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B
Are
live?
Thank
you,
Alex.
Let's
call
the
public
works
in
your
utilities.
Committee
meeting
for
January
9th
2023
like
to
order,
could
I
have
a
roll
call
Vote
or
a
roko.
Please
miss
this.
C
E
B
B
F
B
Any
abstention
see
no
motion
carries
before
we
get
on
the
presentation
items.
I
did
have
something
that
I
was
going
to
bring
up
from
the
committee,
but
I
know
everybody's
gone.
B
I
wanted
to
to
take
this
moment
to
give
muchisimas
gracias
from
the
city
of
Santa
Fe
and
mayor
Alan
Weber
to
Mr
Shannon
Jones,
the
public
utilities
director.
This
is
thank
you
for
20
years,
24
years
of
service
to
the
city
of
Santa,
Fe,
Public,
Utilities,
Department,
your
Visionary
leadership
and
day-to-day
guidance
ensured
reliable
Water
and
Wastewater
systems,
making
the
city
clean,
green
and
beautiful
you're,
leaving
an
example
of
service
and
accomplishment
for
years
to
come.
B
We
will
miss
you
and
wish
you
the
best
on
the
next
chapter
of
your
life's
Adventure,
so
being
Public
Works
in
utilities,
director
for
our
chair
of
this
committee.
For
many
years,
you've
been
a
godsend
so
to
find
somebody,
that's
so
knowledgeable
about
Water
waste
water.
B
It's
it's
going
to
be
tough
to
to
fill
your
shoes,
so
I
appreciate
you
I!
Wish
you
luck
in
your
future.
Endeavors
I
I
hope
you
take
some
time
in
retirement
to
enjoy
life
a
little
bit
and
take
some
time
to
take
your
wife
on
a
nice
vacation,
relax
a
little
bit.
B
I!
Think
it's
worth
it,
but
I
just
want
to
wish
you
the
best
of
luck
and.
H
I
just
want
to
add
my
thanks,
Shannon
for
your
years
of
service,
for
your
depth
of
knowledge,
which
is
deep
and
going
to
be
sorely
missed,
and
also
for
our
collaborations
and
your
responsiveness
and
willing
to
work
to
move
the
city
forward
and
I
just
want
you
to
know
that
I
agree.
You
are
a
tremendous
example
for
the
city,
we're
sorry
to
lose.
You
and
you
will
be
missed,
but
I
wish
you
all
the
best
in
your
next
chapter
and
enjoy
it.
Thank
you.
B
Counselor
anyone
else
councilor
Michael
Garcia.
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair.
I
And
I
think,
as
councilor
Rivera
said,
take
some
time
off.
It's
it's
one
of
those
things
I
see
so
many
folks,
but
in
dedicated
time
and
effort,
and
then
they
jump
immediately
into
a
next
gig
I
think
you're
you're.
What
I
would
stress
is
spend
some
time
with
your
family,
loved
ones,
friends,
pets,
take
a
hike,
I
mean
it's
one
of
those
things.
I,
don't
know
what
the
next
adventure
may
be.
I
But
given
the
dedication
you
have
given
to
the
city,
I
know
whatever
next
step
is
you're,
just
gonna
jump
right
into
it
and
give
that
much
dedication
and
I
think
need
to
reward
yourself
with
some
some
time
off.
So
football
playoffs
are
coming
on.
I,
don't
know
if
your
team
made
the
playoffs,
but
hopefully
they
did
and
you
get
to
enjoy
some
time
and.
G
I
Thank
you
for
everything
that
you
brought
to
the
city,
The
Experience,
that's
that
you
had
and
to
help
lead.
The
department
was
tremendous
and
I.
Think.
I
Hopefully
folks
got
your
number
and
get
you
on
quick
speed
dial,
because
I
I
know
a
lot
of
that
institutional
knowledge
will
be
walking
out
the
door
with
you.
So
thank
you
for
for
everything
to
to
keep
our
services
running
and
keep
our
community
safe.
Thank
you.
G
A
You
chair,
yeah,
congratulations
when
you're
at
the
helm,
directing
people
and
being
responsible.
It's
always
not
it's
not
always
easy
and
just
like
counselor
Garcia
said
and
the
rest
of
my
colleagues,
congratulations
and
best
best
wishes
to
you
and
your
family
thanks.
B
B
J
Chair
members
of
the
committee,
thanks
for
your
time
tonight,
we're
going
to
give
just
a
very
brief
update
on
our
Water
Division
Asset
Management
plan
and
all
I'm
going
to
do
is
introduce
myself
again
John
Del,
Mar
and
I'm.
The
engineer
supervisor.
J
K
K
F
K
I
actually
moved
here
from
Kansas
City
Missouri
back
in
September
I'd
lived
there
for
about
five
years,
working
in
water
and
wastewater
or
a
Consulting
engineer
there
and
I'm
originally
from
Nebraska,
where
I
was
born
and
raised
so
so
far.
My
first
three
to
four
months
here
have
been
great,
really
loving.
The
town
yeah,
loving.
F
K
B
Fe
and
thank
you
for
coming
on
board.
K
So,
first
for.
K
Or
kind
of
what
it
is
I'll
just
quickly,
Define
it,
but.
K
It's
kind
of
a
methodology
and
tool
set
to
help
us
decide
how
and
where
to
allocate
our
resources
in
order
to
best
meet
our
operational
goals
for
the
lowest
life
cycle
cost
throughout
our
system,
and
so
it's
kind
of
a
more
strategic
way
to
just
operate,
maintain
and
renew
our
system,
and
so
why
the
need
for
an
asset
management
plan.
K
K
Us
to
more
effectively
operate,
maintain
and
plan,
or
improvements
and
maintenance.
Throughout
our
system,
the
operation
of
Maintenance
takes
on
a
much
more
proactive
and
predictive
approach,
which
is
a
lot
more
cost
effective
than
you
know.
The
reactive
alternative
that
was
pretty
common
in
municipalities
that.
F
K
Our
maintenance
needs
out
into
the
future,
so
we
can
have
a
more
accurate
kind
of
projection
there
and
it's
also
quickly
becoming
the
industry
standard
for
medium
and
large
size,
municipalities
all
across
the
U.S,
that's
primarily
driven
by
the
cost
savings
that
have
been
realized
by
several
utilities
who
have
implemented
this
and
additionally
because
people
need
to
start
doing
more
with
less
because
maybe
they
don't
have
the
staff
or
the
money
resources
to
go
as
far
as
they
used
to,
and
also
there's
an
increase
emphasis
and
requirement
being
placed
on
a
lot
of
the
federal
and
state
funding
throughout
the
country.
K
J
K
Funding
requirements
and.
F
K
To
be
eligible
for
funding
requirements
and
one
of
those
additional
requirements
includes
presenting
an
update
to
the
governing
body
or
the
appropriate
committees
on
this.
As
of
your
asset
management
plan
for
that
year,
and
that's
what
kind
of
led
to
the
city
of
Santa
Fe
resolution
2015-35,
which
commits
the
city
to
implementing
that
Asset
Management
plan
based
on
those
guidelines.
K
K
Plan
really
touched
on
the
five
components
of
asset
management,
which
are
establishing
an
asset
inventory
kind
of
defining
your
levels
of
service
throughout
the
system,
doing
like
a
risk
and
criticality
assessment
of
all
your
assets
in
your
system
and
then
looking
at
life
cycle
costs
in
long-term
funding
evaluations
for
the
improvements
that
might
be
necessary.
G
K
Every
year
we
go
out
and
replace
certain
names
throughout.
F
G
K
And
so
then,
this
table
this
was
from
the
2020
Asset
Management
plan
and
it
kind
of
shows
the
total
current
replacement
value
for
all
our
Assets
in
our
system,
and
you
can
kind
of
see
at
the
bottom
there
that
adds
up
to
800
million
dollars
in
assets
currently
in
our
system
and
I'll,
just
point
out
that
that
was
done
in
2020.
So
with.
K
And
also
as
part
of
that
2020
plan,
they
created
a
schedule
of
renewal
and
replacement
over
the
next
30
Years
projecting
out
to
2050,
and
this
is
a
graphical
representation
of
that.
K
F
E
K
And
then,
finally,
here's
some
updates
and
next
steps
that
we're
currently
targeting
for
this
calendar
year,
first
of
all,
I,
have
been
assigned
as
the
asset.
K
Program
coordinator
with
the
goal
of
leading
the
effort
to
a
more
integrated
Asset
Management
plan,
we've
also
been
collaborating
recently
with
the
public
works
division
trying
to
gain
insights
and
lessons
learned
from
them,
because
they've
been
using
an
asset
management
software
for
a
number
of
years
now,
which
is
what
we're
trying
to
work
towards
so
we're
just.
B
How
do
you
say
your
last
name
Jurgens
any
questions
for
Mr
Jurgens,
Council
Romero
worth.
K
K
K
H
M
Mr
chair
because
remember
worth
just
for
clarification:
FCS
is
not
an
engineering
firm,
it's
our
Financial
Consultant
Jason
mom
and
his
team,
so
they
also
played
a
role
in
that,
so
it
wasn't
just
engineered
number
of
assets,
but
also
integrating
our
financial
status
planning
into
that.
So
the
FCS
group
is
is
Jason.
Mom's
team.
M
This
is
the
first
formalized
Asset
Management
plan,
documentation.
H
H
Okay,
so
sort
of
all
right
and
the
software
is
just
going
to
tell
me
a
little
bit
more
about
what
the
software
does.
K
K
So
it
gives
you
a
lot
more
granularity
and
data
assigned
to
physical
assets,
and
then
you
can
kind
of
take
that
and
a
lot
of
them
have
projection
tools
that
you
can
use
to
prioritize
certain
Mains
or
things
like
that
or
a
replacement
schedule.
However,
many
years
you
want
to
look.
H
And
does
any
of
it?
Do
you
have
to
go
in
for
the
analytics
or
will
it
prompt
you
will
it
say
hey
this
particular
main
has
had
this
kind
of
a
history.
You
know,
based
on
some
sort
of
algorithm
red
flag,
might
want
to
look
at
this
in
the
next
X
years.
K
Yeah,
so
it
to
get
that
data
in
there
initially
it
requires
manual
input,
so
someone
would
go
in
and
say
if
there's
a
break
on
a
particular
main,
they
would
log
that
break
to
that
Main
in
the
system,
the
software
system,
but
then,
once
that's
all
populated
it
has
tools
that
will
kind
of
lift
that
to
the
top
of
the
list.
If
it.
If
it's
got
what
we
would
call
a
high
likelihood
of
failure
based
on
those
breaks.
H
K
G
K
F
H
H
H
M
Mr,
chair
councilman
worth
really
understanding
that
the
asset
management
plan
has
many
components,
I
think
to
answer
your
question
depending
on
the
component,
how
frequently
that's
to
be
updated,
but
definitely
the
plan
will
have
to
integrate
with
other
systems,
meaning
the
system
will
have
to
be
told
that
a
new
water
line
was
accepted
through
a
development.
M
M
The
system
needs
to
be
told
that,
because
it's
still
tracking
the
original
installation
due
to
that
hydrogen,
so
there
has
to
be
this
integration
and
So.
Currently
things
like
our
source
of
Supply
uses
a
computerized
maintenance
management
system
that
tracks
their
work.
Very
similar
transmission
and
distribution
may
use
a
city,
work,
software
or
a
maintenance
connection.
M
So,
while
we're
doing
the
computerized
maintenance
management
system,
the
asset
management
system
will
either
Bridge
those
softwares.
So
the
data
comes
into
a
centralized
location,
but
more
likely
than
not
the
software
that's
selected
will
have
that
functionality
and
will
transition
our
computerized
maintenance
management
system
to
that
software
and
again,
just
being
direct
that
so
currently
Source
Supply
is
on
Antero
chances.
Are
the
asset
management
system
may
replace
Ontario
and
will
integrate
all
of
that
work
and
data
into
the
new
Asset
Management?
M
So
it's
within
the
box
and
not
having
to
speak
across
another
software
that'll
be
determined
through
the
evaluations,
but
my
expectation
is
when
they
get
the
asset
management
software.
A
lot
of
the
other
softwares
we
have
will
probably
go
away
and
we'll
we'll
put
them
all
into
one
box
so
that
the
data
being
entered
into
the
current
systems
will
now
be
entered
into
the
asset,
management,
software
and
that'll
be
updated.
That's
updated,
daily
right
work,
that's
being
done.
When
was
all
changed.
When
was
something
replaced?
When
did
something
fail?
M
H
And
how
are
our
internal
processes
for
actually
updating
say
when
there's
a
new
fire
hydrant,
because
one
got
run
to
run
over
I
mean?
Are
we
do
you?
Is
there
a
manual?
Is
there
does
that?
You
know
we
got
people
who
come
and
go
from
the
city?
Do
they
know
that
when
they
make
a
change
that
affects
the
assets,
it
needs
to
be
recorded.
M
Customers,
so
they
do
so
right
now,
it's
not
talking
to
the
asset
management,
but
again
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
smaller
places
where
that
information
comes
in,
so
chances
are
if
a
fire
hydrant
hit,
maybe
the
call
came
into
our
customer
service
center,
they
take
the
call,
well
they
log
that
call
in
their
system
and
it
generates
a
work
order
right
that
goes
to
the
staff
to
go
repair
it
when
they
complete
the
work
order.
It
gets
closed
out
in
that
system.
M
So
again,
the
challenge
that
our
Engineers
section
will
have
to
go
through
is
again.
Are
we
interfacing
with
our
maybe
Advanced
Utility
Billing
System,
and
what
does
that
interface?
Look
like
so
I
would
expect.
The
asset
management
system
would
not
change
the
advanced
building
system,
so
there
would
be
an
interface
of
how
it
gets
that
information,
while
water
was
turned
on.
Where
were
there
leaks
things
that
we
do
now,
it
could
be
a
an
import
of
it
or
it
could
be
real
time.
M
That's
going
to
be
their
challenge
to
work
through
if
a
crew,
if
a
crew
member
gets
called
out
in
the
middle
of
the
night
through
an
after
hours
call,
they
create
the
work
order
and
then
the
next
morning,
that's
given
to
a
supervisor
who
processes
that
work
order
and
completes
it.
That
probably
will
live
within
the
asset
management
system.
H
M
That's
a
great
question
so
when
I,
when
a
third-party
contractor
is
dispatched
to
do
a
repair
like
a
main
break,
that
is
done
through
our
engineering
section,
that's
their
project
manager.
So
he
would
create
the
the
work
order
right
or
the
task
order
that
would
encapsulate
what
it
is
they
did
and
then
how
do
they
integrate
that
in?
But
that's
also
in
their
Department
within
their
section.
But
that
is
information
that
you
would
want
to
capture
in
this,
and
that
would
be
done
through
the
project
manager
that
oversees
that
contract.
M
Again,
depending
on
the
software
that's
selected,
but
I
would
probably
give
probably
9
to
12
months
of
data
integration
they'll
go
through
that
I
do
have
an
asset
inventory,
which
is
a
great
component,
but
I
do
feel
that
there'll
be
these
exercises
that
look
at
each
asset
as
you
integrate
in
that
means.
Do
you
change
the
oil
every
3000
Miles?
M
Do
you
change
the
oil
every
three
months
and
what
is
the
risk
that's
assigned
like
so
all
of
that'll
have
to
be
re-looked
at,
and
that
goes
into
the
implementation
of
building
out
those
those
functionalities
of
it.
So
it
really
right
now
still
depends
on
the
software
they
pick,
but
but
my
gut
feeling
is
I'd
probably
see
nine
to
12
months
of
data
integration
before
that
system's
up
and
and
running,
and
you
put
the
other
ones
to
rest.
M
If
you
were
starting
from
scratch,
I
could
really
see
that
being
a
child,
a
daunting
challenge,
you
kind
of
alluded
to
smaller
systems,
but
keep
in
mind
right
now,
source
of
Supply,
which
has
many
of
these
assets.
Those
assets
are
built
out
in
their
current
computerized
maintenance
management
system,
so
being
able
to
export
that
data
just
do
a
scrubbing
to
make
sure
it
still
aligns
with
our
values,
and
then
uploading
that
is
is
the
value
that
we
have.
Gis
is
a
powerful
tool
right.
M
H
So
I
guess
you
know
we've
at
least
in
District
Two.
There
have
been.
You
know
it's
some
of
the
oldest
parts
of
the
city,
so
the
infrastructure
is
old.
We've
had
a
lot
of
main
breaks.
I
understand
it's
not
necessarily
out
of
line
with
what
we
would
expect
in
any
given
year.
You
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
that's
my
understanding.
So
a
system
like
this
would
help
us
I
guess
understand
better
right.
When
these
I
mean
will
it
proactively
help
us
alleviate
some
of
these
main
breaks.
M
So
it
does
so
again
stepping
back
to
looking
at
how
do
we
currently
manage
that
that
particular
issue
right
that
o
m
issue
that
we
have
So?
Currently
we
have
a
structure
that
we
that
we've
named
the
priority
pipeline
replacement
and
so
there's
a
matrix
that
helps
drive
those
decisions,
and
so
we've
presented
on
that
Matrix
before,
but
there's
multiple
factors
on
each
weight
a
little
different
one
being
what
is
the
age
of
the
pipe?
What
is
the
type?
What
is
the
location?
How
critical
is
it?
Is
there
fire
protection?
M
All
of
these
factors
right
that
would
that
we
would
question
about
a
main
is
being
done
through
a
matrix,
a
matrix,
meaning
it's
probably
an
Excel
spreadsheet
that
we
we
push
a
main
into
maybe
from
our
model
and
it
identifies
it
as
a
project
and
then
how
does
it
fit
on
the
priority?
I
feel
the
asset
management
plan
takes
us
to
the
next
level
and
and
data
Gathering
and
decision
making.
So
it
would
replace
that
Matrix,
but
it
would
do
the
same
thing
only
better
and
faster
you're
right.
M
M
M
It
could
be
the
intersection
that
that
main
resides
in
right.
There
are
intersections
that
provable
more
challenges.
These
are
all
the
factors
that
would
be
that
ideally,
would
be
built
into
the
software
where
it's
processing.
All
these
data
points
putting
out
a
report
to
say
this
should
be
your
number
one
priority,
or
these
are
your
top
ten
and
then
staff
being
able
to
to
Quality
assure
that
data
by
saying
yeah.
These
do
make
sense.
These
are
what
we
expected
to
rise
up.
You
build
confidence
in
that
software.
H
So
we
are
taking
this
step
into
modernizing
with
this
new
software.
I
assume
other
cities
do
this,
or
is
this
kind
of
new
new
to
cities?
Where
are
we
catching
up.
M
So
I
want
to
say
it's
new
to
cities.
I
think
we're
constantly
evolving
how
we
can
do
it
better
again.
Computerized
maintenance,
Management
Systems
in
the
beginning,
was
just
operators
that
knew
where
things
were
and
and
which
ones
they
should
replace
rolling
that
into
a
system
to
say.
Well,
how
often
do
you
exercise
valves
was
kind
of
where
we
alluded,
knowing
that
there's
more
components
from
what's
in
inventory,
what
parts
do
you
have
on
the
Shelf?
What's
the
lead
time,
how
do
you
integrate
inventory
into
the
computerized
maintenance
management
system?
M
You
begin
to
build
more
and
more
robust
software,
so
I
think
what
we're
at
is.
We
have
multiple
softwares
that
are
doing
certain
things.
The
asset
management
plan
would
would
look
to
bring
those
together
into
a
common
software
or
interface
with
the
ones
that
won't
get
replaced
and
then
dive
us
even
deeper
into
asking
the
what
are
the?
M
G
H
All
right,
thank
you,
Mr
chair,
that's
all
I
have.
A
Thank
you,
chair,
I,
appreciate
the
presentation
and
I
think
that
some
of
the
points
that
I
needed
clarification
on
were
were
asked
by
councilor
Romero
worth,
but
I
I
think
some
of
the
the
questions
I
would
have,
and-
and
it's
pretty
Visionary
to
to
do
this,
because
I
see
how
how
technology
can
definitely
make
a
better
situation
for
us,
identify
problem
areas,
it's
difficult
to
change
or
to
go
into
something
new,
which
sometimes
you
don't
know.
A
We
want
to
take,
for
example,
our
overall
City
management
system,
and
there
was
issues
with
that.
I
would
make
a
recommendation
that
again,
when
you're
looking
for
these
softwares
get
the
right
one.
A
Do
it
right
right
away
the
first
time,
and
that
leads
me
to
what
type
of
programming
it
would
be
needed
once
this
is
put
into
place?
Are
we
looking
at
more
staff
you're
looking
at
I
mean
obviously
there's
there's
a
lot
of
data
input.
I.
Think
some
of
the
questions
by
councilor
Romero
worth
were
to
how?
How
does
it
work
and
you
can't
just
set
it
and
forget
it?
You
have
to
have
people
monitoring
it
inputting
data,
making
decisions
based
upon
this
information
that
they're
getting
back.
So
how?
K
Basically
it
it's
not
going
to
be
something
that
we
need
to
bring
all
this
new
staff
into
kind
of
get
the
ball
rolling
and
keep
it
rolling.
It
may
require
some
minor
tweaks
here
and
there,
for
example,
D
may
have
a
specific
workflow
they
follow
and
they
go
out
and
repair
a
main
break
or
a
leak,
or
something
like
that.
K
K
Software,
and
so
there
there's
tweaks,
we
can
make
to
current
workflows
that
would
help
support
this
asset
management
software
and
help
support
the
transition
to
it
and
there's
areas
where
we
might
recognize
that
a
current
workflow
isn't
the
most
efficient
right
now.
So
this
may
help
us
change
that,
so
we're
working
a
little
more
efficiently
in
certain
ways.
K
All
throughout
this
process
and
I
know
throughout
the
2020
Asset
Management
plan
Folks
at
tnd
Folks
at
source
and
supply,
they
were
all
engaged
throughout
the
process
and
they
were
interviewed
and
their
feedback
was
recorded
on.
You
know
what
they
felt
was
important
components
of
the
software
that
we
ultimately
select.
So
they
their
voice,
has
been
involved
throughout
this
process
and
that
that
will
continue
to
be
the
case.
A
Thank
you.
How
long
would
you
plan
on
continuing
your
old
system,
while
this
new
system
would
be
implemented.
K
I
would
guess
that
it
would
follow
a
similar
timeline
to
what
Shannon
had
said,
we're
not
going
to
abandon
any
of
the
existing
softwares
that
are
in
place
until
we
feel
comfortable
that
the
new
asset
management
software
is.
You
know.
E
K
G
I
Mr
chair,
thank
you.
Mr
Jurgens
and
Mr
Del
Mar
for
the
presentation.
I
do
have
a
couple
additional
questions
regarding
the
the.
F
K
That
is
just
what
they
outlined
in
this
table
here.
That's
not
necessarily
exactly
what
will
be
implemented,
but
that
just
gives
a
frame
of
reference,
for
you
know
the
funding
that
would
be
needed
to
turn
over
your
entire
asset
system
in
a
50-year
recurring
cycle.
Okay,.
I
It's
a
20-year
plan.
This
one
doesn't
give
the
estimated
cost
for
this
20
years
and
I
appreciate
that
the
the
water
tanks
are
going
to
be
addressed
over
a
couple
years,
because
I
think
that
was
a
concern
I
had
in
the
past,
trying
to
hit
that
all
at
once
it
could
be
challenging
potentially
for
us,
my
questions
revolve
more
around
water
main
upgrades
because,
as
we
begin
to
get
into
2025,
you
start
touching
that
10
million
dollars
a
year
and
I
guess.
I
First
question
is
historically
Mr
Jones
and
maybe
you
might
be
the
best
question
to
answer
this:
what
it?
What
on
average
do
we
do
we
spend
because
once
we
start
hitting
10
million
dollars
a
year,
that's
it's
going
to
be
that
much
or
more
consistently
for
the
remainder
15
years
and
so
I
guess.
Historically,
what
have
we
spent
for
for
upkeeping
replacement.
M
Mr
chairman
councilor
Garcia
I,
would
say
probably
average
about
four
million
dollars
a
year
in
waterline
replacements.
One
of
my
Replacements
now.
I
Okay,
so
four
million
dollars
a
year
because
I
mean
it
if
we've
been
looking
at
2022,
which
we
just
had
it
doesn't
look
like
four
million
dollars
is
represented
on
this
chart.
It's
a
little
teeny,
tiny
sliver.
It's
and
I
can't
tell
by
the
color,
looks
like
a
dark
gray
was
our
most
expensive
thing,
which
would
be
maybe
storage
tanks.
I
So
is
it
the
chart,
that's
not
reflecting
the
four
million
dollars,
or
is
that
four
million
dollars
unexpected
that
that's
coming
into
play.
M
Council
gonna
see
that
the
four
million
is
was
a
number
I
assigned
if,
if
I
look
back
over
the
average
of
how
much
how
much
we
spent
on
priority
pipeline
replacements,
so
getting
this
is
more,
is
taking
that
bigger
approach
to
say
well,
what
is
our
inventory
and
if,
if
we
wanted
to
replace
it
all
within
50
years,
how
much
would
you
have
to
do
so
again?
It's
that
Evolution
moving
forward.
Obviously,
historically,
we've
invested
about
four
million
dollars
a
year
in
identifying
projects
and
getting
them
put
in
the
ground.
Okay,.
I
Looking
like
that,
looking
at
this,
we
should
be
able
to
know
from
2021
and
22,
where
we
spent
resources
and
looking
at
this
chart,
I
wouldn't
know
that
information
as
Council
Romero
worth
noted,
we've
had
a
lot
of
breaks
in
District
Two
and
it's
speaking
with
some
of
the
contractors
there
seemed
like
it
was
due
to
age
infrastructure
aging,
and
you
spoke
earlier
regarding
a
matrices
around
priorities
for
lines
that
need
to
be
replaced.
I
It'd
be
interesting
to
know
or
find
out
where
these
lines
are
that
are
kind
of
in
the
priority
pipeline,
so
to
speak,
no
pun
intended
because
I
think
that's
one
thing
I've
heard
from
folks
over
these
past
couple
months
is
that
the
pipes
are
breaking
and
they
just
continue
to
break.
I
You
know,
for
example,
the
one
that
happened
on
on
Cabra
was
they
popped
it
and
then
they
thought
they
fixed
it,
and
then
it
popped
again
and
then
the
valve
to
turn
back
on
pipes
was
broken.
So
I
mean
it's
an
aging
infrastructure.
It
was
one
of
those
things,
the
worst
thing,
worst
scenarios
that
could
happen
happened
and,
as
our
infrastructure
ages,
that's
not
going
to
be
a
more
unique
experience.
It's
going
to
become
a
more
commonplace
experience
and
be
interesting
to
know.
I
Based
off
the
matrices,
the
priorities
and
how
how
it's
reflected
in
in
this
chart
here,
because
you
do
see
the
Ebbs
and
flows
with
the
sharp
inclined
you
know
hitting
about
20
36
and
then
it
declines
again,
but
that's
again
only
going
20
years.
We
don't
know
beyond
that,
because
the
there's
a
50-year
plan
and
only
being
presented
is
20.,
so
it
could
be
up
and
down
and
up
and
down,
or
is
it
going
to
gradually
decline
for
mains,
I?
I
Think
another
thing
and
and
the
reason
why
I'm
focusing
on
Mains
is
because
of
the
way
it
disrupts
life
without
water.
It
really
causes
a
challenge
for
residents
without
water.
It
causes
the
challenges
for
businesses
to
operate
and
and
I
I'd
hate
for
us
to
be
in
a
situation
where.
I
Our
Mains
are
so
up
outdated
that
within
a
couple
years,
everything
just
goes
kapoop
and
and
I.
Don't
know.
If
that's
the
case,
just
because
I'd
like
to
see
the
information
regarding
types
of
pipes,
utilize
different
parts
of
town,
because
I
mean,
for
example,
there's
piping
in
my
section
of
town,
that
is
the
old.
Maybe
you've
got
the
proper
terminology,
it's
not
clay
pipes,
it's
the
old
paper
pipes
where
they're
just
crushing
they're
falling,
and
it's
not
anything
else,
but
the
the
material
utilized
is
disintegrating
so
to
speak,
so
it'd
be
interesting.
I
I,
don't
know
if
that's
possible
for
future
to
get
Maybe
and
I'm
happy
to
do
one-on-one
just
regarding
our
infrastructure.
What
types
of
pipes
are
around?
What
part
of
town?
Why?
Why
are
we
designating
such
areas
as
a
priority
and
based
off
of
those
priorities?
How
is
it
reflected
in
this
chart
here
over
the
next
20
years
again
because
I'd
hate
for
us
to
be
in
that
situation
where
residents
are
out
of
water
for
for
days?
I
Businesses
are
out
of
water
for
days
and
it
impacts
life,
and
you
know
I
think
residents
hold
up
their
end
of
the
bargain
by
paying
their
bills
and
taxes
Etc,
so
the
expectation
that
the
service
needs
to
be
provided
and
so
I
think
we
need
to
hold
the
bar
end
of
the
bargain
to
ensure
that
the
infrastructure
is
in
place
to
provide
that
service.
So
I
think
it's
again.
I
It's
a
broader
topic
for
future
discussion,
just
kind
of
interesting
to
me
and
how
we're
planning
this
all
out
over
the
next
20
years
and
50
years.
It's
interesting
to
see
what
the
remainder
of
these
30
years
looks
like
on
it
on
such
a
chart,
but
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
I
really
update,
I
appreciate
all
this
information.
B
Mr
Jurgens,
thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
again
welcome
to
city
city
of
Santa
Fe.
The
water
truss
board
typically
sets
priorities.
Are
we
in
a
position
to
take
advantage
of
those
priorities
in
the
upcoming
legislative
session.
K
Mr,
chair
I
know
we
have
some
projects,
I
believe
on
the
list
that
are
eligible
or
in
consideration
for
funding
John.
You
may
be
able
to
answer
that
one
a
little
better
than
me.
J
Thank
you,
Mr
chair
members
of
the
committee.
We
currently
have
I
believe
one
and
a
half
million
pending
from
the
water
trust
board
for
our
mostly
larger
CIP
projects,
less
specifically
tied
to
our
asset.
What
you
would
consider
part
of
our
asset
management
plan,
but
we
also
have
funding,
requests
significant,
additional
funding
requests,
specifically
for
our
two
reservoirs
upgrades
to
the
dams.
J
We've
got
the
Canyon
Road
Water
Treatment
Plant
upgrades
scheduled
to
start
later
this
year,
as
well
as
upgrades
to
one
of
the
dams
and
then
the
second
Dam,
probably
within
the
next
five
years,
and
all
of
those
are
on
the
order
of
20
million
dollar
type
CIP
projects
that
we're
seeking
water
trust
board
funding,
as
well
as
other
Federal
funding
through
infrastructure
bills.
F
J
Whatever
mechanisms
we
can,
we
can
find
for
funding.
Sometimes
it's
Army
Corps
of
engineer,
EPA,
there's
different
sources.
J
F
B
Answers
your
question:
yeah
I,
just
wanted
to
make
sure
we
were
well
situated
to
take
advantage
of
everything
out
there.
So
sounds
like
you
have
a
good
handle
on
that
Mr
Jurgens.
You
mentioned
that
we
have
seven
City
Wells
are
those
all
active
or
are
we
I
know,
there's
probably
a
few
that
aren't,
but
you
give
an
update
on
those
yeah.
K
I
think
there
are
a
couple
from
what
I
understand
that
aren't.
K
M
Mr
chair,
to
be
honest,
I
would
say
that
all
the
city
Wells
are
active
and
could
be
put
into
use.
They
may
not
run
on
every
day
case.
The
only
one
that
I
would
say
is
probably
still
being
worked
through
is
the
bucket
wheel.
B
B
Where
we
are
in
the
bucket
well
there's
some
discussion
about
main
breaks
and
I
I
think
we've
had
them
every
year,
but
we
do
have
a
plan
right
to
deal
with
aging
infrastructure.
M
Mr
chair,
that's
correct
and
I
do
know
again,
like
pipes
underground.
Well,
they
they
do
Break,
that's
in
every
system.
M
When
we
compare
ourselves
across
the
industry,
we
think
we
that
we're
doing
really
well
as
far
as
how
many
breaks
per
100
miles
apart,
which
is
how
like
an
American,
Water,
Works
Association,
would
score
necessarily
score.
You
so
I
would
say
that
we're
probably
you
know
about
25
to
30
percent
of
what
the
the
expected
breaks
would
be,
but
again
I'm
also
sensitive
to
know
about
the
impact
of
of
what
one
will
have
and
how
quick
it
can
be
repaired
so
again.
Currently
we
do.
M
We
do
have
the
information
in
our
system.
So
it's
it's
easy
to
determine
out
of
the
600
miles
of
pipe.
How
many
miles
are
cast
iron
pipe?
How
many
miles
were
installed
between
1970
and
1980.,
so
those
Dynamics
are
there
and
again
we
also
track
where
the
main
breaks.
What
are
the
things
that
we're
seeing
in
the
system
and
how
do
we
and
how
do
we
allude
into
that
all
of
those
things
we've
evolved
through
our
Matrix
to
say
each
line
that
comes
up
to
be
replaced?
M
How
does
it
weigh
against
the
other
ones,
meaning
if
you're
gonna,
if
you
have
to
do
one
of
two
lines
which
one
should
you
do?
First
again,
the
evolution
that
these
guys
are
taking
us
through
on
actual
data
based
decision
making,
is
what
the
asset
management
plan
and
software
we're
looking
to
to
take
us
to
that
next
level,
but
you're
absolutely
right
every
every
day
we're
looking
at
what
is
the
Aging
infrastructure?
What
is
the
replacement
schedule?
M
B
M
Mr,
chair
so
being
in
2023
right
as
our
calendar
year
like
this,
is
gonna,
be
a
good
year
for
us,
I
would
say
on
average,
you
would
expect
I
think
we
track
about
36
main
breaks
a
year,
I
think
for
2022
I
would
say
we
were
probably
somewhere
between
36
and
38.,
so
I
don't
see
that
it
was
outside
the.
What
would
we
consider
typical
also
keep
in
mind
that
again,
depending
on
where
the
break
is
what's
the
size
of
the
pipe?
M
What
location
right
there
are
other
challenges
that
roll
into
that,
but
I
would
think
even
through
2021,
while
2022,
while
we
did
have
more
main
breaks
at
the
end,
we
were
probably
ahead
of
the
schedule
until
kind
of
moving
into
into
November
December
weather
changes
definitely
shift.
Those
pipes
and
I
would
say
that
we
made
up
ground
and
those
statistics
through
December,
but
I
would
say
we
we
finished
at
or
just
slightly
above
what
our
average
would
be.
B
If
Council
Michael
Garcia,
you
got
a
follow-up.
I
Was
just
my
question
was
regarding
funding
plan
because
we've
got
the
new
asset
plan
and
what
we're
talking
about?
You
know
replacement
costs
of
800
million
dollars
over
50
years.
You
know,
I,
think
the
other
question
is
where's.
The
funding
going
to
come
from
I.
M
Mr,
chair,
Council
Garcia
there
there
is
a
plan
for
that
really
trying
to
pin
down
what
is
that?
What
does
that?
Spin
rate
looks
like,
but
ultimately
I
would
say.
Probably
three
three
approaches,
so
one
would
be
rate
based
right,
carving
on
a
portion
of
revenues
that
come
in
for
replacement
projects
seeking
state
and
federal
funding,
so
they
alluded
to
Applications
with
the
water
trust
board,
Water
Resource
development
act
at
the
federal
level.
M
These
are
things
that
we
actively
pursue
and
request
funding
for
and
then
also
keep
in
mind
that
the
utility
has
bonding
capacity
where
we,
where
we
manage
our
debt
service,
I
mean
right
now
we
do
have
a
good
Bond
reading
right,
the
the
double
A
Plus
Bond
reading
and
have
some
capacity
there
and
our
fine
five-year
financial
plan
done
by
FCS,
looks
at
those
and
makes
anticipation
of
even
Bond
sales
at
strategic
points
which
would
boost
the
the
cash
balance
to
execute,
mainly
Capital
Improvements
things.
M
B
Chair
just
to
follow
up
on
that
Mr
Jones,
the
double
a
bond
rating,
double
A,
Plus,
Bond
rating,
that's
for
the
city
as
a
whole,
as
the
Water
Division
have
its
own
Bond
rating.
M
The
Water
Division
and
the
Wastewater
division
both
get
Bond
rated
separately.
Both
of
them
also
came
in
a
double
A
Plus.
Okay
individually,
they
they're
they
get
rated.
So.
H
B
H
Just
for
the
public
to
know
that
double
a
rating
for
utilities
just
came
was
just
reaffirmed,
like
in
the
last
I,
want
to
say
week.
Okay,
thank
you.
C
A
resolution
adopting
a
strategy
for
donating
or
selling
at
below
market
value,
a
property
identified
as
Las
Estrellas
tract
six
eight
to
a
developer
certified
as
a
qualifying
guarantee
under
the
New
Mexico,
affordable
housing
act
to
act
to
develop
Santa,
Fe
homes,
program,
homes,
low
price
dwelling
units
or
units
price
restricted
through
another,
affordable
housing,
subsidy
and
approving
an
announcement
to
sell
the
remaining
seven
Las
Estrellas
Lots
with
a
local
preference.
This
is
Terry
Elise.
L
Mr
chair
Council
Romero
worth
you're
asking
for
a
presentation
well.
H
I'm
asking
this
is
the
first
I've
seen
this
I've
looked
at
the
packet
it'd
be
great.
If
you
could
walk
us
through
what
you're
doing
how
it
works.
I,
don't
know
if
you
have
doesn't
look
like.
Maybe
you
have
the.
N
L
So,
as
any
of
you
are
know
that
Los
Estrellas
properties
began
50
years
ago,
and
there
was
a
partnership
with
developers
to
develop
that
land
through
the
through
the
years
that
that
partnership,
I,
guess
was
was
trained
and
about
three
or
four
years
ago,
I
believe
there
was
a
settlement
agreement
dissolving
that
development
agreement
with
the
developer,
and
in
that
agreement
the
city
retain
received
some
water
rights
and
this
this
land.
That's
the
subject
of
this
resolution,
I
believe
it
was
last
year.
L
The
resolution
was
brought
forward
for
the
same
thing
to
sell
and
I
believe.
The
last
resolution
actually
was
to
sell
all
of
the
properties
at
that
time
and
it
was
not
approved
by
the
governing
body,
and
so
now,
we've
kind
of
reworked
this
counselor,
Garcia
and
villarreau
were
really
the
primary
drivers
here
of
the
terms
in
this
resolution.
But
to
summarize
there's
track
6A,
which
is
south
of
599,
which
is
19.5
something
Acres.
That
is
the
track
that
we've
designated.
L
It
would
be
ideal
for
affordable
housing
project,
so
that
would
follow
this
a
similar
track
as
to
Alto
Street,
where
we
just
did
a
request
for
qualifications
received
these
submittals
and
a
committee
really
decided
on
one
and
we
developed
drafted
a
donation
agreement
which
was
approved
by
the
governing
body
and
so
that
track
that
6A
will
follow
the
the
same
or
similar
tract
the
other
attractive
land
that
the
city
will
retain.
L
This
time
is
South
also
south
of
5.99,
just
under
two
acres
of
its
own
commercial,
and
that
we're
going
to
retain
Just
for
future
use
for
it's
the
Supreme
there
I,
don't
believe
is.
Is
that
good?
And
so
we
decided
to
retain
that,
possibly
for
future
use
and
also
due
to
the
zoning
being
commercial.
L
L
The
new
declarant
replacing
the
city
is
the
declaret
and
the
declarant
has
certain
rights
and
certain
obligations
as
far
as
the
master
plan
and
the
development
there,
if
also
I'll,
just
go
ahead
and
add
that
the
if
the
properties
are
sold
in
that
purchase
agreement,
what
the
city,
what
we
can
do
is
include
Provisions
in
the
purchase
agreement
that
the
new
declarant
will
take
some
of
the
needed
actions
to
remove
6A,
not
remove
6A,
but
the
need
the
required
actions
for
redesignating
part
of
6A,
removing
them
from
I.
L
Believe
it's
the
some
of
the
the
ccnrs,
the
conditions
covenants.
H
N
Good
evening,
chair
committee,
members,
Andreas
Salazar
from
assistant
City
attorney
so
following
up
where
Terry
is
at
I,
can
actually
plug
in
my
computer.
So
we
can
look
at
the
map
if
you.
N
So
if,
if
you
want
to
look
at
another
map,
I'm
happy
to
bring
that
up,
but
in
describing
the
the
different
tracks,
They
delineate
they're
different
in
terms
of
legal
description
versus
Master
Plan
description,
it's
a
little
easier
to
navigate
the
master
plan.
So
you
understand
what
the
buildable
out
buildable
footprint
is.
So
what
Terry
is
talking
about
this
little
location
here
is
6a
south
of
the
Veterans
Memorial
Highway
and
the
other
location
that
we
have
extracted
from
the
announcement
of
sale.
N
Is
this
little
section
10
which
goes
along
with
this
open
space
to
be
dedicated
and
allegedly
back
in
2015?
The
summary
Review
Committee
accepted
dedication
of
this
open
space,
so
this
is
technically
a
contiguous
open
space
area.
Even
though
it's
designated
10
it's
listed
allowed
uses
our
community
uses
like
open
space,
fire
police
there's
a
couple.
N
N
The
question
about
commercial
property
I
don't
believe
that
there
is
any
technical
commercial
property
on
this.
The
6A
is
a
track
of
land
for
homes,
for
residential
use
and
many
of
the
other
tracks
that
are
on
this
5A
4
b4a
3A,
and
these
contiguous
Parcels
here,
2D
and
1A
are
all
residential
homes.
So
the
only
piece
of
part
of
property
that
could
be
designated
for
anything
other
than
homes
is
probably
the
senior
residential
facility
allowing
some
type
of
amenities,
maybe
within
the
building.
H
H
N
Chair
Committee
Member,
so
this
master
plan
designates
the
area
with
entitlements
included
in
the
master
plan,
there's
also
covenants
and
restrictions
for
the
residential
area
and
the
non-residential
area.
So
this
entire
master
plan
set
has
HOA,
covenants
and
restrictions.
Those
restrictions
were
delineated
for
a
declarant
because
there
was
one
sole
developer,
which
was
Santa
Fe
Estates.
When
we
took
over
that
property,
Santa
Fe
Estates
transferred
their
declarant
rights
and
status
to
the
city
of
Santa
Fe.
N
Right
now
those
rights
are
held
by
an
HOA
and
we
have
a
a
contract
with
an
attorney
that
we're
needing
to
renew
John
Fox.
He
sits
as
our
declarant
when
the
board
meets.
What
that
means
is
declarant
has
specific
duties,
both
fiduciary
and
rights,
to
remove
Parcels
of
land.
So,
while
the
city
is
the
declarant,
we
have
someone
who
is
authorized
to
be
that
parent
for
us
and
the
declarant
is
the
only
entity
that's
allowed
to
remove
property
for
specific
uses.
N
The
HOA
can
allow
for
affordable
housing
to
have
reduced
fees.
This
is
important
because
the
HOA
conditions
and
restrictions
have
three
types
of
Assessments.
They
have
General
assessments,
special
assessments
and
there's
one
other
assessment
that
I
can't
remember
the
exact
term
for
but
they're
like
occasional
assessments,
it's
important
because
those
assessments
range
in
value,
meaning
that
every
year
the
declarant
or
the
HOA
can
assess
different
fees
against
the
property
owners
in
this
area
and
with
affordable
housing.
N
N
So
the
reason
why
we're
talking
about
either
removing
the
parcel
or
restricting
the
assessments
is
so
that
the
affordable
housing
provider
doesn't
has
the
choice
of
either
participating
in
the
assessments
and
the
design
review
or
asking
to
be
removed
out
of
it.
So
that's
why
we
would
either
enter
into
a
purchase
agreement
with
the
entity
or
the
person
who
purchases
the
remaining
seven
tracks,
to
remove
6A
or
to
restrict
the
fees
and
assessments
against
6A
if
it
is
indeed
all
affordable,
housing
or
reduced,
affordable
housing.
H
H
L
So,
as
it
says
in
the
resolution,
the
the
seven
tracts
of
land,
we
want
to
offer
for
sale
through
a
public
competitive
process,
and
this
resolution
lays
out
the
terms
for
that,
including
a
local
preference,
which
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
on
the
last
resolution.
So
this
like
I,
say
it
will
lay
out
the
the
steps
necessary
to
offer
that
for
sale.
N
Sure,
chair
counselor,
so
the
seven
tracks
of
land
are
the
remaining
Parcels.
So
it's
about
250,
Acres
I
can't
remember
the
exact
amount
they
are
in
the
this
developable
kind
of
envelope
here.
The
reason
potentially
show.
C
N
Along
here,
except
for
this,
2C
is
removed
from
that
and
it's
currently
being
built
out
right
now,
as
well
as
some
of
these
to
be
dedicated
areas,
the
residential
senior
area
and
this
recreational
area
and
there's
one
other
plot
of
land.
That's
a
lot
kind
of
a
long,
I
think
it's
in
this
2B
section.
Now
the
the
reason
probably
for
slow
development
is.
This
is
very
hilly
land.
So
there's
a
lot
of
Arroyos
there's
a
lot
of
runoffs
there's
a
lot
of
hard
to
build
locations
on
this
land.
N
So
it's
it's
taken
a
long
time
for
Santa
Fe
Estates
at
the
time
to
to
develop
out
a
lot
of
the
the
North
Eastern
portion
of
this
section
has
been
built
out
into
town
homes
and
cul-de-sacs,
and
they
kind
of
take
a
route
that
go
around
the
Arroyo,
so
I
think
that's
partially.
It's
it's
complicated
land
to
build
on,
which
is
why
it's
been
slow
in
this
area.
H
L
Mr,
chair
Council,
so,
as
we
say,
We'll
issue
a
request
for
qualifications
and
in
that
there
will
be
a
scoring
grid
which
will
take
into
consideration
many
of
these
factors.
The
local
preference
allows
I
think
it's
a
city's.
Local
preference
allows
up
to
six
percent
in
the
award
for
a
local
preference,
broken
down
three
percent
for
each,
so
in
other
words,
an
offer
will
offer
X
number
of
dollars
and
they
will
actually
be
in
the
scoring.
L
There
will
be
an
additional
up
to
six
percent
added
to
that
that
offer
price
to
determine
like
I,
say
where
they
fall
on
the
grid
for
the
scoring.
H
L
Mr,
chair
councilman
are
worth
I'm
I'm,
not
sure
I
can't
answer
that
question.
I'm
sorry
well
be
prepared.
I'll
be
better
prepared
for
the
next
covering
body.
H
And
a
business
license,
how
do
you
get
one
of
those
with
the
city?
I
assume,
you
probably
don't
know
how
you
do
it
with
the
county.
H
Well,
actually,
here
here's
director
Brown
I,
bet
he
knows
how
you
get
one
of
these.
O
Good
evening,
Mr,
chair
and
councilman
are
worth
to
answer
your
question,
so
the
the
preference
is
twofold,
as
you
say
so,
getting
a
business
license.
You
get
it
here
in
the
city,
you
have
to
have
a
business
license.
The
rules
say
that
you
have
to
have
held
it
for
three
years
and
then
the
state
resident
license
is
through
the
tax
and
reports.
So
you
have
to
go
to
the
state
land
office,
the
state
tax
and
rev
board
to
get
a
license
most
folks
who
get
a
license
with
the
city.
O
Well,
actually,
all
folks
who
get
license
with
the
cities
have
to
come
to
the
state,
tax
and
rev
to
get
a
license
number
first
and
that
number
actually
is
attached
to
their
local
business
license
too.
So
so
any
of
our
prospective
candidate
developers,
entities
Etc
will
have
to
have
a
business
license
with
a
three-year
period
in
order
to
to
qualify
for
this
local
preference
eligibility.
So.
H
O
In
order
to
get
a
city
business
license,
you
actually
have
to
have
a
state
tax
and
rev
license
number
so
that
the
state
is
tracking
you
just
as
much
as
we
are.
The
state
does
not
share
that
license
information.
The
actual
recipient
has
to
share
that
with
us
right
now.
We
have
not
been
able
to
do
a
sharing
of
numbers
on
the
state.
H
Okay
and
as
I
recall,
when
this
resolution
didn't
pass
the
last
time
around,
there
was
concern
that
you
could
just
come
down
and
you
know,
rent
out
an
office
space
and
get
a
business
license
and
actually
be
a
business
that
wasn't
local.
So
is
this
what
we're
doing
saying
that
you
have
to
have
it
for
three
years
to
protect
against
that.
O
Mr,
chair
councilmanworth
I'm,
going
to
step
back
a
little
bit
further.
When
we
first
sent
this
parcel
out
for
potential
public
notice
of
sale,
we
actually
did
it
on
a
nationwide
basis.
We
were
actually
looking
for
different
types
of
developers
all
over
the
country,
and
so
you
could
have
been
in
Albuquerque
or
it
could
have
been
in
Austin
or
you
could
have
been
in
Phoenix
and
come
and
originally
to
respond
to
the
public
notice
of
sale.
But
it
did
change
when
we
had
a
resolution
pass.
O
That
asked
for
this
to
be
revised
in
a
resolution
for
a
local
preference
so
that
we
could
address
some
of
the
economic
impacts
for
the
City
of
Santa
Fe.
So
originally
you
could
have
been
in
Albuquerque
with
a
business
license
state
of
New
Mexico.
Still,
you
still
have
something
from
tax
and
rev.
That
says
that
you
have
a
resident
license,
but
you
wouldn't
have
had
or
could
have
had
a
license
with
the
city
of
Santa
Fe.
There
are
Albuquerque
developers
who
have
licenses
here
and
are
doing
business
here.
H
O
A
good
question:
Mr
chair
council
member
local,
as
in
the
County
License,
you
could
have
an
Albuquerque
address
and
still
have
a
city
business
license.
We
do
issues
City
business
licenses
for
local
businesses.
The
state
tax
and
rev
allows
you
to
have
a
state
address.
That's
what
this
resident
piece
comes
into
play,
so
you
still
need
to
be
New
Mexico
based
business,
but
when
you
get
a
business
license,
plus
City
business
license,
you
could
be
registered
in
Albuquerque,
but
still
have
a
license
to
do
business
in
the
city
of
Santa
Fe.
O
And
keep
in
mind
Council
remembereth,
that
this
is
just
one
factor
in
the
evaluation
of
the
evaluations
of
these
candidates.
Who
will
bid
on
this
this
land.
O
Mr,
chair
councilmanworth,
that's
correct.
We
were
trying
to
sell
all
the
parcels
because
we
wanted
to
keep
the
master
plan
whole,
but
through
various
iterations
of
this
opportunity
to
do
public
notice
of
sale
did
we
did
receive
a
resolution
suggestion
to
address
the
affordable
housing
issue
for
the
City
of
Santa
Fe
and
could
be
because
of
the
district
Etc.
But
it
was
an
opportunity
to
address
affordable
housing
in
another
area
of
the
city
beyond
the
places
that
we're
actually
doing
work
on
affordable
housing
right
now.
O
So
this
is
where
this
resolution
addresses
that
and
a
portion
of
that
parcel
6A,
which
Miss
Salazar
had
mentioned,
is
ripe
for
looking
at
it
from
an
affordable
housing
standpoint.
So
we'll
do
feasibility
from
those
responses.
H
But
as
I
also
recall,
there
was
some
risk
that
a
local
developer
wouldn't
be
able
to
afford
building
in
these
hard
to
develop
parcels
yeah
go
ahead.
O
Yeah
Mr
chair,
because
we're
worth
that
is
absolutely
correct.
Local
developers
need
the
financial
stability
in
order
to
create
the
subsidy
to
build
infrastructure,
because
this
is
open
land,
but
it's
master
planned.
You
need
you're,
probably
going
to
need
30
million
dollars
to
do
that,
so
there
may
be
local
developers
who
might
reach
out
to
National
Partners
investment
syndicates
other
developers
in
order
to
process
this.
O
Mr,
chair
councilorworth,
that
is
a
possibility
and
I
want
to
actually
I,
don't
know
if
missiles
are
still
here.
There
could
be,
and
I
want
her
to
clarify
this.
There
is
a
possibility
that
a
local
developer
could
be
awarded
based
upon
their
financial
stability,
et
cetera,
because
they'd
have
to
share
where
you're
going
to
get
your
your
funding
from
they
could
win
the
award
for
the
development
and
then
in
turn
called
flip
it
because
they
are
the
chosen
developer
for
the
land.
O
But
this
is
something
that
could
be
debated
through
Council
and
committee
process,
but
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
there's
a
possibility
that
they
do
if
they
are
chosen,
the
developer
for
the
land
we'll
see
their
their.
You
know
their
Partners
in
the
process,
but
it
could
be
something
where
a
local
developer
could
flip
it
to
someone
else
or
sell
them.
N
So
we
have
contemplated
some
thoughts
about
reversionary
Clauses
in
purchase
agreements.
We've
done
a
little
bit
of
research.
N
We
haven't
gone
very
far
with
that,
but
in
terms
of
having
some
type
of
power
to
dictate
who
the
local
preference
goes
to
that's
a
little
bit
harder,
because
even
if
we
were
to
put
in
a
reversionary
clause,
what
would
the
Clause
say?
Would
it
say
that
if
you
sold
it
or
sold
any
parcel
to
another
entity
outside
of
the
state
that
they,
it
would
revert
back
to
the
city?
N
Or
would
it
state
that
if
they
subdivided
it
and
subdivisioned
Parcels
went
to
anyone
outside
of
the
state
each
one
of
those
would
then
be
reverted.
Those
could
have
consequential
problems
with
property
rights
down
the
line.
So
that's
why?
When
we're
looking
at
covenants
or
restrictions
or
reversionary
Clauses,
that
might
not
be
the
best
way
to
handle
the
local
preference,
so
there
potentially
could
be
some
types
of
ways
to
deal
with
it
in
the
contract.
We
don't
know
how
far
we
would
want
to
go
with
that
or
whether
they
would
even
work.
N
So
what
that
would
mean
in
our
and
I
I
will
let
Terry
explain
it
more,
but
what
it
means
is
that
when
someone
submits
a
a
value,
so
we're
evaluating
the
criteria
that
has
been
listed
in
in
the
resolution.
But
when
it
comes
to
price
someone
would
put
in
a
price
and
if
they
had
both
sections
of
the
local
preference,
that
six
percent
would
be
added
to
their
price
margin.
So
they
would
have
a
inflated
price
margin
compared
to
other
individuals.
Should
they
not
get
the
local
preference
price?
And
so
then
we
would
compare.
L
L
L
The
second
highest
offer
could
offer
4.1
or
4.2
million
dollars,
and
still
in
that
case,
in
this
scenario
it
would
go
to
the
local
preference,
so
you're
right,
it's
possible
in
this
scenario
that
the
city
might
receive
less
than
they
would
have
otherwise
without
a
local
preference.
H
And
How
likely
is
a
scenario
where
we
receive
less
and
then
the
property
gets
flipped
and
we've
given
away
money
that
then
basically
benefits
an
out-of-state
developer
and
the
and
therefore
the
local
preference,
which
you
know
I
I,
agree:
I'd
love
to
give
a
local
preference.
I
I
understand
the
you
know
the
the
wanting
to
do
that
for
our
local
businesses
completely
supported,
but
I
I
just
want
to
make
sure
it's
gonna
work
right.
L
F
I
Like
to
respond
to
that,
because
this
is
something
that
we
discussed
at
length
in
regards
to,
how
do
we
ensure
that
we
are
protecting
the
city's
interest
with
this
property
and
maximizing
the
return
and
the
the
topic
of
preventing
somebody
from
coming
in
and
flipping
the
property
we
we
felt
like
there
was
no
mechanism
to
ultimately
do
that
and
when
you
look
at
what
can
be
gained
by
an
outside
developer
or
saved,
so
to
speak.
I
We're
talking
about
six
percent
here.
So
if
we're
looking
and
to
make
numbers
round
sell,
is
properties
that
sell
for
a
million
dollars.
The
local
breakdown,
the
local
preference
would
take
off
sixty
thousand
dollars
off
that
price
tag,
and
so,
ultimately,
the
out-of-state
person
would
save
sixty
thousand
dollars.
I
I
I'm
not
well
versed
in
in
real
estate
costs
and
transaction
fees,
but
you're
going
to
see
a
lot
of
that
being
occurred
during
good
flipping.
I
The
I
think
the
biggest
challenge
we
and
we
we
try
to
figure
out
was
in
regarding
local
preference.
How
do
we
allow
for
as
many
local
folks
to
come
and
bid
on
the
property?
Because
it
is
when
we
do
put
it
up?
It's
going
to
be
seven
Parcels.
It
is
going
to
have
a
a
higher
price
tag
and
that
could
limit
folks
from
purchasing
the
property,
and
we
looked
at
breaking
it
up
parcel
by
parcel
because
we
we
have
the
individual
that
has
to
maintain
the
oversight
of
it.
I
I
Is
we're
going
to
extract
two
pieces
one
to
keep
his
open
space
one
to
dedicate
for
for
affordable
housing
and
then
the
other
seven
Parcels
we
will
dispose
all
as
one
and
that
person
that
purchases
that
is
going
to
become
the
new
declarance,
I
I
think
to
get
to
the
Crux
of
your
concern
regarding
flipping
it
when
you
get
to
these
type
of
numbers,
there's
not
not
we're
not
taking
off
50
60
we're
talking
six
percent
here,
potentially
that's.
If
they
meet
both
criteria.
Remember
it's
there's
two
criteria.
You
can
only
meet.
I
You
only
meet
one
of
them.
Then
you
only
get
the
three
percent
you
meet,
both
at
six
percent
and
and
so
with
that
I
I
hate
for
us
to
get
stuck
on
on
on
the
six
percent.
When
we
can
get
clarification,
it
may
be
rich
or
Terry.
You
can
tell
me
when,
when
we
bring
in
Realtors,
what
are
what
are
the
additional
costs
that
come
on?
Is
it
six
percent
I
mean
what
is
the
average
cost
in
addition
to
fees
that
you
pay.
H
Yeah
and
I
appreciate
and
I
thank
the
sponsor
for
trying
to
help
me
understand
how
this
is
being
sorted
out
here
and
and
I
also
appreciate
that
there
have
been
discussions
at
length,
but
I
have
not
been
included
in
those
discussions
and
all
I
remember
is
some
of
the
concerns
from
the
last
round
and
so
I'm
just
trying
to
get
up
to
speed,
and
maybe
what
I
need
to
do
is
you
know
get
some
time
with
you
all
so
I
can
walk
through
and
better
understand
how
we've
gotten
to
this
place
that
we're
in
so
and
I'd
be
curious
in
counselor,
Garcia's
question,
but
I'm
not
quite
ready
to
go
there.
H
Yet
so
I
don't
know
director
Brown!
You
were
going
to
try
to
answer
my
question.
Maybe
you
I'd
be
curious
to
hear
how
how
you
put
it
together.
O
Mr
chair
councilman
I
was
gonna
I've
been
dealing
with
a
lot
of
development.
This
week
and
I've
been
using
the
word
known
unknowns.
It
is
a
Known
Unknown
because
we.
F
O
The
the
the
the
question
is
and
I
think
councilor
Garcia
is
correct.
There's
a
I
I
believe
this
is
my
assumption.
O
I
believe,
there's
a
low
probability
that
a
local
developer
candidate
will
flip
the
site,
mainly
because
in
order
for
them
to
address
the
response
to
the
public
sale
and
basically
go
to
the
top
of
the
list,
they're
going
to
need
a
Syndicate
of
all
kinds
of
financial
development,
Partners
and
a
a
scenario
in
a
design
that
allows
them
to
be
a
viable,
viable
candidate,
so
just
to
get
to
that
place
tells
them
that
they
already
have
all
the
financial
wherewithal
to
proceed
with
this.
This
close
this.
H
O
Mr,
chairman
councilman
worth
I,
don't
believe
we
have
local
developers
right
now
that
do
that.
But
you
know
there
are
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
well
again.
I'm
using
a
financial
word
dry
powder
in
the
city.
It
can
actually
do
a.
They
can
do
a
lot
of
connecting
with
local
family
offices,
wealthy
investors
and
come
up
with
the
the
financial
Capital
that
they
need
to
make
the
deal
work,
so
I
would
not
put
it
against
any
of
our
local
developers
who
know
this
is
out
there
they're
already.
O
You
know
working
on
how
they
make
a
deal
work
with
this,
so
there
is
a
possibility
that
we
could
have
it
again.
We
could
look
at
Albuquerque,
perfect
example.
There's
probably
someone
in
Albuquerque
who
could
do
this
and
they
develop
all
the
time,
and
so
it
is.
It
is
a
possibility
that
it
could
happen,
but
it
is
a
low
probability.
O
I
believe
that
they
could
flip
this
development,
because
in
order
to
get
through
the
rungs,
the
rain
drinks
of
fire,
I
guess
to
be
a
chosen
candidate,
they
need
to
be
ready
for
the
subsidy
costs
they
needed
ready
for
the
payment
cost.
They
need
ready
for
the
construction
costs,
all
those
fees
and
taxes
that
go
with
it.
So
I
think
that
the
local
preference
candidate
will
not
just
be
by
themselves.
They
will
be
a
group
or
Syndicate
of
folks
who
have
come
together
for
this.
O
Mr,
chairman
councilorworth,
that's
correct:
we're
we're
hoping
that
out-of-state
developers
who
have
that
sort
of
capital
abundance
that
will
come
in
and
apply
for
this,
and
you
know
I'm
sure
there
are
other
cities
that
may
have
this
issue
with
local
preference.
So
some
developers
already
are-
you
know-
have
addressed
this
before,
so
it
again
keep
in
mind
that
it
could
be
that
they
come
to
the
table
with
a
with
a
price
tag.
O
That
is,
you
know,
an
offer
we
can't
refuse,
even
though
the
local
developer
might
have
something
that
just
reaches
the
evaluation
that
we
put
on
our
RFP.
So
there's
another
Known
Unknown
right,
we
may
have
developers
who
say
well,
you
have
this
number
but
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
bump
it
up
ten
percent,
because
you
probably
have
some
local
developers
they're
going
to
get
a
six
percent
bump
themselves.
H
Yep
and
I
guess
the
other
question
is
by
so
we
had
originally
thought.
We'd
put
the
whole
thing
on
the
market,
not
not
divided
up
the
way
we
have
some
for
affordable
housing,
some
for
the
the
other
seven
tracks
and
while
I
also
completely
appreciate
the
fact
that
we
need
affordable
housing.
H
You
know
I
don't
know.
Is
this
the
best
place
to
be
looking
for
affordable
housing
I?
What
the
other
piece
I
worry
about
is
what
happens
if
nobody
wants
this
hard
to
develop
land
are
we
you
know
hurting
ourselves
by
offering
it
this
way.
O
Mr,
chair
council
member
worth
again
a
Known
Unknown,
because
we
are
making
the
assumption
that
our
affordable
housing
community
does
see
this
as
an
opportunity
to
build
homes.
There.
G
O
O
O
There
it's
it's
laid
out
where,
where,
where,
where.
H
O
H
Okay-
and
you
know,
as
long
as
Alex
lad
is
in
the
back,
I
want
to
make
her
night
worthwhile.
Tell
me
about
this
6A
track
as
an
affordable
housing
site.
H
P
Chair
councilor
Romero
worth
before
we
even
got
this
far.
We
had
asked
Homewise
in
the
Housing,
Trust
and
habitat.
What
do
you
guys
think
are?
We
are
we
crazy
and
they
all
said,
of
course,
no
we
could
make
it
work,
so
we
do
think
we
have
local
capacity.
P
So
but
the
the
strategy
is
to
present
it
to
the
market
and
see
what
the
market
thinks
it
can
do
with
it
and
there
may
be.
They
may
follow
a
Homewise
model
where
there's
some
below
market
yet
not
considered
affordable
under
the
our
state
law
or
our
local
law,
but
then
more
deeply,
affordable
or
part
of
the
portions
I'm,
really
hoping
that
they
create
a
partnership
and
that
there's
actually
each
Builder's
building
to
their
own
strength
and
their
own
business
model,
but
that
they
can
kind
of
carve
it
up
that
way.
H
H
It's
an
area
that
probably
doesn't
have
a
whole
bunch
of
opportunities
for
affordable
buildings.
So
that's
a
plus
correct.
H
And
so
what
happens?
If
we
put
this
out
there
and
nobody
bites
for
either
side,
we
then
go
back
to
packaging
it
in
a
different
way,
and
maybe
the
original
way.
O
Mr,
chair
councilman
worth
it's
a
very
good
question:
if
no
one
bites,
it's
still
our
land.
So
you
know
I,
think
the
economist
was
here
recently
talking
about
macroeconomic
conditions.
We
may
wait
a
cycle.
We
may
just
wait
a
cycle.
We've
been
waiting
for
a
couple
years
to
make
this
happen,
so
we
may
just
wait
a
cycle
and
then
send
it
back
out
just
following
the
trends
of
of
the
economy
right.
H
I
was
going
to
ask
you
that
too
I
mean
you
know
with
the
talk
of
recession
we
might
have
with
missed
the
window
when
people
were
jumping
at
this
sort
of
thing
right
now,
things
are
tightening
up
and
maybe
it's
nobody's
willing
to
be.
You
know
investing
this
kind
of
money
for
hard
to
develop
land.
O
Mr,
chairman
councilman,
that's
exactly
correct.
We
would
send
out
this
public
notice,
there's
going
to
be
enough
time
there.
It's
not
a
it's,
not
a
30-day
turnaround,
so
it'll
be
quite
a
while
so
we'll
know,
and
in
the
process
we
may
elicit
some
feedback
from
our
RFP
webinar,
just
to
figure
out
who's
out
there
asking
questions,
we'll
kind
of
know
whether
or
not
how
big
a
response
we're
going
to
get.
So
it's
a
part
of
the
RFP
process.
We
can
answer
people's
questions.
Okay,.
H
I
I
think
I
do
need
to
maybe
schedule
some
time
to
make
sure
I'm
understanding
all
this
and
that
you
know
some
of
the
things
that
brought
up
before
that
that
caused
the
the
first
round
not
to
go
through.
You
know
kind
of
how
the
lengthy
discussions
that
counselor
Garcia
mentions
I
think
I
I
need
probably
some
more
understanding
of.
You
know
how
how
those
concerns
were
resolved
and
I
mean
I.
Think
tonight,
I
have
a
thumbnail
sketch
but
I
think
I'd
like
a
little
bit
more.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
B
Answer
any
other
questions:
counselor
Mike's.
B
I
Help
provide
clarification
for
councilor
Romero
worth
that.
The
the
main
challenge
that
was
before
us
in
the
last
resolution
was
regarding
local
preference.
How
can
we
ensure
that
we're
bringing
folks
to
the
table
that
are
local
to
ensure
we're
providing
opportunity
for
that
money
to
stay
in
the
community
and
the
the
main
Crux
of
the
debate
was:
how
do
we
determine
local?
Because
in
the
prior
resolution
it
just
said
local,
we
didn't
have
any
parameters
regarding
how
we
were
going
to
determine
local.
I
So,
with
this
new
resolution,
we've
got
two
different
criteria
that
clearly
delineate
local
preference.
What
that
means
to
get
that
three
percent
and
three
percent
we
we
Council
councilwoman,
would
be
a
rail
and
myself
figured
since
we're
going
to
be
working
on
this,
let's
figure
out
how
to
increase
the
supply
of
affordable
housing.
Given
that
we've
seen
success
regarding
the
donation
of
city
land
in
the
past-
and
we
figured
let's
try
it,
let's
figure
it
out,
we
we
have
this
land
and
I
figure.
I
We
figured
let's,
let's,
let's
put
this
to
the
market:
let's
have
the
market
tested
and
if
it
doesn't
work,
then
we
can't
say
we
didn't
try.
So
that's
what
we're
doing
with
this
is
we're
trying
we're
trying
to
how
to
figure
out
how
to
provide
local
preference
and
we're
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
provide
affordable
units
in
a
part
of
town
that
usually
doesn't
have
any
affordable
units
so
happy
to
answer
any
questions,
Offline
that
you
may
have
so
with
that
I
don't
know
if
a
motion
could
be
made.
B
Your
approval
in
a
second
any
further
discussion.
I
do
have
one
follow-up
question:
I'm,
not
sure
who
this
is
for,
but
I
believe
like
another
projects,
that
the
city
does
there's
a
10
local
preference.
So
why
wasn't
that
vote
forth
here?
Instead
of
six
percent.
O
B
Well,
you're,
locking
up
Miss
Salazar.
The
question
was
I.
Think
in
other
projects,
I
think
like.
If
you're
bidding
to
do
I
don't
know
building
a
teen
center,
you
get
a
10
local
preference,
and
here
we're
only
offering
six
so
just
wondering.
N
Sure
we
tied
the
six
percent
to
the
procurement
preference,
so
we
did
some
research
about
what
the
percentages
of
local
preference
could
be.
We
did
not
find
any
jurisdictions
that
allowed
for
a
larger
percentage.
N
So
what
we
did
was
we
tied
it
to
the
procurement,
because
we
knew
that
at
least
that
realm
was
a
safe
realm,
and
so
we
we
matched
that
so
that
part
of
it
is
that
Resident
business
license
and
part
of
it
is
the
city
of
Santa,
Fe
I,
don't
actually
know
exactly
what
the
what
the
teen
center
circumstances
are
and
I
have
a
feeling.
Maybe
wheeler
does.
D
Chairman
actually,
as
as
City
attorney
Salazar
said,
the
the
our
procurement
manual
has
the
local
preference
set
at
three
percent
three
percent,
so
they
would
never
get
tempered.
That
was
the
old
days.
F
B
O
Yeah
Mr
chair,
that's
a
very
good
question.
I
think
that
you
might
have
a
PO
Box
here,
but
you
you
would
need
to
have
the
compliance
diligence
done
to
see
if
you're
an
actual
business
here.
So
you
may
have
a
PO
box,
but
you
do
have
to
have
some
physical
presence
here
with
that
PO
box,
and
we
have
a
lot
of
out-of-state
companies
that
you
know
they
have
little
satellites
but
there's
no
there's
no
capacity
or
or
human
resources
here.
O
So
that
would
be
a
question
that
we'd
have
to
sort
of
dig
into,
but
I
don't
recall
that
you
can
get
your
license
and
say:
you're
a
Santa
Fe
based
business,
just
a
PO
Box.
You
actually
have
to
have
an
inspection
and
go
to
the
compliance
Etc
et
cetera.
N
Chair
I
I
actually
believe
that
someone
who's
doing
business
here
has
to
get
a
business
license.
So
we
have
like
law
firms
that
are
housed
in
Philadelphia,
but
have
to
obtain
a
business.
A
Santa
Fe
business
license
in
order
to
contract
with
us,
so
that
type
of
entity
could
get
a
city
business
license.
N
So
there
I
mean
we
might
have
to
do
some
due
diligence
to
see
how
long
they
had
the
business
license,
whether
they're,
actually
local,
maybe
that's
more
definition
into
our
local
preference
parameters.
I
haven't
really
thought
about
that
until
you
brought
it
up
who's.
O
Mr
chair
that
that
would
come
through
the
evaluation
team.
You
know
they
would
vet
those
folks,
especially
if
of
those
candidates
made
it.
You
know
the
evaluation,
the
ranked
number
one
there'd
be
a
lot
of
vetting
that
would
come
before
it
would
even
get
to
a
committee.
Because
of
the
importance
of
this
local
preference.
B
B
We're
on
the
item
F:
can
you
read
that
into
the
record?
Please
miss
this.
C
B
A
You
chair,
I,
I,
just
I
pulled
it
primarily
because
I
voted
no
against
this
at
the
last
meeting,
and
so
without
pulling
it.
I
cannot
do
that
again
through
consent.
I
did
have
a
question
in
regards
to
the
fiscal
impact
because
I
was
going
through
there.
It
says
it's
a
400
fiscal
impact
and
how
did
we
derive
to
that
number.
A
Themselves,
and
that
would
cover
signs
at
all
facilities
that
were
mentioned
in
the
resolution.
A
R
Mr
chairman
Council
Garcia,
thank
you
for
the
question.
We
have
not
begun
work
on
the
signs
themselves,
yet
we're
waiting
to
see
if
this
actually
passes
through
the
governing
body,
but
my
sense
would
be
it
would
comply
with
similar
signs
placed
around
the
state
and
I
think
it
would
likely
include
some
reference
to
the
statute
itself.
A
Thank
you,
so
have
you
looked
at
signs
that
have
been
posted
around
the
state
in
regards
to
this.
R
Mr
chairman
councilor
Garcia
I,
myself
have
not
I,
don't
know
if
the
staff
have
been
working
on
the
bill
on
the
resolution
rather
have
done
that.
But
we're
happy
to
ask.
A
Okay,
who
is
the
staff
working
on
on
this
I,
know
that
it's
sponsored
by
quite
a
few
people,
so.
R
Mr,
chair,
Council,
Garcia,
I
I've,
worked
on
it
I
think
a
City
attorney
has
worked
on
I,
think
director
Ochoa
has
worked
on
it
a
little
bit
and
I
believe
the
sponsors
have
done
most
of
the
heavy
lifting
but
I
think
the
City
attorney
and
former
staffer
Jesse
gee
and
as
well,
have
done
a
significant
amount
of
work
on
it.
Thank.
A
You
I
appreciate
you
staying
that
for
the
record
I
again
just
my
my
personal
feelings
on
this,
and
also
through
discussion
at
our
previous
committee
meetings.
I
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done
on
this.
If
it
is
something
that
we
do
pass
as
a
I
think
it's
gonna
pass,
I
mean
it's
already
being
supported
by
five
governing
body
members
and
so
I
just
once
again
pulled
it
to
to
ask
a
few
questions
in
regards
to
signage
how
it's
going
to
be
done.
A
Answers
haven't
been
given
to
that
I
believe
it
was
stated
in
our
previous
committee
meeting
and
I
believe
it's
the
opinion
of
our
City
attorney
that
we're
in
the
complete
legal
authority
to
do
this
now
and
I
would
sensibly
think
that
we,
that
is
not
consistent
with
what
our
state
constitution
allows
and
I
would
hope
that
this
is
not
going
to
bring
forth
any
type
of
litigation
by
any
groups
which
would
directly
affect
our
city
and
our
constituent
base.
So
that's
all
I
have
to
say
for
tonight.
B
Answer
any
other
questions:
councilor
Michael
Garcia
thank.
B
I
I
Okay
and
that's
one
thing,
I've
heard
from
constituents
past
this
law,
you
need
to
ask
this
ordinance
past.
It's
we're
not
passing
a
law
there's.
This
is
current
law
that
prohibits
deadly
weapons
in
spaces
where
School,
related
and
sanctioned
activities
are
being
performed,
and
so,
for
example,
should
a
field
trip
be
in
attendance
with
us
during
this
meeting,
deadly
weapons
would
be
prohibited
in
the
council.
Chambers
am
I,
correct.
R
I
And
and
so
I
think
the
answer
to
that
is
yes,
it
they
would
be
prohibited
or
am
I
correct,
am
I
incorrect.
I
Q
Mr,
chair,
councilor,
Garcia
I,
believe
you
are
correct.
I
would
ask
that
we
affirm
that
with
the
City
attorney,
the
resolution
is
not
an
ordinance,
as
you've
mentioned.
The
resolution
underscoring
that
our
public
buildings
are
also
covered
by
the
existing
78
statute
right.
So
it
provides
additional
information
to
the
public
to
underscore
that
these
buildings,
too,
are
covered
under
that
78
statute.
Correct.
I
And
in
this
sense,
when
public
school
and
sanction
activities
are
being
performed
that
we
fall
into
that
category
and
that
that
means
any
building
throughout
the
entire
State,
not
just
City
County,
it
means.
I
I
Okay,
and-
and
so
thank
you
for
the
clarification
on
that
and
and
I
guess,
I
would
be
very
interested
in
regards
to
what
I
think
there's
only
one
other
municipality.
That's
acted
upon
this,
which
is
the
City
of
Albuquerque
through
executive
order
by
mayor
Keller,
so
I'd
be
interested
in
seeing
an
example
of
the
signage
being
utilized
by
the
City
of
Albuquerque
it
just
as
an
example
not
to
say
we're
going
to
replicate
what
they're
putting
up
but
to
just
to
learn
like
what
they're
displaying
in
their
City
facilities.
I
So
if
we
can
have
that
I
know
it's
not
possible
tonight,
but
given
that
it's
already
passed,
one
committee
we'll
be
going
to
the
governing
body
and
if
we
can
have
that
prepared
for
the
governing
body
meeting,
that
would
be
fantastic.
Mr.
R
Chairman
Council
Garcia
we're
happy
to
reach
out
and
ask
about
that
as
I
understand
it
I
think
this
will
be
on
the
governing
body
agenda
on
January,
25th
and
I
will
flag
I'm,
not
aware
that
Albuquerque
is
the
only
municipality
that
was
the
only
one
that
I
am
aware
of.
As
of
when
we
spoke
or
last
week.
Okay,.
I
I
B
Any
other
questions.
B
I
do
have
a
question
foreign.
B
This
is
a
current
law
that
we're
just
gonna
put
signage
up
about
yeah
recently,
I
think
Within
in
my
tenure
as
a
counselor,
we
had
a
individual
open,
carry
into
this
Chambers
and
address
us
from
the
from
where
you're
standing
with
a
firearm
on
his
side,
and
we
were
told
at
that
time
by
a
City
attorney
that
that's
his
constitutional
right.
Q
Mr
Tara,
my
understanding
is
that
the
interpretation
is
allowing
public
buildings
where
school-sponsored
activities
take
place,
to
be
part
of
to
be
understood
by
the
public
to
be
part
of
the
state
statute,
and
so,
if
this
interpretation
had
been
brought
at
that
time,
I
think
that
could
have
been
possible
at
that
time.
I
think
it's
it's
sort
of
bringing
to
light
that
this
is
a
way
to
ensure
that
in
buildings,
where
school-sponsored
activities
take
place,
Firearms
are
not
allowed.
R
On
this
Mr
chairman
I,
think
based
on
the
comments
that
the
City
attorney
made
at
the
quality
of
life
meeting
last
week
and
I'll
I,
don't
want
to
speak
for
her
I'll
speak
for
myself.
We
feel
as
if
we
are
on
very
credible
legal
standing.
R
R
I
You
Mr,
chair
and-
and
this
was
brought
up
during
the
quality
of
life
committee
meeting
regarding
individuals
with
Firearms
here
in
the
chambers.
I
I
can't
speak
for
the
opinion
of
the
prior
City
attorney,
but
going
off
of
the
current
law
it.
It
clearly
states
that
when
this,
the
facility
is
being
utilized
by
Public
School
related
and
sanctioned
activities.
I
Now
in
the
example
I
gave
earlier,
if
there
was
School
related
and
sanctioned
activity
taking
place
and
in
City
Hall
during
a
council
meeting,
and
somebody
comes
with
the
firearm
or
a
deadly
weapon
that
would
violate
the
state
statute
again.
I
Reading
the
law,
if
there
is
no
Public,
School
related
or
sanctioned
activities
being
performed
in
City
Hall
at
the
time
of
a
city
council
meeting,
this
law
does
not
apply.
It
only
applies
when
Public
School,
related
and
sanctioning
activities
are
being
performed,
and
so
I
think.
That's
where
maybe
some
misunderstanding
of
the
public
is
because
the
law
would
only
apply
when
the
activities
are
being
performed
and
so
I
think
you.
I
You
brought
up
an
issue
of
litigation
against
the
city
because
of
enacting
this
I
also
look
at
it
from
a
different
perspective
of
litigation
against
the
city,
where
somebody
is
given
a
fourth
degree
Melody
charge
and
they
were
in
a
facility.
Let's
continue
with
the
city
hall
example,
and
there
are
no
school
sanctioned
activities
taking
place.
So
there's
no
law
to
be
broken
was
that
person
falsely
charged,
thus
warranting
litigation
on
the
officer
that
also
charged
him
and
so
I
think.
I
I
Let's
see,
I
apologize,
I
had
it
pulled
up,
but
for
my
recollection
there
are
certain
MRC,
I,
think
or
the
library
what
happens
when
those
facilities
aren't
being
utilized
as
school
sanctions
or
School,
sanctioned
activities
and
and
I.
Think
that's
where
I
think
councilor
Garcia
brought
it
up
in
the
past
meeting
as
well.
I
Did
the
signs
come
up
and
come
down
and
I'm
interested
in
the
signage
that's
utilized
by
other
entities,
because
if
we
do
move
forward
with
this,
I
would
I
would
strongly
encourage
that
we
incorporate
language
that
says
something
such
as
deadly
weapons
are
prohibited
in
this
building,
while
Public
School,
related
and
school,
sanctioned
activities
are
being
performed
and
then
cite
the
statute.
I
That
way,
it's
clear
that
if
this
is
going
on
you're
violating
the
law,
if
you
bring
a
deadly
weapon
in
here
and
deadly
weapons,
Beyond
a
firearm
I
mean
a
deadly
weapon,
could
be
a
knife,
so
I
think
that's
where
again,
we
want
to
make
sure
we
are.
We
are
doing
everything
we
can
to
alert
the
community
not
only
of
what's
prohibited
but
but
alert
them
of
hey.
I
If
you
bring
this
in
here,
you're
gonna
get
in
trouble,
you
bring
in
your
pocket
knife,
you
can
get
a
fourth
degree
felony
charge
against
you
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
clearly
educating
the
community
on
what
is
currently
law
and
place
and
how
a
person
can
be
an
offender
of
the
law.
So
hopefully
that
helped
to
clarify.
Maybe
the
past.
That's
probably
why?
Because
there
wasn't
cool
kids
in
in
the
chambers
at.
F
G
H
B
H
We
could
get
the
city
manager
or
director
Ochoa
to
help
us
understand
what
we
are
trying
to
do
with
this
resolution,
because
I
don't
think
the
way
it
was
just
described
as
accurate
foreign.
R
Councilor
Garcia,
if
I,
can
speak
to
all
this
briefly
I'm,
not
as
eloquent
as
the
City
attorney
and
so
I
defer
to
her
and
we'll
have
her
seat
up
on
the
25th.
But
when
we
we're
at
the
quality
of
life
meeting,
she
discussed
the
interpretation
of
the
word
being
held.
R
It
doesn't
necessarily
mean
we
would
put
the
sign
up
from
eight
to
nine
because
there's
an
event
happening
and
then
take
it
down
at
nine
and
put
it
back
up
at
11,
because
there's
an
event
going
on
the
definition
is
in
the
statute.
I
believe
is
broader
than
that,
and
so
we
we
will
make
sure
that
the
City
attorney
does
bring
a
better
explanation
than
what
I
can
do
right
now
for
you,
when
it's
at
the
governing
body
meeting
beyond
that.
R
The
goal
of
this
is
to
provide
certainty
for
the
community,
so
they
understand
the
rules
of
the
road
for
lack
of
a
better
term
of
what's
happening.
The
goal
is
to
provide
notice
to
lawful
gun
owners
and
those
people
who
wish
to
harm
that
these
weapons
were
not
allowed
in
these
facilities.
The
signage
isn't
intended
to
confuse
it's
not
intended
to
do
anything
other
than
to
make
sure
that
public
knows
that
if
they
pull
up
in
their
car
with
a
weapon
in
the
car,
they
should
leave
it
in
the
car.
R
It's
not
welcome
in
the
building,
and
so
the
goal
of
this
is
to
provide
Clarity
to
the
community
or
the
certainty
for
the
community
and
as
I
discussed
at
the
quality
of
life
meeting
as
well.
This
is
one
of
what
will
hopefully
be
a
number
of
things
that
this
governing
body
that
the
Congress
that
the
state
legislature
do
to
try
to
bring
an
end
to
the
epidemic
of
gun
violence
in
this
country.
All
flag
today
is
Monday.
R
Yesterday,
I
believe
was
the
12th
anniversary
of
when
Gabby
Giffords
was
shot
and
six
people
were
killed
in
Arizona.
We're
all
very
aware
of
the
six-year-old
who
shot
their
teacher
on
the
East
Coast
last
week,
I'll
again
say
that
we
know
that
gun
violence
is
the
third
leading
cause
of
death
of
children
in
New
Mexico.
H
H
You
know
having
to
check
buildings
to
see
whether
they're
public
school,
kids
or
some
activity
going
on
the
idea
is:
if
the
building
is
used
for
sanctions,
school
activities
or
the
playing
field
or
whatever,
then
the
sign
will
be
there
as
long
as
that
facility
or
field
continues
to
be
used
in
that
manner,
so
I
as
one
of
the
co-sponsors.
This
is
not
the
idea
that
we're
going
to
be
taking
down
signs
and
creating
this
huge
administrative
burden
to
put
them
up
and
take
them
down.
H
E
You
chair
my
understanding
too
and
city
manager.
You
could
clarify
if
I'm
correct,
the
signs
wouldn't
need
to
go
up
and
down
because
of
the
fact
that
it's
just
identifying
the
fact
that
that
building
is
used
by
a
school
sanctioned
event
at
some
point,
so
it's
not
going
to
stay
what
hours.
It's
just
going
to
say.
We've
identified
this
building
as
being
utilized
by
public
schools,
and
for
that
reason
the
statue
be
aware
of
the
state
statute,
correct.
E
So
really
it's
just
the
communication
of
identification
that
we
have
school,
sanctioned
events
present
in
our
buildings,
which
is
informative
and
I
know
you
know,
I
use
the
word
quality
of
life
in
a
way
of
being
transparent
to
the
community
as
to
our
partnership
with
school
districts
within
our
area
and
the
fact
that
we're
taking
initiative
to
keep
our
students
safe,
but
also
being
very
clear
in
our
communication,
so
that
the
Public's
aware
of
that
as
well
yeah
all
right.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
sorry,
I
had
some
more
discussion
on
this
and
and
while
I
appreciate
the
the
reasoning
behind
this,
because
obviously
we
need
to
take
steps
to
to
keep
our
community
safe.
A
It
see
again
this
this
resolution.
Well,
not
a
law
and
it
well.
Its
intent
is
to
to
try
to
keep
people
safe.
A
I
I,
disagree
that
that
is
what
is
really
going
to
happen
and
the
reason
being
for
that
is
how
many
schools
visit
City
buildings,
how
many
schools
go
on
field
trips
to
The,
Wildlife
Center,
how
many
schools
we
already
know
this
and
and
again
what
we
are
trying
to
do
here
is
to
say:
here's
a
sign
guns
are
not
allowed
here
and
I
believe
that
in
itself,
even
though
we're
utilizing
the
state
statute
to
justify
this
I
think
that
it
opens
us
up
to
scrutiny
from
other
organizations
that,
at
some
point
will
contest
this
and
I.
A
Think
that's
where
it
really
does
feel
like
just
something
that
again,
I
I've
already
voted
no
against
this
and
we'll
go
on
to
the
next
meeting,
but
I
don't
believe.
We've
had
any
outside
recommendations,
I
I
believe
councilor.
Garcia
mentioned
this
regards
to
the
attorney
general's
position.
Yeah,
have
we
sought
that
out.
R
B
Thank
you,
counselor
I,
I,
think
of
the
Chavez
Center
when
I
think
about
this
and.
G
B
Have
swim
meets
there
I
think
that
involve
high
schools
even
even
grade
schools,
I
think.
F
Q
In
addition
to
the
swim
meets,
we
also
have
the
after
school
programs
the
summer
programs
right
but
I
guess.
The
primary
purpose
is
when
buildings
host
School
sponsored
events,
those
are
buildings
which
cannot
would
prohibit
Lethal
lethal
weapons.
So
that
means
any
time
that
the
building
does
that
there
will
be
a
sign
on
that
building
and
that
will
be
prohibited
and.
R
Minister
chairman,
our
Police
Department,
isn't
currently
enforcing
the
laws.
Now,
if
someone
were
to
show
up
to
the
G
Triple
C
today
and
say,
I
see
a
person
standing
with
a
gun
in
the
lobby,
call
9-1-1
the
police
will
show
up
and
enforce
the
existing
law.
The
difference
now
is
that
this
resolution
would
allow
us
to
have
the
sign
us
up
to
notify
law
abiding
citizens
in
advance
that
they
should
not
bring
these
weapons
into
the
building.
B
All
right,
but
we're
not
going
to
do
anything
proactively,
to
enforce
this,
like
some
kind
of
system
to
to
notify.
E
F
Q
Mr,
chair
I,
think
that's
something
to
explore
in
the
future
in
terms
of
Staff
training
what
to
do
so
that.
F
Q
Are
also
aware
of
what
this
means
and
I
think
this
is
a
good
opportunity
for
that.
R
R
It
will
likely
be
many
trainings
around
how
to
handle
an
active
shooter
situation,
how
to
make
sure
that,
particularly
for
our
our
Frontline
employees,
who
are
there
how
to
handle
someone
who
comes
in
with
a
deadly
weapon
or
a
gun,
how
to
help
save
lives
of
others,
how
to
save
their
own
lives,
and
that
will
be
some
ongoing
training
that
we
continue
to
do.
R
Mr,
chairman
I,
think
no
matter
what
signs
or
laws
we
pass.
We
have
people
who
break
the
law.
F
C
Okay,
now
we're
at
the
end:
okay,
counselor
Romeo
worth
and
chairman
Rivera.
B
I
It's
an
open-ended.
If
it's,
if
something
takes
place
once
it's
open-ended
forever
and
I
think
a
need
further
clarification
on
that
and
and
the
signs
Etc
I
will
have
another
opportunity
to
debate
this
topic
at
governing
body
that
it's,
given
that
it's
passed
one
committee
so
I
look
forward
to
further.
B
H
Well,
this
is
where
it
gets
tricky
because
abstentions
are
actually
yes
votes,
so
yeah
I,
don't
know
what
to
tell
you
there.
Our.
H
A
Let's
see
if
I
could,
just
chime
in
it
would
seem
to
me
of
an
extension,
is
neutral.
So
two
vs
votes
against
one
Noble
I
know
that's.
H
A
Common
sense
tells
me,
but
it
would
have
to
be
in
our
and
an
interpretation
of
the
rules.
F
B
Already
passed
one
committee,
so
it's
gonna
move
forward
to
the
governing
body.
So
but
I
don't
think
we
can
say
that
it
passes
committees.
B
E
R
G
B
B
You
action
items
discussion.
We
have
nothing
executive
session,
nothing
matters
from
stuff.
This
wheeler.
D
Thank
you,
Mr
chair
members
of
the
committee,
I
thought
I
would
make
you
aware
there
has
been
a
mid-year
budget
adjustment
bar
that
the
governing
body
has
been
reviewing
and
committees,
and
there
is
another
one
coming
for
the
parks
and
open
space
division
that
will
have
additional
resources
to
support
homelessness
management,
as
well
as
the
golf
course
and
and
all
of
our
Parks
actually
overall,
and
so
we're
working
with
Finance.
M
You
Mr.
D
B
You
Matters
from
the
committee
councilor
Michael
Griffin.
I
I
think
it's
come
to
all
of
our
attention
that
they're
are
some
rebranding
efforts
underway
for
the
municipal
golf
course,
Marty
Sanchez
golf
course
and
I
think
there's
also
maybe
potentially
some
confusion
out
there
in
the
community
and
so
to
help
maybe
alleviate
some
concerns
and
confusion.
Director,
wheeler
I,
don't
know
if
it
might
be
possible
to
have
a
presentation
be
given
to
us
on
the
plan
for
any
potential
rebranding
efforts
for
Marty
Sanchez.
I
Just
that
way,
the
community's
aware
it
was
the
first
I
was
aware
of
it
and
I
think
it
would
help
us
all
move
forward
in
a
direction
towards
should
we
begin
to
rebranding
it's
a
process
that
we
can
fully
understand
and
fully
stand
behind
after
being
educated
on,
what's
taking
place
so
I,
don't
know
if
that's
possible,
to
get
a
presentation
on.
D
That
thank
you
so
much
Mr
chair,
councilor
Garcia.
D
Actually,
there
is
no
effort
to
Rebrand
the
golf
course
and
but
the
reason
the
whole
question
came
up
is
because
the
golf
course
manager
is
going
to
give
us
a
presentation
at
the
next
public
works
and
utilities
committee
meeting
about
his
assessment
of
the
golf
course
in
his
new
time
here
and
some
action
plans
for
moving
forward
and
some
something
about
his
presentation
triggered
people
to
think
it
had
been
rebranded,
but
can
definitely
get
that
confirmation
from
him
and
I
believe
he's
scheduled
to
be
here
at
our
next
meeting
as
well.
Okay,.
I
Thank
you
for
that,
but
I
I've
heard
different
from
staff
where
they
said
they're,
there's
plans
to
Rebrand
the
website
and
Logo.
So
if
we
can
just
get
an
update
during
the
meeting
regarding
what
Mr
Weiss's
plans
are
regarding
websites
and
logos
and
names
Etc,
that
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to.
D
Thank
you
Mr
chair
and
councilor
Garcia.
You
said
from
staff
because
I
mean
staff
is
Melissa.
Mcdonald,
director
and
Jonathan
Weiss
and
I,
and
we've
been
responding
to
constituent
complaints
last
weekend
that
they
perceived
there
was
pre-branding,
but
there
isn't
rebranding.
So
it
kind
of
would
surprise
me
that
staff
said
that
there
was
rebranding.
I
And
I
can
read
you.
The
email
from
director,
McDonald
John
is
looking
at
upgrades
to
the
website
and
the
logo,
but
not
the
name:
okay,
great,
that
that's
what
I
received
and
so
I
think,
like
I,
said
just
just
to
alleviate
any
concerns
and
help
educate
the
community
in
regards
to
future
processes
that
will
be
taking
place.
Let's,
let's
get
the
elephant
out
of
the
room
and
address
it.
I
think
and.