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B
Difficulties
getting
the
meeting
to
stream
on
YouTube
so.
C
B
B
So
I
usually
get
we're
live
on
my
screen
here.
I,
don't
see
that.
B
G
B
Any
opposed
any
abstentions,
you
know,
motion,
carries
approval
of
the
consent
agenda,
any
changes
from
staff
or
anything
members
said
they
would
wanted
a
pool.
D
Yes,
d,
h,
j
and
k
were
pulled
by
councilor
Lee
Garcia
item
k
was
pulled
by
as
well
by
counselor
Romeo
worth
councilor
Michael
Garcia
and
chairman
Rivera.
B
Very
good,
thank
you.
So
what
are
the
wishes
of
the
committee
move.
B
B
D
Request
for
approval
of
a
budget
amendment
resolution
and
the
amount
of
three
million
seven
hundred
and
eighty
one
thousand
three
hundred
and
thirty
three
from
the
water
Enterprise
fund
cash
balance
to
the
waters
VIP
fund
to
fund
a
professional
service
agreement
with
Corolla
Engineers
for
design
of
the
Paseo
real
wastewater
treatment
facility,
San,
Juan,
Chama
project
return
flow
pipeline
project.
This
is
by
John
Delmore.
B
Thank
you,
and
this
was
pulled
by
councilor
Lee
Garcia.
F
Mr,
chair
just
I,
guess
a
couple
of
questions
and
I
might
just
this
is
more
for,
for
the
understanding
of
how
the
the
the
final
product
or
of
this
is
going
to
end
up.
I
know
this
is
for
the
monies
that
are
gonna,
be
there
to
support
this
return
field
pipeline,
but
So
currently
I
know
we
had
a
nice
little
walk
through
the
plant.
Is
this
the
same
plant?
That's
going
to
be
used
for
the
return
floor
or
other
or
where's
our
water
coming
from?
H
Thank
you,
Mr
chair
members
of
the
committee,
councilor
Garcia,
the
water
originates
the
wastewater
treatment
plan,
it'll.
F
H
F
And
I
guess
I
I
for
the
public.
That
would
it
does
not
understand.
What
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
we're
trying
to
feed
water
back
into
the
Rio
Grande
or
credits
for
water
credits
in
return.
That's
correct,
correct
and
the
water
that
is
being
returned
back
to
the
environment.
What's
the
status
of
that
water?
Is
it
as
clean
as
it
was
when
we
before
we
use
it.
H
H
F
Thank
you,
so
this
will
also
help
us
with.
Obviously,
our
water
are
available
water,
especially
now
during
the
time
that
we
are
obviously
growing
as
a
city,
and
if
we
were
not
to
do
this,
which
I'm
not
opposed
to.
But
how
does
this?
How
would
this
be
a
negative
effect
on
our
our
water
outlook
for
the
future.
H
Well,
this
project,
it
basically
allows
us
to
increase
our
diversion
of
San
Juan
Chama
Water
by
roughly
a
factor
of
three
when
you
look
at
the
consumption
rate,
so
we're
allowed
to
consume
right
now,
roughly
5
000
acre
feet
of
water,
which
is
about
half
of
the
city's
total
annual
need
a
little
more
than
half
with
this
project.
H
That
number
goes
to
being
able
to
divert
nearly
15
000
acre
feet,
which
is
one
and
a
half
times
the
city's
needs,
so
it
basically
that
can
change
you
know,
depending
on
allotments
and
and
consumption
rates,
which
can
change,
but
it's
by
not
doing
this.
We
would
no
longer
have
access
to
that
additional
diversion,
which
is
a
significant
portion
of
the
totals
City's
total
water
consumption.
F
F
Will
hopefully,
in
the
future,
keep
our
our
city
sustained
with
what's
needed,
and
so
I
appreciate
you
being
here
for
for
the
questions
and
going
to
the
facility
I
think
that
it's
a
big
investment,
so
I
I
appreciate
you
guys
working
on
this.
F
B
Have
a
motion
for
approval
with
a
second
I
do
have
a
little
bit
for
discussion,
which
is
the
county
has
signed
onto
this.
This
plan
right
and
they're
moving
forward
with
us
on
on
the
return
flow
pipeline.
H
B
Yeah
and
I
appreciate
it.
I
just
want
to
know
that
they're
still
involved
that
it's
changed
into
them
or
since,
in
the
last
couple
months,.
B
There
are
a
lot
of
downflow
users
that
I
think
felt
like
we
were
going
to
take
all
the
water
and
not
put
any
of
it
Downstream.
Can
you
explain
the
amount
of
water
they'll
continue
to
get
and
if
it's
gonna
really
hurt
them
that
much.
H
There's
some
fairly
recent
reports
looking
at
the
hydrology
and
the
sort
of
the
balance
of
those
flows
and
I
don't
have
specific
numbers,
Bill
might
be
able
to
answer
with
some
more
detail
about
the
the
actual
sort
of
specific
numbers
in
terms
of
the
percentage
of
flow
that
will
be
available
on
the
lower
Santa
Fe
River
with
and
without
this
project.
B
Right,
we'll
water
required
by
lie
I
believe
to
continue
to
release
a
certain
amount.
Downstream.
Is
that
correct.
H
I,
don't
know
that
that
we're
required
by
law.
Do
you
want
to.
B
L
Thank
you,
chair
members
of
the
committee,
so
regarding
the
laws,
so
there's
two
aspects
of
the
project
that
the
city,
through
a
permit
process,
has
to
sort
of
meet
requirements.
So
one
is
for
the
legal
rights
of
water
for
diverters
for
mostly
irrigators,
because
this
project
is
only
looking
to
divert
the
city's
Federal
contract
water,
San,
Juan,
shama
project
water.
There's
no
claims
to
that
water
by
any
entities
other
than
the
city
of
Santa
Fe.
L
What
John
was
alluding
to
is
that
there
are
other
portions
of
native
water
that
originates
in
the
Santa
Fe
River
Watershed,
that
Downstream
users
can
have
a
claim
towards
from
this
project
from
day
one
the
city
has
and
the
Water
Division
has
been
very
clear
that
the
intention
is
never
to
drive
that
River
up
and
to
provide
water
for
those
Downstream
purposes.
A
Very
good,
thank
you.
Shannon.
B
I,
don't
know
if
this
one's
more
for
you,
but
we
had
a
couple
instances
with
covet.
I,
don't
remember
two
years
ago,
where
the
affluent
needed
to
be
stopped
for
not
only
watering
purposes
but
I.
Think
for
Downstream
users.
Have
we
taken
care
of
that
issue?
C
Mr
chairs
members
of
the
committee
I
think
specifically
what
you're
alluding
to
when
we
talk
about
turning
off
treated
effluent.
It
is
to
irrigators
that
is
under
a
New
Mexico
State
permit
that
sets
of
regulations
for
what
that
water
is
in
the
event
that
any
limits
are
exceeded.
We
cease
diversion
to
the
to
Turf
irrigators
to
reuse
customers.
C
The
water
that
discharges
to
the
lower
Center
for
river
is
a
federal
permit
to
an
mpds
permit
and
that
that
water
is
never
turned
off.
The
water
comes
in,
gets
treated
and
goes
out,
so
there's
not
an
ability
to
turn
off
the
The
Water
Reclamation
facility.
Only
the
pumps
that
return
it
back
to
irrigators,
I.
Think
to
answer
your
question.
We
we
have
been
working
for
multiple
years.
I
know:
you've
been
very
involved
in
things
like
our
solids
handling
with
the
anaerobic
digesters.
C
We
just
finalized
the
upgrade
to
the
aeration
system,
about
a
12
million
dollar
project
for
nutrient
removal
and
right
now
we're
beginning
to
we're
looking
to
bring
forward
in
the
next
few
months.
The
next
five
year
master
plan.
All
of
these
things
that
that
continue
to
work
with
waste
water
to
lay
out
a
plan
to
how
they
continue
not
just
do
the
things
they're
doing
today,
but
how
we
continue
to
improve
and
do
things
better
in
the
future.
C
B
B
Mystias.
Will
you
please
read
that
in.
F
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair,
I,
I
think
just
a
simple
question
on
this
one.
So
how
I
guess
if
you
can
explain
how
27.762
acre
feet,
what
does
that
look
like
in
layman's
terms
to
the
average
person
I
mean
in
a
percentage
of
the
the
water
consumption
of
the
city
of
Santa
Fe?
How
how
much
is
that?
What
does
it
do
for
our
city.
L
Mr
chair
members
of
the
committee,
thank
you
for
the
question.
Councilor
Garcia,
so
it's
a
very
small
amount,
I
mean
as
John
was
alluding
to.
On
average.
Our
demand
in
Santa
Fe
is
about
8
800
acre
feet.
L
What
this
is
essentially
designed
to
do.
Under
the
city
code
is
to
basically
provide
water
to
offset
impacts
on
development.
In
this
case,
these
will
be
used
for
affordable
housing
or
for
what
work
what's
deemed
sub
threshold
or
small
developments,
and
so
it
complies
with
chapter
25
of
the
code
that
the
City
Water
Division
has
to
make
that
water
available
for
those
purposes.
A
F
And
that's
why
we're
purchasing
them?
Okay,
yeah
I,
think
I
just
wanted
a
little
bit
more
clarification
on
that
one,
and
that's
just
so.
Thank
you
for
being
here
to
answer
that.
B
F
A
D
Consideration:
consideration
of
resolution
a
resolution
approving
The,
Exchange
and
transfer
of
two
tracks
of
City
owned
real
property
of
the
state
of
New
Mexico
in
exchange
for
six
tracks
of
the
state-owned
real
property
located
within
this
with
located
within
the
city.
This
is
staffed
by
Terry
Elise.
B
F
You
chair
good
evening,
Mr
Lee,
thank
you
for
being
here,
so
the
property
that
that
we
are
swapping
is
the
state
police
building
and
a
lot
that
they
use
for
impounder
to
the
back
and
it
looks
like
we
are
also
we're
exchanging
that
for
property.
That's
is
it.
Is
this
property
that's
attached
to
the
Midtown
area
or
you.
I
Know
Mr
chair,
counselor
Garcia.
Yes,
it
is
it's
immediately
around
the
Midtown
area
and
actually
this
question
came
up
on
the
finance
committee
and
so
I
prepared
actually
a
map
that
shows
the
locations
relative
to
Midtown.
If
you'd
like
to
see
him,
yes,
please
thank
you.
I
F
So
and
I
guess
the
the
the
property
values
are
very
close
to
similar.
Is
it
there's
an
exchange
in
dollar
amounts
for
this
as
well
yeah.
So.
I
I
We
just
received
the
appraisals
for
the
city
properties,
which
has
increased
so
those
have
actually
increased,
or
we
may
be
another
30
days
out
before
we
see
the
the
state
is
also
having
their
properties
reappraised
and
we're
probably
two
weeks
to
30
days,
maybe
more
before
we
see
those
appraisals
also
to
give
you
an
exact
breakdown,
and
so,
while
the
property
values
have
gone
up
for
the
City
properties,
I
kind
of
expect
the
same
thing
with
the
State
Properties.
But
relative.
You
know
the
the
difference.
I
I
Yeah
Mr
chair,
councilor,
Garcia,
there's
really
two
parts
to
this
and
I'll
address.
The
first
part,
maybe
ask
Mr
logsden
to
address
the
Midtown
area
part,
but
the
the
properties
of
the
city
owns
the
state
police
parcel,
it's
just
short
of
35
acres
and
it
was
leased
to
the
state
back
in
1968..
They
have
a
hundred
year
lease
with
a
dollar
a
year.
Rent
and
they've
made
every
bit
of
improvements
on
that
property.
They
make
us
as
bare
land.
I
So
the
fact
that
they
want
to
purchase
that
you
know
is
a
potentially
a
half
million
dollars
worth
of
value
to
the
city.
So
it's
definitely
in
the
best
session
for
the
city
there,
the
parcel
immediately
crossed
Camino
and
Toronto.
What
we
refer
to
as
the
impound
lot
is
about
a
12
acre
piece
of
property,
originally
back
in
1994,
that
was,
entire
property
was
leased
to
the
state
again
for
a
dollar
a
year.
And
since
then,
there's
been
a
couple
of
amendments
and
this
the
city
has
pulled
back
five
acres
of
that
12.
I
and
right
now
our
city
police
used
part
of
that
part
of
that
five
acres
as
their
impound
area.
Also,
and
here
again
that
leases
out,
it's
already
been
extended
out
to
2044
at
a
dollar
a
year
and
here
again,
I
think
that
you
know
actually
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
worth
of
value
for
that
tract
of
land
coming
to
the
city
is
is
well
worth
it.
E
Michael
Garcia,
thank
you,
Mr
chair,
thank
you
Terry
for
being
here
tonight.
Thanks
for
this
map,
appreciate
it
first,
not
really.
A
question
is
an
observation:
I
noticed
that
on
the
map
you
provided
tracked,
D,
I,
think
or
maybe
it's
track
day,
but
there
is
a
significant
amount
of
dirt
piling
up
on
that
property.
It's
it's
piled
up
over
the
last
month
or
two
I.
Don't
are
you
aware
of
that?
Yes,
okay,.
E
I
E
In
the
resolution,
it
states
the
the
value,
and
you
said
that
the
state
hasn't
really
got
their
appraisal
or
they're
working
on
their
appraisals,
because
there's
a
current
difference
of
roughly
five
million
dollars
in
property
values
and
to
me
we're
getting
the
short
end
of
the
stick.
I
mean
what
our
value
is
worth
twice
as
much
as
the
property.
We're
we're
exchanging
for.
I
E
I
E
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
clarification
and
then
the
last
question
I
did
a
quick
just
looking
up
I
I
didn't
look
at
the
map
and
I
saw
it
on
everybody
that
that
is
the
Camino
Carlos
Ray
property
and
it
looks
like
if
it's
maybe
right
behind
Nava
Elementary.
Do
you
know
I
mean
that's,
because
that
is
I'm
surprised
that
has
a
Camino
Carlos,
Ray
address
and,
and
so
with
that
being
said,
I
did
a
quick,
Google
search
on
the
address
and
it
comes
up
as
the
state
archives
building.
E
I
Council
Garcia
the
state-owned
properties
of
Camino
Carlos
Ray,
the
ones
that
are
fronting
Camino
cardos
Ray,
are
all
vacant
prop
Parcels
of
land,
the
one
parcel
I,
don't
have
the
map
in
front
of
me.
There
was
a
a
warehouse
building
on
one
tract
of
land,
just
off
of
that
Camino
carvus
Ray
that
group
of
four
there
other
than
that.
There's
no
improvements.
As
far
as
what
your
your
search
on
the
on
the
Assessor's
website,
I
can't
speak
to
that
other
than
to
say
that
oftentimes,
the
Assessor's
website
is
not
entirely
accurate.
Right.
E
But
but
I
mean
the
property
in
question
is
not
even
on
Camino
cartilage
Race,
So,
communal
Carlos
Reyes
you've
got
frankly
miles
Park.
Then
you
go
into
the
state
property
which
is
the
archives
building,
and
then
you
immediately
hit
serious
road.
So
it's
what
would
that
be
east
of
Carlos
Ray,
immediately
East
and
Trent
again
getting
into
details
that
probably
don't
don't
matter
but
I
want
to
make
sure
we've
got
the
correct,
addresses
and
whatnot,
given
that
it
is.
I
I
That's
the
only
one
we
identified
with
an
address
they're
doing
a
partial,
a
lot
split
there
as
the
city
is
also
we'll
be
taking
that
southern
vacant
portion,
but
I
will
check
the
addresses
again.
Sir.
E
You
do
do
the
work.
Thank
you.
Terry
I
really
appreciate
it.
Another
questions
Mr
chair,
thank
you
Terry
for
answering
and
providing
clarification.
Anyone.
B
Else
just
want
to
be
clear
on
the
current
property
on
Entrada,
where
we
have
the
impound
lots.
Are
we
retaining
those.
I
Mr
chair
we're
retaining
that's
a
12-acre
tract
of
land,
we're
retaining
I
believe
it
says
about
two
acres:
the
northern
section
of
two
acres
that
we're
going
to
use
for
affordable
housing
property,
the
current
five
acres
that
the
the
state
police
are
using.
Currently,
we
can
go
ahead
and
we
can
release
back
that
portion
for
a
short
time
while
we
relocate
the
city
police
impound
lot,
we've
tentatively
identified
a
partial
on
the
airport
property.
City
police
already
have
an
impound
lot
on
the
airport
property.
B
I
Yeah
Mr
Cherry,
yes,
I,
guess
the
all
the
parties
involved
want
to
see
this
transaction
go
through
and
so
I
think.
That's
really
a
small
price
to
pay
for
the
five
million
dollars,
plus
the
Midtown.
The
advantages
to
the
Midtown
Properties.
B
All
right
and
then,
as
far
as
the
that
track
thereof
and
try
that
we
do
have
a
police
officer
that
currently
lives.
A
I
J
K
G
B
D
Consideration
of
Bill
an
ordinance
amending
section,
12-10-1.10
of
the
uniform
traffic
ordinance
governing
mufflers
and
emission
control
devices
and
amending
a
schedule,
a
of
the
uniform
traffic
ordinance
to
increase
penalties
for
a
muffler
noise
violations.
And
this
is
staffed
by
Matthew
Chaplin.
Who
is
on
Zoom
with
us.
B
And
DC
Champlin
you
had
sent
out
a
presentation.
Did
you
want
to
go
over
that
briefly
or.
J
Yeah
good
evening,
Mr,
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
I
do
have
the
presentation
50
of
you
I,
believe
are
just
about
have
seen
the
presentation,
but
I
did
add
some
stuff
in
that.
Kyle
was
kind
enough
to
give
to
me
this
week
or
at
the
end
of
last
week
and
then
some
other
stuff.
That's
just
come
up
in
the
two
quality
of
life
committees
that
we've
gone
to
so
far.
That
just
may
answer
some
questions
for
you
all.
J
So
a
little
bit
of
the
the
why,
behind
this,
this
was
a
bill
that
was
originally
brought
forward
by
councilor
Lindell
to
increase
the
fines
and
penalties
for
the
muffler
violations
in
the
city
ordinance.
J
The
reason
for
that
was
I,
don't
think
I
need
to
explain
to
you
all
the
some
of
the
the
trouble
that
we've
had
down
in
certain
areas
of
the
city,
like
the
plaza
where
there's
a
lot
of
open,
Commerce
and
the
downtown
area,
as
well
as
Airport,
Road
and
areas
like
that,
where
there's
residential
neighborhoods
with
loud
mufflers,
the
city
officials,
including
the
pde,
as
well
as
counselors
themselves,
meetings
with
the
mayor
and
several
City
officials
are
trying
to
come
together
to
kind
of
figure
out
what
we
can
do
to
rectify
this
problem.
J
It's
been
a
years-long
problem
and
this
is
one
of
the
things
moving
forward
or
recommendations,
at
least
on
behalf
of
at
this
point.
Council
excuse
me
one
of
the
problems
that
we
see
there
is
a
relatively
high-end
impact,
the
quality
of
life,
but
comparatively
it's
a
low
fine
right.
Now
it's
25
and
regardless
of
how
many
repeat
offenses
there
are
that
fine
remains
at
25
you'll,
see
as
we
kind
of
move
through
the
PowerPoint
here,
how
other
cities
are
handling
that
as
far
as
the
fine
is
concerned.
J
J
It
covers
the
installation
of
such
devices
as
well
as
increasing
the
fines
in
a
successive
way,
so
our
first
violation
would
be
a
minimum
of
250
and
we'll
get
to
that.
The
next
slide
and
with
the
maximum
of
500
on
a
second
violation
in
the
orange
there
you'll
see
there
was
an
amendment
that
was
submitted
by
counselor
cassette
regarding
a
Fix-It
ticket.
J
If
you
will
I
believe
that
it
came
from
California
in
a
way
that
they're
doing
things
over
there,
the
quality
life
Committee
in
October
and
essentially
what
it
is,
if
you
don't
have
it
in
front
of
you,
I
believe
that
you
do.
But
if
you
don't
it's
a
very
short
Amendment,
but
it
allows
the
offender
to
fix
the
muffler
and
not
be
fined
and
forego
the
fines,
and
it
takes
the
judge's
discretion
away.
J
Essentially,
right
now
a
judge
does
have
a
discretion,
so
they
could
still
impose
a
fine,
even
if
the
offender
fixed
the
muffler,
but
with
the
verbiage
that
or
the
amendment
that
was
added
by
counselor
cassett,
they
can
no
longer.
She
wouldn't
have
that
the
judge
wouldn't
have
that
authority
to
do
that.
It
would
be
waived
at
that
point.
So
this
is
a
little
bit
of
Santa
fe's
proposal
versus
our
sister
cities,
that
being
Albuquerque
and
Las
Cruces.
J
You
can
kind
of
see
what
we're
proposing
with
the
first
offense,
like
I,
stated
a
second
ago
with
a
250
fine
at
a
minimum
up
to
a
500.
Fine
second
offense
would
be
a
minimum
of
500
and
any
subsequent
violations
after
that
would
be
500.
That
also
includes
the
same
sanctions:
the
same
monetary
penalties
for
muffler
shops
as
well
with
jail
time
not
being
eligible
in
the
Santa
Fe
proposal.
J
This
was
one
question
that
came
up
in
quality
of
life
by
councilor
verreal
regarding
it,
when
does
it
become
excessive?
It's
a
quality
of
life
issue,
it's
not
a
safety
issue,
and
this
is
a
500,
fine
or
250
fine
for
the
first
time.
J
So
you
know
it's
pretty
a
hefty
fine,
so
we
did
some
research
and
with
the
city
attorney's
office
and
myself,
looking
at
a
bill,
I
believe
the
council
real
brought
up
in
the
committee
as
well
as
Miss
mcsherry,
bringing
up
the
New
Mexico
Constitution
Article
2,
which
talks
about
when
things
are
unlawful.
As
far
as
excessive
is
concerned,
and
in
this
you
can,
you
can
see
what
it
says:
accessible
should
not
be
required,
nor
excessive
fines
imposed
nor
cruel
or
unusual
punishment.
So
we
have
to
look
at
it
from
that
lens.
J
Is
it
comparable
to
what
other
jurisdictions
are
doing
or
are
we
being
excessive
with
our
proposal
and
if
we
are,
then
obviously
we
would
need
to.
You
know,
revamp
every
or
change
it,
but
at
the
bottom
you
see
there
the
comparable
that's
proposed
Albuquerque
there
minimum
is
a
500
fine,
they
don't
start
anywhere.
It
starts
at
500
and
in
Las
Cruces
they're,
starting
to
get
100
and
going
up
to
500..
J
One
of
the
things
that
we
removed
from
ours
is
there's
you're
not
eligible
for
as
a
finer
penalty
for
90
days
in
jail,
whereas
in
Albuquerque
in
Las
Cruces
you
would
be
so.
Our
our
Amendment
here
would
be
actually
less
Kuro
unusual.
Unusual
punishment.
Excuse
me,
I!
Guess
you
consider
with
removing
the
90
days
in
jail.
The
house
bill
I
did
some
research
on
that
it
was
brought
up
in
committee.
This
is
the
only
thing
that
I
could
find.
It
was
House
Bill
81.
It
was
introduced
earlier
this
year.
J
It
talked
about
flexibility,
payment,
fines
and
fees
and
and
things
with
the
courts,
but
it
didn't
get
passed
and
it
died
in
February.
J
There's
a
lot
of
numbers
on
the
screen.
Sorry
for
that,
but
this
was
all
the
data
that
has
been
asked
through
the
two
previous
committees.
J
You
can
kind
of
see
their
2020
being
the
highest
counselor,
Michael
Garcia
I
know
you're
you're
listening
there
that
he
mentioned
slow
and
quiet
operation,
slow
and
quiet
and
2020,
and
why
there
was
an
increase
which
you
see,
57
citations
in
2020.
That
was
a
question.
One
of
the
Committees
I
did
a
little
bit
of
research
on
that
counselor
and
both
of
the
phases
are
listed
there.
J
We
had
one
phase,
one
that
was
in
June
of
2020
around
July
and
the
one
that
was
in
August
and
around
till
September,
and
that
was
the
increase
there
and
there
was
25
out
of
those
57
citations
that
were
accounted
for
for
the
two
phases
of
slow
and
quiet
and
then
you'll
see
there
at
the
bottom,
the
Big
Orange
number,
the
36
citations.
That's
the
Year
date
for
2022.
J
So
this
was
some
great
stuff
that
Kyle
was
able
to
to
get
together
with
the
help
of
Juan
Carlos
his
intern,
there
Municipal
Court
and
a
map
you'll
see
here
later.
This
talks
a
little
bit
about
some
of
the
questions
we
had
regarding
statistics.
This
goes
from
2015
to
2022,
and
this
first
slide
here
is
regarding
the
the
years
of
birth.
So
what
is
the?
How
does
it
break
down
with
the
driver
and
their
their
age
and
their
who's?
Getting
a
muffler
citation
is:
is
one
age
group
more
susceptible
to
these?
J
Are
they
getting
targeted
so
to
speak?
Are
there
you
know
lesser
versions
thereof,
I
guess,
but
you
can
see.
They're
87.5
are
between
the
ages
of
15
to
31
years
old,
and
it
kind
of
goes
down
after
that
32
to
41,
just
about
six
and
a
quarter
percent,
and
then
it
drops
off
pretty
significantly
after
that.
J
This
was
more
for
councilor
Lee
Garcia.
Now
this
is
a
question
that
you
brought
up
counselor
in
the
quality
life
committee.
That
Kyle
was
able
to
put
this
data
together
for
the
vehicle
model
year,
and
there
were
some
concerns
with
some
classic
vehicles.
You
know
what
they,
how
does
it
look
now?
Are
they
being
have
they
received
citations
in
the
past?
Is
it?
Is
it
a
something
that
we're
seeing?
J
Because
we
know
that
some
of
the
older
vehicles,
like
you
stated
in
quality
of
life,
have
a
certain
type
of
Muffler
that
maybe
can't
be
replaced
and
they're
just
loud
vehicles,
but
you
can
see
there
that
the
the
oldest
vehicle
that
we
have
on
record
at
least
going
back
to
2015
Pro
citation,
is
in
1979
and
the
about
50.
What
is
that
about?
54
56
55
somewhere
in
there
is
between
about
2006
and
2015..
J
So
most
your
models
over
half
of
your
models
are
about
model
year,
2006
to
2015.,
that's
where
the
most
citations
are
at
and
then
it
kind
of
it
dips
off
after
that
and
over
here
on
the
right.
You
know
there's
only
one
citation
issued
for
each
one
of
those
in
the
the
early
90s
and
late
80s
models
there.
J
So
this
was
a
map
that
was
put
together
by
again
Juan
Carlos
he's
an
intern
for
municipal
court.
So
we
thank
him
for
that
did
a
great
job.
This
is
citations
by
year,
again
2015
to
2022,
and
this
is
their
geographical
issuance
location.
There
was
a
question
in
quality
of
life
regarding
you
know
where
the
citations
being
issued
out.
Is
it?
Is
it
just
the
plaza?
Is
it
are
we
giving
enough
attention
to
the
rest
of
the
city?
J
Is
it
just
airport,
so
this
kind
of
breaks
it
down
just
by
data
and
shows
you
how
those
citations
have
been
issued
out
over
time?
You
can't
the
only
one
that
I
will
just
want
to
point
out.
Is
you
can't
see
the
2019,
the
green
apologize
for
that
I?
Believe
it's
somewhere
right
behind
here?
It's
stuck
behind
one
of
those,
because
it's
only
a
singular
citation
and
I
couldn't
get
it
to
couldn't
get
the
the
map
to
free
all
the
view
with
being
able
to
zoom
in
that
close.
J
So
but
this
is
a
basically
a
breakdown
you
can
see,
the
majority
of
them
are,
or
a
large
portion
of
them
we'll
say,
is
down
in
the
downtown
area
or
leading
up
into
the
downtown
area
of
the
plaza
area,
but
there's
a
fair
amount
down
the
Cerritos
Corridor,
as
we
all
know
where
we
have
Muffler
complaints
and
then
going
back
down
into
a
airport
area.
J
All
right,
this
is
some
of
the
dispositions
just
for
your
information
for
municipal
court.
This
is
for
the
last
year
when
I
originally
originally
created
the
the
PowerPoint
it
was
in
October.
So
this
was
a
goes
back
one
year
to
October
2021.
This
covers
the
27
cases
that
were
actually
filed,
keep
in
mind,
citations
that
are
issued.
Maybe
warnings,
they're
still
considered
citations
by
data
at
the
police
department.
If
they're
written
warnings
they're
still
considered
citations,
those
are
the
ones
that
actually
got
filed
within
the
Municipal
Court.
J
You
can
kind
of
see
a
layout
of
what's
happened
there.
There
have
been
some
that
already
kind
of
the
fix
a
ticket.
If
you
will,
the
judge
dismissed,
looks
like
two
of
them,
because
the
muffler
was
fixed.
They
fixed
the
problem.
There
were
some
other
ones
that
either
pled
guilty
a
large
majority
of
them
are
still
pending.
They
don't
have
the
dispositions
for
those.
J
Unfortunately-
and
these
are
just
some
common
questions
just
to
kind
of
wrap
up
here
before
we
get
to
more
questions,
so
the
fine
is
jail
possible.
Well,
no
and
yes,
it's
not
possible
under
penalty,
as
in
other
words,
if
the
judge
can't
issue
out
a
penalty
of
jail,
but
if
they
fail
to
attend,
then
there
could
be
a
jail
time
and
by
that
that
would
be
wave
and
arrest
warrant.
J
So
if
they
fail
to
attend,
if
you
move
to
the
the
right
right
over
here,
where
you
see
fail
to
comply,
there
would
be
a
hearing
that
would
be
set
to
explain
the
why
they
didn't
show
for
their
their
court
hearing.
If
that
still
wasn't
they
didn't
attend
that,
then
there
would
be
a
failure
to
attend
and
then
there
would
be
an
arrest
warrant
that
would
be
issued
and
as
a
result
of
that,
a
restaurant
they
could
be.
They
could
do.
J
You
know,
however,
much
time
within
the
jail
until
they
get
released
again
Alternatives
over
on
the
left
side
here
community
service
and
then
there's
like
the
payment
plan
option
and
the
fix
it.
If
that
were
to
be
added
in
his
Amendment,
then
the
alternative
would
also
be
the
the
Fix-It
ticket,
and
with
that
we
will
stand
for
any
questions.
Let
me
stop
the
screen.
Sure.
J
B
The
work
of
everyone
to
put
this
together,
councilor
melworth
I-
think
it's
pretty
self-explanatory,
but
is
there
anything
else
you
would
want
to
say
about
the
amendment
I
know
you
signed
on
as
well.
G
No
I
think
it's.
It
does
allow
for
a
Fix-It
ticket
and
I
think
as
DC
Champlin
already
stated,
it
would
take
the
discretion
away
from
the
judge.
So
right
now
the
judge
you
could
fix
your
muffler
and
still
be
fined.
G
This
would
be
very
clear
that
if
you
fixed
your
ticket,
you
won't
be
fined
so
I
I
think
that's
yeah,
I,
don't
think
I
have
anything
else
to
add.
B
K
So
the
data
that
was
sent
DC
Champlin
was
so
helpful.
Thank
you
so
much
for
that
and
your
team
I
think
it
just
helps.
Give
more
insight
to
where
the
issue
exists.
K
What
age
group,
which
I
think
most
of
us
knew
one
of
the
things
that
came
up
that
I
just
wanted
to
start
a
discussion
about
was
the
businesses,
because
I
know
that
we
had
a
conversation
about
what
impact
this
would
have
on
businesses
that
do
install
these
types
of
mufflers
and
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
shine
light
on
the
fact
that
there's
already
a
fine
present
so
I
feel
like
those
installations
shouldn't
be
occurring
anyway.
As
a
city,
we've
already
acknowledged
that
it's
a
problem
and
it's
something
that
we
want
to.
K
We
want
our
community
members
not
do
and
that's
why
there
was
a
fine
that
already
exists,
and
so
the
businesses
and
I
know
you
know
we
haven't
dug
I,
don't
know
if
anyone's
dug
deep
into
that
data,
but
I
know
that
we
wanted
to
look
at
that,
but
I
just
wanted
to
like
shine
light
on
the
fact
that
the
city
is
already
recognized
it
as
something
to
find
so
in
reality
the
businesses
shouldn't
be
installing
in
the
first
place.
That
is
my
opinion
on
that.
K
But
I
wanted
to
just
hear
from
my
colleagues
on
that
topic
in
particular,
because
I
was
concerned
about
that
as
well,
I
was
like.
Oh,
it
will
have
impact
on
businesses,
but
then,
at
the
same
time,
I'm
like
well.
This
is
already
kind
of
written
and
written
in
as
something
that
shouldn't
be
occurring.
K
So
if
anyone
wants
to
just
add
to
that
discussion,
that
would
be
great.
Thank
you
sure.
F
Future
I
appreciate
those
comments:
Miss
Chavez,
counselor,
Travis
I-
think
that
was
was
one
of
my
main
concerns
in
regards
to
to
this
and
and
I
know
that
we
have
already
written
into
into
our
our
legislation
that
businesses
can
be
fined.
I,
believe
I,
don't
know.
If
I
guess
this
question
will
go
to
probably
DC
chaplain.
F
If,
if
correct,
what
so
was
there
any
Outreach
or
and
I
guess,
maybe
even
the
sponsors
of
the
bill
to
any
of
the
the
places
such
as
Harley-Davidson
or
you
know,
Meineke
or
Angelo's
Auto
Repair
or
some
of
these
places
that
do
these
things
and
any
feedback
from
them
was.
J
J
Mr,
chair
counselor,
Garcia
I
believe
that
counselor
Cass
has
said
I
remember
on
the
last
committee.
I
know
she
was
busy
and
I
believe
that
there
was
going
to
be
an
attempt
to
reach
out
to
some
of
the
stakeholders
regarding
as
far
as
the
business
owners
go
but
I
don't
know
what
attempt
has
actually
been
made
yet.
F
Thank
you.
So
you
know
again
you
you
take
a
look
at
the
potential
for
other
other
peop
other
types
of
and
I
I
appreciate
the
the
statistics
that
were
presented
here,
DC
Chaplin,
because
it
does
categorize
the
majority
of
I,
guess
our
younger
folk
that
are
modifying
their
vehicles
to
be
loud
and
and
again,
I.
I
I.
F
Don't
think
that
what
we
have
here
in,
in
my
opinion,
or
what
I'm
seeing
is,
we
do
have
an
issue
with
with
the
not
loud
noise
and
how
it
pertains
to
probably
street
racing
in
these
areas.
F
I
I
appreciate
the
the
map
and
showing
where,
where
your
previous
citations
have
been
made
throughout
the
city
and
I,
think
we
can
all
agree
that
airport
surreals
the
downtown
area.
Those
are
all
very
enticing
areas
for
people
to
to
create
this
type
of
noise
through
their
vehicles,
and
so
you
know,
I'm
still
just
going
back
with
the
potential
for
just
that.
F
You
know
somebody
anybody
else
to
be
caught
up
in
this,
that
isn't
really
intentionally
trying
to
to
be
noisy
and
and
I
go
back
to
the
Enforcement
issue
of
this
regards
to
how
do
we
qualify
that
that
that
noise,
and
do
we
have
the
tools
that
that
will
be
able
to
to
to
hold
somebody
accountable
in
the
court
of
law?
I
guess
you
could
say,
and
then
once
they
are,
they
do
receive
a
ticket.
I
I
do
like
to
fix
it.
F
Amendment
If
This
Were
to
pass,
but
you
know
once
again:
we've
created
legislation
legislation
in
the
past
year
that
doesn't
you
know
some
somebody
can't
pay
their
Their
fines
or
things
of
that
matter.
You
know
what
the
what
are
the
consequences
again
and
in
in
in
your
own
perspective,
how
much
of
an
effect
will
this
have
on
the
Department's
ability
to
to
really
truly
enforce
this,
and
and
and
how
much
will
it
really
minimize?
J
I
think
the
the
enforcement
has
always
been
possible.
The
the
violation
is
there
and
the
the
observation
and
the
training
experience
of
the
officer.
Is
there
it's
the
deterrent
on
the
back
end
that
it's
a
25
citation
where
that's
where
I
believe
it
it?
It's
it's
a
little
harder
at
that
point,
because
most
people,
if
taken
into
court,
would
my
guess
would
be
and
I'm
sure
Kyle
can
speak
to
this.
J
A
25
citation
would
be
much
less
than
the
amount
of
money
they
invested
in
their
car
or
it
would
cost
much
more
money
to
get
something
installed,
that's
proper
or
to
fix
their
to
fix
their
Muffler
Etc,
so
I
think
the
25
citation
on
a
is
part
of
the
term
problem
is
a
as
a
whole
increasing
the
citation
to
250
of
a
minimum.
It
is
a
big
quality
of
life
issue.
J
I
mean
the
very
blunt
way
to
put
this
is
it's
mufflers
and
it's
unfortunate
that
it
causes
a
problem,
but
it
does
and,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
I
just
received
a
complaint
this
week
that
was
regarding
the
plaza
we
had.
J
Tourists
come
in
and
visit
the
plaza
and
have
a
great
time
and
stay
at
local
hotels
and
they're
they're
they're
begging
the
the
city
officials
in
there
to
do
something
about
the
muffler
problem
on
the
Plaza
and
it's
it's
hard
when
it
becomes
to
law
enforcement
to
deter
such
Behavior
with
such
a
minimal
deterrent.
J
F
F
I
think
I
had
questions
at
quality
of
life
in
the
past
about
again
how
how
will,
let's
just
say,
for
example,
somebody
stopped
because
of
a
loud
Muffler
noise
and
again
going
back
to
decibel
readers
I
think
we've
mentioned
that
in
the
past,
in
our
past
committee
tools
that
we
could
utilize
to
to
really
truly
oh,
it
was
just
loud
and
I
know
at
the
discretion
of
the
officer.
F
Is
it
it's
mainly
at
the
discretion
of
the
officer,
but
do
we
still
don't
have
tools
I
believe
set
in
place
to
to
to
read
the
the
decibels
of
of
this
loud
noise?
Is
that
correct.
J
Correct
right
now
the
police
department
is
not
issued
decibel
readers
and
it
does
rely
on
the
Officers
Training
experience
as
to
how
that
vehicle
sounds
how
they
can
articulate
that
it's
loud
I
know
Kyle's
spoke
into
this
a
few
times
and
it's
and
just
to
take
a
little
bit
of
a
side
step
to
it
too.
It's
not
uncommon
in
law,
especially
in
criminal
law,
for
the
officer's
articulation
and
training
experience
to
be
the
sole.
J
This
Soul
thing
that
carries
the
case
through
especially
with
Associated
evidence
and
whatever
else
that
may
be,
but
the
options
training
experience
their
articulation
in
court
and
taking
those
facts
into
the
whatever
vaccine
may
have.
Maybe
they
have
video
of
the
vehicle?
J
Maybe
they
have
video
on
their
body
Cam
walking
up
to
the
vehicle,
because
it's
just
loud
in
general,
as
idling,
whatever
evidence
the
officer
has
or
to
bring
in
front
of
the
court,
and
then
it's
Kyle's
responsibility
as
a
prosecutor
to
ensure
that
that
case
has
enough
evidence
and
enough
credible
information
to
go
forward
in
front
of
the
court.
Otherwise,
I'm
assuming
and
Cal
can
speak
to
this
that
he
would
dismiss
the
case
because
he
doesn't
believe
he
has
enough
to
to
go
forward
with
that
case.
J
So
the
decimal
readers
are
no
not
in
place.
I
would
I
would
assume
that
if
the
Fix-It
ticket
comes
into
play
that
there
might
be
a
larger
conversation
as
to
where
that,
where
that
vehicle
might
be
brought
or
where
it
might
be
evaluated
to
see
if
it's
truly
fixed,
that's
the
standing
question
that
I
I
personally
have.
Would
it
be
something
that
would
fall
under
code
enforcement
would
be
something
with
the
court?
Would
it
be
something?
Where
are
they
going
to
bring
this
into
to
ensure
that
it's
been
fixed
properly.
F
Thank
you,
I
have
no
further
questions
at
this
point.
I'll
go
ahead
and
yield
the.
F
G
So
just
a
this
is
the
first
time
I've
been
on
a
committee
where
this
bill
has
been
heard.
I
I
did
watch
some
of
the
quality
of
life
hearings
on
it.
So
sorry,
while
I
know
some
of
you
have
sat
through
quite
a
bit
of
this.
So
sorry,
if
I'm
being
repetitive
the
citations
in
2020
and
2021,
can
we
go
back
to
that
graphic
that
you
have
with
all
the
the
locations
of
the
where
the
tickets
were
and
also
whoever's
in
charge
of
the
screen?
H
G
Left
yeah
or
yeah
right
up
that
perfect,
awesome.
Okay,
so
in
2020
and
2021,
were
those
citations
part
of
a
blitz
and
or
were
that
that
was
just
normal
police
work.
H
J
Okay,
so
right
now
the
only
year
so
to
speak,
that
there
was
a
what
we
call
the
police
department,
either
priority
Focus
or
operation
where
it
was
very
highly
geared
towards
mufflers
and
other
you
know.
Traffic
offenses,
but
mostly
geared
towards
Mufflers,
would
be
2020
with
slow
and
quiet
for
phase
one
phase
two,
which
was
you,
would
see
in
blue,
which
was
a
an
uptick
in
the
activity
with
those
57
citations
or
25
57,
citations,
2020,
but
25
of
them
I
believe
being
as
a
result
of
that
operation.
J
The
rest
of
it
is
General.
Police
enforcement.
G
Okay,
okay,
so
maybe
this
is
not
the
screen.
I
want
to
go
back
to.
Can
you
go
back
to
the
citation
screen?
Sorry,
no
problem!
Okay!
So
now
your
box
is
in
the
wrong
place
again.
If
you
can
move
it
back
to
the
right.
Sorry,
okay,
so
I
guess
then
I
misread
this.
So
there
were
two
citations
in
2018,
one
in
2019,
okay
and
57
in
2020..
All
right
can
we
so
then
can
we
go
back
to
the
other
screen.
G
G
I
guess
do
we
have
any,
and
you
know
part
of
the
reason
why
this
bill
is
coming
forward
is
because
of
the
high
number
of
complaints
around
this
kind
of
noise?
Do
we
have
any
sense
of
whether
the
complaints
are
coming
from
the
areas
where
the
tickets
have
been
issued?
I
mean
certainly
downtown
is
one
big
area,
but
you
also
alluded
to
airport
and
Syria's
and
doesn't
look
like
there's
been
as
much
activity
in
those
parts
of
town.
J
Yes,
so
the
the
it's
kind
of
I
love
data,
because
there's
no
emotion
or
anything
attached
to
that,
it's
just
data
and
what's
what's
interesting,
is
what
you
see
on
the
screen
is
exactly
what
we
see
at
the
police
department
and
I'm
sure
you
all.
As
far
as
complaints
go.
It
primarily
focuses
at
the
plaza
area
because
of
the
openness
of
open
market
and
and
open
Commerce
and
people
walking
around.
J
So
it's
it's
more
in
their
face,
so
to
speak,
and
then
it
we
start
getting
started
getting
complaints
on
Cerrillos
Road
and
then
we
also
get
complaints
on
Airport
and
those
are
the
two
other
primary
locations
where
we
get
those
complaints
at
is
airport
Cerrillos
but
and
then
the
downtown
area.
So
when
you
look
at
the
map,
it's
it's
a
little
representation
of
what
the
complaints
also
are.
G
J
Good
question
counselor,
so
the
the
complaints
come
in
in
a
variety
of
in
a
variety
of
ways
they
come
in
through
crms.
Absolutely
they
come
in
directly
through
City
officials
such
as
counselors,
and
we
hear
about
them
that
way.
Through
you
know
it
gets
forwarded
the
email
to
us.
They
come
in
through
phone
calls
to
the
police
department.
They
come
in
through
emails
directly
to
the
police
department.
J
They
come
in
in
any
number
of
ways
and
myself,
and
just
as
far
as
institutional
knowledge
goes
we'll
say,
I
oversaw.
Prior
to
my
current
position
as
a
deputy
chief
I
was
the
captain
for
patrol
and
prior
to
that,
I
was
a
captain
for
both
the
support
operations
and
Patrol
section
together
and
our
support
operations,
houses,
our
traffic
section
or
our
Traffic
Unit,
and
even
during
that
time,
when
we're
going
the
last
four
years,
I
want
to
say
three
to
four
years
really
in
2020.
J
That's
why
I
saw
that
increase
because
that's
when
we
started
getting
really
heavy
heavy
heavy
complaints
in
it
and
we
tried
it
as
a
police
department
to
focus
on
those
complaints
and
during
that
time
it
began
in
the
the
the
northern
part
of
the
city
in
the
plaza
area
and
then,
as
that,
as
people
started
to
understand
that
the
police
department
would
announce
that
we're
doing
operation
or
get
out
and
do
things.
We
would
see.
Other
areas
start
to
come
in
and
say:
hey.
J
Can
you
come
over
here,
because
we
also
have
the
same
problem
here
and
that's
where
we
start
to
see
airport
and
cerios
as
well
as
well
as
the
racing
I
know
that
nobody
there
is
knows
I
guess
if
we
go
back
to
20,
beginning
of
2021
and
even
2020,
there's
a
lot
of
racing
drag
racing
going
on.
That
might
be
something
that
was
representative
too
in
the
data
on
cereals
from
an
airport,
because
those
are
two
so
two
of
the
locations
there's
a
lot
of
problems
with.
G
Okay-
and
you
mentioned
this
as
the
the
current
low
fee
of
25-
is
not
much
of
a
deterrent
and
I
I
guess
I
want
to
dial
in
on
that
a
little
bit.
Certainly,
it's
not
much
of
a
deterrent
for
those
who
are
breaking
the
law
currently,
which
says
you
can't
modify
your
muffler.
You
can't
create
this
kind
of
noise,
but
is
it
also
a
deterrent
to
you
issuing
tickets.
J
No,
the
the
back
side
of
it,
the
fine
whatever.
That
is
a
lot
of
the
times
when
we
first
approach
this
and
that
data
would
have
been
represented
here
because
I
don't
necessarily
have
it.
When
we
first
approached
the
problem
with
Mufflers,
we
tried
an
educational
approach.
J
I
guess,
a
lot
of
it
was
going
on
was
was
some
of
the
you
know,
we'll
say
18
to
30
year
old
age
group,
and
we
tried
the
kind
of
an
educational
approach
with
it
to
just
inform
people
the
ordinance.
Let
them
know
that
it
wasn't
allowed
and
and
well
not
to
see.
We
could
fix
the
problem
that
way
and
we're
talking
about
even
money,
not
even
a
money
return
or
a
fine
deterrent
on
that
side.
J
So
with
the
police
department,
the
the
fine
part
of
it
is
irrelevant,
but
we
do
understand
that
having
a
higher
penalty
with
the
offender
does
deter
the
behavior
in
the
long
run.
J
You
know
I,
it's
a
good
question.
Counselor
I
think
the
the
police
department
takes
the
view
of
social
interaction
and
education.
Nobody,
the
none
of
the
police
officers,
want
to
go
out
on
a
daily
basis
and
issue.
A
citation
I
can
tell
you
with
18
years
in
it's,
you
don't
want
to
go
out
and
and
find
somebody
who's,
speeding
or
find
somebody.
Who's
has
a
loud
Muffler
so
to
speak,
but
you
are
there
to
enforce
the
law.
So
when
there's
problems
that
you
can
help
the
community
with
keep
them
safer,
improve
quality
of
life.
J
Whatever
those
is,
then
we
go
on.
We
focus
on
those
problems,
so
I.
Don't
necessarily
think
that
all
right
kind
of
got
lost
on
the
backside
of
that
I.
Don't
think
that
the
the
deterrent
aspect
of
it
hit,
the
25
it
is
now
is,
is
appropriate
for
it.
G
Okay,
I
I
think
that
you've
heard
quite
a
bit
about
you
know
concerns
around
capturing.
G
Unintended
targets
shall
we
say
that
might
be
too
strong
a
language,
but
let's
say,
for
instance,
classic
vehicles
or
older
model
cars
and
I
I
continue
to
be
worried
about
that,
and
so
I
I
was
looking
at
and
then
also
I.
Think.
The
other
concern
is
the
subjectivity
of
you
know
who
gets
a
ticket
and
who
doesn't
and
the
fact
that
we
just
sort
of
go
based
on
training
and
experience.
Oh
that's
a
loud
ticket
or
that's
a
loud
Muffler.
We
should
ticket
it
or
well,
that's
not
one
so
loud.
G
Well,
actually,
two
things
so
I
was
looking
at
our
noise
ordinance
and
it
has
some
language
in
it
that
I
I
think
is
sort
of
interesting,
and
that
is
a
separate
ordinance.
Maybe
we
should
start
with
a
little
Foundation
here
and
I'll
go
to
Mr
hibner.
The
noise
ordinance
is
not
what
we're
talking
about
raising
the
the
ticket.
That's
a
that's
a
it's
a
separate
law
different
from
the
law
that
we're
amending
in
front
of
us
correct.
Could
you
just
give
us
a
little
education
about
that
sure.
M
M
It's
it's
I
would
say
it's
similar
to
the
muffler's
ordinance
in
the
uniform
traffic
ordinance,
but
it
does
have
a
specific
decibel
level
for
it.
In
the
fine
under
chapter,
10
is
going
to
be
a
30
fine.
G
So
yeah,
so
the
fine
is
relatively
similar,
but
it
does
in
here
give
a
decibel
level
that
is
inappropriate
that
we
basically
say
if
you're
above
this
level,
you're
too
loud
with
your
vehicle
and
I
guess
I'm
wondering.
G
G
M
G
M
Know
I
I,
I
I
do
agree
that
there's
a
fair
amount
of
subjectivity
in
the
muffler
ordinance
and
the
uniform
traffic
ordinance.
You
know
I've
I've
mentioned
it
before
that.
That's
present
in
other,
in
other
traffic
violations,
for
example,
Carol
is
driving,
is
you
know
to
some
degree?
M
Subject
has
some
degree
of
subjectivity
the
example
I
always
use
is
a
DWI
without
a
breath
score
that
some
degree
of
subjectivity
there,
as
well
in
in
DC
Kaplan,
alluded
to
this
that
it's
it's
gonna,
it's
gonna
come
down
to
or
be
heavily
influenced
by
the
Officers
Training
experience.
How
well
that
officer
is
able
to
articulate
it.
You
know
it's
great
if
he
has
it
on
video
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if
I'm
involved
in
these
there's,
you
know
potentially
three
different
sets
of
eyes.
G
J
J
The
only
you
know
the
I
go
back
and
forth
with
the
I've
done
a
lot
of
research
with
the
decibel
readers
and
as
far
as
the
decibels
and
the
you
know,
the
allotted
decibels
in
the
noise
code
versus
the
the
traffic
ordinance
uniform
traffic
ordinance,
and
it
should
it
be
here,
should
it
not
be
there
and
what
I
get
where
I
get
kind
of
come
to?
J
A
stopping
point
was
the
actual
Logistics
of
the
officer
doing
that
how
it's
going
to
the
enforcement
I
was
truly
going
to
work
inside
of
a
vehicle
at
let's
say
airport
and
cereals
Road
as
the
light
turns
green
and
the
vehicles
move
forward
and
a
car
accelerates,
or
it's
it's
too
loud
or
whatever.
That
may
be
at
that
point
there.
If
we
box
the
officers
into
because
they
have
to
follow
whatever
the
ordinance
says,
if
they
box
the
officers
into
let's
say:
okay,
it
cannot
be
above
85
or
95
decibels.
J
It'll
be
upon
the
officer
to
somehow
get
that
decibel
reading
in
real
time
as
they're,
trying
to
either
catch
up
to
the
Violator
or
whatever
means
they
can
use,
and
when
they
do
stop
the
vehicle,
then
we
to
get
into
kind
of
a
conversation
as
to
my
knowledge,
and
maybe
Kyle
can
weigh
in
on
it
just
because
it's
such
a
unique
thing,
I,
don't
think
there
is
police
officers
are
governed
by
case
law
in
case
law.
More
clearly
defines
how
we
enforce
law.
J
It's
the
judges,
letting
us
know
how
that's
been
interpreted
and
when
they
S
I,
don't
know.
If
there's
anything
that
exists
that
says
hey
you
know,
once
we
stop
this
vehicle,
we
can
ask
you
to
rev
up
your
engine,
to
hear
your
to
hear
your
muffler.
So
I
can
put
my
decibel
reader
and
and
see
if
it's
over
85
decibels
and
that's
where
that's,
where
I
get
into
the
how
hard
it
may
be
to
enforce.
Where
there's
you
know,
there's
other
Technologies,
and
this
is
kind
of
off
off
your
question.
J
Counselor
but
I
think
it'll
interest
you,
you
know,
there's
other
Technologies
with
noise
cameras,
much
like
the
the
speed
cameras
where
they
have
a
decimal
setting.
They
record
the
decibel
level.
They
take
a
picture
of
the
Violator
plate.
Actually,
I
was
actually
reached
out
to
last
week
by
a
a
PhD
Professor
up
at
UNM
who's,
starting
a
pilot
project
with
some
of
the
stuff
and
it's
more
of
a
long-term
fix.
But
you
know
with
the
decibels
with
the
officer
logistically
as
overseeing
operations.
That's
where
I
get
into
a
little
bit
of
a.
G
Yeah
and
I
appreciate
that
Mr
hibner
I,
don't
know
if
you
wanted
to
add
anything.
M
From
our
work,
the
only
thing
that
that
would
add
is-
and
you
know
I
don't
know
if
this
is
a
bad
thing-
just
a
consideration,
I
suppose
but
I
think
with
with
basketball
readers.
There
would
still
be
that
we
would
need
to
lay
some
sort
of
foundation
requirement.
M
I
would
compare
it
to
radar,
there's
a
certain
Foundation
that
the
officer
is
going
to
have
to
lay
that
this
piece
of
equipment
is
working
properly.
It's
been
calibrated
Etc,
so.
G
And
and
because
I
appreciate
that
you
know
I
what
I
wonder
is
maybe
it's
and
and
I
and
I
from
the
other
hearings
that
have
gone
on
I
I
understand
that
there
is
not
exactly
a
lot
of
excitement
to
having
being
given
a
decibel
reader
and
then
having
to
Train
everybody
and
every
and
and
I
I
completely
appreciate
the
logistical
difficulty
when
you're
trying
to
do
a
variety
of
things,
including
stop
a
car
catch
up
to
a
car,
get
the
get
the
the
reading
in
real
time.
So
I.
Don't
really
think
that.
G
That's
that
that's
our
solution,
but
if,
when
somebody
comes
in,
if
they've
gotten
a
ticket
or
they've
gotten
their
Muffler
fixed,
couldn't
the
decibel
readers
be
used
and
couldn't
the
decibel
levels
set
in
law
be
used
to
suggest
whether
the
muffler
had
been
fixed
or
as
a
defense
way?
If
somebody
thinks
they
have
say
an
old
car,
that's
just
got
a
loud
Muffler
and
they
want
to
challenge
the
ticket
and
they
can
say,
look
use
the
decibel
reader.
G
Let
me
rev
the
engine
on
my
1953
Chevy
pickup
truck,
and
you
can
see
it
doesn't
meet
the
level
and
therefore
this
ticket
should
be
dismissed
or
administratively.
This
ticket
should
be
dismissed,
so
maybe
take
take
it
out
of
not
make
it
part
of
the
stop.
The
traffic
stop,
but
more
in
the
process
of
what
happens
after
there
is
a
citation
issued.
M
Jerry
River
councilor
remember
that
I
I
haven't
had
this
vetted
to
attorney
mcherry,
but
my
initial
thoughts
would
be
that
that
I
think
you
could
put
something
like
that
into
the
ordinance
and
and
I
think.
The
way
it
would
be
is
the
way
you'd
put
it
in
would
be.
You
know,
kind
of
like
the
Fix-It
ticket,
except
no
person
should
be
convicted
if
decimal
reading-
and
you
know
whatever
that
is-
is
under
or
under
a
certain
level.
G
It
also
looks
to
me
Mr
hibner,
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
there's
a
speed
limit.
So
if
you're
going
45
miles
an
hour
or
less
and
you're
of
a
particular
weight
class,
you
get
one
reading
that
you
would
have
to
be
over
to
be
in
violation
and
if
you're
over
45
miles
per
hour
and
of
a
particular
weight
class,
you
would
have
to
be
at
another
number
in
order
to
be
over
a
debate
too.
Noisy,
essentially,
am
I
am
I.
Reading
that
right.
M
Carey
very
councilor
remember
worth
yes
you're.
Reading
that
right,
I
would
just
point
out
that
this
section
applies
as
as
I
mentioned
in
subsection
or
paragraph
B.
I
should
say
that
it
it's
it's
for
total
view.
Total
vehicle
noise.
I
M
Carey
Vera
Council
rumor
worth
I
I,
don't
believe
that
total
total
noise
is
defined,
but
I
I
mean
just
just
reading
through
it.
I
take
that
to
mean
Indian
Muffler
I
mean
I.
Guess
if
there's
a
load
on
the
vehicle
is
a
for
example,
as
a
toe
strap,
making
noise
I
mean
I'm,
not
exactly
sure,
because
it's
not
defined
yeah.
G
J
G
G
There
we
go
a
subwoofer
there,
we
go
yeah,
so
okay
and
then
it
says.
G
And
this
well
well,
there's
a
number
of
things
that
are
interesting
about
this,
so
you
can
do
under
this
thing.
You
can
do
a
couple
of
things.
The
Violator
may
decide
to
affect
the
repair
or
bring
the
vehicle
in
to
compliance
prior
to
appearance
in
court.
It
will
be
the
responsibility
of
the
Violator
to
arrange
retesting
of
the
vehicle
for
compliance
and,
if
it
is
found
in
compliance,
The
Violator
shall
notify
the
court
within
24
hours
of
said
compliance.
G
It
also
says
in
here
in
order
to
implement
and
enforce
this
subsection
and
for
general
purposes
of
noise
abatement,
a
uniformed
police
officer
shall
have
in
addition
to
any
other
authority
vested
in
him.
Unfortunately,
it
doesn't
speak
to
her
too,
but
I
assume
they
may
not
the
power
to
step.
Stop
a
motor
vehicle
reasonably
suspected
of
violating
any
provision
of
this
subsection
and
issue,
a
notice
of
violation
or
abatement
order
which
may
require
the
motor
vehicle
to
be
inspected
or
tested,
as
the
enforcement
officer
May
reasonable,
reasonably
require.
G
J
It's
a
civil
law,
it's
my
understanding
and
Kyle
can
correct
me
with
that.
If
I'm
wrong,
Kyle
but
I
believe
under
the
noise
ordinance,
it's
a
civil
matter,
the
police
department
deals
with
criminal
matters.
It's
a
lot
like
some
of
the
issues
with
animal
services
that
we've
experienced
recently
with
silver
matters
versus
criminal
matters,
the
under
the
uniform
traffic
ordinance.
J
It
becomes
a
criminal
matter
and
the
aspect
of
traffic
criminal
matter
which
then,
if
it's
there's
the
failure
to
appear
in
court,
they
don't
show
up,
they
can
have
a
warrant
issued
for
the
arrest
and
I
believe
under
the
noise
ordinance
falls
under
code
enforcement
under
the
noise
code
and
Kyle
can
maybe
weigh
in
on
that.
M
I
carry
Rivera
Council
rumor
with
I,
don't
think
I
could
speak
to
whether
or
not
the
police
department
does
or
does
does
not
issue.
Under
this,
this
section
I,
you
know
whenever
a
word
like
find
is
used
which
is
used
in
10-2.14
I
mean
to
me
that
that
means
Criminal
plus.
This
is.
M
Subsection
or
10
point
excuse
me
10-2.9
paragraph
D
D1
says
that
violation
is
issued.
A
municipal
court,
the
Municipal
Court,
doesn't
really
capture
restriction
on
several
cases.
J
If
and
if
I
can
weigh
in
there
Kyle
so
the
now,
then
that's
good
to
know
the
reason
that
we've
looked
at
it.
That
way
is
because
of
the
abatement
notice.
It
says
an
officer
can
issue
an
abatement
notice
or
an
issue
in
some
and
I
think
a
notice
of
violation,
officer,
police
department
isn't
issued
any
of
those
types
of
documents.
J
We
don't
issue
abatement
notices,
we
don't
issue
notice
of
violations.
Those
are
all
done
under
code
enforcement.
J
Now
I
understand
that
the
ordinance
reads
that
way,
but
we
don't
have
the
we
don't
issue
those
documents
in
that
capacity.
G
G
Yes,
because
they're
you're
right
there,
it
does
all
right.
So
let
me
in
order
to
implement
and
enforce
this
subsection
and
for
the
general
purposes
of
noise
abatement,
a
uniformed
police
officer
shall
have,
in
addition
to
any
other
authority
vested
in
him,
the
power
to
stop
a
motor
vehicle
reasonably
suspected
of
violating
any
provision
of
this
subsection
and
issue,
a
notice
of
violation
or
abatement
order
which
may
require
the
motor
vehicle
to
be
inspected
or
tested.
As
the
enforcement
officer
May
reasonably
require.
G
A
G
It
says
in
here
not
so
no
person
shall
operate
or
cause
to
be
operated
any
motor
vehicle
unless
the
exhaust
system
of
such
vehicle
is
not
modified
in
a
manner
which
will
amplify
or
increase
the
noise
emitted
by
the
motor
of
such
vehicle
above
that
emitted
by
a
muffler
of
the
type
originally
installed
on
the
vehicle.
M
G
And
on
that
same
point,
in
the
bill
on
page
two,
we
scratched
out
basically
mirror
language
from
State
Statute.
That
I
think
also
protects
older
vehicles,
which
certainly
would
protect
my
1953
Chevy
pickup
truck.
Does
every
registered
gasoline
fueled
motor
vehicle
manufactured
or
assembled
commencing
with
the
1968
models
shall
at
all
times
be
equipped
and
maintained
in
good
working
order
with
the
factory
installed
devices
and
equipment
or
their
Replacements
designed
to
prevent,
reduce
or
control
exhaust
emissions
or
air
pollution?
G
M
M
G
Wheelhouse
all
right
well,
I
mean
there's
no
reason
why
we
can't
state
law
in
our
ordinance
and
make
it
you
know
kind
of
re,
underline
or
highlight
or
emphasize
that
we
we
believe
this
to
be
important
enough
to
put
in
our
own
law
right
there.
I
mean
we're
not
striking
it
because
it
mirrors
state
law.
In
essence,.
M
Well,
Carey
varicons
are
worth
I,
don't
think,
that's
why
it
was
struck
this.
This
is
the
the
provision
that
is
currently
in
effect,
and
it
does
mirror
state
law,
which
is
the
state
statute,
is,
is
cited
there.
G
G
I
would
like
to
well
a
couple
things.
I
would
like
to
move
the
amendment
that
creates
that
starts
to
create
a
fix
it
ticket
whenever
that's
appropriate,
but
I
also
think
you
know
I
think
we
have
three
things
we
can
do
here
tonight.
G
We
can
pass
this
bill
along
without
recommendation.
We
can
start
to
fix
it
by
adopting
the
amendment
that
is
offered
before
us.
That
starts
us
on
a
road
for
a
Fix-It
ticket.
G
We
we
can't
hold
this
bill
anymore,
because
we've
already
held
it
and
we
can
only
hold
it
for
one
meeting.
We
could
move
a
do
pass
or
well.
We
could
move
a
do,
pass
and
move
it
on
I,
don't
think
it's
ready
or
we
could
remove
a
do,
not
pass
and
ask
that
this
bill
be
reworked
and
I.
Think
that's
there,
because
there's
a
number
of
things
that
I
after
this
conversation,
I
would
propose.
G
In
addition
to
the
amendment
that
I
am
a
co-sponsor
of
so
there's
that
Amendment,
but
then
there's
a
number
of
other
ones
based
on
this
conversation,
that
I
would
make
so
Mr
chair.
Those
are
all
my
questions.
Thank
you.
Thank.
E
Mr
chair,
thank
you,
Mr
hibner.
Thank
you,
DC
Champlin
good.
To
see
you
again,
thank
you
for
bringing
up
the
turns
because
I
think
that's
absolutely.
What
we
need
to
focus
on
is
deterrence,
but
we
also
need
to
focus
on
enforcement.
E
We
can't
rely
solely
on
a
500
fine
to
reduce
this
noise.
I.
Don't
I
absolutely
do
not
believe
that's
going
to
be
the
case.
It's
going
to
come
down
to
enforcement
at
the
end
of
the
day,
people
getting
fined
and
we'll
see
some
changes
in
that
manner.
E
E
Basketball,
readers
and
I
I
see
that
in
the
same
vein
and
the
same
use
of
tools
as
a
radar
gun,
I
wouldn't
expect
an
officer
to
be
stand
ready
with
the
decibel
reader
in
their
car,
while
they're
driving,
but
the
way
a
decibel
reader
can
be
effective.
Is
you
have
an
officer
pulled
over
to
the
side
of
the
road
similar
to
the
way
you
see,
officers
pointing
their
radar
gun
that
That
Could
Be,
an
Effective
mechanism
for
deterrence
and
enforcement?
E
And
so
can
you
tell
me
DC
Champlin
why
that
type
of
process
wouldn't
work
if
we
had
similar
to
a
radar
Stakeout,
let's
just
use
downtown.
For
example,
you
had
somebody
on
San
Francisco
street,
with
the
decibel
reader,
you
clock
somebody
and
you
radar
into
somebody
down
the
road,
X,
Y
and
Z
car.
Measured
at
this.
We
just
there's
the
data
and
evidence
necessary.
So
would
that
be
a
process
that
that
you
can
utilize.
J
Mr,
chair,
counselor
Garcia,
it's
not
that
I
I,
don't
think
in
the
aspect
of
the
question
is
tell
me
why
that
wouldn't
work
and
I
I
do
think
it
will
work
in
the
in
the
circumstances
that
you're
explaining
sure
that
would
work.
J
If
you
have
an
officer,
that's
outside
of
the
vehicle,
and
we
did
this
in
a
without
a
decimal
reader,
we
had
officers
that
were
in
either
plain
clothes
or
not
easily
seen
and
then
radioing
to
another
officer
to
stop
a
vehicle
because
it
had
a
lot
of
Muffler
and
then
going
through
the
process
so
very
similar
to
what
you're
saying
now,
where
it
becomes
as
and
I'm.
Just
being
completely
blunt
here
as
far
as
Logistics
go,
it's
not
that
doesn't
happen
very
often.
So
what
I'm
saying
by
that
is?
J
We
have
to
have
a
focused
effort
where
we
can
take
two
police
officers
at
the
minimum
and
in
our
case
that
actually
we
realize
that
three
was
easier
because
of
the
ways
out
of
the
plaza
and
where
people
could
leave
or
down
on
the
airport
road
area.
There's
so
many
different
veins
everywhere
to
catch
up
to
people
and
it
takes
people
to
dedicate
resources
to
that
specific
problem.
To
do
something
like
that.
So
what
you're
talking
about
definitely
will
work
in
a
in
a
specialized
operation,
type
focused
manner.
J
Absolutely
because
you
can,
it
could
be
measured,
I
guess
in
that
way
the
difference
being
is
I,
don't
know
the
specifics
to
the
aspects
of
the
scientific
part
of
it
where,
as
Kyle
stated,
you
know
that
has
to
come
into
court.
So
now
we
have
to
talk
about.
J
Okay,
does
the
decibel
reader
I,
don't
know
how
they
work,
to
the
specifics
of
being
able
to
focus
in,
let's
say,
a
cone
of
something
onto
a
particular
vehicle
and
to
read
that
specific
vehicle
and
then
how
that's
calibrated
Etc
so
I,
don't
know
the
the
after
effects
of
all
that
you
know
the
training
and
everything
else
wouldn't
tell
that
or
if
it's
even
possible
to
kind
of
quote
unquote
radar
gun
it
with
a
decimal
reader.
I,
don't
know
if
that's
possible,
but
theoretically
I
believe
it
would
be.
J
But
again
that
takes
a
focused
effort
and
that's
not
something.
That's
going
to
happen
in
a
daily
Patrol
of
an
officer
they're
not
going
to
do
something
where
it
takes
something
like
that,
because
they're
going
to
calls
for
service
and
more
times
than
not
when
they
encounter
these
violations.
J
They're
in
traffic
I
mean
I,
mean
just
hands
down
they're
in
traffic
they're
they're
driving
through
the
the
downtown
area,
with
their
windows,
open
they're,
on
cereals,
road
with
their
windows,
open
they're,
on
Airport
Road,
and
they
can
hear
it
and
that's
how
it's
occurring
more
often
than
not
I'm
not
against
I
know
I
come
off
some.
It
sounds
like
against
decibel
readers
and
I.
J
Don't
want
to
come
up
like
that,
I
think
on
the
back
side,
where
Council
Romero
worth
mentioned,
can't
we,
you
know
what
this
is
issued
to
come
in
and
they
bring
it
in
for
an
inspection,
and
we
can
gauge
that
level
there
on
a
Fix-It
ticket
type
basis.
That
might
be
something
where
I
could
see
it
fitting
in
logistically
for
the
police
department,
but
out
in
the
field
in
a
real-time
Ariel
I,
just
don't
see
it
being
as
effective.
There
are.
J
We've
talked
about
other
Technologies
counselor
with
being
the
noise
cameras,
but
then
again,
I
mentioned
it
earlier
in
the
the
the
the
the
meeting
here.
I
am
talking
with
his
name
is
Nick
friend
check,
I
believe
he's
a
PhD
he's
a
professor
up
at
UNM.
He
works
in
civil
engineering
and
they're,
getting
a
pilot
project
going
off
with
noise
cameras
where
they're
asking
Santa
Fe
to
be
involved
in
it.
J
They
can
give
us
two
cameras
for
different
intersections
to
see
how
see
how
these
things
operate,
see,
how
they
work
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
but
I'm
in
the
very
preliminary
aspects
of
that,
and
that's
the
reason
for
that
is
because,
when
we
start
talking
about
technology,
we
start
talking
about
privacy.
We
start
talking
about
data
sharing.
We
start
talking
about
okay.
Well,
this
is
gonna
like
the
stop
program.
This
is
gonna.
Take
a
picture
of
the
driver,
the
license
plate,
there's
going
to
be
data
stored
somewhere.
Who
has
access
to
that
data?
J
J
So
I'm,
in
the
very
infant
conversations
of
that
technology
and
on
the
on
the
front
end
here
in
the
more
short
term
we're
talking
about
more
of
a
the
deterrent
aspect
in
the
short
term.
I
guess.
E
Okay,
thank
you,
see.
Dc
Champlin,
I,
appreciate
that
and-
and
it
helps
to
understand
how
you
and
your
team
would
actually
utilize
these
tools
because
again
I'm
not
a
trained
officer
I'm
just
going
off
of
well
this
tool,
you
utilize
Works
in
this
manner,
could
you
utilize
this
tool
in
the
same
same
manner,
so
I'm
just
thinking
logically,
and
so
I
appreciate
the
the
context
that
you're
providing
so
it
sounds
like
potentially
decibel
readers
is,
could
be
a
part
of
the
solution.
It's
not
the
solution
and
I.
E
E
You
know
like
a
slow
and
quiet
process,
so
to
speak,
to
kind
of
get
back
to
the
enforcement,
because
again,
there's
deterrence
and
enforcement
and
I'm
looking
at
the
kind
of
now
opposite
end
of
the
spectrum
of
the
installation,
and
this
would
this
these
proposed
changes
would
make
it
illegal,
whereas
there's
sure
there
are
ordinances
and
and
policies
in
place
where
you
can
get
a
ticket.
E
But
this
specifically
says
you
cannot
do
this
to
your
vehicle
and-
and
this
is
what's
going
to
happen
and
I
guess
that's
the
question
is
I,
don't
see
any
the
the
repercussions,
any
fines
for
installation,
whether
it
be
the
automobile
owner
or
the
whether
it's
a
car,
dealership
or
auto
mechanics
so
can
I,
don't
know
if
it's
Mr,
hibner
or
who
might
be
able
to
help
me
understand
what
happens
if
DC
Champlin
you
go
out
to
enforce
this?
What
would
be
the
next
steps.
E
M
There
councilor
Garcias
so
as
far
as
a
fine
on
these
it's
these
are
penalty,
assessed,
what's
called
penalty
assessment,
so
there's
a
a
schedule
and
it's
it
should
be
starting
on
page
three
I
think
the
actual
part
that's
being
amended,
is
going
to
be
on
page
seven.
M
Jerry
River
constantly
Garcia.
If,
if,
if
a
citation
is
issued
ultimately
to
the
to
the
business
owner,
then
then
it
would,
it
would
fall
under
this
penalty
assessment.
You
know
because.
L
E
Okay
question
for
you:
DC
Champlin
how
again
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
providing
you
with
the
tools?
How
often
are
you
going
out
to
these
businesses
or
dealerships
to
say
these?
These
vehicles
with
excessive
mufflers
are
coming
from
your
business.
E
E
The
legislation
could
be
enforced
by
you
and
your
team
and
I'm
just
concerned
that
we're
going
to
get
through
this
whole
process
and
we
continue
to
see
the
chain,
the
the
excessive
noise
and
where
we
don't
see
a
blip
in
the
radar.
So
to
speak,
we
don't
see
the
street
racing
go
down,
we
don't
see
the
excessive
noise
go
down,
we
don't
see
the
installation
go
down
and
and
as
it
was
mentioned,
even
even
there
are
instances
where
these
vehicles
come
off
the
factory
floor.
E
J
So
it's
a
good
question:
Mr
chair
and
counselor
Garcia
and
that
kind
of
It
kind
of
connects
a
little
bit
to
what
council
Romero
worth
asked
earlier.
That
lost
my
train
of
thought.
Sorry,
my
I
have
a
great
day
at
home
on
thread
man
and
it
fell
down.
J
The
stairs
and
I
just
lost
my
train
of
thought
when
I
was
answering
that,
but
it's
it's
about
I
believe
if
this
were
to
go
forward
and
how
often
do
we
go
out
to
these
shops
and
we
talk
about
installation
I
to
my
knowledge
right
now
that
hasn't
been
a
conversation.
How
often
would
we
go
out
if,
when
new
legislation
is
is
brought
especially
in
effects
of
citizens
of
Santa
Fe
or
anybody
within
our
jurisdiction?
Education
is
the
first
step.
J
It's
making
sure
that
everybody
is
educated
to
what
the
what
the
ordinance
is
making
sure
that
everybody
understands
that
this
is
what
the
law
is.
This
is
illegal
and
giving
people
ample
time
to
say.
Okay,
this
is
going
to
affect
this
state
and
you
need
to
prepare
if
you're,
if
you're
a
business
owner
and
you
have
it
up,
it's
it's
up
on
your
your
menu.
So
to
speak
of
things
that
you
can
do
is
install
these
Mufflers
that
are
that
are
going
to
be
considered
illegal.
You
can
no
longer
do
that
and
I
think.
J
What
that
is,
the
police
department
is
not
I'm
kind
of
in
a
in
a
in
a
not
a,
not
an
awkward
spot,
but
a
a
spot
here
with
this
bill,
where
the
police
department
isn't
pushing
the
bill
so
to
speak
as
much
as
we
want
there
to
be
something
as
well,
just
like
the
counselors
who
are
sponsoring
it
to
fix
the
problem
on
whatever
that
may
be.
J
So
we're
not
out
to
you,
know,
penalize
anybody
give
give
citations
or
whatever
that
may
be,
but
it's
to
make
sure
that
everybody
understands
that
this
is
the
new
legislation
and
that's
when
those
conversations
I
think
would
be
had
I
do
think
to
councilor
Lee
Garcia's
Point
he's
brought
up
several
times
is
I.
Do
think
that
there
should
be
some
stakeholder
conversation
in
this
absolutely
I.
Don't
know
if
that's
for
the
police
department
to
have
with
that,
and
maybe
the
sponsors
of
the
bill,
but
that's
definitely
a
good
conversation.
E
The
reason
I
ask
is
I
want
to
ensure
that
again,
like
you
said,
should
we
move
forward
with
this
in
a
year
or
two
when,
if
the
noise
is
not
reduced,
that
we're
coming
after
you
and
your
team
for
lack
of
enforcement,
I
think
we
want
to
create
a
tool
and
mechanism
where
it's
not
putting
all
the
pressure
on
you
and
your
team
there's
other
mechanisms
that
could
come
into
play
to
help
with
this
issue.
E
So
so
I
appreciate
that
clarification.
So
so
the
last
point
I
want
to
touch
on
is
the
classic
vehicles.
We've
talked
about
this
at
length
and
prior
meetings,
and
it
was
brought
up
earlier
by
councilor
Romero
worth
and
it
was,
and
I
was
too
surprised
that
they
struck
the
language
and
and
the
in
the
existing
ordinance,
because
it
does
provide
those
protections.
The
the
one
concern
I
do
have
about
that
is.
E
E
Oh
wow
20.
F
E
J
E
Into
the
90s,
where
they
were
souping
up
their
Mustangs
and
Camaros
and
Corvettes
and-
and
so
my
question
is,
should
we
look
at
that
time
frame
because
I
think
68
doesn't
cover
enough
of
that
Spectrum,
I
I?
Think
of
when
we
have
the
cruise
nights
on
the
Santa,
Fe,
Plaza
and
all
of
those
old
vehicles
or
the
the
the
car
show
on
the
Fourth
of
July
on
the
Plaza?
How
many
of
those
Vehicles
would
be
out
of
compliance
now?
Should
we
pass
this
and
I
think
we?
E
We
understand
the
challenge
which
is
seems
like
it
was.
Ninety
percent
are
2
000
from
the
year
2000
or
earlier
right,
so
that's
90
of
the
vehicles
that
got
that
were
part
of
these
infractions.
E
E
I
think
there
are.
You
know,
because
there
are
the
concerns
and
and
councilor
Garcia
brought
this
up
in
the
last
meeting
classic
vehicles
that
have
and
I
guess.
This
is
where
I'll
ask
you:
counselor
Garcia,
because
you're
more
of
a
knowledgeable
in
the
car
car
realm
regarding
Muffler
bypass
straight
through
Muffler
glass
pack,
still
packs
straight
pikes.
D
F
Just
just
off
of
top
of
my
head
ain't,
I
guess,
I
wouldn't
know
any
specific
statistics.
But,
let's
just
say.
For
example,
a
vehicle
that
came
out
with
a
catalytic
converter
in
1992.
F
would
instead
of
replacing
that
catalytic
converter
for
five
or
six
hundred
dollars
might
put
just
Street
pipe.
There's
still
a
muffler
on
there,
which
reduces
noise
but
it'll
be
louder
than
if
it
had
the
catalytic
converter
plus.
J
F
Muffler
and
so
if
you
may
opt
to
put
in
a
a
glass
pack
or
some
of
these
baffles
and
again,
it's
really
difficult
to
to
identify
what
makes
a
person
change
or
do
that,
but
but
that
that's
just
maybe
one
example,
and
so
I
I
would
say
that
there's
a
very
high
percentage
of
older
vehicles
that
do
have
a
modified
exhaust
just
because
of
the
reasons
either
the
muffler
went,
went
bad
I
had
a
hole
in
it
or
something
of
that
sort,
and
they
chose
to
put
in
a
less
expensive
version
of
that
which
makes
it
a
lot
of
noise
which
could
potentially
be
caught
up
in
this,
and
so
I
think
that
would
maybe
be
the
best
answer
that
I
could
give
to
that
question.
F
E
You
cancer
again
I'm
just
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around
this
because
I'm
by
no
means
am
I
a
car
expert
but
I
want
to
understand
what
is
existing.
How
can
we
ensure
that
folks,
that
spent
their
hard
earned
money
on
their
vehicles
aren't
going
to
be
penalized
by
this?
Given
we
know
that
a
lot
of
this
comes
from
models
of
the
year
2000
or
are
newer,
and
then
you
brought
up
a
good
point
in
regards
to
economic
considerations,
because
I
know
that
we've
got
a
a
huge
challenge.
E
Now
with
catalytic
converters,
convert
thefts
and
somebody
who
has
their
catalytic
converter
stolen
today
might
not
have
the
resources
to
replace
it
and
they
would
fall
into
this
and
and
be
fined
and
I.
E
Think
again,
we
want
to
make
sure
we're
looking
at
all
unintended
consequences
and
and
I
think
we
understand
the
challenge
we
understand
where
we
want
to
go,
but
I
think
there's
still
lots
of
changes
to
be
made
to
to
get
there
we're
on
a
good
path,
but
I
think
there's
some
some
tools
that
we
need
to
figure
out
how
we
can
make
that
work
easier
for
DC
Champlin
and
his
team.
E
How
we
can
ensure
folks
that
have
classic
vehicles
are
able
to
maintain
that
vehicle
and
and
drive
it
around
should
they
wish.
E
E
M
B
All
right,
so
this
is
the
first
time
I've
had
a
chance
to
look
at
this
as
well,
so
but
I
think
a
lot
of
the
questions
that
I
was
gonna,
ask
have
been
asked.
I
do
have
a
couple
additional
ones.
The
memo
and
I
believe
the
legislation
talks
about
fumes
or
smoke,
who's
gonna
determine
who
gets
a
citation
for
fumes
or
smoke,
and
would
that
be
subjective
as
well?
You
see
template.
J
In
my
knowledge
that
the
the
anything
having
to
do
with
fume
to
smoke
is
generally
related
to
making
sure
that
there's
an
emissions,
compliance
or
something
without
effect
and
most
of
our
most
of
our
ordinances
within
the
city
have
been
taken
from
the
state
statute
and
the
state
statute,
obviously
covering
everything
in
the
cities
that
have
emissions
testing,
et
cetera,
I.
Personally,
with
the
smoke
and
the
fumes
I,
we
wouldn't
be
issuing
citations
for
that.
Generally
speaking,
unless
there
were
there
are
there
are.
Let
me
give
you
an
example
of
I.
J
Don't
know
how
much
you
know
with
diesel
trucks,
older
model,
diesel
trucks
that
don't
have
that.
Don't
take
DEF
fluid
that
you
know
they.
The
newer
model
trucks
take
their
fluids,
so
they
they
don't
have
any
smoke
that
comes
out.
You
see
older
model
diesel
trucks
that
just
blow
out
black
smoke
because
they
don't
have
this
system
that
uses
the
DEF
fluid
to,
and
the
environmental
agency
federally
came
in
and
said:
hey
we
don't
want
to
have
fumes
of
smoke.
J
It's
it's
affecting
our
climate,
et
cetera,
so
I
believe
that
that's
some
of
that
verbiage
is
what's
into
that
section
of
it
and
I.
Don't
know
the
the
ordinance
itself.
Jesse
could
maybe
speak
to
a
little
bit.
I
know
he's
not
there
Jesse
again,
but
him
and
his
people
are
the
ones
that
put
the
just
like
striking
out
the
language.
The
police
department
didn't
have
anything
to
do
with
that.
J
The
fumes
and
smoke
we
didn't
have
anything
to
to
to
do
with
that
either.
Our
position
in
this
is
to
explain
the
police
department's
Logistics
with
a
lot
of
the
questions
and
enforcement,
and
then
how
we
would
see
this
as
enforcement
or
being
a
deterrent
and
or
not.
B
Equipped
to
with
new
the
way,
newer
models
are
not
to
have
all
that
black
smoke
come
out.
J
I
believe
the
way
that
the
ordinance
trades
and
again
I-
don't
I'm
sorry,
counselor,
I,
don't
or
Mr
chair
I,
don't
have
it
in
front
of
me,
but
that
way
that
it
reads,
and
maybe
Kyle
can
weigh
in
a
little
bit
on
that
with
the
smoke
and
the
fumes
yes
would
be
required
for
like
a
prosecution
purpose
or
citation.
M
Mr
hibner
go
ahead.
Share
your
verify
makeup
in
sorry
to
interrupt
the
the
standard
is
excessive,
except
excessive
fumes
or
smoke.
That's
that's!
What's
presented
in
the
bill.
Do
you
want
to
point
out
that
paragraph
B
is
is
what's
currently
on
on
the
books,
so
it
it
doesn't.
Look
like
there's
anything,
that's
being
amended
on
paragraph
B,
so
I,
you
know,
I
think
some
of
the
same
issues
with
what
what
is
excessive.
What
is
excessive
noise
probably
valid
for
what
a
successive
smoke
fumes.
B
B
And
with
some
of
those
I
think
of
their
delivering
merchandise,
let's
say
to
the
five
in
Diamond:
they
stay
parked
there
for
20
minutes
because
they're
you
know
they
might.
They
might
need
to
stay
on
for
some
reason,
but
that
could
be
excessive
fumes
and
smoke
in
my
opinion,
so
they
would
be
subject
to
this
as
well.
M
M
Mean
what
what
I
would
look
at
if
I
was
trying
to
prosecute
something
on
this
is
like
like
DC
Champlin
talked
about
is,
is,
is
this
you
know
basically
shocking
amount
of
fumes
or
smoke
group
that's
coming
out
of
this
vehicle.
So
is
this?
Is
this
a
diesel
truck
that
I
think
the
term
is
called
rolling
coal?
M
Is
it?
Is
it
a
vehicle
that
is
so
clearly
outside
of
the
realm
of?
What's
what's
normal,
basically
so
to
speak,
yeah.
B
And
then
DC
Champion
normal
muscle,
cars
I,
don't
know
if
anyone
addressed
that,
but
Mustangs
Chryslers
Chargers
there
I
have
a
pickup
truck
with
dual
exhaust
in
it.
It
can
be
pretty
loud,
but
if
the
if
the
muffler
hasn't
been
converted
in
any
way,
they're
fine.
J
I
believe
it
would
have
been
under
the
original
language
covering
the
vehicles
with
the
original
installation
parts,
and
if
that
language
is
still
in
there
again,
I
apologize
I,
don't
have
the
the
ordinance
sitting
in
front
of
me
if
that's
been
striking
out
as
far
as
the
louder,
excessive
ordinance
that
we're
talking
about
here
tonight,
the
amendment
for
that.
If
it's
been
stricken
out
that
the
original
parts
you
know
and
all
that's
been
taken
out,
then
I
think
they
would
still
be
subject
to
the
to
the
ordinance.
B
Okay-
and
we
talked
about
education
and
really
the
stealing
of
catalytic
converters
has
been
illegal
for
a
while,
as
well
as
accepting
them
and
and
purchasing
them.
Yet
they
continue
to
be
a
pretty
hot
commodity.
So
really
and
I'm,
not
blaming
you
guys,
I
think
really.
The
state
has
really
failed
to
enforce
so
people
who
continue
to
still
catalytic
converters
because
they're
still
pretty
easy
to
get
some
money
for
them.
A
B
To
get
fixed
and
if
she
didn't
want
to
fix
it,
she
could
run
a
straight
pipe,
but
then
it
would
have
been
louder
and
she's
too
old
to
be
driving
a
muscle
truck.
So
we
had
to
get
the
catalytic
converter,
but
fortunately
she
was
able
to
afford
it.
So
that's
just
a
little
story
about
catalytic
converters.
B
J
M
Terry
Rivera,
the
spreadsheet
that
we
did
create,
did
I
did
know
whether
or
not
there
was
a
racing
charge
included.
I,
unfortunately,
I
didn't
tally
it
up,
but
I
could
probably
count
it
real,
quick
right
now.
B
Alaska
D.C
Champion
another
question:
you
talked
about
some
of
the
citations
that
were
issued
and
that
were
currently
in
the
court
and
where
they
were
at,
and
you
talked
about
warnings.
J
So,
for
statistical
purposes,
a
citation
when
the
police
department
refers
to
a
citation
it
includes
written
warnings.
Officers
are
allowed
to,
in
some
circumstances,
depending
on
the
violation
to
give
a
verbal
warning
where
there
would
be
no
statistical
data
that
we
would
grab
from
that.
So
to
speak,
because
there's
nothing
written
in
documentation.
J
But
when
that's
a
written
warning
for
the
police
department,
it's
still
considered
a
citation
for
the
core
purposes
that
one
citation
would
then
have
to
be
either
an
actual
penalty
assessment
where
the
Violator
decided
to
pay
the
penalty
assessment
or
they
chose
to
go
to
court.
Or
there
are
multiple
violations
throughout
the
city
code
that
a
mandatory
court
appearance
is
required.
B
J
Example
sure
so
it
depends
when
it
comes
to
citations
and
traffic,
the
the
National
Standard,
and
this
isn't
just
a
New,
Mexico
or
Santa
Fe
thing.
The
national
centers
is
Officer
discretion
based
on
Behavior,
based
on
approaching
the
Violator
based
on
a
number
of
things.
So
that's
why,
sometimes
by
myself,
when
I
was
younger,
I
stopped
by
a
police
officer
and
I
received
a
verbal
warning
from
the
police
officers
for
speeding,
but
I
was
also
continued.
Speeding
in
my
young
age
and
I
also
received
a
citation
at
one
point.
J
There
was
no
call
for
one
or
the
other.
It's
really
based
on
the
officer's
discretion
as
to,
and
our
policy
actually
specifically
allows
for
Oxford
discretion
in
those
citations
and
in
those
ordinances
that
allow
for
discretion
and
the
educational
approach.
I
believe
is
kind
of
hardwired
into
that.
J
With
officers
to
allow
somebody
to
speed,
you
know
eight
to
to
emails
over
the
speed
limit
or
five
miles
over
the
speed
limit
and
approach
them
with
a
verbal
warning
or
written
warning
versus
somebody
who,
maybe
you
know,
driving
25
miles
over
the
speed
limit
and
endangering
others
at
a
a
greater
risk.
That's
egregious,
they
might
receive
a
citation.
K
J
Not
necessarily
and
I'm,
just
speaking
anecdotally
from
experience,
it
really
depends.
It's
really
based
on
the
individual
and
I.
Don't
think,
there's
anything
that
points
to
necessarily
one
age
or
the
other.
Sometimes
the
younger
generation,
so
to
speak
with
the
younger
folks
that
are
driving
and
they
get
stopped
for
the
first
time
are
terrified.
They
just
want
to
do
everything
right
they
wanted
to.
J
They
don't
want
to
get
in
trouble
with
Mom
and
Dad,
and
then
there
are
other
ones
that
you
know
maybe
go
the
other
way
and
they
do
have
attitude,
but
that's
also
seen
in
75
year
old
men
and
women
as
well
and
50
year
olds,
and
it
just
really
depends
it's
all
individual
based.
A
M
Very
do
so:
I
have
15
for
the
citations
issued,
also
included
racing
or
or
exhibition
driving.
So.
M
Carriever,
this
is
actually
going
from
2015
to
I.
Think
the
date
we
cut
it
off
was
October
24th.
M
M
K
B
All
right
and
then
DC
Champlin
how
many
vacancies
do
we
still
have.
J
I
believe,
as
of
today's
date,
with
a
current
resignation
that
was
just
submitted
this
week
from
an
officer
who
chose
a
different
career
path,
I
believe
we're
on
25.
vacancies.
B
All
right
and
again
being
on
Public
Safety,
Committee
I
see
the
statistics
of
the
other
crimes
that
are
happening
throughout
the
city,
and
you
know
personally
I'd
like
to
see
our
officers
focused
on.
You
know.
G
B
B
This
and
I
recently
read
a
study.
I'm
sure
you
have
I
think
others,
probably
in
here
have
I
think
it
was
from
New
York.
That
said
that
some
of
the
most
dangerous
areas
to
put
our
officers
in
or
those
violations
for
things
like
turn
signals.
B
B
B
Isn't
something
that
should
be
done?
It
creates
the
idea
of
profiling
and
and
some
people
who
look
at.
A
H
B
Think
there's
still
a
lot
of
work,
I
think
that
needs
to
be
done
and
I'm
not
ready
to
move
this
forward.
I
think
that
that
it's
a
good
start
of
it
does
move
forward.
I
do
appreciate
the
amendment
I
think
that's.
A
B
A
long
way,
I,
don't
know
what
the
fix.
A
B
K
You
chair,
Rivera
I,
was
just
looking
at
the
timeline
of
the
bill,
so
it
does
go
to
finance
in
three
weeks
and
if
it
does
pass
Finance
or
if
it's
held
like
it
was
for
public
works
and
quality
of
life,
it
would
go
to
governing
body
and
five
and
a
half
weeks
or
longer
and
I
feel
like
we've
res
we've
been
receiving
a
lot
of
information
around
this
I
would
recommend
that
the
amendment
and
the
bill
is
moved
without
recommendation
so
that
you
know,
as
we
are
all
receiving
this
information,
we
can
submit
amendments
along
the
way.
K
B
So
just
like
our
governing
body,
why
don't
we
get
a
motion
on
the
bill
and.
B
G
F
A
H
A
B
Thank
you,
Mr
hibner.
Thank
you.
Dc
Champlin
appreciate
it.
No
action
items
or
discussion,
no
executive
session
Matters
from
staff
Mr
Jones.
There.
B
I
would
like
to
take
a
moment
just
to
thank
counter
Romero
worth
for
chairing
the
last
Public
Works
meeting
I
was.
B
Out
of
town,
unforeseen
and
I
felt
bad
setting
up
the
whole
presentation
and
the
whole
tour
of
Edd.
B
B
I
missed
being
there
for
about
five
minutes
and
then
I
got
back
then
I
got
back
to
what
I
was
doing.
So.
Thank
you
again
with
that.
Our
next
meeting
Monday
December,
is
that
correct?
B
Yes,
don't
there's
another
council
meeting
at
the
end
of
the
month?
Did
we
have
a
public
works
meeting
as
well.