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A
E
E
Good
morning,
commissioners,
elaine
lund,
with
the
historic
preservation
commission
staff,
I'm
here
this
morning
and
with
me
also
from
staff,
is
beverly
dusak
and
kamaria
pettis
mackel
from
legal.
That
concludes
the
in
the
portion
of
announcements
and
with
that
we
can
move
into
conflict
of
interest
in
ex
parte
communication.
C
Good
morning
kamaria
perez
mackel
from
the
city
attorney's
office.
Will
the
commissioners
please
state
whether
or
not
they
have
any
conflicts
of
interest
regarding
any
of
the
items
that
are
listed
on
the
agenda
hearing,
none
for
the
record.
Additionally,
will
the
commissioners
please
state
whether
or
not
they've
had
any
ex
parte
communication
regarding
any
of
the
items
listed
on
the
agenda
hearing,
none
for
the
record
as
well.
Thank
you.
A
So
we
are
now
on
item
seven
of
the
agenda.
Elaine,
you
will
be
making
the
presentation.
Yes,
this
is
the
matter
at
2114,
west
chaton
avenue
in
the
hyde
park
district
redesignation
as
a
contributing
structure.
E
E
E
This
is
the
subject
site
now,
as
it
sits
at
its
its
new
cider,
its
receiving
site
at
2114,
west
chaton
avenue
the
original
site
for
this
structure
was
1226
south
howard
avenue.
E
So
you
can
see
here
on
the
historic
district
map,
the
original
site,
with
the
where
the
arrow
was
pointing
the
red
arrow
was
pointing
and
then
the
relocation
site
in
green
this
map
is
was
last
updated.
I
believe
in
2017,
so
you'll
note
that
where
the
green
arrow
is
pointing
there
was
a
building
previously
there.
However,
it
was
a
non-contributing
structure
and
had
was
demolished
prior
to
the
relocation.
E
E
The
red,
the
red
line,
that
sort
of
runs
across
the
diagonally
across
the
top
left
and
down
the
on
the
left
side.
There
is
the
outline
of
the
local
historic
district,
and
then
this
is
the
present
day,
ariel,
showing
again
the
receiving
site
in
green
and
the
original
site
in
red.
E
E
And
these
are
the
photos
from
the
the
receiving
side
of
the
relocation
site
following
the
rehabilitation
work
that
had
taken
place,
the
front
porch
was
reopened.
The
windows
were
replaced
with
appropriate.
E
B
E
There
was
a
planned
development
site
plan
reviewed
by
the
architectural
review,
commission
and
rec,
and
it
was
recommended
to
city
council
which
approved
in
a
may
16
2019,
so
that
rezoning
rez
19-23
takes
care
of
the
criteria
for
the
the
site
plan
and
the
recommendation
for
it
was
reviewed
by
the
arc.
So
they
found
that
it
was
a
appropriate
relocation
site
and
the
actual
relocation
itself.
E
E
Historic
district,
therefore,
staff
recommends
approval
of
the
redesignation
of
the
property
as
a
contributing
structure
in
the
historic
district
and
also
recommends
the
amendment
of
the
hyde
park.
Historic
district
building
inventory
with
that
I'm
available.
If
you
have
any
questions
the
agent
for
the
applicant
is
also
here
this
morning,.
A
E
Hi
kim
hedland
wilder
architecture-
I
am
here
just
in
support
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
regarding
this
application,
as
stated,
I
think
we've
been
through
two
concurrent
and
then
a
separate
arc
hearing
for
the
pd,
the
relocation
and
then
the
rehabilitation,
and
if
you
have
any
questions,
I'm
here
to
answer
them.
Thank
you.
C
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
include
2114
west
chaton
avenue
as
a
contributing
structure
in
the
hyde
park,
historic
district,
because
it
meets
the
application
criteria
of
section
27
261
and
the
criteria
found
in
the
national
register
bulletin
15
as
a
historic
resource
that
maintains
the
character
and
integrity
of
the
hyde
park.
Historic
district,
specifically
the
applicable
designation
criteria,
a
and
c.
C
E
Thank
you
again,
elaine
lund,
historic
preservation,
commission
staff.
This
morning
we
have
for
you
a
discussion
and
a
brief
update
regarding
the
update
of
the
ybor
city,
historic
district
design
standards.
E
So
on
your
screens,
you
should
be
seeing
the
presentation
here.
So
the
historic
preservation
commission,
as
you
well
know,
has
a
few
key
roles.
It
determines
the
significance
of
unprotected
historic
resources
in
one
way
by
changing
the
status
of
structures
within
historic
districts,
as
we
just
did
with
the
last
item
on
the
agenda.
E
Additionally,
it
forwards
recommendations
to
city
council
for
local
landmarks,
multiple
property
designations
and
local
historic
districts,
and
the
one
thing
that,
in
addition
to
that
work,
that
this
board
is
charged
with
is
developing
the
design
standards
for
local
historic
districts
and
updating
them
periodically.
E
It
looks
at
different
different
aspects
of
work
in
the
in
the
igbor
city,
historic
district,
including
new
construction
additions,
exterior
alterations,
relocations,
demolitions,
variances
and
land
use
changes.
E
The
ybor
city,
historic
district
has
a
period
of
significance
from
1886,
which
is
the
date
of
the
earliest
building
constructed
in
the
historic
district
through
1940..
This
was
listed
as
a
national
register.
Historic
district,
the
downtown
core
area
of
it,
was
in
1974
and
it
was
expanded
as
a
national
historic
landmark
district
in
1990
ybor
city
has
had
local
historic
district
status
since
1975,
and
that
area.
E
What
was
at
that
time,
the
area
from
about
columbus
drive
on
the
north
4th
avenue
on
the
south
nebraska
avenue
on
the
west
and
22nd
street
on
the
east?
It
has
been
expanded
by
local
ordinance
a
few
times
since
then,
and
now
reaches
as
far
north
as
21st
street
sorry
21st
avenue.
On
the
north
side.
On
the
northwest
side,
the
district
encompasses
about
600
acres,
which
is
approximately
1700
buildings,
and
about
69
of
them
are
contributing,
which
is
a
pretty
good,
pretty
high
percentage
for
a
local
historic
district.
E
To
discuss
with
you
today
excuse
me
that
are
that
are
kind
of
typical
requests,
but
that
are
not
adequately
addressed
in
the
design
guidelines
as
they
currently
are
today.
E
Guidelines
so
the
the
typical
materials
that
we
see
on
roofs
in
ybor
city.
These
days
we
see
some
historic
roofs
still
in
the
picture
on
the
left.
The
second
house
in
is
a
picture
of
a
corrugated
metal
roof.
On
the
right
side.
You
can
see
a
picture
of
a
stamped
metal
roof.
E
E
Standing
seam
metal,
roofs
such
as
the
one
on
the
ebor
city
parking
garage
here,
the
noriega
parking
garage
are
typically
a
high
profile
standing
seam.
They
can
be
up
to
two
or
more
inches
high,
which
is
sort
of
a
you
know.
The
scale
of
it
is
pretty
large
and
not
appropriate
for
residential
structures
on
the
right.
You
see
a
picture
of
a
new
construction.
E
E
So
as
we
go
through
each
topic
here,
we
appreciate
to
have
the
discussion
as
we
go
through
the
presentation,
rather
than
holding
it
to
the
end.
So
we've
given
you
a
couple
of
bullets
here
to
sort
of
spur
conversation,
and
one
of
those
is
one
of
the
questions
here
is:
should
certain
materials
and
types
of
roofing
be
identified
as
appropriate
or
inappropriate
for
residential
or
commercial
structures
and
should
roofing
be
limited
to
what
was
available
during
the
historic
district's
period
of
significance.
A
E
And
there's
always
discussion
when
a
roof
with
a
a
new
or
different
material
from
what
the
community
is
used
to
seeing,
there's
always
discussion
that
comes
up
regarding
whether
or
not
it's
appropriate
and
there's
always
differing
opinions
on
that
matter.
So
it's
useful
for
staff
when
attempting
to
enforce
the
design
guidelines
or
the
design
standards
to
be
able
to
point
to
something
specific
something
a
little
more
specific
than
similar
to
a
language
such
as
that
and
the
standards
to
be
able
to
help
determine
what
is
appropriate
and
what
is
inappropriate,
roofing
or
re-roofing.
C
Sorry
kamari
hippets
mackel
from
the
city
attorney's
office.
This
is
just
a
discussion.
There's
been
a
public
platform,
but
I
don't
know
if
they're.
A
Okay,
I
would
definitely
say
that
certain
material
that
the
materials
should
be
identified
as
appropriate
or
inappropriate,
and
I,
from
my
perspective,
that
as
you're
looking
I
mean
there
is
no
end
to
crazy
things
that
can
be
done
on
on
some
of
these
buildings,
so
I
would
definitely
suggest
that
that
be
included
as
a
as
something
that
should
be
added
to
the
to
the
guidelines.
Now
these
guidelines
are
really.
A
Condensed
as
opposed
to
what
we
used
to
have
to
deal
with
with
these
historic
districts-
and
I
don't
know
unless
they
are
more
prescriptive,
condensing
them,
I
think-
may
in
fact
limit
the
staff
to
not
have
as
much
flexibility
and
and
and
authority.
Quite
frankly
in
dealing
with
the
property
owners.
D
I
would
agree
with
that.
I
think
it
would
be
really
limiting
if
we
go
into
details
on
specifically
what
material
should
be
used
and
what
shouldn't
be
used
now,
the
historic
materials
at
the
time
that
would
be
difficult
for
owners
because,
like
the
availability
and
the
expense
of
like
the
older
materials
or
the
materials
that
were
original
to
the
structures
at
the
time,
I
actually
think
what's
written
in
the
guideline
now
is
appropriate.
The
only
thing
it
doesn't
want,
or
is
saying
it
doesn't
allow-
is
do
not
use
rolled
roofing
material.
D
I
mean,
do
not
alter
the
original
roof
line
and
it
just
looks
like
it's
something
about
maintaining
the
original
size
shape
of
the
dormers
and
then
it
goes
up
to
say
the
original
roof
materials
in
size,
texture
and
color.
Because
since
it's
a
roof
you
can't
you're,
not
gonna,
see
it,
you
only
can
see
it
from
the
curb.
So
it's
a
matter
of
okay:
does
the
material
represent
what
would
be
suitable
for
the
building
when
it
was
originally
built?
D
A
Well,
but
the
hindrances
have
to
be
taken
in
light
of
the
historic
district
and
maintaining
the
consistency
and
the
quality
of
the
materials
within
the
district,
and
we
have
seen
this
in
other
districts
as
well
that
sometimes
people
will
use
materials
that
are
not
appropriate.
So
if
the
barrio
has
the
ability
to
be
able
to
say
this
is
appropriate,
and
this
is
not
and
the
staff,
then
I
think
it
allows
a
greater
ability
for
the
staff
to
be
able
to
talk
about
roofing
because
roofing,
quite
frankly,
unless
the
rules
have
changed.
A
Roofing
is
one
of
those
things
that
can
be
dealt
with
at
the
staff
level,
buy
a
roofing
contractor
and
not
have
to
come
before
the
barrio
latino.
Unless
it's
a
part
of
a
larger
renovation
issue,
and-
and
I
do
think
that
not
allowing
this
doesn't
address.
Dimensional
shingles
at
all
in
the
draft
that's
being
proposed
and
dimensional
shingles
are
not
necessarily
a
bad
alternative
to
a
roofing
solution.
B
A
Under
everything
you
know
it's
not,
I
was
wondering,
but
I
can.
I
mean
of
course,
you've
seen
that,
as
you
know,
after
hurricane
events
and
so
on,
there
are
that's
a
temporary
solution,
but
it
should
certainly
never
be
a
permanent
solution,
but
I
don't
see
on
many
of
the
commercial
structures.
A
I
don't
see
anything
here
that
addresses
the
opportunity
for
a
flat
roof
solution,
and
I
guess
many
times
several
of
the
new
little
houses
that
have
gone
up
in
evor
have
had
flat
roofs
and-
and
it's
I
mean
I
realize
it's
a
contemporary,
more
contemporary
solution
as
far
as
residential
goes,
but
not
necessarily
as
far
as
commercial
goes.
C
I
do
want
to
add
to
I
do
agree.
I
do
believe
there
should
be,
I
guess,
some
type
of
structure,
because
I'm
looking
at
the
different
facades
like
the
doors
there
are
requirements
for
doors,
so
I
believe
there
should
also
be
requirements
for
the
roof
to
make
sure
that
when
those
structures
are
rehabbed,
you
want
to
make
sure
it
can
still
contribute.
And
if
you
have
that
you
know
in
this
in
these
guidelines,
I
think
it'll
be
necessary,
because
you
can
rehab
windows
doors
and
they
have
to
be
contributing
or
they
have
to.
C
They
have
to
be
the
original
doors
and
original
states
inside.
So
I
would
think
it
would
be
appropriate
for
the
roof
to
also
fall
into
those
guidelines,
because
you
don't
want
structures
that
have
you
know
the
same
type
of
color
texture.
A
A
I
think
it's
not,
I
think
a
staff
is
suggesting
it's
not
complete
enough.
If
you
take
a
look
at
page
39.
C
B
I
agree,
I
think
that
I
would
say
you
know
to
question
one:
should
we
have
materials
that
we
want
and
don't
want?
I
do
think
we
need
more
detail
on
that
and-
and
I
would
not
make
it
make
it
materials
that
were
only
available
in
their
era.
A
So
we
are
going
to
be
just
coming
to
consensus
and
making
suggestions
to
staff
to
take
back.
We
don't
have
to
vote
on
any
of
this
correct
good,
but
I
noticed
in
the
draft
that
that
section
we're
talking
about
right
right
now.
E
Commissioner
slag,
if
I
made
the
state
this
is
the
current
set
of
design
guidelines
for
ybor
city,
the
ones
that
have
been
that
were
adopted
in
2003.
So
this
is
not
not
the
proposed
draft
in
france.
This
is.
B
Ones
with
with
mr
o'leary's
historic
yeah,.
A
A
E
This
address
is
specifically
residential
buildings,
but
the
neighborhood
commercial
is,
you
know,
seen
as
the
the
small
smaller
shops
that
were
located.
You
know
every
okay,
a
few
blocks
in
smaller,
smaller
in
scale
than
the
major
commercial
buildings.
You
would
see
along
seventh
and
eighth
avenues.
B
E
It's
mostly
talks
about
the
the
parapets
and
decoration
along
them.
What's
behind
the
parapet
is
not
seen
so
that's
typically
not
been
an
issue
that
comes
up
very
often
when
we're
improving.
C
So
I
do
have
a
question
in
regards
to.
I
guess
these
current
guidelines
is
there
anything
in
regards
to
environment
safety,
because
I
know
some
of
the
older
routes
have
there
are
some
issues
with.
I
guess
contamination
is
that
anything
that's
going
to
be
added
to
the
guidelines.
C
A
A
E
Kind
of
as
an
example,
someone
along
those
lines,
these
current
design
guidelines
say
to
not
use
the
world
roofing
material,
but
that
is
not
something
that
would
be
allowable
anyway
under
the
current
building
code.
So
you
know
that
kind
of
makes
that
a
moot
and
that's
sort
of
an
example
of
how
these,
how
these
design
guidelines
really
need
to
be
updated.
D
E
So
what
we
see
what
we
see
a
lot
are
people
wanting
to
go
from.
I
guess
it's
a
couple
of
things:
one
people
who
have
a
metal
roof
on
their
house
currently,
whether
it's
you
know
as
the
original
historic
metal
roof
or
a
metal
roof
that
has
been
a
replacement
metal
roof
from
sometime
since
1940,
we'll
want
to
go
from
a
metal
roof
to
a
shingle
roof,
and
then
the
other
request
that
we
see
that
we
have
difficulty
with
at
staff
level.
Is
people
wanting
to
use
the
standing
seam
metal
roof?
E
That's
has
the
the
higher
profile
to
it.
That's
you
can
see
it
a
bit
in
this
picture,
but
the
it's
the
scale
of
it
is
a
little
more
appropriate
for
commercial
structures.
You
know
it's
a
larger,
larger
profile
higher
profile
than
you
would
see.
On
the
traditional
like
5b,
crimp
or
even
a
low
profile
standing
seam
roof.
There
are
standing
seam
roofs
that
have
a
only
a
one
inch
high
seam
and
most
most
standing
seam
material
for
commercial
structures
is
two
inches
or
greater.
So
you
know
we
do
have
that
that
come
up
another.
E
Issue
is
with
different
different
profiles,
so
there
are
not
just
the
the
v
crimps
or
the
standing
seam
profiles,
but
different.
Some
like
an
r
channel
roof,
it's
kind
of
difficult
to
explain,
but
some
people
will
request
that
and
it's
not
doesn't
have
a
profile.
That's
consistent
with
the
the
v
crimp.
It's
more
a
lot.
A
A
I
don't
see
barrel
tile,
roofs
in
here
anywhere,
unless
they
you
have
classified
that
if
that's
classified
under
the
commercial
section,
but
some
homes,
the
the
the
more
mediterranean
style
houses,
do
have
barrel
tile
in
their
roofing
and
barrel.
Tile
now
does
not
have
to
be
cement
anymore.
They
make
really
good
fiberglass
components
that
look
exactly
like
they
like
the
original,
concrete
tiles
and
again
it's
a
question
of
durability
and
and
cost
and
ease
of
installation.
A
E
Correct
and
to
that
point
and
the
our
design
guidelines
here,
it
states
that
tile
roofs
were
rarely
found
on
residential
structures,
but
with
the
expansion
of
the
historic
district
over
the
years.
I
believe
that
you
know
some
of
the
some
of
the
housing
types
are
more
varied.
Now
you
don't
just
see
the
shotgun
style
houses
and
a
few
bungalows,
but
you
will
also
find
some
of
those
other
other
styles
in
the
in
the
expanded
residential
areas.
So
I
think
that
is
a
good.
A
A
I
know
in
the
past,
things
like
phypon
have
not
been
allowed,
but
phypon
is
a
fiberglass
material
that
I
mean
doesn't
rot
and
it's
a
fiberglass
material.
Once
it's
painted
you
you'd
have
to
use
a
microscope
to
know
the
difference
between
it
and
a
piece
of
wood,
and
I
don't
I
don't.
Do
the
guidelines
actually
allow
for
do
these
guidelines
allow
for
those
kinds
of
substitute
materials
and
if
they
do
they,
if
it
is
allowed,
then
it
ought
to
be
prescripted
in
the
in
the
document
that
that
would
be
allowed.
A
A
Because
maintenance
is
always
a
problem
with
these
buildings
owners.
Don't
understand
that
wood
has
to
be
painted
every
five
years
in
order
for
it
to
last
yeah.
The
paint
materials
are
guaranteed,
but
but
the
wood
is
not,
and
if
any
water
gets
into
these
things,
they
they
disappear.
They
they
start
to
rot,
and
it's
not
just
that
they've
got
a
crack
in
them.
A
When
the
you
know,
when
the
historic
districts
were
first
created,
many
of
those
substitute
materials
were
not
there,
they
were
not
invented
yet
so
I
you
know
how
the
question
I
guess
is
going
to
be
is
how
absolutely
restrictive
or
absolutely
purest.
A
E
A
B
I'm
sorry,
that's
something
that
we'll
discuss
another
time.
These
you
know
using
alternate
materials.
E
You're
you're
you're
correct
commissioner
slogan.
Again,
I
think
that
kind
of
goes
to
how
the
you
know
what
we
see
there
is
that
the
district
has
been
expanded
and
we
see
more.
We
see
more
brick
and
the
bungalows
that
are
found
in
the
northern
portion
of
the
historic
district
than
in.
A
E
A
E
Topic,
if
we
yes,
if
you
would,
I
think
that
would
be
good
if
you're
suggesting
that
we
bring
that
back
as
a
specific
topic
for
discussion,
and
we
can
definitely
do
that.
Yeah.
A
Not
and
because
I
know-
and
I
should
I,
when
you
put
the
dolly
varden
siding
on
these-
you
know
here
any
of
these
sightings.
You
know
a
hardy
board,
which
is
used
extensively
in
hyde
park
and
seminole
heights
is
an
artificial
material.
It's
a
cementitious
material,
just
like
a
sheet
of
drywall,
and
it
has
its
limitations
as
well.
If
it
gets
chipped
or
cracked
or
broken
and
moisture
gets
in
it'll
disintegrate
faster
than
a
piece
of
wood.
D
I
did
have
something
on
the
roofing,
so
you
said
that
the
common
thing
that
you
run
into-
which
I
think
probably
would
be
the
common
thing-
is
that
somebody
wants
to
replace
a
metal
roof
with
an
asphalt
shingle
roof.
Yes,
because
metal
roofs
are
more
expensive,
and
so
how
do
you
rectify
that?
Because
in
here
it
actually
does
say
that
it
has
to
be
replaced
with
the
material?
That's
in
keeping
with
the
original.
E
We
do
only
approve
metal
roofs
to
be
replaced
with
metal
roofs.
If
there's
a
you
know,
if
somebody
has
a
special
circumstance
or
a
special
request,
they
can
take
that
to
the
bar
latino
commission
and
see
if
the
blc
will
approve
it.
We
also
do
offer
a
grant
program
from
the
interstate,
historic
preservation.
E
Trust
fund
that
assists
people
with
roof
replacements
is
one
of
its
one
of
the
items
that
it
can
be
approved
for
and
that's
for
homesteaded
properties
only,
but
that's
up
to
a
fifteen
thousand
dollar
grant,
which
typically
does
cover
the
the
cost
of
replacing
the
metal
roofs.
A
E
D
And
then,
with
the
sawn
wood
shingles,
well,
you
said:
there's
not
many
of
those
in
existence
now
correct
but
say
if
somebody
has
an
original
and
they
want
to
replace
it.
Would
it
be
like
a
material
that
represents
it
like
because
you
know
they
make
shingles
now
that
look
like
that
yeah
or
could
they
change
it
to
a
metal
roof
or
you
would
you
would
want
it
to
be
in
keeping
with
the
sun.
E
So
sort
of
moving
through
the
this
is
in
the
order
which
these
items
are
found
in
this
in
these
design
standards.
Looking
at
moving
on
to
the
next
section,
which
covers
new
construction,
demolition
and
moving
of
buildings,.
C
E
Okay,
right
so
new
construction
and
buildings,
move
to
a
new
location
are
discussed
in
the
evo
city
design,
guidelines
and
the
old
ones
as
a
sort
of
in
this,
the
same
treatment.
E
In
these
photos,
we
have
some
of
the
vacant
sites
the
photo
on
the
left,
actually
the
vacant
site.
Here
the
building
was
relocated
just
around
the
corner
and
you
can
see
the
rear
of
it
on
the
facing
the
side
street
there.
So
that's
an
example
of
a
relocation
for
a
foreign
for
the
purpose
of
a
new
project
at
the
the
previous
site
and
then
there's
another
vacant
lot
here.
That,
I
believe,
was
the
result
of
a
demolition.
E
Time
so
the
the
criteria
for
considering
relocation
and
demolition
are
found
in
section
2799
of
the
city's
code
of
ordinances,
and
they
will
likely
not
be
repeated
here
and
the
way
that
they
are
on
pages
56
and
57.
I
believe
those
are
the
criteria
for
demolitions
and.
E
That
was
formerly
in
section
27
190.
The
code
has
been
renumbered
since
then,
so
the
what
we
are
considering
to
do
is
to
take
out
what
is
specifically
delineated
by
the
code
and
leave
that
in
the
code,
but
here
to
have
more
discussion
as
there
is
about
what
will
be.
E
E
You
know
there
are
some
sites
within
the
historic
district
that
have
been
vacant,
for
you
know
many
years
since
the
late
60s
we're
in
since
urban
renewal
when
nothing
has
been
rebuilt
on
them.
So
that's.
E
Those
are
those
are
items
that
we
we
do
think
about
from
time
to
time,
whether
it's
worth
it
you
know
generally,
to
have
maybe
a
building,
that's
not
in
use
on
a
site,
even
if
it's
not
even
if
it
doesn't
really
meet
the
criteria
for
demolition
or
is
it
better?
Just
has
a
vacant
site
there.
So,
with
that,
I'd
like
to
hear
your
discussion
on
this
matter,.
A
I
think
when
I
sat
on
arc,
I
think
what
always
bothered
me
and
other
commissioners
was
that
when
folks
had
come
before
you
to
ask
for
a
demolition,
they
don't
you're
not
supposed
to
take
into
consideration
what
happens
to
the
site
after
they're
demolished.
They
demolish
the
building.
They
don't
have
to
present
a
plan
for
what
they're
going
to
do.
A
A
Could
the
structure
be
adapted?
You
know
so
much
that
happens
is
demolition
by
neglect,
which
was
also
a
big
issue
several
years
ago,
even
because
owners
just
leave
the
buildings,
go,
they
develop
cracks
in
the
roof
and
the
roof
collapses,
and
all
of
a
sudden,
it's
an
economic
hardship
for
them
to
renovate
the
building
and
bring
it
back
up
to
speed
when
all
along
the
way
they've
been
purposefully,
neglecting
it
and
maybe
not
purposefully,
but
most
of
the
time.
A
A
C
Again,
I
think
that
falls
more
with
code.
We
don't
want
to
overstep
our
boundaries
because
code
has
a
job.
I'm
sorry
code
also
has
a
job
to
do
and
with
demolition
they
handle.
You
know,
I
believe
they
they
have
things
in
place
if,
if
the
building
is
overrun,
what
should
be
done,
but
looking
at
the
demolition
guidelines,
I
do
want
to
make
sure
what
is
what
stays
in
the
guidelines
is
about.
The
landscape
features
because
I
know
when
some
homes
are
moved.
Things
are
destroyed
during
the
move.
I'm.
E
C
I
do
want
to
make
sure
those
things
are,
you
know
redeveloped
or
I'm
sorry
maintained,
but
as
far
as
the
building
I
like
you
were
saying
with
the
art
we
can't,
I
guess,
add
into
the
guidelines
what
could
possibly
or
I'm
sorry
not
what
could
possibly
happen
but
repurposing
that
land.
I
don't
think
we
should
touch
anything
in
regards
to
repurposing
land
or
facades.
D
Yeah
and
I
was
going
to
ask
the
vacant
land
who
owns
it,
somebody
so.
B
A
A
And
the
the
poor
owners
sometimes
are
compounded.
I
know
tampa
heights
has
had
issues
on
and
on
and
on
again
about
homeless.
You
know
people
will
clean
up
their
lots
and
then
you
know
in
another
month
it's
full
of
debris
again.
So
it's
I
can
see
why
owners
get
frustrated
at
being
responsible
for
this
kind
of
maintenance
when
they
probably
feel
they're
not
getting
enough
assistance
from
the.
A
C
A
A
E
Where
are
you
15.,
commissioner,
fencing
and
fences
and
walls
will
be
a
topic
for
a
future
discussion?
Okay,
I
will
note
that
it
is
a
little
difficult
to
work
with,
what's
appropriate,
fencing
on
a
vacant
site
and
given
the
way
that
most
of
the
the
code
and
our
design
guidelines
are
worded,
but.
A
A
Right
and
hopefully
I
don't,
is
it
possible
to
alert
the
board
members
of
the
meetings
with
more
future
notice?
You
know,
give
them
a
heads
up
and
then
give
us
a
reminder
and
because
I
know
we
all
got
the
schedule,
but
it
seems,
like
many
people
have
ongoing
conflicts
on
those
days
that
if
they
had
enough
notice,
perhaps
those
could
be
rescheduled.
C
I
will
speak
with
mr
fernandez
about
that.
That's
certainly
something
to
to
this
discuss
further
with
him.
A
All
right
great,
so
it
is
10
14
approximately,
and
we
will
adjourn
the
meeting
to
september
21
2021
at
9
00
a.m.
In
this
location,.