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B
F
F
B
B
B
B
G
G
H
B
A
J
As
we've
seen,
people
do
in
our
plaza,
as
well
as
in
our
nation's
capital.
So
I'm
looking
forward
to
a
um
discussion,
as
this
committee
takes
it
up
as
well
as
finance
committee
tomorrow
and
city
council
on
wednesday.
Again,
thank
you
for
your
time
and
um
look
forward
to
this
topic.
Moving
forward
with
the
city's
efforts
through
the
year.
Thank
you.
K
K
K
None
of
them
are
pueblo,
indians
and
we're
talking
about
santa
fe
and
the
north
part
where
we
deal
with
pueblo
indians
here
or
natives
and
and
those
natives
don't
represent
the
pueblos,
and
they
have
said
that
they
said
that
to
the
mayor
when
the
mayor
met
with
the
eight
nolan
pueblos
and
they
said
that
to
him,
and
they
said
it
to
us
when
we
right
after
mayor
spoke
to
them.
They
said
that
no
one
speaks
for
them,
except
the
pueblos
themselves.
K
Now
you
are
being
led
by
these
two
groups.
Maybe
three
groups-
and
this
is
not
correct-
and
it's
not
right
and
they
should
not
be
the
leaders
in
this.
You
should
allow
the
the
pueblos
to
speak
and
not
these
other
groups.
Now
the
amendments
that
you
have
over
here
there's
many
problems
with
it.
uh
You
know
you're,
saying
unaffiliate,
unaffiliated
uh
organization
groups,
while
you're
excluding
a
lot
of
people
out
of
there
you're,
excluding
the
pueblos
themselves,
you're,
excluding
the
you
know,
protectiva
the
hispanic
round
table
the
cairos
de
vargas.
K
K
uh
Mr
tiger,
when,
when
you
all
concert
tiger,
when
you
look
at
the
list
of
all
the
other
items
that
the
mayor
wants
to
look
at
you're
creating
havoc
in
the
city
and
we
never
had
it
until
until
this
year.
Oh,
yes,
there's
been
some
disputes,
but
we
never
had
this.
The
problems
that
we
are
having
today.
K
A
A
B
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
um
I
wanted
to
I
first
of
all,
I
agree
with
the
shared
poll
agreement,
uh
but
I
wanted
to
ask
uh
dr
roach,
I
think
he's
on
here.
So
there
you
are
um
in
your
in
your
memo.
I
believe
it
is
page
two
under
advantages
to
city
sharing
the
water
resources
item,
one
operational
flexibility
and
discretionary
bdd
shutdown.
G
I
know
we've
we've
mentioned
this
before
in
our
bdd
board
meetings,
uh
but
it
crossed
my
mind
that
here
when
we
say
we
may
choose
to
reduce
cost
and
cross-train
operators-
and
we've
talked
about
that
at
great
length.
But
I
wanted
to
ask
um
if
you
in
working
with
rick
carpenter
have-
and
I
think
mostly
it
would
apply
to
the
water
side-
the
water
treatment
side
have
have.
L
Mr
chair
councilor
v
hill
coupler-
I
am
have
not
familiarized
myself
with
any
details
of
the
contract
that
would
exclude
us
from
being
able
to
move
staff
from
one
facility
to
another,
and
I
believe
that
the
financial
mechanisms
are
in
place
when
when
and
if
bdd
staff
went
to
a
city
facility
to
charge
that
time
completely
to
the
city
before
that
is
done,
I
will
make
sure
to
check
with
members
of
the
union
to
be
sure,
there's
nothing
that
I
am
not
aware
of
that.
I
should
be.
G
G
I
think,
as
we
know,
it's
it's
doable,
but
I
believe
before
we
get
any
further,
uh
I
would
encourage
you
and
any
supervisors
in
in
involved
in
this
arrangement
to
become
familiar
with
the
union
contract
front
and
back
page
introduction
all
the
way
to
the
to
the
the
end,
uh
because
uh
we
do
seem
to
get
in
quite
a
bit
of
problem
by
not
following
the
union
contract
and
it's
very
important.
It's
a
it's
an
agreement,
and
um
so
I
think
to
to
know
this
and
and
follow
it
it's.
G
G
I
You
chair-
um
I
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
comment
on
this,
that
um
it
appears
to
me
that
this
agreement
is,
and
um
mr
roach,
you
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong.
um
It
appears
that
this
agreement
is
more
advantageous
to
the
county
than
it
is
to
the
city.
However,
in
a
spirit
of
cooperation
and
trying
to
secure
the
water
future
for
both
the
city
and
the
county,
um
I
think
that
we
agreed
to
this
and
that
we
probably
will
pass
this.
um
Am
I
correcting
that
mr
roach.
L
Mr
chair
council
lindell,
I
will
I
think,
that
your
characterization
is
fair.
I
would
um
remind
the
um
committee
that
the
shared
pool
is
one
of
three
areas
where,
at
a
staff
level
we're
working
with
the
county
on
water
resources
issues
and
the
two
others
are
combined
long-range
planning
effort
and
the
san
juan
trauma
return
flow
pipeline,
and
so,
as
part
of
a
larger
package.
I
B
G
G
B
Thank
you,
councilor
uh
jesse.
I
do
want
to
echo
what
council
council
lindell
said
um
in
the
spirit
of
cooperation,
I'm
sure
this
will
go
through
and
I
hope
it's
viewed
by
the
county
as
being
exactly
that,
and
I
hope
we
can
continue,
especially
on
water
issues,
to
really
work
together
and
and
continue
to
maintain
a
a
good
working
agreement
with
the
county
on
all
issues
regarding
water
and
the
bdd.
So
I
hope
that
is
expressed
to
all
on
in
the
county
and
the
county
commission
as
well
as
well
as
the
staff.
B
With
regards
to
what
councilwoman
the
hill
koppler
said,
I
think
it
would
benefit
both
bdd
and
canyon
road
treatment
facility
to
be
able
to
cross
train
and
be
able
to
move
operators
back
and
forth.
So
if
the
union
contract
doesn't
allow
it
at
the
moment,
I
would
suggest
that
we
begin
at
some
point.
I'm
not
sure
who
the
negotiating
team
is,
but
maybe
looking
at
language
that
will
allow
us
to
do
that,
even
if
it's
just
on
an
emergency
basis,
so
that
um
employees
can
can
be
utilized
at
either
work
side.
B
M
F
B
I
E
B
I
I
I
I
I
Okay,
um
I
just
think
we
should
try
to
be
a
little
bit
clearer
on
these
things.
Additionally,
um
and
I
always
say
this,
and
I
would
hope
that
we
have
a
way
of
tracking
it
at
this
point
in
time,
but
I
think
that
these
patches
and
repairs
that
are
completed,
um
I
think
we
need
to
be
very,
very
careful
in
tracking
these
and
making
sure
that
we
check
them
before
the
warranty
guarantee
on
them
is
up.
I
I
We've
had
an
awful
lot
of
repairs
in
the
past
and
you
guys
uh
repaved
that
road
and
did
a
terrific
job.
It's
wonderful,
but
even
in
the
time
since
it's
been
repaired,
uh
we've
had
people
have
to
make
cuts
into
it
and
the
asphalts
repaired
and
those
can
potentially
end
up
being
problematic
for
us,
and
I
think
that
if
these
have
a
warranty,
we
should
make
sure
that
um
we're
getting
the
lifetime
from
this
work.
That
is,
that
is
contractually
agreed
upon.
E
I
I
B
G
E
C
G
B
E
B
All
right
so
that
may
be
included
in
what
uh
council
lindell
is
talking
about,
so
that
we
can
keep
track
of
really
what
companies
are
doing
a
good
job
and
which
ones
we
really
have
problems
with
um
a
year
six
months
a
year
and
a
half
down
the
road.
I
think
that's
what
we're
looking
at.
So
not
only
the
people
we
contract
with,
but
people
that
private
plumbers
are
probably
working
with
as
well.
N
B
B
E,
I'm
sorry
item
g,
which
is
consideration
of
resolution,
number
20-21
um
hosting
community
conversations
and
establishing
a
special
city
committee
on
santa
fe's.
Cultures,
histories,
art,
reconciliation
and
truth.
um
I
know
the
mayor's
on
as
well
as
councilwoman
romero
worth
uh
mayor.
Is
there
anything
you'd
like
to
say
before
we
take
any
action
on
this.
O
B
F
B
O
F
Okay,
I
appreciate
that
clarification
counselor.
um
I
would
ask
that
if
we
do
want
to
engage
any
staff
from
either
any
departments
outside
of
the
two
listed,
that
we
at
least
bring
it
to
the
council's
attention,
because
I
think
um
I
I
don't
want
us
to
get
into
a
situation
where
staff
from
other
departments
be
brought
into
the
process
and
it's
not
brought
to
the
governing
body's
attention.
F
um
So
next
question
I
have
is
in
regards
to
outcomes
and
objectives.
So
in
uh
page
two
in
the
line
one
and
the
first,
uh
I
think
it's
the
first
bit
where
they're
resolved
um
we'll
talk
about
outcomes
and
objectives.
Is
there
any
reason
why
we
haven't
determined
what
that
is
before?
We
agree
to
this
because
I'd
hate
for
us
to
get
into
a
situation
where
um
the
outcomes
and
objectives
aren't
necessarily
what
um
maybe
the
governing
body
had
thought
they
might
be.
F
B
Sponsors
um
I'll
take
that
one
on
and
really
as
a
community
led
discussion.
We
don't
want
to
predetermine
our
own
biases,
our
own
thoughts,
our
own
ideas
of
what
should
come
out
of
this.
We
want
the
committee
or
I'm
sorry,
the
community
to
be
able
to
decide
for
themselves
through
this
discussion
through
mediation
and
other
help,
really
what
those
outcomes
and
objectives
are
the
more
we're
involved.
The
more
it
appears,
which
is
what
you
were
trying
to
avoid
in
the
first
resolution,
is
us
having
a
predetermined
outcome
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
avoid.
B
F
F
F
So
I
think
at
minimum
that
should
be
one
of
the
objectives
is
to
really
provide
some
guidance
to
the
governing
body
in
regards
to
what
the
future
of
monuments
and
statues
look
like
in
the
city
of
santa
fe
we're
not
necessarily
looking
for
um
we're
and
we're
not
necessarily
telling
them.
We
want
the
outcome,
we're
saying
we
want
you
to
provide
input
on
this
particular
subject.
B
um
uh
Council,
garcia,
I
think
we
just
want
to
open
uh
dialogue
and,
if
that's
part
of
the
discussion,
then
that's
part
of
the
discussion.
If
it's
more
about
history,
if
it's
stories
about
how
you
grew
up
and
and
how
you,
what
the
plaza
means
to
you,
if
you
want
to
talk
about
money,
it's
it's
all
open
and
for
us
to,
I
think,
set
those
outcomes
or
objectives
then
really
defeats
the
purpose
of
listening
to
the
community.
C
F
um
I
think,
ultimately,
that
is
going
to
lead
to
more
frustration,
and
I
think
that
it's
it's
incumbent
of
us
to
at
least
give
some
direction
to
the
community,
we're
not
trying
to
put
words
in
their
mouth.
um
I
I
think,
by
keeping
it
open-ended
in
regards
to
as
part
of
the
facilitation
process
that's
proposed
here
have
one
of
the
topics
be:
um
you
know,
monuments
and
statues.
What
do
they
mean
to
you?
What
what
do
you
not
like
about
them,
etc?
F
um
I
think
it's
critical
that
we
collect
that
information,
because
what
we've
seen
over
these
past
six
months
with
the
beginning
of
the
call
for
the
removal
of
the
obelisk
and
the
vargas
statue
and
the
kit
carson
memorial,
um
we
saw
further
actions
um
in
regards
to
um
removing
the
name
of
certain
buildings.
um
I
I've
saw
removing
the
name
of
street
names
um
and
I
think
we
we
want
to
in
some
sense
provide
some
clarity
for
the
community
and
um
without
that
we're
we're
not
confronting
the
issue
at
hand.
F
We
as
a
governing
body
are
not
willing
to
take
a
stand
and
say:
look
we
want
to
address
this,
provide
some
context
and
information
to
us
that
way.
We,
the
governing
body,
can
make
a
decision
because,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
whatever
recommendations,
the
community
puts
forth
that's
fantastic,
but
we
will,
as
the
governing
body
will
be
charged
with
making
decisions,
and
I
think,
as
a
person
who
has
the
responsibility
of
making
an
informed
decision.
F
F
O
Sorry
uh
9
through
12.
uh
it
talks
about
the
community
dialogue
sessions
uh
and
I
think,
what's
being
contemplated
in
the
language
that
you
cite
um
in
terms
of
uh
achieving
desired
outcomes
and
objectives.
The
the
idea
would
be
the
ob,
the
uh
outcomes
and
objectives
of
this
resolution,
which
I
think
to
counselor
rivera's.
uh
First
answer
was:
we
want
this
to
be
an
open
process.
We
don't
know
where
it
leads.
O
We
want
the
community
um
to
provide
that
direction,
um
but
to
be
clear,
you
know
we're
what
what
we're
talking
about
here
is
in
lines
9
through
12,
where
it
says
be.
It
further
resolve
that
the
community
dialogue
sessions
will
be
designed
to
promote
broader
cross-cultural
understanding,
racial
equity,
healing
and
reconciliation,
and
to
inform
decisions
for
statutes
and
monuments,
as
well
as
short,
medium
and
long-term
responses
for
community
healing
and
reconciliation.
O
F
F
Who
is
going
to
determine
who
the
hired
facilitator
is
which
which
individual
will
be
charged
with
making
that
decision?
Will
the
governing
body
uh
have
an
input
in
that?
Is
it
going
to
be
one
person
making
that
decision?
Who
is
going
to
be
ultimately
the
person
that
chooses
and
decides
that
that
individual
or
individuals
or
organization,
whatever
it
may
be,.
O
And
mayor,
if
you
want
to
jump
in,
I
don't
want
to
step
on
toes.
um
I
think
that's
where
the
city
project
team
comes
in,
they
would
be
the
ones
we
do
have
some
recommendations
of
people
in
santa
fe
uh
that
are
um
known
to
some
of
the
folks
who
have
done
this
process
in
albuquerque
uh
with
similar
backgrounds
and
skill
sets
uh
to
facilitate
the
um
the
the
process
that
we're
imagining
here.
So
I
think
it's
the
city
project
team
that
uh
would
be
uh
going
out
to
to
figure
out.
F
um
But
I
know
that
we've
got
lots
of
fine
and
experienced
facilitators
in
our
community,
and
so
I
didn't
know
if
we
were
going
to
open
it
up
to
who
whomever
felt
that
they
can
help
with
this
process,
because
I
do
ultimately
see
this
potentially
kind
of
as
a
all
hands
on
deck
process.
We
want
to
ensure
that
um
if
an
individual
organization
feels
like
can
they
can
be
a
value-added
to
this
process.
F
We
can
figure
out
if
how
we
can
might
involve
them
in
this
process.
So
um
I
would
just
encourage
that
that
we
um
not
lose
sight,
and
I
know
that
and
uh
like
I
said
the
folks
from
the
city
that
led
the
city
of
albuquerque's
process
were
highly
qualified,
but
we
wanted
there
also
see
if
there's
also
other
individuals
in
the
community.
F
um
So
next
question
is
in
the,
whereas
on
page,
two
line
six,
um
it
talks
about
the
convening
of
community
dialogue
sessions
and
the
way
a
sponsor
kind
of
explained
it
to
me
was
that
organizations
would
sign
up.
Individuals
would
sign
up
to
participate
in
these
processes
and
they
would
go
through
a
facilitated
process.
These
these
three
steps
that
are
later
uh
kind
of
itemized.
F
A
organization
b
does
the
same
organization,
c,
d,
f,
g
and
they're?
All
siloed,
I
think
it
needs
to
be
cross
mixed
and
and
a
very
organic
mixture,
and
we
need
to
ensure
that
that
happens
and-
and
my
question
is:
how
can
we
ensure
that
that
happens
with
this
process,
because
I
think
one
of
the
challenges
that
was
seen
with
the
city
of
albuquerque's
process
was
that
there
was
not.
F
O
We
have
met
um
several
times
with
the
city
project
team
and
the
facilitators
who
led
the
albuquerque
process,
and
this
question
did
come
up
and
I
think
we
are
the
beneficiaries
of
the
fact
that
they've
already
implemented
the
process
they
created
and
they
did
it
in
a
very
short
period
of
time.
They
created
it
and
they
implemented
it
and
they
brought
recommendations
forward
to
their
city
council
in
four
months,
hindsight
being
2020.
They
wish
they
had
had
more
time.
O
um
But
to
get
back
to
your
question,
counselor
the
the
way
that
they
addressed
this
issue
is
they
had
so
they
had
conveners.
They
had
people
who
went
out
and
and
and
looked
for
uh
organizations
and
and
people
to
participate,
and
what
happened
is
there
are
three
sessions,
so,
let's
say
you're
a
member
of
an
organization,
let's
say
you're
part
of
the
historic
santa
fe
foundation,
and
you
have
a
group
of
people
who
you
who
want
to
participate
in
these
community
dialogues,
and
you
think
that
they,
you
know,
for
whatever
reason
they
they
are.
O
They
did
in
albuquerque
to
to
address
the
concerns
that
you
are
bringing
up.
Is
they
then,
in
the
second
and
third
dialogue
sessions,
mixed
people
between
the
organizations
um
so
that
they
weren't
siloed,
so
that
we
they
got
exactly
what
you're
talking
about
which,
which
is
this
cross-cultural
understanding
and
hearing
uh
other
perspectives?
O
And
these
are
all
facilitated,
but
you
come
in
the
door.
Sort
of
uh
in
a
safe
space
is
what
I
would
call
it,
and
until
you
get
and
you
have
that
opportunity
to
get
used
to
what
this
process
is
going
to
be
about
you
buy
into
it,
because
you
found
the
conversation
had
value
and
then
you
continue
on
in
the
second
and
third
rounds.
But
in
those
rounds
you
wouldn't
necessarily
be
only
with
the
people
of
your
own
organization.
O
In
addition,
the
resolution
contemplates
two
public
sessions
for
members
of
the
general
public
unaffiliated
with
any
organization
to
participate.
Now
there
may
be
such
demand
for
this,
that
there
are
more
than
two
sessions,
but
there
should
be
at
least
two
sessions
two.
I
think
what
one
of
our
staff
people
called
cohorts
when
you,
when
you
consider
that
that
that
there
are
three
dialogue
sessions
within
a
cohort
cohort,
um
and
so
again
you
can
come
in
through
any
organization
that
you're
affiliated
with
that
wants
to
participate.
O
F
uh
Thank
you
councilwoman,
but
unfortunately
it
doesn't
because
I
believe
the
point
I
was
trying
to
make
is
the
information
drawn
from
round
one
which
is
focusing
on
personal
identity
and
stories.
It's
critical
and
I
will
repeat
it's
critical-
that
our
community
members
understand
each
other's
personal
identity
and
stories
that
doesn't
shouldn't
happen
in
round
two.
F
O
um
If
I
can
again
point
you
to
some
of
the
language
in
the
in
the
resolution,
that
might
be
helpful
to
alleviate
your
concerns,
um
I
I
would
look
at
page
2
lines
17
through
22
that
outline
the
community
dialogue
sessions.
uh
It
says
the
community
dialogue
sessions
will
consist
of
three
sessions
as
follows:
round
one
councilwoman.
O
O
Building
on
round
one
and
round
three
will
focus
on
generating
solutions,
recommendations
and
responses.
I
I
completely
agree
counselor
garcia.
What
you're
saying
is
we
don't
want
echo
chambers?
We
want
cross-cultural
understanding,
it's
part
of
the
value
of
this
process.
I
completely
agree
with
you.
Thank
you.
F
O
F
um
I
think
we
have
some
colleagues
on
the
council
that
could
at
least
at
minimum-
and
I'm
not
saying
drive
the
survey
but
at
least
look
at
it
see
what
might
help
to
draw
information
and
to
completely
disregard
some
of
the
expertise
and
experience
that
the
governing
body
has.
um
I
think
it's
uh
you're
you're
not
utilizing
the
tools
in
the
tool
belt,
so
to
speak.
F
P
P
I
think
what
happened
was
as
described
by
councillor
romero
wirth,
the
governing
council
of
albuquerque
didn't
say
they
wanted
to
take
over.
As
you
put
at
the
keys.
What
they
said
was
go
back
and
get
more
input.
We
thought
they
felt
that
the
process
had
not
been
given
enough
time
to
generate
the
kinds
of
input,
the
scale
of
input,
the
diversity
of
input
that
would
make
them
comfortable
with
what
is
ultimately
a
very
going
to
be
a
very
difficult
challenging
political
vote.
So
your
your
mischaracterization,
I
can't
allow
to
stand.
P
Rather
than
trusting
open
and
honest
dialogue,
the
more
the
city,
council
and
or
the
mayor
insist
on
micromanaging
or
getting
involved
in
reviewing
and
producing
and
vetting
materials
that
would
go
out
to
the
public
or
engaging
in
editing
that
material.
I
think
the
more
we
risk
tampering
with
what
ought
to
be
a
hands-off.
F
F
The
community
is
going
to
provide
their
input,
which
is
going
to
be
invaluable,
to
be
making
that
decision,
but
we
want
to
ensure
that
we're
collecting
the
appropriate
information
so
we're
not
trying
to
uh
form
ideas
of
folks.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
draw
information
based
off
of
the
the
criteria
we're
going
to
be
needing
to
make
these
decisions.
F
So
with
that,
I
I
don't
think
it's
um
uh
would
be
mudding
the
water
dirting,
the
water
or
making
the
data
incorrect
should,
whether
it
be
the
governing
body
or
even
yourself
or
somebody,
take
a
final
look
before
the
city
planning
team
says:
hey
look.
This
is
the
information.
This
is
the
survey
that's
going
to
go
out
because
I
think
it's
incumbent
of
us
to
ensure
that
we've
got.
We
know
what
is
going
to
be
collected
because
there
might
be
critical
information
missed.
F
F
Page
three
line
eight
and
this
talks
about
the
individual
surveys
um
in
particular,
and
I
agree
if
we
can
accommodate
one-on-one
conversations
awesome,
because
in
the
day
and
age
where
covet
is-
and
we
want
to
ensure
people
are
safe.
Let's,
let's
ensure
that
we
can
do
that.
The
part
of
this
be
it
further
resolved.
I
don't
agree
with,
is
the
last
sentence
where
there
will
be
more
in-depth
questions
asked
um
to
me.
F
F
So
with
that,
I
don't
agree
with
that.
um
So,
let's
get
into
what
I
brought
about
at
the
beginning.
In
regards
to
you
know,
the
the
topic
of
this
resolution
was
brought
forth
because
we
were
getting
stuck
in
regards
to
developing
what
a
community
committee
would
look
like,
and
so,
when
we
get
into
the
we
it
further
resolved
where
it
talks
about
the
community
table.
F
So
with
that
what
what
parameters
are
set
for
this
community
table
this
community
solutions
table?
What
what
parameters
are
we
proposing?
What
is
it?
Is
it
going
to
say
everybody
that
went
through
steps?
One
through
three
is
going
to
participate,
which
could
be
potentially
thousands
of
people
or
are
we
going
to
say
um
you
know
the
first
hundred
what
I
don't
know.
Ultimately
I
guess
that's
the
question:
what
does
that
make
up
of
the
community
solutions
table?
Look
like.
O
O
The
community
solutions
table
shall
suggest
shall
suggest
solutions
based
on
a
combination
of
recommendations
for
session
participants
at
the
end
of
each
community
dialogue
session
in
albuquerque.
The
community
solutions
table
uh
was
about
50
people.
Now
again,
they
had
four
months
to
create
this
process
and
to
implement
it.
The
city
council
there
um
asked
some
of
them
commented
that
they
needed
more
community
participation
participation
because
of
the
pandemic.
O
O
That
puts
you
in
a
very
good
position
to
sit
at
the
community
solutions
table
and
and
have
a
wider
perspective
and
be
willing
to
to
hear
uh
people
who
maybe
aren't
like
you
or
or
come
from
different
places
or
have
different
stories.
Even
though
you
have
shared
values
and
uh
that
again,
the
albuquerque
table
had
50
people.
Now,
there's
been
some
concern
and
I
agree
um
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
have
uh
and
the
resolution
calls
for
uh
diverse
representation
on
the
community
solutions
table.
O
And
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
enough
time
given
to
the
process.
Now,
if
you
can't
be
at
the
community
solutions
table,
that
doesn't
mean
that
um
your
voice
won't
be
heard
one
we,
we,
the
facilitators,
will
be
uh
documenting
what
they
hear
at
the
community
dialogue
sessions.
All
of
that
is
fair
game
for
the
community
solutions
table
to
look
at.
O
And
what
makes
um
you
know
this
such
a
special
place
and
all
of
that
can
be
used
um
going
forward
to
contextualize
uh
the
the
the
things
that
come
after
this
process
and
anything
that
we
decide
to
do
moving
forward.
um
I
think
all
of
this
will
become
part
of
our
history
and
that's
why
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
variety
of
ways
for
people
to
participate
and
to
go
back
to
your
earlier
point
why
the
interviews
are
so
important.
O
F
F
O
O
F
F
I
I
strongly
believe
that
we
need
to
ensure
that
no
stone
is
left
unturned,
and
you
know,
including
ourself
in
the
process
in
in
some
sense,
is
it's
part
of
the
process
with
let's,
let's
get
that
elephant
out
of
the
room,
it's
because,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we're
going
to
be
charged
with
making
decisions
on
whatever
recommendations
are
are
had,
and
so
with
that.
Why
not
have
us
involved
in
that
process
of
sifting
through
that
information
hearing
from
community
members?
F
F
K
O
So
uh
when,
when
this
question
was
asked
of
the
folks
in
albuquerque
about
their
experience,
the
response
came
back,
we
chose
not
to
have
elected
officials
or
high-level
city
leadership
in
the
dialogue.
The
community
dialogue
is
meant
to
bring
community
members
into
productive
dialogue
with
each
other
to
consider
difficult
issues
related
to
history,
identity,
belonging
values,
representation,
historical
trauma
and
work
together
to
generate
solutions
and
recommendations
on
how
to
go
forward.
This
is
a
community
center
dialogue
as
soon
as
elected
officials,
city
leadership
are
part
of
any
dialogue.
O
O
F
Thank
you,
councillor,
garcia.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
In
response
to
that,
I
believe
that
their
response
was
solely
in
regards
to
steps
one
two
and
three
and
not
a
community
solutions
table,
because,
ultimately
I
I
believe
I
agree
with
that.
We
should
not
participate
in
steps
one
two
or
three
but
step
four.
The
community
solutions
table
why?
F
P
um
Couple
thoughts:
um
counselor
garcia,
started
this
round
of
questioning
by
saying
that
a
community
solutions
step
that
involves
the
voice
of
the
people
only
takes
us
back
into
the
challenge
we
had
with
picking
who
would
be
on
a
uh
truth
and
reconciliation.
Commission.
I
think
uh
the
exact
opposite
is
true.
P
P
P
Each
of
us
can
reach
out
to
specific
parts
of
our
city
and
encourage
more
people
to
engage
in
the
process.
Counselor
abeda
has,
for
example,
always
maintained,
and
I
think
this
comes
from
his
background
with
the
boys
and
girls
club
that
we
need
young
people
to
participate.
We
need
to
make
sure
there's
intergenerational
uh
representation
as
opposed
to
uh
having
it
be
uh
older
uh
residents
of
santa
fe.
So
there
is
it
is
it
takes
what
we
had
earlier
proposed
and
turns
it
upside
down.
It
makes
it
a
bottoms
up
open-ended
grassroots
democratic
process.
P
The
reason
to
allow
that
process
to
culminate
in
a
series
of
recommendations
is
to
me
self-evident.
We
want
people
to
be
able
to
take
the
work
they
invested
their
time
and
energy
in
and
bring
it
to
a
culmination
where
the
recommendations
are
forthcoming
from
the
people
of
santa
fe.
The
recommendations
are
impossible
for
any
of
us
to
predict.
P
They
may
take
us
in
areas
that
none
of
us
could
anticipate.
I
hope
it
will
be
the
kind
of
recommendation
where
we
are
genuinely
dazzled
by
the
creativity
and
uh
democratic
minds
of
people
in
santa
fe
who
can
generate
ideas
that
we
would
never
have
come
up
with
among
ourselves
once
we've
had
the
benefit
of
that
culmination
of
their
work.
P
Counselor
garcia
is
right.
We
have
every
opportunity,
as
those
recommendations
make
their
way
to
us,
to
go
back
and
review
all
of
the
raw
material.
All
of
the
the
documentation
to
revisit
the
dialogues
that
produce
those
recommendations
and
to
add
our
own
recommendations
should
we
so
choose,
but
I
think
it
would
short
circuit
a
process
that
really
does
lead
to
that
kind
of
community
problem.
P
Solving
where
the
voice
of
the
people
has
a
chance
to
result
in
a
specific
set
of
pieces
of
advice,
recommendations,
guidelines
that
they
would
offer
to
us,
and
then
we,
as
the
decision
makers
per
councilor,
garcia's
point.
We
are
in
a
position
to
review
the
material
that
led
to
those
uh
guidelines.
F
F
F
Because
I
do
see
this
as
a
process
where
the
deck
can
be
stacked
and
certain
populaces
or
demographics
or
age
groups
or
genders
or
whatever
it
may
be,
might
go
through
all
three
processes?
And
that's
all
that
goes
through
it
through
for
one
reason
or
another,
because
whether
it's
um
the
pandemic
has
impacted
their
participation.
F
um
Some
individuals
just
don't
want
to
participate
in
the
process
whatever
it
may
be,
and
I
guess
to
the
heart
of
my
concern
is
that
how
do
we
ensure
that
we
hold
true
to
whatever
this
community
table
looks?
The
makeup
is
truly
a
makeup
of
not
only
the
city
of
santa
fe,
but
our
surrounding
communities,
and
I
just
want
to
I
I
want,
I
think,
that's
the
critical
component
of
that
and
that's
why
I
said
well,
if
we're
going
to
put
too
much
onus
on
that.
F
You
know
how
we
feel
and
and
make
the
decision
and-
and
I
think,
steps
one
two
and
three
does
great
work
by
collecting
data
information
and
then
the
next
step,
and
I'm
not
saying
it
has
to
be
this,
but
I'm
I'm
throwing
out
that
proposal.
Why
couldn't
it
be
us
that
have
to
do
now?
Do
the
homework
based
off
the
information
provided
by
the
public
and
make
that
decision,
I'm
just
throwing
it
out
there
and
mr
mayor.
F
F
Yours
was
a
committee
of
the
chairs
of
committees
to
select
this
body
or
the
the
body,
and
the
prior
mine
was
an
autonomous
committee,
so
I
think
it
kept
and
I'm
not
going
to
stand
for
folks
keep
trying
to
degrade
me
by
saying
a
committee
to
select
a
committee.
My
committee
was
autonomous.
My
committee
was
not
going
to
be
elected
officials
making
decisions.
So
with
that,
I
wanted
to
make
that
clarification.
F
My
last
question
is
in
regards
to
page
4
line.
12
talks
about
the
members
of
the
governing
body
should
have
the
opportunity
to
participate
in
diversity
and
inclusion,
training,
either
individually
or
in
small
groups,
and
so
my
question
is:
why
is
it
the
only
the
governing
body?
I
would
highly
recommend
we
make
it
a
requirement
for
anybody?
F
F
F
B
I
look
forward
to
your
amendments.
um
I
will
say
I
see
a
couple
hands
up
and
mr
uh
virgil
is
one
of
them
and
um
we
don't
take
questions
at
this
time.
Mr
vigil,
this
is
the
time
for
the
governing
body
to
deliberate
ask
questions
um
as
you
just
saw,
so
we
won't
be
taking
additional
questions
from
the
public,
but
thank
you
for
the
interest.
G
G
G
But
um
this
bill
is
just
fine,
but
I
think
the
public
might
want
to
know
to
know
that
because
there's
a
whole
lot
of
stuff
as
attachments
to
this
agenda
item-
and
I
don't
think
we're
doing
a
very
good
job
by
letting
the
public
know
what
the
heck
it
is
we're
doing
here.
So
my
understanding
is
that
from
here
on
forward
we're
just
doing
the
substitute
bill
and
the
other
stuff
is,
I
guess
out
the
window.
I
don't
know.
I
B
Q
I'm
sure
riveta
counselors,
we
don't
have
a
specific
rule
about
substitutes,
but
they're
essentially
a
really
large
amendment,
um
and
I
think
the
reason
that
we're
hearing
this
matter
at
the
committees
this
week
is
because
the
substitute
was
introduced.
um
So
I
do
think
that
having
this
committee's
recommendation
on
the
substitute
would
be
helpful
going
into
council
on
wednesday
night
and
then
there's
not
really
a
way
to
clear
the
slate
per
se.
G
um
So
some
of
the
testimony
here
tonight
is
well
albuquerque.
Does
it
and
it's
just
fine
and
dandy,
but
I
don't
think
we
should
be
swayed
by
necessarily
what
albuquerque
does
and
if,
if
some
of
this
has
come
from
there
fine,
but
I
don't
think
defending
anything
in
this
resolution
should
be
uh
you
know,
albuquerque,
does
it
and
and
that's
the
way
to
go.
G
G
I
do
appreciate
the
work
going
into
this
resolution,
but
it
is
hard
for
me
to
trust
it's
hard
for
me
to
trust
because
of
what
happened
last
june
and
and
there's
nothing.
That's
ever
going
to
excuse
that
nothing,
and
so
we
have
the
power
now
to
include
ourselves
in
something
very
important
in
this
resolution,
where
the
public
feels
and
uh
expects
us
to
have
some
authority,
and
you
may
recall
when,
when
when
that
happened
in
june.
G
Even
to
this
day,
this
city
council
was
held
accountable
and
we
are
accountable
and
we
we
should
make
sure
that
anything
we
do
here
forward
provides
that.
So
I
I
don't
you
know
it.
I
know
we
need
to
get
through
this,
and
but
I
I
tell
you,
I
don't
really
believe
that
you
know
just
throwing
away
all
to
to
others,
or
I
shouldn't
say
throwing
away,
but
just
handing
the
baton
to
others
is
is
always
the
appropriate
thing
to
do.
G
We
need
to
bring
some
checkpoints
back
into
what's
going
on
so
that
we
can
have
certainly
just
be
informed
and
so
that
we
can
uh
have
some
influence
about
how
this
should
be.
You
know
parceled
out,
er
and
how
you
know.
Where
do
we
go
from
here?
So
those
are
the
checkpoints
that
that
I
think
are
important
here.
G
G
We
we
let
that
train
loose
early
and
uh
you
know
there
were.
This
was
the
very
beginning,
the
very
first
phase
that
later
kind
of
got
set
aside
where,
where
there
were
invitations
to
groups
to
go
over
to
the
genoveva
chavez
center
and
and
they
did
post-it
notes
and
and
all
this
stuff,
and
so
then
all
that
was
compiled
and
what
we
learned
was.
We
missed
a
big
segment
of
population,
a
big
segment
and
there.
G
What
we
found
was
the
outreach
that
we
did
was
not
targeted
to
make
sure
that
the
people
who
this
affected
were
were
told
that
this
was
going
on
and
what
it
was
about.
Where
do
you
go?
Do
we
have
translators?
Do
we
have
uh
hearing
impaired
translators
as
well
and
and
all
that
went
very
wrong,
but
we
were
able
to
use
at
least
some
of
the
data
and
learn
from
it.
G
So
when
we
say
unaffiliated,
I
think
that's
very
exclusive
and
I'm
afraid
that
that
could
be
the
result
and
who's
going
to
decide.
Oh,
you
can't
be
in
this
room
because
you're
affiliated,
I
mean,
is
that
what
I'm
not
sure
you
know?
I
I
don't
want
to
charge
that,
but
that's
what
it
I
worry
about
and-
and
I
don't
know
why
we
just
can't
say
everybody
who's
interested
in
this
you're.
All
welcome!
That's
what
I
would
like
to
see.
G
G
um
I
too
was
concerned
about
who
this
project
team
would
be,
because
we
have
a.
We
have
a
great
deal
of
new
people
in
the
city.
We
have
some
that
may
not
have
experience
in
this.
I
really
don't
know
um
if
we
shouldn't
be
more
direct
in
how
these
people
uh
that
put
to
that
comprise
the
project
team
and
who,
who
they
choose
shouldn't,
have
some
degree
of
experience
and
it's
really
that's
really
important
and
and
then
you
get
into
this
survey
thing
and
and
surveys
are
very
scientific
documents.
G
I
mean
I
there's
they're,
so
scientific
there
are
classes
on
how
you
put
this
together
and
I
I've
taken
one
in
my
master's
class
brian
sanderoff
was
in
my
class
I
mean
it.
This
is
very
scientific
stuff.
So
when
you
develop
this,
it's
really
got
to
be
good
and
and
targeted
uh
to
be
sure,
you
reach
the
the
people
that
need
to
be
reached,
and
then
the
question
is
um
who
who's
going
to
tabulate
this,
because
that's
also
very
scientific.
G
How
is
that
going
to
work-
and
I
know
that
may
be
too
much
detail
to
put
in
a
resolution,
but
that's
why
I
would
feel
comfortable
with
checkpoints
along
here,
and
I
think
that
maybe
is
related
to
what
counselor
garcia
brought
up
when
he
said
you
know.
Let's
have
some
people
take
a
look
at
least
a
look-see
and
see
if,
if
you
know
a
meeting
of
the
minds
that
yeah
this
could
work
because
I
will
say
I
know,
there's
some
surveys.
G
G
um
The
first
word
open.
Okay,
so
a
number
of
community
dialogue
sessions
open
generally
to
com
community
members.
I
do
not
like
that
word
generally.
I
don't
think
that
we
should
have
anybody
lording
over
who
what
can
be
open
and
what
can't
so,
I'm
going
to
certainly
make
an
amendment
to
strike
generally.
I
think
that
sets
the
wrong
message
um
and
again
unaffiliate
same
line
unaffiliated.
I
think
we
need
to
do
a
better
job
with
that
that
word
unaffiliated.
G
um
I
worry
that
again
we're
not
going
to
get
the
people
that
we
need
to
get
now
uh
on
page
same
same
page,
starting
in
line
10
and
11,
and
I
know
uh
counselor
carol
romeroworth,
you
read
this,
but
that
doesn't
make.
That
line
doesn't
make
sense.
I
I
don't
know
if
we're
missing
a
verb
or
something's
wrong
and
reconciliation
and
to
inform
decisions
to
inform
what
about
what
decisions
I
that
doesn't
make
any
sense.
So
I
I
think
that
needs
fixing
not
sure
about
that.
G
I
had
uh
one
of
the
former
mayors
call
me
and
and
suggest.
Well,
if
you
look
at
line
13
to
16,
it's
pretty
much
saying
we
are
going
to
have
online
stuff
going
on
here
and
the
idea.
I
think
that
whole
idea
should
be
inversed
where
we
say
if,
if
we
can
have
these
in
person
and
and
reach
a
greater
audience,
except
if
we
can't
so,
I
think
it
if
you
change
the
the
reverse
of
this
language
that
make
you
know
this
is
going
to
last
a
long
time.
G
It's
going
to
take
a
long
time,
so
to
kind
of
put
the
emphasis
on
on
online
stuff
rather
than
in
person.
I
think
we
should
put
put
it
in
person
first.
Unless
we
can't
do
it,
then
it
would
be
online.
I
don't
know
that
that
just
to
me
that
part
of
that
make
would
would
seem
to
me
to
discourage
people
who
don't
aren't
able,
they
don't
have
computers.
G
uh
The
former
mayor's
main
points
is
people
have
to
be
included
and
in
order
to
participate,
uh
they
really
have
to
feel
welcomed,
and
that
means
without
any
financial
barriers.
So
I
think
sometimes
psychologically
the
way
you
say
things
makes
all
the
difference
in
the
world.
Even
if
you're
saying
the
same
things.
G
G
I
mean
I've
been
a
a
participant
in
our
culture
and
some
of
the
the
things
that
have
gone
on
in
this
city
since
childhood.
uh
You
know
I've
been
a
princess.
I
have
followed
the
the
the
fiesta
council
and
all
the
stuff
that
went
on.
uh
You
know
this
is
back
in
the
70s
and
and
I
still
feel
very
connected
and
very
involved,
and
it
has
affected
me
on
a
personal
level
and
uh
if
I
show
up,
I
don't
want
to
be
kicked
out.
G
I
I
this
is
more
to
me
on
a
personal
level.
At
the
point
of
group
discussions
and
such
that
are
in
here
that
that
I
feel
like,
I
should
be
able
to
express
my
own
opinion
uh
being
a
native
here
and
and
being
a
hispanic
and
having
participated
in
all
these
meaningful
roles.
So
um
that's
that's
important
to
me,
and,
and-
uh
and
so
I
just
want
to
give
you
notice
on
that.
G
I
do
I
did
have
some
circling
around.
You
know
the
community
solutions
table
and
who
picks
those.
I
that
goes
back
to
making
sure
that
people
who
are
in
these
roles
have
the
experience
and
the
knowledge
to
do
this.
It's
really
important
to
start
right
from
the
very
beginning
you
know
from
down
to
who
can
who
conducts
the
interviews?
G
We
need
to
be
real,
mindful
about
including
the
public,
whether
they're
participants
in
a
round
table
or
any
of
these
processes
that
are
built
here
in
that
that
the
public
still
knows
what
we're
doing
and
because
we're
in
in
pandemic
and
all
this
stuff.
I
think
we
have
to
work
twice
as
hard
to
make
sure
that
this
happens,
or
else
we
will
get
to
the
end
of
this,
and
we
will
have
solved
nothing
and
that
goes
back
to
counselor
garcia's
point
about
setting
goals
and
objectives.
G
If
you
don't
know
where
you're
going
then
you'll
end
up
somewhere
else,
and-
and
uh
you
know
all
this
could
just
be
blowing
up
in
our
face.
If
we're
not
number
one
involved
as
a
governing
body
to
kind
of
spearhead
and
keep
make
sure
everything's
on
the
right
direction
and
then
two
to
make
sure
that
when
this
is
all
over
we're
not
still
stuck
in
the
same
place
with
monuments
that
are
hidden
uh
in
somebody's
warehouse
and-
and
you
know
uh
something
in
the
middle
of
the
plaza-
that's
tacked
nailed
on
with
plywood.
G
G
G
This
should
be
non-recurring,
money
and
and
there's
if
an
fir
is
filled
out
correctly,
it
should
say
recurring
or
non-recurring,
and
I
understand
that
finance
department
has
had,
has
strict
rules
about
firs
now
and
that
people
filling
them
out
have
to
say
if
this
money
is
recurring
or
non-recurring.
I
see
this
as
non-recurring
money
and
um
I
also
don't
know
how
276
000
was
arrived
at.
If
there's
no
detail
that
I
could
see,
maybe
there
is,
but
I
didn't
see
it.
So
um
I
don't
know
if
anybody
here
knows
the
answer
to
that.
G
O
O
O
O
You
know
10
of
these
cohorts
of
community
dialogue
sessions
or
we
have
you
know:
30
people
so
far,
who've
completed
three
community
dialogue
sessions
and
are
ready
to
serve
on
the
community
solutions
table.
uh
When
we
get
to
that
point,
it's
it's
that
kind
of
information,
because
we
don't
want
to
have
a
chilling
effect
on
the
the
public
dialogue.
We
want
to
step
back
a
bit
from
that.
So
I
hear
you
counselor.
O
I
I
do
think
we
need
to
to
uh
possibly
put
something
in
here
um
about
uh
you
know,
making
sure
that
we're
helping
people
in
the
community
and
the
council
itself
understand
um
what's
happening
uh
with
regard
to
this
process
and
just
mr
chair
one
more
piece
on
this
I'd
like
to
read
page
four
lines.
Fourteen
through
sixteen
be
it
further
resolved
that
this
is
the
beginning
of
an
ongoing
effort
to
learn
and
understand
our
complex
histories
and
stories
and
to
promote
truth
healing
and
reconciliation
for
a
future
of
peace
and
justice.
O
I
I
I
I
I
Bring
an
amendment,
let
us
all
take
a
look
at
it.
um
I
think
everyone
here
wants
the
best
outcome
possible,
but
I
also
think
that
we
need
to
be
careful
not
to
politicize
this
and
not
to
go
too
far
into
the
weeds
and
to
trust
our
community
to
have
a
good
process
and
to
be
respectful
and
compassionate
with
each
other.
So
I'm
going
to
support
this
chair,
um
I'm
ready
to
make
a
motion
if
we're
at
that
point,
or
I
see
that
counselor
abeyta's
hand
is
up
so
I'll
hold
off.
N
Counselor
beta,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
um
I'll
just
start
with
the
resolution
first
and
specific
items
in
the
resolution
and
then
uh
my
general
comments
and
feelings.
First
of
all,
um
regarding
uh
there's
been
a
lot
of
talk
about
mistake
who
and
items
lines
six
through
eight
and
it's
my
understanding
and
one
of
the
reasons
I
support
the
resolution
is
that
uh
there
will
be
convening
of
community
dialogue
sessions
with
organizations
and
organizations
can
do
that
by
themselves
and
I
think,
that's
very
important.
N
Maybe
if
we're
successful,
we
may
need
more
time,
because
there
is
so
much
participation
and
dialogue
and
a
lot
of
uh
interest
by
all
these
parties,
but
for
now
maybe
it's
good
to
leave
the
december
31st
date
in
there
so
that
we
do
get
going
um
as
far
as
the
budget
276
thousand
dollars.
uh
I
received
an
email.
N
I
don't
know
if
the
entire
council
has
yet,
maybe
because
I'm
the
chair
of
finance,
but
we
do
have
a
breakdown
of
the
276
000,
with
a
description
of
the
different
amounts,
and
so
if
we
can
be
sure
to
get
that
to
all
of
the
council,
that
would
be
great.
Like
I
said,
I
might
have
gotten
it
being
the
chair
of
finance
and
since
we
have
finance
tomorrow,
so
we
do
have
that.
N
I
think
that
when
we
started
with
the
first
resolution,
the
feedback
I
got
from
lots
of
members
of
the
public
was
their
concern
was
somehow
the
committee
was
going
to
be
stacked
with
allies
of
one
side
or
the
other,
and
so
I
I
heard
that-
and
I
think
this
this
eliminates
that
so
that
there
isn't
that
concern
about
a
committee
being
stacked
and
then
some
like,
I
said
some
side
getting
their
way
uh
through
that.
So
I
I
agreed
okay.
Well,
then,
let's
remove
the
whole
committee
uh
process
itself.
N
um
I
think
this
is
a
a
leap
of
faith.
We
don't
have
all
the
answers,
but
I
don't
think
there's
anything
that
precludes
us
from
coming
back
and
saying
we
were
wrong
or
we
need
to
pivot,
or
we
need
to
make
adjustments
to
this,
but
we
have
to
get
started.
I
think
gentlemen,
like
miguel
gabaldon,
who
has
come
to
meeting
after
meeting
committee
and
council
is,
has
been
waiting
patiently.
N
N
Sometimes
you
have
to
admit
you
don't
have
all
the
answers
and
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
figure
it
all
out,
and
you
have
to
step
back
and
let
in
this
case
the
community
step
forward
and
uh
and
and
get
meeting
and
and
give
a
put
their
best
forward.
There
was
comments
about
again.
We
know
what
you
know,
what
to
do:
you're
an
elected
official.
N
uh
You
know
what
we
want
and
I
I
agree
with
councillor
lindell
I
and
myself
I've
I've
heard
from
different
sides.
Some
people
are,
they
want
the
obelisk
put
back
up,
others,
don't
my
own
family
there's
disagreements
with
what
to
do
about
statues
and
monuments,
depending
on
on
who
you
speak
to.
So
I
think
there
really
does
need
to
be
a
community
dialogue
and
I
think
it
has
to
include
uh
all
members
of
the
community.
N
uh
As
everybody
knows,
I
work
with
youth,
but
I
think
it
was
councilwoman
v
hill
copler,
who
brought
up
a
good
point
that
I
didn't
that
I
didn't
realize
that
there
is
the
older
generation
that
don't
feel
comfortable
on
zoom
or
doing
these
things
and
I'm
like
oh
yeah,
that's
right,
there's
so,
but
uh
so
I
think
they
were
all
good
comments
tonight.
I
don't
think
this
resolution
is
perfect
far
from
it,
but
I
think
that
if
we
just
get
started
uh
then
I
I
think
hopefully
we
can
get
there.
N
R
R
um
I
think
it's
just
helpful
to
know
that
I
guess
what
I
want
to
say
is
that
I
was
not
happy
with
the
first
resolution.
I
thought
it
was
divisive
and
already
setting
up
binaries
between
different
types
of
groups,
and
it
was
definitely
top
heavy,
and
I
think
this
is
a
better
start
to
looking
at
ways
with
this
substitute
resolution
that
there's
um
a
better
path
forward
with
it.
It's
not
perfect,
but
I
think
there's
some
ways
that
we
can
add.
R
B
I
don't
see
none
I'll
I'll
make.
One
final
comment.
I
think
counselor
beta
said
as
well.
I've
been
on
the
council
for
nine
years.
I
have
never
seen
the
perfect
resolution
come
out
and
you
know
this
one
may
have
some
holes
in.
It
may
have
some
questions
even
after
all,
the
amendments
are
accepted
and
we
put
a
finished
product
out.
They'll
still
be
something
that
uh
we
question
or
we
have
concern
about,
or
we
have
um
some
ideas
that
maybe
it's
not
gonna
work
so
well,
but
we
do
the
best
that
we
can.
B
We
put
our
best
foot
forward.
We
we
hope
for
best
results,
and
then
we
make
adjustments
as
we
need
to.
uh
We
still
see
ourselves
doing
that
with
short-term
rental.
That
has
been
a
process
for
many
many
many
years,
and
this
might
be
a
process
for
uh
six
months.
It
might
be
a
process
for
a
year,
maybe
a
year
and
a
half,
but
we'll
we'll
do
our
best
to
figure
it
out
and
even
at
the
end
it
might
not
be
the
perfect
product,
but
hopefully
it's
something
good
that
we
can
all
live
with.
B
N
G
D
uh
Thank
you
for
the
question.
Counselor
coupler.
um
We
have
interviewed
for
john
romero's
position,
the
engineering
division
director
and
uh
we
did
select
a
candidate.
We
had
two
good
candidates
and
one
we
think
of
really
excellent
candidate,
and
so
we
haven't
made
the
offer,
but
it
should
happen
this
week.
um
So
that's
exciting.
D
uh
We
advertised
the
traffic
engineer
position
for
the
fifth
time
in
two
years
and
got
no
qualified
applicants,
so
um
I
am
reviewing
all
the
applicants.
We
had
already
increased
the
grade
of
and
the
pay
for
the
position
before
we
advertised
it.
We
updated
the
job
description
to
discuss
multi-modal
traffic
engineering,
um
so
we
were
really.
You
know.
D
We
really
thought
we
had
it
better,
positioned
to
have
a
better
result,
um
but
we'll
be
taking
a
look
at
the
fact
that
we
didn't
get
any
qualified
applicants
um
and
try
to
decide
what
our
next
move
is
on
that
for
the
traffic
engineer.
um
In
the
meantime,
we
do
have
wilson
and
company
under
contract,
providing
traffic
engineering
services
related
to
uh
design
review
for
new
developments
so
that
the
land
use
process
can
continue,
because
that's
a
really
important
piece.
D
D
So
we're
we're
really
trying
to
shape
this
uh
thoughtfully
and
uh
bringing
in
the
engineering
division
director
will
be
of
a
huge
um
win.
He
actually.
If
this
particular
candidate
accepts
our
offer,
um
he's
not
a
traffic
engineer,
but
he
has
uh
done
a
lot
of
very
large
uh
capital
development
projects
that
include
roads,
intersections
pedestrian
infrastructure,
bicycle
pad
as
well
as
facilities,
um
and
so
I
think,
he'll
bring
a
great
broad
range
of
experience
and
could
be
with
us
for
some
time
he's
a
he's,
a
mid-career
uh
professional.
D
So
how
many?
How
many
vacancies
have
have
you
had
a
lot?
Well,
as
I
said,
there's
um
there's
john
romero's
position.
There's
um
the
traffic
engineer
has
been
dating
for
years
ever
since
I've
been
here,
we've
been
trying
to
fill
it
and
never
had
a
qualified
applicant
um
sarah
anderson's
position
and
lad
lucero's
position
so
for
vacancies
and
they're
kind
of
right
in
a
line
in
engineering.
D
D
B
Again,
shannon
and
miss
wheeler,
so
we
can
have
some
safety
training
updates
that
have
been
done
at
each
of
your
areas.
That
would
be
great
and
then
hopefully
miss
wheeler
you'll.
Let
us
know
about
the
hopefully
feeling
of
uh
engineer
vacancy
um
at
our
next
meeting.
That
would
be
great
um
I'd
also
like
to
thank
everyone
for
the
discussion
tonight.
I
know
our
meetings.
Don't
typically
go
this
long,
but
um
I
think
it's
important.
B
B
uh
Just
you
know
echo,
uh
I
I
hope
what
I
try
to
say
all
the
time
uh
to
joe
and
christine
and
miss
diaz,
miss
wheeler,
mr
jones,
and
and
all
your
staffs.
I
am
so
honored
and
blessed
to
chair
this
committee,
because
I
think
we
deal
with
some
of
the
smartest
and
and
best
people
uh
in
in
city
government
not
say
that
we
don't
have
great
people
everywhere,
but
um
we
do
have
some
uh
bright
people
in
water
and
engineering
and
public
works,
and
it's
just
an
honor.
B
So
thank
you
for
a
great
2020
and
I
look
forward
to
a
great
20
21
um
and
then,
if
I,
if
I
let,
if
I
left
anybody
out
joe
beta,
we
seem
to
leave
you
out.
I
hope
I
said
your
name,
um
but
I
appreciate
you
tremendously
as
well
um
with
that.
Our
next
meeting
is
monday
january
25th,
2021
and
uh
we'll
see
you
all
wednesday
night.
We
are
adjourned
thanks.
Everybody.