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Vietri,
yes,
councillor
O'meara
would
yes
motion
passes
all.
G
Yes,
madam
chair
council,
be
real,
so
the
this
is
an
updated
JPA
to
an
existing
JPA
that
the
city
center
is
currently
in
agreement
with
this
JPA
actually
was
going
through
the
committee
and
council
process.
If
I'm
not
mistaken
in
november,
was
being
carried
by
former
councillor
peter
ives
and
for
some
reason
it
disappeared.
G
I
was
not
able
to
get
any
clarification
on
so
what
happened
with
it,
so
it
was
brought
to
my
attention
because
I
am
now
the
liaison
for
the
city
on
the
regional
coalition
for
Lionel
communities
and
the
this
is
something
that
essentially
should
have
taken
place
months
ago.
So
we're
getting
it
back
in
front
of
the
council
for
Rio
crew
ville.
The
the
regional
coalition
is
not
being
reestablished
and
things
kind
of
being
reformed
there
and
in
essence,
there
has
been
change
of
leadership
within
the
coalition
within
the
last
couple
of
years.
G
I
know
that
there
has
been
some
challenges
in
the
past
with
the
coalition,
but
the
new
leadership
has
worked
tirelessly
to
get
the
coalition
back
into
good
graces
with
with
the
Department
of
Energy,
who
provides
a
majority
of
the
resources
for
the
coalition.
So
so,
in
a
nutshell,
that's
what
this
JPA
is:
it's
it
was
amended.
I,
think
and
I'd
have
to
get
the
exact
dates,
but
it
was
amended
last
year,
and
so
it
was
brought.
I
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
I'm
just
guessing
it
might
be
the
fiscal
agent
but
I'm,
not
quite
sure,
and
I
also
wanted
to
know
if
the
same
members
are
concurrently
on
this
body
or
if
some
have
dropped
off
and
the
other
piece
that
it
doesn't
entail
is
that
we
always
from
what
I've
understood.
I've
never
been
the
representative
on
this
coalition,
but
that
we
have
a
financial
obligation
to
be
part
of
the
coalition,
and
this
particular
Jeep
JPA
does
not
indicate
what
that
amount
is.
I
And
so,
if
there
is
a
financial
obligation,
we
need
the
amount
and
we
also
need
F
IR
and
where
that
funding
source
would
be
coming
from
all
those.
If
all
that
information
is
really
important
and
I
think
in
the
past,
some
of
us
on
the
council
have
been
skeptical
about
the
role
this
entity
and
what
the
coalition
actually
does
for
our
communities
in
the
region
and
how
specifically
the
city
benefits
being
part
of
the
coalition
in
the
past.
I
So
those
are
the
things
that
I
feel
like
are
important
to
understand
about
the
coalition
and
what
stake
we
have
in
participating
or
not
participating
and
from
the
past
discussions.
I
want
to
say
it
was
ten
thousand,
but
I
can't
remember
if
that
was
the
exact
amount.
So
all
of
those
pieces
I'd
like
to
know
in
the
next
committee
meeting
if
we
can
get
those
that
would
be
helpful
and
also,
if
there's
been
ever
reports
that
are
representative
on
the
on
this
coalition
has
ever
provided
for
councils
for
our
council.
I
G
And
I
definitely
can
work
on
getting
all
of
that
information.
Councillor
I
think
also.
What
might
help
is
to
have
the
executive
director
for
the
Coalition
participate
in
future
meetings,
given
that
I'm,
relatively
I
think
I'm,
the
newest
member
on
the
coalition,
so
I'm
still
learning
in
regards
to
historical
actions
and
the
current
actions
of
the
committee?
It
because
it
is,
it
is
changing,
it's
more
so
changing
towards
looking
at
clean
up
and
how
we
are
working
to
address
the
clean
up
and
that's
currently
needed
in
the
land
and
laboratories.
A
G
J
And
we
can
include
the
information
that
was
requested
by
counselor
morale
in
councilor
Riviera
in
the
memo
for
the
next
committees,
as
well
as
as
well
as
if
it
makes
it
take
council,
but
it
would
appear
in
the
JPA
on
page
5
of
7.
It
lists
the
Fiscal
agency,
an
agreement
by
the
New
Mexico
Department
of
Finance
and
Administration,
but
I
don't
see
anything
more
specific.
H
Councilor
Garcia,
you
can't
find
anything
immediately.
This
can't
wait
that.
H
If
we
can
get
some
clarification
on
that,
because
usually
nonprofits
go
through
a
government
entity
which
has
a
little
stricter
accountability
on
the
use
of
government
money
for
spending,
so
this
sounds
like
it's
a
little
bit
backwards
to
me.
So
we
can
just
clarify
that
here:
okay
and
that's
all
I,
add
manager,
okay,.
K
G
A
I
H
Madam
chair,
just
before
we
move
that
to
Kyle
are
there
any
time?
I
know
we're
already
behind
on
this,
but
are
there
any
additional
time
constraints
that
we
need
to
worry
about.
J
By
any
means,
but
we
are
trying
to
show
our
participation
in
the
coalition
if
we
do
want
to
have
a
state
at
the
table
to
continue
that
I
think
that
they've
been
working
with
us
so
far,
allowing
the
attendance
of
councilor,
Garcia
but
I
think
at
a
certain
point
that
that
would
end,
and
we
would
no
longer
be
a
member
and
be
able
to
participate
in
the
meeting
so
we're
trying
to
get
it
through,
but
with
reasonable
accommodations
and
we're
trying
to
get
you
guys.
Everything
that
you
need
to
make
an
educator.
A
E
A
That's
helpful:
okay,
starting
over,
we
are
moving
to
item
E,
which
is
consideration
of
an
ordinance
amending
section,
fourteen
11-4
of
the
land
development
code
to
adopt
civil
penalty
provisions,
a
civil,
fine
schedule
and
civil
citation
procedures
for
land
use
code
enforcement
actions
and
to
permit
the
land
use
director
to
order
a
one-year
waiting
period
for
application
for
short
term
rental
permit
by
a
person
who
has
violated
the
short
term,
rental,
ordinance
and
I.
Just
for
to
give
everybody
background,
there
were
two
bills
introduced
to
address
short
term
rental
issues
in
the
city.
A
One
has
been
held
back
for
further
work
after
the
public
comment
from
the
Planning
Commission,
and
this
one
is
moving
forward.
This
is
the
civil
penalty
structure
to
strengthen
our
enforcement
measures
and
I
think
we
have
both
salak
piya's
from
the
City
Attorney's
Office
and
Eli
Isakson
from
land
use
and
I
think
it
might
be
better
I.
That
was
a
quick,
thumbnail.
I
think
it
would
be
better
if
they
both
dive
into
this
with
a
little
bit
more
detail,
and
then
we
can
take
questions
from
the
committee.
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
as
noted
in
the
brief
introduction,
this
legislation
was
drafted
as
a
companion
bill
to
the
proposed
amendments
to
our
short-term
rental
ordinance,
but
the
bill
is
actually
much
broader.
It
applies
to
chapter
14
generally,
so
that's
the
entire
land
use
code,
so
we're
amending
the
existing
section
11
by
14
11.4,
which
is
all
land-use
code
enforcement
actions.
L
L
We've
added
a
standard
here
that
says
that
the
lens
director
can
revoke
or
withhold
permits
if
the
applicant
or
privity
has
violated
a
regulation
relating
to
the
granting
of
the
permit
or
in
the
judgment
of
the
land
use
director,
the
public
welfare
requires
that
the
permit
be
revoked
or
withheld
that
standard
is
kind
of
loosely
based
on
state
statute
that
deals
with
revocation
of
business
licenses
and
gives
the
governing
body
of
a
municipality
the
authority
to
revoke
a
business
license
and
sort
of
similar
circumstances.
So
that's
where
that
standard
is
loosely
based
on.
L
It
also
adds
a
one-year
waiting
period,
and
this
is
a
brand-new
subparagraph
of
the
land
structure
may
order
a
one-year
waiting
period
for
an
application
for
a
short
terminal
permit
by
a
person
who
has
operated
a
short
term
rental
unit,
in
violation
of
the
short-term
rental
ordinance
or
failed
to
pair
report.
Taxes
required
on
the
short-term
rental
unit,
and
so
this
again
is,
is
intended
to
dovetail
with
the
amendments
that
strengthen
the
requirements
to
make
sure
that
all
all
rentals
are
permitted
and
paying
taxes
for
the
main.
L
L
It
just
says
that
a
penalty
fee
may
be
assessed
for
construction
without
a
proper
permit,
in
accordance
with
a
Schedule
adopted
by
resolution
of
the
governing
body,
and
so
it's
limited
right
now
to
a
construction
permit
and
it
there
is,
to
my
knowledge,
no
resolution
of
the
governing
body
that
sets
a
penalty
fee
schedule
at
this
time.
So
it's
really
not
a
provision,
that's
been
abused
and
it's
currently
limited
to
construction
permits.
L
So
this
would
really
expand
the
civil
fine
option
to
any
violation
of
the
land
use
code
and
it
it
would
definitely
cover
rental,
the
short
term
rental
unit
without
a
permit
our
registration
or
a
failure
to
pay
taxes
on
those
units,
but
it
would
also
apply
to
most
other
violations
of
the
land
use
code
and
another
thing
here.
It
also
includes
a
provision
that
says
misrepresentation
of
fact
on
an
application
submitted
to
the
lady's
Department,
which
could
be
useful
in
a
lot
of
context,
but
in
terms
of
the
short-term
rental
implication
here.
L
Our
applications
right
now
require
folks
to
affirm
when
they
apply
for
a
permit
that
they're
violating
that
they're
operating
the
unit
in
compliance
with
the
law
and
that
they're
not
violating
any
restrictive
covenants
that
apply
on
their
property.
So
this
is
kind
of
a
companion
to
the
provision
that
says
you
know
you're
not
allowed
to
rent
a
short-term
rental
unit.
L
If
you
have
a
restrictive
covenant
that
precludes
it
a
private
covenant
and
this
provision
would
expressly
allow
fines
in
that
incidence,
in
addition
to
revocation
of
a
permit,
if
somebody
wants
to
do
that,
that's
one
of
the
concerns
of
the
short-term
rental
legislation
that
are
hopefully
going
to
be
addressed
on
a
slightly
separate
time
schedule.
So
this
basically
sets
up
a
civil
fines
schedule
for
violations
that
can
be
remedied
right
away.
Additional
days
of
violations
would
be
a
separate
violation
and
it
sets
up
kind
of
ratcheted
fines
schedules,
so
the
first
violation
would
be
$100.
L
The
second
violation
would
be
a
two
hundred
and
fifty
dollars,
and
subsequent
violations
would
be
five
hundred
dollars
and
that's
within
a
thirty
six
month
period.
So
that's
a
require
tracking
magallanes
Department
of
previous
violations
by
the
same
committee
or
owner
and,
let's
see
under
I,
believe
the
New
Mexico
Constitution
were
not
allowed
to
impose
a
fine
greater
than
five
hundred
dollars,
and
so
this
exists.
It's
based.
L
The
five
hundred
dollars
is
kind
of
upper
limit
for
one
violation
with
the
city
is
allowed
to
impose,
but
that's
for
third
and
subsequent
violations,
so
we've
got
our
process
for
delivering
a
civil
citation
to
the
violator.
It
explains
what
the
contents
of
this
double
citation
must
feed
provide
notice
and
the
notice
must
instruct
the
the
violator
that
they
have
15
days
to
to
pay
or
request
a
hearing.
It's
like
basically
an
appeal
hearing
before
a
hearing
officer.
L
Based
on
our
uniform
traffic
ordinance,
so
we've
got
a
whole
separate
document
outside
of
our
normal
Municipal
Code.
That
is
our
entire
traffic
ordinance
and
it
sets
up
for
parking
clients
a
process
for
requesting
to
have
your
parking
plan
kind
of
appeal
to
a
grand
officer.
You
must
submit
the
fine
for
the
appeal,
so
it's
very
loosely
based.
Actually
the
rest
of
that
process
is
decision
time.
L
What
we've
right
now
I
do
with
the
parking,
because
we're
really
doing
this
is
a
similar,
simple
penalty,
typed
enforcement
option
I
think
that's
basically
the
overview
I,
don't
that's
too
much
too
little
but
I'll
hand
over
to
Eli
for
any
additional
thoughts,
and
then
we
can
answer
questions
great.
Thank
you.
So
thank.
M
You
chair
Romero
worth
the
counselors
the
community
Estella
mentioned
you
know.
Enforcement
has
has
been
an
ongoing
challenge,
especially
with
STRs
for
almost
as
long
as
the
program
has
been.
An
impact.
I
mean
I.
Think
a
lot
of
that
has
to
do
with.
We
don't
have
good
tools
to
really
enforce
short
term
rentals
in
the
city.
Our
process
now
is
a
process.
That's
sort
of
was
designed
to
address
property
maintenance
issues,
whether
it
be
weeds,
junk
cars,
other
types
of
issues
and
the
nature
of
the
types
of
violations
we
get
with
short
term.
M
Rentals
just
doesn't
get
that
enforcement
mechanism
very
well.
To
my
knowledge,
we
have
not
taken
anyone
to
court
over
STRs,
which
is
our
real
sort
of
that's
our
only
real
teeth
in
our
current
in
our
current
system,
and
so
by
enabling
civil
penalties,
we
can
be
much
more
responsive
and
reactive
to
issues
that
we're
seeing
related
to
the
operation
of
short-term
rentals
in
the
city
of
Santa
Fe.
So
that's
my
motivation
for
adding
this.
L
A
Great
thank
you
for
that
director,
Isaac's
and
if
we
could
go
to
councillor
Rivera
I
believe
you
have
pulled
this
on
and
then
we'll
move
from
there
to
councillor
Garcia
and
then
to
the
other
committee
members.
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I.
Don't
know
if
this
is
for
Eli
or
for
Sally,
but
maybe
for
Eli,
since
you
wrote
the
cover
memo,
but
on
the
executive
summary
and
the
Planning
Commission
brought
this
up
as
well,
but
that
last
second
and
last
M
is
where
it
says.
Additionally,
the
ordinance
will
prospectively
limit
the
number
of
short-term
rental
permits
to
one
per
natural
person.
Can
you
explain
what
that
means.
M
So
and
I
think
Sally,
if
you
don't
mind,
I
think
be
great.
If
you
would
chime
in
but
I
managed
air
counsel,
Rivera
one
per
natural
person
is
a
provision
that
we've
added
to
limit
the
number
of
short-term
rental
permits
or
licenses
that
can
be
obtained
to
one
per
per
person,
and
so
we
are
trying
to
limit
the
proliferation
of
these
large,
short-term
rental
industries,
our
or
sort
of
speculation.
Around
the
short-term
rental
market,
I
mean
this
was
a
provisional,
yet
we
included
to
hopefully
limit
that
to
some
degree.
M
This
you
know,
there's
been
some
questions
as
to
whether
this
would
be
in
conflict
to
ownership
under
an
LLC
or
other
similar
entity
that
would
it
would
not
be
in
conflict
to
that.
Just
someone
who's,
a
registered
member
of
the
LLC
would
have
to
be
the
permit
holder
for
that
short-term
rental
unit
and
that
person
would
be
limited
to
one
short-term
rental,
permanent
registration
in
the
city.
If.
A
Like
to
keep
us
focused
on
this
bill
because
we
don't
have
the
other
bill
in
front
of
us
and
I
know,
that's
a
little
confusing,
because
you
have
memos
that
address
the
other
bill.
This
one.
Where
that
other
bill
you
know,
is
coming
down
the
pipe
at
a
future
date.
So
I'd
like
to
keep
our
questions
just
to
this
one
that
is
in
front
of
us
with
regard
to
civil
penalties,
as
selling
as
explained
for
violations
of
the
land
use
code
generally
and
then
the
specific
provisions
that
relate
to
short-term
rentals.
Thank.
M
You,
madam
chair
I,
think
there
was
another
memo.
A
sort
of
a
memo
cover
a
memo
during
play
serve
on
top
of
the
other
memo.
That's
that
described
sort
of
how
we
change
course
a
bit
and
and
separated
the
two
I'm,
not
sure
if
you
received
that
counsel
Rivera,
but
that
that
memo
kind
of
described
where
we
are
in
the
process
now
and
the
difference
between
the
two
bills.
I.
H
A
So
I
just
I
think
for
for
simplicity
and
not
to
confuse
folks.
What
we
have
in
front
of
us
tonight
is
only
the
bill
that
provides
for
several
civil
penalties.
We
will
see
the
other
bill
at
another
place
in
time
and
we'll
have
full
opportunity
to
go
through
the
provisions
of
that.
But
that
is
not
what
is
in
front
of
us
tonight.
Okay,.
H
M
Thank
you,
madam
chair
councillor.
Rivera,
we
are,
you
know
we
are
short
a
couple
positions
in
in
the
what
we
are
calling
code.
Compliance
we've
had
some
retirements
over
the
past
twelve
months
and
we've
had
some
vacant
positions
related
to
the
you
know
that
are
some.
M
Vacant
related
to
those
positions
and
retirements
I
can't
say
that
I
think
the
civil
penalties
option
will
allow
us
to
be
more
effective
with
our
enforcement
with
the
staff
that
we
do
have
there's
a
lot
less.
We
no
longer
have
to
build
a
case
so
to
speak
because
we
used
to
have
to
do,
but
now
we
can
sort
of
enforce
the
rules
on
the
spot
and
hopefully
get
compliance
on
these
issues
much
much
faster.
It
would
hopefully
involve
less
staff
time
to
implement.
H
M
M
Sorry
I,
might
it's
saying
my
internet
connection
is
unstable.
I'm
gonna
stop
my
video,
but
just
sorry
about
that.
Just
to
repeat
myself:
we
have
we
have
five
in
code.
Compliance
on
two
that
are
more
focused
on
short-term
rentals,
but
the
whole
whole
division
can
work
on
short-term
rental,
related
issues.
M
To
the
question
how's,
the
Rivera,
so
I
think
you
know
in
looking
at
past
reports,
or
you
know
some
of
the
past
enforcement
stuff
that
has
come
out
of
short-term
rentals.
I.
Think
that
connection
between
police
and
and
the
code,
compliance
staff
and
land
use
has
always
been
a
challenge
and
I
think
there's
an
opportunity
to
strengthen
that.
M
In
terms
of
this
specific
scenario,
I'm
not
exactly
sure
how
we
would
handle
that,
hopefully,
that
complaint
would
come
both
to
police
and
to
the
short-term
rental
office
or
the
short-term
rental
off
compliance
officer
and
follow
up
with
police
and
follow
up
with
any
necessary
action.
But
that
is
certainly
an
area
where
we
can
strengthen
the
connection
between
those
two
departments.
I.
L
Have
Sally
weigh
in
on
the
question?
Please
thank
you,
madam
chair
councillor,
Rivera,
it's
a
good
question.
I
think
the
thing
to
kind
of
keep
in
mind
about
the
land
use
enforcement
provisions
and
the
code
is
that
they
are
separated
in
addition
to
the
criminal
process.
So
we
can
still
file
a
criminal
side
for
criminal
action.
A
Municipal
Court
police
can
certainly
file
a
complaint
on
anything
that
rises
the
level
of
another
violation
of
the
criminal
lives.
I.
L
Think
in
a
situation
would
like
a
party
or
something
that
might
not
be
the
kind
of
thing
that
would
be
a
civil
fine
under
the
code
I,
but
but
it
leaves
discretion
for
that.
So
I
would
make
sure
that
that
might
be
something
that
would
be
more
of
a
potentially
a
police
matter,
potentially
a
criminal
matter.
L
I
see
his
he's
here
with
his
video
muted
as
well,
and
he's
the
one
in
the
City
Attorney's
Office
who's
primarily
focused
on
code
compliance
issues.
I
do
much
more
than
this
stuff
where
people
are
behaving
and
he
handles
the
ones
that
aren't,
but
we
coordinated
with
our
one
prosecutor,
Municipal
Court
as
well,
so
we
have
ones
criminal
prosecutor
in
Municipal,
Court
and
he's
a
member
of
our
City
Attorney's
Office
team,
and
so
through
that
mechanism
we
do
have
the
ability
within
our
office
to
kind
of
cross,
pollinate
and
communicate.
L
H
It
does
call
for
repeat
offenders,
I
guess
to
then
be
kind
of
put
on
the
spot
if,
within
a
six
month
period
they
receive
multiple
police
calls
or
fire
calls
issues
like
that.
So
how
does
that
get
communicated
between
land
use
and
police
so
that
police
doesn't
go
out
three
times
and
then
land
use
goes
out
once
and
they
land
use
just
figures.
It's
the
first
time
offense
Thank.
L
L
Then
we
would
for
sure,
have
a
second
violation
that
resulted
in
a
civil
penalties,
so
it
wouldn't
apply
to
violations
that
resulted
in
a
criminal
action
or
learning
from
the
police
or
other
types
of
enforcement
activities.
It
would
only
apply
to
a
second
violation:
that's
resulting
in
a
civil
defying.
H
M
Thank
you,
madam
chair
councillor,
Rivera
thanks
for
the
question.
So
we
have
a
contract
with
a
group
called
hosts
compliance
that
Sally
just
referenced.
They
are
the
ones
who
track
our
registered
list
against
suspected
operators
in
the
city
and
give
us
a
list.
Every
two
weeks,
I
believe
an
updated
list,
every
two
weeks
of
possible
folks
operating
without
the
proper
registrations
and
licenses
here
in
the
city.
So
that's
who
is
doing
that
and
and
they're
actually
much
better
than
our
previous
vendor
harm
re
there.
These
guys
are
working
much
better
in
there.
L
M
M
L
Violation
but
usually
would
be
a
person
who
rents
in
violation
of
the
ordinance,
so
they
wouldn't
be
a
permit
holder
if
they're
Indian
without
a
permit.
So
in
that
case
it
would
be
the
owner
operator,
who's,
who's,
advertising
and
listing
and
renting
it
out
if
it
was
failure
to
pay
taxes
by
a
permitted,
short-term
rental
unit.
The
requirement
to
pay
those
taxes
runs
with
the
permit
holder,
so
that
person
would
be
the
person
on
the
hook.
L
H
Okay
and
then
exists
them
to
your
office
Eli
or
is
it
I
know
at
one
point
it
was
under
Randy
at
the
convention
center.
So
is
it
as
working
with
this
company
the
contract
is
that
gun
over
to
you,
the
contract
with
whose
compliance
is
held
or
is
managed
by
LAN
Jie
I'm,
sorry
managed
by
land
use
punches.
Okay,
okay,
thank
you!
That's
all
I
have
for
now,
madam
chair.
Thank
you.
A
Before
I
go
to
Council
Garcia,
the
other
thing
you
should
know
is
to
the
extent
that
the
short-term
rental
property
begins
to
create
a
nuisance
for
the
neighborhood.
That's
under
the
next
bill
that
we're
gonna
be
talking
about.
So
these
new
tools,
both
with
regard
to
nuisance
and
and
then
the
violations
of
the
land
use
code,
I
think
will
do
a
lot
to
bring
the
city
up
in
its
ability
to
enforce
the
rules.
So
councillor
Garcia,
you
had
journey
end
up
next.
You
know
you
pulled
this
item.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
you
know,
I,
think
it's
fantastic
we're
really
looking
at
enforcement
now
I
think
that's
one
big
thing
that
the
community
has
been
really
really
really
pushing
the
city
to
to
get
the
ball
on.
Is
enforcement?
I
think
that
that
probably
has
been
one
of
the
biggest
concerns
of
community
members?
Is
we
have
the
rules
but
we're
not
enforcing
them,
and
now
that
we're
developing
these
tools,
hopefully
we
can
enforce
the
rules.
M
Thank
you,
madam
chair
councillor,
Garcia
I,
you
know
we
are
still
there's
some,
some
tracking
that
we're
doing
in
inter
gov,
making
sure
that
every
permit
is
is
status
correctly,
but
I.
Think
right
now,
roughly
we
have
about
825
permitted
residential
short-term
rental
units
in
the
city.
Our
cap
by
resolution
is
a
so
we're
working
with
and
we're
from
I
would
say:
175
150
remaining
available.
M
G
Because
last
I
mean
I
think
the
last
stance
I
last
saw
there
was,
you
know,
roughly
1400
in
operation
in
Santa
Fe.
So
that's
still,
you
know
500
plus
out
of
compliance,
so
I
I
like
that.
There's
a
cap
at
a
thousand.
But
my
question
is:
are
we
going
to
offer
a
grace
period
for
these
folks
because
I
do
see
a
rush
for
folks
to
to
become
in
compliance
now
that
there's
going
to
be
some
more
teeth
or
enforcement?
M
Council,
madam
chair
councillors,
you
an
amnesty
period
or
a
grace
period
has
not
been
discussed.
What
we
have
discussed
is
a
waiting
list
for
those
who
apply
after
the
1000
is
reached
and
that
weighing
list
will
be
organized
by
those
on
a
first-come,
first-served
basis.
Every
year
we
have
this
year.
I
think
was
a
somewhat
unique
because
of
the
kovat
situation,
but
you
know
every
year
we
have.
M
G
So
my
question
was
more
so
around
grace
period,
because
I
definitely
would
like
to
see
some
type
of
grace
period
for
those
folks
that
are
operating
out
of
compliance
to
be
able
to
get
in
compliance,
whether
it
be
60
days,
I
think
I
would
use
your
expertise
and
in
regards
to
how
long
it
takes
to
go
through
the
process,
because
I
think
you
know
once
folks
realize
we
are
going
to
start
enforcement
and
hold
those
out
of
compliance
accountable.
We
want
to
give
folks
an
opportunity
to
be
in
compliance.
G
M
Madam
chair
counselors,
yeah
I
think
a
new
application
can
reasonably
be
either
approved
or
denied
within
30
days
of
receiving
the
application.
We
are
now
taking
applications
online,
which
is
speeding
up
and
we
are
also
taking
payment
online.
So
that's
speeding
up
the
process,
so
30
days
is
probably
actually
longer
than
it
would
take,
but
would
be
sort
of
the
outside
range
on
on
reviewing
and
approving
an
application.
I
think
counselor,
Romero
warts
earlier
point
we
may
be
veering.
M
Some
of
these
questions
may
be
veering
out
of
the
realm
of
the
civil
penalties
bill
into
the
other
bill.
That
will
be
considered
at
a
later
date
that
the
other
bill,
though,
is
not
before
us
tonight,
is
a
bill
that
contemplates
the
cap
and
how
we
manage
that
cab.
Moving
forward
and
I
think
your
questions
tonight,
councillor
Garcia
are
more,
you
know
or
maybe
more
relevant
to
you
know,
establishing
the
cap
and
and
how
we
manage
that
captain,
the
civil
penalties
bill,
that's
I.
G
Respectfully,
disagree
mr.
Isaacson
I
think
more
so
what
I'm
looking
at
is
having
this
proposed
bill
not
take
effect
for
35
45
days.
That
way
gives
folks
an
amnesty
period
to
get
registered
I'm,
not
looking
at
changing
the
cab.
What
I'm
looking
at
is
giving
folks
an
opportunity
to
get
in
compliance,
so
I'm
not
referring
to
the
piece
of
legislation,
so
I
would
definitely
like
for
us
to
look
at
setting
up
a
time
frame
when
this
shall
take
effect
so
to
speak.
I.
M
Apologies,
counselor,
garcia.
I
misunderstood
your
question.
I
think
we
can
definitely
look
at
a
effective
date
for
this
provision.
Should
it
should
it
move
forward
and
if
people
in
the
community,
some
awareness
of
the
changing
changing
rules
and
changes
to
our
enforcement
such
that
they
may
be
able
to
have
ample
time
to
come
into
compliance
right.
G
Anybody
that
is
currently
operating
short-term
rental
without
a
permit
that
way.
It
allows
those
folks
to
understand
that
we
are
giving
you
an
opportunity.
This
is
their
warning
period,
so
to
speak,
to
get
their
permit
and
get
their
house
in
order,
because
if
it's
not-
and
we
find
you
out
of
compliance,
that's
when
you're
gonna
start
facing
the
penalties
and
see
the
fines
impacting
you,
and
so
whether
it's
you
had
a
current
permit,
because
if
your
current
permits
is,
it
expires,
you're
still
out
appliance
so
to
speak
and.
L
G
I
I
Can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
because
we
extended
pretty
in
a
pretty
big
way.
So,
in
my
opinion,
it's
more
like
the
people
that
haven't
done
anything
to
actually
admit
that
they
have
a
short-term
rental
versus
the
one
that
the
individuals
that
have
been
permitted
that
need
to
update
theirs.
And
can
you
explain
what
was
done
recently.
M
Thank
you,
madam
chair
councillor,
via
reality,
so
the
process
that
the
process
we
we
start
taking
renewals
we'll
take
out,
but
we
take
applications
all
year
round.
Throughout
the
year
the
renewals
start
January
1
the
permits
run
for
the
calendar
year.
We
start
taking
renewals
January
1.
The
renewal
period
without
penalty
extends
to
March
15th,
after
which
you
have
a
one
month,
grace
period
to
renew
your
license
with
a
$100
fine
associated
with
it
this
year.
Because
of
everything
that's
going
on
with
covin
and
the
pandemic.
M
M
Ayman
would
be
required
to
to
apply
for
a
new
permit,
and
that
was
the
the
process
that
I
alluded
to
earlier
as
to
how
new
new
places
within
that
1,000
cap
would
become
available
to
those
on
the
waiting
list.
Those
who
fail
to
renew
within
the
required
time
their
perm
has
become
expired
and
those
slots
would
then
open
up
to
those
of
it.
Those
on
the
waiting
list
so
to
your
point,
kind
of
surreal,
virial
I,
do
think
we
have
given
people
notice.
We
sent
out
multiple
letters,
informing
people
of
the
original
April
15th
deadline.
M
G
Once
again.
We
have
to
have
folks
be
re,
informed
that
look.
This
is
the
new
law
that
we're
having,
because
we
notified
you
in
the
past
under
the
past
rules.
These
are
the
new
rules.
This
is
your
last
jail
free
card,
so
to
speak,
because
I
think
you
will
see
those
numbers
jump
once
once
folks
realize
that
they're
going
to
be
in
compliant
there
and
get
fines
for
being
out
of
compliance.
M
To
your
point,
counselor
Garcia,
thank
you.
You
know,
as
these
proposed
amendments
have
been
advertised
for
public
processing
and
public
comment,
we
have
seen
a
rise
in
the
number
of
people
applying
for
new
permits,
so
I
think
that
in
many
ways
the
before
warning
that
you're,
referring
to
as
it
has
taken
place
in
and
we're
starting
to
see
more
and
more
people
interested
in
coming
into
compliance
with
our
rules,
which
I
think
is
what
we
don't
like
to
see.
G
Right-
and
I
think
that
once
we,
you
know,
get
further
down
the
path
with
this,
and
should
it
pass,
the
broader
public
is
going
to
be
aware
as
well.
You
know
the
folks
that
are
really
keeping
a
close
eye
on
this.
Are
the
folks
that
operate
in
this
this
realm
of
business,
some
folks,
they
might
have
them
I
said
well,
they
haven't
enforced
it
in
the
past
I.
Don't
care
we'll
see
what
happens,
but
then
once
should
this
pass
I
think
you
will
see
still
that
spike
continued
to
move
up.
G
M
Thank
you,
madam
chair
councillors.
Here,
so
we
don't
have
a
way
of
finding
anyone
right
now
and
I.
Think
that
that's
the
challenge.
So
we
can
issue
a
Notice
of
Violation
if,
if
they
continue
to
operate,
and
we
continue
to
give
them
notice
as
a
violation,
they
eventually
can
be
cited
into
municipal
court,
where
the
judge
can
issue
find
Sally
I
think
you
may
have
some.
G
L
Thank
You
Jeremy
or
its
counselor
grace
yet
I'm,
not
sure
that
there's
a
mechanism
currently
in
our
lives
for
us
to
impose
a
simplifying
for
operating
a
business
without
a
license.
We
have
criminal,
there
are
criminal
remedies
and
I
would
have
to
review.
I
mean
the
the
general
jurisdiction
of
our
Municipal.
Court
is
up
to
$500
for
a
criminal
fine,
and
that's
usually
the
tool
that
we've
got
right
now
so
they're
violating
the
law.
It
could
be
up
to
$500
and
a.
L
G
L
Thank
You
Tara,
Mary,
councilor,
Garcia
and
members
of
the
committee,
the
the
issue
I
think
with
our
current
roles
primarily,
is
that
in
order
to
go
to
Municipal
Court,
there
are
a
dade
procedural
safeguards
to
which
the
defendant
is
entitled.
So
we
would
have
to
go
through
a
process
of
work
carefully,
collecting
a
higher
amount
of
evidence
in
order
to
prove,
beyond
a
reasonable
doubt,
a
violation,
and
it's
it's
very
cumbersome
to
go
through
the
whole
court
process.
L
It
becomes
kind
of
out
of
the
hands
of
the
land
use
department,
it
becomes
something
that
has
to
go
through.
The
prosecutor
has
to
go
through
the
judge.
It
requires
criminal
hearings
and
we
can
certainly
do
that,
but
it's
a
very
cumbersome
and
resource
intensive
process,
and
so
it's
something
that
I
don't
think.
We've
really
had
or
dedicated
the
necessary
resources
to
be
able
to
do
that
effectively
and
I
think,
in
terms
of
our
land
use
code
enforcement
officers.
L
In
the
past,
they
haven't
necessarily
had
adequate
procedures
in
place
for
really
gathering
the
kind
of
evidence
that
would
be
necessary.
So
you
would
need
witnesses,
a
neighbor
who
saw
something
and
is
that
good
enough?
Is
it
proof
beyond
a
reasonable
doubt?
What
other
evidence
do
we
have
and
do
we
have
the
prosecutor
to
take
it
through
the
system?
So
it's
it's
certainly
an
option
and
it
will
remain.
L
G
With
follow
up
to
that
is
given
there,
there
is
that
this
fine
structure
and
the
determination
to
find
somebody's
got
to
have
evidence
what
did
that
be
the
same
evidence
for
a
criminal
statute.
So
if
we
use
the
web
scraping
service,
for
example,
that
would
be
evidence
there
in
itself
or
any
other
evidence
that
would
be
used
to
give
the
criminal
penalty
criminal
I
mean
the
civil,
fine,
so
I'm
just
confused.
Why
would
evidence
be
good
enough
for
a
civil,
fine
versus
a
criminal
fine
to
me,
they're
one
in
the
same?
G
L
You
for
that
follow-up
question
that
I
guess
the
difference
is
really
this
standard
of
proof,
which
means
in
Criminal
Court.
It
has
to
be
beyond
a
reasonable
doubt,
which
is
like
we're
alike.
There
is
nobody
else
that
could
have
done
this
and
we're
we
have
really
good
I
mean
it's
got
to
be
a
very
strong
case
when
we're
in
the
civil
realm.
The
standard
of
proof
is
the
preponderance
of
evidence,
which
is
a
funny
way
of
saying,
like
more
likely
than
not
we're
pretty
sure
that
you
did
violate
it
more
likely
than
not.
L
We
can
demonstrate
so
it's
like
51%
instead
of
I,
don't
know
what
the
percent
has
proved
beyond
a
reasonable
doubt,
but
it's
much
closer
to
100%.
So
it's
it's
not
so
much
that
it's
the
strength
of
evidence
and
who
we
have
to
show
it
to
do.
We
have
to
show
it
to
a
judge,
or
can
we
do
it
in-house?
And
what
is
the
level
of
process
that
we
have
to
go
through
to
get
to
that
point?
So
it
is
hopefully
the
same
evidence.
L
We
are
getting
a
lot
better
information
out
through
those
combined
so,
regardless
of
which
tools
were
pursuing
it's
a
much
better
form
of
evidence
of
a
great
source
of
information
that
we
didn't
have
before.
So
that's
that
will
definitely
help,
regardless
of
which
standard
we're
trying
to
meet
and
which
type
of
fine
we
might
try
to
impose.
G
G
L
Thank
You
councillor
Casey,
that's
a
good
follow-up
question.
It's
something
that
we
haven't
really
looked
at.
We
did
draft
this
legislation
before
the
financial
crisis
before
the
kovat
pandemic.
I
know.
That
is
something
that
this
attorney
has
been
looking
into,
whether
we
might
do
more
of
my
Korean
officer
pool
or
how
we
might
do
that,
because
we
do
have
a
lot
of
other
situations
where
we
do
have
hearing
officers
and
they
would
have
to
be
on
contract.
L
I
will
have
to
ask
Mike
on
the
next
agenda
item
about
what
what
finally
made
it
into
that
draft
in
terms
of
whether
they're
securing
an
officer
or
process
there,
but
we
do
use
them
for
liquor
license
hearings.
We
do
use
them
for
cannabis
violations.
We
have
a
process
for
that.
We
use
them
for
parking
violations.
L
We
use
them,
and
our
code
absolutely
includes
a
few
other
areas
where
folks
can
appeal
to
a
hearing
officer,
plastic
bag,
ordinance,
alarm
violations,
I
did
a
search
and
we've
got
kind
of
a
variety
of
things,
and
so
you
know
that's
something
that
we
could
look
at
I,
separate
training
officer,
ordinance,
that's
a
much
more
structured
office
of
hearing
officers,
I
feel
as
a
smaller
municipality
I.
Think
our
original
sort
of
suggestion
was
that
we
would
do
it
on
a
more
ad
hoc
basis
and
contract
out.
L
So
I
think
it
would
really
depend
you
know
by
by
providing
or
right
to
appeal
to
a
hearing
officer.
Obviously
we
need
to
provide
a
hearing
officer
and
if
we
get
to
the
point
where
we
don't
have
sufficient
contracts
and
we're
not
paying
those
folks
and
and
then
we
might
not
be
able
to
to
hold
those
contracts,
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
issue
the
civil
fines,
I
mean
so
I'm,
not
sure
exactly
what
that
looks
like
under
our
current
budget
and
our
current
finances.
L
I
think
it's
worth
noting
that
in
the
draft
for
this
chapter,
fourteen
civil
penalties
bill
it
does
say
that
this
money-
if
for
these
fines,
would
be
retained
for
enforcement.
So
hopefully
that's
a
source
of
revenue.
To
the
extent
that
we
do
need
to
impose
civil
fines
and
collect
fines,
then
we
can
use
those
fines
to
contract
these
hearing
officers,
since
it's
all
part
of
that
enforcement
process.
G
No
and
I
and
I
appreciate
that
I
think
you
hit
the
nail
on
the
head
in
the
sense
it
would
pay
for
itself,
but
but
we
still
need
to
have
this
so
to
speak,
start
funds
to
hire
these
initial
hearing
officers
and
I'd
like
to
know
where
we
anticipate
having
these
officers
come
from
when
we're
on
a
hiring
freeze,
because
I
think
having
a
hearing
officer
here.
These
instead
of
a
judge,
is
you
know
better
I
agree
with
that.
A
you
know,
that's
that's
kind
of
why
I
wanted.
G
G
G
L
K
L
L
In
terms
of
enforcement
on
the
enforcement
topic,
it
has
been
a
very
difficult
area
to
enforce,
because
that's
really
one
of
the
things
that
in
the
past
we
haven't
had
very
good
information.
It's
it's
more
along
line,
so
for
you
and
everyone
call
and
say
well:
I
saw
a
Texas
truck
there
on
Monday
and
I
saw
an
Arizona
truck
there
on
Friday,
and
you
guys
need
to
come
out
and
do
something
about
this,
and
that
kind
of
information
is
usually
not
enough
to
prove
a
criminal
case.
L
K
I
L
G
Thank
you,
mr.
powers,
I'm,
sorry,
madam
chair,
for
or
not
keeping
to
this
bill
I,
just
it
popped
up
and
I.
Just
wanted
quick
clarification.
Last
thing
is
in
the
end
of
fine
VI
structure.
I
see
the
three
different
levels:
$100
to
5500:
I,
guess
it.
Why
was
the
decision
made
to
not
potentially
will
not
allow
this
person
to
even
get
a
permit
after
so
many
fine
is
being
implemented
to
them,
because
I
think
you
know,
living
by
the
three-strikes-you're-out
rule
should
apply
here.
You
know
to
fines,
you
got
it!
G
M
Councilor
Garcia
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
is
in
there
is
the
really
clarifying
the
land-use
directors
ability
to
revoke
permits
and
I
think
that
that
would
be
sort
of
in
fall
in
line
with
your
your
idea
of
three-strikes-you're-out
right
we're.
After
if
you've
received
the
five
hundred
dollar
penalty,
you've
been
a
sort
of
a
habitual,
you
know,
offender
of
the
rules.
The
land-use
director
would
then
have
the
ability
to
revoke
your
permit
and
then,
as
we
talked
about
earlier,
if
we're
at
a
situation
where
the
1,000
permit
limit
is
reached.
G
And
I
understand
that
you
know
there
is
that
option.
You
know
at
the
discretion
of
the
land
use
director,
but
I
think
it
should
be
part
of
the
penalty
structure
that
you
incur
so
many
penalties.
Then
you
do
not
have
the
a
you
are
giving
up
your
right
to
operate
this
business
and
I.
Think
that
should
be
part
of
the
structure
as
well.
G
Or
else
we're
just
gonna
have
folks
just
keep
getting
fines
and
fines
and
fines,
and
they
don't
care
and
in
the
business
where
a
rental
can
be
upwards
of
a
thousand
dollars
a
night,
they're
gonna
say
I.
Don't
really
care
find
me
because
I'm
still
making
money
and
so
I
think
we
need
to
hold
people
accountable
and
if
they
are
out
of
compliance
at
a
certain
point,
we
not
allowed
them
to
operate
these
businesses
I.
Think
that's
on
Abbot
the
moment,
madam
chair.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
I
would
just
note
a
couple
of
things.
A
One
of
the
reasons
why
we
are
bringing
forth
this
bill
to
provide
another
tool
and
one
of
the
reasons
there's
a
companion
bill
coming-
is
the
problems
that
we've
seen
in
the
residential
areas
where
people
don't
have
neighborhoods
anymore.
They
have
short-term
rentals
with
people
coming
and
going
so
so
these
are
some
of
the
things
that
were
trying
to
address
I'm.
G
Sure
I've
heard
that
argument.
You
know
the
more
people
renting
more
traffic,
but
I.
Don't
I.
Don't
necessarily
agree
with
that,
because,
let's,
let's,
for
example,
use
myself
I
go
to
the
grocery
store
every
day,
okay
in
and
out
in
and
out
in
and
out,
whereas
if
it
was
a
visitor,
renting,
a
short-term
rental
and
they're
going
in
and
out
in
and
out
every
day,
it's
the
same
amount
of
traffic.
A
Okay,
Thank
You
counselor
Garcia,
the
only
other
thing
I
throw
out
there
is.
You
know
the
folks
that
haven't
been
in
compliance
for,
however
long
they
haven't
been
in
compliance.
We
are
losing
revenue
because
they're
not
playing
by
the
rules
and
I,
don't
know
that
we
need
to
you
know,
be
giving
them
extra
time
to
come
into
compliance
when
we've
been
losing
revenue
from
them.
For
as
long
as
we
have
and
to
the
point
that
was
made
earlier,
I
think
we,
you
know
the
the
fact
that
this
bill
is
moving
through
the
process.
A
A
H
L
A
And
and
they
both
have
long,
these
are
both
long-term
problems.
That
I
think
we
are
I'm
excited
that
we
are
getting
something
moving
to
deal
with
them
so
anyway,
a
motion
would
be
wonderful,
I'd
like
to
move
to
approve.
Second,
all
right,
we
have
a
motion
by
councillor
VRE
L.
We
have
a
second
bike,
councillor
Cassatt
Sanchez.
If
there's
no
more
conversation,
I
would
like
to
go
to
a
roll
call.
We
have
a
lot
in
front
of
us
still
this
evening.
A
E
Sorry
Audrey,
yes
sánchez,
yes,
counselor
Garcia,
yes,.
G
G
A
You
good
everybody
all
right,
thanks,
Alec,
all
right
with
that,
we
will
move
to
our
next
fits
our
II
I've
gotta
go
back
to
my,
which
is
item
F,
and
it's
an
ordinance
amending
section
10-9,
and
this
relates
to.
We
call
this
fondly
that
the
nuisance
middle
and
I'm,
getting
an
echo
here,
sorry
and
I
I
think
I
will
let
Jennifer
are
you
gonna?
Are
you
gonna
talk
about
this
or
Mike
who's
going
to
lead
here.
D
I'm
happy
to
do.
Okay,
sorry,
there
is
an
echo
I'm
happy
to
do
the
introduction
and
then
take
any
questions.
We
did
include
a
policy
brief
that
you
know
was
attempting
to
kind
of
justify
a
lot
of
the
changes
but
I
think
overall,
the
old
nuisance
pillow
was
really
vague.
It
was
very
unenforceable,
it
required
a
lot
for
the
city
and
it
ended
up
having
to
go
to
court,
and
that
was
very
difficult
and
so,
similarly
to
the
to
the
chapter
14
civil
penalties.
D
We
are
adding
a
civil
penalty,
but
the
main
thing
is
really
providing
a
very
clear
process
to
abate
nuisances
before
they
become
very
chronic
and
before
they
become
issues.
We've
had
some
properties
that
are
20-year
nuisance
issues
and
so
being
able
to
take
a
proactive
step
on
properties
that
might
be
leading
in
that
direction
and
then
having
a
very
clear
process
and
expectation
outlined
from
the
city
for
for
neighbors,
for
the
property
owners
themselves
and
for
the
city
to
follow
so
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions.
Mike
is
here
on
the
legal
side
as
well.
D
A
You
said
you
know:
we've
had
a
lot
of
problem
with
blighted
properties
and
derelict
houses.
I
think
is
another
way,
and
this
this
nuisance
bill
would
also
help
us
have
another
tool
with
regard
to
to
those
kinds
of
properties
and
Mike.
I,
don't
know,
okay,
if
you
want
a
opportunity
to
say
a
few
words
or
if
you're
just
available
for
for
questions.
That's
fine
too,
however,
you'd
like
to
proceed.
A
F
Yeah
just
like
Jennifer
said
this.
The
the
nuisance
abatement
ordinance
we
have
on
the
books
now
is
pretty
vague
and
I.
Think
as
all
the
councillors
are
probably
familiar.
We
have
had
this
like.
It
hasn't
been
a
priority
for
the
city
to
really
enforce
the
the
abatement
ordinance
that
much
and
there's
been
some
long-standing
cases
and
this
these
changes.
These
amendments
will
really
set
forth,
I
think
more
much
more
clear
procedure
that
benefits
everybody,
the
public
and
the
city
staff,
so
that
we
know
what
needs
to
be
done,
and
hopefully
this
will
avoid.
N
K
K
That
sounds
better
to
me.
Is
that
sound
better
to
everybody
else?
Okay,
wonderful!
So
I
was
able
to
speak
with
Jennifer
a
little
bit.
I
have
a
I
have
a
partner
right
now,
I
was
able
to
speak
with
Jennifer
a
little
bit
about
some
of
the
assignments
of
who's
going
to
be
taking
this
on.
So
in
the
bill,
it
says
that
there
will
be
an
assignment
of
a
city
representative
to
determine
the
presence
of
a
nuisance
as
well
as
approve
the
payment
plan.
D
So
I
know
mike
and
christine
meet
with
pd
and
with
land
use
every
single
week
and
with
our
constituent
services
specialists
every
single
week
to
discuss
these
and
that
will
be
carried
through
and
be
maintained
by
constituent
services.
We
discussed
having
it
put
into
legal
to
kind
of
give
it
a
weight
to
it,
but
that
there
become
some
issues.
If
this
does
end
up
going
to
court,
it's
difficult
to
defend
if
you've
been
involved
too
much
in
that
process.
K
D
Sure,
chair
councilor
right
now,
this
is
kind
of
a
more
manual
process.
It
is
mostly
done
in
those
those
weekly
meetings.
Where
were
these
departments
that
are
involved
in
nuisance
properties,
kind
of
cross-check
their
properties
with
each
other?
That's
going
to
continue
for
a
little
while,
but
as
the
city
is
adopting
some
more
tech
solution,
some
more
data
platforms.
We
are
looking
to
figure
out
a
way
to
get
the
three
data
sources
that
would
trigger
a
nuisance,
which
would
be
our
constituent
calls.
Our
code
enforcement
violations
and
police
and
fire
calls.
D
So
our
Public
Safety
responses
into
one
kind
of
consolidated
notification
system,
I
think
there's
ways
to
do
this
with
existing
platforms
with
our
ESRI
system,
but
we
are
working
to
get
that
data
kind
of
in
one
place.
A
lot
of
its
very
protected
is
very
sensitive,
and
so
we
have
to
be
really
careful
about
who
has
access
to
that
and
make
sure
it's
it's.
It
needs
to
be
a
you
know,
hidden
and
the
people
that
review
this
doesn't
need
to
know
everything
until
it
really
triggers
a
violation,
but
we
are
moving
in
that
direction.
K
Thank
you
very
much
and
I
believe
this
might
be
a
question
for
for
mr.
Prince.
So
I
was
talking
with
Jennifer
a
little
bit
today
about
those
instances
where
we
have
a
landlord
who
owns
a
property.
They
have
a
tenant
who
might
be
the
ones
causing
the
nuisance
and
I.
K
Think
I'm
more
just
just
thinking
through
this
process
and
I'd
love
to
hear
a
little
bit
of
your
perspective,
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
making
sure
that
those
tenant
protections
are
in
place,
but
also
you
know
if
there
are
situations
where
a
landlord
is
trying
to
address
a
nuisance
that
is
potentially
being
caused
by
a
tenant
I'm,
assuming
that
they
probably
have
other
legal
resources
that
are
at
their
disposal.
If
this
is
occurring
and
therefore
the
city
is
really
focusing
on
the
landlord.
Can
you
just
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that?
K
It's
I'm,
not
I,
don't
necessarily
have
a
concern
with
it.
It's
just
kind
of
flushing
out
what
this
picture
might
look
like
for
for
an
individual
who
rents
to
somebody
and
they
have
large
parties
constantly
and
we
decide
that
this
is
a
nuisance
and
then
they're
getting
fined,
but
they
also
have
a
lease.
How
does
how
do
we
address
particular
situations.
F
F
You
know
one
one
hopes
that
that
the
renter
or
the
property
owner
has
a
lease
with
what
the
you
know
written
lease
with
the
that
they
could
enforce.
That,
hopefully
says
you
know
if
you
cause
a
nuisance
or
are
you
breaking
the
law?
I
can
go
to
coordinate
and
evict
you
or
start
that
process,
and
that
would
be
actually
you
know,
because
some
of
the
problems
sometimes
is
there
are
some
just
landlords
out
there
who
don't
know
how
to
maybe
go
and
have
they
have
bad
leases
or
no
leases
at
all.
F
They
have
renters,
they
don't.
There
may
be
just
a
bit
some.
They
don't
understand
that
they
do
have
resources
that
they
could
use
to
to
get
rid
of
bad
renters
that
are
causing
problems,
but
I
think
with
this
nuisance,
bill
I
think
it
will
improve
even
that
type
of
situation,
because
we
couldn't
you
know
if
we
make
an
abatement
plan.
We
do
even
try
to
work
with
a
property
owner
a
little
bit
and
we
can
help
them
to
come
up
with
solutions
to
address
the
problem
such
as
you
know.
F
First
of
all,
screen
your
tenants
better,
maybe
put
things
you
know,
have
a
written
lease
that
says
you
can
evict
your
your
renter
if
they
cause
a
nuisance,
maybe
there's
physical
things,
build
a
fence
or
something
or
just
beyond
the
property.
More
don't
just
be
an
absolute
landlord
or
get
a
property
management
company
to
manage
the
property
or
even
I.
F
F
Maybe
even
more
absentee
landlords
here
then
elsewhere
I
could
say,
but
there
probably
have
quite
a
few
and
and
the
renter's
it's
hard
to
get
leverage
over
them.
Of
course,
if
they're
crimes
you
know
it
takes
a
whole
team,
it
takes
the
the
neighbors
to
call
in
it
takes
in
the
police
to
respond,
and
the
police
can
tell
the
renters
that
they're
causing
a
nuisance.
F
K
K
The
conversation
now
is
that
correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong,
that
sounds
like
it's
going
to
be
very
much
an
iterative
process
with
the
city
and
our
community
members
of
really
trying
to
work
with
them
to
look
at
some
plans.
We
do
have
some
teeth
behind
it
in
case
there's.
You
know
an
unwillingness
to
to
be
working
with
us,
but
I
really
do
appreciate.
K
K
K
L
K
Plan
so
I
think
that's
still
a
question
that
I
might
want
to
see
a
little
bit
more
information
of
at
the
end
of
the
day
where,
where
does
this
line
get
drawn,
although
I
do
appreciate
the
ability
for
the
flexibility
and
for
the
discussion
and
really
working
together
as
a
team
at
the
city
as
well
as
with
our
community
members?
So
thank
you
for
that.
I,
don't
believe.
I
have
any
further
questions
at
the
moment.
Okay,.
D
I'm
sorry
I
can
speak
to
that
a
little
bit
kind
of
where
the
line
gets
drawn.
It
is
built
into
the
process.
So
basically,
if
you,
if
you
go
through
the
baby,
so
if
you
get
your
triggered-
and
you
get
your
six
calls
in
six
months,
then
we
notify
you
have
an
investigation.
You
go
through
investigation
and
this
is
internal.
This
will
be
done
in
constituent
services.
D
Well,
look
at
the
nature
of
the
calls
for
Glee
the
calls
where
the
severity
of
the
issue
we'll
talk
to
some
neighbors
if
they
were
the
ones
who
complained
and
if
it
deemed
if
it
seemed
to
be
a
nuisance,
we'll
notify
you
that
you
need
to
spend
a
baby
plan
and
that
you
have
an
official
violation.
Then
we
go
through
this
abatement
process,
which
is
very
iterative.
D
It's
very
we're
working
very
closely
with
the
property
owners
to
identify
the
issues
and
identify
workable
solutions,
and
then
it
really
doesn't
even
we
kind
of
Institute
the
chief
at
this
point.
So
if
they've
gone
through
the
abatement
process
or
they
refuse
to
submit
an
abatement
plan
or
if
they
submit
an
abatement
plan,
that's
been
approved
and
they
don't
follow
it.
D
Do
we
place
a
lien
on
it,
there's
a
lot
of
other
things
that
the
court
can
decide
to
do,
but
at
this
point
we
have
this
whole
process
that
we
have
documentation
of
working
with
the
property
owner
and
attempting
to
really
rectify
the
situation
even
before
we
started
instituting
fines.
So
it
really
does
give
the
city
a
lot
more
legs
to
stand
on
when
we
do
end
up
at
court,
which
is
where
I
would
think
the
real.
D
If
it
gets
to
this
point,
which
we
don't
anticipate
a
lot
of
property
on
these
owners
wanting
to
go
all
the
way
to
court,
we're
hoping-
and
we
anticipate
that
the
abatement
process
will
be
enough
for
most
of
them,
but
if
it
ever
does
get
all
the
way
to
court.
We
would
have
a
very
strong
case
at
this
point.
D
F
Sure,
yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
counselor,
test
hunches
Jennifer
did
a
pretty
good
job.
Rach
I,
really
love
explaining
the
process
there
and
I
just
kind
of
lost
my
train
of
thought
yeah,
but
but
the
system,
so
the
the
Jennifer
app
so
I'll
have
to
say.
Jennifer
really
did
all
the
really
a
lot
of
the
work
on
this
amendment
to
them.
So
I
want
to
get
her,
give
her
that
credit
but
yeah.
F
So
the
process
that
has
been
or
will
be
in
place
will
just
have
so
much
better
due
process
for
the
property
owner
that
we
can
it'll
make
it
so
much
easier
to
go
on
the
court
and
say:
look
we've.
We
gave
this
person
the
notice
we
worked
with
them
or
you
know
whatever
the
case
may
be,
and
we
followed
our
procedures
and
and
yet
now
here
we
are
in
court
and
it'll
just
make
it
a
lot
easier,
I
believe
to
for
the
judges,
saying:
okay
yeah.
F
If
it
comes
down
to
going
to
court,
I
think
as
Jennifer
said,
I,
don't
anticipate
many
actually
going
that
far.
But
if
they
do,
yeah
will
be
much
better
situated
to
I.
Think
a
judge
would
just
look
at
it
and
say:
okay,
yeah,
oh
all
the
times,
a
new
sense
and
then
we'll
talk
about
that.
What
remedies
can
be
done
to
to
abate
the
nuisance.
K
I
Are
you
finished?
Okay
counsel
me
on
Rihanna.
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
just
wanted
to
note
that
this
particular
update
to
the
nuisance
ordinance
has
been
very
important
to
me,
especially
in
district
1.
Since
I've
been
on
council,
we've
had
two
major
situations
related
to
properties,
owners
that
weren't
really
stepping
up
to
take
care
of
issues,
whether
it
was
related
to
drug
deals
and
safety
issues,
and
so
I
am
supportive
of
this
and
I
think
this.
This
will
protect,
or
at
least
help
improve
the
safety
and
well-being
of
our
residents.
I
There
was
one
thing
that
I
think
in
the
past
we
were
struggling
with,
and
this
was
what
prompted
us
to
look
at
the
nuisance.
Ordinance
is
really
having
a
paper
trail
to
back
us
up
on
what
was
happening
at
a
particular
property,
and
there
was
one
in
particular
that
we
still
are
working
on.
That's
been
over
30
years
that
have
had
has
created
problems
for
the
neighborhood
and
so
I
think
it's
it's
good
to
be
able
to
have
some
way
to
attract
consistently
a
problematic
property.
I
One
thing
that
I
would
love
the
chief
chief
Padilla
I
think
is
on
the
call
with
us.
I
would
love
for
him
to
explain
a
little
bit
more
about
how
these
changes
will
support
the
police
and
specifically
about
how
you
all
would
proactively
be
able
to
be
trained
in
understanding
this.
This
particular
adjustment,
and
so
that
you
all
at
least
the
police
force,
would
know
what
is
considered
a
repeat
nuisance
and
also,
what's
the
difference
between
a
repeat
nuisance
and
someone
just
calling
for
an
emergency
for
emergency
assistance.
A
N
I
N
Absolutely
councilor,
councilman,
really
I,
think
that's
been.
The
key
to
all
of
this
is
really
how
we
start
to
communicate
in
the
proactive
steps
that
we've
taken.
I
know
the
police
department
just
switched
their
technology
to
one
solution,
so
we're
looking
at
different
triggers
within
that
new
technology.
That
will
allow
us
to
have
better
communication,
even
within
the
police
department,
but
we're
working
on
a
different
policy
with
OU
and
County
phidias
that
he
can
pop
on
also,
but
we're
also
working
closely
with
PD
on
a
policy
for
them
with
the
nuisance.
N
But
we're
really
excited
for
the
technology
they're
putting
in
and
the
new
collaboration
that
we've
had
and
we've
really
been
working
through
the
protocol
piece
of
this
legislation
for
several
months
between
constituent
services,
land
use
in
the
police
department.
We're
really
happy
with
the
proactive
measures
that
we've
been
able
to
take,
even
within
the
police
department
and
flying
properties.
Well
before
they
hit
30
years.
N
That's
that's
the
goal
and
we've
even
had
properties
I
think
that
probably
could
have
gone
on
to
be
nuisance
properties,
but
because
of
the
collaboration
and
the
flags,
and
then
the
involvement
from
the
attorney's
office
we've
been
able
to
notify
properties
almost
immediately
that
they've
had
issues
or
they've
had
tenants
that
have
had
issues
and
the
landlord's
have
been
able
to
address
that.
You
know
and
of
much
within
days
or
weeks.
So,
but
all
that
'chief
video,
pop-on,
also
cheese,
great.
O
But
what
we
primarily
deal
with
is
obviously
the
executions
of
a
search
warrant,
rather
its
narcotic
related
or
it's
related
to
some
type
of
prostitution,
home
or
a
homicide.
Property
resulted
in
a
bad,
lengthy
history
or
crime
of
the
individual
there.
That's
at
that
point
where
we're
going
to
do
it.
I
was
listening
earlier
when
you
guys
mentioned
and
spoke
about
a
someone.
O
O
Okay,
it's
five
people
having
a
party
or
it's
50,
people
having
a
party
as
of
now
we
I,
don't
think
just
one
isolated
incident
would
warrant
that
we
would
document
it
as
a
nuisance,
property
and
route
it
to
Michael,
Prince
and
anyone
else
that
would
be
assisting.
We
would
just
say:
okay
at
this
point,
you
guys
need
a
quiet,
the
party
down.
If
we
do
have
to
respond
back
well,
then
we
may
have
to
take
some
type
of
different
action,
because
you're
disturbing
the
upstairs
neighbor
or
the
neighbor
who
lives
across
the
street.
I
D
Can
speak
of
it?
Can
I
speak
a
little
bit
on
this
too,
and
thank
you
for
your
question,
counselor
and
chair
I.
Think
the
great
thing
about
this
ordinance
is
that
it
doesn't
take
any
power
from
PD
if
there
is
a
very
serious
nuisance
or
if
there's
illegal
activity
that
can
still
be
pegged
as
a
nuisance
and
sent
to
Michael
Prince.
D
However,
we
also
now
have
this
it's
kind
of
an
expanded
look
at
nuisances
that
include
constituent
complaints
and
code
violations
that
could
very
easily
be
nuisances
if
they
are
chronic
enough
if
they
are
frequent
enough.
So
even
if
it's
two
people
being
loud,
but
it's
night
after
night
after
night,
the
police
officers
would
never
constitute
that
a
nuisance
because
they
they
look
at
things.
You
know
at
a
case-by-case,
they
go
to
the
home
and
the
knives
are
gonna
plug
it
as
a
nuisance,
especially
if
it's
not
the
same
officer
responding
every
single
time.
D
All
of
their
calls
all
the
time
scanning
for
these
kind
of
minor
issues
that
can
become
major
issues
over
time
or
major
issues
that
they're
frequent
enough,
and
so
while
PD
still
does
have
that
power
to
flag
a
nuisance
at
any
time,
we're
looking
again
more
proactively
across
departments
at
different
kinds
of
violations
and
hopefully
pegging
properties
as
nuisance
nuisances
before
they
become
really
serious.
So
thank
you,
chief
for
your
for
your
comments.
It's
really
great,
so
I
think
that's
one
of
the
big
benefits
of
this.
A
A
G
C
A
You
thank
you
all
right.
Thank
you,
everybody
that
was
good
discussion
going
back
to
my
agenda.
We
are
done
with
our
our
consent
agenda.
We
do
have
a
presentation
tonight
regarding
the
Santa
Fe
Police
Department's,
existing
policies
on
use
of
chokeholds
the
duty
to
intervene
and
duty
to
administer
first
aid
and
cheat
Padilla
is
here
with
us
tonight.
A
I
thought
it
would
be
a
good
idea
to
just
get
some
information
out
there
about
the
fact
that
we
have
these
policies
and
hear
from
the
chief
a
little
bit
about
how
they
work
for
law
enforcement
as
they
address
the
situations
that
that
happen
in
the
city.
So
chief
I
I
turn
it
over
to
you
to
kind
of
give
us
a
you
know.
You
have
a
wide-ranging
opportunity
here
to
talk
to
us
about
these
three
policies.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
Yes,.
O
Madam
chair
committee,
members
good
evening,
thank
you
for
having
me
tonight.
This
is
in
line.
Like
said,
with
our
use
of
force
policy,
we
last
updated
it
back
in
2016,
so
we
it's
been
in
place
right
now
for
four
years
and
all
the
things
that
you
just
mentioned
are
covered
in
our
policy
and
on
saref,
with
the
introduction
of
the
policy.
O
Is
the
policy
of
the
Senate
police
department
that
employees
shall
use
that
force
which
is
reasonably
necessary
and
constitutionally
permissible
to
protect
the
sanctity
of
human
life,
preserve
and
protect
individual
liberties
and
to
affect
lawful
objectives,
and
then
it
continues
on
and
I,
don't
want
to
be
too
long-winded.
But
just
please
bear
with
me,
but
the
use
of
force
by
members
of
law
enforcement
is
a
matter
of
critical
concern
both
to
the
public
and
the
law
enforcement
community.
O
It
is
recognized
that
some
individuals
will
not
comply
with
the
law
or
submit
to
control
unless
compelled
to
do
so
by
the
use
of
force.
Therefore,
law
enforcement
officers
are
sometimes
called
upon
to
use
force
in
the
performance
of
their
duties
is
also
recognized
that
members
of
law
enforcement
derive
their
authority
from
the
public
and
therefore
must
be
ever
mindful
that
they
are
not
only
the
guardians
but
also
the
servants
of
the
public.
O
The
department's
guiding
value
when
using
force
shall
be
reverence
for
human
life
when
warranted
Department
personnel
be
objectively
use
reasonable
force
to
carry
out
their
duties.
Officers
who
use
unreasonable
force
degrade
the
confidence
of
the
community.
We
serve,
expose
the
department
and
fellow
officers
to
legal
and
fiscal
hazards
and
violate
the
rights
of
individuals
upon
whom
unreasonable
forces
use.
Conversely,
officers
who
fail
to
use
force
when
warranted
may
endanger
themselves
the
community
and
fellow
officers.
That
is
how
this
use
of
force
policy
starts
off.
O
They
have
to
seek
medical
treatment
for
that
person
that
they
use
the
force
on
they
have
to
photograph
the
scene
photograph.
The
individual
render
or
call
for
an
ambulance
come
check
out
that
person
and
then
eventually
they
still
have
to
take
that
individual
to
the
hospital.
So
they
get
a
full
medical
clearance,
which
is
an
N
we're
going
to
use
to
document
the
incident
even
further
and
that
medical
clearance
is
going
to
be
needed
when
the
officer
or
officers
take
that
individual
over
to
the
jail.
The
hospital.
O
The
excuse
me,
the
Jail
is
going
to
need
that
paperwork.
To
say,
hey:
did
you
medically
clear
this
person
they
have?
You
can
honestly
see
that
their
eyes
are
irritated
when
you
pepper,
sprayed
them
or
you
in
your
reporter
book
information.
It
says
that
you
had
to
tackle
them
and
have
an
obvious
abrasion
or
scrape
to
their
face
or
forehead.
The
hospital
is
gonna
have
to
give
that
clearance
before
the
jail
would
accept
them.
One.
A
percent
but
I'll
stand
for
any
questions.
A.
A
A
O
Madam
chair
committee,
members
I,
won't
talk
about
the
specifics
that
led
up
to
the
incident
self
because,
obviously
that's
still
under
investigation
by
our
department
and
then
the
officer-involved
shooting
that
which
involved
the
two
officers
there
that
deployed
their
service
pistols,
that's
under
investigation
by
New
Mexico,
State
Police,
but
that
third
arriving
officer
was
able
to
arrive
there
and
assess
the
scene.
She
ran
up
to
mr.
O
galassini
and
then
at
that
point
she
applied
a
tourniquet
and
she
stopped
the
bleeding
not
only
on
his
arm,
but
on
his
chest
until
the
paramedics
are
doesn't
matter
that
he
was
just
once
trying
to
attack
an
officer
or
officers.
We
have
to
render
aid
whatever
his
force
that
we
used
on
that
individual
or
individuals.
We
at
that
point,
hey
it's
it's
to
stop
their
actions,
render
the
scene
safe
and
then
at
that
point
we
need
a
render
aid
call
for
the
paramedics
then
eventually
take
him
over
to
the
hospital
like
they
did.
A
O
Madam
chair
committee,
members,
after
each
deployment
of
any
type
of
force,
as
I
mentioned
a
bit
ago,
the
supervisor
is
required
to
document
the
whole
incident
put
this
package
together
and
then
at
that
point
it's
routed
over
to
our
professional
standards
division
and
then
on
a
quarterly
basis.
They
review
every
use
of
force
or
show
of
force,
and
at
that
point
they
determine
was
it
excessive
force
was
within
policy,
is
remedial
training
needed.
O
Was
it
in
policy?
Was
it
out
of
policy?
Are
there
any
concerns?
Do
we
need
to
have
an
updated
roll
call
training?
Do
we
need
to
have
a
40-hour
block
of
instruction
because
handcuffing
techniques
change
or
we're
seeing
a
concerns
that
officers
are
thinking
that
they
can
deploy
a
Taser
in
this
type
of
situation,
but
in
in
all
reality
they
can't
do
or
deploy
that
taser
in
that
manner
or
fashion.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
and
you
mentioned
that
these
policies
that
you
were
just
describing
when
in
2016
is
there
a
periodic
review.
Is
it
something
that
you
do
every
five
years
every
two
years?
How
did
how
do
your
policies
get
reviewed
and
you
know
where
are
we
in
that
cycle
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
you
know
we're
right
up
to
date
with
whatever
the
new
situations
are
that
are
rising
and
new
thinking
and
new
techniques,
perhaps
in
in
law
enforcement?
This.
O
Madam
chair
committee,
members
definitely
were
reviewed
on
almost
on
a
daily
weekly
basis,
although
the
policy
was
last
updated
or
put
into
place
since
in
2016
is
something
major
were
to
change
through
the
law-enforcement
academies
curriculum
or
we
were
to
change
and
get
rid
of
the
use
of
batons
or
tasers.
Then,
at
that
point
we
would
definitely
update
it.
For
the
last
six
months,
we've
had
a
dedicated,
lieutenant
or
an
administrator
reviewing
all
of
our
policies,
all
hundred-plus
policies.
A
G
What
actions
are
taken
against
an
officer
should
they
use
a
prohibited,
hold
like
a
chokehold
or
did
not
intervene
or
in
the
instance
of
the
you
gave
the
example
of
a
big
R
for
the
third
officer
showed
up
and
administered
first
aid.
If
she
showed
up
and
said
no
I'm
not
going
to
do
that.
But
what
are
the
next
steps.
O
Madam
chair
councillor
Garcia,
so
if
there's
any
violation
of
this
policy
itself,
just
like
there
is
with
any
other
policy
at
that
time,
that
supervisor
would
document
the
incident
and
notify
their
chain
of
command,
which
is
that
next
level
of
supervision
going
on
up
and
then
at
that
point
we
would
conduct
an
investigation.
We
have
two
types
of
investigations
which
is
an
operational
complaint.
O
A
lower-level
type
of
investigation,
or
maybe
an
officer,
might
have
skipped
a
step
like
hey,
they
arrested
someone,
they
deployed
the
Taser
and
they
called
the
ambulance,
and
then,
at
that
point
they
photographed
the
scene
and
then,
at
that
point
the
ambulance
personnel
said
hey.
The
gentleman
does
not
have
to
go
off
to
the
hospital
to
the
hospital.
They
just
go
off.
The
word
of
the
paramedics
and
the
officer
takes
that
person
to
the
jail,
but
hey
per
our
policy,
even
though
the
paramedics
say
hey.
O
He
just
had
these
two
marks
on
his
body
from
the
probes
from
the
Taser.
It's
still
our
policy
that
the
officer
has
to
take
this
person
over
the
hospital
and
get
that
full
medical
clearance.
If
the
higher-level
investigation
is
in
an
administrative
investigation
or
controls
affairs
investigation
we're
at
that
point,
we
feel
that
the
deployment
of
the
Taser
or
any
other
type
of
force
was
definitely
not
within
policy
or
there
was
an
allegation
of
excessive
force.
G
Ok,
Thank
You
chief
and
let's
kind
of
get
that
kind
of
gets
me
into
my
next
question,
which
is
I,
guess
the
to
part.
You
know
how
many
times
are
these
instance:
incidences
reported,
you
know
we're,
you
know
an
officer
deems
maybe
another
officer
used
excessive
force
or
didn't
render
aid,
and
then
you
know
the
second
part
of
that
is
how
many
instances
were
deemed
to
be
in
violation.
O
Madam
chair
councillor,
Garcia
so
within
the
last
year,
there's
one
case
that
comes
to
mind,
whereas
an
allegation
of
excessive
force.
So
we
did
do
a
full
internal
affairs
investigation
on
that
case
and
situation,
and
it
was
a
sustained
policy
violation
of
that
incident
and
policy.
So
there
was
corrective
action
taken
with
the
employee,
but
all
the
other
incidents
that
were
used
in
applications
of
force
were
within
policy.
O
G
Thank
You
chief
I
appreciate
that
is
it's
as
we
move
forward,
because
I
know
that
this
has
been
become
a
very
sensitive
subject
for
for
the
community.
What
means
are
there
to
communicate
to
the
broader
public
in
regards
to
reports
of
excessive
force
and
then
the
final
outcomes?
The
determinations
of
that
could
could
a
public
member
request
that
information?
Is
it
something
you
publish
out,
but
what's
the
process
of
that?
Madam.
O
Chair
council,
Garcia,
all
of
our
incidents
or
applications
of
force
are
documented
in
our
annual
report.
That's
in
its
final
stages
of
getting
fine
lines
at
this
time
where
it
talks
about
each.
How
many
taser
deployments
there
were,
how
many
deployments
of
a
baton,
use
or
empty
hand
or
open
hand
strikes,
were
used
and
deployed
all
the
way
up
to
lethal
force,
with
the
deployment
of
pistols,
weapons,
shotguns
or
those
rifles
all
that's
covered
in
there
as
well,
and
that's
something
that's
recovered
in
a
annual
report,
but
we
know
now.
O
This
is
something
that
we
should
be
reporting
on
just
be
open
and
show
that
we're
transparent
with
the
community
to
let
them
know
that
we're
not
trying
to
hide
anything-
and
this
is
what
we
are
doing
so
this
is
something
that
we
can
currently
cover
in
our
monthly
public
safety
meetings.
Obviously
with
Kovac
crisis
in
place
that
those
committees
night
might
not
be
open
and
available
and
resume
till
September
at
the
earliest.
But
I
think
this
is
something
that
we
could
compile
and
release
and
say,
hey
look
in
2017.
O
This
is
were
the
results
per
our
annual
report
2018.
We
do
them
on
a
calendar
basis
and
then
in
2019
here
are
the
results
and
then
I
think
for
this
last
handful
monster
current
present
date.
For
the
last
six
months,
we
can
hopefully
compile
sometime
the
data,
charts
and
graph
and
say
okay
out
of
just
an
example
out
of
the
20
deployments
or
shows
of
force.
O
These
are
how
many
were
in
compliance
of
the
policy
or
directive,
and
here
are
the
ones
that
we
deemed
that
were
out
and
did
we
receive
any
citizen,
complaints
or
complaints
from
the
arrestee
that
there
was
an
allegation
of
excessive
force.
But,
yes,
we
are
ready
to
prepare
and
keep
the
public
and
the
community
members
informed.
G
Great
thank
thank
you,
chief
and
last
I
just
want
to
thank
you
and
all
your
fellow
officers
in
the
department
for
keeping
SantaFe,
safe,
I
think
as
I
mentioned
earlier.
This
is
definitely
a
trying
time
for
not
only
Santa
Fe
but
across
the
country
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
service
and
all
of
the
other
officers
within
the
department.
I
know
that
it's
it's
a
stressful
time,
but
but
I
do
want
to
thank
you
for
your
service
to
her
to
our
community.
That's
all
I
have
madam
chair.
O
Madam
chair
counselor
Rivera,
so
we
do
have
an
in-car
camera
policies
and
did
dictates
and
says
when
an
officer
is
going
to
activate
and
use
their
in-car
camera
system.
We've
had
that
policy
in
place
for
the
last
twenty
years
and
it's
been
updated
as
we've
upgraded
two
different
camera
systems.
So,
like
a
traffic,
stop
when
an
officer
responds
to
a
domestic
violence
situation,
they
respond
to
a
crash.
O
Those
are
the
instance
when
that
in-car
camera
system
is
going
to
be
an
operation
for
the
body,
worn
camera
policy.
We've
had
that
policy
in
place
for
the
last
four
years
as
well
and
wanted
to
employ
in
place
in
August
of
2016,
and
we
have
been
using
those
body,
worn
cameras
for
four
years
now
so
same
thing.
O
If
an
officer
is
going
to
have
that
contact
with
an
individual
where
it's
going
to
result
in
some
type
of
questioning
for
some
violation
of
a
city,
ordinance
or
state
law,
then
at
that
point,
that
officer
is
going
to
activate
the
camera,
which
kind
of
goes
in
line
with
the
in-car
camera
policy.
If
the
officer
is
conducting
a
traffic,
stop
responding
to
a
domestic
violence
situation,
they're
responding
to
the
local
store
establishment
for
a
shoplifting
case
that
at
that
point,
that
officer
is
going
to
activate
that
body-worn
camera
policy.
H
O
Madam
chair
councillor,
Vera,
yes,
every
officer
to
include
myself
goes
through
that
training
of
stop
the
bleed,
which
is
application
of
tourniquets.
Every
officer
carries
those
tourniquets
either
on
their
person
or
in
their
police
vehicle,
and
then
they
know
how
to
stop
the
bleed.
If
there's
not,
if
you
can't
apply
a
tourniquet
where
you
have
to
apply
pressure
or
gauze
or
any
other
type
of
material
to
stop
that
bleed.
Alright.
So.
H
O
So,
madam
chair,
Council
Rivera,
that's
a
great
question.
So
the
only
time
we
have
an
outside
agency
investigate
that
application
of
force
is
when
it
results
in
great
bodily
injury
like
what
happened
at
big
R
or
if
we
do
apply
that
force
and
it
does
results
and
that
unfortunate
death
of
that
individual,
then
at
that
point,
that
the
outside
ain't
she's
gonna
come
in
and
review
that
application
of
that
great
bodily
injury
or
in
the
end
result
that
someone
does
pass
away.
O
That's
when
they're
gonna
investigate
it,
they're
gonna
document
the
incident
review
everything
in
anything
all
the
data.
That's
there
on
scene
from
in-car
camera
systems,
body,
Morecambe
systems,
witness
statements,
surveillance,
videos,
that's
what
they're
gonna
investigate
and
then
at
that
point,
they're
gonna
render
and
finalize
their
report.
They
referred
over
to
the
District
Attorney's
Office
and
then
it's
up
to
each
district
attorney.
Do
they
do
their
own
independent
review
or
do
they
follow
that
practice
where
they
convene
a
panel?
O
H
O
Madam
chair
counselor,
very
yes,
every
application
of
any
type
of
force
from
the
beanbag
shotgun
to
pepper
spray
to
a
hands-on
technique.
Those
are
documented
by
that
first
line
supervisor
and
then
all
of
those
incidents
are
reviewed
on
a
quarterly
basis
and
then
that
review
committee
provides
an
individual
report
cover
sheet
synopsis
for
me
to
review,
to
see
if
I
agree
or
disagree
with
their
recommendations
or
findings,
see
if
that
application
of
force
was
within
policy
or
out
of
policy
and.
O
Madam
chair
counselor,
very
yes,
if
that
individuals
leaned
down
through
training,
it's
called
the
rescue
position.
We
don't
authorize
hog-tie
nor
allow
that
individual
beat
left
or
be
allowed
to
be
face
down.
That's
where
that
positional
asphyxia
comes
into
place
where
that
person
cannot
breathe.
So,
yes,
every
officer
is
in
line
with
almost
first
aid,
CPR
training
if
anyone's
ever
gone
through
it.
It's
called
that
rescue
position
where
you
almost
lay
that
individual
on
their
side,
you
pull
that
top
leg
or
knee
upwards.
O
Once
the
situation
is
calm,
then
at
that
point,
that
a
person
should
immediately
be
set
up
and
brought
up
to
their
feet
and
either
individually
by
that
officer
themselves
or
if
another,
responding
officer
to
get
there.
Then
at
that
point
it's
their
responsibility
to
get
that
person
up
and,
like
I,
said,
render
aid
get
them
off
to
the
hospital,
have
a
paramedic
check
them
out
or
place
them
in
the
back
of
the
patrol
vehicle.
O
Madam
chair
counselor
venner,
yes,
I
said
we
we
knock
on
wood
and
we
don't
say
that
we
want
to
go
out
there
and
apply
force
on
individuals.
Each
individual
situation
is
quickly
and
rapidly
evolving,
and
at
that
point
yes,
we
follow
the
latest
and
greatest
protocols,
training
procedures
that
are
out
there.
Yes,
there's
always
room
for
improvement
as
technology
improves
and
changes
and
document
and
procedures
change.
O
Maybe
one
supervisor
does
it
this
way,
another
one
likes
to
take
more
pictures
and
throw
a
ruler
down
and
and
measure
everything,
but
we
have
the
basic
guidelines
that
are
out
there,
but
anytime
some
new
product
comes
out
or
there's
a
change
in
protocol,
we're
always
willing
to
open
and
evaluate
all
those
practices
and
procedures.
But
yes,
I
do
feel
that
we're
in
line
with
the
latest
protocols
and
procedures
that
are
out
there
nationally
and.
O
O
Then,
at
that
point,
just
depending
on
each
level
that
beanbag
shotgun
is
trained
on
annually
or
they
have
to
go
through
that
recertification
the
Taser
same
thing:
they
have
to
go
through
that
recertification
with
that
taser
same
thing
with
annual
qualifications
and
quarterly
qualifications
with
the
pistols
themselves,
the
shotguns
there
is
that
hands-on
training
where
that
proficiency,
has
to
be
maintained
and
shown
Thank
You
chief.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
O
I
O
I
O
Chair
Tyrell,
the
only
time
State
Police
would
get
involved
if
it's
an
incident,
primarily
deployment
of
a
pistol,
a
shotgun
or
a
rifle,
it's
deadly
force,
but
the
application
of
a
taser,
shotgun,
pepper
spray,
a
hands-on
technique,
that's
going
to
be
reviewed
here
internally,
as
other
agencies
do
within
the
state
of
New,
Mexico
and
nationally.
So.
I
O
Madam
chair
councillor,
V
rail
one
thing
that
even
Albuquerque
Police
Department
is
using
is
that
citizen
oversight
review
committee
or
board
whatever
the
official
title
is
I
know
at
this
point
locally.
That
is
something
that's
on
the
table
and
we're
open
to
it
that
those
established
protocols
and
procedures
would
have
to
be
set
within
this
committee
to
figure
out
okay
at
this
point,
what
would
be
reviewed?
O
Is
it
every
single
application
of
use
of
force
or
would
would
this
committee
only
review
something
if
there's
an
allegation
by
a
citizen
that
was
recently
arrested,
that
they
they're,
claiming
that
the
officer
used
excessive
force?
Then
at
that
point,
would
it
just
be
that
insulated
or
isolated
incident
or
what
they
have
the
purview
to
review
review?
Everything
in
anything
and
those
parameters
would
have
to
be
sense.
Okay,
do
they
review
everything,
and
then,
at
that
point
we
review
and
recommend
that
it's
within
policy
out
of
policy.
You
know
some
people's
concerns
or
thoughts.
O
Well,
do
they
have
the
authority
to
recommend
corrective
action
or
discipline
on
that
individual
officer,
but
yes,
councilor
via
rail?
That
is
something
that
we
have
been
keeping
our
finger
on
the
pulse,
and
that
is
something
nationally
that's
happening
at
this
point
and
if
that's
something
that
we
want
to
go
with
as
a
community
I
fully
support
it
like
it's
all
about
transparency
and
letting
everyone
know
that
we're
on
board
with
them
and
we're
here
to
help
everyone
out.
I
O
Chair
counselor,
B
rail.
We
recently
put
every
officer
from
a
brand
new
police
cadet
all
the
way
to
myself
about
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
something
that
we
had
put
into
our
budget
and
we
finalized
everything
last
year
is
every
officer
had
to
go
through
a
forty-hour
d,
ask
de-escalation
training
and
that's
something
that
we
partnered
with
with
dr.
Troy
Rogers
of
the
public
safety
psychology
group
out
of
Albuquerque,
who
was
able
to
come
to
our
location,
put
every
officer
through
that
scenario-based
training.
So
it
wasn't
just
a
classroom
presentation.
O
Yes,
there
was
some
classroom
presentation,
but
it
was
actually
going
hands-on
and
was
ranging
from
dealing
with
someone
going
through
substance,
use,
withdrawals
on
the
side
of
the
road
to
someone
going
through
a
domestic
violence
situation
to
a
barricaded
subject
in
in
in
a
room
or
a
roadway
dealing
all
the
way
to
some
of
that.
So
that's
having
a
mental
health
crisis
at
that
point
to
say:
okay
at
this
point,
it's
all
about
talking
to
someone
reasoning
with
them
and
understanding
hey.
O
O
Excuse
me
local
hospital
at
that
point
and
get
them
the
help
that
they
truly
need,
and
we
all
went
through
that
training,
but
that's
something
that,
as
we
move
forward
at
that
point,
we'll
have
to
see
okay,
probably
through
the
next,
not
this
current
fiscal
budget
request,
but
through
the
following
one.
At
that
point,
we'll
have
to
go
and
put
everyone
through
a
refresher
training.
You
might
need
not
not
be
the
full
40
hour
class.
It
might
just
be
a
tan
20
hour,
refresher
class.
O
We
do
have
our
upcoming
annual
qualifications
or
spring
qualifications
that
we
have
to
do
for
the
law.
Enforcement
Academy
board,
we'll
have
that
training
start
in
about
a
couple
weeks
where
it's
going
to
result
in
a
refresher
training
of
our
use
of
force
policy,
reporting
and
answer
any
questions,
so
that
will
be
conducted
with
our
officers.
That's
a
10-hour
training
day
and
that'll
be
covered
of
the
spring
qualifications
out
at
our
farm
range
and
it's
also
the
use
of
our
farms,
train
simulator,
where
the
officers
go
through
individualized
situations.
O
So
if
you
can
picture
a
large
screen
at
least
15
by
15
feet
in
front
of
the
officer,
it's
that
simulator
or
the
officer
responds
and
speaks
to
someone
and
the
officer
and
the
controller
of
that
scenario.
Situation
has
the
capability
to
control
that
role
player,
which
is
a
computer
base,
and
it's
actually
like,
if
you're,
watching
a
movie.
O
At
that
point,
any
law
enforcement
officer
to
include
our
agency
is:
has
that
ability
to
deploy
and
show
their
lethal
force
and
deployed
their
pistol
and
draw
it
out
of
your
holster
and
hat?
Maybe
have
it
down
at
the
low
ready
or
actually
before
this
individual
and
let
them
know
hey
I'm
officer
Padilla.
You
need
to
follow
my
commands,
we're
here
to
help
you.
Let's
talk
through
this.
O
You
need
to
put
your
weapon
down
or
throw
it
on
to
the
ground,
and
then
at
that
point,
if
that
person
were
to
raise
that
pistol
or
shot
down
a
rifle
and
try
to
fire
it
at
the
officer,
they'll
also
text
test
that
officer's
reaction,
skills
and
accuracy
skills
to
see
were
they
able
to
use
and
respond
to
that
critical
situation,
but
we'll
be
doing
that
now
within
the
next
couple
weeks
that
was
already
pre-planned
and
scheduled.
Okay.
O
A
local,
a
psychologist
out
of
Albuquerque
works,
hand
in
hand
with
all
the
agencies
down
in
Albuquerque
or
Bernalillo
County.
This
is
something
that
he
does
and
he
puts
it
on,
even
just
for
local
stores
and
agencies
and
even
for
dispatchers,
but
it's
de-escalation
training.
He
has
all
the
specialists
that
work
with
them.
This
is
a
professional
and
I
said
we
have
been
using
him
for
about
three
four
years
now
and
expanding.
I
Thank
you.
Well,
we
do
have
a
lot
of
new
people,
so
we'd
have
to
make
sure
that
they
get
trained
in
that
same
in
that
same
second
sector
or
that
same
specific
area.
I,
guess
I'm,
just
curious
like
given
the
case
that
happened
in
Las
Cruces
with
antonio
van
Valenzuela,
who
was
killed
by
an
officer,
and
it
was
basically
the
officer
was
using
a
prohibited
apprehension.
Technic,
Technic
and
I'm
just
curious
like
even
though
places
like
ours
and
Las
Cruces
and
other
places
haven't,
have
ensured
that
we
have
policies
and
procedures.
I
How
do
we
ensure
that
people
are
to
follow
them
in
situations
and
making
sure
that
officers
are
held
accountable,
and
you
talked
about
the
process
but
I'm
just
wondering
like?
How
can
we
even
prevent
getting
to
that
point
where
we
have
to
think
about
use
of
force,
but
actually
making
sure
that
we
have
the
right
people
and
the
right
job
so
that
they
know
that
this?
Is
we
take
this
seriously?
So
do
you
have
an
opinion
about
why
that
played
out
in
las
cruces.
O
Madam
chair
councilor,
VL
I
mean
like
each
agency's
different,
sometimes
people
that
let
the
best
of
themselves
get
themselves
that's
the
way,
I'm
easily
able
to
put
it
as
our
policy
covers
it
there.
Yes,
the
van
or
the
application
of
a
chokehold
during
the
apprehension
of
someone
we
ban
it
one
or
percent
a
minute
agencies
follow
the
same
protocol
and
that's
what
those
officers
were
doing
and
I
know
that's
under
review
and
those
officers
or
officer
may
be
facing
those
criminal
charges
and
we'll
see
how
that
pans
out.
O
At
that
point,
we
need
to
call
a
timeout
and
call
an
immediate
refresher
training
on
everything
on
anything.
But
nothing
comes
to
my
mind
in
the
recent
a
couple
years
that
way,
we've
had
to
call
a
timeout,
because
someone
was
skipping
a
step
from
the
first
line.
Supervisors
are
not
documenting
something
properly
and
they're,
just
kind
of
blowing
things
off
altogether.
I
Yeah,
it's
it's
a
hard
place
to
understand
completely
just
because
in
in
some
regard,
there's
some
subjectivity
that
occurs
and
even
in
the
language
that
you
read
about
policies
and
procedures,
they're
still
kind
of
less
like
we
banned
this
use.
However,
there's
this
like
little
caveat
and
that's
what's
hard
to
understand
like
at
what
point
does
that
line
get
crossed
and
so
I
think
it's
just.
It
would
help
to
have
some
other
kind
of
a
oversight,
process
and
I.
I
K
You,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
too,
for
being
here.
I,
wanted
to
follow
up
a
little
bit
on
on
trainings
and
how
we
choose
our
trainings
and
I
know
that
often
at
least
in
one
of
the
psychology
in
the
public
health
world,
we
talked
about
how
trainings
change,
knowledge,
beliefs
and
behavior,
and
really
what
we
are
looking
at
is
how
do
we
change
behavior
I'm
curious?
How
how
you
guys
evaluate
the
effectiveness
of
your
training
and
I
know
it's.
It's
probably
a
very
challenging.
O
Spam
chair
councillor
of
Casa
Sanchez,
that's
something
that
just
evaluate
on
that
case-by-case
basis
I
mean
each
individual
incident
is
different,
not
each
one
is
the
same.
We
try
to
stay
up
to
date
with
the
direction
and
guidance
that
we
received
from
the
New
Mexico
law,
Enforcement
Academy.
We
have
to
follow
at
the
bare
minimum
their
recommendations
for
the
biennium
firearms
qualifications
and
their
annual
qualifications
forms
and
qualifications.
We
follow
those
and
we
have
been
following
them.
It's
all
about
documentation,
a
lot
of
bits
as
well
as
covered
in
biennium
training.
O
O
If
anything
else,
it's
upgraded
and
with
that
new
technology,
there
might
be
some
updated
training,
as
that
curriculum
and
training
program
will
come
with
that
updated
intermediate
weapon
to
say
hey
at
this
point
with
the
old
taser.
This
is
how
you
did
it,
but
with
this
new
taser,
this
is
how
you
need
to
do
it
so
anytime.
We
upgrade
to
that
type
of
technology,
part
of
us
just
opening
the
box
and
giving
it
to
an
individual
officer
or
detective.
K
Thank
you
for
that
I
think.
My
question
was
actually
more
trying
to
get
towards
not
so
much
as
being
able
to
accurately
use
technology
which
is
good,
I'm,
very
glad
that
we
they
were
updated
on
that
that's
important,
but
really
looking
at
that
decision
process
you
know
and
yeah
are
we
seeing
situations
where
we
feel
that
the
decision
process
is
not
what
we
would
like
it
to
be?
K
O
Chair
accounts:
are
you
talking
about
like
applications
of
force
or
like
a
reality
based
training
where
Officer
Padilla
would
respond
and
there's
an
individual
sitting
on
a
park
bench
and
then
also
in
that
individual
stands
up
and
runs
from
myself
and
then
maybe
that
individual
stops
and
then
deploys
or
shows
a
firearm
and
tries
to
shoot
me?
Is
that
what
you're
trying
to
go
for?
Yes,.
K
I
believe
I
believe
that
is
thank
you
for
putting
an
actual
training
on
there.
So
I
have
that
example.
So
exactly
that,
so
how
you
know,
how
do
we
know
and
then,
when
we're
looking
at
situations
in
the
real
world,
you
know
seeing
that
we're
feeling
that
that
training
is
there,
that
our
officers
are
really
following
that
continuum
of
force
and
that
there
is
that
those
correct
decisions
are
being
made
and
if
we
feel
that
that
behavior
change
that
were
wanting
is
occurring,
yeah.
O
Madam
chair
counselor,
that's
what's
evaluated
by
our
training
you,
which
is
a
group
of
officers
and
a
supervisor
that
come
up
with
this
annual
train
which
we're
about
to
kick-off
in
a
couple
weeks.
It's
up
to
them
to
say:
okay.
This
is
what
they're
seen
in
communications
with
our
professional
standards,
unit
and
division.
To
say
at
this
point
are
there
discrepancies
with
maybe
documenting
the
incidents
themselves
or
the
actual
application
of
the
force?
Are
we
seeing
something
that's
wrong,
or
are
we
following
those
policies?
At
that
point,
it
would
be
up
to
that
unit.
O
To
say
this
is
the
trend
that
we
were
seen
and
obviously
I
would
know
of
those
discrepancies
or
concerns,
and,
yes,
I,
would
approve
of
that
training
or
updated
curriculum
to
go
into
effect.
But
that's
through
that
farms,
train
simulator.
So
at
any
point,
if
any
of
you
all
would
ever
like
to
try
to
come
in
and
run
through
those
training
simulators
and
situations,
and
we
would
give
you
a
quick
rundown
and
show
you
here
are
those
split-second
decisions
that
these
officers
and
detectives
are
happy
to
make
out
and
about
on
on
a
daily
basis.
O
From
using
their
verbal
skills
and
that
verbal
de-escalation,
where
we
obviously
want
every
situation
to
go,
but
there
are
certain
individuals
or
situations
where
speaking
to
someone
is
not
going
to
work
and
that
person
is
going
to
try
to
harm
either
that
officer
or
a
family
member
or
some
other
random
person,
and
that's
where
that
officer
has
to
move
in
and
intervene
to
save
someone's
life
and
stop
that
person's
action.
But
any
time
any
of
you-all
would
like
to
partake
in
our
farms
training
similar
program,
it's
nothing!
That's
too
wild
or
crazy.
O
K
K
You
know
to
kind
of
piggybacking
off
of
some
of
what
counselor
bol
was
talking
about
is
some
of
these
different
models
that
are
coming
out
about
public
safety
as
a
whole
and
where
we
might
be
you
don't
like
where
we
are
thinking
that
police
officers,
where
we
really
need
our
police
officer,
is
where
we
should
be
focusing
them
to
make
sure
that
we
are
keeping
the
public
safe
and
we're.
K
Potentially,
there
are
opportunities
to
use
different
professionals
that
you
know
I
think
we've
had
so
many
conversations
about
where
how
our
fleets
off
our
police
force
is
stretched
and
that
there
are
potentially
situations
where
we
could
be
using
mental
health
professionals,
other
individuals
that
could
come
forward
and
assist
with
some
of
these
situations,
potentially
with
the
homeless
population
or
somebody
that
you
know
we
do
see
a
mental
health
situation
and
we
don't
think
that
there
is
a
danger.
I'd
be
curious
to
hear
your
thoughts
on
on
those
models
that
have
been
discussed.
K
O
Chair
counselor,
the
fire
department,
Chief
Paul
Babcock,
through
this
next
fiscal
budget
to
him,
like
I,
said
you
guys
will
all
be
here
and
he
has
pilot
project,
hopefully
with
the
next
2-3
weeks.
We
want
to
partner
with
him
and
then
also
with
the
community
services
department
and
have
this
mobile
unit.
O
This
is
something
we've
been
talking
about
for
about
a
year
now
and
at
this
point
he
was
able
to
put
it
forth
in
one
of
those
proposals,
an
expansion
proposal,
and
at
that
point,
what
we
would
like
to
do
is
have
that
mental
health,
professional
or
that
case
manager
and
a
police
officer
and
a
firefighter
from
the
Nijo
program.
All
ride
together,
work
out
of
one
office
and
if
they
know
that
over
near
Pete's
place,
there's
individuals
that
are
in
need
of
help.
O
They
would
go
and
speak
to
those
people
if
they
know
that
there's
a
call
for
service
at
the
local
Walgreens
right
down
the
road
and
there's
an
individual
there
causing
a
scene,
maybe
they're
aggressively
panhandling,
which
is
against
one
of
our
city
ordinances,
and
they
would
respond
to
that.
And
at
that
point
they
would
say:
hey
Andrew
Padilla
what's
going
on
today,
and
they
would
hopefully
build
that
rapport
with
with
that
individual
and
try
to
get
them
connected
with
services
to
help
them
get
back
on
their
feet
and
be
a
productive
member
of
this
community.
O
This
is
what's
happening,
so
it's
not
always
that
police
officer
responding
right
away
from
the
get-go.
We
could
have
these
other
mental
health
professionals
in
place
to
also
respond
in
line
with
us
hand
in
hand,
or
you
know
what
just
individual
calling
saying
that
they're
having
a
bad
day
or
the
feeling
down
at
that
point.
We
would
hope
that
obviously,
law
enforcement
would
have
to
respond
at
all,
and
these
mental
health
professionals
or
counselors
would
respond
and
they
would
be
able
to
help
connect
with
this
person
get
them
the
help
that
they
need.
K
O
Madam
chair
councilor,
one
said
it's
a
great
pilot
project
and
I
think
we
can
hopefully
expand
it
I
think
if
it
kicks
off,
and
you
know
that
with
the
budgets
and
Cova
crisis
that
were
in
now
by
the
time
the
whole
thing's
established
and
set
up,
probably
October,
November
December
and
by
then
months
have
gone
by
and
we're
gonna
be
mid-year.
I
mean
if
it
does
have
that
success
and
we'd
have
to
figure
out.
When
are
those
calls
for
service
truly
happening
that
are
affecting
police
department
response
and
fire
to
bottom
response?
O
Just
an
example:
if
they
were
all
working
I,
don't
think
it's
just
gonna
be
a
Monday
through
Friday
8:00
to
5:00
job
I
think
this
is
where
maybe
that
their
hours
might
be
from
10
a.m.
to
8
p.m.
at
night
and
they're
gonna,
try
to
at
least
have
at
least
four
or
five
days
of
coverage
and
I
think
we
can
all
agree
that
this
is
the
help,
and
this
is
direction.
We
all
want
to
go
forth
with
this
community
and
this
national
trend
and
having
these
specialists
respond
to
these
types
of
situations.
O
So
firefighters
and
police
officers
don't
automatically
have
to
be
respond
there
and
possibly
escalate
these
situations,
so
it'd
be
great
by
need
a
year
to
say:
hey
look
here,
the
the
number
of
calls
for
service
that
this
response
team
has
responded
to.
It
was
a
pilot
project
and
we
are
seeing
success
in
here.
O
We
still
need
to
give
it
another
six
months
and
see
how
we're
looking
and
review
for
the
next
fiscal
year
to
see.
Okay,
at
that
point,
do
we
just
stick
with
it
as
it
is
or
does
through
the
Community
Services
Department?
Do
we
need
those
counselors
and
mental
health
professionals?
And
they
are
the
ones
responding
to
this?
O
O
I
think
there
may
have
to
be
a
two-person
response,
and
if
Andrew
is
that
counselor
engaging
with
this
person
going
to
that
crisis
of
the
day
or
situation
of
the
day
that
other
person
so
has
to
be
that
Safety
Officer
to
say
in
case
in
case.
Something
does
go
bad,
that
they
would
have
be
able
to
call
911
officers,
because
now
they're
physically
fighting
or
that
individual
that
was
going
through
some
type
of
crisis
now
is
threatening
suicide
or
they're
physically.
K
Yeah
I
think
thank
you
for
that.
You
know
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
you
know
we're
really
thinking
through
this
process
and
kind
of
all
the
different
scenarios.
I'm
I'm,
really
looking
forward
to
hearing
how
this
goes
and
I
really
I
hope
that
we
can
continue
to
get
updates
about
this
either
here
through
you
know,
public
safety
or
through
Council
and
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
really
starting
to
look
at
some
of
these
innovative
program.
Some
of
these
new
directions.
I,
really,
you
know
appreciate
that
look
towards
how
we
continue
to
improve
I.
K
Think
that's
really
important,
and
you
know
right
now.
There
is
really
a
national
movement
happening
and
I
hope
that
we
continue
this
momentum,
even
if
there
is
no
longer
a
national
momentum
or
movement
happening
and
or
it's
taking
a
dip.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
it's
something
that
we
are
really
continuing
to
look
at
and
continuing
to
see
how
we
can
improve
and
how
we
can
be
a
leader
in
this
area.
So
I
really
think
that
we
have
that
opportunity.
So
thank
you
so
much
again
for
being
here.
I
O
Madam
chair
counselor
virial,
so
at
that
point
the
police
department
would
provide
a
police
vehicle.
It
wouldn't
be
fully
marked
it'd,
be
an
unmarked
vehicle
be
through
existing.
Obviously,
we
would
probably
pay
for
the
fuel
for
that
vehicle
and
maintenance.
We
would
use
a
current
officer
detective
that
would
want
to
do
this
type
of
project.
We'd
go
through
a
selection
process
and
say:
okay,
who
wants
to
do
this
type
of
project?
They
would
apply
for
the
project
and
then
at
that
point
they
would
be
a
member
of
that
team.
Same
thing
with
the
fire
department.
O
They're
not
gonna,
hire
any
new
staff.
They're
gonna
use
the
same
existing
staff,
either
a
member
from
the
Miho
program
or
one
of
their
other
paramedics
or
EMTs
to
participate
in
this
project
that
caseworker
or
mental
health
professional.
That
is
something
obviously
where
we
will
definitely
have
to
possibly
hire
someone
at
outside
new
position
and
that'll
be
covered
through
the
proposal,
but
you
have
that
joint
team
working
and
responding
to
these
types
of
situations
out
and
about
in
the
community.
So.
O
O
A
Okay,
I
just
have
a
couple
of
things:
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
the
conversation,
Thank
You
chief
for
being
here
I.
You
have
mentioned
when
you
use
things
like
Tasers
and
your
beanbag
shotgun,
and
you
might
have
mentioned
a
couple
other
things
all
of
that
gets
documented
and
it's
reviewed
quarterly.
Is
that
often
enough?
Do
you
find.
O
Madam
chair
committee,
members,
yeah
I,
do
believe
it's
enough
time
to
review
everything
that,
just
because
an
example
here
of
Andrew
Padilla
were
to
go
use
this
taser
right
now.
My
first
line
supervisors
word
document
the
incident
and
just
because
that
first
line
supervisor
documents
incident,
it
doesn't
mean
that
two
months
goes
by
and
then
that
group
of
police
lieutenants
review
it
along
with
the
other
specialists
that
help
them
out.
At
that
point,
he
goes
up
the
chain
of
command.
O
It
would
go
up
to
the
next
level
of
supervision,
which
would
be
like
a
police,
lieutenant
and
then
eventually,
the
captain
and
the
deputy
chief
of
police
or
deputy
chief
Paul
joy.
So
there's
not
just
that
first-line
supervisor
that,
although
they
documented
and
they
review
it,
there's
still
at
least
two
three
sets
of
eyes.
Atop
of
them.
That
review
to
see
was
every
step
followed
or
is
anything
you
need
to
be
flagged
or,
although
that
first-line
supervisor
stance
within
policy
that
next
line
supervisor
a
captain
or
deputy
chief
would
say
you
there's
no
way.
O
A
O
Chair
that
is
correct.
If
we
through
that
chain
of
command
review,
if
they
were
to
identify
some
type
of
new
trend
or
this
one,
individual
officer
is
continually
doing
something
wrong
either
using
that
force
or
tool
improperly,
then,
at
that
point
we
would
say:
hey
call
a
timeout.
This
is
what
needs
to
be
done,
that
individual
officer
or
group
of
officers,
or
maybe
just
people,
aren't
grasping
the
updated
policies,
techniques
guidelines
and
we
need
to
call
a
timeout
and
say
at
this
point:
here's
the
refresher
training.
O
A
O
Chair
that
is
correct,
it's
chaired
by
councillor
Rivera,
and
then
it
has
a
handful
of
citizen
members.
At
this
point
they
do
review
like
I
said
they
make
recommendations.
They
don't
have
that
official
approval,
just
like
the
Finance
Committee
or
the
quality
life
that'll.
Have
that
authority?
It's
more
just
hey,
here's,
a
review
and
updates.
We
provide
them
updates
on
how
the
police
departments
doing
how
the
fire
departments
doing
how
the
regional
emergency
communications
department
is
doing
or
the
dispatch
center
they
have.
O
The
representatives
or
directive
Ennis
Marquez
will
also
attend
and
give
her
updated
review
of
everything.
But
we
provide
an
update
on
how
we're
doing
on
staffing
wise
how
many
vacancies
we
have.
We
highlight
the
great
work
of
the
men
and
women
of
the
police
department
cases
of
the
month.
They
did
a
great
job
and
handle
this
type
of
situation.
We
acknowledge
and
recognize
the
great
work
that
our
officers
are
doing.
O
If
we
do
have
any
upcoming
operations
like
the
spring
blitz
or
fall
blitz
or
the
operation
downtown
focus,
we
give
them
updates
on
how
that
we've
dedicated
four
officers
to
the
plaza
area,
and
this
is
what
they're
doing
or
we
have
an
upcoming
traffic
safety,
blitz
and
they're
gonna,
be
focusing
on
loud
mufflers
and
exhibition,
driving
or
exhibition
of
speed,
they're
in
and
around
the
plaza
and
any
other
neighborhoods
within
the
city
of
Santa
Fe
that
need
that
type
of
focus.
We
update
them
with
those
type
of
situations
and
stats.
A
A
Could,
if
you
might
just
address,
because
we
have
gotten
a
lot
of
emails
about
the
response
time
to
India
palace
and
my
understanding
is
that
there
the
response
time,
maybe
you
can
just
kind
of
explain
to
the
public
and
the
press
and
anybody
watching
and
to
the
counselors?
If
they
don't
know,
you
know
what
happened
there
in
terms
of
you
know
the
the
way
that
call
got
ranked
and
then
how
quickly
your
officers
responded
once
they
were
dispatched
yeah.
O
Madam
chair
committee,
members
just
like
with
any
situation
or
normal
day
for
service,
that's
happening
right
now
depend
on
what
shift
and
how
many
available
resources
or
officers
we
have
out
on
that
individual
shift,
depending
how
many
priority
one
calls
our
priority.
One
calls
like
a
domestic
violence
situation
in
progress,
a
robbery
in
progress.
Is
there
a
burglary
in
progress?
So
it's
always
preservation
of
life
over
property.
So
if
someone
a
report
that
they
lost
their
wallet
or
they
had
their
pedal
bike
stolen
one
day
ago
or
one
week
ago,
those
are
lower
priority
calls.
O
So
those
are
the
calls
they're
going
to
pend.
It's
it's
up
to
the
dispatcher
and
the
officers
to
respond
to
those
party.
1
calls
a
crash
with
injuries.
Officers
are
always
going
to
have
to
respond
to
those
types
of
calls
for
service
first
and
a
majority
of
those
calls
require
not
just
one
off
to
respond
to.
If
it's
a
911
call,
two
officers
have
to
respond
to
its
domestic
violence
situation.
Two
officers
have
to
respond
to
you
so
on
each
individual
shift
where
it
could
be
eight
officers
for
the
entire
city
working
for
swing.
O
Shift
and
the
hours
that
were
working
right
now,
if
all
of
them
are
busy
tied
up
on
calls
in
one
call,
lasts
20
minutes
or
30
minutes
or
three
hours,
or
it's
a
critical
incident
like
what
happened
over
at
big
R
the
other
day,
all
those
officers
gonna
be
dealing
with
that
situation.
So
all
of
those
other
lower
priority
calls
were
that's
criminal
damage
to
property.
O
So,
yes,
that's
unfortunate
incident
for
India
palace
did
pan
for
three
hours
and
yes
anyone's
going
to
be
upset
of
why
it
took
so
long.
The
police
department
currently
has
22
police
officer
vacancies
right
now.
Although
we've
hired
12
cadets
in
the
last
year,
like
I,
said
with
the
kovat
crisis,
the
three
cadets
that
were
in
the
law,
Enforcement
Academy
do
kukoba.
They,
they
called
a
timeout
on
that
and
they're
going
to
be
resuming
the
Academy.
O
Now,
in
a
couple
weeks,
the
other
nine
cadets
that
we
we
hired
maybe
about
two
months
ago,
the
law,
Enforcement
Academy,
hasn't
reestablished
their
schedule.
They
were
originally
scheduled
to
go
to
the
Academy
now
in
July.
Who
knows
when
that
updated
schedule
will
come
out
from
the
law?
Enforcement
Academy
for
those
nine
cadets
go
to
the
next
Academy.
If
that's
going
to
be
an
October
November,
that's
me
wishful
thinking,
or
they
can
be
pushed
back,
til
January,
February,
March
of
2021.
So
what
I'm
trying
to
get
at
is.
O
Although
we
have
22
22
vacancies
on
paper
right
now
vacant,
we
have
an
additional
12
officers
who
aren't
fully
trained
and
they're,
not
out
on
the
streets
all
by
themselves.
So
an
all
reality,
that's
another
additional
34
officers
that
aren't
out
about
in
the
field,
and
then
on
top
of
that,
you
may
have
an
officer
on
a
shift
that
calls
in
sick.
They
might
be
in
some
type
of
advanced
training.
They
might
be
out
in
some
type
of
Family
Medical
Leave
did
they
have
a
birth
of
a
child?
O
Did
they
have
some
type
of
injury
to
themselves
on
due
to
you're
off
duty?
All
that
has
to
be
taken
into
consideration.
So
it's
not
like
the
police
department,
doesn't
care
about
certain
types
of
situations
or
calls
for
service.
We
take
every
calls
for
service
seriously,
but
when
those
calls
for
service
supersede
the
manpower,
the
allocation
that
we
have,
that's
what's
going
to
slow
things
down.
So
it's
unfortunate
that
that
calls
for
service
took
three
hours
for
us
to
respond
to
and
I'm
not
trying
to
sugarcoat
anything.
O
But
that
is
a
common
occurrence
based
upon
the
culture
service
that
our
officers
respond
to
on
a
daily
basis
where
situations
like
that
do
happen
on
a
daily
basis.
As
of
today
or
even
happening
right
now,
someone
could
have
called
a
police
department
to
say
someone
broke
into
their
home
and
stole
all
their
valuables,
and
that
call
for
service
example
could
have
been
called
in
at
1
p.m.
this
today
and
just
because
the
officers
are
busy
through
day
shifts
and
now
in
a
swing
shift.
A
Ok,
thank
you,
I
think
it's
important
for
to
understand.
I,
guess
you
know
the
push
in
the
pull
of
what
you
all
deal
with
on
a
daily
basis.
Again,
thank
you.
Everyone
for
your
questions,
your
thoughts,
Thank
You,
chief
for
being
here.
Thank
you
for
your
service.
Please
extend
our
thanks
to
your
officers
and
you
know
hope
you'll
hope
you'll
come
back,
and
maybe
we
can
discuss
some
other
things
that
are
of
interest
to
the
community
in
this
committee.
A
Okay,
matters
from
the
committee
all
right
matters
from
the
chair,
I
would
just
let
you
all
know.
Our
next
meeting
is
July
15
and
we
will
get
an
agenda
out
I
think
next
week.
Something
like
that.
So
thank
you
all
really
appreciate
it.
Councillor
Rivera,
you
look
like
you
want
to
say
something
I,
just.