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B
B
E
It
is
a
citizens,
review
board's
job
to
review
the
cases
and
render
an
opinion
as
to
whether
the
investigation
was
done
according
to
department
policies
and
procedures.
The
citizens
review
board
members
are
provided
the
investigative
files
in
advance
of
the
meeting.
The
citizens
review
board
will
hear
from
the
department
whenever
matters
of
importance
or
interest
are
requested
for
review
by
the
board
or
the
department.
E
The
coordinator
for
the
board
is
captain
patrick
mesmer.
Any
person
who
wishes
to
make
a
complaint
concerning
a
matter
which
may
be
considered
by
the
professional
standards
bureau
should
see
captain
mesmer
for
information
on
how
to
file
a
complaint.
The
board
should
not
discuss
matters
where
the
city
or
the
department
may
likely
be
a
party
in
litigation.
B
F
B
B
B
Did
we
receive
any
voice
mail
public
comment
for
this
question
at
this
meeting
we.
H
Somebody
in
attendance,
but
they're
not
here
for
public
comment,
so
there
is
no
public
comments
and
just
share
just
so.
You
know:
we've
checked
the
phone
messages
or
no
phone
messages
either.
B
D
Did
the
findings
and
disposition
on
this
case,
but
I'll
be
reviewing
it
for
him?
As
I
investigated
it,.
C
D
And
this
is,
like
you
said:
21f001
on
february,
9th
2021
master
patrol
officer
lyon
authored
an
email
to
his
lieutenant
expressing
concern
that
his
supervisor
sergeant
anthony
portman
was
destroying
morale
on
the
dui
squad
and
undermining
former
chief
dugan's
authority,
specifically
officer
lyon.
Alleged
sergeant
portman
imposed
quotas
on
members
of
the
dui
squad
and
solicited
photographs
of
the
chief,
not
wearing
a
mask
officer.
D
During
this
conversation,
corporal
sims
sent
a
photograph
of
former
chief
dugan
standing
with
someone
dressed
as
santa
claus,
while
not
wearing
a
mask
and
suggested
chief
dugan
should
write
himself
up.
Sergeant
portman
replied
any
more
photos.
Anyone
has
please
send
them
to
me.
According
to
officer
lyon,
sergeant
portman
related
to
his
subordinates
that
he
saw
a
staff
member
escorting
civilians
into
tpd
headquarters
without
wearing
a
mask
and
that
he
should
pull
the
video
to
give
to
his
wife,
who
is
our
union
president?
D
Additionally,
sergeant
portman
and
corporal
sims
engage
in
a
conversation
via
their
mdts,
which
are
the
computers
that
they
use
in
their
patrol
cars,
about
supervisors
being
seen
on
body,
worn
camera
video
not
wearing
masks
which
corporal
sims
referred
to
them
as
elitist
earlier.
In
the
conversation
sergeant
portman
discussed
the
existence
of
a
photograph
of
staff
members
on
a
boat
without
masks
on
corporal
sims
admitted
to
sending
the
photo
of
chief
dugan
and
suggested
that
he
write
himself
up
and
explain.
D
The
comment
was
made
in
jest
because
he
knew
sgt
portman
was
frustrated
with
the
situation
going
on
between
the
pba
and
chief
dugan.
At
the
time,
sergeant
portman
admitted
to
soliciting
the
photos
of
anyone
not
wearing
masks
and
stated
that
it
was
personal
banter.
Regarding
former
chief
dugan's
response
to
the
pba's
letter,
sergeant
portman
explained
he
felt
former
chief
dugan
may
start
coming
after
his
officers
and
he
wanted
to
protect
them.
Sergeant
portman
admitted
there
was
banter
about
obtaining
video
of
staff
not
wearing
masks.
D
Regarding
the
alleged
quotas,
our
department
imposed
on
the
dui
squad
officer
lyon
referenced
an
mdt
message.
Sergeant
portman
sent
that
read,
12
dui
night
should
be
easy
officer.
Lyon
suggested
this
quota
could
lead
dui
officers
to
make
bad
arrests
on
marginal
cases
due
to
pressure
that
they
felt
from
sergeant
portman.
D
Regarding
the
quota
referenced
by
officer
lyon,
I
obtained
mbt
records
from
the
date
in
question,
as
well
as
the
records
from
several
dates.
Prior
to
and
after
this
message
was
sent.
Sergeant
portman
sent
this
message
on
friday
february
5th
2021
was
two
nights
before
the
super
bowl
being
held
in
tampa.
D
This
message
was
centered
in
a
lengthier
conversation
about
how
busy
it
was
that
night
and
the
need
for
the
units
on
the
squad
to
help
each
other
out
when
sergeant
portman
sent
the
message
officer.
Lyon
immediately
replied
is
that
a
quota
sergeant
portman
replied.
No,
you
can't
do
12
by
yourself
and
there
will
be
signal
one
all
over
the
city
signal.
One
is
our
tpd-10
code
for
intoxicated
drivers.
D
D
The
officers
did
not
agree
that
there
was
an
issue
with
morale
on
the
squad
and
some
suggested
it
had
improved
since
sergeant
portman
was
transferred
to
the
squad
in
his
final
disposition,
captain
mesmer
determined,
sergeant
portman
and
corporal
sims
engaged
in
conversation
with
subordinate
officers
criticizing
the
department's
application
of
the
mask
policy,
specifically
seeking
out
and
providing
photographs
of
staff
members
not
adhering
to
or
enforcing
mass
wearing
requirements.
This
was
done
to
obtain
leverage
should
it
be
needed
if
the
dui
officers
received
discipline
for
not
wearing
masks
and
to
mock
their
believed.
D
Hypocrisy
in
the
mass
order
sergeant
portman
utilized
the
department's
camera
system
to
obtain
photographs
of
a
masked
staff
member,
accompanied
by
unmasked
guests
entering
the
tpd
headquarters
building,
there
was
no
legitimate
business
related
reason
for
sergeant
portman
to
access
the
system.
For
this
reason,
as
it
does
not
relate
to
his
role
as
a
dui
unit
supervisor,
both
sergeant
portman
and
corporal
sims
utilize
department
issued
mdts
to
engage
in
discussion
and
gossip.
The
actions
of
both
sgt
portman
and
corporal
sims
did
not
reflect
the
proper
leadership
or
guidance
expected
of
a
supervisor.
D
Captain
mesmer
found
that,
based
on
the
evidence,
provided
it
does
not
appear
sergeant
portman
or
corporal
sims
actions,
cause
neglect
or
inadequate
attention
to
their
duties.
Therefore,
he
did
not
sustain
a
violation
of
mor1204
attentiveness
to
duty
for
both
sergeant
portman
and
corporal
sims.
He
did
sustain
violations
of
mor1008
criticism
and
gossip.
Mor
1402.02,
departmental
property
restriction
abuse
an
mr
1701
supervisor,
corporal
sims,
did
exercise
his
right
to
grieve
the
findings
and
the
discipline.
In
this
case
he
went
to
step
three
of
the
grievance
process,
at
which
time
they
did
not
sustain
more
1701
supervisor.
D
However,
they
did
sustain,
departmental
property,
restriction
of
use
and
mor1008
for
criticism
and
gossip.
His
discipline
was
reduced
from
a
letter
of
counseling
to
an
oral
admonishment.
Sergeant
portman
also
exercised
his
right
to
grieve
the
findings.
However,
at
step
three
of
the
grievance
process,
they
maintained
that
all
violations
should
be
sustained
and
his
written
reprimand
also
stated,
and
they
did
they
denied
that
grievance.
F
Yes,
hi
corporal
on
the
on
that
stage,
three
grievance,
where
they
they
sustained
all
the
the
violations
did
that
include
the
violation
of
1204
pretended
to
do
so,
so
that
was
that
was
already
declined
earlier.
Yes,
okay,
so
that
that
was
not
in
play.
Yes,.
D
They
just
sustained
the
ones
originally
found
by
captain
mesmer,
the
three
for
sergeant
portman.
F
So
the
mdt
system
is
basically
the
computers
that
are
in
all
the
all
of
our
cars.
Yes,
when
these
text,
these
the
texts
that
were
being
sent
back
and
forth
through,
I
guess
through
the
mdt-
was
this
during
on
duty
hours.
Yes,.
D
F
The
I'm
sorry
is
it
the
gen
tech
or
the
genetech
genotech
system,
the
genetech
system.
Can
you
describe
that
system.
D
It's
the
name
of
our
camera
system
throughout
the
all
of
our
facilities
on
all
of
our
buildings.
It's
just
the
name
of
the
the
camera
system.
It
has
all
the
cameras
outside
of
all
of
our
districts,
some
downtown
and
you
can
pull
up
and
look
in
the
hallways.
Look
in
the
elevator
areas
around
the
district,
the
lobby,
the
parking
lots.
F
And
can
anyone
can
anyone
on
in
on
tpd,
decide
to
ask
for
footage
of
the
of
the
genotech
system?
I.
D
D
He
does
have
access
to
the
system.
I
have
access
as
a
detective,
but
we
use
it
for
work
related
purposes.
Sometimes,
if
someone's
working
a
district
office
overnight,
the
only
time
I've
ever
really
seen
is
they'll
pull
it
up.
So
they
can
see
the
rear
of
the
building
at
night
to
see
the
entrance
and
exit
things
like
that
and.
F
I
Hi,
I'm
just
curious,
are
text
messages
containing
personal
banter
allowed
on
the
system.
No,
so
not
only
were
they
talking
smack,
they
shouldn't
have
been
on
it
at
all.
Do
it.
I
A
To
clarify
one
thing
is
said
on
the
agenda
and
then
another
thing
is
said
on
the
grievance.
So
the
criticism
was
that's
the
thing.
Yes,
how
about
the
attentiveness
to
duty
that.
D
I
didn't
do
the
findings,
I'm
not
sure
he
said
it
didn't.
The
evidence
does
not
show
that
they
were
negligent
or
paid
inadequate
attention
to
their
duties.
They
were
still
operating
as
supervisors
of
the
squad,
so
it
didn't
affect
that
part
of
their
duties
is
what
was
written
in
the
disposition
letter.
A
Okay,
because,
according
to
what
we
received,
the
mor
attempted
to
do,
the
employees
should
not
participate
in
any
activity
or
personal
business
which
could
cause
them
to
neglect
or
devote
inadequate
attention
to
their
duties
by
participating
in
all
these
other
instances
of
technology
and
whatnot.
That
is
clearly
neglect
of
their
attention
to
their
current
duties
that
they
should
be.
You
know
attending
to.
So
definitely
I
feel
like
that
should
be
something
that
should
be
sustained
and
then.
Thirdly,
the
supervisory.
That's
also
nasa's
sustained
that.
E
Will
colonel
ray?
Yes!
Thank
you.
Thank
you
chair
a
couple
questions
corporal.
Thank
you
very
much
just
for
clarification
for
me.
So
in
the
in
one
of
the
statements
he
talked
about
officer
bannon
having
a
series
of
low
blows
low
blow
arrests.
So
let
me
just
understand
this.
If
I'm
wrong,
please
correct
me
is
that
the
situation
where
the
person
technically
blows
under
the
legal
limit,
so
they
would
otherwise
be
legal,
but
then
their
other
behavior
in
the
discretionary
judgment
of
the
officer
indicates
they're
still
impaired.
Yes,
that's.
D
The
way
it
was
explained
to
me,
I
think,
if
you
may
have
read
the
transcripts,
I
learned
a
little
bit
more
about
it
throughout
this
investigation
that
a
low
blow
is
anything
under
0.08
and,
like
you
said
it
could
be
narcotics,
it
could
be
another
reason
but
they'll
review
it
if
they
get
a
blow
under
the
0.08.
So.
D
Well,
they
they
don't
blow
until
they
get
to
central
breath
testing
if
they
elect
to
blow.
So
there
are
other
indicators
of
intoxication
prior
to
that,
so
they're
still
going
to
get
charged
with
it,
but
we
don't
know
what'll
happen
at
the
end
result.
Okay,
it
could
be
your
analysis
who
knows
so
that
there
had
they
had
other
indicators
to
charge
them
with
that.
E
E
1008
says
you
know:
you're
not
allowed
to
criticize
per
se,
but
then
what
about
it?
That
in
the
in
the
mind
of
that
officer,
they
feel
that
person
feels
it's
legitimate.
There's
there's
something
to
that.
What
what's
their
recourse
then.
D
I
think
this
officer
handled
it
the
right
way
to
the
letter
of
it.
It
says
publicly
criticize
or
ridicule
the
department,
so
this
officer
didn't
go
out
publicly
screaming
from
the
rooftops
or
anything
that
he
thinks
sergeant
portman
is
doing
this.
Corporal
sims
is
doing
this.
He
went
through
his
chain
of
command
he's
an
officer.
D
The
concern
was
about
his
sergeant,
so
he
skipped
his
sergeant's
rank,
went
to
his
lieutenant,
sent
him
an
email
and
addressed
his
concerns,
so
that
officer
would
not
be
alleged
to
have
violated
any
mor
about
criticism
or
gossip
because
he's
addressing
concerns
through
his
chain
of
command.
E
Okay
and
then,
as
a
policy
question
internal
policy
question,
does
the
police
have
do
you
have
any
kind
of
policies
or
practices
where,
when
you
have
these
sort
of
situations,
internal
type
situations
that
you
have
like
sensing
sessions
or
informal
counseling
sessions,
where
the
where
the
team,
in
this
case,
the
dui
team
would
under
under
the
chain
of
command,
would
get
together
in
a
setting,
maybe
an
informal
type
of
setting
to
kind
of
discuss
this
kind
of
stuff
so
that
it
doesn't
have
to
bubble
to?
To
this
point,
I've.
D
E
D
He
could
do
that
if
he
thought
I'm
for
officer
lyon.
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
him,
maybe
if
he
thought
it
was
something
that
he
could
address
with
sergeant
portman,
corporal
sims
and
all
get
together
or
just
get
together
with
the
two
of
them
and
maybe
the
lieutenant
he
could
have
elected
to
do
that.
Yes,
okay!
Thank
you!
Yep!
That's
up
to
him!.
D
Yes,
it
was
the
one
I
I
don't
remember
what
publication
it
was
in,
but
the
pba
wrote
a
letter
about
their
stance
on
the
masked
mandates
and
things
like
that
it
was
published.
I
can't
remember
I'm
sorry
what
where
it
was
published,
but
chief
dugan
responded
to
it.
I'm.
F
Just
trying
to
get
a
sense
of
the
context
and
the
atmosphere
within
the
the
department
how
how
soon
before
that
this
happened
in
february.
Yes,
how
soon
before
that
was
that
letter
sent
to
the
nfl.
D
D
D
D
It
was
2020
early
2021,
I
think
I
I
can
say
it
was
a
stressful.
Obviously
we
have
officers
that
believe
different
things
on
both
ends
of
the
spectrum.
Sergeant
portman
is
married
to
our
union
president.
I
think
a
lot
of
things
just
came
into
play
that
it
was
a
tense
situation.
F
D
F
But
the
mdt
messages
referencing
having
pictures
yes
sent,
was
dur
on
duty.
Yes-
and
this
is
this-
is
available
for
every
everyone
within
the
tpd.
These
mdt.
D
D
F
But
but
the
the
the
range
of
people
it
was
sent
to
was
enough
to
give
sergeant
portman
enough
discomfort
to
say
that
we
should
stop
these
messages.
D
F
Is
on
duty?
Yes,
okay,
I'll
just
I'll
just
read
for
the
record
and
obviously
corporal
you.
You
know
this
in
your
sleep
attentive
to
attentiveness
to
duty
department,
employees
shall
at
all
times
be
attentive
to
their
assigned.
F
Duties
and
then
what
was
also
referenced
shall
not
participate
in
any
activity
or
personal
business
which
could
cause
them
to
neglect
or
devote
inadequate
attention
to
their
duties.
And
again
this
was
a
couple
of
nights
before
the
super
bowl,
and
I
I
would
assume
that
the
dui
squads
at
that
time
are
and
on
high
alert,
yes
for
for
extensive
driving,
while
while
intoxicated
and
and
there
were
mdt
messages
being
sent
back
and
forth
within
this
unit
that
had
nothing
to
do
with
their
assigned
duties.
Yes,
thank
you.
J
C
C
C
You
have
to
be
a
drug
recognition
expert
to
utilize
this
tactic,
but
it
has
to
do
with
an
involuntary
twitching
of
the
eyes.
Yeah
have
you
ever
seen
where
they
use
the
pen
and
they
say,
follow
with
your
eyes.
That's
they're,
actually
looking
for
horizontal
gates
in
this
time.
J
J
There
was
a
reference
to
broadband.
He
actually
was
concerned
that
perhaps
they
had
held
some
files
of
his
foreign
and
he
said
they
should
have
been
discarded.
What
is
the
time
limit
on
how
long
files
can
be
held.
D
So,
pending
file
serves
as
prior
to
getting
an
llc
if
you
commit
a
minor
violation,
maybe
not
even
a
violation,
just
something
that
you
shouldn't
do
this
again
we're
going
to
talk
about
this
and
address
a
training
issue.
Things
like
that.
They'll
write,
what's
called
a
pending
file,
so
within
six
months,
if
you
stay
with
the
same
squad
and
you
don't
commit
the
same
infraction
or
training
issue
again,
it'll
be
removed
from
your
file.
D
But
if
you,
if
I,
if
I
received
one,
maybe
two
three
weeks
a
few
months
before
I
move
on
to
a
new
squad,
it'll
remain
in
my
file
so
that
my
next
supervisor
is
aware
of
the
issue
so
officer
brabant's
concern
is
that
sergeant
portman
was
holding
on
to
these
pending
files
to
use
them
against
him.
At
a
later
date,
sergeant
portman
did
provide
documentation
all
the
way
up
to
the
lieutenant
that
authorized
him
to
hold
on
to
these
files
to
document
other
training
issues.
D
J
And
that-
and
I
only
asked
that,
because
I
understood
that
he
was
pulled
off
duty
at
some
point
and
he
thought
that
it
may
have
had
something
to
do
with,
depending
about
that,
he
felt
should
have
been
pulled
and
not
been
hold
held
on
for
approximately
three
years.
The
question
was
asked
about
the
mdt
messages.
When
this
come
up
again,
I
just
kind
of
want
to
know
what
it
is.
That's
why
I
asked
about
the
agent
what
does,
and
you
just
told
us
about
the
system,
what
does
mdt?
J
D
C
Yeah,
it's
a
drug
recognition
expert
and
I'm
sorry
I
did
miss
speech
earlier.
So
the
drug
recognition
expert
is
someone
who
can
obviously
recognize
the
different
type
of
drugs
that
are
out
there
and
in
order
to
testify
in
hgn,
which
is
horizontal
gaze
and
nystagmus,
you
have
to
be
a
drug
recognition
expert.
You
have
to
take
that
class
in
order
to
testify
officers.
Any
officer
can
use
that
to
detect
the
indicators
of
the
nystagmus.
C
But
again
you
have
to
be
the
drug
recognition
expert
to
actually
testify
in
court.
So,
okay
and.
J
You
might
want
to
just
state
my
last
question
h-ent.
I
noticed
it
was
under
officer
bailey's
case
h-ent
and
the
where
it
was
synonymous.
B
And
if
you
will,
what
is
the
letter
of
grievance
and
how
is
it
used
and
what
is
his
primary
purpose.
D
If
an
officer
feels
that
they
disagree
with
the
findings
or
discipline
that
has
been
administered
by
the
department,
they
have
the
right
to
our
contract
to
grieve
it,
and
it
will
go
through
different
steps.
Depending
on
the
discipline
that
has
been
administered.
It
depends
on
what
step
it
will
begin.
Sergeant.
Portman's
in
this
case
was
a
written
reprimand
and
I'm
sorry,
corporal
sims
and
sergeant
department
were
both
transferred
off
the
dui
squad.
At
the
conclusion
of
this
investigation.
They
both
were
put
on
patrol
squads.
D
Neither
were
happy
with
the
findings
or
discipline
and
they
grieved
them.
So
that's
their
chance
to
go
through
the
process
and
explain
why
they
feel
it's
unjust
or
unfair.
They
can
suggest
what
they
felt
would
have
been
a
fair
discipline
why
they
feel
the
findings
are
not
consistent
with
department
policies
and
procedures.
So
that's
their
way
of
appealing
the
decisions.
B
A
D
Sims
his
letter
of
counseling
was
reduced
to
an
oral
admonishment
and
he
was
transferred
from
the
dui
squad
to
a
patrol
squad.
Sergeant
portman
had
a
written
reprimand.
This
grievance
was
denied
so
that
he
stayed
he
had
a
written
reprimand
and
he
was
also
transferred
from
the
dui
squad
to
a
patrol
squad
and
that
takes
into
the
consideration
the
financial
impact
of
being
removed
from
a
dui
squad.
They
work
excessive
amount
of
overtime.
Extensive
excuse
me.
They
get
federal,
grant
money
to
work
dui,
so
that's
taken
into
consideration
to
transfer
them
off
the
squad.
E
H
K
Yes,
do
you
know
approximately
how
much
of
a
financial
impact
for
both
of
those
officers
were.
D
I
don't
want
to
estimate
or
misspeak.
I
know
that
they,
like,
I
said
they
work.
They
have
mult
many
opportunities
for
overtime
court
for
all
of
the
traffic
hearings.
Things
like
that.
It's
it's
a
significant
impact
to
their
income.
Okay,
I
don't
want
to
misspeak
and
give
you
a
wrong
number
and
I've
never
worked
on
the
dui
squad.
K
D
C
F
Thank
you,
mr
tamayo.
Corporal
did
did
officer
lyon
line
stay
on
the
dui
squad.
D
D
F
Very
interesting
series
of
events
calls
made,
as
you
were
interviewing
sergeant
portman,
a
call
made
by
a
representative
of
the
pba.
Yes,
accusing
officer
lyon
of
being
a
liar.
Yes,
can
you.
D
Yes,
in
this
investigation,
sergeant
portman
accused
officer
lyon
of
deleting
text
messages
in
the
thread
that
he
provided
as
his
evidence
that
sergeant
portman
felt
changed
the
context
and
were
relevant
to
the
investigation.
So
after
that,
another
formal
investigation
was
open
on
officer
lyon,
that's.
D
I
I
D
Can't
speak
to
captain
mesmer's
findings,
but
I
just
know
that
he
wrote
that
from
the
evidence
he
was
provided,
he
did
not
feel
that
sergeant
portman
and
corporal
sims
were
negligent
were
inattentive
to
their
responsibilities.
As
dui
supervisors
he'll
be
back
next
month.
He
may
be
able
to
expand
on
that
a
little
bit,
but
he
just
said
based
on
the
evidence,
provided
he
didn't
feel
that
was
a
charge
that
would
meet
what
they
did.
I
D
J
The
when
they
made
reference
to
the
inclement
weather
and
they
couldn't
go
out
and
do
stops
or
was
not
going
to
do
out
and
there's
two
questions
on
this
one.
J
If
they
had
stopped-
and
that
was
duty
time-
and
they
indicated
they
was
back
behind
somewhere
and
then
portman
and
kind
of
instructed
them
to
get
up
and
go
back
to
work.
If
they
were
doing,
let's
say
a
portman
or
one
of
sims
was
there
with
him,
and
they
were
just
sitting
back
talking
about
that
and
because
it
was
raining,
would
that
be
an
intendedness
to
duty.
D
D
I
believe
in
the
one
you're
describing
sergeant
portman
said
that
they
were
working
on
grant
time,
which
means
they
were
being
paid
to
come
in
and
specifically
had
a
mission
to
enforce
dui
and
they
were
sitting
behind.
I
believe
it
was
a
restaurant
talking
with
their
cars
parked
next
to
each
other
and
he
felt
that
they
didn't
need
to.
They
hadn't
worked
that
many
calls.
Yet
they
didn't
have
a
lot
of
paperwork
and
he
felt
they
needed
to
go
back
to
work
and
not
sit
and
chat.
J
D
J
D
J
B
Let's
let
this
particular
case
to
shine
light
on
the
importance
of
integrity
and
moral
obligation.
Our
officer
has
to
this
department,
as
well
as
the
citizens
in
in
this
particular
case.
It
raised
a
few
eyebrows
and
and
was
able
to
share
with
us
the
investigative
street
and
what
should
have
took
in
place
if
an
officer
felt
that
there
was
something
there
and
reference
investigative
and
the
parameters
and
why
they're
there
and
why
it's
set.
So
with
that
being
said,
I'm
open
for
emotion.
A
G
I
D
G
Your
your
parameters
for
your
motion
are
concurred,
do
not
concur
or
unable
to
reach
a
decision,
and
you
can
certainly
bifurcate
your
motion.
If
you
concur
with
the
determination
the
disposition
of
the
complaint
or-
and
you
don't
concur
with
the
discipline,
you
can
certainly
fabricate
your
emotions
so.
A
A
Sure
so,
as
it
states
on
the
mlr,
the
parameters
behind
the
mmr
is
that
employees
shall
not
participate
in
activity
or
personal
business
which
could
cause
them
that
neglect
or
devote
inadequate
attention
to
their
duties.
So,
if
they're
busy,
whether
it's
a
minute,
a
second
whatever
that
is
they're,
not
paying
attention
to
their
duties,
our
officers
are
dealing
with.
You
know
life
scenario,
issues
that
can,
you
know,
be
catching
traffic.
If
somebody
is
just
paying
attention
to
a
text,
message
or
gossiping
about
something
that
can
put
the
lives
of
our
community
at
jeopardy.
E
And
thank
you
for
that
and
just
to
be
clear
in
captain
mesmer's
summary
and
his
disposition.
He
didn't
state
any
specific
rationale
behind
his,
not
sustaining
1204
correct.
Did
anybody
see
that
other
than
him
saying
it
wasn't
sufficient?
He
didn't
see
sufficient
grounds
for
1204
and
therefore
it
was
not
sustained.
J
And
and
I'm
going
to
say
well,
I
didn't
see
it
differently.
The
reason
I
second,
the
motion
is
even
if
that
one
does
not
pass
and
the
other
three
we
accept
them
and
we
bifurcate
it
as
indicated
we
could
do
also.
It
was
stated
that
captain
mesmer
will
be
back
in
a
week
or
two,
and
so
perhaps
if
he
could
bring
that
one
back
to
us
with
some
explanation
and
give
us
more
of
the
details,
then
we'll
have
the
opportunity
to
move
forward
with
that
portion.
B
Even
though
the
motion
passes
make
notation
upon
captain
messer,
that's
my
return.
If
we
can
receive
some
type
of
more
elaboration
in
reference
to
why
he
did
not
sustain
1204
of
case
2
1f-001
be
greatly
appreciated.
B
B
G
Good
evening
board
members
kamaria
pedesnackle
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
the
board
at
the
last
meeting,
may
24th
meeting
made
a
motion
to
have
a
discussion
regarding
a
pending
city
council
motion
regarding
whether
or
not
you
as
a
board
would
like
to
have
the
ability
to
hire
independent
counsel
and
the
ability
to
issue
subpoenas.
G
I
put
this
on
the
agenda
for
the
board
to
be
able
to
discuss
this
as
a
whole
as
a
body
and
at
the
end
of
your
discussion.
If
you
could
just
please
make
a
motion
regarding
what
the
board's
consistent
consensus
is
regarding
this
issue.
I
do
want
to
draw
to
your
attention
the
current
code
section
that
this
board
you
know,
abides
by
is
code
section
18-8,
specifically
18-8,
sub-section
h,
sub-section
6
refers
to
hiring
outside
counsel
the
ability
of
the
city
attorney's
office
to
hire
outside
counsel.
G
When
there
is
a
conflict
of
interest,
I
could
show
that
to
the
board,
but
it
is
what's
currently
in
the
code
that
you
have
that
the
city
attorney's
office
has
the
ability
to
engage
outside
counsel
for
the
provision
of
legal
advice
to
the
crp
on
matters
of
which
such
conflict
of
interest
exists.
G
So
with
that
the
board
is
open
to
discussing
this
pending
matter
before
city
council.
It
is
not
scheduled
yet
for
a
date
certain
for
that
item,
to
come
back
to
for
the
for
city
council
to
discuss
this
pending
motion.
But
I
would
like
to
have
this
motion
in
place
so
that
city,
when
it
does
come
back
before
city
council,
it
will
be
able
that
motion
will
be
able
to
be
provided
to
city
council.
E
Can
I
city
attorney,
can
I
ask
a
question
on
that
or
not
yes,
could
you
give
us
an
example
of
a
common
example
of
a
conflict
of
interest.
G
E
G
You
right
because
I
am
your
current
advisor,
so
if
I
have
a
conflict
of
interest
regarding
a
matter
that's
before
this
board,
the
city
attorney
has
the
ability,
through
this
code,
section
to
hire,
or
you
know,
outside
counsel,
to
address
or
advise
the
board
regarding
that
matter,.
G
I
I'm
just
I'm
just
outlining
what's
already
in
the
code,
but
I
understand
mr
irving,
what
you're,
what
you're
saying
someone
to
cover
someone
else
in
the
city
attorney's
office
to
cover?
I
I'm
just
again.
I
just
wanted
to
give
the
board
this
reference
to
the
code
section,
but
you
as
a
board
have
the
ability
to
discuss
whether
or
not
you
would
like
to
have
the
ability
to
hire
outside
counsel.
J
J
G
G
J
And
so
before
I
go
to
the
second
part
of
that
is,
do
we
understand?
Did
we
hear
anything?
Was
the
city
council
able
to
discuss
it
at
all,
so
we
can
understand
the
rationale
why
that
is
now
being
added,
because
I
think
the
city
council
afforded
us
this
opportunity
number
six.
Now
that
was
not
previously.
There.
J
J
G
You
mean
regarding
the
regular
issue,
the
the
issue
overall
of.
Why
is
it
pending?
This
was
brought
up
to
be
included
in
the
workshop
to
discuss.
You
know
whether
or
not
it
was
a
motion
made
by
a
council
member,
and
it
was
just
whether
or
not
the
board
wanted
to
have
outside
counsel.
This
is
your
first
opportunity
if
you've
had
as
a
board
to
be
able
to
discuss
that
as
a
board
on
whether
or
not
you
do
want
to
have
outside
counsel.
I
I
Before
I
know
it's
a
little
confusing,
we
currently
have
the
opportunity
to
have
an
independent
council.
If
we
see
there's
a
conflict
and
the
conflict
could
be
not
with
you,
but
with
the
city.
You
know.
If
we
were
looking
at
something
and
the
city
had
a
different
idea,
I
mean
there's
all
kinds
of
things
that
can
be
conflict
of
interest,
but
this
we
currently
have
the
opportunity.
I
This
is
saying-
and
you
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong-
that
we
would
have
independent
counsel
with
us
rather
than
a
city
attorney
and
which
I
have
heartburn
with
by
the
way
spending
city
dollars
to
give
us
an
independent
council.
We
have
the
opportunity
if
we
see
that
there's
a
need,
we
can
ask
for
an
independent
council,
so
this
is
changing
that
not
the
current
the
current
statute.
We're
under
says
that
we
have
the
opportunity
to
have
an
independent
council.
I
You,
I
think
we,
you
need
an
independent
counsel
for
this,
so
we
have
that
opportunity
already.
So
for
me,
this
is.
This
is
a
a
hard
stop.
Also,
the
ability
to
issue
subpoenas
is
a
hard
stop
for
me,
so
I
just
got
that
out.
Thanks.
K
G
So
if
it's
the
pleasure
of
the
board
with
a
motion
approved
to
have
outside
counsel,
we
would
first
bring
that
back
to
city
council
to
let
city
council
know
that
it
is
the
pleasure
of
the
board
to
have
independent
council.
There
is
a
process
in
place
to
determine,
or
you
know,
go
through
the
cri.
You
know
determine
who
could
be
your
independent
counsel?
That's
that's
separate
from
the
board,
but
there
is
a
process
in
place
in
order
to
make
that
determination.
G
But
first
to
address
the
motion:
that's
spending
before
city
council.
We
will
report
back
that
the
board.
If
it's
the
board's
pleasure
to
have
independent
council.
It
is
the
board's
pleasure
to
have
independent
council
we'll
let
city
council
know
and
then
we'll
go.
Take
steps
to
to
engage
that
that
independent
council.
B
Now
I
also
would
like
to
note
this
has
been
an
ongoing
issue,
even
during
the
developments
of
the
current
adopted,
a
demon
that
we
performed
under
this
topic
has
came
up
before,
so
there
were
several
workshops,
discussions
and
things
of
that
nature
to
get
to
where
we
are
today.
B
So
as
to
piggyback
off
of
what
dr
collins
mentioned,
what
was
now
different
that
we
are
readdressing
or
now
having
the
opportunity
after
the
horse
is
already
carrying
the
carriage
so
to
speak,
but
opportunity
is
opportunity,
so
we
can
now
take
advantage,
but
obviously
our
voice
will
have.
You
know
some
meaning
to
it
at
this
point,
where
things
change
and
things
of
that
nature.
So
again,
we
are
being
blessed
with
the
opportunity
to
open
up
a
discussion
in
reference
to
how
we
see
the
board
fit
and
moving
forward
if
it's
necessary.
B
I
Can
I
interject
just
one
thing:
the
question
is
not
whether
we
could,
sometime
at
our
pleasure,
ask
for
an
independent
council
what's
in
front
of
council,
is
that
we
would
want
an
independent
council
to
be
here
all
the
time
in
place
of
our
city
attorney.
That
is
what
is
before
the
council,
so
that
I
mean
that
is.
I
think
it
gets
a
little
confusing
and
I
don't
want
us
to
vote
on
something
that
we
don't
understand,
because
we
have
seen
city
attorneys.
I
They
are
our
council
for
this
board.
The
what's
in
front
of
the
city
council
right
now
is
to
remove
them
and
have
an
independent
council
be
our
our
attorney
and
I
will
interject
my
opinion
is.
It
is
not
necessary
to
do
that.
We
have
been
served
very
well
by
the
by
the
attorneys
that
we've
had
serving
us
from
the
very
beginning,
and
I
don't
believe
there
was
any
incident
that
I
can
remember,
and
some
of
you
have
been
on
the
board
as
long
as
I
have
where
we
had.
I
E
I
think
to
piggyback
on
to
that.
That
was
my
innate
comment,
my
innate
concern,
if
you
will,
because
I
also
felt
that
at
least
organizationally
you
have
your
role
to
play
and
at
least
from
where
I'm
sitting
I
didn't
see
any
conflict
of
interest,
which
is
why
I
it
prompted
me
to
ask
you
that
question.
Can
you
give
us
an
idea
of
what
do
you
mean
by
conflict
of
interest,
because
I
quite
honestly
I
didn't
see
it,
and
I
also
agree
with
my
board
member
here
about
fiscal
responsibilities
as
well.
E
J
I
J
And
I
usually
see
our
governance
because
I
don't
know
what
it's
going
to
actually
be
called,
but
when
the
new
one
was
written
and
city
council
passed
it
and
we
bought
new
members
on
it,
then
afforded
this
board
the
opportunity
to
continue
the
relationship
we've
had
with
legal
counsel
from
the
city
and
if
we
had
a
conflict
of
interest,
if
we
had
a
a
disagreement
that
we
couldn't
come
to
together
on
now,
we
already
have
an
option
to
go
outside
and
get
other
council.
That
is
correct,
correct.
G
J
J
Do
we
have
any
idea
why
they're
discussing
it
and
if
the
discussion
is
because
we
really
do
not
have
it?
It
is
it's
it's
incumbent
for
us
to
understand
that
we
can
or
we
cannot
and
it's
in
the
right
now
today.
If
we
had
a
difference
of
opinion
and
we
made
a
motion
to
bring
in
outside
counsel,
then
you
we
would
give
that
to
you
and
you
would
carry
that
back
to.
G
City
to
the
city
attorney
and
to
city
council,
because
the
ordinance
will
have
to
be
changed
because,
right
now
the
ordinance
does
not
allow
it.
It
only
allows
this
board
or
the
city
attorney
to
hire
outside
counsel
when
there's
a
conflict
of
interest.
If
it's
the
pleasure
of
this
board
to
hire
an
outside
independent
council
period
to
represent
this
board,
then
I
would
bring
that
back
to
city
council
to
the
city
attorney.
We
would
start
that
process.
J
So
my
last
comment
on
it
and
then
I'll
hear
some
of
the
other
board
members:
I'm
not
ready
to
make
that
kind
of
vote.
I'm
agreeing
with
other
board
members.
However,
I
am
concerned
that
the
current
ordinance
that
we
have
now
does
not
allow
this
board
to
initiate
that
through
legal
counsel
with
the
city,
because
if
the
board
really
felt
that
I
don't
think
we
need
to
have
someone
else
sitting
in
here
and
somebody
paying
for
it.
J
I
think
we
could
use
that
money
more
wisely
to
do
something
else,
but
in
the
event
a
situation
occurred
and
we
felt
we
needed
it.
The
board
should
be
able
to
make
a
vote
pass
that
on
to
you
and
then
you
go
out
and
hire,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
the
board
does
not
have
that
level
of
power
and
that's
where
my
concern
is
right.
J
E
I
may
just
comment
on
that
too,
because
I
I'm
now
really
confused.
It
sounds
like
the
current
provisions
is
that
it's
the
authority
and
this
the
discretionary
authority
of
the
city
attorney
what
it
sounds
like.
What
our
motion
proposed
motion
here
is
is
for
us
to
decide
that
we
want
independent
counsel.
So
there's
like
a
step
missing
that
middle
step
to
me
and
the
middle
step
would
be
that
we
would
want
the
flexibility
and
the
discretionary
authority
to
if
the
circumstances
dictate
to
request
independent
counsel-
and
I
think
that's.
E
K
Here,
yes,
so,
is
that
what
we're
currently
operating
under
correct,
okay,.
B
K
D
J
K
G
F
K
What
we're
operating
under
under
six
allows
us
to
go
through
you.
If
we
see
a
conflict
through
a
motion
to
then
asked
them
to
hire
an
independent
counselor
for
us,
they.
E
G
D
A
K
G
K
So
yeah,
if
what
I'm
trying
to
discover
is
if
we
make
a
motion,
what
happens
to
that
motion?
Does
the
city
attorney's
office
have
the
ability
to
review
the
motion
and
say
no,
or
does
it
go
to
the
city
city.
G
K
A
I'm
understanding
this
correctly.
Based
on
what
I
read,
that's
what
I
appreciate
you
putting
this
on
the
agenda
and
having
this
discussion
and
hearing
my
fellow
board
members,
I
interpreted
that
the
discussion
for
the
workshop
is
to
have
the
community
vote
on
having
the
council
or
the
board,
have
an
attorney.
A
private
attorney.
Is
that
accurate?
By
by
what
I
read.
A
What
I
read
regarding
the
workshop
I
was
going
to
take
regarding
this
topic
was
that
they're
going
to
have
a
discussion?
The
council
was
in
regards
to
the
community
voting
on
the
matter,
as
it
relates
to
this
topic,
giving
the
community
a
a
form
of
voting
when
it
comes
to
november
two
elections.
If.
G
A
I
kind
of
lean
to
the
other
direction,
where
I
feel
that
we
should
have
an
independent
attorney.
I
with
no,
you
know
disrespect
to
our
current
attorneys.
I
know
that
you
guys
are
doing
a
fabulous
job,
but
we
also
need
to
take
consideration.
The
pulse
of
the
community
80
of
our
community
says
that
they
are
in
agreement
that
we
should
have
a
private
attorney
and
part
of
our
role
is
to
be
able
to
build
trust
within
the
community
and
any
percent.
A
That
data
is
coming
from
aclu
an
article
that
came
out
and
creativeloaf
thing
that
also
put
out
an
article
on
this
matter.
So
I
feel
that,
in
order
to
be
able
to
work
with
the
community
and
build
that
trust,
we
should
be
in
alignment
with
them
and
be
able
to
have
that
discussion
and
and
hopefully
see
it
at
the
ballot
and
let
the
community
decide
whether
they
want
to
have
it
on
the
ballot
for
discussion
or
not.
A
If
you
look
at
best
practices
throughout
throughout
the
the
nation,
best
practices
have
crbs
with
private
attorneys.
So
if
we
want
to
be
part
of
that
group
that
are
providing
best
practices
and
services,
I
would
recommend
that
that'll
be
the
direction
that
we
that
we
headed.
B
Obviously,
different
cities
have
different
templates
to
meet
their
concerns,
so
I
don't
want
to
follow
the
the
the
common
template
so
to
speak.
This
board
was
created
for
the
city
of
tampa
and
again
I
do
agree
with.
We
must
represent
the
the
community
as
well.
I
do
not
want
us
to
mirror
something:
that's
happening
down
in
dane
county
or
something
that's
happening
in
atlanta
georgia,
because
what's
important
is
that
we
reflect
the
concerns
of
the
people
here
in
the
city
of
tampa.
A
F
I'm
80
of
the
of
the
tampa
community
correct,
and
this
is
the
poll
that
was
conducted
by
the
aclu
correct
with
the
you
know,
what
kind
of
volume
I
just
how
many
people
were
were
pulled.
K
B
In
defense
of
mr
valadez,
we
do
have
scheduled
and
we
have
performed
in
the
past,
our
own
community
survey
and
typically
we
take
that
data
that
we
put
a
lot
of
energy
and
hours
into,
and
we
use
that
as
our
data
and
moving
forward
and
the
past
survey
that
we
conducted,
we've
received
a
lot
of
various
agendas
from
that
from
that
particular
data
and
set
up
our
format
and
moving
forward.
So
I'm
not
sure
and
that
we
continue
discussion.
B
But
I'm
not
sure
if
we're
going
to
be
able
to
come
to
an
agreement
tonight
in
reference
to
this,
this
particular
option.
But
we
can
continue
well.
I
Mr
guy,
I
would
just
have
to
say
this:
we
are
sitting
up
here.
We
have
a
lot
of
data,
we
kind
of
understand.
What's
going
on,
what
was
the
question
on
this
poll?
You
know:
do
you
think
that
the
crb
should
have
a
public
attorney?
I
don't
a
private
attorney.
I
don't
know
what
the
poll
said
and
you
know
I've
done.
I've
worked
with
polling
and
I
can
tell
you
polling
is
not
always
correct.
It
is.
I
It
is
based
on
how
the
question
is
asked
and
where
you
ask
the
question,
so
I
would
just
caution
you
that
it
depends
on
what
what
they
ask
and
a
lot
of
people.
I
mean
if
you
weren't
sitting
here,
would
you
really
know
I
mean
I
wouldn't
really
have
too
much
of
a
concept
if
they
asked
me
that
question
I
would
go.
Oh.
That
sounds
like
a
great
idea.
You
know,
so
I
just
would
caution
you
with
polls.
I
know
everybody
loves
them.
I
ran
for
office.
The
poll
said
I
was
going
to
win.
B
And,
and
in
addition,
this
is
a
two-part,
you
know
questions
or
options,
but
we
have
yet
to
discuss
the
the
elephant
in
the
room
in
reference
to
the
ability
to
issue
subpoenas.
It's
been
an
ongoing
issue.
It's
been
addressed
on
on
various
numerous
occasions,
but
it
seems
to
still
manage
this
way
on
our
agenda
tonight.
So
this
is
something
that
I'm.
B
I
applaud
that
the
opportunity
is
out
there
to
hear
the
voice
of
the
crp,
so
this
let's
address
that
and
let's
either
move
forward
with
it
or
put
it
to
rest,
but
obviously,
by
appearing
on
our
agenda
tonight,
there
there's
there's
there's
there
needs
to
be
conclusion,
so
we
can
move
forward
as
a
united
front
and
get
this
issue
off
the
table
with
or
without
it.
Oh.
J
B
K
I
J
My
biggest
concern
is
that
we
do
not
want
to
send
a
negative
message
to
the
community
that
what
they
say
that
they
think
we
need
and
we
want
that
we
do
not
want
it.
At
the
same
time,
we
do
not
message
to
the
community
that,
because
they
say
we
need
it,
we
want
it.
I
think
it's
clear
for
me
to
know
what
is
pending
on
the
city
council's
docket
when
asked
last
month
to
have
this
discussion
come
up.
So
whenever
it
came
up
at
the
city
council,
we
would
have
had
an
opportunity
to
discuss
it.
J
We
didn't
say
we
would
make
a
decision.
We
wanted
to
have
an
opportunity
to
discuss
it
and
we've
discussed
it,
and
I
think
we
see
how
we're
all
over
the
place
and
I
think,
we're
all
over
the
place,
because
we
don't
know
exactly
as
you've
indicated
what
is
pending
on
city
council.
It
would
be
great
if
one
we
knew
when
city
council
was
going
to
put
this
back
on
their
agenda
to
give
us
adequate
time
to.
We
have
a
community
meeting
coming
up.
J
It'll
be
a
good
topic
to
have
further
discussion
at
the
next
meeting
and
number
three.
J
All
of
us
may
be
gone,
and
in
six
seven
years
there
may
be
a
need
and
we
would
have
closed
the
door
for
that
need
to
be
met.
So
I
just
think
that
we're
not
ready
to
make
a
decision,
because
we
don't
have
adequate
information,
I'd
like
to
keep
it
on
the
agenda
for
next
month's
meeting,
so
that
we
don't
just
sit
here
and
go
up
nauseam.
J
What
is
it
that
the
the
city
council
had
that
they
were
going
to
bring
up
and
that
other
one
ish
and
subpoena
I've
done
the
research
on
that
some
time
ago,
and
I
think
I
tried
to
do
the
stop
top
programs
and
I
bought
it
back
here
and
I
know
the
difficult
it
is
to
win
after
subpoenas.
But
I
personally
don't
think
we
are
ready
to
take
a
vote,
because
I
don't
want
us
to
say
no
to
something
that
maybe
we
want
to
say.
Can
we
modify.
G
Dr
collins,
if
I
may
mr
chair
I've
provided
to
this
board
the
pending
motion,
the
pending
item
before
city
council
there
is
that
that's
is
this.
Is
the
pending
motion
before
city
council
there's
no
other
information
to
provide
regarding
the
motion.
That
is
the
motion.
Whether
or
not
this
board
wants
to
have
the
ability,
discretion
to
hire
or
retain
independent
counsel.
I
don't
know
if
you
could
give
me
specific
information
on
what
you're
asking
what
you're
needing
what
what
additional
information
you
need
from
city
council,
I
I
would
have
to
go.
B
For
starters,
do
we
know
when
the
expected
vote
on
this
particular.
F
J
G
G
J
J
But
I'm
just
saying
you
would
have
to
carry
it,
you
would
carry
it
back
from
us
to
the
city
attorney
and
then
the
city
attorney
can
make
a
decision
and
if
they
made
that
decision-
and
you
brought
it
back
to
us
the
next
month
and
say
no
according
to
florida
bar
rules
and
the
city
ethic
laws
that
is
a
conflict
or
that
is
not
a
conflict.
And
then
this
board
should
ask.
Can
we
bring
an
independent
attorney
or
legal
counsel
and
just
to
handle
this
issue?
J
E
Madam
city
attorney
a
question
for
you
on
this
conflict
of
interest.
So
you
you
are
our
legal
representative
representative,
yes,
correct,
okay,
who,
in
addition
to
us
who
else
do
you
represent
legally.
G
E
H
E
Of
this
board,
what
do
we
do?
We
are
reviewing
policies
and
procedures
that
directly
impact
or
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
right.
The
tampa
police
department
right,
but
you
don't
have
anything
to
do
with
any
kind
of
representation
with
that
correct
that
we're
not
really
involved
in
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
this
whole
conflict
of
interest
thing
keeps
sticking
in
my
head
and
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
why
you're
not
appropriate
in
your
position.
I
G
G
E
A
A
So
the
attorney
is
representing
the
same
departments
and
the
city
where
the
police
department
and
all
the
other
entity
represents,
if
that
makes
sense
right
so
being
able
to
be
in
a
position
where
an
outside
counsel
can
provide
guidance
and
input
to
this
board
will
be
a
sole
neutral
position
versus
a
city
entity
body
led
by
a
police
chief
or
led
by
the
mayor.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
the
city
attorney
works
for
those
individuals,
so
the
representation
is
going
to
be
in
favor
of
the
city,
mayor
and
chief
of
police.
B
There's
been
a
lot
of
discussion,
correct
me
if,
if
I'm
mistaken,
but
I
believe
at
this
point,
is
anyone
willing
to
even
make
a
motion
in
regards
to
remember
two-part
question
independent.
I
H
Yes,
thank
you
chair
mike
schmidt,
and
I
I've
been
here
since
this
board
was
initially
started,
and
you
know
as
as
was
said
tonight.
I
am
a
legal
advisor
with
the
tampa
police
department.
H
I've
had
many
roles
within
the
city
of
tampa,
but
when
this
board
got
started
as
as
you
know,
chair
you've
been
here
too,
and
many
of
you
have
been
since
the
beginning
when
this
board
got
started
then,
and
today
there
is
one
thing
that
this
board
has
always
been:
it
is
the
citizens
review
board
for
the
tampa
police
department.
You
guys
have
always
provided
a
great
service
as
far
as
reviewing
policies.
H
This
has
never
been
set
up
as
a
adversarial
board.
This
has
always
been
a
board.
That's
supposed
to
benefit
the
tampa
police
department
as
such
since
the
very
beginning,
I
don't
remember
ever
having
any
sort
of
adversary
relationship
with
the
board.
I
don't
ever
remember
anybody
ever
claiming
that
there
was
a
conflict
of
interest
with
the
board.
Also,
we've
talked
about
subpoenas.
There's
never
been
a
need
for
subpoenas.
I
think
we've
always
shared
anything
that
this
board
wants
we're
going
to
bring
it
back
to
you.
H
You
ask
it
we're
going
to
figure
out
how
to
get
it
for
you.
I
don't
think
there's
ever
been
any
sort
of
allegations
that
there
has
been
any
resistance
by
the
department
to
provide
you
with
information
or
any
sort
of
conflict.
However,
as
we
know,
for
the
last
several
years,
there
has
been
a
lot
of
discussion
in
the
public
and
before
city
council
about
some
alleged
potential
conflict
of
interest.
H
Although
it's
never
been
established
or
shown,
city
council
went
ahead
and
changed
the
ordinance
to
allow
a
provision
to
make
sure
the
city
attorney
had
a
attorney
present.
Just
to
make
sure
that
that
you
know
there
wasn't
any
perceived
conflict,
understood
not
that
my
representation
ever
was
a
conflict
to
be
clear,
but
we
changed
the
perception
by
making
sure
that
there
was
a
city
attorney
who
did
not
work
within
the
tampa
police
department
or
provide
any
advice
to
tampa
police
department.
H
In
addition,
they
added
that
permission
that
if
there
is
a
conflict,
you
could
hire
outside
counsel.
So
we've
already
moved
the
balls
considerably,
even
though
there
was
no
ever
allegation
of
an
actual
conflict.
The
city
has
already
done
a
substantial
amount
to
alleviate
potential
concerns.
Now
going
to
the
engaging
outside
council
understand.
The
way
that
it
was
set
up
currently
is
conflict
of
interest
is
defined
by
state
or
city
ethics
laws.
Those
have
very
clear
something
guidance
to
follow,
so
we
have
an
ethics
code.
Somebody
owns
a
business.
H
You
can't
lobby
that
business
in
front
of
city
council.
There
are
all
sorts
of
lobbying
provisions,
there's
all
sorts
of
conflict
of
interest,
discussions
in
there
about
receiving
money
or
maybe
having
dual
roles
or
something
like
that.
There
is
plenty
of
guidance
in
the
city,
ethics
laws
and
the
state
ethics
laws.
In
addition,
it
says,
or
the
florida
bar
rules,
so
there
are
also
things
that
are
conflicts
of
interest
in
the
florida
bar
rules.
So
there
is
some
guidance
currently
on
what
is
considered
a
conflict
of
interest.
H
If
this
board-
and
I
would
you
know-
I
would-
I
would
suggest
we-
the
board-
consider
a
couple
of
things-
one.
The
motion
the
request
city
council
has
made
before
you
and
if
you
stick
with
that,
I
think
this
might
go
a
little
easier,
simply
answering
to
city
council
what
they
want
to
know,
which
is,
if
you
look
historically
for
the
last
two
years
for
several
years,
we
know
there's
been
voices
who
have
said
that
there
needs
to
be
independent
counsel.
H
The
question
really
before
you
is
your
chance
to
tell
city
council
whether
you
agree.
This
is
it.
This
is
your
chance
and
I
I
worry
if
you
belabor
it
too
much
if
we
string
this
out
for
three
months,
if
we,
you
may
miss
your
chance
right,
I
I
would
say
this
is
a
pretty
simple
question
that
you
should
know,
and
I
got
to
be
honest-
we've
all
known
this
for
years.
This
isn't
something
new.
We've
all
seen
the
media.
We've
all
seen
the
coverage.
H
The
question
is:
do
you
want
to
ask
city
council
for
independent
council
for
your
board?
If
you
want
independent
counsel,
then
this
is
your
chance
to
say
dear
board,
we
were
questing
respectfully
that
you
consider
independent,
getting
independent
counsel
for
this
board,
whether
that's
going
to
be
done
by
ordinance
or
whether
that
has
to
be
done
by
city
charter
that'll
be
figured
out
in
the
future,
but
right
now
we
just
want
to
know
by
motion.
Does
this
board
want
to
tell
city
council?
H
We
want
independent
council
for
this
board
and
if
you
do,
let
us
let
city
council
know
I
I
think,
I'm
a
little
concerned
by
over
complicating
this,
because
this
could
get
dragged
out
for
a
long
long
time,
as
we've
seen
it
dragged
out
in
front
of
the
city
for
a
long
long
time,
and
I
think
I'm
just
suggesting
that
maybe
you
consider
going
ahead
and
attempting
to
answer
this
tonight.
If,
whether
or
not
you
want
independent
counsel,
I
don't
I
don't
know
it's
that
complicated
of
a
question
for
this
board.
I
hope
it's
not.
F
F
H
H
There
is
still
some
discussions,
though,
whether
or
not
there
needs
to
be
independent
council,
as
as
mr
valdez
says,
there
has
been
some
some
public
support
for
the
idea
that
this
board
still
needs
independent
counsel
and
if
that
you've
got
to
remember
the
city
attorney
has
explained
to
city
council
about
her
right
to
decide
when
to
hire
city.
I
don't
think
the
city's
resistant
to
anything
the
city
and
city
council
just
want
to
know
what
your
opinion
is.
H
B
H
I'm
basing
this
off
of
the
years
that
I've
watched
this
matter
come
before
city
council
and
whether
it
needs
to
be
in
the
charter
and
whether
I'm
telling
you
the
question
before
the
board.
Sometimes
these
motions
don't
get
drafted
as
clear
as
the
discussion
really
has
been.
I'm
telling
you
with
pretty
certainty
in
my
opinion
here
that
what
they
want
to
know
is.
H
Does
this
board
want
independent
council
period
outside
and
and
100
independent
council,
meaning
this
the
city
hires
a
separate
attorney
to
sit
before
this
board
to
answer
questions
for
this
board
and
that's
what
they
want
to
know?
It
wouldn't
be
city
staff
anymore
sitting
here
it
would
be
an
independent
outside
counsel,
not
from
the
city
attorney's
office.
That
is,
is
what
they
want
to
know
from
you.
H
See
I'm
just
council
member,
I'm
telling
you
we've
read
them.
We've
read
the
motion
several
times
and
I
admit
that
there
is
a
little
provision
here
that
we've
said
or
retained,
but
I'm
telling
you
I've
watched
city
council
I've
seen
that
there
was
a
proposal
for
a
charter
amendment
on
this
issue.
The
real
question
they're
trying
to
get
at
is:
do
you
want
independent
counsel
outside
of
the
city
attorney's
office
full-time?
Now,
if
you
want
to
full-time,
you
just
said.
J
H
I'm
saying
like
you
could
also
make
several
motions
if
you
want,
you
could,
in
theory
make
this
as
I
hate
to
say
as
complicated
as
you
want,
but
you
know
first
vote
on
emotion.
Do
we
want
full-time,
independent
counsel,
yes
or
no
make
that
simple
motion?
Then?
If
somebody
wants
to
make
another
motion
well,
we
want
to
recommend
to
them
something
else.
H
That's
your
your
discretion!
Anything
you
guys
want
to
tell
city
council
about
this
issue.
I
think
this
is
your
chance,
but
I
would
certainly
at
least
address
full-time,
independent
counsel,
because
I
think,
if
you
don't
keep
that
motion
simple
and
and
keep
that
vote
clear,
it's
going
to
really
muddy
the
waters.
So
I
would
suggest
the
very
first
motion
is
simply
to
decide.
Do
you
want
full
time
independent
counsel,
yes
or
no
I'll,
make
sure
you've
added
full.
A
I
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
chair
that
we
decide
tonight
that
we
do
not
want
an
independent
council.
That's
my
motion.
Second,.
I
J
J
B
B
We
can
continue
with
the
vote
any
other
further
discussion
or
questions
in
reference
to
the
motion
on
the
floor,
not
meaning
that
that
is,
we
can
add
any
additional
motions.
But
at
this
moment
there
is
a
motion
on
the
floor.
It
has
been
second
any
discussion,
a
question
upon
the
motion.
That's
on
the
toilet.
B
C
G
Well,
if
the,
if
the
board
thinks
that
there's
a
conflict
of
interest
regarding
an
item-
and
you
want
to
make
a
motion
for
the
city
attorney
to
to
investigate
hiring
an
independent
council
for
a
conflict
of
interest,
I'm
sure
I
could
take
that
to
the
city
attorney.
But
regarding
a
conflict
of
interest.
J
One
one
one
thing
on
the
motion:
I'm
sorry,
mr
secretary,
we'll
make
sure
that
this
is
spelt
out
clear
in
the
minutes,
so
that
in
the
event
we
come
back
to
approve
these
minutes
next
month,
and
there
is
any
way
we
find
something
different
that
this
discussion,
not
all
of
it
in
detail.
But
a
portion
of
this
be
clearly
listed
as
to
why
this
motion
surfaced.
G
J
And
I
want
this
summarize
because
oftentimes
it's
not
the
the
the
minutes
is,
we
will
discuss
something
and
it
will
be
listed
without
the
rationale
or
the
discussion
that
went
along
with
it,
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
a
sentence
or
two
that
clearly
understand,
because
I'm
under
the
impression
we're
going
to
stick
with
what
we
are
where
we
are
now
with
number
six
in
our
current
ordinance
that
we're
then
saying
to
the
city
council.
No,
we
don't
want
any
changes
and
then
the
third
big
piece
about
that.
J
G
G
B
G
B
G
J
C
J
I'm
not
gonna
bother
with
that.
I'm
gonna
leave
that
alone.
It
may
come
back
next
month
before
we
approve
it
in
the
minutes,
but
I'm
gonna
also
ask
that
we
do
not
deal
with
issuing
a
subpoena
at
this
time,
because
if
we
have
the
same
30
minutes
discussion
that
we
just
had
we'll
be
here
for
a
while,
and
I
still
think
we
need
to
go
and
take
a
look
at
something
on
issuance
appearance-
I'm
not
particularly
forward
or
against
it.
J
J
No,
no,
it
wasn't
a
motion.
I
was
asking
because
we
don't.
We
have
not
taken
the
time
to
discuss
the
board's
ability
to
issue
subpoenas
the
way
we
did
with
independent
councils
that
we
not
discuss
that
one
tonight.
We
move
that
to
the
agenda
to
next
month.
So
I
make
a
motion
that
we
table
it
for
next
month's
meeting,
where
they
get
second
or
not.
There's.
B
A
motion
on
the
floor
to
table
the
discussion
in
reference
to
the
ability
to
issue
subpoenas.
Do
I
have
a
second
second?
B
Colonel
reyes
has
second
the
motion
to
table
the
ability,
the
discussion
of
the
ability
to
issue
subpoenas
any
questions
or
statements
or
discussions.
The
reference
to
the
motion
on
the
floor
here
and
now
can
we
move
forward
with
the
vote
in
reference
to
the
motion
on
the
floor,
to
table
the
discussion
of
the
ability
to
issue
subpoenas
for
next
month's
agenda?
G
We'll
just
since
it's
a
title
we'll
just
as
a
caution
just
take
it
to
the
next
agenda.
B
B
I
B
E
B
I
J
And
I
submitted
18
different
citizen
review
boards
across
the
country
about
about
five
years
ago.
I
think
almost
and
I'm
sure
that
there
are
many
more
out
there
and
they
tell
you
that
most
of
them,
when
they
don't
get
it
most
of
them,
do
not
start
with
it
and
etc.
And
that
is
a
good
place
to
go.
Google
and
look
at
them,
and
I
bought
it
here,
and
it
was
about
five
pages.
B
Okay,
we'll
continue
with
the
agenda.
Any
items
continue,
there
are
no
items,
continued
continue
with
the
agenda
and
reference
to
announcements
and
new
business.
The
next
meeting,
scheduled
for
july
26
of
2022,
is
scheduled
at
the
jan
platt
library,
3910,
south
manhattan
avenue.
G
Mr
chair,
if
I
may
kamari
pedestal
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
the
the
I
will
provide
like
an
announcement
sheet
just
like
I
did
for
public
notice
that
the
the
meeting
will
take
place
at
the
jan
platt
library.
I
will
provide
that
public
notice
to
the
board
and
the
board
can
assist
with
spreading
the
word,
but
this
is
councilman.
Carlson's
district
I've
been
working
with
his
legislative
aide
regarding
scheduling
this
meeting,
so
I
will
work
with
the
legi
her.
G
I
will
work
with
her
to
also
use
that
same
public
notice
for
councilman
carlson
to
also
disseminate,
or
you
know,
spread
the
word
that
the
the
the
meeting
will
take
place
at
the
jam
play
library.
G
J
G
J
For
media
who
tell
us
they
needed
to
participate-
and
I
was
just
saying
for
media
who
tell
us
they
need
a
two
weeks
notice,
so
we
will
have
it.
I.
J
G
I'll
make
sure
it
gets
it
gets
done.
I
do
just
miss.
If
I
can.
Mr
chair,
I
I
do
have
a
signed
notice
from
the
tampa
city
council.
Regarding
the
2021
annual
report.
It's
a
notice
certifying
that
city
council
received
and
reviewed
the
2020
2021
annual
report.
I
just
like
to
put
that
on
the
record
and
file
it
with
the
clerk.
B
Board
members,
if,
for
any
reason,
you're
unable
to
attend
the
next
meeting,
please
notify
our
city
clerk,
ms
tony
wilcox,
at
least
48
hours
in
advance,
so
we
can
ensure
a
voting
form
before
I
adjourn
this
meeting,
I
would
like
to
give
any
of
our
board
members
the
opportunity
to
add
any
final
comments
or
statements
at
this
time.
G
I
just
I'm
sorry
thank
you
for
reminding
me.
The
email
that
was
that
I
provided
was
is
an
email
that
was
sent
to
the
citizens
report,
email
account
and
it
was
sent
after
we
had
the
meeting.
So
I
wanted
to
print
it
out
and
to
provide
it.
I
don't
know
that
you
have
to
do
anything,
I'm
just
informing
you
that
that
was
an
email
that
was
sent
to
the
account.
A
Can
we
have
it
on
the
agenda
for
next
meeting
and
we'll
read
it
and
if
there's
anything
that
we
don't
have
to
discuss,
we
can
just
say
we
don't
have
nothing
to
discuss
or
how
can
we
go
about?
We
want
to
discuss
something
because
I
don't
know
we
don't
know
what's
on
on
this,
so
there's
something
it
was
addressed
to
us
whether
it
was
meant
for
us
or
not.
No,
it
is.
A
C
B
So,
there's
a
motion
on
the
floor
to
have
the
opportunity
to
review
the
material
that
was
presented
to
us
tonight
and
referenced
in
the
crb
email
account.
We
have
a
second
we'll
continue
with
the
vote.
All
those
in
favor
of
tabling
such
information
give
you
time
to
have
this
in
next
month's
discussion.
B
F
Chairman
mr
tamayo,
mr
chairman,
in
light
of
the
school
shootings
in
texas
and
other
schools
throughout
the
country,
there's
of
course
some
public
concern
anxiety,
I'm
sure,
with
many
parents
in
the
city
of
the
city
of
tampa,
I
was
wondering
if
we
can
have
a
an
update
from
the
tampa
police
department
at
our
next
meeting
on
what
tpd's
protocols
are
in
our
public
schools
concerning
safety.
F
You
know
the
tpd
presence
in
our
public
schools,
the
cooperation
with
the
hillsborough
county
school
system.
I
know
the
sheriff's
sheriff's
office,
I'm
sure,
has
jurisdiction
over
all
the
hillsborough
county
schools
outside
of
the
city
limits,
but
I'm
assuming
that
the
overwhelming
majority
of
our
hillsborough
county
schools
inside
of
tampa
are
staffed
with
tampa
police
officers.
F
So
we
just
have
a
just
an
update
on
what
the
current
protocols
are
for
our
for
our
parents
before
we
start
the
next
school
year
that
that
would
be
good
to
know
at
the
at
the
end
of
the
june
meeting
a
july
meeting.
Sorry
thank.
A
B
For
that,
I
definitely
believe
that
is
of
community
importance.
I
believe
we
can,
if
there's
a
second
on
that
particular
motion,
it
will
be
available
under
item
eight
community
in
tampa
police
department
matters.
B
E
B
On
the
floor,
did
I
get
a
second?
Yes,
I
heard
I
just
didn't
just
didn't
see
it.
Mr
colonel
reyes
has
second
the
motion
any
any
questions.
I.
A
Just
represented
not
questions,
but
I
would
also
like
to
ask
to
see
if
we
can
get
data
as
it
relates
to
gun
incidents
with
the
city
of
tampa.
To
just
have
that
information
as
well
or
next
board.
Meeting.
B
All
those
in
favor
adding
the
protocol
of
prevention
in
reference
to
making
our
schools
safe
for
the
upcoming
school
term
under
item
eight
community
tablet.
Police
department
matters,
please
show
by
reason
here
in
the
opposed.
Please
show
by
raising
hand
that
motion
passes.
Thank
you,
mr
tamayo.
Now
mr
valdes.
A
In
general,
just
statistics,
okay,
so
60
shootings
have
happened
or
60
crime
related
or
deaths
have
happened
like
nothing.
You
know
specific,
but
just
numbers
assisting
us
to
where
we
are
year.
To
date.
That's.
G
A
Sure
so,
general
information
I'll
make
a
motion
that
we
can
have
information,
as
it
relates
to
statistics
and
data
on
year
to
date,
as
it
relates
to
gun
violence,
whether
it's,
how
many
deaths
we've
had
for
that's
what
we've
had
for
the
year
or
how
many
crime
or
armed
related
crime
has
has
occurred.
Would
you
well
miss.
B
I
B
B
B
J
Have
a
an
item
that
was
supposed
to
be
brought
back,
and
I
think
this
is
captain
messner
and
he
was
supposed
to
bring
it
back
when
he
come
he'd.
Ask
us
delay
it
for
two
months
and
since
we've
added
all
these
on
the
agenda,
I
I
didn't
bring
my
old
notebook
with
me.
I
don't
know
what
it
is,
but
if
that's
going
to
still
be
on
the
agenda
he's
just
coming
back.
If
we
need
to
modify
that,
I
would
indicate
mr
chair
if
you
could
work
with
him
on
that
item,
whatever
it.
A
Is
so
to
recollect
everyone's
mind,
it
was
information
regarding
the
behavior
discipline
matrix
that
we
discussed
back
in
february.
I
want
to
say
so.
He
was
supposed
to
go.
Do
some
research
and
provide
us
information
with
how
does
the
behavior
matrix
correlate
to
what
the
department
currently
has
yeah.
B
A
Can
definitely
leave
that
for
september
if
it
means
yeah.