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A
Then
yes,
there
are
other
people,
but
these
people
I
think
are
just
I,
don't
believe:
they're
I
think
they're.
Just
attendees.
B
Okay,
so
let's
go
ahead:
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
started,
but
Loretta
promote.
B
A
Sorry
counselor
Lee
Garcia
is
out
correct.
He
is
excused
okay,
counselor
Michael
Garcia.
D
We're
doing
roll
call!
Sorry,
yes,
yes,.
A
B
Moving
on
to
approval
of
the
agenda.
Are
there
any
changes
from
staff
or
changing.
B
And
if
not,
can
I
please
get
a
motion
move
to
approve.
B
A
Counselor
Michael
Garcia,
yes,
counselor
via
Royal,
yes,
counselor
Chavez,
yes,
chair,
casket,
yes,
motion
pass.
Thank.
B
B
Wonderful,
thank
you,
so
B
and
C
can
I
get
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
because
that's
all
that's
left
on
the
consent
agenda.
A
B
Okay,
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
presentation
before
we
do
just
a
couple
pieces
of
housekeeping
Kira,
Ochoa
I'm,
assuming
that's
Marisol
Atkins,
who
I
think
is
involved
with
the
one
of
the
presentations
and
Andreas
Mercado,
still
all
need
to
be
promoted.
If
I
am
missing
anybody,
please
let
me
know
yeah.
A
I
understand
that
Dan
Jensen
will
be
doing
the
presentation.
F
Yes,
Madam
chair,
Steve
Johnson,
here
I'll,
be
presenting
on
behalf
of
the
fire
department
this
evening.
B
Okay,
thank
you
all
right.
So
let's
go
ahead
and
move
on
to
our
first
presentation.
So
it's
going
to
be
City
of
Santa
Fe,
Street,
Outreach,
updates
observation
and
needs.
We
have
Jason
Sharp
our
park
ranger
with
Parks
presenting
tonight,
and
it
seems
like
that's
going
to
be
our
only
presenter
for
this
one.
So
I
will
send
it
over
to
you.
Jason.
C
C
I
don't
have
the
slide
presentation.
Has
that
been
provided.
A
Yes,
I
will
go
ahead
and
pull
it
up
and
view
share.
My
screen
when
Mom
is
madam.
G
The
first
presentation
will
be
presented
by
Chief
Johnson
and
then
by
Jason
Sharp.
It's
all
one
presentation
and
it's
all
together
and
I
believe
Chief
Johnson's
portion
is
the
first
portion
wonderful.
B
C
B
F
You,
madam
chair,
I'm,
sorry
to
bump
you
Jason
you'll,
get
it
you'll,
get
your
shot
I'm
here
to
present
on
behalf
of
the
Santa
Fe
fire
department
and
and
talking
about
the
Global
Integrated
Health
office
and
the
alternative
Response
Unit
there
is
the
there's.
The
presentation
comes
up,
so
the
alternative,
Response
Unit,
is
what
it's
best
known
around
the
community
and
the
aru.
F
This
is
in
in
one
liner
is
a
public
safety
case
management
effort
next
slide,
please
so
talking
about
Health
in
general,
physical,
mental
health,
I.
Think
most
of
everyone
here
is
familiar
with
the
social
determinants
of
Health
the
the
neighborhoods.
We
live,
the
towns
we
choose
to
live
in
the
health
and
Health
Care
access,
or
lack
thereof,
social
and
Community
context,
who
are
our
friends
who's
our
relatives,
who
are
our
co-workers?
F
F
You
kick
but
put
in
putting
a
a
homeless
person
inside
this
and
without
one
of
these
bubbles,
the
rest
of
them
just
kind
of
crumble,
and
so
I
guess
that's
something
that
we
all
often
take
for
granted.
But
is.
G
F
Very
important
to
to
weigh
and
evaluate
when
considering
the
homeless
population
in
Santa
Fe
and
their
needs
next
slide.
Please.
F
In
August,
the
22,
the
fire
department
integrated
a
new
Reporting
System
in
in
that
Reporting
System.
We
integrated
these
simple
questions
for
every
report
that
we
write.
This
is
EMS,
including
EMS,
patient,
chart
reports
and
also
fire
response
reports.
So
the
author
of
the
report
has
just
asked
these
simple.
Yes,
no
questions
was
the
incident
associated
with
the
homeless
encampment
or
was
is
homelessness
a
suspected
or
confirmed
factor
in
this
incident?
F
Yes,
no
or
unable
to
determine
so
we
put
these
questions
in
in
September,
I,
believe
and
since
that
point
we've
been
collecting
data
on
that
14
of
all
of
our
reports
and
and
responses
are
associated
with
homelessness
in
the
city
and
when
you
look
at
the
aru
specific
42
percent
of
their
calls
are
associated
with
homelessness.
So
quite
a
large
number
next
slide.
Please.
F
So
in
the
fire
department,
we
are
we're
realizing
that
our
world
is
connected.
We
fight
fires,
we
run
on
medical
calls
and
we
are
now
providing
mobile
Integrated
Health
for
for
several
individuals,
and
these
efforts
are
all
connected.
They're,
not
just
isolated
efforts
that
that
we
do
the
below
picture
is,
is
obviously
a
picture
of
a
fire
where
the
fire
crew
is
mopping
up.
F
But
in
fact
this
was
a
a
homeless
encampment
under
a
bridge
here
in
town
that
erupted
into
flames
and
actually
resulted
in
in
the
a
fatality
injury.
F
So
it's
it's
not
just
a
fire
department,
it's
not
just
treating
that
patient
who's
burned,
but
but
you
know,
this
person
that
that
was
was
injured
severely
was
from
was
known
to
our
to
our
mih
and
aru
folks,
with
our
new
system
of
of
charting,
we
are
able
to
data,
collect
and
track
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
information,
which
is
has
been
very
valuable
in
what
we
known
or
what
we
are
called
as
longitudinal
care.
F
So
in
brief
and
in
history,
the
fire
department
goes
to
a
call.
We
take.
We
mitigate
the
emergency
yeah
right
then,
and
there
and
then
move
on
to
the
next
one,
whereas
we're
not
really.
We
were
never
able
to
or
considered
the
the
possibility
that
that
what
happens
to
that
we're
running
on
the
same
person
multiple
times.
H
F
F
Case
managers
are
are
curious
and
they're
very
understanding.
They're
out
there
meeting
the
people
in
the
community
and
the
folks
in
need
are
living
on
the
streets
they're
taking
the
time
to
learn
their
stories,
and
it's
not
just
a
one-time
effort.
You
know,
it'll
take
the
several
times
of
you
know
getting
to
know
a
case
manager
or
or
allowing
a
case
manager
to
really
to
to
hear
and
and
feel
the
the
struggles
and
the
feelings
of
someone
who
is
homeless.
F
F
The
aru
and
case
managers,
so
they
they
really
do
they
once
they
identify
somebody
living
on
the
street
and
in
need
of
services
or
help
their
their
work
then
is
directed
to
connecting
them
to
to
different
services
and
efforts.
F
Some
of
those
in
town
crisis
centers
such
as
LaSalle
the
mobile
crisis
response
team.
They
connect
them
to
the
Santa
Fe
Recovery
Center
for
Rehab
mental
health,
Santa
Fe,
Community,
Guidance,
Center
and
housing
places
in
town
like
la
Luz,
beats
Place
St,
Elizabeth
Consuelos
next
slide.
Please.
F
So
the
needs
the
needs
of
the
homeless
in
the
community.
After
speaking
to
several
members
of
the
aru
and
and
the
Mah
team,
it
feels
like
to
them
that
their
housing
is
is
in
a
need
and
different
shelter
options
are
certainly
needed.
F
They
recognize
that
there
are
several
brick
and
mortar
type
of
facilities
around
town
and
they
do
their
best
to
connect
people
to
the
to
services,
but
within
the
brick
and
mortar
kind
of
structures
and
buildings
support
inside
those
Services
is
is
really
in
need.
They
they
talk
about
running
into
barriers
of
of
trying
to
get
their
their
folks
into
into
housing
and
into
different
Services,
even
though
they
exist.
F
There's
there's
a
lot
of
work
and
there's
a
lot
of
effort
just
trying
to
get
them
the
help
that
they
need
and
and
keeping
them
there
so
support
for
Community,
Services,
Housing,
Shelter
options.
F
C
Thank
you.
Chairwoman.
Thanks
Chief
appreciate
the
the
update,
so
it
kind
of
asked
me
to
come
here
and
talk
about
a
little
about.
You
know
what
we're
seeing
from
you
know
our
our
perspectives
and
just
want
to
talk
a
little
about
what
we're
currently
doing.
C
C
I
want
to
highlight
the
second
bullet
point
here
when
we
contact
and
connect
to
resources,
we've
done
a
really
good
job
of
building
a
rapport
with
the
the
non-profit,
Outreach
Community.
We've
had
a
lot
of
positive
feedback
on
their
clients
response
to
how
we
handle
situations.
C
We
just
don't
go
in
and
and
clear
out
a
camp.
You
know
we're
there
to
assist
people
going
through.
You
know
a
crisis
in
some
instances
and
one
of
the
big
Parts.
What
we
do
is
like
like
Chief
was
saying,
is
we
build
rapport
with
the
community?
We
work
with.
C
C
C
If
these
camps
aren't
located
quickly,
they
have
a
tendency
to
get
out
of
control
and
out
of
proportion.
Some
of
the
things
that
we
see
affecting
this
environment
is
toxic
algae
blooms.
C
You
know
they
introduce
harmful
chemicals
into
the
to
the
Waterway
trash.
Can
clog
drainages?
You
know
creating
flooding
and
erosion
in
in
areas
that,
when
the
water,
when
erosion
happens,
it
takes
away
the
the
environment's
natural
ability
to
sustain
itself.
C
These
are
some
of
the
other
environmental
issues
we're
running
into
wildfires.
There's
a
are
a
big
concern:
not
only
how
destructive
they
are,
they
can
be
to
life
safety
and
property,
but
it
also
hurts
the
natural
environment,
and
you
know
Park
Rangers.
C
We
wear
a
lot
of
hats,
so
we
look
after
people,
you
know
Public
Safety
property,
but
one
of
our
main
concerns
is
the
the
environment,
and
when
people
are
introduced
into
these
habitats
it
it
tends
to
throw
off
the
migrational
patterns
or
habits
of
of
wildlife.
That's
something
we
don't
like
to
see
a
lot
of
times.
C
Occupants
will
destroy
vegetation,
cut
down,
trees,
start
fires
and
fires
aren't
necessarily
contained
very
well
and
they
have
a
tendency
to
get
out
of
control
like
Chief
Johnson
was
saying
earlier
that
camp
actually,
is
this
these
pictures
over
here
to
my
left,
we
did
a
big
Cleanup
in
this
area.
This
is
when
our
larger
cleanups
actually
cost
about
twenty
thousand
dollars,
so
these
camps
can
be
costly,
both
financially
and
environmentally.
C
Next
slide.
Please.
C
Some
of
the
statistics,
the
demographics
Trends
and
costs
that
we're
seeing
associated
with
camps
on
average,
it
costs
about
22
100
to
to
clean
up-
and
this
all
depends
on
you
know
size
location,
sometimes
they're,
located
in
remote
or
areas,
and
it
makes
it
harder
to
to
get
into
these
camps
most
of
the
the
population
the
homeless
population
that
we
interact
with
are
their
locals.
They've
lived
here
for
years,
they've
had
they
have
family
members
that
have
lived
here
for
Generations.
C
We
don't
see
a
whole
lot
of
people
younger
people.
Most
of
the
people
we
encounter.
Are
you
know
over
over
30.
A
lot
of
them
are
elderly,
some
of
the
barriers
that
they
talk
to
us
about.
Why
they
they're
having
issues
being
sheltered,
is
issues
with
local
shelters.
I
mean
shelters,
have
rules.
So
if
you
violate
the
rules,
you
you're
not
allowed
to
be
there.
So
some
people
run
into
run
into
that.
C
They
don't
trust,
they
don't
trust
government,
they
don't
trust
organizations,
they
have
issues
with
the
shelter's
covet
policies.
C
C
A
lot
of
what
we
hear
is
that
people
don't
like
congregate,
shelters
who,
like
non-congregate,
shelters
and
they
like
to
have
their
own
space.
They
don't
they
don't
trust
other
people
around
their
stuff.
Next
slide.
Please.
C
Some
of
the
things
we're
hearing
from
the
community
about
their
concerns
on
you
know
the
homeless
camps
and
people
experiencing
homelessness
from
the
community.
Is
you
know,
there's
they're
scared
about
crime.
You
know
they're
worried
about
getting
hurt,
they
feel
threatened
in
some
cases.
They
don't
like
to
see
their
Open
Spaces.
C
C
What
was
what
we're
seeing?
What
they're
telling
us
from
the
homeless
population
is
some
of
the
things
that
they
want
and
their
concerns
are.
You
know
they
also.
They
want
a
safe
place
to
stay.
It's
a
very
dangerous
area,
it's
very
dangerous
out
there.
C
They
want
a
place
where
they
know
that
they
can
store
their
stuff
where
it's
not
going
to
be
stolen
and
a
lot
of
these
a
lot
of
these
people
have
mental
health
issues.
Addiction
issues
you
know
so
getting
somebody
that's
drunk
or
or
high
into
a
shelter
that
has
a
higher
barrier,
is
an
obstacle
that
they
run
into
next
slide.
Please
be.
C
And
these
are
kind
of
some
of
the
things
that
we
like.
We
would
want
to
see
more
coordination
between
departments
and
other
non-profit
groups
volunteer
groups,
more
options
that
we
could
recommend
to
people
who
say
have
been
removed
from
a
shelter
are
not
allowed
to
be
at
a
shelter.
You
know
an
option,
a
place
that
we
can.
We
can
send
them
when
we're
done
to
pack
up
their
home
and
and
belongs
and
move
somewhere
else,
a
control
like
a
a
controlled
space.
C
So
a
campsite,
something
that's
managed
that
way.
You
can,
you
know,
keep
track
of.
The
cleanliness
have
contain
like
say
fire
pits,
so
the
fire
issue
isn't
as
much
of
a
concerned
and
then
a
you
know
a
place
where
High
need
individuals
can
receive
24-hour
care
and
oversight.
C
B
Thank
you
both
so
much
for
being
here
and
for
for
sharing
this
work
and
I
know
that
our
next
presentation
will
also
dovetail
quite
nicely
with
this
topic.
I
will
go
ahead
and
open
it
up
to
members
of
the
committee
for
questions.
I
Couldn't
find
it
at
first
I
have
to
get
used
to
this
format
again.
Thank
you
both
for
the
presentation
and
the
information.
I
was
just
curious.
A
couple
things
first
about
the
mijo.
Well,
an
alternative,
Response
Unit
program
and
deputy
chief
Johnson
you
presented.
Are
you
now
part
of
aru
or
I'm
just.
F
It's
a
woman
be
around
and
Madam
chair,
I
am
a
supervisor
oversee
the
aru
staff
and
I
am
presenting
on
behalf
of
the
fire
department.
I
Okay
and
then
there's
a
at
the
end
of
your
site,
it
says
continued
support
for
aru.
So
can
you
elaborate
specifically
about
what
that
would
entail
sure.
F
Madam,
chair,
councilwoman,
Uriel,
we've
appreciated
the
support
and
the
rapid
growth
of
this
program.
We've
got
seven
case
managers
and
two
dedicated
EMS
captains;
third
EMS
captain
that
fills
in
when
needed
and
case
manager,
supervisor,
mih,
paramedic
and
and
battalion
chief.
G
F
All
operating
that
that
program,
so
it's
it's
grown
rapidly
in
the
last
few
years,
and
our
our
capacity
to
help
the
community
has
has
has
expanded,
extraordinarily
I
believe
that
no
matter
how
much
well,
we'll
always
be
in
the
city
will
always
be
in
need
of
more
and
as
we
grow
carefully
I
think
we
we
we
just
look
forward
to
having
more
support
as
as
is
needed.
What
that
specifically
entails
I
think
is,
is
not
yet
known.
There's
a
lot
of
different
directions
that
we
could
go
from
here.
I
Thank
you,
I
guess,
I
I
want
to
know,
maybe
not
tonight,
but
just
how
we
continue
to
expand
and
what
that
support
looks
like,
because
I
think
director
Choi
had
talked
about
well,
funding,
isn't
necessarily
the
pathway
to
make
something
function.
Well,
so
you
know
I'm
I'm,
more
Curious,
just
as
a
comment
like
structurally
how
things
can
look
differently
for
the
Department
that
makes
everybody's
job
a
lot
more
efficient
and
easier
to
kind
of
work
together.
I
So
that's
what
I'm,
envisioning
or
hoping
for
the
aru
and
and
look
forward
to
further
conversations
about
that
and
then
my
other
question
was
for
Jason
Sharp.
Thank
you
for
your
information
and
I
was
just
curious.
The
slide
that
you
presented
about
demographics,
it
had
specific
points
on
there
and
I
was
just
curious.
How
you
compiled
that
data,
how
you
were
able
to
collect
that
data
from
folks
you're
working
with
or
in
the
you're
talking
about
the
encampments.
So
you
need
to
say
more
about
that.
C
Madam,
chair
counselor,
that's
a
that's
a
good
question.
I've
talked
with
my
director
a
lot
about
how
we
came
up
with
those
numbers.
C
We
use
those
numbers
from
the
cleanups
that
we
have
conducted
since
the
city
changed
its
policy
and
we
started
working
jointly
with
health
and
Community
or
Youth
and
Family
Services
Group
I.
Do
that
start
back
in
in
July,
and
so
those
clean
up
the
the
financials
come
from
the
financial
numbers.
C
Come
from
that
the
data
that
we
have,
the
the
number
of
camps
was
pulled
from
the
I
can't
remember
the
exact
name
of
the
report
that
the
city
commissioned,
but
it
came
from
the
city
commissioned
report
on
a
projected
homelessness
numbers
and
that's
how
we
got
those
numbers.
I
C
C
Yes,
so
we
I
mean
those
are
just
kind
of
some
of
the
the
what
we
are
seeing,
the
the
populations
that
we
that
we
encounter
in
our
you
know
day-to-day
weekly
we
make
about
150
contacts,
so
we're
we're
busy,
and
these
are
just
come-
the
the
stuff
that
is
reported
that
that
my
team
reports
back
to
me.
I
I
Yeah
I
think
I
think
we
need
to
probably
get
that
a
little
bit
tuned
in,
because
I
don't
think
you
can
assume
what
somebody's
race
is
or
ethnicity
by
just
the
way
they
look,
and
then
the
age
range
I
mean
I.
Think
it'd
be
good
for
us
to
know
so
that
we
can
see
like
what
populations
are,
are
most
underserved
and
and
experiencing
homelessness
and
are
in
encampments
and
I
know
you
all
talk
to
them.
I
I
guess
I
just
really
want
us
to
like
be
more
specific
about
it,
just
for
our
purposes
and
then
for
your
purposes.
So
we
can
really
understand
the
populations
we're
working
with
that's.
C
A
that's
a
great
Point
Council
and
we're
actually
looking
to
develop
a
developed
methods
to
better
track.
How
we
keep
these
statistics
is
this?
Wasn't
something
really
that
was
planned
so.
D
I
did
have
some
questions
around
how
we
arrived
at
that
data,
especially
when
we
are
trying
to
you
know,
state
things
such
as
age
that
folks
are
local
Etc,
because
you
know
you
have
a
lot
of
folks
in
our
community
who
believe
that
a
lot
of
good,
sheltered
folks
in
our
community
aren't
local,
so
I
I
think
we
need
a
really
drill
down
and
and
ensure
that
if
we
are
going
to
represent
such
information
that
we
have
the
data
to
back
it
up
and
not
to
say,
that's
inaccurate
or
accurate,
I,
just
I
think
it'd
be
good
for
us
to
know
that
way.
D
We
can.
The
data
would
help
us
to
determine
which
direction
to
point
folks
in
when
we
begin
to
support
them
in
these
Services
I
guess
it
was
just
my
my
the
one
question
I
had
was
asked
by
councilwoman
via
real,
but
I
also
just
got
an
observation
that
it
seems
as
if
fire
in
our
Parks
Rangers
have
taken
the
lead
on
aru
and
not
much
police
presence
in
regards
to
responses.
That
is
there
a
reason
for
that.
D
Is
it
because
we're
at
low
capacity
with
our
police
force
just
just
wonderful
wondering,
because
it
does
take
I
completely
understand
when
somebody
shows
up
it,
takes
them
away
from
responding
to
a
different
situation.
So
I
guess
just
out
of
curiosity.
Why
are
we
seeing
a
little
police
response
that
shows
up
versus
you
know?
Sometimes
one
or
two
fire
officers
and
a
park
ranger
a.
C
Chairwoman,
counselor
that
that's
not
the
case
at
all.
We
we
work
very
closely
with
our
Police
Department.
Our
our
bike
team
has
been
extremely
hopeful
in
our
our
efforts
and
we
have
collaborated
very
closely
and
had
a
lot
of
success
in
our
cleanup
efforts.
G
Counselor
Casa
counselor
Garcia
thanks
for
that
question.
Yes,
as
Jason
said,
the
bike
Team
Works
to
ideally
follow
up
after
a
park,
ranger
encounter
to
make
sure
Camp
is
clear.
G
There
are
a
couple
of
reasons
why
the
PD
is
not
present
on
the
aru.
We
did
start
out
with
that
model
of
one
officer
actually
responding
to
all
calls
that
the
aru
goes
out
on
as
the
project
evolved.
It
became
clear
that
that
wasn't
really
necessary
that
the
case
management
was
really
the
heart
of
the
encounter
and
it
also
wasn't
necessary
for
safety
So
currently
and
the
other
thing
we
heard
from
the
officer
and
the
teams
were
sometimes
people
didn't
respond.
G
Well,
when
an
officer
was
on
scene
they'd
maybe
had
previous
negative
encounters
with
law
enforcement
or
weren't
trusting
of
law
enforcement,
so
the
outcomes
were
actually
better
when
the
law
enforcement
was
not
present.
That
said,
whenever
the
aru
goes
out,
there
is
an
assigned
officer
to
that
unit,
who's
tracking,
where
they
are
in
the
city
at
any
given
time
for
safety.
I
hope
that
clarifies
your
question.
D
It
does
thank
you,
I
really
appreciate
it.
I
just
again.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
because-
and
the
reason
I
ask-
is
that
if
you
may
recall
last
time
we
had
this
meeting,
we
were
doing
the
bar
and
Jason's
team
was
asking
for
bulletproof
vests,
and
it
shows
the
seriousness
that
they're,
taking
into
the
situation
that
they
feel
like
they're
might
be
situations
where
their
their
life
requires,
that
their
safety
requires
having
a
bulletproof
vest
and
so
I
guess.
That's
the
question
of
why.
D
You
know
kind
of
all
systems,
clear
situation,
I'll
Trust
the
process,
but
I
do
want
to
ensure
that
again,
I
hate
to
be
in
a
situation
where
Mr
sharper,
one
of
his
team
members
or
or
deputy
chief
Johnson's
folks
are
injured
and,
and
we
need
that
response
time
from
our
police
officers
and
in
a
relatively
expedient
manner.
So
thank
you
for
the
clarification.
I
really
appreciate
it.
D
Mr
Sharp
and
deputy
chief
Johnson
just
thank
you
all
for
your
time
and
effort
in
this
director,
Ochoa
I
know
this
is
kind
of
a
working
progress
it.
It
is
a.
D
It
is
ultimately
going
to
be
providing
critical
services
to
those
folks
that
are
needing
our
community,
whether
it
is
going
to
encampments
or
you
know,
in
situations
like
today,
I
mean
I,
I,
immediately,
think
of
freezing
temperatures
and
making
sure
folks
are
safe
and
and
how?
How
can
we
ensure
that
those
that
are
in
sheltered
in
our
community
are
not
going
to
freeze
to
death
tonight,
I
mean
it
is
cold,
and
so
again
thank
you.
Director,
Ocho
I
really
appreciate
you
taking
this
on
and
I
just
appreciate
the
effort.
K
Thank
you,
chair,
cassette
I.
Just
this
is
a
request
for
information,
mostly
I
just
want
to
put
it
out
there
and
I'm
sure
you
have
some
of
this
information,
but
Jason
as
you
were
presenting
you
mentioned
him,
developing,
really
strong
relationships
with
Community
Partners
and
having
worked
in
the
world
of
like
Community
work
that
I
have
in
the
past.
Like
I
know,
Santa
Fe
is
very
rich
in
our
Community
Partners
and
I
feel
like
in
regards
to
addressing
homelessness.
K
We're
going
to
have
to
come
together
as
government
agencies
and
Community
Partners
are
going
to
have
to
align
our
efforts
in
addressing
the
issue
so
in
the
slideshow.
You
know,
I
heard,
like
concerns
from
the
community
concerns
from
our
community
members
that
are
homeless,
but
I'm
also
wondering
what
feedback
we're
collecting
in
regards
to
Community
Partners
and
what
they
kind
of
see
the
gaps
in
the
process
are
what
they
think
the
initiatives.
What
initiatives
need
to
be
kind
of
implemented
immediately
to
help
them
be
more
successful
serving
this
population?
K
So
it's
a
very
big
question.
If
you
can
offer
some
information,
but
that's
something
director,
Ojo
I'll
probably
want
to
Circle
back
with
you
on
at
some
point,
I've
been
saying
over
and
over
again
we're
so
rich
in
Community
Partners,
but
until
we
kind
of
all
align
our
efforts,
that's
the
only
time
that
we're
truly
going
to
feel
the
benefits
of
what
we
have
present
here
in
Santa
Fe
in
regards
to
Community,
Resources
and
services,
so
I
really
think
their
voice
and
what
they
think
is
best.
K
A
F
Madam,
chair,
councilor,
Chavez,
I'll,
speak
to
that
and
yeah
the
the
needs
for
Community
Partners
are
are
huge.
I
think
I
touched
on
that
on
my
presentation
that
we
have
several
services
in
town
but
I
think
as
as
any
any
service
in
in
our
nation
right
now
we're
in
need
of
more
workers,
we're
in
need
of
more
folks
within
those
those
brick
and
mortar
services
to
to
provide
counseling
and
to
provide
guidance
to
to
those
who
are
in
need
of
those
services.
F
So
it's
not
it's
not
just
enough
of
getting
them
inside
that
that
building,
but
the
support
within
the
building
to
to
take
them
under
their
wing
and
and
make
sure
that
they're
getting
what
they
need
in
the
long
run.
G
And
well
Madam
chair
if
I
may
Council
Chavez.
Thank
you
for
that
great
question.
It
is
a
big
question.
I'd
love
to
sit
down
with
you
on
it.
I
just
do
want
to
give
a
shout
out,
and
actually
it's
a
good
sag,
probably
to
Dr
Van
voorhees's
presentation
to
our
Santa
Fe
Housing
Initiative.
G
That
is
a
very
much
a
community-based
partnership
to
solve
the
problem.
Together.
That's
made
up
of
the
city,
the
county
foundations
that
I
would
say.
Even
more
importantly,
all
the
providers
who
work
in
this
field
and
now,
thanks
to
the
work
of
a
wonderful
consultant,
Marisol
Atkins
who's
hired
by
the
Santa
Fe
Housing
Initiative,
a
lot
of
folks
with
lived
experience,
a
lived
experience
board
as
well
as
a
really
new,
very
robust
group
of
I
think
over
60
volunteers,
who
many
of
whom
have
case
management
backgrounds
and
Social
Work
backgrounds.
G
So
there
really
is
I
would
say
in
Santa,
Fe
right
now,
a
real,
exciting,
Grassroots
effort.
That's
in
combination
with
what
city,
county
and
other
funders
are
doing.
Just
look
at
the
many
ways
to
address
the
problem,
and
you
know
we
all
are
really
aligned
in.
In
coming
back
to
this
idea
that
you
don't
solve
all
homelessness
with
one
big
sweeping
policy,
you
solve
it
by
knowing
who
folks
really
are
so.
Thank
you
for
those
questions
about
demographics
and
Julie,
Sanchez
and
and
her
team
is
working
on.
G
You
know
getting
a
better
way
to
collect
good
data
in
a
in
a
sensitive
manner.
That
is
accurate.
Who
are
these
folks?
Where
are
they
from
what
do
they
need
to
be
stabilized
and
housed,
and
that's
what
we
need
to
do
to
kind
of
create
a
more
working
system
so
that
we
come
up
with
the
kinds
of
housing
options
that
you
know,
Joe
schmoe,
that's
a
terrible
name
needs.
You
know,
whoever
that
person
actually
is
do
they
need
housing
with
a
pet?
G
Do
they
need
daily
check-ins
from
you
know,
a
social
worker?
Do
they
need
hourly
check-ins
from
a
social
worker?
Do
they
need
to
be
reunited
with
their
family?
Unless
we
know
who
folks
are
by
name
and
have
what
is
known
in
the
bolt
for
zero
parlance
as
a
by
name
list,
we
won't
really
get
there
and
we're
closer
than
ever,
but
we're
not
there.
Yet.
B
Did
you
have
any
other
further
questions?
Counselor
Travis?
Thank
you.
I
just
have
a
couple
follow-up
questions,
kind
of
for
both
parts
of
the
the
conversation
one
I
do
want
to
follow
up
a
little
bit
on
what
councilman
veteriel
started
to
touch
on
with
the
structural
needs
for
how
we
start
to
expand.
B
Aru
I
know
that
we
had
actually
we
we
started
to
talk
about
this
last
budget
season,
or
maybe
it
was
a
mid-year
budget
adjustment
I
can't
recall,
which,
which
budget
conversation
it
was,
but
I
know
that
there
were
a
couple
needs
identified.
There
were
some
needs
for
expanded
training
and
it
sounds
like
right
now
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
mystery
as
to
as
to
what
the
structural
needs
are
and
I'm
curious.
B
What
has
been
done
over
the
last
year
as
well
as
how
are
we
analyzing?
What
is
going
to
be
needed
in
order
to
really
expand
this
program
and
I'll
I'll
elaborate
a
little
bit.
One
of
the
reasons
you
know.
Aru,
obviously,
is
a
really.
You
know
incredible
and
Innovative
program
and
and
we're
all
you
know,
we've
all
been
very
eager
to
watch
it
grow.
B
There's
been
so
much
conversation
about
the
lack
of
Mental
Health
Resources
in
the
community
and
and
there's
something
that
I
think
that's
really
special
about
aru.
You
know
really
being
able
to
go
out
in
that
capacity,
and
it
is
something
that
the
city
is
able
to
really
help
solve
this
problem.
And,
of
course,
you
know
as
councilor
Travis
mentioned,
Community
Partners
are
huge.
B
Really
looking
at
Healthcare
infrastructure
is
huge,
but
I
am
really
curious
about
how
the
city
does
really
work
and
what
are
the
ways
that
we
can
figure
out
the
structure
so
that
we
can
really
support
the
growth
of
the
aru.
G
A
counselor,
casitive
I
might
take
that
question
and,
and
chief
Moya
can
help
me
answer
as
well.
Thank
you
for
that.
It's
I
wouldn't
say
it's
a
mystery.
We're
looking
at,
what's
going
on
very
carefully
with
the
two
units
that
we
have
we're,
recognizing
one
that
these
folks
are
doing,
a
public
safety
response.
It's
a
new
kind
of
Public
Safety
response.
G
The
case
managers
are
wonderful
and
they're.
You
know,
for
the
most
part,
I
think
really
happy
to
have
this
this
job
with
the
city.
It's
a
new
kind
of
support
that
they're
getting
both
from
the
fire
department
and
from
the
contracted
Behavioral
Health
director,
but
they're,
not
in
a
union
and
that's
an
issue,
and
we
hope
that
you
know
their
efforts
to
keep
become
unionized
will
be
accepted
and
recognized.
G
That's
not
you
know
our
job
to
put
them
in
the
union.
That
I
think
that's
going
to
be
important
just
in
terms
of
giving
them
the
structural
support.
Like
many
classifications
in
the
city,
I
mean
this
one
is
relatively
new,
but
as
you
guys
you
all
know
for
years,
and
maybe
even
decades,
we've
recognized
many
classifications
in
the
city
that
could
benefit
from
a
career
ladder
where
we
don't
just
have.
You
know
case
manager
one,
but
we
have
case
manager,
two
that
goes
on
to
case
manager,
supervisor
an
ideal
case.
G
G
But
our
Fitch
study
excuse
me
that
the
fire
department
has
commissioned
a
Workforce
study
that
looks
at
the
overall
data
around
call
volume.
What
kinds
of
calls?
What
is
the
overall
risk
in
the
community
and
how
should
the
fire
department
respond
and
how
should
other
parts
of
the
city
potentially
I
mean
it's
a
little
Beyond
fetch,
but
it
will
suggest
to
us
in
combination
with
the
workforce
study
we
to
police
where
to
respond.
So
we're
waiting
for
that
study
to
be
done.
G
I
believe
it
should
be
done
within
the
next
month
and
they've
done
a
pretty
robust
look
at
all
the
data
from
the
fire
department.
They've
interviewed
fire
department,
staff
myself
and
they
they're
experts
in
structures
from
other
part,
other
communities
around
the
nation
and
so
and
Innovative
structures
that
will
help
us
respond,
so
that
is
sort
of
the
hopefully
not
too
long-winded
answer.
We
also
welcome
the
recommendations
of
the
community
health
and
safety
task
force
regarding
this
issue
and
we've
looked
at
other
structures
around
New
Mexico.
G
G
We
have
been
it's
not
a
year
where
we're
you
know
asking
for
the
moon
in
terms
of
budget,
as
you
all
know,
given
Revenue
projections
and
so
we're
holding
steady,
we're
also
very
actively
looking
at
Grant
resources
to
fund
this
work
as
well
as
Medicaid
reimbursement.
So
you
know
it's
it's
not
as
quick
as
everyone
would
like
when
they
see
an
incredible
service
like
aru
and
how
wonderful
it
would
be
to
replicate
it
I'm
sure.
If
you
talk
to
Chief
Joy
he'll
tell
you
we
want
10
of
these
and
we
do
they're
wonderful.
G
The
case
managers
will
tell
you,
as
Chief
Johnson,
you
know
pointed
out.
We
need
places
to
take
folks,
we
need
Services,
we
need
medical
detox
in
town.
We
need
housing
options
and
shelter
options
that
we
don't
have,
so
we
could
put
10
teams
out
there
find
10
times
more
people
and
then
what
so?
You
know
it's
a
it's.
A
big,
complex
question:
I
welcome
the
chance
to
sit
down
with
any.
B
Yeah,
no
thank
you.
I
really
appreciate
it
and
I
I
do
know
that
it
is
a
pretty
complex.
You
know
it's
complicated
to
be
to
be
moving
into
this
new
space
and
definitely
something
that
I
know.
I
would
like
to
consider
these
conversations
in
depth
of
really
you
know,
trying
to
understand
and
how
we
can
be
of
support
and
I.
Think
that
you
know
you.
B
You
and
I
have
spoken
about
this
before
as
well
of
that
need
for
how
do
we
really
support
the
community
in
or
help
build
the
Community
Partners
in
order
for
them
to
help
support?
You
know
the
individuals
that
we
are
identifying,
because
it
does
feel
challenging
when
there
isn't
there
isn't
a
place
to
take
somebody
and
you
can't
identify
their
need.
So
thank
you
for
that.
I.
Look
forward
to
seeing
the
results
of
the
Fitch
study
and
and
to
continuing
this
conversation
then
so
that
will
that
will
be
helpful.
Thank
you.
B
My
second
question
has
is
probably
a
bit
of
a
combo
for
maybe
both
and
maybe
Dr
ochoey
or
the
individual
too.
To
answer
it
I'm
curious
what
we
are
finding
out
in
terms
and
and
I
know
again,
there's
there's
so
much
that
we're
already
doing
just
to
to
treat
the
issue,
but
you
know
I
always
put
on
my
public
health.
Brain
of
you
know.
An
ounce
of
prevention
is
worth
a
pound
of
treatment
and
I'm
I'm,
just
interested
in
some
of
the
data
that's
being
collected.
B
If
there
is
information
that
we're
garnering
about
prevention,
I
know
that
you
know,
rapid
rehousing
has
been
something
that
we've
really
talked
about:
yeah
and
I.
It's
definitely
it's
a
long-term
piece.
You
know
if
we're
talking
prevention,
you
know,
I
was
talking
to
somebody
the
other
day
and
I
said
the
homelessness.
B
You
know
concern
it's
not
just
what
we're
not
you
know
what
we
need
to
do
now,
but
what
has
not
been
happening
for
the
last
50
years
and
so
how
we
start
to
identify
those
and
working
with
Community
Partners
there,
maybe
I'm
a
little
early
at
this
question
because
we
are
still
kind
of
in
you
know,
crisis
mode
of
how
do
we
really
start
to
address
the
problem
as
it
is,
but
I'm
curious?
B
If
that's
something
that
we've
been
thinking
about,
especially
as
as
you're
looking
at
different
forms
of
of
collecting
data
and
how
that
might
inform
that
work
in
the
future.
G
Bouncer
Castle.
Thank
you
for
that
question.
It's
also
a
big
big
question.
I
think,
first,
of
course,
of
the
connect
Network
where
we
are
asking
questions
about
basic
safety,
net
needs
and
social
determinant
of
Health
needs.
The
housing
homelessness
question
we
ask
includes:
are
you
in
danger
of
losing
your
housing
in
30
days?
You
know,
are
you?
Are
you
sleep?
Where
are
you
sleeping?
Are
you
sleeping
at
a
friend
or
relative's
house?
G
So
we
have
data
from
connect
in
terms
of
what
kinds
of
crises
people
are
in
and
then,
in
terms
of
prevention,
we
have
mechanisms,
thanks
to
our
Urban
funding,
our
partnership
with
the
county,
to
offer
people
flexible
resources
and
The
Navigators
and
connect
flexible
resources
to
address
those
needs.
Of
course,
director
Ladd
provides
a
lot
of
funding.
For
you
know,
rapid
rehousing,
be
our
partner,
the
LifeLink
and
others
in
the
community,
and
so
that's
an
important
Avenue
for
stabilization
and
prevention
prevention.
G
You
know
us
mphs
will
go
all
the
way
back
to
you
know
a
child's
experience
and
they're
in
in
vitro
in
her
mother's
womb
and
making
sure
moms
who
are
pregnant
have
all
the
resources
they
need
to
be
starting
life
off
in
a
good
way.
So
it's
you
know
I!
Think
of
it,
as
as
we
get
systems
in
place
for
understanding
the
scope
of
need
the
kinds
of
needs
in
the
community.
G
We
can
more
nimbly
plug
people
into
the
resources
as
early
as
possible
to
avoid
adverse
childhood
experiences,
which,
of
course,
are
at
a
root
cause
for
a
lot
of
homelessness.
Homelessness
is,
of
course,
too
Canary
in
the
mind
indicator
for
a
lot
of
structural
problems
within
our
economy
and
our
social
structure.
You
know
everything
from
zoning
and
how
zoning
was
done
to
taxation,
gentrification,
lack
of
access
to
employees,
employment,
lack
of
access
to
resources,
so
it
is
a
huge
question,
we're
working
on
it
all
together
and
I.
G
Think,
what's
special
about
these
teams
about
Jason
and
his
team
about
Chief
Mercado
and
his
team
in
Miho,
and
all
that
they
do
is
yes,
these
are
Big
systemic
issues.
G
Yes,
we
need
better
places
and
resources
to
plug
people
into,
but
when
you
have
that
incredible,
trusting
relationship
between
a
park
ranger
or
a
case
manager
and
somebody
who's
homeless
or
unsheltered
out
there,
that's
really
the
beginning
of
a
rapport
that
can
and
does
lead
to
people
accessing
what
resources
we
do
have
and
really
transforming
a
lot
their
lives
that
are
incredible
stories
of
people
doing
that
because
of
the
good
work
of
these
two
teams.
B
Yeah,
thank
you
so
much
I
really
really.
Sorry.
We
have
a
child
situation
going
on
underneath
my
feet,
but
I
you
know,
I
really
appreciate
it
and
I
know
it
was
a
big
question
and
of
course
it's
that
you
know
that
public
health
read
that
just
comes
in.
B
It's
like,
let's
fix
everything
and
everything's
connected
and
but
I
do
really
appreciate
the
work,
that's
being
done
in
the
Innovation,
that's
being
done,
and
obviously
I
know
that
we'll
we'll
really
continue
to
have
a
lot
of
these
conversations
and
a
lot
of
different
Arenas.
So
so
thank
you
for
that.
You
had
a
follow-up.
I
F
Found
chair,
councilor,
verl
I,
don't
think
we
directly
share
data
and
information.
I
know
we
interact
with
with
one
another
on
on
an
occasion,
but
to
my
knowledge,
we're
not
sharing
information
directly.
C
I
Guess
I
I
mean
I
I
understand
that
I
guess
I
just
see
the
connection
of
folks
that
you
all
are
interacting
with
for
the
Rangers.
It's
probably
similar,
folks
that
are
also
interacting
with
the
aru
units
at
times.
I
So
there's
probably
a
connection
I
guess
I'm
just
wondering
if
there's
a
way
because
mijo
started
collecting
data,
demographics
and
I
guess
I'm
wondering
if
there's
a
way
that
that
helps
look
at
the
bigger
picture
like
what
you
all
find
with
the
encampments
on
the
Rangers
and
then
like
how
EMS
is
involved
with
that
and
then
how
EMS
is
also
feeding
into
the
mijo
data
collection,
because
I
know
mijo
started
a
new
system
right.
G
Madam
chair
councilman
veterall,
if
I
could
take
a
little
stab
at
that
it's
a
great
question.
I
think
it
should
be
noted,
of
course,
that
the
park
rangers
are
there
to
tell
people
not
to
be
there
right,
because
we're
enforcing
a
new
campaign
policy,
which
is
a
different
function
than
the
aru
has,
and
so
there's
sensitivity
around
data
sharing
one
of
the
barriers
frankly
to
achieving
what
we've
known
as
no,
what
is
known
as
a
quality
by
name
list
and
the
built
for
zero
World,
which
is
really
good
data.
G
Is
you
know
all
the
different
systems
that
are
used
to
collect
this
information,
but
as
a
community
we're
working
with
the
New
Mexico
coalition
to
end
homelessness
as
well,
and
their
role
is
to
be
the
data
lead
that
kind
of
guides.
G
You
know
privacy
issues
with
with
populations
as
well
as
data
sharing,
the
the
coordinated
Street,
Outreach
and
collection
of
data
in
a
sensitive
responsible
way
is
really
our
primary
focus
right
now
and
built
for
zero.
Since
we
have
made
progress
in
other
areas,
but
if
we
can
get
this
sort
of
house
in
order,
I
think
we'll
see
sort
of
an
exponential
leap,
but
you
know,
as
as
I'm
sure
Chief
Johnson
can
speak
to
to
the
HIPAA.
G
You
know
restrictions
with
sharing
some
of
that
information
that
mijo's
now
putting
in
and
the
whole
fire
department's
now
putting
into
the
new
system.
They
are
using.
The
health
and
information
exchange.
They're
part
of
that
and
connect
is
actually
partnering
with
the
health
information
exchange
to
to
see
how
we
can
connect
the
dots
really
in
all
of
these
different
systems,
including
hmis,
which
is
the
the
system
that
housing
providers
need
to
use
per
HUD.
G
So
it's
kind
of
a
Tower
of
Babel,
but
there
are
people
tackling
it
and
trying
to
work
it
out,
and
then
you
know
on
a
on
a
day-to-day
basis,
as
as
Jason
and
and
to
Johnson
mention
people
do
share
information.
You
know
between
PD,
between
fire
between
the
park
rangers
and
then
the
other
teams
that
go
out
around
how
to
find
clients
how
to
help
people
and
and
that
kind
of
thing.
I
B
You
all
right
I'm
going
to
move
us
right
along.
We
are
we're
taking
our
time
tonight,
so
our
next
presentation
again
dovetails
really
nicely
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
best
practice,
solutions
to
unsheltered
homelessness.
We
have
Dr
Kathleen
van
Voorhees,
director
of
community
strategy
at
project
Moxie
here
to
present
so
Kathleen
I
will
go
ahead
and
turn
it
over
to
you.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
being
here.
L
A
A
L
Wonderful
well
good
evening,
everybody,
chairwoman
counselors,
thank
you
so
much
for
having
me
I
am
Dr.
Van
Boris
I've
had
the
honor
of
getting
to
work
in
Santa
Fe
for
the
last
few
years,
specifically
looking
at
the
Continuum
so
from
homelessness
to
attainable
housing
I
get
to
do
this
nationally
and
actually
have
a
doctorate
looking
at
these
social
systems.
So
this
is
something
that
is
very
near
and
dear
to
my
heart.
L
L
The
reason
I
always
start
with
kind
of
level
setting
with
housing
is
because
you
have
two
problems.
We
have
a
housing
market
that
is
not
attainable.
We
have
seniors
who
are
aging
into
homelessness
pretty
rapidly
around
the
nation,
including
in
New
Mexico.
L
We
know
that
we
do
not
have
enough
attainable
housing
in
Santa
Fe,
and
we
also
know
that
by
attainable
housing,
what
is
necessary
so,
whether
that
be
permanent,
Supportive
Housing,
where
we
have
services
on
site
for
our
unhoused
all
the
way
through
just
lower
income,
housing
and
Workforce
housing,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
working
for
as
we
continue
to
see
housing
prices
increase.
This
all
impacts
a
city's
homeless
population,
it
impacts
who
is
unhoused
how
those
unhoused
show
up.
So
this
is
the
first
slide
next
slide.
L
Please
thank
you
so
much
so
homelessness
and
Santa
Fe.
You
guys
just
talked
a
lot
about
data.
The
most
accurate
data
and
I
know
you
just
did
a
point
in
time
count
but
really
was
August
of
2022..
L
These
are
your
data
points
you
had
363
identified
individuals,
49
families
and
18
homeless,
youth.
The
one
thing
I
can
tell
you
about
data
is
that
it
is
always
an
undercount.
The
other
thing
I
can
tell
you
about
data.
Is
that
there's
snapshots
in
time
so
for
point
in
time
counts.
We
tend
to
not
see
a
lot
of
our
unhoused
who
are
hidden
homeless,
right,
sleeping
in
cars,
doubling
up
sleeping
in
hotels,
those
who
are
struggling
or
right
on
that
line
of
homelessness
and
who
are
facing
housing
and
security.
L
We
tend
to
get
a
lot
more
of
that
information
and
that
data
from
McKinney
binto
the
Department
of
Education,
because
they
do
tend
to
track,
and
you
actually
have
a
phenomenal
system
here
in
Santa
Fe,
that
is
tracking
the
students
who
are
unhoused
or
are
struggling
with
housing
security.
There
are
multiple
other
ways
to
get
data
and
you
can
go
ahead
and
go
to
the
next
slide.
Thank
you.
L
The
point
in
time
count
again
it's
a
snapshot.
It's
not
perfect
that
McKinney
vinto,
your
extra
Department
of
Education
numbers
built
for
xero
I'm,
a
nationally
trained
built
for
zero
implementer
built
for
zero,
can
be
wonderful.
Built
for
zero
is
exactly
what
you
guys
were
just
talking
about
where
we
know
we
have
different
providers
working
across
different
systems
all
with
their
own
amazing
section
of
data,
and
we
want
to
start
pulling
that
data
together.
L
We
use
hmis
systems
to
do
that.
There
are
specific
systems
for
domestic
violence
so
that
we
can
protect
as
well
as
medical,
so
that
we
can
protect
information,
but
the
the
core
of
built
for
xero
and
something
that
I
know
you've
been
discussing
and
and
Kara
has
been
implementing
here
in
Santa
Fe
is
really
to
try
and
identify
who
are
the
individuals
who
are
housing,
insecure
or
unhoused.
L
So
we
can
pull
better
data
sets,
there's
a
lot
of
struggle,
streamlining
a
lot
of
that
data
together,
but
when
you
do
get
it
there
in
the
places
that
can
concretely
put
in
built
for
zero,
it
can
work
really
really
well
in
helping
us
understand
a
lot
of
the
the
demographic
information,
a
lot
of
the
barrier
information,
a
lot
of
the
past
trauma
and
history,
information
and
help
communities
really
know
how
they
need
to
move
forward
to
truly
address
homelessness.
L
Next
slide,
please
so
what's
also
really
important
when
we
start
to
talk
about
okay,
what
are
some
of
the
best
practices
for
for
those
who
are
unsheltered
and
again,
understanding
who
is
unsheltered
needs
to
be
broken
down.
So
there's
three
main
types:
when
we
look
at
those
who
are
unhoused,
we
look
at
those
who
are
situationally
unhoused.
We
saw
this
a
lot
during
covet.
L
Okay,
so
individuals
and
families
who
lost
a
job,
their
hours
were
cut,
who
became
ill,
who
ended
up
with
a
lot
of
hospital
bills
or
medical
debt
individuals
who
have
divorce
domestic
violence,
something
that
is
a
situation
that
causes
them
to
become
unhoused
in
these
situations.
The
intervention
is
very
light
touch.
Rapid,
rehousing
works
really
well
for
these
individuals
that
are
reaching
into
situational
homelessness.
Episodic
homelessness
he's
a
little
bit
higher
of
a
touch.
Episodic
means
we
are
going
in
and
out
of
homelessness,
a
lot
of
times.
L
We
see
individuals
with
disabilities
who
are
unable
to
access
the
services
they
need
to
maintain
in-house
housing
stability,
kind
of
falling
in
and
out
of
homelessness.
That
tends
to
be
more
voucher,
based
responsing
responses,
some
permanent,
supportive
depending
on
on
the
disabilities
and
needs,
but
again
medium
touch,
and
then
we
have
chronic
homelessness.
Chronic
homelessness
again
is
someone
who
has
been
unhoused.
L
Usually
we
talk
to
people
who
are
seven
years
and
more
and
we
classify
that
as
chronically
homeless,
and
these
are
individuals
who
need
permanent,
Supportive,
Housing,
permanent
Supportive
Housing
I'll
talk
about
a
little
bit
but
again
provides
the
services
in
the
building
in
which
their
house
so
we're
not
just
taking
somebody
and
thinking
that,
after
this
long
extended
period
of
time
being
unhoused
they'll
be
able
to
maintain
being
inside
we're
actually
supporting
them
through
that
process.
Continually
next
slide
please.
L
So
this
is
my
favorite
slide
in
the
world
and
you
actually
brought
this
up
councilwoman.
This
is
your
full
Continuum.
Okay,
so
Community
needs
to
have
a
full
Continuum
to
the
point
of
prevention
and
project.
Moxie
has
been
honored
to
work
with
the
White
House
best
practice
over
the
last
three
years.
Developing
and
implementing
the
prevention
and
diversion
systems
that
came
along
with
erap
prevention
is
absolutely
key.
L
So,
even
if
you
have
an
unhoused
problem,
even
if
we
know
we
need
more
solutions
down
the
Continuum,
if
we
don't
prevent
those
who
are
currently
housed
from
becoming
unhoused,
we
cannot
build
our
way
out
of
this
fast
enough.
We
cannot
provide
and
create
enough
resource,
so
prevention
is
absolutely
key.
L
The
the
current
Administration
in
the
white
house,
as
well
as
the
United
States
interagency
Council,
has
really
said
this.
Prevention
and
diversion
has
to
go
hand
in
hand
with
anything
else
that
you
do
statistic
course.
You
know
we
built
over
950
000
homes
that
were
attainable
and
below
in
that
time
that
we
did
that
in
the
United
States
we
had
more
than
155
000
people
become
unhoused,
so
we
have
to
focus
on
prevention.
If
you
can't
prevent
you
divert
that
some
of
your
rapid
re-housing
right,
we
know
that
you're
you're
gonna
fall
out.
L
We're
gonna
rapidly
get
you
back
in
Bridge.
Housing
is
also
something
and
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
arpa
funds
used
for
to
ensure
that
we
can
streamline
people's
ability
to
never
hit
the
rest
of
this
Continuum
emergency
shelter
again.
This
can
be
congregate
where
you're
sleeping
in
next
to
other
people.
L
It
can
be
non-congregate,
which
is
proving
really
to
be
the
best
practice,
and
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
that
street
Outreach
coordinated
assessment,
safe
parking
and
those
safe
outdoor
spaces,
which
are
really
going
to
be
your
non-congregate
solution
and
that
we're
seeing
pop
up
around
the
nation,
the
rest
of
it
is
really
important
right:
rapid
rehousing,
permanent
Supportive,
Housing
transitional
housing,
Hotel
conversion,
which
you
have
one
of
here
in
Santa
Fe.
Those
are
so
wonderful
and
they
take
time
right.
L
We
have
to
be
able
to
build
the
permanent
Supportive
Housing
housing
is
the
solution
to
ending
homelessness
period
Dot,
and
it
takes
time
the
funding
takes
time.
The
conversions
take
time.
So
as
we're
doing
those
we
have
to
look
at.
What
are
we
going
to
do
to
prevent?
What
are
we
going
to
do
as
a
short-term
solution,
and
what
do
we
do
in
the
long
term
to
ensure
that
these
short
terms
is
moving
into
what
is
permanent
housing
next
slide?
Please.
L
So
again,
the
top
best
practices,
prevention,
I,
can't
stress
that
enough
diversion
non-congregate
shelter
is,
and
it
was
long
before
coven
becoming
the
key
to
success
for
individuals
who
are
outside
there's
lots
of
reasons
for
that,
including
trauma-informed
care
understanding
that
a
lot
of
individuals
who
are
outside
are
in
the
midst
of
a
trauma
response
being
on
house
in
and
of
itself,
is
very
traumatic.
You
feel
unsafe
in
your
surroundings,
I'm
safe!
Where
you
are
you
don't
know
where
you
can
sleep
safely,
where
you
can
eat
safely?
L
You
know,
I
had
the
honor
of
walking
around
Santa
Fe
yesterday
and
ran
into
somebody
who
was
talking
about
fear
of
going
into
congregate,
shelter
and
the
need
for
these
types
of
solutions
because
of
their
fear
for
safety
and
because
of
their
background,
those
are
all
very
important
things
again:
housing,
you're,
looking
at
and
I
know,
the
city
continues
to
look
at.
L
How
do
we
build
enough
attainable
and
that's
Workforce
down
right,
attainable
all
the
way
to
permanent
Supportive
Housing,
really
understanding
what
types
of
vouchers
you
have
in
New
Mexico
and
what
they
can
be
used
for
and
ensuring
that
we're
streamlining
those
resources
is
also
important
next
slide.
Please.
L
So
safe
outdoor
spaces,
this
were
in
the
last
couple
of
presentations.
You
know
we're
talking
about.
Where
do
we
send
people
right
now?
We
know
that
hotel,
conversions,
we've
got,
you
know,
purchasing
land
and
building
different
types
of
affordable
and
attainable
housing
takes
time.
We
absolutely
have
to
do
that
and
while
we're
doing
that,
how
do
we
focus
on
best
practice?
Safe
outdoor
spaces
have
become
a
best
practice
because
you
get
your
own.
Oh
you
get
your
own
space.
You
get
to
bring
your
belongings
in
most
are
very,
very
low
barrier.
L
So,
for
a
lot
of
times
we
can
have
insurance
that
covers
our
outdoor
spaces
that
doesn't
do
not
cover
our
indoor
spaces.
Individuals
can
come
in,
they
can
lock
their
doors,
they
usually
get
to
have
pets.
You
can
be
in
them
as
a
couple.
These
are
all
barriers
for
going
into
congregate,
shelter,
again,
fear
of
being
assaulted,
fear
of
going
in
and
sleeping
near
strangers
having
to
separate.
If
you
and
your
husband,
you
and
your
wife,
you
and
your
partner
were
both
just
displaced.
Being
able
to
be
together
is
very,
very
important.
L
So
again,
the
the
low
barrier
practicality
of
these
outdoor
spaces
makes
them
the
most
accessible
resource
that
we
see
in
our
nation
right
now
they
do.
The
best
practice
has
24-hour
Staffing.
They
have
people
on
site
24
hours
that
can
not
only
help
those
who
might
need
help
throughout
the
night
and
throughout
the
day,
but
who
can
also
keep
those
individuals
safe?
Most
of
our
unhoused
want
that
Safe
Community,
just
as
we
hear
from
our
house
community,
so
really
making
sure
we're
creating
a
safe
staffed
location.
L
It
is
very
collaborative
these
sites
work
with
Outreach
workers,
work
with
the
resources
on
site
within
the
community
to
bring
things
to
these
individuals
who
are
staying
at
these
sites
that
works
so
well,
because
when
you
have
camping
Vans,
when
people
don't
have
a
place
to
go
and
they're
moving
from
this
place
to
this
place,
we
tend
to
lose
touch
with
them.
So
for
outreach
workers
and
providers.
It
is
very
hard
for
us
to
consistently
help.
L
It
is
hard
to
gain
trust
through
trauma-informed
care
and
it's
hard
to
move
people
through
that
Continuum
and
get
them
to
the
place
where
they
can
permanently
find
stability,
again,
meals,
laundry
bathrooms
trash,
it's
a
managed
Community.
This
is
an
example
of
a
pallet
site,
but
they
do
they
look
different,
but
they're
all
uniform
next
slide.
Please
and
then
stability.
Stability
is
really
the
key
to
success.
L
So
not
only
having
that
managed
community
that
place
where
you
you
have
your
teams,
where
they
can
send
individuals
where
they
can
lock
their
doors
and
actually
feel
safe
at
night,
safe
to
lock
their
doors
and
go
and
go
to
work
safe
to
lock
their
doors
and
go
and
get
Services,
but
not
having
to
move
day
to
day
is
so
important.
L
The
CDC
talked
about
the
detriments
of
individuals
having
to
move
all
the
time.
The
trauma
detriments,
the
health
detriments
having
these
safe
spaces
gives
a
solid
and
healthy
Community
both
to
cities
who
are
trying
to
keep
Healthy
Communities
for
all,
as
well
as
for
those
who
have
no
other
alternative
or
place
to
go
again.
It's
a
stability
of
having
your
own
home.
Even
though
it's
a
temporary
solution,
as
we
continue
to
build
more
possibilities
to
further
our
long-term
housing
stability,
I
think
that
might
be
the
last
slide
nope.
This
is
a
very
important
slide.
L
One
of
the
most
common
questions
I
get
around
the
nation
and
I
actually
got
this
on
a
DC
call.
The
other
day
was
if
you
won.
If
you
build
it,
they
will
come
and
two.
What
does
it
do?
It
increases
crime.
It's
actually
not
true.
We've
seen
time
and
time
again
now
that
we
see
a
decrease
in
crime
around
these
areas,
it's
staffed,
24
7,
some
have
security
externally,
especially
ones
that
are
set
up
to
assist
DV
victims.
L
We
see
such
a
positive
impact
universally
on
our
housing
house,
communities
where
we
put
these
managed
encampments
and
we
work
very
collaboratively
when
we
set
them
up
with
the
fire
department,
with
the
police
departments,
with
the
service
providers
again
really
trying
to
streamline
everything
everyone's
doing
in
trying
to
do
a
positive
stability
kind
of
Stepping
Stone
program,
that's
good
for
both
the
house
and
on
house
alike.
L
And
then
the
Good
Neighbor
agreement,
so
good
neighbor
agreement.
Wherever
we
put
up
these
managed
encampments,
we
always
make
sure
that
whoever
the
service
provider
on
site
is
or
if
it's
a
congregation,
that's
providing
the
sites
which
a
lot
of
times
it
is
that
we
have
Community
meetings.
We
have
conversations
with
our
house,
community
members
and
our
own
house
community
members
alike,
and
we
bring
everyone
together.
We
talk
about
concerns.
We
mitigate
concerns.
We
create
an
agreement,
you're
going
to
be
a
good
neighbor
in
these
ways
and
I'm
going
to
be
a
good
neighbor.
L
In
these
ways
we
meet
monthly.
We
continue
to
meet
with
the
communities,
there's
a
place
for
them
to
call.
If
there's
concerns,
we
really
try
and
ensure
that
wherever
one
of
these
managed
communities
is
put
into
place,
that
a
lot
of
those
concerns
about
trash
or
needles
or
fear
of
and
as
a
single
mom
I
get
this
my
kid
being
able
to
walk
to
school
on
their
own,
that
we
can
mitigate
those
concerns
and
really
help
create
a
safe
and
stable
place
for
everyone
to
go.
B
Thank
you
so
much
Dr
Van
before
he's
a
really
appreciate.
This
was
very
robust.
I
will
just
note
for
the
committee
that
our
time
is
currently
6
15
and
we
still
got
a
lot
ahead
of
us.
So
definitely
don't
want
to
stand
me
this
conversation,
but
myself
included.
Let's
do
our
best
to
to
be
expedient
with
our
questions.
Dr
Michael,
our
doctor,
counselor
Michael
Garcia.
Maybe
you
are
working
towards
being
a
doctor.
I,
don't
know.
D
Not
yet,
who
knows?
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
Kathleen
for
the
update,
really
appreciate
it,
but
my
question
more
so
is
for
director
Ochoa
I
think
she
might
still
be
on.
D
There
she
is,
thank
you,
director,
quick
question
for
you
just
because
I
know
that
this,
in
particular
the
safe
outer
spaces,
is
a
conversation
that
we've
been
kind
of
moving
on
for
for
quite
some
time
now
and
I
I
just
didn't
know
if,
where
we
were
heading
as
a
city
in
the
direction
or
do
you
know
if,
in
fiscal
year,
24
we'll
be
in
in
the
budget
request,
putting
forth
any
resources
for
a
safe
outdoor,
Space,
Camp.
G
Counselor
Madam
chair
counselor
Garcia.
Thank
you
for
the
question
we
do
have.
Actually
this
body
had
designated,
you
know
a
million
dollars
from
in
arpa
funding
for
solutions
to
unsheltered
homelessness.
If
this
body
decides
that
safe
outdoor
space
is
a
direction
they'd
like
to
see
us
go
as
a
staff,
we're
ready
to
you
know,
get
some
pallet
shelters,
get
some
Services
get
an
RFP
for
services
out
and
see
what
Partners
might
come
on
board.
G
You
know,
but
it
has
to
be
something
that
Council
the
community
is
comfortable
with
and
and
we're
taking
our
Direction
a
lot
from
the
good
work.
That's
as
I
mentioned,
coming
out
of
the
Santa
Fe
Housing
Initiative.
As
you
all
know,
we
had
a
couple
of
town
halls
that
touched
on
the
subject.
G
You
know
really
trying
to
build.
I
think
the
project
Moxie
and
that
team
with
which
has
a
lot
of
experience,
doing
safe
outdoor
spaces
in
Colorado,
has
been
trying
to
answer
questions.
Community
questions
built,
build
community
support
for
this.
You
know
I'll
I'll,
just
say
personally,
I
think
it's
something
that
it
would
be
great
to
be
able
to
try
in
Santa
Fe.
That's
my
personal
opinion,
but
I
understand
and
recognize
that
there
are
concerns
that
need
to
be
addressed
as
well.
G
So
we
would
probably
look
at
a
budget
a
request,
perhaps
even
potentially
the
this
fiscal
year
for
the
purchase
of
pallets
that
we
would.
Then
you
know
couple
with
that:
arpa
funding,
that's
the
strategy,
but
again
waiting
to
see
what
the
direction
of
of
the
council
and
and
the
public
is
on
this.
D
Okay,
thank
you
so
much
appreciate
the
clarification
and
I
do
remember
the
million
dollars,
but
I
know
that
you
know
that
that's
a
one-time
source
of
resources
and
if
we
were
to
look
into
developing
some
something
such
as
a
safe
outdoor
camp
I,
would
think
that
it
would
be
more
long-term
and
we
would
want
to
ensure
that
there
is
that
sustainable
source
of
resources.
So
thank
you,
I
think.
Your
clarification
definitely
helped
to
provide
some
context
around
a
future
that
we
may.
G
Be
thanks,
Madam,
chair
and
I'm,
sorry
to
add,
but
I
I
would
say
that,
yes,
the
art
of
funding
is
one
time
and
if
they
work,
if,
if
the
safe
outdoor
space
is
a
good
thing,
we
would
probably
seek
to
continue
it.
But
the
nice
thing
about
the
arpa
funding
is
it
allows
us
to
really
pilot
this
and
see,
and
you
know
proof
of
concept:
is
it
a
safer
environment
around
the
safe
Outburst
space
for
the
neighborhood?
Does
it
work?
B
Thank
you
so
much
counselor
councilman
veteriel.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
Dr
Van
Borges.
Is
that
how
you
say
your
lesson
for
the
information
I
might
have
missed
this
because
I
took
a
bio
break,
but
you
said
you
weren't
for
project
Moxie
and
are
you
can
you
did
you
say
or
describe
anything
about
project
Moxie
did
I
miss
that
so.
L
Project
Moxie
is
we
do
everything
we
work
around
the
nation
we
when
we
go
in
and
look
at
continuums,
so
we
work
looking
at
everything
from
Homeless
Solutions
all
the
way,
through
the
assistance
and
building
attainable
housing.
L
No
I'm
actually
on
contract
with
one
of
your
foundations
got
it.
Thank.
I
You
sorry
glad
you're
part
of
the
team.
I
was
just
curious,
the
the
relationship
there
and
then
I
was
just
just
trying
to
figure
out
like
next
steps,
because
I
feel
like
based
on
your
information
based
on
the
community
Town
Halls
we've
been
having
and
and
just
researching
this.
You
know
safe
outdoor
space,
I
guess
this
is
a
question
for
the
for
director
Ochoa
like
we.
I
We
know
what
we,
what
there's,
what
we
need,
or
at
least
what
we
need
to
try,
and
so
what
I'm
wondering
is
like
what
are
the
next
steps
here,
because
we
have
funding
through
arpa?
I
G
Madam,
chair
councilman
Villarreal,
thank
you
for
the
question.
I
think
that
you
know
in
Practical
terms
we
would
release
a
competitive
bid.
You
know
ask
request
for
proposals
to
see
which
entities
would
be
willing
to
host
a
site
and
provide
wraparound
Services,
but
you
know
because
it's
a
new
project,
because
it's
a
sensitive
project
I
think
it
would
be
beneficial
really
if
we,
the
staff,
received
direction
from
the
governing
body
on
it
and
that
it's
something
you
wanted
us
to
explore.
G
I'll
just
say
that,
because
I
think
you
know,
we've
been
looking
at
it
working
on
it
for
a
long
time
and
to
put
something
like
this
together,
it
takes
a
lot.
So
if
it's
something
that
you
know
your
constituents
and
yourselves
think
is
a
good
idea.
We'd
be
happy
to
explore
it.
We
have
some
Community
Partners
that
have
expressed
interest
through
the
work
of
project
Moxie,
which
is
like
funded
through
angorum
foundation,
and
the
group
of
funders
that
make
up
the
Santa
Fe
Housing
Initiative
that
are
not
government
entities.
G
So
we're
really
looking
to
you
I
think
to
give
us
some
direction
on
it
on
it,
so
that
it
can
proceed
with
as
much
consensus
as
possible.
I
Thank
you
for
that,
and
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
pieces
here.
Dr
has
talked
about
it.
You
know
low
barrier
24
hour,
Staffing
bathrooms
safety
measures,
all
of
those
fitted
together
like
fit
together
and
how
we
actually
like
make
that
upper
or
operationalize.
It
is
another
story,
so
it
takes
a
lot
of
time,
so
I'm
interested
in
kind
of
next
steps,
as
probably
some
of
my
colleagues
are
and
yeah.
I
G
Mobile
I'm
sure
councilwoman
Vienna
Villarreal,
our
mobile
hygiene
unit
that
was
purchased
with
cares.
Funding
is
on
the
Midtown
campus
ready
to
roll
when
we
get
a
provider
that
can
help
us
operate
it
in
the
short
term,
happy
to
say
that
we're
looking
to
have
it
assist
our
our
shelters
on
code
blue
days
and
nights
where
they're
opening
up
additional
space
for
folks
to
stay
and
keep
out
of
the
cold
and
so
it'll
get
it'll
be
put
into
use.
Initially,
we
had
released
an
RFP
didn't
receive.
G
Any
responses
had
thought
about
the
park
rangers
operating
that
unit.
That
may
be
appropriate
at
some
point,
but
in
the
short
term,
we're
looking
to
have
it
supplement.
G
G
B
B
Thank
you,
I,
just
one
thing
I
would
want
to
say
is
I
agree
that
I
think
that
this
is
something
that
we
really
do
need
to
take
steps
in
really
analyzing
and
exploring
I
I
won't
ask
a
question
now
in
the
interest
of
time,
but
I.
Think
as
we
do,
you
know
Dr
Van
vorhis.
You
mentioned
that
I'm
I
think
I'm
butchering
your
name
and
I
apologize.
B
You
had
mentioned
that
that
crime
had
gone
down
and
and
I
think
what's
really
important.
That
we
talk
about
is
that
that
was
not
an
accident
and
I.
Think
that
as
we
explore
this,
it's
really
ahead
of
time.
We
we
learned
a
lot
from
Harrison,
Road
and
Pete's.
You
know,
I,
think
that
we
really
would
have
to
for
the
community,
be
talking
about
the
strategies
that
would
be
put
in
place
to
to
I,
know
I'm
talking
too
much
to
really
address
that
piece.
So
I
was
glad
to
see.
B
You
know
that
good
neighbor
agreement
and
looks
like
there's
a
lot
of
communication
with
the
surrounding
neighborhood,
and
that
is
something
that
I
would
really
want
to
make
sure
that
as
we're
exploring
this,
that,
that
piece
is
not
a.
We
will
address
the
strategies
later
that
that
is
part
of
the
plan.
So
so
thank
you
for
for
starting
to
lay
that
out
and
thank
you
so
much
for
being
here
for
your
work
and
and
your
presentation
really
really
appreciate
it
and
the
work
that
you're
doing.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chairman.
Thank
you.
So
we
are
going
to
go
ahead
and
move
on
to
our
consent
agenda.
The
first
is
consideration
of
no
my
turn
of
Bill
number
2023-9.
It's
an
ordinance
sponsored
by
mayor
Weber,
councilor
Lindell
me
and
Council
Romero
worth
it's
a
bill
approving
a
lease
agreement
between
the
city
of
Santa,
Fe
and
specifica
LLC
for
the
lease
of
city-owned
building
and
improvements
located
at
500,
Market
Street
within
the
rail
yard,
within
the
city
and
county
of
Santa
Fe
New
Mexico,
to
expand
its
biotechnological
company.
B
We
do
not
have
Andrea
Salazar,
because
I
do
not
believe
she
is
with
us.
Still
so
it
looks
like
we
have
Pat
figali
here
and
councilwoman
vitarel.
You
pulled
this
so
the
floor
is.
I
Yours,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
just
Wanted
for
Public's
sake
for
folks
to
know
what
this.
What
this
is
about.
This
lease
agreement
is
about.
If
staff
could
give
us
a
brief
introduction
or
just
an
intro,
about
the
lease
agreement
with
specifica
and
some
background
on
the
company
and
why
they
feel
this
lease
partnership
is
important.
M
Madam,
chair,
Council,
Bill
good
evening
and
I
feel
like
it's
old
school
and
new
school
at
the
same
time,
but
this
virtual
meeting
again
good
evening.
Everybody
I,
would
like
to
have
Mr
Lee's
talk
about
the
lease
that
we're
looking
at
and
then
I
can
publicly
talk
about
who
they
are
and
why
we
see
it
as
a
benefit
for
the
city.
So
if
I
could
turn
it
over
to
Mr
Lee's,
just
to
give
you
an
overview
of
Elise.
N
Yes,
thank
you,
director,
Brown
Madam,
chair
committee
members.
The
lease
that's
proposed
here
with
specifica
is,
what's
called
a
a
net
lease.
We
had
the
condo,
the
area
of
Praise
that
they
would
like
to
lease
and
it
appraised
at
19
per
square
foot
per
year
and
that's
what's
called
a
net
lease,
so
the
city
collects
that
that
rental
rate
and
the
tenant
specifically
in
this
case,
pays
most
all
of
the
expenses,
the
the
utilities,
the
janitorial
and
those
types
of
expenses.
The
initial
term
is
five
years.
N
There
are
options
for
three
additional
five-year
terms
and
it's
using
the
space
that
is
currently
occupied.
You
know
by
housing
and
economic
development.
Let's
see
here.
What
else
is
important
to
know
here?
Well,
I'll
turn
that
over
to
director
Brown
and
talk
a
little
bit
about
Pacifica,
okay,.
M
M
Think
two
years
now
they
were
in
a
small
space
and
they're
actually
in
the
adjoining
building
to
us
on
Market
station
they're,
an
antibody
engineering
company,
we're
a
biotech
so
think
about
coronaviruses
and
how
bioscience
companies
are
trying
to
deliver
vaccines
to
different
coronaviruses
and
that's
the
sort
of
stuff
that
they
do
and
because
of
the
coronavirus
and
all
types
of
of
viruses
that
are
happening
around
the
world.
Their
business
has
grown
incredibly
large
and
they're
in
a
growth
mode
and
they're
looking
to
expand
their
headquarters
right
now.
They
have.
M
They
have
about
20
employees
on
the
one
space
that
they
have
now
and
they'd
like
to
expand
into
our
Market
condominium
over
at
the
railyard
market
station,
so
they
would
increase
their
their
footprint
of
employees
to
about
50,
and
some
of
the
benefits
that
come
with
this
is
that
it
would
bring
more
Vitality
to
the
rail
yard,
because
more
people
be
there
it'll,
make
it
more
walkable.
M
Space
and
they'll
be
inviting
people
from
all
over
the
country
in
the
world
to
the
City
of
Santa
Fe,
for
the
work
that
they
do
and
then
they'll
be
the
increased
GRT
that
comes
to
the
city.
And
then
we
see
this
expansion
as
a
kind
of
a
a
marker
for
the
bioscience
companies
that
are
here
right
now.
We
actually
have
four
of
them
at
the
incubator:
a
one
cell,
Foods,
Mercury,
bio,
bright,
Path,
Labs
and
acoustic
biosystems.
M
They
can
stay
and
get
jobs
and
and
bring
jobs
here
and
and
increase
us
our
revenue
and
diversify
our
economy
and
the
bioscience
cluster
is
one
of
the
Clusters
that
we
are
looking
at
as
an
economic
development
group,
because
we're
trying
to
again
diversify
the
economy
and
not
just
depend
upon
tourism
and
the
government
in
case
we
have
Ebbs
and
flows
of
of
our
economy
and
look
for
ways
to
build
more
jobs.
So
we
see
this
as
a
really
great
way
to
bring
some.
You
know
Economic
Development,
to
the
city
of
Santa
Fe.
M
They
have
other
options,
they
have
an
opportunity
to
move
to
Boston
and
we
don't
really
want
that
to
happen
and
we
want
to
have
them
consider.
This
is
foreign
that
we'd
have
the
four
station
we'd
move
into
the
temporary
places
on
Marcy,
Street
and
also
on,
and
have
them
sort
of
move
in
and
start
that
build.
So
that's
kind
of
a
bigger
picture,
view
of
who
specifically
is
and
why
we
believe
it's
a
good
idea
to
to
happen
state
so,
hopefully
that
that's
a
helpful
overview
for
you.
I
I
think
you
said
where,
where
they're
going
to
be
leasing,
the
space
is
where
your
background
there
is,
it
says,
Market
station
offices,
so
city
offices
will
be
moved
to
various
locations.
I
think
one
location
that
will
be
beneficial
for
the
community
is
parking.
The
parking
division
will
be
moving
to
the.
L
I
I
M
I
M
Yeah
Madam,
chair,
Council
burial,
keep
in
mind
that
they
have
currently
been
there
for
three
years
and
they're.
A
very
secure
environment,
it'll
be
very
difficult
for
you
to
get
inside
of
their
their
systems
and
once
you're
in
the
building,
they
actually
have
more
secure
rooms
inside
of
their
of
their
offices
and
I
can't
speak
specifically
to
their
IP.
But
the
antibody
work
that
they're
doing
is
not,
to
my
knowledge,
anything
that
would
leak
out
and
you
know,
harm
anyone.
M
It's
sort
of
like
taking
vaccines
and
getting
the
vaccines
to
they
call
it
mmrna.
So
they
it's
attached
to
this
nmrna
and
it
gets
into
the
system
so
but
they're
in
a
very
safe,
secure
space,
and
they
have
a
second
secure
space
where
they
do.
The
testing
of
the
this
antibody
work
that
they
do
so
so
they
they
see
that
as
protocols
and
keep
in
mind
that
the
the
biotech
and
Pharma
industry
is
highly
regulated.
M
So
so
they
have
to
adhere
to
a
lot
more
compliance
than
some
of
the
other
companies
that
we
have
here
that
provide
food
or
et
cetera,
so
I
think
that
that's
kind
of
where
we
see
them
as
a
a
worthy.
You
know
company
that's
complying
to
what
the
rules
and
laws
are
great.
I
H
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
councilwoman
view
area.
I
think
we're
on
the
same
wavelength
today.
I
did
have
that
same
question
around
safety,
given
there's
a
high
traffic
area
and
lots
of
folks
in
and
out
of
the
rail
yard,
and
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
there
are
no
safety
issues,
given
that
they
are
developing
vaccines.
Etc.
The
one
question
I
have
remaining
is:
do
we
pay
rent
currently
for
Market
Street,
and
if
we
do,
what
is
what
do
we
pay
per
square
foot.
M
A
mentor
Council
Garcia
good
evening.
We
don't
pay
rent
for
Market
Street
right
now,
because
it's
our
it's
our
condominium,
but
in
the
move,
the
specific
of
rent
would
actually
pay
for
wherever
we're
moving
to
I.
Think
it's
a
there's
like
a
26
000
difference
between
what
we'd
have
to
pay
in
rental
for
our
lease
versus
what
they're
going
to
pay
us
on
an
annual
basis.
D
Okay,
and
the
only
reason
I
ask
is,
you
know,
is
18
market
rate
given
I
think
the
space
we're
moving
into
on
Marcy
Street
is
27,
and
so
just
just
wondering
Market
rates
you
know
are
we
is
this
a
market
rate
or
are
we
higher
than
market
rate.
M
Council
Chris
Council,
chair,
casket,
Council
Garcia,
that's
a
good
question.
I
think
that
when
we
think
about
the
18
versus
what
the
27,
maybe
it
may
be
looking
at
Apple's
oranges,
because
the
18
might
be
a
net
net
versus
the
27,
the
lease
and
Mr
Elise
can
talk
about.
It
I
think
it's
a
fully
inclusive,
a
lease
that
that
made
there
so
I'll
ask
Mr
Lisa
if
he
can
explain
that
further.
N
All
right,
thank
you.
Madam
chair,
councilor
Garcia,
yes,
the
the
net
lease
19
a
square
foot
is
what
specifica
is
paying
one
of
the
locations
above
Monica
Roy
ball
that
we're
looking
at
going
is
28
dollars
a
square
foot,
and
that
is
a
full
service
lease.
So
the
difference
there
as
I
explained
in
the
specific
at
least
they
pay
all
their
expenses
utilities
Etc
and
in
the
space
that
we
we
may
be
going
to
at
28
a
square
foot
per
year.
N
That's
all
inclusive,
so
the
lessor
pays
for
the
the
util,
all
the
utilities,
the
janitorial,
the
interior
maintenance,
exterior
maintenance
as
well,
and
so
they
are
different
types
of
leases
and
yes,
the
28
dollars.
A
square
foot
is
really
market
rate.
I.
Think
that
you
know,
if
you
take
the
19
a
square
foot
the
difference.
N
So
it's
about
nine
dollars
a
square
foot
for
the
operating
cost,
which
is
in
line
with
with
operating
costs
in
these
commercial
buildings
and
I,
will
just
add
one
about
the
cost
of
the
the
condominium
we
do
not
pay.
Rent
city
owns
that,
but
we
do
pay
common
area,
maintenance,
expenses
and
the
bill.
We
just
received
from
the
new
owners
that
is
eighty
thousand
dollars,
so
that's
the
common
area
expense
that
the
city
will
need
to
pay.
D
O
Yes,
ma'am
councilor
Michael
Garcia,
yes,
councilor
Chavez,
yes,
Council,
servia,
Rio,
yes,
chair
cassette,
yes,
motion,
passes
wonderful.
H
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
Rich
and
Terry.
Moving
on,
we
are
moving
on
to
consent
item
C.
This
is
consideration
of
a
resolution
sponsored
by
Council
Romero
worth
councilwoman
veteriel,
councilor,
Chavez,
Council,
Rivera,
councilor,
Cassat,
counselor,
Michael,
Garcia
and
mayor
Weber.
It
is
a
resolution
directing
the
city
manager
to
take
next
steps.
Based
on
some
of
the
recommendations
of
the
chart
report.
We
should
have
City
attorney
mcsherry
here,
as
well
as
Council
Romero
worth
is
here
as
one
of
the
sponsors,
and
we
have
a
number
of
the
sponsors
here.
B
D
We're
happy
to
kick
this
off
well,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and,
and
just
want
to
first
thank
the
court
counselors
that
began
to
work
on
this
resolution.
I
know
that
you
know
the
discussions
around
the
soldiers.
Monument
has
been
long.
Lingering
it's
been.
H
D
Three,
but
two
years
now,
three
years
2020
since
the
soldiers
Monument
was
destroyed
and
I'm
again
just
glad
we're
kind
of
here
at
this
space
in
a
conversation
where
we're
choosing
a
pen
how
to
move
forward,
I
guess
the
first
question
I
have
just
would
would
kind
of
determine
the
next
questions,
because
it
revolves
around
Authority
and
just
recently,
I
mean
I.
D
Think
last
night
I
received
an
email
from
a
constituent
that
outlined
several
scientific
and
scholarly
studies
that
were
conducted
on
not
only
the
plaza
but
the
soldiers,
monument
and
every
one
of
those
scientific
studies
or
research.
D
Reports
clearly
demonstrated
that
the
stated
in
Mexico
has
authority
over
the
soldiers,
monument
and
we've
been
told
different
by
City
staff
by
the
city
attorney's
office
that
the
city
owns
it.
So
can
we
determine
that
we
clearly
own
it,
given
that
there
is
now
evidence
that
the
state
owns
the
monument.
E
Councilor
acid,
I'm,
sorry
Garcia,
I'm,
guessing
that
questions
for
me
sure
I've
been
working
my
way
through
these.
These
articles,
the
first
one
that
I
read,
doesn't
cite
a
source
for
the
conclusion
of
the
ownership.
E
I
had
reached
out
multiple
times
to
Department
of
cultural
Affairs
and
discussed
verbally
as
well,
but
in
writing,
and
verbally
with
the
general
counsel,
from
Department
of
cultural
Affairs
about
ownership,
the
only
ownership
documents
we
have
show
City
ownership.
Certainly,
if
there's
something
documenting
a
transfer
after
that,
we
should
look
at
it.
I
never
received
anything
like
that.
Our
staff
were
not
able
to
find
it
with
the
county
clerks
I'm,
not
sure
what
you
mean
by
scientific
evidence,
because
property
doesn't
get
determined
by
scientific
evidence.
B
You're
breaking
up
a
lot.
Do
you
want
to
try
turning
off
your
camera
to
see
if
that
helps
with
your
your
feed.
D
Okay,
so
I
guess
I
just
want
to
kind
of
the
point
I
was
trying
to
make.
Was
that
I
think
we
really
need
to
thoroughly
investigate
if
we
have
the
authority,
as
as
all
research
has
shown
and
as
I
was
mentioning
earlier,
the
1973
city
council
determined
that
the
city
did
not
own
the
soldiers,
Monument,
so
I
think
all
evidence
has
pointed
to
the
opposite,
and
we
need
to
make
sure
we
are
crystal
clear
that
we
have
the
authority
to
do
anything
with
soldiers
monuments.
D
Given
that
being
said,
I
I
do
have
some
questions
around
public
engagement
and
I
know
that
there
has
been
concerns
from
community
members
whether
it
was
last
week
during
our
city,
council,
meeting
or
folks
have
reached
out
regarding
their
concerns
in
regards
to
the
public
engagement
that
occurred
or
did
not
occur
during
the
development
of
the
resolution
and
I
guess.
D
If,
if
any
of
the
I
would
say
the
four
sponsors,
the
original
four
sponsors
can
help
to
elaborate
and
and
I
guess,
help
to
clarify
what
Community
engagement
was
done.
What
stakeholders
have
been
reached
out
to
since
the
introduction
of
the
resolution
and
any
plans
moving
forward
for
continued
public
engagement.
B
Before
that,
I
saw
City
attorney
Kerry's
hand
go
up.
Did
you
have
a
comment
that
you
wanted
to
make
and
then
I'll
pass
it
over
to
whichever
the
sponsors
want
to
take
it
on
I.
E
Did
thank
you,
chairman,
just
in
terms
of
all
evidence,
I've
distributed
and
asked
counselors
to
feel
free
to
share
it
with
others,
the
patent
that
we
do
have
from
the
US
government
from
pre-statehood
that
does
transfer
the
plaza
without
exception
to
the
city
of
Santa,
Fe
and
the
search
of
Records
after
that,
doesn't
identify
any
subsequent
transfers.
E
It
does
acknowledge
the
existence
of
the
Obelisk
at
that
time.
So
it
wasn't.
You
know
something
that
wasn't
being
thought
of,
and
then
there
are
certain
exemptions
from
that
transfer
which
include
the
federal
courthouse
and
certain
other
Federal
properties.
B
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
I'll,
certainly
also
refer
to
the
other
co-sponsors
that
are
members
of
the
committee,
but
I'll
just
kind
of
Kick
this
off.
So,
as
everybody
knows,
we
did
have
the
chart
process,
which
was
a
public
engagement
process
and
in
August
of
last
year
they
came
forward
with
a
report
and
with
53
recommendations
for
the
city
to
consider
about
how
to
move
forward
with
the
issues
identified
through
the
chart
process.
J
The
four
sponsors
we
did
get
together
starting
in
August,
and
we
held
a
series
of
meetings
with
each
other
to
come
together
and
talk
about
those
recommendations
that
had
been
recommended
and
which
had
been
developed
through
a
community
process,
and
we
put
together
the
resolution
that
we
introduced
last
week
we
have
been,
we
did
do
a
press
release
the
week
prior
to
the
resolution
being
introduced.
We
have
been
responsive
to
people
who
are
interested
in
meeting.
J
We
have
been
responsive
to
emails,
I
certainly
have
been
responsive
to
emails,
I've
been
receiving
with
various
ideas,
and
we
will
continue
to
do
that.
We
do
have
a
press
release
going
out
tomorrow.
There
are
three
ways
to
for
the
community
to
give
their
input
on
the
resolution
as
it
moves
through
the
committee
process
and
I.
Think.
As
we've
said,
it
is
going
to
all
the
council
committees
and
we
are
we
do
have.
We
had
I
would
guess
about
an
hour
of
public
input
on
the
resolution.
J
The
night
it
was
introduced
through
petitions
from
the
floor
there'll
be
another
opportunity
for
the
community
to
make
comment
on
the
resolution
at
petitions
from
the
floor
of
the
governing
body
meeting
next
Wednesday.
J
In
addition,
people
can
write
their
counselors
directly
and
we
have
the
ability,
starting
this
week,
Friday
when
the
governing
body
agenda
is
produced,
you
will
be
able
to
comment
also
on
that
agenda
item.
Actually
I
guess
it'll
be
March
3rd
when
that'll
be
available,
but
anyway
we
do
have
a
press
release
going
out
to
outline
all
the
different
ways.
People
can
provide
input
as
this
moves
through
the
process,
so
I
think
I'll.
J
Stop
there
I
think
you
know
my
other
co-sponsors
may
have
things
to
add
that
I've,
forgotten
and
I
guess.
I
would
also
say
that
in
the
resolution
we
are
creating
an
office
of
of.
J
Equity
and
inclusion,
and
we
through
that
office,
see
this
work
continuing.
We
also
call
out
that
office
as
being
the
place
where
the
plaques
for
the
Obelisk
on
the
Plaza
will
be
developed.
We
imagine
that
there
will
be
Community
processes
in
those
in
the
development
of
those
plaques
and
that
that
offices,
work
and
all
the
proposals
for
how
to
redesign
reframe
and
mend
the
Obelisk,
which
will
be
coming
back
to
the
governing
body,
will
also
generate
opportunities
for
further
input.
J
So
again,
as
I've
said,
the
introduction
of
the
resolution
was
really
the
starting
point
for
further
conversations
both
on
the
resolution
and
on
all
the
work
that
will
continue.
As
as
we
move
forward
in
creating
the
office
and
in
doing
the
work
of
mending
reframing
and
the
the
work
of
of
the
obelisk,
so
I
guess
I'll
stop
there
for
a
second
time,
I'll
try
did.
K
Would
just
say
thank
you,
chair
I
would
just
say
that
counselor
Romero
worth
has
kind
of
hit
it
on
I.
Think
the
introduction
for
the
resolution
was
really
to
initiate
collaboration
with
the
community
and
with
our
colleagues
on
Council.
You
know
we
want
to
shape
it
and
we
want
to
mold
it
to
what
it
needs
to
be
in
to
do
that.
It
would
be
to
take
input
from
where
we're
starting
with,
which
is
what
was
introduced
last
week.
K
So
hearing
from
the
community
hearing
from
our
co-counselors
on
governing
body
is
a
very
important
piece
to
that
process.
That
is
why
we've
emphasized
I
think
over
and
over
again,
like
counselor
Romero
worth
said,
there's
a
press
release
coming
out
that
kind
of
outlines
the
path
that
this
resolution
is
on
and
we're
trying
to
emphasize
that
as
much
as
possible.
L
D
Thank
you,
madam
Sharon.
Thank
you
for
the
clarification
regarding
the
engagement,
I
I.
Just
think.
It's
evident
that
we
need
a
be
a
little
more
proactive
in
regards
to
engaging
folks,
so
I
guess.
My
question
is:
maybe
this
is
directed
at
the
City
attorney.
Is
there
anything
that
prohibits
us
from
hearing
this
resolution
as
a
somewhat
of
a
public
hearing
during
the
governing
body?
Should
this
move
forward
for
final
approval.
E
Sure,
Garcia
Sue
I
think
you
need
to
wave
your
rules
that
they
don't
allow
for
it
currently.
So
that's
you
know
the
type
of
thing
you
do
when
you
extend
beyond
11
30.
D
Okay
and
that's
something
we
could
we
do
that
prior
because
I
mean
obviously
we
would
want
to
alert
the
public
prior
to
the
beginning
of
that
meeting.
So,
for
example,
because
this
is
not
scheduled
to
be
heard
until
March
and
next
week,
would
it
be
possible
to
waive
the
rules
to
schedule
this
item
as
a
public
hearing
during
next
week's
governing
body
meeting
that
way,
the
public
is
well
informed
that
there
will
be
a
public
hearing
on
the
potential
final
approval
of
such
resolution.
Should
it
make
its
way
to
the
governing
body.
E
Chair
Caster,
counselor
Garcia.
Let
me
look
into
that
for
you,
because
it's
kind
of
a
procedurally
unusual
request.
D
Okay,
thank
you
so
much
I
appreciate
that
those
are
the
questions.
I
had
around
public
engagement.
D
I
do
have
a
number
of
questions
regarding
the
monument
itself,
so
one
of
the
questions
I
have
is
that
it
is
stated
in
the
resolution
that
while
there
are
deliberations-
and
let
me
pull
it
up,
while
there's
consideration
for
the
proposals
that
the
city
managers
sell,
remove
the
Box
covering
the
broken
Obelisk,
take
down
the
fence
surrounding
the
Obelisk
and,
to
the
extent
permitted
under
the
city's
code,
installed
temporary
lighting
to
shine
into
the
sky
representing
cope.
D
So
there's
two
two
parts
in
there
that
got
questions
about
the
first
part
is
removing
the
box
and
taking
down
the
fence.
My
concerns
arise
around
we've.
D
It's.
There
is
now
clear
evidence
that
the
intention
of
the
folks
that
illegally
destroyed
the
monument
wanted
to
destroy
it,
and
so
my
question
is:
is
there
a
plan
in
place
to
protect
the
monument?
D
J
J
The
forces
that
originally
thought
it
was
offensive
and
then
maybe
it
won't
be
in
as
great
a
threat,
so
I
think
we're
going
to
have
to
assess
that
threat
and
see
what's
going
on
I
as
it
as
we
get
as
we
move
along,
it
is
I
think
the
the
thought
among
the
sponsors
in
our
conversations
was
that
people
are
tired
of
looking
at
that
box
and
the
idea
of
pulling
the
box
down
pulling
the
fence
down
was
to
and
putting
a
light
and
again
I.
Don't
think
that
light.
J
You
know
we
have
to
do
it
in
compliance
with
city
code
and
the
resolution
calls
that
out.
The
idea
was
that
the
light
would
be
kind
of
like
the
light
around
the
911
Monument
site
in
New
York
City.
They
did
something
similar
with
a
light
shining
in
to
the
sky.
You
know
kind
of
and
I
think
the
idea
was
that
it
represented
hope
and
and
kind
of
the
future,
and
so
there's
a
parallel
that
we're
taking
that
idea
and
wanting
to
apply
it
here.
J
D
So
so
I
guess
I'm.
What
I'm
hearing
is
there's
not
a
plan
in
place
to
protect
what
remains
of
the
monument
because,
through
through
the
feedback
I've
received,
thus
far,
whether
the
the
monument
is
reconstructed
or,
if
you
know,
I,
think
it
was
even
in
the
paper
the
other
day.
Folks
folks
are
saying
it
needs
to
just
be
gone,
it
needs
to
be
torn
down,
and
there
are.
There
are
folks
in
our
community
who
are
voicing
that
that
if
this
goes
up,
it's
going
to
be
torn
down
again
and
I.
D
Think
for
us
to
not
plan
and
prepare
for
this
it
just
again
it
puts
us
back
in
that
situation
in
October
when
we
knew
that
was
the
intention
and
there
was
not.
We
were
not
prepared
for
it
and
it
led
to
the
ultimate
destruction
of
the
monument
and
so
I
would
I
would
highly
encourage
us
to
look
into
at
minimum
reconsider,
taking
down
the
fence,
because
that
is
some
type
of
mitigation.
D
J
Completely
agree:
counselor.
We
do
need
to
protect
it.
If,
if
we
see
that
it's
a
threat,
I
think
we
are
going
to
have
to
take
steps.
I
would
note
that
there
is
a
camera
now
placed
on
it.
The
police,
camera
I
forget
what
you
call
it,
but
it
is
there
on
the
Plaza,
24,
7,
recording
and
giving
real-time
information
about
what's
happening
there.
So
I
think
if
we
see
it
to
be
a
threat,
I
think
there
will
be
a
different
response.
J
This
time
we
we
do
need
to
protect
it
and
again
we're
just
floating
this
idea.
If
it
seems
like
the
community
is
going
to
continue
to
view
this
monument
in
a
way
that
they
feel
it
needs
to
be
destructed,
then
we're
going
to
have
to
take
appropriate
steps,
but
I'm
I'm,
hoping
that,
as
we
have
these
conversations,
people
see
that
we
are
trying
to
frame
it
in
a
way:
that's
more
inclusive
and
more
holistic
in
the
perspectives
and
the
histories
and
the
and
the
stories
of
our
Multicultural
community.
J
And
if
that's
true,
maybe
it
brings
the
temperature
down,
and
maybe
the
monument
won't
be
as
threatened.
I
see
my
co-sponsors
have
their
hands
up
so
I'll.
Stop
there
councilor.
K
You
chair
cassette
when
so
this
conversation
just
like,
brings
but
very
forwardly
that
we
have
a
bigger
issue,
and
that
is
why
we
have
this
large
amount
of
healing
that
needs
to
take
place
amongst
our
community.
K
I
think
the
office
of
equity
and
inclusion
is
part
of
preventing
something
like
that
from
occurring
again
around
the
Obelisk
Beyond,
cultural
and
historical
and
race.
We
have
a
lot
of
communities
within
our
larger
community
that
feel
like
they
aren't
heard
they
aren't
represented.
K
K
K
It's
a
very
loud
conversation
in
this
process,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
heart
and
feeling,
and
it
represents
the
history
for
many,
but
I
think
that
it
is
just
the
starting
point
for
a
larger
discussion
and
a
lot
of
work
that
needs
to
occur
within
the
office
of
equity
and
inclusion
and
I.
Think
that
work
is
what's
going
to
hopefully
right.
We
can't
guarantee
things
but
hopefully
prevent
from
people
feeling
so
divided
by
something
that
we
have
acts
reoccur
I.
K
Also
think,
though,
their
work
is
going
to
be
powerful,
powerful
for
all
of
the
other
underrepresented
populations
in
Santa
Fe,
which
I'm
gonna
continue
to
shine
light
on.
As
we
have
these
conversations
because
I
don't
feel
like
we're
doing
it
enough.
We
do
have
divisions
around
culture
and
race
in
Santa
Fe,
and
that's
very
clear.
K
That
voice
is
very
loud
but
I
feel
like
we
as
co-sponsors
to
this
resolution
or
sponsors
to
this
revolution
also
have
to
bring
forward
that
those
populations
that
we're
also
trying
to
address
outside
of
race
and
culture.
So
I
just
wanted
to
shine
light
on
the
office
of
equity
and
inclusion
and
how
to
me
that's
the
most
exciting
piece
of
this
resolution.
That's
preventative!
That's
preventative
of
people
feeling
like
they
don't
belong.
K
That's
preventative
of
people
feeling
like
they
have
to
take
drastic
measures
to
be
heard
like
that
is
the
preventative
measure
that
I
think
the
city
of
Santa
Fe
needs
and
connecting
with
Community
Partners
connecting
with
the
community
to
help
us.
The
government
know
how
to
best
serve
its
citizens,
so
the
Obelisk
is
part
but
I
think
it's
a
longer
process
and
I'm
excited
for
the
office
of
equity
and
inclusion
to
kind
of
take
us
through
that
process.
That's
something
I
I
wish.
K
We
could
talk
more
about
and
focus
more
on,
because
I
feel
like
that's.
Where
we're
going
to
see
the
real
results
come
in
when
it
comes
to
Healing
as
a
community
here
in
Santa
Fe,
so
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
and
counselor
Via
Real
I
think
you
have
something
to
add
as
well.
Thank
you,
chair,
cassette.
I
Villarreal,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
councilwoman
Chavez
for
adding
that
element
to
it.
I
think
you
know,
since
I've
been
on
Council,
my
vision
has
been
to
create
what
what
probably
now
is
the
office
of
equity
and
inclusion,
and
it's
based
around
this
same
concept.
These
same
issues
that
we've
been
dealing
with
for
a
long
time,
there's
been
a
desire
from
community
members
to
be
able
to
have
a
space
to
talk
about
these
issues,
and
this
is
not
a
New
Concept.
We
had
talked
about
this
before
the
equity
office
of
equity
inclusion.
I
It
exists
in
Albuquerque,
it's
been
very
successful
there
and
other
offices
across
the
country,
but
the
city
of
Santa
Fe
used
to
have
an
office
of
Intercultural
Affairs
and
they
played
a
similar
role
that
we
envision
they
were
dealing
with.
You
know
divisions
or
different
opinions
about
around
immigration.
They
looked
at
lgbtq
issues.
There
were
veterans
conversations
as
it
related
to
the
Japanese
internment
camp,
and
you
know
they
are
were
also
instrumental
in
expanding
the
celebration
of
the
community
days,
which
is
what
influenced
the
development
of
the
plaza
Bandstand
program.
I
So
there's
a
need-
and
it
you
know,
there's
also
a
human
rights
element
to
it.
That
I
think
would
be
important
to
to
add
into
the
mix.
I.
Think,
though,
you
know
counselor
Garcia,
you
do
bring
up
a
good
point
and
although
there's
not
an
exact
plan,
I
think
before
we
remove
anything
taking
down
the
boxer
fence,
the
plaques
have
been
really
this.
The
I
guess
focus
of
it's
been
the
Crux
of
the
controversy
the
plaques
have
been.
I
You
know
the
controversy
around
the
lack
of
historical
context
of
those
plaques
and
so
I
think
before
we
remove
anything,
the
plan
will
be
to
that.
Those
plaques
will
need
to
be
removed
and
put
in
a
safe
place,
because
the
ultimate
goal
is
really
to
put
those
plaques
in
a
and
preserve
them
in
a
professional
manner,
so
that
people
can
actually
have
access
to
them
and
there
will
be
more
context
around
those
plaques
to
me,
that's
been
the
bigger
issue,
the
the
current
plaques
and
what
they
say
or
don't
say
and
so
I
agree.
I
B
D
Just
to
for
time's
sake
and
to
technical
issues,
I
think
you
know
better
to
just
be
off
camera
I,
don't
want
to
okay,
no
problem
further
complicate
the
process
and
I
do
appreciate
the
context
provided
by
my
colleagues.
You
know
the
the
mention
of
the
cameras.
Cameras
didn't
stop
the
the
vandalism
that
happened
right
the
the
summer
before
the
monument
was
destroyed.
Just
to
remind
folks
there
was
an
incident
where
there
was
vandalism
that
happened.
D
It
was
spray
painted
and
there
was
cameras
and
so
cameras
aren't
going
to
deter
anything
I,
I
hate
to
say
it,
but
it's
not
going
to
stop
and
we
need
to
be
more
proactive
than
that.
D
I
I
am
very
excited
around
the
the
development
of
the
office
of
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion,
but
I
I
want
to
remind
folks
that
a
lot
of
folks
in
our
community
that
that
would
would
need
to
participate
in
this
office
have
lost
trust
with
our
city
government
and
that's
the
first
step
is:
is
regraining
that
trust
from
folks
and
by
creating
this
new
Department
isn't
going
to
be
everything's
all
hunky-dory.
We
we
need
to
begin
to
regain
that
trust.
D
For
folks
to
begin
to
participate
in
these
processes
and
again
you
heard
from
folks
testifying
at
Council
last
week,
they're
not
going
to
participate
in
the
process
that
they
don't
feel
fits
their
needs,
and-
and
we
need
to
do
everything
we
can
to
ensure
that
as
we
move
forward
with
development
of
this
proposed
Department,
that
folks
feel
like
if
it's
going
to
meet
their
needs
and
I
I,
just
unfortunately,
don't
feel
like
we're
there.
Yet
we
need.
We
have
a
lot
of
leg
work
to
do
before
that,
but
it
will
be
a
a
strong
office.
D
Once
we
gain
that
support
from
the
community,
I
guess
the
the
other
questions
I
have
resolved
more
around.
D
You
know
the
the
pieces
of
the
soldiers,
Monument
I
know
it's
been
mentioned
in
the
past.
We
know
that
they're
in
a
secured
space,
but
I
guess
the
question
is:
is
it
the
intention
to
take
the
remaining
pieces
and
rebuild
it
in
the
form
of
an
obelisk,
because
one
question
I've
had
from
a
Community
member
is
the
intention
to
maybe
develop
some
other
type
of
shape,
form
piece
of
artwork
using
those
pieces?
J
So
let
me
read
from
the
resolution,
and
let
me
also
State
completely
agree
that
a
camera
in
and
of
itself
is
not
going
to
protect
the
Obelisk.
It's
just
one
tool,
but
we
do
need
to
protect
it
and
if
it's
not
going
to
be
safe,
if
we
feel
like
it's
not
going
to
be
safe,
then
removing
the
box
and
the
fence
isn't
probably
going
to
be
a
viable
idea.
But
it's
something
we'd
like
to
see
happen.
J
The
resolution
on
page
six
says
now,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
by
the
governing
body
of
the
city
of
Santa
Fe
that,
while
engaging
in
voluntary
conversations
with
shippo,
which
is
the
state
historic
preservation,
office,
the
city
manager,
shell,
hire
conservation,
I'm,
sorry,
conservators,
designers
and
or
historians
to
determine
specific
proposals
to
mend
redesign
and
or
reframe
the
Obelisk
as
follows.
J
Let
me
see
if
there's
anything
else,
that's
we
also
call
out
for
four
new
plaques
and
we
describe
what
each
of
those
plaques
should
provide.
Substantively
we
ask
that
the
office
of
equity
and
inclusion,
one
of
their
first
tasks,
is
to
come
up
with
the
exact
wording
on
three
of
the
four
plaques
and
so
I.
I.
Think
that
what
we're
seeing
here
is
my
sense
of
it
is
that
we're
putting
the
Obelisk
back
together
as
an
obelisk,
but
it
needs
to
be
bonded
with
a
material
that
delineates.
J
As
the
thing
says,
the
fractures
it
delineates
the
fractured
lines
and
is
using
a
contrasting
material.
So
it
has
to
be
different
than
the
material
that
is
the
obelisk.
D
And
just
again,
these
are
questions
that
some
community
members
have
brought
forth
and
the
disability
deserves
to
just
kind
of
be
re-clarified
as
we're
moving
forward
through
this
process.
Councilwoman.
I
To
add
to
that,
yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
Counselor
Garcia
I
actually
think.
Once
we
see
what
what
pieces
are
left,
it
probably
will
look
different.
It
is
not
going
to
be
the
Obelisk
as
we
know
it.
It's
going
to
be
filled
in
with
different
material,
there's,
probably
going
to
be
pieces
that
are
no
longer
going
to
be
there.
It's
just
the
way
it
is
in
terms
of
like
what
happened
and
the
fact
that
we're
looking
at
reframing
and
re
redesigning
what
used
to
be
so
I
I.
B
Thank
you,
councilwoman
Council,
Garcia,
back
to
you.
L
D
These
are
again,
these
are
the
the
comments
the
public
needs
to
hear
as
we're
moving
forward
through
this
process.
The
other
questions
I
have
revolve
more
around
the
four
plaques.
The
four
proposed
plaques
and
I'll,
just
go
one
by
one.
The
first
one
is
talking
about
the
history
of
the
soldiers.
Monuments
understand
that
the
second
plaque
shall
contain
an
indigenous
land
acknowledgment
I
think
we
heard
the
Public's
concern
around
that
and
if
we
move
forward
with
this
I
I
would
and
I'm
happy
to
introduce
an
amendment
to
this.
D
D
We
need
to
ensure
we're
hearing
everybody
and,
and
if
we
move
forward
with
this
proposal,
we
we
we
take
into
consideration
everybody's
voice
and
it
should
be
stipulated
in
the
resolution
that
we're
going
to
do
so,
the
third
one,
the
third
plaque
about
the
and
throughout
the
proclamation,
and
that
one
a
little
concerned
around
that,
because
these
are
two
completely
separate
incidences
in
thranda
Proclamation-
was
about
an
event
that
was
retired.
D
When
folks
illegally
tore
down
a
monument
and
they're
so
I
I,
don't
think
I'm,
not
in
agreement
with
this
third
one
to
two
completely
separate
issues.
We
want
to
create
a
new,
similar,
Proclamation,
fantastic,
but
what
happened
in
2018
was
completely
different.
It
actually
I
think
we
shouldn't
do
it
in
the
sense
that
the
work
was
not
completed
in
2018.
D
You
know
there
was
some
type
of
momentum
that
was
started
in
2018
and
then
it
just
stopped
and
I
think
it
it
it's
a
it's,
not
the
right
thing
to
do
with
with
that.
So
I'm
I'm,
not
in
agreement
with
this
third
proposed
plaque.
The
fourth
plaque
describes
the
events
again
this
one's
a
little
more
concerning
to
me
as
well,
because
you
look
at
it
in
the
context
of
your
your
almost
highlighting
an
event
that
and
I'll
put
it
in
the
context
of
the
insurrection.
D
Do
we
highlight
the
Insurrection
in
the
sense
Where
We
Are,
allowing
for
the
folks
that
were
arrested
and
charged
and
and
put
into
jail
with
the
Insurrection?
No,
we
don't
and
so
I
think
that's
where
we
really
need
to
reconsider
how
we
frame
this,
because
in
this
incident
here
with
the
The
Monuments,
there
were
similar
outcomes
in
the
sense
that
there
were
folks
who
were
charged
and
they
were
that
they
went
through
that
process.
D
Whether
folks
agreed
with
the
outcome
or
not,
they
were
they
were
criminally
charged,
and
so
is
that
something
that
we
want
future
generations
to
say:
hey
look!
If
we
go
destroy
a
monument,
we're
going
to
be
part
of
a
monument
in
the
future,
we
really
need
to
reconsider
The
Voice
the
the
message
we're
sending
to
Future
Generations,
while
also
respecting
our
ancestors,
so
I
think
this.
This
fourth
proposal
side
I,
really
need
to
think
about
how
we
could
better
represent
something
that
that
signifies
hope
for
the
future.
B
Councilor
mayorworth
did
you
want
to
respond.
J
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
counselor
for
the
questions
so
I'm
going
to
go
back
to
the
resolution.
It
says
among
its
first
tasks,
the
office
of
equity
and
inclusion
shall
recommend
language
for
at
least
four
new
plaques
to
surround
the
Obelisk,
to
determine
broader
perspectives
and
more
complete
representation
of
the
community's
complex
Multicultural
history.
As
was
noted,
the
first
plaque
shall
describe
a
complete
history
of
the
Obelisk
as
the
soldiers
Monument.
J
The
fourth
plaque
shall
describe
the
events
that
led
to
the
obelisk's
destruction
and
pledge
a
commitment
to
healing
and
Reconciliation
to
better
understanding
of
our
diversity
and
to
more
inclusive
representation
and
telling
of
our
complex
Multicultural
histories
and
cultural
perspectives,
so
just
to
put
that
out
there.
What
the
resolution
does
call
for
the
sponsors
did
have
quite
a
bit
of
conversation
about
the
wording
of
these
plaques.
We
actually
had
some
drafts
of
an
indigenous
land
acknowledgment
and
we
struggled
with
it.
J
We
looked
at
an
acknowledgment
that
is
used
by
the
Santa
Fe
Public
Schools,
and
that
has
been
that
had
been
vetted
by
I.
J
Think
the
indigenous
and
Native
communities
when
it
was
developed
for
that
use
and
we
really
decided
that
we
shouldn't
offer
language
here,
because
for
the
specific
reason
that
we
think
the
development
of
these
plaques
is
going
to
need
stakeholder
involvement
for
each
of
them,
I
think
that
the
soldiers,
the
the
complete
history
of
the
Obelisk
as
the
soldiers
Monument,
is
going
to
need
interaction
with
the
stakeholders
that
feel
strongly
about
that
Monument
as
the
soldiers
monument,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
what
we
put
on
that
plaque
includes
those
voices.
J
So
that's
why
the
the
resolution
doesn't
State
particular
language
it.
It
asks
that
the
first
task
of
the
office
of
equity
and
inclusion
is
to
work
on
the
substance
of
those
I
think
you
know
we
decided
we,
we
were
not
qualified
and
we
could
not
use
someone
else's
indigenous
land
acknowledgment
that
really
needs
to
involve
the
stakeholders
of
that
Community
to
come
up
with
something
appropriate.
I.
Think
the
the
piece
about
the
Obelisk
destruction
is,
is
probably
you
know,
I
I.
J
The
part
that's
important
to
me
of
that
fourth
plaque:
Is
our
commitment
to
healing
and
Reconciliation
to
being
more
inclusive
to
telling
a
more
holistic
story.
So
that's
the
what
I'd
like
to
see
emphasize
there.
What
happened
to
the
soldiers
Monument
is
now
part
of
our
history.
It's
part
of
that
monument
and
any
more
than
I.
You
know
we
in
this
resolution.
J
We
also
call
for
the
the
existing
plaques
to
be
preserved
in
a
professional
manner
and
to
be
you
know,
put
in
probably
a
museum,
maybe
a
museum
about
Santa
Fe
history,
we're
not
going
to
destroy
those
plaques.
They
are
part
of
the
monument
they
are
part
of
The
Monument's
history.
We
don't
want
them
in
the
plaza
anymore,
but
we
we
can't
destroy
them.
So
I
think
you
know
what
happened
to
the
Obelisk
is
part
of
its
history.
We
I
don't
want
to
bury
that
or
pretend
it
didn't
happen.
J
I
think
we
do
need
to
acknowledge.
It
happened
and
probably
why
but
I
think
what
what
I
find
important
about
that?
Fourth,
plaque
is
the
commitment:
what
we're
pledging
to
be
more
inclusive,
to
tell
a
a
more
holistic
story
to
include
more
perspectives,
and
so
I
I
find
that
plaque
among
I,
don't
know
a
really
important
one
and
I
see
one
of
the
co-sponsors
has
her
hand
up
so
I'll
stop
there.
Thank.
I
I
Veteria,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
just
to
add
to
that
I
think.
If
someone
were
to
see
something
redesigned
or
reframed
you'd
have
to
have
an
explanation
of
it
like.
Why
did
it
get
reframed?
Why
was
there
a
redesign
and
with
different
some
materials
being
used?
I
think
that
fourth
plaque
is
really
going
to
have
to
explain
that
that
was
really
like
an
explanation.
What
happened?
Why
are
we
here
today?
The
other
piece
I
want
to
say
is
the
Entrada.
I
Proclamation
absolutely
has
a
connection
to
what's
happened
in
our
community
because
it
describes
a
commitment
to
healing
and
Reconciliation
and
to
a
more
inclusive
representation
of
our
complex
multi-cultural
history,
and
you
know,
even
if
I
I
was
going
to
bring
it
up
it,
it
may
be
a
bit
long.
So
we'd
have
to
look
at
this,
but
you
know
really,
it
doesn't
say
anything
about
the
Entrada.
It
talks
about
on
September
7th
2018.
I
We
Proclaim
our
love
for
our
city
of
oga,
poke,
La,
Via,
Real
de
Santa,
Fe
San,
Francisco,
Santa
Fe,
our
people,
our
languages,
our
way
of
life
and
the
sacred
land
and
its
blessings
which
we
gratefully
receive,
and
it
talks
about
acknowledging
trauma,
tragedy
and
sorrow
understanding
our
Legacy.
It
talks
about
acknowledging
the
depth
of
wisdom
and
resiliency
that
comes
from
struggle.
It
talks
about
our
grief.
I
It
talks
about
acknowledging
the
tithe
that
bind
us
in
an
unbreakable
Bond
of
solidarity
and
on
and
on
there's
some
so
many
different
pieces
to
this
Proclamation
that
are
beautiful.
That
I
would
love
for
it
to
be
presented
and
be
shown
somewhere.
It
actually
does
not
mention
anywhere
and
the
process
of
of
retiring
the
emperada.
It's
talking
about
our
histories
and
I,
think
it's
beautiful,
I'd
love.
I
We
should
probably
have
it
attached
to
the
the
documents,
because
I
think
that
of
that
piece
is
really
important
to
the
like
whole
picture
of
how
we're
reimagining,
Santa,
Fe
and
looking
at
our
complex
history
and
how
we
heal
and
reconcile
some
of
the
and
redress
some
of
the
past
wrongs,
so
I
think
that's
extremely
important.
I
If
you
want
to
add
some
language
as
it
relates
to
the
plaque
on
the
indigenous
landed
acknowledgment,
we
actually
heard
from
some
tribal
leaders
that
are
from
tesuke,
which
is
this
is
their
ancestral
land
oga
poke
is
tesuke
Pablo's
ancestral
land.
They
would
be
very
interested
in
helping
with
the
land
acknowledgment
piece
the
language.
So
yes,
there
are
folks
that
want
to
be
part
of
that.
So
if
you
want
to
clarify
that
somewhere,
that
would
be
fine.
I
B
Thank
you
so
much
councilman
video
and
you
actually
you
read
my
mind.
I
was
I
was
thinking
that
we
really
should
have
the
proclamation
to
give
that
context
to
the
community
and
and
if
we
could
add
it
to
the
packet
materials.
So
Aaron
are
you
you're.
The
staff
on
here
can
I
make
that
request
of
you
to
make
sure
that
the
Entrada
Proclamation
gets
added
to
the
materials.
E
Sorry
I
was
buried
in
Windows
there.
Yes,
we
can
add
that
for
sure.
B
Wonderful,
thank
you
and
then
councilor
mayorworth
did
you
have
some
additional
I.
J
Thought
I
just
wanted
to
add
really
quick
I
do
think
the
sponsors
have
a
couple
of
amendments
that
they'll
be
making
and
and
I.
Think
one
of
these
is
to
add
some
language
to
be
clear,
that
we
want
the
office
of
equity
and
inclusion
in
the
development
of
the
plaques
to
engage
stakeholders
as
appropriate
for
the
particular
plaque.
So
I
do
think
that
that
is
something
we'll
be
including
in
what
I'm
calling
a
sponsors
amendment
to
to
this
resolution
and.
E
Just
to
add
on
to
what
I
said
before,
what
I
can
do
is
make
it
an
attachment
to
my
memo
and
then,
but
if
the
sponsors
want
to
make
an
attachment
to
the
resolution,
we
could
also
do
it
as
an
exhibit.
If
you
want
to
add
an
exhibit
to
the
resolution
itself,.
J
You
know
that
is
the
one
plaque
we
know
for
sure
what
it's
going
to
say
so
putting
it
out
there.
So
people
aren't
confused
about
you
know
if
they
aren't
familiar
with
it
that
they,
you
know,
aren't
confused
about
what
it
says,
and
it
doesn't
talk
about
the
Entrada
which
could
be
confusing.
Why
would
we
would
talk
about
the
andrata
and
the
retirement
of
it?
What
we're
really
capturing
is
the
beauty
of
that
language,
as
councilwoman
Villarreal
said,
and
the
commitment
underscoring
how
we
want
to
move
forward.
B
Thank
you
so
much
Council
Garcia
the
floor
is
still
yours.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
I
completely
agree.
The
2018
Proclamation
was
was
written
beautifully,
but
it
was
written
beautifully
with
the
intention
around
the
Entrada
and
that's
why
it's
got
the
date
there
and
there's
nothing
that
prohibits
us
from
crafting
and
equally
beautiful
Proclamation,
signifying
this
moment
that
we
are
potentially
moving
forward
with
this
Monument
and
I.
D
Think
that's
the
concern
is
we
are
taking
something
that
was
crafted
for
complete
a
completely
separate
purpose
and
slapping
it
onto
this
Monument
I
think
we
can
do
better
and
I
know
we
can
do
better
and
that's
what
the
QR
code
is
for.
We
can
also
have
that
QR
code
to
say:
Hey,
look,
we've
done
this
in
the
past.
D
It
can
give
you
that
historical
context,
so
that
that's
my
response
to
that
and
in
regards
to
the
comments
one
of
my
colleagues
made
around
the
fourth
black
I,
don't
see
it
again,
I
don't
see
us
installing
any
type
of
signage
or
memorials
or
plaques
for
folks
that
participated
in
the
Insurrection.
So
I
I
completely
agree
in
regards
to
the
healing
and
Reconciliation
portion
of
that,
but
the
other
portion
it
can
be
signified
in
a
QR
code.
D
We
shouldn't
be
I,
guess
highlighting
folks
that
were
creating
these
illegal
events
in
our
community
because
then
again
it
just
allows
for
somebody
to
say
this
happened
and
I'm
going
to
copycat
it,
and
this
this
better
be
the
same
outcome.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I.
I
just
wanted
to
talk
about
the
qur
code.
Since
you
know
we
may
have
community
members
listening,
may
not.
You
know
wanting
to
know
more
I
just
wanted
to
briefly
read
from
the
resolution.
J
So
in
the
resolution
we
also
suggest
that
that's
no,
no
sponsors
do
you
know
where
the
set
where
we
talk
about
this.
Oh
I,
think,
okay.
J
Here
we
go
on
page
six
at
the
bottom
of
page
six,
we
suggest
that
in
The,
Mending,
redesigning
and
reframing
of
the
Obelisk
that
there
be
that
we
display
some
sort
of
interactive
interface,
such
as
a
QR
code
and
the
thinking
there
is
that
we
would
like
the
public
to
be
able
to
access
more
information
and
learn,
learn
about
the
varied
perspectives
from
the
community's
complex
history
and
contribute
their
own
perspective.
So
it
would
be
two
where
we're
envisioning,
something
like
a
QR
code.
J
Whatever
the
proper
technology
is
where
you
could
leave
a
story
or
a
perspective
or
a
feeling,
but
you
could
also,
if
you
were
there
visiting
and
taking
in
the
the
monument
you
could
also
find.
It
would
also
enable
you
to
find
more
information,
because
our
history
is
so
rich.
We're
not
going
to
be
able
to
put
it
all
on
four
plaques
and
we
want
people
to
to
be
easily
easily
be
able
to
access
more
information,
have
more
resources
at
their
disposal.
J
B
Thank
you
so
much
councilor
Garcia
back
to
you.
D
J
So
I
do
think
we
call
out
that
we
would
like
recommendations
for
the
new
office
of
equity
and
inclusion
to
be
in
the
mayor's
FY
24
budget,
which
the
financial
committee
will
be
conducting
hearings
on
in
April.
So
that
is
pretty
specific
and
trying
to
find.
So
it's
the
bit
further
resolved
on
page
seven
that
the
city
manager
shall
recommend
the
appropriate
budget
and
placement
for
the
office
of
equity
and
inclusion
in
the
mayor's
fiscal
year,
2024
budget
and
for
consideration
by
the
governing
body.
J
So
that
is
something
that
would
be
coming
forward
this
year.
I
do
think
as
part
of
the
sponsor's
Amendments.
One
of
the
things
that
we
probably
need
to
indicate
is
for
the
Obelisk
for
the
monument
getting
a
timeline
say
in
the
next
I.
Don't
know,
I
think
we
need
to
probably
talk
to
staff,
but
once
the
resolution
passes
and
this
and
this
and
the
budget
is
adopted,
how
much
time
do
we
leave?
You
know?
J
How
soon
would
we
like
to
see
those
proposals
for
the
Obelisk
mending
reframing
redesigning,
and
you
know
it's
sort
of
a
domino
effect,
so
maybe
a
year
from
now,
I
don't
know
how
fast
they
can
do
it.
But
first
we've
got
to
get
that
that
budget
passed.
We've
got
to
hire
staff
we've
got
to.
J
You
know,
get
that
office
basically
up
and
running
so
that
they
can
start
to
work
on
this,
and
so
it
that's
going
to
take
a
little
bit
of
time
in
and
of
itself
so
I
mean
maybe
a
year
from
now
we
would
have
a
proposal,
but
you
know,
certainly
if,
if
we
could
do
it
faster
that'd
be
great,
but
I
I
also,
you
know
recognize.
This
is
important
work.
It
is
going
to
take
some
time
and
want
to
make
sure
we
we
allow
proper
time.
J
Thank
you
and
I
guess.
The
only
other
thing
I'd
add
is
that
you
know
there
are
53
recommendations
in
the
chart.
Report.
I,
think
part
of
our
thinking
around
creating
an
office
of
equity
and
inclusion
is
that
the
work
from
the
chart
report
recommendations
that
work
is
going
to
take
time.
That's
why
you
need
an
office,
it's
going
to
need
to
be
something
that
we
work
on
over
the
the
coming
years.
None
of
that
stuff
can
be
done
quickly.
J
B
You
Council
Garcia
back
to
you.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair
again.
I
just
want
to
thank
the
the
four
original
sponsors
for
bringing
this
forward,
because
it
begins
to
allow
us
to
have
these
critical
discussions
and
conversations
in
regards
to
how
we
as
a
community,
want
to
move
forward,
because
before
it
was,
there
was
nothing
really
proposed
in
the
chart
report,
and
at
least
now
we
have
some
type
of
direction
for
folks
to
provide
input
on
and
so
I
do
want
to.
Thank
the
the
four
original
sponsors
for
initiating
this
conversation.
D
I
do
think
this
resolution
needs
some
work
to
make
it
as
strong
as
it
can
be.
We've
got
to
remember
we're
not
working
for
the
now
we're
not
working
solely
to
ensure
that
we
are
properly
recognizing
our
history.
D
More
importantly,
we're
working
towards
future
generations
and
future
Generations
are
going
to
be
judging
us
on
how
we
in
this
moments
moved
forward
and
it's
incumbent
of
us
to
ensure
that
we
are
not
leaving
any
stone
unturned,
any
voice
and
heard,
and
any
idea
left
on
the
table.
We
need
to
ensure
that
we
are
moving
forward
in
the
appropriate
manner.
D
So
with
that
being
said,
I
know
March
8th
date
was
thrown
out
there,
but
if
we
need
to
slow
this
down
to
to
ensure
that
the
public
is
not
only
a
hundred
percent
behind
us,
but
a
thousand
percent
behind
this,
because
if
we
get
this
wrong,
we
are
going
to
cause
so
much
hurt
and
Division
in
our
community.
That
is
unrepairable.
D
B
If
not
I
do
have
a
couple
you
know.
Thank
you.
There
was
a
robust
discussion,
a
lot
of
some
of
the
things
that
I
had
questions
on
were
discussed,
and
especially
I
really
want
to.
Thank
you
all
for
your
discussions
around
the
the
thinking
behind
the
four
plaques
and
how
those
were
chosen.
I
think
that
that
was
really
really
enlightening
and
I
want
to
appreciate.
I
really
want
to
thank
you
guys
for
for
flushing
that
out
a
bit
I
do
have
a
technical
question.
B
The
the
comment
about
light
shining
into
the
sky.
As
per
our
code
allows.
Can
you
provide
information
of
what
our
code
allows
for
that?
I
know
that
we
do
have
conversations
around
Dark
Skies?
What?
What
exactly?
Does
that
mean
in
terms
of
what
the
limitations
are
on,
how
lights
shine
into
the
sky.
E
B
Okay,
so
maybe
something
that
we
need
to
think
about
as
we
go
through
this
process,
if
the
code
does
not
allow
for
it,
what
what
potential
Alternatives
we
might
look
at
for
the
time
being
or
yeah,
it
sounds
like
sounds
like
that.
Maybe
we
have
to
discuss.
E
Chair
counselor,
oh
sorry,
chair
cassette,
counselors.
We
might
want
to
look
at
signing
them
at
something
in
particular
and
providing
some
shielding,
but
I
think
the
sentiment
was
was
certainly
to
to
provide
the
symbolic
demonstration
of
hope.
It
seemed
like
probably
there's
some
restrictions
on
being
able
to
do
what
was
contemplated
in
the
city's
code,
but
we
still
want
to
you
know
a
way
to
document
that
interest.
Without
we
hadn't
figured
out
a
way
and
I
say
we,
but
I
was
helping
with
the
drafting.
E
Obviously
so
I
don't
think
an
alternative
was
identified,
but
probably
didn't
find
one
yeah,
okay,
good.
O
J
I
can
add
sorry,
madam
chair,
so
it
does
just
so
again
to
read
from
the
resolution
it
says,
while
proposals
for
and
conversations
about,
the
Reconstruction
of
the
Obelisk
is
undertaken,
the
city
manager
shall
remove
the
Box
covering
the
broken
Obelisk,
take
down
the
fence
surrounding
the
Obelisk
and,
to
the
extent
permitted
under
the
cityx
code,
install
temporary
lighting
to
shine
into
the
sky
representing
hope,
yeah
I
mean
I,
think
it
this
was.
We
were
I,
think
everybody
is
tired
of
the
box
and
we
wanted
to
offer
something
that
showed.
J
Maybe
progress,
and
you
know
something
about.
You
know
we're
we're
something's
changing
something's
coming,
it's
gonna
be
different.
It
may
not
be
possible
and
I
don't
think
you
know
anybody
is
thinking
about
a
enormous
Spotlight.
You
know
that
travels
a
great
distance.
We
do
have
a
lot
of
lighting
on
the
Plaza
with
the
Christmas
and
holiday
lighting
I.
You
know,
I,
don't
think
it
was
this
idea
that
it
was
going
to
be
this
just
incredible.
J
You
know
bright,
Spotlight
kind
of
thing
and
we
would
be
very
constrained
based
on
city
code,
but
it
may
not
be
possible,
so
it
was
just
kind
of
a
wouldn't
it
be
nice
and
we'll
see
if
it's
feasible
right.
B
Yeah
absolutely
and
I
understand
really
the
sentiment.
I
do
here
at
least
once
a
week.
You
know:
when
are
we
going
to
get
rid
of
that
box?
Please,
you
know,
get
rid
of
the
Box,
and
so
I
I
appreciate
these
conversations.
That
I
think
we'll
have
over
the
next
few
weeks
of
what
some
viable
alternatives
are.
While
we
are,
the
city
manager
is
exploring
the
Reconstruction
and
reconstitution
of
the
obelisk.
E
Just
to
clarify
chair
Cal,
State
counselors,
it's
just
the
lighting
portion
that
that
restriction,
the
rest
of
it
I,
don't
think
we
have
any
concerns
about
it
being
restricted
under
city
code.
The
lighting
specifically.
B
Right
yeah,
thank
you.
Thank
you
and
again,
you
know.
I!
Don't
really
have
any
additional
questions.
There
was
a
lot
that
I
am
looking
forward
to
seeing
the
Amendments
from
the
sponsors.
I
I,
think
the
conversation
around
timing,
the
office
of
equity
and
inclusion.
You
know
I
I,
agree
that
this
is
a
really
exciting
aspect
of
this
resolution
and
really
hearing
councilor
Chavez
talk
about
it
in
a
way
that
that
that
broadens
this,
you
know
that
there
there
really
is
so
many
different
areas
and
I
know.
B
Councilman
veteriel
has
spoken
about
this
as
well
that
we
we
really
need
to
work
on
how
we
engage
with
our
residents
and
the
various
needs
and
various
opinions
and
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
more
conversation
around
that,
where,
where
is
it
being
proposed,
that
it
sits
or
is
that
something
to
be
determined,
because
we
will
have
to
amend
the
ordinance
that
establishes
our
city
structure.
J
J
So
that
so
I
think
that's
going
to
be
the
the
going
back
to
the
resolution.
It
requires
the
city
manager
to
where
did
I
find
this
recommend
the
the
appropriate
budget
budget
and
placement
for
the
office
of
equity
and
inclusion,
so
I
think
that's
a
conversation
we're
going
to
need
to
have
once
that
recommendation
comes
forward
and
I
see.
J
The
City
attorney
has
her
hand
up
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
considerations
that
have
to
be
taken
into
account
and
you
know
we'll
we'll
get
a
recommendation
and
then
we'll
have
to
have
some
conversations
about
it.
But
let
me
defer
to
the
City
attorney.
E
Was
just
a
cleric
patient?
We
don't
necessarily
need
amend
the
ordinances
because
it's
not
going
to
be
a
well
for
a
couple
reasons.
One
I
don't
think
it's
contemplated
as
a
Department
per
se,
although
it's
not
a
defined
term
in
our
code
or
otherwise
at
the
city.
But
there
are,
the
city
manager
doesn't
need
to
come
to
the
governing
body
when
departments
are
created
or
eliminated
for
for
authorization.
Basically,
I,
don't
think
this
is
contemplated
as
that
it's
not
called
a
department.
E
So
certainly,
if
there
was
something
in
ordinance
that
identified
this
office,
then
it
would
need
to
be
modified
if
it
wasn't
going
to
be
where
it
said
it
was
going
to
be
right
now,
there's
nothing
saying
it
would
have
to
be
in
a
particular
place.
Okay
and
our
ordinances
contemplate
structural
changes
other
than
that
at
the
department
level.
E
B
J
You
appreciate
that
I
I
would
just
also
add
that
we
contemplate
that
this
office
Focus
internally
and
externally,
so
it
has
very
important
role
and
needs
to
be
placed
very
appropriately
so
that
it
can
do
the
work
internally
in
a
way
where
it
has
credibility
and
authority
and
then
obviously
there's
a
lot
of
external
work
that
needs
to
happen
with
the
community.
So
the
the.
B
Thank
you
so
much,
and
then
I
just
want
to
follow
up
on
on
some
comments
that
were
previously
made.
You
know
when
I
I
do
agree
that
this
is.
We
are
at
a
very
tenuous
point
in
our
city
in
our
community.
B
I
worry
that
there's
not
really
a
right
answer.
I,
don't
think
that
we
can
say
that
we're
whether
we
get
it
right
or
wrong,
and
it's
hard
to
say
that
you
know
we
make
decisions
when
we
want
to
make
the
right
decisions,
I
think
what
we
really
need
to
focus
on
and
and
councilor
Garcia.
You
know
you
did
State
this
of
of
making
sure
that
we
are
focusing
on
inclusivity.
We
are
focusing
on
being
open.
We
are
focusing
on
how
do
we
start
to
knit
back
some
of
the
divisions?
B
How
do
we
look
at
the
language
that
we
are
using
when
we
talk
about
our
community
when
we
talk
about
different
parts
of
our
community?
I
I.
Think
that
this
is
you
know
to
to
the
points
that
have
been
made
by
everybody.
B
This
is
a
long
road,
and-
and
this
is
that's
why
we
are
you
know
putting
into
place
this
office.
It's
why
we
are
looking
at
some
of
these
conversations.
I'll
state
that
I'm
really
excited
about
it,
so
I'll
share
it,
for
our
culture
connects
project
that
councilor,
Chavez
and
I
are
doing
in
District.
B
Four
I'm
really
excited
that
we're
doing
some,
some
really
fun
explorations
of
the
cultures
within
District
Four
and
the
individuals
within
District,
Four
and
and
the
Traditions
within
District,
Four
and
and
I
I
think
how
we
start
to
to
Pivot
again
to
looking
at
how
we
celebrate
different
cultures
and
I
think
part
of
our
role,
our
Pro.
Maybe
our
most
important
role
here
is
how
we
start
to
reduce
the.
B
A
B
Myself
with
everything
that
we
do
is
that
there's
validity
on
all
sides
of
the
argument
and
really
how
we
recognize
those,
but
also
how
we
start
to
to
to
work
on
bringing
us
back
together
and
I.
Think
we
need
to
be
really
careful
about
inflammatory
language
and
so
I
really
want
to
push
back
against
this
idea
that
the
individuals
who
tore
down
the
Obelisk
are
in
any
way
comparable
to
the
insurrectionists.
B
They
were
basically
trying
to
overthrow
the
government.
They
were
trying
to
reverse
a
free
and
fair
election.
They
were
literally
attacking
the
foundation
of
our
democracy.
They
had
zip
ties.
They
were
calling
to
hang
an
elected
official.
We
had
elected
officials,
fear
for
their
lives.
This
was
a
completely
different
scenario
and
to
state
that
individuals
and
I'm
not
saying
you
know.
Of
course
it
was,
you
know
it
was.
B
They
broke
the
law,
but
there
are
different
levels
of
of
law
breaking
and
the
intentions
behind
the
individuals
who
pulled
down
the
Obelisk
versus
the
individuals
who
went
to
the
Capitol
to
try
to
literally
overturn
an
election
and
take
over
our
government
they're
just
their
night
and
day
and
I.
Think
that
we
need
to
be
very,
very,
very
careful
because
again,
we
are
demonizing
other
individuals
in
our
community
and
we
we
just.
We
can't
do
that
anymore.
There
are
so
many
different
opinions.
B
There
are
so
many
different
emotions
and
we
need
to
find
the
validity
in
all
of
them
and
find
how
we
come
together,
because
those
those
opinions
are
there's
truth.
There
there's
truth
everywhere
it
and
and
there's
a
lot
of
hurt
everywhere
and
that
hurt
is
Justified,
but
if
we
continue
to
attack
each
other,
if
we
continue
to
demonize
each
other,
we're
not
getting
anywhere
and
so
I
I
think
that
we
as
leaders
in
this
community
and
I,
am
currently
channeling
councilor
Chavez,
as
as
leaders
in
this
community.
B
We
need
to
be
looking
at
how
we
have
this
conversation.
How
we
disagree
productively.
This
does
not
mean
that
we
are
all
going
to
agree.
This
does
not
mean
that
we
are
all
going
to
be
100
pleased
with
everything,
but
it
is
about.
How
do
we
disagree?
How
do
we
have
these
really
hard
conversations
without
demonizing
people
who
disagree
with
us
and
we
have
lost
that
art
in
this
country?
B
I,
don't
know
if
we
ever
had
it
I'm,
not
sure
I've
seen
it
in
you
know
my
lifetime,
where
I've,
really,
you
know,
been
paying
attention
to
these
things,
but
I
think
it's
gotten
worse
and
if
anything,
this
work
is
some
of
the
most
important
work
that
we
can
do
is
how
do
we
start
to
have
hard
conversations?
How
do
we
start
to
disagree
with
each
other?
We
cannot
like
what
the
other
person
is
saying
sure,
but
how
do
we
do
this
in
a
way
that
is
not
creating
these?
B
These
really
challenging
divisions
that
we
we
can't
seem
to
see
across
the
other
side.
We
need
to
do
across
our
political
parties
across
our
religions
across
our
cultures,
I
mean
it's
and
it's
hard
it.
It
is
by
no
means
cut
and
dry
and
it
is
by
no
means
easy
work,
but
usually
that's
how
you
know
it's
important
work,
so
I'm
going
to
really
challenge
all
of
us
to
be
to
be
very
conscious
of
how
we
are
thinking
about
these
things
and
I
will
stop
there
and
councilman
veteriel
to.
I
I
The
one
thing
I
will
say
is
that
I
wish
more
people
were
impassioned
about
the
conversation
we
just
had
in
the
presentations
we
just
had
in
this
committee
about
Sheltering
the
unhoused
and
the
issues
that
we're
dealing
with
there
and
people
would
be
more
impassionate
about
that,
because
those
are
the
issues
that
lead
to
divisions,
people
that
feel
and
experience
inequities
in
our
community
and
so
and
even
before
this
meeting
I
had
a
meeting
with
the
community
development
commission
and
we
were
presented
some
data
and
findings,
and
it
was
very
clear
that
what
we're
seeing
is
you
know,
people
being
displaced,
renters,
low-income,
renters,
being
displaced
and
being
replaced
by
higher
income
folks,
and
that
to
me
is
a
hard
reality
that
we're
dealing
with
so
I
wish.
D
D
You've
got
to
think
of
the
displacement.
That's
happened
not
only
within
the
last
five
years,
but
within
the
last
couple
decades
and
and
how
how
many
folks
have
lost
their
sense
of
community
their
sex
sense
of
connection
to
this
land,
because
it's
been
happening
not
only
for
decades
but
for
hundreds
of
years
and.
D
Spicy
people
so
passionate
it's
why
you
see
some
of
the
the
divisions
in
our
community
because
it
was
never
addressed
and
so
so
to
minimize
somebody's
feelings
when
whether
it's
the
Soldier's,
Monument
or
any
other
sense
of
belonging
in
our
community
that
gets
taken
away
from
somebody
I
think
it's
completely
unfair.
To
say
that
folks
don't
have
the
right
to
fill
the
way
that
they
do
to
compare
it
and
and
to
say
sure
the
top
link
of
the
Obelisk.
B
Is
I'm
sorry
point
of
order?
You
are
misrepresenting
my
words
and
I'm
and
I
will
just
I
will
not
stand
for
it.
I
did
not
say
in
any
way
shape
or
form
that
people
cannot
feel
what
I
mean.
I
said
that
exactly
that
people
should
feel
what
they
feel
that
we
need
to
address
their
feelings.
So
please
do
not
misrepresent
my
words.
B
B
D
Well
Madam,
chair
I
would
have
to
say
that,
from
my
perspective
and
I'm,
not
attributing
any
comments
to
anybody
here
with
this
from
my
perspective,
folks
have
a
right
to
fill
the
way
that
they
do
now
are
are.
Is
it
Justified,
that's
not
for
me
or
anybody
else
to
decide.
I
think
we
we,
as
leaders
and
lawmakers
of
the
community,
have
to
understand
that
it
is
our
job
to
understand
to
hear
all
voices,
and
it
is
very
evident
from
the
community
that
folks
feel
like
their
voices,
are
not
being
heard
on
many
different
angles.
D
And
so
I
I
would
hope
that,
as
we
move
forward
with
this
process,
we
do
everything
we
can
to
ensure
that
folks
feel
like
their
voice
is
being
heard.
I
know
that
there
was
comments
earlier
saying
that
there's
going
to
be
three
ways
to
participate.
Well,
those
are
the
same
three
ways
folks
can
participate
in
in
the
process.
D
G
D
B
Thank
you
so
much
counselor
and
thank
you
for
changing
your
statement
to
make
sure
that
they
are
coming
from
a
place
of
using
statements
of
your
opinions,
as
opposed
to
restating
mine.
I
am
concerned
that
my
statements
were
now
muddied
a
little
bit
so
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
I
was
clear.
B
I
think
my
direct
quote
was
there
are
validity,
there's
validity
on
all
sides
of
the
argument
and
that
what
my
concern
was
was
inflammatory
language
that
was
comparing
individuals
who
pulled
down
to
Obelisk
to
individuals
who
attempted
a
coup
on
our
government
and
we're
threatening
killing
people,
and
that
there
is
a
very
different
piece
there,
but
that
I
do
strongly
believe
that
this
is
about
how
we
have
these
really
hard
conversations,
and
we
talk
to
each
other
and
I
never
said
that
people
cannot
feel
the
way
that
they
feel
I.
B
Think
I
said
very
explicitly
that
they
can
that
they
should
and
that
it
is
understandable
that
people
have
these
feelings
and
that
there
is
there
is
reasons
and
there
is
depth
and
there
is
pain
and
that
all
of
those
things
come
from
real
Places,
come
from
True
places
and
that
what
we
need
to
move
away
from
is
not
people
not
feeling
those
telling
people
that
it's
not
okay
for
them
to
feel
them.
But
how
do
we
talk
about
our
feelings
and
our
perspectives
without
demonizing
others,
feelings
and
perspectives?
And
that
is
hard
work.
B
I
am
not
saying,
by
any
stretch
of
the
imagination,
that
it
is
easy,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
my
statements
were
clarified,
because
I
felt
that
they
were
muddied.
I
D
O
B
Moving
on,
we
have
Matters
from
staff
director,
Ochoa
or
Loretta.
Do
we
have
any
matters.
A
No
matters
Madam
chair,
no.
B
You
so
much
any
Matters
from
the
committee
councilor
Garcia.
Is
that
an
old
hand.