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A
To
long
term,
and
not
only
are
we
committing
to
it
long
term,
we
need
to
have
the
plan
on.
How
are
we
going
to
pay
for
it
because
you've
got
the
price
tag,
but
then
how
are
you
going
to
pay
for
that
price
tag
and,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
what's
listed
here
is
a
price
tag
of
53
million
dollars
with
us
saying
we're
going
to
bring
29
million
dollars
to
the
table
and
those
numbers
don't
match
up
to
me
and
so
I
think
again,
I.
B
A
D
F
I'm
an
abstain
just
based
on
the
conversation
that
just
occurred.
Thank
you.
A
C
Much
okay,
so
we
have
completed
the
thank
you.
Staff
for
being
here.
We've
completed
a
consent
agenda.
We
are
moving
on
to
our
action
item,
so
this
is
a
consideration
of
a
resolution
sponsored
by
mayor
Weber,
councilor,
Chavez,
councilor,
mayor
worth,
counselor,
cassette
and
I
also
believe
councilor
Lindell,
although
it
is
not
listed
in
the
caption,
but
it
is
on
the
on
the
resolution.
C
C
So
this
item
was
postponed
from
our
previous
meeting
and
pulled
on
to
discussion.
Is
there
a
number
of
questions
and
I
will
go
ahead
and
turn
to
the
committee
for
whoever
would
like
to
get
started?
A
A
I
know
that
there's
been
some
communication
sent
to
us
earlier
regarding
that
specific
topic
and
I'm
still
trying
to
get
my
head
wrapped
around
how
the
interpretation
is
that
we
are
not
regulating
firearms,
because
if
you
look
up
the
definition
of
Regulation,
it
talks
about
rulemaking
and
law
making
and
by
proposal
in
front
of
us
I'm
trying
to
understand
how.
A
G
G
So
the
starting
point
is
this:
is
a
resolution
so
resolutions
don't
govern
the
public,
so
there's
a
state
statute
that
already
applies
to
these
facilities
and
the
only
thing
the
resolution
does
is
identify
the
ones
the
council
is
aware
of
now
and
asks
the
city
manager
or
directs
the
city
manager
to
put
up
signage,
identifying
those
for
the
public,
so
that
they'll
have
a
better
idea,
because
the
definition-
it's
not
clear
when
a
public
walks
up
to
some
of
these
buildings
that
they
are
used
for
public
school,
sanctioned
events.
G
Counselor
Cassat
chair
cassette,
counselor
Garcia.
No,
it
is
not.
A
So
the
rule
already
exists,
no
no
I
understand,
but
but-
and
so
let
I
guess,
let's,
let's
take
two
steps
back
because
there,
as
you
mentioned,
there's
already
a
state
statute
that
allows
for
firearms
to
not
and
I.
Don't
have
language
in
front
of
me:
I
apologize,
but
it
to
the
effects
it
allows
for
certain
spaces
outside
of
public
schools,
to
prohibit
firms
and,
and
so.
G
A
Okay,
but
let's
for
now,
let's
focus
not
on
the
courts.
Let's
focus
on
the
current
statute
cited
and
the
resolution,
which
is
discussing
schools
and
it
says
spaces
and
and
I
apologize
I
know
I
had
it
pulled
up,
but
there
there
is
a
law
already
on
the
books
and-
and
so
my
question
is
Why
Us
not
taking
by
us
taking
action
proposed
in
the
resolution.
A
The
way
I
interpret
it
is
that
we
are
now
enforcing
Allah,
which
then
dovetails
into
regulation.
It's
it's.
You
can't
have
one
without
the
other.
You
can't
you
can't
install
a
sign
whether
it's
prohibiting
Firearms
or
saying
no
running
near
the
pool,
because
those
become
rules
of
the
space.
It's
it's
it's.
It
sets
the
regulation
of
that
space.
G
G
I
disagree
with
that
premise
that
absolutely
I
don't
know
where
you're
getting
that
from.
If
you
have
anything
that
says
that
I'd
love
to
see
it,
that
is
not
how
law
is
created
was
created
by
going
through
the
public
process.
This
already
is
in
existence.
The
city
manager
could
put
up
these
signs
now.
A
G
A
A
If
we,
let's-
let's
hypothetically,
say
there-
was
a
dance
going
on
at
the
convention
center
is
being
utilized
by
the
school
or
a
debate
whatever
it
was,
a
school
function,
the
way
the
current
law
works
is
that
automatically
becomes
a
gun-free
zone.
The
way
the
current
law
sits
that
automatically
it
becomes
a
gun-free
zone.
What
we're
proposing
with
this
resolution
is
to
take
it
an
additional
step
and
the
city
began
to
regulate
they.
Then
the
city
then
takes
that
additional
step.
There's
already
a
law
in
place.
A
We've
established
that
you
established
it
in
the
resolution.
What
the
current
resolution
does
it?
It
takes
it
an
additional
step
and
it
extends
it
and
begins
to
regulate
it,
and,
as
I
mentioned
in
our
last
meeting,
it's
clearly
defined
in
our
state
constitution
that
we
don't
have
the
authority
to
regulate
and
I.
Think
that's
where
my
concern
is
that.
A
We
are
heading
down
the
wrong
path,
because
if
we
want
to
begin
to
regulate
firearms,
we
should
be
aiming
all
of
our
energy
effort
resources
to
changing
the
law,
not
circumventing
the
law,
because
I
think
what
is
going
to
happen,
and
it's
proven
with
the
Albuquerque
citation
you
mentioned
in
your
email,
it
will
come
to
litigation.
There
will
be
litigation
on
this
and
I
think
the
moving
forward
with
the
premise.
Well,
then,
let's
challenge
us-
or
you
know,
with
the
unfortunate
language
that
our
mayor
used
in
an
email
through
his
political
action
committee.
A
Let
us
get
caught
trying
that
is
the
wrong
type
of
mentality
we
should
be
having.
We
shouldn't
be
having
the
mentality
of
let
us
get
trying
to
violate
the
state
constitution.
The
mentality
should
be.
How
can
we
change
the
law
to
better
protect
our
community
and
I?
Think
that's.
The
concern
I
have
here
is:
we
are
in
some
senses
saying,
take
us
to
court,
we'll
fight
it
in
court
and
we'll
have
this
never-ending
battle
and
who
ultimately
has
to
pay
that
the
taxpayers
and
I
think
if
we
feel
so
strongly
about
this.
A
One
of
our
main
priorities
as
a
city
government
is,
is
to
ensure
every
member
of
our
community
is
safe.
School-Aged
children,
people
that
go
to
churches,
people
that
go
to
restaurants,
people
that
go
to
grocery
stores,
people
that
go
to
worship,
centers,
every
single
space,
where
these
mass
shootings
have
happened.
We
need
to
ensure
that
they're
safe
spaces,
that's
where
we
should
be
focusing
our
energy
and
effort
on.
A
So
I
guess
my
next
question
is:
since
resolutions
don't
have
the
authority
to
carry
out
the
enforcement
of
law,
then
then
what
weight
does
this
carry?
Because,
as
it's
been
mentioned
by
our
office
in
the
past,
Madam
City
attorney
resolutions
can
be
dismissed
by
staff
because
ultimately,
it
is
the
will
of
the
governing
body.
It's
the
opinion
of
the
governing
body,
and
we
are,
we
are
through
this
resolution.
We
are
saying
we
are
going
to
enforce
the
law
and
so
I
guess.
A
G
Madam
chair
councilor,
Garcia
I'm,
not
aware
of
ever
saying,
resolutions
may
be
dismissed
by
staff.
A
Let's
start
with
that,
it's
it's
been
stated
by
you
and
we
had
a
long
conversation
in
a
prior
governing
body
meeting
about
it.
I
remember.
C
The
point
of
order
we
do
not
if
the
City
attorney
has
stated
that
is
not
her.
C
G
And
even
if
I
don't
set
the
record
straight,
please
don't
speak
on
my
behalf.
A
C
Moving
on
City
attorney
mcsherry,
please
answer
the.
If
you
can
please
answer
the
question.
G
A
Know
what
you
mean
by
that
by
installing
a
sign
notifying
the
public,
whether
it's
this
instance
of
no
guns
or
a
speed
limit
sign,
you're,
saying
a
sign
does
not
reinforce
the
law.
G
A
A
Enforce
a
current
standing
law
so
that
to
me
is
very
concerning
some
of
the
statements
you
just
made.
G
A
C
Used
the
word
I
believe
the
inference
that
this
resolution
that
the
motivation
behind
this
resolution
is
to
to
manipulate
the
law,
which
it
is
not
the
motivation
of
the
sponsors
of
this
resolution
to
manipulate
the
law.
So
I
think
that
is
the
inference.
Now
you
may
say
that
you
feel
that
this
is
a
manipulation
of
the
law,
but
it
is
the
inference
that
that
is
what
the
intention
behind
the
the
resolution
is.
As
my
understanding,
if
I
am
providing
clarification,.
G
Madam,
chair
counselor,
Garcia
I
again
disagree
with
your
premise.
I
see
no
reason
why
this
has
any
relationship
with
the
ban
on
municipalities
regulating
firearms.
A
G
G
G
C
Okay,
I
have
not
no
as
a
co-sponsor
I
have
not,
and
I
have
not
been
informed
of
any
other.
Whether
or
not
any
other
sponsors
have
that
conversation.
B
B
It
seems
straight
bored
in
the
sense
that
if
students
of
schools
are
present
that
they
would
follow
that
State
statue
and
it
would
be
helpful
for
both
those
that
may
carry
firearms
and
those
that
are
parents
of
students
or
community
members
to
know
which
buildings
are
being
utilized
by
schools
and
why
the
state
statute
is
being
practiced
within
that
or
being
aware
that
it
would
apply
to
them.
But
I
haven't
had
a
direct
conversation
with
anyone
at
Santa,
Fe,
Public,
Schools.
A
It's
their
students,
we're
trying
to
protect
with
this
resolution
and
I
would
and
I
would
think
that
we
would
be
collaboratively
working
with
them
to
identify
the
various
locations.
So,
given
the
statements
made
I'm
I'm
concerned
regarding
the
the
identified
locations
that
are
in
the
current
resolution,
through
the
fir,
it
allows
for
many
more
locations
to
identify
it
be
identified
through
the
purchase
of
the
signs.
A
I
would
think
that
we
would
be
working
directly
with
the
public
school
system
to
identify
those
locations
in
the
most
in
need
locations
and
to
hear
that
we're
not
working
with
a
major
stakeholder
I'm,
very
disappointed
in
that
I
think
it
again
shows
we're
acting
on
our
own
we're
acting
on
our
own
kind
of
virtue.
Mission
we're
we're
not
really
trying
to
challenge
tackle
the
biggest
challenge
in
front
of
us,
which
is
ensuring
our
community
is
safe,
and
it's
very
disappointing.
I
think
that
and
I'll
reiterate
again.
A
A
A
A
E
B
Thank
you
chair,
so
I
I
agree
with
counselor
Garcia
and
the
fact
that
we
probably
have
to
do
more
to
protect
our
entire
Community.
But
I
do
want
to
say
that
when
we
know
that
there's
a
State
statue
in
place
and
that
we
have
schools,
school
districts
because
I
also
consider
private
schools,
charter
schools
and
public
schools
when
we're
we're.
B
Looking
at
the
State
statue
when
we
know
that
they're
in
partnership
with
us
within
our
facilities
and
this
statute
exists,
that
it
is
our
responsibility
to
properly
identify
the
buildings
that
they
utilize
so
that
communication
of
enforcement
is
clear
when
we're
talking
about
transparency
to
both
the
community,
both
inter
well,
both
those
that
are
in
using
the
facility,
but
the
community
that
surrounds
it.
So
I
actually
think
if
we're
talking
about
transparency
in
that
partnership
and
our
responsibility
in
enforcing
the
state
statute,
that
this
is
an
appropriate
step.
B
What
I
did
want
to
say
is
I
know
that
all
of
the
all
the
Partnerships
or
utilization
of
facilities
by
any
of
our
school
districts
within
Santa
Fe,
the
city
manager,
is
probably
very
well
aware
of
as
it's
a
partnership
within
the
department,
so
I.
Imagine,
as
those
Partnerships
are
developed
with
those
departments.
That
is
how
buildings
will
know.
Buildings
will
be
utilized,
it
is
a
school
sanctioned.
B
The
statute
says
schools
sanctioned
activities,
so
it
would
have
to
be
some
type
of
partnership
with
the
city,
so
whether
it's
used
for
a
school-sanctioned
team,
a
school
sanctioned
dance,
the
school
sanctioned
internship
program,
anything
that
is
school
sanctioned
all
of
that
would
have
to
go
through
the
city.
That
partnership
would
be
known,
I'm
sure
there
would
be
different
jpas
and
all
of
those
things
that
solidify
that
partnership,
so
I
think
keeping
track
of
the
buildings
that
were
util.
That
our
youth
are
utilizing
is
quite
easy.
Is
that
accurate
city
manager
or
can.
G
I
just
make
one
clarification
it's
ancient
and
related,
so
it
is
a
little
bit
broader.
I
think
a
lot
of
the
places
listed
are
ones
where
there's
sanctioned
as
well
as
related,
but
it
is
a
little
bit
broader
than
that
as
well.
G
So,
for
example,
one
of
the
one
of
the
listed
and
I
think
the
only
one
that's
maybe
related
rather
than
sanctioned-
is
the
mayor's
youth
Advisory
board
and
the
current
resolution,
and
they
have
had
agenda
items
related
to
school,
the
school
schools
in
the
city.
So
that
would
be
the
relationship
there,
but
I
think
the
rest
of
the
listed
facilities
do
have
sanctioned
activities
where
it's
in
you
know
an
actual
team
or
field
trip.
That
type
of
thing.
B
B
There
are
facilities,
City
facilities,
that
there
will
not
be
regulation
or
rules,
because
it
doesn't
apply
to
the
state
statute
that
we're
just
trying
to
enforce,
and
so
I
just
wanted,
like
we're
not
coming
up
with
any
new
rules
on
our
own.
It's
literally
communication
to
the
community
that
there's
a
reason
why
their
the
State
statue
would
be
enforced
specifically
within
that
certain
facility.
Is
that
accurate.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I,
thank
you
for
the
dialogue
that
has
just
taken
place
because
it
obviously
brings
forth
my
question
as
to
if
we
were
to
pass
this
resolution
and
once
signs
are
put
up,
how
is
it
enforced?
How
is
this
something?
Is
it
enforced
by
us?
F
What
is
our
intent
is
we're
obviously
trying
to
keep
people
safe,
but
I
was
even
forced
and
how
is
it
gonna
make
people
safer?
That's
what
I
want
to
know.
H
Madam
chair
Council
Garcia,
thank
you
for
the
question.
Our
Police
Department
would
enforce
it,
just
as
they
would
tonight.
If
they're
an
issue
tonight
where
someone
took
a
gun
onto
one
of
these
properties
and
someone
called
the
police
and
said
I
believe
someone's
brought
a
gun
to
the
property.
Our
law
enforcement
would
go
out
and
they
would
enforce
it.
F
E
F
Case
it's
just
my
own
Common
Sense
thought
process
because
posting
the
sign
and
and
doing
these
things
and
again
I
guess
I'm,
alluding
back
to
do.
We
have
the
legal
authority
to
do
this
well,
based
upon
city
attorney's
response
earlier
says:
we
do
I,
think
that
may
be
based
upon
your
opinion,
an
interpretation
of
the
law
and
so
I'm,
not
a
lawyer.
So
I
can't
speak
to
that
I
mean
both.
You
are
lawyers,
and
so
I
can
appreciate
that.
F
F
I
know
that
our
intent
here
is
to
keep
people
safe
and
yet
I
don't
know
that
this
is
something
that
is
going
to
keep
people
safe.
I
think
that
this
is
my
my
thought
process
with
this
is
what
you
are
doing
and
what
we
are
doing
and
again
we're
notifying
people
that
they
should
know
if
you're,
if
you're
a
gun
owner.
F
You
should
know
that
if
you're
going
to
be
in
an
area
where
students
are-
and
it's
a
school
sanction
activity
that
if
you
are
caught
with
a
firearmory
deadly
weapon,
whatever
definition
of
a
deadly
weapon
is
stated,
you
are
susceptible
to
a
fourth
degree.
Felony
and
I
would
assume
that
most
gun
owners
know
this.
F
Okay
will
assign
make
them
think.
Oh
I'm,
sorry
I
have
a
concealed,
carry
I'm
not
going
to
take
my
firearm
into
this
facility.
I
I,
don't
know
that,
and
so
you
know
going
back
to
do.
We
have
the
legal
authority
to
do
this,
and
is
it
going
to
work,
or
are
we
just
spinning
our
Wheels
here,
because
we
could
be
spending
using
utilizing
a
lot
more
of
our
very
precious
time
and
wonderful
Minds
into
making
our
city
better
and
I?
Think
that's
the
direction
that
I
take
with
this
resolution.
F
I?
Don't
I,
don't
want
to
challenge
somebody's
legal
opinion,
but
I
think
that
we
really
do
have
to
take
our
state
constitution,
our
statutes
and
the
laws
that
are
already
on
the
books
and
I.
Don't
know
that
this
resolution
really
solves
any
of
that.
Not
to
mention
it
opens
up.
Us
opens
a
us
as
a
city
up
to
possibly
litigation
from
somebody
who
may
get
caught
in
an
unattended
unintended
consequences
for
breaking
this
rule.
Whatever
you
need.
H
Madam,
chair
Council
Garcia,
if
I
can
answer
it
or
respond
to
a
few
things
there
first,
it
would
be
that
we
feel
quite
confident
in
the
legal
standing
of
the
city.
The
City
of
Albuquerque
has
already
taken
this
step,
we're
not
aware
of
any
litigation
or
anyone
suing
the
City
of
Albuquerque
or
taking
them
to
court
for
this,
and
so
we
feel
very
confident
about
the
standing
that
we
have
with
regard
to
the
legal
Authority.
H
There
is
no
number
of
total
laws
that
the
city
council
could
pass
to
keep
people
from
committing
crimes.
There
are
bad
people
in
this
world
who,
no
matter
how
many
laws
against
murder,
or
rape
or
DWI
or
domestic
violence
people
are
still
going
to
do
evil
things.
That's
no
reason
for
us
to
sort
of
say
well.
Why
don't
we?
Why
do
we
have
murder
laws?
H
People
are
going
to
still
murder,
I
mean
if
we
can't,
you
know
you
know,
I,
don't
know
that
we
suggest
that
we
take
down
all
of
the
speed
limit
signs
in
Santa
Fe,
but
people
should
know
if
they
speed
they're.
You
know
guilty
of
committing
a
crime
and
I
think
you
know
I
appreciate
what
council
Garcia
said
earlier,
there's
a
whole
totality
of
things
that
this
governing
body
and
that
our
state
legislators
and
the
Congress
should
be
doing
to
protect
people
from
gun
violence.
H
This
is
one
of
those
and
we're
excited
the
opportunity,
I
think
to
work
with
all
of
you
to
look
for
more,
but
I
think
that
we
view
this
as
something
that
the
city
can
do
legally
with
the
authority
that
we
have
and
it's
a
step,
that's
not
in
violation
of
the
law,
but
it's
also
not
where
we're
going
to
stop.
This
is
one
of
many
things
to
do,
but
I,
don't
I'm
reluctant
to
sort
of
suggest
that
somehow
a
sign
is
going
to
stop
a
crime.
H
F
Thank
you,
Mr
Blair,
yeah,
I,
still
I
go
back
to.
F
Through
this
resolution,
how
do
we
expect
for
it
to
actually
make
us
safer
and
I
think
this
is
in
this?
In
essence,
not
something
that
will
help.
I
I
really
feel
that
if
we
go
back
to
our
legislatures,
our
state
constitutions
and
and
we
and
we
really
look
at
how
we
can
strengthen
I
guess,
good
legislation
is
not
necessarily
what
I
wanted
to
to
say,
but
at
the
same
time,
I
think
that
there
are
smart
ways
to
go
about
this
and
I.
F
Put
signs
up
is
gonna
help
and
that's
just
where
I
stand
and
so
I
appreciate
all
the
work
that's
been
done
on
this
and
I'll
I'll
yield
the
floor.
D
Video
thank
you,
madam
chair.
In
the
last
Quality
of
Life
meeting,
I
was
just
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around
how
how
we
would
Institute
signage
and,
if
it's
permanent,
because
some
of
these
events
are
or
sanctioned
School
sanctioned
events
are
not
always
in
the
same
place.
They're
also
like
facilities
for
school
interns.
We
were
talking
about
how
not
all
School
interns
are,
and
every
single
I
mean
sorry
City
facility.
D
So
I
was
wanting
to
understand
more
about.
Are
these
permanent
signs
or
do
we
are?
We?
Are
we
utilizing
signs
when
there's
a
specific
event
sanctioned
event
at
a
city,
property.
G
Chair
Cassidy,
councilor
video
thanks
for
the
question
the
language
is
when
there
be
when
the
facilities
are
or
outdoor
areas,
exact
language
but
are
being
used
and
the
same
language
is
used
for
school
facilities
being
operated
by
the
school
board.
So
that
being
is
there
for
both
of
them?
It
seems
to
suggest
that
you
know
during
the
time
period
that
there
there's
an
ongoing
use.
G
So
certainly,
if
we
knew
a
facility
was
no
longer
being
used
for
school,
sanctioned
or
School
related
event,
I
would
recommend
to
the
city
manager
that
he
takes
down
the
sign,
but
I
don't
think
it's
you
know
the
intern
has
entered
and
a
sign
goes
up.
I,
don't
think
that's
the
intent
of
the
statute
that
doesn't
make
any
sense
just
like
it's,
not
the
students
are
currently
being
or
the
facilities
currently
being
operated
by
the
school
board
they're
in
session.
G
That's
how
the
language
reads
for
other
school
facilities
that
that's
not
a
reasonable
way
to
read
that
statute.
So
certainly
if
we
knew
that
we
were
no
longer
going
to
have
interns
in
a
certain
building,
and
that
was
the
only
School
sanctioned
event
or
School
related
event,
then
that
sign
probably
should
come
down.
G
You
know
for
right
now
we
have
interns
on
a
regular
basis
in
both
City
Hall
and
the
municipal
court
that
I'm,
aware
of
and
I
think
many
other
City
facilities
as
well.
But
that's
what
we
need
to
be
able
to
identify
is:
is
this
an
ongoing
use?
If
so,
then
it
makes
sense
to
keep
the
sign
up
if
it's
something
we
know
is
going
to
stop
and
it's
not
an
ongoing
use
and
it
wouldn't
make
sense
to
have
a
sign
there.
G
But
if,
but
if
that
changed,
then
then
certainly
it
wouldn't
make
sense
to
keep
a
sign
up.
I
think
the
resolution
recognizes
that
these
are
ones
we're
aware
of
at
this
at
this
time,
but
that
certainly
could
change.
D
You
know.
Part
of
a
lot
of
our
resolutions
are
very
symbolic.
We've
said
that
before
there
is
a
symbolic
notion
with
this
resolution
about.
D
I.
Certainly,
don't
think
that
by
people
having
guns
it
makes
everyone
safer.
D
There's
a
ton
of
people
that
had
guns
and
nothing
got
a
lot
of
people
died.
A
lot
of
young
people
died.
So
to
me,
having
guns,
even
law-abiding
people,
don't
necessarily
make
us
safer,
so
having
more
gun-free
zones
in
this
case
I
think
it's
because
it's
a
resolution,
it
is
symbolic.
D
I
I
am
the
mindset,
though,
that
we
should
be
trying
everything
possible
to
provide
to
have
our
youth
feel
like
if
they're
going
to
be
in
City
facilities
and
it's
a
school-sanctioned
activity
or
event
that
they've
can
feel
safe.
Knowing
that
that's
prohibited
at
the
at
that
moment,
so
you
know
I
think
we
should.
D
D
So
I
I
mean
that's
really
kind
of
where
I
stand.
It
may
not
solve
everything
but
I
I'm
willing
to
try
and
I
think
you
know
being
in
a
situation.
None
of
you
were
there
when
we
were-
and
this
won't
solve
this
issue
because
it's
related
to
school
and
youth,
but
we
had
someone
that
was
very
threatening
here
in
the
council
chambers
with
the
gun,
and
that
was
terrifying
because
we
really
couldn't
do
anything
about
it
and
that
person
knew
that
and
they
just
were
provoking
us
because
they
knew
they
could
be
here.
D
That
should
never
be
the
case
and
I
hope
that
we
can
change
that
at
the
state
state
level,
because
I
feel
like
there's
times
that
we
are
kind
of
right
out
here
in
the
open,
so
I
think
those
are
all
the
questions
I
had
from
the
last
meeting
and
I
will
yield
the
floor.
Thank.
G
C
So
much
councilwoman
kind
of
kind
of
following
up
a
little
bit
on
on
what
you
were
just
saying
is:
is
the
complexity
of
this
issue
and
how
and
to
what
city
manager
Blair
was
saying
that
that
there
are
a
number
of
situations
of
concerns
of
causes
and
effects
of
gun
violence
that
this
will
not
impact
that
we
do
not
have
the
legal
authority
to
impact
and
and
I
think
that
it's
important
that
we
remember
that
this
is
a
yes
and
situation.
C
So
we
can
do
this,
yes,
and
we
can
also
Lobby
the
state
and
Lobby
the
federal
government
to
make
changes,
but
I
do
think
it
is
important
that
we
we
look
at
you
know
the
concept
of
how
we
challenge
existing
law
I
mean
because
that
it
is
such
an
interesting
conversation.
I
remember
this
was
actually
one
that
came
up
during
one
of
our
forums
at
the
last,
when
I
was
running
for
the
first
time
and
you're
running
for
re-election.
C
It
was
this
concept
of
these
resolutions
and
you
know:
do
they
take
up
too
much
time
and
and
really
this
idea
about?
What
are
the
tools
that
we
have
to
challenge
existing
laws
that
we
would
like
change,
that
we
maybe
don't?
We
don't
have
the
power
to
to
change
them
and
and
what?
What
are
those
Avenues
to
challenge
them?
C
And
while
we
are
not
actually
in
this
one
we're
actually
not
challenging
and
existing
one.
This
one
we're
we're
simply
saying
this
law.
This
existing
law
is
applicable
to
this
scenario,
and
you
know
when
I'm
putting
up
those
signs,
but
but
I
do
think.
I
would
be
curious
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
from
the
perspective,
maybe
the
City
attorney
or
city
manager
about
some
of
the
different
roles
that
we
have
at
our
fingertips
for
for
challenging
existing
law
and
and
kind
of,
as
we
continue
as
city
manager
Blair
mentioned.
You
know.
C
H
Customers
that
don't
have
power
so
we're
getting
we're
getting
there.
Counselor
I
appreciate
that
question.
You
know
I
I,
think,
unfortunately,
having
to
challenge
existing
laws
has
been
fundamental
to
the
notion
of
advancing
civil
rights
in
the
country
and
advancing
public
policy,
and
we
don't
always
have
the
opportunity
just
to
follow
the
law
and
I
think
looking
back
even
to
the
last
100
years,
challenging
existing
laws
helped
us
overturn
segregation.
It
helped
us
get
the
right
for
interracial
marriage.
H
I
think
we
all
know
I'm
talking
about
when
I
say.
Sometimes
we
have
to
get
into
a
little
bit
of
good
trouble
and
that's
the
notion
of
what's
the
case
here
is
if
we
feel
as
strong
as
we
do
about
the
epidemic
of
gun
violence
in
this
country
that
we
now
have
data
that
shows
that
children
are
more
likely
to
die
from
Guns
than
any
other
way
to
die
that
we
know
in
New
Mexico.
It
is
the
third
leading
cause
of
death
among
children.
H
If
we
fundamentally
care
we're
going
to
take
every
opportunity
and
every
action
that
we
can
to
both
put
forward
laws
that
we
know,
we
have
the
legal
authority
to
pass
like
the
one
that
we're
working
on
now
that
we
also
take
the
steps,
on
behalf
of
our
residents,
to
challenge
the
laws
that
we
don't
agree
with
defer
to
the
City
attorney.
If
you
have
something
else
to
add.
G
G
In
this
case,
I
think
you're
talking
about
the
Constitutional
limitation,
at
least
that
would
be
the
primary
limitation
on
municipalities
and
other
local
governments
in
in
the
state
of
New
Mexico,
but
then
there's
also
constitutional
issues
at
the
federal
level
we
just
had
some
recent
case
law
come
out
of
the
U.S
Supreme
Court
within
the
last
six
months,
so
I
think
those
each
have
different
potential
strategies.
So
certainly
the
municipality
can
Advocate
a
change
to
the
constitution
in
New
Mexico.
G
You
know
that
wasn't
the
original
language
in
the
state's
Constitution
and,
in
fact,
there's
some
really
interesting
history
of
the
state
in
terms
of
unregulation
that
existed
before,
we
became
a
state.
So
that's
all
very
interesting
to
look
at
and
and
I
think.
That's
in
probably
the
lowest
hanging
fruit
for
local
governments
in
New
Mexico
would
be
to
look
at
a
change
to
the
New,
Mexico
Constitution
and
then
beyond
that,
there's
potentially
a
lot
that
could
be
done
at
the
federal
level.
C
Thank
you
so
much
for
both
of
you
for
that
that
response,
because
I
know
there
is
a
lot
of
this,
this
interest
in
how
do
we
keep
our
community
safe
and-
and
you
know
this
this
committee,
we
could
have
a
vast
conversation
about
the
many
different
Avenues
by
which
both
we
would
pursue,
whether
it
be
policy
changes,
access
to
Mental,
Health,
Care
opportunities
for
youth
education.
You
know
we
really
this.
This
is
such
a
broad
topic
and
I.
C
Think
one
of
the
one
of
the
challenges
that
we
often
run
into
in
discussing
guns
in
America
is
that
we,
we
kind
of
start
to
pigeonhole
ourselves
of
like
well.
No,
we
have
to.
This
is
the
way
to
go,
and
this
is
the
way
to
go
and
again.
C
This
is
this
is
a
yes
Aunt
and
I
think
that
it
is
important
that
we
look
at
this
from
all
the
the
various
facets
that
that
we
need
to
move
getting
out
of
the
philosophical
conversation,
just
putting
facts
back
on
the
ground
per
the
information
provided
to
us
by
the
City
attorney
currently
and
the
city
manager.
Currently,
this
law
is
applicable
to
many
of
our
city
facilities
and
could
be
enforced
right
now.
C
C
This
really
does
provide
the
opportunity
to
the
public
that
this
is
one
of
those
sites
that
is
applicable,
that
this
law
is
applicable.
Correct
answer,
that's
correct.
Thank
you,
I
think.
That's
a
really
important
piece
and
I
think
that
it
is
also
important
that
we
talk
about.
C
You
know
the
the
variety
of
gun
owners
frequently
when
we're
talking
about
gun
restrictions,
we're
really
thinking
about
individuals
who
the
conversation
starts
to
move
towards
people
that
have
ill
intent.
There
are
many
law
abiding
gun
owners
that
may
not
be
aware
that
these
are
City
facilities
and
that
correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong,
City
attorney,
it
would
not
be
a
defense
if
they
were
to
receive
a
fourth
degree,
felony
charge
that
they
were
unaware
that
this
law
was
applicable.
Is
that
would
that
be
accurate,
foreign.
G
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
been
tried,
I
have
not
researched
that
angle,
but
generally
knowledge
of
a
law
does
not
provided
events.
Okay,.
C
That
is
accurate,
okay,
so
this
does
provide
opportunity
for
law
abiding
gun
over
owners,
which
the
vast
majority
of
them
are
to
know
when
they
are
entering
a
facility
where
they
cannot
be
carrying
a
weapon
and
thereby
not
be
charged
with
a
fourth
degree
felony,
and
simply
because
they
were
unaware
that
this
is
a
place
that
the
law
applies.
C
C
A
lot
of
gun
death,
especially
in
children,
is
accidental
and
so
children
getting
a
hold
of
guns
and
you
know
shooting
them
and
accidentally
killing
themselves
or
killing.
Others
is
something
that
happens
very
frequently
and,
as
you
know,
in
a
lot
of
these
facilities,
we
have
young
kids.
We
have
young
kids
who
do
not
know.
C
C
That
this
is
a
component
of
gun,
death
and
gun
injury
that
we
need
to
remember
and-
and
hopefully
somebody
is
being
responsible
with
their
guns,
but
not
everybody
is
and
and
could
it
could
be
left
out
in
a
place
where
a
student
or
a
young
child
they're?
Often
one
of
the
same
could
in
fact
access
the
gun
and
we
could
have
an
accidental
gun
death.
C
So
I
think
that
that
is
another
piece
that,
as
we're
thinking
about
this
holistically,
the
concept
of
mass
shootings
is
something
that
we,
you
know
we're
inundated
with.
All
the
time
of
you
know
these
purposeful,
violent
acts
that
we
sometimes
forget
that
accidents
happen,
and,
and
that
is
something
that
we
do
want
to
protect
our
youth
against
developmentally
they're,
frontal
cortex,
just
isn't
quite
online,
yet
they
sometimes
don't
do
the
most
intelligent
and
safest
things.
C
So
so
I
think
that
that
is
another
aspect
here
that,
as
we're
thinking
about
the
variety
of
different
ways
that
gun
injury
can
happen,
that
it
is
not
just
not
just
about
intentional
shooting,
and
one
of
the
reason
why
we
want
to
keep
guns
away
from
children
is
simply
because
children,
you
know,
there's
a
reason.
We
don't
let
them
drive
cars
as
well.
It's
just
it's
not
safe.
It
is
not
something
that
they
should
really
have
access
to.
C
So
I
see
that
as
another
reason
why
this
is
something
that
we
should
be
pursuing.
C
I
think
I
think
that's
about
it.
The
main
thing
is
that
you
know
there
really
isn't.
This
is
already
enforceable.
C
This
is
simply
alerting
individuals
to
a
law
that
is
already
applicable
in
these
buildings
because
of
the
the
school
activities
that
do
occur
in
these
buildings
and
for
that
reason,
I
am
supportive
of
both
moving
forward
with
this
resolution
to
provide
that
information
to
the
public
that
these
are
gun-free
zones
as
well
as
how
we
continue
to
look
at
opportunities
on
the
local
level
to
prevent
gun
violence
and
again
that
may
not
be
specific
gun
laws.
C
It
may
be
all
of
the
different
related
factors
that
come
into
play
here,
as
well
as
working
with
the
state
and
federal
delegations
to
look
at
both
specific
gun
laws,
as
well
as
the
the
related
issues
of
how
we
support
a
a
a
safe
Community,
a
safe
country,
and
really
understanding
that
these
are
complex
issues
and
I.
C
Really
I
really
want
to
make
sure
that
that
we
don't
forget
that
you
know
most
gun
owners
are
law-abiding
citizens
and
really
giving
them
the
opportunity
to
know
where
where
the
law
applies
is
important.
So
that
is
all
if
there
are
any
other
questions
comments
from
the
committee
or
is
there
a
motion
from
the
committee?
Oh
counselor,
Lee,
Garcia.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
So
did
we
establish
when
so
through
this
resolution,
signs
will
be
put
up
only
when
Student,
Activity
or
School
sanction
activities
are
taking
place
or
and
then
taken
down
or
some
other
form
of
signage?
That
would
be
a
I
guess
to
the
verbiage
that
only
while
school
activities
are
on
premises.
Will
this
we'll
apply
something
to
that
scene?.
G
Chair
cassette,
counselor
Garcia,
this
resolution
does
does
not
say
that,
but
neither
does
the
statute.
The
statute
gives
two
two
categories
and
it's
when
it's,
when
the
facility
they're
being
operated
by
the
school
board
and
when
they're
being
used
for
school,
sanctioned
or
School
related
activities.
G
So
what
that
seems
to
be
saying
is
during
the
time
period,
meaning
days
weeks
years.
Those
facilities
are
being
used
for
those
reasons,
but
that's
when
guns
are
not
allowed
in
those
facilities.
That's
seems
to
be
the
reasonable
reading
of
that.
So
certainly
I
think
this
was
a
question
earlier
if
we
knew
or
when
we
know
that,
there's
no
longer
those
types
of
activities
in
a
particular
facility
that
seems
like
that
would
be
the
time
to
take
the
sign
down.
F
Thank
you
and
one
last
question:
I
guess
for
you,
since
you
are
the
City
attorney,
this
does
not
go
against
the
legal
right
of
a
gun
owner
to
have
a
firearm
on
us
on
city
property
when
there's
not
or
sanctioning
activities.
G
G
A
Thank
you,
madam
chair
reading,
the
statute.
It
says
any
other
public
buildings
or
grounds,
including
plank,
builds
and
parking
areas
that
are
not
public
school
property
in
or
on
which
Public
School,
related
and
sanctioning
activities
are
being
performed.
So
to
get
back
to
councilor
Garcia's
question,
the
law
would
only
apply.
B
H
A
Because
I
mean
I
would
strongly
encourage
if
we
move
forward
with
this,
that
Dutch
language
be
incorporated
into
the
signage
that
way,
it's
clear
as
day
that
these
become
gun-free
zones
according
to
the
state
statute,
when
these
sanctioned
activities
are
being
performed
and
because
I
think
because
of
the
flux
influx
of
activities
that
take
place
and
sometimes
aren't
taking
place
or
the
common
citizen
to
understand.
When
and
when
not
or
just
see,
the
signage
I
think.
A
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
putting
ourselves
in
a
situation
where,
as
councilwoman
be
real,
it
said
during
the
city
council
meeting.
It's
not
a
school-related
event
unless
we're
giving
a
presentation
to
Championship
soccer
team
or
whatnot,
and
the
individual
does
then
have
that
right
and
I
think
this
is
again
where
I
think
a
little
more
needs
to
be
refined
out.
Should
we
be
moving
forward
with
this
based
off
of
the
current
laws
that
sits
in
the
way
we're
interpreting
it
in
and
and
moving
forward
with
this
thank.
E
G
G
No
chair,
Castaic,
counselors
I
would
just
say
that
the
both
categories-
schools
themselves,
both
use
the
term
being
neither
says
when
those
are
occurring
so
for
schools
themselves.
C
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that,
and
and
I
you
know
my
my
no
to
this
is
not
in
any
means
whatsoever.
Thinking
that
I
I
don't
want
to
keep
somebody
safe,
I.
Just
don't
think
this
is
the
way
they
do
it,
and
it's
not
really
gonna
make
any
impact
on
that.
F
I
I
do
believe
that
there
are
steps
that
need
to
be
done.
That
needs
to
be
taken
to
help
to
make
our
society
safer
and
not
I
believe
comes
in
the
form
of
a
conversation
that
happens
around
the
kitchen
table
conversation
that
happens
around
groups
of
people
and
I.
Think
that,
because
I
believe
that
this
is
not
something
that
would
be
able
to
be
I,
I
I
do
believe
it
goes
against
the
State,
Constitution
and
law,
and
that
those
are
my
feelings,
and
so
that
was
the
reason
for
my
Noble.
C
Okay,
moving
along
any
Matters
from
staff
this
evening,
I
have
no
matter
no
matters.
Madam,
chair,
Thank,
you
Rich,
do
you
have
any.
C
Matters
for
members
of
the
committee:
none
all
right,
no
matters.
For
me.
Our
next
meeting
will
be
Wednesday
January
18th
at
7,
44
PM.
We
are
adjourned.