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A
Cool,
so
we
are
live
on
youtube,
madam
chair,
if
you
wanna
call
us
to
order
I'll,
let
you
start.
B
Okay,
good
good
afternoon,
everyone
welcome
welcome
back
today
is
april
the
21st,
and
it
is
301
on
this
date.
So
I
would
like
to
call
the
meeting
to
order
of
the
independent
citizen
redistricting
commission.
B
A
C
C
I
could
come
back
to
him,
commissioner.
Mckenzie.
C
C
Thank
you.
Do
we
get
to
knock
the
one.
B
B
Ms
christine,
are
you
still
with
us.
A
B
Have
a
quorum
okay,
great!
Well!
Thank
you!
Thank
you,
miss
cardenas,
for
that,
and
you
know
before
we
move
forward,
I'd
like
to
at
least
acknowledge
for
those
that
are
on
watching
us,
the
the
besides
the
commissioners
who
were
able
to
introduce
themselves
previously,
and
I'm
hoping
I'm
hoping
that
commissioner
quintana
had
an
opportunity
to
see
the
last
meeting
we
had.
B
She
wasn't
able
to
join
us,
but
at
that
meeting
we
all
introduced
ourselves,
and
if
you
had
a
chance
to
see
that
commissioner
katana,
you
were
able
to
learn
a
little
bit
about
the
different
board
members,
but
since
you're
the
new
one
to
the
group
that
wasn't
with
us
last
two
weeks
ago.
Maybe
you
could
just
give
a
brief
intro
about
yourself,
so
that
the
board
members
know
who
our
seventh
member
is.
Commissioner,
quintana.
F
Sure
good
afternoon,
thank
you
all
and
thank
you
for
having
me
my
name
is
carmella
quintana,
I'm
from
santa
fe
new
mexico
born
and
raised.
I
graduated
from
st
michael's,
high
school
and
the
university
of
new
mexico
and
I've
been
joined.
The
air
force
where
I
served
for
20
years.
F
I've
done
a
couple
of
assignments
at
the
legislature
which
I
thoroughly
enjoyed
and
now
I
work
for
the
united
states
senate
full-time
and
I
have
another
degree
from
george
washington
university.
But
I'm.
B
Thank
you
and
welcome,
and
welcome
to
all
the
other
commissioners
that
were
here
last
week
that
introduced
themselves,
and
I
also
like
to
make
sure
for
the
listening
public.
If
anyone
is
listening
to
us
that
they
know
who
the
city
officials
are
that
are
working
with
us,
helping
us
with
this
process
and
they're
familiar
with
vr,
so
we
have
our
city
clerk,
christine
mchell
sick.
I
hope
I
got
that
right
and
our
she's,
our
city
clerk
and
our
assistant
city
clerk
is
geraldine
cardenas
and
then
our
senior
attorney
with
the
city
is
marcos.
B
Martinez
and
those
are
the
city
staff.
That's
working
really
hard
to
help
us
move
forward
and
and
I'll.
Let
our
consultant
introduces
his
his
counterparts,
his
folks
when
he
gets
ready
to
do
the
presentation,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
everyone
listening
that
was
watching
him
would
could
know
who
the
seven
commissioners
are,
and
then
the
city
staff
helping
us.
So,
let's
move
on
with
the
approval
of
the
agenda
and
we
have
an
agenda
that
was
sent
out
to
you
today.
A
I
apologize
chairwoman.
Our
attorney
was
calling
on
a
different
matter.
I
don't
have
any
comments
other
than
I
know
oh
hold
on
gary's
joining
us.
I
know
there
were
some
technical
issues
with
prime
gov
as
we
loaded
the
new
committee.
So
I
did
just
want
to
note
that
there
might
have
been
concerns
about
that,
but
I
believe
marco
sent
a
clarification.
A
Our
attorney
on
that
the
meeting
was
noticed.
The
agenda
was
posted
and
then
we
did
correct
where
on
the
footer
it
was
saying
finance,
that's
because
that
was
used
as
the
template
for
this
agenda.
So
I
do
just
want
to
note
those
items.
B
Okay,
great
so
we're
on
item
number
three
approval
of
the
agenda:
do
you
have
a
motion
and
a
second
for
the
approval
of
the
agenda,
so
moved
motion,
prime
from
commissioner
donato
and
commissioner
rechner
second,
is
that
okay,
any
discussion
on
the
agenda.
B
Okay,
I
see
no
hands
raised
either
on
the
zoom
or
physically
raising
your
hand,
so
all
in
favor.
Well,
I
guess
we
need
to
do
a
roll
call
on
the
approval
of
the
agenda.
Sorry,
apologies.
Roll
call,
please.
D
B
Thank
you.
That
was
pretty
unanimous
appreciate
that
so
item
number
four
is
approval
of
consent
agenda
and
we
have
no
consent
agendas.
I
think
we'll
just
move
on
is
that
appropriate?
Madam
city
clerk?
Yes,
okay,
I
guess
in
the
future.
That
would
be
the
case,
and
these
are
standard
items
on
the
agenda
that
will
remain
there
apparently
and
we'll
just
use
them
when
they're
necessary
and
and
go
over
them
when
they're,
not
great
item
number
five
is
approval
of
the
minutes,
and
these
are
the
minutes
of
the
april
7
2022
meeting.
B
G
Thank
you.
I
had
sent
to
staff
and
to
you,
madam
chair
some
items,
and
I
don't
know
whether
they're
appropriate
or
not.
Let
me
just
call
them
up,
but
at
the.
G
At
the
prior
meeting
and
not
in
the
minutes,
there
were
others
attending
and
I
had
listed
six
six
people
who
were
participating
in
the
meeting
and,
if
you'd
like
me,
to
read
them,
I
can
or
if
there's
information
that
I
need
to
know
as
to
why
they
weren't
listed
just.
Let
me
know
that
now
and
then
I
have
one
other
item.
B
So
madden
city
clerk,
you
got
mr
butchner's
email.
Thank
you
for
sending
that
to
me
as
well.
So,
madam
city
clerk,
your
comments
in
that
regard,
please.
A
Yes,
madam
chair
and
commissioner
bruckner,
if
you
would
like
to
make
changes,
you
would
list
them
out
and
then
the
commission
will
vote
on
them.
So
if
you
could
know
that
you
would
like
to
include
certain
individuals
be
noted
as
present
you
would
do
that
and
then
it
would
be
included
on
for
the
vote,
with
the
exception
of
bringing
showing,
and
we
can
know
that
in
the
original
drafts
distributed,
there
was
the
finance
committee.
G
Right
right:
well,
then,
the
names
I
had
listed,
who
were
in
attendance
in
addition
to
those
members
and
the
assistant
city
clerk
who
was
listed,
christine
bussos
mahelsic,
you
were
there
marcos,
martinez,
the
assistant
city,
senior
assistant
city
attorney.
Was
there
george
duncan
one
of
our
alternates?
Was
there
and
the
three
representatives
from
research
in
polling,
brian
sanderoff,
michael
sharp
and
brittany
pose,
were
there
and
those
were
the
ones
I
had
suggested
we
list
as
attending
as
well.
G
Yes
and-
and
then
I
had
one
other
item,
do
you
want
me
to
include
that
and
we
make
it
all
one
agent?
One
motion?
Yes,
sir,
please,
okay.
The
second
item,
then,
beyond
those
names
being
listed,
was
on
page
three
of
the
proposed
minutes
under
matters
from
the
committee.
G
We
did
amend
the
agenda
to
have
a
presentation,
and
I
thought
a
a
one
line
or
two
line
summary
of
that
presentation,
and
I
had
proposed
wording
to
be
that
there
was
a
a
presentation
from
the
icrc
outside
advisor
research
and
polling
detailing
redistricting
code
provisions
and
related
objectives
and
limitations
and
providing
city
of
santa
fe
election
district
recent
census
data
as
compared
to
data
used
in
the
prior
redistricting
in
2015..
G
B
B
No
hands
are
being
raised.
Those
are
there's
a
good
catches.
I
think
it's
real
important
to
reflect
all
attendees
at
our
meetings.
I
think
that's
good
for
historical
information,
and
I
appreciate
you,
commissioner,
brechiner,
for
doing
that,
and
also
adding
the
language
that
clarifies
the
presentation.
So
if
there
is
no
discussion
for
the
discussion
or
questions,
will
the
city
clerk
please
get
do
a
roll
call
and
for
approval
of
the
april
7th
minutes.
A
D
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
staff
and
thank
you,
commissioner,
bruckner,
for
doing
that.
Work
and
bringing
that
forward.
Appreciate
that.
So,
let's
move
on
to
item
number
six
matters
from
the
staff
and
I'll
turn
that
over
to
whomever's
needs
to
do
that
portion
I'll
I'll.
C
Take
that
okay,
I
just
would
like
to
introduce
our
gis
staff,
leonard
padilla,
leonard
padillas,
in
the
itt
department
and
in
the
gis
division
and
is
familiar
with
redistricting
is
and
if
there's
anything
you'd
like
to
say
leonard,
go
ahead.
E
Thank
you
for
inviting
me.
I've
been
with
the
city
now
for
16
years,
16
plus
years,
and
I've
worked
with
brian
in
the
past.
So
if
you
need
anything
right
for
me
just
let
me
know.
B
Thank
you,
mr
p.
Pavian
welcome
and
we
look
forward
to
all
working
collaboratively
together
to
to
do
the
best
job
we
can
for
our
for
our
city.
Thank
you
for
joining
us
this
evening.
No.
B
Thank
you
any
other
introductions,
assistant
city
clerk,
cardenas.
B
H
Okay,
thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair
and
commissioners
and
brittany
is
going
to
share
her
screen
for
our
powerpoint
presentation.
H
And
so
again
appreciate
being
here,
two
weeks
ago
we
went
over
some
general
principles
of
districting
and
some
city
statistics
we're
going
to
briefly
recap
them
for
members
of
the
public
that
perhaps
were
not
involved
in
the
meeting
two
weeks
ago.
Also,
we
know
that
there
was
a
lot
to
absorb
and
so
doing
the
refresher
we
find
is
helpful.
H
In
addition,
we'll
show
some
addition
new
population
statistics
and
then
brittany
will
go
over
some
initial
conceptual
plans
or
ideas
for
the
public's
consideration
and
for
your
consideration,
and
so
that's
what
we'll
do
today
so
without
further
ado,
let's
move
on
and
to
the
next
slide,
and
so,
as
we
went
over
two
weeks
ago,
research
in
polling
does
have
a
lot
of
experience
in
the
redistricting
area.
In
fact,
we've
worked.
This
is
our
fourth
cycle
of
working
with
the
city
of
santa
fe.
H
On
a
personal
note,
I
became
a
proud,
first-time
homeowner
in
1980
in
santa
fe,
on
the
west
side,
and
we've
worked
in
santa
fe
also
for
decades
as
well,
but
myself,
michael
sharp,
who
you
met
last
two
weeks
ago
of
brittany.
Poss
will
be
the
key
staff
people
working
on
the
project.
Others
are
working
on
it
as
well,
okay,
in
terms
of
the
process-
and
this
is
pretty
much
outlined
in
your
ordinance-
we
had
the
first
meeting
two
weeks
ago
that
was
organizational
and
we
went
over
a
general
overview
and
population
statistics.
H
This
is
the
second
meeting
education
and
directives
to
us
we're
going
to
once
again
briefly
go
over
the
principles,
show
initial
concepts
then
get
public
input
and
commission
input.
Then
they'll
be
according
to
the
ordinance
at
least
four
public
meetings
where
they
get
to
look
at
the
concepts
suggest
revisions
from
the
public
from
the
commission.
H
We,
then
you
know,
revise
the
plan.
Sometimes
we
might
be
tweaking
other
times.
You
might
come
up
with
whole
new
concepts
or
the
public
may
and
we'll
just
go
through
that
iterative
process.
Until
we
come
up
with
something
that
you
all
feel
comfortable
with
and
are
ready
to
adopt.
H
H
Okay,
on
the
next
slide
again,
what
is
redistricting
it's
the
adjustment
of
the
election
district
boundaries
to
account
for
population
shifts,
and
one
thing
that
is
really
important-
is
that
it's
done
after
every
decennial
census,
because
that's
when
the
census
data
are
fresh
and
most
governmental
bodies
do
it
once
a
decade.
They
don't
like
to
take
it
out
a
second
time
in
the
same
decade.
H
So
the
current
districts
that
santa
fe
is
under
today
already
account
for
the
major
annexation
that
occurred
in
2014
and
that
was
13
200
people.
The
fact
that
it
was
done
twice
in
the
decade
makes
the
shifts
or
the
change
in
population
not
as
significant
okay,
the
five
basic
principles
of
districting
that
have
come
out
of
federal
law,
state
law,
case
law,
traditional
districting
principles.
Are
these
the
top
two
are
most
important.
According
to
federal
law,
federal
law
is
very
clear,
a
case
law
on
what
those
pertain
to
as
it
relates
to
equal
population.
H
There
are
different
standards
of
what
is
considered
equal
population
between
districts,
depending
whether
it's
congress
or
city
council
we'll
talk
about
that
in
a
minute
minority
voting
rights
that
pertains
to
section
two
of
the
voting
rights
act
not
to
dilute
the
voting,
strength
of
ethnic
or
language
protected
minority
groups.
A
contiguity
simply
means
that
the
precincts
within
a
district
must
touch,
at
least
in
one
point
in
space.
You
can't
have
two
islands
within
a
district
compactness.
H
It
is
what
it
is,
it's
the
shape
of
the
district,
and
it
should
be
compact,
and
if
you
see
a
lot
of
districts
that
look
like
snakes
or
pencils,
you
can
question
it.
There
are
lots
of
different
mathematical
measures
to
measure
compactness,
but
pretty
much
you.
You
know
when
you
see
it
and
that's
hardly
been
a
problem
ever
in
santa
fe
in
creating
compact
districts,
of
course,
the
municipal
boundary
lines,
the
outer
boundary
lines
of
the
city
limits
that
we're
forced
to
conform
to.
So
sometimes
you'll
have
squiggly
lines
on
the
outside.
H
Only
this
is
city
limits
and
then
communities
of
interest.
What
are
they
well
different
things
to
different
people,
but
shared
values
and
interests?
Economic,
social,
often
times
people
talk
about
their
neighborhood
and
what
district
it
belongs
in
the
different
people
have
different
views
on
communities
of
interest.
Okay,
so
we
talked
about
equal
population,
and
so
what
is
the
ideal
population
of
a
district?
H
The
ideal
population
sort
of
means
the
perfect
population
if
it
was
identical
in
each
district
and
so
the
way
you
calculate
that
is,
you
simply
take
the
population
of
the
city,
as
stated
in
the
2020
official
u.s
census
population,
and
that
was
87
505
people.
So
santa
fe
has
four
dual
member
city
council
districts,
two
counselors
per
district
as
you
know,
but
there
are
still
only
four
districts,
eight
counselors.
H
The
state
statute
then
fine-tunes
and
makes
that
no
more
than
10
population
deviation,
even
more
specific
by
the
statute
says
for
local
governments
such
as
the
city
of
santa
fe,
that
you
should
stick
within
plus
or
minus
five
percent,
from
the
ideal
population
of
the
district
and
and
so
those
two
are
consistent,
but
under
that
first
one,
six,
minus
six
and
plus
four
might
work.
H
So
if
the
ideal
population
is
eighty
one
thousand
twenty
one
thousand
eight
hundred
take
plus
or
minus
five
percent
from
the
ideal,
and
that's
the
range
that
you
have
in
population
differentiation
among
the
districts
and
still
stay
within
the
state
statute
and
federal
case
law.
We
talked
about
the
voting
rights
act
again.
We
could
spend
five
hours
just
on
this
topic,
but
the
bottom
line
is
do
not
dilute
the
minority
voting
strength.
H
H
The
key,
is
to
give
a
minority
population
an
opportunity
to
elect
a
candidate
of
their
choice.
The
law
doesn't
say
it
has
to
be
guaranteed
or
do
what
you
can
to
to
make
sure,
and
even
in
a
hispanic
majority
district,
the
goal
isn't
necessary
to
elect
hispanic
candidate.
The
goal
is
to
elect
a
candidate
who's,
the
preferred
candidate
of
the
hispanics
or
of
the
minority
population
oftentimes.
It
can
be
someone
of
a
different
racial
group.
H
At
the
same
time,
on
the
next
slide,
we
see
that,
on
the
one
hand,
you
take
into
account
not
diluting
the
voting
strength
of
ethnic
language,
minority
groups,
but
yet
you
don't
want
to
create
race-based
districts
that
it's
the
only
thing
that
you
consider
in
subordination
of
traditional
districting
principles.
H
Here
you
see
an
example
of
african-americans
being
packed
into
a
district,
that's
adjacent
to
an
interstate
and
they're
packed
in
in
such
a
way
that
many
african-american
communities
have
nothing
in
common
in
these
particular
neighborhoods
and-
and
so
it
was
deemed
to
be
a
a
district
that
what
that
didn't
was
not
that
race
was
the
predominant
criteria.
Basically,
african-americans
were
packed
into
one
district
and
that
was
ruled
as
not
proper.
How
do
you
know
if
you
see
racial
gerrymander?
H
H
Okay,
so
we
talked
about
compactness
on
the
right
hand,
side
you
see
a
graphic
of
a
texas
congressional
district
that
is
not
quebec.
On
the
left-hand
side,
you
see
the
northern
new
mexico
third
northern
district,
that
includes
santa
fe.
It
might
be
vast
and
go
from
farmington
to
clayton,
but
it
took
one.
It
took
that
much
geography
to
find
one
third
of
the
population
of
the
state,
and
so
you
can
have
a
district.
That's
large,
but
doesn't
look
like
a
square,
doesn't
look
like
a
rectangle.
H
Does
it
look
like
a
circle
and
show
some
compactness
as
compared
to
what
you
see
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
page
contiguity
again
on
the
right-hand
side,
district
a
is
not
contiguous,
because
there
are
two
islands,
you
can't
walk
district,
a
because
you'd
have
to
go
through
district
b
to
get
there.
So
it's
not
contiguous.
H
The
trickiest
one
really
comes
down
to
communities
of
interest
because
often
times
that's
in
the
eyes
of
the
beholder
as
to
what
the
the
the
the
most
salient
community
of
interest
is,
and
you
will
hear
differing
opinions
on
that
and
that's
fine.
But
usually
it's
a
grouper
area
with
shared
characteristics,
neighborhoods,
cultural
language,
historical
traditions,
geographic
boundaries,
lived
experiences.
H
A
a
community
interest
in
a
traditional
districting
principle
that
you
can
consider
is
maintaining
the
core
of
existing
districts
to
minimize
voter
confusion
or
if
elected
officials
have
established
a
good
rapport
and
relationship
with
the
particular
area.
Respecting
political
subdivisions
is
a
community
of
interest.
You
can
consider
now
avoiding
precinct
splits
in
none
of
the
plans
that
we're
going
to
show
do
we
print
split
any
precincts
unless,
of
course,
a
precinct
happens
to
go
beyond
the
city
limits
and
into
the
county
there.
H
Of
course
we
stick
within
the
city
boundaries,
but
10
years
ago,
within
the
last
decade,
santa
fe
has
added
a
lot
of
new
precincts.
The
precincts
are
the
building
blocks
of
of
districting
and
also
of
running
elections.
City
clerks,
don't
like
it
when
we
split
lots
of
precincts
and
because
there
are
so
many
precincts
as
building
blocks.
H
None
of
our
plans
did.
We
find
the
need
to
split
precincts
and
we'll
talk
more
about
that,
you
can
take
into
account
incumbent's
residential
location
as
a
general
principle
of
communities
of
interest
and
give
it
the
weight
that
you
want
as
you
go.
It
has
been
considered
that
way.
Okay
now
within
the
charter,
they
prioritize
these
principles
so
right
within
the
charter
and
the
ordinance
repeats
them.
H
It
says
in
order
of
priority,
please
take
into
account
equal
population
minority
voting
rights
in
this
order
that
you
see
here
so
in
the
plans
that
that
that
britney's
gonna
show
the
concepts
when
it
comes
to
equal
population.
We
always
stick
with.
We
never
go
beyond
the
plus
or
minus
five
percent
deviation
among
the
districts.
When
it
comes
to
minority
voting
strength,
we
always
maintain
two
adult
hispanic
majority
districts
in
all
concepts.
H
Currently
there
are
two:
we
always
maintain
two
within
these
plans:
communities
of
interest
within
the
ordinance
it
speaks
of
trying
to
preserve
in
a
single
district,
ethnic
and
economic
factors
and
and
you'll
see
in
the
concepts
that
we
do.
We
do
comply
with
that
compactness
and
contiguity
and
then
fifth,
in
the
rank
order
here
within
the
ordinance,
is
compensate
for
the
undercount
of
minorities.
H
Well,
we
didn't
get
a
specific
report
from
the
u.s
census
bureau
on
the
undercount
in
santa
fe
nationally,
the
census
bureau
did
acknowledge
that
hispanics
may
have
been
estimated
to
be
undercounted
by
5,
nationally
african-americans
african-americans
by
3
percent,
but
all
the
case
law
shows
that
you're
required
to
use
the
actual
census
data
for
better
or
worse
in
the
course
of
doing
the
redistricting
when
it
comes
to
total
population.
H
Now
there
are
tension
between
these
principles.
For
example,
you
can't
come
up
with
the
perfect
plan.
There
is
no
such
thing
as
a
perfect
plan
because
it
depends
on
the
level
of
prioritization
you
take
on
to
these
items,
but
you
want
to
stay
legal
on
all
of
the
items,
but
still
could
prioritize
one
over
another.
H
H
Okay
within
the
ordinance.
It
also
does
say
that
you,
the
commission,
may
assign
the
appropriate
weight.
It
doesn't
tell
you
what
that
way.
It
is
for
you
to
decide
the
appropriate
way
to
minimizing
precinct
splits
and
again
there
we
did.
We
had
no
reason
to
split
precincts
at
this
time,
because
we
found
that
we
could
draw
good
plans
a
good
concepts
without
doing
it,
and
we
have
a
lot
more
building
blocks
than
we
did
in
past
decades.
H
Well,
you
know
the
the
people
on
the
city
council
now
are
different
from
who
were
on
the
city
council
five
years
ago,
10
years
ago,
20
years
ago,
and
these
people
who
are
representing
these
various
districts
now
live
in
different
places
than
the
councillors
who
lit,
who
were
elected,
perhaps
5-10
years
ago,
and
so
you
can
take
into
account.
We've
got
some
plans
that
britney
is
going
to
go
over
that
are
minimal
change
plans
that
don't
impact
the
counselors
in
in
switching
them
into
different
districts.
H
But
if
you
want
to
consider
other
wholly
different
concepts,
then
inevitably
those
totally
different
concepts
will
sometimes
pair
counselors,
which
could
create
that
confusion,
and
the
ordinance
allows
you
to
give
it
the
appropriate
weight
that
you
consider.
Do
you
choose
a
plan
that
pairs
incumbents?
Do
you
choose
a
plan
that
doesn't
you
would
take
into
account
the
quality
of
those
plans
and
which
ones
you
think
conform
to
all
the
principles
as
you
go,
we've
got
it
both
ways:
okay,
moving
along
to
the
next
table,
select
slide.
H
H
H
H
So
we
talked
about
how,
by
state
law,
you've
got
to
stay
within
the
plus
or
minus
five
percent,
so
district
one
happens
to
fall
within
the
plus
or
minus
five
percent
at
minus
two
percent
lower
deviation
than
the
ideal
population
of
the
district
district.
Two
is
just
slightly
too
small
in
the
sense
that
it
goes
beyond
the
minus
five
percent
deviation
to
minus
five
point.
Four
district
3,
just
by
a
touch,
is
at
minus
5.05
and
we're
looking
to
have
deviations
of
no
more
than
5.0.
H
But
the
most
interesting
thing
on
this
page
is
that
district
4
has
a
deviate.
Population
deviation
of
12.7
percent
higher
than
the
ideal
population,
so
what's
britney,
is
going
to
show,
are
different
concepts
of
how
to
deal
with
this.
Some
will
be
minimal
changes
just
to
shift
that
additional
population
in
district
four
into
districts.
Two
and
three
others
will
be
wholly
different
concepts
just
because
it's
our
job
to
give
you
new
ideas
to
to
run.
H
You
might
like
a
more
status
quo,
oriented
plan,
the
districts
that
we
have
today,
but
it's
our
job
to
show
different
concepts
to
get
the
ball
rolling
on
the
next
slide.
This
is
city-wide
racial
and
ethnic
population
notice
that
the
percent
hispanic
in
santa
fe
is
46.5
percent.
This
is
within
the
city.
The
non-spanish
white
population
is
the
same
asians
about
two
percent
native
american
one
and
a
half
about
african-american,
one
percent,
other
three
percent.
The
way
you
read
the
white
is
it's
not
a
spanish
white,
non-hispanic
asian
and
so
on.
H
So
it
adds
up
to
close
to
a
hundred
percent
by
doing
it.
This
way.
Now,
if
you
look
at
the
2010
census
after
annexation,
santa
fe's
hispanic
adult
hispanic
population
was
49
point
something
percent,
so
the
percent
hispanic
in
santa
fe's
actually
dropped
three
points
using
the
2010
census
after
the
annexation.
H
I
think
some
of
that
was
the
undercount
personally,
but
it
is
that
that
is
what
we're
facing
now.
Here's
a
new
map
that
you
haven't
seen
before
and
it's
fascinating,
and
what
you're
looking
at
here
is
the
percent
adult
hispanic
at
the
precinct
level,
remembering
that
the
precincts
are
the
building
blocks
of
districting
and
from
which
we
run
our
elections.
H
H
H
So
what
we
want
to
point
out
to
you
here
are
a
few
things.
First
of
all,
if
you
look
at
southwestern
santa
fe,
you
know
you
look
at
the
area
of
tierra
contenta
and
then
the
areas
immediately
be
adjacent
to
tierra
concentra.
H
As
is
the
precinct
south
of
tierra
contentes,
so
so,
and
then
going
up
the
course,
the
suryas
road
corridor,
you
also
see
high
concentrations
of
hispanic
adult
hispanic,
as
well
as
on
the
other
side
of
cerrillos.
H
Now
one
thing
that's
fascinating
here
is
that
britney
is
going
to
point
out
saint
francis
and
saint.
What
went
over
to
the
left,
I
think
almost
there
unless
I'm
wrong
yeah.
Just
I
think
it's
the
straight
one
going
right
out.
So
basically
there
are
no.
There
you
go.
There
are
no
precincts
east
of
saint
francis,
where
a
majority
of
the
precinct
adult
hispanic
population
is
more
than
50.
H
There
are
no
precincts
east
of
saint
francis
saint
francis
drive
in
santa
fe,
where
the
majority
of
adults
are
hispanic.
Another
thing
to
point
out
is
brittany.
If
you
can
go
to
the
very
top
of
the
city
of
santa
fe,
where
there's
that
dark.
H
Purple
one
that
is
really
a
precinct,
that's
primarily
in
the
county,
and
there
are
only
four
people
in
the
city
in
that
dark
purple
precinct,
so
disregard
that
it
it
it's
that's
really
mostly
a
county
precinct
that
happens
to
have
a
few
people
in
the
city
same
thing
with
the
precinct
right
next
to
it,
there's
just
not
it's
not
a
large
population
within
the
city,
but
generally
speaking,
that
area
of
southwestern
santa
fe
going
up
the
cereals
road
corridor
and
then
some
parts
also
south
of
suryas
road.
H
There
are
the
highest
concentrations
of
hispanics
within
santa
fe.
Okay,
we're
gonna,
now
focus
on
the
current
districts
and
the
reason
it's
worth
spending
three
minutes.
Five
minutes
on
the
current
districts
is
because
really
when
you're
looking
at
changes
possible
concept,
conceptual
changes,
it's
nice
to
focus
in
on
these
current
districts,
so
here
districts,
one
two
three
and
four:
these
are
the
current
districts.
There's
also
the
precinct
numbers
that
are
shown
in
them.
H
You
will,
besides
receiving
on
the
city
website,
all
of
the
current
districts
and
conceptual
plans
will
be
posted
and
when
you're
looking
at
them
on
the
website
or
when
we
send
you
a
different
link
in
a
dropbox.
The
clarity
of
the
street
names
will
be
much
better
for
you,
and
so
the
pdfs
within
the
presentation
are
not
as
quite
as
clear
but
you'll
see
improved
clarity
on
what
you'll
be
receiving
so,
but
but
but
let's,
let's,
let's
think
about
these
current
districts
for
a
moment.
H
As
you
know,
again
we're
looking
at
four
districts,
the
dual
member
districts,
two
councillors
elected
in
each
and
then
the
terms
are
staggered.
So
there
might
be
two
councillors
in
district
one.
One
of
those
councillors
would
run
in
in
2023.
Another
would
run
in
2025.
the
same
with
all
the
districts,
so
in
any
given
election
cycle.
There's
always
a
city
councilor
running
from
each
of
the
districts
and
they're
in
staggered
terms,
notice
that
the
city
is
bordered
by
I-25
in
the
south.
H
So
that's
the
city
limits.
So
when
you're
looking
an
south
of
I-25,
that's
outside
the
city
notice
that
the
village
of
agua
fria
in
white.
There
is
not
in
the
city
of
santa
fe,
and
so
you
see
the
santa
fe
bypass
this
narrow
strip
there,
which
is
part
of
the
city,
and
it
is
a
connecting
road.
But
the
areas
in
white
by
our
fria
are
basically
outside
the
city
that
was
not
part
of
the
annexation
that
occurred
in
2014.
H
notice
that
the
boundaries
stay
on
major
thoroughfares
and
physical
features.
We
find
that
this
is
important
to
minimize
voter
confusion.
If
you
can
stay
on
the
main
streets,
people
have
a
harder
time
easier
time,
recognizing
what
district
they're
in
and
hopefully
creating
an
identity
for
that
district,
but
for
a
moment,
look
at
districts
three
and
four
and
notice
that
they
are
consistent
with
the
racial
patterns
of
santa
fe,
enabling
both
districts
to
be
a
majority
adult
hispanic.
H
So
you
remember,
we
looked
at
the
map,
the
the
color
map,
the
heat
map
on
the
proportion
of
hispanic
adults,
and
it
roughly
reflects
what
you're
seeing
in
districts.
Three
and
four.
We
didn't
do
it.
The
commission
didn't
do
it
ten
years
ago,
in
2015
just
to
deal
with
racial
issues.
No,
they
did
it
because
the
community
of
interest
happened
to
be
consistent
with
some
of
the
racial
ethnic
and
economic
interests,
in
that
three
and
four
of
them
became
majority
adult
hispanic
districts.
H
So
if
we
look
at
and
stick
with
this
one
district,
one
so
district
one
covers
the
northern
part
of
the
city
of
santa
fe
and
it's
bordered
by
east
alameda
street
and
the
santa
fe
river,
and
also
by
serious
road
and
district.
One
goes
down
surya's
road
to
seiler
road
right
there,
and
so
that's
district
one.
It's
covering
a
lot
of
land,
but
it
takes
that
much
territory
that
much
geography
to
get
to
the
right
population
size
that
we
talked
about.
So
this
district
really
includes
the
downtown
and
the
plaza
area.
H
It
includes
santa
fe's
east
side.
That's
generally
called
the
east
side,
and
it
also
includes
a
lot
of
the
west
side,
neighborhoods
off
of
west
alameda
street
and
awa
freya
street,
and
so
it's
a
compact,
northern
part
of
santa
fe,
including
downtown
plaza,
east
side,
west
side,
district
2
covers
southeastern
side
of
santa
fe
and
the
border,
of
course,
between
districts,
1
and
2
are
also
the
east
alameda
street
and
the
santa
fe
river
and
serious
road
on
district
2..
H
Basically
district
2,
though,
when
we
look
at
the
border
between
districts,
2
and
4,
it
pretty
much
is
roughly
yucca
street
and
yana
between
two
and
four
and
district.
Two
includes
all
of
those
neighborhoods
off
of
old
pecos
trail
and
old,
santa
fe
trail.
That
includes
the
neighborhoods
adjacent
to
saint
francis
drive
and
st
michael's
drive,
and
it
includes
the
neighborhood
south
of
the
state
capitol
building.
H
You
know,
as
you
travel
down
don
gaspar
and
galisteo,
and
all
that
it's
a
it's
a
compact
district
that
is
bordered
by
I-25
in
the
south
and
primarily
again
yeah
between
four
districts,
two
and
four.
So
what
about
district?
Three
we're
taking
them
in
order?
Well!
District
three
does
cover
the
southwest
side
of
santa
fe.
You
saw
the
map
on
the
percent
hispanic
and
some
of
those
precincts
there.
H
District
three
is
consistent
with
that
and
this
the
heart
of
district
three
is
tiara
contenta
and,
as
you
know,
tierra
contenta
is
a
master
planned
community
within
the
southwest
southwest
and
santa
fe.
It's
grown
a
lot.
There's
still
plans
for
more
growth
in
district
3,
as
well
as
plans
for
more
growth
in
district
4
over
time,
but
this
district
also
includes
those
neighborhoods,
both
north
and
south,
of
airport
road
north
of
tierra
contention,
and
it
also
includes
the
area
south
of
tierracontenta.
H
But
then
it
crosses
over
surya's
road
and
includes
neighborhoods
between
jemus
and
sylar,
just
that
strip
there
and
that
that
was
needed
to
make
the
population
of
the
district
large
enough
back
in
2015,
and
it
also
further
enabled
district
4
to
become
a
majority
hispanic
district
and
not
overly
pack
district
3.,
and
so
that's
a
summary
of
the
current
districts.
H
At
this
point
in
time,
brittany
is
going
to
go
over.
Oh,
I
think
we
have
one
more
slide.
I
wanted
to
show.
Excuse
me,
you
will
get
a
packet
that
would
include
all
the
stats
for
all
the
concepts
that
britney
is
going
to
show,
but
this
is
the
stats
for
the
current
districts
using
the
2020
census,
so
notice,
britney
on
district
4
show
the
12.7
percent
deviation.
H
That's
the
same.
12.7
percent
deviation
you
saw
on
the
map,
so
this
is
before
any
concepts.
This
is
current
districts
using
2020
census,
so
notice,
district
3
that
tierra
contented
district
does
have
a
74
percent
adult
hispanic
percent
and
district
four
has
a
53.8
percent
adult
hispanic
population
using
2020
census,
current
district
boundaries.
We
made
sure
both
of
those
districts
always
maintain
majority
adults,
hispanic
notice,
the
percent
hispanic
and
districts
one
and
two
adult
hispanic,
32
percent
and
30
percent.
H
That
sort
of
reflects
that
the
chart
that
you
saw
when
we
looked
at
the
proportions
of
a
percent
adult
hispanic
and
non-hispanic
on
that
precinct
map.
So
at
this
point,
hopefully
that's
created
a
good
context
for
us
now
to
share
with
you.
Brittany
will
some
concepts.
These
are
just
concepts.
H
I
B
I'd
like
to
have
a
whole
presentation
made,
otherwise
we
could
get
into
a
lot
of
detail
before
we
move
on
to
discussion
and
that
will
be
from
commission
discussion
will
be
under
item
number
nine.
So
if
y'all
don't
mind,
I
think
let's
just
stick
with
the
agenda
and
then
proceed
that
way.
Okay,.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
members
of
of
the
commission.
So,
as
brian
said,
you
know
these,
these
are
definitely
just
conceptual
plans.
They're,
just
sort
of
you
know,
ideas,
ways
to
balance
the
population,
ways
to
sort
of
rethink,
different
districts,
and
so
you
know
this.
This
is
not
the
end-all
be-all.
We
just
wanted
to
sort
of
start
to
spark
discussion,
but
we
have
five
plans.
I
Five
conceptual
plans
that
we're
going
to
go
over
with
you
this
afternoon
and
and
sort
of
start
the
discussion
that
way
so
the
first
one
that
we'll
talk
about
we're,
calling
concept
a-
and
you
can
see
that
here
we
think
of
concept
a
as
a
sort
of
minimal
change
plan.
I
How
can
we
adjust
the
boundaries
just
enough
to
equalize
the
population
and
make
sure
that
we're
staying
within
that
plus
or
minus
five
percent
deviation
and
as
you'll
recall,
district
four
was
too
big
and
needed
to
shrink
district
two
was
too
small
and
needed
to
grow,
and
district
3
was
also
too
small
and
needed
to
grow.
I
So
what
we've
done
is
we
really
only
needed
to
move
one
precinct
between
district
2
and
district
4
to
get
district
2
to
be
the
right
size?
And
so
we
took
this.
This
is
precinct
29
right
here
and
this
used
to
be
in
district
four.
We
moved
it
into
district
two
under
concept
a
and
that
allowed
us
to
straighten
out
the
boundary
along
yucca.
So
we
think
this
is
a
really
good
option
that
actually
makes
the
lines
a
little
bit
cleaner
between
district,
three
and
district.
I
Four
things
are
a
little
bit
more
complicated,
there's
not
just
sort
of
a
one
precinct
easy
switch
to
make,
and
so
we're
gonna
show
you
a
couple
of
ways
that
we've
we've
dealt
with
that
boundary,
I'm
gonna
zoom
in
just
a
little.
So
if
you'll
recall,
the
current
districts,
follow
district
four
follows
jemez:
road
between
airport,
road
and
aguafria.
I
Here
all
of
this
is
in
district
4.
Under
the
current
plan,
what
we've
done
under
concept
a
is:
we've
taken.
It's
just
three
precincts
north
of
this
is
rafina
street,
and
so
we've
taken
those
and
put
those
into
district
three
to
balance
out
the
population
and
between
those
precincts
and
this
precinct
29
that
got
district
four
within
plus
or
minus
five
percent
concept.
A
does
not
change
the
boundaries
of
district
one
at
all,
so
there
are
no
incumbent
pairings
under
concept
a
you
can
see
the
little
stars.
I
So
these
are
the
incumbents
for
district
one,
the
incumbents
in
district,
two
district,
four
and
district
three
they're
really
close
together
here
in
district
three
and
then
district,
three
and
four
remain
majority:
hispanic
voting
age,
population
districts.
So
that's
concept,
a
concept,
a
one
is:
is
sort
of
a
variation
another
way
to
sort
of
think
about
how
to
deal
with
the
boundary
between
district,
three
and
district
four,
it's
still
sort
of
a
minimal
change
plan
district
one.
I
We
didn't
touch
it
all
again,
that
was
within
the
the
allowable
population
deviation.
We
made
that
that
change
to
precinct
29
moving
it
from
district
four
to
district,
two
straightening,
the
line
along
yucca,
but
the
difference
in
concept.
I
A1
is
here
north
of
airport
road,
where
we're
still
trying
to
sort
of
rethink
what
happens
east
of
jemez,
and
so
what
we've
done
here
is
we've
tried
to
keep
the
neighborhoods
north
and
south
of
rafina
together
in
one
district,
and
so
we've
moved
that
neighborhood,
north
and
south
of
rafina
into
district
three,
this
boundary
here
that
you'll
see
the
sort
of
western
edge
of
district
four.
I
I
That
is
that
these
precincts
here
are
slightly
too
many
people,
and
so
that
actually
put
district
three
over
the
allowable
population
deviation
made
it
too
big,
and
so
we
took
one
precinct
from
district
three
and
gave
it
to
district
four,
and
so
you
can
see
this
is
district
116,
and
this
is
actually
just
east
of
ortiz
elementary
ortiz
elementary
is
right
here
and
precinct
116.
I
It
contains
some
mobile
home
communities,
some
commercial
space.
So
actually
this
is
where
the
auditor's
office
is.
I
There's
some
car
dealerships
there's
a
ups
and
a
fedex,
and
we
felt
pretty
comfortable
taking
this
precinct
and
moving
it
from
district
three
into
district
four,
because
it
has
a
little
bit
of
a
different
flavor
from
these
sort
of
tierra
contenta,
dis,
precincts
and
so,
and
you
know,
sort
of
going
with
some
more
of
that
commercial,
a
long,
rodeo
and
and
all
of
that-
and
so
we
we
sort
of
felt
comfortable
presenting
to
this
to
you
as
an
option
and
again,
the
real
goal
here
was
to
keep
the
neighborhoods
around
rafinha
together
and
put
those
in
district
3..
I
So
that's
concept,
a1,
and
then
we
have
another
flavor
of
this
that
we're
calling
concept
a
two
again:
a
minimal
change
plan.
Again
we're
sort
of
tinkering
around
the
border
of
district
three
and
four
so
again,
district
one
doesn't
change
at
all
under
concept.
A2
precinct
29
goes
from
four
to
two
again
in
concept
a2,
but
what
we've
done
differently
here
is
we
still
have
this
sort
of
you
know
these
neighborhoods
around
rafina.
So
again
this
is
rafina.
I
This
is
jemez
where
the
the
current
boundary
of
district
four
is
we've
taken.
One
additional
precinct-
this
is
a
lot
like
a
a1
where
we
have
these
two
precincts.
This
is
that
alley.
I
I
was
talking
about
behind
that
neighborhood
going
into
district
four
we're
taking
one
additional
precinct
here,
going
a
little
further
west
than
we
did
in
a1,
and
but
we
still
need
to
offset
some
of
that
population,
and
so
here,
instead
of
taking
precinct
116,
we
take
precinct
62
and
put
it
into
district
4.,
and
the
thinking
behind
this
is
the
northern
boundary
of
this
precinct.
62
is
an
arroyo,
so
there's
not
some
really
sort
of
easily
navigable
way
to
get
from
district
3,
the
rest
of
district
3
into
precinct
62.
I
So
this
is
sort
of
kind
of
an
outlier
piece
of
district
3
anyway,
centennial
high
school
is
up
here
in
the
north,
so
that
stays
in
district
3
but
south
of
centennial
high
school
south
of
that
arroyo.
This
precinct
62.
I
These
are
like
larger
lots.
These
homes
on
sort
of
one-acre
lots.
We
expect
to
see
some
growth
happening
here
over
the
next
decade
and
so
that
that
was
the
thought
of
trying
this
out
in
concept
a2
with
putting
precinct
62
into
district
4..
I
I
We're
calling
this
concept
b
and
the
idea
of
concept
b
is
what
would
it
look
like
if
we
held
airport
road
and
rodeo
road
as
a
boundary
between
district,
three
and
district
four-
and
you
know
we
wanted
to
sort
of
see
so
currently
district,
three
and
district
four
have
this
sort
of
vertical
orientation
to
each
other,
and
this
is
a
more
horizontal
orientation
where
everything
north
of
airport,
road
and
rodeo
road
go
into
district.
Four
and
everything
south
goes
into
district
three
and
to
make
the
population
work.
I
The
boundary
of
district
three
crosses
over
cerrios,
which
is
the
current
eastern
boundary
of
district.
I
Three
goes
all
the
way
to
saint
francis
takes
all
of
this
south
of
rodeo
road,
and
actually
it
hits
rodeo
and
then
bumps
up
to
zia
right
here
around
yucca
and
so
that's
sort
of
what
it
takes
to
get
district
three,
the
right
population,
so
district,
two
as
district
three
sort
of
bumps
east
into
district,
two
from
yucca
to
saint
francis
district,
two
moves
a
little
west
north
of
zia
coming
here
to
camino
carlos
ray
and
taking
just
a
couple
more
precincts
here
on
the
west
again
under
concept
b,
we
did
not
touch
district
one
at
all
district
one
is
the
same
as
current
district,
three
and
four,
even
in
this
horizontal
orientation,
as
you
might
imagine,
given
the
heat
map
of
where
the
hispanic
voting
age
populations
are,
these
are
still
two
majority
hispanic
voting
age
populations.
I
What
I
want
to
call
your
attention
to
is
what
this
does
for
the
current
incumbents,
so
the
incumbents
for
district
one
are
still
wholly
contained
in
district
one.
The
incumbents
in
district
two
are
not
affected,
but
both
of
the
incumbents
from
district
four
end
up
in
district
three.
You
can
see
those
two
under
concept
b
and
so
they're
paired
with
the
two
existing
incumbents
from
district
three
and
then
under
concept
b.
I
There
would
be
no
incumbents
in
district
four
under
this
conception,
so
this
is
just
sort
of
a
different
flavor,
a
different
way
to
think
about
it
again,
a
little
more
sort
of
substantial
change.
I
The
next
concept
I'd
like
to
show
you
and
actually
the
final
concept
that
we've
developed
for
your
consideration
today
is
concept
c,
and
it's
another
sort
of
version
of
that
horizontal
orientation
of
districts,
three
and
four,
but
a
little
bit
different
so
rather
than
following
airport
road
to
rodeo
road
district
four
follows
airport
road
to
cerrios
and
comes
up
cerrios
and
so
then,
rather
than
the
eastern
boundary
of
district
four
being
along
siler.
I
It
moves
to
baca
here,
and
this
is
actually
just
west
of
the
school
for
the
deaf.
So
the
school
for
the
deaf
would
stay
in
district
one
under
concept
c,
but.
I
Four
would
sort
of
run
up
really
close
to
it.
This
is
also
a
different
conception.
I
Finally,
for
district
one,
as
I
said
in
all
of
the
a
concepts
and
in
b,
we
didn't
adjust
the
boundaries
of
district
one
at
all,
but
this
is
a
different
way
to
sort
of
think
about
district
one
as
sort
of
a
central,
santa
fe
district,
so
currently
district
one
as
we
talked
about
takes
in
downtown
santa
fe
and
the
plaza,
but
doesn't
go
as
far
south
to
pick
up
the
capital
and
those
sort
of
older
neighbor
neighborhoods
around
galisteo
and
down
gaspar
concept
c
would
actually
have
district
one
coming
all
the
way
down
to
saint
michaels
in
between
old
pecos
and
the
railroad
and
taking
in
all
of
that
sort
of
central
santa
fe
from
the
capitol
to
those
older
neighborhoods
and
then
retaining
downtown
santa
fe
in
the
plaza.
I
And
so
what
that
means,
then,
is
that
you
know
we're
taking
that
territory
from
district
two,
so
district
two
pushes
further
west,
and
so
you
can
see
this
is
yucca
the
current
boundary
between
district
two
and
in
district
four
district.
Two
moves
significantly
west
from
yucca.
Following
rodeo
here
into
district
three
under
contact
c
and
then
what
happens
with
district
three
staying
south
of
airport
south
of
cerrios?
Is
that
we're
sort
of
uniting
the
area
both
north
and
south
of
rodeo?
I
So
there's
you
know,
there's
some
residential,
but
there's
also
a
lot
of
commercial
here.
So
this
sort
of
triangle
between
rodeo
and
cerrios.
This
is
where,
like
the
target,
is
and
the
sam's
club,
and
so
all
of
that
would
end
up
in
district
three
under
concept
c,
again:
districts,
three
and
four
majority
hispanic
voting
age
population
and
then
we're
seeing
again
that
sort
of
pairing
of
incumbents,
so
both
incumbents
from
district
three
and
the
district
four
incumbents
would
be
in
district
three
under
concept
c.
I
The
district
two
incumbents
here
and
here
would
remain
in
district.
Two
one
of
the
district
one
incumbents
remains
in
the
district.
The
other
one
actually
ends
up
under
concept
c
in
district
four,
so
you
can
see
them
there
what's
interesting
about
this.
Is
this
incumbent?
Their
term
expires
in
2023,
and
so
you
know
they
would
have
the
option
of
running
in
district
four,
where
there
is
no
incumbent
running
in
2023,
but
this
is
a
very
different
district
than
the
one
they
were
elected
to
right.
They
were
elected
to
district
one.
I
You
know
which
currently
is
that
sort
of
plaza
downtown
santa
fe
sort
of
the
north
eastern
part
of
santa
fe,
and
then
you
know
they
would
end
up
needing
to
run
in
this
district.
Four,
which
is
you
know
this,
this
more
sort
of
hispanic.
I
You
know
around
airport
sort
of
sort
of
district
and
then
district.
The
the
other
incumbent
from
district,
one
whose
term
is
going
to
expire
in
2025,
would
end
up
just
running
in
district
1
and
2025
if
they
chose
to
do
that.
So
that
is
concept
c
and
again,
you
know
it's
it's
a
change
from
current,
but
we
wanted
to
give
you
something
to
sort
of
chew
on
and
think
about.
I
So,
madame
chair,
that's
all
we
have
I'm
happy
to
continue
to
share
my
screen
if,
if
there's
specific
questions
about
the
maps
but
for
now
I'll
stop
sharing
and-
and
thank
you
all
very
much
for
your
time.
B
Wonderful,
that's
a
lot
to
think
about
a
lot
of
thought
went
into
those
different
concepts.
We
appreciate
you
bringing
them
to
us.
I
think
we
need
that.
B
Otherwise
we
would
be
able
to
begin
our
work
and
I
I
I
want
to
go
into
the
to
the
conversation
about
these
different
discussions
options,
but
we
need
to
follow
the
agendas
I'm
going
to
jump
to
action
item
number
eight
and
then,
after
that
we
will
do
madison,
commission
and
we'll
have
conversation
and
discussion
on
there
and
actually
item
number
eight
says
action
item,
consent
which
we
have
nothing
to
do
there,
but
I
just
want
to
follow
the
agenda
and
and
say
that,
because
there's
nothing
under
item
8,
we're
going
to
move
from
there
down
to
item
number
nine
matters
of
the
commission
and
then
now
we'll
begin
our
conversation
and
reaction
by
commissioners
to
the
presentation-
and
I
think
the
first
hand
that
I
saw
saw
up
earlier-
I
believe
was
from
commissioner
donato-
is
that
right?
B
And
so,
if
you
have
questions
now,
would
be
the
great
time
to
field
them
and
then
we'll
just
go
down
the
line.
Whoever
feels
they
want
to
ask
a
question:
just
raise
your
hand,
I'll
put
it
on
the
list
and
we'll
go
in
that
order.
Commissioner,
donato.
J
Yes,
thank
you
very
much.
Hopefully
everybody
can
hear
me
because
I
was
having
problems
with
my
computer
today.
I
have.
J
I
have
a
couple
of
basic
questions,
more
of
clarification
than
anything
else,
so
it
gets
on
the
record
in
the
ordinance
under
ordinance,
section,
6,
18,
3
delta
and
number
3
deals
with
communities
of
interest,
and
it
talks
about
including
those
based
upon
ethnic
and
economic
factors
shall
be
preserved
within
a
single
district,
and
I
know
we
spent
the
team
spent
a
lot
of
time
and
thank
you,
mr
sanderhoff,
and
miss
ross.
Miss
paulus.
Is
that
correct?
Thank
you
very
much.
J
H
H
There
are
many
trailer
park,
neighborhoods
manufactured
homes,
higher
density
apartments
and
the
like,
and
so
as
a
proxy
of
economic
interests.
We
did
take
that
into
account
too
the
housing
stock,
as
it
relates
to
what's
going
on
in
districts,
three
and
four.
H
Obviously,
the
east
side
of
santa
fe
and
the
north
side
of
santa
fe
includes
a
lot
of
million
dollar
homes.
Higher
income
areas
they're
all
preserved
within
the
district,
as
as
you
noted,
is
requested
in
the
ordinance,
and
then
you
have
a
lot
of
those
homes
in
south
santa
fe.
Really,
a
combination
of
subdivision
type
homes,
bellama
homes,
pueblo,
seoul
areas
and
and
they've
been
linked
together
so
from
the
perspective
of
housing
and
how
it
in
race
and
how
it
relates
to
income.
Yes,.
J
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
I
I
sort
of
figured
that
it
would
be
homes
as
proxy.
That's
what
I'm
from
the
boston
area
and
that's
what
we
use
there
as
well.
So
thank
you
for
that.
The
other
point
of
clarification
that
I
would
like
is
that
when
we
talk
about
communities
of
interest
through
those
communities
of
interest,
also
correlate
to
other
protected
classes
other
than
race,
or
in
this
case
economic
status,
economic
factors-
I
mean
one
of
the
things
I'm
assuming
you're
using
gis
as
your
as
your
modeling
program.
H
Well:
okay,
we
use
a
gis
system
right
right,
maptitude.
Madam
chair
commissioners,
commissioner
donato,
yes,
I
mean
santa
fe
falls
into
certain
regions
and
we
talk
about
the
downtown
plaza
area.
We
talk
about
the
east
side,
we
talk
about
the
west
side,
we
talked
about
southern
santa
fe,
southeastern
santa
fe,
and
we
talked
about
tierra
contender
southwest.
H
Change,
try
to
stick
with
what
we
have
adjust
for
minimal
population
shifts,
so
those
are
all
working
on
the
recognition
that
if
you
like
what
the
commission
did
in
2015
and
if
you
just
want
to
adjust
it,
the
aids
would
be
your
preference,
be
ins,
and
to
that
extent
it
was
no
accident
what
they
did
in
2015
and
similar
to
that
10
years
prior
to
that
and
10
years
prior
to
that
that
santa
fe
does
sort
of
fall
into
certain
regions
on
its
own.
H
Now
you
have
to
combine
regions
the
west
sides,
combined
with
the
the
plaza
downtown.
Why?
Well?
Because
you
have
to
put
together
enough
distinct
regions
to
get
a
certain
population
right,
and
so
yes,
a
takes
into
account.
The
basic
regions
of
santa
fe,
b
and
c
also
take
into
account
basic
regions
of
santa
fe.
From
a
different
perspective
b,
as
brittany
said,
looks
at
central
santa
fe
in
a
different
way.
South
of
the
capital
includes
those
neighborhoods
plans
that
use
airport
rodeo
road
south
of
santa
fe
is
a
wholly
different
concept.
H
I
Yeah
and
thank
you
brian
and
madam
chair
and
commissioner
donato,
I
would
just
add
that
you
know
in
terms
of
of
legally
protected
communities
of
interest.
I
would
say
you
know
that
that
communities
of
color
are
definitely
sort
of
number
one
and
then,
according
to
your
ordinance,
those
sort
of
economic
communities
as
well,
but
you
know
sort
of
in
in
practice
then,
and
in
the
public
you'll
hear,
hopefully
get
a
lot
of
public
input
about.
I
You
know
specific
communities
of
interest
and,
and,
as
brian
said
in
his
presentation,
you
know
it's
communities
of
interest
can
be
really
tricky
because
it
really
is
in
the
eye
of
the
beholder,
and
so
we
sort
of
did
the
best
we
could.
You
know
with
with
brian
and
michael's,
like
really
sort
of
long
institutional
knowledge
of
santa
fe,
but
I'm
excited
for
you
all
to
do.
I
J
Well,
my
last
question,
and-
and
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up
ms
boss,
because
one
of
the
other
considerations
that
I've
had
to
deal
with
in
the
past
were
other
protected
classes,
and
we
know
that,
based
upon
federal
law
and
supreme
court
decisions
that
there
now,
we've
moved
from
four
or
five
protected
classes
to
11
protected
classes
and
did
your
gis
modeling,
especially
your
density
maps.
Because
I
noticed
that
you
do
density
mapping
with
regard
to
hispanic
populations,
especially
in
three
and
four.
Do
we
take?
J
Do
you
take
into
account
other
protected
classes
in
your
density
map,
overlays
such
as
such
as
religious
belief
or
disability,
or
veteran
status,
for
example,
because
all
of
those
are
also
protected
classes.
H
For
redistricting,
the
protected
classes
deal
with
equal
population,
make
sure
they're
substantially
equal
and
protecting
a
particular
racial
and
language
minority
groups
when
it
comes
to
taking
into
account
veterans
or
taking
into
account
some
of
the
other
groups
that
you
mentioned,
those
would
fall
into
communities
of
interest
that
you
could
take
into
account
if
you
feel
that
you
can
combine
enough
of
them
gee.
You
know
there
are
a
lot
of
veterans
who
live
in
these
two
neighborhoods.
You
split
them
between
two
different
districts.
H
J
H
Okay,
right
and
the
stringency
for
the
voting
rights
act
frankly
is
different
in
santa
fe
than
it
would
be.
Let's
say
in
clovis
right,
the
courts
require
majority
hispanic
districts
in
a
place.
I
don't
say
african-american,
you
can't
build
an
african-american
majority
district,
santa
fe,
it's
only
one
percent
of
the
population,
but
in
santa
fe
you
have
46
adults
hispanic,
so
you
can
draw
two
and
but
frankly,
where
the
law
requires.
H
The
majority
minority
districts
is
where,
when
there
is
a
dominant
group
of
anglos,
let's
say
that
always
vote
as
a
block
and
prevent
hispanics
from
electing
a
candidate
of
their
choice.
So
this
type
of
about
district
boundary
consideration
in
places
like
clovis
and
hobbes,
where
there's
white
block
voting,
preventing
hispanics
from
electing
candidates
to
their
choice,
is
so
much
more
sensitive
than
a
community
like
santa
fe,
where
there's
a
long,
proud
history
of
people
voting
for
people
of
all
races
and
all
creeds.
J
Yeah
I
saw
that
in
the
mesa
the
matas
decision
here
in
new
mexico,
and
so
thank
you
very
much
for
those
clarifications
and
thank
you,
madam
chair,
excuse.
C
I
I
have
one
thing
to
add:
thank
you,
please,
commissioner
donato.
We
would
be
very
happy
to
add
data
to
the
maps
and
sort
of
and
look
at
things.
I
did.
I
hope
this
isn't
too
in
the
weeds,
but
I
did
just
want
to
mention.
You
know
that
the
units
of
geography
that
we're
looking
at
are
are
pretty
small.
I
You
know
they're,
precincts
and
and
the
data
that
we
get
are
pretty
limited
at
that
level
of
geography,
and
so
when
we
start
to
bring
in
other
types
of
data,
it's
usually
at
a
higher
level
of
geography,
and
so
it
can
be
hard
to
sort
of
pinpoint
exactly
where
those
types
of
communities
of
interest
are,
but
we'd
be
very
happy
to
to
look
at
those
data
and
think
about
how
they
could
inform
this
process.
B
Thank
you,
miss
pasa
thanks.
Thank
you,
mr
thank
you,
commissioner
donato.
I
think
the
next
one
I
saw
up.
I
hope
I
saw
it
in
the
right
order.
Was
commissioner
bruckner.
Could
you
please
unmute
yourself
and
pose
your
questions.
G
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
let
me
take
my
hand
down
while,
while
I'm
thinking
about
it,
I
had
a
one
one
question
and
one
point
of
clarification.
The
clarification
I'm
looking
for
is,
I
believe
mr
sanderoff
said
right
at
the
beginning
in
the
presentations
both
last
week
and
this
week,
that
redistricting
is
based
on
total
population,
all
all
persons
who
have
a
residence
in
the
various
areas
we're
looking
at
and
yet
the
char.
H
Yes
and
that's
a
great
question,
thank
you
for
asking
it.
I
don't
think
I
clarified
it
enough
in
this
last
presentation
when
we're
talking
about
substantially
equal
population
among
the
districts
staying
within
the
plus
or
minus
five
percent.
From
the
ideal
population
of
the
district,
we
must
use
total
population.
All
people
get
counted.
H
When
we
talk
about
the
voting
rights
act
and
whether
we
can
create
majority
hispanic
districts
in
other
parts
of
the
state
majority
native
american
districts,
then
the
courts
require
that
we
look
at
adult
population
voting
age
population.
So
everywhere
we
spoke
about
percent
hispanic
native
american
african-american.
H
G
Thank
you
for
that
clarification,
that's
helpful.
I
appreciate
it
and
my
other
question
relates
again
to
communities
of
interest.
The
city
on
its
website
has
a
page
that
shows
and
maps
homeowners,
associations
and
neighborhood
associations
and
they
use
their
gis
mapping.
To
do
that,
I
wondered
if
you've
looked
at
that
and
considered
taking
that
into
consideration
and
even
whether
precincts
take
that
into
consideration
for
that
matter
and
in
in
dividing
and
shuffling
around
precincts.
H
I'll
I'll
take
a
shot
of
that
and
brittany,
you
can
add
if
you
want.
I
did
look
at
that.
There
are
a
lot
of
neighborhood
associations
that
luckily
fall
on
on
saint
francis
and
an
edge,
so
any
plan
that
keeps
saint
francis
on
precincts
to
the
east
are
automatically
not
split.
You
know
there
are
some
important
neighborhoods
that
always
come
up
historically
in
santa
fe
that
I
lo
tierra
contenta
and.
H
And
various
other
ones
that
I
looked
to
make
sure
we
didn't
split.
Is
it
possible
that
some
smaller
neighborhood
association
has
been
split
it's
possible
and
we
can
take
a
look
at
that
also,
as
you
implied,
sometimes
a
precinct
boundary
won't
conform
to
a
neighborhood
and
sometimes
the
precinct
might
split
a
neighborhood
association
and
then
you'd
be
forced
to
include
both
sides
of
the
precincts
together,
which
could
create
compactness
issues.
But
usually
those
are
the
things
that
come
up
in
the
public
meetings,
but
we
we
did.
H
At
least
I
looked
to
make
sure
some
of
the
larger
neighborhoods
were
not
split.
But
inevitably
I
wouldn't
be
surprised.
Luckily
we're
staying
on
major
thoroughfares
and
most
neighborhoods
don't
go
beyond
you
know:
saint
francis
drive
or
cerreas
road,
and
and
but
when
they
fall.
H
When
they're
split
by
a
major
thoroughfare,
it
is
possible
that
we
split
a
neighborhood
association
and
then
you
have
to
decide.
Do
you
really
like
that
cereal
road
border
between
two
districts,
or
do
you
want
to
start
snaking
it
a
little
to
conform
to
a
neighborhood,
and
that
would
be
a
choice
of
yours.
G
Okay,
well,
thank
you
very
much.
Yeah,
I'm
mainly
concerned
you
know.
Yes,
the
major
boundaries
are
the
major
roads,
but
within
that,
as
as
the
consideration
of
what
precincts
should
move
where
I
just
thought,
this
mapping
of
homeowners
and
neighborhood
associations
might
be
looked
at
along
the
way
as
well,
and
I
have
no
idea
of
the
currency
of
what
the
city
has
on
its
website
either.
G
I
And
madam
chair
and
commissioner
breckner,
we
could
work
with
mr
padilla
to
if,
if
he's
got
that
gis
file,
and
we
can't
overlay
it
over
our
our
maps
and
just
double
check
and
and
bring
any
sort
of
issues
to
the
committee
next
time,.
B
That's
that's
a
great
suggestion,
great
questions,
commissioner
bruckner,
and
thank
you
brian
and
brittany,
for
those
comments
and-
and
I
I
think,
the
more
we
can
do
to
respond
to
commissioners
questions
during
meetings
and
provide
information
based
on
their
questions.
I
think
the
better
decisions
we'll
all
make,
so
I
think
that'd
be
a
great
idea
and
since
mr
pavilion
is
here,
we
certainly
welcome
his
help
and
overlaying
that
information
and
working
with
our
consultant.
So
thank
you.
B
Thank
you
was
that
all
commissioner
buckner
yeah.
B
Okay,
commissioner,
quintana.
F
Thank
you
since
I
I
was
wondering,
since
the
concepts
have
been
put
up
and
people
are
probably
very
interested
if
you
could
just
remind
us
what
this
means
like
something
like
concept
c.
What
does
this
mean
for
incumbents?
If
you
could
just
go
over
that?
I
think
that
might
be
a
question
on
people's
minds,
certainly
myself,
just
just
so
that
I
know.
I
Sure
I
can
take
that
one,
madam
chair
and
commissioner
quintana.
So
basically
what
happens?
Is
the
districts
come
into
effect
at
the
next
election,
so
for
incumbents,
who
are
running
in
2023
they'll
be
running
in
the
new
districts,
and
so
if
they
happen
to
be
in
a
district,
so
for
you
know,
concepts
b
and
c
where
those
district,
three
and
district
four
incumbents
who
are
both
running
in
2023,
are
paired.
I
Those
folks
would
need
to
run
against
each
other
or
decide
whether
or
not
they
want
to
run
against
each
other
in
2023.
It
is
a
little
tricky
because
those
those
counselors
who,
whose
term
doesn't
end
until
2025
they'll,
continue
to
represent
their
existing
districts
until
they
run
in
a
new
district
in
2025.
B
F
Just
wanted
to
just
quickly
just
understand
what
what
the
what
the
registered
dream
would
mean
to
them.
B
Thank
you,
okay,
great
commissioner
grazer
and
then
we'll
go
on
to
commissioner
donato
again.
D
D
So
my
question
is
whether
it's
appropriate
or
possible-
I
guess
even
to
pay
attention
to
growth
areas
and
not
concentrate
those
in
any
particular
district.
So
we
keep
more
on
track
through
more
of
the
cycle.
I
Madam
chair
and
commissioner
grazer,
I
think,
there's
a
there's
a
couple
of
ways
to
think
about
that
one
is,
you
know,
do
you
sort
of
split
up
those
high
growth
areas
into
more
than
one
district,
which
you
know
may
have
some
implications
for
communities
of
interest
right?
If
we
know
that
tierra
cantata
is
likely
to
be
the
place
where
a
lot
of
growth
happens
like
do
we
split
that
into
two
districts?
I
The
other
thing,
the
other
possibility
to
sort
of
think
about
and
consider
is,
do
you
just
draw
those
districts
sort
of
on
the
lower
end
of
the
population,
deviation
knowing
that
then
they'll
they'll
grow,
and
so
rather
than
sort
of
having
it
at
you
know,
plus
four
percent.
You
keep
it
at,
maybe
minus
four
percent
to
to
sort
of
be
mindful
of
that
growth
and
give
it
a
little
more
room
to
grow,
and
that's
definitely
something
you
all
can
can
think
about
doing.
B
Okay,
that's.
That
was
an
interesting
question.
That's
like
we
need
a
crystal
ball
to
help
us
with
that.
With
that
one,
and
let's
see,
I
think
commissioner
donato
had
a
follow-up
question.
Is
that
correct.
J
Yes,
ma'am,
okay,
a
very
quick
question
and
that
is
on
the
existing
map.
You
gave
us
the
over
under
percentages.
I
Madam
chair
and
commissioner
donato,
we
are
going
to
give
you
the
table
similar
to
what
brian
showed
during
the
presentation.
You'll
get
a
table
of
data
for
each
conceptual
map
and
that
will
have
the
deviations
for
each
district.
B
Okay,
anyone
else,
mr
grazier,
you
still
have
your
hand
raised.
Do
you
have
a
follow-up
question?
No
okay,
going
once
going
twice
a
lot
of
good
questions,
I'm
not
sure
that
that
gives
mr
standoff
any
any
direction
other
than
some.
Some
responses
to
some
of
the
questions
that
were
were
posed
at
this
point,
mr
sandof.
What
what
is
the
next
step
that
you
all
will
be
undertaking?
Now?
B
We
still
have
to
talk
about
the
the
or
listen
to
public
comment
if
we
have
any
at
the
end
of
this
meeting,
which
may
provide
some
additional
information
that
that
you
all
need
to
look
at
mr
sandro,
but
at
this
point
where,
where
would
we
go
with
our
next
presentation
from
you
all
at
our
next
gathering.
H
H
If
you
don't
have
any
suggestion
revisions
for
us
today
and
see
what
else
comes
out
of
the
meeting
so
again
pretty
much
today,
you
can
tell
the
reason
we
gave
three
different
flavors
of
a
is
because
a
is
more
of
the
status
quo,
oriented
communities
of
interest
of
santa
fe
as
it
relates
to
current
districts.
Then
we
we
b
and
c
are
just
wholly
different
approaches,
one
where
central
santa
fe
comes
down
and
airport
road
rodeo
road,
the
district
says
south
of
airport
and
rodeo,
and
that
has
big
implications
for
incumbents.
H
So
at
some
point,
we'd
like
to
hear
also
a
discussion
among
the
commissioners.
It's
as
things
evolve
about.
You
know
how
much
do
we
take
into
account
these
other
concepts
or
when
one
takes
into
account
the
role
of
incumbency
and
the
potential
confusion
which
is
more
important.
Those
are
all
the
types
of
things
you'll
have
to
weigh
to
provide
us
with
more
direction,
but
you're
being
hit
with
a
lot
of
information
all
at
once
here,
and
so
we're
not
necessarily
expecting
any
anything
big
to
come
from
this.
Okay.
B
And
I
appreciate
that
there
is
a
lot
of
data
and
looking
at
these
maps
and
then
sitting
down
and
and
getting
to
feel
like
I
pretty
much
know
where
all
the
streets
that
she
mentioned
are
but
some
of
the
commissioners
may
not.
It
would
be
good
for
them
to
digest
the
maps
and
look
at
them
and
understand
them
a
bit
better.
So
yeah,
it's
a
little
more
challenging
right
now
to
give
you
further
direction,
then
then
we
then
because
we
so
just
recently
saw
the
the
maps.
B
I
I
do
appreciate
the
the
sequencing
of
the
different
concepts
with
the
the
one
that
is
less
disruptive
being
being
a
and
showing
the
changes
there
without
displacing
a
lot
of
the
city
councillors.
I
mean,
I
think,
that
that's
there's
some
a
lot
of
logic
to
that,
and
so
I
appreciate
the
way
you
you've
sorted
out
your
concepts,
but
again,
I'm
I'm
very
anxious
to
hear
what
our
public
members
and
the
community
have
to
say
and
how
they
feel
this
would
impact
them
as
as
citizens
and
voters
and
so
well.
B
I
also
like
you
look
forward
to
the
public
comment
to
see
what
we're
going
to
hear
in
that
regard.
Does
it
does
anyone
have
any
comments
to
what
brian
just
said
in
terms
of
additional
direction
to
the
commission?
Oh
I'm,
sorry,
I
didn't
see
your
hand,
commissioner
beckner.
G
There
we
go
sorry
about
that.
Yes,
I
think
it
would
be
very
premature
for
speaking
for
myself
for
me
to
weigh
in
in
any
way
shape
or
form
having
just
seen
these
within
the
past
two
or
three
hours,
but
I
would
be
curious
what
research
in
polling
is
looking
for
when
you're
looking
for
feedback
a
week
or
two
weeks
from
us
and
further
questions
on
these
concepts,
or
sooner
or
in
between
meetings
in
some
fashion.
I
just
curious
how
the
process
and
the
timing
might
work
for
you
all.
H
Okay,
thank
you,
madam
chair
commissioners,
and
the
city
clerk
may
want
to
weigh
in
on
this.
I
think
because
of
the
open
meeting
fact,
if
you
were
to
provide
us
with
guidance
outside
the
meeting
it
might
be
in
writing
and
it
might
be
something
that
also
be
posted
on
the
website
or
you
could
make
a
decision
that
you
want
to
hold
off
your
feedback
until
the
next
meeting,
and
I
guess
those
are
two
considerations.
There
might
be
other
options
out
there,
I'm
not
thinking
of,
but
I
I
you
know.
B
I
I
would
just
kind
of
give
my
response
to
that.
I
I
think
the
majority
of
our
work
should
be
done
in
our
meetings.
That
way,
the
public
has
the
opportunity
to
listen
and
be
part
of
the
dialogue
and
then
at
the
end
of
the
meetings,
because
from
now
on,
we're
going
to
have
public
comment
at
the
end
of
the
meetings
that
way
that
the
public
has
ability
to
list
what
we're
talking
about,
digest
it
and
then
react
to
it
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
and
and
move
forward
in
that
regard.
B
A
I
will
actually
weigh
in
on
that,
and
it
is
true
when
there's
individual
direction
from
commissioners.
It's
hard
to
know
if
that's
the
consensus
of
the
entire
commission
and
I
think,
creates
some
inconsistency
for
our
consultant
additionally,
depending
on
the
number
of
individuals
that
have
weighed
in
on
the
decision
that
could
trigger
a
rolling
quorum
issue
as
well.
So
I
do
think
that,
unless
there's
unanimous
consensus
that
individual
direction
would
be
taken
into
consideration,
but
again,
if
there's
conflicting
direction
within
the
commission
and
emails,
you
know
that's
something
to
also
be
aware
of.
A
So
it's.
G
A
G
Well,
I
just
I
I
just
in
asking
the
question
I
didn't
wasn't
presuming
that
was
a
good
solution.
I
was
just
asking
the
question
to
better
understand
what
kind
of
process
research
in
poland
was
looking
for
and
then,
in
addition
to
that,
when,
when,
if
we
have
another
meeting,
how
soon
research
in
polling
would
like
for
us
to
start
weighing
in,
so
you
can
proceed
with
your
adjustments
or
further
research.
H
Madam
chair
commissioners,
commissioner
breckner
yeah
we'd
love
to
have
it
at
any
time
in
any
public
meeting
and
oftentimes.
You
might
have
a
suggestion
that
we
could
even
address
very
quickly
and
perhaps
even
get
it
up
on
the
website
for
new
alternatives
and
so
yeah
anytime
that
within
a
public
meeting
you
can
provide
us
with
some
questions
or
insights.
H
B
Okay,
so
I
think
that
that
takes
us
to
the
next
item
on
the
agenda,
which
would
be
matters
from
the
chair
which
are
going
to
just
include
some
of
the
conversations
regarding
scheduling
of
meetings
that
we
started
last
time
as
well
as
community
outreach
issues.
Those
are
the
two
areas
that
I
thought
we
needed
to
to
touch
base
on
also
being
mindful
of
the
time.
B
I
know
we're
trying
to
get
down
by
five,
but
so
since
we're
talking
about
timing
and
we're
talking
about
data
to
mr
sanderoff,
let's
talk
about
the
scheduling
of
meetings
and
because
we
really
have
two
months.
We
only
have
two
months
before
we
make
that
final
decision
and
that's
not
that
long
of
a
timeline.
B
So
it
sounds
like
well.
Let
me
open
it
to
to
conversation,
then
I'll.
Just
give
give
you
all
my
thoughts
based
on
some
of
the
calendars
I
was
looking
at.
So
does
anyone
have
any
comments
or
suggestions
regarding
timing?
We
did
talk
about
at
our
last
meeting
having
our
next
meeting
on
may
the
5th
which-
and
we
allowed
that
two-week
time
period,
because
we
thought
there
was
going
to
be
a
lot
of
changes
that
needed
to
be
made,
and
that
would
give
the
consultants
time
to
do
that.
B
But
at
this
point
we
really
haven't
given
our
consultants
any
direction
to
do
a
lot
of
work
in
two
weeks
so
conceivably.
We
could
have
another
meeting
next
week
and
I'll
leave
it
there
and
let
me
open
it
up
for
conversation
board
members.
Commissioners,
commissioner,
quintana.
B
Well
and
maybe
I'll
let
the
city
click
jump
in,
because
I
know
the
city's
changing
that
policy
and
our
city
clerk,
kendall's,
sick,
I'm,
sorry!
It's
okay!.
A
I
know
it's
anyways,
the
the
city
is
changing
their
remote
meeting
with
our
emergency
order.
So
as
of
may,
11th
meetings
will
be
back
in
person.
A
So
any
meeting
between
now
and
may
11th
will
continue
on
zoom
and
then
after
may,
11th
we
will
transition
to
in-person
meetings.
B
Anything
else,
commissioner,
quintana
okay,
so
that
gives
us
a
couple
of
weeks.
We
could
have
zoom
meetings
still
and
and
and
then
from
there
move
on
to
the
in
person,
probably
hearings
that
we'll
be
having
in
person,
which
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
allow
community
members
to
join
us.
Any
other
questions
from
the
commissioners
comments
or
thoughts
about
the
setting
up
the
the
meetings.
B
I'm
going
to
suggest
that
we
consider
having
a
meeting
next
week
and
and
that
way
commissioners
will
have
time
to
digest
the
data
that
they've
seen
today
and
come
up
with
suggestions
that
then
could
be
presented
to
mr
sanderoff
and
his
staff.
That
would
then
put
us
in
a
position
to
start
giving
them
direction.
B
That's
one
suggestion
and,
and
then
from
there.
We
could
give
mr
sander
off
two
weeks
after
next
week
to
get
what
he
needs
prepared
for.
You
know
taken
care
of,
and
then
the
other
thing
I
want
to
throw
out
for
consideration
is
we've.
We
talked
earlier
about
having
all
of
our
meetings
on
thursday
and
we
did
talk
as
well
about
having
our
hearings
in
the
evening,
which
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
allow
for
more
participation.
B
But,
as
I
look
at
the
calendar,
the
months
of
may
and
june
are
busy
months
for
families
and
children
in
schools
and
parents,
and
so
thursday
evening.
Meetings
may
because
of
graduation
and
all
kinds
of
activities
may
not
may
prevent
some
members
of
the
population
to
not
attend.
So
I
I
don't
know
what
the
commission
thinks
about.
Maybe
looking
at
tuesday
evening,
if
that
works
or
even
wednesday,
but
when
you
have
activities
at
school,
that's
usually
thursday
friday
the
weekend.
B
G
I
would
just
ask
the
question
from
mr
sander
offered
miss
paulus
when
how
long
it
will
be
before
we
get
the
backup
data,
the
additional
charts
and
information
that
you've
talked
about
sending
to
us
relating
to
the
five
plans.
You
showed
us.
I
Sure,
madam
chair
and
commissioner
brechner,
the
clerk
and
assistant
clerk
have
a
link
to
a
dropbox
with
all
that
data
in
it,
and
hopefully
they
could
send
it
immediately.
After
this
meeting.
G
Oh
okay,
great
and
then
in
the
answer
to
your
question,
madam
chair,
I
agree
with
you.
It
makes
sense
to
explore
other
nights.
I
think
we
should
perhaps
hear
from
staff.
I
know
tuesday
night
tends
to
be
tuesday.
Evenings
tend
to
be
a
busy
time
for
other
city
meetings
that
staff
may
be
involved
in.
So
I
just
raised
that
point
of
consideration
as
well.
B
H
If,
before
a
final
decision
is
made,
if
we
could
also
at
least
hear
what
that
might
be,
because
we're
aiding
other
cities
and
school
boards
and
have
made
certain
commitments
as
well.
E
H
So
hopefully,.
B
Great,
no,
I
think
that
that
makes
sense.
That's
why
I'm
about
my
calendar
for
the
months
of
may
and
june
in
front
of
me,
and
if
we
can
set
those
timelines
out,
I
think
it
just
makes
sense
for
everyone,
and
so
I
want
to
hear
from
our
city
clerk
to
see
what
she
she's
got
a
little
bit
of
a
worried
expression
on
her
face
to
see
what
she
thinks
about
our
our
timelines
and
our
evening
meetings.
B
A
No
worries,
I
think
we
have
flexibility
on
tuesdays
and
thursdays,
so
the
one
thing
I
would
just
note
is,
depending
on
the
time
when
mondays
and
wednesdays
are,
are
really
big
city
meetings
for
us
in
other
ways,
but
and
constituents,
but
depending
on
the
time,
thursdays
are
fine
and
tuesdays
are
something
that
we
can
absolutely
accommodate.
A
B
H
Madam
chair
and
commissioners,
I
might
not
be
the
best
one
to
answer
that
question.
I
don't
know
if
brittany
and
michael's
in
charge
of
scheduling
but
yeah.
I
I
I
can
speak
to
that.
Madam
chair
and
brian.
We
wednesdays
would
be
very
difficult
for
us.
I
think
tuesdays
would
help.
Okay.
B
Me,
okay,
okay,
all
right!
So
I'm
just
still
checking
madam
city
clerk.
Shall
we
set
up
the
dates
now
and
just
for
the
hearings
and
then
and
a
meeting
next
week
now
the
meeting
next
week,
since
it's
not
going
to
be
in
the
evening,
can
still
be
on
a
thursday.
B
Is
that
correct?
That
would
be
the
28th.
B
So
that
would
be
the
the
meeting,
so
we
will
the
board
members.
Could
the
commissioners
could
get
the
all
the
backup
data
sent
to
us
in
the
next
day
or
two,
because
the
city
already
has
that
and
that
backup
data
will
answer
some
questions.
It'll
give
our
commissioners
a
week
from
today
to
to
digest
the
data
we
come
back
thursday.
B
A
Madam
chair,
my
recommendation
would
be
to
give
us
dates
to
look
at
and
then
we
can
review
them
because
I
also
will
need
to
secure
locations
for
those
or
desired
locations.
So
I
don't
want
to
commit
to
just,
for
example,
the
south
side
library
on
a
certain
date
without
verifying
that
it's
actually
available.
A
But
if
you
would
like
to
if
the
commission
would
like
to
propose
dates
for
the
public
meetings,
we
absolutely
can
look
into
available
locations
between
now
and
next
meeting
to
see
what
we
can
accommodate.
But
I
so
I'm
happy
to
to
explore
certain
dates
and
locations.
A
But
then
we
can
verify
at
the
next
meeting
that
they're
available
or
not.
If
that's,
okay
with
the
commission
at
this
point.
B
J
Yeah,
I
like
the
idea
of
having
a
meeting
to
dike,
actually
discuss
the
digested
concepts
on
the
28th,
and
then
I
guess
the
clerk
is
going
to
come
back
with
some
ideas
on
public
meeting
dates.
Is
that
what
I'm
hearing
she's.
A
A
Madam
chair,
yes,
if,
if
there
are
dates
that
you
would
like
us
to
explore,
then
we
can
look
at
available
locations
for
those
states.
So
I
think
sending
a
meeting
for
next
week
with
the
commission.
We
can
absolutely
accommodate.
A
But
I
would
just
like
to
note
that
if
there
are
certain
dates,
you
would
like
us
to
explore
for
the
public
kind
of
hearings
that
we
have
an
opportunity
between
now
and
next
week
to
verify
that
the
locations
and
dates
are
available
for,
say
the
hanover
chavez
center
community
room
for
the
public,
south
side
library
or
any
desired
locations
for
those
meetings
that
you're
proposing.
J
Well,
I
think
that
the
tuesday
night
dates
beginning
on,
I
believe,
may
10th
if
my
calendar
is
right
and
then
the
follow
on
two
weeks
after
that
for
the
four
public
hearings,
I
think
that's
one,
that
we
should
seriously
consider
because
it
seems
like
everybody's
in
agreement
with
a
tuesday
afternoon
or
tuesday
evening,
works
well
for
her
for
everybody.
So
I'm
in
favor
of
that.
B
Thank
you,
commissioner
donato.
So
then
base
balancing
off
of
that.
If
we
have
two
public
hearings
in
may
and
two
public
hearings
in
june,
the
first
public
hearing
in
may
would
be
may
10th
tuesday
evening.
The
second
would
be
two
weeks
later.
I
think
it's
june
may
24th
tuesday
evening
and
then
following
up
in
june,
the
first,
the
third
public
meeting
could
be
june
7th
a
tuesday
evening
and
then
the
next
one.
Two
weeks
later
june,
21
tuesday.
J
J
A
C
B
Thank
you
gary
for
pointing
that
out.
I
didn't
have
that
on
my
calendar.
I
don't
know
why.
Okay
any
more
comments
on
those,
so
those
are
four
tentative
dates
and
and
christie.
I
know
you
have
your
hands
up
reaction.
Madam.
H
Chair,
could
you
repeat
and,
and
could
you
repeat,
the
states.
B
Okay,
madam
city
clerk,
I
do.
A
Have
just
two
quick
questions:
one
is
may
10
the
commission
could
actually
meet
on
zoom
and
we
could
promote
the
first
public
hearing
as
an
online
people
could
weigh
in
with
a
zoom
link
and
a
webinar,
if
that's
a
preference
for
this,
for
this
commission
just
want
to
flag
that
in
terms
of
timing,
I
think
that
might
actually
be
a
really
nice
first
meeting
for
the
commission
and
allow
for
city-wide
participation
regardless
of
location.
A
I
do
again
just
want
to
note
that,
but
then
I
also
just
want
to
see
if,
if
that
is
the
preference,
if
there
are
locations
for
the
other
three
meetings,
that
you
would
like
us
to
explore
to
kind
of
move
around
the
city
sort
of
speak
in
different
districts,
I
know
we
had
originally
thought.
Maybe
the
chavez
center
that
have
the
hanover
chavez
center
could
be
a
possible
location
in
the
community
room
and
then
the
southside
library
are
two
that
I
that
had
come
up.
A
B
Thank
you
for
letting
us
know
that
about
the
zoom.
So
we'll
look
at
our
april
28th
meeting
on
zoom
and
the
may
10th
meeting
non-zoom
and
then
the
next
three
sharings
will
be
in
person
and
christine's
recommending
the
chavez
center
and
the
southside
library
which
have
traditionally
been
used
for
these
series,
which
makes
sense.
Does
anyone
have
another
recommendation
option
location,
commissioner
brichner.
G
Four
four:
three:
if
I
got
that
right,
so
I'm
thinking,
maybe
in
a
location
that
has
significant
impact
from
some
of
the
proposals
that
are
made
might
be
worthwhile,
and
I
had
one
other
question.
Let's
see,
oh
for
the
zoom
meeting,
the
first
public
meeting
may
10th.
If
I
heard
correctly,
there
will
be
a
web
page
from
the
city
with
these
maps
available
to
the
public
in
advance,
and
if
that's
the
case
for
that
first
public
meeting,
I'll
presume
that
will
be
publicized.
A
Yes,
I
sorry,
madame
chairman,
yes,
we
can.
We
can
look
at
the
convention
center
as
well,
if
that's
a
desired
location,
that's
more
in
district
one
and
close
proximity
for
district
2.
If,
if
that's
something
that
we
want
to
look
at
and
then
just
to
note,
the
presentation
that
was
provided
to
the
commission
today
is
already
available
online
as
packet
material
and
it
will
be
posted.
A
The
youtube
link
and
video,
along
with
the
presentation,
will
be
posted
on
the
redistricting
web
page
as
well,
so
that'll
be
available,
probably
in
the
next
few
minutes.
G
B
That's
a
great
question,
commissioner,
richard
because
one
of
the
things
I'm
just
navigating
the
city
website
now
because
of
this
volunteer
job,
and
so
I've
been
learning
it's
a
big
learning
curve,
but
I
think
anything
we
can
do
to
make
the
regis
14
data
user-friendly,
because
it's
a
short
window,
if
you
have
to
go
to
three
different
places
on
the
city
website
to
get
that
data.
B
Unless
you
know
what
you're
looking
for,
you
may
not
find
it
if
there
was
any
way
that
maybe
on
the
main
page
of
the
city
website,
it
talked
about
redistricting.
Commission,
you
know
something
to
get
to
one
click
on
the
main
page
will
get
people
there.
I
think
that
will
service
well
to
provide
transparency
and
more
quick
information
for
it
for
the
city
residents,
but
I
appreciate
burl
you
bring
that
up
because
we
need
to
have
that
information
out
there
and
easily
accessible.
B
So
anything
you
can
do.
Madam
city,
look
to
get
that
going.
I
certainly
would
appreciate
that,
and
you
also
mentioned
the
convention
center
is:
are
there
other?
B
That's
that's
in
district
one
correct:
are
there
other
areas
and
two
and
I'm
sorry
in
three
and
four
besides
travis
and
southside,
because
as
mentioned
earlier
by
one
of
the
commissioners,
those
are
the
areas
that
are
more
impacted
by
these
recommendations
is,
if
you
could
look
for
another
area,
another
site
to
have
one
of
the
hearings
that
falls
within
those
two
impacted
districts.
I
think
that
would,
I
think
at
least
facilitate
more
participation
from
the
affected
districts,
and
you
don't
have
to
answer
that
now.
B
G
B
Oh,
that's
a
great
idea,
that's
a
great
idea.
So
can
we
leave
that
to
you,
madam
city
clerk,
to
look
at
something
else
in
addition
to
chavez
center,
south
side
library
in
one
of
the
affected,
two
effective
districts?
That
was
something
else
I
was
going
to
mention.
I
lost
it.
B
On
district
one
so
senior
center
or
school
in
those
areas,
those
are
two
great
ideas.
Okay
and
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
mention.
Oh
we're
gonna
need
to
start
doing
some.
Some
outreach
community
outreach
regarding
the
public
hearings
and
getting
information
out
to
the
media
and
to
the
newspaper-
and
I
know
the
city
is
in
charge
of
doing
that
for
us,
but
I'll
be
chatting
with
madam
city
clerk
to
see
what
we
need
to
do.
If
I
need
to
write
a
letter
to
the
editor
on
behalf
of
the
commission.
B
In
order
to
promote
these
dates,
we
can
start
doing
that
after
next
week's
meeting,
once
we
get
the
dates
final
finalized
and
the
location
is
finalized,
we
need
to
get
the
word
out
that
we're
having
these
hearings
and
these
are
the
locations,
and
this
is
how
you
get
to
them
and
so
we'll
be
I'll,
be
working
with
the
the
staff
figuring
out.
What's
the
best
way
and
multiple
ways
to
get
the
information
out
comments,
those
are
the
two
issues
I
had.
B
The
community
outreach
the
work,
that's
going
to
be
ongoing
and
then
the
scheduling
of
meetings-
and
I
think
we
got
pretty
close
to
them-
that
and
we're
getting
close
to
our
time.
I
need
to
check
and
see
if
we
have
anyone
online
for
public
comment,
because
that
is
an
item
for
you
on
the
agenda
and
I
guess
christine
you
would
be
the
one
that
would
get
that
notification
and
would
let
us
know
if
someone's
out
there
holding
on
and
waiting
to
speak.
A
There
is
not
anyone
in
the
waiting
room,
but
also
assistant
city
clerk.
Hardiness.
Do
you
is
there
anybody,
that's
provided
any
written
comment
or
anything.
B
So
so
we
will
be
entertaining
public
speaking
comments
as
well
as
written
comments.
Okay,
that's
great
to
know.
I
didn't.
I
didn't
realize
that
okay,
anything
else,
commissioners.
H
We,
we
did
a
meeting
in
city
of
albuquerque
recently
where
we
showed
tons
of
concepts
and
they
decided
just
to
ask
the
commissioners
well,
what
do
you
think
and
70
of
them
chose
the
same
plan
that
they
really
like
to
just
have
that
discussion
of
what
looks
good
and
what
doesn't
also
is
another
way
of
allowing
us
to
continue
to
fine-tune
the
plans
that
seem
to
make
the
most
sense,
and-
and
so
we
don't
always
need
direction,
change
this
precinct.
B
Great
point:
I'm
glad
I'm
glad
you
mentioned
that
and
now
is
a
great
opportunity
to
let
mr
sanderoff
know
what
of
those
concepts
floats
your
boat
and
you
might
think,
would
work
to
present
to
the
community.
Any
comments.
B
B
I
think
I
learned
last
week
that
I
so
next
meeting
just
going
to
announce
it
now
will
be
april
28th
thursday
at
3
p.m,
on
zoom,
and
we
will
then
react
to
our
consultants
regarding
the
backup
data
that
we've
received
and
once
we've
digested
all
the
maps,
then
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
tell
mr
sanderoff
this
one
is
really
the
plan.
B
I
like
this
one
looks
good,
or
maybe
a
version
of
this
one
and
that
one
together
so
next
week
we
should
be
able
to
have
a
good
conversation
with
our
consultants
about
what
we
feel
comfortable
in
presenting
to
our
community,
okay
and
then
having
said
that,
madam
city
clerk,
anything
else,
final
words
or
miss
cardenas,
no
okay,
then
at
501.