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B
Yes,
ma'am
chair
counselor
cassette
here:
councilor
michael
garcia,
president
councillor
villarreal.
D
A
You
so
much
moving
on
to
our
next
item.
We
have
approval
of
the
agenda.
Are
there
any
changes
from
staff?
A
E
A
B
Cassette
yes,
counselor
michael
garcia,
yes,
council,
villarreal,
yes,
councilor
lee
garcia,
yes,
councillor
chavez,
yes
motion
passes.
Thank
you
so
much.
A
F
Councilwoman
vitoria.
Yes,
I'd
like
to
discuss
item
b
as
in
boy.
A
Again,
I
have
a
motion
from
counselor,
michael
garcia,
a
second
from
councillor
chavez,
ms
martin,
a
roll
call
vote.
Please
erica.
A
Thank
you
so
much
moving
on
to
item
five
approval
of
the
minutes
from
the
march
2nd
2022
quality
of
life
committee
meeting.
Are
there
any
changes
from
staff?
A
A
G
A
G
A
Right
moving
on
to
item
six
presentations,
6a
is
the
homelessness
and
encampment
update
from
community
health
and
safety
department.
Presentation,
kira
ochoa
is
here
to
present,
and
I
believe
that
there
are
others,
and
I
will
let
you
introduce
them
kira
floor
is
yours.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
Kale
pendus
into
the
meeting
that
would
be
helpful.
We
also
have
two
other
guests
from
las
cruces
and
from
denver
and
anna
can
invite
those
folks
in
and
we
can
begin.
I
Accept
thank
you
so
much,
and
so
with
that
I
will
ask
anna
to
share
her
screen
hello,
anna
kale,
pandas,
youth
and
family
services,
division
program
manager
and
has
done
a
substantial
amount
of
work
on
our
presentation
for
you
tonight.
As
you
know,
I'm
kira
ochoa.
We
also
have
two
guests
anna.
Can
you
please
name
them
and
have
them
brought
into
the
meeting
as
well.
I
I
So
anna
will
talk
to
you
about
what
we're
looking
at
right
now
in
santa
fe.
H
H
I
And
we
find
that
a
lot
of
the
nonprofits
that
are
performing
this
street
outreach.
You
know,
do
a
good
job,
but
are
still
having
trouble
connecting
to
all
clients,
especially
because
people
move
around
and
the
key
to
getting
people
connected
to
services
when
they're
unsheltered
is
building
relationships
with
them.
Many
of
folks
have
been
through
various
attempts
to
be
helped
or
get
help
and
that's
been
unsuccessful.
So
a
lot
of
what
the
outreach
folks
and
the
experts
in
the
community,
such
as
lifelink's
outreach
path
team
meet
our
own
mijo
group
southwest
cares.
I
What
they
seek
to
do
is
build
relationships
with
people.
The
biggest
challenge
is,
of
course,
if
people
are
moving
around
a
lot
that
that's
hard
so
prior
to
the
pandemic,
when
I
was
the
community
services
director,
I
spoke
with
our
parks
and
rec
director,
our
police
chief,
at
that
time
and
folks
in
our
public
works
department,
and
we
put
together
an
estimate
that
we
were
spending
about
3.4
million
dollars
annually
on
encampments.
I
That
would
often
be
cleaned
up
and
people
would
be
asked
to
move
on
only
to
pop
up,
maybe
10
or
20
yards
down
the
the
road
from
where
they
had
been.
So
it
was
a
real
revolving
door
and
it
was
pretty
ineffective
that
3.4
million
was
made
up
of
10
to
20,
in
some
cases,
to
clean
up
individual
camps,
as
well
as
staff
time
from
parks
and
recs
workers,
the
police
and
sometimes
our
fire
teams,
as
well
as
the
environment,
division.
H
So
our
emergen
here's
the
language
from
our
current
emergency
proclamation.
It
says:
facilitating
the
continued
application
of
the
policy
adopted
to
evaluate
and
address
the
public,
health
and
safety
risks,
including
illegal
activity,
flash
floods,
environmental
compliance
of
and
locations
of
encampments,
and
it
goes
on
to
talk
about
how
this
goes
along
with
our
built
for
zero
work,
which
is
our
the
work
that
we're
doing
to
address
homelessness,
really
holistically
in
santa
fe.
H
I
I
will
say
that
we
feel
confident
that
this
strategy
has
helped
in
stopping
the
spread
of
covet
among
homeless
populations.
Many
of
our
shelters
have
told
us
that
people
did
not
feel
comfortable
inside
a
congregate
shelter.
I
Many
people
that
outreach
workers
have
relationships
with
have
told
told
us
the
same
thing
that
they
were
their
strategy
for
staying
coveted
free
was
to
be
unsheltered
in
some
cases,
of
course,
we're
at
a
different
moment
in
our
pandemic,
but
I
think
that
there
are
still
many
people
who
who
do
not
want
to
go
into
our
congregate,
shelters.
H
And
this
next
slide
really
goes
into
further
detail
about
that
cdc
recommendation
that
allows
for
some
unsheltered
sleeping
locations
to
serve
as
a
really
great
way
to
socially
distance
and
prevent
the
spread
of
kovid,
particularly
when
there
are
not
individual
housing
options
like
housing
or
hotels
or
non-congregate
shelter,
options.
I
For
that
I
don't
mean
to
interrupt
you
anna,
but
we
also
should
note
that
our
midtown
shelter
was
a
huge
strategy
around
stopping
the
spread
of
covid,
because
those
are
individual
rooms
and
individual
dorm
rooms,
and
that
shelter
remains
full
at
this
time.
So
it
doesn't
meet
the
entire
need
that
is
still
out
there.
H
That's
correct,
and
while
this
this
practice
that
we've
adopted
has
done
tremendous
work
to
reduce
the
spread
of
covet
19,
there
are
challenges
that
come
with
that
our
current
practice
really
isn't
the
ideal
solution
for
anyone.
H
H
H
We
can't
end
homelessness
unless
we're
ending
it
for
everyone
and
creating
pathways
to
housing
for
people
that
don't
require
them
to
stay
in
a
shelter
is
a
critical
part
of
that
work,
being
unsheltered
kind
of
poses
its
own
set
of
challenges
to
those
individuals,
lack
of
access
to
sanitation,
services,
weather
protection,
electricity
kind
of
really
basic
services.
I
Director
ochoa,
do
you
want
to
speak
today,
so
in
the
fall
of
of
last
year,
we
we
commissioned
a
report
from
amy
faraways.
This
was
in
your
packet
to
look
at
short,
medium
and
long-term
solutions
for
unsheltered
homelessness,
and
I
hope
you've
had
a
chance
to
take
a
look
at
that
report.
I
think
it's
very
interesting
members
of
the
public.
I
also
would
invite
to
take
a
look
at
it.
I
She,
ms
faraways,
interviewed
many
unsheltered
people
here
in
santa
fe
and
talked
to
them
about
some
of
their
challenges
and
needs
as
well.
As
you
know,
looking
at
the
non-nonprofit
provider
community
and
some
of
the
impacts
on
the
local
community
and
neighbors
employment
for
people.
Her
recommendation
in
that
report
is
a
short-term
solution.
I
It
doesn't
end
people's
homelessness,
but
it
allows
potentially
for
people
to
be
better
connected
to
services
that
will
end
their
homelessness
and
it
would
be
managed
camping
and
we,
you
know,
looked
at
the
number
of
people
that
we
estimate
to
be
out
there
to
be
potentially
150.
Although
that's
not
an,
you
know
perfectly
accurate
account,
so
we
don't
really
want
sites
that
have
more
than
25
people
or
so
so
we're
looking
at
potentially
up
to
four
designated
areas.
I
We're
assuming
we're
not
going
to
have
you
know,
be
able
to
serve
every
single
person
who's
out
there,
but
we
can
start
perhaps
with
four
scattered
sites
serving
no
more
than
25
people
in
different
parts
of
the
city.
I
We
do
have
our
mobile
hygiene
unit
in
play,
we're
we're
hoping
to
hire
folks
into
that,
and
we
do
see
that
as
something
that
would
contribute
to
providing
the
hygiene
and
we've
spoken
to
some
of
our
neighboring
for
our
non-profit
partners
about
what
they
might
be
willing
to
do
to
support
these
encampments.
Should
we
should
we,
as
a
city,
decide
to
go
forward
with
them?
I
The
picture
you
see
there
is
from
camp
hope
in
las
cruces
and
those
are
structures.
They
started
out
as
tents
on
pallets
and
now
sort
of
semi.
You
know
sort
of
shed
like
structures.
The
the
photo
on
the
left
is
something
you
can
get
at
home
depot
for.
I
think
it's
250
dollars.
It's
a
it's
like
a
greenhouse
hoop
house
that
would
hold
heat,
and
you
could
also
put
tents
inside
of
those.
But
there
are
a
number
of
different
structures
that
that
could
be
looked
at
as
as
possible
dwellings.
H
So
as
we've
kind
of
started
to
form
some
of
these
plans
and
strategies
around
looking
at
what
this
may
look
like
in
our
community,
there's
some
rules
for
these
sites
that
are
generally
recommended
through
communities
that
have
done
this
in
the
past,
but
also
working
with.
As
director
ochoa
mentioned,
we
had
that
report
commissioned
and
that
consultant
did
tremendous
work
in
gathering
input
from
community
providers
and
people
who
are
experiencing
unsheltered
homelessness
in
our
community,
and
so
some
of
these
rules
came
directly
from
that
work
and
it's
pretty
basic.
H
But
the
emphasis
is
really
around
health
and
safety
and
protecting
protecting
both
the
individuals
who
are
going
to
be
in
these
sites
and
the
neighboring
community.
So
no
open
drug
or
alcohol
use
no
violence
sites
being
limited
to
a
a
smaller
number
of
individuals.
H
H
Additionally,
we
have
been
working
with
our
our
friends
at
the
fire
department
to
look
at
additional
fire
safety
measures.
Fire
suppression
and
fire
prevention
are
big
concerns
with
things
like
this,
so
additional
rules
around
that
around
no
open
fires,
including
propane,
cooking,
grills,
no
open
flames
really
of
any
kind
for
any
reason,
and
our
fire
department
is
working
to
put
together
some
additional
fire
guidelines.
H
Again,
as
we've
been
forming
this
this
plan,
using
the
recommendations
that
came
from
the
report
that
we
commissioned,
as
well
as
our
own
local
information
gathering,
we've
looked
at
a
set
of
criteria
that
would
help
to
determine
what
these
sites
could
be
and
there's
some
elements
of
sites
that
are
really
critical
to
making
this
a
successful
project
like
access
for
emergency
vehicles,
trash
pickup,
close
to
being
to
public
transit
routes,
away
from
areas
that
provide
or
that
pose
a
risk
to
fire
or
flood
areas
that
pose
a
risk
to
water
quality
and,
ideally,
not
abutting
any
homes,
businesses,
schools,
playgrounds
and
on
city-owned
land.
I
Here,
of
course,
we
have
to
look
at
the
risks
that
would
be
involved
in
designating
encampments.
We
would
be
as
these
would
be
on
city
property.
We
would
hold
the
full
liability
for
the
project,
and
we
have
to
acknowledge,
though,
that
we
have
liability
currently
and
that
we
don't
have
support
for
the
encampments
that
are
being
allowed,
and
you
know,
as
our
recent
fire
shows
and
other
issues
that
arise
from
undead
unsanctioned
encampments.
I
We
have
risk
when
we
ignore
illegal
campaigning
as
well,
or
continue
to
condone
it
management
of
the
sites
we.
So
we
have
been
meeting
with
our
risk
folks
to
talk
about
what
this
looks
like,
as
well
as
our
legal
folks.
I
Management
of
the
sites,
including
security
management
of
guests
and
monitoring
for
illegal
or
hazardous
behavior,
and
then
for
environmental
safety
concerns
and
hazards
would
be
key.
We
also
really
need
to
look
at
as
in
addition
to
all
of
our
fire
regulations
how
dense
the
sites
are
in
terms
of
the
tents.
I
H
I
Sorry
I'll
butt
in
a
little
here,
obviously
under
normal
circumstances,
when
our
emergency
proclamation
is
not
in
place,
camping
is
not
allowed
on
city
property.
It's
interesting
to
note
that
there
is
an
exception
in
our
city
code
for
permitted,
camping
in
parks,
and
we
also
have
approximately
30
areas
designated
as
parks
that
are
not
currently
in
use
as
parks.
So
that
may
be
an
opportunity
as
well
to
look
at
where
if
there
were
things
that
are
technically
designated
as
parks,
but
community
is
not
using
us
apart,
would
these
perhaps
be
appropriate
sites?
I
I
will
say
too
that
I'm
very
interested-
and
I've
been
talking
with
our
police
department,
about
the
program
where
we
have
mobile
homes
in
parks
and
police
have
historically
lived
there
in
those
those
places
and
if
we
were
to
potentially
purchase
additional
mobile
homes
for
designated
encampment
areas,
would
we
have
police
officers
who
might
be
interested
in
living
in
these
spots,
very
low,
caught
at
very
low
cost
for
a
certain
period
of
time
to
provide
additional
security
or
sense
of
security?
So
that's
something
we're
exploring
as
well
and
then
I'm
sorry.
I
The
last
thing
is
just
because
the
community
health
and
safety
department
exists.
We
were
able
to
have
these
some
of
these
conversations
across
the
departments
with
the
fire
department,
with
the
police
department,
with
community
services
and
and
youth
and
family
services
division.
I
So
we
feel,
like
you
know
it's
it's
we're
just
in
an
opportunity
moment
in
terms
of
how
we
can
potentially
coordinate
these
things.
H
There's
some
myths
about
homelessness
locally,
that
we
hear
really
often
whenever
these
conversations
come
up.
A
couple
of
those
that
we
hear
just
in
every
conversation
are
that
the
homeless
people
here
are
not
from
here
and
our
partners
at
the
new
mexico
coalition
to
end
homelessness
have
some
data
that
really
does
not
support
that
28
of
the
households
in
their
coordinated
entry
system
report
being
from
santa
fe,
their
entire
life,
or
at
least
having
been
here
30
plus
years,
another
17
of
those
folks
report
being
from
other
parts
of
new
mexico.
H
H
Another
thing
that
we
hear
really
often
is
that
this
is
a
group
of
people
that
doesn't
want
help
and,
as
director
ochoa
mentioned
a
bit
earlier
in
the
presentation
a
lot
of
times,
people
will
go
through
the
process
of
trying
to
be
engaged
in
services
and
those
services
don't
pan
out,
and
it
can
be
really
discouraging
for
people
to
then
continue
to
try
over
and
over
and
over
again
to
get
services
from
a
system
that
has
let
them
down.
Several
times
and
some
people
choose
to
get
their
needs
met
through
alternative
actions.
H
As
you
know,
these
sort
of
traditional
systems
have
have
let
them
down,
so
they
might
do
things
like
panhandling
or
camping,
to
try
and
meet
their
needs
through
ways
that
are
a
little
bit
more
independent.
H
This
model
that
we're
exploring
is
not
new.
It's
used
in
cities
across
the
country
that
have
sanctioned
encampments
that
look
a
lot
of
different
ways.
Some
that
are
sort
of
our
neighbors
are
las
cruces.
There's
the
messiah
valley
community
of
hope
is
a
non-profit
organization
that
provides
services
to
people
experiencing
homelessness
and
they
have
a
camp.
H
It's
called
camp
hope
outside
of
their
space
that
they
have
operated
for
about
10
years
now,
and
that
camp
is
very
much
integrated
with
the
way
that
they
provide
their
services
indoors
outdoors,
it's
the
critical
element
of
that
is
that
it's
very
connected
to
services,
and
it
is
a
pathway
towards
housing.
H
Denver
colorado
recently
set
up
these.
They
call
them
safe
outdoor
spaces
or
sos,
and
they
opened
two
locations
in
parking
lots
as
a
coveted
response-
and
recently,
I
think
about
a
month
ago,
added
an
additional
about
four
million
dollars
to
expand
that
project
as
they've
seen
really
tremendous
success
in
that
being
a
pathway
to
get
people
stable
and
ready
to
move
into
housing,
and
it
does
not
look
like
either
of
our
guests
have
been
able
to
join
us.
H
So
as
we
start
to
form
this
plan,
some
of
the
things
that
we're
looking
at
again
looking
at
sort
of
best
practices
of
how
this
works
in
other
communities
using
the
report
that
we've
commissioned
and
thinking
about,
what's
just
really
practical
for
santa
fe,
given
our
resources
and
challenges,
it's
looking
at
providing
toilets
and
hand-washing
stations,
contracting
outreach
and
site
support
from
our
non-profit
partners,
including
things
of
housing,
harm
reduction,
health
care
and
behavioral
health
care.
H
We're
putting
together
sort
of
a
rough
budget
as
we're
coming
up
with
a
bit
of
a
rest
plan,
and
this
is
a
bit
of
what
we're
looking
at
right.
Now,
we've
gotten
some
some
quotes
from
providers
and
partners
that
would
be
willing
to
provide
some
of
these
services,
including
some
of
our
own,
our
trash
pickup
through
our
city
of
santa
fe
environmental
services,
division,
who
is
interested
in
partnering
with
us
on
this.
H
H
This
will
show
the
community
that
we
are
engaged
and
responsive
to
concerns,
and
this
really
plays
a
big
role
in
what
we're
already
doing,
with
our
built
for
zero
work
to
address
homelessness,
holistically.
I
Sure
I
mean,
I
think
that
you
know.
Ideally,
we
would
be
housing
people
and
not
sanctioning
encampments.
I
The
reality
is
not
everybody's
ready
to
be
housed
and
as
as
ms
pendus
mentioned-
and
I
mentioned
earlier,
reestablishing
relationships
that
of
trust
between
folks
that
have
been
out
of
the
system
living
unsheltered
for
a
long
long
time
with
skilled
outreach
workers
and
others
who
are
willing
to
find
out
who
they
are
as
individuals
and
what
they
might
need
to
be
housed
is
a
goal
that
would
come
out
of
this.
So
what
is
success
with
this
project?
We'd
love
to
see
fewer
reports
from
our
community
of
encampments
around
the
city.
I
We
have
70
active
now
you
know
if
we
could
reduce
that
significantly.
I'd
say
by
you
know,
50
to
75
percent.
That
would
be
a
success.
I
This
would
allow
us
to
ramp
out
of
our
emergency
proclamation,
which
currently
allows
camping
on
city
property,
and
we
could
start
to
disallow
it
and
say,
but
you
can
be
here
because
that's
the
biggest
issue
right
now
is
that
when
people
go
previous
to
the
pandemic,
you
know
to
talk
to
folks
who
are
living
on
shelter.
They
say
well,
where
can
I
be?
And
if
we
have
a
place
that
they
can
be,
then
we
can
enforce
them
not
being
in
places.
I
I
talked
to
the
behavioral
health
director
out
at
the
county
jail
who
says
there
are
about
15
folks
that
go
in
in
and
out
of
jail
in
a
revolving
door
who
get
detoxed
in
jail,
come
out
and
are
sometimes
back
in
jail
within
48
hours,
because
they
have
no
place
to
land
that
works
for
them,
and
potentially
these
encampments
might
be
that
for
some
of
those
folks
we
have,
we
would
see
an
increase
in
engagement
of
anybody
living
in
an
encounter
sanctioned
encampment
with
support
services,
because
there
would
be
support
services
present
case
managers
and
navigators
would
know
where
to
find
their
clients
they
wouldn't
be
in
the
wind,
which
is
a
phrase
that
they
use
a
lot
to
say.
I
H
So
as
we're
sort
of
putting
together
the
short-term
plan,
we're
also
still
working
really
diligently
to
come
up
with
as
director
ochoa
put,
it
really
well
sort
of
a
launching
pad
into
what
comes
next.
You
know
at
this
time
we
really
don't
have
all
of
the
housing
resources
that
we
even
need
to
be
able
to
house
everyone.
If
that
was
what
we
wanted
to
do,
which
is
where
we
find
ourselves
these
stopgap
solutions,
other
solutions,
other
communities
use
these
pallet
shelters,
which
are.
H
H
Colorado
recently
set
up
a
little
village
of
these
pallet
shelters
to
support
people
who
choose
to
go
out,
choose
to
sleep
outdoors
because
they
can't
go
into
shelter
with
their
pets,
and
so
this
was
an
option
for
them
to
be
able
to
provide
that
alternative
solution.
H
And
with
that,
the
u.s
interagency
council
on
homelessness
strongly
advises
that,
as
cities
are
considering
developing
these,
that
there
is
a
very
strong
emphasis
on
investing
in
longer-term
housing
solutions
and
that
this
isn't
something
where
communities
are
just
setting
up
encampments
and
saying.
Well,
you
know
this
is
good
enough
for
now
and
then
moving
on
to
other
issues,
but
to
really
look
at
this
as
a
short-term
project
that
can
lead
to
long-term
permanent
housing
and
that's
something
I
think
that
we're
very
focused
on.
H
I
So
thinking
about
middle
and
longer
term
and
what
might
come
next
next,
we
have
in
the
community
health
and
safety
department,
proposed
a
new
investment
that
would
be
an
rfp
that
would
allow
us
to
refurbish
a
local
property
that
would
be
more
of
a
campus,
more
of
a
community
of
hope
style
model
like
they
have
in
las
cruces,
where
we
wouldn't
just
have
an
encampment
we'd,
have
an
emergency
shelter,
perhaps
larger,
more
conducive
to
better
neighborhood
relations
in
its
location
and
also
behavioral
health
services.
I
Whether
it's
you
know
additional
harm
reduction
services,
stronger
partnerships
with
our
lasalle
crisis
center
or
on-site-
you
know
supports
the
facility
would
be
ucf
raised
here-
would
include
transitional,
wet
housing.
Wet
housing
means
that
people
would
be
allowed
to
use
drugs
and
alcohol
in
a
safe,
controlled
manner.
I
This
model
of
collate
located
services
has
already
been
used,
as
I
mentioned
in
many
places
around
the
country,
including
with
good
success
in
las
cruces.
I
had
a
chance
to
visit
community
of
hope
a
few
years
ago
and
I
I
think
it
would
be
very
valuable
to
see
how
that
that
works
in
las
cruces,
because
it
it's
pretty
impressive
in
terms
of
how
well
managed
the
un,
the
unsheltered
encampment
area
is
as
well
as
the
services
that
support
it.
All.
J
A
Thank
you
so
much
director,
choa
and
before
I
move
to
questions.
First
of
all,
thank
you
both
for
the
presentation
and
the
report
and
all
of
the
work
and
thought
and
research
that
has
gone
into
this.
I
think
that
is
important
that
we
recognize
what
a
complex
issue
this
is,
and
so
I
really
want
to
thank
both
of
you
and
all
the
individuals
you've
been
working
with
for
before
putting
this
together.
This
is
not
easy.
There
are
no
easy
solutions
here.
A
So
really,
thank
you
so
much
for
for
being
here
today
there's
a
term
that
is
frequently
used
and
if
you
are
in
the
field
it's
very
familiar,
but
other
people
may
not
know
it
and
that's
harm
reduction.
So
I
was
hoping
that
before
we
jump
to
questions
if
we
could
get
a
definition
of
harm
reduction
from
from
you
all
or.
I
I
So
you
know
we
drive
cars
and
that's
one
of
the
most
dangerous
things
we
can
do,
but
we
wear
seat
belts
because
we're
going
to
drive
cars
and
that's
a
that's
a
form
of
harm
reduction,
but
really
in
this
realm
we're
talking
about
people
who
are
using
drugs
and
alcohol
being
supported
to
use
drugs
and
alcohol
more
safely.
So
you'll
see
things
like
needle
exchange
programs,
which
say
we
know
people
are
going
to
need
to
inject
drugs
and
we
want
to
make
sure
they
don't.
I
You
know,
get
get
diseases
or
share
needles,
and
so
we're
doing
these
needle
exchange
programs.
We've
been
in
interesting
conversations
with
someone
who's
been
doing
research
into
managed
alcohol
programs
such
as
the
kind
they
have
in
canada
for
decades.
Now,
where
long
time
alcoholics,
you
know
who
sometimes
resort
to
you
know,
drinking
substances
that
are
very
dangerous
and
deadly
are
acknowledged
to
be
alcoholics
but
acknowledged
that
they
may
not
be
able
to
stop
using
alcohol
and
then
so.
I
We
are
seeing
increased,
safe
use
sites
for
illegal
drugs,
and
that's
something
that
we
might
want
to
look
at
here
in
santa
fe
as
well,
in
terms
of
a
pilot
with
unm
or
another
partner,
because
this
is
proving
very
effective
both
in
terms
of
saving
lives
but
ultimately
in
getting
folks
stabilized
and
in
some
cases
out
of
use
of
drugs.
But
not.
A
A
A
We
do
we
forget
that,
but
thank
you.
I
will
now
go
ahead
turn
to
the
committee.
If
there
are
any
questions,
please
go
ahead
and
raise
your
hand.
L
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you.
I
want
to
echo
what
counselor
cassette
said
and
just
trying
to
tackle
this
issue.
L
I
think
that
the
thing
that
stands
out
to
me-
and
this
is
more
of
a
comment-
and
I
imagine
that
this
is
going
to
be
the
case
and
the
biggest
concern
for
you
is
just
staffing,
because
I
think
of
these
things
like
if
we
have
like
safe
use,
how
that's
going
to
require
staffing
to
kind
of
control
and
see
through
if
we
have
certain
facilities
or
resources,
how
will
that
be
managed
public
safety
and
having
their
involvement?
L
And
you
know
just
the
thought
of
this,
though,
and
actually
going
through
the
process
and
doing
the
work,
I
think,
is
a
huge
step
forward
and
a
huge
accomplishment,
but
I
think
the
next
huge
hurdle
is
probably
going
to
be
the
actual
human
resources
that
it'll
take
to
make
sure
that
this
can
be
done
in
a
successful
and
safe
way.
L
You
know
where
we
are
actually,
and
that's
just
built
for
zero
in
in
general.
Right
requires
that
staffing
to
really
make
a
huge
impact.
So
you
know
I
I
acknowledge.
That's
probably
gonna
be
one
of
your
biggest
concerns
and
probably
one
of
the
bigger
hurdles
kind
of
to
get
by,
but
I
did
want
to
thank
you
for
starting
like
starting
this,
because
there's
two
sides
and
it's
going
to
be
very
difficult
to
get
an
understanding
of
the
why
this
is
necessary.
You
know
it
really
takes
that
empathy.
L
It
involves
empathy
and
you
know
people.
I
know
what
I've
often
heard
from
constituents
is
people
saying
well
if
we
have
something
like
this
or
if
we
we
like
shelters,
if
you
don't
allow
them
to
use
drugs
or
to
use
alcohol,
then
they'll
leave
like
they'll
leave
the
city
and
I'm
like.
No,
that's
not
the
case
and
they're.
Just
gonna
find
a
way
where
they
can
function,
because
at
that
point
in
addiction
they
need
it
to
survive,
and
I
am
just
really
impressed
with
that
acknowledgement
by
our
by
you
all.
L
So
thank
you
for
that.
I
would
love
to
hear
ideas
that
you
have
about
staffing.
I
know
we
have
great
partners
and
thank
goodness
because
that
would
probably
be
a
huge
help
in
that
process
or
exploring
that.
But
that's
going
to
be
a
giant
challenge
right
now,
just
where
the
city
stands.
I
For
the
question,
yes,
I
think
when
we
look
at
again
the
short,
medium
and
long
term,
obviously
the
medium
and
long
term,
where
we
would
have
you
know
a
full
partnership
with
a
non-profit
or
more
than
one
nonprofit
would
be
pretty
labor-intensive
and
staff-intensive
the
short-term
solution
we
intentionally
looked
at
what
could
actually
be
done
in
the
short
term
and,
as
anna
mentioned,
this
idea
of
camp
stewards
emerge.
These
would
be.
I
People
who
are
peers,
who
are
unsheltered
themselves,
who
are
stable,
have
chosen
not
to
live
in
shelter,
have
not
been
able
or
willing
to
go
into
housing,
but
would
be
willing
to
partner
with
a
local
non-profit
who
could
give
stipends
and
support
so
that
rules
and
encampments
could
be
followed
and
consensus
among
the
group
that
is
allowed
to
camp
could
be
maintained.
This
is
what
they
do
in
messiah
valley
and
it's
pretty
low
low
barrier
in
terms
of
you
know,
staffing.
I
There's
one
staff
person
present
at
the
camp,
but
not
24
7..
The
camp
stewards
themselves
are
the
ones
who
actually
maintain
order
at
the
camp,
so
you
know
case
managers
and
navigators
for
our
mobile
hygiene
unit,
we're
finding.
We
didn't
get
many
applicants.
So
that's
a
that's
a
huge
challenge,
but
workforce
in
that
field.
It's
a
challenge
all
around
can't
deny
that.
I
I
think
this
proposal
for
the
short
term
goes
with
the
grain,
acknowledging
that
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
staff
and
works
with
potentially
a
non-profit
partner
who's
willing
to
run
that
program,
as
well
as
our
city
services
that
are
in
many
ways
working
very
inefficiently
right
now,
because
all
of
our
encampments
are
so
dispersed
around
the
city.
So
it's
it's.
It's
potentially
a
way
to
actually
address
the
fact
that
we
don't
have,
but
we
do
have
a
staffing
shortage.
I
We
would
rather
a
police
department
not
have
to
go
out
to
70
encampments
and
assass
or
our
fire
department,
so
it
could
potentially
be
a
smarter
way
to
work
on
this
issue
in
the
short
term.
A
Thank
you,
council
chavez,
councillor
lee
garcia.
The
floor
is
yours,.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
thank
you
for
the
presentation,
very
good
information.
I
you
know
how
do
you
take
this
from
the
theory
and
the
concept
to
actual
implementation,
and
you
know
I've.
You
know
it's
been
called
out,
so
a
lot
of
the
cabinets
are
kind
of
hidden
in
places.
E
Where
do
I
we
identify
strategically
throughout
the
city
where
they
would
be
placed,
and
that's
just
my
first
question
going
back
to
you
know
a
point
that
counselor
travis
brought
up
was
the
staffing,
the
people
and
not
only
the
people
that
are
working
there
to
help
the
those
that
are
less
fortunate
that
are
on
house
keeping
them
safe,
because
you
know,
there's
there's
a
lot
of
activity
around
a
lot
of
these
encampments
and
I
think
that
would
be
one
of
my
major
concerns
and
obviously
providing
the
resources
to
them
that
they
need
to
hopefully
get
them
into
a
more
stable
situation
and
and
doing
that
as
quickly
as
possible
for
their
for
their
health
for
the
community's
health
and
everything.
E
And
so
I
don't
know
if
that
could
be
maybe
addressed
a
little
bit.
Thank
you.
I
Madam
chair
counselor,
garcia,
thank
you
for
the
question,
so
I
think
that,
in
terms
of
you
know
the
opera
opera
operationalizing,
I'm
sorry
operationalizing
this
yeah,
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
going
to
be
a
conversation
with
with
all
of
you
with
all
of
the
members
of
the
governing
body,
with
all
of
our
as
many
constituents
as
we
can
engage
in
that
conversation
around
potential
locations.
I
That's
when
you
know
the
the
real
hard
conversations
are
going
to
have
to
be
had
around
where
I
think
that,
in
terms
of
safety,
we
hope
that
designating
up
to
four
locations
would
allow
us
to
concentrate
our
public
safety
resources
better
than
they've
been
concentrated
right
now
and
in
the
past,
as
well.
As
you
know,
the
support
services
that
are
currently
being
provided
in
these
places.
So
I
think
that
you
know
the
locations
as
we
laid
out
some
of
the
criteria
in
the
presentation.
I
If
we
can
designate
places
that
are
sort
of
technically
known
as
parks,
but
are
not
being
used
as
parks.
That
would
be
very
interesting
to
explore,
because
you
know
those
those
sites
might
be
appropriate
sites
that
are
not
going
to
be
environmental
hazards,
they're
not
potentially
going
to
be
impacting.
I
I
think
one
of
the
models
that
is
in
the
report
you
received
is
that
there
would
be
a
local
advisory
board
of
businesses
neighbors
and
others
who
would
ensure
that
things
were
going
well
at
these
sites
and
if
they
weren't
there'd,
be
a
way
to
have
those
conversations
proactively
again.
This
is
something
that
the
governing
body
will
need
to
decide
whether
they
want
to
explore
or
not
and
as
a
as
not
the
long-term
solution.
I
E
I
mean
I
don't
think,
there's
ever
going
to
be
a
full
solution
to
it
all,
because
there's
so
many
people
that
are
in
need-
and
not
everybody
like
you
said-
wants
to
be
in
a
situation
where
they
have
to
follow
certain
criteria
in
order
to
be
there,
and
yet
you
still
see
the
people
that
are
in
need
of
a
place
to
sleep,
a
place
to
shower
hygiene.
You
name
it
I
just
the
other
day.
I
gave
a
guy
a
ride
out
to
kaha
the
rio
area.
E
He
lives
out
there
in
a
tent
and
so
he's
on
national
forest
land,
and
you
know
where
they
get
the
services
that
they
need,
and
you
know
so.
I
think
this
is
headed
in
the
right
direction,
and
I
I
hope
that
with
the
right
resources
and
not
just
providing
the
services
but
proper
accountability
for
people,
I
think
that's
really
what
the
key
is.
A
Thank
you,
counselor
counselor
lee
garcia.
If
you
can
take
your
hand
down,
that
would
be
helpful
for
me.
Thank
you.
So
much
councilwoman
vitoria.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
staff
for
making
this
a
priority,
and
I
know
that
you
hear
from
us
a
lot
and
it's
just
a
hard
place
to
try
to
find
this
balance
where
we
want
people
to
be
safe,
that
are
experiencing
homelessness
as
well
as
a
place
that
they
feel
like
they
could
transition
out
of,
and
also
have
people
that
live
in
the
area
feel
safe
as
well.
This
report
was
super
comprehensive.
F
I
wish
we
could
have
heard
from
amy.
Farah
weiss
because
the
saint
francis
homelessness
challenge
I've
never
heard
of
that
before
and
it's
a
106
page
document.
F
I
only
got
through
half
of
it
because
I
kept
going
back
and
forth
in
certain
sections
trying
to
like
read,
read
more
closely
and
try
to
understand
it,
and
I
think
for
people
that
I
think
for
some
people.
It
would
be
hard
to
comprehend
some
of
the
aspects
of
this
present
or
the
commissioned
report,
and
I
think
it
was
extremely
helpful
and
and
thorough.
I
think
some
people
will
have
a
hard
time
comprehending
because
they
haven't
experienced
homelessness.
F
They
haven't
been.
They
don't
have
to
deal
with
a
substance.
Use
disorder
or
mental
illness,
and
so
all
those
things
combined
makes
for
someone
that
has
privilege,
like
most
of
us,
hard
to
like
how
does
this
work?
How
does
this
work?
So
I
just
want
to
note
that,
because
you
know
people,
it's
not
a
crime
to
be
homeless
and
also
you
know
by
human
nature.
F
It's
disruptive,
I
mean
how
how
much
how
I
I
guess,
we've
no
I've
never
been
in
slept
in
the
shelters,
and
I
could
probably
guess
that
you
don't
sleep
very
much
because
there's
a
lot
of
people
you
know
coming
and
going
and
trying
to
sleep
as
well.
So
I
just
I
just
want
to
note
that,
because
I
think
it's
so
it's
hard
to
comprehend
some
of
these
things
for
those
of
us
that
haven't
had
that
kind
of
experience.
So
the
other
thing
I
want
to
mention
is
or
just
comment
on.
F
Is
I've
been
to
the
community
of
hope
and
the
reason
why
it's
it's
successful
is:
it
has
integrated
services
and
those
of
you
that
haven't
been
there.
It
has
a
lot
of
different
ways
that
people
can
be
supported.
There's
a
soup
kitchen
there
there's
a
food
pantry,
there's
a
child
care
facility
for
people
who
are
experiencing
homelessness,
so
they
can
leave
their
kids
while
they
look
for
work
or
go
to
a
job.
F
The
weather
is
very
different
in
las
cruces.
They
can
have
encampments
all
year
and
it's
different
for
us
when
we
actually
have
you
know
seasons
where
it's
very
frigid,
so
those
those
things
come
to
mind
when
I
think
about
this,
and
so
when
we
think
more
about
managed
camping,
I'm
just
we
know
it's
a
temporary
solution.
F
Explain
about
the
what
it
means
to
say:
no
open
use
of
drugs
and
alcohol
in
the
encampments,
and
so
when
you
say
open
use
that
means
out
in
the
public,
so
they're
welcome.
They
are
I'm
assuming
what
you
meant
is
that
if
people
are
in
their
own
tents
in
their
own
space,
they
could
be
doing
whatever
they
want
to
do.
Is
that
correct?
Is
that
what's.
I
Your
counselor
all
yes,
sorry
and
the
good
thing
would
be
that
we'd
have
support.
For
you
know,
overdoses
present
we'd
have
other
supports,
but
you
know
it.
I
One
point
of
view
on
all
of
this
is
that
you
know
people
who
are
in
their
homes
using
drugs
and
alcohol
are
in
their
homes
using
drugs
and
alcohol,
and
that's
part
of
why
it's
not
a
problem
and
and
part
of
why
the
the
whole
sort
of
knot
of
you
know,
unshelteredness
and
substance
use
disorder
becomes
so
thorny
is
simply
because
people
don't
have
a
place
to
do
this,
whereas
others
do
so.
That's
the
harm
reduction
right.
F
Yeah
thanks
for
adding
that,
because
people
are
doing
that,
regardless
of
what
income
level
they
come
from
they're
doing
that
in
their
homes
anyway.
So
I
appreciate
what
councilwoman
travis
says
about
empathy,
because
I
think
that
that
is
something
that
is
going
to
come
up
and
what
empathy
how
we
can
explain.
No,
I
I
mean
empathy
is
really
an
individual
aspect.
I
think
so.
F
I
think
we're
just
gonna
have
to
really
dig
into
that
community
engagement
piece
that
you
mentioned,
and
it
also
talks
about
in
the
report
pretty
thoroughly
about
the
need
to
be
proactive
and
communicate
ahead
of
time
about
how
what
we're
thinking
about
and
what
it
will
look
like,
and
I
appreciate
that
you
did
that
myth
busting
about
people
don't
want
help.
That's
not
true.
People
are
not
from
here,
and
it
looks
like
from
what
you
said
in
your
report,
about
46
or
from
santa
fe
and
or
new
mexico.
F
So
I
think
that's
good
to
note.
F
I
think
the
question
I
have
at
this
point
because
I
think
there
there's
still
a
lot
of
things
to
work
out
is
about
this
potential
sites
and
if
you
all,
have
lo
identified
potential
locations
for
these
sanctioned
encampments.
I
Viarell
we
have
not
we,
we
did
start
out
looking
at
the
idea
of
one
large
place
and
we
looked
at
potential
city-owned
property
for
that
and
then,
as
this
work
has
evolved
and
the
report
you
know
really
in
the
short
term,
we
we
do
not
have
a
non-profit
partner
willing
to
operate
a
larger
scale
site
at
this
time
that
nobody
in
the
community
has
that
capacity
right
now.
I
So
if
we
wanted
to
do
something
say
before
our
next
emergency
order
ends,
we
don't
have
that
capacity,
and
so
we
started
to
shift
to
the
idea
of
more
dispersed
sites
up
to
four
dispersed
sites,
and
we
have
not
identified
those
beyond
to
say
it
would
be
good
to
have
them
meeting
the
criteria
that
anna
laid
out
and
also
probably
in
different
parts
of
the
city
with
this
population.
That's
already
living
unsheltered
as
much
as
it's
possible
to
go
with
the
grain
of
where
people
know
and
are.
I
That
would
be
an
ideal,
but
we
do
also
have,
as
I
alluded
to
in
in
our
city
code,
this
interesting
provision
that
allows
for
camping.
I
I
You
know
so
that
we're
not
springing
this
on
any
one
community
or
another
and
that
there's
engagement
from
you
all
from
from
your
constituents
and
all
of
the
people
that
might
be
impacted.
By
doing
this,
if
we
decide
to
do
it.
I
So
madame
chair
councilman,
via
real
elements
of
this,
would
come
before
committees
and
governing
body
for
approval,
and
it
if
we
link
it
in
any
way
to
the
emergency
proclamation
that
part
would
be
coming
before
governing
body,
but
in
terms
of
timeline
right
now
we're
in
a
bit
of
a
holding
pattern
with
our
emergency
proclamation
language,
allowing
camps
and
camp
camping
on
some
city
property.
I
But
I
think,
there's
sort
of
pressure
as
we're
seeing
you
know
frustration
about
encampments
mounting
frankly
to
do
something
about
that.
So
we
would
certainly
not.
We
would
want
this
to
be
a
transparent
process
and
whether
or
not
we're
required
to
bring
it
before
governing
body.
I
think
it
would
be
very
appropriate
that
we
do
in
terms
of
what
we're
looking
at,
so
I
would
intend
it
that
we
do
that
in
some
fashion-
and
I
don't
know
the
details
on
how
that
would
work
exactly
yeah.
I
Madam
chair
councilwoman,
villarreal
we'd
like
to
be
ready
to
go,
should
it
should
we
be
given
a
green
light?
So
we
are
currently,
we
do
have
a
sole
source
posted
that
would
allow
us
to
partner
with
a
local
provider,
who
would
run
this
steward
program
and
do
the
outreach
to
these
places
should
it
go
forward.
I
We
want
to
be
ready
to
go
with
something,
ideally,
yes
by
summertime
by
before
summer
time
we're
in
a
we're
in
a
crisis,
everyone's
frustrated,
all
of
our
services
are
tapped
and
I
think
we
need
to
consolidate
and
try
something
different.
Frankly,
that's
my
opinion,
but
you
know
we're
putting
the
pieces
in
place
in
order
to
be
able
to
do
that.
Should
we
decide
to
do
that-
and
hopefully,
yes
by
summer
or
sooner
yep,
yeah.
F
I
think
time
is
of
the
essence,
especially
now
that
it's
going
to
be
warmer
and
then,
when
we
have
our
monsoon
season,
which
always
concerns
me
when
people
are
in
arroyos
or
waterways
that
that's
just
not
safe
for
anybody,
including
people
that
are
camping
in
those
areas.
I
also
see
like
the
connection
that
you're
saying
about
our
nonprofit
partners.
They
already
have
street
outreach
and
if
there's
a
consolidated
area,
I
think
that
would
be
easier
than
trying
to
go
all
over
town
as
well.
F
So
yeah,
I'm
interested
in
this
for
sure
moving
forward
and
just
wanting
to
make
sure
we
have
all
the
pieces
in
place
as
as
counselor
garcia
talked
about,
because
yeah
there's
definitely
staff.
That's
needed
needed
to
make
sure
this
is
successful.
I
Councilman
vietrell,
if
I
may
just
to
clarify
this
question
around
staff,
what
we
would
need
from
the
city
staff
side
would
be
our
mobile
hygiene
unit,
folks
in
place
which
they're
currently
not
those
positions
are
being
advertised
for,
and
ms
pendus
would
be
the
program
manager
for
the
project
so
she's
in
place.
I
And
then
you
know,
our
environment.
Division
has
already
said
that
they
would
support
with
trash
pickup
we'd
have
port-a-potties
in
these
places.
That
would
be
a
contracted
service
and
then
we'd
have
our
contract
with
our
non-profit
provider.
Who
would
do
the
outreach
and
the
oversight
of
the
steward
program?
So
really?
The
staff
part
is
our
mobile
hygiene
unit
team
and
that's
it.
F
Yeah,
I
think
I
was
thinking
about
the
whole
picture,
not
just
staff,
but
also
contracted
services,
because,
as
we've
seen
with
the
nonprofit
sector,
they're
short
staffed
right
now
and
they're,
not
filling
their
positions
for
various
reasons,
so
that
that's
what
I'm
thinking
about
the
whole
picture.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
all.
A
Thank
you,
councilwoman
counselor,
michael
garcia,.
G
Thank
you,
chair
cassette
and
thank
you,
director,
ochoa
and
anna
for
your
presentation
tonight.
I
really
appreciate
it
a
lot
of
the
questions
I
had
were
answered
or
asked
by
my
colleagues
so
definitely
appreciate
that
going
last,
I
guess,
has
a
plus
in
that
sense,.
G
Going
through
the
presentation
you
had
mentioned
that
the
we
hope
to
have
a
reduction
in
50
to
75
percent
of
the
population,
which
is,
I
think
you
had
estimated
at
around
150
folks,
and
so
with
that
being
said,
the
the
site
or
sites
would
have
20
to
25
per
site,
so
running
off
those
numbers
just
kind
of
going
off
quickly
in
my
head.
We
would
need
at
three
to
four
sites
to
to
meet
that
initial
goal.
Is
that
what
we're
looking
at
is
three
to
four
sites.
G
Madam
chair
council,
garcia.
Yes,
that's
our
estimate.
Okay,
I
get.
I
wish
our
folks
from
denver
in
las
cruces
room,
because
I
know
that
recently,
the
city
of
albuquerque,
who
did
their
tiny
home
village,
which
is
a
a
bit
more,
I
don't
want
to
say,
sophisticated,
but
it
they're
they're,
tiny
homes,
not
tents,
not
pellet
shelters
and
they
they're
having
they're
having
some
challenges
with
with
their
sites.
G
G
You
know
the
the
no
drug
usage,
whether
it's
before
you
enter
the
the
as
a
resident
or
during
residency
and
some
of
the
other
requirements,
and
so
that
kind
of
filtered
out
a
lot
of
applicants.
They
didn't
make
it
to
become
a
resident,
and-
and
so
I
guess-
and
I
don't
know
if
you
have
the
answer
to
this
and
our
director
ochoa.
But
if
not,
if
you
can
get
back
to
us,
what
does
that
look
like,
for
example,
in
las
cruces
or
denver
in
regards
to
their
vacancy
rates?
G
Are
they
seeing
some
of
those
challenges
as
well,
because
I
ultimately
I
think,
if
we
do
commit
to
this
type
of
investment,
we
want
to
ensure
that
we're
supporting
as
many
of
our
community
members
as
possible,
because
I
wouldn't
want
us
to
have
an
80
vacancy
rate
in
one
of
these
tent
or
pellet
communities.
So
I
don't
know
nf
director
cho.
If
you,
you
know
how
that's
working
out
in
las
cruces
or
denver
regards
to
the
vacancy
rates.
I
Madam
chair
counselor
garcia,
I
I
will
say
that
we
did
learn
from
our
guests
that
they
were
unable
to
join
because
the
link
didn't
work,
so
they
they
were
trying,
but
unfortunately
they
couldn't
get
in.
So
maybe
we
can
bring
them
back
at
another
time
and
answer
answer
some
of
those
details.
Anna.
H
I
don't
know
that
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
I
am
happy
to
look
into
that.
You
know
I
think
earlier
councilwoman
vierielle
asked
about
sort
of
the
open
drug
use
question
and
that's
largely
sort
of
where
that
comes
from
is
understanding
that
putting
these
prohibitive
barriers
to
projects
like
this
can
lead
to
having
underutilized
programs.
I
I
think
the
most
successful
programs,
in
my
understanding,
really
emphasize
behavior,
because
not
everybody's
behavior
is
violent
or
unacceptable,
or
you
know
unsociable
when
they're
using
drugs.
That's
really
so
it's
focusing
on
the
behavior
rather
than
the
drug
use
that
tends
to
make
these
projects
more
successful.
I
I
think
that
you
know
we
had
people
that
interviewed
in
the
for
the
encampment
report
that
amy
faraway
stood,
and
I
think
18
people
were
interviewed
and
100
of
those
said
that
they
would
be
able
or
felt
that
they
would
be
able
to
adhere
to
those
guidelines,
and
you
know
would
understand
if
they
didn't
they
couldn't
stay.
So
I
think
that's
an
interesting
thing
to
to
look
at
as
well
those
outdoor
encampments
in
las
cruces.
I
When
I
was
there
this
is
years
ago
they
were
fully
utilized
and
and
that
that
that
was
something
that
worked
well
for
some
some
people.
G
Okay,
thank
you
so
much
for
providing
some
clarification
and
then,
if
yeah,
if
we
can
just
learn
a
little
more
just
because
I
think
if
we
can
learn
from
what's
working
with
potential
other,
you
know
with
other
sites
that
that's,
let's
use
that
to
our
benefit.
G
But
I
just
also
want
to
echo
some
of
the
comments
my
colleagues
made
in
regards
to
services.
I
think
it's
it's!
It's
critical
that
we
have
wraparound
services
at
every
one
of
these
sites.
Should
we
move
forward
with
this
project.
G
It's
those
are
the
type
of
services
that
help
us
provide
a
lifting
hand
up
to
community
folks,
and
sometimes
it's
just
that
little
extra
help
that
that
will
trend
get
somebody
transition
from
homelessness
to
part-time,
temporary
shelter
to
full-time
housing,
and
I
think
that
should
be.
Our
ultimate
goal
is
providing
these
services
to
our
community
members
that
that
can
ultimately
lead
to
the
long-term
benefit
of
our
city
and
the
residents
and
nursing
of
our
city
and
as
they
are
productive
residents
as
well
of
our
city,
I
think
it's.
G
But
I
thank
you
for
the
presentation,
as
you
as
the
ball
gets
moving.
I'm
definitely
interested
in
a
timeline.
Happy
to
you
know
help
out.
I
think
you
know
one
of
the
challenges
we
tend
to
see
when
we
begin.
These
type
of
initiatives
is
where
these
locations
will
be,
and
I
appreciate
the
the
mindset
of
being
proactive
and
working
with
the
communities.
So
just
as
as
we
move
down
that
process,
I
think
it
would
be
great
for
the
counselors
to
be
involved.
G
A
Thank
you,
counselor
counselor,
lee
garcia.
I
do
see
that
your
hand
is
back
up
and
counselor
michael
garcia.
Can
you
take
your
hand
down?
Thank
you,
sir
councilor
lee
garcia.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Just
I
guess
one
more
comment
after
listening
to
to
my
colleagues
here
is
obviously
the
the
intent
is
to
get
as
many
people
to
help
as
possible,
and
you
know
talking
to
many
community
members
that
express
their
concerns
about
the
parks
not
being
able
to
utilize
them.
E
The
arroyos
walking
down
the
trails,
and
you
know
finding
needles
and
things
of
that
nature
and
safe,
and
so
the
whole
idea,
and
my
my
observation
again,
is
to
remove
these
people
from
those
areas,
because
the
people
who
are
homeless
obviously
need
the
help.
But
what
does
enforcement
of
that
look
like
once
these
are
in
place?
And
how
do
you
address
or
who
addresses
those
issues
when
there
is
somebody,
that's
sleeping
in
the
dugouts
at
wherever
salvador,
perez
or
regal
park,
or
something
of
that
nature?
E
And
I
think
that's
that's
the
enforcement
side
of
it,
which
a
lot
of
us
obviously
have
to
look
at
as
well
and
so
last
question.
Thank
you.
I
Madam
chair
counselor,
garcia.
Thank
you
for
that
question.
I
think
it's
important
so
previous
to
our
emergency
proclamation,
which
did
allow,
which
does
allow
camping
on
city
property.
On
some
city
property.
We
had
an
enforcement
procedure
that
we
would
I
imagine
returned
to
which
is
you
know
we
receive
a
report
of
an
encampment.
We
assess
that
that
is
on
city
property.
I
What
kind
of
property
is
it
public,
private
or
city
property
or
other
state
property,
and
then
essentially
those
the
the
the
people
in
that
encounter
would
receive
a
warning
that
they
need
to
vacate
that
encampment,
whether
it's
verbal,
if
they're
there
or
a
written
notification,
and
then
you
know
within
24
hours,
typically,
our
team
from
from
from
parks
would
or
a
contracted
service
would
come
and
and
clean
that
encampment
up,
if
sometimes
accompanied
by
police,
if
need
be,
and
that
that
enforcement
would
begin
again
once
we
had
designated
areas
that
we
could
tell
people
they
could
go
to,
so
that
would
be
added
to
the
sweeping
as
it's
known
of
these
camps,
and
hopefully
we
see
an
effectiveness
around
that
camp,
not
popping
up
again.
I
I
In
fact,
I'm
sorry
to
if
you
can
indulge
me,
madam
chair,
in
one
second,
I
was
driving
the
fire
department
van
the
other
day
and
I
was
in
the
cvs
parking
lot
and
because
our
fire
department
does
such
a
tremendous
job
serving
our
unsheltered
folks,
a
couple
guys
came
up
and
said
you
have
any
sleeping
bags
and
I
said,
oh
no,
I
don't
have
any
sleeping
bags,
but
we
started
this
conversation
and
ultimately
I
did
get
them
sleeping
bags,
but
you
know
they
were
talking
about
if
they
only
had
a
place
that
they
knew
they
could.
I
It
would
be
okay
for
them
to
be
how
great
that
would
be
so
again.
Hopefully,
we'd
have
less
work
to
do
enforcing
once
the
word
got
out
that
there
were
places
where
you
can
go
and
places
where
you
can't
go,
but
we
would
begin
the
enforcement
process
very
similar
to
what
we've
done
in
the
past
and
what
we
are
currently
doing
in
in
our
waterways
or
in
our
city
parks.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
counselor
I'll,
just
I'll
take
a
couple
moments.
My
colleagues
did
a
wonderful
job
asking
a
lot
of
the
questions
I
had
as
well,
and
I
appreciate
the
the
conversation
you
know.
A
I
do
also
want
to
reiterate
some
of
the
comments
about
those
those
wraparound
services,
and
there
was
those
comments
about
fire
safety
of
making
sure
you
know
people
aren't
using
propane
grills
or
things
that
could
be
a
fire
hazard,
and
so
I
believe
that
what
would
be
important
for
us
is
to
make
sure
that
there
are
resources
for
food,
whether
that
is
a
sanctioned,
safe,
cooking
area
or
partnering
with
some
of
our
non-profits.
A
Some
of
you
know.
The
food
depot
of
course
comes
to
mind
of
who
provides
a
lot
of
food
for
individuals
in
our
community,
but
how
we
can
make
it
as
easy
as
possible
for
individuals
to
follow
those
rules
by
by
providing
those
necessities,
and
it
sounds
like
that's
something.
That's
already
really
being
thought
about.
A
We've
had
a
lot
of
conversations
about
this,
but
making
it
as
low
barrier
as
possible.
I
mean,
and
I
don't
know
kind
of
the
difference
between
what
exactly
a
wet
encampment
might
look
like
as
opposed
to
a
you
can
utilize
within
your
home,
and
so
here
can
you
speak
to
that
a
little
bit
if
there
is
a
difference
between
what
we're
discussing
and
what
a
wet
encampment
might
look
like.
A
Well,
so
I
mean
you
had
brought
up
kind
of
wet
housing
that
really
are
wet
shelters
that
really
assist
individuals
who
are
utilizing
to
use
in
a
safe
way,
whether
it's
drugs
or
alcohol,
and
that
in
these
shelters,
we're
looking
at
no
using
an
open
spaces.
And
it's
kind
of
a
unsaid
acceptance
that
you
can
do
what
you
want
to
do
within
your
shelter
and
there
will
be
narcan
on
site
and
ways
that
we
might
be
able
to
prevent
overdoses
and
help
individuals.
I
Madam
chair,
indeed,
these
would
be
wet
sites
and
again
the
the
emphasis
is
on
behavior
management
rather
than
drug
or
alcohol
use
management,
because
we
would
be
in
fixed
sites
caseworkers
from
southwest
care,
for
example,
who
currently
do
an
amazing
job
with
needle
exchange
and
harm
reduction
work
as
one
just
one
shout
out
to
a
great
community
partner
or
our
mijo
team.
That
does
some
similar
work
would
know
where
to
find
their
clients
and
be
able
to
continue
to
support
them
with
harm
reduction,
education,
information
materials.
I
So
I
hope
that
answers
your
question
I
will
say
too
wrap
around
services
are
the
absolute
gold
standard.
We
don't
have
enough
wraparound
services
in
the
state
of
new
mexico
or
in
the
city
of
santa
fe.
So
I
will
say
too:
if
we
wait
for
the
perfect,
that
can
be
the
enemy
of
the
good,
and
I
think
if
we
can
consolidate
what
we
do
have
and
concentrate
them
in
a
few
few
locations.
I
I
You
know
the
guidelines
set
out,
then
that's
what
works,
and
I
think
we
have
to
have
a
constant
process
of
quality
improvement,
check-ins
check-ins
with
the
community,
and
it's
really
an
attempt
to
consolidate
existing
resources,
which
are
not
enough,
and
you
know
not
continue
to
sort
of
kick
the
can
down
the
road
with
our
previous
encampment
policy,
which
was
a
huge
resource,
strain
at
a
3.4
million
dollar
annual
cost
versus
the
budget
and
a
laid
out
for
a
short-term
solution.
You
can
see
that
there's
quite
a
difference
there
already.
A
Yeah,
absolutely,
and
and
thank
you
for
bringing
up
that
3.4
million,
because
I
did
want
to
call
that
number
out
again
that
that
isn't
that's
an
annual
number
correct,
correct.
I
A
lot
of
money-
and
I
will
say
too,
I'm
sorry-
I
don't
want
to
take
too.
You
know
coffee
with
a
cop
go
to
coffee
with
a
cop
sometime,
our
police
officers
and
I've
done
ride-alongs.
I'm
sure
many
of
you
have.
Where
are
our
officers?
Sometimes
detective
level
officers
are
spending
an
entire
day
following
one
unsheltered
person
down
surya's
road,
so
our
police
officers
are
saying:
please
help
us
solve
homelessness,
because
that's
not
what
we
wanted
to
with
our
time.
I
That's
not
an
effective
use
of
our
public
safety
services,
so
you
know
beyond
financial.
I
think
our
expertise
and
that
field
is
misdirected
and
we
need
to
figure
out
other
ideas
and
other
solutions
for
that
as
well.
But
I'm
I
I
told
myself,
I
wouldn't
get
on
a
soapbox
tonight,
so
I'm
not
I'm
going
to
get
off
that
soapbox.
But
thank
you.
A
Well,
I
do
think
that
you
make
a
really
valid
point
about.
You
know
it's
both
a
better
use
of
resources
and
a
and
better
ability
to
to
serve
the
individuals
who
we
need
to
serve,
and
so,
but
it
it
will
not
be
perfect,
and
I
think
that
we
all
need
to
have
that
really
honest
conversation
right
now
that
there
will
be
problems
that
this
will
there
will
not
be.
A
There
is
no
perfect
solution
here.
This
is
a
really
quite
a
complex
issue.
It
is
one
that
we
face
in
santa
fe,
but
one
that
we
are
also
facing
across
the
nation.
I'm
I'm
actually
here
in
san
diego
right
now.
A
Welcome
welcome
to
zoom
world
where
we
get
to
take
city
council
meetings
from
far
away,
which
is
actually
where
I
did
a
lot
of
the
bulk
of
my
work
with
the
homeless
population
was
here
in
san
diego
and
I've
seen
an
increase
here
as
well,
and-
and
this
is
a
community
that
has
really
been
struggling
with
this
for
a
long
time
and
has
a
lot
of
done-
a
lot
of
hard
work
and
has
put
in
a
lot
of
resources
to
working
with
the
homeless
population
here
and
and
just
driving
around
the
city.
A
I'm
seeing
that
they
are
also
really
really
struggling
with
this
right
now,
and
so
I
think
that
that
discussion
that
there
just
simply
are
not
enough
resources
and
how
we
can
consolidate
them
and
use
the
ones
that
we
have
as
effectively
as
possible
and
work
to
build.
That
system
work
to
build
that
housing
pipeline.
How
we
you
know,
as
counselor
michael
garcia
mentioned,
is
how
we,
you
know,
lend
that
helping
hand
to
lift
people
up
is
really
important.
A
You
might
not
have
the
answers
to
this
yet
I
know
this
is
still
something
that
we're
working
on
in
terms
of
that
looking
at
behavior
as
opposed
to
drug
use
and
how
that
kind
of
becomes
the
line
as
to
whether
or
not
somebody
can
be
in
one
of
these.
These
sanctioned
areas
sanctioned
encampments.
A
If
somebody's
behavior
is
out
of
line
what
what
would
then
be
the
process
for
where
they
would
go,
I
mean,
are
they
simply
kicked
out
and
then
they're,
you
know,
kind
of
in
the
public
and
then
we're
dealing
with
them
in
the
public
sphere
again
or
is
that
where
law
enforcement
comes
in?
How
do
we
balance
out
that
challenge.
I
Madam
chair,
I
think
it
depends
on
the
behavior
and
how,
if
it's
illegal
on
behavior,
then
law
enforcement
would
of
course
be
involved.
If
it's
not,
then,
yes,
I
think
they
would
be
asked
to
leave
and
basically
trespassed
as
as
folks
are
sometimes
from
our
interfaith
shelter
and
they'd,
be
you
know
back
into
the
public
sphere
again.
A
Yeah,
that
makes
sense,
I
think,
that's
going
to
be
one
of
our
larger
conversations
that
we're
going
to
have
to
to
work
with,
which
brings
me
to
my
next
conversation
about
our
next
question
about
we're
discussing.
You
know:
where
would
these
sites
be
and
as
we
have
seen
with
some
of
our
current
shelters,
that
the
spillover
from
the
shelters
can
create
challenges
for
the
surrounding
neighborhoods?
A
We
have
had
a
lot
of
discussions
around
harrison
and
how
there's
really
been
an
increased
focus
on
harrison,
and
the
report
that
I've
now
heard
from
other
places
is
that
ever
since
we've
really
done
a
lot
of
work
on
harrison,
which
we
very
much
needed
to
do,
and
it's
really
important
that
that
is
happening,
that
they
have
seen
an
increase
in
activity.
A
How
we
put
this
plan
together,
but
when
we
are
looking
at
the
specific
sites
that
are
chosen,
what
the
strategy
is
for
those
areas
directly
surrounding
it
and
how
we
can
mitigate
some
of
the
behaviors
that
might
occur
and
we've
known
with
with
interfaith
that
it's
frequently
you
know,
may
not
necessarily
be
the
people
that
are
staying
in
the
shelter,
but
there
might
be
increased
activity
that
starts
to
occur
around
the
shelter,
whether
it's
increased
drug
sales
or
other
behaviors.
That
are
happening.
A
So
I
don't
know
if
you
have
initial
thoughts
for
this,
and
I
know
that
this
will
be
part
of
of
those
larger
conversations
and
perhaps
for
those
those
neighborhood
ambassador
associations.
A
I
Madam
chair,
we
have
been
working
very
hard
on
our
security
contracts
for
the
city
and
that's
one
area
that
we
will
be
releasing
an
rfp
for
security,
citywide
out
of
the
community
health
and
safety
department,
so
we
would
hope
to
put
more
resources
into
private
security.
You
know,
I
think,
naturally,
when
possible.
I
see
I
see
our
police
team
is
on
here.
If
calls
for
service
allowing
you
know,
we
might
have
more
close
patrols
around
these
areas
if
possible.
I
But
you
know
it
is
going
to
be
a
challenge,
and
I
think
you
know
part
of
it
is
just
that.
It's
a
challenge
now
how?
How
being
able
to
the
people
who
are
in
these
places
will
really
be
invested
in
making
sure
that
they
work
well
and
that
they
are
places
that
can
continue
to
exist,
and
so
I
think
that's
an
intrinsic
motivation
for
the
folks
in
the
encampment
to
hopefully
not.
I
You
know,
allow
and
have
a
lot
of
interaction
with
people
who
aren't
behaving
in
a
way
that
allows
that
encampment
to
sustain
as
well.
But
it's
going
to
be
a
work
in
progress
for
sure
I
don't
think,
there's
any
easy
answer.
We
have
to
bring
in
all
the
resources
that
we
can
and
again
be
willing
to
assess
as
we
go
and
you
know
not
and
course
correct.
If
we
need
to
course
correct
if
we
go
forward
with
it.
A
Thanks
so
much
dr
ochoa,
I
I
appreciate
that.
I
I
think
that
that
is
key,
that,
as
you
mentioned,
you
know
this.
This
will
earn.
As
I
mentioned,
this
will
not
be
perfect,
and
I
do
believe
this
is
crucial.
This
is
this
is
a
really
huge
challenge
for
our
entire
community,
those
that
are
experiencing
homelessness,
as
well
as
those
that
are
experiencing
the
impact
of
people
experiencing
homelessness
and
how
we
really
work
towards
us.
A
So
I
look
forward
to
these
further
conversations
and
as
we
move
forward
with
this
program,
I
think
that
this
is
the
direction
that
we
do
need
to
go
and
again
I
thank
you
all
for
your
work.
A
I
know
that
this
is
hard
and
complex
and
that
it's
going
to
take
continued
attention
and
assessment
and
time
and
energy,
but
also,
hopefully
that,
as
we
come
up
with
some
of
these
other
strategies,
there's
a
lot
of
energy
that
you
know
not
just
money
but
energy
and
thought
going
towards
chasing
and
sweeping
encampments
across
the
city
and
freeing
up
some
of
that
mental
energy
from
you
all
to
start
working
on
those
longer
term
solutions,
I
think,
is
important
too,
and
I
think
that
that's
something
that
we
also
should
recognize
is
this
takes
up
a
lot
of
time
throughout
the
city
and
and
freeing
that
up
for,
for
you
guys
does
allow
us
to
be
thinking
of
other
creative
solutions
that
maybe
will
be
more
long-term
or
how
we
build
upon
upon
this.
A
So
thank
you
all
so
much
for
being
here
and
I'm
sure
we'll
be
picking
this
up
again
at
future
quality
of
life
committee
meetings
as
well.
A
We
have
a
midtown
progress
report,
the
administrative
review
draft
plan
and
code
presentation
by
strategic
econo
economics
and
opticos
design,
the
midtown
redevelopment
land
economics
and
urban
planning
partners.
Rich
brown
is
here
daniel
hernandez
is
here:
opticos
is
here
dina's
here
we
have
a
lot
of
people
we
haven't
seen
in
a
while.
So
welcome
everybody.
Thank
you
so
much
for
being
here
rich.
I
will
go
ahead
and
turn
it
over
to
you.
Thank
you
so
much
thank.
D
You,
madam
chair
and
good
evening
to
everyone
on
the
council.
Thank
you
for
allowing
us
this
time.
I'm
just
gonna
take
a
couple
minutes.
D
I'm
gonna
turn
it
over
to
mr
hernandez,
the
midtown
project
manager,
to
give
you
some
color
around
what
we're
going
to
talk
about
tonight,
but
I
wanted
to
state
that
we
are
now
post
the
resolution
that
was
recently
passed
in
this
moving
forward
phase
of
our
process
and
we
talked
and
daniel
had
in
many
of
his
presentations
about
the
interconnecting
of
the
development
framework
with
the
community
development
framework
or
the
community
development
plan,
and
just
recently
we
had
a
presentation
here
with
our
impact
report
on
community
development
and
now
you're,
going
to
start
to
see
more
iterations
of
the
land
development
plan
and
the
zoning
plan.
D
So
this
is
the
first
of
many
presentations
you'll
have
in
the
partnership
port
as
it
relates
to
land
development
and
then
the
starting
of
the
alignment
of
the
community
development
wants
and
needs
to
how
it
works
in
land
development
planning.
So
so
with
that
daniel
probably
can
explain
a
little
bit
more,
but
I
wanted
to
just
let
everyone
know.
This
is
the
first
in
a
new
series
as
we
move
forward
with
that
resolution
going
forward
in
midtown
development.
D
So
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
mr
hernandez
and
he'll,
introduce
the
team
and
do
the
presentation
from
there.
K
Thank
you
rich
good
evening
committee.
So
today
is
just
introducing
the
plan.
This
is
the
first
time
that
in
a
while
that
we've
been
that
we'll
be
rolling
out
the
plan
over
the
course
of
summer,
but
we're
going
to
start
with
the
committees
before
we
started
doing
much
more
public
engagement
and
we
hope
to
collaborate
with
the
midtown
engagement
partners
over
the
course
of
spring
and
summer
to
vet
and
get
input
on
the
the
midtown
plan.
K
So
we
know
a
physical
structure
that
can
get
built
on
the
site,
but
what's
inside
of
it,
what
kinds
of
hiring
goals,
job
goals?
Affordability
goals?
Do
we
want
to
have
those
are
not
embedded
in
the
actual
structure
it's
in
policy.
So
those
are
the
two
plans
that
we're
working
on
simultaneously
over
the
course
of
spring
and
summer,
but
tonight
again
we're
introducing
to
you
a
preliminary
view
of
the
plan
and
again
it
will
unfold
and
get
refined
over
the
course
of
summer.
K
The
other
thing
I
want
to
turn
it
over
quickly
to
stefan,
so
we
can
begin
the
presentation,
but
I
want
to
remind
the
committee
if
they
haven't
seen
any
announcements
or
heard
on
the
radio
already,
the
midtown
engagement
partners
are
hosting
a
voices
at
midtown
event,
it'll
be
a
zoom
event
and
I
believe
the
press
releases
went
out
today
from
the
city.
But
if
you
haven't
received
them
we'll
make
sure
that
you
get
them
so
that
you
can
participate.
But
again
it.
A
K
Introducing
the
concepts
and
their
findings
of
their
report
again,
they
want
additional
community
input
before
they
wrap
up
the
report
at
the
end
of
this
month
and
that
part
report
will
be.
It
will
help
inform
the
community
development
plan
on
as
we
move
forward.
So
without
further
ado,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
stefan
to
introduce
the
plan,
and
I
believe
you
have
cher
share
capacity
rights
whatever
show
it
share
your
screen
stuff
on
this
all
right.
C
Sure
thing
thanks
daniel
I
can
I'm
going
to
get
that
started
and
good
evening.
Madam
chair
and
members
of
the
governing
body,
thanks
for
the
introduction,
stefan
pellegrini
principal
at
opticos
design
and
very
happy
to
be
with
you
here
tonight,.
K
You
can
introduce
dena
belzer,
also,
oh,
yes,
she's
the
head
of
strategic
economics
and
they
are
also
working
on
the
land
economics
evaluation
of
land,
as
well
as
the
financing
structure
which
that
will
begin
to
unfold
next
month
as
well.
She's
working
closely
with
the
finance
department
to
put
presentations
together
for
next
month.
So
you'll
begin
seeing
more
presentations
on
this
idea
of
return
on
investment
as
well
as
how
we
will
determine
land
values
over
the
course
of
the
development
of
midtown.
So
dina,
you
might
want
to
wait,
say
hi.
J
Hi
everybody-
I'm
really
here
to
answer
any
questions
about
implementation
as
they
come
up
after
stefan's
presentation,
great.
D
D
So
as
we
move
forward
in
this
iteration
of
plans,
mr
longson
will
be
presenting
some
of
the
steps
moving
forward
for
that
standpoint,
but
I
want
to
officially
welcome
lee
to
the
team
on
our
committee,
so
with
that
stefan
you're
ready
we're
ready.
C
That
actually
might
be
faster
joining
my
screen
right
now.
Let's
see
if
this
doesn't
work.
D
Well,
what
we're
all
waiting
I
want
to
just
say
to
a
man
of
chair,
we're
both
in
california,
I'm
on
the
northern
end
and
and
chairs
on
the
southern
end,
and
so,
in
my
background,
is
what
the
northern
end
of
the
state
of
california
looks
like
it's
super
rocky.
There
are
beaches,
but
not
as
nice
and
temperate
as
they
are
in
san
diego
and
mr
hernandez
is
in
the
middle
of
the
state.
So
we've.
C
Thank
you
so
much
tina
for
bringing
up
the
presentation
of
my
apologies.
For
that
absolutely
can
everybody
see
it
yeah
great
technical
difficulties,
so
what
we
have
tonight
is
actually
about
a
20-minute
presentation,
we're
going
to
provide
an
introduction
to
the
land
development
plan
and
then
provide
plenty
of
opportunities
for
questions
and
discussion.
C
C
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
structure
and
organization
of
the
plan,
I'm
going
to
start
sort
of
at
the
big
picture,
30
000,
foot
level
and
I'll
spend
some
time
talking
about
some
of
the
information
that
each
of
the
respective
chapters
includes
before
concluding
for
questions
of
discussion
next
slide,
please.
C
So,
let's
start
with
the
objectives
for
midtown
go
to
the
next
slide.
Even
so,
as
I
mentioned,
many
of
the
objectives
that
articulated
in
the
plan
have
come
from
both
the
sort
of
more
recent.
C
Great
history
of
planning
at
midtown
that's
occurred
over
the
course
of
many
years.
To
date,
the
plan
outlines
goals
to
provide
a
new
center
for
santa
fe,
and
I
will
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that
in
the
next
few.
Slides
information
about
providing
multiple
and
different
kinds
of
spaces
and
opportunities
for
public
gathering
goals,
around
connectivity
and
enhancing
connections
between
this
portion
of
the
city
and
adjacent
neighborhoods
and
other
parts
of
the
region,
objectives
around
job
generation,
affordable
housing
and
sustainability
and
I'll
break
down
each
one
of
these.
C
A
little
bit
further.
With
regards
to
this
idea
of
a
center.
C
You
know
we
have
a
series
of
really
wonderful
community
buildings
that
exist
in
midtown
today
and
have
the
opportunity
to
become
anchors
for
future
development
at
midtown
site
at
the
midtown
site.
These
include
the
library,
the
garson
theater
sfai,
to
mention
just
a
few
and
we're
thinking
about
these
as
anchors
and
anchoring
these
along
a
network
of
interconnected
open
spaces.
C
They'll
also
orient
you
and
connect
to
a
main
plaza
space
as
sort
of
the
heart
of
midtown,
and
this
area
is
sort
of
being
conceptualized
as
a
space
that
makes
these
buildings
can
can
line
with
shop,
front
spaces
and
opportunities
to
enliven
the
pedestrian
realm.
And
thinking
about
this
really
sort
of
as
a
core
where
the
most
intense
development
and
activities
at
midtown
can
be
focused.
Sort
of
that.
So
the
development
at
midtown
actually
can
follow
their
tradition
of
how
we
sort
of
think.
C
And
communities
in
in
new
mexico
oriented
around
central
plaza
spaces
with
regards
to
green
spaces,
there's
sort
of
our
diversity
of
open
spaces
that
are
planned
to
support
a
variety
of
activities.
These
include
sort
of
both
small,
medium
and
large
spaces.
I
mentioned
the
central
plaza
as
a
space
for
gathering
performances.
C
There
is
sort
of
a
large
linear
park
or
alameda
that's
being
conceptualized
along
the
eastern
portion
of
midtown
that
would
be
appropriate
sort
of
for
walking
jogging
and
enhanced
wildlife
habitat,
as
well
as
a
number
of
sort
of
pocket
parks
and
plazas,
where
more
intimate
activities
like
playgrounds,
gardens
and
sort
of
public
art
can
occur.
The
idea
is
that
all
of
these
can
be
connected
to
one
another
through
a
network
of
pedestrian
paseos
and
bike
routes,
and
that
these
can
also
be
oriented
to
sort
of
the
other
civic
and.
C
Active
spaces,
including
the
opportunity
for
potentially
a
powwow
arena
that
can
also
be
located
on
site
and
we've
had
good
discussions
about
that
opportunity
and
believe
that
sort
of
the
civic
space
framework
could
accommodate
such
a
use.
If
that,
if
it
has
the
opportunity
to
land
at
midtown,.
C
I
mentioned
this
issue
around
connectivity.
This
is
happening
sort
of
on
many
levels.
The
plan
identifies
connections
between.
A
C
And
adjacent
neighborhoods,
particularly
versus
via
a
stronger
bicycle
and
pedestrian
connections,
and
so,
for
example,
we're
thinking
about
ways
to
better
connect.
The
hopewell
man
neighborhood
to
the
east
and
northeast,
especially
to
provide
access
to
the
new
community
anchors
that
will
occur
on
the
midtown
site,
for
example
the
library.
C
It's
also
important
to
sort
of
think
about
how
to
connect
strong,
north,
south
and
east-west
bike
and
ped
connections,
so
that
we
can
ensure
that
midtown
is
connected
within
the
region
and
to
stitch
this
area
together
to
other
districts.
C
This
has
to
do
with
sort
of
connecting
to
other
viking
pet
amenities
within
this
portion
of
santa
fe.
It
also
is
a
way
to
think
about
sort
of
getting
pedestrians
and
bicyclists
from
the
midtown
site
to
transit
connections
that
are
immediately
adjacent,
such
as
the
bus
lines
along
cerritos.
C
I
mentioned
this
goal
of
job
generation
and
so
we're
sort
of
thinking
about
midtown
as
an
opportunity
for
mixed
use.
Development.
The
central
spine
that
actually
sort
of
has
the
plaza
at
its
center.
A
C
C
And
then,
with
regards
to
affordable
housing,
we
understand
this
sort
of
this
key
opportunity
and
we'll
be
talking
about
this
a
little
bit
more
this
evening.
But
as
daniel
mentioned
we're
thinking
about
the
land
development
plan,
primarily
as
sort
of
a
regulatory
framework.
C
And
then,
finally,
with
regards
to
sustainability,
we're
using
the
lead,
neighborhood
development
as
a
framework
to
guide
choices,
around
sustainability
within
the
plan
and
for
future
development
and
that's
sort
of
an
important
way
to
sort
of
think
about
both
the
infrastructure
and
what
can
be
done
on
the
public
framework
side,
but
also
sort
of
what
we
can
ask
future
development
on
the
private
side
to
attempt
to
achieve
in
order
to
ensure
sustainability
and
new
buildings
and
new
construction
on
the
public
side.
C
C
Multimodal
transportation
options
along
the
site
that
means
connecting
to
existing
transit
opportunities,
such
as
the
rail
runner
and
the
bus
system,
but
also
making
sure
that
low
carbon
transport
is
an
attractive
option,
and
that
means
bringing
sort
of
a
high
quality
pedestrian.
C
C
So
daniel
mentioned
that
the
community
development
plan
is
real
sort
of
really
the
policy
framework
for
the
plan.
So
with
the
land
development
plan.
What
we're
really
primarily
thinking
about
is
making
the
physical
container
we're
thinking
about
the
spaces
and
the
buildings,
the
streets,
the
different
physical
components
that
we
can
actually
articulate
that
can
become
the
container
for
the
different
policies
that
can
be
implemented
through
the
community
development
plan.
So
we're
thinking
about
policies
and
priorities
for
future
development
and
we're
thinking
about
this,
both
as
a
regulatory
and
a
policy
document.
C
We
want
to
think
about
the
sort
of
standards,
development
standards,
things
that
we
can
do
with
regards
to
the
zoning
that
can
enable
this
future
container
and
that
we
also
sort
of
want
to
think
about
this
as
something
that's
going
to
require
participation
of
multiple
development
partners.
That
means
that
there
are
public
framework
components
that
excuse
me,
the
city
or
others
may
invest
in.
C
So
the
land
development
plan
is
currently
organized
in
eight
chapters.
There
are
four
chapters
that
actually
describe
the
vision
and
context
of
the
site,
and
there
are
four
chapters
that
actually
focus
on
the
standards
and
the
implementing
framework.
The
stuff
that
actually
sort
of
makes
the
skeleton
that
actually
makes
development
at
the
site
actually
achievable.
C
C
Mission
statement,
which
provides
sort
of
an
introduction
to
the
plan
and
provides
for
the
primary
mission
for
development
at
midtown
there's
a
background
and
setting
chapter
which
provides
history
of
the
planning
process
to
date.
It
also
provides
an
opportunity
to
think
about
the
site,
analytically
and
understand
its
key
opportunities
and
constraints
for
development.
C
To
trains-
and
this
these
are
some
sample-
spreads
from
the
plan
that
give
you
a
sense
of
sort
of
the
more
detailed
components
that
each
of
the
chapters
include
so
chapter.
One
includes
admission
vision.
Statement,
provides
information
around
what
the
purpose
of
this
land
development
plan
is
and
its
focus
and
organization
it
sort
of
grounds.
This
plan,
in
the
existing
plan
and
policy
framework
that
the
city
has
and
its
relationship
to
other
plans,
and
it
outlines
the
key
goals
for
development
in
midtown.
C
C
It
talks
about
some
of
the
key
site,
conditions,
constraints
and
opportunities
that
can
be
overcome
through
new
development
on
the
site,
and
it
provides
some
key
background
information
with
regards
to
urban
form
and
the
public
realm
that
really
sort
of
grounds.
These
ideas
about
what
we're
trying
to
make
here
with
regards
to
this
physical
container.
C
C
There's
additional
information
guiding
urban
form
and
building
scale
here,
as
well
as
content
around
place,
making
how
we
sort
of
envision
the
development
of
the
site
occurring
over
time
through
a
series
of
phases
and
what
sort
of
development
program
actually
might
be
achievable
here,
as
well
as
some
specific
information
around
how
development
can
reinforce
community
health
through
livability
and
other
attainable
goals.
C
And
then,
as
I
mentioned,
there's
a
key
chapter
on
connectivity
and
mobility.
This
provides
information
with
regards
to
how
we
can
make
key
connections
between
the
site
and
the
surrounding
area
through
policy
and
also
how
we
can
sort
of
ground
decisions
that
we
make
about.
A
interconnected
network
of
streets
blocks,
pedestrian
and
bicycle
infrastructure
on
the
on
the
midtown
site
itself.
So
we're
providing
opportunities
to
think
about
both
external
connectivity,
as
well
as
internal
connectivity
on
the
site.
C
And
then
chapter
5
outlines
information
on
infrastructure
and
public
facilities.
This
is
primarily
focused
on
what's
happening
underground,
as
well
as
sort
of
important
infrastructure
above
ground.
C
For
example,
it
provides
a
plan
for
storm
water
and
water
quality
management
on
the
site,
as
well
as
establishing
sort
of
policies
for
how
what
happens
on
the
site
can
connect
to
the
surrounding
area,
and
it
provides
guidance
for
how
this
especially
can
be
incorporated
into
the
public
infrastructure
on
the
site.
C
And
then
getting
into
sort
of
the
end
of
the
of
the
plan,
we
focus
on
again
sort
of
the
development
standards
and
regulations
that
are
seeking
to
guide
new
private
development
on
the
site,
so
with
development
standards.
We're
thinking
about
those
sort
of
the
public
framework
as
well
as
sort
of
what
would
guide
sort
of
the
development
of
future
private
personals.
C
There's
an
emphasis
in
all
parts
of
this
on
the
parts
of
the
development
that
actually
have
to
do
with
the
public
realm,
so
we're
thinking
about
how
buildings
interface
with
streets
and
public
right
of
ways
we're
thinking
about
their
frontage
in
terms
of
sort
of
the
interstitial
space
between
the
back
of
the
building.
This
excuse
me,
the
front
of
the
building
and
the
back
of
the
sidewalk,
for
example,
and
those
pieces
would
actually
be
publicly
engaged
with
we're.
A
C
C
That
can
support
some
of
the
public
and
institutional
framework
that
I
described
earlier.
So
the
idea
is
that
future
development
and
future
private
developers
have
an
opportunity
to
look
specifically
at
this
chapter
and
understand
the
expectations
for
physical
development
that
are
being
set
for
any
given
person.
C
And
then,
lastly,
the
chat,
the
plan
will
provide
some
information
around
administration,
implementation
and
financing,
and
we've
been
working
closely
with
dina
and
daniel
to
develop
the
content
for
this
chapter.
C
A
Wonderful,
thank
you
so
much.
I
really
appreciate
it.
Thank
you
so
much
for
being
here
for
the
presentation
and
it's
exciting
to
hear
about
the
progress
that's
been
being
made
in
this
area.
I
will
open
it
up
to
members
of
the
committee
for
questions.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
I'm
just
curious
overall
who's.
The
audience
for
this
planned
draft.
C
That
the
community
can
pick
up
and
understand
and
use
to
advocate
for
what
happens
at
the
site
in
the
future.
As
I
mentioned,
the
focus
is
really
on
that
physical
container,
and
this
needs
to
basically
sort
of
work
closely
with
the
community
development
plan.
That
has
an
opportunity
to
prioritize
the
policy
that
can
actually
support
that
physical
container.
But
it's
absolutely.
C
Those
two
work
hand
in
hand
that
those
are
both
accessible
and
those
are
highly
readable
and
legible
by
all
members
of
the
community.
F
Yeah,
I
think,
as
a
former
community
planner
who's
gone
through
formal
training.
F
This
makes
sense
to
me
because
I've
been
exposed
to
it,
but
the
average
audience,
which
is
the
public,
there's
a
lot
of
planning
jargon
that
I
would
suggest
that
you
not
use
to
make
it
as
simple
as
possible
and
if
there's
terms
you
use
to
try
to
define
them
somewhere
in
maybe
footnotes,
just
because
I
want
this
to
be
accessible.
So
people
understand
kind
of
this
vision
and
different
aspects
as
it
relates
to
land
development
and
that's
already
a
tough
dis
topic
in
general
for
people
to
digest.
F
So
I
think
some
people
would
really
be
jazzed
about
the
way.
This
is
structured
right
now
and
others
would
be
like
what
is
this
doesn't
make
sense,
so
I
think
just
trying
to
get
rid
of
jargon
or
be
clear
about
what
the
you
know
the
audience
if
this
is
just
the
overarching
understanding
of
the
land
development
plan
or
if
this
is
like
for
developers
as
they
potentially
look
at
the
becoming
a
partner
in
midtown
and
then
also
obvious.
F
Obviously,
staff
would
want
we'd
want
that
accessible,
which
I
think
it
is
for
our
planners
and
then
there's
a
part.
You
talked
about
at
the
beginning
that
talked
about
selling
land
at
discounted
rates.
F
Let's
see
it's
at
the
beginning,
as
it
relates
to
housing,
affordability
and
did
you
all
or
have
you
all
been
considering
or
looking
at,
not
just
discounted
rates
but
donating
land
so
that
we
actually
get
affordable,
workforce
housing
development
because,
as
we
know,
the
only
way
that
not
just
number
wise
it
works
out,
but
just
the
way
how
expensive
it
is
to
develop
in
santa
fe
that
it
works.
Well,
when
there's
ways
that
we
can
prioritize
land
and
donate
it
for
affordable
options.
So
are
you
all
considering
that
possibility.
J
Yeah,
that's
a
great
question:
counselor.
The
answer
is
yes,
so
what
the
work
that
I'm
doing
with
my
colleague,
sarah
woodworth
we're
we're
looking
at
this
return
on
investment
modeling,
where
we
have
a
land
economics
model
that
covers
the
entire
site,
and
then
we
can
look
at
a
continuum
of
valuations
to
understand
how
much
return
on
investment
the
city
might
get
from
land
sales
and
that
can
represent
a
range,
and
this
is
very
much
a
policy
choice.
J
Those
pilot
as
daniel
said
earlier,
there's
policy
part
of
the
plan
and
then
there's
the
regulatory
part
of
the
plan,
we're
actually
looking
at
the
regulatory
part
of
the
plan.
Today,
as
stefan
said,
the
vessel,
so
the
decisions
around
the
price
for
land
when
that
decision
will
be
made.
All
of
that
will
be
part
of
the
policy
document.
We
just
want
to
be
sure
that
we
know
how
many
units
we
can
generate.
We
want
to
know
if
the
there
there's
a
good
connection
between
the
infrastructure.
We
want
to
be
sure
we
have
the
right
infrastructure.
J
We
want
to
be
sure
we
have
the
right
storm
water
system.
So
all
of
those
things
need
to
be
in
place
in
order
to
build
anything,
affordable
or
not.
So
the
answer,
that's
a
that's
a
long
answer,
but
that's
what
we've
been
talking
to
the
midtown
engagement
partners?
About
too
is:
can
you
see
yourselves
and
your
your
needs
and
wants
in
this?
J
Do
you
understand
where
you
can
fit
and
as
they're
saying
yes
or
no
we're
we're,
then
adjusting
so
that
we
can
be
sure
that
whatever
it
is,
people
think
they
need
and
want
in
the
future
will
be
able
to
be
accommodated
within
this
regulatory
framework.
So
so
again
we're
looking
at
a
range
of
densities.
We've
talked
to
several
affordable
housing
developers.
J
We
I
we
know
the
community
is
very
interested
in
a
community
land
trust
model
and
any
or
all
of
those
things
could
be
accommodated
again
at
a
range
of
densities
based
on
what
is
already
being
built
by
affordable
housing
developers
in
santa
fe.
F
Thank
you,
dina.
Are
you
also
looking
at
when
you're
talking
about
return
on
investment,
because
to
me
investments
also
like
community
access?
Yes,
but
I
guess
I'm
thinking
more
like
in
order
to
make
affordable
housing
possible.
Are
there
other
elements
that
are
not
in
the
housing
realm,
like
the
retail
side
of
things
or
the
there's
other
uses
that
you're
talking
about
the
studios,
office,
space,
retail,
etc?
F
Maybe
you
don't
have
the
answer,
but
maybe
when
we
get
to
that
financial
analysis,
I
would
like
to
see
how
things
I
know
it's
more
complicated
than
the
way
I'm
making
it
sound.
But
I'm
just
curious
if
there's
ways
that
we
invest
in
different
aspects
of
the
project
and
community
development
part.
F
But
then
it
offsets
what
we're
trying
to
do
in
terms
of
livability
affordability
of
housing-
and
you
know
that's
a
whole
spectrum,
but
obviously
I'm
looking
at
like
workforce
housing,
transitional
housing,
all
of
the
spectrums
of
like
precariously
housed
folks,
as
I
had
said
earlier
in
another
meeting,
so
just
curious.
If
that's
the
possibility
for
the
next
kind
of
analysis
and
presentation
that
we
get.
F
D
Chair
and
council
viral,
I
just
want
to
explore
that
question.
You
had,
I
think,
you're
right.
We
will
be
exploring
that,
but
I
wanted
to
know
whether
you're
looking
at
the
commercial
spaces,
as
maybe
co-ops
or
something
of
that
nature,
to
to
buy
profit
and
purpose
at
the
same
time
as
it
goes
into
development.
Is
that
why
you're
asking
the
question.
F
Ways
that
we
allow
for
certain
developments
in
order
to
get
something
else.
Yes,.
K
Yes,
so
the
model,
the
model
that
we're
creating,
is
fairly
fluid
in
that
you
know,
I'm
exaggerating
the
point,
but
you
know
donating
a
site
and
then
the
other
commercial
site
is
going
to
generate
higher
levels
of
income
because
we
are
going
to
do
something
else
that
has
a
higher
rate
of
return
and
those
are
the
balances
that
will
continually
have
that.
K
You
know
the
city
will
have
to
contend
with
as
they
sell
property
over
time,
but
the
model
right
now
is
just
sort
of
setting
a
base
like
this
is
what
we
can
expect
and
it
includes
housing,
affordability.
It
includes
you
know
some
commercial
space.
Like
the
arts,
you
know
the
hearts
hub
that
may
have
some
affordability
within
that
the
library
is
not
going
to
be
an
income
generator.
K
So
all
of
those
things
play
out
in
this
model,
so
policy
decisions
can
continue
to
be
made
into
the
future,
but
we're
just
going
to
set
a
kind
of
a
base
right
now,
so
that
we
have
something
that
we
can
present
to
the
public
about
what
levels
of
returns
we
might
expect
and
when
we
can
reduce
our
operating
expenses
over
a
period
of
time
as
well
on
the
site,
including
the
free
payment
of
the
bond.
J
The
one
thing
that
I
would
add
to
that
also
is
that
we
are:
we
have
decoupled
the
cost
of
infrastructure
from
the
cost
of
land
development,
which
is
another
another
way
of
help
of
achieving
the
goal
that
you're
talking
about
and
we're
working
on,
understanding
our
infrastructure
costs
and
looking
at
a
variety
of
ways
to
pay
for
that,
for
the
any
infrastructure
upgrades
that
that
could
not
necessarily
be
tied
to
land
sales.
So
I
think
this
is,
on
the
one
hand,
what
you're
saying
what
what
what
daniel's
pointing
out
is.
J
You
could
use
land
sales
to
cross
subsidize,
but
you
could
also
use
those
land
sales
to
pay
for
the
infrastructure,
which
then
also
becomes
a
subsidy.
So
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
complexity
and
detail
there
and,
as
daniel
said,
the
model
will
be
modular
and
we're
working
very
closely
with
mary,
mccoy
and
and
brad
in
the
finance
department,
because
there
will
be
a
series
of
ways
to
look
at
this
over
time
and
we're
waiting,
we're
doing
now,
a
detailed
infrastructure
assessment.
J
It
will
start
in
early
april
so
that
we
know
what
those
costs
are.
They
won't
be
black
box,
and
so
I
think
that's
one
of
the
ways
in
which
this
master
plan,
if
you
will,
is
different
from
if
you
had
a
master
developer,
who
would
automatically
be
expected
to
carry
all
those
infrastructure
costs
within
the
structure
of
their
land
sales?
And
we
were
for
now
recoupling
those
and
really
trying
to
look
at
them
in
parallel,
but
not
assuming
that
we're
going
to
burden
all
the
land.
F
Yes,
I
I
appreciate
that,
and
I
guess
I'm
hoping
that
these
scenarios,
if
they
are
scenarios
that
you
give,
will
give
us
when
we
talk
about
the
financial
aspect
and
the
levels
of
return,
quote
levels
of
return
that
they're
I'm
assuming,
maybe
I'm
wrong,
but
there
may
be
an
actual
scenario
where
we
don't
break
even
that
we
are
still
subsidizing
nobody
putting
money
into
this
property.
I
mean
that's
kind
of
a
reality.
F
I
guess
I
I
I
guess
I
don't
want
people,
my
colleagues
to
assume
that
we're
just
going
to
be
like
all
right,
we're
done
with
it.
No
more
costs
for
the
city
of
santa
fe.
That's
not
going
to
happen
if
we
want
what
we
want
in
terms
of
affordability,
community
spaces
et
cetera,
so
I'm
just
putting
that
out
there
and
look
forward
to
that
conversation
as
we
get.
I.
J
J
Built
we're
ready
to
go
we're
just
waiting
for
those
costs
and
then
we're
going
to
have
to
make
decisions
about
phasing,
but
also
sort
of
your
to
to
another
point
that
I
thought
you
might
be
making,
but
maybe
you
weren't,
so
I'm
gonna
suggest
this,
which
is
that
there
is
return,
that's
being
created
for
the
city.
That
is
above
and
beyond
the
monetary
return
that
comes
from
selling
land,
and
I
think
this
is
a
little
bit
where
you're
going
to
is
there's
the
benefit
of
creating
affordable
housing
across
a
wider
spectrum
of
income
eligibility.
J
But
we
also
have
an
amazing
opportunity
to
create
a
bunch
of
really
exciting
community
facilities
here
that
if
the
city
had
to
go
out
and
build
a
new
main
library
with
anything
like
the
architectural
character
of
the
fogelson
library,
it
would
cost
more
than
the
city
more
than
all,
of
the
capital
plus
in
the
city
has
invested
in
the
site
today.
So
that's
also
how
we're
looking
at
this,
the
visual
arts
center
same
thing,
the
the
garson
theater.
J
Those
will
be
community
facilities
that
the
community
would
not
that
the
city
would
not
have
the
opportunity
to
provide
without
having
invested
in
midtown.
So
it's
kind
of
I'm.
I
keep
using
the
antiques
roadshow
analogy:
you've
gone
to
an
auction
and
you've
bought
a
box,
and
you
know:
did
you
pay
back
what
you
paid
for
the
auction
and
then
the
answer
is
yes,
depending
on
how
you
look
at
the
value
of
each
individual
object?
J
Through
here
yeah,
it's
it's
a
great
it's
a
great
way
to
try
to
think
about
it
and
again
there
there's
no
one
right
answer
and
so
we're
trying
to
really
bracket
the
the
range
of
people's
concerns
and
interests
in
this.
What
we're
calling
return
on
investment
analysis
right,
I'm
sorry,
we
don't
have
more
to
show
but
we'll
start
rolling
information
out
with
the
finance
committee.
As
daniel
said,
probably
in
april
may,
ish.
D
J
Be
a
start
to
understanding
how
do
we
get
to
land
values
like
that's,
a
very
there's,
just
a
lot
packed
into
that
very
basic
assumption?
How
do
we
think
about
return
on
investment?
Just
what
I
said
is
that
you
know
did
we
did
we
buy
the
box
and
then
get
back
the
value
of
the
box
plus
or
are
we
getting
back?
Are
we
just
you
know?
How
do
we
calculate
that.
F
Great
thanks
dina.
I
appreciate
that
and
then
the
last
question
I
had
was
as
it
relates
to,
I
think
stefan
said
something
about
we.
We
need
to
create
a
regulatory
framework
for
private
developers
and
opportunities.
Can
you
say
more
about
that?
What
you
mean
by
that.
C
Sorry
about
that
yeah,
the
anticipation
is
that
the
we're
going
to
be
making
parcels
at
midtown
that
will
be
made
available
to
to
different
developers,
and
those
parcels
will
then
need
guidance
about
how
we
can
actually
put
development
on
those
sites.
With
regards
to
how
we
orient
buildings,
you
know
their
frontage,
how
parking
works.
C
Things
like
that,
and
the
midtown
link
provides
a
good
sort
of
basis
for
thinking
about
how
development
should
happen
at
the
site,
but
it's
not
as
specific
enough
as
is
needed
to
really
implement
something
that
is
sort
of
in
keeping
with
the
community's
vision.
And
so
the
idea
is
to
sort
of
supplement.
What's
in
the
midtown
lake,
with
some
additional
development
standards
that
can
ensure
that
we
have
the
sort
of
high
quality
public
realm
that
emerges
at
midtown.
F
Thank
you
and
when
you're
seeing
development
standards
are
they
going
to
be
different
than
what
we
have
currently
for
our
land
use
code
and,
as
you
mentioned,
midtown
link,
because
we
were
just
talking
about
this
in
a
community
development
commission
meeting
earlier
and
how
it
hasn't
been
actually
utilized.
Yet
the
midtown
link
and
that's
a
disappointment,
because
we
really
thought
that
there
was
some
good
components
there.
But
no
developers
have
taken
on
that.
You
know
taking
the
lead
to
be
able
to
to
utilize
that.
So
I'm
curious
when
you
say
development
standards.
C
Yeah,
maybe
it's
sort
of
like
I
can
sort
of
provide
you
a
couple
of
examples
you
know
one
is
that
the
midtown
link
provides
what's
essentially
sort
of
a
hype
bonus
from
the
existing
zoning
and
it
allows
you
know,
I
think,
in
most
of
the
midtown
district,
you
can
go
up
to
35
feet
right
now
and
then
the
link
basically
says
you
can
go
up
to
52.
C
Anything
about
what
that
means
and
sort
of
where
and
how
you
should
think
about
like
an
increase
in
height,
so
we
could
basically
say
well,
maybe
along
streets,
you
could
go
up
to
62
feet.
C
A
C
In
the
zone,
you
might
need
to
set
aside
some
open
space,
but
we're
going
to
be
sort
of
silent
on
how
you
how
you
do
that
and
what
we
can
do
with
these
supplemental
standards
is
say.
You
know
you
could
take
your
open
space
requirement
and
actually
express
it
in
spaces
that
we
know
will
be
beneficial
to
the
residents
and
to.
A
C
Community
things
like
courtyards
or
or
terraces
or
sort
of
other
spaces
that
we
can
sort
of
take
the
standards.
C
Thing
that
that
again
provides
sort
of
more
specificity
than
than
the
midtown
link
standards
actually
provide.
F
So
we'll
possibly
build
upon
what
we
already
have,
but
it
won't
have
its
own
development
standards
in
the
midtown
property.
Is
that
correct,
we'll
have
separate?
I
guess
I'm
just
curious
if
it
connects
with
our
current
development
standards
or.
A
C
F
A
Thank
you
councilwoman
councillor,
lee
garcia,.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
just
have
a
quick
question.
I
guess
in
regards
to
what
what
is
the
foresight
of
how?
E
How
how
big
of
a
property
is,
is
the
midtown
area
and
how
much
is
projected
to
be
retained
by
the
city
and
how
much
is
possibly
going
to
be
either
sold
gifted
utilized
for
that
type
of
return,
and
so
going
back
to
the
dialogue
previously
in
regards
to
what
creates
an
asset
to
our
community
and
definitely
is
the
ability
for
us
to
utilize
it
have
it
accessible
to
our
citizens
at
the
same
time
how
you
know
what
percentage
of
it
might
be
utilized
for
for
sale.
E
I
think
somebody
talked
about
mixed
use
developments
and
all
this
is
going
to
go
into
the
different
zoning
that
is
assigned,
I
believe
to
this
this,
this
piece
of
property,
so
I
think
I'll
stop
there.
If
somebody
wants
to
tackle
that
piece.
C
I
can
get
that
started
and
it's
a
little
bit
difficult
for
me
to
sort
of
talk
about
concrete
numbers
right
now,
only
because
I
don't
have
them
in
front
of
me,
but
maybe
just
sort
of
try
to
characterize
this.
C
It
should
be
the
piece
of
the
site
that
actually
moves
forward
sort
of
in
the
public
realm,
and
then,
on
top
of
that,
we
have
this
framework
of
buildings
on
the
campus
today
that
have
an
opportunity
either
to
continue
to
be
public
amenities
or
sort
of
reopen
and
be
made
available
to
the
public.
So
an
example
of
the
former
would
be
like
sfai
or
the
garcia.
C
Theater
example
of
the
latter
would
be
the
folkestone
library,
which
is
you
know,
not
public
amenity
right
now,
but
there's
an
opportunity
to
sort
of
make
it
so
and
and
open
sort
of
a
public
facility
there.
So
we
sort
of
have
that
sort
of
piece
as
well
and
we're
sort
of
thinking
about
those
pieces
as
the
primary
public
framework,
the
public
infrastructure
for
for
the
site,
there's
also
an
opportunity
I
mentioned,
to
make
much
better
connections
to
stuff.
C
C
You
think
about
sort
of
how
people
could
actually
walk
directly
just
a
few
blocks
to
that
to
that
site,
but
today
it's
just
not
possible,
and
so
in
the
future
there
could
be
certain
policies
that
are
identified
that
actually
could
make
that
kind
of
connection
achievable.
J
J
The
price
is
to
be
determined.
We
just
discussed
that
about
20
of
the
land
would
be
either
sold
or
leased
as
these
community
anchor
buildings.
So
some
of
those
buildings
could
be
sold
to
other
organizations.
They
don't
all
need
to
be
retained
by
the
city,
about
17
of
the
land
would
be
dedicated
to
public
infrastructure,
so
that
would
include
the
the
plaza
the
streets.
J
E
Thank
you.
So
I
mean
that
answers
my
question
very
well,
and
I
you
know,
when
you're,
taking
a
look
at
housing
and
the
availability
of
of
utilizing
this
property
for
that
that
takes
a
big
part
of
the
usable
property
and
gives
it
life
for
one.
E
E
Those
are
just
a
couple
of
my
comments
and
you
know
I
I
I
think
the
community
is
really
interested
in
seeing
how
this
works
out.
You
probably
can't
get
to
a
start
date
or
an
implementation
date,
because
you
know,
and
that
just
takes
time.
So
I
appreciate
the
the
presentation
and
all
the
hard
work
thanks.
A
A
G
Got
a
quick,
simple
question:
is
this
presentation
going
to
be
given
to
the
governing
body
a
actually
rich.
K
Yes,
yeah
it'll,
I'm
sorry,
yes,
it
will
be,
and
but
usually
we
try
to
condense
it.
We
know
that
your
agendas
are
so
full,
so
we
try
to
get
it
into
much
more
compact
form
for
you.
G
G
Because
I
I
don't
like
the
piecemealing
of
this,
I
I
I
think
this
is
critical
information
that
we
all
need
to
have
you
know,
and
if
that
means
us
working
with
the
city
manager
to
develop
our
governing
body
agendas
accordingly,
so
you
can
give
an
appropriate
presentation.
G
I
I
don't
like
the
condensed
methodology,
let's,
let's,
let's
give
it
all
to
us
all
at
once.
So
that's
just
a
comment.
I
guess,
madam
chair,
thank
you
for
clarifying
daniel.
I
appreciate
it.
No
other
questions.
Thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you
rich
and
thank
you,
daniel
and
thank
you.
Everybody
else
that
helped
with
this
dina
and
et
cetera,
you're
welcome.
A
Thank
you
councillor,
any
other
questions
or
comments
from
the
committee.
A
Well,
thank
you
all
for
being
here
tonight
and
thank
you
so
much
for
the
presentation
for
the
work
very
much
looking
forward
to
these.
This
continued
discussion.
A
Thank
you.
Moving
on,
let's
go
to
items
pulled
from
consent
item.
A
this
item
was
pulled
by
lee
garcia.
This
is
a
request
for
approval
of
fiscal
year.
22
supplemental
police
vehicle
purchase
for
the
vehicles,
equipment
and
labor
costs
associated
with
each
vehicle,
and
the
total
amount
of
approximately
2.9
million
dollars.
Funding
and
budget
adjustment
resolution
was
approved
at
the
march
9
2022
governing
body
meeting.
We
have
ben
valdez
deputy
chief
of
police
here
to
present
councilor
lee
garcia
floor
is
yours.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
guess
I
just
have
a
little
bit
of
a
couple
of
questions
in
regards
to
the
hybrid
units
and
how
are
you
guys
currently
utilizing
any
of
the
hybrid
units
in
the
police,
pursuit.
N
Right,
madam
chair
counselor,
lee
garcia.
Yes,
sir,
we
have
seven
hybrid
units
that
we've
been
utilizing
for
the
past
year
and
those
are
the
pursuit,
rated
hybrid
units.
E
Okay-
and
I
guess
just
going
towards
you-
know-
hybrid
and
electric
and
everything-
this
is
a
whole
new
territory.
For
a
lot
of
us,
they've
been
pretty
durable,
minimal,
downtime,
less
you
know
in
the
maintenance
of
them
is
a
little
bit
less
cost
for
it
as
well.
N
Casper
lee
garcia,
so
the
maintenance
is
pretty
straightforward.
It
has
two
engines,
it
has
the
conventional
engine,
but
then
also
an
atkinson
hybrid
electric
engine
which
reduces
the
fuel
consumption
of
the
vehicle.
That
atkinson
doesn't
require
too
much
maintenance.
At
this
point,
we've
been
deploying
hybrids
in
our
fleet
since
approximately
2016
with
the
fusion
platform,
but
for
the
pursuit
rated
one,
that's
a
new
arena
for
us.
It
just
started
back
in
2020.
E
It's
50
here,
thank
you.
I
you
know.
Sometimes
you
wonder
about
you
guys
have
to
get
in
get
in
those
vehicles
and
zoom
away
pretty
quickly,
and
so
they,
you
know
just
dependability
wise
maintenance.
I
did
so.
These
new
units
are
are
all
wheel
drive
then
the
utility
models,
yes
kessler
and
me
coming
from
the
automotive
industry.
E
How
is
the
maintenance
of
the
drive
trains
with
these,
especially
when
you're
utilizing
you
hear
that
you
have
I'm
in
the
tire
business?
So
if
you
mess
up
one
tire,
you
replace
all
four.
These
type
of
things
can
add
to
costs.
E
But
what
type
of
what
do
you
guys
foresee
as
far
as
costs
with
things
of
drivetrain
and
will
that
affect
your
budget
considerably?.
N
We've
been
utilizing,
all-wheel
drive
vehicles
for
patrol
fleet
since
2013,
with
both
the
sedan
and
utility
versions
of
the
police,
interceptor
and
again,
just
with
normal,
wear
and
tear
that
we
see
with
those
types
of
patrol
vehicles
they
do
have.
A
lot
of
you
know
stress
use
because
they
have
to
be
used
for
emergency
response
throughout
their.
You
know,
minimum
of
four
days,
sometimes
seven
days
a
week
in
the
field,
so
we
have
seen
that
they've
held
up
very
well.
There
was
one
thing
that
we
saw
with
the
police
interceptor
platform.
N
That
was
like
a
common
thing,
but
it
happened
just
here
and
there
and
it's
just
a
module
on
the
transmission
that
it's
a
quick
swap
and
then
it's
back
up
and
running,
but
in
comparison
to
vehicles
we
had
in
the
past.
We
used
to
have
issues
with
you
know
tires
where
you'd
only
be
able
to
get
maybe
15
to
20
000
miles
of
them,
because
those
vehicles
were
overloaded.
Those
were
our
impalas,
they
were
not
intended
for
patrol
duty
use
like
we
use
them.
N
Our
officers
have
quite
a
bit
of
equipment
that
they
carry
in
their
vehicles.
They
have
updated
equipment
such
as
a
partition
to
allow
transport
the
vehicles
we're
looking
for
right
now
with
the
police
interceptor.
They
were
built
for
that
type
of
stress.
They
were
built
for
that
type
of
performance
to
be
able
to
manage.
You
know
the
rigors
of
the
police
environment
and
the
workload
that
our
officers
gonna
put
up
to
do.
You
know
all
the
current
equipment.
N
They
have
the
high
stress
driving
where
they're
having
to
do
rapid
acceleration
and
deceleration.
So
they
come
with
beefier
suspension,
beefier
brakes
and
with
the
tires
that
we
have,
they
are
also
rated
to
be
utilized
for
that
type
of
police
use.
E
Thank
you
one
last
question.
I
guess
I
might
ask:
is
the
batteries
in
these?
How
often
do
you
pursue
possibly
having
to
change
them
out?
E
You
know
when
I
think
I
read
somewhere
in
the
packet
that
when
officer
officers
may
be
on
idle
time,
they
might
be
utilizing
that
battery
to
power
up.
You
know
all
of
the
equipment
that
they're
suited
up
with,
and
so
what
would
you
perceive
as
possibly
having
to
change
those
out
and
how
often.
N
Counselor
lee
garcia,
that
was
a
question
that
we
had
when
we
first
looked
at
hybrids
back
in
2016.
of
all
the
vehicles
we've
had
since
2016
we've
had
replaced
zero
of
those
lithium
ion
batteries,
so
we're
anticipating
that
that
lithium-ion
battery
will
last
the
life
of
the
vehicle
so
anywhere
from
five
to
seven
years.
So
we're
hoping
we
will
not
need
to
replace
them,
but
again
with
it
being
in
the
patrol
field
around
with
these
hybrid
vehicles.
N
Now
we're
going
to
be
able
to
see
the
full
function
of
it,
because
the
other
hybrids
we
had
were
mostly
relegated
to
administrative
duties
and
such,
but
I
know
the
ford
motor
company.
They
put
those
batteries
through
quite
a
bit
of
torture,
testing
with
extreme
heat
cold,
even
jostling
around,
to
see
if
they
can
make
sure
that
the
turbulence
batteries
are
going
to
be
functional.
But
with
us
this
is
kind
of
a
new
frontier
for
us.
In
the
patrol
run.
With
these
vehicles
we
know
ford.
N
Motor
company
has
a
very
good
product
and
we're
hoping
that
those
batters
will
last
the
five
to
seven
service
years
that
we
have
those
vehicles
in
our
fleet.
But
again
we're
gonna
be
evaluating
that
as
we
go
through
because
they're
being
deployed
in
a
patrol
in
a
patrol
functional
versus
an
administrative
function
like
they
were
before.
E
Thank
you,
chief
valdez
deputy
police.
I
have
no
further
questions.
If
anybody
has
any
questions,
I
can
make
a
motion.
H
B
Councillor
villarreal,
yes,
councillor,
garcia
ali
garcia,
yes
counselor
chavez,
yes,
chair,
cassette,
yes
motion
passes.
Thank
you
so
much.
A
Thank
you,
deputy
fellas
for
being
with
us.
Moving
on
to
item
b
is
consideration
of
resolution.
A
2022
dash
has
not
been
filled
in
yet
to
approve
amending
impact
fees,
capital
improvement
plan,
fy
fiscal
year,
2021
to
2027
and
replace
tables,
80
and
81
listing
planned
road
improvements
and
parks
and
trails
improvements,
as
recommended
by
the
capital
improvements
advisory
committee.
We
have
romela
glorioso
here
to
present
formella
wonderful,
to
see
you
and
councilwoman
vitorial
pulled
this
item.
F
Councilwoman
the
floor
is
yours.
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
staff
for
being
here
just
a
couple.
Clarity,
questions,
as
I
think
mostly
because
I
had
gotten
multiple
concerns
from
the
capital
improvements
advisory
committee
members.
So
I'm
just
trying
to
circle
back
with
some
of
those
questions
that
were
asked
to
me,
which
I
couldn't
answer.
F
So
I
think
it
would
be
just
helpful
to
clarify
some
things
for
the
committee
members,
and
maybe
you
could
just
start
with
how
priorities
were
determined
and
presented
to
the
capital
improvements,
advisory
committee.
O
Chairwoman
and
councilwoman
viriel,
regina
wheeler
public
works
director.
I've
been
working
closely
with
ramela
and
lee
logsdon
to
lead
these
items
through
the
capital
improvement
advisory
committee,
along
with
patricia
fagali
assistance.
The
attorney
she's
been
the
city
attorney
that
has
been
guiding
all
of
our
submittals
and
as
well
as
giving
presentations
to
the
impact
fee
committee,
and
so
prioritization,
isn't
really
what's
happening
here.
What's
happening
is
that
these?
O
These
all
of
these
projects
are
equally
eligible
for
funding
by
the
impact
fees
and
they
come
from
our
long-range
transportation
master
plan.
They
come
from
our
icip
projects
that
have
been
identified
as
priorities
already
by
the
governing
body
in
our
capital
plans
in
our
adopted
transportation,
master
plans,
pedestrian
master
plans
and
bicycle
master
plans,
and
so
that's
mostly
where
this
work
where
the
works
on
this
list
comes
from.
O
We
also
explained
to
the
impact
fee
committee,
and
I
think
I've
spoken
to
governing
body
members
before
about
the
fact
that
we
have
all
of
these
projects
that
we
apply
for
funding
for
and
then
when
a
project
receives
funding,
it
becomes
a
very
high
priority,
and
so
it's
interesting
so
things
like
sandoval
montezuma
intersection,
for
instance,
got
a
legislative
appropriation
about
three
years
ago,
and
you
know
that
wasn't
exactly
high
on
the
radar.
It
was
on
our
icip,
but
then
you
know
with
the
funding.
F
This
also,
I
guess
I'm
curious
how
it
fits
into
our
long
range.
Land
use
related
needs,
and
you,
you
mentioned,
or
highlighted
some
master
plans,
but
we
don't
have
long
range
planning
staff
anymore
and
what's
happened
is
we
have
development
happening
across
the
city
in
different
places
and
there's?
No,
no
one
in
charge
of
looking
at
like
foresight
of
how
we
can
potentially
provide
infrastructure
needs.
They
will
become
hot
spot
areas
because
of
you
know,
development,
that's
concentrated
in
an
area
or
we
had
roads
that
always
needed
support
because
they
were
older.
F
They
were
older
roads
that
never
really
got
and
they
were
deferred
maintenance.
Whatever
the
situation
is
so
I
guess
my
concern
is:
how
does
it
actually
fit
into
the
long-range
planning
needs
that
we
have,
because
we
don't
have
anyone
tracking
that,
in
my
opinion,
actually,
yes,
chairwoman.
O
Thinking
about
this
well,
it's
it's
the
actual,
mpo
actually
and
the
mpo
that
adopts
our
transportation
master
plan.
They
actually
do
long-range
planning
like
that,
and
we
do.
They
do
have
a
very
significant
list
and
we
work
closely
with
them
on
a
regular
basis
and
so
councilwoman
villarreal
is
you've
brought
forward.
O
That
aguafria
really
needs
a
bigger
and
more
updated
plan
based
on
all
the
development,
and
so
we
I'll
have
actually
mapped
out
some
steps
about
that
and
we
actually
have
a
scope
for
an
initial
assessment
that
would
take
a
look
at
the
development
there,
so
that
is
raising
up
and
that's
what
happens
so
a
transportation
master
plans
are
adopted
about
every
five
years,
but
mpo
and
public
works
work
really
closely
and
we're
listening
to
governing
body
feedback,
we're
listening
to
constituent
feedback,
traffic
complaints
that
we
get,
and
so
it
is
a
very
dynamic
situation.
O
We
are
growing
and
we
have
the
deferred
maintenance,
but
I
think
we're
balancing
out
like
addressing,
for
instance,
bishops
lodge
road
now
is
a
high
priority.
It
got
800
000
of
funding.
You
know,
like
you,
said,
that's
one
of
those
old
roads
where
development
has
occurred
and
there's
more
and
more
traffic,
and
it
really
needs
attention,
and
so
we're
definitely
going
to
be
adding
aguafria
to
our
list
and
and
really
mapping
out
how
to
assess
that
and
then,
where
to
put
the
construction
projects
in
our
master
plans
and
capital
plans.
F
Okay,
that's
helpful,
I
think
the
other
question,
and
just
so
you
can
clarify
for
us
that
there
was
a
question
about
what
types
of
roads
would
be
allowable
for
impact
fee
revenue
use
and
there
was
differences
of
opinion
on
the
committee
and
versus
I
think
what
staff
finally
ultimately
provided.
Can
you
give
us
more
information
about
that?
It
was
specifically
about
roads
and
what
it
says
I
think
at
the
state
level.
F
F
O
Absolutely
so,
as
I
said,
patricia
pagali,
the
assistant
city
attorney
has
been
guiding
the
committee
as
well
as
staff
through
this
process,
and
the
confusion
comes
in
that
the
state
statute
that
identifies
what
impact
fees
can
be
used
for
is
very
vague
and
it
is
very
short
it's
about
one
sentence
and
it
does
say
collector
and
main
roads,
and
but
the
city
code
actually
ex
expands
on
that,
and
then
that
does
tie
back
to
the
state
code
as
well
for
what's
eligible
capital
projects.
O
So
the
city
coast
is
anything,
that's
in
our
master
plan
and
provides
needed
bicycle
and
pedestrian
access
and
additional
volume.
So
the
city
code
is
much
more
clear
and
that's
what
and
we,
I
think
I
sent
a
presentation
to
maybe
one
of
the
other
committees
the
same
one,
that
we
gave
the
ciac
and
be
happy
to
send
it
to
you.
O
It
makes
it
super
clear,
patricia:
fagali
gave
a
presentation
about
how
the
city
code
allows,
for
it
makes
it
more
clear
what
impact
fees
can
be
used
for,
and
that
includes
a
number
of
other
kinds
of
roads
and
one
of
the
great
things
about
that
is-
and
we've
spoken
about
this
before
I
think-
is
that
it
can
prevent
sprawl,
because
if
we
can
only
spend
our
money
on
the
bigger
roads,
you
can,
you
know,
only
use
collectors.
O
But
if
you
can
do
infill,
then
you
can
support
those
with
smaller
roads,
but
it
also
does.
Then
you
know,
bring
the
issue
about
some
small
roads,
only
service,
a
specific
area,
and
then
maybe
a
district
would
seem
to
be
over
served.
But
but
yes,
the
city
code
does
clarify
and
that
more
types
of
roads
are
eligible
and
that's
what?
Why
patricia?
Begali
supported
this
process-
and
we
are
here
with
this
list.
Okay,.
F
O
It
is
a
very
handy
source
for
us
for
gaap
funding,
so,
for
instance,
when
we
got
the
harrison
road
money
from
the
legislature,
we
got
two
hundred
thousand
dollars,
but
we
really
ended
up
needing
six
hundred
thousand
dollars,
and
so
things
like
that
that
one
we
actually
did
in
the
governing
body
actually
funded
that
through
a
reallocation
of
the
grt
bond.
But
this
is
one
of
those
sources
of
funding
that
we
can
use
to
keep
a
project
moving
in
between
funding
gaps
from
say,
dot
or
the
legislature.
O
So
it's
very
good
for
gap
funding,
which
is
another
reason.
The
priorities
shift
according
to
really
the
funds
that
we
get
by.
You
know
whether
it's
grt
bonds
or
dot
or
the
legislature.
F
And
so
we
have
a
hefty
lift
here
in
terms
of
all
the
projects
that
we
have
on
this
list
of
needs.
And
so
how
did
you
decide
which
ones
to
fill
the
gap?
Because
I
think
all
of
them
really
have
a
gap?
Don't
or
I
guess
what
would
help
me
is
to
kind
of
understand
the
thinking
about
out
of
all
these
projects,
which
ones
rose
to
the
top
for
impact
fee
gap
funding
and
which
ones
are
still
on
the
list.
But
we,
you
have
other
possibilities
in
mind.
O
That
that's
a
great
question
too,
on
any
project
that
needs
gap.
Funding
is
receiving
it
at
this
moment.
So
there
are
no
projects
that
are
like
need
money
to
move
forward
that
are
not
receiving
funding,
so
there
hasn't
been
a
prioritization
they've,
just
all
been
funded.
If
projects
are
not
funded
at
all,
then
we
are
not
pursuing
impact
fees
generally,
but
we
could
say
if
we
get
agua
freya,
for
instance,
on
the
master
plan,
and
then
it
could
be
adopted
into
this
table,
then
we
could
fund
our.
O
You
know
the
city
could
fund
us
the
start
of
that
project
and
then
we
could
seek
funding
further
and
and
that's
actually
a
decent
strategy
right
now,
because,
as
this
infrastructure
jobs
act,
money
comes
through
dot
and
more
funding
is
available,
say
they
come
to
us
and
they
say
well,
we
need
a
shovel
ready
and
we
don't
have
one.
We
could
fund
the
design
to
be
ready
for
a
shuffle
ready
invitation
for
funding.
So
all
projects
that
are
have
that
need
gap.
O
Funding
are
getting
it
right
now
and
we
could
initiate
new
projects
with
funding.
If
that
you
know
once
we
get
it
on
the
list
and
and
through
the
planning
process,.
P
Thank
you
also.
We
use
impact
fees
for
covering
the
local
match,
all
fundings
need
local
match
and
the
minimum
is
five
percent
up
to
25,
so
we
don't
have
so
we
use
impact
fees
to
to
pay
for
that.
P
So
all
those
all
those
projects
that
we
are
adding
need
some
need
to
cover
local
match.
So
so
they
are
included
in
the
table.
O
Thank
you
for
adding
that
and
I'll
just
add
to
what
ramella
is
pointing
towards.
It
would
be
maybe
helpful
for
the
committee
to
know
that
nmdot
funds
us
over
four
million
dollars
a
year
on
our
road
projects,
that's
where
we
get
most
of
the
funding
for
our
major
road
development,
so
the
impact
fees
gap
that
and
then
sometimes
governing
body
gaps
that
with
other
funding
as
necessary,
but
generally
dot
funds,
all
of
our
road
projects
and
ramella
and
the
mpo
work
together
to
you
know,
keep
that
relationship
and
those
grants
flowing.
F
There's
there
are
projects
on
this
list.
Major
road
improvements
2022-2027,
so
the
ones
on
this
list
are
aren't
funded.
That
aren't
highlighted
in
red
right
now.
Is
that
what
this
list
means.
O
The
fun
the
highlighting
in
red
are
the
additions
to
the
table.
So
these
that's
the
amendment
that
that
the
committee
is
amending
right
now
and
it's
not
indicated
which
ones
are
funded
and
which
ones
are
not.
I
think
if
we
could
provide
you
a
separate
list
of
funded
projects,
could
that
be
the
right
answer?
Morale.
F
Yeah,
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
just
because
when
I
look
at
this
list,
I'm
like
what
is
partially
funded,
what
coming
from
this
funds,
or
even
just
telling
us
what
are
potential
funding
sources.
So
we
know
that
you
know
the
bigger
picture,
because
there's
put
there's
bond
money
that
you
know.
Potentially
we
can
use
into
the
future,
and
so
it
helps
me
to
kind
of
look
at
this
in
a
holistic
way
versus
like
okay.
Well,
this
is
just
a
list.
F
O
Just
added
you
know,
I
would
like
to
say
that
you
know
this
is
a
this
is
making
these
projects
eligible
and
they
come
off
our
master
plan
and
our
icip
list
really
and-
and
they
are
the
sir,
I
would
say
the
top.
You
know
20
projects,
probably
that
should
come
to
mind
for
you
it.
You
know
adding
other
things
like
potential
funding.
That
would
be
like
an
outside
the
resolution
thing
but
happy
to.
I
think,
giving
you
some
visibility
into
what
is
funded
and
underway.
O
Ramella
has
a
pro
a
list
of
her
active
projects
that
we
can
share
with
you,
and
it
probably
does
list
where
the
funding
is
from
and
how
much
there
is
providing.
I
think
that
it
would
be
easy
to
say
that
all
the
rest
of
the
projects
on
the
list
are
likely
to
be
funded
by
dot,
grt
bond
or
possibly
go
bond.
Those
would
be
the
three
funding
sources
for
our
for
our
big
road
projects
generally
and
dot.
We
expect
they
had
a
lot
of
money
last
year.
O
They've
got
a
lot
of
money
this
year
they
just
got
their
infrastructure.
Jobs
act,
money
we're
not
quite
sure
what
the
steady
state
would
look
like
it's
at
least
four
million
dollars
a
year,
but
it
may
be
bigger
than
that.
So
we'll
be,
you
know,
we'll
be
expecting
more
dot
money
than
city
money
in
the
coming
near
future.
O
F
I
think
what's
hard
for
me
sometimes
is
like
these
conversations.
We
have
that
happen
at
the
development
stage
and
and
I'm
just
referencing
one
because
I
know
about
it,
because
it's
in
district
one,
but
there
may
be
others
that
I
don't
know
about
it,
and
it's
actually
might
be
before
your
time.
Even
you
know
before
romella
came
on,
and
these
are
like
developments
that
there
was
this
there.
Could
there
there
weren't
conditions,
but
there
were
discussions
about.
F
We
will
commit
to
helping
with
a
pedestrian
crossing
or
something
of
that
sort,
and
it
happens
at
the
development
approval
stage,
and
then
it
never
makes
it
onto
the
icip
and
that's
what
I'm
worried
about.
Is
that
and
the
you
know
the
example
that
we've
been
talking
about
offline
is
aguafria
and
knowing
that
all
these
developments
are
coming
up
right,
near
harrison,
road
and
and
between
siler,
and
I
mean
you,
could
I
yeah?
I
mean
we
know
this
section.
F
I
guess
what
I'm
worried
about
is
that
these
things
get
forgotten
and
how
can
we
make
sure
that
they
stay
on
in
a
priority
list
of
some
sort,
because
right
now,
I'm
not
seeing
that
particular
like
a
potential
roundabout
slash,
maybe
light
pedestrian
crossing.
We
don't
know
yet
what
that
would
be.
So
I
don't
know.
O
That's
what
worries
me
that's
a
great
point
and
this
particular
one
that
you're
bringing
up.
As
I
said
it
really
isn't
even
on
our
transportation
master
plan,
so
it
hasn't
been
adopted
by
the
governing
body
as
a
priority
project,
and
that's
so
that's
what
eric
and
I
are
working
on
getting.
You
know
that
process
to
you
and
I
he
sent
me
a
you
know,
and
so
that
is
what
needs
to
happen.
But
it's
a
great
point
about
you
know
we.
O
I
do
attend
some
of
the
planning
commission
meetings
and
keep
an
eye
on
that,
but
it
you
know,
definitely
tightening
the
link
between
development
and,
what's
said
at
those
development
plan,
reviews
in
our
transportation
planning
and
eric-
and
I
are
definitely
planning
on
getting
together
with
jason
as
a
new
land
use
director
and
really
you
know,
creating
that
linkage
and
discussing
more
and
more
we've
been
cooperating
a
lot
because
I'm
I'm
providing
the
contract
for
the
engineering
review.
That
you
know
is
how
so
we're
definitely
working
closely,
but
I
think
you're
right.
O
That's
a
really
good
place
to
tighten
the
coordination,
so
things
come
through
yeah.
F
I
agree,
I
think,
that's
important
for
all
of
us-
that's
happening
in
our
district's
development,
where
there's
this
conversation
about
the
developers
wanting
to
contribute
in
some
way
to
an
infrastructure
improvement,
and
then
it
just
gets
forgotten
and
then
there's
no
record
unless
you
watch
the
meeting
and
no
one's
going
to
watch
the
meeting.
Necessarily
so
I'm
I
mean
the
the
minutes,
people
won't
read
or
go
back
to
old
meetings
is
what
I'm
saying,
and
so
I
just
want
to.
F
I
just
want
to
flag
that,
because
I
just
feel
like
there's
certain
things
that
get
missed.
That
can
be
that
are
definitely
potential
and
applicable
for
impact
fees,
and
I
don't
want
them
to
get
missed,
especially
if
there's
a
potential
for
a
development
and
public
private
possibility
to
fund
something
so
that
we're
not
taking
on
the
cost
the
full
cost
of
of
whatever
that
infrastructure
need
is
so.
O
Yeah,
thank
you
so
much
for
that
counselor
and
I
think
you're
right.
We
can
definitely
do
better
about
capturing
it
one
one
instance
where
that
wasn't
missed
and
it
as
actually
happening
that
the
developer
is
got
an
impact
fee
credit
to
put
a
signal
at
bechner
on
bechner
road,
where
they're
doing
a
development
really
needed
signal,
they're
going
to
be
putting
it
in
there
and
so
that
one,
I'm
aware
of
that,
didn't
get
missed,
but
that
one
was
agreed
to
quite
some
time
ago.
O
F
What
I
like
to
hear,
I
think
I
think,
that's
all
the
questions
I
had.
F
O
Thank
you
for
the
question.
We
do
not
have
one
right
at
the
moment.
Of
course,
that
would
be
pending
with
the
audit
that's
being
completed
for
fiscal
year
21,
and
I
so
I
think
director
mccoy
said
that,
with
the
trial
balance
that
we're,
I
think,
is
going
to
be
produced
by
the
end
of
march
that
their
balances
for
the
impact
these
would
be
known.
O
But
we've
just
been
working
off
of
the
balance
that
we
had
from
an
audited
balance
of
a
year
ago
and
not
even
spending
the
revenue
from
past
year,
just
just
working
off
the
balance
that
we
knew
a
year
ago.
So
it's
a
safe
to
allocate
the
funds
that
we've
brought
forward
and
we
will
be
looking
forward
to
that
updated
audit
balance
so
because
the
parks
fee
act
fund
is
actually
expended
of
the
previous
balance
and
we
need
to
know
what's
available
to
do
further
work
in
parks,
great
yeah.
I
think
that.
F
You
can
only
do
your
job
if
you
have
that
numbers
amount,
so
we
actually
know
what
we
can
fund.
So
I'm
looking
forward
to
that
I'll
be
asking
about
that
in
finance
and-
and
hopefully,
we'll
actually
have
some
funds
after
this,
this
phase,
we'll
probably
have
funds
left
over.
O
Don't
you
think
yes,
absolutely
a
balance
is,
I
think
at
least
a
couple
million
in
roads
right
marmello
would
be
expecting,
maybe
more
than
that,
because
that's
what
we
saw
in
revenue
from
fiscal
year,
21
and
and
at
least
another
million
million
and
a
half
in
parks.
A
Thank
you
so
much
councilwoman
any
other
questions
or
comments
from
the
committee
and,
if
not,
what
are
the
wishes
of
the
committee.
B
Yes,
councillor
lee
garcia,
yes,
counselor
chavez,
yes,
chair,
cassette,
yes,
motion
pass
passes.
A
Hitting
against
my
door
right
now,
so
lots
of
fun
noises
that
brings
us
to.
A
We
have
no
discussion,
no
executive
session
item,
10
matters
from
staff.
Do
we
have
any
matters
today.
A
Thank
you
rich.
Any
matters
from
the
committee.
F
Director
brown,
I
really
really
really
would
like
to
know
what
our
next
steps
are
for.
Arpa
funds.
You
don't
have
to
tell
me
now,
but
I'm
just
wanting
to
know
how
that's
moving
forward.
What
are
we
thinking?
F
There
was
a
request
for
how
arpa
could
be
used
to
potentially
fill
the
gap
of
funding
that
we
could
not
fund
for
projects
that
requests
that
we
got
for
the
cdbg
and
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund.
So
I'm
just
letting
you
know
we're
curious.
The
committee
members
were
curious
about
that
and
I
couldn't
answer
the
question
about
like
where
we're
at
with
arpa.
So
hopefully
we'll
get
an
update
on
that
soon.
D
Madam
chair
council
bureau,
yes,
you
will,
I,
the
funding
has
been
put
into
the
finance
department's
hands,
so
they've
been
working
with
the
mayor
and
the
city
manager
and
myself
and
kira,
and
some
others
to
figure
out
how
it's
allocated,
but
there
will
be
an
update,
definitely
an
update.
I
thought
it
was
going
to
be
something
that
would
be
swooped
into
the
fy23
budgets,
but
I
think
it
will
be
sort
of
separated
out,
so
we
can
have
more
engagement
around
how
the
allocation
is
there
and
and
and
to
your
point.
D
I
think
there
will
be
sort
of
buckets
that
are
for
emergency
funding
like
connect,
supportive
housing,
etc.
I
don't
know
how
that
much
is
allocated,
but
that
to
your
point
I
think
that's
really
kind
of
becomes
first
priority.
A
Thank
you,
councilwoman.
Thank
you
rich
mattis
from
the
chair.
I
do
not
have
any,
and
our
next
meeting
will
be
on
wednesday
april
6
2022
at
7
55
mountain
time.
This
meeting
is
adjourned.
Thank
you
all
so
much
and
have
a
lovely
evening.