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A
Got
it
all
right,
perfect?
Madam
chair,
you
are
now
live
on
youtube
and
can
start
the
meeting.
B
Great,
thank
you
so
much
good
afternoon,
I'd
like
to
call
to
order
today
on
the
28th
of
april
at
3
p.m.
The
third
meeting
of
the
independent
citizen,
redistricting
commission,
call
us
to
order
and
if
I
could
get
roll
call
to
show
who's
present
and
also
verify
that
we
have
a
quorum.
Madame
city
clerk
or
madam
assistant
clerk.
C
C
B
You
very
much
I
appreciate
that
we
got
everybody
reflected
present,
that's
on
the
screen,
right,
good,
good
and
as
I've
done
before,
I
want
to
acknowledge
those
city
members
that
are
present
with
us
during
this
meeting
in
case
there's
public
members
from
the
community
watching
or
listening,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
they
know
who
our
city
officials
are
that
are
helping
us
as
we
move
forward
our
our
city,
clerk,
madame
city
clerk,
christine
bustos,
mel
hesek,
our
assistant
clerk,
geralin
cardenas
and
our
city,
senior
city
attorney,
marcos,
martinez
and
the
rest
are
members
from
our
powerpoint.
B
I'm
sorry,
members
from
our
consultants
will
be
talking
a
little
bit
about
their
powerpoint
presentation
and
and
mr
sandoff
will
introduce
his
his
staff
at
that
point.
So,
let's
go
on
to
the
next
item
on
the
agenda.
Is
the
actual
approval
of
the
agenda?
Do
you
have
any.
E
A
second
I
saw.
E
B
B
D
Aye,
yes,.
G
E
B
E
I
I
I'm
not
making
the
motion
of
this
point.
I
did
share
with
you
and
with
staff
some
comments
or
suggestions
that
I
have
that
would
amend
or
alter
the
minutes
or
and
add
to
the
minutes.
How
do
does
anyone
have
a
recommendation?
How
we'd
like
to
proceed
with
that.
B
Christine
are
you
on
with
us,
madam
city
clerk.
Are
you
listening
to
this
conversation?
She
may
not
be
oh
there.
She
is
in
terms
of
the
minutes.
A
Okay,
I
apologize
man
chair,
I
was
taking
another
phone
call
for
a
different
meeting.
What
what
was
the
question
about
the
minutes
so.
B
We're
we're
on
item
for
approval
of
minutes,
and
mr
brichner
has
kindly
prepared
some
additions
to
the
minutes.
You
email
them
to
me
as
well
as
to
you
and
he's
asking
the
the
process
that
we
want
to
follow
in
terms
of
how
to
add
them
on
there.
B
Of
course,
he
can
make
a
motion
to
amend
the
minutes
as
presented
and
then
add
all
of
his
suggestions,
which
I
I
looked
at
and
appeared
quite
valid,
and
then
I
also
have
a
couple
of
adjustments
additions
to
add
to
that,
and
so
we're
trying
to
figure
out
the
best
way
to
to
proceed.
B
It's
always
been
my
preference
to
have
any
commissioner
who
is
voting
on
an
item
to
know
fully
what
they're
voting
on
and
to
approve
the
minutes.
It
would
be
useful
if
all
commissioners
saw
the
adjustments
that
mr
richner
is
recommending
and
the
two
that
I
also
plan
to
recommend.
B
So
I'm
not
sure
if
we
want
to
proceed
with
having
him
list
them
all
or
if
we
want
to
perhaps
and
then
amend
the
agenda
as
is,
and
the
commissioners
all
could
feel
comfortable,
approving
the
minutes
as
they
are
or
if
we
want
them
stated
and
then
have
this.
The
city
type
them
up
and
send
them
to
all
the
commissioners
so
that
they
in
turn
can
look
at
them
and
then
perhaps
vote
on
them
at
the
next
meeting.
B
So
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
appropriate
to
do
that,
and
maybe
either
this
madam
city
clerk
or
our
attorney
can
give
us
the
best
way
to
process.
It's
not
a
big
issue,
but
it
is
an
issue.
That's
important
from
the
standpoint
that
the
minutes
need
to
reflect
the
actions
taken
by
the
the
commission
and
and
at
this
point
the
minutes
are
very
thin
and-
and
I
think
it
would
be
for
historical
purposes
and
for
purposes
of
clearly
outlining
what
work
this
commission
has
done.
B
It
would
be
who
us
if
we
added
more
verbage,
that
clearly
explained
what's
going
on.
So
I
hope
I
captured
the
gist
of
the
small
issue.
A
Yes,
so
I
will
start
with
some
background
information,
and
then
we
can
go
from
there.
One
is
the
city
of
santa
fe
takes
notes
and
follows
the
open
meetings
act
that
our
our
minutes
are
reflections
of
action
items
and
that's
consistent
with
the
open
meetings
act.
So
I
know
there
were
some
questions
as
to
why
non-action
items
weren't
included
on
the
minutes.
It's
because
the
minutes
reflect
action
items.
A
That's
just
a
side
note
and
then,
because
this
committee
actually
is
streamed,
live
on
youtube
and
all
of
the
the
minutes
are
still
excuse
me.
The
meetings
are
available
on
the
youtube
channel
for
additional
detail.
If
the
desire
of
this
commission
was
to
have
verbatim
minutes,
then
we
would
look
at
getting
a
different,
hiring
and
outsides
to
not
grow
fur,
but
the
city
actually
for
committees.
A
Does
action
item
minutes
and
that's
what
we
do
for
our
city
council
minutes
as
well
city,
council
committee
meetings,
so
that's
kind
of
the
tier
that
we've
put
redistricting
in
the
second
item.
A
Is
that
traditionally
the
way
that
other
council
committees
and
governing
body
approve
their
minutes
is
that
the
changes
are
noted
or
listed
by
the
person
or
commission
member
looking
to
amend
the
minute
so
would
say
like
on
item
six,
I
would
like
to
insert
the
word
and
or
correct
the
name,
those
types
of
things
they
verbally
state
them,
and
then
we
vote
to
approve
them
or
not,
or
the
commission
votes
to
approve
them
or
not.
A
We
generally
don't
recirculate
minutes
with
amendments
for
approval
at
the
next
meeting,
but
if
that
is
a
desire
of
the
commission,
we
can
do
that
include
them
in
the
packet
and
then
they
would
be
essentially
approving
minutes
in
advance.
The
other
thing
we
can
do
moving
forward
if
you'd
like
is
include
amendments
that
have
been
received
as
additional
packet
material
and
then
you
could
vote
on
minutes
and
amendments
per
attachment.
If
that's
a
desire
of
the
commission.
B
Okay,
our
attorney
mr
martinez
anything
to
add
to
that
or
does
that
capture?
What
is
the
protocol.
H
H
The
process
is
the
draft
minutes
are
prepared,
and
this
is
out
of
the
straight
out
of
the
open
meetings
act
after
the
meeting
and
shall
be
approved,
amended
or
disproved
at
the
next
meeting
where
a
quorum
is
present.
So
generally,
the
preference
is
to
review
the
suggested
changes
to
the
minutes
at
the
at
the
next
available
meeting,
which
is
this
one
go
going
over
them
and
then
adopting
those
changes
so
that
the
minutes
can
become
official.
E
I
I
really
am
not
trying
to
over
complicate
things.
It's
just
that
when,
if
only
the
action
items
from
the
last
meeting
are
reflected
where
the
only
two
action
items,
I
guess
were
the
approval
of
the
agenda
and
the
approval
of
the
minutes
and
it's
a
two-hour
meeting
without
a
little
bit
of
summary,
of
how
we
handled
the
rest
of
the
agenda,
it
was
my
thought
that
anybody
looking
at
the
minutes
would
think
we
were
crazy.
E
So
I
fleshed
it
out
just
with
like
one-liners
with
those
items
where
the
agenda
items
where
something
was
done
or
where
a
discussion
was
held
and
just
noted
that
there
was
a
discussion
or
comments
or
review.
E
So
if,
if,
if,
if
it's,
the
preference
of
the
committee,
that
of
the
commission
members
that
I
go
through
that
and
add
those
things
as
an
amendment
to
the
minutes,
I'll
be
glad
to
do
that
now.
If
we
want
to
stick
with
the
very
limited
process
that
the
city
clerk
outlined,
that's
fine
too,
however,
however,
whatever
the
sense
of
the
commission
might
be.
B
Mr
richard,
I
I
read
your
email,
I
think
what
you
suggested.
It's
very
appropriate,
there's
nothing
verbatim
about
what
you
suggested.
They're
very
summary
in
nature,
and
I
think
this
maybe
three
three
or
four
points
that
you
listed
are
relevant
and
based
on
our
adam
city
clerks
and
our
attorney's
guidance.
B
E
All
right,
then,
I
guess
we
need
to
propose
adopting
the
minutes
and
then
I'll
propose.
The
amendments
is
that
the
way
we
would
go
about
that.
B
E
E
Then
I
will
propose
to
adopt
the
minutes
as
I'm
about
to
amend
them.
E
So
the
summary
of
the
changes
is
where
for
agenda
item
for
approval
of
consent,
agenda
item.
That
was
the
item
on
the
previous
agenda.
We
just
add
the
word.
None
and
and
four
would
replace
the
four
that's
there
and
then
what's
there
is
four
becomes
five
and
then
we
continue
matters
from
the
staff
just
adding.
E
Basically
the
name
city
of
santa
fe
gis
coordinator,
introduction,
comma
leonard
padilla,
number,
seven
becomes
a
presentation
and
a
research
and
polling
presentation
of
redistricting
alternatives:
brian
sanderoff
president
research
and
polling
and
brittany,
poss
research
in
polling
item,
eight
was
action,
items
consent
and
there
was
none.
E
Nine
is
matters
from
the
committee
and
I
had
added
the
words
discussion
and
questions
from
commissioners
concerning
the
research
and
polling
presentation
item
10
matters
from
the
chair.
I
added
proposals
and
discussion
of
upcoming
meetings
of
the
commission
and
public
presentations
of
redistricting
proposals
and
proposed
dates.
E
Number
11
public
comment.
I
added
the
word.
None
number
12
was
next
meeting
rather
than
saying
no
scheduled
meeting.
I
said
scheduled
for
april
28th,
3
p.m,
and
adjourn
number
13
would
be
the
same
as
what's
in
the
draft
that
we
were
presented
with,
and
that's
the
conclusion
of
what
I
had
thank
you.
B
Thank
you
and-
and
you
made
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
as
amended,
and
I
need
a
second.
I
didn't
ask
for
one.
That
was
my
failure.
Mr
donato
is
raising
his
hand
for
a
second
any
discussion
of
emotion
in
a
second
prove
the
minutes
as
amended
discussion,
or
any
clarification
on
what
mr
brichner
just
shared.
B
Well,
the
only
thing
I
wanted
to
be
clear
about
was
that
under
the
chairs
matters
from
the
chair
that
we
dealt
with
scheduling
of
meetings
and
community
outreach,
I
think
what
mr
brechner
verbalized
discussed,
setting
schedules
setting
meetings
up,
so
I
think
that
covered
it
and
the
other
piece
was
community
outreach.
B
A
Okay,
perfect,
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
motion
that
mr
bruckner
made
didn't
include
your
items.
So
if
you
wanted
to
include
them,
they
would
need
to
be
added
as
a
possibly
friendly.
I
don't
know
mr
buckner
did
you
want
to
include
those
additional
items
so
that
they're
incorporated
in
your
motion?
If
not,
you
would
be
approving
and
amended.
You
would
be
approving
amended
minutes
without
those
items.
D
Yes,
I
am
so.
A
Okay,
perfect,
as
long
as
we're
clear
that
the
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
as
amended
include
both
the
amendments
presented
by
mr
bruckner
and
ms
ortiz.
I
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
clerk,
for
clarifying
that
any
questions.
Further
discussion,
roll
call
please
on
approval
of
minutes,
as
amended.
F
D
E
B
Passed.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
that
appreciate
the
roll
call
and
thank
you,
commissioner,
brichner,
for
the
work
that
you've
done.
I
think
it's
important
that
we
get
our
work
done
and
also
document
for
historical
purposes.
The
the
work
has
that
has
been
done
and
I
appreciate
you
being
very
succinct
and
and
some
reform
to
present
those
changes.
Thank
you
for
that.
B
Okay
item
number:
five:
we're
going
to
move
on
to
matters
from
the
staff,
madam
clerk,
anything.
A
Yes,
madam
chair,
commission
members,
I
would
like
to
know
two
updates.
One
is
that
the
main
library
downtown
is
available
for
the
may
24th
or
the
june
14th
meeting,
and
I
would
just
note
that
originally
we
had
discussed
a
senior
center
which
would
have
been
the
maryester
gonzales
senior
center.
However,
staff
recommended
the
main
library,
perhaps
in
place
of
that
location.
So
I
was
going
to
offer
that
to
this
commission
and
then
the
southside
library
is
available
for
the
june
28
meeting
date.
A
That
is
because
of
early
voting
that
is,
and
other
scheduling
conflicts,
that's
the
date
that's
available
for
the
south
side,
and
then
we
are
still
pending
availability
from
the
hanover
chavez
center
hearing
back
from
staff
about
a
potential
date.
So
if
those
are
those
are
basically
the
locations
presented
at
this
time
with
dates
which
again
I'm
happy
to
announce
one
more
time.
The
main
library
is
available
on
may
24th
and
june
14th
we're
still
pending
gcc
availability
from
staff
and
then
the
south
side
library
for
the
628
meeting.
B
Okay,
miss
quintana
hat.
You
had
your
hand
raised
in
this
regard,
I'm
assuming
no
okay.
I
saw
that
okay,
so
any
comments
from
commissioners
questions.
B
So
the
south
side
library
june
28th
is
is
the
date
that's
available.
That
was
one
of
our
dates
that
we
picked.
The
mary
esther
gonzalez,
which
district
is
that?
Where
does
that
sit
in.
A
I
believe
that
sits
in
district
one
or
two.
I
can
pull
that
up.
A
Yes,
so
gcc
is
three,
I'm
sorry
district,
four
and
south
side
library
is
district,
three
and
then
meg
would
have
been
district.
I
believe
it's
district
one
or
two.
We
once
we
got
into.
B
There
were
no,
there
were
no
changes
in
district
one
and
the
first
three
options
so
we're
trying
to
trying
to
we're
trying
to
pull
as
many
people
as
possible.
That
was
my
understanding,
so
if
we
could
have
it
in
either
of
the
other
districts
that
have
more
of
a
change
in
the
configuration
that
hopefully
we
would
get
more
people
and
that's
what
was
my
understanding
from
our
last
meeting,
yes,
did
we
get
any
school
possibilities.
A
Yes,
if
there
is
a
school
that
you
would
like
me
to
look
into,
I'm
happy
to
coordinate
with
one
specifically,
but
I
did
want
to
provide
the
locations
within
the
city
that
we've
verified
availability
with.
Indeed,
at
this
time,.
J
So
that's
my
comment:
if
the
main
library
works,
then
maybe
we
should
consider
you
know
the
far
apart
dates,
the
may
24th,
I
believe
at
the
south
side.
J
I
think
that
was
right
and
then
maybe
june
28th,
I'm
at
the
main
library
or
if
I
have
them,
switched
and
then
look
at
somewhere
in
the
middle
for
the
14th
of
june.
Just
just
a
suggestion.
I'm
not
sure
what
everyone
else
thinks,
but.
B
I
I
think
what
city
clerk
said
the
downtown
library
was
available,
the
24th
of
may
or
june
14th,
and
that
and
that
mary
in
the
southside
library
was
confirmed
for
june
28th
correct
and
we're
still
waiting
for
confirmation
on
the
hanover
chavez,
but
we
believe
we'll
get
one
of
the
other
two
dates.
So
so
I
so
I
hear
no
concerns
now
about
then
holding
one
of
the
hearings
at
the
downtown
library
is.
That
is
that,
mr
richard,
commissioner
brichner
please.
E
Yeah,
I
was
just
going
to
add,
I
mean
it
is
a
central
location,
at
least
in
in
the
center
of
historic
or
traditional
santa
fe,
and
district
one
is
affected
substantially
in
one
of
the
plans.
So
you
know
those
those
who
might
be
affected
or
feel
affected
from
district.
One
can
come
there
and
everybody
in
the
city
knows
where
it
is.
So.
I
have
no
problem
with
that
location.
B
Okay,
mr
bridget,
you
still
have
your
hand,
okay,
no
okay.
So
then
it
looks
like
the
downtown
library
may.
24Th
works,
the
southside
library
june
28th
works
and
then
the
head
of
viva
chavez
you're
still
securing
that
location
that
time
and
then
the
the
don't.
We
have
four
hearings,
where's
the
fourth
one
or
is
that
one
on
zoom?
B
B
Okay,
then
we're
covered
all
right
any
further
questions.
Are
we
all
clear
on
that
and
those
will
be
publicized
where
madam
clerk.
A
We
will
start
publicizing
those
probably
via
press
release
that
I'll
circulate
and
I
apologize
by
press
release.
I
mean
email
distribution
to
all
of
our
distribution
lists,
as
well
as
probably
social
media
and
some
additional
outreach
we'll
look
at
also
placing
an
ad
in
print
as
well.
For
those.
B
Okay
and
and
you'll
alert
the
commissioners
where
all
of
this
is
being
publicized,
so
that
we
in
turn
can
talk
to
the
people
that
we
know
in
our
areas
and
and
promote
the
location
of
where
all
this
is
being
publicized.
B
Yes,
commissioner,
brichner.
E
And
if,
if
I
may
add
one
possible
way
of
publicizing
these,
certain
city
activities
are
publicized
on
next
door,
and
perhaps
that
could
you
know
the
the
social
media
site
next
door,
and
perhaps
the
city
could
consider
that
as
well
for
this
group's
public
hearings.
A
Yes-
and
I
actually
also
would
encourage
any
commission
members
that
have
their
own
social
media
platforms
or
accounts
on
any
of
these.
We
do
encourage
our
commissioner.
Our
excuse
me
city
councilors,
to
also
re-share
to
their
distributions
and
encourage
participation
as
well.
So
I
think
that's
great
and
if
you
want
to
share
it
on
nextdoor
as
well,
that's
very
helpful.
We
always
appreciate
any
additional
shares
or
redistribution
of
information
to
additional
networks
or,
like
I
said
we,
I
do
normally
send
something
to
our
city
council
members.
B
Mr
brooks
or
any
further
anything
further
okay,
mr
donato,
commissioner,
to
not,
I.
D
Know
there's
a
number
of
people
in
my
neighborhood
in
district
two
that
receive
the
mayor's
newsletter.
So
I
don't
know
whether
we
want
to
consider
putting
something
or
having
the
mayor
put
something
out.
It
is
in.
D
About
redistricting
and
the
meetings
for
redistricting
public
hearings.
A
His
email
distribution
list
is
considered
is
part
of
our
email.
E
B
And
and
any
other
comments,
and
in
this
information,
madam
clerk,
it's
going
to
be
announcing
the
hearings,
the
locations
and
how
to
access
them.
If
they're
going
to
be
there
in
person
or
virtually,
is
it
going
to
discuss
in
detail
about
public
input
and
and
also
not
just
verbal,
I
understand
they
they
can
submit
written
input
and
how
they
they
can
do
that
easily.
B
How
does
that
look?
What
is
that
going
to
look
like
we.
A
Will
draft
a
release
and
then
chairwoman
ortiz?
I
will
send
it
to
you
for
final
approval:
okay,.
B
A
I
did
just
want
to
note
for
the
commission
and
I'm
going
to
do
a
quick
screen
share.
I
know
this
was
a
request
and
has
been
a
request.
Can
everyone
see
my
the
city
home
page,
so
we
were
able
to
place
a
call-out
box
on
the
home
page
of
the
city
website
for
redistricting
information
and
data,
and
then
that
links
directly
to
information
about
members,
the
concepts
presentation
that
was
provided
on
421
and
then,
of
course,
links
to
both
meetings
and
once
this
meeting
is
over
we'll
upload
that
meeting
as
well.
B
Perfect,
I
just
got
on
my
other
computer
and
sure
enough.
It's
there
that's
great
great
job.
I
appreciate
that
that
certainly
makes
it
so
much
simpler
and
we
want
to
make
sure,
as
many
people
in
the
city
get
an
opportunity
to
see
this
speak
to
it.
If
they
have,
they
love
it
or
hate
it,
and-
and
let
us
know
where
they're
at
so.
Thank
you
so
much
christine.
B
A
No
worries
and
then
just
to
note
that
once
we
do
actually
have
everything
set
for
the
public
hearings,
the
city
walk
will
change
gears
a
bit
in
terms
of
outward
promotion,
because
at
this
point
we
don't
yet
have
final
concepts
approved
by
the
redistricting
commission
that
will
be
presented
to
the
community.
So
once
those
are
finalized
and
then
the
meeting
dates,
we
will
switch
to
more
engagement
from
the
community.
A
I
just
want
to
note
that,
although
I
did
mention
last
night,
it
matters
from
the
city
clerk
during
our
governing
body
meeting
that
the
redistricting
commission
is
meeting
and
did
note
that
there
was
a
meeting
today
on
zoom,
so
not
to
say
that
we're
not
reminding
constituents
that
this
is
taking
place,
but
just
to
further
emphasize
that
once
once
the
community
engagement
portion
really
starts
for
public
input
regarding
the
plans
and
concepts
that
will
have
some
additional
outreach.
B
Great
perfect:
well,
I
think
we're
we're
on
track
then
to
move
forward
and
really
start
pushing
the
ball
forward
and
and
get
the
information
the
information
out
there.
So
any
other
comments
from
commissioners.
B
Thank
you,
madam
city
click.
That's
excellent!
Okay.
Let's
move
on
to
the
meat
of
our
presentation
and
mr
sanderoff,
I'm
going
to
turn
the
floor
over
to
you
to
clarify
some
of
the
high
points
and
address
any
other
issues
that
we
may
have
brought
up
to
you
last
week
that
you
were
going
to
share
with
us
today
and
then
and
then,
after
that
we
will
hopefully
have
some
public
comment
and
then
the
commissioners
will
talk
about
what,
where
we're
at
in
terms
of
how
to
move
forward.
K
Of
course,
I'm
brian
sanderoff
with
research
in
polling,
brittany
poss,
has
been
very
active
in
these
meetings
that
we've
had
thus
far
she's
the
director
of
data
and
analytics
at
research
and
polling.
As
you
know,
michael
sharp,
very
active
in
this
process
as
well.
He
is
the
vice
president
at
research
and
polling
today
on
the
agenda.
K
Is
us
to
follow
up
on
some
of
the
issues
that
you
requested
us
to
do
for
this
meeting,
such
as
looking
at
the
neighborhood
association
and
overlaying
them,
and
so
without
further
ado,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
brittany
post
to
address
those
issues
that
you
asked
us
to
review
in
the
prior
meeting.
L
Thanks
brian
good
afternoon,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
so
last
time
we
met,
you
all
were
interested
in
seeing
sort
of
that
neighborhood
association
overlay
with
all
of
the
conceptual
maps
that
we
came
up
with.
So
if
I
can
share
my
screen,
I
can
show
you
we
can
just
sort
of
walk
through
all
of
the
concepts
and
look
at
how
neighborhood
associations
are
impacted
by
each
of
the
districts
that
we've
drawn.
L
So
I
wanted
to
start
just
to
sort
of
orient
us.
These
are
the
current
districts
and
you
can
see
so
you've
seen
these
districts
before
and
then
what
I've
overlaid
with
this
sort
of
mesh
outlined
in
green.
These
are
all
of
the
neighborhood
associations,
and
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
under
the
current
districts,
I'm
going
to
turn
off
the
precinct.
So
we
can
see
this
a
little
better
under
the
current
districts.
There's
one
neighborhood
association.
L
That's
currently
split
between
two
districts,
and
this
is
canyon,
neighborhood
association,
that's
sort
of
on
the
sort
of
the
east
side
of
the
city,
and
it
it
straddles
alameda
here,
and
so
that
is
split
under
current
districts
and,
as
you
know,
most
of
the
plans
that
we
have
don't
do
a
lot
to
district
one,
except
for
concept
c,
and
so
in
all
of
the
plans
that
we
have
drawn
that
neighborhood
association,
that
canyon
neighborhood
association
continues
to
be
split,
and
you
can
see
it's
a
really
pretty
geographically
large
neighborhood
association.
L
So
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
so
moving
on
to
concept
a
if
you'll
recall,
concept,
a
is
one
of
the
sort
of
lease
change
plans
where
we're
working
on
only
adjusting
the
boundaries
to
account
for
population.
L
L
L
That
is
split
in
in
all
of
the
a
plans
where
we
moved
that
precinct
29
from
district
4
into
district
2
to
deal
with
the
population
issue
and
hold
the
boundaries
straight
down
yucca,
so
the
other,
if
you'll
recall
the
other
big
sort
of
issue,
was
these
sort
of
precinct
changes
around
rafina?
L
And
so
there
are
two
neighborhood
associations
one's
at
hoa?
Actually-
and
this
is
a
neighborhood
association
that
are
impacted
around
raffina,
so
this
roadrunner
west
hoa
straddles,
rafina
and
so
anytime.
We
we
use
this
as
a
boundary
between
district,
three
and
district
four,
this
hoa
gets
split
and
then
under
concept
a
this
is
la
sequias,
neighborhood
association
that
is
split
under
concept:
a
between
district,
three
and
district
four
along
rafina.
L
So
that's
what
it
looks
like
in
concept
a
we
can
go
to
concept
a
actually
under
concept,
a1,
that
those
neighborhood
associations
around
rafina
are
not
split.
So
this
I'm
going
to
turn
the
streets
off.
So
you
can
see
this
a
little
bit
better,
so
that
road
runner
west
is
whole
in
district
three,
you
recall.
L
We
we
held
the
boundary
between
district,
three
and
district
four
along
that
sort
of
alley
behind
those
houses,
and
it
turns
out
those
houses
are
all
in
this
la
sakia's
neighborhood
association,
so
that
is
a
hole
in
a1
in
district
four
in
and
sorry,
I
also
wanted
to
just
remind
us
that
that
via
capiero
is
split
in
sorry
in
a1
as
well.
L
So
here
this
precinct
29,
so
that's
split
there
a2
again,
we
have
that
via
capiedo
neighborhood
or
subdivision
association
split
and
here
in
a2,
along
ruffina,
the
roadrunner
west.
Hoa
is
split
but
los
angeles
loss
of
sake,
as
I'm
sorry
is
not
split.
L
It's
whole
in
district
four,
under
eight
two
and
so
moving
on
to
concept
b,
which,
as
you'll
recall,
is
a
little
bit
more
of
a
substantial
change
where
we
kept
the
boundary
between
district,
three
district,
four
along
airport,
road
and
rodeo
road,
so
that
sort
of
takes
care
of
the
issues
with
road
runner,
west
and
los
angeles
also
via
cabiero,
is
not
split.
L
In
concept
b,
there
is
one
split,
though,
here
sorry
over
here
along
zia,
so
there
is
one
neighborhood
association
called
candlelight
that
crosses
zia
and
we
have
usea
as
a
boundary
between
district,
two
and
district
three,
and
so
that
is
split
in
concept
b
and
again,
as
I
mentioned,
that
canyon
neighborhood
association
is
split
because
we
didn't
change
the
boundary
of
district
1
and
2
in
concept
b
and
then
finally,
in
concept
c,
which
is
the
one
where
we
keep
cerrios
as
a
a
boundary
between
district,
four
and
three
and
two
instead
of
rodeo
and
where
district
one
sort
of
comes
down
into
sort
of
the
core
of
the
historic
neighborhoods
in
santa
fe.
L
You'll,
see
under
concept
c
that
that
los
angeles
and
road
runner
west
are
whole
in
district.
Four,
which
is
great
via
cabierro,
is
again
split
here,
along
yucca
canyon,
of
course,
is
still
split.
Something
happens
here
at
sort
of
the
eastern
boundary
of
district
four.
We
held
that
along
baca
and
there
happens
to
be
a
neighborhood
association.
L
It's
called
bacca
street
sierra
street
neighborhood
association
and
it
straddles
bacca,
and
so
that
is
split
in
concept
c
and
then
there's
one
other.
L
It's
called
a
historic
neighborhood
association
and
this
is
hard
to
see
because
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
neighborhood
associations
here.
So
I'm
gonna
highlight
it.
L
Just
highlight
that,
let's
see
sorry,
and
so
that
is
there's
just
one
little
chunk
of
that
historic
neighborhood
association,
it's
actually
just
called
historic,
neighborhood
association,
that's
split
between
district
one
and
district
three,
so
you
can
see,
there's
just
a
little
sliver
here
in
district
one,
the
majority
of
that
neighborhood
associations
in
district
2..
L
K
Admit
I
did
madam
chair
muted
if
I
may
follow
up
and
ask
brittany
to
speak
on
first,
just
to
say,
as
you
can
tell,
there
are
many
many
neighborhood
associations
and
homeowners
associations
in
santa
fe,
and
relatively
few
of
them
have
been
split,
and
the
reason
for
that
is
as
long
as
you
stick
to
the
major
thoroughfares
like
cerrios
and
east
alameda,
the
river.
K
The
most
minor
way
to
do
that
in
least
intrusive
way
would
be,
though,
to
split
precincts
and
splitting
precincts
is,
is
something
that
you
can
consider
and
give
it
the
weight
that
you
think
it
needs.
City
clerks,
don't
like
to
split
precincts
or
county
clerks
for
administration
of
elections,
but
it
is
something
to
consider
or
more
radical
changes
to
the
plan
to
try
to
get
a
large
geographic
homeowners,
association
or
neighborhood
association
like
that
canyon
road.
Is
it's
very
large
geographically.
K
So
it's
just
something
that
you
have
to
weigh
within
all
of
the
process
and
all
of
the
principles,
the
the
roles
of
keeping
neighbor
all
neighborhood
associations
intact,
and
what
the
consequences
would
be
for
each
one
to
keep
it
whole.
B
B
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Miss
poss.
If,
if
I
may
ask
ms
pasa
question,
be
excuse
me
proposal
b
does
split
candlelight
association,
but
proposal
c
does
not
it
that
that
one
has
a
boundary.
That's
outside
of
the
association.
L
Madam
sharon,
commissioner
breckner
that's
correct
concept:
c,
splits,
more
neighborhood
associations
and
concept
b
does,
but
candlelight
is
not
one
of
the
ones
that
is
split
by
concept
c.
B
Okay,
great
commissioner
rikers
breakers
you're,
muted,
you're,
muted.
M
Youtube,
okay,
I
think
I'm
okay!
Now
I
just
had
one
question.
I
last
time
when
you
were
presenting
all
of
your
alternatives,
I
believe
the
first
three
a
one,
a
b
and
c,
the
very
first
ones.
The
three
were
presented
as
business
as
usual
and
then
the
last
two
were
presented
as
more
radical
change.
Perhaps-
and
I
wondered
if
there
is
any
middle
ground
in
there
somewhere,
where
we
can
have
some
change,
but
we
don't
have
to
always
do
things
as
we've
always
done.
L
Sure,
madam
chair
and
commissioner
records-
absolutely
I
think
you
know
these
concepts
are
not
meant
to
be
sort
of
the
only
options,
and
you
know
if
you
see
you
know
some
tweaks
that
you'd
like
to
make
to
those
sort
of
more
least
change
plans.
L
That's
absolutely
yeah
something
that
we
would
be
happy
to
do.
One
thing
I
do
want
to
mention
you
know,
I
think,
sometimes
those
sort
of
least
change
plans
get
a
bad
rap
and
we
sort
of
internally,
as
a
team,
have
been
talking
a
lot
about
how
you
know
this.
This
process
happens.
L
You
know
every
every
10
years
and
for
the
city
of
santa
fe
it
happened
in
2015
and
there
was
a
similar
sort
of
commission
that
did
a
lot
of
work
and
had
a
lot
of
public
input
to
come
up
with
the
current
plans,
and
you
know
so
so
it's
sort
of
like
those
lease
change
plans
are
sort
of
building
on
the
great
work
that
has
come
before
and
you
know
it's
it's
not
sort
of
like
a
status
quo.
L
You
know
so
I
just
I
wanted
to
mention
that,
because
that's
sort
of
a
discussion
we've
been
having
with
our
team
internally
and
I
think
it's
really
it's
always
a
good
sort
of
thing
to
think
about.
But
yes
they're,
you
know
these
are
definitely
not
the
only
options
in
the
universe,
and
you
know
we're
happy
to
sort
of
look
at.
You
know
changes
that
you
like
from
maybe,
b
or
c
that
we
could
see
how
to
we
could
incorporate
those
into
one
of
the
eight
concepts
you
like
absolutely.
B
Okay,
anyone
else
that
has
a
clarifying
question:
if
not,
we
can
move
on
anyone
else.
K
Okay,
madam
chair,
yes,.
B
K
And
other
commissioners
just
to
build
on
brittany,
yes,
business
as
usual,
we
would
re-characterize
that
as
building
on
the
past
and
then
in
terms
of
the
other
plans
that
we
have
of
being
more
radical,
they,
we
would
just
characterize
them
as
other
concepts
worthy
of
consideration
and,
for
example,
that
obvious
one
of
north
and
south
of
rodeo,
road
and
airport
road
or
the
other
concept
of
taking
the
district
one
more
south
of
the
capital
into
those
historic
neighborhoods.
K
Sometimes
those
other
concepts
which
I
wouldn't
necessarily
call
radical,
just
other
reasonable
concepts,
but
sometimes
they
have
radical
impact
on
incumbents,
because
over
the
last
10
years
we
have
new
counselors
and
they
live
in
other
parts
of
a
district.
K
And
so
so
the
a's
are
not
are
not
business
as
usual.
They're
building
on
a
solid
plan
of
2015.,
the
b's
and
c's
are
not
radical,
they're,
just
other
reasonable
concepts.
But
again
because
the
incumbents
have
moved
a
lot,
they
could
have
like
any
plan
that
has
a
district
south
of
rodeo
road
and
airport
road
is
going
to
pair
four
incumbents
in
the
same
district
and
leave
some
districts
with
no
one
in
them
so
come
the
election.
K
Some
incumbents
would
be
running
against
each
other
in
a
new
district,
other
brand
new
city
councillors
would
be
running
in
vacant
districts,
and
so
that
would
be
a
different
way
of
just
re-characterizing
things
and
then,
within
the
ordinance,
you
have
the
ability
to
give
the
weight
that
you
think
is
necessary
to
minimizing
voter
confusion
on
the
incumbency
issue
and
the
way
to
consider
core
type
plans
or
or
plans
that
that
vary,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
sort
of
tweak
the
comments
that
commissioner
riekers
made.
B
M
B
G
What
is
the
impact
on
the
associations
when
it
comes
to
redistricting?
Maybe
I
think
maybe
I'm
confusing
just
a
lack
of
knowledge,
like
you
know,
just
to
try
to
determine
how
much
weight.
I
guess
we
should
put
on
that
portion
of
the
redistricting
plan.
L
Sure,
madam
chair
and
commissioner
mckenzie-
I
I
think
you
know
there's
really
kind
of
two
schools
of
thought
about
this.
I
would
say
so.
L
You
know
we
can
think
of
neighborhood
associations
and
hoas
as
communities
of
interest
right,
and
we
talked
about
communities
of
interest
as
one
of
the
principles
of
redistricting
and
and
that's
sort
of
a
way
to
identify
sort
of
neighborhoods
that
have
gotten
together
and
have
the
sort
of
social
capital
to
have
meetings
and
know
each
other,
and
things
like
that,
and
so
you
know
the
principle
of
communities
of
interest
says
we
should
try
to
keep
communities
of
interest
together
where
we
can
and
where
it
makes
sense,
so
that
those
folks
that
sort
of
know
each
other
and
have
ties
together
can
then
elect.
L
L
You
know,
organizations
like
that
where
they
might
have
then
two
counselors
to
represent
their
neighborhood
association
right,
and
so
they
have
sort
of
two
representatives
they
can
go
to.
So
you
know
it's
really
up
to
the
commission,
as
you
said,
how
much
weight
to
sort
of
put
on
that.
But
you
know
we
sort
of
are
interested
in
neighborhood
associations
to
sort
of
as
a
community
of
interest
and
as
that
sort
of
principle
brian,
I
don't
know
if
you
had
anything
to
add
to
that.
K
No,
you
said
it
very
well,
I
would
have
said
the
identical
thing:
it's
it's
a
it's
a
factor
that
it's
part
of
communities
of
interest,
the
your
ordinance
ranked
importance
of
equal
population,
not
diluting
minority
voting,
strength
and
third
on
the
pecking
order,
was
communities
of
interest.
Then
within
communities
of
interest
you
decide
the
public
decides
what's
most
important
to
them
as
it
relates
to
communities.
Neighborhoods
is
one
factor.
K
Keeping
the
districts
compact,
keeping
the
boundaries
straight
would
be
another
factor,
so
what's
more
important
to
you,
keeping
on
yucca
a
straight
line
that
might
be
easily
identifiable
or
zigzagging
off
a
yucca
to
keep
the
neighborhood
association
together.
That
would
be
the
kind
of
consideration
that
you
would
give
to
things
the
tension
that
we
talked
about
between
the
different
principles
and
how
doing
one
thing
has
a
positive
impact
on
a
but
might
have
a
less
positive
impact
on
on
b.
G
All
right,
thank
you
for
the
clarification
and
I
think
that's
what
I
needed,
because
I'm
sitting
here
saying
we're
not
gonna,
obviously
make
everyone
happy
in
the
sense
of
keeping
every
community
together.
There's
always
gonna,
be
you
know
those
little
excuse
here
and
there
between
the
lines.
So
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
no
matter
what
concept
there
is
gonna,
be
a
association.
G
K
And
madam
chair
commissioners,
if
I
may
you
will
not
keep
everybody
happy,
there
is
no
such
thing
as
the
perfect
plan,
and
and
that's
because
different
people
have
varied
outlooks
on
the
communities
of
interest
that
you
should
prioritize.
B
Thank
you,
commissioner
mckenzie.
That
was
a
great
question,
very
good
question
and
very
clarifying
responses.
Mr
sanderoff
and
and
miss
poss
appreciate
that,
and
it's
good
to
know
we're
not
going
to
make
everybody
happy.
It's
good
to
know
the
front.
So
any
further
questions.
Commissioners
on
the
presentation
for
clarifying
responses
from
our
consultants.
B
So
I
see
no
hands
raised.
Let's,
let's
see
if
we
have
any
public
comment
and
if,
if
we
do
that,
oh
mr
butchener,
you
have
a
question
before
we
move
on.
E
I
I
believe
mr
sanderoff's
group
had
a
further
item
that
they
wanted
to
follow
up.
I'm.
M
B
Thank
you,
that's
why
he's
vice
chair,
because
he
keeps
me
in
order.
Thank
you
so
much.
I
appreciate
you.
Okay,
brittany,.
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
We
just
had
one
thing
that
we
sort
of
touched
base
with
staff
about
this
week
and-
and
this
is
about
sort
of
a
possible
annexation
to
the
city
of
santa
fe,
so
sounds
like
the
city
of
santa
fe
are
is
in
talks
with
the
county
to
annex
just
an
additional
sort
of
little
piece
of
territory,
and
so
we
were
sort
of
asked
to
look
at
what
that
would
the
impact
that
that
would
have
on
sort
of
the
redistricting
process.
L
So
I've
shared
my
screen
this
in
the
sort
of
maroon
color
is
the
proposed
area
of
annexation.
Ours.
Our
statistics
are
showing
that
this
is
about
430
people
in
this
area
and
in
all
of
our
plans,
this
area
is
contiguous
with
district
1
and
the
433-ish
people
in
this
area
would
be
well
within.
The
population
deviation
for
district
one
in
all
of
the
concepts
that
we've
discussed
so
far.
L
So
we
just
wanted
to
mention
that
that
there
is
talks
about
this
sort
of
annexing
this
area,
but
that,
regardless
of
what
plan
you
all
are
sort
of
interested
in
it
shouldn't
you
shouldn't
have
to
there
shouldn't
be
a
big
impact.
L
If
that
area
gets
annexed,
that
would
require
sort
of
another
round
of
redistricting
or
anything
like
that,
and,
as
you
know,
if,
if
we
have
additional
concepts
that
come
up,
we'll
keep
an
eye
on
that
and
and
continue
to
update
you
if
there
will
be
any
sort
of
negative
impact
to
that
annexation
area,
potentially
with
any
con
concepts.
You
consider
you
know
it's.
It's
sort
of.
L
I
don't
you're
not
required
under
your
sort
of
authorizing
legislation
to
to
consider
that,
but
we
just
sort
of
wanted
you
to
be
aware
and
that
there
is
no
impact
in
any
of
the
plans
and,
madam
clerk,
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
clarify.
D
A
Want
to
know
that
attorney
assistant
attorney
martinez,
we
mostly
just
wanted
to
be
proactive
in
that
and
note
that
if
there
was
gonna
be
any
drastic
changes,
we
didn't
if
we
could
avoid
redistricting
again
in
two
years
or
really
just
asked
research
and
pulling
to
look
at
the
impact
on
what
we're
looking
at
and
whether
because
of
the
number
of
residents,
it's
so
minimal
that
you
know
it
really
is
something
that
we're
kind
of
keeping
on
the
radar
proactively.
A
But,
as
ms
poss
mentioned,
wanted
to
also
explain
that
that
information
has
come
we're
kind
of
working
simultaneously
on
an
annexation
agreement
with
the
city
of
santa
fe.
So
that's
yeah.
I
think
we're
just
trying
to
be
proactive
and
make
sure
that
any
work
that's
done
wouldn't
have
to
be
redone
in
a
few
years
or
whenever
the
annexation
timeline
kind
of
is
so
it's
more
of
a
proactive
approach.
I
think
at
this
point.
B
B
Is
there
a
name
for
that
specific
area
that
we
might
be
familiar
with
once
we
hear
it
and
then,
if
it
were
annexed
after
we
did
our
work
now,
would
the
assumption
be
that
it
would
be
annexed
into
district
one
or
what
would
be
the
assumption
at
that
point,
and
those
are
the
three
questions
I
have
initially.
Please.
H
H
And
if
anyone
else
has
more
information,
please
supplement
my
answer
with
respect
to
the
timeline.
That
is
an
ongoing
matter
for
debate
between
not
debate
discussion
really
between
the
city
and
county.
There
is
an
an
existing
settlement
agreement
that
calls
for
annexing
this
area,
and
this
is
actually
the
final
phase
phase
three
of
annexation,
and
this
goes
back
to
an
agreement
that
the
city
and
county
entered
into
in
2008.
H
The
first
phase
of
annexation
was
accomplished
shortly
thereafter.
There
was
a
second
phase
that
happened
in
2013
and
the
implementation
of
that
one
caused
or
required
a
separate,
independent,
redistricting
commission
to
be
convened
in
around
the
mid
decade,
and
so
this
is
the
final
phase
of
that
annexation.
That
was
conceived
of
back
in
2008
phase
three.
It
has
the
smallest,
perhaps
the
smallest
impact,
and
we
just
wanted
our
consultants
to
know
that
this
was
forthcoming,
and
I
didn't
know
what
impact
it
would
have
on
future
maps.
H
But
I
was
pleased
to
see
or
just
hear,
the
information
that
was
presented
to
this
policy
making
commission
today
to
learn
that
it
wouldn't
have
much
of
a
an
impact
on
the
population
in
in
the
first
in
district
one.
I
guess-
and
it
looked
like
if
I
understood
what
what
britney
had
stated
in
all
of
the
maps,
it
would
still
be
within
the
the
permissible
deviation
from
the
ideal
population.
H
So
so,
with
respect
to
schedule,
the
discussions
between
the
city
and
county
are
ongoing,
but
there
will
be
a
phasing
agreement
that
will
set
a
definitive
date
by
which
the
annexation
will
be
accomplished,
and
it
should
be
likely
in
this
year
or
next
year.
That
will
happen,
but
it
wouldn't
be
in
time
for
this
commission's
work
to
be
done.
So
I
just
thought
that
it
would
be.
It
would
benefit
members
of
this
commission
if
they
knew
that
this
part
of
area
one
will
be
enlarged.
For
example,
your
other
questions
were.
B
H
With
respect
to
the
names
yeah,
it's
really
just
characterized
as
area
phase
three
of
annexation.
It's
identified
in
that
map,
it's
no
it's
kind
of
in
the
northern
part
of
the
city.
It's
to
the
northeast
of
the
traditional.
I
will
free
a
traditional
village,
it's
still
bounded
by
veterans
memorial
highway.
H
So
I
don't
know
that
we
have
a
better
name
for
it
right
now.
Other
than
phase
three
of
annexation
and
the
paseo
nopal
also
passes
through
it
for
people,
and
it's
also
bounded
by
alameda
on
the
southern
boundary,
so
just
to
try
to
orient
folks.
B
Okay,
commissioner
jonato.
D
You,
like
the
technology
you
identified
the
northern
and
southern
boundaries.
What's
that,
what's
the
road
on
the
western
boundary
of
that
annexation
area,.
H
D
D
To
say
that,
thank
you
to
miss
foss
for
for
clarifying
a
lot
of
these
points
and
and
walking
through
the
neighborhoods
of
all
five
of
the
concept
maps
that
that
proved
incredibly
helpful.
B
B
B
No
yeah,
I'm
not
sure
people
know
that
we're
having
public
comment
on
these
meetings,
because
I
did
check
the
newspaper
on
monday
and
we
had
the
the
listing
for
the
meeting
to
be
held,
but
there
was
no
agenda,
so
people
would
not
have
known
by
looking
at
the
paper
and
and
so
all
right
well,
we'll
continue
and
hoping
that
we
get
some
comment
all
right.
B
So
let's
go
ahead
and
move
on
to
matters
from
the
commission,
and
I
guess
this
is
the
point
where
we
would
spend
some
time
talking
about
the
all
the
information
we've
gotten
from
our
consultants,
and
maybe
this
is
the
time
where
we
talk
about
preferences
or
or
even
talk
about
our.
You
know
how
we
move
forward
at
the
hearings.
B
Are
we
presenting
all
concepts
at
the
hearing,
or
is
the
commissioner
commission
looking
at
just
a
certain
few
to
present
and
I'm
not
sure
what
you
all
are
thinking,
I'm
just
throwing
some
thoughts
out
to
begin
the
conversation
and
I'm
open
to
what
questions
you
have
potential
adjustments
you
might
have
for
our
consultants,
what
what
we're
going
to
present
to
the
public
and
I'm
asking
for
your
individual
viewpoints
at
this
point
so
that
we
can
then
get
ready
for
our
future
meetings.
B
Anyone,
commissioner
donato,
please.
D
I
have
a
couple
of
questions,
concept
b
and
concept
c.
Really
excite
me,
I'm
sorry,
say
those
again
concept
b
and
c:
okay
really
excited,
and
I'm
always
one
as
a
political
scientist.
I've
always
wanted
to
shake
the
system
up
a
little
bit
and
so
that
that
worked
really
good.
The
question
I
have
on
both
concepts
b
and
c
is:
are
the
are
the
districts
labeled
properly?
They
seem
differently
than
than
what
we
already
have
so
is
the
upper
portion
of
airport?
D
Is
that
going
to
be
labeled
district
four
in
the
lower
portion?
District
three
is
that
is
that
what
we're
setting
up?
Because
I
know
it
completely-
reorients
three
and
four.
L
Madam
chair
and
commissioner
donato,
I
I
think
that
was
just
sort
of
a
judgment
call
we
made,
since
all
of
the
incumbents
ended
up
in
that
lower
district.
I
think
we
could
probably
number
them
either
way.
D
Okay,
all
right,
the
other
question
I
have
is
it
seemed
to
me
that
when
you're
looking
at
what's
called
a
district
three
right
now
the
lower
portion-
and
it
seemed
to
me,
like
you-
took
into
account
the
expansion
that's
going
on
in
that
district.
Three,
what
we're
calling
district
three
right
now,
the
southwest
portion
of
santa
fe.
Am
I
correct
in
making
that
assessment.
L
I,
madam
chair
and
commissioner
donato-
I
mean
I
it's
it's
sort
of
yes,
I
think
that
those
are
they're
not
on
the
high
end
of
the
deviations,
especially
district.
Three
is
almost
at
the
ideal
population,
and
so
there
is
some
room
to
grow.
L
If
you
are
concerned
about
growth
in
that
area,
we
could
work
on
a
map
that
takes
those
deviations
even
lower
and
sort
of,
has
more
room
for
growth
in
that
area.
That's
definitely
something
to
consider.
D
Well,
that
is
a
concern
or
a
consideration
that
I'm
looking
at,
because
when
I
went
down-
and
I
talked
to
a
couple
of
the
contractors
that
are
building
those
areas-
and
I
asked
you
know
how
much
of
those
areas
are
actually
pre-purchased
and
they
said
the
majority
of
these
new
air
new
building
is
already
pre-purchased.
D
So
that
would
already
give
us
a
consideration
of
you
know
the
popular
the
potential
population
increase
in
those
areas
and
so
yeah.
I
was
glad
to
see
that
that
you
know
you
moved
it
from
five
to
two
point:
two
percent
or
five
to
one
percent,
so
negative,
one
percent,
so
I'm
glad
to
see
that
we're
on
the
lower
end
of
those
percentage
numbers.
So
that's
that's
great.
D
The
other
question
that
I
had
was-
and
I
think
this
would
be
more
for
attorney,
martinez
or
or
the
town
clerk
and
that
is
have
we
given
any
consideration
to
potential
court
challenges.
If
we
make
a
significant
change
that
we'll
look
at
and
you're
right,
brian,
I
wouldn't
call
it
radical
change,
but
a
significant
reorientation
of
three
and
four:
are
we
leaving
ourselves
open
to
a
potential
court
challenges
on
notes.
H
You
know
I'll
only
offer
very
general
comments
right
now.
I
I
think
that
what
is
in
the
charter
and
the
the
highest
level
principles,
the
mr
sanderoff
sort
of.
H
And
so
I
think
I
would
just
leave
it
there
at
a
kind
of
a
high
level
of
generality
right
now,
but
because
I
think
the
charter
tries
to
enshrine
the
constitutional
principles
behind
redistricting
that
that
are,
I
think,
well
articulated
in
the
presentation
that
mr
sanderoff
gave
to
this
group
and
and
just
to
restate
them
for
the
record:
equal
population,
minority
voting
rights,
contiguity,
compactness
and
communities
of
interest.
H
I
think
those
are
articulated
in
the
charter
they're
articulated
to
this
commission,
and
I
think
the
commission
will
any
of
these
maps
will
have
substantial
support
for
all
of
those
ideals.
D
B
K
Madam
chair,
thank
you
and
commissioners.
First,
the
slaver,
I'm
not
an
attorney.
Second,
I've
been
working
with
the
law
of
revisiting
for
35
years,
so
everything
that
attorney
martinez
said
is
absolutely
correct.
K
To
get
to
a
more
direct
question
that
you
had.
Could
someone
sue
because
this
plan
was
very,
very
different?
Well,
of
course,
someone
can
sue
on
anything
they
have
the
right
to,
but
typically
no,
there
hasn't
been
case
law
that
demonstrates
successful
lawsuits,
because
you've
made
big
changes
as
long
as
the
population's
equal.
As
long
as
you
don't
dilute
minority
voting
strength,
the
ordinance
allows
you
to
take
into
account
where
the
incumbents
live,
but
to
the
weight
that
you
want
to
give
it.
K
And
so,
if
someone
really
didn't
like
the
plan,
they
would
fall
back
on
some
of
those
other
more
legal
principles
on
equal
population
or
deadliest
minority
voting
strength
to
try
to
win
in
court.
Saying
that
g,
it's
big
change
for
santa
fe
would
not
be
something
that's
held
up
in
the
past
around
the
nation.
Okay,.
B
B
D
F
Madam
chair,
commissioner,
mckenzie's
hand's
been
up
a
lot
longer
than
mine.
I'm
sure
he's
always
getting
tired.
G
F
Okay,
well
I'll,
you
know
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
follow-up
to
commission
federatos,
actually
a
little
more
on
the
lines
of
musing,
so
so.
Options
c
and
d
are
the
ones
that
combine
incumbent
counselors,
and
you
know
I
want
to
be
really
clear.
I
don't
think
it's
our
job
to
protect
anyone
else's
job,
and
if
that
happens,
that
happens.
F
You
know
last
time
that
happened,
that
it
had
a
si.
An
incumbent
counselor
was
undistricted
and
others
moved
out
of
the
district
that
that
counselor
was
elected
to
you
know.
I
think
there
was
some
bad
feeling
in
town.
It
felt
kind
of
political.
It
felt
somewhat
intentional,
I'm
not
saying
it
was
I'm
just
saying
the
kind
of
feelings
I
picked
up
in
town
and-
and
I
think
we
should
at
least
consider
that
not
to
not
to
have
the
commission's
motives
questioned.
F
So
I
guess
the
question
is
that
maybe
we
should
look
at
moving
incumbent,
counselors
and
districts
if
there's
a
compelling
reason
to
do
do
so,
or
perhaps
even
a
lower
standard
of
a
reasonable
basis
for
doing
so,
but
we
should
at
least
do
it
unknowingly
and
aware
of
what
we're
doing.
That's
not
a
comment
I
wanted
to
make
on
that.
G
Okay,
I
am
I
able
to
talk
about
the
concepts
like
provide
feedback.
G
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
following
the
protocol:
yes,
okay,
so
with
concept.
One
concept.
Excuse
me,
I
was
wondering
for
district
three.
It
showed
that
on
the
deviation
was
four
point:
four
percent
and
thinking
about
the
growth
of
district
three.
G
It
seems
like
to
to
avoid
any
issues
or
concerns.
What
do
we
want
to
move
off
of
move
further
away
from
that
that
plus
five
when
it
comes
to
concept
a.
G
And-
and
you
don't
have
to
provide
any
response
right
now,
I'm
just
this
is
just
look
what
I
was
doing
on
and
providing
some
question:
slash
feedback
with
concept.
G
B,
you
know
I
did
feel
that
it
was
ideal
for
future
population
growth,
but
how
does
the
swapping
of
the
districts
affect
us
if
it
does?
G
I
know
we
spoke
about
that
at
the
last
meeting
a
little
bit,
but
I
did
for
forget
what
was
the
explanation
for
for
concept?
Bravo
or
b.
Excuse
me
excuse
not
the
a2.
G
I
thought
that
was.
It
was
ideal.
Just
looking
at
the
entire
picture,
I
thought
it
was
very
ideal
for
future
population
growth,
and
that
was
actually
my
preferred
concept
concept
c.
The
distribution
I
felt
was
pretty
good,
but
again,
I
think
like
to
shift
in
districts
three
four.
If
that's
the
you
know,
if
that's
what
the
map
was,
that's
how
I
interpreted
the
maps
that
we
were
swapping
districts,
so
I
just
was
hoping
to
get
some
clarification
on
that
too.
L
Madam
chair
and
commissioner
mckenzie,
I
can
just
say
that
I
I
hope
I
understand
your
question
correctly,
so
I'm
going
to
restate
it
just
to
make
sure
that
I
do
when
we
sort
of
moved
the
orientation
of
district
three
in
district
one.
What
was
sort
of
the
thought
process
behind
that.
G
Three
and
four:
let
me
get
to
the
map
myself
so
looking
at
it.
We,
I
think
commissioner
donato
was
talking
about
it.
Also,
initially
you
guys,
let's
say
three
and
four
were
right
next
to
each
other,
but
then
in
concept
c
they
slip.
G
They
went
like
this
almost
where
three
was
down
and
it
was
running,
let's
say
north
to
south,
if
you
will-
and
it
just
seemed
like
they'll-
be,
if
you
look
at
the
precincts
brought,
not
the
precincts,
but
the
counselors
location,
the
red
stars
they
were
all
in,
would
be
shifted
into
district
four,
and
I
just
wanted
to
find
out.
You
know
again
how
that
affect
us
and
when
would
that
take
effect,
if
any.
L
Sure,
absolutely
okay
yeah,
so
in
terms
of
the
incumbent
pairings.
So
as
you
know,
there
are
staggered
terms,
and
so
essentially
the
the
two
incumbents
that
are
running
in
2023.
L
They
would
essentially
have
to
run
against
each
other
if
they
chose
to
they.
They
would
be
running
against
each
other
in
that
new
district,
three
in
2023
and
but
the
two
councilors
whose
districts
aren't
up
until
2025.
L
They
would
continue
to
represent
that
sort
of
vertical
orientation,
those
two
districts
and
until
2025,
where
they
then
would
run
against
each
other
in
that
new
district
3.
B
Okay,
brian
did
you
have
anything
to
add.
I
B
Okay,
commissioner
mckenzie
anything
else.
B
Okay,
I
have
commissioner
brechner
next
and
then
quintana
after
him.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
had
several
comments
both
on
the
maps
charts
and
on
what's
been
said.
I
I
think
I
I
found
it
interesting
to
look
back
at
the
history
to
a
degree
of
where
we
are
where
we've
come
from.
I
believe
there
was
a
around
the
year
2000.
I
saw
the
district
four
districts
of
the
city
and
they
were
somewhat
like
bnc
in
that
they
weren't
aligned
vertically.
They
were
aligned
more
horizontally
districts.
Three
and
four
is,
is
my
observation
correct.
K
Madam
chair
and
commissioners,
commissioner
breckner,
I
think
in
1990
and
the
ones
that
would
have
been
in
effect
to
2000.
I
think
that's
correct,
and
then
after
that,
I
think
from
2001
2010
of
2015.
K
They
were
more
similar
to
the
current
configuration,
of
course,
that
southwest
mesa
southwest
area
of
santa
fe
and
that
whole
terra
contenta
area
just
exploded
right
and
so
there
had
to
be
a
whole
different
approach
back
starting
in
2000.
E
Thank
you,
and
so
it
was
further
back
than
I
was
thinking
that
it
was
the
other
thing,
and
I
appreciate
that
clarification.
It's
interesting
to
see
how
these
have
changed
from
time
to
time,
though
historically,
the
other
thing
is,
commissioner,
gracer's
comments
about
the
impact
on
existing
elected
officials.
E
It
is
interesting,
and
I
I
don't
recall
how
much
change
was
made
in
the
redistricting
of
2010
or
thereabouts,
but
at
some
time
thereafter
the
the
redistrict
redistricting
process
was
taken
out
of
the
elected
out
of
the
council's
hands
and
given
to
an
independent
commission,
which
we
were
part
of
so
those
bad
feelings
that
you
may
have
observed
at
that
time
may
have
been
in
part
responsible
for
what
we're.
Why
we're
doing,
what
we're
doing
now
and
why
the
city
established
an
independent
commission
and
by
being
independent.
E
That
gives
us
more
freedom
and
flexibility
to
make
the
best
decisions
and
the
best
judgments
we
know
how
to
make
without
considering
specifically
the
political
impacts.
E
So
I
I
think
that
was
a
good
thing
to
discuss
and
I
think
we
need
to
take
that
into
account
and-
and
maybe
that's
the
subject
for
specific
discussion
as
to
how
much
weight
we
may
want
to
put
on
that,
because
if
we
decided
that's
a
very
important
factor,
then
basically
proposals
b
and
c
could
be
ruled
out
without
without
a
lot
of
spending
a
lot
of
time
on
boundaries
and
whether
we
tweaked
this
or
tweaked
that
I'm
not
I'm
not
suggesting
one
way
or
the
other.
I'm
just
saying
that
is
a
significant
factor.
E
Oh
and-
and
I
will
have
one
more
question
created
the
least
deviation
and
the
least
deviations
come
in
a2
and
that's
deviation
from
the
maximum,
the
five
percent,
the
ones
that
are
closest
to
being
on
target
and
that's
concept,
a
two
and
b,
and
so
I
kind
of
focused
on
them,
and
I
I
think
I
tend
to
agree
with
commissioner
mckenzie.
E
If
I
recollect
liking
a2,
I
thought
it
had
merit
and
and
deserved
a
close
look.
My
other
question
is:
I
wondered
because
a
high
in
the
ranking
of
issues
that
we're
supposed
to
address
was
the.
E
Issue
of
district
boundary
lines
and
compactness,
and
I
wondered
if
research
in
polling
has
done
measurements
of
the
boundaries
of
the
various
districts
as
they've
proposed
them.
L
Madam
chair,
commissioner
brechner,
we
can
run
compactness
score
measures.
The
issue
that
we
have
when
we're
sort
of
looking
at
compactness
within
municipal
boundaries,
is
that
we
can't
sort
of
separate
the
compactness
issues
that
are
resulting
from
the
districts
that
were
drawn
from
the
compactness
issues
that
result
from
how
the
municipal
boundaries
just
exist.
L
So
you
know
there
is
some
utility
in
comparing
compactness
scores
to
each
other
like
across
concepts,
but
the
objective
compactness
scores
themselves:
don't
have
a
ton
of
meaning
because
there's
a
lot
of
non-compactness
just
happening
within
the
municipal
boundaries
themselves,
but
we're
very
happy
to
to
put
those
scores
together
for
you.
Just
with
that.
Capya.
E
I
don't
mean
to
create
extra
work
for
you,
but
it
it
might
be
worthy
knowing
and-
and
I
believe
it's
district
3
has-
that
boundary
on
either
side
of
the
strip
of
559,
and
that
you
know,
creates
an
anomaly
in
itself
in
terms
of
boundaries,
so
you
might
have
to
you
know
present
it
to
us
with
some
judgment
about
things
like
that,
where
you've
got
a
boundary
and
a
district
with
no
population
in
it.
That
creates
a
substantial
increase
in
what
would
be
a
measurement
of
a
district
boundary.
E
B
On
that
point,
and
and
and
I'll
let
you
speak
next
brian,
but
I
on
that
point
I
want
to
make.
I
want
to
understand
myself
because
brittany,
you
said:
there's
not
a
ton
of
meaning
in
compactness.
Could
you
explain
to
me
what
this
this
effort,
that
you
would
do?
What
would
result
in
that
and
how
would
that
be
helpful
to
us
as
commissioners
and
then
and
brian?
Maybe
we're
going
to
address
that
or
not,
but
whichever
order.
L
Sure
brian,
is
it
okay?
If
I
go
ahead
and
talk.
L
Compactness,
okay,
so
you
know
we
talked
about
compactness
sort
of
generally.
Is
you
know?
Is
it
sort
of
sprawling?
L
Does
it
look
like
a
pencil,
but
there
are
actual
mathematical
formulas
for
coming
up
with
a
compactness
score
and
generally
that
score
runs
from
zero
to
one,
with
zero
being
the
least
compact
and
one
being
the
most
compact
there's
different
ways
to
do
it,
but
generally
the
spores
are
based
on
how
comparing
a
district
to
a
circle,
so
whether
it's
it's
a
circle
that
the
district
can
fit
in
and
comparing
the
area
of
the
district
to
the
area
of
that
circle
or
a
district
whose
perimeter
is
the
same,
the
same
length
as
the
perimeter
of
the
district
and
then
comparing
the
two
areas
there.
L
You
know
there's
sort
of
some
mathematical
pieces
to
that,
but
essentially
it's
it's
all
about.
You
know.
How
close
does
this
district
look
to
a
circle
from
zero.
M
L
One
and
you
know,
because
I'm
if
you
don't
mind
I'd
like
to
just
show
the
municipal
boundaries
just
really
quickly,
so
you
can
sort
of
see
you
know,
even
even
if
these
internally
were
just
really
straight
lines.
Looking
like
perfect
circles,
we
have
these
sort
of
con
compactness
issues
on
you
know
just
in
the
city
limit,
so
we've
got.
You
know
this
weirdness,
this
weird,
this
whole
hole
here
right
and
these
little
jut
out.
L
So
that's
that's
the
concern
that
the
the
compactness
score
would
be
driven,
at
least
in
part
by
the
edges
of
the
district
that
you
all
don't
have
any
control
over,
and
so
that's
why
you
know
the
compactness
measures
are
a
little
bit
weird
when
there's
weird
municipal
boundaries,
so
brittany
going.
B
I'm
sorry
go
ahead
manager,
so
those
those
districts
like
like
one
and
two
that
are
either
kind
of
a
circle
or
kind
of
a
square
are
more
compact
than
like.
Let's
say
in
an
option
b
and
c,
there
are
those
ribbons
down
in
the
southern
portion.
Those
are
ribbons,
so
those
are
not
as
compact
that
would
be,
b
and
c
as
one
and
two
districts
currently
right,
correct.
Okay,
great
that
helps
you.
Thank
you
so
much,
and
thank
you,
commissioner
bruckner,
for
asking
that
question.
K
It's
not
a
related
issue
on
speaking
about
compactness,
and
a
few
of
commissioners,
like
commissioner
brechner
and
commissioner
mckinsey
and
others
have
mentioned
this
issue,
for
example,
take
district
3
on
those
plans
that
have
a
configuration
like
this,
where,
if
you
have
a
north
and
south
of
airport,
road
and
rodia
road,
and
some
people
have
expressed
concern
that
well
gee,
that
area
in
southern
santa
fe,
you
know,
is
going
to
have
explosive
growth
in
the
future.
K
Some
of
you
have
also
mentioned
a
particular
plan,
commissioner,
brechner,
that
the
deviations
are
better
in
a2
or
in
b.
K
So
just
one
comment
to
make
if
you
start
leaning
in
favor
of
a
certain
plan
or
if
you
want
us
right
away
to
explore
the
issue
of
getting
the
deviations
down
closer
to
minus
three
minus
four
in
some
of
the
districts
that
are
to
have
anticipated
growth,
we
can
do
that.
What
we
did
in
our
plans
as
we
erred
on
the
side
of
always
staying
legal,
always
staying
within
the
plus
or
minus
five
percent.
But
then
we
erred
on
the
side
of
compactness
trying
to
keep
to
the
major
thoroughfare.
K
K
So
when
we
were
drawing
the
plans,
we
took
into
account
all
five
principles
recognizing
that
some
had
higher
priority
than
others,
but
on
any
plan,
if
it
starts
concerning
you
about
lowering
or
raising
the
deviation,
we
can
do
those
things
knowing
that
there'll
be
slight
impact
on
neighborhoods
or
slight
impact
on
major
thoroughfares.
K
B
Thank
you
brian
appreciate
that
additional
information,
it's
all
helping
us
see,
get
get
towards
the
the
end
result
here
by
clarifying
all
these
all
of
these
different
issues.
Anything
else,
commissioner,
brickner.
B
Okay,
commissioner
quintana
thank
you
for
being
patient.
J
Can
everyone
hear
me
sometimes
everyone
says
they
can
hear
me
first,
I
want
to
start
off
by
just
reminding
everyone
that
I've
never
done
this.
I've
never
done
this
before.
Okay.
J
So
my
first
question
I
had,
and
maybe
commissioner
brechner
might
have
just
answered
it,
but
I
was
wondering
when
was
the
last
time
that
one
and
two
was
significantly
changed.
J
That
was
my
that's
my
first
question
and
I
also
wanted
to
you
know
I'm
looking
at
the
data
that
you
sent
us
right
and
so
I'm
looking
at
concept
c
versus
current
and
just
current.
You
know
something.
That's
concerning
to
me
is
the
percentages,
for
you
know:
hispanics
whites,
some
of
the
other
ones,
didn't
really
change
much.
J
That
is
concerning
to
me,
and
so
that's
just
like
a
statement,
but
I
am,
I
personally
am
not
concerned
with
the
boundaries
being
like
this.
You
know
cerrios
or
st
francis
or
any
of
that.
I
definitely
do
think
that
we
should.
I
definitely
don't
care
about
the
politics,
okay.
So,
but
I
am
just
looking
at
numbers-
and
I
I
do
share
a
little
bit
about
of
what
commissioner
mckenzie
the
different
things
that
he
brought
up.
J
So
that's
really
where
I'm
at
I'm
just
trying
to
make
heads
or
tails
of
the
numbers,
the
you
know
the
five
factors
trying
to
make
50
million
notes
on
different
things
that
I
can't
really
see
because
my
eyesight's
starting
to
be
pretty
bad
and
trying
to
put
them
all
together.
So
that's
kind
of
where
I'm
at
where
I'm
at
right
now.
K
Out
of
chair
before.
M
J
Just
looking
at
the
numbers,
the
percentages
concept
c
versus
the
current
looks
like
the
hispanic
percentage
goes
down
from
34.4
percent
to
28
percent
and
white
goes
from
57.9.
It
goes
up
to
64.2
percent.
J
Some
of
the
other
stuff
doesn't
really
change,
but
it's
concerning
that.
I'm
just
looking
at
dad,
I'm
just
looking
at
the
numbers,
that's
kind
of
how
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
I'll
figure
this
all
out
too,
and
and
put
it
all
together.
K
K
K
The
percent
hispanic
has
actually
dropped
in
santa
fe
if
you
compare
the
2010
census
after
the
annexation,
so
taking
the
2010
census
after
the
annexation.
The
percent
adult
hispanic
in
santa
fe
was
49
point
something
percent,
and
now
it's
dropped
by
about
three
points
which
a
lot
of
people
don't
realize
happened.
So
we
have
that
trend
that
occurred,
whether
that's
the
census
under
count
or
demographic
changes
or
a
combination
of
the
two
it's
hard
to
say.
K
So,
if
we
look
at
concept
c
in
district
four,
we're
seeing
it
at
69.1
percent
adult
hispanic.
So
when
we
look
at
voting
rights
act
issues,
we
we
move
away
from
total
population
and
we
move
to
adult
population
where
you
see
the
18
plus,
so
that's
18
years
or
older
voting
age
population
and
that's
what
we
look
at
for
purposes
of
voting
rights,
accidents,
18
year
olds
can
vote,
and
so
we
see
69.1
percent,
adult
hispanic
in
district
4
and
55.8
percent,
adult
hispanic
and
district
three.
K
And
so
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
those
those
are
the
key
indicators
that
we
look
at
and
in
fact,
if
let's
say
we
were
to
compare
that
to
concept
a
for
a
moment.
K
In
concept
a
we
would
see,
74.4
in
district
3
and
in
district
4
52.8.
K
So
it's
true
that
in
district
4
you'd
see
a
a
a
16,
so
you
have
a
69
and
a
55
rather
than
a
74
and
a
52..
K
K
That's
74,
perhaps
down
to
69
and
then
allow
the
other
hispanic
majority
district
to
get
higher,
and
so
I,
and
so
that
that
wanted
to
explain
that
concept
to
you
of
taking,
let's
say
the
tiara
contented
district
and
unpacking
it
a
little
and
the
percent
hispanic
still
keeping
it
super
high
and
then
having
the
other
district,
be
higher
than
let's
say,
51
or
52
and
rise
to
55
percent.
So
that
would
be
an
example
of
difference
between
a
and
c
they
are.
They
are
different,
but
that
that
would
be
the
explanation.
B
Quick
question.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Okay,
quick
question,
brian
tierra
contenta
is
in
district
four
current.
K
M
B
D
Yeah
I
have,
I
have
one
very
quick
question
for
miss
poss
and
that
is
looking
at
concept
c
and
just
the
map,
because
the
demographics,
the
the
ethnic
demographics,
the
racial
demographics
are
one
thing.
But
when
I'm
looking
at
concept
c-
and
I
look
how
much
district
four
is
punching
up
into
district
one-
is
there?
Was
there
an
economic
demographic
implication?
There.
L
C
L
Yeah,
absolutely
I
I
hear
what
you're
saying
I
think
that
yeah
that
was
really
just
sort
of
a
conceptual
exercise
and
what
happens
if
we
hold
that
southern
boundary
at
cerritos
I
mean
I.
I
think
that
what
we
do
see
is,
if
you
compare
the
demographics
from
concept
b
to
concept
c.
L
What
ends
up
happening
is
that
district
four
is
getting
a
little
less
hispanic
and
a
little
more
white,
and
so
I
think
you
know,
as
we
do
punch
up,
as
you
said,
into
district
one.
We
are
taking
in
sort
of
a
different
flavor
in
that
area
as
well.
D
It's
a
different
flavor,
racial
ethnically
right.
I
understand
that,
but
I'm
also
looking
at
you
know
the
economics
of
it
as
well.
L
D
And
didn't
know
whether
you
had
brought
that
in
I
understand
I
understand
the
geographics
of
looking
at
it
from
the
surreal
perspective,
and
I.
D
You
had
looked
at
the
economic,
the
economic
perspective,
of
that
little
punch-up
area.
L
Yes,
so,
as
we
mentioned
before,
you
know,
there's
not
a
lot
of
economic
data
at
the
precinct
level,
but
you
know
we
can
look
at.
You
know
sort
of
the
the
satellite
imagery
of
the
neighborhoods
and
and
sort
of
see,
look
at
it
that
way,
and
then
we
could
also
look
at
some
of
the
data
from
the
census
tracts
which
don't
conform
perfectly
with
precincts,
but
get
get
sort
of
an
idea
of
what
that
area
looks
like
yeah.
D
K
And
madam
chair,
commissioner
yeah
that
whole
area
there
by
osage
and
casa
alegre
and
pueblo
allegre,
you
know
it's
currently
in
district
one
and
one
could
argue
that
district
one
starts
getting
in
the
current
districts,
a
little
vast
with
santa
fe's
west
side
and
west
alameda,
and
then
down
to
casa
alegre.
K
It's
sort
of
an
area
where,
in
in
different
plans,
it
becomes
the
leg
of
the
district,
the
extreme
end
of
the
district
and
definitely
can
be
argued
in
different
ways.
D
You
very
much
yeah,
that's
all
I
have
madam
chair.
B
I
think
most
commissioners
have
had
an
opportunity
to
speak
once
commissioner
brechner.
E
Let's
see
yes,
I'm
on
muted.
This
is
just
a
little
technical
item
that
I
did
and
I
don't
know
whether
it
might
be
helpful
to
others.
But
I
was
able
to
take
the
five
proposals
as
well
as
current
districts
and
and
open
them
all
at
the
same
time,
not
all
at
the
same
time,
but
have
them
all
on
different
tabs
but
aligned
properly
and
as
I
could
click
from
tab
to
tab.
E
So
as
a
technical
matter,
I
found
having
tabs
on
the
computer
screen
with
the
maps
all
like
topped
out
at
the
top
of
the
districts
down
to
the
bottom
at
the
same
scale
was
a
really
easy
way
to
see
the
shifts
from
district
from
proposal
to
pro
proposal.
B
Thank
you,
commissioner,
brecker,
and,
and
for
those
of
us
that
are
old
school
and
are
very
visual,
and
maybe
we
should
those
of
you
that
want
them.
I
had
the
city
print
large
maps
for
me
so
that
I
could
read
the
writing
and
I'm
sure
a
city
clerk
would
be
happy.
Madam
city
clerk
would
be
happy
to
get
these
two
if
you
all
want
them.
B
So
it's
very
easy
to
read
the
street
names
and
they've
already
done
a
set
for
me.
So
if
you
wouldn't
all
just
email
city
clerk
and
ask
her,
if
you
need
those,
I'm
sure
they
will
be
happy
to
get
them
for
you.
That
was
one
point
that
I
wanted
to
bring
up
so,
and
I
see
mr
pavilla's
hand
raised.
Mr
pavia,
you
have
something
to
share
with
us
in
this
regard.
I
Yes,
I
don't
know
if
I
can
or
not
speak
about
this,
but
the
city
does
have
a
residential
development
pipeline
map
and
I
did
email
it
to
this
whole
group.
If
you
guys
want
to
look
at
it
and
brittany,
I
could
email
you
the
data
that
way
you
can
see
that
district
4
current
district
4
has
a
lot
a
lot
of
future
or
actually
current
planned
growth
that
they're
developing
right
now
and
I
did
email
it
to
yourself
and
to
brian
and
to
the
whole
group.
B
That,
okay,
great
so
there's
there's
a
question
I
want
to
go
back
to.
That
was,
and
I
and
I
haven't
given
my
two
cents-
and
I
will
in
a
minute
but
in
terms
of
my
my
viewpoints
on
the
different
concepts.
But
there
was
a
question
brought
up
earlier
by
a
commissioner
brechner,
which
I
thought
was
was
very
relevant.
K
Well,
I
guess,
if
you
saw
a
plan
that
was
just
absolutely
horrible
and
you
all
agree
to
exclude
it
generally
speaking,
groups
that
we've
worked
with
are
on
the
side
of
inclusion
and
get
as
much
comment
as
you
can,
and
it's
always
conceivable
that
that
magical
middle
ground
plan
could
come
out
of
the
thoughts
from
the
public,
and
so
usually
people
are
on
the
side
of
letting
the
public,
see
everything
and
then
getting
their
comments
in
committees
that
make
recommendations
to
a
city
council.
Sometimes
they
narrow
them.
K
M
K
Just
my
advice
for
what
it's
worth.
I
F
B
So,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that.
Any
further
comments
on
commissioners-
I
I
guess
I
just
want
to
share
my
my
thoughts
and
I've
looked
extensively
at
the
maps
and
I'm
a
spreadsheet
person.
I
worked
at
dfa,
so
I
have
lots
of
spreadsheets
here
that
have
things
set
out
different
ways
and-
and
I
have
to
say
clearly
I
I
I
will
be
looking
at-
and
I
think
it's
it's
in
place
already-
the
adherence
to
the
five
principles
that
the
the
consultants
used
in
putting
together
these
these
these
versions.
B
But
some
of
the
things
that
I
really
appreciate
seeing
is
number
one.
There
are
no
split
precincts,
the
only
precinct
centers,
but
in
my
understanding,
is
if
they
fall
outside
the
city.
Limits
are
in
the
county
and
part
of
them
are
in
the
county,
and
part
of
them
are
in
the
city.
So
I
really
think
it's
very
important
to
not
split
precincts.
B
I
think
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
follow
the
major
city
boundaries,
the
main
cities
at
main
streets,
cerrillos
alameda,
that
saint
francis
that
have
been
followed
in
the
past
and-
and
I
say
that,
because
I'm
an
advocate
of
not
confusing
our
voters
and
of
maintaining
and
assuring
that
we
minimize
or
even
eliminate
any
voter
confusion
in
this
process.
B
I
think
the
role
is
confused
enough
as
it
is
so.
At
this
point
I
would
certainly
look
at
those
areas
which
minimize
voter
confusion
do
not
split
precincts
and-
and
I
I
like
the
idea
of
talking
about
compaction
of
the
the
circle
or
the
square
of
of
a
district
as
opposed
to
the
ribbon.
The
ribbon,
I
think,
really
changes
a
lot,
and
so
those
are
the
things
that
I
like
seeing
pretty
much
in
the
top
three.
B
Concepts
district
one
is
totally
left
alone
and
district
in
a
and
a1
and
a2
there's
just
minor
deviations
to
compact,
essentially
those
districts
more
and
moving
smaller
pockets,
and
so
I
I
think
that
is,
is
easier
to
understand
number
one
for
the
public,
and
I
and
I
appreciate
that
the
last,
the
other
two
concepts
b
and
c
clearly
a
departure
and
I'm
I'm
still
studying
those
and-
and
I
will
be
listening
to
comments
from
our
communities
and
our
public
to
see
what
they
say
about
their
thoughts
on
those.
B
So
that's
kind
of
kind
of
what
what
I'm
looking
at
you
know
as
long
as
we
minimize
the
confusion
to
voters
in
doing
this
work
and
follow
the
information
that
our
consultants
provide
us.
You
know,
I
think,
we're
moving
in
the
right
direction.
So
that's
my
two
cents.
For
this
moment,
commissioner
brechner.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
I
had
one
and
thank
you
for
your
comments.
I
appreciate
you
sharing
your
thoughts
with
all
of
us.
I
did
have
one
technical
question
on
a2.
E
C
B
B
Our
I
don't
know
if
our
city
clerk
is
still
with
us.
One
of
the
comments
I
was
going
to
make
moving
on
to
matters
from
the
chair
dealt
with
community
outreach
and
our
city
clerk.
Actually,
madam
city
cook
actually
talked
about
that
at
the
beginning
and
explained
how
they're
going
to
start
doing
some
outreach
she's
already
adjusted
the
website,
which
is
great.
B
I
love
seeing
that
to
make
it
more
user-friendly
and
then
so
I'll
be
meeting
with
her
and
and
and
see
what
we
need
to
do
to
publicize
as
much
as
possible.
The
upcoming
hearings.
B
Madam
city
clerk,
is
she
perhaps
jared
lane?
Could
you
geralyn
repeat
for
us
the
meeting
locations
for
the
hearings
that
I
wrote
it
down
in
this
pile
here
and
I'm
trying
to
find
the
sheet
that
I
wrote?
Okay,
so.
F
C
We
have
the
first
meeting
may
14th
via
zoom
may
10th
may
may
10th.
Sorry,
I
wrote
me,
I
don't
know
why
I
wrote
that
may
10
okay
and
then
we
got
the
next
meeting
which
is
may
24th
at
the
main
library
and
then
tentatively,
we
are
hoping
to
schedule
the
hanover
chavez
community
center
for
june
14th
and
then
the
southside
library
on
june
28th.
B
M
J
B
Yeah,
the
the
all
the
hearings.
We
are
scheduling
at
5
30
on
tuesday
at
5,
30
to
may
10,
20
may
24th
june
14
june
20..
Perhaps
we
can
send,
I
did
a
spreadsheet
for
our
staff.
Maybe
we
can
just
attach
that
to
the
next
email
that
shows
the
schedule
of
all
our
meetings,
but
all
of
those
hearings
are
going
to
be
on
tuesday
at
5
30
that
will
it
will
allow
more
of
the
public
to
attend.
Is
that
correct,
deputy?
B
Mr
commissioner,
bruckner.
E
Just
clarifying,
then,
the
next
meeting
of
this
commission
will
be
the
public
hearing
on
may
10th.
Is
that
correct.
E
B
Public
hearing-
and
I
guess
I
would
need
to
be
talking
with
our
city
clerk
and
our
assistant
city
clerk-
to
see
how
that's
going
to
work
in
terms
of
any
public
members
speaking
and
we'll
also
be
soliciting
written
comments
and,
and
madam
assistant
city
clerk.
How
does
that
work
and
you've
written
comments?
Where
would
they
go?
How
would
they
get
to
you
all
or
or.
C
Prime
gov,
they
have
a
an
opportunity
to
make
public
comment
through
there
and
then
I
generate
a
report
from
there.
So
all
the
meetings
when
I
schedule
them
in
prime
gov.
I
leave
open
for
public
comment.
So
if
they
were
wanting
to
do
a
written
comment,
it
would
go
through
there.
C
I
will
check
it
at
a
certain
time
and
then,
if
there
are
any
I'll
email
them
before
the
meeting.
Oh.
B
But
okay,
questions,
commissioners
and.
E
If
I,
if
I
may
confirm,
then
it
is
the
consensus
that
we're
going
to
start
presenting
on
may
10th
all
the
all
the
proposals
with,
as
as
we've
seen
them
today
and
discuss
them
today.
E
No
problem
with
that,
but
I'm
just
confirming
that
the
proposals
from
research
and
polling
the
five
redistricting
proposals
that
have
been
mapped
out
are
the
ones
that
will
be
the
subject
for
the
public
hearing
and
available
to
those
in
to
the
public.
At
that
time
I
mean
they're
available
now,
but
the
public
hearing
will
be
about
those
five
proposals
and
anything
else.
Anybody
wants
to
bring
up,
of
course,.
B
And
thank
you
for
asking
that,
because
that's
exactly
what
we
need
to
to
be
all
on
the
same
page
about
and
that's
why
I
asked
mr
sanderoff
back
to
your
original
question.
You
know:
do
we
rule
certain
proposals
out
and
he's
suggesting
it's
best
to
present
them
all
and
then
take
comments
and
then
go
from
there
now?
Having
said
that,
does
anyone
have
any
concerns
about
presenting
all
five
and
proceeding
forward
or
what's
is
that
work
for
everyone?
Do
we
have
a
consensus
that
that's
what
we
should
do
present
all
five
in
all
the
parents?
B
D
Also
agree-
and
I
like
the
whole
idea
of
you-
know
broad
inclusion
and
transparency
of
of
everything,
we're
doing
and
therefore
present
all
five
of
the
concepts
perfect.
K
Madam
chair
commissioners,
and
now
that
you've
made
that
decision
to
have
us
present
all
the
plans,
we
would
recommend
the
that
those
plans
get
up
on
the
city
website
which
looks
like
city
clerk
has
said
that
that
was
part
of
the
plan.
Because
what
will
happen?
Is
you
put
out
the
press
release?
K
People
will
hear
about
a
hearing,
don't
want
to
look
at
those
plans
before
your
public
meeting
and
have
a
chance
to
study
them,
because
when
we
go
over
the
plans
as
as
you
when
you're
the
very
first
time,
you
saw
them
it's
a
lot
to
absorb,
and
so
if
we
can
get
those
plans
on
the
website
and
people,
can
you
publicize
the
meetings
you
can
go?
The
website
see
the
plans
they
can
study
them
before
the
hearing.
B
Absolutely
great
great
recommendation
and
we
have
our
assistant
city
clerk
here
I
know
she
took
no.
I
saw
her
write
that
down
get
them
on
the
website.
I
saw
that
so
I
think
we're
good
to
go
in
that
regard.
Anything
any
other
comments,
anything
else,
brian,
that
you
suggest.
We
need
to
do
that
prior
to
that
first
meeting
hearing
rather.
L
Madam
chair,
yes,
I
have
a
small
suggestion.
I
I
know
that
the
assistant
city
clerk
said
that
there
was
public
comment
available
in
primegov.
I
wonder
if
that
could
be
linked
on
the
redistricting
website,
so
that
if
someone
was
there
and
not
in
primegov,
they
could
then
click
on
the
link
to
to
do
public
comment
directly.
L
B
E
Else,
I'm
sorry
carmelo.
J
Yeah
commission
cantana
question
is:
is:
is
there
an
alternate
alternative
way,
such
as
writing
a
comment
and
mailing
it
in
what?
If
somebody
you
know
I'm,
this
is
probably
going
to
be
advertising
the
paper
correct.
What
if
someone
didn't
have
access
to
the
internet
or
that
know
how
to
use
primego
or
another
option.
B
C
Maybe
a
drop
drop
box
here
at
the
at
city
hall,
maybe
set
up
an
email
strictly
for
redistricting,
where
they
can
send
in
public
comment
that
way
or
something
off
the
website.
We
could
put
in
that's
separate
from
primegov,
or
they
can
mail
it
directly
to
the
city,
clerk's
office.
B
C
B
Yeah
well
we'll
think
about
that.
Okay,
we'll
work
on
thinking
about
that
this
next
week,
because
we
we
want
to
be
transparent,
we
want
to
be
accessible,
we
want
to
be
user
friendly.
This
is
important
data
and
if
we
don't
work
on
getting
it
out
in
different
ways
than
simply
expecting
someone
to
sit
in
front
of
a
computer,
we're
not
going
to
serve
all
of
our
constituents
in
the
city,
I'm
going
to
tell
you
that
right
off
the
bat
we
need
to
be
a
little
bit
more
creative
and
how
we
provide
access
to
people.
B
If
we
truly
truly
want
comments,
and-
and
we
do
so-
I
see
adam
clerk
on
there
and
her
hand
is
raised.
A
Yes,
I
I
just
wanted
to
know
to
the
commission
and
madam
chair
any
ideas
that
the
commission
has
or
things
that
they
would
like
us
to
explore.
We
absolutely
are
here
to
support
administratively
the
desires
of
the
commission,
so
if,
if
there
are
suggestions
or
changes
or
anything
that
you
would
like
to
see,
please
let
us
know
and
we
can
work
to
accommodate
those.
So
if
you
you
know
member
quintana,
I
appreciate
the
effort
for
mailing
in
comments.
We
can
receive
those
the
clerk's
office.
People
can
constituents
can
mail
them?
A
You
know
in
care
of
the
redistricting
commission
and
then
we
can
scan
them
and
send
to
this
commission.
If
you
would
like
us
to
set
up
an
email
that
maybe
goes
directly
to
the
chair
or
members
of
the
commission,
we
can
do
that
or
receive
them
and
then
redistribute
them,
but
really,
if
you
have
anything
specific
that
you're
thinking
or
ways
that
you
want
to
reach
community
members,
please
let
us
know
and
we're
happy
to
incorporate
those
as
well.
A
I
think,
as
you
mentioned,
it's
it's
important
to
be
creative
in
the
ways
we're
reaching
residents
and-
and
that
is
something
that
you
know
we're
here-
to
support
the
commission
and
if
you
would
like
us,
you
know
to
run
flyers
or
work
on
anything
for
for
outreach.
Please
let
us
know
and
we're
happy
to
get
those
get
those
to
you.
B
I
think
I
would
imagine
the
city
has
a
mailing
list
of
all
of
the
community
organizations.
Neighborhood
organizations
in
the
city
is
that
correct
and
if
that's
the
case,
could
a
letter
or
an
email
be
sent
to
those
individuals
that
has
this
press
release.
It
talks
about
the
four
hearings
that
talks
about
how
to
provide
comments
either
written
or
verbal
at
the
hearings
and
get
that
sent
out
immediately,
as
as
the
press
release
is
issued,
that
will
be
a
start.
That's
okay
and.
B
So
I
will
get
with
you,
madam
city
clerk
and
after
we
during
in
the
next
holidays,
to
fine-tune
how
we're
gonna
do
that
and
then
that
way,
maybe
we
can
send
an
email
out
to
the
commissioners
letting
them
know.
This
is
what
we've
done
in
the
first
five
days
before
the
next
hearing,
so
that
any
any
attempts
that
we're
making
to
get
the
the
information
out
there
you
will
all
be
aware
of
and
then
and
then
we
can
move
together
from
there
does
that
work.
Madam
city
clerk,
yeah,
any
questions.
K
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
something
that
commissioner
quintana
mentioned
earlier
when
she
looked
at
the
data
racial
data
in
concept
c,
and
I
wasn't
quick
enough-
I
was
as
I
was
thinking
of
something
one
thing
for
you
to
revisit.
We
swapped
the
numbers
on
district
3
and
4
as
compared
to
4
and
3,
and
so
you
may
have
seen
a
significant
drop
off
part
of
that
just
might
be
attributable
to
the
swapping
out
of
the
numbers,
and
so
I
just
wanted
next
time
you
look
at
it.
B
A
good
point
anything
else,
commissioners,
anything
else,
brittany,
madam
city
click,
we've
gone
four
minutes
over
folks,
it's
really
bad,
so
we,
we
will
see
you
all
at
the
next
meeting
and
we
will
send
you
an
email,
letting
you
know
between
now,
and
that
means
what
we're
doing
to
publicize
that
many,
the
hearings
and
anything
you
all
can
do
in
your
districts
and
in
your
state
of
of
work.
Please
help
us
get
the
the
word
out,
so
you
all
have
a
blessed
evening
and
I'm
going
to
call
this
meeting
adjourned.