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Myiasis
17:9
1709
artistic
lanes
I'd
like
to
talk
about
just
a
few
points.
First
thing
regarding
the
upcoming
Airbnb
ordinance:
there
has
not
been
adequate
stakeholder
engagement,
specifically
I,
always
never
emailed.
I
was
never
notified
and
huge
numbers
of
people,
everybody
who
is
an
Airbnb
host-
should
have
been
emailed,
and
that
was
not
not
happening
and
that
that
is
a
really
bad
flaw,
but
that
most
important
flaw
with
with
what
planning
land-use
is
doing
right
now
is
that
they
have
no
economic
analysis.
K
They
don't
have
economic
data,
so
they
don't
know
like
how
many
people
and
Airbnb
are
perhaps
like
homeowners
trying
to
pay
their
mortgage
or
like
myself.
Why
did
it,
which
is
like
trying
to
pay
off
mortgage
or
plan
for
my
retirement,
and
they
don't
know
how
many
are
like
are
like
people
who
are
property
management
companies
and
so
the
analysis,
this
isn't
really
based
upon
economic
development
or
the
actual
economics
and
I
really
appeal
to
counselors
to
make
your
decision
based
it
on
the
actual
economic
analysis,
and
this
came
out
on
planning.
K
Secondly,
in
addition
to
that,
why
is
there
such
a
rush
to
get
this
done
when
there's
been
a
completely
like
flat
Airbnb
in
the
city?
It's
hardly
going
over
two
years.
Why
isn't
there
a
rush
and
priority
plug
the
holes
of
the
1500
Airbnb
s
that
have
been
illegal
in
this
community
because
what's
happening
right
now,
is
people
are
doing
it
right
are
penalized
and
there's
no
analysis
of
like
how
about
1500
are
impacting
the
views
of
ran
use
in
the
director
of
land
use.
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You,
chair
I'm,
sorry
to
interrupt
I,
just
I'm
having
difficulty
downloading
on
the
prime
meeting
viewer
that
I
had
told,
which
is
item
B
I'm
having
a
hard
time
pulling
the
information
that
was
sent
to
us
earlier
by
Brad.
Could
someone
indicate
to
me
what
time
the
email
was
sent
by
him
today
so
that
I
can
pull
it
up
on
email,
Thank,
You,
councillor
Garcia?
Do
you
see
it.
B
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F
The
documents
and
the
order
of
the
layout
and
the
lack
of
a
cover
memo
are
very
hard
to
understand.
The
only
cover
memo
I
found
was
dated
2013
and
I'm.
You
know
I
just
I,
don't
know
why.
There's
no
cover
memo
explaining
what
exactly
it
is.
They
want
but
and
I
realize
there's
a
professional
services
agreement,
but
it
doesn't
answer
the
questions
that
normally
a
cover
memo
would
answer
so
I
know
the
request
is
for
something
like
a
hundred
and
ninety
nine
thousand,
but
I
don't
know.
M
M
M
We
would
like
to
renew
that
contract
for
one
year
due
to
the
pandemic
and
all
these
other
interesting
things
about.
Quite
we
didn't
really
have
time
for
an
RFP
I'm
asking
for
it
to
do
a
one-year
extension
and
then
we
would
have
an
RFP
for
these
services
for
FY
22
and
for
a
four-year
contract.
So
this
is
all
because
I
didn't
get
the
RFP
done
for
this
and
item
B.
F
M
F
F
M
M
I
M
M
F
I
understand
it,
but
uh
I
don't
want
to
see
this
kind
of
work
again.
I
mean
I,
don't
I
think
you
should
have
a
cover
memo.
I
should
I
think
you
should
explain.
I,
don't
think
you
should
just
assume
that
we
know
what
you
want
and
I.
Don't
think
that
the
public
really
understands
what
you
want,
because
it's
not
outlined
and
I
think
I
believe
that's
the
reason
for
cover
memos
to
explain
exactly.
M
M
M
We
reviewed
the
contract
or
the
renewal
of
our
insurance,
and
so
that's
what
our
presentation
is
tonight
is
that
we
she
also
know
I
said
I
was
gonna,
show
it
in
finance
and
she
wanted
to
make
sure
that
it
also
was
shown
in
public
works,
and
so
a
and
B
are
really
tied
together
there
their
hand
in
glove
and
so
I
didn't
know
when
you
wanted
to
show
this
presentation,
but
we're
prepared
to
go
through
that
either
with
item
a
or
item
B.
All.
B
B
Years:
okay,
if
you
could
get
us
that
information
or
I
have
somebody
from
procurement
get
us
that
information
send
it
to
me.
That
would
be
great
and
then
also
you
said
that
you
didn't
have
time
to
go
to
RFP,
which
is
why
you're
asking
for
another
extension.
So
does
the
law
allow
us
to
request
an
extension
if
the
contract
is
is
up.
M
Believe
I
ran
all
this
through
procurement,
chairman
and
I
believe
that,
because
of
when
the
mayor
had
issued
the
state
of
emergency,
that
procurement
is
allowing
certain
contracts
to
be
done,
they
have
to
be
done
prior
to
June,
30
or
July
31st.
We
only
get
a
30-day
extension
to
get
either
to
get
an
extension
or
to
do
the
RFP
I.
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O
Know
you're
gonna
have
losses.
It's
you
know,
loss
isn't
going
to
happen.
It's
just
trying
to
mitigate
those
losses,
so
they
don't
occur
over
your
retention
and
you're
able
to
really
give
what
you
have
in
your
retention.
So
you
first
column
a
is
your
policy
term
we've
only
gone
about
five
years
on
this
loss
trap
we've,
given
you
the
policy
number
four
travelers
in
this
case
autos
with
travelers
the
queue.
N
B
O
O
Column,
E
and
F
are
EF
and
G
actually
are
all
the
we've
just
broken
broken
the
claims
out
by
property
damage
claims,
bodily
injury,
claims,
medical
bills,
so
we've
just
broke.
The
TV
is
broken
him
out
separately
like
that,
and
so
we've
done
the
same
thing.
Any
lost
work,
lost
wages
claimed
you
to
an
auto
accident.
All
those
go
under
those
columns,
just
we've
just
separated
them
out.
So
your
column
I
sorry
go
ahead.
What.
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O
L
G
O
And
I
might
be
able
to
get
back
to
even
just
later,
I'll
go
ahead
and
text.
You
know
later
on
this
meeting
I
might
be
able
to
get
back
to
you
in
that
chair.
So
I'll
go
ahead
and
email
him
when
we
get
done
here.
um
Call
him
I
is
just
the
total
of
all
those
columns
that
say:
pay
its
of
efg,
will
total
to
column,
I
of
total
paid
so
and
then
column.
J.
Is
your
total
reserves
that
the
TPA
sets
for
each
claim
of
what
they
think
they'll
end
up
paying
on
that
claim?
O
That's
what
the
reserves
column
is
total
recoveries
is,
maybe
money,
they've
gotten
back
the
TPA
from
subrogation,
potentially
that's
what
total
recoveries
means
or
from
being
Shawn's
company
or
from
wherever
that
they
might
have
gotten
back
on
that
claim
that
the
city
didn't
have
to
didn't
have
to
pay
out,
for
so
you're
totally
incurred
is
what
what
has
actually
been
paid
out
on
a
claim
after
taking
the
fact
or
your
total
paid,
or
your
expenses
you're,
taking
away
your,
including
your
reserves
and
taking
away
any
subrogation,
Zoar
recoveries.
That's
what
total
incurred
is
on
column.
O
O
Column
n
is
your
loss
ratio,
which
is
your
premium
you're,
taking
your
total
losses
dividing
by
your
premium
to
come
up
with
your
loss
ratio.
So
your
total
incurred
was
five
hundred
seventeen
thousand
dollars,
but
your
premium
was
I'm,
sorry,
yeah,
four
hundred
and
eighteen
thousand,
which
puts
you
at
a
loss
ratio
of
one
hundred
and
twenty
three
percent.
So
anything
over
a
hundred
percent
is
not
going
to
be
good
because
you
are
paying
out
more
losses,
the
insurance
company's
paying
out
more
and
losses
than
what
they
collected
in
premium.
O
L
L
Premium
of
over
a
half
a
million
dollars
and
we
had
a
total
payout
of
a
hundred
and
thirty
seven,
so
that
comes
out
to
twenty
seven
percent.
At
what
point
do
we
start
to
get
a
discounted
premium
for
having
so
few
losses?
I
mean
that
that
was
a
very,
very
profitable
year
for
the
insurance
company
on
us.
O
So
the
insurance
company
doesn't
just
take
into
account
your
losses.
They
take
into
account
in
this
case
in
2019,
unfortunately,
but
the
marketplace
turned
sour
or
went
down
south
and
everything
started
to
hardening
because
of
especially
auto
counselor,
the
business
auto
mark
it
has
been
hardening
for
the
last
couple
years
of
actually
and
that's
due
to
high
losses.
Not
just
I
mean
we're
not
talking
about
the
see
we're
talking
in
general,
auto
losses
have
been
on
the
rise
and
not
only
is
auto
losses
on
the
rise.
O
It's
also
due
to
the
fact
that
it's
more
expensive
to
repair
these
autos
it
takes
longer
to
have
these
orders
are
those
repaired.
So
what
it
takes
longer
that
means
you're
having
to
use
rent
rent
other
vehicles
that
the
insurance
company
is
having
to
pay
out,
because
you
know
it
used
to
be
a
simple
fender.
Bender
is
no
longer
a
simple
friend
of
them,
fender
benders!
Well,
no
we've
got
cameras
in
our
car.
A
lot
of
electronics
in
the
car
police
cars
have
a
lot
of
stuff
in
it.
So
it's
not.
L
O
O
M
O
K
L
You
know
I
can
yield
the
floor.
I
guess.
The
comment
that
I
would
have
is
that
it
seems
like,
in
some
of
these
years
we've
paid
pretty
sizable
premiums
and
not
gotten
anywhere
near
in
payouts.
What
we've
paid
in
premiums,
particularly
this
last
year,
that
that
was
a
very,
very
profitable
year
for
the
insurance
company.
So
you
know
I
always
think
of
insurance
is
spreading
cost
out
over
time,
and
it
appears
to
me
that
the
insurance
company
does
pretty
well
at
covering
their
costs
with
a
sizable
amount
of
profitability
on
us.
F
F
If
you
add
it
all
up
over
the
years,
it
seems
like
we
should
have.
We
should
learn
from
this.
Like
you
know,
obviously
we
have
been
talking
a
lot
about
wastewater,
but
where
we
haven't
really
been
talking
about
our
sewer
pipes
and
and
those
things.
So
what
are
we
learning
from
that
with
these
pads
of
these
sewage
backups
and
the
other
part
of
this?
What
are
we
learning
about
manhole
covers
is:
is
that
something
where
manhole
covers
aren't
placed
back
properly
and
and
they're
wobbly?
F
M
Mr.
chairman
councilor,
the
hill
cobbler,
we
have
a
claims
committee,
so
every
claim
over
$15,000
is
reviewed
by
the
claims
committee
and
that's
made
up
of
public
works.
Public
utilities,
finance,
HR
city
attorney,
is
a
discretion
or
is
a
non-voting
member
and
the
city
manager,
and
they
review
all
claims
over
$15,000
and
approve
all
payments
from
fifteen
thousand
to
a
hundred
thousand.
Above
a
hundred
thousand
travellers
comes
in.
M
We
were
working
on
and
developing
a
reporting
system
last
year
that
we
split
risk
in
safety.
Risk
went
with
finance
where
it
been,
safety
went
with
HR,
mainly
due
to
safety
deals,
workman's
compensation
workers,
compensation
claims
and
due
to
the
confidentiality
nature
of
it,
the
HR
director
felt
it
would
be
better
if
workers
compensation
was
dealt
with
in
HR
and
safety,
and
so
that's
where
it
is
last
year
and
risk
was
in
finance.
We
are
working
together
to
try
and
figure
out
how
to
use
this
data.
We
use
this
data
internally
to
help
safety
guide.
M
F
It's
mainly
claims
review
rather
than
what
can
we
learn
from
this,
and
how
can
we
translate
this
into
capital
improvement
projects
or
specific
training
and
I?
Don't
even
know
we
have
a
training
officer
anymore,
not
a
safety,
but
training,
and
you
know
that's
the
only
way
this
data
can
be
useful
well
other
than
where
your
money
is
going.
F
But
you
know
how
can
we
lessen
our
claims
and
keep
people
safe
and
keep
our
infrastructure
up-to-date
and
know
where
it's
failing
example,
the
sewer
backups,
you
know
so
I
think
that
would
be
something
that
would
be
really
important
is
to
not
just
collect
the
data
and
refute
claims,
but
really
have
a
proactive
approach
to
how
to
get
the
city
moving
in
the
right
direction.
To
keep
from
having
these
claims,
be
these
accidents
and
such
be
repeated.
That's
all
mr.
chair,
thank.
B
G
You
mr.
chair
I
do
agree
with
with
counselor
vo
car
and
we
do
use
the
status
old,
so
each
year
wastewater
does
request
to
increase
the
contract
amount
for
route
control,
so
every
year
we
gain
not
just
additional
footage
that
is
treated
for
routes,
but
re
treatment,
which
is
proven
to
be
effective,
and
so,
in
addition,
we
have
me
ordinance
change
requiring
any
new
construction,
have
back
flow
valves
installed
on
on
any
home
that
comes
in
that
prevents
the
stoppage
from
going
into
the
homes
allowing
us
to
only
so.
G
The
older
homes
that
are
affected
by
that
poses
a
little
is
a
little
more
interesting.
I'm
I
think
it
is
easy
to
assume
that
when
you
see
claims
from
manholes
that
it
is
only
the
sewer
mammals,
but
I
would
also
believe
a
majority
of
the
a
mammal
is
really
any
rate
or
access
into
a
vault
right
from
so
that
I
think
that
term
is
used
a
little
loose
and
kind
of
groups
them
together.
I
think
it's
actually
relatively
very
few
actual
sewer
mammals
that
the
Rings
are
referring
to
I.
Think
it's
more
broad
than
that.
G
But
again
we
do
use
this
data,
we
look
at
them.
This
data
is
integrated
into
our
GIS
system
for
mapping.
It
manages
how
we
see
our
maintenance
programs
for
sewer
lines
identify
hotspots
and
what
cycle
each
each
section
of
of
sewer
line
falls
under
writing
in
which
which
lines
need
more
attention.
All
of
that
information,
along
with
video
camera
and
assessments,
all
roll
up
into
CIP
program,
where
we
do
priority
pipeline
replacements
and
high-risk
crossings,
so
it
is
all
integrated
together.
G
We
do
use
this
data
for
decision-making
and
we
do
monitor
claims
I
sit
on
the
claims
committee
and
feel
like
most
times.
I
can
I've
ou
know
my
ability
is
an
interesting
thing,
and
sometimes
it
does
seem
like
just
because
maybe
we're
not
liable
the
cost
right.
The
cost
of
being
innocent
may
be
more
than
than
the
city's
willing
to
pay
anyway.
So
there's
quite
a
few
factors.
My
apologists
were
going
on,
but
ultimately
I
do
use
this
differently
for
decision
decision,
driven
programs.
B
C
B
L
C
B
B
F
Do
they
start
like
$100
when
somebody
gets
I?
Did
the
first
time,
and
does
that
mean
the
next
day?
If
they,
if
they
don't
fix
it
and
I,
mean
kick
somebody
out
that
might
be
renting
on
that
day,
because
they're
found
to
be
illegal,
for
whatever
reason
do
they
get
a
hundred
dollars
a
day
or
do
they,
and
that
goes
for
the
two
hundred
and
five
hundred
but
I'll
just
say
with
the
one
hundred,
or
is
that
per
occurrence
like
how
would
this
work
in
real
life
with
timing?
F
P
Thank
You
chairman
Rivera
councillor,
Rihoko
I'd,
also
like
Sally
to
chime
in
on
this
too,
but
so
it's
it's
each
offense
is
is
a
findable
offense
that
can
be
interpreted
in
different
ways.
As
you
mentioned,
counsel
avail
coppler.
It
can
be
each
day
that
we
find
a
unit,
that's
operating
without
the
proper
licensure
or
registration
permit,
or
it
could
be.
P
You
know,
imposed
you
know
as
as
we
catch
somebody
operating
without
the
proper
approvals
okay
to
find
them,
for
you
know
that,
say
the
duration
of
that
rental
period
and
then
in
charge
future
penalties
if
they
continue
to
rent
to
new
guests
moving
forward.
So
there
is
some
discretion
there.
I
think
Sally
can
speak
to
the
specifics
of
that.
Q
The
way
it's
written
is
intended
to
be
flexible
so
that
it
could
apply
to
violations
of
the
land
use
code.
There
may
not
necessarily
be
a
short-term
rental
violation.
The
way
that
it's
written
it
says
that
each
act
subject
to
a
civil
find
constitutes
a
separate
civil
violation
for
violations
that
can
be
remedied
within
one
day
each
day
after
receipt
of
notice
of
violation
constitutes
a
separate
civil.
Q
F
Q
And
it's
a
delivery.
The
civil
citation
shall
be
posted
on
the
property
in
a
conspicuous
place,
semicolons
measure
options
delivered
in
person
or
mailed
by
certified
mail
return.
Receipt
requested
to
the
last
known
address
of
the
applicant
from
a
chi
owner
operator
of
short
term
rental
unit,
and/or
tenant,
as
so
there's
multiple
terms
of
delivery,
I
think
it
would
depend
on
the
type
of
violation
and
the
situation
and
the
circumstances
which
method
of
delivery
you
might
want
to
use
I
mean
if
it's
like.
You
have
built
a
fence
without
a
permit.
Q
F
So
if
someone
knocked
on
the
door
and
posted
a
fine
on
the
door
and
I'm
on
day,
two
of
my
rental
agreement
with
tenants
do
I,
do
I
get
$100
for
that
day
and
then
hundred
dollars
the
next
day
and
then
so
on,
or
is
that
100
.
do
I?
Kick
them
out
that
day
to
avoid
100
bucks
for
the
following
day?
How
will
that
work
in
real
life,
rentals.
Q
I
think
they
just
it
depends
on
the
circumstances.
In
your
example,
it
would
be
up
to
the
language
department
to
decide,
so
there
would
be
an
enforcement
officer,
probably
they
would
go
out
and
in
that
situation
I
think
you
would
want
to
contact
the
permit
chief,
so
I
think
you
would
be
sending
a
certified
mail
to
the
permit,
II
and
I
think
you
would
be
waiting
if
it's
permitted
short
term
rental
or
it's.
If
it's
an
unpermitted,
short-term
rental,
you
don't
have
that
it
would
just
depend
on.
Do
they
have
a
permit?
Q
How
do
we
get
to
that
person
how
we
actually
contact
the
person?
That's
that's
ranging
this
out,
but
because
it's
written
in
terms
of
being
able
to
remedy
it
in
one
day,
I
think
that
if
you've
got
somebody
in
there
for
five
days
and
you
can't
get
ahold
of
the
owner
like
we're
not
going
to
go
in
and
drag
out
a
renter,
you
know
and
I,
don't
think
it's
reasonable
to
expect
somebody
to
remedy
that
within
the
first
day.
So
I
would
think
that
that
would
be
a
single
$100
fine
for
renting
it
out.
Q
It
may
be
if
it's
two
weeks
or
something
so
where
you
have
time
to
get
them
out
of
there,
and
you
really
have
made
that
contact
and
made
that
notice.
But
if
it's
just
like
a
true
three-day
rental
and
it's
I
would
think
that
would
be
a
single
violation,
because
you
can't
really
remedy
that
in
a
single
day,
you've
got
people
in
there.
What
that.
F
P
Think
Thank
You,
chairman
Rivera
cuz,
every
Hill,
coupler
I,
think
what
your
first
question
highlights
and
I
think.
The
second
question
also
touches
on
the
same
topic.
Is
we
need
to
I
think
within
the
land
use
Department?
We
will
need
to
establish
a
set
of
policies
governing
how
these
citations
are
issued.
We
now
have
the
technology
to
track
the
citations
using
our
our
enter
gov
software
and
other
tools
available
to
us
here
at
the
city.
Now
we'll
be
able
to
do
a
good
job
of
tracking
I
think
you
may
have
noticed
in
the
draft
ordinance.
P
You
know
there's
a
provision
that
tracks
these
violations
within
a
36
month
period.
So
if
we
see
that
people
are
habitual
offenders,
I
think
that
may
also
impact
how
we
how
we
apply
these
provisions.
So
if
we're,
if
you're
a
first-time
offender
renting
without
the
proper
permits
and
licenses,
you
may
get
a
fine
for
that.
P
As
this
pie
has
alluded
to,
you
know
that
whole
rental
period
may
be
subject
to
one
fine,
but
if
you're
someone
we're
dealing
with
on
a
constant
basis,
you
know
are
the
sort
of
interval
at
which
we
are
issuing
citations
made,
may
increase
so
I
think
it
really
depends
on
situation
to
situation
and
I.
Think.
Well,
you
know
our
enforcement
officers
will
be
even
guidance
through
a
policy
through
policies
around
civil
penalties
that
we
have
yet
to
to
finalize
and
train
okay.
F
F
You
know
like
when
we
get
parking
tickets,
everybody's
treated
fairly,
it's
right
there,
black
and
white.
You
know
I
realized.
We
can't
quite
be
black
and
white
on
this,
but
it
would
be.
It
would
be
great
if
we
could
at
least
be
fair,
because
a
lot
of
people
out
there
are
watching
how
the
city's
treating
this-
and
this
is
gonna,
be
new,
and
so
it's
just
good
to
get
off
on
the
right
foot.
F
Thank
you
and
then
the
next
question
I
have
is.
With
regard
to
hearing
officers,
we
have
many
ordinances
where
hearing
officers
are
required
and
I
in
in
a
council
meeting
at
one
time,
I
recall
hearing
officers
actually
being
appointed
by
district
court
now
this
certainly
could
be
different
I,
don't
know
why
the
other
requires
that,
and
this
doesn't,
but
even
if
it
doesn't
where,
where
what
pool
of
hearing
officers
that
are
familiar
with,
you
know
real
estate
and
even
other
items
that
this
will
cover.
Where
are
you
gonna
get
those
hearing
officers?
Q
Counselor,
vo
:,
it
is
a
good
question.
I
know
that
in
the
past
we've
talked
about
trying
to
get
a
better
pool
in
terms
of
whether
it
would
be
one
pool
that
could
do
a
variety
of
different
types
of
proceedings
or
whether
they
would
be
more
specific
to
the
land
use
context.
I'm,
not
sure
we
haven't
talked
about
it.
Typically,
what
we
would
do
is
put
an
ad
and
like
the
bar
bulletin,
and
look
for
contract
attorneys
to
come
on.
Q
As
you
noted,
there
are
a
lot
of
ordinances
that
you
require
them
and
an
alternative
that
we
didn't
take
in
this
draft.
What
I
think
could
be
a
potential
potentially
worth
further
consideration
is
something
like
what
Albuquerque
has
is
a
full
independent
office
of
hearings
where
they
have
a
full
pool
and
more
specific
qualifications
about
what
those
officers
need.
Q
They
have
to
be
like
five
years
of
law
practice
and
a
variety
of
other
things,
but
because
we
weren't
sure
how
big
our
program
was
going
to
be
and
whether
we
really
had
the
volume
needed
to
do
something
that
sort
of
citywide.
That
proposal-
isn't
we
haven't,
made
that
proposal
at
this
time,
but
I
think
that
would
be
another
way
to
do.
It.
I
know
that
the
city
attorney
was
working
with
another
attorney
in
our
office.
Q
F
D
Q
Is
an
existing
provision
that's
already
in
there,
and
it
would
be
up
to
our
jurisdiction
as
a
municipality
which
is
set
by
the
Constitution,
and
so
we
are
allowed
to
impose
criminal
fines
of
up
to
$500
and
up
to
six
months
imprisonment
for
violations
of
pretty
much
any
of
our
ordinances.
It's
treated
as
a
civil
I
mean
a
criminal,
sorry
criminal
matter,
so
that
would
fall
just
within
a
regular
criminal
jurisdiction,
and
those
are
things
that
we
prosecuted
in
municipal
and
Municipal
Court
could
then
appeal
to
the
first
Judicial
District
right.
Q
Of
filing
the
citation
a
Municipal
Court,
but
once
it's
a
Municipal
Court,
we
do
have
a
prosecutor
there,
so
he
would
be
under
our
current
structure.
He
would
be
the
person
to
take
that
across
the
finish
line,
a
Municipal
Court
and
has
his
own
prosecutorial
discretion
in
terms
of
settling
with
the
defendant.
Dismissing
the
case,
he
doesn't
think
there's
sufficient
evidence
to
pursue
it,
taking
it
before
the
judge
and
to
the
conclusion
of
the
case.
So
it's
sort
of
the
initiation
in
the
land
use
department,
but
then
of
a
bump
over
to
the
municipal
courts.
D
Q
D
D
P
B
P
I
apologize
is
this
better?
Yes,
thank
you.
Okay,
thank
you.
So
we
we
haven't
notified
the
existing
permit
holders
because
we
are
still
in
the
process
of
drafting
the
proposed
amendments.
There's
nothing
to
say
that
once
these
are
finalized,
we
wouldn't
then
notify
people
of
the
new
rules
moving
forward.
It's
also
important
that
everything
that's
being
discussed
both
here
tonight
and
that
will
be
discussed
moving
forward
with
the
other
bill.
P
That's
currently
being
revised
our
perspective,
and
so
those
changes
will
impact
new
permit
holders
not
permit
holders
that
have
already
registered
or
have
a
permit
listed
with
the
city.
So
I
think
that
those
are
maybe
two
reasons
why
that
outreach
hasn't
happened
yet
um
I
think
also,
we
were
using
the
both
Planning
Commission
and
then
this
council
committee
process
to
notify
folks
that
are
current
ordinances
are
being
re-examined
and
looked
at
and
possibly
changed.
As
I
said
earlier,
once
those
changes
are
adopted,
we
would
then
notify
permit
holders
of
the
changes
in
how.
D
Okay,
thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
that
kind
of
a
follow
up
comment
in
regards
to
that
of
notifying
the
public
and
for
the
councillors
that
weren't
down
the
quality
of
life
committee
last
week,
I
had
proposed
that
we
implement
this
at
a
staggered
pace
in
regards
once
this
passes.
This
would
take
effect
30
days
after
passage
reason
being
that
majority
of
the
public
is
not
paying
attention
to
this
in.
In
most
instances-
and
you
know
when,
when
we
make
changes
where
there
are
civil
penalties,
we
do
have
a
delayed
enforcement
so
to
speak.
D
You
know,
for
example,
with
the
animal
ordinance
that
just
went
into
effect
I
think
yesterday
or
today
that
we
had
that
delay
so
I
think
it's
prudent
of
us
to
to
have
that
delay
or
for
this
additionally
I
think,
because
the
enforcement
process
is
not
in
place,
I
think
that's
been.
The
biggest
challenge
of
this
whole
process
is
enforcement,
so
not
only
having
these
structures
in
place.
What
we're
trying
to
put
with
this
these
changes,
but
there's
the
other
hand,
which
is
who
is
going
to
enforce
it.
So
that's
why
I
am
proposing.
D
Q
The
best
recommendation,
certainly
that's
enough
I-
think
that's
the
way
we
would
do
it
is
to
incorporate
an
amendment.
She
I'm
not
sure
how
we
normally
incorporate
an
effective
bill
if
there's
a
special
way
that
we
do
that
that's
a
bit
of
kind
of
legislative
magic
that
I'm
haven't
done.
So
it's
easy
enough
I'm
sure.
So
my
recommendation
would
be
to
work
with
Jesse
and
Jeff
to
incorporate
that.
Okay.
D
Thank
You
Sally
I
really
appreciate
that
just
it's
totally
fine
and
that's
why
I'm
asking
the
question
just
because
I
want
to
make
sure
we
go
through
this
process
and
and
include
at
least
where
I'm
I
think
is
fair
to
the
public
and
it'll.
Allow
us
to
get
everything
in
order
on
our
end
as
well.
Given
this,
is
it
going
to
be
a
huge
huge
change
for
the
city.
D
D
My
kind
of
follow-up
to
that
is:
how
does
it
affect,
though,
an
individual
who's
going
through
the
hearing
process?
So,
let's
say
an
individual
who,
for
some
reason
or
another,
is
issue
to
find
and
they
want
to
request
a
hearing,
and
that
is
not
there.
Gonna
get
a
hearing
the
next
day,
and
so
how
are
we
going
to
ensure
that
the
code
enforcement
team
is
not
racking
up
fines
against
somebody,
which
means
an
individual,
is
going
to
have
a.
D
P
Thank
You
Sherman,
Rivera,
counselors,
yeah
I,
think
you
know,
as
you,
as
you
mentioned,
I
think
there's
a
whole
suite
of
policy
and
procedure
decisions
that
need
to
be
made
that
this
is
certainly
one
of
one
of
those
questions.
I
know
Sally
will
have
some
information
as
to
you
know
what
you
know.
What
legally
happens
when,
if
the
case
is
before
a
hearing
officer
but
I,
don't
think
we
want
to
be
in
a
situation
where
we're
having
people
racking
up
new
penalties
while
we're
still
resolving
old
ones.
P
But
again
there
will
be
situations
where
that,
if
someone
is,
is
flagrantly
sort
of
flaunting
the
rules
that
we
don't
necessarily
want
to
take
that
option
completely
off
the
table
either
and
so
I
think
any.
We
need
to
put
some
concrete
policies
and
procedures
together
be
we
need
to
leave
some
flexibility
to
treat
everything
as
matter
so
that
we
are
being
effective
in
our
enforcement
and
then
I
think
see.
We
need
to
make
sure
we're
doing
things
that
are,
you
know,
legally
water.
D
F
You
mr.
chair
so
I
I
heard
you
say
II
like
that,
you
know
we
didn't
send
letters
to
the
permit
holders
because
we're
going
through
a
public
going
through
our
public
process
but
permit
holders
are,
are
also
the
public
and
and
so
I
know.
It's
probably
unwieldy
to
send
all
these
letters-
and
you
know
we're
on
we're
on
we're
not
really
in
the
office
and
all
that
stuff.
F
F
You
know,
stop
doing
this
and
apply
for
my
permit,
and
so
hopefully
you
know
that
would
happen.
But
anyway,
those
are
just
my
two
cents
and
I
I
agree
with
the
delayed
implementation
again
give
people
a
chance
to
get
their
act
together
and
then
then
then
hit
him
with
some
fines
all
right.
Thank
you.
Thank.
L
You,
chair
I'm,
just
gonna,
make
a
couple
of
quick
comments
here.
I
would
find
it
very
very
hard
to
believe
to
anyone
operating
a
short-term
rental
at
this
point
in
town
time
in
this
city
doesn't
know
that
they
are
supposed
to
have
a
permit.
They
have
blatantly
operated
without
a
permit.
They
have
cheated
us
out
of
our
revenues
and
I
just
find
it
impossible
to
believe
that
anyone
doesn't
know
that
you
were
supposed
to
be
permitted
to
be
operating
a
short-term
rental.
That
would
be
a
story
that
I
would
find
unbelievable.
L
We
have
had
article
upon
article
upon
article
in
the
newspaper
about
short-term
rentals
and
permits
so
that
one
really
doesn't
hold
much
water
with
me
that
people
don't
know
that
they're
supposed
to
have
a
permit,
and
there
are
people
that
have
operated
short-term
rentals
in
this
town
for
years
and
not
paid
us
one
penny
in
gross
receipts
tax
or
in
occupancy
tax,
and
that's
that's
cheating
us,
pure
and
simple.
So
those
are
my
comments
on
that
Thank
You,
chair.
F
Thank
You
mr.
chair
I,
I
I,
can
sympathize
with
council
in
Dale's
comment
like
I
do
think
there
are
some
people
who
do
know
that
they
should
have
a
permit,
but
I
mean
if
you
look
at
permitting
across
this
city,
not
just
short-term
rentals,
and
you
can
ask
me
like
because
there's
a
bunch
of
communication
I've
had
with
them.
F
There
are
people
all
over
this
city
who
are
working
on
their
houses
without
permits,
and
they
don't
know
and
and
they
get
red
tag,
and
so
the
only
people
who
are
enforcing
this
other
neighbors,
so
that's
kind
of
what's
happening
with
short-term
rentals,
but
there
there
are
people
who
don't
know
and
I
think
we
need
to
give
the
benefit
of
the
doubt,
because
that's
not
our
place
right
now.
What
our
place
is
is
to
make
sure
they
know
that
we
know
and
that
we
are
going
to
impose
funds.
So
that's
it.
Thank
you.
Thank.
D
D
Unfortunately,
the
city
has
not
enforced
our
rules
in
the
past
and
I
think
that
in
some
essence
has
left
a
lot
of
community
members
saying:
oh,
they
don't
care
they're,
not
going
to
do
anything
about
it
anyway.
It's
so
we're
changing
our
attitude
in
regards
to.
We
do
care
and
we
are
going
to
come
after
you
and-
and
we
are
going
to
find
you
and
I
think
we
owe
it
to
the
community
to
say:
hey,
look,
we're
changing
the
rules.
B
B
C
F
F
Just
have
some
questions
about
the
practicality
of
the
nuisance.
Ordinance
and
one
thing
came
to
mind.
It
does
say
you
know,
I
think
somewhere
and
I'm
sorry
I'm
kind
of
scattered
here,
but
somewhere
in
here
it
says
it
defines
what
the
gathering
is,
and
it
says
two
or
more
people
or
something.
But
there
really
is.
F
There
is
one
person
right
now
in
District,
two
causing
a
major
ruckus
and
it's
still
happening
to
this
day
and
and
this
should
apply
to
him
and
it
doesn't
seem
like
it
would
and
here's
an
example
at
2:00,
3:00
4:00
in
the
morning,
every
single
night.
This
person
goes
outside
and
starts
yelling
obscenities
and
hitting
metal
upon
metal
and
all
the
neighbors
go
outside
and
scream
at
him.
Do
you
know
to
be
quiet
and
there's
big,
you
know,
words
exchanged
back
and
forth
every
night
in
the
middle
of
the
night
district
2.
F
F
We
have
several
of
those
around
the
city
where
the
owner
doesn't
know
that
people
are
using
the
vacant
land
for
all
that
stuff
and
it
I
get
a
lot
of
calls
on
this
and
there's
I
know
that
they
do
the
police
department
reports,
but
they
just
have
the
ability
to
shoo
them
away,
and
then
they
come
back
and
the
police
departments
answer
is
I.
We
can't
do
anything
about
it.
There's
no
strength
in
the
law
to
do
anything
about
it
for
the
for
the
landowner,
so.
F
I
I
can
take
a
first
stab
and
then,
if
mr.
Prince
wants
to
jump
in
with
some
more
of
the
legal
implications
of
these,
so
I'll
just
I've
made
some
notes.
So
a
single
person
counselor
vo
:.
Yes,
what
apply
under
our
current
definition.
So
we
were
very
careful
to
keep
the
definition
fairly
broad
so
that
we
aren't
limiting
the
things
that
could
be
a
nuisance,
because
a
lot
of
different
things
could
be
a
nuisance.
I
Really
an
undefinable
amount
of
things
can
be
nuisances,
and
so
we
do
have
this
item
a
that's
pretty
much
a
catch-all
for
anything
that
would
affect
their
neighbors.
Essentially,
that
interferes
with
the
exercise
or
enjoyment
of
public
rights,
including
the
right
to
use
public
or
private
property,
so
that
I'm,
sorry.
What
cage
is
that
um
I'm?
Looking
at
the
brief
that
is
attached,
um
it's
in
the
very
first
section
of
the
brief
in
the
actual
ordinance
it
would
it's
in
the
definition
of
a
nuisance.
I
I
I
F
R
Thank
You
chair
body
that
uh
councillor
via
coppler
I
do
agree
with
Miss
fabiana's
assessment
of
the
scope
of
this
proposed
change
to
the
nuisance.
Ordinance
I
do
think
that
even
in
a
condition
or
a
situation
where
there's
just
a
single
person
or
was
the
cause
of
the
nuisance,
then
we
still
could
under
the
under
the
section
noted
by
Miss
Fabian.
We
still
could
move
ahead
and
have
the
property.
R
I
guess
I
think
the
ordinance
has
been
well
drafted
to
encompass
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
different
situations
either
by
with
a
single
person
or
multiple
people.
I.
Don't
have
really
many
concerns
on
that
respect.
But
I
do
understand
your
your
point
and
something
that's
something
I'll
look
into
or
consider,
but
I
don't
have
concerns
that
we
still
couldn't
pursue
a
single
individual
living
in
a
property
as
opposed
being
a
nuisance.
R
F
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
let's
say
with
this
man,
that
it
causes
that
disturbance
every
night
when
the
police
get
there,
and
it's
not
only
this
instance,
but
many
others.
They
won't
do
anything
because
the
the
person
wasn't
caught
in
the
act,
yet
every
neighbor
around
them
is
up
every
night
telling
them
to
shut
up.
I
Thank
You
councillor
mr.
chair
I,
think
one
of
the
great
things
about
this
new
rewrite
is
that
we
are
expanding
the
scope
of
what
a
nuisance
can
be
and
basically
where
a
nuisance
triggers
as
we're
calling
them
or
incidents
that
we're
calling
them
officially
are
being
drawn
from.
So
the
way
it's
written.
Currently,
the
current
ordinance,
basically
police,
have
to
determine
on
the
scene
if
it's
a
nuisance,
which
is
very
difficult
to
ask
police
to
do
because
they
don't
necessarily
have
the
record
of
the
property
in
front
of
them.
They
don't
miss.
I
I
That
gives
us
a
little
bit
of
discernment
because
there
could
be
times
where
there's
six
calls
to
a
house
that
aren't
isn't
necessarily
nuisance
or
there
could
be
instances
where
they're
severe
in
nature
and
less
than
six
calls
would
constitute
a
nuisance.
And
so
then
we
move
forward
in
the
process
the
abatement
process
and
engage
with
those
homeowners
and
those
property
owners
to
abate
the
nuisance.
F
Well,
it
says
here
that
it's
pretty
broad
where
it
keeps
them
from
enjoying
their
property,
so
in
this
instance,
it
keeps
them
from
enjoying
their
sleep
in
there
inside
their
property.
So
if
there's
ten
calls
I
mean,
is
the
the
who's
gonna
investigate
in
an
interview
the
neighbors
and
find
cooperation
that
this
probably
does
exist?
Is
that
something
the
police
department
will
do
or
who?
Who
actually
will
do
this.
I
Thank
you
for
the
question
counselor
mr.
chair
right
now.
That's
gonna
be
housing,
constituent
services
because
it
is
across
departments
and
so
basically
what
we're
working
on
right.
Now,
it's
a
manual
process.
So,
basically,
every
single
week,
legal
code
enforcement,
PD
Cristina
house,
like
the
director
of
considered
services
and
the
constituent
services,
specialist,
Isabelle,
sharp,
have
a
weekly
meeting
and
they
discuss
these
properties
that
are
getting
a
lot
of
hits
a
lot
of
calls
across
the
departments.
I
We
made
the
decision
not
to
define
a
department
in
the
ordinance
in
case
to
ensure
its
longevity
so
that
we
can
adapt
if
their
city
structure,
if
there's
reorg,
if
things
get
shuffled
around,
we
wanted
to
be
sure
that
we
wouldn't
have
to
amend
ordinance.
So
right
now
it'll
be
housed
in
consistent
services
and
it
is
already
housed
in
consistent
services.
That
is
a
test
that
isabella
and
christine
currently
do,
and
it
will
remain
there.
F
That
sounds
more
like
it
could
work
on
property,
that's
messed
up
or
you
know
trashed
out,
but
this
man,
you
know
I,
have
to
go
back
to
this
man,
because
this
truly
is
something
that
this
ordinance
should
address,
because
it
is
a
nuisance.
This
man
has
mental
problems
and
he
probably
has
wet
weapons.
I
Yeah
Thank
You
counselor,
so
we
would
not
be
visiting
better.
We
would
refer
issues
of
Public
Safety
to
public
safety
experts,
we're
not
going.
If
there's
a
call,
we
don't
go
out.
We
address
those
those
issues
as
they
come
in
within
those
departments.
So
if,
if
someone's
calling
the
police
on
this
man
and
the
police
would
still
go
out
and
and
make
that
visit
and
create
the
report,
if
they
end
up
writing
a
report
and
basically
we
are
complaining
the
data
in
the
back
end
after
these
instances
happen
and
in
part
of
the
investigative
process.
I
Internally,
two
constituent
services
is
to
contact
neighbors
that
have
complained.
It
is
to
look
at
the
severity
of
the
police
calls
and
the
police
reports.
If
there
are
land
use
cases
looking
at
if
they
had
if
they
were
resolved,
you
know
if
they
are
ongoing,
so
we're
trying
to
be
a
bit
more
comprehensive
so
that
we
can
address
nuisances
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
but
be
more
proactive
about
identifying
them.
Well,
instead
of
this
sorry.
F
Good
I
appreciate
your
answers.
I,
you
know,
we've
waited
a
long
time
for
something
like
this
to
put
some
teeth
in
it
in
it,
I
was
just
hoping
for
more
immediacy,
because
people
have
waited
a
very
long
time,
get
some
teeth
into
this,
and
and
I'm
hearing
and
I
understand
what
you're
saying
but
I'm
hearing
it's
more
of
a
you
know.
Little
more
bureaucracy
is
still
in
there.
Rather
than
immediate
action
and
and
I'm
I
was
hoping
we
could,
you
know,
be
like
the
short-term
rental,
civil
fines.
F
B
D
C
J
B
F
Mr.
chair
I
do
I
just
want
to
state
with
the
veterans
banners.
Some
of
you
may
have
noticed
that
the
flags
are
starting
to
break
off
I
want
you
to
know
that
we
do
know
about
it
and
we
are
investigating
better
material
to
keep
that
from
happening.
We've
got
great
cooperation
from
the
police
department,
because
many
people
have
rolled
up
the
flags
and
taken
them
to
the
police
department,
or
they
rolled
them
up
and
put
them
by
the
poles
and
the
police
department.
F
Police
officers
are
going
and
picking
them
up,
so
we
do
know
about
it
and
we're
taking
steps
to
improve
upon
it.
So
if
any
of
you
have
any
emails
or
questions
from
anyone,
thank
you
for
what
you
know,
at
least
knowing
the
procedure
and
asking
them
to
take
them
to
the
police
department
they
they're
keeping
them
for
us.
Oh
thank
you.
Thank
you.