City Of Tampa Barrio Latino Commission 2021, 26 Jan 2021

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Barrio Latino Commission 01262021

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Baby, the worst it stands for losers, just close your eyes.

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Like we used to do.

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You know everybody.

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The tuesday january 26 2021 public hearing for the city of tampa's bar latino commission welcome.

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Everyone, I'm levi nguyen the vice chair of the commission. If you're here to present a project, you.

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Will have limited time to make your presentation, so we suggest being thorough but concise when.

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Coming to the microphone, you will need to identify yourself and your relationship to the project.

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The commissioners will not ask any questions during your presentation. Your project should.

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Be presented in the following order: site plan, elevations architectural details, wall sections.

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Staff then presents the staff report. We will then ask for public comment following your presentation.

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The commissioners will be asking questions in the same order as the presentation. Please state.

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And spell your name clearly, if you are here to speak for or against the project, your time will.

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Be limited to three minutes so take some time now. To summarize your comments, because three minutes.

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Goes by very quickly following public comment, the applicant will have five minutes for rebuttal.

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The public hearing will then be closed. The only comments which will be allowed after the public.

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Hearing is closed will be in response to any questions from the commissioners.

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The commissioners will then discuss the case and will make the decision based on the city ordinance.

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Chapter 27 of the city's zoning code design guidelines, the secretary of interior standards.

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Design review comments and a testimony given at the public hearing. The blc can only add the items.

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That are within our specific jurisdictional responsibility. Owner agents are independently.

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Responsible to obtain any appropriate permits and or approvals, if you haven't already done so.

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Please silence cell phones I'll also introduce the other commissioners, starting from my left here.

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Rich simmons architect and then with us today for staff. We have dennis fernandez.

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Ron villa beverly, zuzak and with legal we have. How do we say this again.

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Tomorrow, sorry, yes, all right! Thank you all right.

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And then, let's see.

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And so then for now, then we have the reading of the minutes. I need a motion to.

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Approve the minutes from our last meeting.

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I need a second all in favor. Any opposed minutes pass. Excuse me come on. You had a snack before the.

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Record I'd just like to remind- and I know we're just not used we're back in the chambers but to.

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Remind the um commissioners to please press the microphone to turn it on light red in order to get.

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Your voice recorded because the two motions in the second, your lights, were not on red. So if you could.

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Just make the motion one more time, have your light on red so that it is properly recorded. Thank you.

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Yeah I'll make that motion so moved all. Second, thank you all right. Hi eddie opposed great.

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Good morning, commissioners, dennis fernandez architecture, review and historic preservation.

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Manager a couple brief announcements this morning. First of all, welcome uh back to old city hall for.

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The public hearings: we appreciate your cooperation as we work through the precautions to ensure that.

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We're able to hold these meetings in a safe and effective environment there'll be a number of.

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Protocols that will somewhat um affect the meeting so we're going to have most likely have to have.

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Multiple swearings, as the cases come forward and there'll, be a lot of staff movement as we're.

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Bringing the applicants to and from the chamber so bear with us, and we appreciate.

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Any feedback that you might have to improve the process once the meeting is over. I do have the.

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Administrative approvals from december 2020 to add into the record and one modification to the agenda.

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Item number six, which is an update for the ebor city design guidelines. I would request that you.

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Move that to the end of the agenda after voc 2134, so that we can begin our business as quickly as.

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From the city attorney's office, um can we have a motion to move.

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Item number: six to the end of the agenda.

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Thank you now, we'll move on to our conflicts of interest and expert communication discussion.

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Good morning again, kamaria pettisnapple for the record um assistant city attorney.

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Will the commissioners please state whether or not they have any conflicts of interest regarding any of the items that are listed on the agenda.

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There is none for the record. um Additionally, will the commissioners state whether or.

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Not they've had any um ex parte communication regarding anything that's listed on the agenda.

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Also hearing none for the record. Thank you with that. uh We do not have any.

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Continuations this morning so move right into the swearing anyone in the public.

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Presenting or writing testimony, including the staff, please stand to be sworn in.

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And with that, we're ready for our first case, which is vlc.

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21-01 and updates good morning, commissioners ron villa staff with historic preservation.

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The first case is the address is at 1300 through 1320 east 7th avenue. This is a contributing.

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Structure that dates back to the earliest part of ybor city, so infancy in 1893.. This is in the.

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Commercial core of yc1, and the request in front of you this morning is for admiral part two. This is.

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For post rehabilitation part one came to you in 2015 and now you're going to see the completion.

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Of the project, just briefly to go through some photos, if I can go to my screen, please.

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Okay, there it is so up top. We have the sanborn map that dates back to 1929 is.

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The one that I usually use and the green box is the property in question. You see the red.

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Shading of the area in the green, which indicates that this is brick construction. This is on 7th.

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Avenue and if you look at the fabric along 7th avenue, you see the commercial core that 7th avenue.

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Is lined with mostly commercial buildings, this building is between 13th street and.

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14Th street and there is an alley that runs to the rear of the property which is to the north.

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Moving to the vicinity map right below it,.

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Here the property question is shaded in this orange box. Here.

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Once again, you see the concentration of seventh avenue and you see the shaded areas which indicate.

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That they are contributing structures, so this is on more of the western portion of seventh avenue.

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Looking from above prior to rehabilitation, it does flank the the trolley line to the west.

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Which is 13th, and this is 7th avenue. So it's on the corner of 13th and 7th avenue.

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Looking back at the rehabilitated facade, this is the 7th avenue facade. You see the implementation.

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Of the hex pavers to complete the project and the hardscape along 7th avenue, you see.

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The lower bulkhead that is traditional with the display windows on top and then the transom to.

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Complete the storefront and then the recess entry features as you come into the the storefronts and.

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Then the period appropriate signage, that's coming on board as the spaces are occupied.

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This is the western facade. This building was encapsulated with stucco. That will be part of.

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The presentation as it comes forward and then you see that this board did review an addition.

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To the one-story building here, but it was set back a considerable amount from the parapet on.

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The front and on the side on the front, I believe it was set back like 45 feet and then on the side.

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25 feet so it just peaks over when you look at different perspectives of the building.

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This is looking back at the building from 7th avenue.

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Here's the building that we're speaking about and in this perspective you don't even see.

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The new construction peeking over the parapet here so very successful and sensitive addition and then.

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Just to complete the last photo that we have. This is the rear elevation along the alley that has.

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Some storefronts commercial use on the pedestrian level off the alley, and then you have residential.

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On top at this point, I'll ask the agent to come forward and move forward with her presentation.

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Thank you ron and good morning, commissioners. Okay, thank you.

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Start with the I'm going to be using the elmo pretty consistently during the presentation.

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My name is stephanie farrell and I'm the agent for the ownership of this property.

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Okay, so ron showed you the 1929 uh sanborn map, I'm showing you the 1895 map, which shows.

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That the sort of the front part of the front two thirds of the project of this of this building.

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uh Was built as of 1895 and then the the area between the alley and the and the.

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Masonry building this white area that was infilled over time, including a two-story.

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uh uh Building which we'll see in the presentation so that so the so the rear.

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Of the building is basically stucco, stuccoed masonry and the front being the original brick.

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This is the site plan of the building. uh This is the the the subject building with.

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Showing the inset of openings, the alleyway on the rear and its proximity to the jose marti park.

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In designing the rehabilitation, restoration of this building, of course, photo documentation.

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Is extremely important and we have had two very good photographs of the uh building. This.

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Being the uh the 1300 block of seventh avenue and you can see the original inset openings.

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And the decorative brick facade and stepped cordless parapet. Here's a closer view of the.

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Architectural detail of the building and this photograph dating from 1930.

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I'm going to move on to showing you very quickly the elevations of the building.

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As pre-rehabilitation and.

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Post rehabilitation here again is the site plan. You'll see the inset openings here is the.

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Drawings of the front facade as presented so the ground floor of this building or the area.

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Below the added canopy had been totally obliterated in the 1970s, the original.

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Storefront of the building there were remnants of some of the cast iron columns, which were retained.

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In the post, rehabilitation execution of the facade restoration, so all of the storefront was.

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Reconstructed based on the photo documentation on 7th avenue, likewise on 13th street.

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uh This is the pre-rehabilitation facade, as you all would have seen in 2015 in the pre-rehab.

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Presentation- and here is the post rehab uh uh elevations, which elevation, which includes the.

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Two-Story building, which has been restored, the window openings that have been restored. They.

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Were covered over with stucco and then, of course, the two-story rear edition.

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Which are which represent uh 16 new apartments and here is the rear uh elevation. The elevated.

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Rear elevation, uh pre-rehabilitation and post rehabilitation so moving on to the photo essay.

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Start with the exterior.

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This is what the building, how this is, how the building appeared.

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In 2015 before the rehabilitation started, the upper brickwork is evident, but it had been painted.

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The lower area was basically stucco on concrete blocks with these round windows and insect panels.

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And and so that there were the uh evidence of the original is that entries was obscured.

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This is this same view today, post rehabilitation, you can see it's a major transfer transformation.

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Of this property to its 1893, as close as we can get to its 1893 appearance, this is again.

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Pre-Rehabilitation at the west end of the building, a close-up of that wonderful textured, stucco.

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From 197 circa in 1973 and the painted sort of red painted brick and the barrel tile, uh canopy.

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Over the sidewalk, of course, none of that below the from the canopy down was original to the building.

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This is a similar view, uh post rehabilitation, so all of the storefronts being restored.

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And the the brick repaired cleaned repaired and repointed in a compatible manner with.

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Historic character or the building, this is a close-up view. A little further down.

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Along the building again showing the the rich architectural detail that has been preserved.

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And this is the east end of the building again showing a little bit more of the detail and some.

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Of the additional incent entries a closer view of the peeling paint, as in 2015 pre-rehabilitation,.

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And the similar view, post rehabilitation restored and another view pre-rehabilitation of the front.

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Facade and post rehabilitation of the front facade and the as well as the west corner.

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Of the building and the two-story rear edition that was built sometime between 1893 and 1925.

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This is uh during construction, and you can see that the stucco was is was in the process of being.

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Removed and these windows were revealed, these window openings were revealed in the process.

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Of the construction work, and, of course this is what that facade looks like today,.

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Okay, so moving to.

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The rear of the side elevation again: this is a close-up view of the west facade along 13th street.

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And this is the alleyway pre-reel book rehabilitation looking east. This is that same view.

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Today, looking east, so the alley has been has been restored. In fact it's been it's there's.

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All uh it's all brick uh carefully uh done by the owner. This is the alley pre-rehabilitation.

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This is a similar view. Post-Rehabilitation now these are the buildings in the foreground are not.

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Part of this project, this uh sort of mustard color facade, is the is the rear of the historic building.

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And, of course, this is the two-story addition above it on the alleyway again, you can see that the.

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Brick, work has been, the brick alley has been very nicely reconstructed and so moving to the interior.

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My post-it note system here of separation, okay, so this is a floor plan. uh Pre-Rehabilitation.

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And you can see, there were five major tenant spaces, a b c and d uh plus the uh uh tenant space.

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E, which represents the uh at that two-story space, here's the second floor above it, so I'm showing.

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You that, because I'm going to take you through this floor plan photographically, so this is what.

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The what the space on the western edge of the building looked like pre-rehabilitation.

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Drop ceiling, some exposed brick, a variety of floor finishes no original finishes on this building.

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Except uh except some of the brick which may have been plastered historically another space. This is.

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uh Area so we're moving eastern eastward on the ground floor of this building, again drop ceilings.

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2X4 land ceilings, a variety of non-original finishes further, for this is area b, so.

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Sort of towards the center of the building looking northeast drop ceilings again no original fabric.

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Another view this is sort of again moving eastward on the on the ground floor.

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More drop ceilings uh no original finishes.

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uh Two layers of drop ceilings, two by four land ceilings, three rehabilitation; and then this is the.

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Looking towards 7th avenue towards the round windows, concrete block infield that.

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Has replaced the historic storefront, which, of course, all of that has been.

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Removed and replaced with the replicated uh historical storefront- and uh this is the.

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Eastern edge of the building uh again just more of the same, but you can see.

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Together no original fabric, so this is the second floor of that end. Building that faces 13th street.

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And you can see, there is some original wood floor. The windows are not original.

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There's a drywall on the original ceiling and then this is that same view of post rehabilitation.

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And with new windows matching the original repaired brick and restored wig floor.

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This is the front entrance to that building from the interior looking west.

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This is a further out view of that same space. This is that entrance.

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And then you'll see a stair in the background that has been restored.

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The same stair restored dual post lead to the second floor of that space. This is the top of.

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The stairway of you at the top of the stairway of this lib workspace by the way- and here is a.

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Wider angle, view of that space as completed so again, a major transformation from starting with.

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The exterior moving onward into the interior, so maybe that part explains the five-year process of.

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Rehabilitation of this building, so um so starting up back on the ground floor at the western end of.

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The building is a tennis space occupied by tucker hall and, as you can see, as you will see, it is sort.

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Of an open plan, the concrete floor has been polished. The wood the spring ceiling has been.

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Restored and repaired and we're looking towards seventh avenue here- and this is a conference room.

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Which we will see again, this is a closer view from the inside of the tucker hall space. This is the.

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Conference room right off the entrance uh seventh avenue being on the right side of this image.

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More open area office space very tastefully done.

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I should say tastefully and respectfully done, of the historic building again.

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More open office space of the tucker hall office use another view of that.

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And then moving eastward to the next tenant space, which is occupied by a company called wash lava.

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And you see the restored polished, concrete exposed structure above exposed air.

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Conditioning ducts and so forth, this is looking northeast. This is that same space, looking east.

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This is uh one of the few tenant spaces that face the alley. This happens to be a tattoo shop.

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This is the view looking east. This is that same tenant space looking towards the alley.

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Quite quite well done: uh this is another tenant office space uh that faces the alleyway.

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And you can see these walls are a combination of brick and concrete block and uh and uh painted.

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Steel, so uh a different vernacular, because this rear portion of the building was was a series of.

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Additions sometime between 1893 and 1925., this is that same office space looking west, very handsome.

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And then, of course, there has to be access to the second and third level additions, and this is the.

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uh Lobby for the apartments, so it's uh basically in the about the middle of the building. It leads.

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To a hallway, which leads to an elevator bank and uh two corridors that serve the uh apartments.

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So this is the co happens to be the corridor on the third floor. Second floor looks just like it.

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Okay, so here is looking southeast from one of the apartments that over that overlooks the restored.

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The repaired roof re-roofed and the restored skylights and then I'll show you a couple views of.

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The new construction, just for you, your information, so this is an apartment. This is on the third floor.

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Pre-Occupancy another apartment apartment, 308, looking northwest apartment, 301, looking southwest.

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So very handsome new construction, and that completes my presentation.

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Good morning, commissioners ron villa staff with historic preservation. That's finding that this.

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Application is consistent with the secretary of interior standards for rehabilitation.

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When we looked at part one five years ago, she uh provided us with a presentation with.

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Post rehabilitation and what she showed this morning is consistent with part one.

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The ad valorem is a preservation tool that assists the applicant and with photo present.

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With photo documentation of the past to do the rehabilitation that is sensitive uh as they move.

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Forward for you know, building in 2021, so the photos that she provided us and then with the.

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Pre-Rehabilitation and post-rehabilitation work is consistent with the criteria and I.

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Believe the photo presentation that was seen this morning speaks for itself. So, for those reasons.

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It is consistent with the secretary of interior standards and I'm here to answer any questions.

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Thank you ron, we'll move on to asking for any public comment and seeing that there are none.

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Here I don't believe any so then we just have our commissioners.

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Ask questions, starting with my left here.

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No questions: I have no questions.

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Just a couple quick questions: um some of the photographs were dark on the interior.

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The um what's the exposed structure above, I believe you stated that you painted it was that.

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It's um it's. Basically, it's it's wood, oh yeah! It's wood! The back of the building is a combination.

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This the ceiling structure was a combination of wood and or uh bar joists, depending on okay.

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When it was built and then on the elevation, the south elevation on 7th, it looks like two different.

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Types of brick there on the upper facade is that all original yes- and it was just different lots.

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And notice, one of the photographs had some interior arches within the space was that.

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Restored, or was that non-period specific uh that was not restored? Okay. Thank you. You're welcome.

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I have no further questions as well, um so then, before we close the public comment, you actually.

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Have five minutes for rebuttal, but um seeing that you answered the questions as we kind of.

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Went along is there anything else that you would like to add? No, I'm fine! Thank you all right. So.

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Now we will close the public hearing and then the commissioners will discuss the case. I left again.

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It looks straight forward to me yeah. This is an excellent um job. I mean a full.

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Restoration- I remember this one. It came through originally and it's been a long process, but.

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I think uh the outcome speaks for itself, it looks great and it's a great addition to 7th avenue.

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Agreed very respectfully and thoroughly done so now we need a motion I'll make a motion.

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For the sad lower tax application, I will move to approve the ad alarm tax exemption application.

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uh Part one two: sorry for the plans presented at this public hearing in case number blct21-01.

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For the property located at 1300 to 1320 east 7th avenue for the rehabilitation of.

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This property, because, based on the facts and the reckon that the proposed project is consistent,.

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With the secretary of interior's standards for rehabilitation and guidelines for rehabilitating.

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Historic buildings, second, all in favor, hi aye opposed congratulations. Thank you very much.

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Commissioner, the next case, that's reflected on our agenda, is blc 20-167. This is the address of.

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Is a 72.05 structure, that's located on this site that has been retained and rehabilitated.

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And that is backed in 1908 and then there is a non-contributing structure that is being.

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Developed as part of the new construction as a requesting board, and that was constructed in 1959.

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This is in the yc1 zone classification as well. This received a preliminary approval.

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Last month, on december 15, as uh along with that preliminary approval, where the variances that were.

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Requested were approved at that time as well, so this morning, you're going to look at the final.

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Presentation there were some outstanding items that were a part of the preliminary approval.

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And they're reflected on page five of your staff report. If you want to follow along and at this.

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Time, I'm going to do a quick photo presentation if we can go to my screen, please thank you on the.

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Top we usually start with the sanborn map. This is once again from 1929. This is in between 16th.

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Street which one's north and south and 17th street also it was north and south, a highlighted area.

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That busts the railroad tracks of the property in question. As I indicated on the uh the entry.

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That this is part of the contributing portion of this site. This is on the western portion of.

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This project, the eastern portion- this is not no longer there and then they have a cmu building.

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That's attached to it that will show up on the photos moving to the vicinity map.

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Once again, you have 16th street that runs north and south and 17th street.

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This is in the middle. This is the contributing portion of this request.

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This is the non-contributing portion: that's going to be removed and and receive the new.

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Construction, along with the parking lot to the south of the contributing structure and.

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Then you have the railroad tracks that run east and west just to the south of this subject, site.

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This is looking from above. This is the contributing portion that will remain.

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And be rehabilitated here, this is the non-contributing portion and then the.

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Parking lot to the south, so you get your bearings and then here's the railroad tracks.

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Moving to the front facade.

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Of the contributing structure.

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And some of the features on that front facade: you have this visor.

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That comes out that has the tie backs. You have these larger metal windows.

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This is the north elevation along the alley and some of the fenestration along the alley.

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This is continuing the portion of the alley as you get into a little bit further from 16th street.

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This is looking back at the building just looking north.

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This is the southern portion of the contributing structure with the fenestration. That's there.

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This is looking back at the front facade. These are the metal windows that operate in the middle.

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You see the overhang and the structure elements.

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Looking back at the elevation in totality.

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This is the non-contributing portion and then the contributing portion. This will be.

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Removed this is how that non-contributing uh eastern elevation looks. This is 17th street.

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And looking at the alley, elevation as well, this is on the non-contributing, showing the connection.

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That exists today between the contributing structure and the non-contributing structure.

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And just a linear shot looking at that south elevation, the contributing structure.

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Non-Contributing structure and then the parking area that will receive volume.

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Once again, just looking at that elevation how it's going to be expressed by the public.

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And then to complete the photo presentation, this is just looking at the relationship from the.

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Railroad tracks from the parking area that exists today and then the building itself, I believe at.

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This time the agent and anybody that wishes to speak needs to be sworn in. So please stand.

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Up and raise your right hand and miss you zach, I swear soon albert you ready to go. Thank you.

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Good morning, committers morning,.

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So what I thought just for for clarity- excuse me kamaria from the city attorney's office can.

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You introduce yourself for the record, please sorry, albert alfonso uh alfonso architects,.

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I'm the owner of the property.

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So uh from from the last presentation that we made to you all, there were there were five.

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Items that you guys wanted us to go back and take a look at to possibly improve some of the material.

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Changes and some of the um angles of view of some of the elements, so we've done that and so the the.

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First, one I'm just going to kind of go through all five of them. The first one is the articulation of.

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Material transitions, specifically along the top of the building, the mansard and along the corners.

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So first I will show you what we had presented at the last hearing and specifically that would.

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Be in this case here, so this is this zinc mansard that we had talked about and what we are proposing.

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Is to bring that zinc all the way around here I think it's it's a big improvement.

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Again, looking at it from sort of another angle also, I want to sort of accent this here and also.

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This corner piece that was talked about at the last year, this corner return of the material.

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What we are doing now is that we will be wrapping that bansard material to here.

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On both sides, even on the alley and then this piece now comes in and wraps in so.

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Looking at view and sight lines, you have that sort of completion of that transition, material.

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Again, looking at it in in two dimensions, this is the elevation view of the courtyard I mean the.

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Courtyard, looking from the alley again, probably you'll never see that, but we we know it's there.

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And then just some of the detailing that we have sort of.

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uh Developed where you have this uh reveal detail here.

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The the mansard zinc coming down and then the uh the stucco coming up with big reveal here.

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Here and there so that happens at every moment that there is that meeting of the two materials.

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Says that few of the of the new building sort of turning here and then.

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The zinc panel, detailed in elevation.

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Again, this detail as it returns here, you can see it both in plan.

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And in section, if you have questions, we can blow that up for you so that handles the the first.

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Point we responded well to, I think, to your your comments, material and handrailing at the roof deck.

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If occupiable, through some discussions with the client, we can declare today that the roof deck.

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Is not occupiable if at some point it will be we'll come back in front of you for that.

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um I believe one of the commissioners was asking.

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About the window fenestration patterns inside the courtyard.

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They were fairly simple at the time here. I don't know if you can see that's a bit dark, but.

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We have come in and now this is a meets code. Let me give you a better better view of that.

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So you have an operable window here, you can see operable, fixed and fixed, and then this sort of.

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Transition panel in between there was a request to investigate on-site bike and motorcycle storage.

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We'll be parking motorcycles in the parking garage.

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And off-site parking, but we will be bringing bicycles here that would.

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Either come in through the residential lobby or come in through the alley at this point,.

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Lastly, there was a discussion about uh you know in.

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Our ohio project, some of the reflectivity of the glass along 7th avenue- I can tell you that.

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If the commissioners want to look at this, this is the higher glass.

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This is the glass we are proposing is a little bit more transparent. Obviously,.

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We have to meet this code, which is the the florida building code.

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But I I can declare to you guys that uh you know the architect we're gonna.

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Select the clearest glazing that meets the florida building code. I'll put it up here.

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It is less reflective.

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And without commissioners, uh that concludes my presentation. In reaction to your comments.

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Thank you for the presentation. um We now open the floor for any public comment.

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Oh, like sorry, staff presentation, sorry jumping ahead here, I'm good.

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Good morning, commissioners ron villa staff with historic preservation.

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Staff finding this application is consistent with the eboor city design guidelines for the plans.

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That were submitted to our office on november 24 2020 and looking at those plans. And what was.

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Presented today, they're identical, he is seeking final approval. As I stated earlier, there was five.

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Conditions that were attached to the preliminary approval he went through all five of those.

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Conditions as well, and they were reflected on page five of your staff report, staff also had a couple.

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Of conditions attached to the final approval as well, if the applicant could discuss- and these.

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Are on page four of your staff report addition additional or final signage request at this.

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Time if it's been vetted out, the status of the encroachments for the canopies and the blade sign.

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The agent should engage into a process with the right of way to get those uh reviewed and approved.

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And then, if the agent could go through a couple of wall sections and just call out from the top to.

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The bottom, the materials that are going to be used, islam, as well as the color palette. That concludes.

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Staff's portion of this request and I'll be here to answer any questions.

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Okay, thank you ryan one. Second, okay, now now that ron has presented, we will open the floor up any.

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Public comments, if there are any seeing that no one is coming forth, we will have the commissioners.

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Ask their questions, starting on my left, nope, no questions. I have no questions. Thank you. So, just.

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A couple quick questions, and I look forward to the rest of your presentation to fill that in this.

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Southwest corner that we're looking at.

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Is that, like, are you going to use spandrel, does that floor inside go all the way to the corner.

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Are there going to be spandel glass panels there or is that a floating slab set back.

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Mr alfonso with the glass sample is that, where you're going to use that glass everywhere.

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Yes, sir okay yep.

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So rich, if you I don't know, if you've been out to the higher uh project, that office building but.

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Do you see this section here? The glass sort of you know bypasses here. This piece would be.

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A spandrel piece, and that would be the slab edge right there. Okay.

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um I have lots of sections so, uh but you know just depends on which one I know we went through.

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Through many of them at the last presentation, but certainly you weren't there so sure I think.

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The staff wanted to kind of go through a couple of those yeah. I just wanted to.

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Get a little better idea of what you're you know. I understand the the general project, but.

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Let's go through some of the wall sections and and also describe the color palette.

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So I don't know if you can see this in this all right.

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So this is a just white plaster like stucco, it's pretty straightforward, we're.

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Utilizing this terra cotta rail terracotta block we're coming in with a light blue, socket.

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Just on on the soffits of the balconies, this is a zinc material that you have here.

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There's core 10 here on on the base of the office building here the gymnasium is and other than that.

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You know that's pretty much the steel windows that uh modulo did at uh which came out really nice.

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Okay yeah, it looks like a very consistent palette with ebore and some of the.

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Other projects you've done in the district.

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Okay, I have no other questions great. The only additional question I have is.

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The number of on-site bike storage? How do you get to that number? How many are there and how do you get to that number.

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I can't lick my fingers. We currently have seven shown here. um If there's a number.

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That you would like to see really. This is a non-issue for us. I think it's probably going to.

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Be working a lot with the the client. The client is a micro unit, developer out of los angeles.

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They do a lot of these, and obviously this is an important feature for them right, we'll probably.

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Overdo what they require yeah and I think for something both for the nature of the units and.

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As well as as the nature of evil, we probably like to see more than seven uh absolutely like storage.

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Right so absolutely we have some other areas uh that we could possibly look at, but certainly if.

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You guys want to put in in some kind of motion about you know: quantity. We just don't don't.

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Really know what they would be looking for at this point, but they would be looking for a lot. Okay, yes,.

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Yeah, okay, just good to know for that clarification, that's good to know all right! Thank you.

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And then so now you have five minutes for rebuttal of anything that you've heard. Oh.

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Quickly, sorry, um for the final signage, I know we talked about a little bit with.

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The blade science last time is that still consistent from the previous presentation.

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Yes, it is uh we're just again trying to figure out a naming of the project logos.

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Those kinds of things I believe one, you know we're starting the process right now with uh right away.

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And I believe it's very similar to what we did with haya I mean even at the end. I believe that.

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We we didn't get our signage resolved on high up until we were six months out on the.

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Project working with staff so but it will be consistent and if we have to come back to you.

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To present that, certainly we will okay great. Thank you. You know. Five minutes for any rebuttals are.

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You kind of answered if you went along but there's anything else. You would like to add.

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uh No, I just I just want to thank you guys. I think that the comments.

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Were very clear even so, mr rich wasn't there to weigh in, but I think that um we had really.

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Good input uh really good design input, and hopefully you guys feel that we responded to that.

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Now we'll close, the public comment and I'll actually um have our commissioners discuss the.

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Case, starting with uh rich over there, all right yeah, I I like this project. You know I used to work.

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In that building all the time and and uh it's a nice historic building- and I I think it's.

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Something that we've seen that that warehouse building next to it go come through a couple.

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Different ideas, not through barrio, but I'm familiar with a couple, different ideas that have.

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Been tossed around for that building, and I think this is a great use for it. I like the way that.

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The the the building addresses the historic nature of the the train station, uh the depot and uh also.

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Addresses the rail lines and the historic fabric of the district in that area. um I think there's.

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A lot of clean lines, the massing looks good and the rhythm, the use of materials all complement.

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The palette for this area- and I think it's a really nice project.

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Look forward to seeing it come to fruition. Thank you, mr commissioner.

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I have no comment. Thank you. The only thing I appreciate you answering the questions that we.

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Had from last time, I'm excited about the project, I think it's going to be a good thing for the area.

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Oh yeah agree with the other commissioners. Thank you for taking the time to address.

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All our comments and yeah this would be a great project for you board as well.

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Now, with our discussion, um just need a motion.

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From the city attorney's office, this is a motion for certificate of appropriateness.

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With or without conditions, okay I'll make a motion. um I move to grant the certificate.

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Of appropriateness for the drawings and documents, am I on the right one: mario, yes, okay,.

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um Presented at the public hearing of blc 20-167 for the property located at 1705.

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North 16th street and 1704 north 17th street, because, based on the base upon the finding of.

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Fact the proposed project is consistent with the ibor city design, guidelines of the city of tampa.

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They've met all the code, everything that's been required and I have no conditions on it.

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Can you promotion? Do we have a second yeah? I would say a couple conditions. I'd like to.

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See the applicant work with staff on the final signage package and final finishes to make sure.

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That they're consistent, that's pretty minor and then also just to work with staff. For the final.

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Placement of all the bike, racks and all that kind of stuff, and then what are you open for those yeah.

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I'm fine with those two conditions can can you um so and I apologize. The two conditions were to.

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Work with staff for the signage and what was the other signage in the final um locations of the.

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The final location and number of the bike- storage right here- yes and finishes mixer- finishes.

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And um commissioner welch, are you, okay with them ending your motion to reflect the conditions.

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That's fine and then um is the applicant. Are you um do you understand the conditions of the.

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uh The emotion yes, sir yeah, I know you will okay and then you're willing. We are.

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In full agreement, okay, fantastic- we have a motion. uh Do we have a second all in favor.

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Aye any opposed fantastic. Thank you appreciate. It.

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Commissioners dennis fernandez office reviews his fair preservation manager.

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uh The last case we're waiting on a couple of the property owners to come. uh It's the pleasure of.

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The board, if you want to go ahead and have the powerpoint for the design guidelines update now.

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And then we can uh hear the last case following that. Is he talking to us.

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I'm sorry, is he talking to us? Yes, he is. There is I'm sorry kamaria pettis mackel for the record.

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Mr fernandez, I don't know if your mic was on, so it probably wasn't projecting I don't know he.

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Was saying that number three application for number three is not here yet they're waiting.

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For certain members of the public for that application, he's asking if the commissioners.

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Will be okay with the presentation regarding the um ebor city design guidelines, we moved.

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That item to the end of the agenda, do we need a motion for that right? Okay, commend the agenda.

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Good morning, once again, commissioners dennis fernandez architecture, review.

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And historic preservation manager do you have the powerpoint up on your monitors, very good.

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I'm going to be presenting you a brief overview of the process that we've just recently commenced.

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Which has an objective of updating the eboor city design guidelines document that.

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Is used as a reference material for both yourselves as you make your decisions for.

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The staff and for property owners and developers within the ybor city, local, historic district.

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The staff is conducting this kickoff meeting in place of the design team, uh just in.

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A fashion to have it be just more economically viable.

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So again, I'm just going to briefly review the project scope.

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The schedule team a little bit about the current standards and the draft and then the next steps.

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So, as you are aware, the existing ebor city design guidelines have been in place uh since the 1980s.

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With a few amendments along the way, as either situations have developed, which warranted their.

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Update or areas of expansion have occurred and new vernaculars have been added into the district.

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uh It's been, uh we've had a goal. The staff has had a goal for quite a while updating the guidelines.

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Having the resources and staff time to do, that is somewhat challenging, so we've sought out a.

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Consultant to assist us with the process and they are beginning their work, evaluating the.

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Current draft of the guidelines and will soon be um engaging in their uh stakeholder engagement.

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uh So the kickoff meeting is kind of the stage where we're at now uh we've had internal meetings.

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With staff the um the consultants have attended the last historic preservation commission.

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Meeting at which time they provided the same presentation and then um today we're addressing.

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The bar latino commission kickoff meeting one procedural clarification is that the historic.

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Preservation, commission is actually the commission that has jurisdiction.

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For creating and updating design guidelines for the city of tampa for all the districts and any.

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Individually designated properties, however, your role in this is critical. There'll, be.

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Workshops and whatnot, as you apply those guidelines and obviously have a very unique.

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Familiarity with them, the phase following these kickoff meetings will be, as the team begins to.

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Draft a new set of guidelines and engage the public we're going to be assisting the.

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Consultants with developing a contact list so that all the neighborhood associations and active.

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Organizations as well as the individual property owners and those who reside in the district.

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Have an opportunity to participate in this discussion and then once the draft is finalized.

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We'll be going through a additional process to adopt uh the guidelines.

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uh By ordinance, uh which would then uh replace the current guidelines that you're utilizing.

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I think we're all very familiar with this document. This uh indicates the local historic.

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District boundaries with the black line and that's the area that the guidelines apply to.

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This is pretty much a year-long project looking for adoption in the fall.

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Of 2021, you can see that some of these areas are already underway, so we've been providing.

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Input into the uh drafting process so that there's at least a framework of to work with, as we begin.

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To receive input- and some you know, vetting out of issues as it develops so we'll be back.

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To you future opportunities to both receive your input and to update you on the progress.

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The consultant that we've chosen is s and m e consulting. They have a broad.

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History of urban planning projects, as well as historic preservation projects, patricia.

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Cajeski is our project manager and then she supported by a number of staff which you see here.

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Illustrated on this slide, so we're excited to be working with them.

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They've been very engaged up to this point and we're sure that there's going to be a.

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Lot of active discussion about the future design elements of ybor city.

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A little bit about the current guidelines, I think you all are more familiar with this than others.

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The current guidelines do uh address. uh You know I think topically most of the issues that we're.

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Dealing with they are a little bit dated in the areas of infill construction and pertinent.

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Features which will be up updated through this process and our goal is to create a more.

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User-Friendly reference guide to assist individuals who are looking for answers within the.

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Ybor city, historic district, as they plan out their their projects, both residential commercial and.

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Industrial see some of the existing work that has been done over the years to illustrate we're not.

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Going to throw everything out of the guidelines what's working will retain and improve upon.

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And perhaps expand, but there are other areas that you know need to be updated or need to.

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Be added and we'll be identifying some of those as we go through the public engagement process.

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See some of the examples of projects throughout the district.

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Both new construction and rehabilitation, the current guidelines were really.

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Written with an emphasis on rehabilitation, but I believe you know from your role you obviously.

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Have seen that there's some very substantial new construction projects coming through the district.

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And that the guidelines really need to be relevant for those types of reviews. As.

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Well, the staff did assist by providing sort of a.

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Draft template that we had been developing to the consultants. It has a more expanded.

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General information, sections that provide procedural guidance to individuals engaged.

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In the design review process uh we'll be using this as a starting point, but we kind.

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Of envisioned, some of it being consolidated just for ease of of managing the use.

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Of course, there'll be a rehabilitation section that section uh you know my.

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Fundamental principle on the rehabilitation section that needs to correlate with the secretary.

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Of the interior standards for rehabilitation, so you know that's going to be the fundamental.

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Principles that we instill within a rehabilitation section, such as maintaining original features and.

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Using original materials, when they're available and economically feasible so we'll have.

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This is an area I think that is somewhat well represented in the current guidelines, but.

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Could be probably expanded to be have a more relevant depth.

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And then, of course, new construction, always a controversial.

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Topic within a historic district about how you build out both additions and new development.

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To do so in a way, that's not only compatible with the area around you, but doesn't necessarily result.

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In some type of adverse impact to the historic district at large, so we will continue to work.

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With the consultants with your engagement and that of the public and organizations within the area.

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To try to refine that I do think this is an area of the of the revised document.

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That's going to uh take quite a bit of time to put together and then all the.

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Details which you know you had you just concluded a hearing where the details were pretty much the.

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Predominant discussion of the hearing there's a a lot of both positive and potentially negative.

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Impact from details- and so we want to identify those and put those into the documents so that.

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We're able to provide guidance to individuals that are beginning their development process.

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And, as I said, we are engaged in the kickoff meetings, concluding that today.

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uh You see the um the general uh has been somewhat of a accelerated uh kickoff period.

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As everyone has become oriented with the goals, because we do want to try to conclude this by.

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The end of the year in advance at the end of the year, and to also have the opportunity to.

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Meet with other organizations that they're, you know it's a little bit uh unpredictable.

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Now about the methods of being able to arrange those meetings so we're having to do a little bit.

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More planning to ensure that we're able to engage the appropriate individuals into this process and.

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Unfortunately, that just the nature of what we're dealing with does require that some of the.

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Meetings be virtual, but we're going to also have in-person opportunities to participate through the.

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Public hearing process, uh which anyone who does want to come speak about the guidelines will be.

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Able to to attend one of those public meetings and those meetings will be noticed in accordance with.

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The code and they'll be mailed, noticed and posted noticed and signs placed throughout the districts.

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As we move into both the public engagement and the adoption process, one thing I want to.

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Focus is that we are moving for a way from a guideline format and more to a standard.

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Format that gives more definitive guidance and allows you to make more definitive observations.

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From the document itself and the city as a whole has.

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Not only our city, but you know nationally, programs have been moving to that standard to provide.

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Clarity and uh to provide users with the ability to understand what is expected from their project.

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So I'm happy to open the floor to any questions. As I said, we'll be back to you and you can expect to.

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You know be contacted in the near future about a workshop to discuss this. Thank you.

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So um I think one of the issues with the design guidelines is they've always been trailing. The.

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Code and the ordinances, I assume that that's going to be up to date with some flexibility for future.

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Ordinance changes: how do you think that's going to be addressed in the.

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Well, one of my goals is to be able to have the document be able to be updated a little bit more.

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Often so that uh these sections, and that's one of the reasons for breaking it down into more.

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Sections that we're not dealing with perhaps an entire treatment we're just dealing with parts.

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Of the whole, and that is going to allow for it to be a little bit more of a evolving document.

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I have already been discussing the need to update the ordinance pretty much at the same time when.

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We're beginning to finalize the the document for um for adoption purposes, uh the ordinance.

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And the um the the reference materials kind of are woven into each other and depend on.

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Each other, so if they, if they don't relate, you can have difficulties there as well. So.

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I recognize the need to pay attention to the ordinance and we'll would certainly.

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Initiate that that'll be a kind of a separate discussion, but it is relevant to this overall goal.

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Sure, and also future land use always seems to be a conflict uh right there's. You know, as we.

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Get into kind of drilling down on these issues, they somewhat mushroom and we have to ensure.

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That, obviously we're uh respecting the comp plan and what the comp plans entitlements are uh in.

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Conjunction with zoning is there like a specific timeline for updating the design guidelines like.

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Every five years are you gonna try to build that in or or to aggressive? um You know, I. I think that.

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That is, is a is a certainly a good goal. You know the uh hpc has uh expressed an interest in dealing.

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With these uh more routinely, I believe you know what my immediate goal would be upon. Adoption of.

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These guidelines and the related ordinance would be to turn my attention to the other historic.

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Districts and try to create a document update for those districts, and I have some ideas about.

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That how to make that a little bit more efficient. But we have four historic districts and they each.

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Have their own set of design guidelines and pretty much all of them are in need of update. Thank you.

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Thank you basically, nothing else, we'll go ahead and move on with the agenda. Well, I think we're.

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Gonna need to take a brief recess. Then, if we could take a five minute recess, perhaps.

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Just a motion for a problem.

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They're apparently checking in so they look.

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Cause I've spent too much.

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Good morning, commissioners ron villa I'm staff with historic preservation.

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This last case, reflected on the agenda, is blc21-34. This is for the address of 2910.

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North 10th street, uh the primary structure on this parcel is a contributing structure. The.

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Zoning is yc8, and the request in front of you this morning is for a certificate of appropriateness.

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For demolition of a contributing structure.

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As the applicant goes through her presentation on page three and page four of the staff report.

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Needs to be satisfied, and that is to be consistent with.

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uh The demolition uh ordinance for, and that is reflected on chapter 27, 99, f 1 through 3.

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At this time briefly, I want to go through some photo presentation with you.

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On my monitor,.

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Starting with the sanborn map at the top, this is the primary structure, which is a contributing.

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Structure on 10th street- and this is the request in front of you this morning as you look at this.

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Parcel you'll see some additional auxiliary buildings that are not part of the request.

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In ybor city, when the survey was done, none of the accessory structures were.

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Indicated as contributing so you'll see a variety of accessory structures here,.

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On the sanborn map, but when you look at the vicinity map.

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Which is here this in the green box is indicating the contributing structure which is shaded in.

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The in the gray, but none of the accessory structures on this parcel or on the abutting.

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Parcels or within the vicinity are reflected so this morning what you're looking at is just the.

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Primary structure here and the request for demolition through the photo presentation.

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You'll see some additional buildings on site, but those are not reflected this morning.

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This is an overhead shot, showing the primary structure on 10th street. You see the fabric, it's.

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A residential community, the yc8 indicates that the parcels are a little larger, so in ybor city around.

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4Th avenue and 5th avenue you'll see some tighter lots that have a 25 foot frontage over here in.

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This area and that's why the different zoning classification or the lots are a little larger.

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This is looking back at the structure in question. This is the front facade.

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The structure has been encapsulated with an aluminum siding.

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All the windows have been removed and changed out.

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This is looking at an interior shot, the same vernacular, the siding, encapsulating the.

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Historic siding and then this was part of the original structure. The structure had.

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A main base to it and then an appendage towards the rear.

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And this is looking at the rear elevation here. This is the south side.

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And then coming around to to the rear elevation.

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I just want to show you: there were some auxiliary buildings, as were indicated on the sanborn map, but those aren't under evaluation this morning.

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You have two of them that were indicated on the sanborn mapper and they're. Still there.

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And then some surrounding shots of the residential components as well. This is.

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A budding to the south property in question is over here. You see the tail end of it.

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And this is to the north.

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And across the street at this time, that concludes the photo presentation.

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I'm going to have the agent come forward at this time, the agent and anybody that wishes.

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To speak, needs to stand up and raise their right hand to get sworn in as well. Thank you.

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Okay, okay, good morning, my name is tim headland. I am here representing um the family.

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And the owners of this house, the jeske family and the lorenzo family, um this.

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Property that you see today um has been in the family for an extended um for a couple decades.

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A couple generations, at least and has recently been transferred to the current the current owners.

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It is I'm going to run through the application and the report kind of line by line, as required.

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As required by the demolition application, um starting with the burden of proof,.

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It's we worked closely with the owner to document the existing conditions of this property and.

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To look at the history of this property, in addition, the owner has retained an engineer who.

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You will see that as an appendix in this report, an engineering statement about the integrity.

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The structural integrity and also the envelope the roof system, all building systems included.

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At this property, I do want to start with a little bit of historic background.

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As we were doing our our research and due diligence as we started to look at this property.

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We did pull the sanborn map from 1910, which you can see. On the left hand, side.

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The red box is around the property right there. It appears and there's there's a lot.

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Of indications on the interior of the house that the the house has been added on to significantly.

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Over the period of approximately 100 years, it looks like it started out as a.

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Much smaller footprint, with both a full rear and front porch by 1935, which is the sanborn map you.

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See over here on the right- and I believe it's the one that staff had has previously shown you can.

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See by 1935 the porch was partially enclosed. There is an addition on the west side, the rear side and.

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It looks like part of that part of that back porch area has has been absorbed into the main house.

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Again, some pictures of where the house is at today in terms of the porch enclosure, the openings.

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Have the original openings scale and proportion um are not identifiable? They've been.

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They've been infilled and aluminum windows were put in probably sometime within the last 30 to.

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40 years you can see the siding and you can see some of the issues that we'll get into a little.

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Later, with the structure and the proximity to to grade this house is um appears to have been built.

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Extremely close to grade almost um surprisingly so, a lot of the houses in the area are.

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Are more raised upgraded? I um in my professional opinion, that's probably a big culprit.

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For some of the structural and issues that we're seeing today so moving through.

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Starting with 27 and 99 f1 burden of proof, we do not believe that there are feasible alternatives.

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To demolition at this point, relocation and I'll get a little bit further into the relocation. A.

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Moment but relocation is not possible due to both the structural integrity of the primary structure.

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And the lack of vacant parcels that are available in close proximity to this.

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This particular site, the structure, is sadly in an advanced state of deterioration due to deficient.

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Aging of the structural system, the material condition of the exterior envelope and some of.

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Those changes that we've seen over time when those openings were changed and things were swapped out.

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um The systems that were put back may not have been put back in um in a way to keep.

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That exterior envelope as uh as hundred percent um effective as possible. um As I mentioned the.

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The structure has been significantly modified over time. It's it's evident when you're on the.

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Interior and from the exterior that there's been a series of additions and and revisions made.

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And again, it's our professional opinion that demolition for demolition as an option.

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For this family is is very, very relevant and very, very necessary, based on the state of the structure.

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Moving on to section 1b, whether the landmark or building or structure can be retained on site.

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Again, there are significant structural defects. I will.

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Ask leo to answer any questions regarding the structure barrel engineering was.

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Kind enough to provide the the engineering report- that's included as an appendix in this.

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Document the property is currently vacant, the exterior walls have deteriorated.

J

And the structure has deteriorated quite the point where it is a concern.

J

For the surrounding community, I mean again there is that appendix with the structural.

J

Considerations, I do want to go through some more specific photos at this point.

J

You can see you can see here that over time some of these additions may have been an inferior.

J

Inferior construction and sort of this patchwork of of additions and fixes over time, while very.

J

Relevant and it served the purpose of the time it hasn't, um it definitely hasn't done the structure.

J

Any favor, and in longevity and um and and keeping those those bones still uh still good um here,.

J

You'll see some details from the front porch. There is a concrete porch, there's significant cracking.

J

And settling there's also been a built-in brick planter added at some point, which has caused some.

J

Some pretty significant differential settling at the at the front area of the house.

J

This is in the rear on the west side. Again, this is one of those those additions that we've referenced.

J

That has been sort of patched and fixed in with numerous materials and in numerous ways.

J

um Over over many decades, you can see the roof here. There is a metal roof. However, it's been.

J

Punctuated in numerous locations, not only with vents but also skylights, moving on to the interior.

J

The vast amount of what would be historic or period-appropriate detailing has has been lost.

J

On the interior and probably more disconcerting, is the amount of sort of differential settling.

J

That is found, especially along the edges of the house and and the structure the floor system.

J

Specifically, the structural system um will require would require a complete replacement.

J

um Okay, so that.

J

That kind of runs us through our some of our more detailed photos. The next section of the required.

J

Application section c whether relocating the landmark or building or structure, is.

J

Appropriate and feasible, I do want to share sort of a parcel map of the area.

J

We did take a look at what what was in close proximity and what was actually vacant.

J

So you will see the yellow box. Here is the subject property. We have a lot over here on.

J

21St avenue just to the north, a lot on 11th street just to the east and a lot directly to the south.

J

None of those were available for sale. um In addition to that, we looked at.

J

Sort of the the cost implications of vacant um of vacant parcels and what other comparable parcels.

J

Have sold for recently in the neighborhood you can see it ranges significantly from. I.

J

Think a low of 48 000 to a high of 75 000 fairly recently, and those are parcels of comparable size.

J

When you add that to the cost of a relocation which, based on personal experience of moving.

J

A house very recently about a tenth of a mile. It was a hundred thousand dollar.

J

Expense so right out of the gate you're at perhaps upwards of a hundred and seventy thousand dollars.

J

And that's before you start the rehab and then the question is, is it even? Is it even structurally.

J

Stable enough to relocate based on our review of the structure, we do not believe that that floor.

J

Structure is stable enough to actually withstand a relocation and then and then a rehabilitation.

J

Jumping to section d, whether the applicant has the ability to build the proposed new construction.

J

Within a reasonable period of time, if the application is approved, I think the applicant is.

J

In the process of talking to potential builders that may be sympathetic to building within the.

J

Community building, within the historic district, a new primary structure, there has been um discussion.

J

With at least two builders that have experience within the barrio, um but again that's that's not.

J

That's not a commitment that is, that is the owner. Looking at options.

J

So again there has been some review of setbacks and potential potential rebuilds on that site.

J

J

Whether the demolition or relocation is justified as an economic hardship, we ran through sort.

J

Of those relocation dollars that were provided in addition to that as part of the application.

J

Package, the owner, secured several rehabilitation, cost estimates the the one that stood out as being.

J

Most complete within the packet is 155 000, however, that did not include period appropriate windows.

J

Period appropriate siding because, quite honestly, from what we were able to see underneath the.

J

Aluminum siding that the vast majority of that siding would have to be replaced and and as.

J

You start to consider putting back appropriate windows or appropriate window sizes. um That's.

J

That pushes the number well above 200 000 for rehabilitation and then there's the question of.

J

There's a lot of addition stabbed on what gets rehabilitated. What comes off? What's it, it's.

J

Between 1910 and 1935, I'm not sure it was a specimen historic structure to to begin with.

J

That brings us to section two which the bulk of this is.

J

Not applicable, it's strictly pertaining to relocation.

J

And then economic hardship, section 3a, based on our.

J

Our review and our data from rs means quarter. 4 of 2020 looked like demolition expenses at.

J

The high side would be approximately sixteen thousand five hundred dollars.

J

And again, there is 3b we as soon as I wrap up here. Well, we'll open it to any questions from the.

J

The engineer who completed the structural assessment um of this property, you can see.

J

The estimated values on the property provided per the property appraisers valuation, which we know.

J

Doesn't always line up line up with the market? The primary structure is valued at approximately 64.

J

000, so we're talking less than less than a third of what it would be to to potentially rehabilitate.

J

Again, we just kind of ran through those numbers. In section d,.

J

The amount paid for the property, the property has been owned.

J

By the family for several generations and has not recently been sold, so that's.

J

Not applicable and the property is not currently income producing it. It.

J

Is vacant it has not been income producing for the previous two years as as asked in section f.

J

There is no mortgage balance or financing on the property section g. There have been no appraisals.

J

Secured by the owner in the last two years, section h, there have been no listings on mls.

J

Or advertisements for rent in the last two years and the let's see and then section j.

J

The assessed value of the properties you can see for the property appraiser site because there are.

J

Multiple structures um they are, the valuation is hi. There are three structures on that on that lot.

J

Inclusive of the three structures, the most recent valuation was at 136 429, with the primary.

J

The primary structure listed at 64 000.

J

Again, k, we've included those trim, notices and real estate tax information with redacted information.

J

In section k as an appendix to to this report and the property.

J

Per section l, the property is co-owned by veronica, lorenzo michael and christopher jeske. Those are.

J

Those are the sons and daughter of the most recent generation owner before that.

J

Finally, as I think I've stressed and stated, the current owners have only recently taken control of.

J

The property and are seeking to improve the entire parcel, with a greater sensitivity to the historic.

J

District um again they've just recently taken within the last year. This hasn't this isn't taken.

J

Lightly, I know the family has has really kind of employed and engaged a number of professionals to.

J

Look at at the property to give them quotes to look at what all the options are and.

J

And again feel like this demolition. Application is in the best interest for both the property and the.

J

The greater the greater community as a whole to be able to infill with something that's that that's.

J

Compatible and contributing in a positive way to the to the expanded district, and so.

J

With that, I guess I'll ask um leo if there are any structural questions to to join me up here and.

J

Be able to highlight anything from from his report regarding the structural conditions of the house.

D

Good morning, richard cannon with feral engineering and inspection.

D

I'm a licensed professional engineer: 65994 licensed professional mold, assessor mrsa3730.

D

Licensed professional mold, remediator, mrsr, 3897 and licensed professional.

D

Home inspector 8165, I'm basically here to answer any questions about our report that we produced on.

D

September 11 2020., I understand kim, provided us an appendix and you all have had a chance.

D

To review it, kamaria pass mackel from the city attorney's office. Now is not the time.

B

For them to ask you questions, this is still your time for the presentation they're not going to ask.

B

You questions at this moment they're waiting, giving you enough time for the presentation.

B

Okay, I'll just briefly outline the report. We were out there on september 11th 2020.

D

We usually use the hillsborough county fire damage report, outline template on evaluating structures.

D

It's a commonly accepted template in this area. What I mean by template is just the report table.

D

That appears on page one and two: we look at the structure and we analyze the different components.

D

This was a residential structure with a metal roof with structural damage of approximate 19 20 in age.

D

We analyzed the different components: roof sheathing. We found 50.

D

Overall damage roofing 100 percent damage wall sheathing, I'm sorry! My report is shifted.

D

Wall sheathing was 40 damage uh based on the we didn't do any invasive testing. So we would imagine.

D

Those components would actually increase in value during rem, remodel or remediation roof. Rafters.

D

Thirty percent ceiling joists fifty percent insulation, a hundred percent drywall plaster.

D

60 uh paint inside 100 paint outside 100 percent daring walls on the interior, 50 interior walls, 50.

D

Exterior doors, 100, exterior walls, 60 uh windows, 100, um the slab, which is in reference.

D

To what was at the front porch, um we found substantial damage there, so we put that as 100.

D

um Electrical 100 plumbing 40. um We don't have a percentage for air conditioning, even though it.

D

Would be envisioned if you were to actually repair the place you would have to actually.

D

Replace 100 of the air conditioning, so I just wanted to explain that one.

D

The florida building code, 2017 sixth edition, was looked at specifically for existing building code.

D

This house would fall under the classification of section.

D

0.2.3 for substantial structural damage to gravity, load-bearing components.

D

Damage was found throughout the structure. We are recommending demolition.

D

Due to this structure meeting the condition defined by local and state authorities.

D

To be dangerous and unsafe, we recommend that this property is condemned, demolished and rebuilt.

D

Has a new structure meeting florida building code now we're in 20 florida building code.

D

D

Okay, apologize about the level of feedback.

D

We go on in the report to list several codes and ordinances uh about why we feel that demolition is.

D

The proper answer, one of which is fema technical bulletin, 8 for substantial improvements and.

D

Substantial damage, which is part of 44 cfr 59.1. Basically, that rule is also known as the 50 rule.

D

When the cost of construction exceeds 50 percent of the cost of the actual building itself,.

D

You should really consider the options of replacement rather than repair.

D

Even though this is not in a flood zone, a lot of municipalities still use the fema 50.

D

Rule as a determining factor on repair versus replace, we then go on to cite the city of tampa.

D

Building code chapter five about unsafe buildings, conditions, work and non-conforming structures.

D

This building did meet the criteria for being unsafe. We did find a microbial growth which.

D

Could be attributable to some type of mold that was untested, so, in addition to the structural.

D

Damages we have outlined in this report is our professional opinion that mold remediation would.

D

Also have to occur on this property. Should you decide to have to save the interior.

D

With mold remediation, our preferred method of elimination is to remove the components that have.

D

The damage, so, in addition to the structural damages we have here, you would be removing.

D

Wood that would be adjacent, so the wood itself might actually be.

D

Fine looking from a structural standpoint, but it would still be contaminated with microbial growth.

D

We then go on to state about the hillsborough county ordinance part, a section, eight hyphen.

D

One it's their version of the unsafe house ordinance, which is unsafe structures and equipment.

D

Our report then goes on to talk about the florida building code, existing building code, chapter 6.

D

Where we outline what substantial structural damage is and the different components that.

D

Would need replace and or repair during a potential repair or replacement.

D

So I just want to read section 606.2.3 for substantial structure damage to.

D

Gravity load, components, gravity, load, components that have sustained substantial structural damage.

D

Shall be replicated to comply with the applicable provisions for dead and live loads in the florida.

D

Building code, um snow loads shall be considered if substantial structural damage was caused or.

D

Related to snow effects, which we don't get snow in tampa, at least not in the past 40 years,.

D

So basically that was the area that we found. We found damage to the gravity.

D

Load bearing components um in the attic on the walls and in in the crawl space.

D

Our report continues to outline other sections of the florida building code.

D

On what can be reused and or would need to be replaced in their entirety, a lot of the.

D

Systems are its 25 threshold, so once you repair or replace 25 of like electrical or plumbing or.

D

Hvac, you would have to upgrade those components to current building code, so that would mean 100.

D

Of all three of the mep, features of this property would need to be completely redone.

D

Our report then, has photos of our findings.

D

To support all the statements that we just made again is our recommendation that this.

D

Structure is demolished and rebuilt rather than repaired due to the level of damage that we found.

D

Thank you. I do just want to take one moment and stress that this house is.

J

um Again, it's been in this family for generations was our client's childhood home and they truly.

J

Exhausted numerous avenues to look at options for this property after their mother passed away.

J

And it came to the conclusion that it was simply not financially feasible, nor in the.

J

Best interest long term for both the property themselves and the community.

J

To to leave it as it is right now, with the hopes of of being able to financially.

J

Come to grips with the rehab cost, um and that is that wraps up my presentation.

A

Good morning, commissioners ron villa staff at historic, preservations stats, finding.

A

That this application is complete with the ordinance of chapter 2799 f, one through three.

A

Today, you're to evaluate the finding the facts at the facts that were entered into the record.

A

And see if it meets the criteria the agent and the engineer went through in a systematic manner.

A

The ordinance- and they addressed the majority of the issues completely staff- has additional.

A

Questions for them to present additional facts if they have them to present this morning, which is.

A

If there's any salvageable historic fabric items that are associated with this demolition request,.

A

That additional discussion to the rehabilitation numbers that are associated with the economic.

A

Hardship section specifically item d and if there's any additional photos that they want.

A

To put into the record, usually when we look at a demo, it's heavily aided with the demolitions and.

A

Showing the deterioration of the structure, so I believe, there's additional photos that they.

A

Have that they might want to share with the board at this time I'll be here to answer any questions.

F

Thank you ron. Now we will open up the floor for public comments. Is anyone here to speak.

F

For the project or against seeing anyone else come up, um we'll have the commissioners.

F

Ask any questions, starting with my left here liz? No, I don't have any questions right now.

G

My question is: has this house been condemned? No, it has not been condemned, so there were people living in it up to two years ago.

G

G

Whole house, air conditioning- it's a no, I haven't seen any. I saw no window units.

G

And I did see a condenser out back. It has no current and correct me if I'm wrong, but there's no.

J

Current acting hvac system right now, that's fully operational. There is oh, there is now there is.

G

The last thing you said was: is the agent that it's a financial problem I get that it's a 1920 frame.

G

House, it's also contributing structure, which is what we're doing here today. This is a contributing.

G

Structure, you don't tear it down because you can't afford to fix it.

G

Also, it's a nice house and it's straight as hell and the roof looks dandy to me. I wish I owned some.

G

Rooms that looked as good as that, it's straight, it's clean under the crawl spaces that house.

G

Can be fixed and it should be fixed because, as your clients know, it's a contributing structure.

G

It's contributing structure, that's what we do here. We save contributing structures.

G

I have nothing else to add. I think this is nonsense.

E

So a couple quick questions.

E

I'm kind of seeing some conflicting information on what part of the house.

E

Is con contributing structure? What part is not? We've seen two different sanborn maps.

E

I think historic preservation staff typically uses the 1935 sanborn map on their general assessment.

E

And I it's yeah on your graphic there. So are we just looking at the original 1910 sanborn map as.

E

The contributing structure or the additions that were done sometime that 25-year period after as.

E

Now part of the contributing structure, or are we just treating it all as one contributing structure.

J

Okay, so this structure is located within the recently expanded historic district. The local.

J

Historic district: this is north of columbus drive. I believe the sanborn on the right is what is.

J

Reflective and and staff can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that this on the right, which.

J

Was the 1935 sort of frozen in time? um Footprint is what is contributing and listed as contributing.

J

The accessory structure structures are not in this district listed as contributing. I will say that, as.

J

As we looked and crawled under the house and went through this rear, what became the rear addition.

J

There is a significant difference in the constructure in the construction.

J

From 1910 to 1935 and the stability and the structural integrity of that that addition.

J

In addition to that I mean it, I I respect and appreciate.

J

Your comments and mr schuller's comments. I I do think, um unfortunately, that this house has.

J

Has kind of passed the point where it's salvageable and can mr peeler just clarify okay.

A

Ron villa staff for historic preservation. So, as we look at the sanborn map, we use that as a tool.

A

To generate you know the original footprint of some of the historic structures that we.

A

Have over time, these buildings were added on to and they're significant in their own right.

A

So these date back to the 30s they're, historically uh considered an addition and that that it becomes.

A

Part of the contributing structure so looking at the image to the right that that whole footprint.

A

Would be a contributing structure, as indicated on our vicinity map that was adopted by councilman.

A

So those additions are show the series of how the district grew, how the house grew and.

A

They're significant and they are contributing, as indicated on this sanborn map here. Okay, thank you.

E

What's the future, what's the plan for this property.

E

I mean: is this like tear down we're going to build a new structure in a historically sensitive manner,.

E

It didn't sound like there was really a plan this. um There are three owners of this property. Three.

J

Siblings, as as I had originally mentioned, there has been some discussion with a builder allstate.

J

Homes that is familiar with the barrio guidelines and the potential to rebuild something that has.

J

That contributes to the historic fabric that is, in addition, it's a positive for the community.

J

um Short term that house has been vacant and is slowly deteriorating and.

J

As a resident that lives in this general area, I can tell you it's very hard when we.

J

Have these vacant structures that sit for extended periods of time.

J

I think there's concern about the short term, which is why we're here today, but there is interest.

J

Long term, in the construction of something new that truly.

J

Integrates into the fabric and contributes in a positive way to the historic district.

E

Yeah I mean this: is your neighborhood, you know to see another contributing structure.

E

Being lost and then you know I you know, I think that.

E

I'm sure you're kind of struggling with that, as well as we all are being involved in this.

E

Community, but this is a you know, good-looking structure. You know I I struggle with the you know.

E

Yes, the owners are the new owners to the building, but this has been in their family for.

E

Decades, you know, and it's slowly neglected, it's not like they inherit it's not like. They took.

E

Over the property- and I was like oh yeah- you know this has been going on for many many years.

J

I can't speak specifically to this family's history um with this particular structure.

J

But I can say it's something that especially in the north side of ebore, is a continuing.

J

Battle, it's a generational issue with a lot of these properties and it's it's an ongoing issue.

E

Thank you. I think this might be a question for ron, but with the section with um whether the section.

F

That says whether the applicant has the ability to build a proposed new construction within a.

F

Reasonable period of time, if the application is approved, so it's a condition that if we do grant.

F

A certificate appropriateness for demolition do they have to build a new, historically appropriate.

F

Structure on the site and in terms of reasonable time frame, do we set the time frame or what is.

F

Reasonable mean in this regard, um kamaria had a snapple from the city attorney's office, so.

B

The um the agent has represented that they're, not making a commitment about what they're.

B

Doing with the property they're just focused on the demolition, but I think she's previously.

B

Stated that there's no commitment of when they would do it when they would rebuild.

B

A contributing historical um structure there, so the code says reasonable, but.

B

Their the agent has represented that they're, not making a commitment to that.

J

I would like the honor to chime in on that, as they're, probably a little bit more before so.

B

If she has not been sworn, she does need this one right.

B

Hi, my name is veronica lorenz, I'm one of the co-owners of this property.

B

And yes, we have been in conversation with numerous builders, one that we're leading.

B

Towards this all-state, but I've spoken to three four, maybe even five we say we haven't committed.

B

Because we haven't signed a contract, but we hope to get done with this project.

B

If we get permission to demolish by the end of the year, that's really our goal and each each.

B

Builder that I've spoken to I've asked if they can accomplish this and they've all said. Yes,.

B

But we're still working on the specifics trying to get the price to where we need it.

B

So um we intend to replace something there. We don't want to leave it vacant or the property.

B

This was not an easy decision for us. Believe me, we've taken our time my mother passed in 2019, so.

B

I think we've done our due diligence on trying to rehab it and consider that as an option. This is a.

B

Very difficult decision for us: it's not easy, we don't take it lightly, so we do have plans.

B

To rebuild, and hopefully by the end of the year, if it works out that way may go a little longer.

B

Depending on the builder, but we are still working in the conversation with them on that.

B

Appreciate your consideration, thank you. Can I make another comment, sure go for it.

G

We know that if you want to put an all-state home.

G

On a lot in ivor city, you can't do it for less than two hundred thousand dollars and.

G

You're going to spend 250 000, but the renovation cost here is 155.. So it's not adding up to me.

B

Sorry, mario said it's not before the record. If you're going to speak, man.

B

I don't know if mr commissioner was asking a question of any of.

B

The asking you a question: are you: are you asking a question of the property.

B

Sure I can phrase that as a question, if it's going to cost more than 155, which you presented.

G

To build a new house considerably more and that's fact.

G

I don't understand why.

G

The city has to suffer the loss of a contributing property to do that.

G

So that's my question why? I will also mention that that section.

G

Has been added to ebola city recently ron. Is that correct, that's correct, and this is why.

G

This is exactly why the commissioners have some purview in looking at historic structures.

G

Because people don't want to pay the taxes on a house they'd rather pay it on a vacant.

G

Lot so, instead of a thousand dollars, you pay 300. That's not in my mind a reason to demolish.

G

Contributing structure, especially one that's as straight and frankly, very nice is this one.

J

I they all it's a 1920s frame house, they all require lots of maintenance and if they get.

G

A little bit out of hand they get expensive to fix, but that's life! That's why we're here.

G

Today, that's why that that the historic district has stretched over that property.

J

I would like to make a point of clarification. The one contractor estimate that was most complete.

J

Was for a stabilization and a primary rehabilitation of 155.

J

In discussing and going in depth in that estimate, we added an additional 55 000 anticipated because.

J

Both the window package and the siding package did not accommodate um some of the requirements to be.

J

um The value of the contributing structure they wasn't, it wasn't consistent. um The.

J

Windows proposed weren't simply not consistent, knowing what we know about the historic district.

J

So that total did bring it to up over to 200 to 10.. That being said, I think.

J

Our owner- that's here today, said it best at the end, when all of that is rehabbed.

J

The end result, the end product is, is something that's been sort of a patchwork of structures.

J

Over time it's been slowly added to specifically from 1910 to 1935, but in addition, there's been.

J

Subsequent enclosures there's been interior details that have been lost. There have been.

J

Window openings that are long gone that would be a guesswork. I completely hear what.

J

Commissioner, schiller is saying at the same time I am completely and wholeheartedly.

J

Empathetic with the owner who's in an incredibly difficult place, because the longer that sits.

J

The longer the longer it's a detriment not only to that block but to that north end of ybor city. So.

F

Were there any more pictures that you wanted to add to the record, and I also had a question.

F

For the engineer, looking through your list of the damaged components of the home, um I see you have.

F

The slab at 100- but I believe you said that was just for the patio. But um could you speak to the.

F

The floor structure and like the crawl space structure is that listed somewhere in here.

F

That's um somewhere else in here, or was it excluded for some reason.

D

Richard cannon with barrel project engineering, again.

D

The we have pictures in the report of the floor structure.

D

Trying to see where.

D

You know the floor structure again we're using the hillsborough county fire damage.

D

Report templates or using their categories, we believe the bearing walls comment at 50 percent.

D

Encompasses the crawl space structure because those are load-bearing components.

D

um As far as the actual state of them um from our photos, referencing um our photo.

D

In the report again, I don't have access to this machine. Our photo in the report. 5 6, 7, 8.

D

11 and 12, 13 and 14 all show damage in the crawl space.

D

Things I want to note now that were in my photos photo 9. We measured the.

D

Crawl space piers their space 12 feet apart, so they're actually further. Apart than what would.

D

Would now be considered standard, so any any mediation down there would basically involve.

D

Completely replacing those piers and putting new piers in, we would also have to reconfigure.

D

The entire crawl space support structure, older homes typically are split in the halfs.

D

What we do now, as a modern technique, is to split it into thirds.

D

So it would be a complete redesign of the crawl space, as you can see from photo number.

D

26 27 and 28 the settlement has actually caused a separation between the the baseboards.

D

The wall and the flooring, so the structure is already in an active state of collapse.

D

When we were out there showing by that differential settlement.

D

Other photos of note, in addition to having a loss of section so the way we rate.

D

The way we rate structural members is something called a loss of section. It's basically, if you.

D

Had a broomstick and you cut the broomstick in half and you turned it looked at that.

D

Piece that would be a section: the insurance companies in the engineering field. We divide that.

D

Into three categories: less than 15 percent between 15 and 30 percent in above 30 percent. When an item.

D

Is below 15, it doesn't require remediation when it is above 15 and below 30 percent. It does require.

D

Some level of remediation, either sistering or scabbing, both are used in practice, but.

D

As an engineer, we only recommend sistering and then, if it's above 30, we recommend replacement.

D

For this property in the addicts in the walls and in the crawl space we found load bearing members.

D

With greater than 30 percent, so those would require um complete replacement regardless. Another.

D

Thing to note is in is in photo number 11. We are showing microbial growth on that wood component.

D

Of greater than 10 square feet and that that would require mold remediation, so I'm speaking.

D

Even though, at the time we wrote this report we're only speaking from an engineering standpoint, I'm.

D

Now, speaking on behalf of two separate licenses before you today great thank you, the clarification.

G

Sir, was your firm retained paid for this report that you produced? I'm sorry eric. I.

D

Didn't understand you was your firm retained and were you paid for your work here? Yes, our firm.

D

Was retained to do a condition assessment of the property and create a report of the property based.

D

On the conditions we found in our inspection, do you think you would have been paid that you said.

G

Had produced a report that said boy that house isn't in bad shape, you should fix it.

B

From the city attorney's office, mr commissioner, I I hear what you're I.

B

Don't know that that's an approach. If you want to ask a question, I will gladly answer that question.

D

Our clients cannot receive our deliverables until they've repaid for the report.

D

Our reports are independent of what we are receiving and commissioned for them.

D

So they have no idea what they are receiving until they paid for the report, its entirety.

D

So the report could have said it could have been repaired. Report would have said it needs to be replaced. Report could have said we inspected the wrong house down.

D

The street they are going to pay for that report before they even see it. Thank you.

F

And then there was potential mention of any further.

F

Photos that may have been wanted to be put into the record. Is that the case or should we move on.

D

um We just have the 28 photos in our report, which we already believe is in the record.

D

We were not prepared to enter all of our photos from the inspection which we do.

D

Have logged in our system, but I will get with kim if those need to be added to the record.

D

Depending what happens to that, would you like those added to the record.

F

Or that that those photographs are not here, what you say, okay, but can they be added later and would.

F

Have to be something that um will not be able to take that into consideration. Okay, because.

F

F

All right are there any further rebuttals or anything else that you would like to add in the next five minutes before we close the public hearing.

B

And so now the applicant for the agent has five minutes for rebuttal.

B

I'm sorry um one of the commissioners says one problem, quick question. um This headline is the.

E

They put a skylight in the roof, but there's no active second floor right. It looked like there was.

E

Hardline ceilings in there probably to the bottom of the trusses.

E

But part of the one of the photos look like it might have had like a knee wall up there.

E

um Is there a second floor to this building or is it just the.

E

Framing there is no, um there is no second floor to this building. It is just it's just attic.

J

Space there were skylights added with sort of a light. Well that went down into the kitchen. It's.

J

Not period appropriate, obviously,.

J

And somewhat detrimental to the envelope over time. Okay, thank you.

F

All right now would the applicant like to provide any rebuttals or any further comments for the next.

F

Five minutes, I think the only thing left that I can stress is that is that the owner is this.

J

Has not been taken lightly that the initial assessments completed by barrel engineering.

J

And the initial cost estimates from, I think upwards of at least half a dozen contractors for.

J

Rehabilitation of the best intentions and with um the intent to see if it was economically feasible.

J

To save this structure again, it's been, um it's been modified significantly over time and has.

J

Some and it does have some significant issues like a lot of hundred-year-old houses. um I.

J

Just want to stress this has been, I think, a difficult process for the owner to come.

J

Before you today, and to request the demolition and um it's not taken, it's not taken lightly.

F

Thank you. I will now close the public hearing and have the commission's discuss the case, starting.

F

To my left, can I ask one more question to reopen this up here: a motion to reopen the public hearing.

F

I'll make a motion to reopen. Is there a second.

F

On favor aye any opposed. Okay, this question is to ron and staff. Did you say that the additions.

G

In some cases, perhaps these also become part of the historic structure, contributing structure ron.

A

Villa staff, with historic preservation- it's not in some cases, it's in all cases that if you have.

A

A contributing structure and you do addition to a contributing structure. That's over 50 years old.

A

They become significant in their own right, contributing to the to the overall classification.

A

Of that parcel, so when the applicant is saying that there are several additions to that.

G

We may not know the time, but it may be possible that those can those additions are part of the.

G

Contributing structure it appears to by the maps that were provided to today that the footprint.

A

That is indicated on the 1935 sanborn and the footprint that's out there today are consistent.

G

Thank you. I have no more questions. Okay, so then we'll close, the public hearing and.

F

Then we'll discuss the case, starting from my left. I don't have anything right now.

E

Yeah I mean this is a tough decision. I mean I I share. I understand the burden of the owners and.

E

You know I, like you know, I think they came came before us and said they have a.

E

A plan to to put a new house on there uh will it be a historic house? No, you know it'll be a.

E

Historically sensitive, probably in the same, you know pattern uh for that area. You know, I think.

E

We saw one example of that uh here um of one option that they could do, but there's you know.

E

No firm commitment that they're gonna do that, although I do think that they will rebuild you.

E

Know when we get these demolition of contributing structures, I think one of the biggest fears that.

E

We have in the district is that it's turned into a parking lot more so in the the national district.

E

That's not the case here, you know, so that's one, one plus for them. I think they have gone through.

E

The process the that's outlined in the in the ordinances to successfully document the case.

E

For this, but you know this is still demolition by neglect. You know, through the family over the years.

E

And I really hate these cases and I think one of the stronger points too is.

E

That this area was incorporated into the local historic district to do exactly what it's meant.

E

To do here is to preserve the historic structures and contributing structures in that local district.

E

For future generations, for future, you know to maintain the fabric of the historic district.

E

um That was a very you know, specific move to done to protect the inventory of the houses.

E

It is a beautiful house, I think it can be rehabilitated. There's some nice features there.

E

Not all the features, but I think there's enough of a historic fabric there that can be.

E

E

I know it's just tough for me to get behind another demolition of a contributing structure.

E

In the district right now, can I edit something out rich said I initially.

G

Said it he backed it up, but I want to make this point because it's really important.

G

The district has been stretched to cover more.

G

Area- and this is the reason why we're the commissioners.

G

Who are the guardians of of our historic treasure.

G

This house is as straight as an arrow. This house can be fixed you've, seen houses.

G

We all have fourth and fifth avenues that if the termites stopped shaking hands, they would.

G

Absolutely fall down tomorrow, people go in there and they take the time and the care and the love.

G

And the money, because it's not cheap, no certain, we understand it's not cheap. Believe me.

G

And they fix the houses and they go on for another 100 years, and maybe the commission isn't 100.

G

Years from now, we'll do something different, but we are here to protect this house and I.

G

I just can't I just can't see just allowing it to be. You know, bulldozed, to put up a concrete block.

G

House that kind of looks like a suggestion now, if this was an empty lot, absolutely no problem.

G

Go right ahead, but it's not they've got a decent house here, lots of them in much much worse, shape.

G

Are saved by owners who want to save them? These folks don't want to save them, and it's a money.

G

Thing- and I get I get it believe me- I've been in this position, so what I would say to the owners is.

G

I'd love to see you come back here with a project, we're a creative architect and there.

G

Are tons of them around has taken this house and gets all fired up and shows you this house.

G

With one or two of the additions, maybe the apartment thing in the back, maybe the other.

G

Who knows, but they can really do a hell of a job and I'd love to review that and pass it for you.

G

I would I'm all for you and I respect the the family ties here, but.

G

The right thing for the very latino commission to do is to save this house and that's my opinion.

F

As the other commissioner stated, I agree, this is a very difficult case um and just to add.

F

uh Something separate that I believe, commissioner, schiller sort of alluded to as well.

F

In terms of the economic burden of proof, from sort of the tallies we've seen, so if it's going to be a.

F

Hard rehab job sure it's going to be extensive upwards of 200 000. um I believe at sort of a.

F

High estimate, but a new build if it was to be demolished, would probably cost as much if not more.

F

uh Than the rehab estimate that we've seen kind of before us, I know it's, um it can be a heavy.

F

Personal financial burden for the owners of the property as well to just kind of have to hold.

F

On to something like this, but in terms of being stewards of having to try to save some of these.

F

Historic structures: once we lose one, it's it's lost forever and um it's we. We can't have it back.

F

I'm I would be open to having this case also, as well, potentially being continued.

F

Where they can provide more uh economic burden of proof if they feel that is their situation,.

F

um But as of the moment, I'm not sure it quite adds up. uh Kamaria pedestal from the city attorney's.

B

Office, mr chair, um you brought up that you would be open to a continuance. I believe that the the.

B

Agent or the applicant um would like permission to request a continuity sure.

J

And listening to the discussion so far today, I think I think are applicant and.

J

And I would like to request that this get continued for for one month. Let us review the.

J

Documents that we have to date, let us not only look closer at the numbers, but look closer to.

J

um To addressing some of mr schiller's points and reconvene in 30 days, can we discuss that.

F

Sure we can discuss that. I mean we're open for discussion. um Well I'd like to discuss that. Okay.

B

I'm sorry I'm sorry, mr chair, I'm sorry is there a question about.

B

The applicant's request to a continuance. Yes, what I'm sorry what's the question? The question is.

G

They're here for demolition right, but they are entitled to continue their their their application.

B

As a matter of due process, they are entitled to completing their application.

B

Well, if they're entitled, there's no question.

C

Just a point as you're considering the continuance, the next public hearing would be february. 23Rd.

C

uh 2021 at 9 00 am in these chambers and that would have to be by a motion. um So I make a.

F

Motion to continue the applicant's case to the next publication. No, mr chair consumption, oh wait.

F

Sorry, I can't make a motion. Sorry, that's right! Move to granite, continuous continuance in case blc.

E

21-34 for the property located at 2910 north 10th street to the february 23rd.

E

2021 public hearing do we have a second second favorite, all right, any opposed.

F

So that includes, uh I will close today's public hearing. Thank you very much.

F

You make everyone hard to have a good time.