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A
Okay,
thank
you
joe
ma'am,
at
five
o'clock
we
are
calling
torah.
Maybe
it's
501,
calling
to
order
the
what's
today
november
4th
meeting
of
the
quality
of
life
committee.
Can
I
get
a
a
roll
call?
Please
jennifer.
C
B
A
With
that
we'll
move
on,
are
there
changes
to
the
agenda
tonight?
Jennifer?
No,
there's
not!
Okay!
Great!
Do
we
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
agenda
so
moved?
Second,
and
can
we
get
a
roll
call
on
approval
of
the
agenda?
Please
counselor,
michael.
B
D
E
B
A
A
And
hold
on,
I
haven't,
got
my
little
blue
hand
thing
up
here
there
we
go
counselor
cassette
sanchez.
Sorry
about
that.
Yes,
item,
h,
h,
yes,
okay,
counselor,
vrl,.
A
All
righty
can
we
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
consent
agenda,
as
amended
need
to
approve,
is
amended.
A
Second,
from
counselor
cassette
sanchez,
roll
call,
please
jennifer
councillor.
A
A
Worth
yes,
all
right,
moving
on
then
to
the
approval
of
the
minutes
for
october
21st.
Are
there
any
changes
to
the
minutes
from
the
committee
or
from
staff.
A
Is
there
a
second
second
and
we
need
one
more
roll
call?
Please.
B
A
Yes,
all
right
and
with
that
we
will
move
on
to
presentations.
Marisol
atkins
are
you
on
the
line
there?
You
are
fabulous
all
right,
so
I
just
want
to
get
a
give
a
little
preview.
I
spoke
about
this
at
the
finance
committee
meeting
earlier
this
week
and
I
wanted
just
to
let
everybody
know
that
this
is
the
first
of
what
I
would
consider
several
months,
maybe
four
to
five
months
worth
of
presentations,
centered
around
housing
and
housing
issues
in
the
city
of
santa
fe.
A
We
have
been
planning
out,
we've
been
meeting
with
staff
and
with
advocates-
and
we've
been
talking
about
how
to
shape
these
agendas
over
the
next
four
to
five
months
and
with
the
purpose
of
really
getting
a
sense
of
what
is
happening
in
our
city
around
housing.
We
know
we
struggle
with
particularly
affordable
housing.
We
know
we
have
been
working
on
this
in
the
last
few
years
and
we're
going
to
hear
exactly
what
the
city
has
been
doing.
A
What
and
we're
going
to
hear
about
things
that
are
coming
down
the
pipeline
in
terms
of
more
things
that
we
can
do
to
address
this
issue
and
we'll
be
hearing
from
staff
about
plans
at
the
city,
we'll
be
hearing
from
advocates
and
really
focusing
as
a
committee
on
the
issue
of
housing
and
all
the
the
spectrum
of
of
I
don't
know,
need
and
things
that
we
can
do
to
address
the
issue.
A
So
tonight
I'm
excited
to
get
this
santa
fe,
homeless
and
housing
interim
needs
report
that
marisol
has
been
working
on
and
I
think
it
will
give
us
a
a
good
sense
of
of
what
we're
looking
at
in
this
community
and
it'll
help.
I
hope
provide
some
context
for
the
next
presentation
about
how
we
can
use
some
of
the
cares
act
to
address
affordable
housing
in
santa
fe.
So
with
that
marisol,
I
think-
and
I
don't
know
is
kyra-
is
gonna
join
you
or
your
or
your
solo.
H
Thank
you,
counselor.
Thank
you,
chair,
chair
and
counselors
and
marisol
for
being
here
just
to
put
a
little
context
for
this.
The
new
mexico
coalition
to
end
homelessness
contracted
with
marty
sol
atkins
with
the
ability
to
do
so
was
made
possible
by
a
generous
contribution
from
angkorum
foundation,
and
it's
really
encouraging
that
the
local
foundations
are
taking
a
strong
interest
in
this
issue
that
the
city's
been
working
on
for
for
quite
a
while,
so
maddie
sold
doesn't
need
any
help
from
me,
because
she's
created
an
incredible,
comprehensive
report.
G
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
the
invitation
and
counselor
via
real.
I
apologize
for
repeat
from
last
week
in
large
part
from
the
group
last
week,
but
again
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
here.
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
get
my
spleen.
G
And
just
to
let
you
all
know
if
at
any
point
you
have
questions,
please
speak
up,
it'll
be
hard
for
me
to
see
if
you
do
a
hand
raise
while
I'm
sharing
the
slides,
but
if
you
want
to
just
unmute
yourself
and
speak
up,
I'm
happy
to
have
dialogue
throughout
the
presentation.
G
So
this
presentation
is
a
summary
of
a
larger
report
that
I
completed
last
month.
I
believe
each
of
you
have
received
a
copy
of
that
report
and,
if
not,
I
think
jennifer
has
that
and
can
share
with
the
group
again.
My
name
is
marisol
atkins
and
I
was
contracted
by
the
new
mexico
coalition
to
put
together.
G
Whoops
excuse
me
to
put
together
a
report
based
on
interest
in
knowing
about
the
comprehensive
needs
of
the
housing
and
and
homelessness.
G
Again,
as
kara
mentioned,
this
report
and
the
work
following
is
made
possible
in
part
from
support
from
anchoram,
saint
vincent,
the
mccune
foundation
and
santa
fe
community
foundation.
So
initially
these
organizations
contacted
the
new
mexico
coalition
to
end
homelessness
in
response
to
the
covid
crisis.
G
All
of
the
organizations
mentioned
and
foundations
have
been
providing
support
to
shelters
throughout
the
community
and
other
housing
organizations
specifically
in
response
to
to
covet,
but
they
through
the
work
they
decided
to
get
together
and
and
see
if
they
could
get
a
more
comprehensive
view
of
what's
happening
overall
and
throughout
the
community
and
to
see
if
there
are
ways
that
the
foundations
in
particular,
could
collaborate
with
city,
county
state
and
federal
governments
to
support
initiatives
underway,
and
so
again
the
three
foundations
mentioned
pooled
funds
and
contracted
with
the
coalition
to
end
homelessness.
G
To
put
together
the
original
report
that
was
sent
to
you.
Previous
to
the
meeting,
I
want
to
say
that
there's
been
a
ton
of
work
going
on
in
the
community
for
a
number
of
years,
and
so
the
report
I
I
feel,
was
really
a
collective
action
and-
and
I
couldn't
have
put
it
together
without
the
support
of
of
a
number
of
groups
that
have
been
working
together
and
many
individuals
who
have
been
working
on
this
cause
for
for
decades
now.
G
G
G
And
together,
through
this
collective
effort,
we've
come
up
with
a
vision.
That's
really
states
that
public
and
private
partners
work
collaboratively
with
community
providers
and
advocacy
groups
to
ensure
that
santa
fe
is
a
place
where
homelessness
is
rare,
brief
and
non-recurring,
and
that
access
to
safe,
affordable
and
sustainable
housing
is
a
reality
for
all
community
members
strongly.
We
believe
that
ending
homelessness
in
santa
fe
is
possible
through
our
collective
work,
good
intentions
and
strategy,
strategize
plan
and
move
forward
together
and
again,
just
really
wanting
to
support
the
work.
G
That's
already
been
done
and
appreciate
the
foundation's
understanding
of
the
need
to
partner
with
existing
groups
currently
addressing
this
issue
so
just
to
share
some
of
this
data.
There
was
some
initial
data
in
the
report
that
you
may
have
received
and-
and
this
slide
includes
updated
data-
and
let
me
just
preface
this
with
one
piece
that
there
are
multiple
data
platforms
that
are
in
the
community
and
collecting
data
regarding
homelessness,
and
this
is
both
a
blessing
and
a
challenge.
G
One
of
the
items
we've
identified
as
needing
additional
support
is
around
streamlining
data,
so
this
particular
slide
includes
information
from
the
coordinated
entry
system
at
the
new
mexico
coalition
to
end
homelessness,
and
I
just
want
to
state
that
there
are
folks
within
that
are
homeless
within
the
community
who
are
not
currently
captured
in
this
data,
and
so
this
is
really
an
under
representation
of
actual
need
and
as
we
look
at
system
needs
specifically
around
infrastructure.
G
G
You
can
see
the
breakdown
between
individuals,
families
and
youth,
and
youth
in
this
case
are
considered.
Those
who
are
24
and
under
of
those
100
259
households,
182,
are
deemed
chronically
homeless
and
the
definition
of
chronic
homelessness
is
two-fold.
It
requires,
and
this
is
a
hud
definition.
G
A
G
Thank
you
and
again.
We
believe
that
to
be
an
under
estimation,
just
because,
overall
there
are,
a
number
of
homelessness
is
generally
under
reported
in
general,
but
and
we're
working
on
getting
better
numbers
specific
to
our
community.
G
In
addition
to
the
coordinated
entry
system
data,
we
have
information
here
from
the
santa
fe
connect
program
that
I'm
sure
you
all
are
familiar
with.
It's
both
the
city
and
the
county
program.
G
We
just
looking
at
trends
that
this
particular
slide
just
speaks
specifically
to
july
through
september
of
2020,
so
there
were
239
individuals
that
requested
support
specific
to
housing
and
shelter.
You
can
see
in
the
breakdown
115
of
those
folks
needed
emergency
shelter.
Others
are
looking
for
permanent
housing
as
well
as
rent
and
mortgage
payment
assistance,
in
addition
to
the
immediate
and
existing
homeless
populations
and
folks
needing
supports
regarding
housing,
it's
really
important
to
look
at
the
issue
of
affordable
housing.
G
I
think,
as
was
mentioned
earlier,
as
you
can
see
by
this
table-
and
this
is
a
little
bit
dated
information,
but
in
2018
35,
I'm
sorry,
96
percent
of
our
low
to
moderate
income
households
are
were
determined
to
be
housing.
Burdened
which
means
that
they're
paying
more
than
30
percent
of
their
monthly
income
in
rent
and
these.
G
G
G
We
have
high
rates
and
we've
seen
these
rates
growing
over
covet
of
individuals
who
are
experiencing
domestic
violence
currently
or
who
are
fleeing
domestic
violence
or
with
histories
of
domestic
violence
amongst
the
folks
who
are
chronically
homeless.
There's
a
significant
rate
of
mental
illness
and
co-occurring
substance
misuse
and
trauma
really
is
at
the
at
the
base
of
so
many
of
these
other
items
that
have
been
discussed.
G
G
So,
in
order
to
have
an
optimal
response
system
to
homelessness,
we
need
these
various
pieces
and
and
I'll
say
we
have
some
degree
of
each
of
these
components
in
our
current
system,
but
not
enough
and
there
may
not
be
as
gelled
together
as
we
would
like
them
to
be
so.
Coordinated
entry
is
really
that
front
door
entrance.
G
It
allows
us
this
is
currently
sitting
at
the
new
mexico
coalition
to
end
homelessness
and
it's
a
process
by
where
people
are
screened
and
evaluated
for
current
homelessness
and
categories
based
on
on
head
definitions,
and
so
this,
this
coordinated
entry
piece
is
critical
to
us
as
a
community
having
access
to
clean
data
and
really
having
a
clear
understanding
as
to
actual
numbers
of
households
within
the
community
that
are
either
literally
homeless
or
at
risk.
G
Obviously,
the
ultimate
goal
is
to
support
folks
in
becoming
self-sufficient
and
so
supportive
services,
life
skills,
education
and
employment
are
critical
and
without
an
umbrella
of
affordable
housing.
None
of
these
other
programs
can
really
function
at
capacity
because
we
need
access
to
affordable
housing
units
to
provide
these
various
types
of
housing
programs.
G
So
again,
significant
numbers
of
households
in
santa
fe
have
been
rent
burden
for
many
years.
This
is
not
a
new
issue
and
due
to
cova,
many
households
have
been
unable
to
pay
their
existing
rents
and
mortgages
due
to
loss
of
employment.
So
we
do
need
access
to
programs
that
help
with
rental
and
mortgage
arrears.
G
G
G
In
the
in
the
area
of
individual
and
program
vouchers,
we
need
again
emergency
shelter
in
a
non-coveted
environment.
It's
believed
that,
with
our
current
shelter
capacity,
we
have
sufficient
bed
nights.
However,
and
let
me
just
say,
emergency
shelters
are
really
intended
to
be
very
short-term
stays
from
30
to
90
days,
during
which
time
assessments
and
screenings
would
take
in
a
perfect
world
take
place
and
efforts
would
be
made
to
move
folks
needing
immediate
shelter
into
more
permanent
housing
situations.
G
Given
the
covid
crisis
and
the
reduced
capacity
within
each
of
the
shelters
we're
needing
additional
vouchers
for
hotels
and
motels,
so
that
people
can
be
safely
housed
during
the
winter
months.
G
In
addition,
we
need
transitional
housing,
and
this
model
really
is
a
transitional.
Housing
is
a
a
program
that
can
be
from
18
to
24
months
and
in
this
particular
model,
the
lease
or
the
building
is
held
in
the
name
of
the
provider
agency.
So,
let's,
let's
say
esperanza
shelter
decides
to
lease
a
building.
G
They
would
provide
transitional
housing
for
18
to
24
months,
but
the
lease
of
that
building
would
be
in
their
name
and
they
would
move
the
residents
in
there
and
they
would
stay
part-time
again
until
they
could
become
self-sufficient
and
get
their
own
unit.
Rapid
re-housing
is
similar
to
transitional
housing.
G
However,
in
the
rapidly
housing
model
the
lease
is
held
in
the
name
of
the
tenant,
and
then
the
provider
agency
would
provide
rent
subsidy
for
24
to
36
months
to
help
support
that
tenant
in
their
individual
unit
and
as
the
individual
household's
ability
to
pay
in
rent
goes
up
through
employment
or
supportive
services.
G
Then
the
program,
that's
providing
the
rapid
rehousing
support
would
be
reducing
the
amount
that
they're
providing
each
month
with
the
end
goal
of
the
household
being
able
to
stay
in
the
particular
unit
and
pay
the
full
rent
on
their
own
at
the
end
of
a
24-36
month
stay
and
we
believe,
with
the
current
just
existing
current
homeless
households,
we
would
need
a
minimum
of
200
units
of
rapidly
housing
to
support
the
current
homeless
population
in
our
community.
G
Permanent
supportive
housing
doesn't
really
have
a
timeline.
This
is
a
program
model,
that's
specific
to
the
chronically
homeless.
Folks,
this
again,
it's
a
longer
term
housing
program
and
it
includes
extensive
wraparound
services
such
as
behavioral
health
case
management,
life
skills,
and
so
this
is
more
of
a
longer
term
housing
model.
G
G
Pre-Coveted
support
dollars
had
one
case
manager
for
128
beds.
In
a
really
perfect
world,
there
would
be
one
case
manager
per
10,
youth
and
one
for
15
adults
and
the
case
manager
really
serves
as
that
support
liaison
to
help
the
individual
in
need
connect
with
other
services
such
as
behavioral
health
or
employment
or
education.
G
This
not
only
helps
support
the
individual
to
maintain
shelter
within
the
hotel,
but
it
also
helps
support
the
relationships
between
the
hotel
owners
and
the
individuals
that
are
being
sheltered
there
in
hotels
during
during
the
current
crisis,
of
course,
behavioral
health,
medical
services,
employment
and
these
other
supportive
services
are
critical
to
moving
individuals
and
families
from
homelessness
to
self-sufficiency.
G
And
and
finally,
we
really
need
significant
infrastructure
around
coordination
and
alignment.
I've
said
this
a
couple
different
metaphors
I
like
to
use,
but
we
one
is
the
quilt.
I
see
that
we
have
a
lot
of
the
patchwork
for
the
quilt,
but
we
need
the
golden
thread
to
help
bring
all
of
these
different
pieces
of
the
housing
continuum
together
in
a
systemic
way
that
really
maximizes
efficiencies
and
current
resources.
G
In
order
to
do
that,
we
need
better
participation
in
the
coordinated
entry
system.
As
I
mentioned,
that
really
is
the
system
that's
set
up
to
to
track
data
and
and
really
help
see
movement
throughout
the
system,
but
not
all
of
the
community
providers
are
currently
utilizing
the
coordinated
entry
system.
So
we
need
additional
support
to
ensure
that
all
programs
in
the
community
are
participating
in
coordinated
entry.
G
Currently,
each
of
the
housing
organizations
is
doing
their
own
outreach
to
hotels
and
motels
and
landlords
in
the
community,
and
it
would
be
great
to
have
a
system
hub
or
a
system
point
person
or
people
who
could
really
take
note
of
current
inventory,
both
within
hotels
and
within
apartment
and
housing
complexes
throughout
the
community
and
finally
flexible
funds.
While
there
are
a
number
of
funding
sources,
federal
city
and
county
as
well
as
state,
a
lot
of
these
funding
sources
are
are
tied
to
strict
regulations
and
oftentimes
having
access
to
flex.
G
So
again,
in
addition
to
the
report,
we
had
a
community-wide
collaborative
strategic
planning
meeting
on
october
16th
we've
received
a
lot
of
positive
feedback.
A
number
of
you
who
are
a
couple
of
you
who
are
on
this
call
now
were
present
for
that
meeting.
We
had
nearly
50
representatives
throughout
the
community
present
and
we've
received
positive
feedback
from
that.
G
So
we're
working
to
replicate
that
meeting
structure
for
at
least
the
next
three
months
we
had
a
large
group
meeting
and
then
we
broke
out
into
working
groups
based
on
the
six
areas
of
identified
need
that
I
spoke
to
previously
through
that
work.
We've
developed
a
collaborative
strategy
for
a
long-term,
coordinated
housing
system
document.
I'm
sorry,
that's
a
mouthful,
but
through
in
each
of
those
six
areas
of
need.
G
We've
identified
one
goal
for
year,
one
and
a
number
of
actions
that
are
that
are
being
worked
on
or
desired,
to
be
worked
on
over
the
course
of
the
next
year,
we're
going
to
continue
to
review
data
across
platforms
and
programs
so
that
we
can
get
a
better
sense
of
actual
need
and,
of
course,
we're
going
to
support
the
most.
G
The
immediate
needs
of
the
most
vulnerable
residents
through
these
winter
months
through
the
collaborative
work,
we're
also
really
trying
to
see
what
what's
the
best
structure
I
think
as
kira
and
others
can
attest
in
any
one
week.
There
can
be
six
to
eight
meetings
on
housing,
and
so
we're
really
looking
to
see.
How
can
we
put
a
structure
in
place
that
maximizes
people's
time
and
expertise
and
it
really
builds
upon
local
experience
and
identification
of
need.
G
I
think
my
role
here
really
is
just
to
bring
various
pieces
together
and
put
things
together
in
a
collective
manner,
but
I
will
say
that
we
have
just
a
number
of
local
individuals
and
organizations
who
really
are
experts
in
their
particular
areas,
and
I
think
if
we
could
really
maximize.
G
Individual
passion,
expertise
and
experience
and
bring
it
together
in
a
collective
package.
We
really
do
have
the
foundation
for
for
ending
homelessness
in
santa
fe
and
just
finally
for
consideration.
I
think,
in
the
system
infrastructure
groups
we're
really
looking
at
the
need
to
further
explore
long-term,
affordable
housing
funding
through
revenue
sources
that
are
permanent
and
stable,
and
I
know
that
the
city
of
santa
fe
has
a
affordable
housing
trust
fund
and
the
county
of
santa
fe
county
is
working
on
establishing
an
affordable
housing
trust
fund
to
really
have
an
optimal
system.
G
We
need
to
have
three
to
five
million
dollars
per
year
in
these.
In
these
trust
funds
to
be
able
to
meet
the
needs
both
current
and
impending,
we
need
the
permanent
and
dedicated
funding
source.
I
think
we're
currently
we're
we're
trying
to
pick
and
pull
from
different
places,
but
but
knowing
that
we,
as
a
community
have
a
committed
and
stable
source
of
funding
to
address
housing
needs
over
the
next
three
to
five
years
would
be
huge
in
helping
the
planning
activities.
G
So
with
that,
you
know,
I
think
what
I've
really
learned
through
this
process
is
that
we
are
stronger
together
in
times
of
crisis,
the
wise
build
bridges,
as
was
stated
in
the
black
panther
movie,
and
I
think
we're
moving
toward
that
as
a
group
and
I'm
just
very
grateful
for
all
of
the
input
and
willingness
to
continue
moving
forward
together.
That's
been
illustrated
by
a
number
of
folks
working
with
the
city,
as
well
as
the
foundations
and
local
providers
throughout
the
community.
G
A
E
G
G
Yes,
absolutely
I
mentioned
it
early
on,
but
didn't
get
into
it
too
detailed.
But
yes,
this
this
effort
that
I
just
presented
on
is
really
building
upon
the
built
for
zero
work
and
again
work.
That's
been
done
throughout
the
community,
we're
meeting
on
a
regular
basis
and
a
lot
of
the
recommendations.
Actually
that
came
forward
in
this
report.
Around
system
infrastructure,
specifically
around
unified
data
gathering,
is,
is
really
upon
the
built
for
zero
model.
G
One
of
the
and
carat
jump
in
as
you'd
like,
but
one
of
the
foundational
pieces
of
built
for
xero
is,
is
the
ability
to
develop
a
by
name
list
so
that
we
actually
have
a
list
of
by
name
of
individual
households
within
the
community
that
are
currently
homeless
and
needing
support
and
then
helping
to
move
one
by
one,
each
of
those
households
into
more
permanent
housing
settings.
G
Community
solutions
is
a
national
organization.
I
believe
that's
working
with
the
built
for
zero
team
here
in
santa
fe
and
they've
been
providing
a
lot
of
expertise
for
this
group
and
they're
participating
in
these
collaborative
working
groups
and
and
the
collective
strategy
planning
that
we're
working
on
here
and
they've
they've
been
a
huge
resource
as
we
move
this.
E
Work
forward
all
right,
and
do
you
think
in
your
studies
or
your
questions
of
members
in
the
community
that
there
are
people
out
there
that
prefer
to
be
homeless
and
aren't
looking
for
a
home?
And
do
you
know
what
percentage
that
might
be.
G
I
would
say:
yes,
that
is
the
case.
There
are
definitely
folks
who
choose
not
to
be
housed
in
terms
of
numbers.
I
don't
know
the
exact
numbers
that'd
be
hard
to
estimate
at
this
time,
and
again,
like
I
mentioned,
I
mean
housing
is
a
choice,
and
so
we
have
to
honor
where
people
are
and
what
their
personal
desires
are.
G
In
addition
to
the
shelter,
there
are
definitely
folks-
and
this
is
another
piece
that
came
up
as
we
met
last
week-
that
for
those
folks
who
choose
not
to
be
sheltered
and
housed
at
this
time,
the
various
shelters
are
working
together
to
ensure
that
there
are
sleeping
bags
and
tents
and
things
that
are
made
available
for
folks
who
choose
to
remain
homeless
in
terms
of
numbers.
G
I
really
couldn't
tell
you
that
at
this
point,
one
of
the
things
that
we're
looking
to
strengthen
within
the
system
is
street
outreach,
which
is
really
actively
seeking
folks
who
are
currently
homeless.
Who
may
not
be
in
in
the
system,
and
I
don't
want
to
say,
there's
street
outreach
is
not
currently
taking
place,
but
I
don't
think
it's
taking
place
in
the
way
in
which
the
built
for
xero
model
and
others
would
like
it
to
be
taking
place.
And
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we're
looking
to
strengthen.
G
G
Who
may
simply
want
to
come
and
receive
a
meal
or
take
a
shower,
and
I
think,
as
those
those
plans
get
further
implemented,
we
may
be
able
to
gather,
and
the
hope
is
that
it
will
gather
more
data
on
those
particular
individuals.
A
I
have
a
just
two
quick
things.
You
said
that
the
county
was
creating
an
affordable
housing
trust
fund
and
that
we
need
something
around
three
to
five
million
dollars
per
year
in
kind
of
steady
funding
stream
curious,
if,
if
that's
city
and
county
combined
or
to
each
two,
each.
G
Okay,
I
think
that
the
three
million
is
the
number
really
that
the
city
is
looking
to
have
as
as
being
in
need
and
then
the
the
county.
They
have
not
yet
established
that
fund,
but
they're
working
on
that
and
have
plans
for
that
over
the
next
year
and
they
have
a
goal
of
5
million
again,
there's
a
number
of
different
ways
that
that
funds
can
be
generated
for
that
particular
housing
trust
fund
in
both
the
city
and
the
county.
G
But
but
yes,
you
know,
as
you
can
see,
the
need
is
huge
and-
and
I'm
sorry
to
be
so
direct,
but
I
think
the
issue
of
housing.
While
efforts
have
taken
place,
it's
really
been
neglected
for
for
a
couple
of
decades
in
the
community.
These
issues,
especially
around
affordable
housing,
have
been
present
for
a
long
time,
and
you
know
in
interviewing
the
various
folks
they
seem
a
little
bit
depleted
and
feeling
defeated
as
though
nothing's
going
to
change.
I
know,
20
years
ago,
when
I
came
back
to
new
mexico,
a
big
statewide
gaps.
G
Analysis
had
been
completed
and
at
that
time
the
three
top
priorities
identified
were
housing,
transportation
and
behavioral
health
fast
forward
20
years
we
do
another
gaps,
analysis,
the
three
things
that
are
needed
are
housing,
transportation
and
behavioral
health.
So
we,
however,
I
am
hopeful
and
I
think
the
one
thing
that
silver
lining
in
this
awful
pandemic
is
that
in
the
20
years
I've
been
here
working
in
social
services.
G
I've
I've
not
seen
this
level
of
interest
and
intention
and
collaboration
around
identify
addressing
the
housing
crisis,
and
so
I'm
hopeful
that
this
may
be
our
opportunity
to
move
things
forward.
The
long
answer
lost
three
million
and
five
million.
A
Great
because,
but
the
last
numbers
I
had
were
one
and
two,
so
it's
nice
to
have
an
up
an
updated
number,
just
real,
quick
and
then
we
do
have
to
move
on.
When
you
look
at
people
who
don't
want
to
be
housed,
does
anybody
do
any?
I
don't
know
what
for
lack
of
a
better
word,
interviewing
of
why
they
prefer
not
to
be
housed.
I
mean.
A
Maybe
they
have
I'm
just
guessing
a
sense
about
what
that
would
mean,
and,
and
you
know,
if
you
could
meet
them
on
their
terms,
maybe
they
see
the
benefit
of
being
housed
so,
but
you
know
it's
yeah.
I
know
that
when
they
go
to
shelters,
you
know
there
are
a
lot
of
rules,
maybe
they
chafe
under
that
and
if
they
understood
that
there
was
some
some
way
to
meet
their
needs
in
a
way
that
was
acceptable
to
them.
They
might
choose
a
different
path,
just
curious.
G
Know
I
think
the
key
to
moving
someone
from
not
wanting
to
be
housed
to
being
housed
really
is
relationships
right
and
trust,
and
I
would
say
the
main
reason
folks
choose
not
to
be
housed
is
because
they're
fearful
and
they
don't
trust
in
the
system
and
a
landlord.
I
have
one
example:
that's
super
recent.
G
A
woman,
an
elderly
woman
who's
been
living
in
her
van
for
a
long
time
and
she's
been
offered
housing
and
she's
fearful
of
it.
She
doesn't
trust,
she's
afraid
of
what
might
happen
to
her
if
she
goes
into
a
shelter
and
rightfully
so,
especially
for
women,
I
think
shelters
are
not
always
the
safest
place.
G
She
was
trapped
in
a
parking
lot
that
was
really
scary
for
her
and
more
people
were
starting
to
come
to
that,
and
so
what
this
staff
member
did
was
raise
money
to
buy
her
a
new
van
and
she
got
a
new
van
last
week
and
that's
where
she
chooses
to
live
so
it.
It
really
makes
sense
about
individual
choice
but,
like
I
said,
and
that's
again
where
those
flex
dollars
are
critical.
A
Yeah
makes
sense
all
right.
Well,
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
Thank
you
for
your
work.
I
do
think
we
have
been
doing
some
things
at
the
city.
I
think,
as
you
say,
there's
a
there's,
a
lot
of
focus
and
attention
and
willingness
to
to
try
to
do
more.
So
I
appreciate
all
the
work
that
you're
putting
in
and
thanks
for
being
here
tonight.
I
appreciate
it.
No.
G
Thank
you
and
just
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
kara
she's
done
an
excellent
job
and
really
working
with
the
foundations.
It
was
in
large
part
and
alexandra
there.
You
are
in
large
part
due
to
their
leadership.
G
These
various
foundations
are
are
getting
into
the
mix
and
are
wanting
to
help
support,
and
so
you
have
excellent
staff
at
the
city,
whose
passion
and
expertise
and
will
are
very
apparent.
So
just
shout
out,
and
thank
you
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Questions
feel
free
to
contact
me
and
I
appreciate
the
opportunity.
Thank
you
all
for
your.
A
Hard
work,
great.
Thank
you
thanks
for
being
here
with
that
we're
going
to
move
on
to
our
next
presentation.
A
discussion
on
proposed
use
of
cares,
acts,
funds
for
an
extended
stay
hotel
property
to
be
owned
and
operated
by
the
housing
trust,
and
tonight
we
have
alexandra
ladd
joining
us
and
I
believe
kyra
is
still
with
us.
Yes,
you
are
there,
you
are-
and
I
don't
know
which
one
of
you
wants
to
start
this
off
alex.
A
I
Madam
chair,
thank
you,
members
of
the
committee.
If
I
I'll
share
my
screen,
we
put
together
a
slide
deck
because
we
might
be
a
little
bit
more
engaging
than
yet
another
memo
for
you
guys
to
have
to
read.
So
let
me
get
that
going.
I
All
right
can
everybody
see
the
title
slide
great.
So
I'm
going
to
read
this
subtitle
and
then
I
promise
I
won't
read
any
other
any
other
text
on
the
slides
after
that,
but
I
think
this
is
really
important.
I
I
It's
not
going
to
solve
the
whole
problem,
but
it
what
what
I'm
going
to
talk
about
tonight
is
a
model
for
really
creating
an
entire
approach
and
business
model
for
doing
these
kinds
of
projects
and
really
addressing
the
needs
of
the
folks
that
marisol
was
was
talking
about
as
well
as
people
in
our
workforce
who
just
can't
compete
in
our
housing
market
and
marisol's
report
goes
into
all
of
this.
I
And
it
happened
almost
overnight
and
as
a
result
of
that
action-
and
this
is
something
people
have
been
saying
to
me
for
years.
Like
use
the
dorms
of
the
campus
to
house
people-
and
I
was
no-
no
that'll-
never
work
well,
it
is
working
and
what
it
has
meant
for
the
santa
fe
for
our
community
is
that
we
have
not
had
an
outbreak
of
coven
in
our
homeless
population
or
in
the
population
of
people
who
are
living
in
congregate
situations.
I
I
Convert
about
70,
the
majority
of
the
units
for
people
in
the
workforce
or
unemployed
or
facing
other
needs
related
to
not
having
enough
income
because
of
the
pandemic,
with
the
remaining
units
set
aside
specifically
for
people
transitioning
out
of
homelessness
or
who
are
very
precariously
housed.
So
I
want
to
emphasize
it's
not
a
homeless
shelter.
This
is
permanent,
supportive
housing.
These
people
will
have
their
own
small
apartment
unit
as
a
result
of
living
here.
I
The
other
important
piece
to
this
and
marisol
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
coordinated
entry
system,
which
we
is
part
of
the
build
for
zero
approach
to
ending
homelessness,
and
we
are
in
the
process
of
continuing
to
implement
it
here.
But
this
connects
actual
housing
units
to
that
system,
because
it's
all
very
well
to
track
somebody
and
to
make
sure
they
get
the
right
referrals
to
different
service
providers
in
a
network.
But
if
they're
not
ending
up
in
housing,
then
we
haven't
actually
solved
the
problem.
I
So
that's
another
really
important
piece
to
this
and
the
the
last
point
I
want
to
make
is
that
we've
got
some
amazing
service
providers.
Here
we've
got
some
amazing
housing
providers
and
what
we
are
seeing
increasingly
is
that-
and
this
is
especially
you
hear
these
stories
all
the
time
people
have
been
on
the
waiting
list
for
a
public
housing
voucher
for
years.
They
finally
get
it
and
they
cannot
find
a
unit
to
live
in
and
so
creating
these
units.
I
So
what
we're
also
proposing
this
is
a
business
model.
This
is
not
charity.
This
is
not
something
that's
just
going
to
suck
government
resources
and
subsidy
from
now
until
the
cows
come
home.
Every
single
year
need
another
infusion
of
support.
This
is
a
business
model.
This
is
intended
to
support
itself
and
there
are
three
it's
sort
of
a
three-legged
stool
here.
There's
a
lot
of
attention
paid
to
the
tenanting
process,
which
is
how
tenants
are
brought
into
the
property.
I
Many
of
them
who
are
entered
into
the
coordinated
entry
system
will
be
brought
in
that
way.
Other
people
will
be
referred
from
service
providers
or
find
the
housing
on
their
own,
but
the
the
really
important
point
here
is
that,
once
that
the
barriers
to
entry
are
lowered
because
that's
traditionally
been
another
problem
really
with
deeply
subsidized.
Affordable
housing,
especially
serving
more
difficult
to
serve
populations
or
people
with
higher
needs,
is
that
there
there
are
high
barriers
to
entry,
and
sometimes
there
are
things
like
well.
You
have
to
be
sober
to
live
here.
I
I
Is
there
a
very,
very
high
level
of
supports
services
and
standards
once
the
person
is
housed
and
again
so
that
then
the
next
leg
of
the
school
would
be
the
management
which
is
not
only
about
managing
the
physical
building,
which
is
what
property
management
is
about,
making
sure
the
faucets
aren't
leaking
and
collecting
rent
checks,
but
really
the
most
important
piece
is
managing
the
services
that
are
available
and
go
with
each
tenant.
I
The
other
piece
to
that
management
is
is
coordinating
the
services
that
are
provided
on
site
through
different
service
providers
through
the
whole,
throughout
the
whole
network,
within
the
community,
also
tracking
data
and
figuring
out
what
what
interventions
work
best
to
result
in
the
most
positive
outcomes,
and
that
might
be
customized
per
tenant,
and
I
think
the
other
issue
too,
is
you
know
we
hear
this
as
well.
I
I
I
So
the
partners
in
this
business
model
there's
a
local
project
sponsor
who
owns
and
coordinates
the
services
and
manages
the
the
tenants
on
the
site.
Community
solutions
which
acts
as
co-developer
community
solutions
is
a
national
non-profit
that
has
created
and
and
mobilized
these
projects
in
many
different
communities
and
they're
they're.
I
Providing
it's
a
technical
assistance
team,
but
they're
also
underwriting
the
project,
they're
they're
figuring
out
how
to
finance
it
and
then
really
trying
to
make
that
link
between
the
units
and
the
coordinated
entry
system,
which
is
again
part
of
the
built
for
xero
approach.
And
then
we
have
social
impact
investors.
So
this
is
not
something
you
see
usually
in
an
affordable
housing
project.
I
think
you'll
start
to
see
it
more
and
more,
but
these
are
investors
who
are
willing
to
provide
equity
to
the
project.
In
turn.
I
For
a
smaller
return
than
they
would
get
if
they
were
investing
in
other
types
of
investments,
but
they're
doing
that,
because
they
want
to
have
a
positive
social
impact,
they're
willing
to
take
a
smaller
return
on
their
investment
to
know
that
they
are
actually
doing
something
good
for
the
community
and
once
their
their
that
equity
is
paid
back.
It
becomes
part
of
the
it
becomes
part
of
the
asset.
It
adds
to
the
value
of
the
property.
I
The
city
of
santa
fe
has
a
big
role
right,
as
we've
been
discussing,
we're
leveraging
cares
act
funds
both
from
the
state
of
new
mexico,
as
well
as
our
local
cdbg
community
development
block
grant
entitlement
and
why
we're
doing
that
is
because
we're
trying
to
bring
down
the
amount
of
debt
that's
required
to
buy
the
property,
because,
with
less
debt,
more
operating
revenue
can
go
back
into
the
property
to
support
those
robust
services
that
make
this
model
successful.
I
I
So
the
project
itself
is
122
studio
units
and
it's
a
very
great
central
location.
I
So
we'll
have
you
know
more
work,
workforce,
renters
at
one
point
and
more
subsidized
renters
at
another
point,
but
it's
it's
it's.
They
are
distinct.
They
are
distinct
populations
to
be
served
and
then
the
remaining
40
units
are
dedicated
to
santa
fe's,
chronic
and
veteran
homeless,
where
they
can
receive
that
intensive
case
management
and
healthcare
and
counseling
and
have
all
of
their
needs
met
in
line
with
their
housing.
I
So
here's,
and
not
just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
the
unit
breakdown
and
the
percentage
of
units
dedicated
to
each
use
and
what
the
rents
look
like.
I
So
you're,
probably
looking
at
this
thinking-
oh
my
gosh,
those
poor
veterans,
you're
charging
them
this
higher
rent
than
anybody
else,
and
that
is
because
these
veterans
will
come
to
these
units
with
vash
vouchers,
which
is
provided
by
hud,
specifically
for
veterans,
and
that
that
number
is
the
fair
market
rent
which
hud
allows
the
provider
to
charge
the
renter,
but
the
renter's
only
paying
one-third
of
their
income
for
their
portion
of
the
rent.
So
they
are
not
paying
840
and
just
to
put
it
into
context
right
now.
I
These
units
are
rented
in
the
market
for
about
1200
a
month,
and
then
you
can
see
what
that
adds
up
to
in
terms
of
the
the
annual
rent
income
for
the
project,
a
couple
of
examples
of
projects
that
community
solutions
has
worked
on
in
other
places.
I
The
one
on
the
right,
I
believe,
was
new
construction.
It's
pretty
amazing!
Looking
can
you
imagine
what
the
historic
review
board
would
do
if
we
built
something
like
that
in
santa
fe?
I
love
it.
I
think
it's
pretty
awesome,
but
the
abrigo
apartments
is
sort
of
a
similar
kind
of
conversion
from
an
unsubsidized
use
to
this
very
affordable
model,
and
then
what
does
supportive
housing
look
like
in
santa
fe?
I
These
are
just
two
of
several
examples
that
we
have,
but
I
wanted
to
point
them
out
because
they
are
both
serving
populations
that
would
be
similar
to
the
ones
served
at
our
project
and
the
one
on
the
left
is
the
stagecoach
apartments
and
the
one
on
the
right
is
casa,
cerios,
which
is
currently
owned
and
operated
by
saint
elizabeth
shelter,
and
with
that
I
will
stand
for
questions.
I'm
happy
to
have
any
more
detailed
conversation.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
helping
us
understand
what
this
project
is
and
what
it
isn't.
I
think
that
that
helps
quite
a
bit,
and
I
would
refer
to
the
committee
I
see
councillor
rivera,
has
his
hand
up
with
a
question.
E
I
I
We
are
working
diligently
with
community
solutions
and
they
are
confident
that
this
sale
could
be
closed
by
mid-december.
I
We
would
then
immediately
put
the
property
in
use
in
order
to
be
get
the
eligibility
for
the
reimbursement,
but
there's
another
it's
confusing
because
of
our
cdbg
entitlement.
Hud
also
granted
us
additional
cares
act.
Funds
that
are
coming
from
the
department
of
hud
and
hud
has
not
set
the
december
30th
deadline.
In
fact,
we
have
over
18
months
to
spend
the
the
money
coming
from
hud,
so
that
would
provide
an
additional
580
thousand
dollars.
E
And
you
said
these
were
sweet,
so
I
assume
they
have
a
kitchen
kitchen
bedroom,
or
is
it
just
a
small
like
living
area
with
a
kitchen
built
next
to
it.
I
H
Madame
chair
counselor,
yes,
I've
actually
stayed
in
them,
they
are,
they
are
320
square
units
on
average
are
square
feet
on
average
and
they
so
it's
one
one
studio
with
kitchenettes
bathrooms
and
a
little
living
area
and
sleeping
area.
E
I
The
units
are
all
furnished
with
household
items
even
and
the
the
community
solutions
team
right
now
is
part
of
the
due
diligence
they're
doing
all
of
those
inspections,
but
the
other
advantage
that
I
didn't
actually
put
into
my
presentation,
but
another
asset
we
have
is
that
the
legislature
awarded
us
680
000,
I
believe,
to
use
specifically
for
physical
improvements
through
the
property
from
the
legislature,
funds,
the
I'm
just
drawing
a
blank
on
anyway,
when
the
capital
improvement
funds,
so
we
will
be
able
to
make
some
immediate
improvements
or
take
care
of
any
necessary
upgrades
or
repairs.
A
Thank
you
other
questions
from
the
committee
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much
for
coming
tonight
for
giving
us
a
better
sense
of
this
project,
really
appreciate
it
and
look
forward
to
hearing
how
how
it
moves
forward.
A
Okay,
with
that,
we
will
move
to
our
consent
agenda
and
we
are
going
to
take
item
f
first
and
I
believe
getting
my
notes
counselor,
who
pulled
that
counselor
via
real
you,
you
pulled
it
a
request
for
the
approval
on
the
license
agreement
in
exchange
for
obligations
of
licensee
for
an
indefinite
term
between
the
city
of
santa
fe
and
the
new
mexico
department
of
cultural
affairs
councillor
via
rail.
F
Thank
you
miss
madam
chair,
so
we
just
got
the
exhibits
of
what
this
looked
like.
F
There
was
no
exhibit
a
in
the
packet
material
based
on
the
contract,
and
so
I
just
I
we
just
got
sent
that
and
I
was
looking
at
those
so
essentially
it's
the
property
that
or
the
piece
of
land
that's
directly
parallel
to
guadalupe
street,
and
so
the
questions
I
had
the
the
language
for
this
agreement
was
confusing
to
me
because
it
sounded
like
yes,
we
can
use
this
particular
piece
of
land
for
their
staging
as
they
do
their
construction,
but
then
it
talks
about
an
indefinite
term
between
the
city
and
the
department
of
cultural
affairs.
F
So
essentially
I
was
trying
to
figure
out
two
things,
one,
that
indefinite
term.
Does
that
mean
when
they
restructure
that
piece
of
land
it
becomes
what
I
saw
from
the
drawing
that
we
just
got
vegetation
and
permanent
vegetation
and
landscaping.
F
J
Madam
chair
counselor,
via
real
I'll
start
with
your
second
question,
because
the
building
is
not
the
cities,
we
have
no
ability
to
control
what
happens
to
the
mural
now
or
in
the
future,
and
this
agreement
is
really
just
specific
to
the
land
more
or
less
the
sidewalk
and
attendant
areas
right
there
on
guadalupe
and
garfield,
which
essentially
garfield
extends
all
the
way
into
the
train
depot.
So
what
people
often
think
of
as
the
tomasitas
parking
lot?
J
Your
first
question:
you
are
correct,
so
the
initial
piece
of
what
this
license
agreement
will
allow
is
the
state
to
use
that
area
for
staging
throughout
the
construction
and
rehabilitation
of
the
existing
building
and
transformation
into
the
vladam,
and
then
that
will
be
followed
up
with
essentially
a
permanent.
J
F
Thank
you
sam,
so
when
you
say
attendant
landscaping,
does
that
mean
they
would
control
that
area
and
therefore
into
the
future,
maintain
it
and
we
wouldn't?
We
wouldn't
have
any
responsibility
of
that
area
other
than
as
it
relates
to
the
sidewalk
and
street
related
connections.
Is
that
correct.
J
J
For
so
my
understanding
would
be
it
is
that
we
would
remain
responsible,
for
you
know,
standard
maintenance
of
the
sidewalk,
which
is
something
we
already
do,
but
there
has
been
no
request
that
we
would
maintain
anything
outside
of
what
we
already
do
so
lodge.
It
logically
follows
that
no,
we
would
we
would
assume
no
additional
responsibility,
but
that
has
never
been
explicitly
stated
to
me.
So
I
would
hate
to
to
state
that
to
you
and
be
mistaken,.
F
Okay,
that
probably
needs
to
be
explicitly
stated
somewhere
in
the
contract.
I
don't
know
where
it
would
be,
that
was
a
very
extensive
and
that
contract
didn't
make
any
sense.
The
second
part
of
it
didn't
make
sense
to
me.
It
almost
wasn't
pertinent
to
our
role
in
the
this
relationship.
So
if
maybe
we
could
clarify
that
piece
absolutely
and
then
you
know,
I'm
still
going
back
to
the
to
the
mural
piece,
and
I
know
that
we
don't
have
any.
F
We
don't
have
any
ability
to
control
the
mural
and
the
process
or
the
potential
or
lack
thereof
for
protection
or
trying
to
reimagine
how
that
could
be.
It's
just
that
if
we
then
give
up
that
peace.
F
Of
control,
then
that
could
I
guess,
I'm
just
trying
to
see
if
there's
a
connection
between
what
could
possibly
be
done
and
our
role
in
it
and
then
giving
that
space
up
would
mean
that
there
would
be
no
a
potential
for
having
any
kind
of
more
dialogue
about
the
mural.
F
D
D
There
are
four
basic
bullet
points
that
talk
about
the
responsibilities
of
licensee
and
one
c
is
licensee
shall
keep
the
premises
clean
and
maintained,
so
it
will
be
the
responsibility
of
the
state
to
maintain
those
premises
and
areas.
So
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
I
apologize
for
interjecting
when
you
were
asking
about
the
mural.
F
D
Chair
councillor,
vietnam,
yes,
we
still
own
it,
but
because
it'll
be
an
easement
that
goes
or
a
license.
I
apologize
that
goes
to
the
state.
They
will
be
in
charge
of
making
sure
that
anything,
that's
constructed
or
built
has
to
go
through
a
building
permit
process
that
they
will
maintain
and
keep
that
clean
and
that
the
premise
is
subject
to
any
easements
utility,
easements
or
rights
in
there.
D
So
if
there
are
rights
of
way
or
anything
like
that
or
utilities
in
there,
you
know
we
can
access
it,
but
they're
going
to
be
maintaining
it
for
the
duration
of
this
license.
F
Okay,
so
is
this
the
cleanest
way
to
do
this
versus?
I
don't
know
what
other
option
sale
sale
of
that?
You
know
how
we
have
these
portions
of
land
and
rights
away
and
other
places
that
we
end
up
selling,
because
we
don't
there
isn't
a
particular
use
for
us
to
be
part
of
that
relationship
anymore.
So
I'm
just
wondering
why
we
decided
to
pick
this
route
versus
trying
to
sell
it,
or
is
it
because
we're
working
with
the
state
entity
or
what?
What
makes
this
unique.
D
Yeah,
chair
counselor,
via
el,
I
believe
the
reason
we
decided
to
move
forward
with
a
license
is
due
to
the
right-of-way,
the
sidewalks
and
the
entry
points.
The
city
wants
to
maintain
the
ability
to
utilize
those
and
to
have
the
right-of-way
access,
but
they
do
understand
that
the
state
has
this
vision
to
build
this
museum
out,
and
so
it's
it
moved
forward
as
a
license
rather
than
a
sale
due
to
the
right-of-way,
the
existing
right-of-way
and
sidewalks.
F
J
Chair
counselor,
yes
as
the
so
some
changes
attendant
with
the
vladam
is
actually
the
sidewalk
headed
back
from
guadalupe
towards
the
train
depot
will
become
a
little
wider
they're
planning
to
take
down
the
existing
utility
poles
there
and
run
those
underground.
J
So
some
configurational
changes
that
way
and
then
also
there's
going
to
be
a
loading
dock
at
the
back
of
the
museum
kind
of
right
in
a
little
nook
directly
between
the
vladam
and
the
train
depot.
So
that
will
all
that
sidewalk
going
back
towards
the
depot
will
remain
a
sidewalk
it'll,
be
improved
by
the
state
in
conjunction
with
the
vladam
and
yeah.
So
it
serves
multiple
purposes,
a
pedestrian
way
and
then
also
access
to
the
back
of
the
building
for
for
voting
purposes.
J
At
the
picture,
so
yes,
madam
chair,
counselor,
so
right
be
the
area
right
behind
the
biker
in
the
rendering
provided
by
the
architect.
There's
a
few
trees,
some
people
standing
in
front
of
a
long
planter.
J
J
F
J
F
J
A
Welcome,
okay!
Is
there
what's
the
wishes
of
the
committee
on
this
item.
A
I'll
second
jennifer:
can
you
call
the
roll
please.
E
Madam
chair
can
ask
a
question
real
quick
sure.
Have
we
sam
have
we
spoken
with
tomasitas
to
make
sure
it's
not
going
to
affect
their
business
at
all.
J
Madam
chair
counselor,
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge,
not
that
I'm
aware
of
perhaps
andrea
is
aware
of
either
the
city
or
the
state
having
conversations
with
them,
I
would
like
to
say
that
from
a
completely
kind
of
nuts
and
bolts
standpoint,
since
this
is
not
going
to
actually
enter
into
the
parking
lot
area
at
all,
it's
I
I
think
it's
highly
unlikely
that
it
would,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
the
conversation
doesn't
doesn't
have
merit
on
its
own.
A
Thanks:
okay,
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second
jennifer.
Can
you
call
the
roll
on
this
item?
Please,
of
course,
counselor
jamie
cassette
sanchez.
C
L
F
A
Carol:
romerworth!
Yes,
all
right
with
that.
If
whoever's
sharing
the
screen
can
stop
there,
we
go
we're
back.
Thank
you
sam.
We
are
now
on
to
item
h,
which
is
consideration
of
resolution,
2020,
a
resolution
hosting
community
conversations
and
establishing
a
special
city
committee
on
cultures,
history,
art,
reconciliation
and
truth.
It's
also
been
referred
to
as
the
chart
committee.
A
I
don't
know
I
don't
think
anybody's
presenting
on
this.
The
mayor
was
here,
I
didn't
know
if
he
wanted
to
say
something
about
it.
We
do
have
one
two
three
four
different
amendments
on
this
item.
I
just
will
remind
the
committee
that
it's
6
20.
if
each
of
us
talk
for
10
minutes
on
this,
commit
on
this
item.
We
will
take
this
presentation
for
the
next
hour,
so
I
just
ask
that
we
all
be
mindful
of
time
don't
want
to.
A
If
there
are
questions,
I
think
some
of
these
amendments
we
we
definitely
need
to
understand
better
and
there
there
may
be
other
thoughts
from
the
committee
about
how
to
move
forward,
but
just
want
to
make
us
a
little
bit
self-aware
about
the
time
that
it
will
take
to
look
into
this
and
recognize
that
we
can
also
talk
with
staff
offline,
as
as
we
continue
to
look
at
the
best
way
to
set
up
this,
this
particular
committee,
so
I
don't
know
as
a
way
of
process.
A
I
I
think
I
would
entertain
a
motion
to
pass
this
resolution
and
then
we
can
go
through
and
talk
specifically
about
any
of
the
amendments
that
the
committee
would
like
to
talk
about
and
then,
as
you
probably
have
noticed,
some
of
these
amendments
are
carried
by
non-committee
members.
So
any
motion
to
actually
act
on
them
would
have
to
be
made
by
a
committee
member.
C
C
I
would
request
we
don't
move
forward
with
the
motion,
yet
just
I
mean,
for
example,
the
prior
agenda
item
we
just
discussed.
We
didn't
start
off
with
emotion
and
I
think
from
historical
examples
that
when
we
enter
into
emotion
and
especially
when
we're
dealing
with
amendments,
it
can
get
a
bit
complicated.
C
A
Okay-
and
I
guess
I
would
just
to
clarify-
we
would
make
the
motion
to
pass
the
resolution
and
then
we
would
take
up
whatever
amendments
the
committee
would
like
to
take
up
and
we
can
discuss
each
of
them
or
we
can
discuss
some
of
them.
Whatever
is
the
interest
of
the
committee
and
then
take
action
or
not
on
any
of
the
amendments
that
are
in
our
packets.
So
it's
it's
actually.
C
C
C
I
I
understand
we
had
agenda,
I
mean
presentations
earlier,
which
were
fantastic,
but
setting
a
time
limit
on
an
agenda
item
is
unnecessary.
I
think
we
need
to
address
the
business
in
front
of
us.
I've
mentioned
this
before
in
the
past,
and
I
will
continue
to
do
so.
Our
committee
is
here
to
address
work.
C
That's
before
the
city
and
presentations
I
think,
come
second
and
for
us
to
say
we
get
10
minutes
per
counselor
to
talk
on
this
is
is
unsatisfactory
and
I
understand
you
set
the
parameters,
madam
chair,
but
I
think
what
you
are
doing
is
you
are
setting
a
very
dangerous
precedent
and
and
especially
on
a
critical
issue
like
this-
that
deals
with
not
only
our
history
but
our
future
and
saying
we
each
only
have
10
minutes
to
talk
about
this.
C
Proceed
how
you
want
madam
chair,
but
I
just
wanted
to
get
that
off
my
chest,
because
I
think
we
are
completely
doing
a
disservice
to
our
community
when
we
say
10
minutes
per
per
person.
This
is
this
is
where
we
are
to
discuss
this.
This
is
the
committee
process.
This
is
we're
supposed
to
be
making
the
sausage
so
to
speak.
That
way,
once
it
gets
to
council
that
the
discussions
have
been
had
because
there's
been
discussions
at
governing
body
meeting
where
folks
have
said,
we
should
have
discussed
that
at
committee.
A
A
So
if
we
each
spend
10
minutes
talking,
we
will
go
well
past.
Seven,
I'm
not
setting
a
limit.
I'm
just
asking
us
to
be
mindful
of
the
time
that
we're
taking
also
understanding.
We
have
a
number
of
amendments
and
there
is
some
complexity
to
them
so
again,
just
asking
that
we
pay
attention
to
that
now.
As
for
the
motion,
which
was
your
original
concern,
this
is
a
different
item
than
the
last
then
item
f
item
f
was
not
legislation
and
was
just.
A
A
licensing
agreement,
so
it's
a
totally
different
animal.
So
with
that
I'd
be
happy
to
talk
to
you
more
about
process
and
I
still
would
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
this
resolution
or
disapprove
this
resolution.
And
then
we
can
talk
about
the
amendments.
A
Great,
is
there
a
second
second
all
right,
so
with
a
motion
in
a
second,
we
can
now
discuss
either
the
resolution
itself
or
any
of
the
amendments
that
are
in
our
packet
that
pertain
to
this
and
again
there
are
a
number
of
them
that
are
being
sponsored
by
non-committee
members
who
are
not
here
tonight.
A
So
if
we
want
to
take
action
on
any
of
those
amendments
and
even
if
those
folks
were
here
that
the
motion
does
have
to
be
made
by
a
committee
member,
so
just
want
to
be
clear
about
that.
So
with
that,
are
there
amendments
that
is
there
an
amendment
somebody
wants
to
start
with
or
or
a
conversation
about,
the
resolution
itself.
C
A
C
C
C
So
I'm
so
are
we
discussing
the
resolution
or
the
amendments
because
I'm
going
off
of
kind
of
precedent.
For
example,
what
was
what
went
on
in
finance
committee,
where
we
solely
were
talking
about
the
resolution
that
was
in
front
of
us?
Then
we
allowed
amendment
discussion,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
clear
what
are
we
discussing.
A
So
in
finance,
I
think
the
item
you're
referring
to
is
the
short-term
rental
legislation
and
we
actually
did
jump
right
into
the
amendments
and
I
think
you
know
I'm
I'm
happy
to
do
either.
If
you
have
questions.
C
A
It's
all
recorded,
so
we
can
go
back.
I.
A
Topic
yeah,
if
you
want
to
dive
into
an
amendment,
I
think
that's
fine,
because
I
think
we've
all
read
the
resolution
so.
C
C
And
so
with
that,
it
talks
about
listening
sessions,
and
I
just
want
to
be
clear-
and
I
is
the
is
the
sponsor
on
his
mayor
weber,
on
by
chance.
C
C
A
We
don't
have
the
sponsor,
so
I
don't
know
we
don't
really
have
anybody.
Let
me
see
if
the
mayor's
available.
F
Chair
and
counselor,
I
think
it
would
be
a
joint
effort
so
as
the
chart
committee
convenes
and
starts
to
plan
out
things
that
it
would
be
an
implementation
jointly.
C
Okay,
because
on
what
page
one
line
24
it
clearly
states,
the
city
shall
convene
listening
sessions.
So
from
that,
if
I
was
a
chart
committee
member
and
if
I
was
reading
that,
I
would
feel
that
wasn't
in
my
purview
and
that
the
city
is
going
to
take
charge
and
leadership
of
that.
So
if
it's
going
to
be
the
chart
committee,
that's
going
to
work
in
collaboration
with
the
city
of
santa
fe,
whether
it
be
city
staff,
the
governing
body
whoever
it
may
be.
C
These
or
before
it's
on
page
1
line,
24.
F
C
So
we
just
need
to
clean
that
up.
My
next
question-
and
I
don't
know
if
this
is
for
city
attorney
or
who,
who
might
be
able
to
answer
this,
but
within
other
committees,
and
I
want
to
let's
say,
for
example,
and
community-led
committees
such
as
the
planning,
commission
or
historic
review
board.
C
A
The
question
I
would
advise
you
you
can,
I
think
I
have
that
question
answered
directly
through
the
city
attorney's
office.
C
Okay,
so
my
my
understanding
is-
and
that's
where
I
wanted-
it
confirmed-
and
it's
unfortunate
because
we,
this
is
where
we
need
not
only
the
sponsor
but
support
staff
on
this
to
for
for
clarification
on
this
resolution,
because
it's
my
understanding
it's
going
to
go
before
the
public
works
and
utilities
committee
once
again,
and
then
it
goes
before
governing
body,
and
I
think
if
we
don't
want
to
spend
hours,
trying
to
fine-tune
this
that
governing
body.
I
think
this
is
where
we
needed
to
get
these
questions
answered,
because.
A
If
I
might,
it's
also
going
to
finance
jesse
gillen
has
his
hand
out
jesse.
Did
you
have
something
to
add
on
councillor
garcia's
question.
M
Thank
you,
madam
chair
conservative,
for
the
the
vast
majority
of
committees.
The
mayor
appoints
the
chair.
If
there's
a
vice
chair,
those
are
either
also
appointed
by
the
mayor
or
the
chair
or
they're
elected
by
the
members,
but
the
chairs
are
generally
chosen
by
the.
C
Mayor,
so
the
planning
commission
chair
is
chosen
by
the
mayor,
not
by
the
body
as
I
would
have
to
confirm,
but
I
believe
that
is
correct.
Okay,
because
I
do
want
that
confirmation
because
I
believe
that's
not
true.
The
historic
review
board
is
that
chair
selected
by
the
mayor,
or
is
it
community
driven
or
community,
decided.
M
If
you'd
like
to
give
me
just
a
minute
I'll,
look
it
up,
and
I
can
confirm
that,
for
you.
C
Okay,
so
I
think,
since
we're
in
that,
thank
you,
council
revere
for
that
clarification,
and
since
we
are
somewhat
establishing
these
parameters,
I
think
it's
critical
that
we
establish
that
now
and
I
would
prefer
us
to
move
forward
with
that
kind
of
precedent
where
the
committee
itself
establishes
their
chairs
instead
of
it
being
appointed
by
the
mayor,
so
I'll
be
putting
forth
an
amendment
on
that
matter.
I
believe
that
the
committee
will
they'll
be
filled
with
plenty
of
smart
people
to
determine
who
they
feel
wants.
They
want
them
to
guide
them.
C
My
next
question-
and
let's
get-
I
guess
I'll-
just
jump
into
the
amendments
that
you
know-
and
this
is
unfortunate
because
the
mayor's
not
on
board-
and
I
I
don't
not
able
to
ask
him
the
question,
but
he
and
his
resolution
he's
putting
forth
that
the
applicants
will
be
selected
by
the
mayor
and
the
three
committee
chairs
of
the
governing
body
committee's
finance
committee,
public
works
and
utility
committee
and
the
chair
of
this
committee,
which
I
absolutely
do
not
agree
with.
I've
said
it
before,
and
I
will
say
it
again.
C
We
can
have
a
independent
body
that
is
made
up
of
the
demographics
of
not
only
the
city
of
santa
fe,
but
our
surrounding
indigenous
and
pueblo
communities,
and
I
believe
they
would
select
a
strong
committee
that
would
lead
us
into
a
successful
future
with
this
process.
So
with
that,
I
would
not
support
the
mayor's
amendment.
E
A
I
I
think
then,
from
there
the
mayor,
it's
my
understanding
that
it's
only
the
mayor
that
has
the
ability
to
appoint
committees.
A
And
so
I
again,
I
would
encourage
you
to
ask
your
question
directly
to
the
city
attorney's
office
and
it
doesn't
have
to
be
in
a
in
a
meeting
you
can
you
can
get
that
clarification
directly
from
them,
but
it's
my
understanding
that
he
only
he
can
appoint
the
committees
and
that
he
is
asking
through
this
amendment
the
way
it's
worded
for
the
three
chairs
and
the
mayor
just
to
review
and
evaluate
not
to
to
actually
make
those
appointments.
A
A
F
To
understand
something,
and
the
way
that
reads
to
me
is
that
those
members
will
help
to
inform
the
appointment.
That
then
formally
is
done
by
the
mayor.
However,
and
we
did
this
for
the
task
force
council
rivera
and
I
had
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
reviewing.
So,
of
course,
our
input
was
going
to
be
taken
seriously.
F
There's
no
point
in
having
people
be
part
of
that
that
aren't
going
to
be
weighing
in
and
sharing
their
recommendations
that
ultimately
will
lead
to
a
an
appointment.
So
I
guess
I
agree
with
my
colleague.
I
don't
see
the
way-
that's
structured
with
this
amendment
as
the
right
approach,
because
it
doesn't
reflect
the
main,
the
membership
of
our
council
or
of
the
governing
body.
It's
it's
predominantly
men
and
that's
not
what
our
council
is
made
up
of.
F
So
that's
one
reason
why
I
wouldn't
support
that
amendment
and
I
would
love
to
hear
more
about
the
other
amendments,
councilor
garcia,
that
you're
sponsoring
and
also
co-signed
by
councillor
rivera
and
councilwoman
v
hill
koppler,
because
I
wanna
I
those
I
feel
like
are
pertinent
to
our
conversation
and
I
can
support,
and
I
just
wanted
you
to
maybe
talk
through
some
of
them,
so
we
can
have
a
better
understanding.
Thank
you.
C
Okay,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
councillor
via
real.
For
your
point.
I
mean,
I
think
it's
another
perspective
is
there's
no
indigenous
representation.
That's
going
to
be
selecting
these
members,
which
is
a
critical
component
of
this
committee.
So
that's
what
that
that's
an
absolute
failure!
There's
no
indigenous
representation!
That's
going
to
select
on
this
committee
and
thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
clarifying.
C
I
completely
understand
that
this
steering
committee
or
community
review
they
wouldn't
be
selecting
they
would
go
and
be
going
through
the
normal
process,
similar
to
any
committee,
where
we
kind
of
make
the
recommendations
to
the
mayor.
The
mayor
then
puts
them
before
us
at
the
governing
body
and
we
ultimately
approve.
I
understand
that
process
so
with
that,
I
think
you
know
we
we
we
we
need
to
ensure
we're
getting
this
done
correctly
and
that's
where
I
I
believe
you
know,
as
I
mentioned,
the
the
changes
that
need
to
be
made.
C
C
A
C
C
You
know
the
way
that
the
process
works
is
we,
unfortunately
have
to
lump
up
all
of
our
amendments
on
one
amendment
sheet
and
then
make
an
individual
motions
to
pull
and
withdraw
amendments
that
way
it
doesn't.
If
somebody
doesn't
like
one
amendment,
it
kills
them
all,
but
that
that's
that's
what
I'm
referring
to.
Madam
chair.
A
Actually
counselor,
if
I
can
clarify
yet
again,
there
is
an
amendment
here
sponsored
by
I
believe
it's
you.
It
says
here,
councillor
rivera
and
councillor
v,
hill
copler.
There
are,
I
think,
that
amendment
and
that's
the
one
that
councillor
villarreal
is
speaking
about,
does
a
number
of
different
things,
but
then
there
are
two
amendments
also
offered
in
our
packets
by
councillor
beta
and
then,
of
course,
the
one
that
you've
already
addressed,
which
was
sponsored
by
the
mayor.
So
again,
I
just
for
clarification.
A
C
That
is
correct
and
for
clarification.
Madam
chair,
there
is
10
changes
in
this
amendment.
That
was
my
point
is
that
if,
if
we
could
have
had
10
separate
amendments,
we
probably
would
have
went
that
route,
but
per
the
way
we
introduced
legislation
and
introduced
that
amendments.
We
had
to
include
all
10
on
one
so.
C
Says
on
page
one:
after
plaza,
we
insert
the
removal
of
the
de
vargas
statue
because
we
felt
it
was
relevant
to
the
situation
we
wanted
to.
What's
what's
before
us,
that
this
committee
is
trying
to
address
is
bigger
than
the
removal
of
the
obelisk,
and
so
that's
why
we
we
made
that
change.
C
The
second
one
was
a
simple
strike
trained
and
in
in
insert
mediator
dispute
resolution
training
experience.
We
felt
it
was
a
more
holistic
versus
saying
trained.
It's
somebody
that
that
that
has
a
little
more
experience.
We
wanted
to
kind
of
cover
all
bases
in
that
sense,
and-
and
I
don't
want
to
potentially
jump
on
in
front
of
council
rivera
and
so
maybe
council
rivera.
Do
you
maybe
want
to
speak
to
any
of
these
that
you,
since
this?
This
is
something
that
you
I
and
counselor
bia
real.
E
Floor,
counselor
you're
doing
a
fine
job
if
you
missed
something-
or
I
feel
like
I
need
to
add
in,
I
can
comment
on
that.
C
Okay,
thank
you
counselor,
the
third
one
was
we
wanted
to
once
again
make
sure
that
there
was
a
time
frame.
I
think
that's
been
a
big
concern
of
the
community.
C
Is
that
because
the
initial
time
frame
of
the
this
chart
committee,
it
would
wrap
up
at
the
end
of
2022,
and
I
we
want
the
the
community
to
understand
that
we
want
to
address
certain
things
in
a
quicker
manner,
because
the
chart
committee
is
not
solely
going
to
be
addressing
monuments,
statues
that
type
of
scenario
it's
bigger
than
that,
and
so
that's
why
we've
got
the
proposed
two-year
time
frame.
We're
with
this
number
three
in
this
amendment.
C
What
we're
hoping
is
we
set
a
time
frame
for
us
to
have
the
this
proposed
committee
establish
what
do
we
do
with
things
like
the
obelisk
or
the
de
vargas
statue
or
any
other
statue
that
our
community
feels
needs
to
be
addressed
in
some
manner,
and
so
that's
why
we
put
some
type
of
time
frame
on
it.
C
C
C
C
Some
are
technical,
but
some
are
changing
the
demographics
and
makeup
of
the
body.
There
were
some,
so
there
were
some
instances
and
let
me
see
I
can't
remember
if
it
was
in
this
one.
C
I
think
it
was
because
the
way
these
amendments
are
it's
hard
to
kind
of
go
without
going
back
and
forth.
I
know
one
was
we
had
a
makeup
of
the
body
with
two
elected
officials
and
I
think
the
reasoning
behind
that
was
former
elected
officials,
city,
santa
fe
elected
officials,
and
the
reasoning
was
that
way
this
individual
would
have
an
understanding
of
the
political
process
how
the
city
government
works
to
provide
be
able
to
provide
that
perspective
to
the
committee.
C
I
we
we
felt
our.
I
know
that
us
three
at
least
minimum
felt
that
one
was
sufficient.
C
I
think
there
was
maybe
an
understanding
that
this
committee
is
at
21
is
very
large
and
we
were
doing
everything
we
can
to
try
to
minimize
that
we
want
to
ensure
that
we
are
being
very
inclusive
with
this
process
and
we
need
to
ensure
that
there
are
certain
perspectives
and
experience
needed
for
this,
but
is
21
the
appropriate
number.
C
Probably
not
I
mean
I
wish
we
can
dwindle
it
down
to
nine
members
such
as
our
governing
body
size,
but
given
given
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
with
this
committee,
I
think
that's
our
challenge.
The
challenge
we're
running
into.
We
want
to
ensure
there's
certain
level
of
expertise
that
are
guaranteed
and
we're
not
relying
that
these
expertise
come
in
and
the
subcommittee
process.
C
A
Yeah,
maybe
I
can
help
you
so
on
the
membership
of
the
committee,
you
you're
switching
the
membership
from
21
to
19
members.
That
was
that's
one
change.
That's
in
here
did
you
want
to
speak
to
that.
C
Sure,
madam
chair,
I
mean
I
think
that
I
said
it
earlier.
We
felt
there
was
way
too
many
members
on
this
committee
and
given
some
of
the
other
proposed
changes
by
our
other
colleagues,
we
wanted
to
ensure
that
we're
being
represented
of
those
potential
changes
as
well,
that
I
think
some
of
my
colleagues
have
signed
on
to
those
amendments.
A
C
Sure
so,
for
example,
similar
to
the
way
we
had
marty
sol
and
miss
lab
present
to
us
tonight,
we
would
request
that
the
chart
committee
present
to
the
governing
body
at
least
once
a
month,
similar
presentation,
format,
the
governing
body
schedule
agenda,
allows
for
it
believe,
that's
necessary
not
only
for
the
governing
body
to
get
an
update
but
to
be
fully
transparent
with
the
community
and
the
community
can
understand
what
the
committee
is
working
on
at
that
point
in
time.
A
Okay
and
then
another
change,
as
on
page
four
number
11
currently
says
three
at-large
members
of
the
santa
fe
community,
selected
with
a
particular
focus
on
adding
to
the
diversity
of
the
committee.
This
amendment,
I
believe,
would
change
that
to
four
from
three
to
four:
did
you
want
to
speak
to
that.
C
Sure
we
felt
that
we
need
to
ensure
that
there
is
appropriate
and
when
you
have
certain
criteria
being
looked
for
and
expertise
that
might
have
some
community
members
feeling
like
they
don't
meet
the
level
of
criteria
that
this
committee
is
calling
for.
So,
for
example,
historians,
not
everybody
is
in
a
certified
historian.
C
A
C
A
Okay
and
then
another
one
of
the
changes
that
your
amendment
makes
the
the
three
counselors
again
on
page
four,
it's
the
current
reading
number
six,
one
individual
with
national
museum
or
other
professional
historical
interpretation
experience,
and
this
amendment
would
strike
one
individual
with
national
museum
and
insert
instead
one
individual
with
new
mexico
museum
or
other
professional
historical
interpretation
experience.
Do
you
want
to
speak
to
that?
One.
A
So
just
a
a
quick
question.
So
if
we
had
somebody
from
the
smithsonian
museums
in
washington
dc,
who
had
retired
here
or
we
had
somebody
from
the
native
american
museum
in
washington
dc,
who
retired
here
particular
expertise
about
how
you
make
historical
representations
accessible
to
the
general
public,
that
person-
you
don't
see
as
being
valuable
to
to
this
group.
C
They
might
I
mean,
given
the
criteria
you
listed
given
this
individual,
for
example,
might
have
worked
for
the
smithsonian,
the
the
american
indian
smithsonian
institution.
They
might
have
that
expertise
of
new
mexico
history.
We
strongly
believe
that
you
have
to
understand
new
mexico
history.
I
think
this
is
a
critical
component
of
this.
C
If
you
can't
come
and
step
in
and
read
about,
what's
happened
here,
it's
it's
bigger
than
that.
The
issue
is
much
bigger
than
that,
because
there
are
there's
history
that
is
not
documented
in
some
senses,
it's
verbal,
it's
oral
history
that
needs
that
that
individual
needs
to
have
been
present
to
fully
understand,
and-
and
sometimes
it's
just
that
physical
spiritual
presence
needed
to
be
here.
I
think
it's
it.
A
Agree
counselor,
but
this
this
would
not
allow
for
somebody
who
had
retired
here
with
national
museum
experience,
you're
you're,
cutting
that.
C
If
they
have
that,
no,
I
don't
I'm
not
absolutely
not.
I.
I
commented
on
that
and
I
said,
given
that
individual
work
for
the
smithsonian
they
they
might
have
that
expertise,
because
we
have
large
trouble
representation
that
they
might
have
worked
on
or
studied
worked
while
working
at
the
smithsonian.
So
I
think
you
couldn't
you,
you
have
to
set
the
parameters
on
in
regards
to
what.
What
is
your
experience?
What
what
do
you
know
about
new
mexico
and
if
it's
somebody
that
has
none,
I
think
that
would
eliminate
them
so.
A
So
if
this
read
one
individual
with
national
museum
experience
related
to
new
mexico
history,
would
that
then
suffice?
Because
what
you're
doing
is
your
amendment
strikes
national
and
and
inserts
instead,
new
mexico,
so
you'd
have
to
be
a
new
mexico
museum
official,
not
a
national
museum.
Official
formally,
madam
chair.
E
A
E
E
E
We
thought
it
was
important
to
have
somebody
with
the
new
mexico
history
and
museum
background
on
the
committee.
F
A
It
just
to
me
it's
it:
it
shrinks
it
to
new
mexico,
so
I
I
think
that's
something
just
to
think
about
as
we
go
on,
because
I
think
that
was
the
idea
behind
this.
A
Is
that
because
I
think
we
do
have
those
kinds
of
people
in
our
community
who
have
experience
with
national
museums
and
some
of
the
national
museums
that
capture
our
history
so
completely
agree
with
councillor
garcia
that
you
know
we
want
people
who
are
familiar
with
the
history
here
and
and
who,
who
can
also
help,
make
the
interpretation
experience
accessible
to
a
wide
variety
of
folks.
So
anyway,
I
won't
belabor
that
I
think
that's.
That
is
basically
what
this
amendment
does.
Am
I
correct?
Have
you
forgotten
anything.
C
E
I
think
counselor
garcia
answered
most
of
it.
The
only
the
last
thing
I
wanted
to
say
was
on
page
four
lines:
19
through
21.
We
do
an
an
amendment
to
try
to
delete
those
two
lines.
E
The
reason
if
we
have,
if
there
are
any
legal
questions
they
can
refer
to
the
city
attorney's
office,
I
think
they
can
request
to
have
an
attorney
there
during
meetings,
if,
if
they
think
it's
important
and
the
other
one,
the
individual
with
mediator
dispute,
I
think
we're
hiring
somebody
with
resolution
training,
that's
going
to
head
up
the
committee,
so
we
didn't
see
the
need
to
have
that
and
even
at
19,
I
think
the
committee's
extremely
large,
but
we
did
our
best
to
honor.
E
I
think
what
the
sponsor
was
trying
to
do,
and
still
you
know,
do
what
we
thought
was
best
and
limit
the
committee
to
a
few.
Now,
with
the
other
amendments,
it
may
increase
or
go
back
up
to
21,
but
that's
where
we
were
coming
from.
A
Yeah,
it's
hard
it's
hard
to
get
all
the
different
varieties
and
folks
that
you
want
to
have
part
of
this
conversation
and
then
you
know,
keep
it
small.
I
think
that's
the
fight
that
that
we're
seeing
okay,
councilor
garcia,
I
believe
you
still
have
the
floor
were
there
other
amendments
that
you
wanted
to
speak
to.
A
Okay,
other
members
of
the
committee
want
to
talk
about
any
of
the
other
amendments
that
have
been
presented.
A
Sure-
and
I
I
do
think
it's
an
interesting
point
whether
you
know
this
amendment
should
be
broken
up
into
the
different
ideas
here
or
or
whether
the
committee,
for
instance,
agrees
with
everything
that's
in
here.
So
that's
something
to
consider
counselor
via
rail.
Did
you
have
other
thoughts
about.
F
I
went
through
this
one
and
I
actually
agree
with
all
of
them.
The
only
thing
I'm
concerned
about
is
when
we
look
at
the
other
amendments.
They
actually
contradict
this
one,
so
we
have
to
figure
that
out,
although
I'm
in
favor
of
reducing
the
numbers-
and
I
will
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
more
even
I
mean
I
was
even
thinking
15
if
we
could
and
the
reason
why
I
say
that
is
because,
right
now
the
state
has
the
racial
equity,
commission
or
council
and
there's,
I
think,
20.
F
I
want
to
say,
there's
about
25,
maybe
20
to
25,
and
it's
really
challenging
to
get
not
just
consensus
but
deciding
what
direction,
what
topics
they
want
to
pick.
It's
very.
It's
not
very
easy
to
get
everybody
on
board,
especially
with
busy
people.
So
I'm
in
favor
of
continuously
trying
to
reduce
this.
F
F
So
that's
all
I
have
for
this
one
I
I
think
all
the
ones
all
the
all
the
adjustments
or
changes
that
they're
proposing
make
sense
to
me
at
this
time.
A
Other
thoughts
on
this
amendment,
counselor
cassette
sanchez,
you
have
your
hand
up.
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair
yeah.
You
know
some
some
of
these.
I
I
don't
see
a
problem
with,
and
I'm
fine
with.
There
are
a
couple
that
I
am.
I
don't
think
I
agree
with
one
that
I'm
struggling
with.
Is
the
timeline
I'm
kind
of
of
two
minds
about
that?
One
with
the
establishing,
I
believe
it's.
K
I
think
it's
number
three
propose
guidelines
and
make
recommendations
for
monuments,
remembrance,
remembrances
or
works
of
art
for
the
santa
fe,
plaza
beginning
with
the
soldiers
monument
within
six
months
of
the
committee's
first
meeting,
and
the
reason
that
I
I'm
struggling
with
this
one
is
trying
to
find
that
balance
between
how
much
direction
we
give
and
the
understanding
that
this
committee
is
a
little
bit
different
than
some
of
the
other
committees
that
we
have
been
working
with.
K
I
think
that
that
is
my
that's
where
my
hesitation,
with
this
one
comes
from,
is,
is
how
much
do
we
set
the
timeline
and
how
much
do
we
say
here
are
the
goals
we
have
done
our
due
diligence
in
making
a
selection
of
this
of
this
group,
and
we
trust
you
to
figure
out
what
this
process
needs
to
look
like
for
yourselves.
K
I've
been
doing
a
lot
of
research
on
some
different
truth
and
reconciliation
commissions.
I
was
speaking
with
a
couple
individuals
who
do
work
in
restorative
justice
about
this,
and
that
was
one
of
the
big
topics
of
conversation
is
the
setting
of
the
terms,
but
I
do
see
that
there's
a
balance
we
we
have
to
set
parameters.
We
need
to
say
this
is
what
we
would
really
like
to
see
out
of
this,
while
also
allowing
for
some
of
the
flexibility
to
let
the
process
unfold
a
bit
more.
So
that's
that's
my
concern
with
that
one.
K
The
monthly
presentations
I
I
feel
might
be
a
little
too
frequent
because
it
takes
so
much
time
to
prepare
a
presentation
that
I
don't
want
the
committee
to
be
spending
so
much
of
their
time
preparing
to
present
to
the
governing
body
once
a
month
as
opposed
to
doing
the
work.
So
I
would
suggest
the
written
presentations
and
maybe
we
look
at
quarterly
present
monthly,
get
the
written
reports
and
then
maybe
look
at
quarterly
presentations
to
really
allow
the
work
to
be
done
and
not
just
the
admin
piece.
K
So
that
would
be
a
suggestion
that
I
would
make
to
that
one
and
then
yeah
just
still
still
wanting
to
make
sure
the
concept
of
the
museum
experience
and
the
different
variety
of
people.
I
think
this
also
does
start
to
speak
to.
How
are
we
selecting
the
committee
as
a
council?
We
do
have
approval
correct.
I
mean
it's
with,
as
with
every
committee,
we
we
approve
the
it
has
to
come
to
us
and
we
vote
it
up
or
down.
A
Think
that's
correct,
but
I
don't
think
we
get
to
say
no.
We
want
this
person,
not
that.
K
Person,
correct
right
right:
okay,
just
just
want
to
make
sure,
as
we
are
talking
about
what
this
process
looks
like.
So
that's
one
that
I
would
like
to
have
a
little
bit
more
discussion
of.
K
I
think,
as
everybody's
mentioned
there's
other
amendments
coming
through,
I
must
admit,
I'm
go.
I
would
have
a
hard
time
voting
on
this
one
right
now,
knowing
that
there
are
other
amendments
that
counter
contradict
it
and
that
dis
discussion,
because
how
does
that?
How
does
that
change
our
ability
to
be
looking
at
that,
for
example?
K
Well,
we'll
talk
about
the
other
amendments,
but
there's
some
pieces
in
one
of
council
rebates
that
I
really
I
really
want
to
advocate,
for
which
is
the
member
of
the
mayor's
youth
advisory
board
or
somebody
that
is
nominated
by
the
mayor's
youth
advisory
board
coming
to
the
table.
K
Regarding
counselor
vaterial's
comment
about
reducing
the
number,
I
think
I
think
that's
something
that
I
would
I'd
be
happy
to
explore,
and
maybe
we
look
at
you
know
some
of
those
areas
where
we
have
three
individuals
do
we,
you
know
break
down
to
two
where
we
have
two,
we
bring
it
down
to
one,
and
I
think
that
that
can
be
a
really
important
conversation
and
how
do
we
balance
that
representation
as
well
as
management
of
different
individuals
coming
in,
while
also
still
recognizing
that,
within
these
different
groups,
it's
not
like
there
are
homogeneous
opinions
across
the
board,
and
so
how
do
we
capture
all
of
the
different
conversation
and
representation,
even
within
the
different
groups
that
we
are
trying
to
represent?
K
F
In
terms
of
the
presentations,
I'm
just
letting
you
know
like
counselor
garcia
it,
it
would
be
pretty
hard
to
do
a
monthly
presentation,
and
let
me
tell
you
why,
because
we're
struggling
with
like
just
getting
through
them
the
process
through
the
task
force,
and
if
we
would
have
had
to
do
a
monthly
presentation
there
would
be
nothing
to
present
to
you
all.
So
I
think
we
were
just
talking
about
that
ways
to
have
presentations
so
that
you
all
get
updated
on
the
task
force
and
we
decided
what
did
we
decide?
F
I
think,
like
it's
basically
quarterly,
so
I
just
want
you
to
be
cognizant
of
that,
because
a
monthly
presentation
is
probably
not
realistic,
considering
how
much
we're
trying
to
get
people
together
and
actually
have
conversations
and
get
through
a
lot
of
trust
issues.
I
think
we
will
so
I
think
that
that's
gonna
take
time.
So
I'm
wondering
if
there's
a
way
to
reword
that
so
there
allows
for
flexibility.
A
Counselor
viral,
I
would
my
I
have
similar
concerns
about
that.
I
think
it's
too
often-
and
I
don't
want
them
to
be
spending
so
much
time
on
the
presentations
that
they
don't
do,
the
work
that
we
want
them
to
do,
and
so
I
would
trust
them
with
coming
to
us
at
regular
intervals,
and
we
could
even
say
it.
A
You
know
that
that
we
would
like
regular
presentations
and
let
them
decide
you
know
what
that
means
and
that
they
come
or
you
know
some
sort
of
general
language
that
would
say
that
we
want
to
be
kept
up
to
date,
as
there
are
things
to
be
briefed
upon.
So
I
I
think,
there's
there's
language,
certainly
that
that
we
could
do
that,
would
leave
that
kind
of
up
to
them,
but
also
imply
that
you
know
we
don't
want
it
to
go
six
months
without
hearing
from
them.
C
I
think
maybe
there's
some
differences
of
opinion
in
regards
to
presentations,
because
I
would
be
perfectly
fine
with
them
coming
before
the
governing
body.
Within
five
minutes
saying
this
committee
met
this
committee
met.
This
committee
met
we're
working
on
this.
Any
questions
bam.
Next,
we
don't
need
to
go
through
an
in-depth
half-hour
hour
presentation.
C
So
I
think
that's
maybe
where
the
differing
of
presentations
is.
Is
that
because
we,
as
a
governing
body,
need
to
ensure
that
we're
well
informed
of
what's
going
on
with
this
committee,
because
there's
going
to
be
lots
of
questions
from
the
community
lots
of
feedback
from
the
community?
C
No,
I
think
we
need
to
have
real-time
information
and
so
maybe
set
the
expectation
with
the
committee.
You
don't
have
to
spend
a
week
on
developing
a
presentation.
Just
give
us
the
the
nuts
and
bolts
of
what's
happening
and
what's
upcoming,
that
way,
should
the
governing
body
want
to
participate,
it's
a
manner
or
keep
an
eye
on
it
and
inform
their
constituents
were
able
to
do
so.
So
I
think
that
was
at
least
my
perspective
of
the
monthly.
It
wasn't
a
monthly
one-hour
presentation
to
the
governing
body.
C
E
Yeah,
thank
you
councillor,
garcia!
Is
it
okay
with
you,
councillor
of
maryland,.
E
Thank
you.
So
I
think
I've
heard
I
think,
councilor
garcia
has
heard
the
concerns
of
both
councilwoman
via
real
councilwoman
cassette
sanchez,
and
you
madame
chair
and
we'll
we'll
get
back
together
the
sponsors
and
see
if
we
can
tweak
up
that
language
a
little
bit
and
see
if
we
can
find
something.
That'll
be
a
little
bit
easier
for
everyone
to
to
get
through
the
process.
So
I'll
make
sure
that
we
get
together
with
jesse
to
try
to
figure
out
how
we're
going
to
do
that.
A
Okay,
all
right
so
counselor
via
real
you
wanted
to.
I
don't
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to.
I
think,
we've
we've
commented
on
this.
I
I
don't
know
that
we're
ready
to
take
action
on
it.
E
Madam
terrify
me
yes
councillor
rivera.
I
think
all
these
amendments
may
need
some
re
re-tweaking
throughout
the
whole
process.
A
A
E
A
A
E
Yeah,
thank
you
manager,
we'll
we'll
look
at
all
those.
A
F
Counselor
vrl
majority
of
them
might
agree
with,
and
if
you
can
just
tweak
some
certain
things,
I
think
that
would
make
sense.
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
comment
on
is
adding
the
at
large
from
three
to
four,
and
I
would
rather
do
that
than
add
a
specific
youth
component
to
this
or
a
county
appointment
component,
because
then
we
can
have
more
flexibility
for
four,
with
an
idea
that
we
should
be
looking
at
youth.
We
should
be
looking
at
somebody
that
say
is
an
immigrant
or
a
african-american.
F
I
just
think
that
we're
like
limiting
ourselves
when
we
start
continuously
narrowing
it
down
more
and
more.
So
that's
why
I'm
okay
with
adding
the
at
large
to
go
to
four
with
the
idea
that,
yes,
we
could
get
a
youth
representa,
youth
representation.
Yes,
we
could
get
an
immigrant
representation
and
it's
not
so
much
about
someone
having
academic
or
some
kind
of
experience,
but
it's
really
the
lived
experience
that
I
care
about.
F
So
that's
why
I
would
support
this
rather
than
trying
to
be
narrow
and
starting
to
pick
at
like
specific
representations,
because
I
feel
like
this
is
already
narrowing
it
to
the
point
where
we're
creating
binaries
like
hispanic
and
native
american,
when
we
actually,
we
are
very
much
connected
to
each
other.
So
I
will
talk
about
that
in
a
minute.
But
let's
go
ahead
and
I
guess
vote
for
this.
First
yeah.
A
Just
to
add
on
to
that,
I
I
guess
I
would,
I
think
we
definitely
need
to
call
out
youth,
because
I
think
sometimes
we
forget-
and
I
do
think
they
should
be
part
of
this
conversation.
So
I
I
hear
you,
but
I
think
there
are
certain
folks
like
we
have
identified
that
definitely
need
to
be
called
out
and
not
just
put
put
in
a
other
category.
So
all
right,
are
we
ready
for
to
take
a
vote
on
no
recommendation
on
this
right
on
this
amendment?
A
While
it
gets
worked
on,
all
right
looks
like
we
are
jennifer.
Can
you
call
the
roll?
Yes
councillor,
garcia.
C
E
F
E
Hold
on
madam
chair,
if
I
can
so
I'm
sorry
just
in
trying
to
think
it
out,
then
the
person
or
com
we
would
have
to
establish.
Then
another
committee
to
review
and
evaluate
the
nominations
is
that
the
the
plan.
E
Counter
garcia,
since
you
made
the
motion
that
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
where
we
would
go
to
to
pick
the
list
of
people
and
for
the
task
force
we
had
about
66,
I
imagine,
there's
gonna
be
quite
a
bit
more
for
this
committee.
So
what's
the
plan?
If,
if
this
is
not
adopted
or
the
suggestion,
I
guess.
A
Yes,
counselor
garcia,
sorry.
C
Well,
I
mean
with
with
the
way
the
proposed
resolution
currently
sits.
I
mean
the
whomever
is
who
whomever
has
applied
or
recommended
goes
through
a
process.
I
am
assuming
the
mayor
determines
what
it
looks
like
what
I'm
proposing
and
will
be
proposing
on
finalizing
the
language
is
to
set
up
an
independent
review
body
that
will
be
demographically
made
up
of
the
makeup
of
the
city
of
santa
fe
and
surrounding
pueblo
and
indigenous
communities.
C
That's
my
that's
going
to
be
my
proposal
now,
if
that
I'm
hoping
the
governing
body
would
agree
with
that
and
approve.
That
recommendation
prove
that
amendment,
but
that's
that's
just
just
something
I'm
going
to
be
putting
forward.
E
C
C
C
While
we
once
upon
adoption
of
this
resolution,
we
immediately
start
moving
the
council,
the
governing
body,
the
community,
any
interested
organization
start
putting
forth
names
for
this
review
committee.
We
then
give
ourselves
a
two
week
timetable
to
have
applications
in
we
review
applications
over
a
week.
So
that's
three
weeks.
C
Meanwhile,
we're
already
getting
applications
for
these
folks
in
so
once
these
folks,
three
weeks
in
once
this
body
is
established,
they
can
quickly
then
review
the
applications
give
themselves
whatever
we
can
determine
what
that
timetable
looks
like
two
weeks
to
review
and
approve
make
the
recommendations
to
the
mayor.
So
I
think,
ultimately,
that
potential
time
frame
from
adoption
of
the
resolution
to
potential
acceptance
or
offering
of
these
positions
to
the
community
can
be
about
six
seven
weeks.
C
If
that
I
think
we
I
agree,
we
need
to
act
quickly,
but
we
also
need
to
ensure
we're
moving
forward
in
a
process
that
allows
us
to
move
forward
with
the
buy-in
and
the
credibility
of
the
community.
I
think
the
way
this
resolution
stands
now.
C
C
We
we
in
some
instances
we
want
to
try
to
pull
ourselves
out
of
the
process
as
much
as
this
I'm
already
getting
feedback
from
the
community
that
there's
already
identified
people
selected.
We
already
know
who
want
their
we're
going
to
select
on
this
committee,
which
is
not
the
truth
and-
and
I
think
we
can
all
agree
that
that's
not
the
truth,
but
we
need
to
ensure
that
the
community
understands
that
we're
going
to
have
a
completely
fair
and
transparent
process
with
this
and
the
way
we
do
that
is
by
creating
this
independent
committee.
C
The
city
of
albuquerque
did
the
same
thing:
the
the
way
that
the
city
of
albuquerque
did
their
processes
similar
process.
In
the
sense
they
brought
together
a
group
of
steering
committee
members
that
were
experts
that
reviewed
applications
for
their
overall
committee
members,
and
I
think
that
was
a
great
process.
I
liked
that
idea.
I
recommended
it
months
ago
to
the
mayor
and
I
I
still
strongly
believe
that
that's
how
we
do
it.
We
need
to
do
it
in
a
fair
and
transparent
manner
and
pull
ourselves
out.
A
Counselor
before
I
go
to
council
via
rail,
I
I'm
just
curious
who
would
appoint
the
steering
committee.
Do
you
have
you
run
into
the
same
problem?
I
mean
at
some
point.
You
know
we're
the
elected
officials.
We
you
do
have
to
trust
us
we
are
there
is.
The
resolution
does
indicate
the
type
of
people
who
should
be
on
this.
We're
trying
to
make
it
inclusive
we're
trying
to
make
sure
that
you've
got
a
variety
of
voice.
You've
got
a
full
pic.
A
You've
got
a
full
spectrum
of
voices
who
will
participate
that
that
again
is
inclusive.
I
I
don't
know
how
much
you
know
how
much
further
you
can
go.
I
I'm
very
interested
in
what
albuquerque
did
I'll
look
into
that,
but
but
I'm
not
sure
appointing
a
committee
to
appoint
a
committee
gets
you
what
you're
looking
for.
A
I
hear
you
counselor
cassette
sanchez,
you
have
your
hand
up.
I
actually
am
waiting.
Oh,
I
I'm
sorry
counselor
counselor
via
real.
F
And
then
counselor
cassette
sanchez,
I
I
hear
you
about
an
independent
review
committee.
However,
for
the
albuquerque
model,
the
mayor
actually
appointed
the
independent
review
committee
to
make
selections
for
their
committee,
so
it
ended
up
still
being
the
mayor
in
their
case.
So
I
don't
know
if
it's
getting
to
where
you're
thinking.
F
That
would
create
more
transparency,
and
I'm
wondering
with
this
amendment
that
is
being
proposed
about
how
eight
members
of
the
committee
shall
be
persons
nominated
by
members
of
the
governing
body.
If
that
helps
with
the
process
of
narrowing
down
the
selection
and
making
it
more
spread
out
with
the
governing
body
versus
having
committee
chairs,
make
the
selections
and
or
just
the
mayor.
F
F
So
how
do
we
then
balance
it
out
so
that
the
com?
You
know
the
governing
bodies,
part
of
this
potential
selections
like
we?
We
all
look
at
the
applications
for
the
task
force
and
and
weighed
in
what
you
thought
or
candidates
you
thought
was
strong.
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
that
process
could
work
here.
A
All
right,
I'm
gonna,
take
that
as
a
comment
counselor
cassette
sanchez.
What
is
your
question
or
thoughts.
K
Sorry,
muted
myself,
while
I
was
talking,
I
had
that
similar
question
of
it
almost
feels
like
we're
going
into
this
rabbit
hole
of
well.
We
can't
be
trusted
to
appoint
the
committee
so
we're
going
to
appoint
the
committee,
but
then
they've
been
appointed
by
somehow
connected.
So
I
I
do.
I
think
one
of
my
bigger
concerns
and
counselor
batteries
brought
it
up.
Very
much
is
how
is
the?
How
is
the
entire
governing
body
able
to
really
put
their
input
in
here?
K
And
that
is
that's
the
piece
that
I'm
looking
at
because
it's
true
we
are.
We
are
elected
officials,
we
are
elected
to
represent
the
community
and
I
know
we've
all
received.
You
know
emails
that
have
been
expressing
a
frustration
with
us,
but
we've
also
received
emails.
I
know
I've
received
emails
and
spoken
with
constituents
expressing
still
a
ability
to
communicate
with
us
and
understanding
what
a
complicated
situation
this
is.
K
I
think
that
it's
very
frequent
of
us
to
just
look
at
some
of
the
negative
pieces-
and
you
know
I
agree
with
councillor
garcia-
that
we
do
need
to
pull
ourselves
out
of
this
process
from
the
beginning.
K
I'm
sure
we'll
have
an
opportunity
to
hear
more
about
counselor
beta's
proposal
finance,
because
I
would
really
like
to
hear
more
about
what
his
thoughts
are
or
as
counselor
vaterial
brought
up.
You
know
the
way
that
the
public
health
and
safety
committee
was
done
to
be
looking
at
to
be
gathering
our
input
and
it's
a
little
different
because
it's
not
divided
by
district
at
this
point,
but
I
do
think
that
somehow
figuring
out
that
process
is
important
again,
because
there
are
so
many
different
ideas
here.
K
I
I
will
obse
you
know.
If
we
pull
this
to
a
vote,
I
I'm
not
going
to
move
it
forward
with
a
recommendation
or
move
it
forward
without
a
recommendation,
because
there
are
just
all
of
these
little
pieces
and
components
that
we
have
to
discuss
and
to
be
looking
at.
This
might
be
at
the
end
of
the
day.
The
final
decision
piece
this
might
be
a
good
result,
but
I
do
want
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
how
it
filters
down
to
the
rest
of
the
governing
body.
K
It
may
not
be,
but
I
honestly
until
I
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
that
full
decision
process.
I
think
that
you
know
it
needs
some
work,
but
I'm
also
not
not
against
the
three
chairs
being
the
ones
that
actually
sit
at
that
table
to
help
to
make
that
decision
either.
K
But
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
input
is
got
is
provided
by
the
rest
of
the
governing
body.
At
the
same
time,
okay,.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
So
I've
heard
a
couple
times.
I
just
want
to
clarify
that.
I'm
hearing
this
right
that
that
everyone
realizes
that
there'll
be
no
city
councillors
on
this
committee
right
or
the
mayor
themselves.
This
is
a
committee
made
up
of
no
government
governing
body
members
at
all,
so
this
is
just
to
review
and
evaluate
the
nominations,
and
then
you
know
counselors
based
on
councillor.
Abeyta's
amendment
would
have
a
say
in
at
least
one
one
of
the
members.
E
So
you
know
clearly
those
nominations
would
have
to
go
to
the
rest
of
the
governing
body
to
make
a
selection.
The
other
thing
was
back
to
timeliness
in
order
to
get
a
committee
together.
I
imagine
it'll
take
a
separate
resolution
which
would
be
still
needed
to
be
introduced
in
november.
E
All
of
through
november,
perhaps
be
decided
on
in
december,
maybe
january,
depending
on
on
how
things
go,
and
then
the
selection
process
for
the
committee
to
appoint
or
to
evaluate
the
the
nominations
I
think
would
then
take
depending
on
the
amount
of
nominations,
could
take
at
least
another
three
or
four
weeks.
I
think
we
are
looking
at
at
least
three
or
four
months,
and
I
understand
your
idea
about
being
transparent,
but
I'm
also
trying
to
be
as
quick
as
possible,
so
just
wanted
to
make
that
comment.
Madam
chair.
A
Thank
you
councillor
and
I
I
would
just
add
to
that
that
I
believe
and
again
I
think
we
need
to
hear
from
counselor
abeyta,
but
I
believe
his
amendment
is
that
the
members
of
the
governing
body
would
nominate
somebody,
so
that
would
mean
that
they're
just
putting
them
into
a
pool
of
people
for
consideration.
A
It's
really
this
resolution.
That's
going
to
drive,
you
know
who's
sitting
around
the
table.
It
says
we
want
one
of
this
kind
of
person,
one
of
this
kind
of
person-
and
you
know
three
of
people
who
are
more
at
large,
who
don't
fit
into
any
of
the
specified
types
of
people
so
just
to
make
that
clarification,
counselor,
garcia,
and
then
we
should
probably
move
on.
It
is
getting
late.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
to
council
rivero's
point.
We
wouldn't
need
to
introduce
a
separate
resolution.
You
can
introduce
an
amendment
that
adds
language
to
this
resolution
that
would
establish
this
during
committee.
So
I
completely
disagree
with
that.
We
don't
need
to
do
that.
My
second
point
is,
and-
and
this
is
my
share
justification
for
voting
no
on
this
amendment-
is-
there
is
not
indigenous
or
native
american
representation
that
is
going
to
be
selecting
this
committee.
C
C
One
side
gets
to
ensure
that
they're,
equally
representative
and
others
get
side,
gets
to
ensure
that
they're
equally
represented
and
everybody
agrees
on
the
final
committee
and
when
there
is
not
no
native
american
or
indigenous
representation.
That's
going
to
be
selecting
the
committee
members
you're
you're
not
going
to
have
any
buy-in
at
all
at
all.
C
So
with
that
that
that
is
my
main
point
for
shooting
for
for
not
wanting
to
approve
this
now
if
there
was
additional
members
that
had
native
american
representation
sure,
but
we
that
that
that
is
extremely
critical
and
it's
not
there.
A
Okay,
counselor
cassette
sanchez
and
then
really
guys.
We
do
need
to
move
on
here.
K
K
F
F
K
Okay,
just
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
piece,
because
I
think
that's
also
another
component,
as
we
start
to
think
about
in
this.
This
conversation,
counselor
garcia.
I
think
you're
right,
you
know
there.
There
is
a
challenge
that
nobody
on
this
council
is
is
has
any
indigenous
representation
or
can
represent
the
indigenous
population,
and
maybe
that
is
part
of
it
is
that
somebody
is
pulled
into
that
group.
As
that
conversation
recognizing,
where
our
shortfalls
as
a
as
a
from
the
diversity
in
our
council
fall.
A
Thank
you,
okay,
but
the
resolution
I
think,
does
call
to
include
indigenous
people,
and
so
whether
or
not
indigenous
people
are
picking,
people
doesn't
mean
that
indigenous
people
won't
be
represented
in
the
resolution.
I'm
gonna
stop
this
conversation
now
jennifer.
Would
you
please
call
the
role
in
this
motion,
and
maybe
we
can
restate
it?
We
are
voting
right
now
not
to
to
adopt
the
mayor's
amendment.
A
C
A
No
all
right
so
that
motion
fails.
Does
anybody
want
to
make
an
alternative
motion.
A
A
F
Yes,
counselor
the
amendment
that
had
to
do
with
adding
an
individual
to
be
nominated
by
the
santa
fe
board
of
commissioners.
Does
anyone
know
about
why
that
would
be
the
case
and
why
we
add
that
special
language
for
another
individual
to
be
appointed.
A
I
have
no
idea
why
why
this
is
coming
forward,
I
mean
I
don't
know
whether
they
asked
or
whether
he
thinks
that's
an
important
voice
to
to
capture.
I
I
don't
know
that's
why
it'd
be
good
to
hear
from
him.
F
And
then
the
other
one
was
to
strike
three:
let's
do
in
the
future.
It's
so
much
better
to
do
track
changes
on
the
actual
amendment
to
show.
I
know
this
is
the
procedure
we
follow,
but
it's
completely
confusing
and
to
try
to
explain
your
amendments
with
the
way
it's
written
it's
hard
and
I
think
the
way
we've
been
able
to
get
through
it
in
the
past
is
having
track
changes,
options
to
see.
A
Where
the
problem
is,
when
you
have
multiple
amendments,
I
think,
but
I
hear
you
I
mean
I
I
just
I
printed
it
and
I
wrote
and
I
marked
up
a
printed
copy,
so
the
other
amendment
at
least
eight
members
of
the
committee,
shall
be
persons
nominated
by
the
members
of
the
governing
body.
A
F
F
K
A
Yep
you're
right
all
right.
I
think
we
need
counselor
beta
to
talk
about
this,
so
I
I
would.
I
would
suggest
that
we
don't
do
anything
with.
A
M
Man,
chair
counselors,
I
was
just
gonna
mention
that
counselor
beta
did
not
provide
a
reasoning
for
adding
in
a
member
of
the
board
of
commissioners.
So
if
you
have
questions
about
that,
probably
be
best
to
ask
him.
A
Okay,
all
right
so
and
then
his
other
amendment.
This
is
the
one
that
adds
a
mayor's
youth
advisory
board.
A
A
K
Yes,
I
I
would
prefer
to
wait
to
be
able
to
ask
questions
of
counselor
beta
and
just
from
our
previous
conversations
there's
been,
you
know,
amendments
that
I
would
had
interpreted
differently
than
the
sponsors
had
intended.
So
I
would
like
to
be
able
to
speak
to
be
able
to
ask
questions
and
receive
answers
on
those.
F
Okay,
yes
counselor
via,
so
why
do
we
even
look
at
potential
amendments
for
people
that
are
council
members
that
cannot
or
do
not
show
up
for
committee
meetings
or
even
have
an
ability
to
discuss
them
when
they're
not
here,
and
so
why
do
we?
Even
I-
I
just
I'm
really
confused
by
that,
because
in
the
last
committee
meeting
we
actually
had
the
sponsors
of
those
amendments
show
up
to
a
finance
committee
to
talk
about
their
amendments
and
they
took
the
time
to
do
that.
So
I'm
just
like
wondering
what
the
hell.
A
Yeah,
I
think
you
know
we're
we
are
looking
at
our
process
and
ways
to
improve
it
and
and
living
in
real
time.
Some
of
the
examples
of
why
our
process.
A
Could
use
some
work
because
I
mean
well,
this
is
a
longer
conversation
than
again
the
hours
late.
I
don't
want
to
get
into
it,
but
yeah.
So
I
I
would
so
we
do
have
a
motion
on
the
on
the
floor
to
move
to
approve
this
bill,
understanding
that
there
are
amendments
that
need
to
be
made
that
will
be
made,
and
so
I
guess
I'd
I'd
like
to
go
forward
with
that.
If,
if
everybody
is
ready
to
do
that,.
F
Madam
chair,
I
I
just
had
to
make
a
couple
statements
about
the
amendments
I'm
considering
that
I
have
not
been
written
up
and
I'll
get
them
to
you
as
soon
as
I
can
solidify
language,
and
one
of
them
was
the
idea
that
the
way
people
get
considered
for
this
I
mean
sure
I
mean
anyone-
could
give
us
a
nomination.
Saying
oh
so,
and
so
would
be
great.
F
However,
if
that
person
wants
to
apply
and
be
considered
or
the,
if
that
person
wants
to
be
considered,
they
need
to
apply
whether
it's
just
a
regular
letter
of
interest
in
why
they
want
to
serve
to
make
it
simplified.
I'm
not
always
in
favor
of
always
requiring
people
to
provide
us
with
resumes
per
se.
F
But
I
do
think
we
should
say
the
people
that
are
eligible
are
folks
from
the
city
of
santa
fe,
santa
fe,
county
and
or
new
mexico.
I
don't
know
I
I
just
want
to
think
about
that
a
little
bit
more,
but
instead
of
I
just
think
we
need
to
change
that,
and
no
one
put
an
amendment
for
that
particular
particular
language
that
came
out
of
the
discussion
for
public
works.
So
I'm
not
sure
why
the
other
thing
was
about
chairs
and
how
they're
selected.
F
And
I
think
the
others
is
just
the
number,
the
sheer
number
of
people
that
we're
considering
and
now,
as
I
was
saying
before,
like
putting
groups
and
putting
labels
on
particular
groups
that
are
supposed
to
be
representative-
and
I
agree
with
my
colleague
about
them
not
being
homogeneous
like
we
can't
assume
that
everybody's
homogeneous
just
because
they
have
hispano
background,
and
so
what
I
was
struggling
with
is
the
way
this
was
worded
about
represent
representatives
that
are
representing
the
hispanic
culture
and
civic
groups
and
the
native
representation.
F
F
F
Just
because
I
don't
belong
to
tribe
doesn't
mean
I
don't
have
indigenous
blood,
so
I'm
struggling
with
that,
and
I
don't
know
how
to
make
it
so
that
we
make
sure
that
we
have
these
cultural
and
civic
groups
represented,
because
we
want
that
at
the
same
time
we
know
that
they're
mixed
and
so
the
binary
there
bothers
me
and
I'm
not
sure
what
to
do
about
that.
F
So
I'll,
stop
there
and
I'll
be
making
some
amendments
as
we
go
on
to
the
next
committee.
So
then
more
amendments
to
deal
with.
A
Okay,
are
we
ready,
then,
to
vote
on
this
bill,
recognizing
that
more
amendments
will
be
made
as
it
continues
to
move
forward
it
does?
It
does
have
to
pass
the
council
committee
in
order
to
go
to
governing
body.
A
A
Okay,
well,
I
I
don't
see
that
it
should
come
back
here.
We're
just
lengthening
the
process.
We
only
have
one
more
meeting
in
this
calendar
year
so
and
I
know
it's
going
to
finance-
and
I
know
three
of
the
five
of
us
sit
on
finance
and
two
of
the
five
five
of
us
sit
on
public
works
and
public
utilities.
So
I
don't
know,
the
other
thing
is,
if
you
don't
want.
The
motion
on
the
on
the
floor
is
to
adopt
this
this
resolution.
A
If
you
don't
want
to
do
that,
then
we
should
vote
that
motion
down
and
put
a
new
motion
in
or
we
can
move
it
forward,
recognizing
that
it
does
need
more
changes.
A
A
A
Second,
all
right:
jennifer:
can
you
call
the
role.