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I'd
like
to
call
to
order
today,
Monday
August,
8th
public
hearing
for
the
city
of
Tampa's,
Architectural
Review
commission
welcome
everyone,
I'm
Susan,
Klaus,
Smith
and
I
am
the
chair
of
the
commission.
If
you're
here
to
present
a
project,
you
will
have
limited
time
to
make
your
presentations,
so
we
suggest
being
thorough
but
concise.
When
coming
to
the
microphone,
you
will
need
to
identify
yourself
and
your
relationship
to
the
project.
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The
Commissioners
will
not
ask
any
questions
during
your
presentation
and
your
project
should
be
presented
in
the
following
order:
the
site
plan,
the
elevations,
architectural
details
and
wall
sections
staff
will
then
present
their
staff
report,
and
we
will
then
ask
for
public
comment
following
your
presentation.
The
Commissioners
will
be
asking
questions
in
the
same
order
as
the
presentation
when
coming
up
to
the
podium.
Please
State
and
spell
your
name
clearly,
if
you're
here
to
speak
for
against
a
project,
your
tie
will
be
limited
to
three
minutes.
So
take
some
time
now.
A
To
summarize
your
comments,
because
three
minutes
goes
by
very
quickly
following
the
public
comment,
the
applicant
will
have
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
Public
hearing
will
then
be
closed
and
the
only
comments
which
will
be
allowed
after
the
public
hearing
is
closed
will
be
in
response
to
any
questions
from
the
commissioners.
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Please
remember:
the
arc
can
only
act
on
items
that
are
within
our
specific
jurisdictional
responsibility,
owners
and
or
agents
are
independently
responsible
to
obtain
any
appropriate
permits
and
or
approvals.
Now,
if
you
haven't
already
done
so,
please
do
silence
your
cell
phones
and
I'll.
Ask
my
fellow
Commissioners
to
introduce
themselves
starting
on
my
left.
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With
us
tonight
we
have
our
attorney
dating
Dana,
Crosby,
Collier,
sorry,
Alexis,
Guzman,
Ron,
Villa
and
Dennis
Fernandez.
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E
I
move
at
the
Architectural
Review
commission
public
hearing
meeting
minutes
for
Monday
July
10th;
no
for
yes,
July
10
2023
be
accepted
as
presented.
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Good
evening,
Commissioners
Dennis,
Fernandez
architecture,
review
and
historic
preservation
manager
welcome
to
this
evening's
public
hearing
both
to
you
and
to
our
applicants
in
the
public.
Just
a
couple
minor
issues
to
go
over
I
do
have
the
July
2023
Arc
staff
approvals
to
enter
into
the
record.
We
will
provide
those
to
the
clerk.
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Additionally,
we
will
be
holding
the
second
segment
of
our
August
public
hearings,
this
Wednesday
at
5
30
PM.
So
we
have
a.
We
still
have
a
part
of
the
agenda
to
deal
with
later
this
week
with
that
we'll
move
into
conflicts
of
interest
and
ex
parte
communication
and
I'll
ask
our
legal
counsel
to
lead
that
discussion.
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F
Thank
you.
Moving
on.
We
do
have
three
continuations
that
we
have
to
deal
with
this
evening.
We
have
to
have
separate
motions
on
these
so
beginning
with
the
first
one.
It's
Arc
23-180
slash,
t-a-c-p-a
23-05
for
the
property
at
110
East
Oak,
Avenue,
1813,
North,
Franklin,
Street,
1708,
North,
Florida,
Avenue,
1905,
North,
Florida,
Avenue,
1909,
North,
Florida
Avenue.
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Move
to
continue
Arc
23-204
at
2809,
North,
Central
Avenue
to
the
Monday
October
2
2023
public
hearing
at
5,
30
pm.
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You
next
we'll
move
on
to
the
swearin
anyone
who's
going
to
be
providing
testimony
or
giving
public
comment
this
evening,
including
staff.
If
you
would
please
stand
and
raise
your
right
hand
for
the
swearing.
I
J
J
The
zoning
attached
to
the
parcel
is
rs60.
The
request
is
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
new
construction,
for
an
accessory
structure
with
site
improvements.
The
square
footage
of
the
accessory
structure
is
approximately
900
square
foot,
which
is
within
the
allowment.
Under
the
zoning
classification.
J
Moving
to
the
photo
presentation,
property
in
question
is
highlighted
in
the
green
parcel.
It
is
a
corner
parcel
it's
on
the
corner
of
ChatOn
and
Fremont.
There
is
an
alley
that
runs
to
the
rear
and
you
see
the
the
fabric
that
was
associated
with
this
parcel,
and
this
reflects
the
inventory
in
1929.
J
Going
to
the
photo
essay,
this
is
looking
at
the
primary
structure
when
this
first
came
in
and
we
were
dealing
with
the
the
current
owners.
The
building
was
in
a
deteriorated
State
they've
work
with
our
office
many
times
and
brought
the
building
back
to
its
its
luster.
So
this
is
the
front
elevation
which
faces
Jatan.
You
see
some
of
the
character
defining
features
here
with
the
overhangs,
the
barge
rafter,
the
gable
vent
and
the
trim
around
the
windows.
J
This
is
looking
at
the
west
elevation.
You
see
some
pair
windows
and
some
single
windows
with
the
lap
siding
just
looking
at
some
of
the
inventory
on
that
block.
This
is
a
budding
to
the
West,
which
is
also
a
contributing
structure
going
back
to
the
subject
site.
This
is
the
front
elevation
and
then
looking
at
the
East
Elevation.
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J
J
This
is
looking
at
the
existing
non-contributing
accessory
structure.
That's
associated
with
this
parcel.
You
see
the
setback
from
the
property
line
from
the
secondary
Street
and
then
the
setback
from
the
alley
going
back
to
the
primary
structure.
This
is
part
of
the
addition
and
just
getting
the
relationship
of
everything
on
site.
This
is
the
the
back
of
the
primary
structure.
This
is
the
location
of
the
Outhouse,
now
the
the
accessory
structure
and
then
the
location
of
the
pool.
So
that
concludes
the
photo
presentation.
This
time,
I'll
have
the
agent
addresses
at
the
board,
Mr
Lloyd.
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Good
evening
Commissioners
Jim
Lloyd
Lloyd,
with
Lloyd
Craftsman,
representing
the
homeowners,
the
wagamens
at
1802,
West
Jatan
Avenue,
we're
proposing
a
construction
of
a
900
square
foot
accessory
structure,
site
plan
here
and
just
address
a
couple
of
the
comments
that
were
under
the
conditions,
which
was
correcting
the
directions
that
Cardinal
on
the
drawings,
which
is
north
Fremont,
runs
north
south.
So
we're
good
there.
K
There
is
an
existing
fence,
a
six
foot
tall
fence
that
I'll
show
you
a
picture
of
later
that
does
encroach
on
the
setback,
so
that'll
be
moved
back
around
the
right
away.
So
that'll
move
back
over
to
the
property
line.
K
There
will
also
be
an
angled
portion
of
the
fence
for
visibility
when
the
when
somebody's
coming
out
of
the
driveway.
That
way,
that
was
a
transportation
request.
We
will
provide
scoring
there's
currently
scoring
on
the
the
sidewalk
that
will
be
matched
on
the
driveway.
You've
got
three
and
a
half
foot
setback
to
allow
for
the
eaves.
K
K
K
Moving
on
to
the
elevations,
this
is
going
to
be
the
front
elevation.
That's
going
to
be
facing
Fremont.
Those
are
Clopay
Coachman
doors.
There
was
a
comment
about
the
a
center
mullion
on
the
on
the
door
being
a
little
wider.
I
think
you
all
are
familiar
with
the
Clopay
doors.
The
Coachman
series
that
are
a
good
representation
fits
the
the
neighborhood.
Well
siding
on
the
home
is
going
to
be.
A
six
inch
reveal
sighting.
It
is
going
to
be
Hardie
board,
the
siding
and
the
trim
will
match
what
the
existing
home
is.
K
As
far
as
exposure
and
dimensions
same
thing
up
trim
on
the
windows,
it
was
also
requested
that
we
add
a
cover
over
the
man
door.
On
the
first
floor,
which
we
did
matching
limitations,
there's
a
Max,
22
foot,
six
height
elevation.
This
is
22
foot
three
and
70s
there.
K
K
This
photo
here
shows
the
existing
fence.
This
is
a
six
foot
board
on
board
PT
fence
that
was
stained.
This
is
going
to
continue
to
be
the
same
fence,
we're
just
going
to
move
that
back
into
the
yard
so
that
it
meets
the
requirements
for
the
setback
and
then
we're
going
to
clip
that
corner
so
that
as
they're
backing
out
of
the
garage
there
won't
be
any
issues
with
slate
lines.
K
Foreign
this
photo
shows
another
accessory
structure.
We've
done
in
the
past,
similar
details
as
far
as
representation
of
garage
door.
That's
a
Clopay
Coachman
door,
that's
the
same
plaster
door
that
we're
going
to
be
proposing
for
the
the
man
door
on
the
first
floor
and
the
second
floor
shows
some
window
layouts.
K
Here's
the
fence,
detail
that
we
discussed.
These
are
actually
going
to
be
four
by
four,
not
six
by
six.
But
then
these
are.
This
is
kind
of
the
typical
railing
that
we
normally
do
in
Hyde
Park,
which
is
a
two
by
four
vertical
picket,
with
two
by
four
space
and
then
two
by
four
top
and
bottom
rails,
with
a
two
by
six
handrail.
K
The
and
the
casing.
K
K
It's
a
it's
a
true
three
quarter
inch
bead
board
two
by
sixes
small
drip
edge.
If
there's
ventilation
we'll
do
some
bird
blocking
ventilation,
if
necessary,.
K
K
K
K
K
That's
the
existing
the
main
house
overhang
currently,
so
you
can
see
some
of
these
were
replaced
with
just
one
bias,
but
the
main
portion
of
the
house
is
a
bead
board
with
extended
rafter
Tails
exposed
rafter
tails,
so
it'll
be
a
similar
design
to
that.
K
This
is
a
plastpro
dfr
3C.
This
is
the
the
door
that
I
showed
you
in
the
other
photograph,
so
two
panel
below
with
glass
above
very
similar,
you
know
contributing
style
to
the
neighborhood.
We
think
this
is
a
nice
historic
style.
We
used
it
on
several
of
the
other
accessory
structures,
we've
built
and
there's
a
blow
up
of
the
detail
of
the
Clopay
Coachman
door
with
the
wider
Styles
and
then
we'll
put
some
added
handles
on
there
to
make
it
look
a
little
bit
more
historic.
K
The
existing
house,
let's
see
so
on
the
conditions
as
far
as
I
showed
you,
the
Cardinal
drawing
or
the
cardinal
direction,
was
corrected.
The
visor
over
the
man
door
was
completed.
We
talked
about
the
details
of
the
fencing
height
location,
with
pictures
in
the
site
plan.
The
scoring
pattern
on
the
driveway
will
be
consistent
with
the
neighborhood
showed
some
drawings
of
the
railing
gable
vent
and
window
casings
the
garage
door.
We
discussed
the
Clopay
Coachman,
the
design
exception
is
Administrative,
that's
within
the
height
requirements.
K
So
this
this
window,
we
had
originally
offset
because
there's
a
bathroom
right
here,
so
the
clients
agreed
that
they
would
be
okay
if
we
centered
this
for
architectural
just
to
have
this
little
look
a
little
better,
fenestration
wise,
so
they
they
were
okay
with
centering
that
window.
So
we
did
take
care
of
that
went
over
the
site
plan
wall
sections.
K
We
talked
about
roof
materials,
overhang
materials
wall
finish
the
foundation
is,
is
not
applicable,
it's
a
slab
on
grade,
so
we
won't
have
any
finishes
on
the
foundation:
doors,
windows,
garage
doors,
trim,
material,
hardware
and
lighting.
We
discussed
so
I
believe
that
covers
all
of
our
requirements.
Thank
you.
J
Good
afternoon
Commissioners
Ron
villam
staff
with
historic
preservation
staff.
Finding
that
this
new
accessory
structure
is
consistent
with
a
Hyde
Park
design
guidelines.
We
review
the
plans
on
July
22nd,
whether
we're
submitted
and
uploaded
into
a
seller.
The
conditions
have
been
addressed
if
this
project
is
to
move
forward,
I
have
two
considerations.
One
is
that
the
design
exception
shall
go
forward.
J
There
is
an
extended
height
within
the
historic
districts
that
they
can
go
up
to
22
and
a
half
feet,
so
that
process
should
be
started
and
approved,
and
then
what
the
board
has
been
consistent,
improving
in
the
past
as
Hardy
Board
of
the
smooth
kind,
so
that
should
be
Illustrated
on
its
plans
and
I'm
here
to
answer
any
questions.
Thank.
A
B
We
did
we
have
seen
this
project
previously
in
a
under
a
somewhat
under
somewhat
different
circumstances,
and
there
was
a
really
nice
door,
a
man
door,
going
into
that
existing
structure.
It
appears
to
have
that
the
the
one
that
you're
that
you're
going
to
demolish-
and
it
appears
to
be
one
that
perhaps
came
from
the
original
House.
K
B
B
B
B
And
my
only
comment-
and
this
is
only
a
comment-
a
I
just
wish-
to
raise
a
possibility.
The
two
small
Windows
one
is
in
a
kitchen,
I
believe
or
a
small.
B
B
This
home
has
a
fair
variety
of
different
windows
and
the
windows
on
the
sort
of
pop-up
second
floor
are
slightly
different.
It
seems
to
me,
like
there
is
perhaps
an
opportunity
to
do
something,
perhaps
a
little
more
playful
than
these
two
small
small,
Windows,
okay,
I,
think
that's
something
for
you
in
the
in
your
client.
M
D
K
Yeah,
typically,
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
put
a
piece
of
hearty
panel
smooth
Hardy
panel
on
the
plywood
first
and
then
build
the
and
paint
that
black
and
then
build
that
frame
around
it,
because,
typically
with
this
like
this
will
have
a
vaulted
ceiling
up
there.
This
won't
be
an
actual
vent,
but
it'll
represent
the
style
of
what's
on
okay,.
D
And
then
structure,
you
heard
the
comment
regarding
the
Hardy
siding.
Are
you
good
with
the
smooth?
Yes.
K
K
It's
under
this,
it's
under
the
stairs
and
they're
in
the
backyard
of
the
property.
I'm
sure
that
we
could
add
something
around
it.
We
could
do
a
little
bit
of
screening,
something
similar.
Maybe
to
what
the
event
is.
You
know
we've
done
some
lattice
work
around
it.
There's
a
couple
of
details
like
that.
We
use
under
the
houses
over
there
that
we
could
probably
use
something
on.
E
K
E
Typically,
an
accessory
structure
is,
is
differentiated
in
any
one
of
a
number
of
different
ways
as
a
not
so
much
as
a
diminishment,
but
as
a
minor
status.
It
conjunction
to
it's
a
a
main
dwelling
on
the
site.
Have
you
had
an
opportunity
to
discuss
with
your
client
a
the
use
of
a
different
exposure,
wider
or
narrower.
E
Because
in
in
this
name
in
this
neighborhood
this
historic
district,
there
is
a
great
deal
of
variation
between
what
is
done
for
an
accessory
structure
and
one
that
is
then.
What
would
you
see
for
your
primary
and
you
are
using
as
small
as
this
is
a
lot
of
the
details.
You've
got
the
eaves.
You've
got
the
vent,
so
you've
got
the
window
surrounds
the
door
surrounds,
so
there's
not
a
whole
lot
left
to
make
that
differentiation
actually
happen.
E
D
K
Can
I
respond
to
that?
That
was
from
the
original
plans
that
we
had
submitted.
There
was
a
discrepancy
on
the
July
27th
plans
that
we
submitted.
We
corrected
that,
so
it's
it's
20..
The
building
itself
is
22
foot,
3
and
5
8
and
that's
consistent
across
the
the
plans
that
have
been
submitted.
Thank
you
against
that
point.
Yes,
sir.
G
K
E
C
They
got
the
the
original
structure
declared
as
non-contributing
as
opposed
that
helps
a
lot
not
having
to
demo
helps
a
lot.
Yeah
I
think
I
think
the
project
is,
is
just
it's
a
nice
little
correct
well
done
with
the
suggestions.
I
think
it
would
be
a
good
addition
to
the
neighborhood
I.
L
D
N
B
23-122
for
the
property
located
at
1802,
West,
ChatOn
Avenue,
with
the
following
conditions
that
screening
be
added
for
the
for
the
condensing
unit
of
the
air
conditioning
system
and
that
smooth
siding
be
used
because,
based
upon
the
finding
of
fact,
the
proposed
project
is
consistent
with
the
Hyde
Park
historic
district
design,
design,
guidelines
of
the
city
of
Tampa.
For
the
following
reasons.
D
E
D
B
That
the
deciding
shall
be
smooth
that
they
that
the
applicant
will
consider
narrower
siding
and
a
narrow,
siding
exposure
that
perhaps
does
not
match
that
of
the
existing
building
and
that
they
must
secure
the
required
design
exemption
for
the
height
of
the
structure.
J
J
The
underlying
zoning
is
rm24,
which
means
it
can
be
multi-family
which
it
currently
was
when
this
current
owner
purchased
it,
and
he
is
changing
it
back
to
single
family.
It
is
residential
in
nature.
Moving
forward,
the
request
is
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
an
addition
to
the
primary
structure,
with
site
improvements.
J
J
Looking
the
the
addition
to
the
historic
Fabric
in
the
district
was
Deleon
to
Boulevard
and
going
up
so
these
structures
in
here
became
part
of
the
historic
district
of
Hyde
Park,
the
neighborhood
reached
out
to
us.
They
thought
that
there
was
enough
Fabric
in
here.
We
went
through
the
process,
it
went
forward
and
ultimately
it's
in
front
of
you
today,
so
looking
at
the
vicinity
map
to
give
you
a
little
better
understanding
of
that.
J
Once
again
is
Deleon
to
Boulevard
and
up
that
was
outside
of
the
district,
and
now
it's
part
of
the
district
you
see
it
is
incorporated
into
the
red
line,
which
indicates
the
local
historic
district
property
in
question
is
right.
Here.
It's
on
Newport
you'll
see
a
large
structure
to
the
north.
That
was
a
school,
and
currently
it
is,
it
underwent
an
Adaptive
reuse
and
it's
part
of
the
fabric
of
Hyde
Park
and
just
to
the
South
there
was
a
non-contributing
Structure
there.
J
J
J
J
That's
why
the
inventory
reached
out
to
us
and
it
stated
that
it
was
meeting
of
the
designation.
This
is
looking
at
the
back
of
the
structure.
J
O
O
It
was
utilized
as
a
multi-family
where
it
had
apartment
on
the
second
level,
with
a
kitchenette
and
downstairs
pretty
small
kitchen
with
a
bedroom
and
an
office
and
we've
when
I
bought
I
was
single
and
fast
forward
over
10
years
married
and
now
have
a
two-year-old
and
now
I
have
a
kid
and
I
have
my
family,
my
wife's
family
from
Chicago
who
visits
and
I
have
my
family
from
New
York,
who
visit
so
we've
been
building
this
home
throughout.
It
was
never
in
Hyde
Park.
O
So
the
first
thing
what
I
did
when
I
bought
the
house
is
I,
wanted
a
pool,
I
put
it
on
the
south
portion,
because
it's
a
sunnier
side,
stupid
idea,
because
reality
I'm
limited
now
what
I
was
going
to
do
and
then
we
built
the
we're
trying
to
find
storage
and
we
built
a
mother-in-law
Suite
right
around
2020
and
instead
of
making
it
a
garage,
we
decided
to
kind
of
leave
that
as
a
little
storage
on
the
first
floor
with
a
multi
with
a
apartment
on
the
second
floor,
because
we
didn't
want
to
lose
yard
Space
by
having
the
amount
of
turn
radius
required
for
the
alley.
O
O
So
with
that
being
said,
the
goal
for
us
is
that
we
have
a
1700
square
foot
primary
home
and
we
really
needed
to
get
it
a
little
bit
larger,
really
to
fit
a
couple
of
additional
bedrooms
upstairs
and
expand
upon
the
kitchen
space
that
we
could.
You
know
enjoy
more
than
having
one
person
in
the
kitchen
circling
around
that
kitchen
so
and
we
love
the
neighborhood.
We've
been
a
part
of
it.
We
love
how
the
proximity
to
downtown,
so
we've
continued
to
improve
this
property
since
we
purchased
it.
O
The
neighborhood
has
continued
to
turn
into
a
more
family-centric
our
next
door.
Neighbor
is
McKinley
with
air
conditioning
units
that
face
our
pool
and
we're
great
neighbors
trying
to
improve
it
and
make
this
a
family
home
and
we're
trying
not
to
move
and
not
have
to
buy
a
different
home
to
fit
our
needs.
O
So
these
are
the
existing
Newport
home.
Some
of
the
photos
that
Ron
shared
I'll
make
that
quick.
We
met
with
the
intention
of
going
into
the
to
the
left
to
McKinley.
We
wanted
to
preserve
our
backyard
for
our
family
and
our
kids,
and
we
thought
that
if
we
could
move
to
the
left
a
bit,
that
would
give
us
a
more
of
a
box,
so
we
could
fit
everything
we
wanted.
You
know
the
first
thing
we
saw
Jonathan
pope
from
it.
You
know
for
an
attorneys,
maybe
seeking
a
variance.
O
We
don't
really
have
time
for
variance.
We
want
to
be
good
neighbors.
We
want
to
conform
to
the
neighborhood.
We
want
to
do
those
right
things,
so
this
box
to
the
left
that
you're
seeing
was
our
vision.
Really
we
don't
park
cars
in
that
carport
that
carport
doesn't
fit
our
cars
and
we
don't
use
that
side
alley,
because
it's
not
real
estate,
because
we
don't
have
a
car
and
we
don't
drive
into
a
garage
apartment
because
our
mother-in-law
suites
on
the
right.
So
all
those
things
have
transitioned
us
into
some
other
ideas.
O
So
we
proposed
that
we've
made
revisions
and
we've
met
with
Ron's
team
and
they've,
been
super
helpful
in
giving
us
guidance
and
then
on
the
June
19th
Zoom
meeting.
They
said
it
was
consistent
with
the
IRC
and
they
gave
us
the
good
scope
of
ideas
that
we
think
meet.
What
we're
trying
to
do,
which
those
conditions
where
we
were
trying
to
expand
upon
on
that
second
level,
to
give
ourselves
a
little
bit
more
real
estate
for
that
bedroom
upstairs,
which
is
real
tight.
O
We
had
some
window
placements
that
were
multiple
sizes
in
different
locations,
and
we,
you
know,
wanted
to
make
sure
that
it
was
ABC
window
and
consistent
and
we
wanted
to
make
sure
some
of
those
details
met
the
historic,
but
also
everything
that
we
were
doing
on
our
addition,
which
is
a
little
different
right.
So
we
understood
that
our
plan,
and
hopefully
we
can
share
it.
O
So
I
took
the
time
to
go
through
the
neighborhood,
which
we
do
all
the
time
we
have
dogs
and
we
walk
this
neighborhood
and
the
intent
was
to
kind
of
create
this
crucifix
concept,
which
isn't
unusual
to
the
neighborhood
and
one
that
I
believe
the
staff
thought
would
be
supportive
of
our
narrative
where
we're
not
really
changing
the
front
of
the
property.
It
should
be
not
noticeable
from
the
street
and
the
the
work
that
we're
trying
to
achieve
is
in
the
back.
O
So
several
examples
in
a
neighborhood
to
Showcase
that
what
we
are
doing
is
consistent
with
what
is
out
there
in
the
neighborhood
and
could
have
taken
photos
pretty
much
all
day,
but
I'll
stop
at
that,
and
for
our
final
showcase
here
you
know
we
think
we've
addressed
the
conditions.
We've
met
that
front
historic
elevation,
we're
clear
what
is
historic
and
what
is
subordinate
and
really
trying
to
get
this
1700
square
foot
into
about
25
2600
square
feet
in
a
respectable
can
retained
way
also
trying
to
keep
it
budget
friendly
at
the
same
time.
O
So
with
that
being
said,
you
can
see
to
the
left,
is
our
existing
to
the
right
is
proposed?
So
there
is
a
tail
at
the
back
of
the
property
which
conforms
around
the
the
pool
deck
and
gives
a
little
buffering
from
that
two-story
while
being
respectful
to
the
left
hand,
side
carport
side,
which
is
also
moving.
We
have
an
AC
unit
that
sits
in
the
middle
of
the
carport.
O
Is
a
package
unit
we're
likely
going
to
have
to
have
air
conditioning
on
that
second
level,
so
all
that
equipment
is
is
relocated
to
the
south
portion
of
the
house.
Away
from
that
that
eyesight
then
from
there,
you
can
see
our
proposed
right
hand,
side,
that's
what
we're
living
in
today.
So
toddlers
in
that
Den
we're
in
that
owner
Suite.
O
The
kitchen
does
not
work
for
us
and
so
the
left
hand
side
is
our
proposed,
where
we
do
have
this
larger
family
room
to
gather
the
dining
the
living
in
the
den
all
kind
of
stay
consistent
and
now
that
side
stairs
we
don't
use,
because
that
is,
for
you
know,
apartment
dweller
who
would
come
in
and
then
the
the
actual
stair
Landing
is
too
short
to
actually
bring
couch
Furniture
up.
So
the
whole
stair
configuration
is
being
modified
coming
out
from
the
other
side.
O
So
that's
going
to
open
up
a
little
bit
of
storage
in
that
dense
study
and
then
the
pool
deck
there's
a
back
bath
which
I
think
plays
really
well
towards
the
pool
and
those
are
French
doors
and
doors
that
are
consistent
with
the
historic
nature.
To
get
outside
from
there
are
upstairs,
you
can
see
the
airplane
style
Loft
up
to
the
right,
so
the
stairs
come
up
to
this
Loft
space.
That
was
a
kitchenette
completely
removed.
We
don't
utilize
it
in
any
functional
capacity.
Just
because
of
its
space.
O
We
have
two
bedrooms
to
the
left
and
right,
which
is
currently
a
guest
in
a
baby
room,
pet
AC
units
that
are
in
the
windows
and
stays
pretty
hot
up
there
most
times
of
the
year,
and
so
we
have
a
proposed
plan
to
the
left
which
keeps
that
bedroom
three.
It
actually
feels
like
it's
smaller
in
nature,
but
it
is
consistent.
We're
not
modifying
that
from
the
size
of
the
front
elevation.
We've
pushed
back
bathtub
and
bedroom
two
as
far
back
as
possible.
O
We've
added
windows
so
from
the
front
of
the
appearance,
you're
going
to
see
that
we've
left
the
existing
windows
on
bedroom.
Three:
we've
added
windows
on
the
walk-in
closet
for
the
appearance,
the
owner's
Suite
kind
of
comes
through
the
middle,
which
gives
us
another
option
of
the
walk-in
closet
to
the
left,
because
the
bedroom
two
closets
a
little
small,
and
then
we
have
Windows
on
the
owner
suite
and
the
soaking
tub
modifies
what
my
wife
needs
and
I
think
the
claw
is
good
enough
for
what
we
can
do
here
is
the
roof
lineage.
O
You
will
note,
there's
a
small
little
pop-up
in
the
center
area,
I
believe
just
for
our
intake
that
we
really
have
to
modify
the
stair
and
the
stair
in
the
landing
to
really
meet.
You
know
code
in
general,
so
trying
to
leverage
that
space
to
the
side
to
give
ourselves
a
little
bit
more
cushion,
and
now
we
have
the
proposed
front
elevation
and
the
proposed
so
on.
The
bottom
left
is
the
proposed
front.
O
You
can
see
the
beautiful
nature
of
the
windows
on
the
crucifix,
the
existing
windows
on
the
front,
we're
taking
the
opportunity
to
improve
the
front
door.
Currently,
you
know
when
it's
humid
those
doors
don't
open.
It's
like
my
mother-in-law
cannot
get
outside
currently,
which
would
lock
her
in
there,
which
is
good,
but
we
wanted
to
kind
of
give
that
kind
of
that
glass
appearance
on
the
sides
and
make
something
a
little
bit
more
grandiose,
because
we
feel
that
the
house
is
becoming.
You
know
much
more
substantial
to
the
neighborhood
and
then
the
back
side.
O
You
know
we,
we
are
completely
trying
to
expand
upon
the
not
the
apartment
side,
but
to
the
left.
That's
where
that
Wing
to
the
bathroom
is
and
allows
people
to
come
in
and
out
from
the
back
and
then
that
kitchen
living
space
kind
of
has
those
French
doors
leading
out
and
you'll.
Note
that
there's
windows
on
every
direction,
they're
consistently,
you
know
ABC,
so
the
big
ones
below
are
already
existing.
The
two
bigger
ones
on
the
front
elevation
are
existing,
so
you're
only
seeing
two
new
windows
shown
in
the
side.
O
O
I'm
just
paint
you
know
painted
over
vinyl
below
it
is
wood
that
Ron
promised
me
that
all
the
wood
would
be
perfect
and
I
don't
have
to
make
any
changes.
I,
don't
I
took
a
tape
measure,
it
seems
like
they're
actually
different,
but
our
intent
is
that
the
back
portion
of
the
property
is
still
wood
and
it's
a
different
width
and
sizing
than
the
existing.
O
So
we've
noted
that
as
six
inches,
while
the
front
kind
of
looks
like
it's
more
towards
eight
inches
but
the,
but
to
be
quite
Frank,
there
may
be
some
variables,
but
we
will
I'm
hoping
when
we
get
going
on
construction.
We
can
work
with
your
team
and
everyone
seem
to
make
sure
it's
perfectly
consistent
with
what
you
guys
are
looking
for
the
windows
details
as
well.
We
put
we
put
brand
new
windows
in
in
2020.
They
are
high
impact.
O
They
have
that
three
prong
they're
bronzing
facing
so
any
of
the
windows
to
our
Edition
are
going
to
be
that
single
hung
versus
that
three
style
Colonial.
So
you
can
kind
of
see
the
differences
on
this
elevation
between
what
existed,
although
it
existed
in
2020
versus.
O
What's
existing,
potentially
in
2024
from
the
detail,
the
crawl
space
as
well
is
currently
brick
and
we
are
modifying
that
to
be
this
painted
style,
lattice
material
that
will
really
showcase
the
difference
between
what
is
existing
in
our
new
proposal
and
then
the
staircases
I
believe
they
will
be
exactly
the
intent
is
to
marry
that
I.
Don't
think,
there's
any
difference
material
that
we
could
quantify
to
make
it
different,
but
the
intent
is
that
it's
a
wood
railing
that
very
much
you
know.
O
We
have
that
top
picture
there
that
matches
that
exact
style
in
a
wood
nature
the
roofs
will
be
shingle,
which
will
be
you
know
new,
but
it'll
be
the
existing's
already
shingles,
so
that'll
have
a
consistent.
Look
throughout
the
accessory
structure.
O
Is
a
Hardy
board
material
on
concrete
block
with
shingles,
so
there
there's
a
distinct
difference
between
that
accessory
structure
and
our
single-family
home
structure,
and
probably
just
really
trying
to
carry
out
all
the
existing
architectural
details
with
the
Raptor
Tails
and
those
details
and
and
the
undercarriage
of
the
home
and
so
materials.
You
know
we
reference
the
roof,
shingle,
the
overhang
materials
Rafters
office.
Fascia,
we're
you
know.
The
goal
is
here
to
restore
the
original
design
intentions
and
as
much
as
you
guys
would
like
us
to
do
the
exterior
wall.
O
You
know
we
reference
kind
of
that
that
wood
exposure
we
understand
what
the
goal
is
is
that
the
new
additional
is
subordinate
to
the
existing
it's
vinyl.
Once
we
rip
off
all
the
vinyl,
we
understand
all
the
details
around
what
existing
on
the
wood
we
are
going
to
either
go
probably
on
a
smaller
Dimension.
From
that
width
perspective,
the
this
brick
it's
just
and
then
the
existing's
Brick
we're
doing
a
stem
wall.
O
Black
the
doors
and
windows
will
very
much
be
likely
more
or
less
trying
to
conform
to
what
you
see
on
the
existing
home.
You
know
we
want.
We
put
a
sliding
glass
door,
not
a
sliding
glass,
it's
a
French
door.
It's
the
double
hung
window.
It's
a
glass
trim
materials
are
all
going
to
be
wood.
The
porch
materials
will
be
a
wood,
decking,
a
wood
rail
and
really
would
like
to
do
the
bronze
concept
with
all
of
the
with
all
the
fixtures
and
not
too
much
of
it.
So
here's
the
existing
window.
O
It
does
have
this.
That
is
staying,
that's
the
upstairs
window
and
there
is
kind
of
the
example
to
the
left
of
not
having
the
the
the
details
in
the
middle
and
then
on
the
bottom.
You
can
see
it's
a
vinyl,
it's
a
vinyl
material
that
comes
into
this
wood
frame
window
with
a
vinyl
wood
beam.
You
know
wood
chasing.
O
So
once
we
rip
all
this
vinyl
off
it'll
be
existing
wood
and
our
goal
will
be
to
kind
of
create
a
little
bit
of
a
uniqueness,
with
a
different
width
of
wood,
an
example
of
the
double
door
front,
not
that
this
is
the
exact
product,
but
we
would
work
with
your
team
on
identifying
what
you
feel
is
the
most
appropriate.
That's
the
French
door,
that's
a
single
door!
So
from
the
back,
we
have
a
single
door
that
leads
out
from
the
bathroom
and
then
there's
a
double
door
that
comes
out
from
the
living
room
space.
O
Some
details
right.
So
that's
underneath
the
vinyl
when
you
rip
it
out
so
when
I
bought
it
the
home
is
green.
We
changed
it
to
a
white.
Green
was
still
looking
good,
but
white
was
in
and
just
giving
you
some
images
of
what
the
what
that
looks
like
and
then
here's
on
the
upstairs
so
some
of
the
wood
and
the
existing
structure
likely
needs
replacement.
O
So
we're
going
to
go
through
that
process
with
you
guys
to
restore
the
home
as
much
as
possible,
make
it
something
we're
all
proud
of-
and
here
are
some
of
the
lighting
and
Hardware
again
really
kind
of
keeping
with
that
bronzing
concept
and
and
keeping
it
probably
consistent
with
what
we've
researched
in
the
craftsman
style
and
then
our
demo
plan.
This
should
be
not
not
really
affecting
the
existing
structure.
O
Obviously
we're
going
to
remove
the
vinyl
and
and
replace
structural
items
that
need
to
be
structural,
but
the
addition
is
all
focused
on
the
back
of
the
property.
So
it
should
be
respectful
of
what
the
existing
home
is
and
really
in
theory,
that
that
is
the
presentation.
Hopefully
I've
covered
as
much
as
I
can
again
I'm,
not
the
architect.
So
those
detailed
questions
that
you
guys
are
about
to
fly
around
me
I
will
do
my
best.
J
Commissioners
good
afternoon,
Ron
Villa
staff
for
the
historic
preservation
staff,
finding
that
this
application
is
consistent
with
the
Hyde
Park
design
guidelines.
We
review
the
plans
that
were
submitted
on
June
19
2023
in
working
with
the
memorial
family
early
on
I
I
think
it
was
apparent
through
his
presentation
that
they
came
in
with
a
different
footprint
and
then
now
working
with
the
standards
that
we
have
for
Hyde
Park.
He
modified
his
original
request
to
being
keeping
with
our
criteria.
There
were
a
couple
condition
and
bullet
items
that
that
were
addressed
this
evening.
J
There
was
one
that
I
wanted
just
to
call
out.
That's
identified
here.
I
believe
it
is
the
third
bullet
item
that
the
the
cockpit
on
the
second
floor.
They
had
an
addition
to
the
front
of
that,
which
is
something
that
we
try
to
stay
away
from.
We
try
to
do
the
additions
to
the
back
and
support
it
to
the
primary
structure,
so
that
has
been
removed.
Also,
the
footprint
of
the
building
was
inside
of
the
porter
Sharon
towards
the
rear
that
has
been
removed
and
been
allocated
in
different
places.
J
As
indicated
through
his
presentation
this
evening,
we
did
talk
about
the
placement
and
sizes
of
Windows.
If
you
notice
all
the
new
windows
are
one
over
one
Windows
to
distinguish
what's
original
and
what's
new,
so
that
is
Illustrated
on
the
drawings
as
you
go
through
each
elevation.
That
was
one
way
for
him
to
delineate.
There
is
also
a
bump
in
on
the
back
on
the
first
floor
on
both
sides.
I
believe
it
comes
in
six
to
eight
inches.
To
also
have
that
delineation
from
the
historic
footprint
to
the
addition.
J
I
think
the
largest
and
and
most
complicated
issue
that
we're
going
to
have
moving
forward
is
in
working
with
the
owner.
We're
going
to
peel
back
the
siding.
I
asked
them
to
expose
some
of
the
siding
that
was
under
the
vinyl
and
he
provided
some
referencing
this
evening,
but
I
think
as
he
gets
into
it.
We're
going
to
have
to
work
together
to
have
a
successful
project
as
well.
J
A
A
E
I'm,
just
going
to
throw
an
item
out,
I
understand
your
desire
for
differentiation
and
how
that
fits
with
your
discussions
with
staff
and
you've
decided
to
do
it
in
two
different
ways.
One
is
your
signing
exposure
and
one
is
your
window
profile.
If
you
want
to
call
it
that
I
think
that,
owing
to
the
fact
that
this
is
all
being
done
to
the
primary
structure,
have
you
considered
doing
only
one
of
those.
O
We
would
be
happy
to
do
just
one
of
them
honestly.
This
is
just
feedback
that
we
were
preparing
for
as
best
as
possible
for
your
meeting.
If
you
said
we'd
like
those
windows
to
be
consistent,
we'd
be
more
than
happy
to
do
it.
If
you
said
we'd
like
the
wood
detail
to
be
consistent,
we
would
do
that
as
well.
I
mean
we
under
it
certainly
understood
the
nature
of
the
historic
and
trying
to
showcase
the
differences
between
this
structure
and
the
existing.
We
are
well
receptive
to
a
consistency
in
any
of
those
options.
E
If
I
recall
correctly,
deciding
you're
approaching
here,
I
believe
is
Hardy
Board.
L
O
E
E
So
at
that
point,
let's
just
to
play
The
Devil's
Advocate,
if
you're
going
to
be
replacing
siding
on
an
existing
piece
of
fabric
for
the
contributing
structure
that
has
to
be
wood.
Okay,
absolutely
no
questions
asked
so
one
of
the
items
that
you
might
intend
to
do
is
is
to
start
sourcing
an
appropriate
material,
because
a
good
siding
is
not
easy
to.
D
O
O
Trying
to
push
forward
with
this
project
and
if
there's
any
indication
we
we
can
propose
that
back.
That
can
be
a
condition,
something
that
we
can
try
to
resolve.
I
don't
have
that
answer
candidly,
we're
not
married
to
that
height
at
that
portion,
but
we
understand
I
I'm,
hoping
in
good
faith
that
the
the
architect
is
making
that
recommendation,
because
it's
something
out
of
a
necessity
more
than
a
need,
because
we
don't
necessarily
need
a
peek
at
that
exact
position
of
a
stairwell
for
any.
You
know
for
any
need
of
ours.
O
But
but
to
answer
the
question
we
can
get
you
an
answer
on
it
from
the
architect
and
we
can
find
exactly
either
the
compromise
or
whatever
is
necessary.
O
O
A
N
O
I
think
the
biggest
comment,
I
think
collectively
is
that
it's
set
back
behind
the
existing
structure
in
a
way
that
will
be
very
hard
to
visually,
see
that
from
the
street
as
well.
Obviously,
we
but
I
don't
have
that
in
the
plan
set
details,
but
the
the
architect
can
probably
get
us.
D
O
P
C
C
C
Thank
you.
The
the
two
windows
to
the
far
right
of
the
addition.
C
I
actually,
I
love
the
three
grouping
of
the
three
Windows,
the
three
squares,
the
rectangular
ones,
just
look
way
out
of
whack,
okay
and-
and
you
might
talk
to
your
architect
about
considering
making
them.
You
know,
small
pairs
of
squares
or
something
else
like
that
to
kind
of
the
horizontal
window
is,
is
just
a
little
too
much
out
of
character.
C
And
you
mentioned
something
about
the
rear
deck
railing,
matching
the
new
rear
deck
railing,
matching
the
scale
and
proportion
from
the
front.
Porch
and
I
understand
you
wanting
wanting
them
to
be
compatible.
But
again,
maybe
if
the
front
porch
rail
pickets
are
two
inches
Square
two
and
a
half
inches
Square,
making
them
slightly
different,
like
we
were
yeah
sure
you
already
acknowledge
that
the
the
exposure
of
the
siding
is
different
and
they're,
set
back
by
six
to
eight
inches,
which
is
the
addition
is
set
back
from
the
main
build.
That's
all
perfect.
C
That's
all
the
right
way
to
do
things
is
to
distinguish
them
with
plane,
changes
and
then,
with
slight
material
changes
that
are
comp.
You
know
comparable,
but
somebody's
eye
25
years
from
now
will
walk
up
and
go
well.
This
is
clearly
not
original.
This
is
original.
This
wasn't
yeah
that
that's
that's
doing
it
all
the
right
way
easy
enough
and
are
there
any
brackets
on
the
additions
and
I'm
going
to
make
the
same
point
about
the
brackets
on
the
addition
B
compatible,
but
perhaps
slightly
different
than
the
original
historic
brackets.
C
B
As
I
was
looking
at
the
1929
Sanborn
map,
there's
a
pretty
substantial
difference
between
between
your
house
at
the
front
of
it,
as
is
as
it
seems
to
be
shown
in
that
map,
and
these
really,
oddly
muscular
brick
columns
in
that
you
have
in
the
front.
B
So,
with
that
in
mind,
I
think
this
is
a
very
good
presentation
and
I.
Thank
you.
You
did.
You
did
a
good
job
right
well
prepared
and
you
have
made-
and
it's
always
difficult
for
us,
because
there's
a
this
is
a
big
addition,
but
you've
you've
done
all
the
right
stuff.
You
came
to
staff,
you
asked
them
they
you
know
they
gave.
They
gave
some
guidance
based
on
what
happens
a
lot
in
the
area
with
the
with
the
cruciform.
You
know
Second
Story
you've
made
some
compromises.
B
A
Okay,
can
we
go
to
your
your
right,
elevator
again
yep,
please
thank.
O
You
yep,
let
me
get
rid
of
this
sidebar
again.
P
A
So
I
wanted
to
ask
before
but
I
wanted
to,
let
my
colleague
finish
with
his
points.
Why
is
the
existing
window
on
the
left
side
of
the
pop-up?
Why
is
that
being
removed.
P
O
O
O
A
A
O
O
A
O
A
O
M
O
So
again,
if
there
was
a
condition
of
hey,
we
would
love
you
to
keep
those
windows
consistent
with
your
newer
windows.
For
that
uniform
and
the
only
variation
is
the
siding,
the
cladding,
and
these
things
were
we're
receptive
to
it.
We
were
only
here
to
try
to
adhere
to
you
know
to
make
sure
we
were
conformed
to
the
idea
of
making
sure
it
felt
separate.
Okay,.
A
P
C
A
You're
right:
let's
look
at
the
point
the
plane
hold
it.
Can
we
go
back
to
your
second
floor
plan?
Sorry.
O
A
A
A
O
A
M
A
That
is
oh,
the
other
question
I
do
have.
Is
the
mechanical
equipment
you're
switching
to
the
other
side
of
the
house.
M
O
H
O
J
J
J
O
It
to
you,
but
right
there.
This
is
where
there's
a
package
AC
unit
and
then
there's
pool
equipment
and
gas
meter,
and
so
the
intent
here
is
that
these
would
all
be
relocated
in
this
portion
here
and
then
certainly
can
do
some
sort
of
fencing
or
facade
that
you
wouldn't
see
it
there
currently
is
a
set
of
stairs
that
goes
up
into
the
Mother-in-law
Suite
that
kind
of
angles
here.
So
we
want
to
be.
You
know,
courteous
of
how
that
experience
looks.
O
There
is
that
the
neighbors,
so
the
neighbor,
this
neighbor
here,
there's
a
wrought
iron
fence
that
runs
the
whole
course
of
this
sideline
okay
and
then
there's
a
wood
fence
on
the
alleyway.
That
kind
of
runs
a
little
bit
and
pulls
back
in
where
the
pool
is.
O
O
Side,
it's
at
the
it's
right
next
to
the
patio
or
the
porch
deck.
M
O
And
we
talked
about
the
staff
of
maybe
relocating,
you
know
if
it
was
best
to
relocate
we're,
not
necessarily
in
love
with
having
you
know
it's
there.
It's
only
there
for
protection
because
we
have
dogs,
but
you
know
if
there
was
a
thought
process
of
pushing
those
both
on
the
back
side,
where
we're
receptive
to
that
as
well.
O
A
D
Just
got
one
quick
one
for
staff
on
this
rear
wall
that
we're
seeing
with
the
Demolition
plan,
we'll
be
removing
some
of
that
historic
fabric.
Is
there
anything
there
that
we
should
maybe
look
at
trying
to
save,
or
is
it
not
worth.
L
D
J
J
D
Is
the
only
reason
I
started
with
you
on
that
question,
because
the
only
thing
I
really
saw
was
maybe
some
wood
siding
because
the
windows
given
the
circumstances
of
this
just
coming
into
the
district?
Obviously
those
windows
are
no
longer
historic.
So
that's
something
that
we
can
discuss
and
but
again
is
that
something
that
you
would
be
absolutely.
R
A
So,
typically
Ron
you
can
answer
this
if
you
want
to,
but
typically,
if
there's
like,
if
there's
siding
material
under
there,
that
is
original,
that
is
in
good
shape
and
you
you
pull
off
all
the
other,
siding
all
the
other
vinyl
siding
and
you
find
that
there
are
pieces.
Are
there
areas
of
original
siding
that
you
need
to
repair
replace?
You
may
have.
L
A
A
Those
in
those
places-
and
then
you
don't
have
to
go
out
and
find
somebody
to
cut
you
a
piece
with
a
die.
You
know
that
they're
gonna
have
a
hard
time.
Finding,
maybe
I
mean
most
of
these
houses
shared
similar
profiles.
So
if
somebody
has
already
made
that
signing
they
they'll
know
that
in
the
industry,
but
that's
typically
why
we
ask.
A
P
D
P
D
Want
to
worry
about
it,
but
experience
is
telling
me
it's
probably
not
going
to
be
so
that
siding
that's
currently
there,
and
as
long
as
it's
long
enough,
I
mean
you
do
have
a
lot
of
cuts
potentially
there
because
of
the
windows
and
the
doors
and
different
layout.
But
if
there
is
something
there
that
could
be
used,
that
siding
is
going
to
match
your
existing
home
better
than
any
other
siding
out
there
as
long
as
it's
in
good
shape.
So
that
was
kind
of
the
reason
for
the.
E
A
O
E
And
in
spite
of
it
being
a
substantial
change
to
this
primary
I,
think
it's
done
very
sensitively
in
many
respects
in
very
many
respects
to
my
liking.
You
know
I
I,
understand
where
he's
going
with
the
siding
and
I
think
that's
an
appropriate
way
to
handle
this,
particularly
when
we
are
dealing
with
edge
condition
boards,
both
inside
and
outside
corners,
that
help
differentiate
that
that
works
out
very
well
for
that
sort
of
Escape
Windows.
There
isn't
an
existing
window
fabric
here.
A
C
It
would
but
the
addition
since,
though,
there's
there's
no
original
Windows
anywhere.
E
C
C
What
would
you,
what
would
we
recommend
we'd
recommend
that
the
new
one's?
Not
you
have
that
that
we
would
change
the
pattern
so
and
since
they're
interior,
you
can't
do
we,
we
don't
want
that
duplicated.
So,
I
think
the
no
mullions
is
the
is
kind
of
like
the
most
logical
thing
to
do.
If
we
put
exterior
emollions
on
the
addition
or
suggested
that
it
might
look
like
the
addition
was
the
original
and
the
rest
of
the
house
with
the
interior
volumes
were
later
changed.
M
C
I,
don't
think
it
it
doesn't
follow.
Logically,
in
my
opinion,
I
I
do
want
to
just
say
that
I
think
the
extent
to
which
this
owner
altered
their
desired
plan
and
intended.
C
L
D
D
Six,
seven
well,
I,
guess
what
nine
months
ago
and
potentially
there's
even
projects
going
on
right
now
that
were
permitted
before
that.
That
happened
in
January,
so
for
the
next
so
many
years
we're
going
to
deal
with
probably
a
lot
of
this
and
so
yeah.
We
would
never
have
as
a
as
a
commission
approve
what
is
theirs
for
us.
D
C
D
We
can't
do
that.
That's
the
right
thing
to
do
foreign.
The
only
other
comment
was.
It
looks
to
me
like
that
that
secondary
roof
Ridgeline
is
going
to
be
somewhere
around
a
foot
and
a
half
or
so
higher
than
the
original
house
is
currently
I
will
say
they
have
done
a
very
good
job
of
hiding
it.
It
doesn't
just
really
come
at
you,
like
some
other
designs
that
we've
seen
previously
and
with
other
projects,
did
I'm.
N
A
A
The
windows
and
the
the
way
the
windows
are
installed.
That's
the
other
thing
is
that
the
way
the
windows
are
installed
in
the
walls
are
done
per
our
typical
recommendation
when
it
comes
to
how
they're
set
in
the
wall-
and
we
get
the
shadow
play
in
the
opening
right.
So
as
long
as
they're
installed,
the
way
that
we
prefer
in
the
districts
and
the
windows
themselves
are
more
in
keeping
with
the
way
that
we
would
see.
Mullions
right.
M
L
C
To
exterior
emollients
look
completely
different.
If
you
look
at
those
interior
emollient
windows
at
any
kind
of
an
angle,
you
can't
see
the
monkeys,
the
glass
reflects
everything
off
and
you
can't
tell
that
there
are
emollients
inside
that
window
at
all.
The
only
time
you
can
see
them
is
at
night
with.
A
C
D
C
C
C
Gals
will
just
say
that
going
in
so
I
moved
to
Grant
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
drawings
presented
at
this
drugs
and
documents
presented
to
this
public
Hearing
in
Arc
23-298
for
the
property
at
406,
South,
Newport
Avenue
in
Tampa
Florida,
because
with
the
following
conditions
that
the
owner
and
the
architect
revisit
any
reduction
in
the
peak
of
the
stairwell
roof
height
if
possible,
and
that
the
owner
and
architect
coordinate
with
staff
as
to
the
desired
window.
C
Configuration
on
the
addition
that
the
rear
deck
railing
be
slightly
different
in
scale
and
proportion
from
the
front
porch
rails
that
the
horizontal
windows
on
the
right
elevation
be
Revisited
and
considered
changed
because,
based
upon
finding
a
fact,
the
proposed
project
is
consistent
with
the
Hyde
Park
design
guidelines
in
the
city
of
Tampa.
For
the
following
reasons
that
the
the
drawings
reflect
compliance
with
the
High
Park
design
guidelines
and
the
Secretary
of
interior
standards.
G
M
A
A
N
O
O
N
C
G
C
Okay,
that
the
that
any
brackets
on
the
addition
be
varied
slightly
from
the
existing
bracket.
M
P
A
And
do
you
understand
that,
in
order
to
move
forward,
those
have
to
be
accepted
by.
H
J
Good
evening,
Commissioners
ronville
I'm
staff
with
historic
preservation.
Our
next
agenda
item
is
Arc
23-202.
This
is
for
the
address
of
505
and
505
and
a
half
Palm
Avenue.
This
is
in
the
Tampa
Heights
local,
historic
district.
The
primary
structure
is
a
contributing
structure
that
dates
back
to
19.
45.
Their
underlying
zoning
is
rm24.
J
There's
a
multiple
requests
attached
to
this.
The
first
there's
a
variance
rear
yard
setback,
reduction
from
20
foot
to
15
foot,
with
an
encroachment
for
two
feet
for
Eaves
and
gutters.
We're
going
to
hear
the
variance
first.
The
agent
is
aware
that
he
is
going
to
present
the
variance
through
the
site
plan
and
discussion
and
then
there'll
be
a
motion.
If
that
moves
forward,
then
we'll
go
into
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
for,
in
addition
to
the
primary
structure
and
a
second
primary
structure
on
the
site
with
site
improvements.
J
J
J
J
J
J
Q
Q
Here
we
go
North,
Central,
Avenue
and
Palm
to
the
North.
We
have
an
empty
lot
to
the
east.
We
have
an
empty
lot
to
the
South
is,
is
all
on
dot
property
for
a
future
expansion
to
the
malfunction
junction
to
to
the
east.
There
is
one
additional
accessories,
one
additional
structure
to
to
the
East
and
then
again
the
interstate
picks
up.
Q
What
we
were
are
trying
to
accomplish
here,
south
of
palm
for
for
those
of
you
who
are
aware
of
Tampa
Heights,
the
the
zoning
changes
dramatically.
There's
been
proposals
in
front
of
you
over
the
last
two
years
for
townhouse
development,
very
Urban,
single-family
house
developments
on
skinny
Lots.
This
is
a
very
large
large
lot.
Obviously
it's
a
100
by
120,
it's
a
double
lot,
with
the
contributing
structure
that
kind
of
sits
in
the
middle
of
it.
Frankly,
the
house
was
built
in
1946,
post,
World,
War,
II
house.
Q
It's
it's
a
unique
house
in
that
I
lived
in
neighbor
25
years,
I
again
drove
the
whole
neighborhood
this
week,
just
to
see
if
I
could
find
anything
that
looked
even
remotely
like
this
house
doesn't
exist.
Closest
thing
I
have:
is
a
house
built
in
the
early
60s,
that's
a
tri-level
house,
just
for
example.
Q
This
is
this.
Is
a
house
three
blocks
north
on
on
Central
Avenue?
That's
the
closest
house
I've
ever
I
found
in
the
neighborhood,
so
it's
Unique
house,
it's
an
easy
nice
house,
but
it
doesn't
really
fit
any
any
rest
of
the
fabric
of
the
neighborhood.
So
the
variants
specifically
is
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
a
very
large
lot
with
a
contributing
structure
on
it
in
a
in
an
extremely
densifying
part
of
the
neighborhood.
This
is
a
zoning
of
r93.
Q
Q
What
would
appear
to
be
hopefully
more
of
an
accessory
structure,
although
it
is
because
of
its
size,
considered
a
second
primary
structure.
The
variance
we're
asking
for
is
this
rear
yard
setback
from
15
from
20
to
15.,
and
all
of
this
land
is
vacant.
Land,
it's
owned
by
the
DOT
I,
went
to
a
DOT
hearing
about
a
month
ago,
because
I
live
in
a
neighborhood,
a
block
away
and
the
proposed
what
the
uses
are
currently
is
a
dog
park
and
pickleball
courts.
Q
So
that's
what's
going
to
be
south
of
here,
25
or
30
years
ago,
who
knows
maybe
it
would
be
more
Interstate,
but
currently
that's
what's
being
proposed,
so
we
feel
it's
extremely
advantageous
or
or
normal
or
consistent
to
ask
for
a
small
five
bit
reduction,
which
is
then
we're
going
to
use
a
tandem
parking
space
will
require
two
off
street
parking
spaces
for
the
secondary
structure,
which
will
be
two
parking
spaces
behind
the
face
of
the
primaries.
Q
Second
primary
structure,
which
would
be
parked
space
here
in
a
parking
space
there
I
can
go
over
the
criteria.
Q
Q
There
are
no
immediate
neighbors
fdot
owns
owned
it
to
the
to
the
South.
This
outside
the
historic
district
frankly,
is
a
design
exception.
Q
It's
within
the
realm
of
a
design
exception
through
zoning
I've
I've
asked
for
design
exceptions
many
times
outside
historic
district
for
for
from
20
to
15,
and
it's
a
and
it's
just
and
it's
a
non-public
hearing,
non-variance
request
again
the
the
this
is
in
extremely
dense
zoning
in
an
urban
situation,
where
this
is
kind
of
a
Suburban
sitting
house
sitting
in
what
is
now
becoming
an
intensely
developing
urban
area
in
Tampa
Heights,
you
just
approved
a
seven
story:
320
unit,
townhouse,
I'm,
sorry,
220,
apartment
building,
two
blocks
to
the
west
of
this
one
block
to
the
South.
Q
Q
I
went
for
Grant
the
owner
of
substantial
Justice
and
public
benefit
for
him
to
be
able
to
use
his
property
at
the
size
and
square
footage
that
we
have
here
for
an
addition
secondary
unit.
So
with
that
I'll
take
any
questions
on
the
variants.
A
So
I
believe
we
actually,
we
don't
have
a
staff
report.
We
do
allow
for
public
comment
at
this
point.
Forgive.
T
I
won't
take
your
valuable
time
just
wanted
to
let
you
know
I
do
support
if
you,
if
you
kind
of
look
at
the
orientation
of
the
property
and
what's
going
to
be
there
I,
do
support
additional
structures
in
that
area.
It's
kind
of
sparse
right
now,
I
mean
you
know
past
that
you're
just
going
to
see
like
an
open
field
in
in
dog
park
and
I
think
it
really
would
add
to
his
current
property
and
the
look
of
that,
because
you
have
a
vacant
lot
to
one
side
and
then
you
know
behind
that.
T
There's
going
to
be
like
a
dry
pond
and
a
dog
park
I
think
the
addition
of
of
what
is
being
proposed
would
really
add
to
the
neighborhood,
so
I
support
it.
That's
all
I
have
to
say.
T
M
S
And
my
address
is
2204
North
Central,
Avenue
number
three
and,
like
I
said
I've
been
a
short
time
resident
here
in
Tampa,
Heights
I've,
come
to
know
a
lot
of
the
people
in
the
community
come
to
really
take
appreciation
for
the
structures,
the
new
construction,
that's
going
on
in
the
area.
A
lot
of
things
that
Ralph
mentioned
were
very
Salient
points
about
the
new
construction.
S
How
there's
zero
lot
lines,
not
something
that
I
think,
particularly
that
I'm
a
fan
of
but
I,
think
what
they're
proposing
to
do
there
with
that
corner
being
is
sort
of
vacant
as
it
is,
doesn't
seem
like
anything
that
would
be
any
more
obtrusive
than
some
of
the
other
construction.
That's
going
on
in
the
neighborhood,
so
I
I
do
stand
in
support
of
what
Ralph
and
Kevin
are
trying
to
achieve
with
their
property
in
home.
A
A
Q
Summarized
all
the
hardship
earlier,
but
I
can
go
specific
one
by
one.
Thank
you
number
one.
The
request
is
to
reduce
the
radar
setback
from
15
to
20.,
from
20
to
15
to
construct
a
second
drawing
unit
on
the
property
site.
An
existing
billing
placement
does
not
allow
for
off
Street
and
new
dwelling
unit
with
the
required
five
foot
Eve
to
Eve
buffer
based
on
the
existing
rear
yard.
Dimensions
request
is
minimum
to
minimum
is
a
minimum
with
the
minimum
width
billing
being
proposed.
Q
Basically,
this
is
as
skinny
as
we
can
get
it
to
work,
and
this
is
the
least
amount
of
of
setback
that
we're
requesting
through
the
existing
building
is
located
in
the
middle.
A
lot
again,
fdot
owns
all
the
property
of
the
South,
no
neighbors
to
the
South.
Only
vacant
land
for
Interstate
expansion,
number
three,
the
intermediate
neighbors
to
the
South
is
is
fdot
propose
uses
our
dog
park
and
pickleball
courts.
Q
There
are
no
Neighbors
for
the
25
reduction.
Requests
are
allowed
generally
under
the
design
exception
through
zoning
staff,
without
a
variance
outside
the
historic
district.
I
understand
we
are
in
the
historic
district.
Thus,
the
reason
why
we're
asking
for
a
variance
the
comprehensive
plan
is
encouraging
density
in
the
south
of
Palm
Avenue,
with
a
future
land
use
designation
of
r93
the
site.
Q
If
this
is
the
most
second
most
density,
zoning
District
outside
of
the
central
business
district,
the
request
is
to
add
only
a
single
accessory
structure
in
scale,
although,
yes,
by
definition,
it's
still
a
secondary
second
main
structure
and
it's
kind
of
a
large
Suburban
lot,
but
again,
because
the
house
is
cited
in
in
a
particular
way,
there's
just
not
enough
room
to
make
it
work
and
then
last,
while
considered
the
second
primary
structure,
there's
intended
act
more
as
an
accessory
structure
in
its
scale.
D
Q
Well,
what
I'm
saying
is
it's
for
it
to
be
functional
and
a
design
that
that
to
go
to
20
feet
or
not
for
a
variance
request,
would
would
be
an
undue
hardship
to
to
the
design
of
the
of
the
building.
Yes,.
D
Okay,
but
I
guess
what
I'm
trying
to
to
get
you
to
answer
here
is
I'm
choosing
to
make
the
building
the
size
that
you're
choosing
to
use
it
so
that
it
can
function
the
way
that
you're
your
client
is
trying
to
get
it
to
function.
Would
you
not
agree
that
you
are
choosing
to
make
it
that
size
which
is
making
you
have
to
ask
for
the
variance.
D
Q
Q
L
A
Q
H
B
And
twenty
so
you've,
so
you
have
set
the
you've
set
the
front
wall
of
this
of
your
second
dwelling
at
seven
feet.
No.
Q
A
All
right
at
this
time,
I
have
no
questions.
Transportation
reviewed
this
already,
because
I
see
the
flares
on
your
drive.
They
they
have
no
comments
back
on
the
proposal.
Q
L
A
Q
Again,
I
think
it's
a
I
think
it's
a
reasonable
request.
I
think
it's
a
quest
that
that
is,
it
is
rooted
with
with
sensitivity
in
mind
and
and
the
the
site
does
have
limitations,
which
is
the
reason
why
we
have
requested
the
variance.
Thank
you.
B
Q
Q
But
many
many
photos
were
submitted
is
it's
amazing
still
standing.
Q
A
Thank
you
we'll
go
ahead
and
close
this
portion
and
discuss
the
variance
request
among
the
commissioners.
A
A
E
If
I
may
pipe
in
for
a
moment
as
usual,
as
per
my
usual
reading
on
this
I,
see
that
fundamentally
I
understand
the
desire
to
increase
the
density
where
it
is
applicable
in
your
zoning
condition.
Here
allows
that
here
for
this
site
and
I
think
that's
a
valuable
thing
to
bring
into
any
discussion
when
you're
looking
at
Redevelopment
on
a
piece
of
property.
E
You
number
four,
sir,
because
I
can
I
can
see
where,
where
that
would
be
coming
from
as
well
the
fact
that
there
is
vacant
land
entirely
to
the
south
of
you.
It's
immaterial
to
the
point
where,
if
a
granting
of
a
variant
suggests
to
stuff
more
onto
a
piece
of
properties
granted
here,
we
opened
that
door
for
everyone
in
Tampa,
Heights.
C
Yeah
I
I
failed
to
see
a
hardship.
In
fact,
I
mean
just
looking
at
the
existing
site
plan
here,
the
existing
house,
while
lovely
the
little
piece
that
that
juts
out
that
creates
the
five
foot
separation.
C
You
know
if,
if
it
was
ultimately
desired,
that
this
second
house
that
had
to
be
built
on
here
had
to
be
built
at
this
Dimension
and
had
to
be
built
at
this
mass
and
with
you
know,
the
addition
or
the
new
building
could
be
moved.
I
guess
this
is
planned
North
and
that
piece
of
the
original
structure
could
be
altered
in
such
a
way,
so
that
you
could
maintain
the
five
foot.
Separation,
yeah
I,
just
think
it's
all.
It's
self-created
hardship,
I've
lived
in
houses,
much
narrower.
E
23-202
for
the
property
located
at
505
505
and
a
half
East
to
Palm
Avenue
in
Tampa,
Heights,
historic
district
for
a
rear
yard.
Setback,
change
from
20
feet
to
15
feet
with
two
foot
encroachment
for
leaves
and
gutters
be
denied
due
to
the
failure
of
the
petitioner
to
meet
the
burden-proof.
With
regard
to
the
six
hardship
criterias
set
forth
in
section
27,
114
D
of
the
city
of
Tampa
code
of
ordinances,
specifically
that
of
the
alleged
hardship
or
practical
difficulties
have
not
been
shown
to
be
unique
and
singular.
E
With
respect
to
this
property
that
the
hardship
of
practical
difficulty
doesn't
set
in
fact,
result
as
a
self-created
hardship
and
that
the
variance
is
not
in
Harmony
and
serves
the
general
and
purpose
of
intent
of
this
chapter
adopted
in
the
comprehensive
plan.
As
a
deviation
from
a
normal
planning
of
this
historic
district.
A
F
Correct
in
order
to
preserve
the
notice
chain,
we
need
to
continue
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
and
the
available
day
would
be
October,
2nd
2023
at
5
30
pm.
C
To
continue
I
move
to
continue
Arc
23-202
for
the
property
at
505,
East,
Palm,
Ave
and
505,
and
a
half
East
Palm
Ave
to
the
October,
2nd
2023
Architectural
Review
commission
hearing
at
5
30
pm.
A
J
Our
last
agenda
item
is
Arc
23-248.
This
is
for
the
address
of
1711.
Washington
Avenue,
it's
in
the
Hyde
Park
historic
district.
Primary
structure
that
is
currently
on
the
site
dates
back
to
1917
and
it
is
a
contributing
structure.
The
zoning
is
rm24.
The
request
is
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
an
addition
to
the
primary
structure
with
site
improvements.
J
As
we
go
through
the
photo
presentation,
I
just
want
to
point
out
a
couple
of
items
on
the
Sanborn
map
from
1929
you
have
a
wraparound
porch,
which
is
a
two-story
porch,
and
then
you
have
a
two-story
dwelling
as
it
goes
to
the
rear
of
the
property.
You
have
a
one-story
open
transitional
section
of
the
house
that
comes
from
the
outside
to
the
inside
is
open
air.
J
Currently,
there
is
an
addition
that
almost
comes
to
the
property
line.
That's
here
and
it's
going
to
be
asked
to
be
removed,
but
it
does
not
show
up
on
the
Sanborn
map
and
I
just
wanted
to
illustrate
that
to
you
as
you
move
forward,
the
primary
structure
does
face
ChatOn,
and
you
see
the
fabric
here
in
1929.
J
J
This
is
the
two-story
gallery
that
is
indicated
on
the
Sanborn
map.
The
structure
has
been
through
many
iterations.
This
area
of
Hyde
Park
has
gone
through
a
Resurgence
there.
The
zoning
is
multi-family.
As
I
stated,
these
larger
homes
were
broken
up
when
there
was
a
sprawl
out
of
the
the
city,
and
now
it's
coming
back
to
be
single
family.
As
indicated
with
this
request,
this
is
looking
down
the
dry,
bow
to
a
gate,
which
is
a
pedestrian
gate
behind
the
gate,
you
have
a
deck
that
Jets
Out.
J
J
J
This
is
directly
across
the
street,
which
is
a
non-contributing
multi-family,
and
then
you
see
multi-family,
which
is
a
period
structure
here.
This
is
moving
to
the
rear
I
wanted
to
show
with
the
Sanborn
map.
This
was
the
primary
structured
two-story.
This
was
the
portion
that
was
open.
Air
was
the
transitional
room.
It
has
since
been
enclosed.
They
added
a
second
story
to
to
that
portion
of
the
original
footprint,
and
then
they
added
this
portion
here.
I
Good
evening
my
name
is
Brad
Barrios.
My
wife
Roy
of
arios,
is
here
with
me.
We
own
the
property
at
1711,
West,
Jatan
Avenue,
our
contractor
Peter
Carlin
is
here
he's
going
to
go
through
the
presentation
in
detail
with
the
drawings
with
you.
I
just
wanted
to
say
a
few
words
about
our
intentions
with
the
renovation
and
the
addition
that
we're
requesting,
like
the
previous
homeowner,
that
we
heard
from
today,
we
very
much
respect
the
neighborhood
and
the
historic
nature
of
it,
and
it's
our
goal
to
bring
the
property
back
as
much
as
we
can.
I
It
has
been
through
a
lot
of
iterations,
none
of
which
we
actually
performed
ourselves.
We
bought
the
home
in
2017
and
I
just
wanted
to
show
a
couple
photos
as
you
can
see,
the
home
was
covered.
Well,
you
mayor
may
not
be
able
to
see
it,
but
the
home
was
covered
in
an
aluminum
siding
every
inch
of
it
other
than
the
first
floor
front,
facade,
which
was
the
original
three
inch
wood
siding.
I
I
We
have
put
in
a
new
front
porch
and
the
new
front
pillars
with
brick
that
I
know
we
worked
with
Ron
when
we
did
that,
and
now
we're
moving
to
the
rear
portion
of
the
house,
so
I
will
hand
it
over
to
Peter
to
give
you
the
detail,
but
I
appreciate
your
time
tonight.
Your
consideration.
Thank
you.
U
Good
evening,
Commissioners
Peter
Carlin,
with
Carlin
construction
representing
Brad
and
Roya
Barrios
address,
is
4230
South,
MacDill,
Tampa,
Florida
and
I'm
just
going
to
kind
of
walk
you
through
the
drawings,
starting
with
the
site
plan.
So
thank
you.
U
Okay,
so
where
the
mic
is,
but
so
this
is
the
existing
site
plan.
I
think
Ron's
pointed
out
that
this
is
the
the
Shaded
area.
Here
is
the
compilation
of
multiple
additions
that
have
been
made
to
the
home
to
the
original
primary
structure,
and
the
plan
is
to
remove
all
of
that,
because
it's
non-contributing
and
in
pretty
not
great
shape.
U
The
proposed
Edition
is
similar
in
footprint,
but
does
not
violate
the
the
property
setback
on
this
side,
so
we're
we're
actually
over
the
seven
foot
required
and
up
to
almost
nine
feet
so
just
to
point
out
one
more
time.
The
part
of
what
we're
demolishing
or
opposing
to
demolish
is
is
about
two
and
a
half
feet
from
the
property
line.
U
U
The
the
AC
equipment
is
currently
located
where
I
have
my
finger
kind
of
like
this
little
notch
on
the
the
primary
resonance
and
more
than
likely
that's
where
the
new
Air
Conditioning
equipment
will
go,
or
we
made
this
replace
some
of
that
that's
sort
of
yet
to
be
determined,
and
this
will
be
a
two-story
Edition.
U
U
So
moving
into
the
floor
plans,
this
is
our
first
floor
plan
and
the
dashed
areas
or
the
parts
of
the
home
that
will
get
demolished,
and
this
is
the
section
that's
right
up
against
the
property
line,
and
so
the
proposed
first
floor
plan
will
having
a
large
kitchen
area
with
a
breakfast
snook
and
a
laundry
room
with
a
pantry
and
then
we'll
have
an
open-air
covered
porch
on
the
first
floor
and
the
second
floor,
there's
a
little
section
that
we'll
be
removing
at
the
top.
We
are
going
to.
A
U
U
And
then
moving
to
the
elevations,
this
is
the
the
front
elevation
which
I
think
you've
seen.
Pictures
of
it's
got
a
first
floor,
porch
and
then
it's
also
got
a
second
floor.
Probably
was
a
porch
before.
U
U
And
then,
lastly,
the
west
elevation-
this
is
the
existing
section,
so
you
can
kind
of
see
the
section
that
will
get
removed
and
then
this
will
be
the
two-story
Edition.
So
just
looking
at
an
elevation,
the
addition
roof
will
tie
into
the
existing
roof
and
be
slightly
lower
than
the
existing
roof.
U
U
U
Instead
of
having
a
a
little
V
like
this,
it
has
like
a
rounded
top,
and
it's
all
screwed
in
so
I
mean
we're
proposing
to
put
that
same
roof
on
to
the
addition,
because
that's
kind
of
the
roof
that
was
present
on
the
home
and
I
assume
that
was
the
historical
roof.
U
And
then
going
down
to
the
soffits,
our
plan
is
to
match
the
soffit
system,
which
will
have
a
wood
fascia
board,
and
this
is
a
picture
of
the
existing
soffit.
So
it's
a
one
by
four
beaded
tongue
and
groove.
That's
we're
proposing
the
same
soffit
on
the
addition.
It's
not
exposed
rafter
Tails!
It's
actually
a
you
know
a
flat
soffit
that
we're
proposing,
because
that's
what
was
on
the
existing
home
and
moving
down
it'll
all
be
a
wood
frame
structure.
U
We
haven't
chosen,
which
manufacturer
we're
going
to
use.
Yet
that
could
be
geld
one.
It
could
be
Marvin,
but
they
all
carry
a
nice
low
profile,
clad
units
that
that
look
a
lot
like
wood
windows,
the
the
trim
around
the
windows,
the
existing
home,
has.
U
U
U
J
Staff,
finding
this
application
is
consistent
with
a
Hyde
Park
design
guidelines.
We
had
a
series
of
conditions
attached
to
your
staff
report
on
page
four,
some
discussion
points
or
that
for
him
to
provide
the
delineation
from
the
period
home
to
the
new
structure
on
the
west
side.
He
bumped
it
in
to
show
that
delineation
and
on
the
east
side
he
the
the
original
the
structure
that
was
upon
you
know
this
request
was
removed.
He
bumped
it
in
so
there
was
no
variance
request
attached
to
that
and
we
had
it
held
at
the
porch.
J
I
think
additional
discussion
is
needed
for
the
demolition
plan
or
it's
going
to
be
held
to
the
rear
and
if
there's
any
Rehabilitation,
to
be
done
to
the
primary
structure
as
part
of
this
request,
I
think,
lastly,
to
close
is
the
roof
material.
That
R
channel
is
something
that
is
kind
of
foreign
to
the
district,
but
it's
on
the
primary
structure.
It
is
similar
to
the
5e
crimp.
That
is
a
roofing
material
that
we
routinely
approve,
but
there
are
some
differences,
so
I'll
continue
that
discussion
and
see
where
it
takes
you
this
evening.
A
H
H
So
my
view
is
basically
this
whole
proposed
addition
that
they're
going
to
do
so.
I've
also
seen
the
trailer
park.
Edition.
That's
happened
over
time
and
people
coming
and
going
and
everything
else
from
that
addition
back
there.
So
I
am
wholeheartedly
in
favor
of
what
Brad
Roya
want
to
do
with
this
Edition.
It's
not
going
to
go
back
any
further.
So
what
I
see
out
my
kitchen
window
to
the
back?
H
Basically,
their
backyard
is
going
to
be
much
better
than
what
is
there
now
and
I'm
sure
what
they're
going
to
add
above
their
kids,
are
getting
bigger
and
their
kids
going
to
need
more
space.
So
I
wholeheartedly
suggest
that
you
approve
this
wonderful
addition
to
this
wonderful
neighbor's
property.
Thank
you.
Commissioners.
Thank.
C
Okay,
again,
the
font
is
really
really
small
in
Phase.
So
we
can't
really
read
much
of
what's
that.
That
wording
is
saying,
but
you
mentioned.
C
P
C
The
well
in
in
your
presentation,
you
said
that
the
crawl
space
was
going
to
have
a
brick
veneer
to
match
the
existing.
This
wall
section
doesn't
show
any
brick
veneer,
so
I
was
wondering
if
that
is
shown
anywhere.
Were
you
thinking
of
full-size
bricks?
Were
you
think
you
know
a
real
brick
or
brick
tile.
U
L
C
It's
okay,
there's
there's
nothing
to
be
sorry,
for
so
I
mean
I,
think
that
should
be
amended
to
the
drawings.
What
is
the
roof?
Overhangs
for
both
the
main
structure,
the
typical
roof,
overhang
dimensions
for
the
existing
house
and
the
new
edition.
U
I'll
be
honest:
the
the
overhang
on
the
wall
section
is
not
accurate.
It's
not
real.
C
U
U
That
is
the
front
porch.
Okay,.
R
C
All
right,
no
I,
don't
think,
there's
anything
wrong
with
the
addition
overhang
being
dimensionally
different
than
the
main
house.
Again,
that's
another
way
of
having
a
slight
differentiation
between
the
two,
so
I
think
we
want
to
make
sure
that
those
are
are
noted
and
coordinated.
C
What
is
the
do,
you
know
the
existing
and
proposed
exposure
of
the
siding
three.
C
Understand,
there's
there's
that,
but
I
I
mentioned
this
in
the
previous
hearing
when,
when
50
years
from
now
somebody
walks
up
to
that
house,
can
they
tell
that
what
was
the
original
house
and
what
was
the
addition
and
and
we're
looking
for
them
to
be
compatible
and
to
be
very
similar,
but
not
to
duplicate
precisely
everything
from
the
historic
house
on
the
Edition,
because
then
it
becomes
blurred
as
to
what
was
the
real
house.
What
was
the
original
historic
portion
of
the
house
and
what
was
done
later?
C
Yes,
you
might
be
able
to
tell
from
a
condition
standpoint,
but
would
you
consider
a
three
and
a
half
inch
exposure
or
a
four
inch
exposure
on
the
siding
for
the
addition.
R
R
And
I
know
that
we
want
to
mix
it
up
and
honestly,
just
kind
of
through
this
presentation
if
we
would
like
to
and
I
don't
know
that
would
work
with,
like
even
the
the
roof
being
different
since
that
I
don't
well
I,
don't
know,
that's
technical
I
can
figure
something
out.
I
just
prefer
the
three
inch
aesthetically
but
I'm.
R
C
Is
the
is
the
is
the
material
proposed
for
the
siding
to
Wood?
Of
course
it
is
wood,
all
right.
Okay,
so
again,
I
don't
know
what's
commercially
available
out
there
right
now
personally
and
the
residential
wood
siding,
but
I
would
consider
you
reckon
that
you
can
I
would
recommend
that
you
consider
a
slight
differentiation.
I
love
the
thin
three
inch
exposure
too.
It's
beautiful!
It's
it's!
You
know
it's
got
such
a
nice
texture
to
it,
but
even
a
slight
deviation
from
that
might
be
ex.
You
know
it's
preferable.
C
Okay,
let's
put
it
that
way.
I
don't
have
any
other
questions
so.
U
We
I
mean
we,
we
were
able
to
differentiate
pretty
easily
from
the
primary
structure
and
what
has
been
added
before,
just
because
of
the
way
they
kind
of
set
things
back
from
the
edge
of
the
home.
So
it
was
pretty
clear
and
I
think
that's
what
we
were
trying
I
mean
I'm,
not
the
architect,
for
this
by
the
way
I'm.
Just
the
contractor,
the
architect.
C
U
I
couldn't
come
this
evening,
but
you
know
I
mean,
of
course,
if
you
guys
are
okay
with
changing
and
I
think
it
would
functionally
work
better
with
the
three
inch
exposure.
But
if
the
owners
are
okay
with
changing
that,
I
mean
I,
don't
know
if
that's
like
a
deal.
Breaker
I'm.
U
C
A
Just
want
to
reiterate
that
we're
asking
questions
and
recommendations
and
that
sort
of
thing
will
come
out
of
our
discussion
to
follow
so
just
know
that
the
discussion
points
are
valid,
but
right
now
we're
just
trying
to
understand
the
points
of
the
case
so
Mr
Meyer
Myers.
Do
you
have
any
questions
for
the
applicant
if.
U
B
B
A
E
E
A
U
E
E
L
D
D
So
again,
that'll
come
up
in
discussion
as
well.
My
question
is
about
the
roof,
so
I'm
curious
as
to
the
age
of
the
existing
roof
and
that'll
lead
me
into
another
question.
I
H
I
D
U
I
think
this
is
probably
best
represents
the
the
tie-in,
because
this
is
obviously
the
primary
house
here.
Yes,.
D
U
L
U
D
Yeah
so
that
you
could
get
creative,
maybe
with
the
valleys
and
transfer
from
one
type
to
the
other,
but
I
as
a
contractor.
Myself
can
see
why
you
made
the
face
you
may
the
other
question
would
be
so
be
and
they
do
tie
in
going
back
to
the
overhang
sizing.
U
U
You
know
I,
you
know,
without
studying
it
a
little
bit
more.
There
could
be
issues
if
we
don't
match
the
existing
overhang.
The.
U
A
quick
note
now
I'm
thinking
about
it,
if
you,
if
you
reduce
the
overhang
that
could
change
the
pitch
on
the
roof
as
well
so
I
mean
I,
think
the
preference
would
be
to
kind
of
try
to
match
the
pitch
and
the
overhang
to
kind
of
keep
things
consistent,
because
when
you
shrink
down
the
overhang,
it's
going
to
change
the
pitch
of
the
roof
and
that
will
really
start
to
make
it
smaller
and
I.
Think
it's
you
guys
kind
of
want
to
get
that
a
little.
U
A
A
The
the
Interiors
of
the
of
the
home,
are
they
period
appropriate
still
or
have
they.
P
I
U
A
U
L
I
It's
connected
by
these
two
very
kind
of
fragile
glass
opening
doors
I
doubt
that
they
are
original
they're,
certainly
older,
but
they
don't
seem
like
they
would
be
original
and
then
the
back
portion
of
the
bedroom
is
basically
going
to
be
converted
into
two
rooms
right,
I.
A
Understood
where
you're
going
with
it,
but
so
any
time
that
a
historic
portion
of
a
primary
structure,
a
contributing
structure,
is
a
is
demo
right.
There's
always
a
concern
that
historic
fabric
has
lost
and
certainly
we're
we're
more
concerned
with
the
exterior.
But
if,
if
this
was
a
very
comprehensive
project-
and
we
were
going
through
an
ad
valorem
where
you
were
asking
for
a
tax
break,
we
actually
get
into
the
historic
components
that
were
inside
of
buildings
as
well,
and
we're
always
wondering
what's
going
on
inside
right.
M
A
M
R
A
Right
other
than
that
there
was
a
note
here
about
fencing
and
Hardscape
on
the
site
plan.
Is
that
actually
on
the
site
plan?
The,
Hardscape
I,
don't
remember,
hearing
about
hardscaping.
U
A
U
R
A
And
then,
in
terms
of
hardware
and
lighting
I,
don't
remember
seeing
that
in
the
presentation
have
you
selected
those
yet
no.
R
R
H
R
A
The
windows
we
talked
about
what
they
would
be
made
of
the
existing
windows
on
the
home
they're,
one
over
ones,
correct,
they're,.
L
I
M
A
A
Does
if
you're
going
to
have
wood
flooring,
if
it's,
if
this
is
raised,
is
this
a
true
stem
with,
with
the
fill.
I
As
I
mentioned,
the
front
porch
we
did
is
is
all
brick.
So
all
the
way
around
that
front
porch
and
it
does
have
the
empty
spaces
left
in
various
spots
for
ventilation
around
the
rest
of
the
house.
It's
a
little
bit
different.
Some
of
it
is
just
the
lattice
work
that
you
know
we're
gonna
try
to
make
it
just
look
consistent
throughout
whether
it's
brick
all
the
way
around,
and
you
know
or
whether
it's
work
with
what
we
have
I,
don't
know.
If
we're.
A
So
your
drawings,
currently
don't
show
any
kind
of
venting.
Can
we
look
at
the
one
of
the
side
elevations
of
the
proposed.
U
E
L
E
A
A
A
I
A
P
I
That
we
were
going
to
be
knocking
off
the
back
side
anyways,
but
yeah
there
is.
There
is
venting.
L
A
Good
good
to
hear
I
think
that's
it
for
my
questions.
Any
other
questions
for
the
applicant.
C
E
C
Q
L
C
That
whether
the
roof
can
be
the
addition
roof
can
be
different
metal
than
you
know.
Metal
profile
than
the
existing
I
think
is
something
the
architect
can
take.
Another
look
at
I,
don't
think
it's
the
original
roof
to
the
house.
D
L
B
Now
right
so,
but
then
Mr
Fremont
will
not
see
consistency,
Mr
Fremont
being
the
neighbor
at
the
rear.
Well,.
A
C
L
D
Were
did
the
Raptor
Tails
look
out
of
place
to
anyone
else
on
the
porch
on
the
porch.
L
C
C
But
I
think
we
got
you
know.
We
I
think
that
we
need
to
work
with
staff
on
the
crawl
space
vent,
the
hardware
and
lighting
the
roof,
overhang
Dimension,
the
metal
roof
material,
the
real
brick
veneer
on
the
foundation
versus
the
the
fake
sliced,
great
tiles,
which
never
never
look
great
and
again,
in
my
opinion,
otherwise.
C
Know
I
think
it's
a
great
Improvement
to
the
to
the
house
and
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
lovely.
E
Lovely
building
it
it
as
a
thought,
as
an
alternative
for
the
fake
Bernier
veneer
of
the
the
thin
brick
I,
understand
your
situation
with
that,
because
it
seems
sometimes
a
a
oddly,
very
uniform
and
different
sort
of
a
product
after
having
you
know
worked
with
brick
for
so
many
years.
You
know
it's
a
totally
different
animal
that
you
know
as
an
aside
such
as
on
my
house,
which
is
from
the
50s.
You
have.
E
Brick,
which
is
a
potentially
an
alternative
where
you
would
match
the
The
Joint
lines
as
you
layer
that
thing
up,
because
it's
all
going
to
get
painted.
A
A
Do
want
to
discuss-
and
it
just
reminded
me
the
discussion
of
the
difference
in
the
size
profile
of
the
siding,
so
this
in
this
particular
case
and
we've
talked
about
this
before
in
other
cases
over
how
do
you
differentiate?
L
A
You
can
have
matching
profile
in
this
case,
in
my
opinion,
because
the
addition
is
removed
from
the
it
is
not
flush
to
either
side
of
the
existing
primary
structure.
They've
gone
to
Great
Lengths
to
ensure
that
either
they
recess
it
or
they
pull
it
out
in
the
other
direction.
So
that
in
itself
allows
that
differentiation.
If
they
were
a
flat
facade,
we
would
tell
them
put
vertical
boards.
N
A
H
A
Right
and
the
roofing
and
the
and
all
of
that
there
are
so
many
indicators
of
differentiation
that
I
think
if
they
truly
want
that
three
inch,
they
can
have
that
three
inch.
D
We
see
properties
that
have
a
six
or
seven
inch
and
they
change
one
inch
off
of
that
to
the
Layman.
Nobody
can
tell
the
difference
on
this
particular
one
where
you've
got
three
inches.
It
is
a
and
you
change
that.
Even
if
you
went
to
four
it's
gonna
scream
at
you
like
it's
eight,
it's
just
anybody's
going
to
be
able
to
see
it
and
if
they
had
not
come
in,
then
maybe
we'd
be
having
a
different
discussion,
but
they
they
have
and
I
think
they've
got
like.
L
E
That
three-inch
siding
is
not
terribly
common.
E
H
C
E
C
E
C
A
M
B
Still
their
choice,
but
right
so,
but
the
pro
the
particular
profile
that
is,
there
is
a
more
modern
profile
than
the
5B
crimp,
and
it
was
it
it
somehow
got
there.
It
is
a
very
long,
lasting
material,
and
it
seems
to
me
to
make
a
great
deal
of
sense
to
allow
them
to
continue
that
and
not
to
you
know
not
to
involve
ourselves
in
that
portion
of
the
of
the
of
the
design
it
is
to
the
passerby
I.
Think
it's
it's
a
very
reasonable
material.
You
know
it's
like.
B
Oh,
this
doesn't
stand
out
as
being
odd
here.
So
I
think
that
we
should
I,
don't
think
we
should
get
into
that
one
I.
A
D
D
D
Bring
it
and
I
think
that
there
there
might
could
be
some
creativity
there.
Maybe
if
you
went
with
single
windows
and
and
mold
them
with
a
wider
mullion,
but
that
would
you
would
get
away
from
that
triple
Bank,
maybe
with
a
double
and
then
another
double
I
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
think
it
fit
it.
It
may
not.
C
A
Once
they
are
well,
they
saw
them
in
they're,
not
they're,
not
showing
it
really
well
in
this
teeny
tiny
thing,
but
they
are.
They
look
more
like
50s
or
60s.
B
L
B
B
C
Two
two:
four:
eight,
oh
just
23-248,
okay
at
23-248,
for
the
property
of
1711
West,
Jetton
Avenue,
with
the
following
conditions
that
the
owner
and
architect
provide
a
uthentic,
brick
veneer
and
not
a
brick
tile.
Where
indicated
on
the
drawings
that
the
description
and
the
drawings
using
the
word
Hardy
Board
is
altered
to
the
word.
Wood
that
the
roof
overhang
Dimensions
be
coordinated
with
staff
that
the
hardware
and
lighting
be
coordinated
with
Strat
staff
that
crawl
space
venting
be
further
looked
into
by
the
architect
and
the
owner
and
coordinated
with
staff.
C
And
should
any
windows
in
the
existing
historic
structure
be
replaced
that
those
windows
shall
be
coordinated
with
staff
because
based
upon
the
finding?
In
fact,
the
proposed
project
is
consistent
with
the
Hyde
Park
design
guidelines
and
the
City
of
Tampa
for
the
following
reasons
that
it
is
consistent
with
the
neighborhood.
C
It
respects
the
the
Hyde
Park
design
guidelines
and
the
Secretary
of
interior
standards.
E
A
It
you're
welcome
best
of
luck.
Oh,
we
need
to
enter
some
things
into.