
it
seems
that
if
the
windows
have
been
it's
unclear
to
me,
because
staff
keeps
saying
it
well,
the
windows
aren't
aren't
old,
and
but
it's
not
just
the
windows,
it's
the
opening
itself.
So
are
the.
Is
the
opening
being
preserved?
I'm
thinking
yes
from
what
I'm
hearing,
but
I
think
that's.
A
The
question
is:
is
the
window
opening
historic
and
is
the
window
opening
being
preserved?
Now
there
are
obviously
places
where
there
were
windows,
and
now
there
are
doors
so
whether
they
replace
them
with
a
door
or
not,
is
probably
not
important
to
this
board
at
this
point
out
of
your
purview,
but.
C
A
D
Definitely
do
we.
F
Chair
we
have
none
online.
I
do
want
to
just
make
a
comment
very
quickly,
based.
D
F
Perview,
I
did
not
say
that
staff
was
assigning
primary
facades.
I
just
want
to
address
stephanie's
question.
I
did
state
that
it
is
not
in
the
code
perfume
point
taken,
but
as
for
clarity,
we
bring
primary
facades
to
the
board
currently,
but
it
is
not
recognized
formally
in
the
code
just
for
clarification.
C
D
C
J
I
would
move
that
the
west
elevation
be
designated
as
the
primary
facade
and
while
recognizing
that
board
approval
is
not
strictly
needed
and
administrative
approval
could
be
granted
for
the
following.
Nonetheless,
in
the
interest
of
efficiency
and
for
the
sake
of
the
applicant
not
having
to
return
for
administrative
approval,
I
would
add
that
the
board
also
approves
a
restoration
of
windows,
a
through
f
on
the
west
elevation
and
replacement
in
like
and
in
kind
of
windows
g
through
j
and
doors.
Two
through
four.
H
H
J
C
J
So
it's
not
clear
to
me
that
the
ordinance
contemplates
that
distinction,
but
I
defer
to
staff.
I
just
don't
want
to
add
something
that
we
don't
have
a
legal
basis
for
so
carly
or
member
of
staff.
Is
there
in
your
mind
a
distinction
between
repair
and
restore,
as
set
forth
in
the
ordinance
for
historic
windows.
F
F
It
recognizes
repair,
so
the
distinction
is
is
is
helpful,
but
the
way
we
tend
to
use
our
words
and
board
motions
until
we
have
this
as
a
definition
and
potentially
a
code
revision
is
that
you
would
describe
to
return
it
to
its
to
a
historic,
is
historic,
close
to
a
historic
fab,
historic
original
or
something
of
that
nature.
That's
been
the
way
the
board
has
been
working
around
that
issue
just
because
we
don't
have
it
defined
in
our
codes,
but
I
will
be
taking
notes
more
code.
J
With
that,
shall
we
then
modify
the
motion
to
indicate
that
the
historic
window
should
be
repaired
to
their
to
the
historic
original
condition.
H
Yes,
so
to
correct
my
earlier
statement
about
repair
versus
restoration,
I
would
like
to
indicate
instead
that
we
are
repairing
to
the
historic
appearance.
I
Thank
you,
remember
bienvenue.
I
understood
the
applicant
to
end
the
application
under
assessment
to
just
say
that
windows,
c
d
and
e
of
the
primary
facade
in
your
as
of
your
motion
are
historic
and
that
those
would
be
repaired,
but
the
others
on
the
same
facade,
which
are
a
b
and
f,
would
be
replaced.
D
G
I
think
that
was
our
our
proposal
before
we
were
told
to
hire
ray
patterson.
C
L
C
H
D
Okay,
we
have
a
clear
motion:
okay,
let's
then
do
a
roll
call
vote.
Please.
E
C
D
D
F
I
can
go
before
it's
we've
been
doing
a
little
tag
team
with
me
being
out
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
take
it.
So
this
is.
This
is
a
part
of
the
large
compound.
It's
a15
east
palace
avenue,
number
29..
C
F
Well,
it's
a
part
of
a
large
compound.
It
is
non-contributing
cursor
to
go
down
we're
looking
at
the
front
gate
from
the
south
side
here
here,
the
elevations.
You
can
see
it's
two-story
in
some
areas,
one
story
and
the
other
with
some
great
change
around
the
site.
So
the
north
side,
you
can
see
the
north
side
here
and
then
the
east
side.
F
So
here
here's
our
chef,
we're
looking
at
the
the
application
here
is
in
response
to
a
red
tag.
There
was
a
ministry
of
approval
written
early
in
the
year
and
for
a
certain
amount
of
scope,
the
scope
was
what
they
went
beyond
the
company
that
was
fired
from
the
omniscope
and
moved
several
things
without
seeking
the
approval
and
going
through
the
board.
So
the
structure
is
one
of
the
the
the
stucco
shed
here
is
the
rebuild
of
it
and
removal
and
then
move
it,
removing
it
to
another
site,
another
area.
F
That
is
what
really
triggers
it
to
go
to
the
board.
So
what
we're
looking
at
is
the
stucco
shack
here.
F
This
is
another
part
of
the
proposal:
a
high
school,
a
42
inch
high
stone
wall,
we're
looking
at
a
six
foot,
coyote
fence
and
we're,
and
then
we've
got
some
landscape
work
of
regretting
of
steps.
But
really
the
new
coyote
fence
falls
within
that
scope.
As.
C
F
So
this
is
the
six
foot
coyote
fence
this,
the
coyote
fences
in
the
back
here.
The
six
foot
is
in
the
backyard
and
all
the
the
newer
coyote
fence
portions
are
offset
from
the
street
so
that
that
six
foot
we
are
recommending
for
approval,
but
we
do
have
the
the
main
issue
that
we're
seeing
tonight
is
just
the
the
stucco
shed.
That's
gonna
be
built
from
this
place
with
that
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
go
to
the
here's.
F
The
proposed
floor
plan
and
you'll
see
the
stucco
shed
right
here,
and
it
shows
up
again
right
here
on
these.
This
is
the
south,
and
this
is
the
east
facade.
F
Okay,
and
then
we
are
looking
at
the
north
facade
here
and
then
the
west
facade,
and
with
that,
let
me
go
ahead
and
turn
it
over
to
the
applicant.
D
It's
just
a
quick
clarification.
What
I
saw
in
the
report
that
the
property
was
red
tagged?
What
of
the
work
that
we're
considering
tonight?
What
portions
of
the
work
have
already
been
completed.
F
B
Yes,
on
the
staff
reports,
the
number
on
the
staff
report
is
19
listed
as
19,
but
it
is
29
and.
D
E
P
P
They
moved
so
they
rebuilt
the
fence
and
moved
it
over
to
the
condo.
So
apparently
it
was
somewhere
between
six
inches
and
a
foot
and
a
half
off
what
you
would
call
a
condo
property
line.
So
with
the
permission
of
their
neighbor.
P
In
place,
that's
already
done,
and
there
was
a
shed.
That
was,
I
think
you
can
see
on
your
drawing.
It
was
kind
of
towards
the
front
of
the
property
and
they
moved
it
to
the
back
and
it
kind
of
half
fell
down
and
they
put
it
back
together
and
that's
there,
that's
not
what
we're
proposing,
because
that
doesn't
need
zoning.
P
C
K
Well,
I
recognize
the
work
has
already
been
done
just
for
record
purposes.
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
indicate
the
type
and
the
color
of
the
stone
that
was
used
to
construct
the
wall
and
then
referring
to
the
wall,
detail
I
believe
the
detail
has
it
indicated
as
two
foot
four
inches,
even
though
there's
one
that
is
48
inches,
I
believe,
but
that
detail
could
just
be
revised
to
either
say
four
foot
max
or
very
referred
site
plan.
C
K
Chair
guida,
can
you
help?
What
would
you
recommend
in
this
case?
Can
it
be
a
verbal
confirmation,
or
can
it
be
something
that
is
submitted
to
staff
just
for
record
purposes.
D
We
have
we
have
two
ways
of
going
about
this
typically
and
board.
Members
can
correct
me
if
I'm
I'm
wrong
as
well
staff.
You
know
if
it's
relatively
minor,
it's
something
that
we
acknowledge
in
the
motion
and
if
it's
something
that
is
a.
C
D
Is
something
that
the
board
is
clear
about
in
terms
of
dimensions,
appearance,
materials
and
stuff?
Like
that?
And
in
those
instances
we
do
ask
for
the
applicant
to
update
drawings
and
submit
them
to
staff.
D
Again
to
me,
you
know
this
and
this
may
kind
of
kind
of
fall
on
the
edge
to
me.
You
know
if
it's
something.
C
K
P
C
K
D
Board
members
any
additional
comments
for
the
applicant
chris.
Thank
you
for
going
through
all
that.
Do
we
have
any
members
of
the
public
either
online
or
in
person
wishing
to
testify
tonight
in
this
case,.
H
B
J
If
I
could
get
a
further
clarification
of
the
point
about
asking
for
details
about,
the
fences
is
a
very
good
one,
because
we
do
get
into
details
about
coyote
fences
when
they
come
before
us.
So
just
two
more
issues,
one
is:
are
the
structural
members
on
the
inside
or
the
in,
or
the
exterior
of
the
fence.
P
J
Okay
and
are
the
tops
of
the
latias
staggered.
P
D
E
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chris.
Thank
you
have
a
good
night.
Okay.
So
next
on
the
agenda
is
discussion,
items
from
staff
carly
heather.
Do
we
have
any
discussion.
F
I
don't
have
a
discussion
I
didn't
chair,
but
I
do
have
one
one
food
for
thought
something
to
take
away,
but
we
will
need
to
do
board
elections,
so
I
will
be
sending
out
an
email.
We
it's
in
our
code
that
we
yearly
need
to
elect
our
chair
and
our
vice
chair,
and
we
are
now
missing
our
vice
chair.
So
please
expect
that
to
be
coming
forward
to
you.
D
Okay,
if
that's
all
we'll
move
on
to
matters
from
the
board,
members
of
the
board,
any
comments
or
discussion
items
tonight,
we'll.
I
D
Very
well
done.
Thank
you.
Okay.
Our
next
meeting
for
the
historic
district
review
board
is
tuesday
september
13th
2022..
If
we
have
a
motion
to
adjourn,
we
can
journal.