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A
B
Good
evening,
so
we
will
call
the
October
20th
2022
Planning
Commission
meeting
to
order.
Do
we
have
a
roll
call?
Yes
present,
commissioner?.
D
E
B
Thank
you,
commissioner
Lawrence.
Could
you
lead
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance.
A
B
F
F
2022-5764
Midtown
master
plan
be
moved
ahead
of
case
2022
-5766
Midtown
link
overlay
text
Amendment,
the
master
plan
will
be
included
by
reference
in
the
Pud
overlay
ordinance
and
the
Pud
is
referenced
in
the
link
Amendment.
So
the
City
attorney
has
determined
that
the
master
plan
should
be
recommended
for
approval
prior
to
recommendation
of
for
approval
of
the
link
over
latex
Amendment.
So
moving
the
link
case
above
the
master
plan.
B
Other
way
so
the
Midtown
master
plan,
2022
5764,
would
be
number
three
and
the
Midtown
link,
which
is
case
number
20,
22
5766,
would
be
number
four
correct.
F
And
then
next,
the
text
amendments
in
case
caption
for
the
link
overlay
have
also
been
modified
and
refined
from
the
draft
version
that
was
originally
put
on.
Prime
gov
Ms
Lamb
will
review
the
the
link
overlay
takes
amendment
in
detail
in
our
presentation
and
we
can
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
regarding
the
contemplated
structure
or
language
of
that.
But
but
the
version
that
I'm
referring
to
is
on
you
know,
isn't
everyone's
packet
and
available
to
the
public.
Now,
okay,.
F
And
finally,
there's
also
one
minor,
clear
Claire
on
page
six
of
the
link
Amendment,
it
should
be
corrected
with
any
motion
for
approval,
so
under
table
14-5.5-3,
the
Midtown
link
overlay
District
non-residential
uses
eligible
for
qualifying
projects,
there's
a
p
for
permitted
use
under
the
non-residential
assembly
that
should
be
stricken
so
that
the
table
for
qualifying
projects
currently
allowed
remains,
as
is
so,
there's
no
change
to
that
table,
except
changing
the
X's
to
P's
to
be
in
Conformity
with
the
the
rest
of
the
Land
Development
code.
Nomenclature.
F
So
if
you
look
at
the
the
row
for
assembly
and
the
column
for
non-commercial
uses,
there's
a
p
there
that
doesn't
belong.
D
B
Think
that's
all.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Any
amendments
from
the
commission,
if
not
I'll,
entertain
a
motion.
E
D
B
Thank
you.
The
next
matter
on
the
agenda
is
approval
of
minutes,
August,
18,
20,
22
minutes
any
changes
to
those
minutes.
B
I
I
have
one
change
and
that
is
I
was
not
present,
but
I
was
excused
and
it
doesn't
have
excuse
now.
There
I
wanted
to
make
sure
I
wasn't
missing
in
action.
E
B
Yes,
next
is
this:
the
approval
of
the
September
1
2022
minutes
any
changes
to
those
minutes.
If
not
I'll
entertain
a
motion.
H
B
Thank
you.
The
next
matter
on
the
agenda
is
the
staff
communication.
We
will
have
a
report
from
Jesse
roach
who's.
The
director
of
the
city
of
Santa,
Fe,
Water,
Division
I'm,
going
to
ask
that
the
report
be
somewhat
brief,
because
I
think
we're
going
to
have
a
long
night.
Ask
Commissioners
to
I
know
it's
a
it's
an
important
issue
and
it's
an
issue
that
needs
probably
more
presentation
but
I.
J
You
is,
are
my
slides
visible
to
the
zoom
folks,
doesn't
seem
like
they're
visible
to
anyone
in
the
room
either.
F
J
Okay,
my
name,
my
name
is
Jesse
roach
I'm,
the
director
of
City
of
Santa
Fe
water
I'm,
here
to
answer
a
question
that
many
Santa
fans
ask
themselves.
As
they
drive
around
town,
see
new
buildings
going
up.
Do
we
have
the
water
to
support
this
growth
I'm
here,
to
explain
that
why?
Even
in
the
midst
of
this
unprecedented
drought,
the
answer
is
yes,
Santa
Fe
has
four
drinking
water
supplies
that
serve
homes
and
businesses.
J
The
Canyon
Road
water
treatment
plant
and
City
Wells
provide
water
from
our
local
Watershed,
which
is
outlined
in
Blue
on
the
map,
while
the
Buckman,
Wells
and
Buckman
direct
diversion
provide
water
from
other
watersheds.
In
addition,
our
wastewater
treatment
plant
provides
reclaimed
water
to
water
parks
and
golf
courses.
J
J
But
let's
back
up
a
little
bit
and
see
how
we
got
here,
the
First
Act
of
this
story
goes
from
1880
through
1995
and
we
might
call
it
sustainability
lost
in
this
act.
Water
demand
grew
exponentially
and
the
Sangre
de
Cristo
water
company
developed
three
supplies
to
keep
up
the
Santa
Fe
River
first
and
then
local
and
Regional
Wells,
and
by
the
end
of
this
act
the
wells
were
being
overused
back
two
which
might
be
called
sustainably.
Fat
sustainability
found
started
in
1995
when
the
city
bought
the
water
company
from
pnm.
J
J
This
graph
shows
average
water
use
for
the
past
eight
years
on
the
left
with
river
water
in
blue
and
well
water
and
orange,
and
on
the
right
is
the
amount
that
we
estimate
has
been
sustainably
available
year
in
and
year
out.
In
that
same
period,
we've
used
about
three
quarters
of
sustainable
availability
and,
as
a
result,
again
we're
building
up
reserves
in
the
groundwater
system.
J
That
brings
us
to
act
three,
which
is
the
future,
we're
in
good
shape
now,
but
what
about
climate
change
and
based
on
the
best
available
science?
We
expect
that
there
will
be
a
25
that
there
will
be
25
to
33
percent,
less
water,
Available
To
Us
by
the
end
of
this
Century
than
was
available
in
the
second
half
of
the
last
century
and
the
question
on
many
people's
minds.
What
about
growth?
J
You
get
shortages,
and
so
this
graph
shows
time
on
the
bottom
axis
2020
through
2070,
and
the
blue
shading
represents
the
possible
range
of
shortages
in
the
future
or
the
range
of
climate
change,
projections
that
were
considered
worst
case.
Climate
change
projections
could
result
in
shortages
as
early
as
next
decade,
while
the
the
middle
or
the
median
climate
change
projection
shows
shortages
starting
in
about
the
2050s
again.
This
is
potential
shortages.
J
If
we
don't
do
anything,
but
we're
going
to
do
something
and
actually
we're
going
to
do
many
things,
our
adaptation
strategies,
which
is
what
we
call
them
to
avoid
shortages,
we'll
continue
to
start
with
conservation,
but
we're
turning
our
attention
to
more
use
of
reclaimed,
water
and
specifically
the
San
Juan
shama,
return
flow
project,
questions
and
here's
why
effluent
use
has
so
much
potential
to
us.
Almost
two-thirds
of
the
potable
water
that
is
used
in
the
city
arrives
at
the
passaria
Water
Reclamation
facility
near
the
airport
for
treatment.
J
J
J
With
the
San
Juan
shama
return
flow
project,
which
is
shown
on
the
right
unconsumed,
San,
Juan,
Chama
water
that
arrives
at
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
will
be
returned
to
the
Rio
Grande
just
below
the
bdd,
so
that
less
water
can
be
released
from
Upstream
reservoirs
to
make
the
same
diversion
at
bdd,
without
reducing
Rio
Grande
flows
Downstream.
So
the
only
thing
that's
different
when
you
look
at
the
left
and
you
look
at
the
right-
is
that
we're
releasing
about
a
third
of
the
water
from
our
Upstream
reservoirs?
J
San
Juan
Chama
return
floor
project
more
than
double
our
river-based
supply,
so
the
third
bar
in
this
figure
shows
the
increased
Supply
with
the
return
flow
project
in
place,
a
sustainable
Supply.
That
is
more
than
double
our
current
demand.
This
project
will
create
resiliency
in
the
face
of
climate
change
and
allow
us
to
avoid
shortages
for
decades
to
come,
but
in
the
long
run
we
expect
climate
change
to
reduce
those
supplies
and
growth
to
increase
demands,
as
represented
in
the
bar
at
the
right.
J
But
if
you
feel
like
you
just
drank
from
a
fire
hose
and
would
like
to
try
something
slower,
please
visit
our
website
or
email
me
and
the
these
same
slides
are
also
available
as
a
video
with
narration
from
our
website
or
from
this
longer
URL.
Both
of
these
URLs
are
available
in
the
packet
associated
with
this.
This
meeting,
and
so
with
that
I
would
stand
for
questions.
K
Mr
roach
with
regard
to
the
water
supply
coming
from
the
Santa
Fe
River
Watershed
are
the
assumptions
that
you're
using
now
based
on
the
best
available
science
with
regard
to
climate
change,
changing
from
snowpack
to
rainfall,
and
how
would
we
retain
that
in
the
reservoirs
and
what
kind
of
physical
infrastructure
would
we
need.
J
Commissioner,
pava
and
Madam
chair
that's
an
excellent
question,
and
so
there
is
a
lot
that
goes
into
taking
these
future
projections
and
then
figuring
out
what
they
would
mean
for
us
and
we
do
have
a
water
operations
model
which
does
account
for
storage
in
the
reservoirs,
different
demands,
and
essentially
the
short
answer
to
your
question
is
yes,
as
long
as
that,
those
projections
which
are
from
these
climate
change
models,
downscaled
and
fed
into
our
model.
K
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
concise
answer
and
presentation.
I
hope
that
what
you're
working
on
can
be
folded
into
the
evolving
comprehensive
master
plan
that
is
in
the
works.
H
Thank
you,
chair,
Mr,
Rose
I,
wanted
to
ask.
You
spoke
about
the
return
flow
project
as
a
future
goal.
That's
going
to
be
very
important.
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
speak
a
little
bit
to
the
resources
that
are
necessary
to
accomplish
that,
and
if
this
is
is
this
is
an
accomplishable
sort
of
goal.
What
you
see
in
terms
of
what's
necessary
to
make
that
happen.
J
Thank
you
for
the
question
that
there
are
sort
of
three
main
pieces
remaining
for
us
to
to
implement
that
project.
J
Those
include
an
engineering
design,
phase,
a
permitting
phase
and
a
construction
phase,
and
we
are
in
the
process,
we've
selected,
a
engineering
firm
to
do
the
engineering
design
for
us
and
we
will
be
starting
that
contract
through
the
committee
process
next
week.
That's
a
significant
effort,
it's
somewhere
between
three
and
a
half
and
four
million
dollars
for
the
design
and
then
the
permitting
is
sort
of
ongoing.
There's
a
ose
Office
of
the
State
engineer,
sort
of
water
rights
related
permitting
process
that
we've
started.
J
There's
a
National,
Environmental
Protection
act
process
that
we
started
and
there's
a
lower
Santa
Fe
River
Community
Based
planning
process.
That
is
also
been
initiated,
so
those
three
prongs
and
then
finally,
the
construction.
We
have
received
a
grant
from
the
federal
government
for
up
to
six
million
dollars
to
help
defray
the
costs.
But
you
know
this
is
going
to
be
an
expensive
piece
of
infrastructure,
probably
somewhere
in
the
30.
Millions
of
dollars
is
our
sort
of
latest
estimate.
J
We
are
currently
in
permitting
and
design.
Hopefully,
the
design
will
be
done
in
the
next
year
or
two
hopefully
permitting
also
perhaps
in
the
next
year
or
two
I
would
think
it
would
be
at
the
best
case
scenario,
construction
starting
in
two
years,
but
it's
probably
more
three
or
four
years-
is
probably
more
realistic.
B
B
Are
there
any
changes
to
the
findings
of
facts
and
conclusions
of
law?
If
not
I'll
entertain
a
motion?
B
Second,
commissioner,
pava
moved
to
approve
commissioner
Lawrence
seconded
commissioner.
D
B
Okay,
there's
no
old
business,
we'll
now
move
on
to
new
business,
and
we
will
address
case
number.
There
are
I
think
six
cases
case,
number
2022
5763,
which
is
the
Midtown
General
plan,
Amendment
case
number
2022-5765,
which
is
the
Midtown
rezoning
case
number
2022-5764,
which
is
the
Midtown
master
plan.
B
The
next
matter
is
2022
case
number
2022
Dash
5766
was
which
is
the
Midtown
link
text
Amendment.
The
fifth
case
is
case,
number
2022-5767,
which
is
the
Midtown
adjacent
Parcels
General
plan
Amendment
and
the
last
case
is
case,
number
2022-5769,
which
is
the
Midtown
adjacent
parcels
rezoning
and.
L
Good
evening,
chair
Cloud,
thank
you
from
the
commission.
My
name
is
Heather
lamboy
and
I'll
be
presenting
tonight's
cases.
If
it
places
a
chair,
we
would
like
to
focus
the
attention
on
the
master
plan
and
Associated
actions
first
and
then
the
adjacent
Parcels
next,
so
there
will
be
two
presentations.
The
second
one
will
be
very
succinct,
but
we
would
like
to
manage
the
adjacent
Parcels
under
of
different
hearing.
Does
that
is
that
all
right.
L
So
this
evening,
I'm
here
to
present
the
Midtown
proposed
General
plan,
Amendment
rezoning
master
plan
and
then
text
Amendment.
Just
as
charcoal
mentioned,
the
request
is
to
change
the
general
plan
category
from
low
density
residential,
which
is
three
to
seven
dwelling
units
per
acre
to
transitional
mixed
use
to
accommodate
the
proposed
uses
that
are
contemplated
in
the
master
plan.
There
is
a
resounding
request
as
well
to
government
residential
five
dwelling
units
per
acre
to
General
commercial,
which
will,
and
it's
actually
General
commercial
planned
unit
development,
because
this
is
a
unique.
L
The
master
plan
will
serve
as
an
implementing
tool
of
the
planned
unit,
development
and
then,
finally,
the
link
text
Amendment.
This
represents
a
lot
of
work
that
has
been
done
over
several
years.
I
remember,
sitting
at
the
College
of
Santa
Fe,
where
my
mom
was
working
there
and
thinking
wow,
there's
a
lot
of
empty
land
here
and
a
lot
of
opportunity
as
well
so
shortly
you
know
after
unfortunately,
the
College
closed
and
we've
had
lots
of
different
opportunities
that
we've
tried
and
now
it's
an
opportunity
to
Envision
something
bigger.
L
So
the
link
was
established
in
2016
and
helped
to
set
the
stage
for
what
we're
doing
this
evening.
The
link
also
covers
a
larger
area
than
just
this
particular
case
in
2017.
The
governing
body
asked
us
to
pursue
discussion
with
educational
users,
also
pursue
expansion
of
the
existing
film
facilities
and
programs,
including
post-production
and
sound
Studios,
to
develop
a
Workforce
housing
and
to
find
an
Adaptive
reuse
for
the
pogelson
library,
as
well
as
create
a
master
plan
for
the
campus.
L
So,
following
those
marching
orders
in
2018,
the
team
was
able
to
come
back
to
the
governing
body
and
the
Planning
Commission.
To
present
the
planning
guidelines
that
were
developed
by
the
community
and
those
guidelines
have
a
lot
of
detail,
but
the
engagement
process
also
included
a
design
charette,
and
this
is
a
picture
of
one
of
the
designs.
L
But
the
the
idea
for
redevelopment
of
a
site
was
something
that
the
community
really
got
around
and
embraced,
and
I
think
that
the
engagement
process
was
especially
helpful
to
people
to
be
able
to
Envision
what
the
possibilities
would
be.
And
then
this
year
earlier
this
year,
the
governing
body
directed
City
staff
to
develop
a
community
development
plan
and
to
complete
the
entitlement
process
relative
to
a
master
plan,
and
then
zoning
in
the
general
plan
Amendment,
as
well
as
the
link
text
Amendment.
L
So
this
is
an
aerial
to
orient
you
to
the
overall
site,
so
you
can
see
sort
of
the
Ring
Road
that
is
there.
The
entire
property
is
not
encompassed
within
the
Ring
Road
there's
some
properties
that
are
not
included
and
there's
some
properties
that
are
outside
of
that
road,
but
that's
just
sort
of
a
general
orientation
of
the
property.
L
The
Art
Institute
is
here
over
on
the
North
West
corner
of
the
property
and
then
the
shallow
burger
just
to
orient
you,
the
shallow
Burger
Tennis
Center
here,
is
on
the
the
South
West
corner
of
their
property.
Around
the
site
includes
Milagro
school,
which
is
across
the
Arroyo
on
the
east
side
of
campus
and
Yano
Street
as
well,
and
then
to
the
West.
There
are
State
facilities
and
state-owned
properties,
of
which
some
of
them
will
be
a
topic
of
next.
L
The
next
hearing,
navaje
school,
as
well
as
the
Franklin
miles
Park,
are
also
in
an
approximate
area,
so
the
current
future
land
use
is
public
institution
which
falls
in
line
with
the
educational
use.
That
was
part
of
the
College
of
Santa
Fe
for
a
long
time
and
previous
to
that
it
was
Bruins,
Army
hospital
as
well,
so
the
Christian
Brothers
acquired
the
property
from
the
Federal
Government
after
World
War
II
and
solar
redeveloped,
the
site
to
the
College
of
Santa
Fe.
Some
of
that
land,
though
that
went
from
brune's
army.
L
L
The
proposed
future
land
use
is
Transitional
mixed
use,
the
intent
of
transitional
Massachusetts
to
allow
for
a
variety
of
uses,
and
that
includes
creative
infill
and
development.
It
permits
office,
commercial
and
residential
development,
sometimes
within
the
same
building,
and
it
pretty
much
affordable.
Housing
and
economic
development
through
flexible
land
uses
and
you'll
see
that
the
master
plan
implements
some
of
that
and
it
also
Fosters
alternate
Transportation
options.
So
if
somebody
is
able
to
work
at
a
film
studio
and
then
lives
really
close,
that
you
can
walk
to
work,
that's
a
good
opportunity.
Also.
L
L
So
the
proposed
zoning
is
to
see
two
planned
unit
development,
so
General
commercial
allows
for
a
variety
of
commercial
uses
and
residential
as
well,
but
it
doesn't
contemplate
exactly
the
types
of
uses
that
are
being
proposed
for
the
Midtown
campus.
So
that
is
the
reason
that
the
master
plan
will
be
the
implementing
document
for
the
planned
unit
development.
So
the
master
plan
accompanies
the
zoning
and
will
function
like
its
own
districts.
L
So
for
this
type
of
plan
unit
development,
District,
the
purpose
and
the
intent
as
set
forth
in
the
zoning
code,
is
to
allow
the
creation
of
planned
districts
each
conceived
as
a
unit
of
cohesive
developments
and
integrated
uses
in
either
single
development
operation
or
a
planned
series
of
development
operations
that
may
take
place
over
a
period
of
several
several
years
and
with
this
master
plan,
we
need
to
remember
that
this
these
changes
are
not
going
to
happen
tomorrow.
L
This
master
plan
envisions
or
is
anticipating
to
set
the
stage
for
development,
5
10
15
years
down
the
road.
So
not
everything
is
going
to
happen
tomorrow,
but
it
does
set
the
stage
for
something
to
happen.
So
you
can
see
the
original
master
plan
for
the
site.
This
is
an
old
picture
of
the
Bruins
Army
hospital
that
was
built
during
World
War
II
and
had
a
fairly
large
role
in
the
development
of
the
city
at
that
time,
because
over
1
000
people
were
employed
associated
with
that
hospital.
L
So
the
vision
of
a
master
plan
is
to
identify
strategies
to
create
a
sustainable,
walk
and
walkable
Community,
provide
employment
opportunities,
improved
Mobility
options
and
provide
access
to
Recreation
public
spaces
and
cultural
venues
and
the
components
of
the
master
plan.
I'll.
Let
the
applicant
speak
to
this
more,
but
the
components
include
things
like
Street
sections,
and
you
know,
including
things
that
really
are
important
to
sustainable
development,
and
that
is
the
storm
water
runoff
that
you
may
have
seen
in
the
master
plan
document.
There's
a
lot
of
thought.
L
The
master
plan
also
lays
out
building
Footprints
and
the
way
the
blocks
are
organized
and
also
building
form,
and
so
there
are
pieces
of
the
master
plan
that
layouts
Open
Spaces
Applause
is
planned
also
in
Midtown
to
provide
sort
of
the
same
functions
or
similar
functions
that
as
what
we
might
find
here
in
the
the
plaza
here
in
the
center
of
town,
and
that
Plaza
will
be
roughly
the
size
of
this
Plaza
as
well
just
for
a
sense
of
scale.
L
With
reference
to
the
Midtown
local
Innovation
Corridor,
you
can
see
the
the
site
itself
is
outlined
in
white
and
you
can
see
the
Midtown
local
local,
Innovation
Corridor
goes
from
St
Michael's
I'm,
sorry
from
Saint
Francis
to
Cerrillos
Road
along
the
St
Michael's
corridor.
L
In
order
to
accommodate
for
the
master
plan,
we
tried
to
think
of
everything
back
when
the
link
overlay
was
developed,
but
we
couldn't
quite
quite
get
it
all.
So
there
are
a
couple
very
minor
changes
that
needed
to
to
be
made,
so
we
need
to
update
the
name
of
the
of
this
particular
area
from
the
Santa
Fe
University
of
Art
and
Design
to
the
Midtown
plan
unit
development.
L
The
there
was
a
clarification
needed
on
the
table
for
qualifying
projects
right.
There
were
x's
on
the
table
and
just
to
be
consistent
with
the
overall
chapter
14
and
how
we
illustrate
permitted
uses
not
permitted
use,
uses.
We
put
the
P
so
that
it
is
consistent
and
easy
easy
to
understand
as
well.
There
are
clarifications
on
the
amount
and
distribution
of
open
space
and
landscape
design
standards,
as
I
showed
you
in
the
past
couple
of
slides,
there's
some
very
unique
circumstances
that
really
weren't
contemplated
in
chapter
14.
L
It
is
a
living
document,
but
it
was
adopted
a
long
time
ago,
so
storm
water
drainage
and
the
Innovative
techniques
that
are
being
used
for
that
who
aren't
interested
in
chapter
14.
and
to
expand
the
permitted
uses
in
the
Midtown
Lynch
overlay
District
to
include
all
qualifying
projects.
So
this
was
also
a
clarification,
really
an
error
that
was
made
previously,
that
that
it
was
an
ant
and
not
an
ore,
so
that
both
tables
could
be
considered
as
part
of
those
qualifying
projects.
So
it
really
aims
to
to
correct
an
error.
L
So
the
criteria
for
a
general
plan
amendment
is
that
it's
consistent
with
growth
projections
and
economic
development
goals
consistent
with
other
parts
of
the
general
plan,
is
coordinated
and
harmonious
development
and
is
not
inconsistent
with
a
prevailing
use
and
character
of
the
area.
The
Guiding
policies
that
are
implemented
within
the
general
plan
are
mixed
abuses,
the
affordable
housing
policies,
connectivity,
human
scale
and
form
through
that
form-based
approach
in
the
master
plan
and
a
pedestrian-oriented
neighborhood
center,
as
it
will
be
somewhat
the
heartbeat
of
our
community
with
reference
to
the
rezoning.
L
The
criteria
for
approval
is
that
there's
a
change
in
the
surrounding
area
and,
of
course,
the
loss
of
a
major
Educational
Institute
Institution
is
changed,
is
a
different
zoning
category
is
more
advantageous
to
Foster.
Redevelopment
is
consistent
with
applicable
General
plan
policies
which
we
just
went
over,
and
existing
and
plant
infrastructure
improvements
accommodate
for
future
development
on
the
site,
and
then
the
approval
criteria
for
a
master
plan
is
that
it's
consistent
with
the
general
plan
is
consistent
with
the
purpose
intent
of
the
underlying
zoning
District,
which
is
C2
PUD.
L
So
having
that
concludes
my
presentation,
but
I
do
want
to
share
with
you
one
condition
that
planning
staff
that
was
important
to
acknowledge.
We
have
been
collaborating
with
our
Community
Partners
and
we
were
made
aware
of
a
concern
and
so
one
of
the
conditions
of
approval,
and
we
have
been
working
with
the
applicant
team
to
to
update
the
plan
and
they
have
been
doing
Monumental
work
to
change
the
plan.
In
response
to
this
this
comments,
or
these
concerns
the
condition
that
planning
is
putting
on
this.
L
In
addition
to
the
other
technical
aspects,
is
that
any
text
or
Graphics
included
the
Midtown
master
plan
proposal
and
Associated
case
documents,
referencing
the
proposed
desired
or
long-range
improvements
that
include
or
illustrate
circulation,
connecting
networks
or
other
planning,
Concepts
and
features
on
the
properties
external
to
the
Mattel
master.
Planned
area
shall
not
be
considered
as
part
of
any
recommendation
or
final
action
related
to
the
master
plan,
so
what
we
as
staff
will
be
doing.
L
If
it
is
the
pleasure
of
the
commission
to
approve
this
project,
is
we
will
be
making
sure
that
this
condition
and
other
technical
conditions
related
to
civil
engineering,
traffic
and
so
on?
Those
things
will
be
addressed
before,
even
if
possible,
the
governing
body,
but
before
final
recordation
of
the
master
plan.
L
I
just
want
you
to
be
aware
of
the
folks
that
are
here
to
answer
questions.
So
we
have
Regina
wheeler
our
director
of
Public
Works
that
can
help
you
with
traffic
and
other
engineering
questions,
Dave,
I'm,
sorry,
I
always
messed
up
her
name
Ben,
Gessner
and
she's.
Our
technical
review
and
civil
engineering
lead
Stan
Holland.
Some
of
these
folks
are
on
on
Zoom
Stan
Holland
is
with
Wastewater
our
Wastewater
team.
Zoe
Isaacson
is
our
acting
River
and
Watershed
manager
and
we'll
be
representing
Parks.
Geronimo
griego
is
with
our
fire.
L
B
G
Commissioner,
Claudius
Our
intention
was
that
there
would
be
two
presentations,
public
comments
and
votes,
so
the
votes
would
would
also
come
later,
so
these
four
cases
would
be
heard
in
their
entirety,
including
a
vote,
and
then
the
other
two
cases
would
have
their
own
public
comment
and
their
own
vote
and
the
reason
for
that.
It's
a
lot
of
it's
a
lot
of
cases
and
it
was
and
the
other.
These
four
are
related
to
the
the
planned
unit.
G
G
G
M
B
B
Can
we
just
have
one
clarification?
Sorry,
so
it's
a
little
I
think
clearer.
So
when
you
said
that
the
that
the
the
maps
and
stuff
are
for
illustration
purposes
and
not
for
purposes
of
inclusion
into
the
master
plan,
are
you
I
guess
who
you're
addressing
the
concern
of
the
Neighbors
in
the
commercial
areas
that
were
concerned
about
some
of
the
maps
previously
showed
that
there
was
roads
going
through
their
property?
Is
that
correct?
Yes,.
B
L
L
N
M
G
C
C
N
Thank
you,
Madam
chair.
This
is
my
first
time
up
here
as
an
applicant,
so
I'm
not
accustomed
to
swearing
in
and
stating
my
name.
My
name
is
Lee
logsdon
I've
been
with
the
city
of
Santa
Fe
five
years
in
current
planning.
Most
of
my
time,
I
am
with
economic
development
now
and
have
been
part
of
the
applicant
team
here
for
the
Midtown
effort.
We
would
like
to
start
off
our
time
here
with
a
short
film.
It's
just
a
couple
of
minutes.
N
It
was
made
by
little
Globe
at
the
block
party
that
we
held
at
the
campus
last
October.
N
O
P
Q
To
build
comfortable.
W
X
O
Forever,
it's
just
bad
to
me
because
a
lot
of
the
people
I
went
to
high
school
with
they
can't
afford
to
live
here
anymore,
probably
just
a
matter
of
time,
then
I
won't
be
able
to
afford
to
live
here
anymore.
You
know,
and
a
lot
of
us
locals
who
were
born
and
raised
here.
We
just
can't
afford
it
anymore.
It's
too
expensive
over.
V
The
years
it
got
more
expensive
and
then
we're
forced
to
like
basically
move
out
of
section,
eight
and
so
I'd,
probably
just
like
to
see
like
affordable.
Y
Communicate
with
one
another
be
able
to
be
creative
with
one
another,
be
able
to
dialogue
with
other
families
with
a
sense
of
self-determination,
a
willingness
to
like
be
uncomfortable,
and
in
that
space
of
learning
it
is
up
to
us
that
decides
our
future.
Z
Z
Z
We
were
directed
early
on
by
the
governing
body
to
begin
figuring
out
how
to
get
the
Redevelopment
process
moving
forward.
You
probably
know
that
the
office
of
Economic
Development
issued
a
solicitation
for
developers,
both
Master
developers,
as
just
as
well
as
partial
developers,
we
selected
a
master
developer
to
look
at
the
Redevelopment
of
the
entire
site,
but
we
found
them
right
before
cobit
hit
and
as
most
people
in
the
room
know
the
marketplace
completely
changed.
Z
They
were
calculating
and
evaluating
their
own
risks
and
desires
to
move
forward
and
they
pulled
out
so
it
left
the
city
with
a
bigger
question
about
how
might
the
City
continue
to
use
this
public
asset
in
honor
of
what
it's
always
been
used
at
as
a
Civic
space
and
previously
for
educational
uses?
So
through
the
office
of
Economic
Development,
a
series
of
tasks
were
actually
given
to
a
team
of
planners
to
work
with
communities
to
develop
a
plan
for
the
future
Redevelopment
of
Midtown.
Z
So
here
you
see
again
just
some
of
the
Departments
we
worked
with
within
the
city
departments
and
a
Consulting
team
I'm
the
principal
at
proyecto.
We
worked
with
a
Land,
Development
and
economics
team
Dina
Belzer
is
on
Zoom
with
us
tonight.
If
we
have
specific
questions
for
her
opticos,
they
did
the
land
planning
and
Urban
Design.
They
are
also
on
Zoom
tonight.
Stephen
Pellegrini
is
with
us
and
and
different
Engineers
from
Wilson
and
Company.
Z
Again,
these
were
the
technicians
as
we
gave
them
information
about
what
the
vision
and
future
goals
and
objectives
that
people
describe,
that
they
want
to
see
at
Midtown.
So
again
it
was
a
plan
that
was
created
with
and
for
people.
We
were
the
instruments
of
providing
the
technical
elements
to
actually
get
us
to
here
tonight.
After
so
many
years.
Z
One
of
the
things
that
we
learned
from
people
during
this
process
was
it
wasn't
only
the
physical
realities
of
what
could
be
built
on
the
land,
the
Land
Development
pieces,
master
plan
and
the
zoning,
but
the
policies
once
these
things
were
put
into
place,
yes,
residential
but
affordable,
to
whom
yes,
new
businesses,
but
jobs
for
whom
and
how
might
we
access
those
jobs?
Z
How
does
art
and
culture,
particularly
Community,
Arts
and
culture,
continue
to
play
a
role
and
is
visible
and
the
thing
that
attracts
people
to
Midtown?
So
these
were
big
questions
that
aren't
were
not
necessarily
completely
physical,
From,
A,
Land
Development
perspective,
but
more
policy
driven
so
Community
Development
plan.
A
draft
of
it
is
posted
on
the
Midtown
website.
Right
now,
I'll
give
you
more
information
later,
but
that
wasn't
an
accompanying
plan
to
the
plans
that
you
see
tonight
before
you,
the
Land
Development
plans,
the
master
plan,
the
zoning
and
the
overlay,
the
Amendments
Etc.
Z
These
are
the
technical
pieces
that
the
technical
team
helped
put
together.
They
fulfilled
the
vision
that
the
community
gave
to
us
over
the
years,
so
I'm
gonna,
walk
you
a
little
bit
in
this
presentation
of
the
inside,
of
the
master
plan
and
I'll
go
fairly
quickly
because
again,
it's
available
to
you-
you
most
likely
have
seen
it
before
tonight,
but
there
are
six
chapters
plus
an
appendix,
so
I'll
walk
quickly
through
the
the
plan.
Z
But
one
of
the
things
that
we
wanted
to
make
sure
is
that
once
it's
approved
I'm
hoping
for
approval
that
it's
not
dead
the
next
day,
meaning
it's
not
a
really
prescriptive
plan.
It
has
flexibility
built
into
it
so
that
it
can
respond
to
different
goals.
Public
policy
goals,
developer
objectives,
financing
availability
into
the
future.
So
again
we
want
it
as
flexible
as
possible
and
not
prescriptive.
So
it
is
a
form-based
plan.
Z
We'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that
as
well,
but
we
did
want
to
communicate
to
the
public
that
there
are
some
things
that
can
and
cannot
happen
there.
So,
therefore,
the
zoning
the
land
uses
where
some
of
these
particular
uses
can
actually
happen
on
the
site
and
the
environment
that
we
want
to
see
there
through
the
design
guidelines
this
process
started
long
ago,
and
we
we
believe
that
it
started
way
back
in
the
2012
to
2016
that
led
to
the
link
overlay.
Z
This
plan
is
built
and
enhances
the
build
the
link
overlay
onto
the
midnight
Midtown
site.
Again
there
was
several
plans
by
local
design
firms
submitted
Vision
plans
very
conceptual.
They
had
no
idea
about
existing
infrastructure
or
other
things
that
would
guide
decisions
about
the
Redevelopment
of
the
plan.
Those
culminated
in
the
Midtown
planning
guidelines,
those
also
guided
all
decisions
as
we
move
forward
into
2021-22.
Z
But
what
difference
the
difference
we
took
on
in
21
and
22?
Was
we
thought,
rather
than
government,
leading
the
engagement
effort?
We
wanted
to
work
with
local
community
organizations
that
had
constituents
that
we
don't
always
have
access
to.
So
we
provided
a
support
Saipan
to
support
their
efforts.
They
created
the
the
engagement
plan,
facilitated.
It
hosted
it
which
led
to
the
block
party
that
you
saw
today
and
it
culminated
in
a
report
that
also
informed
the
plan
that
you're
that
you
have
before
you
this
evening
as
well.
Z
So
the
plan
says
to
people.
Here's
where
we
we
heard
are
your
preferred
uses
other
possible
uses.
You
want
to
see
there
in
the
C2
zoning.
These
types
of
uses
are
our
priorities
as
well,
and
the
zoning
the
new
zoning
will
allow
that
they
knew
that
the
Senate
the
site
sits
in
the
dairy
of
Center
geographic
center
of
Santa
Fe.
So
again,
a
lot
of
the
discussion
was
it
sits
in
the
center,
but
it's
a
little
bit
of
an
island.
Z
So
how
might
it
want
it
set
a
precedent
for
the
way
that
we
see
Santa
Fe
redeveloping
in
the
future,
with
around
sustainability,
walkability
safety
for
pedestrians
and
bicycles,
healthy
buildings,
Etc,
and
as
that
idea
of
Center
also,
and
how
might
it
radiate
out
into
the
rest
of
the
city,
adjacent
properties
and
surrounding
neighborhoods?
Z
So
we
thought
of
this
whole
entire
planning
effort
as
part
of
creating
a
a
Midtown
District,
meaning
that
it's
not
only
the
Midtown
property
that
is
before
you
for
the
met
with
the
master
plan
tonight.
But
clearly,
as
you
saw
earlier,
it
sits
within
the
link
Corridor
itself.
Z
So
through
a
series
of
resolutions,
you
see
here
from
17
18
to
22..
We
were
clearly
directed
to
think
about
this
site
in
terms
of
the
way
that
it
connects
to
the
broader
neighborhood
and
adjacent
and
adjacent
a
broader
City
in
adjacent
neighborhoods
and
properties.
So
some
of
the
things
when
we
walk
through
the
door,
some
of
the
existing
conditions
that
were
just
tough,
that
we
knew
we
had
to
overcome
and
we
will
overcome
them
over
a
series
of
years.
We
heard
about
this
project
is
not
going
to
turn
around
tomorrow.
Z
It
will
happen
over
a
phased
period
of
Time
5
10
15
years,
but
it
does
have
poor
external
connections
it
had.
It
has
infrastructure,
much
of
it
needs
to
be
replaced
or
rebuilt
improved.
It
had
poor
storm
water
infrastructure.
We
heard
from
a
lot
of
adjacent
Neighbors
about
flood
problems
and
also
there
was
no
clear
block
pattern
or
development
Parcels
or
development
to
happen
there.
So
these
are
basic
terms
around
blight.
Z
The
way
that
you
want
to
see
a
site-
that's
not
really
developed,
can't
be
developed
tomorrow,
but
you
have
to
prepare
the
site
in
order
for
development
to
happen,
and
this
phase
this
moment
this
master
plan
is
that
first
part,
first
step
into
going
to
that
direction.
Some
of
the
opportunities
we
saw,
though,
is
there's
a
strong
commercial.
Z
Corridor
that
surrounds
us,
so
connecting
to
the
corridor
was
really
important,
both
for
hopefully
the
Json
Property
Owners,
as
a
new
Marketplace
happens
on
the
Midtown
property,
but
also
there's
schools,
commercial,
there's,
Transit,
that's
nearby,
and
how
might
we
begin
thinking
about
people
who
will
live
and
work
at
Midtown
to
access
some
of
those
by
creating
the
type
of
street
patterns
and
block
patterns
that
we
want
to
see
in
Santa
Fe
in
general,
the
other
one
was
just
making
sure
that
we
had
a
really
strong,
good,
clear,
open
space
Network
that
could
be
programmable
for
public
purposes.
Z
So
one
of
the
driving
forces
then
was
creating
the
street
patterns
and
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that
and
you
heard
a
little
bit
about
it
earlier,
but
that
they
accommodated
multimodal
Mobility.
So
we
know
today,
Santa
Fe
is
a
very
car
driven
City,
but
as
it
evolves,
how
might
design
patterns
Urban
Design
patterns
in
Midtown
began
to
inform
future
Road
patterns
that
are
safe
for
not
only
the
automobile
but
for
pedestrians
and
bicycles
as
well,
and
also
how
they
link
public
spaces
together
and
how
they
actually
participate.
Z
These
open
spaces
and
streets
participate
in
a
bigger
green
infrastructure
for
the
city
as
well.
So
again,
these
were
part
of
the
Urban
Design
vision,
so
we
thought
about
block
Dimensions
so
that
block
Dimensions
were
fairly
small
so
that
people
felt
like
they
could
go
from
block
and
block
turn
the
corner
and
go
and
do
different
things
throughout
the
district
itself.
Z
There's
different
patterns
for
storm
water,
integrated
into
the
whole
open
space
system,
meaning
both
streets
as
well
as
clear,
Parks,
Arroyos
Etc,
and
so,
if
you
look
at
the
master
plan,
you'll
see
different
systems
that
we
want
to
incorporate.
Z
As
we
move
forward
into
the
green
infrastructure
system,
there
are
different
types
of
Civic
and
open
spaces,
so
we
scatter
them
throughout
and
we
made
sure
that
the
design
of
streets
that
there
was
a
clear
design
of
streets
that
connected
them,
the
streets
are
green,
good
Street
patterns
with
trees,
comfort
that
create
comfort
for
the
pedestrian,
but
also
the
way
that
the
buildings
meet
the
street
so
that
there's
a
pedestrian
feeling
there's
something
of
Interest.
As
you
walk
down
the
streets,
the
plan
shows
the
urban
basic
scale
of
the
site.
Z
So
again,
this
is
a
both
an
East
West
and
a
north-south
section
of
the
site,
meaning
if
you're
cutting
right
through
the
site.
What
might
the
scale
of
it
look
like
so
on
the
top
one
you
see
in
the
center
of
the
plaza,
the
buildings
toward
the
center
of
the
site
are
higher
more
dense
and
they
begin
to
go
lower.
Z
As
they
go
to
the
edges
of
the
site
again
to
create
a
sense
of
Center,
a
sense
of
place
by
putting
both
mixed-use
residential
in
the
center
We've
thought
of
the
whole
again,
this
idea
about
flexibility
was
thinking
not
necessarily
about
architecture
only
but
about
the
forms
that
create
great
streets.
Z
And
so
we
thought
about
things
about
local
climate.
How
might
solar
orientation
of
buildings,
as
well
as
of
Street
patterns,
create
comp?
How
might
we,
let's
design,
create
comfort
for
pedestrians
down
the
street,
creating
Courtyards
and
small
plazas
at
at
street
corners,
but
also
requirements
as
part
of
residential
development,
so
that
we
create
a
much
stronger
green
pattern
that
for
that's,
both
aesthetically
pleasing,
but
also
that
participates
again
in
that
green
infrastructure
for
the
city?
So
again,
back
to
this
place-based
approach
a
form-based
code,
there
are
different
zones
within
the
Midtown
site.
Z
You
saw
them
a
bit
earlier
in
the
presentation,
but
these
are
the
zones
specifically
that
are
outlined
and
there's
specific
design
standards
for
each
of
these
zones,
so
not
only
the
public
spaces
but
but
the
building
types
that
are
along
certain
streets
and
we'll
go
into
that.
Just
just
a
little
bit
in
order
to
design
for
and
determine
the
level
of
infrastructure
that
was
needed,
we
needed
to
establish
maximum
capacity
for
the
development
of
the
site.
So
here
you
see
the
commercial
development
capacity
and
again
these
are
estimates.
Z
These
are
maximums,
they
could
go
lower,
but
most
likely
they
won't
go
higher
than
these
maximums
for
commercial
development.
The
same
thing
with
residential
development.
We
anticipate
that
there'll
be
anywhere
between
950
to
1100
units.
Maximums
again
it
may
be
somewhere
between
there,
but
the
the
minimum
Baseline
that
we
want
to
communicate
to
people
is
that
30
percent
of
whatever
number
it
is,
will
be
affordable
to
low
and
moderate
income
families
and
the
way
that
we
can
manage
and
control.
Z
That
is
because
the
city
owns
the
parcels
as
we
dispose
of
parcels,
we
can
write
into
rfps.
The
level
of
affordability
is
that
we
want
the
number
of
units
that
we
want,
so
that
we
can
ensure
the
public
that
we'll
achieve
that
30
Baseline
minimum
Baseline.
It
could
go
up
based
on
public
policy
and
governing
bodies
as
they
move
as
we
move
forward
in
time,
but
at
least
30
percent
of
the
units
will
be
affordable.
So
how
might
we
achieve
that?
Affordability,
one,
the
inclusionary
housing
zoning
program-
will
be
applied
at
Midtown.
Z
The
other
thing,
too,
is
we
wanted
to
ensure
that
the
the
rfps
as
a
city
releases
them
encourages
developers
to
look
at
diverse
tenures,
meaning
small
families,
large
families,
young
families,
old
families,
families
just
entering
into
the
workforce,
families
moving
out
of
the
workforce
so
that
there's
a
diverse
unit
type
that
attracts
a
broad
range
of
households.
Then.
Z
Finally,
the
link
between
economic
development
and
living
in
a
in
an
urban
area
we're
proposing
live
work
units
in
the
in
the
master
plan
as
well,
so
that
small
entrepreneurs
can
work
from
home
and
also
we
found
that
live
work
units
help
enliven
streets
because
of
oftentimes.
They
may
have
clients
that
may
come
to
visit
them,
so
it
encourages
more
life
on
the
street.
Z
A
lot
of
discussion,
and
you
see
the
list
of
things
that
the
planning
team
looked
at,
but
Universal
Design
the
guidelines
around
visibility,
meaning
someone
who
may
have
various
abilities
to
maneuver
through
space
active
design,
design
for
health
Health
Equity
framework.
These
all
these
different
programs
establish
different
guidelines
for
ensuring
a
healthy
environment
for
people
of
all
ages
and
abilities,
and
they
were
used
to
design
the
street
patterns.
Also
in
the
Midtown
plan,
I
highlight
Vision
on
this
connectivity
and
Mobility
Vision,
because
it
is
a
vision
again.
Z
Z
So
again
it's
Vision,
and
but
we
have
some
thoughts
about
ways
that
it
could
connect
and
we
want
to
continue
and
start
if
we
haven't
started
yet
working
with
property
owners
to
think
through
their
own
planning,
as
they
move
forward
with
any
Redevelopment
plans
they
may
have
and
taking
advantage
of
the
link
overlay.
Z
There's
different
types
of
Street
patterns
and
again
I'll
show
you
some
of
the
form-based
code
for
these
Street
patterns.
So
you
see
these
different
colors.
When
you
look
at
the
master
plan,
each
Street
pattern
represents
a
particular
design
industry,
so
here's
a
neighborhood
street
and
then
all
the
dimensions
and
and
design
patterns
that
are
required
for
that
neighborhood
Streeter.
In
the
in
the
plan.
Z
Again,
there's
form-based
codes
for
civic
spaces,
so
here's
the
plaza
it
doesn't
dictate
the
plaza,
but
it
talks
about
the
dimensions
of
the
plaza.
So
as
it
gets
implemented,
there's
a
size
pattern
that
we
want
to
see
that
is
similar
to
sizes
of
plazas,
that
people
see
and
experience
in
Northern,
New,
Mexico
and
here
in
Santa
Fe.
Z
Here's
a
form-based
code
for
a
Civic
space,
a
pub
a
pocket
park
so
that
in
the
plan,
there's
different
areas
throughout
that
have
green
spaces,
for
people
to
pause
rest
and
enjoy
the
outdoors
and
the
Midtown
site,
and
then
there's
form
based
codes
for
buildings.
So
again,
this
is
the
plaza
area.
Z
So
again
we
saw
we
want
to
see
stronger,
more
dense
buildings
around
the
plaza
to
create
a
sense
of
Center
to
create
a
wall
for
the
the
for
the
for
the
plaza
with
Portales
that
are
down
below
so
that
we
are
using
similar
Urban
Design
patterns
that
people
are
familiar
with
in
northern
northern
New
Mexico
and
then
a
neighborhood
Paseo.
So
here's
a
less
dense.
Here's
where
you
might
see
more
residential,
maybe
live
work,
condo
units
and
so
there's
specific
design
patterns
for
those
again
they
are
patterns,
they're
form
based.
Z
They
aren't
prescriptive,
so
it
allows
a
developer
to
work
within
a
framework
but
not
dictate
what
they
do
so
that
they
can
take
it
do
what
developers
do
best
figure
out
how
to
maximize
the
use
of
a
site.
Z
There's
a
strong
storm
water
infrastructure,
chapter
and
I
won't
go
into
it,
but
again
it's
available,
but
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
thought
about
open
space
streets,
plazas
Etc
as
part
of
a
storm
water
infrastructure,
so
that
it's
not
all
buried,
but
it's
part
of
the
experience
of
being
at
Midtown.
Z
Finally,
the
plan
ends
with
an
appendix
there's:
a
series
of
maps
in
there
that
just
begins
to
guide
people
into
how
different
areas
of
the
plant
Midtown
site
will
be
developed.
I'll
end
here.
This
has
this
website.
Midtown
District,
Santa
fe.org
website
has
been
up
for
a
couple
of
years
now,
there's
a
lot
of
information.
There's
a
tab,
progress
reports
that
rich
and
I
have
been
giving
to
the
governing
body
almost
monthly.
Z
B
Thank
you.
It's
a
very
thorough
document
for
sure
and
nicely
Illustrated.
So
right
now
what
I'll
do
is
open
this
up
to
the
commission
to
ask
any
clarifying
questions
that
they
might
have.
So
we
can
focus
in
on
the
issues
and
then
we'll
open
the
matter
up
for
a
public
comment.
So
do
any
Commissioners
have
any
questions,
commissioner
Lawrence.
H
Thank
you,
chair
Clow,
so
so
we're
not
talking
at
this
point
in
time
about
properties
that
are
off
of
the
Midtown
property,
but
I
do
think
that
we
need
to
potentially
have
a
little
more
explanation
of
the
connectivity
that
we
have.
I
know
that
there
is
a
transportation
master
plan
summary
in
our
materials.
I'm
curious.
If
there's
been
any
thought,
any
analysis
about
whether
those
existing
connections
are
sufficient
as
Midtown
gets
developed,
I'm
wondering
if
you
can
speak
to
that
a
little
bit,
please.
N
The
transportation
master
plan
looked
at
three
connections,
the
two
existing
ones
and
then
at
that
time
we
were
working
with
a
an
adjacent
property
owner
who
was
actually
quite
excited
about
the
idea
of
his
property,
interacting
with
Midtown,
and
that
would
be
over
towards
the
Santa
Fe
art
institute
end
of
things,
and
so
at
that
time
we
felt
like
we
had
a
pretty
solid
lead
on
an
outside
connection,
and
so
that
connection
actually
was
analyzed
as
part
of
the
traffic
management
plan,
but
it
moved
minimal
traffic
because
when
it
reaches
Cerrillos,
it's
right
in
right
out
it
had
a
very
small
percentage
of
the
traffic
and
so
basically
Wilson
our
Traffic
Engineers.
N
Just
you
know
said
the
amount
of
traffic
being
carried.
There
is
negligible
the
two
entrances
we
have
to
Midtown
off
of
almost
hit
Seiler,
soringo
and
St
Michael's
are
sufficient
to
handle,
build
out.
AA
Thank
you
chair.
According
to
a
letter
from
Santa
Fe
public
schools,
superintendent,
Larry
Chavez,
the
schools
were
not
consulted
in
regard
to
the
master
plan
development
and,
as
he
States
in
his
letter,
sfps
has
three
properties
adjacent
to
this
proposed
development
and
would
be
impacted.
Can
you
speak
to
the
efforts
being
made
to
consult
representatives
from
sfps
in
regard
to
this
plan?.
N
Thank
you,
commissioner,
and
members
of
the
commission
early
on
WE
reached
out
to
Santa
Fe
Public
Schools.
Of
course,
I
left
my
notebook
in
the
back
I
know
the
gentleman
is
in
the
house:
there's
a
facilities,
guy,
I,
believe
or
he's
with
construction
that
we
did
consult
with
a
long
time
ago
and
Josh
Joshua,
the
one
of
the
legal
councils
for
Santa
Fe,
Public
Schools
in
a
conversation
with
me
said.
N
Yes,
you
know
you
guys
had
some
initial
talks
with
him,
but
we
dropped
the
ball
since
we
will
admit
that
freely.
I
think
there's
more
discussion
to
be
had
here,
because
I
know
there
are
a
number
of
people
in
the
audience
that
want
to
talk
about
this
issue,
but
for
now
I
will
just
say
that
in
fact
the
Santa
Fe
Public
School
properties
are
not
affected
by
this
master
plan.
In
that
there
are
no
connections
that
are
planned
across
their
property.
N
We
have
conceptual
connections
that
we've
shown
through
a
number
of
places,
a
number
of
ways
to
connect
to
the
outside
they're,
intended
to
hopefully
provoke
a
larger
discussion
among
the
community
of
what
a
reimagined
Midtown
District
could
look
like.
They
are
not
necessary
for
the
master
plan
in
terms
of
what
it
proposes
internally.
They
are
not
necessary
to
make,
but
I
think
you
know.
One
thing
we
heard
loud
and
clear
through
the
public
process
is
that
you
wouldn't
even
know
midtown's
in
there.
N
So
the
Midtown
team
would
very
much
like
to
continue
dialogue,
initiate
dialogue
in
some
cases
with
outside
owners
and
make
some
of
these
connections
happen
because
I
think
over
20
30,
40
Years
everybody
stands
to
benefit,
but
I
will
repeat
that
I
know
there
are
a
lot
of
people
in
the
audience
who
are
concerned
because
of
these
connections
that
have
been
pictured
and
we've
made
a
Herculean
effort
over
the
last
week
to
remove
every
one
of
them.
N
We
could
find-
and
we
missed
a
few
and
that's
where
we're
at
tonight
at
some
point,
you've
done
your
best
to
comply.
We've
added
a
lot
of
language
to
the
Midtown
plan
that
we
feel
like
covers
the
spirit
of
what
it
is
they
want.
Is
that
hey?
We
intend
to
do
anything
like
that
in
concert
with
adjacent
Property
Owners,
so
Santa
Fe,
Public
Schools.
N
You
know
they're
affected
in
the
sense
that
yes,
there's
going
to
be
development
adjacent
to
them,
but
their
plan,
their
properties
are
not
part
of
this
Midtown
plan.
AA
I
would
argue
that
they
are
a
pretty
major
stakeholder,
though,
even
because
you
know
the
development
nearby
means
kids
going
to
the
nearby
schools.
Milagro
Nava,
so
I
would
argue
that
they
are
a
major
stakeholder,
and
that
should
be
a
part
of
this.
F
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
the
the
city
has
been
in
discussions
with
the
superintendent
and
Santa
Fe
Public
Schools
very
recently
on
this
issue
within
the
last
week
or
two.
F
They
were
with
the
Administration
and
senior
leadership.
I
wasn't
a
part
of
it,
but
we,
you
know
they
were
clarifying
conversations
about.
You
know
the
the
effect
or,
like
thereof
on
on
these.
B
F
No
I
don't
have
that
as
as
Mr
logsdon
noted
they.
You
know
they're
here
for
they're
here
to
speak
tonight.
Okay,.
Z
Just
we
met
as
recently
as
two
weeks
ago
on
a
Friday
afternoon,
and
we
met
with
their
attorneys
as
well.
Their
request
was
that
we
removed
the
dashed
lines.
The
conceptual
Pathways
which
we
did
and
also
we
wrote
throughout
the
document,
a
disclaimer
saying
that
there
was
no.
You
know
there
was
anything
that
illustrates
pathways
through
it
or
any
types
of
circulation
through
adjacent
Property.
Z
Owners
is
conceptual,
is
not
required,
but
we
believe
we
removed
most
of
them
by
now
anyways,
which
is
what
we
worked
a
lot
this
week
on
doing
so
that
was
the
resolution.
But
I
will
say,
though,
that
we
we
totally
agree
that
every
property
owner
that's
adjacent
to
the
property
is
really
important.
Z
We
anticipate
that
as
they
think
about
their
own
Redevelopment
plans,
take
advantage
of
the
link
overlay
and
the
market
that
we
think
that
the
city
is
actually
going
to
begin
triggering
by
stepping
into
the
Redevelopment
ring
with
Midtown
site
that
we
will
then
begin
talking
to
Jason
Property
Owners,
as
they
think
about
their
own
property.
Redevelopment.
K
You
thank
you,
madam
chair.
These.
These
series
of
questions
are
related
to
implementation.
Should
the
plan
eventually
become
adopted,
and
so
the
first
I'd
like
to
ask
would
be:
is
the
design
standards
and
that's
what
they
are
called
in?
The
plan
standards,
not
suggestions
or
guidelines,
are
the
design
standards
and
the
C2
PUD.
Subject.
Zoning
uses
binding
for
adoption
of
the
Midtown
link
text
amendment
is
that
how
they'll
be
implemented
so
that
they
they
are
not
rest.
G
Chair
Klaus,
if
I
could
answer
that.
Yes,
the
Pud,
the
planned
unit
development
is
adopted
by
an
ordinance
and
the
design
standards
are
part
of
that,
so
they
would
be
a
law
essentially
they're,
not
a
suggestion.
Thank.
K
You
my
follow-up
question
to
that
is
regarding
the
the
form-based
code
patterns,
as
they're
called.
How
will
the
designs
be
evaluated
for
compliance,
a
ranking,
a
waiting
system
points,
because
sometimes
systems
like
that
end
up
with
things
like
the
apartments
at
the
entrance
to
town
that
passed,
the
ranking
and
and
point
system,
but
most
people
would
agree,
aren't
the
Santa
Fe
style
and
referring
to
the
Cielo
or
whatever
it
is
out
near
the
outlet
mall?
How
will
how
will
this
be
ranked
and
evaluated
to
pass
monster.
L
Chair
Cloud,
commissioner
pava.
The
process
will
be
that
the
staff
will
take
a
look
at
the
project
and
there's
a
combination
of
you
know.
Different
criteria,
one
would
be
related
to
Santa
Fe
style,
that's
typically
contemplated
in
our
design
guidelines.
These
are
more
related
to
Midtown,
proper,
and
so
those
two
things
will
be
combined
together
when
staff
reviews
development
applications.
K
L
Chair
Cloud,
commissioner
pava,
the
staff
actually
makes
it
part
of
a
review
letter,
and
so,
when
an
applicant
comes
in
with
a
development
plan,
we
take
a
look
at
the
project
and
provide
feedback
to
to
the
applicant
as
to
whether
they've
met
the
standards
or
not.
And
what
needs
to
be
done.
K
Thank
you
for
clarifying
follow-up
question
which
actions
once
and
if
this
is
implemented
in
the
future,
which
actions
for
review
come
before
the
Planning
Commission
still
I
know
that
there's
a
language,
the
affected
staff
and
the
land
use
director
I.E
staff
would
would
do
certain
levels
of
review
so
which
ones
will
still
come
before
the
Planning
Commission.
L
Chair
Cloud,
commissioner
pava,
the
there
are
qualifying
projects
that
are
outlined
in
the
link
that
are
already
in
place,
and
it
just
depends
upon
the
type
of
projects
but,
for
instance,
a
multi-family
project
would
be
reviewed
by
staff
and
it
would
be
considered
an
administrative
review.
There
would
be
opportunities
and
I'm
sure
there
are
other
projects,
I'm,
not
thinking
about
right
now
that
the
Planning
Commission
would
hear.
L
But
there
are
also
opportunities
to
see
the
project
if
the
land
use
director's
decision
is
appealed
that,
in
those
cases
that
this
commission
would
hear
that
in
case,
there's
a
qualifying
frying
project.
That
staff
has
reviewed.
K
K
L
Chair
Clow,
commissioner
pava
it's.
This
is
something
that
definitely
needs
to
be
worked
out.
What
from
a
functional
operational
issue,
I
I
think
we're
going
to
develop
a
program
for
which
we
notify
people
of
the
application
so
that
they're,
aware
of
the
application,
as
you
know,
we're
going
to
be
updating
chapter
14,
there
are
a
lot
of
things
that
need
to
be
addressed
and
so
notification
of
the
community
of
applications
directing
them
towards
information
on
the
website
so
that
they
can
provide
feedback.
If
they
wish
is
one
process.
I
would
imagine
we'd
follow
here.
N
Commissioner,
pave
if
I
can
add
to
that
too,
at
a
basic
level,
you
know
so
a
skeptical
person
might
say
okay
well
what
if
that
process,
never
comes
to
be,
or
you
know
well,
what
do
we
have
now?
What
we
have
now
even
before
that
process
comes
to
be,
is
the
RFP
process.
So,
once
again,
the
city
owns
all
the
land
at
a
very
basic
level,
when
any
piece
of
land
is
considered.
For
you
know,
either
land
lease
or
sale
for
a
project.
N
Part
of
the
RFP
process
is
to
have
especially
for
residential
projects,
a
citizen
Advisory
board,
so
there
there
would
also
already
built
into
the
system.
Currently
there
is
that.
K
Right
this
isn't,
as
an
Advisory
Board
was
mentioned
in
the
plan
a
number
of
times
getting
a
little
bit
more
specific
I
know
we're
going
to
deal
with
the
the
exterior
the
surrounding
areas
in
a
bit,
but,
following
up
on
on
commissioner
lucero's
question
about
the
schools,
what
kind
of
contact
have
you
had
with
the
state?
I
haven't
seen
documentation,
one
way
or
another
support
or
against
the
proposal,
and
yet
the
state
lands.
Lots
of
them
are
included,
of
course,
for
the
general
planaman
and
the
rezoning.
K
N
Yeah
we
have
our
applicant
team
legal
counsel
in
the
back
Andrea
Salazar,
who
could
probably
speak
more
elegantly
to
this,
but
in
a
nutshell,
we
were
directed
in
resolution
2020
to
12
to
work
with
the
state
to
swap
land
adjacent
to
Midtown,
and
so
we
are
actively
doing
that
right
now
we
do
have
in
the
overall
application
packet
authorization
letter
from
I
believe
Anna
Silva
with
the
state,
and
that
is
basically
they
know
that
we're
pursuing
the
rezone
and
we
have
their
permission
once
again.
N
Those
properties
other
than
tract
O,
It's
called,
which
was
the
old
Barracks
site,
that's
actually
within
the
master
planned
area,
but
the
rest
of
the
state-owned
lands
are
not
actually
within
the
master
planned
area
they're
just
in
a
C2
rezone
area
that
we
propose
also
as
part
of
this.
K
That's
helpful
down
to
a
more
specific
topic:
I
noticed
that
there
are
a
lot
of
Legacy
Buildings
that
are
considered
anchors
and
and
instrumental
and
and
the
recreation
of
the
site.
What
about
the
theater,
formerly
known
as
the
screen.
Z
Excuse
me,
we
are
forming
a
a
request
for
proposals
for
developer
operators
for
the
expansion
of
the
Garson
Studio
film
lot,
and
it
will
include
the
the
existing
movie
theater
without
developing
too
much
about
the
RFP
we
we
did
put
in
there
that
we
want
to
see
Community
programming
and
access
to
that
theater
as
part
of
their
proposal.
They
may
want
to
use
it
as
a
screening
room,
but
we
also
said
that
we
want
to
have.
K
Z
K
My
queries
have
been
addressed
for
the
time
being.
Thank
you
all
very
much
for
your
time
and
effort,
and
just
one
final
question:
can
you
repeat
how,
in
the
last
four
years
or
so,
how
many
people
do
you
think
have
participated
in
this
process
and
how
many
meetings,
if
you
want
to
call
them
that
are
get-togethers
or
block
parties,
do
you
think
you've
had
for
this.
N
Bishopava
and
land
Commission,
I
couldn't
say
offhand.
I
saw
numbers
in
the
2018
planning
guidelines
that
talked
about
how
many
people
I
could
probably
after
public
comment
period.
I
could
probably
step
up
here
and
give
you
a
better
number,
but
you
know
in
the
I
believe
that
I
can
just
tell
you
that
at
the
block
party
we
did
last
October.
We
had
a
thousand
people
and
the
the
2018
Midtown
planning
concept,
phase
and
so
forth.
The
number
that
sticks
in
my
head,
you
could
probably
bring
it
up
on
a
slide.
N
Is
you
know,
once
again,
several
thousand
with
like
700
800
plus
participating
very
actively
throughout
their
process?
I
can
certainly
come
up
with
a
better
number
for
you,
but
I
know
that
some
of
our
Midtown
engagement,
Partners,
like
Earth
care
and
you
went
into
the
schools
and
talked
to
school
children.
I
mean
there
were
literally
literally
I
would
say
in
this
round.
N
Thousands
and
one
of
the
things
we
are
particularly
proud
of
with
our
effort
over
the
last
year
to
is
our
work
with
our
Midtown
engagement
partners
and
I
can
never
name
them
all
when
I
try,
but
once
again
it's
local
nonprofits,
Community
groups.
They
really
got
the
word
about
Midtown
out
there
to
populations
that
are
not
necessarily
normally
heard
from
in
major
land
use.
Decisions
like
this
either
be.
N
You
know,
on
a
basic
level,
sometimes
because
they
don't
speak
English
on
another
level,
because
they're
working
two
jobs
and
they
can't
make
it
to
public
hearings.
You
know,
and
so
we
made
a
real
effort
to
get
out
to
the
people
and
we
could
have
never
done
it
without
our
engagement
partners
and
we
are
very
grateful
to
them
for
this
effort
and
we
feel
like
we've
done
the
best
we
possibly
can
here.
K
Thank
you,
Mr
Larson,
I
I,
just
have
to
say
in
my
nearly
40
Years
of
planning
in
a
variety
of
locations,
I've
rarely
seen
a
process
as
comprehensive,
trance
and
possibly
transformative,
but
certainly
inclusionary
as
this.
Oh
thank
you,
madam
chair.
B
Thank
you
and
I
agree.
I
mean
it's
really.
The
the
plan
is
really
really
impressive.
I
was
pretty
much
blown
away
when
I
started
looking
at
it
in
terms
of
how
detailed
it
is,
how
thorough
it
is
and
how
thoughtful
and
how
much
community
community
input
there
was.
You
know
it's
four
years
of
a
lot
of
hard
work.
F
You,
madam
chair
commissioner
Baba
I,
would
just
like
to
add
regarding
your
question
on
public
notice
and
public
engagement
for
administratively
approved,
qualifying
projects
and
en
is
required
prior
to
approval
for
those.
K
M
B
Any
other
questions
from
the
commission
before
we
open
this
up
to
public
comment.
Okay,
so
we'll
begin
public
comment
and
we'll
first
start
with
public
comment:
the
people
that
are
physically
present
and
then
we'll
move
when
that
is
complete,
we'll
move
to
comment
from
people
who
are
on
Zoom,
so
Miss
Moore.
Do
you
wanna
sort
of
organize
how
you
want
to
set
this
up?
So
it's
efficient.
R
Yeah,
chair
Cloud
members
of
the
commission,
thank
you.
I
did
have
a
sign
up
sheet
in
the
back,
so
I
know
some
individuals
took
advantage
of
that
and
then,
if
other
individuals
did
not
sign
up
and
they'd
like
to
sign
up
now,
so
you
don't
have
to
stand
in
line.
Please
do
so
and
then
we'll
call
up
names
and
swear
everyone
in
and
if
anyone
would
like
to
seed
time
to
go
beyond
the
two
minutes
allotted
per
person,
individuals
need
to
be
in
the
room
or
on
Zoom
identified
as
well.
You.
M
C
Okay,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
swear
in
Derek
Michael
Higgins,
the
Odoms
is
there
two
yeah,
you
okay
and
then
hope:
read
Steve
Council,
Jason,
Espinosa,
Gabe
Romero
for
now
those
those
ones
for
now,
and
then
the
next
group
I'll
swear
in
okay.
C
So
if
I
just
called
your
name,
please
raise
your
right
hands.
Do
you
swear
under
the
penalty
of
perjury
that
the
testimonies
you're
about
to
give
are
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth.
Thank
you.
When
you
step
to
the
podium,
please
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
Thank
you.
AB
R
And
then
we
have
Sherry
Odom.
U
The
I
saw
the
letter
today
from
the
superintendent
of
public
schools
and
I
I
didn't
realize
that
I
taught
there
for
32
years
on
the
campus
I
didn't
realize
that
there
was
school
property
I'm,
assuming
it's
along
siringo
there
that
back
area,
but
it
would
be
nice
to
have
that
on
the
map.
So
we
can
Orient
ourselves
to
where
the
public
school
property
actually
is
as
we
move
forward.
U
If
there's
a
way
to
do
that,
I
heard
a
comment
about
how
you
want
this
project
to
be
as
sustainable
as
possible
and
when
I
read
The
Proposal
I
noticed
that
pnm
is
supposed
to
be
taking
care
of
all
the
electricity.
U
That
campus
was
built
in,
what's
referred
to
as
mid-century,
which
is
everything
has
a
flat
roof.
I
have
a
flat
roof
and
I
have
solar
on
my
flat
roof.
So
I'm
wondering
if
there's
a
reason
why,
in
terms
of
sustainability,
all
of
those
flat
roofs
can't
be
used
for
solar.
U
Just
a
thought.
For
example,
I
was
I
was
in
the
theater.
Our
electric
bill
was
25.
30
000
a
month
would
have
thought
that
whole
top
of
the
theater,
which
is
flat,
was
solar
panels.
Just
saying,
and
all
you
have
all
of
that
space
so
that
and
finally,
these
Midtown
engagement,
Partners
I,
know
these
organizations
and
I
know
most
of
the
people
who
run
them.
I
know
that
they
did
a
an
extensive
report.
U
Working
with
UNM
School
of
Architecture
and
I
have
been
given
that
report,
because
I've
been
told
it's
public
information
and
yet
I
don't
see
it
anywhere
I'm
curious
about
what
happened
to
that
report
and
why
it's
not
on
the
Midtown
Midtown
web
page,
so
I'm
just
putting
that
out
there
and
that
those
groups
were
chain
breaker
little
Globe,
youth,
Works,
Santa,
Fe,
art
institute,
Jamie,
Blosser,
earthcare,
working
with
the
UNM
School
of
Architecture.
U
AD
Good
evening,
Commissioners,
chairperson
I'm,
representing
Santa
Fe
Public
Schools
this
evening
and
I,
wanted
to
just
thank
the
the
commission
for
making
the
Amendments
that
they
have
to
the
to
the
plans
and
also
for
the
applicant
for
making
those
adjustments
to
the
plan
so
that
there
was
no
misconceptions
about
what
had
occurred.
So
I
just
want
to
give
my
thanks
for
that
and
very
much
appreciated.
Thank
you.
C
AE
AE
All
of
us,
I
have
to
say
something
positive
before
I
say
this
part,
which
is
the
project,
is
amazing.
It's
quite
a
dream.
Now
I
say
my
little
piece.
All
of
us.
Small
businesses
are
just
getting
back
on
our
feet
after
covid.
Now
this
proposed
Road
through
our
shopping
center
is
another
gut
punch
for
us.
AE
You
stated
in
your
proposal
which
I
read
before
you
took
it
down
that
you
wanted
to
work
synergistically
your
word
with
local
business
and
not
affect
us
negatively
by
knocking
out
a
Santa
Fe
bite,
Amanda's
flowers,
Linda's,
Nails
and
Carl's
Jr.
You
heard
all
of
us
small
businesses,
so
that's
my
two
cents
about
the
roads
that
are
going
to
come
through
our
Shopping
Center.
Thank
you.
C
Okay,
so
Matthew
O'reilly
Elena.
A
C
You're
going
to
seize
your
time:
okay,
Forest,
Thomas,
okay,
you're
gonna,
see
your
time.
You're
gonna
come
yeah.
If
I'm
calling
your
name,
please
come
up
here
and
I
will
swear
you
in.
C
AB
C
And
Mary
I
will
swear
you
in
as
well.
Mary
shrubin,
okay,
I
swear
under
the
penalty
of
perjury
that
the
testimonies
you're
about
to
give
are
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth.
Thank
you.
Please
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
if
somebody
did
give
you
their
time,
please
State
their
name
as
well.
Thank
you.
AF
Good
evening
chairwoman
and
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
Forrest
Thomas
I'm,
with
Thomas
properties.
I
have
had
numerous
people
seed
their
time
to
me.
There
are
also.
AF
Yes,
for
the
record,
thank
you.
So
my
address
is
340
East,
Burger
Street
and
then
I
own,
the
St
Michael's
Village
West
Shopping
Center
between
the
campus
subject,
property
and
St
Michael's
Drive,
there's
five
people
on
Zoom.
That
would
be
seeding
their
time
to
me.
Brandon
excuse
me:
Frank
Vandiver
and
Marty
Vandiver,
Trixie,
budmeyer
and
Barbara
and
Daniel
Bryant
foreign.
AF
So
I
am
here
to
speak
on
behalf
of
several
Property
Owners,
obviously
along
St
Michael's
Drive
in
Cerrillos
Road.
We
do
greatly
appreciate
the
efforts
that
the
applicant
has
made
to
make
accommodations
to
the
plan,
but
we
do
not
find
them
to
be
sufficient.
So.
AF
AF
My
company
was
selected
as
one
of
the
top
three
Master
developer
teams
to
redevelop
the
campus
and
in
that
process
the
guidelines
were
required
that
we
worked
with
surrounding
Property
Owners
during
the
planning
and
development
process
on
the
campus.
The
city
and
its
Consultants
did
not
even
speak
with
us
in
the
neighboring
Property
Owners
about
the
inclusion
of
our
properties
with
the
Midtown
campus
development
plan
and
the
roads
through
our
properties.
We
found
out
about
this
during
the
en
process,
which
was
very
brief.
AF
The
city's
own
consultants
and
Traffic
Engineers
previously
during
this
presentation
did
indicate
that
these
roadways
were
not
needed
and
that
there
is
sufficient
Road
access
within
the
plan.
So
clearly,
the
applicant
is
not
following
the
expectations
and
requirements
which
would
be
placed
on
a
private
party.
This
causes
them
to
be
acting
as
agent
for
us
and
our
Properties
by
including
them
and
designated
roads,
whether
they
be
through
arrows
that
only
show
on
their
portion
of
land,
but
they
are
clearly
pointing
through
our
properties.
AF
This
is
done
without
the
owner's
consent
and
actually
is
directly
in
contradiction
to
our
desires.
I
have
some
images,
it's
I'm
sure
polite
hard
to
see
from
this
distance,
but
this
one
shows
one
of
those
roads.
I
think
that
the
conceptual
lines
don't
really
give
any
clear
indication,
but
this
one
is
directly
through
half
of
the
New
Mexico,
Bank
and
Trust
building.
AF
This
one
is
in
between
Smith's
and
college
Plaza
South
and
would
create
a
roadway
of
trees
blocking
the
visibility
of
the
Smith's
Food
Market,
this
other
one.
We
are
not
in
flying
to
any
representation
of
college
Plaza
South,
but
I
think
that
they
were
unaware
that
a
94-foot
right-of-way,
which,
by
the
way
is
only
six
feet
narrower
than
St
Michael's
drive
from
Curb
to
curb,
runs
through
40
percent
of
their
buildings.
AF
AF
So
I'd
like
to
really
point
out
that
this
this
situation
is
really
a
very
significant
challenge
for
us.
The
the
the
city
has
specific
policies
in
the
link
overlay
to
incentivize
development
of
St,
Michael's
drive
and
serious
roads
all
the
way
up
to
Camino
Carlos
Ray.
This
plan
will
disincentivize
me,
particularly
in
the
other
shopping
center
owners
from
redeveloping,
because
they
and
I
would
be
required
to
not
only
have
less
land
to
develop
and
create
leasable
space.
AF
We
would
also
have
to
pay
to
put
in
this
prescriptive
road
that
is
clearly
Illustrated
with
specifications
as
part
of
the
plan,
so
that
will
totally
disincentivize
And
Delay
development
of
St
Michael's
Drive
in
Cerrillos
Road
and
within
the
link.
Even
if
I
don't
develop,
my
property
I
have
a
mortgage
on
this
property
as
most
Property
Owners
do
of
this
type.
AF
This
will
prevent
me
from
being
able
to
maintain
financing
at
the
levels
that
would
be
typical.
An
appraisal
will
be
necessary
at
the
time
of
a
refinance
and
an
appraiser
will
see
a
94-foot
right-of-way
right
through
the
middle
of
the
property
and
impair
the
value
of
that
property
significantly.
So
if
a
property
were
to
burn
down,
it
can't
be
rebuilt,
other
tenants
aren't
going
to
lease
these
spaces
because
they're
in
the
path
that
will
not
allow
them
to
stay.
AF
So
this
will
affect
all
of
us
as
commercial
property
owners
and
I
request
that
you
delay
this
process
until
it
is
sorted
out
with
the
city
and
give
them
time
to
actually
reach
out
and
contact
us
which
they
have
not
done,
or
we
would
be
happy
to
stand
in
support
of
this
if
they
will
adopt.
If
you
would
adopt
conditions
which
Matthew
O'reilly
will
explain
in
detail.
Thank
you.
AG
Eight
minutes
eight
minutes
more
than
enough.
Thank
you.
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission.
It
was
good
to
hear
you.
AG
My
apologies
Matthew
O'reilly
340
East
Berger,
Street,
Santa,
Fe,
Madam,
chair
members
of
the
commission
good
evening,
hi
to
those
of
you
that
I've
met
before
and
good
to
meet.
Some
of
you
just
now
again,
I
I,
won't
repeat
the
things
that
that
Forest
Thomas
has
brought
up
by
the
way.
I
am
the
vice
president
of
Thomas
property,
so
I
work
with
with
Mr
Thomas
before
I
get
started.
I
just
wanted
to
very
briefly.
For
those
of
you
who
don't
know
me.
AG
Tell
you
very
briefly
a
little
bit
about
me
so
you'll
understand
where
my
comments
are
coming
from
the
perspective
of
my
comments.
AG
I
am
the
former
land
use
director
of
the
city
of
Santa,
Fe
I
am
the
former
chair
of
this
Planning
Commission
I
am
also
the
former
director
of
asset
development
for
the
City
of
Santa
Fe,
which
was
in
charge
of
all
the
city's
real
estate,
including
the
Midtown
campus,
and
for
a
couple
of
decades,
I
ran
a
planning
and
Engineering
consulting
firm
I'm,
also
a
licensed
civil
and
structural
engineer
and
did
several
hundred
Land
Development
plans
all
over
the
city
of
Santa,
Fe
and
other
parts
of
New
Mexico.
AG
So
my
perspective
on
this
is
really
coming
from
three
different
angles.
It's
as
an
applicant
and
understanding.
What's
required,
it's
from
a
bureaucrat
I'm,
sorry
to
call
you
a
bearcat
Jason,
my
condolences
by
the
way
as
taking
on
the
job
as
the
land
use
director
and
also
as
the
chair
of
the
Planning
Commission.
Some
condolences
are
required
there
as
well
chair
Clow.
AG
AG
Some
of
those
changes
have
been
made,
some
have
not,
and
so
what
we'd
like
to
say
tonight
is
thank
you
mostly
to
the
land
use,
staff,
Jason
and
his
staff
for
making
sure
those
changes
got
made
in
the
applicant's
submittal.
AG
But
there
is
still
a
real
problem
with
this
plan
and
but
I
want
you
to
know
that
there's
a
solution,
there's
a
fix
to
this
problem.
The
problem
is
that,
although
most
of
the
connections
through
other
properties,
adjacent
private
properties
have
been
removed,
not
all
of
them
have
which
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
the
applicants
acknowledge
tonight,
but
there
are
other
things
other
than
graphical
representations.
There
are
notes
and
other
references
to
these
external
connections
that
frankly,
be
lie.
AG
The
fact
that
these
things
are
intended
to
be
conceptual,
in
fact,
on
one
page
of
this
plan.
It
states
that
the
roads
that
are
shown,
including
the
roads
on
other
properties
and
the
stub
outs
to
the
back
of
these
commercial
properties,
our
properties
and
the
ones
on
Cerrillos
Road
quote,
will
be
built
in
the
location
specified
in
the
plant.
AG
I
believe
that
the
one
of
the
staff
members
said
this
master
plan
will
become
law
and
they
can't
do
that
and
be
conceptual.
So
here's
the
solution
tonight.
AG
We've
prepared
a
list
that
goes
Page
by
Page,
identifying
those
pages
in
the
master
plan
where
the
staff
and
the
applicant
missed
some
of
these
connections.
So
we've
detailed
it
all
out,
so
they
don't
even
have
to
look
very
hard
to
find
it.
But
we've
also
identified
some
of
the
text
changes
that
we'd
like
to
see
made
if
the
Planning
Commission
tonight,
in
your
wisdom,
decides
to
advance
this
and
recommend
approval
of
this
master
plan
to
the
governing
body
with
any
conditions.
AG
So.
Having
said
that,
thank
you
for
your
time
and
for
your
diligent
review
of
this
project,
we'd
like
to
ask
that
this
memo
be
placed
in
the
record,
so
I'm
going
to
leave
one
here
with
you
Melissa
and
we'll
stand
for
any
questions.
I
do
think
that
there
are
some
tenants
of
ours
who
still
may
want
to
speak
tonight
who
haven't
been
called
up
yet.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Q
Q
Q
Our
first
is
the
build
out
timeout
line,
which
will
mean
that
our
neighborhood
will
suffer
a
great
deal
of
noise,
dirt
and
disruption
during
the
5-2
whenever
year
filled
out,
and
so
that
is
a
concern
for
us
and
we
will
be
back
before
the
public
bodies
to
be
sure
that
construction
is
managed.
Second,
is
storm:
water,
runoff,
I
read
those
two
chapters
very
carefully
and
I
do
not
see
any
assurances
that
any
developer
has
to
retain
and
employ
all
of
their
storm
water
runoff
on
their
own
property.
Q
Another
concern
that
I
have
is
about
the
streets,
as
other
people
have
mentioned,
there's
so
many
streets
and
Roads
and
alleys
and
plazas
and
whatnot
on
there
that
they
can't
all
possibly
be
built
because
there's
just
so
many
but
the
ones
that
distressed
me
mostly
are
the
ones
that
create
new
perimeters
for
traffic
around
Milagro,
school
and
novice
school.
That
prohibits
those
schools
from
being
enhanced
as
safe
schools
for
the
students
and
the
faculty
and
I
think
that
the
public
schools
and
the
city
needs
to
get
together
and
resolve
those
issues.
Q
We
must
have
be
able
to
certify
those
schools
as
safe
schools.
That
means
no
additional
entrances
or
exits,
no
footpaths
across
the
drainage,
Canal,
no
extra
parking
behind
it
or
anything
like
that,
and
so
that
needs
to
be
discussed
quite
thoroughly
because
we
need
safe
schools
and
connected
with
that
is
the
city's
commitment
to
Safe
Streets
to
schools.
That
means
all
of
serango
road,
all
of
Yano
Street,
all
of
Saint
Michael
Street
that
goes
to
Yano
Street
and
parts
of
Syria
of
Cerrillos
Road.
Q
So
those
streets
would
be
designated
and
we
could
get
safe
routes
to
schools
for
all
the
people
that
live
in
those
neighborhoods
for
the
parents
and
the
students
and
but
with
the
number
of
streets
that
are
designed
in
this
project.
There's
absolutely
no
way
we
would
qualify
for
any
of
that.
Q
And
several
places
in
the
document
describes
that
there
will
be
no
cut
through
screen
streets.
However,
many
pictures
and
many
parts
of
the
text
describe
exactly
that
cut
through
streets,
Rancho,
serango
Road
is
a
cut
through
street.
We
have
twice
the
number
of
traffic
on
it
that
we
have
people
as
residents,
and
we
know
what
that
means,
and
so
you
gotta
deal
with
this,
because
there
cannot
be
cut
through
streets
from
the
shopping
centers,
either
East
or
West
more
additional
streets
coming
from
syringo
Road
additional
streets
from
Yano
street.
Q
C
Nyria
tank
and
Rick
Martinez.
Thank
you,
I'm,
going
to
go
ahead
and
swear
you
in.
Do
you
swear
under
the
penalty
of
perjury
that
the
testimonies
you're
about
to
give
are
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth.
Thank
you.
When
you
step
to
the
podium,
please
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
AH
I'm
Adam
Johnson
121
Arroyo,
Hondo,
Trail,
87508,
Madam,
chair
members
of
the
commission,
I'm,
the
director
of
the
Old
Santa
Fe
Association,
a
historic
preservation
and
neighborhood
advocacy,
nonprofit
and
I
speak
on
behalf
of
osva
this
evening.
I
want
to
thank
Mr,
logsdon,
Mr,
Hernandez
and
Ms
lamboy
for
their
informative
and
thorough
presentations
on
the
Midtown
master
plan.
AH
The
Old
Santa
Fe
Association
sees
the
Midtown
Redevelopment
as
an
important
opportunity
to
support
growth
in
Santa
Fe
and
to
do
so
in
a
uniquely
Santa
Fe
flavor.
So
we
applaud
the
city's
team
and
auxiliary
Partners
on
their
development
of
a
robust,
yet
flexible
master
plan.
Too
often
we
see
developers
become
neighborhood
planners.
How
wonderful
it
would
be
to
once
again
see
the
fogelsen
as
a
public-facing
institution
and
the
integration
of
Art
and
film
space
into
a
living
community
fabric
osva.
AH
My
organization
is
often
unfairly
maligned
as
an
anti-growth
organization
and
we
are
actually
excited
about
the
urban
focus
of
the
Midtown
plant.
We
think
that
the
in
this
case
grids
can
be
good
as
they
support
a
needed
density,
an
opportunity
for
a
uniquely
Santa
Fe
version
of
a
little
town.
An
urban
core
as
a
new
2020
iteration
of
the
city
different
and
here
I-
think
we
align
with
what
commissioner
pavas
said
in
some
of
his
remarks.
AH
So
I
just
want
to
use
the
rest
of
my
time
to
and
for
the
sort
of
Illumination
of
the
public
and
for
the
Commissioners
to
ask
a
couple
of
clarifying
questions
at
this
stage
in
the
Midtown
plan
and
I'll
send
these
as
well
to
Heather
lamboy
and
rich
brown
tomorrow
and
post
them
on
on
my
own
organization,
social
media.
AH
So
we
we
ask
if
the
C2
PUD
master
plan
specifies
different
sorts
of
internal
zoning,
in
other
words,
is
density
variable
and
to
be
determined
or
are
they
set
in
advance?
Second,
question
is:
are
the
existing
height
restrictions
within
the
Midtown
master
plan?
Are
there
excuse
me?
Are
there
existing
height
restrictions
within
the
midterm
master
plan
or
within
the
link
overlay?
And
if
the
latter,
how
does
the
link
overlays
height
restrictions
apply
to
the
Midtown
campus?
AH
We're
also
absolutely
concerned
about
affordable
housing.
We
want
to
understand
many
more
details
about
how
that
would
work
in
the
Pud
and
importantly,
if
affordability
will
be
in
perpetuity
and
not
so
much
a
question
but
I
just
want
to.
In
my
remarks.
AH
I
I
watched
the
financial
committees
proceedings
on
Monday
and
one
of
the
one
of
the
Consultants
mentioned
a
metropolitan
Redevelopment
agency
as
a
potential
organizing
entity
Akin,
perhaps
to
the
rail
yard
as
a
way
to
ensure
some
of
the
design
guidelines
for
the
Midtown
site
and
I
just
wanted
to
encourage
the
city
to
explore
that
a
little
further.
Thank
you.
B
A
AI
My
name
is
Nira
hitana
I'm,
a
Santa
Fe
resident
at
996,
Camino
Riso,
and
every
time
I
hear
the
words
Midtown
campus
I
want
to
croak
because
there
is
a
Midtown,
but
it's
in
New
York.
This
is
a
city
different.
This
is
the
city
of
Holy
Faith,
there's
no
Midtown.
As
far
as
I'm
concerned.
It
may
be
the
geographical
center
of
Santa
Fe,
but
that's
that's
it.
I
would
suggest
that
I
agree
with
the
name,
change
and
I
suggest
that
it
would
be
City
difference,
Center
or
something
like
that.
AI
That
would
Encompass
more
people
here
who
are
already
divided
between
the
native
communities,
the
Spanish
communities
and
the
Anglo
communities.
Thank
you,
Mr
Webber,
for
tearing
down
the
Obelisk,
that's
surely
opened.
Our
Pandora
is
boxed
I'm.
Also
tired
of
disgruntled.
AI
The
politicians.
I
haven't
heard
one
of
our
governor
candidates
talk
about
the
issue
of
anything
else,
but
abortion
and
I'm
tired
of
developers
who
are
sometimes
greedy
and
looking
for
a
fee
in
lieu
in
order
to
not
have
as
many
affordable
housing
units
as
proposed,
which
I
don't
know
how
many
are
proposed
and
how
you
determine
affordable
units
or
housing.
AI
The
gray,
stoic
17
apartment
buildings
that
have
people
all
over
the
city
appeared
out
of
nowhere.
Disgust
me
frankly
and
if
that's
what
we're
looking
at
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
very
happy
with
that.
So
I
don't
have
a
prepared
speech.
I.
Have
these
Bill
bullet
points
that
I'd
like
to
bring
to
your
attention?
AI
There
has
been
some
talk
here
about
reaching
out
to
other
people
and
I'm
thinking.
Has
anybody
reached
out
to
the
Christian
Brothers,
who
had
that
property
for
decades
and
surely
must
have
at
least
one
good
idea
about
how
they
would
see
the
development
of
this
project?
AI
The
other
thing
I
haven't
noticed
anybody's
address
is
the
environmental
impact
on
a
five-year
ten
year,
50
15-year
plan
of
cement,
trucks,
saws,
electrical
equipment,
hundreds
of
people
working
in
the
area,
dust,
etc,
etc.
Nobody
has
spoken
to
that
and
in
the
area
the
commercial
units
are
worried
about
a
road
going
through.
Well.
What
about
15
years
of
shovels,
cement
and
all
of
that
this
is
hard
for
me.
AI
AI
Thank
you.
How
does
that
rank
Fogelson,
vis-a-vis
LaFarge?
What
will
happen
to
that
Library?
So
these
are
the
questions
that
have
developed
in
my
mind
as
I
sat
here
and
listened
to
the
presenters
who
made
very
cogent
presentations.
I,
don't
deny
that
at
all
I'm,
just
coming
from
a
totally
different
philosophical
place
and
I
was
hoping
for
serial
positioning,
so
that
would
be
the
last
one.
So
the
remarks
I
made
you
will
remember.
Thank
you.
Thank.
AJ
Rick
Martinez
725
Messiah
Road.
My
comments
are
basically
what
kind
of
campuses
it
would
be.
An
inclusive
campus,
I,
don't
know
if
anybody's
ever
seen
the
sign
there
at
the
intersection
of
Saint
Francis
driving
service
road.
That
says
we
are
ability
to
the
exclusive
Community.
It's
right
there,
real
big
side,
but
with
this
project
does
it
look
like
it's
gonna,
be
an
inclusive
community
because
we're
still
using
the
infeeding
lieu
of
for
this
whole
project
they
have
that
has
not
been
taken
off
the
table.
AJ
It's
gonna
be
a
20-year
build
out.
So
it's
good
to
use
this.
If
you,
though,
because
we
could
keep
affordable
housing
because
most
of
these
can
be
rental
units
anyway,
so
it
should
stay
these
developers
that
are
selling
that
we're
selling
up
partials
of
land.
These
developers
are
going
to
buy
it
they're
going
to
go
and
ask
for
the
fee
in
lieu
of
so
that
and
and
then
they're
going
to
say.
AJ
Well,
you
know
we
don't
have
to
be
able
to
feed
a
little,
but
but
in
the
long
run,
10
years
10
years
of
Apartments
can
last
for
10
years
for
for
affordable
utilization.
Be
part
of
this
solution
and
help
us
with
this
I
just
feel
that
the
these
developers
need
to
be
part
of
this
community
and
and
act
like
they're
part
of
this
community,
but
and
this
city.
This
plan
should
also
include
no
no
one
fee
Louisville
because,
as
we
grow
through
this
whole
project
tenure,
like
I,
say
a
10-year
build
out.
AJ
We
need
to
make
sure
that
is
that
it
is
going
to
be
affordable
units
throughout
the
whole
whole
thing,
because,
if
we're,
if
we're
not
we're,
we
keep
them
feeling
we
are
not
making
this
project
an
inclusive
campus.
It's
going
to
be,
you
know
a
high-end
market
rate
units
away
for
a
long
time.
We
have
a
few
that
are
that
will
be
affordable,
but
not
the
whole
thing.
So
I
suggest
that
any
this
could
be
part
of
the
master
plan
that
the
vlo
should
be
not
included
in
in
in
in
this
project.
AJ
C
AK
Do
thank
everybody
left
their
their
glasses
up
here.
I,
don't
know
whose
they
are
I
won't.
Take
them
I'll,
be
very
brief.
Madam
chair
you
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting,
took
something
really
kind
of
off
the
table
that
people
talked
about
and
and
then
the
staff
put
up
a
condition
that
spoke
to
exactly
what
you
were
talking
about.
AK
The
this
plan
does
not
have
implications
for
adjoining
properties
and
the
connectivity,
as
you
could
see
from
the
testimony
tonight,
people
are
concerned
about
that,
and
my
suggestion
is,
is
that
staff
has
given
you
a
good
basis
to
make
a
very
specific
finding
effect,
which
I
think
you
guys
will
do
next
time
around
at
your
meeting.
One
is
that
staff
has
indicated
to
you,
both
your
in-house
staff
and
your
Consulting
staff,
which
is
Wilson
that
the
traffic
analysis,
the
traffic
impact
analysis,
demonstrates
that
the
existing
connections
to
the
campus
are
adequate
for
complete,
build
out.
AK
That's
a
finding,
that's
very
specific.
That
could
show
that
you
are
relying
on
that
information
that
would
also
bolster
the
condition
of
approval,
meaning
that
there
aren't
any
implications.
If
you
made
a
finding
specific
about
that,
and
that
became
a
part
of
your
conclusions,
that
would
be
very
comforting
for
our
property
owners
adjacent
because
at
that
point,
at
all
at
all
stages
people
could
say
well
look.
This
plan
was
approved
based
on
an
analysis
that
the
existing
connections
were
adequate.
That's
just
my
suggestion.
Thank
you.
R
Thank
you,
chair
clout
and
I
will
just
speak
to
the
people
on
Zoom.
If
you
could,
please
raise
your
hand
and
keep
it
raised,
and
then
I
will
call
on
you
in
the
order
that
I
have
you
on
the
screen.
The
first
and
again,
please
remember
to
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
be
sworn
in.
Thank
you.
First
name
is
Barbara.
R
M
R
Okay,
can't
we
cannot
hear
you
Barbara
I'm,
going
to
move
on
to
the
next.
Hopefully
we
can
get
your
sound
working.
I
will
move
on
to
Danny
Bryant
as
the
next
person.
AL
Yes,
my
name
is
Dan
Bryant.
Can
you
hear
me
hello.
AL
M
AL
Yes,
my
name
is
Daniel
Bryant
I'm
at
8200,
La,
Vita
Road
in
Larkspur
Colorado,
and
we
were
part
owners
in
the
Thomas
properties.
Project
and
I
have
actually.
C
AL
I
have
already
actually
seated
my
time
to
Mr
Thomas,
who
spoke
earlier
so
I
appreciate
your
consideration
of
of
the
points
made
by
Thomas
properties.
R
R
AM
R
The
next
Stephen
Newhall,
please.
W
Hi,
my
name
is
Stephen
Newhall
1632
St
Michaels
Drive
in
Santa
Fe,
that's
Robin,
Charlie's
bike
shop,
where
I've
been
the
manager
for
almost.
C
W
Okay,
well,
the
first
as
I
am
probably
the
closest
to
the
property.
At
the
moment,
it's
probably
about
30
feet
away
from
where
I
am
sitting
the
of
course.
The
first
thing
is:
we
do
not
need
any
roads
through
our
building
and
I.
Don't
know
who
came
up
with
the
idea-
and
hopefully
this
gets
permanently
done.
I'd
also
like
to
speak
to
the
bicycle
part
of
this,
as
I
am
a
local
bike.
W
Advocate
one
thing
on
this
planet:
in
the
bicycle
master
plan
there
is
a
trail
along
the
irrigation
ditch
which
would
be
right
over
there.
W
That
would
not
have
conflicts
with
any
of
the
roads,
but
would
actually
allow
an
access
to
our
shopping
center,
Milagro,
school
and
lafar's
library
and
I.
Think
that
would
be
an
important,
particularly
if
there's
youth
there.
That
connection
could
be
a
very
important
thing
rather
than
sending
the
kids
out
into
the
streets
to
go
around.
They
would
be,
you
know,
literally,
a
quarter
of
a
mile
or
less
from
the
school.
W
So
that's
a
that's
an
important
thing
and
then
the
side
pass
which
I
saw
in
some
of
the
diagrams
are
not
a
particularly
safe,
where
you
have
a
bicycle
access
sitting
off
to
the
side
of
the
road
crossing
intersections.
That
is
not
an
effective,
safe
way
to
do
it.
W
I
am
also
a
league
cycling
instructor
with
a
leak,
American
bicyclist,
so
I
am
somewhat
of
an
expert
in
this
matter
and
the
if
you,
if
you
were
looking
for
an
off-road
path,
it's
best
to
have
one
with
no
conflicts,
all
right,
and
so
that
is
the
extent
of
my
comments.
Thank
you.
C
AN
With
your
comments,
I
live
across
the
street
and
have
worked
at
the
old
College
of
Santa,
Fe
and
Art
and
Design
and
everything.
But
my
my
comment
is
we're
we're
talking
about
this
being
a
10
15
20
year
project,
if
I'm
understanding
it
correctly,
so
basically
we're
not
building
it
for
us
now
we're
building
it
for
our
kids
and
I,
don't
I,
don't
see
it
as
a
I,
don't
I'm,
not
understanding
how
that
future
for
the
Youth
is
being
encouraged.
AN
If
we're
talking
about
is
I,
think
the
whole
fee
in
lieu
of
should
be
abolished
across
any
new
project
in
the
town,
because
at
the
way
it's
going
now,
there
isn't
going
to
be
any
youth
living
in
this
town
anymore,
because
what
the
affordable
housing
will
be
in
20
years.
At
the
rate
it's
going
now
is
going
to
be
what
the
median
rate
for
a
home
is
in
Santa
Fe.
So
I
look
at
the
crowd
and
I.
AN
Think
of
myself
we're
not
doing
this
project
for
me
to
be
able
to
have
an
affordable
place
to
live,
we're
doing
it
for
somebody
who
has
kids
and
hoping
that
their
kids
will
be
able
to
afford
to
live
in
this
town
in
20
years,
10
years,
even
five
years.
So
as
much
as
I
want
to
see
the
area
developed
and
it
does
in
look
like
a
good
idea.
AN
Or
who
are
you
hoping
will
benefit
from
it
out
of
Staters
people
who
want
to
just
rent
to
you
know
Los
Alamos
or
whatever
so
I
I
like
the
idea,
I,
just
don't
see
it
as
being
feasible
for
to
keep
youth
in
town,
and
are
you
considering
what
industries
will
be
like
then
in
10
years,
in
20
years,
so
in
listening
to
all
the
the
presentations?
That
was
what
my
thought
was:
we're
not
talking
about
solving
anything
now
we're
talking
about
the
future
and
I.
R
C
AO
AO
AO
When
I
started
in
1991
30
years
ago,
right
out
of
the
Marine
Corps,
then
I
I
ran
it
for
Beaver
for
Beaver
Toyota,
then
I
was
an
owner
of
Toyota
of
Santa
Fe
and
Enchanted
Mazda
and
now
I
am
running
Toyota
Santa
Fe
Enchanted
Mazda
for
Sonic
Automotive
I
would
like
to
say
that
I'm,
in
full
support
of
everything
that
Forest
Thomas
had
to
say
and
would
like
all
that
to
be
considered.
AO
I'd
also
like
to
address
another
issue
that
we've
had
in
in
that
area.
That
I'm
sure
everybody's
aware,
but
the
homeless
problem
is,
is
a
serious
problem.
We
have
people
defecating
behind
the
business
buildings,
including
Enchanted
Mazda,
Toyota,
Santa,
Fe,
we've
got
people
building
tent
cities
next
to
Yano
Street
and
Burger.
King
and
I
would
just
like
to
see
somebody
taking
all
of
this
into
consideration
because
it's
not
getting
any
better.
It
looks
like
a
dump
back
there
right
now.
R
C
AC
My
name
is
Charles
zobek
and
my
address
is
one
thousand
Court
of
a
place
number
145,
Santa
Fe
a
couple
of
things.
Thank
you
for
the
time
and
Madam
chairman
I
happen
to
be
a
couple
things
in
this
whole
project.
AC
My
background
consists
of
Real
Estate
banking
in
California
in
New,
Mexico
I
did
a
little
bit
of
insurance
work,
so
I've
been
a
broker.
A
variety
of
things,
I'm
also
a
graduate
of
college
of
Santa
Fe
class
of
2007.
I
know
that
sounds
like
a
Marie
not
very
long
ago,
but
I
chose
to
go
back
to
school,
because
I
wanted
to
go
to
that
particular
School.
AC
All
that
being
said
is
I
also
happen
to
be
a
a
veteran
and
I
went
back
to
college
of
Santa
Fe
under
the
VA,
so
I'm
very
familiar
with
the
campus
and
I
am
extremely
disappointed
with
the
condition.
That's
in
I've
been
disappointed
with
the
conditions
and
for
some
time,
I
further
have
to
tell
you,
as
a
matter
of
disclosure,
that
my
wife
and
partner
happens
to
be
a
Woman
by
him.
AC
Carol
Rose,
not
the
past
mayor's
wife
but
Carol
Rose
owns
Amanda's
flowers
and
she's
started
from
pretty
much
Low
Bottom
and
it's
really
created
a
significant
business
in
this
city.
The
program
that
you're
talking
about
doing
is
just
going
to
get
crushed.
So
what
I
don't
hear?
What
I've
not
heard
is
serious
money
this
this
community
spent
30
million
dollars
so
far
on
that
campus
and
has
managed
to
burn
more
what
eight
ten
thousand
dollars
a
day
just
for
carry
on
it.
AC
So
it's
approximately
500,
maybe
that's
a
soft
number
in
Albuquerque.
That's
talking
about
4
500.!
If
Albuquerque
is
10
times
larger
than
Santa
Fe
they're
talking
about
spending
34
million
dollars
per
year
starting
now.
So
what
is
this
city
going
to
do
for
homeless?
Are
you
going
to
spend
10
of
that
3.4
million
dollars?
Are
we
going
to
give
more
and
more
away?
AC
You've
had
other
people.
In
fact,
the
other
gentleman
that
just
spoke
a
minute
or
two
before
me,
buddy
Espinoza,
has
been
involved
in
the
community
in
this
business
and
in
the
business
world
for
some
time
you
can't
keep
doing
this
can't
keep.
Are
you
not
recognizing
the
consequences
of
this?
That's
what
blows
me
away?
Where's
the
money
coming
from
and
where's
it
going.
You
just
keep
writing
checks
on
it.
The
city
can't
even
balance
its
books,
it's
so
frustrating
so
frustrating.
B
Anyone
else
the
public
want
to
speak,
if
not
we'll
close
the
public
hearing
and
we'll
open
it
up
to
the
commission.
B
L
Chair
Cloud,
yes,
correct!
That
was
not
intentional
to
threaten
or
entitle
any
other
properties
so
but
as
I
understand
that
the
concern
now
is
for
that
one
piece
on
the
Ring
Road
there's
a
little
piece
that
goes
through
that
green
space
in
between
the
property
Mr
Thomas
owns
and
the
Ring
Road,
that's
on
the
campus
or
on
in
the
Midtown
planning
area.
So
I've
spoken
with
the
applicant
team.
L
There
are
several
things
in
that
memo
that
was
presented
and
so
I
don't
know
that
we
can
deal
with
all
those
things,
but
the
applicant
team
is
willing
to
remove
from
the
maps
all
references
to
that
stub
out,
so
the
board
I'm.
Sorry,
the
commission,
if,
if
that
is
your
pleasure,
can
make
a
condition
of
approval
and
then
also
we
can
report
back
the
other
stuff
at
the
November
3rd
meeting.
So
the
you
know
that
you
can
see
how
those
issues
may
have
been
addressed
or
may
have
been.
B
Okay,
so
you'll
work
with
the
outlying
Property
Owners
to
appease
them
that
they're
not
going
to
have
a
road
through
their
building.
Yes,.
B
Makes
sense
and
legally
the
city
of
Santa
Fe
couldn't
do
that
anyway,
but
just
I
can
see
why
there's
a
concern
that
maybe
having
it
Illustrated
that
way
would
somehow
create
something
in
the
future.
That
would
make
an
argument
that
that
was
the
plan.
So
I
can
appreciate
their
concern
and
it'd
be
great
to
get
that
worked
out.
L
Yes,
so
chair
Cloud
this
evening,
if
you
would
prefer
to
wait
until
the
November
3rd
for
the
for
the
master
plan,
as
well
as
the
link
text
Amendment,
those
you
know
are
what
those
two
things
are
related.
B
I
think
we
can
address
it
tonight
with
just
addressing
that,
the
the
understanding
that
we
are
only
dealing
with
the
out
what's
before
us
in
terms
of
the
property
that
the
city
owned
and
that
there's
no
effect
on
any
outside
businesses.
Okay,.
L
B
Think
we
can
move
forward
with
that
of
everyone
else
on
the
commission's
okay
doing
that,
okay.
So
what
other
questions
from
or
comments
from
the
commission.
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
following
on
on
your
inquiry
about
incorporating
the
concerns
that
were
presented
in
the
public
Hearing
in
the
letter
by
by
the
it
was,
let
me
just
jump
to
this.
There
was
also
concerns
about
bicycle
bicycle
planning
and
bicycle
alignments
and
roadways.
There
was
a
letter
submitted
that
essentially
said
what
what
was
presented
by
the
gentleman
on
Zoom
this
evening.
Would
staff
be
willing
and
able
to
coordinate
and
incorporate
those
changes.
L
Chair
Cloud,
commissioner
pava,
the
the
staff
will
be
happy
to
look
at
those
comments
were
received,
pretty
late
and
so
yeah
I,
don't
know
if
we'll
Implement
all
of
them,
but
we
can
make
recommendations
as
to
how
they're
their
comments
are
addressed.
K
And
and
then
related
again
to
what
Mr
summer
presented
suggesting
a
finding
that
the
Transportation
impact
analysis
would
indicate
existing
connections
will
be
adequate.
Is
that
something
we
could
add
this
evening?
If
we
were
to
motion
for
approval
of
of
the
appropriate
I?
Think
it's
it's
going
to
be
in
the
you
know
in
the
in
the
findings
of
of
fact,.
L
So
I'm
not
sure
that
that
would
bring
anything
to
the
designer
or
anything
like
that.
So
yes,
there
is
sufficient
access
and
that
would
be
a
requirements
for
judging
this
application.
We
would
not
be
able
to
recommend.
B
And
that's
already
in
the
whole
package:
yes
correct!
So
when
we,
if
we
move
to
approve
it
and
approve
it,
that's
already
Incorporated
in
the
approval
that
traffic
the
traffic
department
said,
there's
adequate
access
to
the
project.
Yes,
that
is
correct,
so
we
don't
have
to
address
it
separately.
I
would
assume.
K
No
thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
that
clarification,
I
think
I
think
that's
correct
as
well.
Throughout
the
document,
I
noticed
in
the
latest
draft
the
disclaimer
statement
that
was
pretty
much
verbatim
from
from
the
letters
the
letter
that
was
sent
in
I
think
regarding
future
alignments
and
whatnot.
If,
if
it
need
be,
we
could
cite
the
adequacy
statement
or
added
on
to
that.
But
if
it's
the
pleasure
of
the
commission
that
that's
not
necessary,
that's
fine
with
me.
B
H
Friendly
Amendment,
perhaps
a
statement
regarding
all
of
these
recommendations
that
they
will
all
include
the
condition
read
by
staff
as
part
of
this
evening's
meeting,
removing
the
stub
out
in
any
drawings
that
may
indicate
any
effects
on
adjoining
neighbors
and
that
staff
will
continue
to
work
with
adjoining
neighbors
between
now
and
the
time
that
this
is
heard
by
the
governing
body
regarding
the
potential
access
and
indications
of
access
across
their
properties
and
try
to
address
those
issues.
I
C
C
D
D
K
B
And
it's
with
the
understanding
that
that
same
amendment
is
applying
to
all
all
four
matters.
That.
C
I
I
C
D
B
E
K
Sure,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
In
a
matter
of
case
2022-5766
Midtown
link
text
amendments
motion
for
approval.
I
C
G
B
I
C
C
D
D
L
.,
thank
you,
chair
Clow,
with
reference
to
the
master
plan
and
that
wasn't
a
defined
64-acre
area.
The
master
plan
does
not
have
to
stop
there
it.
In
fact,
the
city
is
taking
steps
to
work
with
a
budding
Property
Owners
to
think
about
the
long
term
and
the
and
the
future,
and
also
possibly
to
correct
the
zoning
to
be
more
appropriate
to
what
the
use
is.
L
So
the
request
associated
with
with
these
particular
properties
is
that
there's
a
general
plan
Amendment
from
the
residential
category
to
transitional
mixed
use,
a
rezoning
from
residential
to
General
commercial,
but
not
PUD,
just
general,
C2,
commercial
and,
and
then
the
Midtown
and
the
master
plan
and
the
link
text
amendments.
You
know
we've
already
acted
on
so,
for
you
know,
orientation.
The
shallow
Burger
Tennis
Center
here
is
on
the
Southeastern
portion
of
the
site.
L
Can
you
see
my
I
guess,
but
the
properties
and
I'll
show
you
a
map
surrounds
the
shallow
Burger
Tennis
Center,
so
you
can
see
with
the
future
land
just
category
as
it
is,
is
public
institutional
and
the
properties
that
are
under
consideration
are
outlined
in
blue,
so
the
Red
Dot
is
the
shallow
Burger
Tennis
Center,
which
was
previously
rezoned
to
C2,
as
it
was
not
officially
associated
with
the
College
of
Santa
Fe.
L
At
that
time,
they
needed
to
ReSound
to
commercial,
to
have
the
tennis
center
be
able
to
operate
there,
so
the
proposed
future
land
uses
two
transitional
mixed
use,
similar
to
or
the
same
as
with
the
master
planned
area
and
as
I
stated
before
it
provides,
for
you
know
a
lot
of
variety
and
different
options
in
terms
of
regulatory
from
a
regulatory
standpoint,
the
existing
zoning
is
R5
and
the
proposed
would
to
reason
this
to
C2.
The
saint
printing
office,
for
instance,
is
on
this
property.
L
It
is
not
a
residential
use,
and
so
this
zoning
would
bring
that
use
into
conformance
with
the
with
these
zoning
districts,
and
this
is
at
the
southwestern
portion
of
the
Midtown
link
area.
So
it's
already
been
contemplated
for
link
regulations
and
no
Amendment
would
be
necessary
for
that
and
I'm
just
gonna
blow
through
this
really
quickly,
but
it's
consistent
with
the
growth
projections
and
economic
development
goals.
Other
parts
of
the
general
fund
as
well,
who
are
coordinated
and
harmonious
development
and
not
inconsistent
with
the
prevailing
use
of
the
area.
L
So
the
staff
Pines
and
recommends
for
the
general
plan.
Amendment
reckons
approval
and
then
for
the
rezoning.
Then,
once
again,
there's
been
a
change
in
the
surrounding
area.
The
different
zoning
category
will
be
advantageous
to
Foster
developments
or
redevelopments,
and
it's
consistent
with
the
applicable
General
plan
policies
as
well
as
it
will
be
accommodated
by
planned
or
existing
infrastructure.
That
concludes
my
presentation.
N
Thank
you,
Madam
chair
and
Commissioners
I.
Don't
really
have
a
presentation
per
se.
I've
got
two
slides.
I
could
pull
up
that
are
based
off
an
aerial
photo
that
demonstrates
which
Parcels
they
are.
N
But,
as
Heather
said,
you
know,
it
really
is
just
to
kind
of
extend
the
zoning
down
to
syringo
and
make
things
in
conformance
with
the
land
use
it's
actually
there
if
they,
if
their
properties,
that
aren't
owned
by
the
city
they're
owned
by
the
state,
and
we
are
actively
negotiating
with
them
to
trade,
and
they
have
given
us
permission
to
pursue
this.
Q
Mary
shrubin
2119
Rancho
serango
Road
for
the
Rancho
serango
neighborhood
association,
the
only
qualification
that
we
have
on
or
concern
that
we
have
excuse
me
about
the
rezoning
to
C2
is
that
if
there
are
additional
commercial
Enterprises
developed
on
these
properties
that
front
on
sarango
road,
the
North
serango
Road
on
their
South
Edge
that
there
be
no
exits
onto
directly
onto
saringo
Road
from
those
businesses
to
obstruct
traffic
between
the
schools
and
on
that
dangerous
Hill.
Q
Where
we
have
the
Culvert
on
serango
road
that
regularly
floods
when
we
have
extreme
storms
and
I'm
also
concerned
that
that
I
I
thought
that
there
was
going
to
be
property
swap
on
some
of
these.
The
properties
on
the
east
side,
from
Alumni
Drive
south
of
the
shallow
burger
and
now
I,
see
that
there's
one
of
these
famous
stubbed
roads
in
there
I
also
see
that
there's
a
drainage
pond
in
there.
Q
Deep
I,
that's
my
concern
and
our
concern
for
our
neighborhood
that
we
not
experience
the
cut
through
traffic
from
additional
commercial
development,
retail
development,
that
kind
of
stuff
and
I'm
especially
concerned
about
the
foot
traffic
for
the
children
on
those
streets.
Thank
you
very
much.
R
R
Foreign,
individual
Patricia
Duncan,
please
state
your
name
address
and
be
sworn
in
before
you
give
your
comment.
C
AP
I
I
just
want
to
add
my
comment
to
the
the
person,
and
that
spoke
just
before
me
and
concern
about.
It
looks
on
the
map
that
there
will
also
be
a
road
that
crosses
over
the
Arroyo
and
through
the
LaFarge
library,
parking
lot
and
I
agree.
I.
Think
it's
I
think
it's
very
risky
to
do
that.
It's
dangerously
close,
it's
right
between
Santa
Fe,
High,
School,
malagro,
Middle
School,
and
it's
already
a
very
highly
it's
it's
a
thoroughfare.
AP
It's
a
very
busy
road
and
their
children
walking
jaywalking
waiting
for
buses
waiting
for
parents,
parents
parking
in
our
neighborhood
as
well
as
oniano
and
I
I,
just
think
there
should
not
be
an
access
road
from
the
Midtown
development,
aniano
Orum
first
or
on
syringo,
for
that
matter.
AP
Additionally,
I'd
like
to
say
something
about
the
the
homeless
housing
and
that
I've
lived
in
Santa
Fe
in
the
in
the
90s
and
I
left
for
a
while
and
I
came
back
and
I
was
shocked
at
the
homeless
problem
here
and
and
I
was
also
shocked
with
how
many
empty
buildings
there
already
are
in
the
city
that
is
not
being
used.
AP
For
instance,
just
around
the
Midtown
property
there
is
the
former
car
dealership
on
one
corner
and
then
around
the
corner,
just
a
little
bit
farther
down
on
St
Mike's,
there's
the
the
whole
Kmart
center.
That
is
not
being
used
and
what
are
the
plans
for
that,
and
why
are
we
rezoning
when
there's
already
other
other
buildings
and
other
places
for
for
potential
housing.
R
R
Thank
you,
yeah
buddy
Espinosa,
please,
oh.
AO
Yes,
thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
comment
and
say
great
work
on
on
all
of
your
part,
getting
getting
to
where
you're
at
at
this
point
and
I
just
wanted
to
caution
you
that,
because
I've
worked
in
that
area
for
30
years,
that
the
homeless
situation
is
a
massive
situation
that
can
derail
all
this
good
work
that
all
of
you
are
doing.
If
we
don't
get
it
under
control,
now,
you're
not
going
to
believe
what
you're
dealing
with
later
there.
It
is
unbelievable
and
it
needs
to
be
handled
now.
R
M
B
Anyone
else
on
Doom,
no
anyone
else
in
the
audience
that
would
like
to
speak,
if
not
we'll
close
the
public
hearing
any
comments
from
the
or
questions
from
the
commission.
N
Commissioner
pava
members
of
the
commission,
Madam
chair
I,
would
have
to
know
which
map
regarding
the
roads
I
would
have
to
know
which
map
they're
talking
about,
because
I
believe
the
conditions
that
were
just
placed
kind
of
takes
care
of
that
situation.
But
on
the
uses
allowed
and
so
forth.
These
adjacent
properties
would
be
Zone,
C2,
commercial,
so
General,
commercial
and
subject
to
the
further
restrictions
and.
N
N
It
would
depend
on
what
they
are
honestly.
You
know
one
of
them
is
the
state
printing
office.
That's
not
likely
to
ever
come
before
you.
You
know
the
city
owns
a
few
properties
in
there.
To
be
blunt,
several
several
of
the
properties
that
were
spoken
of
in
terms
of
concern
for
flooding
and
so
forth
throughout
the
public
commentary
are
fairly
unbuildable,
so
they
do
become
C2
but
are
likely
to
become
extensions
of
open
space
for
future
development
and
so
forth.
N
But,
just
like
anything
else
to
answer
your
basic
question,
just
like
anything
else
in
the
link,
it
would
depend
on
if
it's
a
qualifying
project,
in
which
case
it
might
remain
administrative
approval,
if
it's
a
commercial
type
building,
that's
large
enough,
it
could
become
and
not
qualifying
it
be
a
development
plan
that
would
come
before
you
so.
F
F
B
Any
other
questions
from
the
commission,
if
not
entertaining
emotion
on
matter,
2022-5767.
AA
C
D
C
AA
D
B
and
I
had
a
cup
of
coffee
which
I
never
have
at
night
thinking,
we'd
be
up
all
night,
so
I'm
going
to
be
home
all
by
myself.
I
might
be
having
to
call
some
of
you.
Okay.
So
now
we'll
move
from
matters
Matters
from
staff,
I
guess!
First!
Let's
do
that
because
that's
not
on
the
agenda,
but
let's
see
what
staff
has
to
say
then
we'll
move
to
Matters
from
the
commission.
R
Thank
you,
chair,
Clow,
One,
update
I,
do
want
to
give
you
and
it's
not
as
advanced
as
I
would
like,
but
we
are
in
the
signature
process
for
the
chapter
14
code,
update
process,
I
hope
by
November
3rd.
We
can
give
you
you
know
complete
information
and
and
on
you
know,
who
is
selected
and
what
we're
doing
with
that
and
I
look
forward
to
Monday
District
3
tour.
Thank
you.
F
And
then
Madam
chair
just
a
reminder
to
make
appointments
for
the
Planning
Commission
policy
subcommittee.
Yes,.
B
I
will
I
have
a
question,
so
the
next
meeting
is
not
going
to
be
at
the
school.
Is
that
correct?
It's
going
to
be
here.
R
Yeah,
chair
Cloud,
that
is
correct,
I,
did
attempt
to
secure
a
location
in
District
3,
but
the
timing
did
not
work.
Yes,
there
were
locations,
the
timing
didn't
work
and
I
I
talked
with
commissioner
Faulkner
and
relay
that
information
to
her
and
then
we're
hoping
to
look
at
a
later
date
for
the
South
Side
Library
when
that
is
available,
probably
in
2023.
R
B
So
I
have
a
matter,
and
that
is
based
on
the
recommendation
of
commissioner
Faulkner,
who
is
the
chair
of
the
Planning
Commission
policy
subcommittee,
we're
making
new
appointments,
some
new
appointments
to
that
subcommittee.
So,
commissioner
pava
will
be
a
member
commissioner
Smith
and
commissioner
mirando
and
commissioner
Faulkner
will
remain
the
chair
of
that
committee.