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does
in
favor,
say
aye
aye,
any
opposed
or
abstain
and
motion
carries
moving
on
to
approval
of
the
consent
agenda
and
now
Loretta.
What
has
been
pulled
this
evening,
all
right.
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Item
at
e
has
been
pulled
this
evening
request
for
full
approval
of
a
termination
agreement
with
the
card
that
discard
this
Labs
Inc
and
Associated
lead
up.
One
clawback
and
item
F
has
also
been
a
pulled:
a
consideration
of
Bill
number
2022,
an
ordinance
amending
section,
12-10-1.10
of
the
Union
traffic
ordinance
governing
mufflers
and
emission
control
devices.
Wonderful.
B
Thank
you
and
if
I
am
correct,
item
e
was
pulled
by
councilor
Michael,
Garcia
and
item
F
was
pulled
by
councilman
Renee
Villarreal
counselor,
Michael
Garcia
and
myself.
No.
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C
App,
yes,
yes
and
counselor,
Lee
Garcia,
pulled
item
app
and
councilor
Vera
Royale
pulled
items;
okay,.
C
B
B
Thank
you
so
much
moving
on
to
our
presentations
we're
going
to
5A.
This
is
leveraging
the
outdoor
recreation
movement,
the
opportunity
to
merge,
diverse
resources
into
a
sustainable
and
long-term
economic,
develop,
developed
driver
development,
driver
and
Market,
and
we
have
Eric
Ani
from
the
mpo
here
to
present
thanks
Eric.
G
So
again,
it's
good
to
see
everyone
tonight,
Eric
Connie
with
the
Santa
Fe
mpo
I'm,
Mr
Brown.
It
respectfully
asked
that
I
bring
some
to
your
attention.
G
B
Our
big
screen
is
doing
some
funky
stuff,
so
why
don't
you
keep
going
ahead
and
maybe
kind
of
cool?
It
is
actually
kind
of
cool
I.
Do
really
like
the
Supreme
pose
PowerPoint
over
us,
but
if
we
could
maybe
just
get
the
PowerPoint
up
there,
that
would
I
think
probably
be
more
conducive
for
the
governing
or
the
committee
members
to
see.
C
He
or
to
not
have
a
PowerPoint
presentation.
Oh
it's
right
here!
C
D
C
G
And
that
what
what
we
refer
to
here
is
the
latest
movement
is
part
and
parcel
of
years
and
years
of
work
and
where
the
state
of
New,
Mexico
and
Santa
Fe
county
is
today
and
I,
really
like
the
where
to
go
to
become
rich
1080
image.
There
I
came
to
Santa
Fe
to
become
rich
myself
and
in
in
a
slight
back
Transportation
geek
back
1880
is
when
the
first
train
rolled
in
to
Santa
Fe
and
as
a
result
of
having
the
train
for
that
1880s
late
late
1800.
G
It
was
an
early
part
of
the
century.
There
was
a
concerted
effort
to
bring
tourists
here
via
the
train
shifted
in
the
early
part
of
the
19th
century
to
the
automobile.
What
we
know
now
is
the
Department
of
Tourism
was
ultimately
gave
birth
to
the
Department
of
Transportation
back
at
the
turn
of
the
century,
as
a
result
of
the
desire
to
build
roads
to
bring
tourists
to
New
Mexico.
G
G
So
the
outdoor
recreation
division
as
these
key
tenants,
which
is
sustainable,
Economic,
Development
conservation
and
access,
Equity,
Education,
Health
and
Wellness
and
they've
also
backed
it
up
through
our
state
legislator.
Legislators
with
Federal
I'm,
sorry
State
funding
to
back
their
four
local
communities
via
this
Trail
brand.
So
right
here
is
a
2.74
million
in
funding
awarded,
but
as
far
as
I
understand
now
that
there's
approximately
a
seven
million
dollar
rolling
fund
for
communities
throughout
the
state,
I'd
like
to
focus
a
little
bit
about
and
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
both
access
and
Equity.
G
A
G
Very,
very
creative
of
them
to
leverage
Economic
Development
funds
for
the
rail
trail
under
the
auspices
in
a
good
way
of
outdoor
recreation.
It
was
a
nice
fit
Mr.
Brown
brought
that
to
our
attention
as
well.
Is
that
here
is
a
merger
of
what
would
be
a
traditional
funding
mechanism
for
trails
and
then
diversifying
that
funding.
E
G
C
G
G
Some
good
work
of
The
Economic
Development
Division
this
past
year.
This
is
a
spreadsheet
of
constituents,
stakeholders
that
have
direct
or
indirect
relationship
to
the
outdoor
recreation
industry,
including
municipalities,
counties,
state
government,
non-profits
and
businesses.
There's
approximately
a
list
of
300
here,
which
what
I
kind
of
want
to
do
is
emphasize
with
this
slide,
is
that
there
is
a
foundational
stakeholder
group
here,
compound
that
with
the
foundation
of
the
actual
resources
within
our
area
and.
G
G
Finer
point
on
it:
in
2015,
the
Rio
Grande
Trail
commission
law
was
enacted
and
there's
been
some
movement
to
move
toward
a
Statewide
Trail
connecting
Colorado
down
to
Texas.
Now
I
understand,
there's
some
challenges
to
this,
but
what
I
wanted
to
do
with
the
map
to
the
right
is
highlight
that
even
if
elements
of
betrayal
are
not
built-
and
some
are
the
city
and
the
county
are
well
suited
with
a
connection
already
with
the
county,
taking
advantage
of
federal
land
access
funds
in
2015
to
build
the
Yale
communal,
retracement
Trail.
G
G
Goes
back
to
the
original
slide
regarding
the
New,
Mexico
State,
outdoor
Recreations,
division,
commitment
to
access
and
equity
and
as
an
example
that
we
could
use
is
that
the
mpo
working
with
the
National
Park
Service
in
2021,
built
out
this
community
health
trial.
Excuse
me
Health
profile,
specifically
for
the
South
side
of
Santa
Fe
around
the
South
Meadows
Agua
Fria
area,
there's
some
very
detailed
analysis
for
the
purpose
of
really
understanding
the
socio-demographics
of
the
particular
area,
the
need
and
the
opportunity.
G
So
when
we
think
about
leveraging
and
taking
advantage
of
outdoor
recreation,
primarily
the
mto's
responsibility
is
transportation
and
looking
at
the
trails
as
a
commuter
Network
system
and
those
Trails
have
the
wonderful
opportunity
to
provide
Recreation
for
the
community.
So
in
the
health
profile
we
sort
of
dovetail
the
two
and
understanding
by
looking
at
the
demographics
and
I
really
want
to
do
reflect
on.
This
is,
if
you
think,
about
access
to
all
of
the
wonderful
outdoor
recreation
areas.
There
is
some
sort
of
equity
issue
that
we
should
probably
really
reflect
on
is.
C
G
A
G
It
is
in
the
periphery
a
lot
of
it.
You
have
to
actually
drive
to
to
get
there,
so
what
we're
looking
at
here
is
actually
putting
in
the
recreation
where
it's
most
needed,
which
is
already
well
planned
out,
which
is
a
gift
from
our
standing
on
the
shoulders
of
the
leaderships
before
leadership
before
us
to
presciently.
Think
about
the
river
trail
and
the
isakia
trail.
So
right
here
within
this
very
area
where
we
see
the
need,
will
be
the
isaki
trail
as
funded
today
and
will
eventually
be
the
extension
of
the
river
trail.
G
This
is
a
very
specific
example
of
how
to
leverage,
and
hopefully
the
outdoor
recreation
issues,
so
that
is
the
end
of
my
slide.
What
I
wanted
my
slideshow?
What
I
wanted
to
do
with
that
information
is
just
offer
it
up
to
the
city
for
you
to
consider.
In
terms
of
we
know
this
movement's
going
on,
as
of
today
in
Taos
is
the
starting
today
in
the
next
three
days.
Is
the
outdoor
recreation
Economic
Development
conference,
which
is
huge.
G
Projects
are
all
in
the
same
room
together
for
three
days
further
advance,
so
this
has
now
become,
and
it
really
really
a
positive
way,
a
systemic
sort
of
institutionalized,
in
short
time,
compared
to
when
I'm,
looking
at
the
slides
back
from
1880
that
the
state
of
New
Mexico
is
saying:
hey
we're
dead
serious
about
this
and
we're
going
to
put
some
money
where
our
mounts
are
so
in
terms
of
leveraging.
The
opportunities
are
great.
G
D
Chairman
may
I
add
some
a
little
bit
context
to
Mr
Ani's
presentation.
I
wanted
the
council
to
know
and
good
evening
to
everyone
that
the
outdoor
industry
is
one
of
our
key
industry
clusters
that
we're
looking
at
as
we
Diversified
economy
and
it's
broken
up
into
three
categories.
It's
working
with
the
manufacturing
experiences
and
Entrepreneurship,
and
so,
as
we
look
at
it
from
an
economic
development
and
a
Community
Development
standpoint,
we
will
look
at
it
in
those
sub
categories
into
our
point
about
the
conference
and
how
it's
happening.
That's
the
same
way.
D
They're
doing
it
in
the
same
way
that
the
state
Economic
Development
Department,
is
looking
at
it
too.
So
manufacturing
experiences
and
Entrepreneurship
is
how
we
will
look
at
outdoor
industry
I'm
moving
forward
and
we
Sarah
cassett
was
at
our
last
convening
and
we're
hoping
to
have
one
at
the
at
the
beginning
of
the
new
year
in
the
snow,
but
we're
looking
at
from
that
standpoint
and,
secondly,
I
wanted
to
say
he
had
a
slide
of
a
beautiful
camper
in
on
the
screen.
D
And
that
actually
is
a
company
called
Earth
traveler
and
they
recently
received
leader
funding
for
their
growth
in
Casey,
double
who's,
that
the
room
here
is
working
with
them
to
with
the
state,
unless
we
figure
out
the
lead
and
jobs
training
for
that
company,
we're
very
excited
about
them.
Young
couple,
immigrants
actually
from
Puerto,
Rico
or
Naperville
dementia,
Republic
I-
think
that's
a
blue
care,
so
I'm
very,
very
exciting,
so
I
want
to
just
add
that
context
for
our
outdoor
industry.
So
thank
you.
Mr
Ronnie.
F
You,
madam
chair,
thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
all
your
work
around
Equity
and
as
it
relates
to
not
just
Transportation
but
Recreation
Eric
you're,
always
very
keen
on
that,
and
your
staff
and
mpo
to
be
able
to
incorporate
Equity
into
all
the
you
know,
plans
that
we
have
for
the
city
and
how
we
look
at
multimodalism.
F
So
I
I
appreciate
that
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
was
when
this
came
about
for
the
state
with
the
outdoor
Equity
Fund
and
thanks
to
actually
giving
credit
to
representative
Angelica
Rubio
who's,
spearheaded
that
with
there's
some
other
folks
there's
a
group
of
folks,
but
she
basically
spearheaded
that
I
was
really
appreciative
because
not
everybody
was
sold
on
it
and
it
took
a
while
for
them
to
Express
the
importance
and
why
it's
important
for
New
Mexico,
but
also
for
our
local
population
and
being
able
to
have
access
to
the
outdoors
and
so
I'm
really
appreciative
of
her
and
actually
Gabe.
F
Vasquez
was
part
of
that
as
well.
I,
don't
really
have
any
questions
other
than
what
rich
said
about
the
teardrop.
If
there's,
if
they
need
us
to
test
it,
I'm
willing
to
try
it,
it
looks
amazing.
F
I
probably
can't
afford
it,
but
if
they
need
someone
to
test
out
their
models,
I'd
be
happy
to
do
so
and
just
excited,
for
you
know
any
opportunity
that
we
can.
The
funding
that
can
support
Equity
I
know
we
partner
with
the
Santa
Fe
conservation
trust
and
they
do
some
outdoor
activities.
That's
really
trying
to
get
people
outdoors
and
out
walking
so
I
know
we've
partnered
with
them
for
that
and
then
so
I
don't
know.
G
Members
of
community
it
would,
there
are
and
I've
been
thinking
about
it
in
terms
of
whether
it's
our
our
friends
with
Earth
care
or
others.
G
Around
Community
engagement
and
the
environment
as
one
example
to
maybe
figure
out
ways
to
further
Empower
them,
the
mpo
successfully
hired
them
to
do
some
public
engagement
that
did
reflect
on
the
outdoors
and
experiencing
moving
through
space.
So
that's
one
example:
I
think
the
opportunity
to
here
is
to
look
through
this
lens
of
recreation
and
especially
with
equity
and
saying
what
is
it
for
you
as
a
community
and
asking
the
question
to
come
from
them?
What
is
the
recreation?
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
appreciate
the
the
presentation
looking
at
the
amount
of
I
guess,
people
who
invest
and
I
like
that,
the
chart
we
couldn't
really
tell
who
they
were
but
Santa
Fe
ski
Basin
was
up.
There.
I
saw
it
and
small,
so
many
different
organizations,
entities,
people
who
have
would
have
interest
and
access
to
exactly
what
you
presented
on
in
regards
to
Trails
outdoor
activities
and
so
on.
E
Collaborating
obviously
with
the
county
is
huge,
collaborating
with
Parks
collaborating
with
even
the
state
I.
Don't
know.
How
is
that?
E
How
does
that
work
with
with
which
we're
doing
here
and
creating
connectivity
for
people
who
want
to
utilize
these
Trails
all
the
way
to
the
ski
base
anymore,
so
on
and
so
forth
and
I
I
guess
it's
just
maybe
not
pertaining
to
this
wheelhouse,
but
maybe
it
is
because
of
all
of
the
different
entities
that
are
contribute
bring
people
in
for
whether
it's
hiking
biking,
usually
walking
or
even
just
using
trails,
to
connect
to
certain
areas
that
don't
have
vehicles.
I
guess
you
could
say.
G
As
our
fellow
communities
to
the
north
and
to
the
South,
the
city
of
Farmington
is
a
good
example
of
their
boom
and
bust
economy.
So
I
had
the
opportunity
to
work
in
the
four
corners
for
most
of
my
career,
very
familiar
with
Farmington
in
at
the
approximate
same
time,
2017-18-19
Farmington,
in
collaboration
with
this
effort,
to
build
the
division.
As
we
see
it
today
really
took
a
leap
knowing
the
dependence
they
are
on,
the
combustible
energy
in
terms
of
outdoor
recreation,
and
they
took
a
comprehensive
approach.
G
Looking
at
really
investing
and
did
so
in
the
river
trail,
expanded
it
significantly,
they
have
what's
called
Lake
Farmington,
which
is
the
reservoir,
is
actually
making
it
a
destination.
These
are
things
that
just
a
few
years
ago,
would
have
been
unheard
of
in
my
time,
and
then
something
really
goes
to
my
heart
is
back
in
the
day
in
the
early
2000s,
there
is
a
railroad
that
that
runs
from
ran
from
Durango
all
the
way
to
from
it's
still
intact
between
Aztec
and
farming.
G
A
G
It
seems
so
impossible
now
it's
reality
because
of
the
leadership
that
they
saw,
that
they
needed
to
diversify
their
portfolio
or
effectively,
and
so
that
is
a
great
example
of
just
one
Community.
Also
the
New
Mexico
Main
Street
communities
are
using
this
to
Leverage
their
assets.
Santa
Rosa
may
be
being
a
good
one
in
terms
of
the
Blue
Lake
and
the
whole
lakes
or
whatever
it's
called,
and
then
really
leveraging
These
funds
to
bring
tourism
and
Recreation
to
their
city.
G
G
E
Yes,
and
thank
you
again
just
I
know
they're
probably
is
a
lot
of
collaboration
between
the
different
entities
too.
Work
together
and
I
think
that's
the
biggest
concern
that
some
may
not
want
something
going
through
their
property
or
easements
and
so
on,
and
so.
E
G
B
Thank
you
anything
else
from
any
other
members
of
the
committee
thanks
so
much
Eric
I,
just
one
thought
that
kind
of
came
to
mind
is
we're.
B
Looking
at
the
you
know,
the
outdoor
recreation
within
the
urban
area,
and
sometimes
when
we
think
about
you,
know
Trails
as
a
means
of
transportation,
we're
not
just
during
the
beautification
of
the
trail
and
I
think
that
there's
kind
of
a
real
opportunity
with
arts
and
culture,
as
well
as
with
the
tree
smart
Santa,
Fe
project
that
is
we're
building
out
these
Trails
of
how
do
we
kind
of
bring
the
outdoor
aspect
of
them
to
them?
If
that
makes
sense,
I
mean
obviously
they're
outdoor.
But
how
do
we
really
make
it?
B
You
know
so
much
of
being
in
the
Outdoor.
Experience
is
just
beautiful
place
that
you
get
to.
You
know,
go
and
exercise
and
get
your
body
moving,
and
that
we
can
do
some
really
interesting
stuff,
even
within
the
urban
area,
around
our
trails
to
still
get
that
beautification
piece.
It's
not
exactly
the
same
as
the
mountains,
but
it
sounds
like
there's.
Probably
some
opportunity
has
that.
Have
we
been
exploring
that
as
much
you
know
via
either
this
project
or
mpo
or
Main,
Street
or
anywhere
yeah.
G
In
my
experience
here,
our
work
with
the
local
Arts
Council
and
the
resources
and
capacity
they
have
the.
A
G
Parks
plan
for
the
south
side
as
an
example,
but
that
just
underscores
that
there's
a
tremendous
amount
of
conversation,
let's
give
Saturday
conservation
trusts,
some
do
credit
and
all
the
good
work
they
do
in
their
Partnerships,
not
with
just
City
and
us,
but
with
local
artists,
schools
and
so
forth
as
an
example
and
there's
there's
so
many
others
out
there
that
are
doing
this
good
work
with
artists
to
to
operationalize.
B
Well
great
well,
hopefully
also
we'll
discuss
that
in
NPO,
because
I
know
that
that's
something
that
I'd
really
be
interested
in
hearing
more
as
we
discuss
the
trails
and
yeah.
Thank
you
again
so
much
for
being
here
and
I
will
just
say.
B
If
anybody
else
is
interested,
we
do
bring
this
topic
to
edac,
not
regularly
what
like
quarterly-ish
at
this
point
rich
and
so,
if
you're
interested
in
learning
more
we've
already
had
a
couple
presentations
in
edac
and
I
believe
that
we'll
be
getting
an
update
again
in
another
few
months,
so
the
heads
up
everyone
there
thank
you
I'm,
getting
my
agenda
back
up
all
right.
So
moving
on
to
our
next
presentation,
we
have
a
Midtown
progress
report
updates
on
Midtown
Redevelopment
plans.
B
We
have
Daniel
Hernandez
here
in
person
as
well
as
rich
brown
and
I,
see
Lee
in
the
audience.
I.
Imagine
he'll
figure
it
at
some
point,
so
I
will
hand
it
over
to
you.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee
I'm
just
going
to
do
an
introduction
and
have
Daniel
speak
to
the
presentation
and,
first
and
foremost,
the
appreciation
today
is
really
just
an
overview
of
a
progress.
Because
of
this
body
is
quasi
judicial.
We
are
not
going
to
go
into
any
details
around
the
application
for
rezoning
and
the
development
plan,
but
it's
just
a
general
progress
report
update
with
timelines,
so
I
just
wanted
to
lay
that
out
there
before
they
came
to
the
presentation.
D
So,
as
you
know,
we
have
been
working
on
this
development
plan
at
Midtown
since
about
2018
when
the
land
was
transferred
over
to
the
city
and
we've
had
a
series
of
engagements
and
charettes
and
rfpis
and
input
sessions
and
lots
of
staff,
and
we
are
now
in
this
place
of
2022
and
with
the
approved
resolutions,
are
moving
forward
with
a
couple
of
action
items
that
include
rezoning
that
include
building
rfps.
D
That
include
infrastructure
that
include
a
library
of
dates
and
reuse
of
buildings,
Etc
and
so
Daniel
will
sort
of
speak
to
the
overview
of
that.
Additionally,
we
will
speak
to
the
community
development
plan
and
the
land
development
plan
that
merge
together,
as
we
come
to
the
Planning
Commission
with
our
application.
So
with
that
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Daniel
Hernandez,
our
Midtown
project,
Redevelopment
manager,
to
take
it
from
there
and
then
we
would
like
to
add
be
great.
So
Daniel.
I
Good
evening,
like
rich
said,
this
is
really
just
a
progress
report.
It's
not
very
technical
in
nature,
but
I
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
questions
that
are
zooming
around
in
the
air
and
so
I
think
we'd
be
prepared.
There's
the
project
team
is
here.
Actually
we
can
introduce
them
that
there's
questions
that
I
can't
answer
but
again.
A
I
Progress
report
bringing
you
up
to
date
on
what's
going
on
right
now,
so
as
background
I
think
one
of
the
things
we
need
your
help
in
in
being
able
to
communicate
to
the
public
and
also,
as
you
begin
to
hear,
the
plans
as
governing
body
as
well
as
this
committee
and
and
the
Planning
Commission,
is
that
there
are
two
plans
that
will
be
presented
to
the
governing
body
in
November,
the
first
one
and
we
call
it
we're
calling
them
read
the
Midtown
Redevelopment
plans,
they're
complementary
plans
that
will
work
together,
I'll
review
them
in
a
little
while,
but
we
want
to
communicate
to
the
public
that
these
plans
work
together
for
the
Redevelopment
of
Midtown.
I
Again,
I'll
explain
them
a
little
bit
a
little
while,
but
I
I
think
that
there's
some
misunderstanding
around
it.
So
if
you
have
questions
about
that,
please
ask
we'll
try
to
clarify
that
tonight.
So
the
first
piece
of
it
is
the
land
development
plan
and
the
Planning
Commission
will
be
hearing
The
Master
about
the
Land
Development
contains
the
master
plan,
zoning
ordinance
for
the
zoning
and
land
use
of
the
Midtown
site.
I
It
will
also
adjust
some
language
within
the
link
overlay
and
then
it
will
provide
the
the
language
for
the
ordinance,
so
that
includes
the
Midtown
master
plan
and
Zoning.
So
all
of
that,
if
you
heard
the
Planning
Commission,
it
will
later
come
to
you
for
final
ratification.
Again,
if
you
think
about
the
land
development
plan
is
land
here
and
it
it
dictates,
it
regulates.
What
can
actually
happen
on
that
piece
of
plan
right
now.
The
vision
that
we
have
as
a
community
in
the
city
is,
it
will
be
a
mixed
income.
I
District,
an
urban
area,
Lively
commercial
residential
jobs,
life
happening
at
Midtown.
It
can't
accommodate
that
with
the
current
land
use,
so
we
have
to
change
the
Zoning
for
it
and
then
not
only
is
the
land
use
changing,
but
then,
where
will
development
happen
so
Street
networks
open
space,
where
buildings
will
be
what
buildings
that
are
currently
existing
there
will
remain.
All
of
that
is
regulated
within
the
master
plan
that
you
will
be
reviewing.
I
The
other
development
Redevelopment
plan
is
the
community
development
plan.
Now
this
was
the
piece
that
people
like
I,
don't
really
care
about:
curb
Heights
or
Street
widths
or
whatever,
what
the
land?
You
know
the
design
guidelines
for
the
Midtown
area
or
site,
but
I
want
to
know
our
job
is
going
to
be
created
and
are
they
going
to
be
for
me?
Is
there
going
to
be
housing
and
is
it
going
to
be
affordable
to
me?
I
Is
there
programmable
open
space
and
what
kind
of
programming?
What
is
the
priority
around?
That
programming,
arts
and
culture,
is
really
a
driving
force
for
Midtown?
How
is
that
incorporated
into
both
development,
as
well
as
the
programming
of
public
spaces
and
tenancy
of
future
buildings
at
Midtown
and
what's
happening
with
the
film,
and
will
there
be
career
paths
in
film,
as
the
proposals
include
the
expansion
of
filament
Midtown,
so
these
more
Community
Development,
more
policy
oriented,
not
necessarily
the
regulation
of
land,
but
what
happens
on
that
land
that
benefits
communities?
I
So
this
all
started
and
it
continues
as
sinking
of
Midtown
as
the
center
of
the
city.
We
know
that
a
lot
of
the
demographic
and
growth
of
the
city
moved
towards
the
South
and
and
encompasses
now
the
the
Midtown
District.
It
really
is
the
center
of
the
city,
the
city
council,
the
governing
body.
I
The
planning
department
passed
some
major
resolutions
around
and
ordinances
around
the
link
area,
the
Saint
Mike's
Corridor
and
Cerrillos
Corridor
to
begin
thinking
about
a
more
walkable
City,
a
a
place
that
had
smaller
blocks,
feelings
that
face
the
street
so
that
there
was
more
pedestrian
friendly
environment.
Those
were
the
groundings
for
how
Midtown
was
envisioned
and
those
are
the
things
that
continue
to
drive
the
planning
at
Midtown.
I
So
designing
for
health
was
also
a
major
focus
in
impetus
for
the
creation
of
the
master
plan.
So.
C
I
I
I
talked
about
walkability.
We
designed,
then
the
blocks
for
walkability
bikeability.
If
you
can
only
remember
and
Eric,
knows
this
better
than
anyone,
but
you
know
the
experience
of
The,
Pedestrian
or
bike.
If
you're
a
person
on
a
bike,
the
dimensions
of
blocks
are
really
important.
You
might
be
willing
to
walk
one
or
two
blocks
if
their
Dimension
and
you
feel
like.
Okay,
I've
walked
one
or
two
blocks,
but
if
you
see
this
block
is
like
you
know,
hundreds
of
feet,
you're,
probably
less
likely
to
walk
that
block.
I
So
the
design
of
the
blocks
really
were
designed
to
enhance
the
experience
and
and
facilitate
walkability
in
the
neighborhood,
also
the
access
to
Transit
facilities.
One
of
the
things
that
we
use
is
guiding
a
lot
of
the
decisions
in
the
planning
process
was
the
U.S
U.S
Green
Building
Council
neighborhood
development
guidelines
that
their
their
design
guidelines
and
one
of
them
was
to
see
if
Midtown
actually
had
access
distance
wise
to
existing
Transit
stops.
I
I
I
think
I've
said
this
before,
but
I'll
say
it
again
tonight
that
the
city
is
a
gold
City
within
the
US
GBC,
the
U.S
Green
Building
council's
City
program
and
as
a
gold
City
there's
one
major
piece
that
they
couldn't
qualify,
which
was
a
dense
area
that
was
in
close
proximity
to
a
large
Transit
node.
The
Midtown
is
allowing
the
city
now
to
maintain
its
Gold
city
status,
and
so
we
worked
with
the
sustainability
office
and
making
sure
that
they
now
can
confirm
with
the
usgpc
that
they
qualify
for
that
credit.
I
Universal
Design
was
also
a
major
impetus
in
thinking
about
the
the
design.
So
the
design
guidelines
talk
about
Street
patterns
and
the
ways
that
pedestrians
will
accommodate,
not
just
a
walk,
a
person
who
is
fully
able,
but
people
from
different
ages
and
and
abilities
to
manage
in
the
urban
environment.
I
I
So
on
your
left,
you
see
just
different
things
that
cities
use
to
ensure
that
there
are
different
there's
opportunities
for
housing,
affordability
and,
first
and
foremost,
is
the
inclusionary
zoning,
which
is
a
land
use.
It
is
a
zoning
ordinance
that
the
city
already
has.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
it
gets
applied
there
and
I
know,
there's
ongoing
discussions
and
I'm
sure
we'll
continue
to
have
them,
but
because
we're
in
control
of
the
land.
I
We're
going
to
also
set
aside
as
part
of
achieving
that
30
Parcels
for
100,
affordable
housing.
Development
means
that
if
you're
in
a
portable
housing
developer-
and
we
want
to
see
affordable
housing
covers,
participate,
participate
in
Midtown
the
easiest
way
to
access
very
competitive
Financial
subsidies
to
build,
affordable
housing
is
to
actually
have
a
site,
site,
control
and
and
being
able
to
build
then
affordable
housing
on
that
site.
The
the
there's
you
know
like
any
Finance
competitive
financing
programs
there's
different
check
marks.
I
So
you
know
if
the
city
says
we're
you
know
here:
we've
set
a
minimum
land
value
for
the
development,
affordable
housing.
You
get
a
check
mark
because
there's
a
very
stiff
competition
for
these
Parcels,
so
we'll
be
working,
affordable,
housing
developers
to
make
sure
that
their
applications
for
low-income
housing,
tax
credits
are
are
very
competitive
because
they're
competing
against
other
projects
in
the
state.
I
The
other
one
is
diverse.
10
years
we
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
rental
that
there's
homeownership
and
we're
going
to
encourage,
particularly
in
the
home
ownership,
rfps
structures,
around
Community,
Trust,
land,
trust
and
we'll
see
and
hope
that
we'll
get
responses
back
that
facilitate
Community
lantress,
particularly
with
home
ownership
projects.
I
We
want
to
also
have
live
work
units
so
that
people
who
may
have
a
small
business,
whether
you're,
a
massage
therapist,
a
bookkeeper
or
an
architect
or
whatever
your
you
know,
your
business
might
be
that
you
can
actually
work
at
home
so
that
you're
not
having
to
rent
Market
rates
commercial
space
in
outside,
but
you're
able
to
actually
use
your
home
or
as
a
live
work
unit.
So
the
living
space
is
is
separated
from
the
workspace.
I
But
it's
all
within
the
same
unit,
and
all
of
this
is
really
trying
to
describe
the
housing
choices
that
we
want
to
propose
at
Midtown
to
basically
expand
the
housing
choices.
We
hear
from
the
public
a
lot
like
well
I'm,
just
a
single
person
and
I
all
I
can
find,
is
xx
and
x
and
we're
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
full
spectrum
of
houses.
Housing
types
at
Midtown
to
address
the
needs
of
different
household
types
yeah,
so
I
I
here
is
I.
I
I
Office
Hospitality
film
expansion
is
probably
the
first
one
that
everyone's
you
know
wanting
to
see,
move
forward.
The
film
expansion
piece
of
item,
but
all
of
these
are
elements
that
we've
heard
from
the
public
and
they
started
really
with
the
you
know
way
back
in
2018
with
the
Midtown
planning
guidelines,
the
priority
uses
that
people
want
to
see.
I
I
Again,
the
open
space
areas
here
and
I
would
also
want
to
make
it
clear
that
does
not
include
the
adjacent
Park
that
exists
right
now
and
and
a
lot
of
the
Greenways
that
you
see
proposed
as
part
of
Midtown
are
part
of
not
only
programmable
recreational
space.
But
it's
also
part
of
the
water
retention
and
detention
system.
Of
course,
green
infrastructure
at
Midtown
as
well.
I
I
I
Most
of
you
know
that
we
had
local
community
organizations
manage
and
Implement
a
public
engagement
process
that
ended
in
a
report
that
is
on
the
on
the
Midtown
website
and
I'll
come
up
next,
but
we
part
of
that
was
to
we
were
asked
by
the
same
Community
organizations
to
establish
a
stipend
program
to
continue
after
the
report
was
completed
so
that
they
can
continue
public
engagement
work
and
that
was
managed
out
of
the
office
of
economic
development
that
it's
wrapping
up.
I.
I
C
I
Here
is
here
are
the
deadlines,
the
the
timelines
for
approvals?
Again
we
started
the
land
development
plan
approval's
process
in
July,
July
14th.
We
have
the
early
neighborhood
identification
meeting.
We.
C
D
I
I
Will
be
the
final
body
to
review
and
vote
on
the
CUNY
development
plan?
So
again,
the
these
two
plans
together
called
the
Midtown
Redevelopment
plans
on
October
12th,
and
then
the
governing
body
hearing
on
November
9th
is
when
you
will
hear
the
final
two
plans
coming
together
and
have
a
chance
again.
If
you
haven't
visited
the
website,
the
website
is
still
up.
It's
still
receiving
additional
documents
and
reports
and
tonight's
presentation
will
go
on
it
as
well.
B
Thank
you
so
much
thank
you
for
being
here
and
in
person.
We
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
Any
questions,
comments
from
members
of
the
committee.
I
H
A
In
the
presentation
you
mentioned
that
there
was
going
to
be
a
proposed
amendment
to
the
link
overlay.
Can
you
give
a
little
more
clarification
around
what
that
is.
I
I
think
we
can
say
what
it
is:
what
the
yeah
a
general
description,
but.
H
Good
evening,
counselors
apologies
for
my
casual
appearance,
the
Link
tech.
The
the
way
zoning
and
overlays
work
is
that
the
underlying
zoning
has
a
certain
certain
standards
to
it
that
you
build
and
develop
to
use
standards.
Etc
then
you
add
an
overlay
on
top
of
that
and
that
gives
additional
standards
or
sometimes
restrictions
and
so
forth.
The
Midtown
master
plan
or
land
development
plan
has
its
own
standards,
still
it's
more
of
a
form-based
code
and
is
intended
to
be
more
Compact
and
so
forth.
H
So
the
text
Amendment
to
the
the
link
overlay
really
is
just
to
acknowledge
that
Midtown
will
have
its
own
standards
that
mesh
with
the
underlying
zoning
mesh
with
the
overlay
itself,
but
then
here's
another
layer
of
of
standards
slightly
restricted
uses.
Actually
so
really
it's
just
to
allow
the
link
to
accommodate
the
the
specific
standards
of
Midtown
and.
A
When
you
say
Midtown
you're
talking
about
the
campus
property,
because
the
overlay
talks
about
the
Midtown
being
the
campus
property
in
the
corridor
up
and
down
St
Michael's
I
just
want
to
make
sure.
Yes,
the
public
is
well
aware
when
we
say
Midtown
we're
talking
solely
about
the
the
campus
properties.
A
Thank
you
I
appreciate
that
the
next
question
I
have
and
again
I,
don't
know
if
I
can
get
a
response
to
that
Mr
Hernandez.
A
But
if
definitely
would
like
to
get
these
numbers
broken
down
for
me,
because
in
the
presentation
it
stated
there's
going
to
be
1100
homes
developed
and
if
I
can
get
a
breakdown
of
how
we
arrived
at,
that
number,
it'd
be
fantastic
and
and
then,
if
we
can
even
go
more
micro
in
regards
to
what
does
the
breakdown
look
like
for
availability
of
rent
versus
availability
for
purchase
for
home
ownership
opportunities?
And
so
you.
I
Sure
I
can
get
you
that
in
just
so
you
know
one
of
my
first
references
is
going
to
be.
The
community
development
plan
actually
goes
into
this
slide
a
little
bit
deeper.
It
articulates
the
projected
amount
of
rental,
homeowner
and
I.
I
A
Okay,
fantastic
and
then
the
last
question
and
I.
Don't
know
if
you
have
this
number,
but
you
spoke
earlier
that
there's
going
to
be
partials
where
there's
a
hundred
or
four
hundred
percent
affordable
units.
If
we
can
get
the
numbers.
A
A
I
A
No,
no,
no
perfectly
fine,
just
just
wondering,
because
I
know:
Monday
we
had
Finance,
which
was
a
more
Financial
Focus.
Today
is
a
little
more
overview
yeah
next
week.
That's
perfectly
fine,
I'm,
happy
with
that,
and
then
I
know
the
day
after
the
governing
body,
Mr
Longston
will
be
visiting
bpac
with
us
to
talk
more
about
the
concerns.
Bpac
and
Mr
Audi
had
around
some
of
the
bike
and
modal
and
pedestrian
proposals,
but
that's
a
different
day
different
conversation
with
that.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation
again
tonight.
A
I
I
really
appreciate
it
and
look
forward
to
seeing
you
all
again
next
week.
Thank
you
thanks
very
much.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank.
C
You
so
much
councilor
Lee
Garcia.
Thank.
E
You,
madam
chair,
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
Can
you
tell
me
a
question
that
kind
of
was
curious
about
and
wanting
to
know
aside.
You
know
once
this
is
all
developed
out
and
it
was
a
little
bit
of
discussion,
dream
Finance
about
return
on
our
investment
and
when
it's
all
said
and
done,
I
guess
what
will
be
some
of
the
major
economic
drivers
to
the
city
in
regards
to
attraction.
E
People
coming
to
our
city
to
enjoy
this
beautiful,
great
piece
of
property
centered
in
basically
in
the
center
of
our
city
now
and
so
yeah,
just
a
little
bit
of
insight
on
that.
If
you
could
elaborate.
I
I
I
wow,
it's
a
great
question
and
it's
so
hard
to
answer
on
one
level,
the
main
reason
being
that,
as
you
know,
the
commercial
markets
are
so
unknown
right
now,
post
code.
Well,
so
we're
not
postcode,
but
because
of
covet
and
I
mean
it
happened
with
both
the
financial
markets
as
well
as
just
the
commercial
tenancy
markets.
So
we
had
anticipated.
I
You
know
some
major
development
early
on
that
there
would
be
developers
interested
in
doing
some
commercial
space,
but
that's
not
so
strong
right
now,
but
that
may
you
know
that
may
change
in
three
years
from
now
two
years
from
now,
but
we
do
know
right
now
that
one
of
the
major
economic
drivers
will
be
the
expansion
of
the
film
lot.
The
studio
the
production
lot
and
those
are
that
are
people
will
most
likely
go
out
this
month
at
the
beginning
of
next
month.
I
So
we
think
that'll
be
an
economic
driver.
I
think
the
other
one
is
going
to
be
just
general
GRT,
because
you
know
in
our
conversations
with
some
of
the
Jason
Property
Owners
they're
excited
about
the
connections
that
they
want
to
make
in
the
future
because
they
see
a
whole
new
market
here.
So
you
know
those
the
the
the
the
commercial
activity
that
you
see
along
both
St
Mike's
and
Surya
serve.
I
You
know:
they're,
there's
older
than
seven
years
old,
which
is
usually
the
investment
period
for
that
kind
of
commercial
development,
I
think
an
injection
of
new
markets.
You
know
new
people
visiting
and
accessing
their
their
retail
establishments
are
going
to
actually
increase
their
strength
at
commercially
and
financially
so
again,
I
think
you
know
we'll
see
better
stronger
grts
coming
out
of
this
general
area,
once
Midtown
has
a
light
and
more
and
a
more
a
bigger
Marketplace,
meaning
more
people
there
to
actually
spend
money.
I
So
I
think
those
are
probably
the
strongest
economic
drivers.
Madam.
D
Chair
counselor
I
mean
Council
Casey
can
I
add
more
to
that.
So
there's
a
there's
a
couple
other
layers
from
my
standpoint
from
an
economic
development
standpoint,
one
in
particular,
is
that
we
try
to
focus
on
boomerangs.
We
want
the
children
who
move
away
to
come
back.
They
need
housing.
So
if
we're
building
housing,
that's
attainable.
D
It's
another
way
where
we
bring
them
into
the
City
and
and
of
course,
have
an
economic
impact
from
a
from
their
consumer
spend
additionally,
the
he
talked
about
the
Film
Production
Studios,
but
also
we're
looking
at
Innovation
and
Entrepreneurship.
So
that's
going
to
bring
small
and
medium-sized
businesses
to
the
the
parcel
District
that'll
help
bring
more
jobs
to
the
to
the
area
which
will
be
spent
in
the
thousand
foot
radius
of
where
we
are.
D
Additionally,
we
look
at
the
Performing
Arts
Theater
and
the
visual
arts
center
as
a
way
to
expand
our
tourism
map.
So
Mr
Audi
talked
earlier
about
the
outdoor
industry.
D
So
there
are
all
these
different
layers
that
we
see
that
provide
economic
impact,
as
this
is
being
built
out
from
from
a
sample
of
housing,
commercial
convenience,
then
bringing
in
jobs
and
Innovation
from
the
standpoint
of
just
using
the
housing
and
the
existing
buildings
that
are
there.
D
One
more
thing
I
want
to
add,
so
we
I
get
a
lot
of
calls
from
people
who
want
to
establish
some
idea
in
Santa,
Fe
and
I've
recently
received
a
call
from
Lionel
who
is
looking
at
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
build
a
postgraduate
University
program.
It's
like
an
executive
program
and
they
want
to
bring
postgraduates
around
the
country.
They'd
love
to
have
it
in
Santa
Fe,
because
there's
no
place
left
in
Los
Alamos
and
then
they
they
asked
about.
D
Is
there
a
way
to
bring
that
sort
of
thing
into
Santa,
Fe
and
what's
exciting
about
that?
Is
that
we're
talking
about
potential
entrepreneurs,
even
if
10
of
a
potential
300
students
who
come
to
these
executive
programs
stays
and
builds
a
business
from
here
would
be
actually
exciting?
And
if
it's
in
the
center
of
the
city
would
be
a
very
cool
idea
that
we
could
have
looking
at
some
of
the
buildings
that
development
we
have
so
I
wanted
to
add
that
to
them.
E
Thank
you
director.
You
know,
I,
think
that
a
lot
of
this
will,
through
your
work
in
in
the
identifying
areas
of
the
the
plan,
the
general
plan
of
that
area,
specifically
in
regards
to
what
it's
going
to
be
developed.
E
How
it
can
develop
you
know
and
and
housing
is,
is
a
really
big
aspect
of
this,
because
obviously
we
will
be
able
to
provide,
hopefully
a
good,
affordable
units
for
people
to
purchase
and
or
rent
and
or
lease
I
guess,
but
at
the
same
time
developing
it
into
an
area
where
it's
an
attraction
where
people
can
come
and
and
enjoy
some
time
in
the
outdoors
or
a
small
Market,
that's
been
built
or
so
on
and
so
forth
and
I
think
those
are
hopefully
not
missed
opportunities,
just
focusing
on
housing.
E
Looking
at
the
film
industry
another
you
know
we
talked
about
that
yesterday,
director
Brown
and
how
that
brings
economic
money,
GRT
and
so
on,
notorious
so
again,.
B
E
A
few
of
my
comments,
thank
you
for
the
presentation
on
this
and
looking
forward
to
seeing
what
the
outcome
is
be
going
to
be
here.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
Mr
Hernandez
for
your
presentation.
I
I
just
had
a
couple
follow-up
questions
from
the
from
what
you
presented
when
you
talked
about
diverse
10
years,
and
you
said
rentals
home
ownership,
opportunities
and
and
land
trust
options.
So
the
way
you
describe
that
does
that
mean
that
there
would
be
an
RFQ
related
to
the
land,
trust
Community,
Land
Trust,
yes,
model.
Yes,
do
you
set
parameters
for
that
or
do
you
just
describe
Loosely
a
land
trust
model,
and
then
let
people
you
know,
propose
potential
ideas,
yeah.
I
We're
still
receiving
information
about
you
know
how
people
would
want
to
see.
Elantra
set
up,
I
think
that
there
are
particular
goals
around
that
right.
Now
that
we've
seen
practice
around
the
country,
successful
Community,
Land,
Trust
models,
particularly
around
home
ownership.
I
The
ones
that
survived
this
and
have
been
the
strongest
are
ones
that
you
know
have
they
they're
able
to
expand
their
portfolio,
and
so
we
want
to
encourage
the
proposals
that
actually
have
a
strong
business
plan
on.
If
this
is
their
first
project,
what
is
their
business
plan
for
developing
additional
Parcels
in
adjacent
neighborhoods
that
could
use
long-term
affordability
in
their
home
ownership
neighborhood?
I
We,
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
the
community
development
plan
talks
about
and
I
encourage
you
to
all
of
you
to
check
it
out,
but
it
talks
about
the
stabilization
planning
process
for
the
adjacent
neighborhoods
and
one
of
the
things
it
just
lists.
A
series
of
questions
it
may
be
might
be
considered
within
that.
But
again
is
development
of
vacant
and
or
underutilized
Parcels.
For
you
know,
interest
models.
F
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
You
said
to
expand
housing
choices.
Was
that
the
same
thing
as
diverse
10
years.
I
F
All
right,
and
so
the
commercial
section,
talked
about
different
potential
ideas
and
then
actual
script
square
footage.
So
I'm
curious,
the
ones
that
were
listed
and
you
actually
have
specific
square
footage
bless.
You
I,
don't
know
who's
sneezing.
Oh
there
we
go.
Oh,
should
we
put
on
our
map
with
that
from
inquiries
and
interest,
or
how
did
you
all
decide
because
you
know
Hospitality
lodging
was
a
new
idea
that
I
don't
remember
from
the
past,
but
I'm
just
curious
out
of
those
listed.
F
We
had
talked
about
retail,
just
kind
of
generally
and
now
it's
and
also
institutional
and
office.
So
how
did
you
all
arrive
at
the
square
footages
and
if
you
could
just
say
more
I
guess
I
was
just
thought
it.
It
came
out
of
inquiries
from
people
and
interests,
but
if
you
could
tell.
I
Me
more
about
it
was
a
combination.
The
retail
and
restaurant
mostly
came
out
of
the
proposals
for
that
we,
oh
my
God
I,
don't
know
what's
wrong
with
these
all
right.
I
The
end
of
the
day
too,
but
the
restaurant
retail
was
more
about
mixed
juice
buildings
that
we
want
to
see
developed
so
that
there's
residential
up
above
a
commercial
down
below,
and
so
we
identified
a
series
of
those
buildings
and
how
much
ground
floor,
retail
restaurant
there
could
potentially
be,
and
that's
how
that
was
established.
The
institutional
was,
but.
H
I
Includes
existing
institutional,
like
the
the
public
library
and
the
Garson
theater,
and
the
visual
arts
center
and
I,
it
also
included
some
additional
Parcels
just
to
be,
let's
say
like
if
there
was
a
school
that
wanted
to
expand
there,
that
there's
some
opportunities
for
that
too.
So
again,
these
were
are
fairly
fungible,
but
we
wanted
to
at
least
kind
of
get
the
basis
also
served
as
or
this
served
as
the
basis
for
the
traffic
study.
I
F
I
Yeah
again,
that
was
sort
of
just
we
had
heard
from
people
during
the
process
that
they
would
like
to
see
that,
because
there
may
be
a
demand
for
it,
because
if
we're
expanding
the
film
industry
there
that
lodging
for
Crews
actors
Etc,
it
may
be
a
there-
may
be
a
demand
for
that.
So
we
just
put
it
in
there
again.
Fungible
may
never
happen.
It
may
not
never
be
a
priority
for
the
city,
but
it
allows
for
it.
F
I
F
All
right
so
and
then
the
questions
for
Lee.
It
was
related
to
the
amendment
for
the
link
overlay,
which
I
was
part
of,
and
there's
a
provision
in
there
that
talks
about
how
there's
development
that
occurs.
There
would
be
a
requirement
to
use
the
development
impact
fees
for
the
surrounding
contiguous
communities
and
or
I,
don't
know
what
kind
of
improvements
and
we
haven't
tried
it
out
yet
so
I'm
just
curious.
If
that's
going
to
change,
if
this
doesn't.
H
F
No,
that's
actually
part
of
the
the
overlay.
There
is
a
piece
there's
language
in
there
that
talks
about
how
any
kind
of
development
the
impact
fees
that
would
be
Associated
or
what
is
the
word
I'm,
trying
to
think
of
the
word.
D
Manager-
I
just
want
you
know,
Council
vrl,
you
might
be
moving
into
the
application
question
stage,
so
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
to
be
sure,
because
this
is
a
quasi-judicial
group.
You
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
cross
any
lines
with
that
question.
But
it's
a
very
good
question.
I'm
just
saying.
F
H
Yeah
now
I
understand
the
counselor
and
it
is
safe
to
answer
Rich
that
we
know
we
are
not
taking
out
that
provision
and
just
want
to
clarify
too
that
one
thing
that
came
up
actually
talking
to
land
use
today
about
the
text
Amendment,
because
they're
they're,
literally
like
finalizing
that
you
know-
and
one
thing
that
was
pointed
out-
that
I
think
maybe
has
has
possibly
been
forgotten
over
time-
is
that
for
qualifying
projects
qualifying
residential
projects
within
the
link.
H
Overall
impact
fees
are
actually
waived,
so
not
every
project
in
the
link
than
any.
But
in
theory
not
every
project
in
the
link
is
going
to
be
a
qualifying
project
and
not
every
project
in
Midtown
is
going
to
be
a
qualifying
project,
so
impact
fees
aren't
waived
on
every
development
you
know
is
the
point
I'm
trying
to
make
and
no
the
proposed
text
amendment
is
not
making
any
changes
to
the
use
of
those
fees.
K
F
Then
that
provision
who
would
it
actually
impact
resident
or
commercial,
we
put
it
in
there
and
you
know
there
was
a
reason
for
it
and
now
you're
saying
it's
interesting,
because
now
it
kind
of
contradicts
the
whole
purpose
of
it.
What
would
it
apply
apply
to
the
impact
impact
fees
that
I'm
describing
how
it
would
go
to
the
contiguous
neighborhoods.
H
H
It
never
came
up
because
there
were
no
projects
like
that:
I
have
been
focused
kind
of
100
on
the
master
plan
and
so
forth.
Land
use
has
kind
of
handled
the
amendment
more
I'd
like
an
opportunity
to
answer
that
better
prepared
and
then
also
I,
feel
like
I,
should
talk
to
legal
and
make
sure
whether
we're
you
know
kind
of
crossing
the
line
or
not
with
the
quasi-judicial
I
I
think
you
just
want
to
understand.
Well,.
F
H
F
B
Questions
or
comments
from
the
committee
I
have
one
thing
to
think
about
as
I'm
looking
at
the
schedule,
which
is
an
assumption
that
this
hearing
will
be
approved
in
one
Planning
Commission
meeting,
where
there
might
be
other
cases
and
then
we'll
also
be
approved
in
one
governing
body
meeting
where
this
is
not
the
only
thing
on
our
agenda
and
I
am
skeptical,
as
do
you
know
whether
or
not
that
is
actually
going
to
occur.
B
I
know
with
lazia
station
we
actually
scheduled
special
meetings
for
the
governing
body
and
we
scheduled
two
in
anticipation
of
really
a
lot
of
public
comment
and
really
long
in-depth
conversations
to
make
sure
that
the
governing
body
was
actually
voting
not
too
late.
I
think
we
still
went
to
one
a.m
without
bye.
B
C
B
Schedule
so
just
something
to
think
about
for
the
team,
as
as
we
are
barreling
towards
the
end
of
the
year,
especially
with
us
only
having
two
regular
meetings
or
one
regular
meeting
each
in
November
and
December.
So
thank
you.
F
F
It
doesn't
include
these
dates
that
we're
talking
about
and
I,
don't
know
how
it
would
be
organized
because,
right
now
it
seems
like
it's
just
showing
events
yeah,
but
if
we
can
add
like
what
the
next
steps
for
these
meetings,
whether
they're
information
or
actual
voting
meetings,
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
put
it
on
here.
Consider.
F
B
Thank
you,
mrsion
and
I
think
we
are
good.
Thank
you
so
much
for
being
here.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
we
will
see
you
in
a
week
all
right.
Let
us
keep
going.
Let
me
get
my
agenda
up
so
moving
on
to
items
pulled
from
consent,
so
we
first
are
moving
to
item
e.
This
is
request
for
approval
of
a
termination
agreement
with
the
cart,
Labs,
Inc
and
Associated
Lita
funding
clawback.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I,
just
want
to
have
a
clarification
on
the
how
the
what
the
city
has
received
24
of
anticipated
benefit
and
how
how
we
got
to
the
24.
Was
it
the
GRT?
Was
it
from
the
tax
base?
Was
it
other
contributions
to
the
city
and
just
kind
of
get
an
idea
of
what
that
was
absolutely.
C
What
they
actually
took
versus
what
the
GRT,
during
their
time,
that
they
were
okay
and.
E
So
obviously
that
translates
into
24
percent.
C
Of
what
they
which
what
they
received
right.
E
Okay
and
I.
D
Madam
chair
and
maybe
I
could
add
one
more
thing.
I
wanted
to
say
that
we
over
the
time
that
the
leader
program
was
happening
at
jobs.
We
invested
about
50
000
and
we're
getting
that
percentage
back,
so
18
000
we
get
back
to
the
States.
Getting
you
know
they
invested
way
more
than
we
did,
but
that's
the
money
that
we
originally
put
in
over
a
period
of
time.
It
was
a
hundred
thousand
over
a
period
of
time,
but
50
000
to
come
through
and
so
we're
getting
back.
We're
calling
back
the
18
000.
E
B
B
C
Chair
counselors.
E
That
was
my
understanding,
but
if
not
I
can
stand
for.
B
C
B
There's
DC
Champlin
wonderful,
great,
very,
very
excited
that
you're
here
virtually
got
a
little
nervous
for
a
second
before
I
turn
the
floor
over
I
did
just
want
to
kind
of
speak
to
the
committee
about
what
I
am
hoping
to
get
out
of
this,
because
I
I
was
going
to
make
a
motion
to
postpone
this
until
the
next.
B
B
So
I
was
hoping
that,
throughout
the
conversation
today,
we
might
get
some
feedback
from
quality
life
committee
so
that
over
the
next
two
weeks,
the
three
of
us
have
the
benefit
of
your
Insight
and
your
questions
in
this
discussion,
as
we
continue
to
work
towards
those
amendments,
so
I
just
wanted
to
set
that
stage
right
now.
You
know,
DC
Champlin
has
done
a
wonderful
job
of
pulling
some
data
with
some
of
the
conversations
that
he
has
had
and
then
we'll
be.
B
You
know
be
able
to
have
these
these
discussions
around
some
of
this
presentation,
as
well
as
opportunity
for
more
discussion
in
a
couple
weeks.
So
with
that
I
will
go
ahead
and
send
the
floor
over
to
you
so
DC
Champlin.
Please
proceed.
K
It's
no
problem
all
right
so,
like
chair
cassid,
mentioned
I've,
been
given
the
task
by
Chief
joy
to
kind
of
cover.
Some
data
explain
a
little
bit
of
this
bill
that
councilman
Dallas
sponsoring.
So
the
whole
reason
for
the
initial
conversation
here
I
believe
that
came
forward
was
a
citizen
concern.
It's
been
a
number
of
years,
any
of
you
that
have
been
in
the
council
for
any
period
of
time
or
lived
in
Santa,
Fe
and
I
mean
it
bothered
you
as
well
as
a
resident
of
it.
K
There's
been
several
different
conversations
and
different
research
options
by
all
the
study
staff
involved,
including
myself,
going
back
to
being
a
captain
even
before
that
as
being
a
lieutenant.
This
has
been
a
years-long
issue
and
right
now
one
of
the
things
that's
kind
of
standing
out
is
that
the
Buffalo
violation
is,
has
a
it's,
not
a
threat
to
life
or
anything
like
that.
But
it
is
a
high
impact
of
the
quality
of
life
and
unfortunately,
has
a
incredibly
low
fine.
K
So
it's
right
now,
it's
25
for
the
City
of
Santa
Fe,
and
this
bill
talks
a
little
bit
about
or
the
proposal
increasing.
Those
penalties,
so
this
is
just
a
I
mean
you
have
this
also
I
believe
in
the
packet
released
this
language.
But
this
is
the
actual
proposal
and
in
a
nutshell,
what
it
is
is
it's
increasing
the
penalties
and
creating
a
graduated
scale.
K
One
successive
offensive
receiving
successive
offenses
excuse
me
receiving
higher
penalties,
and
it
also
brings
in
the
auto
body
shops
as
far
as
the
making
the
installation
of
these
types
of
Mufflers
that
would
have
increased
noise
or
fumes
or
smoke
will
be
considered
an
illegal
Muffler,
also
bringing
them
into
the
same
penalties
as
the
drivers
would
receive,
who
actually
violate
the
ordinance.
K
So
as
part
of
this
I
asked
the
council
Glendale
and
made
some
recommendations
for
fines
and
different
levels
of
fees.
Etc
I
asked
the
city's
attorney's
office
to
or
the
city
staff,
rather
to
look
at
our
sister
cities,
some
other
larger
cities,
Albuquerque
Las,
Cruces
and
see
what
they
were
doing
and
the
initial
look
at
it
was
Albuquerque
is
pretty
strict.
They
start
at
500
and
the
second
offense
is
again
500,
but
they
will
also
boot
the
car
for
30
days
in
the
city
of
Santa
Fe.
K
We
don't
boot
cars,
we
don't
have
anything
logistically
in
place
for
that,
but
that's
something
that
they
do
in
Albuquerque
and
then
at
the
third
offense
it's
another
500
fine
and
then
they
will
actually
seize
the
vehicle
itself.
So,
and
it
also
includes
the
sanctions
against
auto
body
shops
in
Albuquerque.
So
if
Las
Cruces,
they
start
a
little
bit
lower
at
the
100
range
and
it
can
go
up
to
500,
they
have
a
range
there
and
one
thing
to
notice
the
standout.
K
For
me,
I
guess
in
the
in
these
two
is
Albuquerque
in
Las
Cruces
adopt
a
90
days
in
jail
policy.
I
guess
you
could
say
so,
there's
a
the
potential
for
the
fine,
the
financial
penalty
and
then
there's
also
the
the
penalty
as
being
in
jail.
90
days
of
Judge
can
actually
do
the
90
days
in
jail,
so
Las
Cruces
doesn't
have
anything
for
successive
violations
and
they
don't
include
anything
with
auto
body
shops.
K
So
the
there
was
a
lot
of
back
and
forth
with
City
staff
and
councilor
Lindell
and
And
discussing
what
would
be
best
and
there
is
no
best
I
I
believe
but
I
think
we'll
get
into
that
conversation.
But
this
is
the
initial
proposal,
the
minimum
of
being
a
250
up
to
the
500
fine.
That
means
that
the
judge
has
a
discretion
to
start
at
250
to
go
up
to
500
on
a
second
offense
or
any
successive
violations.
K
After
that,
it's
a
500
and
then
our
we
adopted
some
of
the
language
from
the
Albuquerque
ordinance
that
actually
sanctions
the
auto
body
shops,
which
again
mirrors
the
the
muffler
fine
for
the
owner
of
the
shop
or
whoever's
determined
to
be
the
responsible
party.
This
is
just
a
few.
Some
questions
I
tried
to
put
in
here
to
answer,
for
you
guys,
I
figured
they
would
come
up,
and
so
one
of
the
current
police
enforcement
is
actually
tied.
K
If
you
want
to
say
for
2021
and
year
of
the
2022,
there's
29
citations
last
year
and
29
citations
year
to
date,
and
then
if
we
look
at
it,
I
talked
to
Kyle
hibner,
the
the
Municipal
Court
prosecutor
and
talked
about
the
cases
have
been
filed
there,
just
to
kind
of
see.
What's
been
going
on,
so
there's
been
27
cases
filed
four
of
those
deferred.
You'll
see
some
of
the
stuff
listed
there.
15
are
pending,
so
a
large
majority
of
the
cases
are
still
pending.
We
don't
have
a
disposition
on
them.
K
I
know
that
the
fixing
ticket
will
come
into
conversation
tonight,
I'm
sure
there's
been
two
that
have
been
dismissed
because
the
muffler
was
fixed
and
it
was
no
longer
making
I
guess
the
louder.
Excessive
noise,
a
couple
have
been
dismissed.
I
talked
to
Kyle
about
those
dismissals.
Those
are
basically
where
there
might
be
larger
charges
to
come
to
play
with,
let's
say
racing
or
reckless
driving
and
they
defendant
will
plead
to
one
charge
the
higher
charge
and
they
will
dismiss
the
lower
charge
or
some
combination
of
that
and
then
some
that
just
pled
guilty.
K
This
is
just
a
little
bit
of
a
flow
if
you
will
flowchart.
So
are
there
alternatives
to
the
fine?
It
starts
off
with
the
fine.
If
there's
an
alternative
to
a
fly
and
again,
there's
no
jail
time
as
a
part
of
a
penalty,
but
Alternatives
could
be
community
service
could
be
a
payment
plan.
The
individual
can
afford
that
or
well
afford
it.
All
at
once
would
say
is
jail
possible
and
you'll
see
it
says.
K
No
and
yes-
and
that
is
true,
so
no
has
a
penalty,
it
cannot
be
used
as
a
penalty,
but
let's
say
that
they,
if
you
move
to
the
right
there
versus
spelled
to
comply,
there'll
be
a
hearing.
That's
set
a
failure
to
comply
hearing
the
judge
will
set,
and
if
nobody
shows
up
to
the
hearing
the
defendant,
then
a
arrest
warrant
is
issued
for
the
failure
to
attend.
So
that
could
be
a
temporary
jail
State.
They
could
end
up
in
jail
and
then
on
the
side
of
that,
you
see
what
they
attend.
K
Then
that's
that's
kind
of
where
the
judge
of
work
with
them
towards
the
resolution
to
see
why
they're
not
complying
and
what
they
can
do
about
that.
It's
a
brief
presentation,
and
with
that,
let
me
get
the
screen
back
here.
B
Thank
you
so
much
appreciate
it
we'll
go
ahead
and
start
having
discussions
as
DC
Champlin
alluded
to
one
of
the
things
that
the
three
of
us
are
really
looking
at.
Is
this
option
for
a
Fix-It
ticket
so,
as
opposed
to
just
continuous
finds,
is
how
do
we?
How
could
we
potentially
Implement
a
methodology
so
that
the
ticket
requires
them
to
fix
the
modified
Muffler
as
the
resolution?
So
that
is
what
we
are
currently
exploring.
Kyle
hibner
is
doing
some
research
about
this
right
now,
but
just
wanted
to
to
set.
C
B
Stage
so
that
as
we're
having
these
conversations
that
that
option
is
currently
being
explored,
so
this
was
pulled
by
councilman
verrielle
and
councilor
Lee
Garcia,
so
I'll
go
to
the
either
of
you
first
and
then
I
can
oh
I'm,
sorry,
but
you
are
the
spot.
You
are
one
of
the
sponsors,
so
I'm,
sorry
counselor
Travis.
That
technically
would
go
to
you
first
and
then.
J
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair
I,
don't
have
a
lot
to
say,
I
do
want
to
say,
I
appreciate,
councilor,
cassette's,
idea
of
postponing
and
just
having
conversation.
I
think.
The
main
purpose
of
bringing
this
forward
at
all
is
to
finally
address
an
issue
that
has
been
coming
to
us
frequently
from
well
with
complaints.
I
know
that
recently,
I've
been
hearing
a
lot
more
about
just
the
our
community
that
suffers
from
PTSD
and
how
that's
become
more
of
a
triggering
issue.
J
So
the
feedback
from
the
community
has
really
transformed,
where
I
think
it
does
have
impact
on
quality
of
life.
But
I.
Do
you
think
it's
something
that,
as
the
governing
body
as
City
councilors,
we
need
to
work
together
to
make
sure
that
we
do
get
it
right.
So
this
idea
of
like
a
Fix-It
ticket
I,
find
very
interesting
I.
J
Think
that
that
giving
individuals
an
option
to
address
the
issue
instead
of
being
fined,
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
but
I
just
wanted
to
say,
I,
look
forward
to
how
we
can
make
this
address
the
issue
and
not
put
individuals
in
situations
that
we
we
don't
want
at
the
same
time.
So
that's
it.
Thank
you.
Counselor.
B
Thank
you
so
much
counselor
Council.
F
Invaderia
sure,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you,
D.C
templin,
for
being
with
us
and
providing
some
data.
I
think
we
all
realize
that
personally,
we've
experienced
the
disruption,
that's
occurring
with
what
I
call
loud,
drag
racing
and
speeding
down,
at
least
in
my
case
serious,
but
it's
also
across
the
city
and
it's
as
we
know,
disruptive,
it's
frustrating.
It
creates
unneeded
stress
and
people
in
some
people's
lives.
F
The
other
flip
side
to
this
is
like
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
make
the
right
decisions
and
because,
when
we
change
ordinances
like
that
that
are
affecting
fines
and
fees
there's
at
times
unintended
consequences.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
do.
We
look
at
it
from
a
holistic
point
of
view,
not
just
from
people
that
complain,
but
also
people
that
we
don't
hear
from
so
I
also
want
us
to
be
aware.
F
Most
recently,
all
of
us
supported
Equitable
regulations
for
parking
fees
and
traffic
violations,
and
so
raising
fees,
kind
of
goes
against
what
we've
been
trying
to
do
to
achieve
Equitable
ways
to
assess
fines
and
fees
and
looking
at
reform
around
these
topics.
So
that's
something
that
I
just
want
us
to
be
aware
of,
because
you
know
it
contradicts
kind
of
like
some
of
the
goals
that
we've
been
looking
at
and
in
these
areas.
F
I
think,
to
start
with
and
I
appreciate
that
we
had
some
data.
I
really
want
to
look
at
it
from
a
bigger
picture
and
having
data
that
shows
how
many
citations
or
stops
we've.
We've
we've
given
or
we've
had
since
2018
and
I
want
to
say
2018,
because
we're
building
up
to
a
time
that
then
we
reach
covid
times
and
covet
times
has
changed
a
lot
of
things
so
and
including
the
fact
that
not
many
people
are
have
been
had
been
on
the
road,
and
so
this
kind
of
exacerbated
some
of
the
situations.
F
So
I
would
like
to
see
the
data
similar
to
what
you
presented:
DC
Champlin,
but
from
2018
to
2022
and
I,
don't
know
if
it
will
really
break
down
like
stops,
that
we
just
warn
people
or
we
actually
give
them
citations,
and
then
it
went
through
the
process.
And
so
if
you
could
give
us
more
information
about
that,
that
would
be
helpful.
F
We
did
have
those
of
us
remember
that
we
had
this
same.
Similar
ordinance
changed
last
year.
Was
it
last
year
and
there
were
things
that
came
up
and
when
we
asked
the
police
department
about
especially
the
enforcement
side,
we
were
told
that
they
were.
They
found
it
difficult
to
enforce.
So
I
guess
I'm
wondering
what
has
changed
since
then
then,
and
how
they
plan
to
enforce
this
and
there's
multiple
levels
of
this
well
PD
have
the
staff
to
enforce
it.
F
Would
that
then
require
them
to
know
how
to
inspect
a
vehicle
for
modifications
and
also
investigating
the
time
it
would
take
to
investigate
potential
installers
of
modified
Mufflers?
So
can
you
maybe
shed
some
light
on
what
has
changed
from
your
from
PD's
perspective,
then,
which
was
like
we
don't
have
really
a
way
to
enforce
this,
and
by
the
way,
this
this
actual
ordinance,
not
with
the
changes
that
we're
seeing
now.
F
But
this
actual
ordinance
for
Muffler
nuisance
has
been
on
the
book
since
the
1980s
and
so
I
want
people
to
know
that
it
actually
has
been
on
there,
and
so
we
haven't.
We
don't
really
have
data
to
look
at
like
how
it
actually
has
been
enforced,
but
with
this
current
time
that
we're
in
with
this
Administration,
can
you
tell
us
a
little
bit
more
about
what
you're
thinking
or
what
has
changed
since
last
year?.
K
Sure,
before
I
do
that
and
just
on
my
side,
I,
don't
know
who
is
can
I
to
interrupt
who
they're
controlling
the
zoom
all
I
can
see
is
two
pictures
of
myself,
because
I
think
I'm
still
up
on
the
zoom
portion
of
it
for
the
share
screen.
Is
it
possible?
Whoever
is
working
the
zoom
to
change
that.
C
K
All
right,
that's
much
better!
Thank
you
very
much.
Yes,
sir.
So
to
answer
your
question,
counselor
I,
wouldn't
say
anything's
particularly
changed.
I
would
say
that
the
enforcement
is
still
not
easy,
because
under
this
under
this
particular
ordinance,
it's
a
louder
excessive
Muffler
and
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
earlier
today.
In
a
side
conversation,
you
know
what
qualifies
as
a
louder
excessive.
How
are
we
gonna?
How
do
we
quantify
that
and
we
talked
with
Kyle
hibner
and
what
they're
doing
in
Municipal
Court
is?
K
They
are
using
the
officers
we'll
say,
experience
understanding
of
being
in
traffic
daily
in
their
normal
duties
of
the
professional
job
and
being
able
to
testify
in
court.
Two.
This
car
is
louder
than
the
standard
car
that
is
in
traffic,
and
it
is
loud
or
excessive
and
that's
that's
found
people
guilty.
It's
worked,
so
the
judges
has
ruled
guilty
and
or
verdict
guilty.
I
guess
you
could
say
this
is
separate
from
under
this
ordinance.
K
This
ordinance
mirrors
the
state
law,
so
it
is
an
exact
mirror
of
the
state
law
under
the
same
ornaments.
We
also
have
the
decibel
related
ordinance
under
the
noise
ordinance
and
that
one's
a
little
bit
different
than
this,
and
that
one
is
a
lot
more
difficult
because
it's
the
it
specifically
decimal
related.
That's
where
you
get
into
the
conversation
of
decibel
meters
decibel
meters.
How
do
we
get
that?
Do
we
have
officers
stand
out
in
traffic
with
decimal
readers?
K
How
are
we
going
to
facilitate
that,
whereas
the
other
one
is
the
one
that
we're
talking
about
tonight
is
more
directly
related
to
the
excessive
noise
or
loud,
and
that's
the
offshore's
job
to
go
in
for
that
particular
ordinance.
Language
verbiage
of
the
elements
of
that
crime
also
to
go
in
and
testify
to
that
and
either
articulate
it
and
the
judge
agree
with
such
articulation
or
not.
F
Yeah
I
think
the
experience
part
is
important.
I
think
it
was
also
staff
capacity
and
the
reason
why
I
know
that
that's
an
issue
is
because
I
could
tell
you
all
every
night
at
the
same
time,
every
night
when
to
come
to
Serious
road,
because
the
drag
racing
occurs.
It's
at
10,
30,
PM
every
day,
even
on
the
weekends,
but
I
don't
hear
stops
or
Sirens.
F
So
I
guess
I'm
just
wondering
if,
like
in
terms
of
the
capacity,
what
has
changed
for
you
all
that
you
you
consider
and
that
you'd
be
able
to
enforce
this
with.
K
The
changes
I
don't
think
there
was
necessarily
a
catalyst
at
the
police
department
that
changed
and
sparked
the
bill
Amendment.
It
was
more
so
councilor
Lindell
wanting
to
do
something
positive
or
in
a
positive
way,
I
guess
to
make
start,
making
some
change
one
way
or
the
other
to
start
getting
some
effective
change,
but
for
us,
the
the
Staffing-
and
we
all
know
that
we're
we're
lower
staff
right
now
we
are
better
than
what
we
went
into
with
the
summer.
We
have
23
vacancies,
I
believe
we're
looking
at
shortly
being
at
22.
K
for
reference
I
think
we
started
the
year
at
around
36
to
37.,
so
we
are
getting
down
with
our
vacancies,
which
is
good,
but
we
do
also,
of
course,
or
I'm
sorry
focus
on
the
muffler
enforcement,
and
we
have
several
times
during
last
year.
During
this
year,
I
know
in
2020
it
was
a
big
Focus
as
well.
K
We
did
a
couple
of
operations,
so
there
are
times
that
we
focus
on
it,
but
unfortunately
we
can't-
and
you
are
correct-
with
Staffing-
we
don't
have
the
individuals
to
to
focus
that
whole
shift
on
it.
We'll
say
unless
we're
paying
them
over
time
and
we
do
these
operations.
A
lot
of
these
operations
are
an
overtime
status
and
they're
a
volunteer
status.
So
we
can't
mandate
people
to
come
in
and
do
it
and
we
can
put
the
money
aside.
K
We
do
it
for
if
you
all
or
pay
attention
to
our
social
media
or
the
spring
Blitz,
we
do
every
year.
It's
an
annual
thing.
We
put
a
lot
of
money
towards
that
and
I
set
it
aside
and
it's
more
often
than
not
that
we're
not
able
to
fill
all
of
it
as
far
as
the
overtime
slots
go.
So
it's
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
conundrum
for
us
when
it
comes
to,
we
are
able
to
enforce
it.
K
The
Staffing
does
create
a
problem,
and
then
we
get
into
kind
of
the
verbiage
in
the
languages.
What
how's
this
going
to
make
it
best
or
we
can
most
easily
enforce
it.
F
Right
understood,
and
so
as
it
currently
is
in
the
current
state
that
you
all
are
in.
What's
the
priority
level
of
mufflers
Muffler
noises
right
now,.
K
So
I'll
for
lack
of
a
better
term
I'll,
be
blunt.
It's
it's
not
that
it's
not
a
priority,
but
it
is
a
low
priority.
We
look
at
everything
from
the
police
department
as
a
threat
priority,
with
the
threat
being
the
first
priorities
of
threat
to
life,
obviously,
and
then,
after
that,
it
becomes
a
threat
to
property
and
then,
after
a
threat
to
property,
we
have
time
to
deal
with
the
what
we
consider
a
quality
of
life
issue,
which
is
there's
no
threat
to
life.
K
There's
no
threat
to
property,
but
it
is
a
quality
of
life
issue.
I,
think
there's
any
number
of
us
counselors
included
their
presence
tonight
that
have
probably
been
down
in
the
plaza
and
they
have
experienced
in
Crazy,
Muffler
drive-by
and
the
the
shock
that
that
is
especially
when
it's
echoing
in
the
plaza
chamber
there,
so
in
a
sense
of
priority
it
really
for
us,
as
calls
for
service
it's
how
they
come
out
and
they're
prioritized.
But
right
now
I
would
say
that
as
they
come
in
the
complaints
come
in.
We
do
make
an
effort.
K
Let's
say
that
we
get
a
even
for
Council.
Let's
use
yours
as
an
example
in
your
area,
you're
a
resident,
you
call
in
to
our
office
and
say
hey.
This
is
ridiculous.
It's
happening
at
10
30..
Can
you
guys
please
come
and
help
us
out?
Then
it
becomes.
We've
moved
that
priority
into
a
different
little
section
where
we
can
now
maybe
send
our
area
officers
over
there
to
maybe
focused
or
hyper
focus
on
that
particular
area
to
try
to
give
you
some
reprieve.
F
You
I
guess
the
other
thing
I
was
curious
about
is
how
you
think
PD
staff
will
determine
the
perceived
noise
if
the
perceived
noise
is
coming
from
a
vehicle
that
has
a
modified
Muffler
versus
a
vehicle
that
is
manufactured
to
create
a
louder
noise
effect
or
a
louder
effect
when
it's
speeding
up
Etc,
so
I'm
curious.
How
you
all
planted,
distinguish
that
and
then
likewise,
there's
also
motorcycles
like
Harleys
low
riders,
older
vehicles
that
need
muffler
replacement.
So
how
do
you
all
handle?
How
would
you
all
handle
those
situations
versus
modifications.
K
So
and
that's
a
that's
a
great
question:
counselor
and
we've
had
this
discussion
a
lot
of
times
to
determine
this
guy.
We
actually
had
this
discussion
as
a
little
bit
of
a
side
conversation
today.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
targeting
the
the
right
driver
violated,
that's
violating
the
ordinance.
If
that
makes
sense,
we
want
to
make
sure
we're
targeting
the
people
that
are
racing
that
are
coming
down
intentionally
rubbing
their
engines
and
causing
havoc,
and
then
you
have
the
individuals
who,
like
you
said,
have
older
model
vehicles.
K
As
a
matter
of
fact,
one
of
my
captains,
whoever
sees
the
patrol
section,
he
is
a,
he
is
an
audio,
an
auto
buff.
This
is
what
he
does.
He
builds
older
vehicles
and
he
was,
he
actually
came
down
to
Santa
Fe
to
have
a
muffler
installed.
Specifically
so,
and
he
said
it's
not
to
come
and
wreak
havoc.
K
It's
because
this
is
what
I
do,
and
this
is
what
I
love
to
do,
and
this
is
a
love
of
my
what
I
like
to
do
so,
and
we
have
those
those
cars
you
know
they
come
through
and
they
they
do
the.
What
am
I,
what's
the
the
crews
will
say
and
stuff,
but
we're
not
that's
not
what
we
want
to
Target
so
you're,
absolutely
right
and
that's
that
is
a
larger
conversation.
I
believe
for
the
police
department
to
have
for
staff
City
staff
to
have
to
figure
out
how
it's
best
right.
K
Now,
it's
more
so
becomes
with
the
racing
it
more
so
becomes
an
officer
visually
Witnesses
it
and
sees
the
behavior
of
that
driver
at
that
time
with
that
loud
noise,
and
maybe
it's
because
they're
racing,
they're
being
unsafe,
they're
being
Reckless
they're,
going
to
the
plaza
and
they're
burning
their
tires
and
they're,
seeing
other
visual
cues
it's
and
that's
the
the
way
that
they're
targeting
that
particular
Violator.
F
Okay,
so
are
you
so,
did
you
tell
your
officer,
you
might
get
a
citation
for
his
vehicle.
K
We
had
a,
we
had
a
long
conversation
because
he
had
as
a
sidebar
here
he
had.
He
just
had
a
concern
about
the
auto
body
shops
and
installing
it
how
that
was
going
to
work
out
for
out-of-towners,
because
I
didn't
know
this,
but
I
guess
several
of
our
auto
body.
Shops
are
well
known
for
what
they
can
do
with
Mufflers
no
specialties.
F
I
had
asked
one
of
the
sponsors
about:
well,
that's
a
stakeholder,
so
are
they
notified
that
this
is
occurring
and
how
it
might
potentially
affect
their
business
and
has
anyone
reached
out
to
any
of
those
businesses
and
I
was
told?
No,
so
I
think
that's
one
area
that
people,
if
we're
talking
about
you,
know,
changes
to
ordinances
and
we
look
at
all
stakeholder
viewpoints.
F
F
So
just
a
question
a
couple
more
questions,
but
do
you
see
templin
do
you?
Do
you
think
that
this
change
is
supporting
Public
Safety.
K
I
think
that
when
you
look
at
the
the
I
guess
we'll
say
the
philosophy
of
crime
and
punishment
for
lack
of
a
better
characterization
here
there
is
a
crime
and
there's
a
punishment.
And,
generally
speaking,
we
try
to
deter
the
crime
from
happening
or
even
the
thought
of
the
crime
happening.
So
because
they
know
there's
a
punishment
and
that's.
K
K
They
don't
get
penalized
for
it,
but
if
they
don't
do
that
or
they
refuse
to
do
that,
there
has
to
be
some
kind
of
penalty,
and
unfortunately,
that's
generally
going
to
be
some
kind
of
financial
penalty
to
deter
this
behavior
from
happening
or
deter
people
from
installing
these
things.
So
I
think
that
an
increase
in
I
think
the
fixing
ticket
is
a
great
idea
and
I
think
that
on
the
back
end
we
just
have
to
be
careful
with.
K
K
I
think
that
it's
the
overall
quality
of
life,
Public
Safety,
is
not
just
about
protecting
somebody
from
getting
hurt
as
far
as
physically
or
from
damage
being
you
know,
or
property
being
damaged.
Rather
it
is
also
about
inserting
ourselves
into
areas
into
residential
neighborhoods
and
to
the
plaza
and
to
other
areas
where
the
quality
of
life
matters
and
it
has
to
be
handled
because
we
have
ordinances
and
those
are
criminal
ordinances.
K
It
would
be
this
way.
It's
a
traffic
issue
for
the
police
to
enforce,
to
maintain
that
quality
of
life
within
that
particular
area.
So
I
I
do
think
that
it's
not
a
high
priority,
like
I
kind
of
discussed
earlier,
but
I
do
think
in
a
way
it
is
Public
Safety
related
and
in
support
of
that
I
guess
you
could
say.
F
Thank
you
and
I
guess
that
I'm
struggling
with
the
criminalization
of
types
of
behaviors-
and
you
know
what
or
I'll
call
it
noise
criminalization
of
certain
groups,
like
there's
other
noises,
that
we
experience
around
town
that
don't
necessarily
get
as
much
scrutiny,
but
they
are
disruptive
I
mean
even
some
people
would
say,
dogs
are
so
I
guess.
I'm
I
have
a
hard
time
with
this,
like
what
do
we
decide?
F
So
those
are
just
some
things.
I
I
want
us
to
contemplate
as
we.
This
goes
through
the
process
because
I
I
agree
doing
nothing
is
not
an
option.
I
just
don't
know
what
that
happy.
Balance
or
medium
is
that's
Equitable
for
people
in
our
community
and
from
all
perspectives,
and
then
I
had
one
more
question.
F
That
was
a
legal
question
and
I
don't
know
if
anyone
could
answer
this,
but
it's
about
the
citation
increase
and
if
it
meets
or
within
the
confines
of
what
they
call
excessive
fine
laws
and
it's
regulated
by
the
state-
and
we
got
some
information
today
but
I.
Don't
it
wasn't
from
a
well?
It
was
from
a
lawyer.
Actually
so
I
don't
know
if
we
have
any
input
on
that
and
if
we
can.
F
Sounds
good,
that's
all
I
have
Madam
chair
I'll
deal
with
the
floor.
Thank.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
I
appreciate
the
conversation
here.
I
talk
about.
Thank
you.
You
basically
covered
everything.
I
was
going
to
ask
and
and
and
I
think
we're
going
back
to.
How
do
we
identify
excessive
and
what
metrics
are
put
in
place
for
us
to
to
qualify
noise,
that's
disrupted
and
I
I
think
we
all
realize.
C
E
It
is
a
huge
issue:
I
mean
Airport
Road,
Country,
Club,
Road
I've
had
constituents
contact
me,
Jaguar
and
I
think
it
ties
right
into
Public
Safety
in
regards
to
speeding
and
and
and
for
sure
quality
of
life.
I
mean
when
these
type
of
instances
are
happening,
especially
after
10
o'clock,
and
when
people
are
trying
to
wind
down
and
rest
for
the
work
work
week
over
day.
E
E
And
I
and
I
do
know
outfit
shops
that
that
work
on
on
mufflers
that
work
on
exhaust
and
and
again,
how
does
this
affect
their
livelihood?
I
appreciate
that
question
or
comment
by
councilwoman,
and
so
how
do
we
find
a
happy
medium?
How
do
we
address
this
issue
in
regards
to
noise,
I?
Think
for
the
governing
body.
Our
last
governing
body
meeting
the
owner
of
rapondo
brought
the
instance
of
the
noise.
E
San
Francisco
street
and
I
can
say:
I
I
was
staying
at
my
father
was
fortunate
to
stay
on
the
Fonda
the
last
couple
weeks
ago
and
sure
enough.
It's
noisy
downtown,
but
it's
not
just
the
the
cars
it's
trash
trucks,
it's
it's
the
banging
of
the
gates
opening
up,
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
noises
and
again
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
do
make
get
this
right
in
regards
to
how
we
qualify
this
and
I
think
how
we
tie
it
into
street
racing
I.
E
Think
is
one
of
the
biggest
points
that
we
need
to
focus
on,
because
Public
Safety
when
sure,
most
of
the
time
somebody
considered
a
street
light
and
rev
their
engine
and
create
a
loud
noise.
Let's
say:
I
took
the
headers
off
of
my
my
engine
and
there's
straight
pipes
and
I
am
a
car
guy.
So
I
like
that
Rumble
sound
and
at
times
like
to
take
the
car
out
and
safety.
E
But
again,
how
do
we
mitigate
noise
as
being
Public,
Safety
and
and
and
sure
we
do
need
to
focus
on
how
we
reinforce
this
for
quality
of
life,
but
I
think
it
ties
into
a
bigger
issue,
which
is
street
racing
and
and
modifications
that
create
Vehicles.
So
you
know
more
than
more
than
questions,
comments
and
I.
Think
that's
I
I
appreciate
this
being
pulled
in
the
tabled,
I
guess
for
another
day,
but
I
I.
E
You
know
I
I'm
for
helping
out
with
what
we
can
do
to
to
minimize
this
issue
and
at
the
same
time,
reach
out
to
the
community
in
regards
to
how
does
this
affect
every
everyone,
including
shops,
that
do
this
and
people
who
are
car
people?
You
know
I
I,
do
see
where
I
think
that
having
some
sort
of
metrics
or
decibel
meters
is
so
important
and
then
falling
back
on
officers
and
their
ability
to
to
identify.
E
A
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
director,
Joe,
thank
you,
DC
Champlin,
for
being
here
tonight.
We
I
think
we've
all
been
victims
of
the
loud
noises
that
we
we've
heard.
A
As
councilwoman
Villarreal
said
she
hears
them
on
Sirius
I,
don't
know
if
the
start
line
is
on
her
side
of
cereal,
so
the
Finish
Line,
because
I
hear
the
same
noises
and
it's
especially
on
summer
nights
you
can
tell
folks
are
out
and
about
and
following
up
on
what
councilor
Garcia
had
mentioned
around
decimal
meters
and
and
utilizing
that
as
a
foundation
for
the
scientific
data
that
will
I
guess
help
the
judicial
system
in
regards
to
Prosecuting
cases
where
it
doesn't
then
take
the
interpretation
of
the
officer
and
it
might
take
some
weight
off
of
you
and
your
team
PC,
Champlin
and
I
guess
my
question
around
that
is
you
had
mentioned
using
meters,
and
and
do
you
see,
challenges
with
that
and
my
question
my
I
guess
my
question
goes
around
because
we're
not
Santa
Fe
is
not
isolated
to
this
problem.
A
Other
cities
that
are
looking
at
installing
decibel
meter
reading
systems
I
think
New.
York
City
has
been
doing
it
for
almost
the
last
year,
where
they've
got
the
the
noise
cameras
and
they're
using
decibel
readers
to
issue
tickets
and
then
they've
got
a
fix
it
or
fix
it.
Ticket
first
issued
and
I
guess.
My
question
revolves
around
to
DC
Champlin
one
has
the
the
force
looked
into
that
type
of
system,
a
noise
camera
system
and
two
and
coupled
with
that,
what
challenges
support
success.
Etc.
A
Do
you
see
if
officers
were
to
carry
decibel
meters,
readers
with
them
as
well
again,
just
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
equipping
you
and
your
team
with
as
much
tools
as
possible
to
say
just
like
you've
got
a
radar
gun.
We
we
clocked
you
going
35
into
25,
here's
the
evidence,
a
decimal
reader
could
say
well.
You've
exceeded
the
allowable
amount
by
x,
amount,
and
so
I
guess
just
to
help
me
understand
and
help
where
you
and
your
team
are
coming
from.
Is
that
a
useful
tool?
Is
it
not
a
useful
tool?
K
Me
sure
Council
and
those
are
common
questions.
You're,
not
you're,
not
the
first
to
ask
so
they're
good
questions.
So
are
we
looking
into
other
types
of
technology
and
I'm
glad
that
you
mentioned
New,
York,
City
I?
K
Actually,
just
read
that
read
an
article
about
it
a
few
weeks
ago
and
I
follow
try
to
follow
up
with
it
today,
in
anticipation
of
a
different
meeting
that
we
had
on
this
a
sidebar
conversation,
they
started
it
back
in
February
2022
and
they
started
as
a
pilot
program
and
they
used
their
noise
cameras,
the
noise
camera
decimal
readers
and
what
they
do
is
they're.
So
we've
looked
into
this
and
we're
in
the
process
of
that
it's
a
long
process
there's
only
and
speaking
with
Chief
Joy.
K
He
was
in
the
initial
meeting
with
this
there's
only
I
believe
two
cities
right
now,
maybe
the
nation
that
are
doing
this
type
of
enforcement.
This
way
with
these
machines
and
in
those
two
cities
they
are
civil,
they
are
civil
machines
and
our
civil
citations.
Rather
so
they
don't
issue
issue
a
criminal
citations.
Much
like
the
stop
program
we've
talked
about
in
the
past.
K
They
are
civil
citations
and
once
it
becomes
the
Civil
issue,
they're
not
within
the
purview
of
the
police
department,
in
either
City,
and
if
you
looked
at
it
and
I'm
sure
you
read
the
very
similar
material
that
I
read
in
New
York
City.
They
actually
fall
into
the
Environmental
Protection
Department
of
New
York
City,
and
they
look
at
it
like
a
pollution
problem.
They
look
at
it
like
just
like
water
pollution
or
any
kind
of
littering
or
any
kind
of
polluting
the
environment.
K
They
look
at
noises
pollution
for
muscles,
so
you
look
at
it
from
that
that
scope,
if
you
will
and
it
falls
under
that
their
purview,
not
the
police
departments.
So
that's
something
that
Chief
joy
and
I
and
even
director
Ocho
have
had
conversations
about
is
even
as
early
or
as
recent
today.
K
So
we
are
definitely
looking
at
what
is
out
there
that
we
can
do
and
then,
if,
if
these
things
are
truly
reliable
and
we
think
that
it's
something
that
would
be
a
good
fit
for
to
bring
enforce
and
one
of
the
Committees
and
governing
body
what
this
is
the
best
option
to
not
have
it
within
the
police
department.
Could
it
potentially
move
into
a
code
Code
Enforcement
type
option
where
the
in
New
York
City?
What
they're
doing
is
they
receive
a
civil
citation?
K
It's
not
a
citation,
it's
an
order
to
show,
so
they
will
receive
this.
This
order
to
show
they
will
show
up
at
said
location
to
have
their
mufflers
inspected,
and
they
will
do
the
decibel
reading
there
and
all
of
the
stuff
that
goes
with
the
specialty
of
marrying
the
mufflers
and
doing
the
vessel
reading.
They
actually
did
there
at
the
at
the
environmental,
Department,
we'll
say
and
there's
no
police
involvement,
and
then
they
feel
that
if
they
don't
show
up,
then
the
fines
start
to
increase
and
they
do
get
civil
points.
K
After
that,
and
after
a
certain
amount
of
times,
they
don't
show
I
think
the
Civil
fine
can
get
up
to
almost
three
thousand
dollars,
but
I'm
not
showing
so
there's
we're,
definitely
looking
into
it,
and
it's
on
the
table.
We've
had
discussions
with
the
company,
I
think
they're
out
of
Europe,
Actually
I,
don't
even
know
if
they're
a
U.S
amazing
company.
Excuse
me
that
was
my
daughter
running
up
the
stairs
with
both
of
my
big
dogs.
K
Sorry,
but
with
that
being
said,
it's
the
other
question
to
your
second
question:
are
decimal
readers?
You
know
what
kind
of
issues
would
it
be
good?
What
kind
of
shoes
would
you
have
with
that?
There
are
some
complications.
One
of
those
is
anytime
that
the
police
department
is
using
any
kind
of
specialized
equipment.
K
We
are
put
under
strict
scrutiny
when
it
comes
to
the
licensing
of
the
dialing
it
in
so
to
speak
and
making
sure
that
everything
is
working,
the
way
that
it
should
work
and
even
having
a
municipal
court
potentially
having
to
have
an
expert
somebody
who
can
come
in
and
really
testify
to
like
exactly
how
this
machine
works.
Just
like
we
have
to
do
with
the
breathalyzer
machine,
we'll
have
to
have
sld
staff,
sometimes
coming
from
the
state,
to
testify
to
the
technical
specifics
to
that
particular
machine.
K
So
there
are
some
challenges
there
with
the
decimal
reader
and
not
only
that
just
getting
the
officers
trained
up
and
if
there
is
a
certification
for
it,
getting
that
getting
him
out
to
the
hands
of
the
officers
and
then
from
there
we've
thought
about
how?
K
How
exactly
would
we
do
this
enforcement
wise
we've
done
things
on
the
plaza
where
we
actually
just
have
people
in
plain
clothes,
and
they
are
visually
looking
at
hearing
and
looking
for
the
mufflers,
and
then
they
will
radio
to
a
Market
unit,
marked
police
unit
to
say,
hey,
that
car
is
doing
this
and
that's
been
beneficial.
Can
we
do
that
with
decimal
readers?
Maybe
maybe
not
so.
K
There
are
some
challenges,
and
maybe
some
enforcement
I
guess
like
ways
that
have
happened
fully,
thought
out
yet
and
I
think
it's
maybe
of
a
larger
conversation
to
have
with
those
so
there's.
Definitely
some
challenges
and
I,
don't
think
the
chief
or
I
are
are
close
to
it,
but
we
are
extremely
interested
in
the
this,
the
machine
or
the
noise
camera.
K
If
you
will
and
extremely
interested
on
how
New
York
is
doing
that
with
or
New
York
City
with
pushing
the
people
rather
than
getting
a
citation
on
the
first
thing,
they're
pushing
it
into
a
department
that
can
then
especially
they're
they're
equipped
to
inspect
that
vehicle
for
that
and
it
cuts
out
the
police
department
as
a
whole.
So
I
hope
that
answered
your
your
questions.
A
It
does
thank
you
so
much
Chief,
Joy
and
I.
Think
it's
just
the
basis
of
the
questions
is:
how
could
we
provide
you
and
your
team
with
the
tools
necessary
to
help
alleviate
these
noise
challenges
and
I
appreciate
you,
the
the
research
that
you
all
are
conducting
and
if
you
all
come
across
any
other
tools
that
can
be
used
for
are
helpful.
Please
bring
them
forward
because
I
think
this
is
an
issue
that
has
been
as
councilwoman
Via
Real.
A
It's
pre-pandemic
and
I've
heard
the
racing
going
on
before
the
the
pandemic
and
I
think
when
things
quieted
down
from
the
pandemic.
It
just
allowed
us
to
hear
him
a
little
more
and
folks
are
participating
a
lot
more
than
they
did
in
the
past,
and
so
with
the
thank
you
DC
joy
and
thank
you
director,
no
other
comments
or
tonight.
B
Thank
you
so
much
can
we
make
a
quick
note
that,
as
of
702
Council
Travis
is
excused,
thank
you.
I
will
just
follow
up
with
just
a
few
additional
questions.
Thank
you
so
much
to
my
colleagues,
for
you
know
this
is
a
such
a
it
is.
This
is
a
really
interesting
conversation.
You
know
on
the
surface,
I
think
a
lot
of
people
feel
that
this
is
really
cut
and
dry,
but
there
are
all
of
these
different
factors
and
all
this
different
information
to
look
into
a
couple
questions.
B
So
when
did
Albuquerque
in
Las
Cruces
Implement
their
changes
to
to
these
vehicle
noise,
slash
Muffler
laws.
K
H
B
I
guess
what
I'd
really
be
curious
about
is
what
impact
they've
seen.
Of
course,
you
know,
and
especially
because
Albuquerque
does
have
this
separate
provision
on
the
auto
shops-
and
you
know,
has
this
been
successful?
As
you
know,
what
changes
have
facing
that's
been
successful.
I
know
that
that
the
model
that
Santa
Fe
is
looking
at
is
different.
I
mean
they
have
Albuquerque
does
have
booting
of
the
vehicle
there's
jail
time
involved,
but
I
would
just
I'd
be
curious
to
hear
about
any
impact
that
they
have
noticed
as
we
are
considering.
B
You
know
what
changes
are
actually
going
to
work
to
really
fix
the
problem.
I
mean
I.
Think
that
that's
that's
one
of
the
big
pieces
that
we're
looking
at
is
it's.
We
really
would
like
to
get
to
the
root
of
this
issue
and
and
seeing
what
has
been
successful
and
not
just
what
other
cities
have
done,
but
what
other
cities
have
seen
to
be
beneficial
would
be
helpful,
so
I
believe
we
have
a
policy
analyst
in
the
room,
so
Connor.
C
B
Take
note
of
that
that
would
be
helpful.
I
think
that
most
of
the
questions
have
really
been
asked.
You
know
there
is
this
piece
about
the
subjectivity
of
what
is
excessive
noise?
B
Are
there
situations
where
a
car
does
not
necessarily
have
these
modifications
that
are
intended
to
make
more
noise
than
other
cars
that
they
are
being
categorized
as
excessive,
so
whether
it
is
something
that's
factory
made,
we
discussed
I
believe
I,
guess
not
in
a
meeting,
but
there
was
a
discussion
about.
B
Oh
it's
one
of
the
public
comments
about
how
you
can
press
this
button
now
that
it
comes
factory
installed
to
make
it
a
louder
car,
maybe
counselor,
Lee
Garcia
has
some
information
about
all
the
different
ways
that
you
can
make
a
car
louder.
I
do
not
have
that
information
in
my
head,
but
when
we
are
seeing
citations
or
when
you
are
saying
citations,
how
frequently
has
something
been
done
to
the
car
to
make
it
louder
as
opposed
to
it
being
older
or
it
being
a
factory?
B
Come
you
know,
factory
made
that
way.
Do
you
happen
to
have
that
information
in
DC
Champlin.
K
I,
don't
I
don't
have
the
specific
data
to
it.
I
do
know
that
in
talking
with
Hal
hypnot,
see
with
the
Municipal
Court
I
do
know
that
it's
not
uncommon
for
when
a
muffler
allowed
muscle
or
citation
is
issued
for
there
also
to
be
a
reckless
driving
citation
issue
or
a
racing
citation
issued
or
a
speeding
citation
issued.
So
it's
not
uncommon
to
see
those
together,
but
I
wouldn't
know
the
specific
data
on
that.
Not
even
anecdotally.
B
And
I'm
I'm
curious
if
we
have
that
anywhere,
and
so
maybe
that's
just
another
thing
that
we
can
be
digging
into
over
the
next
couple
weeks
is
we're
trying
to
refine
this
and
then
in
terms
of
their
normally
being
a
separate
citation,
and
usually
those
are
citations
that
sound
a
little
bit
more
like
reckless
driving
to
me
so
racing
speeding
Etc.
K
I
would
say
more
often
than
not
it's
probably
probably
because
and
I'm
just
and
going
for
my
own
personal
experience
here,
like
Chief
Joy,
said
I.
Think
at
one
time
today,
when
I
used
to
be
a
real
police
officer
on
the
street,
not
in
an
office
is
generally
speaking,
it's
going
to
be
the
visual
of
seeing
the
offender
doing
whatever
behavior
that
they're
doing
that
are
putting
other
people
that
are
on
the
roadway
at
risk
and
as
a
result
of
that,
because
the
way
that
their
car
is
modified
or
whatever
may
be
happening.
K
They're,
speeding,
they're
driving,
reckless,
there's
a
lot
of
Muffler
involved
in
it,
and
a
lot
of
our
officers
know
how
strict
we
are
with
this
particular
topic.
So
I
would
I
would
expect
that's
why
you're
seeing
kind
of
both
coming
into
the
municipal
court
within
the
same
case
we'll
say
same
defendant.
B
Okay,
thank
you
and
that
that
kind
of
brings
me
more
to
a
comment
and
I
think
that
it
is
a
question
for
us
as
a
governing
body
to
really
grapple
with.
You
know,
Casey
Chaplin
earlier
you
had
mentioned,
you
know,
does
that
the
kind
of
Crime
and
Punishment
philosophy
you
know,
there's
a
crime.
There's
a
punishment
fit
the
crime
when
we
are
looking
at
our
fee
schedule
for
our
citations
with
this
change.
B
This
would
this
would
make
this
one
of
the
the
highest
fined
violations
so
higher
than
texting
while
driving
higher
than
going
35
miles
over
the
speed
limit,
which
is
at
200
I,
believe
that
your
first
DUI
is
100
running
a
red
light
is
25
driving
while
license
is
suspended,
is
25,
although
revoked
then
you're
going
to
300
to
500
and
so
I,
you
know
prohibited
activities
while
driving.
That's
the
you
know
texting
while
driving
is
at
200
and
I
think
that
this
is
a
really
interesting
conversation
for
us
to
have
around.
B
The
impact
of
these
different
behaviors
and
how
do
we
value
them
and
and
what
are
we,
what
are
we
saying
is
I
mean
because,
essentially
you
could
say
it's
worse
to
do
these
other
things,
if
we
really,
if
the
philosophy
is
that
a
higher
fine
is
going
to
deter
people
from
doing
these,
these
different
behaviors
right
now
we're
saying
that
that
modified
Muffler
and
noise
is
worse
than
drinking
and
driving
drinking
and
driving,
and
what
that
what
the
impact
is
on
Public,
Safety
I
would
agree,
though,
with
with
kind
of
this
comments
why
it
makes
it
such
a
complex
issue
that
this
does
actually
really
negatively
impact
a
lot
of
people's
quality
of
life.
C
B
It'd
be
Cerrillos
Road
to
Camino
Carlos
Ray
to
Governor
miles,
which
turns
into
Jaguar
Loop.
That
I
I
seem
to
hear
go
around
quite
frequently
about
11
o'clock
at
night,
most
evenings
in
the
summer.
When
I
have
my
windows
open,
so
you
know
it's.
Definitely
it's
a
city-wide
issue.
We
see
it
downtown.
It
really
is
causing
a
lot
of
problems
for
a
lot
of
individuals.
B
There
are
people
with
PTSD
I've,
also
I,
know
we've
heard
from
people
who
have
issues
with
hearing
and
that
it
can
really
impact
them
that
you
know
kind
of
that.
Auditory
stimulation
coming
in
can
be
really
disruptive
and
so
how
we
figure
out
what
the
what
the
balance
is
in
terms
of
really
fixing
the
problem
and
again.
This
is
why
I'm
really
interested
in
that
Fix-It
ticket
and
DC
Champlin
I
really
appreciate
it
in
our
conversation
earlier
about
you
know,
what's
this,
how
does
this
start
to
escalate?
B
B
This
actually
might
be
a
question
for
councilor
Lee
Garcia.
You
might
be
able
to
answer
this.
Are
there
other
modifications
to
cars
that
make
them
excessively
loud?
That
we're
not
talking
about
I
mean
as
Mufflers?
Is
that
like
really
the
the
noise
Pinnacle
or
are
there
other
things
that
we're
missing
that
maybe
we're
also
experiencing
in
Santa
Fe
right
now?
Well,.
E
I
mean
in
regards
to
to
vehicles
and
modifications
to
to
their
exhaust
systems.
Mufflers
I
mean
in
this
in
the
in
the
bill.
It
refers
to
Street
pipes,
it
refers
to
Glass
packs.
It
refers
to
cherry
bombs.
Every
refers
to
a
lot
of
different
devices
that
change
the
way
a
vehicle
sounds,
and
so
you
know
it's
as
simple
as
removing
the
heads
off
of
your
engine,
and
now
you
have
a
vehicle
that
sounds
like
a
race
car
and
well.
E
Maybe
we
should
have
a
race
track
somewhere
or
a
drag
strip
sanctioned
by
the
Sydney
so
I.
You
know
I
I,
appreciate
involving
me
in
that
question
and
answer
session
right
there
and,
and
you
know,
going
back
to
to
noise
there.
There
are
many
many
things
that
you
can
do
to
a
vehicle
too.
E
To
make
it
louder
and-
and
there
is
are
so
many
aftermarket
modifications
that
you
can
buy
that
are
either
take
it
to
somebody
or
you
can
order
full
exhaust
systems
and
just
bolt
them
on
and
bolt
them
off.
You
can
actually
do
them
yourself,
which
is
not
that
difficult.
If
you
have,
you
know
the
ability
to
do
so,
and
and
and
so
again,
that's
where
I
think
this
conversation
in
regards
to
how
how
modifying
your
vehicle
ties
into
the
public
safety
aspect
of
communism.
E
You
know
not
not
ex
trying
not
to
exclude
the
car
clubs
that
are
so
I
mean
we
have
car
shows
downtown
and
a
lot
of
those
cars
are
may
not
meet
the
specifications
and
so
I
I
think
those
are
just.
You
know.
I
I
really
think
it
would
be
very
beneficial
to
bring
in
some
automotive
shops
that
do
this,
so
they
can
give
their
two
cents
in
regards
to.
E
B
Yeah,
thank
you
so
much
I
appreciate
you.
You
having
that
Insight
on
this
and
being
able
to
add
that
to
this
committee's
discussion,
I
guess
the
other
piece
is
that,
could
somebody
have
a
modified
Muffler
that
modifies
it
in
such
a
way
that
it
is
not.
B
B
There
really
is
a
lot
of
this
exploration
that
we
need
to
be
looking
at
and
bringing
in
a
lot
of
these
different
communities
to
really
fully
understand
what
is
going
on
so
I
think
with
that
we've
we've
had
a
pretty
robust
conversation.
If
nobody
else
has
anything,
I
would
move
to
postpone
this
item
until
the
October.
B
Yes,
so
to
postpone
this
item
until
the
October
19th
quality
of
life
committee
meeting,
does
there
have?
Is
there
a
second
to
that
motion.
B
A
You,
madam
chair
councilor,
Lee
Garcia,
brought
up
bringing
the
auto
mechanics
Community
to
the
table.
I
would
also
recommend
bringing
the
auto
dealerships,
as
well
as
the
motorcycle
dealerships,
a
lot
of
the
time
I
today
when
I
hear
a
loud
whizzing
by
a
vehicle.
It's
a
it's
a
street
bike
and
I'm,
not
a
street
biking,
expert
I,
don't
know
if
those
are
modified
or
if
those
are
those
come
stock,
and
that's
where
I
think
bringing
these
specific
dealerships
to
the
table
can
tell
us.
This
is
how
we
sell
a
market.
B
You
so
much
Kira.
Thank
you.
Dc
Champlin
for
being
here
really
really
appreciate
the
conversation
and
the
insight
and
all
the
data,
and
it
will
continue
so
we
look
forward
to
seeing
you
in
a
couple
of
weeks.
B
C
B
Wonderful,
any
Matters
from
the
committee
Matters
from
the
chair
I
just
want
to
thank
everybody
for
for
the
conversation
and
really
working
on
this
kind
of
new
process
where
we
hold
it
and
the
Committees
work
on
it.
I
think
that
this
was
a
a
great
experiment
in
how
this
works.
So
just
thank
you
all
for
the
conversation
next
meeting
is
Wednesday
October
19th
and
with
that
at
7
18.
We
are
adjourned.