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If
you
are
here
to
present
a
project,
you
will
have
limited
time
to
make
your
presentation,
so
we
suggest
being
thorough
but
concise.
When
coming
to
the
microphone,
you
will
need
to
identify
yourself
and
your
relationship
to
the
project.
The
Commissioners
will
not
ask
any
questions
during
your
presentation.
Your
project
should
be
presented
in
the
following
order:
site
plan,
elevations
architectural
details
and
wall
sections.
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We
will
then
go
in
to
the
staff
report
presented
by
our
staff.
After
that,
we'll
ask
for
public
comment
following
your
presentation.
The
Commissioners
will
be
asking
questions
in
the
same
order
as
the
presentation,
please
State
and
spell
your
name.
Clearly.
If
you
are
here
to
speak
for
or
against
a
project,
your
time
will
be
limited
to
three
minutes.
So
please
so
take
some
time
now.
To
summarize
your
comments,
because
three
minutes
goes
by
very
quickly
following
public
comment,
the
applicant
will
have
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
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Good
evening
Commissioners
and
to
the
public
and
to
our
applicants,
welcome,
we
appreciate
your
cooperation
and
this
temporary
venue
that
we're
holding
our
Hearing
in
this
evening.
We
will
assist
you
with
your
presentations
in
order
so
that
you
can
be
as
effective
as
possible
and
getting
your
point
across
and
delivering
the
information
I
want
to
begin
with
the
customary
conflicts
of
interest
and
expert
take
communication
disclosure
and
our
attorney
will
handle
that.
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K
While
he's
doing
this
I
guess
I'll
go
ahead
and
get
started,
my
name
is
Andy
dahm
and
I'm.
The
CEO
of
design,
Styles
architecture
and
with
me
today
is
Jenny
Callahan,
our
director
of
architecture
and
Justin
Neiman,
who
is
the
department
manager
for
our
residential
division
in
the
company?
We
brought
you
updated
drawings.
We
met
with
the
Tampa
civic
association
last
week
they
presented
some
designs.
Had
some
meetings
with
them
got
some
feedback.
K
We
also
had
a
separate
meeting
with
Elaine
and
Roger,
with
the
civic
association
kind
of
going
over
comments
and
what
you
guys
have
in
front
of
you
as
a
result
of
our
meeting.
So
we
heard
feedback
made
revisions
to
the
plans.
So
what
we're
presenting
to
you
today
is
revisions
based
on
meetings
with
the
city
and
meeting
with
the
civic
association
trying
to
address
the
issues
and
concerns
that
people
had
so.
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K
That
said,
we
are,
we
do
live
in
the
community,
so
our
office
is
on
Columbus,
so
we're
I'm
grateful
to
be
here
and
with
that
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Jenny
Callahan
who's
going
to
start
to
make
the
presentation
is
this
time
to
show
up
and
how
do
we
get
the
full
screen?
Or
can
they
see
that
I
don't
know,
because
this
isn't.
F
M
Go
all
right,
so
we're
talking
about
the
project
on
the
sparksman.
It's
a
duplex
that
we're
proposing
there
are
two
units
total.
The
square
footage
for
each
unit
is
approximately
3622
square
feet.
They
there
is
in
in
the
rear,
we're
using
the
alley
to
have
a
two-car
garage
access
that
is
off
of
the
alley.
That
was
part
of
the
feedback
that
we
had
received
and
we
used
porch
across
the
front
to
help
with
the
streets.
M
So
we're
going
off
of
Sparkman
for
the
main
access
of
the
property,
and
then
the
back
is
the
garages
are
on
the
Lower
Side
off
of
the
alley.
We
did
get
feedback
that
we're
removing
trees
on
Central
to
not
affect
the
structure
and
we're
proposing
putting
back
shade
trees
on
that
side
right
now,
currently
we're
showing
them
all
kind
of
on
the
side
of
the
property
on
the
right
side
of
the
property,
but
where
we
would
like
to
also
put
them
back
just
for
clarity.
M
M
In
terms
of
making
the
building
kind
of
feel
fit
within
the
existing
fabric
of
that
block,
that's
on
there
we
stuck
with
porches
on
the
front
which
are
consistent
with
the
neighboring
properties.
So
this
next
slide
shows
you
the
education
of
buildings
that
are
on
that
and
how
far
roughly
they're
about
17
feet
from
the
property
line
to
the
front
of
porch,
and
so
we
kept
consistent
with
that.
M
M
There
is
room
in
the
garage
to
have
the
trash
cans
in
there,
so
that
was
planned
for
so
that
they're
not
out
in
the
street
and
then,
as
you
go
up
to
the
next
floor,
that's
where
your
main
living
space
is
your
your
kitchen,
dining
room
living
area
with
an
office
in
the
back
and
then
the
top
level
is
your
main
kind
of
bedroom.
So
your
owner's
Suite
into
two
additional
bedrooms.
M
M
When
we
go
to
the
side
elevations,
we
did
adjust
these
side
elevations
some
of
the
feedback
that
we
got
was
we
wanted
it.
They
wanted
it
to
be
more
addressing
Central,
so
we
added
a
bump
out
in
the
dining
room
to
help
bring
some
animation
in
the
front.
We
did
pull
the
siding
down
in
this
elevation,
so
the
siding
goes
all
the
way
to
the
ground.
Previously,
it
did
not
with
the
panels
and
the
siding.
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And
then
the
next
couple
of
slides
these
get
into
the
option,
two
which
nothing
changes
in
the
front,
just
to
show
you
what
we
were
talking
about
previously
on
the
side
we.
This
is
where
the
stucco
is
on
the
on
the
bottom.
On
this
option,
kind
of
relates
to
the
building
the
apartment.
Building
across
the
way
has
is
mostly
stucco
and
has
some
siding
in
it.
This
kind
of
relates
to
that.
So
it
kind
of
keeps
the
fabric
of
the
community
kind
of
consistent
as
you
transition
to
the
single
family.
M
And
then
just
to
give
some
examples
of
kind
of
the
the
similar
elements
that
are
within
the
community
that
we
are
looking
at
on
this.
This
kind
of
goes
through
that,
so
the
front
door
and
window
trim.
These
are
kind
of
consistent
with
the
neighborhood
of
what
we're
thinking.
So
you
have
a
full
light
door.
The
window
trim
around
this
window
is
about
four
inch
kind
of
typical,
so
these
are
all
things
that
we're
seeing
in
the
neighborhood
and
we're
gonna
emulate
on
this
design.
M
Same
with
the
siding
and
the
trim,
it's
fairly
typical
to
what
we're
seeing
and
we're
duplicating
that
on
our
project,
we
do
have
a
kind
of
flat
roof
or
slow
slope
roof
on
this.
So
on
Jefferson
there
is
an
example
of
that
where
they
have
pear
pits.
So
we're
kind
of
emulating
that,
on
the
back
half
of
this
house.
M
And
one
of
the
conversations
that
came
up
as
you
look
on
the
side
elevation
is
that
they
were
asking.
We
have
some
different
window
sizes
and
they
were
asking
if
it
was
something
that
is
within
the
community
already.
So
these
were
examples
of
how
you
see
different
size
openings
across
on
different
houses,
so
that
we're
keeping
within
the
fabric
that's
already
there.
M
M
There's
a
newer
townhome
development,
that's
going
in
off
of
Oaky
street
that
has
a
very
similar
feel
to
what
the
design
that
we're
proposing,
which
is
on
the
lower
left
hand,
side
and
then
some
of
the
other
elements
are.
You
know
the
bump
out.
You
can
see
on
the
left
hand,
side
on
the
upper
left
hand
side.
That's
an
example
on
an
existing
house
for
the
bump
out
in
the
dining
room
that
we
did.
M
M
And
then
there
was
a
talk
of
the
garages
being
attached
and
detached,
so
we
wanted
to
kind
of
represent
that
within
the
community
there
are
structures
that
currently
have
garages
that
are
included
in
the
house.
So
it's
not
a
typical
thing,
but
it
does
happen
within
the
district.
So
that's
why
we
would
like
to
keep
the
garages
as
part
of
the
structure
and
not
as
a
separate
detached
structure.
So
our
lot
is
not
as
deep
as
some
of
the
ones
that
do
have
it
detached.
So
that
was
some
of
the
difficulties
with
doing
that.
M
H
Good
evening
Commissioners
Dennis
Fernandez,
Architects
review
and
historic
preservation
manager,
as
the
applicant
mentioned,
they
did
make
some
changes
from
when
the
exhibit's
deadline
was
was
held,
and
so
some
of
the
drawings
you
saw
today
were
not
reviewed
by
the
staff
but
I
think
generally
I.
Don't
believe
the
staff
comments
are
going
to
change
significantly.
H
H
We
began
by
asking
for
historic
references
for
the
scale
masking
and
building
form
the
materials
trim
and
details,
entrances
and
ports
projections.
We
saw
a
presentation
of
perhaps
options
which
is
atypical
for
this
board.
We
need
to
be
specific
as
to
what
their
request
is.
The
main
objections
deal
with
the
scale
and
height
found
on
page
43
and
through
45,
of
the
Tampax
design
guidelines,
the
massing
and
building
form
on
pages
45
to
46
maintaining
the
materials
in
the
district.
This
was
kind
of
harking
back
to
the
various
materials
that
were
being
introduced
and
I.
H
One
key
element
that
I
wanted
to
note
was
that
there's
non-functional
Shutters
on
the
front
elevation
at
the
third
floor.
That's
an
element
which
this
board
does
not
typically
approve.
We
would
suggest
a
redesign
to
the
floor
plan
to
eliminate
that,
particularly
on
the
front
elevation,
entrances
and
ports
projections
within
the
Tampa
Heights
design
guidelines.
There
is
a
requirement
that
houses
that
are
on
a
corner
have
wrap
around
porches
that
extend
50
percent
of
the
street
facade,
so
that
would
be
along
Central.
H
We
did
see
photos
of
the
number
of
other
structures
and
what
the
details
were,
but
we
really
didn't
see
any
drawings
to
show
the
details,
the
dimensions,
the
the
proportions
and,
as
you
know,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we're
going
to
be
looking
to
stamp
building
plans.
So
photographs
are
inadequate
for
that.
G
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H
Integrated
garage,
this
is
their
their
plan.
That
kind
of
shows
the
garage
integrated
into
the
back.
I
wanted
just
to
kind
of
show
the
last
project
of
a
two-family
residential
dwelling
that
you
reviewed,
which
was
on
Emilia.
And
if
you
recall,
when
that,
then
that
project
came
through
there
was
there
was
about
two
or
three
different
versions
that
that,
had
you
know
continuous
elevation
with
a
two-story
enclosure
with
an
incorporated
garage
and
by
the
time
that
got
through
the
process
and
got.
H
H
In
closing,
we
do
have
our
list
of
materials.
I.
Think
you
know.
Materials
are
very
important
to
the
success
of
a
project
and
we
didn't
see
a
window
sample.
We
didn't
see
really
any
blow-ups
of
details
other
than
references
through
the
presentation,
so
that
may
be
a
line
of
questioning
that
you
want
to
consider
as
well
and
with
that
I'm
available
for
any
questions.
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N
Good
evening
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Mary.
Mccann
I
live
a
couple
of
blocks
up
on
North
Central
Avenue.
We
review
this
project
because
we're
your
next
applicants
and
I
was
shocked
when
I
saw
it
I
think
it's
the
classic
example
of
how
to
fill
the
building
envelope,
the
style
the
pallet
list
they
have
given.
You
is
all
new
materials,
the
scale
alone.
This
does
not
meet
the
Tampa
Heights
design,
guidelines
for
scale
height
and
width,
nor
does
it
meet
the
mass
and
building
form.
It
is
so
different.
N
The
questions
that
you
need
to
have
on
this
sheet.
Yes,
that
back
is
important,
but
so
is
the
mass
of
the
buildings.
Those
houses
represent,
not
that
they
need
to
be
saved,
but
just
so
you
know
they
were
built
by
TPI
and
the
Junior
League
as
Habitat
for
Humanity
houses.
I
used
to
work
on
them
back
in
my
salad
days
and
they're.
Fine
they're
nicely
detailed,
but
then
to
have
this
put
in.
That
is
a
mishmash
of
Styles
when
I
was
doing
National
register
nominations,
I'd
use
the
phrase,
an
encyclopedic
array
of
every
detail
around.
N
It
is
so
incongruous
with
the
streetscape
Central
Avenue
is
a
prominent
Street
and
to
have
no
porch
and
no
addressing
to
the
side
of
it
is
just
so
foreign
to
what
the
Tampa
Heights
design
guidelines
have
been
written
for,
and
we
expect
to
be
enforced
and
I
hope
that
you
appreciate
and
I'm
sure
you
do
how
far
off
the
mark.
These
are
on
those
criterias
alone
and
then
detailing
and
trim
is
just
there
aren't
precedents.
This
is
this,
isn't
preservation.
N
H
G
The
drawings
and
the
this
is
for
the
agent,
the
drawings
show
poor
trailings
of
one
kind,
and
your
photographs
show
portrays
of
a
second
type,
which
one
is
it.
Is
it
the
one
from
the
photographs,
the
one
from
the
drawings,
the
drawings
show
a
porch
railing
of
one
sort,
and
the
photographs
show
us
railings
of
a
different
sort.
So
what
kind
is
it
same?
Question
for
the
brackets.
We
seem
to
be
looking
at
two
different
details:
the.
K
I
think
if
I
can
add
the
intent
of
the
photos,
the
see
our
drawings
weren't
intended
I
apologize
for
where
they
call
out
in
specific
details
that
they
were
meant
to
be
hard
to
act
like
an
arts
and
crafts
style
home.
We
were
following
the
town
homes
that
were
on
Oak
Avenue
as
some
of
that
what
was
approved
but.
L
I
K
I
F
M
F
M
Originally,
we
had
looked
at
doing
three
units
on
this,
because
you
can
put
three
units
on
this
design
and
making
them
possibly
smaller
units
trying
to
maximize
the
density
of
it.
However,
that
design
wasn't
favorable,
so
we
went
a
different
direction
with
that
and
kind
of
went
with
two
units
being
favorable,
but
smaller
than
it
is
Noke.
We
did
not
currently,
okay.
F
I
mean
because
townhouses
and
grow
houses
can
be
certainly
narrower
than
this.
They
don't
need
to
be
wide
enough
to
have
a
two-car
garage
with,
and
just
because
the
setback
says,
this
is
what
the
setback
is
doesn't
mean.
A
building
has
to
be
built
to
the
setback
line
you
on
one
of
the
sheets.
You
also
have
these
claim
to
be
consistent
with
the
setback
of
the
adjacent
properties,
but
that's
just
to
the
face
of
the
porch.
O
O
F
O
O
F
F
F
Just
for
future
reference,
the
the
let
me
put
it
this
way
in
a
question,
because
this
is
a
question
and
answer
period.
How
is
relating
to
a
non-contributing
structure
in
a
non-historic
structure
and
a
completely
non-contributing?
You
know
a
structure
that
has
no
historic
value
at
all.
How
is
relating
to
that?
F
F
F
M
F
Did
you
look
at
putting
detached
garages
on
the
property
and,
as
Dennis
pointed
out,
Mr
Hernandez
Fernandez
pointed
out
that
the
the
the
precedent,
the
only
presidents
in
in
the
district
for
attached
garages
or
garages
as
part
of
a
residence
are
in
non-contributing
non-historic
structures
like
the
apartment
building
across
Central
Avenue
and
those
aren't
precedences
that
create
compatibility
with
historic
districts.
Those
are
aberrations
and
so
for
you
to
be
compatible
with
aberrations.
O
So
in
relation
to
that,
the
project
that
Dennis
brought
up
and
a
few
of
the
other
ones
that
were
kind
of
given
as
examples
are
all
lots
that
are
about
130
to
180
foot
deep.
This
lot,
unfortunately,
is
only
100
foot
deep,
so
it
wouldn't
really
give
that
allowance
to
you
know
kind
of
have
the
separate
structure
there
it
gives
it
does.
F
E
O
E
E
M
I
mean
we
we
looked
at
I
mean
the
porches
kind
of
helped
to
break
down
the
front
of
that
from
the
north
side,
so
that
was
how
we
kind
of
tried
to
address
that
by
breaking
it
down.
We
also
looked
at
you
know,
possibly
putting
a
Terrace
on
top
of
that
in
the
code.
Given
the
footprint
we
were
looking
at,
it
didn't
allow
us
to
do
that
either.
So
we
kind
of
stuck
with
the
porch
off
of
the
front.
E
M
E
K
D
M
D
It
to
me
it
seems
like
it
would
lend
itself
to
be
a
little
more
inviting
if
it
was
a
little
more
open.
Okay,
I
do
realize.
We
have
a
building
code
issue
there
that
if
you
go
above
the
30
inches,
you
have
to
deal
with
that,
but
it
looks
like
you've
kind
of
already
accounted
for
that.
So
just
an
idea.
O
I
think
also
just
to
touch
on
that
the
houses
that
are
next
door
both
have
the
railings
on
the
porches
they're,
all
the
same
height
I.
Think
one
of
the
comments
was
about
keeping
the
porches
all
the
same
as
the
setback
consistent
height
across
the
board.
So
we
were
kind
of
matching
that
and
then
matching
the
detailing
by
putting
a
railing
on
it
as
well
and.
D
M
See
that
well
enough,
but
so
we're
these
are
installed
in
a
CMU
opening.
So
we
are
planning
on
bucking
them
out
and
then
having
them
recessed
kind
of
like
a
a
typical
gel
one
Type
window,
where
it's
aluminum
clotted,
but
has
like
a
sill
profile
that
makes
it
look
like
it
was
there
for
a
while.
Okay.
D
O
O
A
M
D
M
I
can
understand
what
you're
saying
I
think
we
were
also
looking
for
the
best
interests
of
our
client
as
well.
In
terms
of
that
is
it's
not
this
you're
allowed
to
do
certain
things
in
the
district
as
well.
If
the
I
guess
I
would
also
say
in
that
manner
that
you
know
if
you're,
why
have
that
option?
If
that's
not
something
that
you
can
do,
why
put
it
out
there?
Why
make
it
an
option
for
people
to
look
at?
D
D
F
D
F
D
M
D
F
D
K
Just
want
to
I
was
just
talking
to
Dennis
I.
Think
with
all
the
I
appreciate.
All
the
comments
are
all
valid
and
duly
noted,
so
I
think
it
was
you're
a
blessing
I
think
what
we'd
like
to
do
is
just
ask
for
a
continuing
continuance.
Let's
go
back
address
the
things
that
you
guys
are
talking
about
and
then
come
back
and
represent
because
I
already
know
where
this
is
going.
Okay,.
I
E
H
D
P
P
This
is
for
the
address
of
2813
North
Central
Avenue.
This
is
in
the
Tampa
Heights
local
historic
district.
There
is
a
a
non-contributing
structure
there.
Currently
that
will
be
removed
at
the
staff
level.
That
is
a
function
that
the
administration
can
do.
The
underlying
zoning
is
rs50
attached
to
this.
This
parcel.
The
request
is
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
new
construction,
for
a
primary
structure,
a
detached
accessory
structure
with
site
improvements
moving
through
the
photo
presentation.
P
Just
some
reference
points
you
have
Columbus
Drive,
heading
east
and
west.
We
have
Central
Avenue
towards
north
to
south.
The
subject
side
is
highlighted
in
the
green
parcel
and
it's
also
a
circle
in
1929
which
is
Sanborn
represents.
There
was
one
structure
that
was
there
known
as
the
robo's
house,
and
that
was
the
homestead
for
that
home
side
of
Central
Avenue
from
what
was
Michigan,
which
is
Columbus
tribe
to
the
north.
P
The
map,
once
again,
you
have
Columbus
Drive
to
the
South.
You
have
Central
Avenue,
which
the
parcel
faces.
You
still
have
a
blank
parcel
and
then
the
contributing
structure
that
was
there
in
1929
is
currently
still
there
and
being
rehabbed
as
we
speak.
And
then,
as
you
go
to
the
north,
you
see
some
infill
fabric
there
of
non-contributing
structures,
and
this
is
one
of
those
non-contributing
structures.
P
P
Forward
this
is
the
current
curb
cut.
If
you
look
here,
the
Kirk
as
it
intersects
with
at
the
facade
of
the
non-contributing
structure,
they
looked
at
different
scenarios,
doing
the
curb
cut
in
this
location
and
then
running
it
all
the
way
back.
There
was
some
tree
issues
that
natural
resources
called
out,
so
the
curb
cut
is
going
to
be
on
the
North
side.
This
is
on
the
South
Side
it'll,
be
on
the
north
side
of
the
property.
P
This
is
just
looking
at
the
subject
site
once
again.
This
is
the
front
facade
and
the
South
facade
of
the
non-contributing
structure.
You
see
some
of
the
trees
in
the
background
and
then
looking
at
the
new
construction
that
was
in
front
of
this
board
that
they
approved.
This
is
the
a
budding
house
to
the
South.
P
Going
back
to
the
subject
site,
you
see
the
canopy
of
the
trees.
In
the
background,
this
is
the
front
elevation.
This
is
the
north
elevation
I
spoke
about
the
site
receiving
the
the
vehicular
access
on
the
North
side.
The
curbs
already
depressed
here
this
is
a
grand
tree,
but
it
has
no
value
natural
resources.
P
Looked
at
it
and
this
tree
can
be
removed,
as
you
continue
down
this
side
of
the
parcel
once
you
get
to
that
car
and
you
look
Beyond,
this
is
a
generous
site
that
site
dimensions
are
80
in
the
front
by
200,
deep,
approximately.
So
it's
a
very
large
parcel,
so
you're
going
to
see
the
footprint
of
the
house
that's
being
designed
and
expressed
this
evening,
but
take
it
in
consideration
with
the
overall
site
proportions
as
well,
and
this
is
the
subject
site.
P
Excuse
me,
this
is
the
abutting
structure
to
the
north,
another
non-contributing
structure
and
just
wanted
to
conclude
with
a
couple
of
Street
shots.
Central
Avenue
is
a
grand
Corridor.
It
has
some
of
the
largest
homes
in
Tampa
Heights
on
the
corridor.
You
see
the
retainment
of
the
historic
bricks.
You
see
the
granite,
curbings
and
alliance's
history.
This
is
looking
to
the
north
and
just
turn
it
around
to
the
South.
These
photos
will
be
here
if
you
need
assistance
as
the
presentation
moves
forward
and
I'll
be
here
to
answer
any
questions
as
well.
A
A
A
A
Again,
our
thanks
for
allowing
us
to
present
this
evening.
This
property
does
have
a
non-contributing
structure
on
it,
and
the
owner
would
like
to
demolish
that
and
place
a
structure
that
we
feel
will
be
adding
to
the
character
and
meet
the
guidelines
of
the
Tampa
Heights
overlay
and
going
through
the
site
plan.
A
We
are
going
to
have
a
quarter
for
sure
and
to
the
north
of
the
property
that
will
encase
the
ribbons
that
will
be
attached
to
the
new,
concrete
apron
to
the
north
and
we'll
be
presented
earlier
and
then
to
the
rear.
We
would
have
a
paver
driveway
system
that
will
work
to
allow
parking
for
the
two
plus
one
garage
on
the
first
floor
with
a
accessory
door
upstairs.
A
In
designing
the
whiff
we
wanted
to
keep
the
masking
and
proportions
consistent,
because
this
is
a
large
lot
almost
about
80
feet
wide.
We
positioned
the
house
as
close
to
the
center
as
possible
within
the
setback
and
then
also
adhering
to
the
40-foot
yard
setback
that
we
actually
did
on
the
houses
to
the
South
that
we
had
designed
previously.
That
is
listed.
A
A
We
are
keeping
all
the
trees
on
the
lot,
with
the
reduction
of
the
two
smaller
trees
in
the
back
and
then
the
production
of
the
tree
in
the
front.
That
was
Metro
resources
has
stated
as
being
disease
and
able
to
be
removed
together
the
the
alignment
and
setback
of
the
house
in
the
quarter,
cashier,
who
feel
grease
and
mice
commentary
Harmony.
A
A
This
is
a
wide
angle
view
of
the
parcel
here,
where
the
two
can
have
story.
Structure
will
sit
that
will
be
in
line
with
the
other
two
houses
that
were
built
to
the
South
and
then
the
local
park.
The
robo's
house
is
the
larger
house,
that's
shown
in
the
corner
here
for
case
studies.
We
get
looked
at.
We
had
referenced
houses
in
the
area
that
would
contribute
to
some
of
our
overall
design
criteria.
So
far
as
the
columns
with
the
balcony
of
the
forge
configuration,
roof
and
Gable
setbacks,.
A
A
I
A
A
A
A
A
In
the
front
facade
here,
where
we're
keeping
in
line
with
the
our
case,
studies
I
presented
earlier,
try
to
maintain
the
Harmony
and
balance
and
Conformity
with
the
columns,
the
tapered
column
and
then
keep
it.
The
same
width
of
the
top
of
the
table
to
continue
the
columns
along
without
me,
with
with
railing
patterns,
window
trim,
201
light
configuration
door
with
sideline
on
the
first
floor
and
using
a
good
cable
configurations.
A
P
Good
evening
Commissioners
Ron
velam
staff
with
historic
preservation.
There
are
two
letters
that
were
submitted
they're
in
the
record
in
a
Cella
and
they're,
also
in
your
packets.
I
want
to
put
that
into
the
record
as
well
satisfying
that
this
application
is
consistent
with
the
Tampa
Heights
design
guidelines.
With
the
plans
that
we
reviewed
on
August
23rd
2023..
P
The
first
one
is,
with
all
applications
that
come
forward.
We
have
a
team
of
City
reviewers
that
look
at
the
project
through
zoning
Transportation
natural
resources
to
give
input
to
see
if
it's
consistent
with
our
codes
and
the
codes
that
are
applicable
to
each
department
coming
forward.
There
were
no
variances
that
were
requested
for
this
request
this
evening,
the
first
one
with
natural
resources,
the
original
design
that
came
in
was
in
conflict
with
some
of
the
trees
that
were
on
site,
as
the
presenters
stated
that
there's
only
going
to
be
three
trees
removed.
P
At
this
point,
one
of
the
grand
trees
in
the
backyard.
There
was
a
question
that
if
they
could
move
the
accessory
structure
to
the
north
to
get
out
of
the
protective
radius
so
that
the
accessory
structure
does
impregnate
the
protective
radius
but
slightly
and
then
with
a
sand-based
paver.
That
would
be
acceptable
as
presented
in
tonight's
site
plan.
That
was
shown.
P
What,
as
part
of
the
discussion
for
all
new
construction
coming
forward,
is
the
setbacks?
I
believe
that
they
showed
some
precedent
along
that
street,
that
they're
consistent
with
and
also
elevation
from
grade
I
think
that
needs
to
be
talked
about
as
well.
The
structure
has
some
width
to
it,
so
the
elevation
will
complement
the
width
of
the
structure.
P
P
P
You
look
at
these
and
they're
engaged
into
the
front
facade
and
the
porch,
with
the
the
structures
in
in
tow
I
wanted
to
show,
through
the
Field
Guide,
to
American
homes
that
we
use
as
well
different
variety
of
homes.
This
is
a
Queen
Anne.
You
see
down
here
that
the
porter
cashier
has
pushed
back
from
the
front
facade.
P
P
P
Moving
to
the
the
Dormers
or
the
cross
Gable
on
the
roof,
there
was
some
concerns
that
it,
the
the
original
design
jumped
up,
and
this
presentation
today
they
lowered
it
to
be
consistent
with
the
main
Ridge
I,
still
think.
There's
additional
discussion
that
needs
to
take
place
with
the
pitch
of
that
that
roof,
the
Hardy
Board,
was
called
out
as
smooth
I,
believe
the
attention
to
the
details
and
the
railing
sections
need
to
be
addressed
a
little
further
this
this
evening.
P
Going
to
the
accessory
structure,
they
showed
a
three
base
system.
The
single
door
should
be
broken
up
into
a
double
door
system,
with
a
heavy
Mall
in
the
middle.
It
can
operate
as
one
overhead
sectional
door,
but
when
it's
closed
it
should
have
that
division.
So
it
looks
like
two
separate
doors
and
then
to
conclude
on
page
four
of
your
staff
report,
a
complete
material
palette.
He
does
have
some
sections.
P
D
N
Q
Q
You
know
if
this
is
my
house.
These
are
the
ones
on
the
west
side
of
the
street.
These
are
the
ones
next
to
the
property
we're
discussing.
So
this
shows
along
that
same
side
of
the
street.
This
would
be
the
new
one
massively
bigger
than
the
ones
on
either
side
of
it,
so
that
that's
my
biggest
concern
is
the
in
having
this
become
a
precedent.
Q
Changing
the
look
of
the
neighborhood
I
bought
into
the
neighborhood
10
years
ago,
because
I
love
the
character
of
the
history
and
the
history
of
the
neighborhood
and
starting
to
put
these
new
buildings
in
that
don't
match
and
don't
belong
in.
The
neighborhood
scares
me
because
there's
other
houses
that
could
get
torn
down
in
these
massive
new
modern-ish
looking
I
know.
This
doesn't
look
really
modern,
but
so
that's
why
I'm
here
today
is
because
I'm
scared
of
what
the
future
may
bring
if
we
keep
going
down
the
line
and
making
exceptions.
So
thank.
N
Foreign
hello
again,
my
name
is
Mary
McCann,
and
we
are
here
because
we
want
this
new
house
to
be
reflective
of
the
Tampa
Heights
design
guidelines
to
the
criteria
for
massing
and
building
form
says
that
and
I'll
start
start
over
again.
Sorry,
the
two-story
porches
are
incompatible
with
the
criteria
for
massing
and
building
form
to
adjacent
historic
buildings.
It
is
permissible
to
use
the
massing
and
form
in
new
construction
of
adjacent
historic
structures.
We
do
not
have
alleys.
N
N
This
is
not
where
you
want
a
two-story
porch.
It
just
adds
to
the
verticality
of
the
house.
As
you
know,
another
misnomer.
The
balconies
are
not
porches
and
speaking
to
what
we
saw
in
the
previous
presentation,
we
do
not
use
inaccuracies
as
precedents.
A
balcony
is
a
platform
put
in
front
of
a
window
or
door
and
can
be
supported
from
the
bottom.
It
is
a
porch
when
it
is
at
the
main
entrance.
Do
not
use
that
as
the
precedent.
N
Nor
should
you
use
for
the
precedent,
the
two-story
house
on
Amelia
a
corner
lot
where
it
too
abuts
single-story
houses
and
should
have
been
done
in
accordance
with
the
design
guidance
also
on
a
corner,
and
you
have
no
turns
as
far
as
the
myth
about
all.
There
are
no
two-story
porches
on
houses
in
Tampa
Heights,
the
two-story
buildings
that
predominate
or
or
excuse
me
there
are
many
of
them
were
built
either
they're
as
Flats.
We
know
them
as
duplexes
today
or
they
were
built
as
Apartments.
N
This
is
proved
by
the
Sanborn
Maps,
the
ones
that
some
of
them,
like
the
one
that
Dennis
showed,
and
this
are
rebuilds
of
older
houses
or
excuse
me
older
flats
or
apartments.
They
are
not
of
the
precedent
else.
We
feel
very
strongly
as
I.
You
did
too
that
if
you're
going
to
use
a
precedent
or
a
touchstone,
it
should
meet
the
Tamp
Heights
design
guidelines
outright.
It
should
be
founded
on
an
understanding
in
the
historical
development
in
the
neighborhood
and
also
its
architectural
history.
N
Excuse
me
in
its
development
history,
it's
architectural
history
and
also
not
be
the
product
of
a
design
guideline
or
grandfathered
in
another.
Misnomer
is
this
is
a
poor
coach
share?
It
is
not.
It
is
a
carport.
We
do
not
have
carports
in
Tampa
Heights
a
port
co-share
definition,
I
didn't
I,
don't
like
McAllister
I,
don't
use
her,
but
the
definition
of
a
port
co-share
is
a
roof
structure
extending
from
the
entrance
of
the
building
over
an
adjacent,
driveway
and
Sheltering
both
getting
in
and
out
of
cars.
There
are
plenty
in
Tampa
Heights.
N
R
R
D
J
R
Yes,
my
name
is
Jason
Seuss
and
I
live
at
2811
North
Central
Avenue,
my
family
and
I
moved
to
the
to
Tampa
Heights
area
back
in
2020.,
one
of
the
things
that
we
love
the
most
about
it.
We
bought
a
new
build
one
of
the
times
and
a
lot
of
the
a
lot
of
the
neighbors
that
are
here
with
us
today.
We're
here
fighting
back
then
to
make
sure
that
the
historical
code
was
was
maintained
and
represented.
Thank
God.
R
You
know
as
researching
this
and
going
through
the
the
guidelines
for
the
landscaping
and
and
emphasizes
the
development
of
new
driveways
and
walkways
be
similar
to
The.
Originals
recently
I'm
excited
to
report
that
the
residents
work
with
city
transportation
and
they
agreed
not
to
use
the
flare
driveway.
Instead,
the
driveway
matching
the
original
radial
flare
was
approved,
so
we're
very
excited
about
that.
R
As
for
the
concrete
elements
you'll
see
here
in
the
designs,
they
provide
a
strong
visual
link
between
the
old
and
the
new
we
like
to
say
it
keeps
the
rhythm
of
the
streetscape
when
you're
walking
around
with
your
family,
your
dogs,
that's
very,
very
important
to
us
that
that
that's
maintained
the.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
that
happens
and
we're
looking
to
you
all
to
ensure
that
happens
for
us
and
for
the
few
for
future
residents.
R
R
As
you
can
see
the
original
home
here
from
1967
the
radial
flare
apron
with
the
roll
shoulders
at
2813
that
design
the
design
of
the
the
thdg
says
the
design
of
the
replacement
driveway
should
match,
and
this
design
was
what
was
approved
by
the
transportation
for
reuse.
So,
as
you
can
see
here
in
the
in
the
pictures
below
and
that's
the
existing
curb
cut
right
there,
the
other
thing
that
we
want
to
talk
about
are
the
seven
foot
wide.
R
If
you
look
at
the
picture
right
here,
seven
foot
wide
walkway,
concrete
steps
with
with
the
Steep
sorry
the
step
cheeks.
The
width
of
the
walkway
is
too
wide
for
the
neighborhood
pattern
of
old,
older
and
new
walks.
Masonry
steps,
particularly
on
new
houses
generally
and
appropriately,
have
stepped
cheeks
instead
of
wooden
railing.
The
wooden
railing
are
generally
with
woods,
with
wooden
steps
so
to
conform
with
tea,
thdg
28
2813
walks
need
to
be
narrower
and
conform
to
the
four,
and
so
four
and
six
foot
scored
panels.
R
As
you
can
see,
this
is
our
home
in
the
middle.
That's
the
five
foot
with
Steve
Steve
step
cheek.
Sorry,
forgive
me
I'm
new
to
this,
and
then
also
you
can
see
on
the
picture
on
the
far
right.
The
sidewalk
in
front
of
the
2813
lot
four
feet
by
five:
five
and
a
half
feet
long
scored
panels
they
dominate
the
same
pattern
needs
to
be
used.
Oh
sorry,
all
right!
It
needs.
F
J
J
J
J
You've
actually
already
seen
my
house
he
was
presented,
but
while
I
Echo
all
the
opinions
that
you
have
heard
and
all
the
sentiments
I
I'm
just
going
to
use
my
time
to
focus
on
the
accessory
structure
that
is
proposed
for
the
back
of
the
main
structure
and
I
worry
that
it
is
one
excessively
large
I
mean
the
entire
house
is
is
is
is
is
is
enormous.
It
is
larger
than
anything
that
is
on
my
street
and
I'm,
including
the
entire
Street.
Here.
J
I
plead
and
I
asked
this
commission
to
consider
the
guidelines
when
you
consider
your
decision
about
this
proposal
today.
Those
guidelines
are
there
for
a
reason.
It
is
to
keep
Tampa
Heights
historic,
I
love
that
I
live
in
a
historic
neighborhood.
I
love
that
I'm
raising
my
family
in
one
I
believe
very
strongly
that
maintaining
and
preserving
the
historical
Integrity
of
the
neighborhood
is
not
just
culturally
significant.
J
For
obvious
reasons:
I'm
not
going
to
elaborate
on
those
I
know
you
know
them,
but
it
it
maintains
a
sense
of
identity
in
the
neighborhood,
a
sense
of
permanency
of
historic
integrity
and
I.
Think
it's
been
well
established
by
now
that
it
also
lends
itself
to
a
certain
quality
of
life
that
I
for
one
want
to
continue,
as
well
as
economic
stability
in
the
area.
J
I
I
think
it's
crucial
and
that's
why
those
guidelines
are
there
and
and
that's
why
I
plead
with
you
to
please
consider
them
when
you
consider
your
decision
today
and
if
you,
if
you
consider
the
historic
guidelines,
The
Proposal
as
it
stands
in
front
of
you
is
simply
not
in
accordance
with
them,
so
that
that's
what
I'm
asking
of
you
today.
Thank
you
very
much.
L
Thank
you
all
right
good
evening,
thanks
for
having
me,
my
name
is
David
Brady,
my
wife
and
I
live
in
the
property
directly
south,
so
28
11.5,
North,
Central,
Avenue
I
came
here
many
years
ago
from
Virginia
I
actually
lived
in
Fredericksburg
Virginia
I
lived
in
the
historic
district
bought
a
house
in
the
historic
district
and
you
kind
of
renovated.
That
house
so
I
appreciate
your
task
in
actually
being
able
to
keep
the
consistency
with
local
regulations
with
the
character
of
the
community
and
the
historic
feel
of
where
we're
living.
L
So
thank
you
very
much
for
the
job
that
you're
doing
I.
Think
consistency
is
the
key
word
there
right,
so
consistency
with
guidelines,
consistency
with
immediately
surrounding
properties
and
structures
and
consistently
with
the
historic
field.
So
when
you
look
at
you
know
three
primary
things.
In
my
view,
that
kind
of
violate
that
consistency.
You
know
first
the
third
floor
of
this
building,
which
we'll
call
a
dormer
for
argument's
sake,
I
guess,
but
really
that
is
completely
inconsistent
with
the
immediately
surrounding
housing
and
structure
right.
L
In
addition,
you
see
the
two-story,
the
two-story
porch
there
again,
no
consistency
with
what
you
see
in
the
immediately
surrounding
area
and
I.
Think
consistency
is
what
you're
looking
for
and
then
the
third,
the
third
primary
issue
again,
is
this
secondary
structure,
which
in
many
cases
would
be
and
big
enough
to
be
a
primary
structure
on
any
one
of
the
properties
in
the
local
area?
L
It's
a
total
of
1500
square
feet
is
that
secondary
structure,
which
amounts
to
when
you
put
a
garage
with
that
secondary
structure,
it
amounts
to
an
adjoining
Garage
in
what
could
be
a
primary
living
resonance.
So
a
couple
things
that
I
want
to
bring
backup
that
were
brought
up
earlier
by
all
the
panel
members.
Right
is
what
we're
looking
for
we're
not
looking
for
consistency
with
aberrations.
Right,
we
don't
want
consistency.
We
have
any
aberrations
in
the
neighborhood,
we're
looking
for
compatibility
with
the
immediately
surrounding
area,
not
properties
that
are
blocks
away.
L
Definitely
not
looking
for
consistency
with
a
book
showing
houses
that
are
nowhere
near
the
property,
so
I'm
not
sure
the
relevance
there
and
then
the
the
last
point
that
was
made
by
the
by
folks
on
the
board
is
maximizing.
What
you
can
do
on
the
lot
is
not
necessarily
the
best
thing
that
you
can
do
for
that
lot.
I'm
pretty
sure.
I
heard
that
tonight
previously.
L
D
D
A
The
square
footage
of
the
accessory
structure
is
1500
square
feet,
the
that
includes
the
porch
and
the
balcony
and
the
stairs.
So
it's
really
about
1200
square
foot
walled
wall,
the
main
primary
residence
is
3
200
square
feet,
and
that's
this
about
it's
the
same
size
as
wobble's
house,
which
is
three
houses
to
the
South.
So
even
the
facade
is
the
same
width
as
the
world's
house.
So
we
designed
this
house.
We
were
keeping
imprecedent
of
what's
been
there
and
with
size
and
proportion
the
accessories
structure
in
the
rear.
F
F
F
A
A
F
A
F
A
F
P
I
A
I
F
I'll
tell
you
what
yeah
you
can
say
on
that
side:
elevation
North
that
isn't
very
elegant,
mass
and
elevation
of
the
property
of
that
structure,
except
that
doesn't
face
the
street
right.
Now
you
go
to
the
front
elevation,
the
faces,
the
street
right
and
it's
honest
to
God
God
awful
with
the
garage
just
to
use
a
technical
term.
But
can
you
tell
me
why
similar
scale
proportions
and
massing
breakdowns
can't
happen
on
this
elevation,
as
happens
on
this
North
elevation.
S
F
F
I
A
S
F
Noticeable
when
you
drive
or
stand
and
walk
when
you
drive
down
neighbors
and
you
walk
through
neighborhoods
right
as
I
know,
you
do
and
you
look
down
through
these
people's
port
co-shares
and
you
look
at
what
you're
seeing
right
and
you
you
that's
part
of
the
elevation,
what
you
see
through
the
port
kosher.
It's
actually
focused
because
you're
looking
through
a
foreclosure.
So
that's
what
that's!
What
people's
eyes
are
focused
on.
A
F
A
A
F
F
F
The
window
mashing
on
the
front
elevation
of
the
of
the
accessory
structure
is
also
the
windows
proportions
and
scale
of
the
west
elevation
are
so
much
worse
than
on
the
other
elevations.
The
reason
why
those
windows
are
so
small
can
they
be
redesigned
we're
not
asking
for
the
floor
plan
of
what's
upstairs,
but
you
know
it's
just
it's
unfortunate
they're,
not
they're,
not
a.
A
F
A
A
S
F
A
C
F
F
A
A
P
Historically,
the
ribbons
were
three
foot,
one
one
strip,
two
foot
in
the
middle
and
then
three
foot,
today's
Transportation
technical
standard
tactical
manual
calls
for
333.
So
we've
adjusted
that
to
accommodate
that
just
to
get
into
that
drive
out,
usually
the
the
apron
is,
is
a
concrete
apron.
That's
the
material
scored
appropriately.
You
have
your
your
horizontal
sidewalk
that
comes
through
then
on
the
private
property
side.
You
start
your
ribbons.
Your
ribbons
are
scored
every
five
foot
as
it
comes
into
the
property.
P
You
have
your
your
your
form
and
then
every
five
foot
you
score
it
under
the
portica
share,
usually
there's
a
solid
pour
because
nothing
grows
underneath
there,
and
then
you
can
continue
to
the
back.
You
have
your
ribbons
and
then
you
have
your
private
space
in
the
back
that
you
have
your
pavers
and
in
this
situation
to
accommodate
the
trees.
So
the
tree
has
a
long
life
that
pavers
are
requested
through
natural
resources,
yeah.
P
I
E
It's
been
a
lot
of
talk
about
the
portica
share
and
then
the
two-story
and
I
wonder
if
what
is
making
this
look.
Unusual
is
well
two
things.
A
porter
for
sure
does
typically
allow
the
owner
coverage
from
getting
out
of
the
car
to
entering
the
house
and,
in
this
case,
they're
uncovered
whether
they're
entering
the
front
or
the
side,
and
that
is
unusual
and
then
in
elevation
and
in
your
in
your
rendering
I.
Almost
wonder
if
it's
the
change
in
ceiling
height,
but
something
just
isn't
quite.
A
S
A
I
A
A
A
A
A
Yes,
well,
we
right
now
we
just
have
a
curved
radius
steps,
but
we
can,
when
we
do.
The
welcome
walls
is
kind
of
a
permitting
issue
where
it
can
be
considered
part
of
the
main
resonance
where
we
have
to
push
the
house
further,
because
it's
kind
of
like
those
are
the
steps,
are
kind
of
that
ambiguity,
even
though
the
weapon
wall
is
kind
of.
I
A
D
A
Thank
you,
this
is
seems
so
over
us
overall
front
section
of
the
primary
residence
for
our
steps
leading
up
to
a
slap
our
brain.
We
have
our
columns
with
the
baseball
Masonry
and
then
with
a
smaller
masonry,
columns
with
tapered
us
framing
up
to
the
Capitol,
and
then
we
have
our
overhang
for
a
balcony
that
will
be
chasing
zero
and
then
continue
the
wood
framing.
That
would
be
a
case.
A
The
railing
again
here
we're
keep
matching
from
the
porch
to
the
balcony
three
feet.
The
house
will
be
all
masonry
two
levels
with
a
free
engineer:
roof
framing
system.
We
have
our
five
inch,
Hardie
board,
lap,
siding
smooth
finish
and
also
our
hardwood
Hardy
Board
perforated,
socket
that'll,
be
shown
on
the
outlookers.
A
Shows
a
Precast
seal
system,
but
we
are
going
to
use
something
to
be
more
performing
with
the
storage
standards,
so
this
detail
will
be
modified
to
fit
our
profile
with
a
hard
assignment
that
will
have
a
drip
edge
on
it.
So
it'll
look
more
like
what
we
presented
and
what
I
presented
in
the
finish
here.
D
D
D
Did
you
show
us
a
sample
of
the
papers,
you're
planning
to
use?
No
I,
don't
have
a
sample
of
that
okay
and
then
also
on
your
I.
Believe
I
saw
on
your
stem
wall,
you're
planning
to
use
brick
veneer
I'm,
assuming
that's
a
thin
brick.
Yes,
yeah
veneer
right
kind
and
you
don't
have
a
sample
of
that
either.
Oh
no.
D
For
me
personally,
the
front
porch
roof
within
the
Gable,
and
then
this
side
Gable
going
out
the
rear
they
seem
to
be
fighting
each
other
is
I,
was
listening
to
your
presentation,
just
kind
of
going
through
my
memory
bank
of
historic
homes
that
I've
seen
in
the
areas
and
not
just
in
Tampa
Heights
but
other
places
and
of
course,
I
know.
We
want
to
look
at
just
Tampa
Heights,
but
just
trying
to
go
through
I
I.
D
First
and
foremost
was
there
any
renderings
done
that
increased
the
pitch
of
the
roof.
That
might
would
enable
you
to
Nestle
this
half
third
floor.
If
you
want
to
call
it
that
up,
underneath
that
running
front
to
back,
potentially
rather
than
side
to
side,
which
would
then
allow
you
to
maybe
have
your
five
foot
knee
walls
I
mean
not
knowing
what
the
third
floor
plan
is
for
it's
a
little
difficult
to
know
if
it
can
or
cannot
be
done,
but
it
just
seems
like
they're.
D
A
S
A
A
D
D
D
If
all
it
does
is,
maybe
throw
that
Ridge
a
little
higher
I
did
not
check
to
see
how
high
you
were
if
you're
fighting
so
you've
you've
got
some
some
room
there
to
stay
Within,
the
building
code
requirements
or
zoning
requirements.
So
I
have
to
ask
this
question
then,
on
the
accessory
structure,
because.
D
D
C
T
D
F
Point
I'll:
ask
you
another
question:
if
you
stand,
let
me
ask
a
question
right
now:
if
you
stand
at
the
north
of
the
curb
cut,
basically
near
the
property
line
on
the
sidewalk,
and
you
look
back
through
the
carport,
what
are
you
going
to
see?
What's
your
visual
angle,
what
are
you
going
to
see?
No,
no
we're.
C
F
F
C
S
D
D
A
D
And
I
can
appreciate
the
size
of
the
lot
in
comparison
to
other
Lots,
which
is
why
I'm
not
asking
too
many
questions
about
the
mass
of
this
primary
structure
and
the
accessory
structure,
because
I
do
realize
it
is
a
larger
lot.
A
much
deeper
lot
like
I
said
my
line
of
questioning
on
the
primary
structure
was
more
of
just
trying
to
figure
out
a
way
to
eliminate
that
cockpit
or
airplane
model.
I
D
I
I
get
that
with
the
mindset
is
you
won't
see
it,
but
I
tend
to
agree
that
the
pedestrians
going
up
and
down
the
street
probably
we'll
see
it
and
right
now
what
I'm
seeing
is
with
a
few
changes,
a
primary
structure
that
I
walk
by
and
go
that's
a
really
nice
looking
place
and
then
I
look
through
and
go
wait
a
minute.
This
house
was
built,
you
know
80
years
ago
and
this
house
was
or
the
accessory
was
built
the
last
10
years,
because
it
looks
that
drastic
of
a
difference
to
me.
D
D
G
I
have
an
additional
question:
okay,
yeah
Mr
McCants,
and
this
is
a
kind
of
a
zoning
question.
Okay,
so
or
well.
Actually
it
has
to
do
with
the
size
of
the
accessory
dwelling
unit.
Is
it
currently
maxed
out?
No,
so
in
fact
you
could
get
a
much
more
symmetrical
right
building
if
you
just
made
the
accessory
dwelling.
G
G
Well,
there's
there's
the
the
carport,
which
is
a
great
distance
from
the
street
and
it's
on
the
ground,
the
the
surface
treatment
there,
because
the
pavers
allow
it
to
be
to
absorb
more
more
water
and
so
that
the
surface
you
know
the
soil
underneath.
So
that
seems
to
me
to
be
a
good
thing
and
then,
when
you
look
through
the
carport,
however,
to
me
it
is
visually
pleasing,
just
in
the
in
the
site
plan
to
have
that.
Third,
that
the
third
garage
door
line
up
with
the
carport.
G
D
D
A
A
I
do
feel
that
our
design
meets
the
12
criteria.
That
stated
within
the
design
guidelines
and
the
design
guidelines
are
made
to
create
a
uniformity
but
to
add
some
architectural
variation
and
create
a
nice
architectural
diversity
using
those
same
period
Styles
in
the
neighborhood.
That's
why
they
aren't
as
tight,
where
you
don't
have
say,
a
replicant
of
a
design
model
that
will
create
the
maximum
Conformity.
S
A
A
little
bit
of
diversity
is
is
good
that
allows
us
as
Architects
to
practice
and
create
using
those
period
elements
in
a
different
way.
That
would
still
be
harmonious
and
that's
why
I
believe
that
we
did
we
did.
We
can
still
work
with
staff
to
create
a
better
proportion
of
Harmony,
especially
with
that
half
story,
but
and
welcome
any
feedback
from
the
neighbors,
but
I
feel
that
we're
pretty.
F
I
mean
all
in
all:
it's
not
horrible,
but
it's
big
and
they're
volumetric
problems.
There
are
symmetrical
problems,
there's
alignment
problems,
there's
you
know
the
garage,
proportioning
and
scale
and
mass
I
think
the
front
elevation
could
be
broken
up
more
volumetrically,
somehow
I
think
the
third
floor.
F
D
D
But
some
of
these,
but
in
regards
to
to
this
one
I
I
I,
feel
like
there
are
probably
I
feel
like
the
project
is
headed
the
right
direction
and
I
feel
like
from
what
I've
heard.
Even
though
there's
concerns
from
the
neighborhood
that
I
have
taken
to
heart
and
listened
to
I'm
sure
you
guys
have
as
well.
D
F
D
F
Off
because
we're
asking
I
mean
not
the
conditions
I
ran,
you
know,
I
wrote
a
whole
bunch
of
conditions
and
I'm,
like
the
conditions,
are
all
considered
this
considered
and
we
have
no
control
over
them.
Considering
we
can't
dictate
that
as
36.,
but
I
don't
think
we
can
improve.
With
this
many
considered
conditions.
G
I
would
like
to
say
that
I
feel
that
the
front
elevation
is
compatible
with
those
buildings
in
the
district.
It
is
not
consistent,
perhaps
with
the
buildings
on
the
street,
but
it
is
compatible
with
the
buildings
in
the
district,
and
it
is
our
task
to
to
make
it
compatible
with
the
district
and
not
with.
D
A
Yes,
I
would
like
to
have
this
time
to
state
that
we
would
like
the
book.
I
spoke
with
the
owners
and
they
would
like
to
request
their
continuance
for
and
work
on
the
details
and
present
again
some
of
the
items
and
get
some
more
feedback.
So
we
can
tighten
up
the
design,
and
so
we
can
do
it.
The
next
hearing
date
do
we
have
an
available
date.
A
B
H
Good
evening
Commissioners
Dennis,
Fernandez
architecture,
review
and
historic
preservation
manager.
The
next
case
is
located
in
the
Seminole
Heights
local
historic
district
at
5302
North,
Central
Avenue.
It
is
a
request
for
new
construction
of
an
addition
to
a
primary
structure
along
with
site
improvements.
Yes,
thank
you.
H
H
H
B
Hi,
my
name
is
Alan
Dobbs
with
Florida
Design
Studio
5502
North,
Cherokee
Avenue.
It
was
great
to
see
in
those
pictures,
Dennis
Central,
Avenue
opened
it's
been
closed
for
like
two
years
so,
and
it's
also
good
to
see
this
house,
because
before
the
current
owners
purchase
it,
you
could
hardly
see
it
because
of
the
Uber
growth.
So
the
first
thing
they
did
is
just
basically
cleared
out
all
the
trees
and
and
overgrowth.
B
So,
as
I
mentioned,
the
the
property
was
recently
purchased
by
by
a
couple
a
married
couple
and
they
want
to
restore
the
house,
but
they
also
need
some
additional
living
area.
The
buildings
and
grounds,
as
you
could
see,
were
in
pretty
pretty
rough
shape
and
I'm
going
to
start
with
just
showing
the
survey
the
existing
survey
to
kind
of
orients
you
to
the
property.
You.
B
B
Screen
porch
with
an
additional
porch
extension
right
here
and
then
wood
steps
with
some
welcome
walls
on
either
side.
As
you
can
see,
we
have
pretty
decent
setbacks
on
the
North
and
the
South.
The
house
has
one
main
Gable
facing
the
front,
and
then
it
has
a
smaller
Gable,
as
you
saw
in
the
photos
on
the
rear.
B
The
scope
of
the
work
for
this
project
basically
includes
adding
new
living
space
in
the
Attic.
It
has
a
pretty
decent
sized
attic
that
you
can
stand
up
in
to,
but
we
need
to.
We
have
a
few
things:
we're
going
to
do
to
sort
of
maximize
the
sealant
height
to
make
it
more
usable
space
and
one
of
those
things
is
adding
shed
Dormers
to
the
side
which
you'll
see
in
the
elevations.
B
But
we
want
to
build
out
the
attic
too,
so
it
kind
of
minimizes
the
footprint
on
how
much
we're
expanding
the
building
for
the
additional
living
area
that
my
clients
want.
So,
as
I
said,
it's
a
two
bedrooms
one
bath,
but
we're
going
to
be
expanding.
It
create
two
two
bedrooms
on
the
second
floor
with
the
bathroom
and
then
what
was
the
bedroom
on
the
the
second
bedroom
on
the
first
floor,
we're
going
to
move
that
to
the
back
and
then
reconfigure,
the
interior.
So
we
create
more
of
a
so.
B
We
can
have
a
master
Suite,
which
is
one
of
the
most
popular
things
to
do
with
these
old
houses,
and
then
obviously
we
need
to
incorporate
a
stair
and
and
then
also
rear
porch.
So
this
is
the
the
survey
so
I'm
going
to
just
point
out
a
few
things
on
this.
So
there's
an
existing
board
on
board.
That's
right
here
and
then
the
adjacent
property
has
a
fence,
wood
vets
that
runs
along
this
property.
You
can
kind
of
see
it
indicated
with
this
line
here.
B
That's
all
remaining,
so
no
fencing
is
really
within
this,
the
scope
of
the
work
and
what
we're
doing
on
the
front,
elevation
and
the
side
street
elevation.
Those
are
just
going
to
be
all
restored,
the
windows
being
refurbished,
some
of
the
missing
some
of
the
existing
Windows
have
sashes
missing,
and
things
like
that
which
you'll
see
in
the
elevations.
B
B
It
steps
in
on
the
back
with
again
a
Gable
but
lower
than
the
main
Gable
there's
a
there's,
a
basement
in
this
house
there's
actually
quite
a
few
houses
and
several
Heights
to
have
a
basement.
I
worked
on
the
house
two
doors
to
the
North
she
was
here
earlier.
She
had
some
Transportation
concerns,
so
I'm
going
to
address
those.
B
Their
house
has
a
basement,
but
the
basement
kind
of
crouches
out
into
this
area
right
here.
So
I'll
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
and
then
the
addition
here
we're
doing
a
cross
Gable
so
that
we
have
a
smaller
Gable
facing
the
side
street
and
it
creates
differentiation
between
the
the
new
and
existing
the
rear
porch.
Originally,
we
thought
we
would
just
take
the
mass
into
this
and
just
extend
it
right
out,
but
it
it
was.
B
It
was
a
little
too
simple
as
there
wasn't
as
much
of
a
clear
differentiation
and
also
my
client
is
really
concerned
about
the
budget.
So
what
we
decided
was
to
do
a
shed
a
simple
shed
roof
off
the
back
and
there's
precedent
for
that
in
all
the
historic
districts,
because
it
was
a
very
simple
way
to
build
a
porch,
and
then
we
have
these
like
doubled
up
or
triple
columns
on
the
porch,
which
is
sort
of
a
takeoff
of
what
we
have
on
the
front.
B
Porch
the
air
conditioning
units
I
know
you'll
always
ask
about
that.
We're
going
to
have
them
over
here,
but
they'll
be
concealed
behind
this
fence
right
here
on
the
back
for
parking,
these
Corner
Lots
in
Seminole
Heights.
The
predominant
pattern
is
to
have
the
building
here.
My
clients
really
wanted
to
do
an
accessory
building,
but
the
budget
just
doesn't
allow
it.
B
So
what
we're
going
to
do
is
do
a
square
parking
pad,
which
is
basically
the
size
of
a
an
accessory
building,
and
it's
at
10
foot
from
the
property
line
with
ribbon
driveways
and
then
the
flare,
concrete
and
again
accessing
the
property
is
the
predominant.
This
way
is
the
dominant
pattern
rather
than
accessing
off
the
alley.
B
So
my
client
had
concerns
because
they're
this
one's,
probably
one
of
the
most
used
alleys
in
Seminole
Heights,
because
there's
one
two
three
four
properties
and
they
they
use
it
all
the
time
so
but
I
pointed
out
to
her
the
visual
we'll
meet
all
the
visual
sight
line,
standards
and
stuff,
but
from
the
property
line
to
the
edge
of
the
street,
is
15
feet.
So
she'll
have
no
problems
when
she
pulls
out,
you
know
being
able
to
see
it
either
way
again,
and
so
so
she
was
okay
with
that.
So
she
had
to
stick
around.
B
B
This
wasn't
ports.
This
was
always
part
of
the
original
house,
but
the
bedroom
is
here
is
almost
like
a
living
room
and
it
has
a
fireplace
and
the
windows
original
windows
were
here,
they're,
not
there
now,
but
the
frames
are
still
in
the
wall,
but
the
foundation
of
the
fireplace
is
still
there.
So
we're
going
to
build
back
that
fireplace
and.
I
L
I
B
Here
and
this
bedroom
right
here
becoming
the
master
bath
in
the
closet
area,
we're
going
to
keep
all
this
bug
touched
and
when
you
come
in
there's
currently
an
area
right
here,
it's
a
strange
area
we're
going
to
turn
it
into
this
area.
Right
here
to
get
stairs
to
the
second
floor.
We
have
to
shift
this
wall
over,
so
we're
going
to
shift
this
one
over
two
so
that
they're
balanced
with
this
bump
out
here
and
then
over
here
pretty
much
everything
inside
this
is
going
to
go
away.
B
To
be
rebuilt,
but
this
outline
shows
you
the
limits
of
what
we're
adding,
basically
a
16
foot
by
32
feet,
condition
living
space
that
will
have
kitchen
and
living
area
and
then
the
porch
off
the
back.
So
this
is
how
the
floor
plants
are
lay
us
out
here
and
then
the
dark
walls
are
all
the
new
walls,
and
then
you
can
see
how
the
stairs
were.
B
These
are
the
two
original
windows
and
on
the
back
side,
since
this
wall
is
being
rebuilt,
we're
just
going
to
put
in
one
single
window.
This
is
not
really
within
the
public
domain.
My
client
talked
about
maybe
doing
a
deck
here
later
or
something
there's
an
existing
door
here
that
we're
going
to
refurbish.
So
this
could
be
like
a
pool
bath
or
a
yard
bath
that
people
could
have
access
from
the
outside.
B
But
this
is
the
second
bathroom
which
you
can
access
from
the
study
or
bedroom,
and
then
you
access
the
bedroom
from
this
area
instead
of
directly
from
the
living
and
then,
of
course,
you
have
the
great
room
in
the
back.
That's
what
everybody
wants.
These
days
are
very
functional
and
so
the
kitchen
this
end
living
at
this
end
and
then
the
porch
steps
in
and
then
we
just
have
three
openings
across
the
back
as
you
can
see,
and
then
we
have
the
columns
which
pick
up
on
me.
B
This
shows
the
on
the
second
floor
ways
out,
so
you
actually
come
up
and
then
there's
a
landing.
That's
two
steps
below
the
main
living
area
up
here
and
that's
where
the
bathroom
is
that
has
a
shower.
We
really
wanted
to
get
some
natural
light
in
here.
Initially
I
had
Windows
here,
but
then
I
realized.
Oh,
they
don't
really
fit
very
well
there
with
the
with
this
large
cable
roof
on
the
back.
B
So
the
skylights
are
on
the
north
side
of
the
house
are
not
within
the
public
room,
but
they
allow
a
lot
of
that
nice
natural
light.
I
did
that
with
the
product
in
Tampa
Heights
on
Park
and-
and
it
was
the
fork-
was
fine
with
it.
Like
I
said
within
the
public
realm,
and
then
you
just
have
the
bedroom
on
this
back
side
and
then
what
I'm
calling
the
lounge,
which
is
basically
upstairs
living.
B
B
Where
this
roof
comes
in
and
before
it
meets
this
wall,
you
can
see
the
roof
Windows
there,
and
then
we
have
the
same
setback
on
this
side,
and
then
you
can
see
the
roof
plan
here.
So
this
is
the
existing
Ridge,
which
will
just
continue
out
and
you'll
have
the
Gable
on
either
side
and
then
it
shows
the
shed
roof.
This
is
basically
where
the
roof
ends
now
and
I
know.
We
typically
want
to
step
in
step
out
or
set
up
or
down
to
kind
of
break
up
differentiate
new
from
existing.
B
There
just
wasn't
any
way
to
do
it
without
creating
some
sort
of
significant
water
Problem
by
having
a
valley
or
something
with
this
roof
slipping
down.
So
this
was
a
very
simple
straightforward
way
to
deal
with
it.
Just
by
adding
this
part
right
here,
it
says
it
extends
past.
We
end
up
having
a
little
triangular
a
Gable
end
right
there,
foreign.
B
A
couple
elevations
and
I'm
going
to
go
through
some
pictures
so
that
y'all
can
kind
of
relate
the
pictures
to
the
elevations
and
then
so.
This
is
existing
for
our
elevation.
That
you'll
see
in
the
pictures.
It
has
Square
lattice,
that's
in
a
frame.
That's
set
back
from
the
eyeshadow
brick
Piers,
the
piers
are
brick,
but
but
they've
all
been
either
painted
or
have
a
light
stuck
output
on
them.
B
So
we're
proposing
for
the
new
cares
to
be
thin
brick,
but
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
paint
it
so
that
matches
on
the
other
brick
in
the
on
the
property,
including
the
fireplace
because
it
would
just
look
odd.
The
fireplace
was
the
natural
red
brick
and
everything
else
was
painted,
and
then
these
are
the
original
casement
windows,
all
the
sashes
aren't
there,
but
we're
gonna
enough
of
them
are
there
that
they
can
be
replicated,
and
so
really
the
only
change
on
the
front
elevation
that
you
see.
B
Is
you
see
the
Dormers
which
are
set
back
the
fireplace
here
and
then
the
window
here,
and
that
was
one
of
the
staff
comments
about
reducing
the
size
of
that
window?
Yeah,
which
I
did
look
at
that.
But
that's
neat
when
those
silver
limited
on
size,
I
I
personally
felt
that
it
fit
proportionally
in
there.
But
I
did
want
to
address
that
comment
by
the
by
the
staff.
B
So
one
of
the
so
this
this
mass
in
here
with
the
primary
Gable
and
shed
Dormers
there
is
precedent
for
it
and
this
President
just
right
down
the
street.
This
is
the
5600
block
of
North
Central
and,
as
you
can
see
how
that
works,
we
don't
have
to
porch
across
the
front,
but
it
is
a
similar
mass
in
here.
These
are
actually
much
more
much
further
forward,
which
you
can
see,
but
it's
very
it's
very
similar.
B
I
B
A
project
that
I
did
back
in
2000
four
same
thing:
it
was
a
house
that
had
looked
like
that
in
the
front,
roughly
the
same
pitched
roof,
they
wanted
a
much
larger
Dormer
and
it
was
set
further
to
the
back.
This
is
the
front
of
the
house
here,
and
you
know
that
that
was
the
the
foreplay
in
the
way
it
got
laid
out.
They.
L
B
B
Of
the
rear
elevation,
sorry,
so
the
rear
elevation-
this
is
a
very
unique
door.
I
have
pictures
of
it
we're
going
to
restore
it.
It
was
very
interesting
on
the
back
side
of
that
door.
There
was
a
bee's
nest.
The
entire
door
was
an
easiness
on
the
back
side
and
and
this
their
whole
area
is
in
really
bad
shape.
So
you
know
this
is
basically
where
the
addition
is
going
to
be.
So
what
we'll
see
is
you
know?
This
is
the
the
addition.
B
Space
and
then
it
stepped
in
for
the
for
the
roof
for
the
porch,
with
the
with
the
double
columns
and
the
single
column
in
the
middle.
It
has
it's
concrete,
because
it's
on
the
west
side
of
the
house,
it
doesn't
make
sense
to
do
what
it
would
so
it
will
be
concrete
with
the
Brew
finish
and
again,
the
brick
will
be
thin,
brick.
It
will
be
painted
to
match
the
the.
L
B
I
think
staff
report
had
was
asking
about
the
lattice
here.
It's
basically
just
the
square
lattice
that
matches
the
square
lattice
elsewhere.
But
the
way
we
do
that
when
we
do
it
that
invented
attic,
we
just
do
like
party
panel
Paint,
It,
Black
and
then
put
white
painted
lattice
on
it,
and
it
looks.
B
This
door
right
here
goes
into
some
weird
steps
that
fill
up
into
the
house,
but
this
is
going
to
be,
as
you
can
see
in
this
elevation,
where
the
stair
is
going
to
be
again,
these
windows
are
going
to
be
restored.
This
this
side
is
actually
in
pretty
good
shape,
considering
it's
the
South
elevation
and
then
the
Dormer
up
here
you
see,
we
have
three
windows
in
the
the
configuration
of
the
windows.
There
are
awning
windows
but
they're
proportioned,
so
that
the
light
pattern
is
similar
to
the
the
casement
windows
down
here.
B
B
These
windows,
as
I
mentioned,
are
going
to
stay
there.
This
is
where
the
basement
is
the
area.
Actually,
steps
out
comes
back
to
the
floor
plan
to
find
the
guys
it's
this
area
right
here,
just
bumps
out,
so
so
we're
just
going
to
put
a
small
little
roof
over
it
and
that's
what
you're
seeing
right
here.
But
then
we
figured
might
as
well
do
a
couple
Windows
there,
a
little.
B
The
cell
of
the
window
would
be
the
cap
for
the
brick
I'll
do
brick
assembler
at
the
bottom,
and
then
this
Gable
is
a
little
bit
different
than
the
main
cable.
We're
still
still
doing
the
the
board
and
bat
on
the
Gable,
but
we're
doing
just
simple
single
hun
for
double
hung
windows
and
then
we're
introducing
corner
boards
on
this
and
that
sort
of
helps
differentiate
it
from
this.
B
Again,
this
is
the
same
as
the
other
side,
and
these
are
the
the
roof.
Windows
they'll
be
venting,
and
then
these
are
aluminum
windows.
We're
going
to
do
away
with
those
they're,
not
original
I
couldn't
figure
out
where
the
original
openings
were.
This
was
the
corner
where
that
big
bees
nest
was
so
we're
going
to
come
back.
This
is
the
master
bath,
and
then
this
is
the
other
bathroom.
So
we're
just
doing
the
Houston
windows
and
by
the
way
note
this
band,
you
know,
Frank
Lloyd
Wright
talked
a
lot
about
regulating
lines.
B
We
have
this
on
this
house.
That
goes
all
the
way
around
it's
consistent.
They
also
did
it
on
the
interior,
which
is
kind
of
interesting.
So
we
want
to
definitely
maintain
that
and
then
this
Gable
is
similar
to
the
other
side.
There's
the
large
window
for
egress
from
that
study,
which
could
be
a
bedroom
and
then
the
porch
is
basically
looks
the
same.
This
side
I'm
going
to
go
through
my
photos
of
details
before
I
go
through
the
sections
foreign.
B
This
is
the
board
on
board
slide
it
down.
Oh
I'm,
sorry
yeah,
so
this
is
the
board
on
board.
That's
talking
about
it's
actually
in
pretty
good
shape.
This
is
the
neighbor's
fence
right
here,
actually
because
the
ice
cream
sites
on
the
inside,
maybe
it's
our
fence
but
anyways-
that
that
is
all
just
going
to
remain.
This
is
where
the
windows
were
covered
up
on
this
side.
B
B
The
front
yard
fence,
which
is
not
allowed
generally
in
Seminole
Heights,
but
my
client
really
wants
to
keep
it
because
she
has
a
small
dog,
so
so
we're
very
careful
to
tell
the
people
that
were
moving
the
trees
to
to
not
touch
it.
So
it's
not
going
to
be
touched
other
than
just
painting
it
foreign.
B
B
Tails
but
then
it
has
a
larger
two
by
eight
far
drafter
on
all
the
gables.
You
can
start
to
see
some
of
the
lattice
there.
These
are
the
windows
on
the
North
side
that
I
talked
about,
and
you
can
see
how
bad
the
north
side
is,
so
those
are
going
to
go
away.
This
is
one
of
the
one
of
the
existing
windows
to
the
kitchen,
they're,
just
casement
windows
and
again
those
are
going
to
be
restored.
B
B
And
you
can
you
can
see
this
better,
a
little
better
in
context
here
and
then
and
then
here
you
can
see
the
lattice
we're
just
going
to
recreate
this
kind
of
lattice.
You
can
see
that
the
brick
is
painted
everywhere,
although
here
has
a
little
Parts
kind
of
Stucco
on
it
and
you
begin
to
see
The
Columns
at
the
front
porch
there.
This
is
the
north
side.
B
You
can
see
a
little
bit
where
the
foundation
of
the
fireplace
was
the
front.
Porch
is
screened,
but
you
can
see
a
little
bit
better.
The
relationship
with
the
foundation
lattice
to
the
pier
this
band,
this
consistent,
the
lack
of
corner
boards
and
then
the
scrap
porch,
and
then
this
is
the
right
height
screen
in
the
porch.
B
Then,
on
the
on
the
roof,
rafter
details,
you
know
it's
pretty
consistent
on
The
Gables.
They
have
knee
brace,
but
you
can
see
this
one
was
removed,
but
there's
evidence
of
it
being
there.
We
had
the
bar
drafter
and
then
we're
going
to
have
a
drip.
A
drip
always
seems
to
get
missed
by
Builders
I.
Don't
know
why,
but
that's
an
important
part
of
keeping
water
off
the
bar
drafter
and
then
the
common
rafters.
You
can
kind
of
see
beyond
there
and
then
there's
a
bead
board
on
the
sofa.
B
B
Maybe
two
or
three
inches
of
the
end
of
the
wrap,
much
appreciated
this
is
again.
This
shows
the
corner
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
more
detail.
You
can
kind
of
pick
up
on
the
on
the
soffit
there.
This
shows
the
front
porch
with
the
painted
brick
and
the
base
for
the
brick,
which
is
actually
like
a
poor,
concrete
cap.
So
that's
kind
of
similar
to
the
concrete
effect
for
the
porch,
and
then
we
have
the
column
and
then
note.
B
B
It
looks
like
there
should
be
a
window
there.
Doesn't
it
we
can't
tell
from
the
tier
if
there's
ever
a
window
there,
so
we're
not
proposing
any
any
Windows
there.
I've
talked
about
regulating,
blinds,
I
know
the
sport
looks
at
things
on
the
outside,
but
I
wanted
to
point
this
out
because
all
the
trim
and
even
the
beam,
the
Comfort
Beam
at
the
ceiling,
it's
the
same
trim
and
this
was
replaced,
but
but
there's
evidence
that
it
went
all
the
way
around
the
room.
And
then
this
was
just
another
detail.
I'm.
L
B
Up
we're
keeping
with
that
on
the
outside,
and
you
can
see
that
band
in
the
bedroom
and
you
can
see
it
a
little
bit
better
here.
These
are
those
two
windows
that
I
talked
about.
So
that
being
is
the
head
casing
for
all
the
openings
on
the
ground
floor,
and
then
there's
I
actually
opened
that
up
myself
this
one
had
already
been
opened
and
then
inside
you
can
see
the
back
of
the
siding.
The
frame
is
pretty
much
intact.
The
the
the
hook
for
holding
the
window
open
open
is
still
there
was.
B
It
would
have
been
a
little
more
detail,
the
the
back
door
that
I
was
talking
about.
You
can
see
the
design
of
the
door,
it's
kind
of
a
unique
door.
The
same
door
was
on
the
other
door
to
the
back
of
the
house,
but
it
was
cut
in
half
so
and
they
they
got
rid
of
it,
and
then
you
can
see
this
is
traditional
construction.
This
brick
here
wasn't
pain,
investing
only
one,
but
you
can
see
the
traditional
beam
enjoys.
B
This
is
where
the
every
house
has
their
stores,
so
I
thought
that
was
kind
of
interesting,
because
the
contractor
called
me
and
said
they
were
clearing
this
room
out.
They're
like
oh,
we
got
a
big
skis
Nest,
so
this
was
like
five
inches
by
the
entire
thing
is
all
all
Beads,
but
you
can
see
the
inside
of
that
door
and
then
so
I
might
as
well
go
through
some
of
the
materials
too.
So
I
want
to
talk
about
doors.
We
have
exterior
French
doors
and
this
door
I've
used
on
just
about
all
my
projects.
B
When
my
clients
want
a
clear
sash
store,
it's
it's,
it's
not
a
big
door,
because
you
know
it's
not
going
to
hold
up
the
nice
thing
about
this.
It
has
a
device
molding
around
it,
which
is
typical
of
the
historic
exterior
doors
that
has
a
fine
wood
crane,
which
doesn't
really
pick
up
a
picture
and
then
dark
bronze
hardware
for
the
door,
something
a
little
more
contemporary.
But
it's
on
the
back
of
the
house,
dimensional,
asphalt,
shingle
and,
and
then
and
then
lighting.
K
B
B
Inside
the
attic,
as
I
mentioned
before,
the
stair
was
critical,
we
looked
at
different
locations
and
plan.
This
was
the
most
logical,
Choice
based
on
a
whole
lot
of
things,
but
we
can
only
go
up
so
many
steps
before
we
run
into
a
problem
with
Headroom
and
so
three
feet
from
this
new
post
were
six
foot
eight.
So
we
can
turn
and
start
going
up
the
steps,
and
then
this
is
the
six
foot.
Eight
that's
from
the
Leading
Edge
of
the
Treads.
So
you
can
see
how
that
goes.
B
L
B
K
B
And
we're
also
lowering
it
a
little
bit
so
we're
going
to
notch
the
joists
at
the
bottom,
and
so
we're
gonna
have
to
lower
the
scene
a
little
bit
to
get
the
structure
that
we
need
to
make
that
span.
These
are
the
little
windows
I,
don't
think.
I
mentioned
them
in
the
elevation,
but
we
really
wanted
to
get
some
natural
light
into
the
back
of
the
house.
B
So
these
are
just
small,
high
casement
windows,
but
you
can
see
how
the
the
roof
window
works
with
the
bathroom
there,
and
then
we
have
a
decent
amount
of
like
attic
space
here
where
we
can
have
the
air
conditioning
unit
and
then
down
below
here.
This
is
all
the
shaded
areas,
the
original
structure.
This
is
the
original
Center
load
bearing
wall
which
gets
reduced
in
height,
and
this
eight
foot
ceiling
here
is
that
green
hatched
area
I
showed
you
in
the
forefoot
and
then
there's
that
door
that
had
the
bees
nest.
L
I
B
B
L
B
B
That
was
real
tricky
because
we
had
minimum
seven
foot
ceiling
height
and
we
didn't
want
to
go
above
the
ridge,
so
so
I
was
able
to
work
it
out
with
the
2
and
12
pitched
and
we'll
do
a
spray
foam
insulation
there
and
then
we'll
have
two
by
four
ceiling:
joists
so
that
we
get
a
seven
foot
ceiling
height
and
then
we'll
we'll
maximize
the
height
of
the
window
to
not
conflict
with
the
roof.
So
that's
all
the
sort
of
the
second
floor.
B
This
is
a
section
that
cuts
through
the
rear
porch
in
the
center
of
the
house.
Looking
to
the
South
so
I
had
the
I
have
this
woman
up
so,
but
you
can
see
the
porch
is
concrete
closed
and
then
we
have
a
square
sitting
Rail
and
then
we
have
a
fig
roof
wood
ceiling
and
then
the
the
lower
pitched
I
think
it's
four
and
twelve
for
the
porch
roof
that
goes
and
dives
into
this
version.
I
B
C
H
Good
evening
Commissioners,
the
staff
does
find
this
application
consistent
with
the
Seminole
Heights
design
guidelines.
I
believe
the
the
applicant
touched
on
most
of
the
points
that
we
had
put
into
the
staff
report.
He
perhaps
could
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
delineation
between
old
and
new
I
think
he
talked
a
little
bit
about
it,
but
perhaps
to
to
emphasize
that.
G
F
B
Okay,
which
which
I
can
show
here
I,
can
show
you
real,
quick
on
the
on
the
building
section
it
where
we
were
thinking
about
having
stairs
on
this
section
right
here.
This
is
where
the
stairs
go
up.
This
is
a
closet
door
right
here,
so
we're
thinking
that
we
could
go
go
through
that
door,
okay,
bring
it
down.
F
B
B
I
L
B
E
B
Q
B
F
B
L
B
I
D
B
I
L
G
B
I
did
it
first
there's
actually,
as
you
know,
in
architecture,
there's
always
multiple
things,
so
it
was
yeah
to
not
go
above.
The
ridge
maximize
the
height
well
have
minimum
code
height
for
the
ceiling,
but
maximize
ceiling
height.
On
the
first
floor,
because
on
the
on
the
first
floor,
we're
going
from
we're
going
from
about
a
nine
foot,
five
ceiling
to
a
nine
foot
ceiling,
so.
B
I
G
And
in
the
imperfect
world
of
adding
space
under
a
roof,
it
would
seem
to
me
like
maintaining
that
Ridge
at
the
same
level.
Maybe
it's
not
so
necessary.
I'm
only
commenting
here,
right
and
but
I
and
and
I
also
feel
like.
You.
You've
well
supported
your
reason
for
having
the
big
window
on
the
front
and
that's
just
fine
I'm.
G
B
F
B
L
B
And
I
feel,
like
you
know,
ceiling
height
is
a
proportion
to
the
side
of
the
space.
So
so
I
felt
like
seven
feet
is
actually
it
will
be
a
comfortable
cozy
Dimension,
because
also
that
that
front
bedroom,
you
obviously
have
the
slope
ceiling.
It
gets
higher,
but
also
if
the
space
does
get
taller
at
the
stair,
because
we
have
that
stair
Landing.
H
I
B
B
E
B
E
I
D
I
B
D
B
G
E
G
E
D
D
E
S
F
It
gets
any
smaller,
then
the
opening
the
divided
proportions
change
and
then
that
looks
odd
and
then,
if
it
gets
smaller
to
you,
take
out
a
hole.
You
know
you
make
it
three
squares
tall,
then
it's
too
small,
but
you
can't
make
a
three
squares
call
because
it's
a
double
note
or
a
single
home.
So
it's
got
to
be
either
well.
It.
F
F
D
S
F
D
D
D
E
P
Good
evening
Commissioners
Ron
villam
staff
for
historic
preservation.
Our
last
agenda
item
is
Arc
23-393.
This
is
for
the
address
of
617
West
Horatio
Avenue.
This
is
in
the
Hyde
Park
historic
district.
The
primary
structure
was
built
in
1913.
It
is
contributing.
The
underlying
zoning
is
r01.
The
approximate
square
footage
of
the
request
this
evening
for
the
accessory
structure
is
750
square
foot.
The
request
is
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
that
new
construction
accessory
structure
with
site
improvements
quickly
going
through
the
photo
presentation.
P
P
Once
again,
this
is
from
1929.
It's
a
two-story
primary
structure
with
a
wraparound,
porch,
yellow,
indicates
frame
construction.
If
you
look
at
in
the
immediate
vicinity,
you
have
some
larger
structures.
You
have
a
multi-family
complex
to
the
east.
You
have
the
Friday
morning
musical
to
the
West.
You
have
gory
grammar
school
to
the
South,
and
then
you
have
a
a
dwelling
here.
The
red
indicates
that
these
are
brick
construction.
P
P
Moving
to
the
East
Elevation,
which
was
very
difficult
to
get
a
picture
of
with
all
the
foliage
there,
but
you
see
some
upper
level
Windows.
There's
a
series
of
double
hung:
Windows
encasement
Windows
throughout
the
building.
This
is
the
multi-family
complex
to
the
east,
going
back
to
the
subject
site.
P
This
is
the
front
and
the
west
elevation.
It
does
have
an
incorporated
Porter
cashier
into
the
front
elevation
and
there's
the
Rhythm
piers
on
the
on
the
front.
Moving
to
that
west
elevation,
you
have
your
crawl
space.
You
have
your
banding
on
the
bottom
as
the
transition
on
materials,
then
there
is.
This
belt
course
that
the
lower
Windows
die
into
that
belt
course.
As
I
talked
about
the
the
the
windows
here,
you
have
casement
windows.
You
have
multi-pane
sash
over
a
one.
You
have
this
upside
down
U.
P
P
Once
again,
you
see
the
proportion
of
the
windows
and
the
hinges
on
those
all
windows,
the
casement
windows
and
then
the
the
double
hung
windows
and
then
just
to
conclude,
the
last
shot
is
the
backyard
and
how
it
looks
today,
they're
going
to
incorporate
that
accessory
structure
into
the
space
we
have.
The
agent
Miss
Shoecraft
will
address
the
board
at
this
time.
T
T
That's
four
city
council,
but
don't
tell
anybody
they
had
it
down
here.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
So,
as
Ron
mentioned,
the
property
is
in
the
Hyde
Park
historic
district,
617
Horatio,
it's
on
the
corner
of
Horatio
and
Brevard
and,
as
he
mentioned,
it's
really
surrounded
by
large
institutional
buildings.
I
T
One
of
the
things
that's
interesting
about
this
property
is
that
the
old
Spanish
Creek
actually
runs
on
the
northeast
corner
and
goes
completely
underneath
the
apartment
building
next
door
and
that
Creek
is
actually
contained
in
a
100
year.
Old
culvert
really,
and
it
goes
all
the
way
across
and
all
the
way
down,
ultimately
into
the
bay.
So
what
we're
proposing
tonight
is
a
750
square
foot
two-story
accessory
structure,
22
feet
high
17
by
22..
It
meets
all
the
required
setbacks
of
an
ro1
Zone.
T
The
stairs
are
three
feet
from
the
alley:
property
line
or
the
North
property
line,
but
the
structure
itself
is
seven
and
we
have
a
nine
foot
Eve
to
Eve
separation
between
the
porch
on
the
back
of
the
house
that
Ron
showed
a
picture
of
and
our
overhang.
One
of
the
things
that
came
up
in
the
staff
DRC
hearing
was
to
ensure
that
we
could
get
two
cars
on
the
lot,
although
it's
not
related
to
the
excessive
structure
at
all.
That
was
a
requirement
of
transportation
and
sure
enough.
T
Presently,
the
backyard
is
almost
completely
bricked
over
with
a
number
of
different
patterns.
There's
been
a
lot
of
creativity
in
terms
of
the
the
way
they
have
paved
the
backyard
there's
a
enormous
there's,
actually,
two
very
large
fountains
that
are
not
historic,
and
this
accessory
structure
is
going
to
take
the
place
of
one
of
them.
T
When
I
went
to
architecture
school,
there
was
no
cat,
so
I
learned
how
to
draw
by
hand,
and
here
we
are
Chelsea
how
old
I
am
so.
This
is
a
very
simple
structure
right.
It's
just
basically
the
same
floor
plan,
one
on
top
of
the
other.
We've
got
wood
stairs
coming
off
the
north
elevation
going
to
a
second
story,
which
is
just
a
large
space
that
has
a
closet,
a
bathroom
and
a
bar
area.
First
floor
is
the
same.
T
We'll
start
with
the
west
elevation,
while
you
all
were
talking
tonight-
and
you
were
talking
about
proportions,
I
think
that
we
would
like
to
propose
having
only
one
wood
Carriage
door
as
opposed
to
these
two
slightly
oddly
shaped
doors,
but
that's
really
up
to
the
board.
It
doesn't
won't
affect
us
at
all
one
way
or
the
other.
T
The
important
thing
is
that
all
the
details
on
this
structure-
and
you
can
see
there-
the
South,
the
East
and
the
north
elevation
are
taken
from
the
main
house
and
I
have
a
photograph
where
we
have
the
freeze
board
and
the
band
board
and
corner
boards,
and
all
that
which
is
basically
we're
matching
the
ones
that
we're
not
going
to
match.
So
we're
picking
up
other
material
references
from
the
same
house.
We're
not
matching
the
overhang
which,
in
the
main
house,
is
quite
extensive.
T
And
would
feel
I
think
not
compatible
on
this
structure
and
also
that
the
soffit
on
the
main
house
has
been
replaced
with
metal.
Who
knows
when
we're
not
going
to
do
that,
we're
going
to
do
bead
board.
All
everything
on
the
house,
except
for
the
Masonite
door,
is
what
either
Cypress
or
Cedar
to
match
the
existing.
T
This
page
is
a
simple
section.
Essentially,
this
is
a
frame,
a
stick
build
with
a
with
this
concrete
slab
floor.
First
floor
is
eight
feet.
Then
we
of
course
have
the
support
and
then
the
second
floor
is
also
eight
feet.
The
overall
height
of
the
building
is
I.
Think
I'm
glad
you
have
don't
laugh
wrong,
glad
to
have
your
own
drawings,
pardon
everybody.
Thank
you.
T
Then
we
have
the
landing
and
sterile
railing
detail.
That's
all
wood!
That's
a
typical
detail
and
Hyde
Park,
where
you
have
much
larger
pickets
than
you
do
the
spacing
and
then
on.
The
bottom
is
just
a
typical
Craftsman
door
and
window
trim
detail
I'm,
going
to
show
you
a
couple
one
of
the
things
that
the
staff
mentioned
in
their
staff
report
was.
They
wanted,
obviously,
the
some
of
more
of
the
detailed
information
which
we
have
in
a
presentation
here.
T
You
all
have
the
spec
sheets,
but
I
believe
we
have
complied
with
everything
they
requested.
So
we
took
this,
which
is
the
photograph
of
the
side
elevation
and
what
we're
matching
are,
for
example,
the
the
six
inch
corner
boards,
the
12
inch
band
board
four
inch
lap
siding
the
12
inch
freeze
board
the
four
inch
trim
around
the
windows
and
the
windows
and
doors
all
use,
the
freeze
board
and
the
band
board
as
the
top
of
the
window
and
move
trimmed.
T
Accessory
structures,
as
you
know,
are
not
typically
as
high
style
as
the
house.
The
need
to
be
kind
of
dumbed
down
a
little
bit
and
put
in
their
place
in
terms
of
the
materials
we're
going
to
use
the
oralas
wood
window,
which
we've
used
on
all
our
projects
for
the
last
10
years,
and
it
works
very
well.
T
The
high
definition
shingles
on
the
the
accessory
structure
as
well
in
terms
of
lighting,
not
quite
sure
I,
went
with
this
I'm,
just
a
little
tired
of
the
Craftsman
windows
and
it's
late.
So
we
picked
this,
although
it
may
not
be
completely
appropriate.
We
can
certainly
find
something
that's
more
appropriate
if,
if
the
board
would
like
to
see
something
else
on
the
shutters
on
the
west
elevation,
we
have
picked
these
PVC
shutters,
which
are
very
high
quality.
It's
not
like
something
you
would
find
at
Home,
Depot
or
Lowe's.
T
The
exterior
doors
are
a
jeld-win
product
and
the
one
that
we
want
is
the
single
light
use
this
one
right
here
and
it's
Masonite,
and
that
too
will
be
painted.
We've
selected,
m-tech
outdoor
Hardware
in
the
black
matte
finish
and
then
the
last
piece
that
the
staff
raised
was
the
fencing.
So
presently,
if
we
go
back
to
the
site
again,
the
backyard
is
encased
in
a
CMU
block,
concrete
wall.
We
actually
don't
even
know
how
old
it
is,
but
it's
pretty
old.
T
P
Good
evening,
Commissioners
Ron
Villa
I'm
staff
for
the
historic
preservations
staff,
finding
that
this
application
is
consistent
with
a
Hyde
Park
design
guidelines
under
conditions.
We
have
a
couple
of
items
that
still
need
additional
discussion.
First
of
all,
if
this
project
is
to
move
forward
and
receive
approval
a
design
exception,
one
application
needs
to
be
filled
out
for
the
additional
height
from
15
foot
high
to
22.
P
She
did
address
the
the
the
fence,
location
and
the
design
the
height
needed
to
be
called
out
as
well
to
make
sure
that
it's
consistent
with
code.
She
did
go
through
the
wall
section.
She
did
address
the
windows.
Initially,
they
were
called
out
as
vinyl
windows
and
the
windows
that
she
selected
have
been
approved
by
the
sport
and
staff
on
a
routine
basis
if
she
could
provide
additional
information
or
discussion
with
the
lattice
enclosure
underneath
the
stairwell
and
that
the
shutters
that
she
presented
should
have
the
hardware
to
go
along
with
that
as
well.
P
And
then
she
did
put
on
the
table
for
the
garage
door
to
be
discussed
this
evening
as
well,
that
there
is
going
to
be
one
garage
door
when
it's
closed,
we're
looking
for
a
door
that
appears
to
have
two
separate
Bays
without
without
a
wider
Mall
in
the
middle.
That
concludes
my
portion
and
I'll,
be
here
to
answer
any
questions.
D
T
E
T
Because
at
some
point
they
may
take
that
wall
down
and
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
elevation
was
appropriate
to
a
street
corner.
Does
that
make
sense?
Now
it
does
we're
hoping
that
someday
that
wall
comes
down
and
when
it
does,
then
it's
going
to
have
the
garage
door
facade
as
you
would
have
normally
found
on
an
accessory
structure.
T
T
T
F
T
T
That
opening
is
basically
the
lattice
is
essentially
three
feet
from
the
fence,
so
no
one
is
going
to
see
it
because
that
fences
along
the
alley
and
that
will
never
go
away.
They
will
always
want
to
have
that
portion
of
their
property
secure.
So
we
could
also
just
leave
it
open
and
that's
where
the
Mechanicals
are
anyway,
it'd
be
a
lot
easier
for
the
mechanical
guys
to
get
to
it
and
service
it
so
I'm
more
than
happy
to
get
rid
of
the
lattice.
If,
if
it
offends
to
have
I.
F
T
T
T
But
I'm
happy
to
put
in
Windows
instead
of
the
shutters
and
I
mean
we
could
definitely
put
one
in
the
shower
and
and
also
in
the
the
bar
area,
I'm
I'm
actually
more
concerned
about
the
double
doors
on
the
bottom.
Typically,
that's
what
they
want
to
see
on
that
elevation.
So
if
you
all
are
okay
with
us
just
having
a
deciding
go
across
it,
that
is
absolutely
fine
with
us
as
well,
and.
I
G
T
T
I
F
I
T
D
T
F
S
T
T
Up
that
is
correct
at
the
moment.
It's
a
two
by
four
wall
and
that's
because
the
reveal
on
the
existing
Windows,
if
I
show
you
the
photo
is
very,
very
tight.
It's
not
typical,
as
we
would
normally
see
in
a
historic
home
and
I'll,
show
you
in
the
photo
yeah
please.
However,
if
that's
a
concern,
it
can
certainly
be
built
by
two.
By
six.
We
can
we
I
mean
actually
most
of
them
are.
Are
that
I've
done
about
15
of
these
in
the
historic
district?
T
T
D
The
only
other
question
I
really
had
revolves
around
these
shutters
and
until
staff
mentioned
that
they
were
familiar
with
them.
I
was
probably
not
even
willing
to
listen
to
the
material,
but
can
you
tell
me
I
mean
I'm
familiar
with,
like
Azek
style,
shutters
this
particular
one?
What
is
the
thickness
of
that
shutter?
It's.
I
T
Them
that's
right,
I
mean
they're,
going
to
be
they're,
going
to
look
like
I
mean
they're,
not
operable,
so
we're
going
to
put
the
hardware
on
and
it's
going
to
look
exactly
like
it
should
look.
If
we
were
going
to
open
it
right.
So
there's
going
to
be
it's
not
going
to
be
flush
with
the
siding,
for
example,
when
they're
closed
and
then
we're
going
to
have
the
shutter
dogs.
So
if
you
looked
at
them,
you
would
say:
oh
those
are
shutters
that
are
closed.
D
F
K
D
F
F
True,
so
we
can't
make
that
assumption
and
and
I
have
a
problem
with
the
fake
materials,
serious
development,
the
other.
The
other
concern
I
had
a
little
bit
was
just
that
the
same
width
of
the
the
the
rim,
boarding
and
I
don't
have
any
exact
preschool
terminology.
The
freeze
board
matching
the
bad
board
and
the
freeze
board
matching
the
main
house,
even
though
this
scale
of
this
house
is
so
in
the
scalable.
D
F
F
S
F
G
Well,
no,
but
there
will
be
fence
there.
That's
a
they're
they're
going
to
take
down
the
concrete
wall
and
they're
going
to
put
the
fence
there.
They
need
the
clearance
to
get
in
to
build
the
thing
so
and
we've
seen
that
fence
it's
going
to
be
six
feet
high.
There
will
be
a
tiny
amount
of
you
know.
They'll
be
like
two.
F
T
T
F
D
O
F
D
D
I
E
D
G
E
P
E
Grant,
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
drawings
and
documents
presented
at
this
public
hearing
and
Arc
23-393
for
the
property
located
at
617
West
Horatio
Avenue,
with
the
following
conditions
that
the
garage
door
be
Revisited
between
one
and
two
with
staff
and
that
the
lattice
work
and
material
or
removal
be
discussed
with
stuff
because
based
upon
finding
fact,
the
proposed
project
is
consistent
with
the
Hyde
Park
design.
Guidelines
for
the
City
of
Tampa.
For
the
following
reasons
that
the
scale
massing
and
materials
is
consistent
with
the
guidelines.