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And
also,
if
you
are
here
to
present
a
request,
please
bring
it.
I'm
sorry
if
you're
here
to
present
a
request,
please
be
thorough
and
concise
at
the
microphone,
identify
yourself
and
your
relationship
to
the
project.
Before
beginning
your
presentation,
the
commissioners
will
not
ask
any
questions
during
the
presentation
at
this
time
at
the
time
all
right
at
this
time
we're
going
to
go
through
the
reading
of
the
minutes
from
june
14
2022.
D
Good
evening,
commissioners,
dennis
fernandez
architect
serving
historic
preservation
manager.
Next
on
the
agenda,
we'll
have
the
disclosure
of
conflicts
of
interest
or
ex
parte
communication,
and
our
legal
counsel
will
leave
that
lead.
That
discussion.
B
E
In
communications,
regarding
any
of
the
items
that
are
regarding
the
item
that's
listed
on
the
agenda,
additionally,
will
the
commissioners
please
state
further
record
whether
or
not
they
have
any
conflicts
of
interest?
Regarding
the
item?
That's
on
the
agenda?
No!
None!
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you,
commissioners,
dennis
fernandez,
architecture,
review
and
historic
preservation
manager,
I
believe,
be
leading
the
presentation
on
your
agenda
item
this
evening.
I
did
want
to
introduce
some
of
the
staff
members
here
that
will
be
contributing
to
the
discussion
in
the
process.
Do
you
have
elaine
lund,
the
historic
preservation
specialist
who'll
be
assisting
me
this
evening
and
was
responsible
for
many
of
the
documents
that
you're
going
to
be
reviewing
ron
villa
with
the
staff
is
assisting
the
attendees
as
they
arrive
outside?
D
I
have
minta
owen,
who
has
been
serving
in
various
positions
for
the
last
couple
months,
who's
assisting
us
today
serving
as
our
clerk
and
then
I
did
want
to
introduce
alexis
guzman,
our
newest
staff
member
who's,
also
assisting
with
the
record
this
evening
and
will
be
joining
us
permanently
in
place
of
beverly
dusak
who
moved
on
to
another
position.
D
The
item
before
you
is
a
request
to
expand
the
hyde
park,
local
historic
district
boundaries
from
the
existing
boundaries
to
an
expanded
boundary
area.
First,
I
wanted
to
begin
by
apologizing
for
having
to
take
another
shot
at
this
hearing.
We
had
a
procedural
error
back
in
april
that
we
identified
and
airing
on
the
side
of
caution
and
for
inclusiveness
with
our
attendees.
We
wanted
to
ensure
that
everybody
had
an
opportunity
to
participate,
so
we
are
holding
the
hearing
again.
It
has
been
noticed
in
accordance
with
27149
and
we
are.
D
D
Following
some
comments
by
the
applicants
this
evening,
so
the
applicants
in
this
request
are
the
hyde
park,
preservation,
neighborhood
association
and
the
hyde
park,
spanish
town,
creek,
civic
association,
and
they
will
be
opening
the
hearing
to
present
some
the
nature
of
their
request
and
some
specific
facts
and
their
agent
is
going
to
be
attending
is
going
to
be
presenting
first,
okay,.
A
F
F
The
applicants
are
requesting
an
expansion
of
the
hyde
park,
historic
district
boundaries,
and
this
map
shows
generally
where
the
boundaries
are
proposed
to
be
expanded,
south
and
east
of
the
selman
expressway
north
of
deleon
west
of
boulevard
and
along
platte
west,
well
between
hyde
park,
avenue
and
boulevard.
So
those
are
the
proposed
expansion.
F
That's
a
proposed
expansion
area.
The
applicants
have
been
working
with
the
city
staff
for
actually
several
years
to
bring
this
application
to
you
tonight
and
there
has
been
extensive
outreach
in
the
community.
The
applicants
have
held
several
community
meetings.
The
latest
one
was
just
this
month
august
10th.
F
There
were
about
30
people
from
the
public
who
attended
that
meeting.
The
city
staff
was
there
and
presented
the
proposal
and
answered
questions
of
the
public
we
mailed
out
for
this
meeting
tonight.
We
mailed
out
656
public
notice
letters
and
we
mailed
him
to
an
area
that
was
275
feet
surrounding
the
proposed
expansion
area,
which
is
more
than
the
city
requires
this.
F
The
code
requires
250
feet,
so
we
exceeded
that
we
posted
12
public
notice,
signs
in
the
expansion
area
and
around
the
proposed
boundary,
and
we
submitted
our
affidavit
of
compliance
timely,
so
we've
gone
above
and
beyond
the
city's
requirements
for
public
notice
of
this
meeting
tonight.
F
F
In
addition,
the
city
staff
has
reviewed
this
proposal
and
has
recommended
that
this
proposal
meets
the
city's
requirements
and
is
recommended
approval
of
the
proposed
expansion
area.
So
at
this
time
I
would
like
to
introduce
our
first
two
speakers
who
are
experts,
and
I
would
like
to
present
into
the
record,
submit
into
the
record
their
credentials.
F
Our
second
speaker
tonight
will
be
mr
roger
grunka.
Mr
grunke
has
a
bachelor's
degree
in
architecture,
he's
a
licensed
architect
in
the
state
of
florida.
Mr
gronka
has
extensive
experience
in
architecture.
He
has
numerous
publications
and
many
awards
and
he
is
an
expert
in
historic
presentation
preservation.
F
G
Thank
you.
It's
a
pleasure
to
be
here
and
speak
on
on
behalf
of
the
expansion
of
the
high
park.
Historic
district.
My
name
is
rodney
kitepowell.
My
dress
is
3714
west
santiago
street
here
in
tampa,
and
and
just
going
to
give
you
a
little
history
lesson.
G
I'm
sure
you
all
know
a
lot
of
the
history
of
hyde
park,
you're
going
to
have
a
great
presentation
about
the
expansion
area
and,
of
course,
you've
read
the
the
report,
but
just
wanted
to
highlight
some
details
specifically
about
about
the
history
of
hyde
park,
particularly
the
the
expansion
area.
G
Hyde
park
really
has
has
three
histories.
There
is
its
frontier
history,
there
is
its
rural
agricultural
history
and
then
its
history
as
a
suburb
of
the
city
of
tampa
and
there's
likely
a
fourth
history,
that
of
a
pre-columbian
native
native
history.
But
honestly,
nothing's
really
been
found
to
to
talk
too
much
to
that.
G
So
so
that's
not
being
touched
on
here,
nor
is
it
being
addressed
in
the
the
criteria
for
historic
preservation,
but
that
frontier
history
is
is
where
hyde
park
gets
to
start,
and
that
is
around
the
same
time
that
that
fort
brook
got
to
start
in
the
1820s
here
in
tampa
the
collar
family
settled
on
the
west
side
of
the
river
opposite,
the
fort
they
attempted
to
do
homestead
the
area,
but
they
actually
were
too
late,
and
so
they
weren't
able
to
to
officially
homestead
that
space.
G
Others
joined
them,
beginning
in
the
1850s
and
60s.
Although
there
was
another
element,
the
spanish
town
settlement
of
cuban
and
indigenous
fishermen,
that
has
kind
of
a
amorphous
history,
a
little
bit
may
gone
back
as
far
as
the
1700s
may
actually
date
from
the
18,
20s
and
30s.
G
But
but
they
were
their
own
kind
of
settlement
along
the
creek,
where
the
creek
emptied
into
hillsborough
bay
right
around
swan
and
bay
street,
but
other
settlers,
particularly
american
settlers,
began
to
to
move
a
move
in
next
to
the
jacksons,
particularly
the
washingtons,
the
watruses,
the
morrisons,
the
haydens.
The
collins
is
the
kellys
and
they
all
had
a
40
acre
or
more
tracts
of
land
where
they
all
farmed,
mostly
citrus.
G
Although
there's
an
indication
that
particularly
mr
watrus
grew
all
kinds
of
things,
you
know:
cucumbers,
onions,
just
that
kind
of
stuff
general
produce
all
for,
of
course,
the
neighborhoods
consumption,
but
also
for
for
sale
across
the
river
and
the
growing
town
of
tampa.
G
Then
that,
as
that
growing
town
of
tampa
began
to
grow
even
more,
you
had
more
people
moving
in
to
the
west
side
of
the
river,
but
it
really
was
until
the
construction
of
what
was
then
the
lafayette
street
bridge.
G
Now
the
kennedy
boulevard
bridge
that
development
was
really
able
to
be
sparked
on
the
west
side
of
the
river,
but
just
prior
to
that,
in
actual
anticipation
of
that,
a
man
from
not
from
from
chicago
actually
born
in
saratoga
new
york,
but
who
was
living
in
chicago,
particularly
the
hyde
park,
neighborhood
of
chicago
obadiah,
h,
platt
came
to
tampa.
It
was
in
the
1870s,
bought
40
acres
or
between
20
acres
of
nancy,
jackson's
property
and
created
the
plat
of
hyde
park,
and
so
actually
a
couple
of
things
to
show
you
guys.
G
This
is
actually
the
jackson
family
nancy
jackson's
there
in
the
middle,
this
house
is
unfortunately
gone,
and
it
actually
is
just
outside
of
the
proposed
expansion
area.
This
is
at
205
platt
street,
just
on
the
east
side
of
plant
avenue
on
the
actually
the
site
of
where
four
green
fields
was
not
the
same
building,
but
that
exact
address
205.
G
But
it
was
the
jackson
family
that
owned
a
really
tremendous
amount
of
land,
all
the
waterfronts
along
hyde
park.
But
then,
when
mr
platt
purchased
that
property
he
created
this.
This
is
the
plot
on
this
side
hyde
park,
and
it's
it's
really
interesting
to
note
that
that
entire
neighborhood,
what
we
think
of
is
pretty
much
everything
south
of
kennedy
and
east
of
howard
avenue
along
the
bay
shores
all
hyde
park.
But
it
got
its
start
from
that
plot
that
you
see
on
the
right
one.
G
You
know:
strip
of
of
land,
20
acres
or
so
in
size,
along
hyde
park
avenue,
but
the
eastern
side
of
the
expansion
area.
The
proposed
expansion
area
is
actually
on
this
plat.
It's
right
here
at
platte
street,
named
after
mr
platt
and
high
park
avenue
right
that
corner,
and
so
it
was
never
included
in
the
original
district
for
hyde
park,
the
local
districts,
and
so
it's
good
that
that
perhaps
that
can
finally
be
corrected.
G
So
as
the
city
began
to
grow
and
as
the
bridges
began
to
be
constructed,
you
had
the
suburban
history
of
hyde
park,
the
the
the
growth
number
of
people
living
there,
the
diversity
of
architecture
and
and
really
a
population
boom
to
the
point
where
by
the
1920s
and
26,
particularly
when
the
platte
street
bridge
opened,
you
had
almost
a
city
within
a
city,
and
so
not
only
did
you
have
a
residential
neighborhood,
but
you
also
had
commercial
structures.
G
Churches,
schools,
really
everything
that
the
neighborhood
needed
to
function
as
well
as
provide
other
services
for
the
the
larger
city
of
tampa,
and
so
that
this
is
also
within
the
proposed
expansion
area,
one
of
the
best
named
buildings
around
that
we
don't
call
it
that
anymore.
But
this
is
actually
it's
called
the
platonian
building
and
that's
on
the
north
east
corner
of
boulevard
and
platte
street
still
very
much
intact
and
similar
to
the
way
it
looks
looked
back
then,
and
it's
those
kind
of
structures
again.
G
The
combination
of
commercial
and
residential
and
even
multi-family,
that
made
hyde
park
a
really
budding
and
growing
area,
but
also
has
another
element,
and
that
leads
to
even
kind
of
more
of
the
story
of
diversity,
and
that
is
really
what's
in
the
the
a
a
section
of
the
the
larger
part
of
the
proposed
expansion
area
and
that's
dobieville.
G
Now
the
daubyville
neighborhood
is
something
that,
unfortunately,
has
not
been
that
well
known
until
recently,
but
the
nobelville
neighborhood
was
a
very
important
part
of
hyde.
Park's
history:
it's
as
you
can
see
from
this
map,
it's
in
the
northwestern
section
of
what
we
think
of
as
hyde
park,
but
it
was
really
almost
kind
of
in
the
center
or
just
to
the
west
of
center
of
historic
hyde
park.
G
Think
about
kennedy,
boulevard
being
this
big
dividing
line,
but
it
really
wasn't
as
much
when
it
was
grand
central
and
it
was
a
smaller
road
hyde
park
and
by
extension,
dobieville
crossed
over
grand
central
and
extended
all
the
way
up
to
the
city
limits
at
fig
that
separated
tampa
and
west
tampa
and
dobieville.
As
an
african-american
neighborhood,
founded
by
among
others,
richard
doby,
was
a
really
vibrant
neighborhood
again
it
wasn't
just
homes,
it
also
had
churches,
it
had
businesses,
it
had
a
school
nobel
school
and
it
was
a
really
important
neighborhood.
G
As
far
as
the
vibrancy
of
the
city
of
tampa
a
lot
of
the
folks
who
lived
in
dobieville
worked
in
the
homes
in
hyde
park,
though
not
all
of
them,
they
others
had.
You
know
more.
We
can
kind
of
consider
a
middle-class
jobs
as
well,
but
dobieville,
unfortunately,
is
almost
entirely
gone.
Although
there
is
a
nice
concentration
of
what
would
be
contributing
structures
within
the
proposed
expansion
area.
G
So
actually
we
put
a
few
more
shots
of
dopeyville
here
it
is
hard
to
find
photographs
of
dhobiville,
which
is
not
surprising
given
the
times
in
which
the
burger
brothers
were
active,
but
this
is
the
corner
of
platte
and
oregon,
where
the
railroad
tracks
cross.
I
think
this
is
looking
to
the
to
the
north,
although
it's
sometimes
the
descriptions
are
a
little
bit
off,
but
this
is
a
very
typical
a
look
of
what
the
structures
in
adobe
will
look
like
and
again.
G
Roger
will
tell
you
about
the
architecture
of
pike
park
in
general
in
this
area
specifically,
but
it
looks
different.
It
is
different,
particularly
the
adobe
video
section,
it's
more
modest
and
that's
just
the
nature
of
the
folks
that
were
living
there,
but
it's
a
wonderful
example
of
that
section
of
hyde
park
and
then
this
picture
is
again
lots
of
favorite
pictures
of
our
history.
But
this
is
one
of
my
favorites.
These
are
students
at
the
adobeville
school
just
outside
the
school.
G
The
school
was
located
on
near
the
corner
of
platt
and
willow
about
where
the
crosstown,
the
leeward
summit
expressway
comes
through,
and
the
the
school
was
considered
overcrowded
and
there
was
a
consideration
of
actually
having
the
students
go
to
the
dunbar
school
as
early
as
the
1940s,
but
it
actually
survived
through
the
mid-1960s,
even
though
the
kitchen,
which
is
a
separate
structure,
had
been
condemned
by
the
city,
and
so
it
definitely
again,
another
example
of
kind
of
separate
but
unequal
in
the
area
and
the
era
of
segregation
so
hyde
park
after
world
war
ii
went
through
an
era
of
decline
and
that
that
was
really
that
stretched.
G
You
know
most
of
the
neighborhood,
but
by
the
19,
late
1970s
and
early
1980s
people
began
to
take
a
great
interest
in
preserving
hyde
park,
but
particularly
the
area
of
hyde
park,
south
of
swan,
and
so
a
lot
of
things
were
put
into
place.
A
lot
of
money
was
spent
and
also
historic.
Preservation
was
was
looked
to
as
one
of
the
factors
that
could
help
save
hyde
park,
and
so
the
national
and
local
districts
were
created,
the
way
that
they
they
were
and
the
way
you're
seeing
them.
G
Today
it
is,
in
my
opinion,
a
a
you
know,
kind
of
a
miscarriage
that
these
areas
were
not
included.
Originally,
I've
lost
a
lot
of
fabric
because
of
that,
but
I
know
there
are
a
variety
of
factors:
economic,
practical
and
even
cultural
reasons
that
that
the
limits
are
the
way
they
are.
But
but
tonight
we
have
an
opportunity
to
to
fix
that,
and-
and
I
hope
that
that
is,
is
taken
care
of
so
the
as
you
all
know.
You
have
to
look
at
criteria.
G
You
have
to
look
at
facts
and
so
three
of
the
four
criteria
that
secretary
of
stereo
excuse
me,
secretary
of
interior
standards,
look
at
qualify.
G
This
proposed
expansion
area
for
inclusion
in
the
the
hyde
park,
historic
district,
the
local,
historic
district,
so
one
associated
with
events
that
have
made
significant
contribution
to
the
board,
to
the
broad
pattern
of
our
history
and,
of
course,
as
I
mentioned,
that
would
be
suburban
growth,
supportive
of
a
growing
city,
the
city
of
tampa
african
american
history,
the
history
of
segregation
and
the
overall
social
history
for
the
city
of
tampa
b,
associated
with
lives
of
people
significant
in
our
past.
Again,
it's
the
people.
G
Historic
district,
but
again
it
adds
another
layer
of
that
more
of
a
commercial
look
because
most
of
what's
being
preserved
in
the
local
district
is
residential
and
there
is
a
definitely
a
commercial
aspect
of
hyde
park,
as
well
as
the
more
modest
homes
that
you
see,
north
of
swan
and
north
of
de
leon.
As
you
go
further
and
further
north
to
platte
street
and
again
I
will
say,
while
everything
I
said
is
of
course
historic
and
accurate.
G
G
This
neighborhood,
not
quite
in
the
same
format
but
basically
was
brought
to
us
to
to
expand
the
high
park
district
and
we
failed
to
do
so,
and
the
history
of
dobieville
was
not
known
nearly
as
well
at
that
point,
and
there
was
other
information
that
was
less
emphasized
and
so
the
the
board
decided
not
to
expand,
and
I
have
regretted
that
pretty
much
ever
since,
and
so
you
all
have
a
chance
to
fix
what
I
could
not
do.
And
so
I
appreciate
your
support
and
hope
you
all
vote
to
expand.
Thank
you.
H
Good
evening,
can
you
hear
me
yes,
great
okay,
so
the
staff
report,
which
you
all
have.
H
Of
course,
I'm
sorry,
my
name
is
roger
grunker
architect.
I
live
at
2708,
north
elmore
avenue
in
tampa
heights,
so
the
staff
report,
which
you
all
have
supports
the
annexation
of
this
area,
the
proposed
area
to
the
hyde
park,
historic
district,
mr
kai
powell,
had
talked
about
the
history
of
tampa.
H
I
want
to
talk
to
you
about
the
same
thing
through
the
eyes
of
a
an
architect,
a
historic,
historic
architect,
and
I
will
repeat
a
little
bit
of
the
history
only
only
a
little
bit
so
that
you
can
understand
why.
I
think
this
proposed
annexation
is
so
important,
it's
sort
of
like
baking,
a
cake.
It's
not
just
the
flour,
it's
the
nuts
and
the
sugar
and
the
baking
powder,
everything
that
has
to
go
together
and
come
together
at
one
time
to
make
something
happen.
H
H
Railroad
reached
tampa
and
tampa
was
connected
to
the
east
coast
of
florida
that
allowed
produce
cattle
to
be
shipped
from
this
area
to
the
markets
in
the
in
1886
plant
platt
o.h
platt
purchased
the
20
acres
from
the
collier
jackson,
family
west
of
the
river.
H
So
this
created
a
completely
different
situation
for
that
area
and
then
in
1891,
the
most
spectacular
thing
happened
to
tampa,
and
that
was
the
opening
of
the
tampa
bay
hotel,
which
was
at
the
time
the
most
elegant
and
ostentatious
venue
that
tampa
had
ever
seen.
It
brought
people
from
all
over
the
country
to
tampa
for
the
first
time.
H
We
know
that
the
proposed
area
qualifies
in
terms
of
notable
persons,
the
watrous
family,
ownite,
family
anderson,
mcfarland,
morrison,
overwhelmingly
tampa's,
leading
families
relocated
into
hyde
park
as
soon
as
it
was
as
the
land.
The
development
allowed
people
also
came
to
live
in
hyde
park
because
it
was
close
to
the
hotel
and
they
wanted
to
participate
in
the
amenities
that
the
hotel
had
to
offer.
H
Okay,
yes,
please
thank
you
very
much,
and
this
is
the
collier
house.
This
is
the
well-known
lyman
house,
lyman
produced
the
boxes
for
the
cigars
in
igbor
city.
H
This
is
the
anderson
house
on
plant
avenue
and
on
hyde
park
avenue
the
tolliver
house,
which
is
now
the
center
for
women
on
morrison
avenue,
the
watrous
house,
the
watrus
family
actually
lived
in
a
log
cabin,
albeit
a
log
cabin
that
had
a
pipe
organ
in
it,
but
nonetheless
they
were
homesteaders
in
hyde
park
before
any
planting
had
been
done.
H
I
don't
know
who
selwyn
was,
but
you
he
had
built
quite
a
magnificent
home
here
on
hyde
park
avenue,
and
it's
important
to
include
this,
because
you
can
see
none
of
these
homes
that
I've
shown
you
so
far
are
bungalows
hyde
park
pre-dates
the
the
craftsman
bungalow
period.
H
H
For
great
great,
thank
you
so
much
okay.
So
why
is
this
to
me
so
important?
This
is
a
photograph
taken
out
of
a
window
or
from
a
parapet
of
the
tampa
bay
hotel.
Looking
across
the
street
across
lafayette,
which
is
kennedy
boulevard
today,
looking
all
the
way
down
to
the
bay
hillsborough
bay
and
to
the
left,
you
can
see
where
the
mouth
of
the
river
meets
the
bay
okay.
So
this
proves
that
in
1891
hyde
park
started
at
what
is
today.
H
This
is
the
same
building
in
1945
after
the
allies
bombed,
berlin
and
the
building.
The
palace
was
nothing
more
than
a
shell
remaining.
H
The
palace
found
itself
eventually
in
the
segment
of
the
city
once
divided
occupied
by
the
russians.
It
became
part
of
the
gdr,
the
east
german
government
and
the
socialist
government
did
not
see
the
importance
of
a
monarch's
palace
in
their
culture,
so
they
opted
to
implode
the
ruins
of
the
kaiser's
palace
and
replace
it
with
what
they
called
the
people's
palace.
H
H
H
H
That
does
not
eradicate
the
importance
of
what
historically
took
place
on
that
site,
and
indeed
we
can
see
that
buildings
can
be
rebuilt.
Here's
a
top!
This
picture
is
of
the
laying
the
foundation
of
the
new
building,
and
here
is
the
building
completed
today.
H
Just
one
point,
though,
I'd
like
to
share
with
you
is
that
so
that-
and
this
was
very,
very
important
to
the
german
people,
so
that
people
did
not
think
this
was
an
original
building.
They
only
built
re
reconstructed,
three
sides
in
the
original
design.
H
The
rear
side
on
the
river
has
a
modern
design
intentionally
so
that
they're
saying
this
is
a
reconstruction,
but
the
importance
of
it
is
to
commemorate
the
site.
Today.
This
building
is
not
a
palace,
it's
a
museum.
It's
a
congress
hall,
it's
a!
It
serves
modern
purpose,
but
the
history
of
the
site
is
commemorated
in
the
united
states.
The
park
department
in
the
u.s
parks
department
was
developing
this
home
site
of
benjamin
franklin.
H
This
is
a
let's
see
here
this
one.
Okay,
thank
you.
This
is
a
photograph
of
this
so-called
ghost
house.
The
parks
department,
franklin's
home,
was
destroyed
in
1812.,
the
parks
department
decided
it
was
not
important
to
rebuild
his
home
because
it
was
franklin's
thoughts,
his
ideas,
his
writings,
not
his
house.
That
was
important,
but
he
did
those
writings,
those
thoughts.
He
was
he
lived
on
this
site
and
for
that
reason
they
constructed
the
steel
skeleton
of
his
home
commemorating
the
place
and
so
back
to
hyde
park.
H
H
In
my
opinion,
doesn't
matter,
there
still
are
many
many
wonderful.
This
is
the
onight
cottage
I
just
walked
down
platte
street
and
down
the
little
side,
dead-end
streets
between
platte
street
and
the
selman
and
there's
a
myriad
of
wonderful.
H
They're,
not
the
great
houses
that
we
know
like
the
lyman
house
or
the
anderson
house.
The
houses
that
remain
north
of
platte
street
are
simple:
victorian
homes,
usually
two
stories
with
a
good
deal
of
architectural
definition
and
even
though
they're
not
in
the
best
of
shape,
I
remember
hyde
park
in
1980
and
newport
avenue
was
not
in
the
best
of
shape.
H
My
friend
had
difficulty
obtaining
the
75
000
mortgage
for
a
beautiful
square
on
newport,
which
today
is
worth
millions
of
dollars,
so
neighborhoods
can
be
resurrected
and
there
is
no
reason
why
these
little
victorians
should
not
be
included
in
the
overall
hyde
park
district.
They
complete
the
story.
They
were
the
beginning.
H
So
here
is
another
aspect
of
the
importance,
and
that
is
urban
design.
H
we're
talking
19
teens
when
hyde
park
platte
street
was
developed
today,
the
one
the
the
average
is
one
vehicle
per
person
of
driving
age
and
there
are
more
vehicles
than
there
are
people
with
driving
licenses.
H
H
Hyde
park,
village
has
pulled
all
of
its
buildings
now.
I
believe
they
had
to
that
was
part
of
the
agreement
to
the
sidewalk
when
the
buildings
are
close
to
the
sidewalk
and
the
sidewalks
are
filled
with
people
and
the
streets
are
narrow,
the
automobile
traffic
is
slow
and
you
have
what
is
simply
called
community.
You
have
an
area
where
people
can
go
out
comfortably,
do
their
shopping
whatever
enjoy
socialize.
H
H
H
Perhaps
the
most
important
aspect
of
the
proposed
annex
is
the
recognition
of
dobyville
hyde,
park's
african-american
sub
neighborhood.
While
it
is
distinctly
different
from
the
rest
of
historic
hyde
park,
it
is
no
less
important.
Dhobiville
is
a
testament
to
the
city.
Excuse
me
a
testament
to
the
history
of
race
relations
in
the
us
and
tampa
in
particular,
and
for
this
reason
deserves
historic
recognition.
The
fact
that
the
majority
of
the
historic
buildings
have
been
badly
modernized
should
not
disqualify
them
from
being
recognized.
H
The
design
guidelines
would
prevent
further
damage
to
the
historic
fabric
and
architectural
fabric
and
even
give
the
option
for
enlightened
persons
to
buy
and
restore
the
tiny
bungalows
in
an
age
of
tiny
homes.
The
bungalows
of
dhobiville
are
comparatively
not
so
small.
In
addition,
dolbyville
is
enviously
situated
in
the
greater
hyde
park.
Neighborhood
these
factors,
along
with
the
protection
that
annexation,
would
provide,
give
hope
for
proper
rehabilitation,
as
well
as
an
opportunity
for
the
entire
city
to
mature
in
terms
of
its
social
perspectives.
H
H
I
Yes,
hello,
my
name
is
cam
potter
and
I'm
a
board
member
and
treasurer
of
the
hyde
park.
Spanish
town
creek,
civic
association,
I'm
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
association
as
co-applicant.
I
live
at
407,
south
newport
avenue
in
the
proposed
expansion
area.
I
want
to
thank
the
commission
for
their
time
this
evening
and
the
review
of
our
application,
so
I've
brought
some
photos
to
try.
Did
I
get
this
to
you?
No,
you
didn't.
I
I
So
when
my
wife
and
I
were
looking
for
our
first
house
together
28
years
ago,
we
were
attracted
to
the
historic
charm
and
location
of
hyde
park.
Neighborhood,
the
bungalow
houses
with
broad
pillared
front
porches,
the
live
oaks,
the
alleyways
and
the
sidewalks
walking
through
the
neighborhood
gives
you
a
sense
of
what
it
was
like
strolling
down
the
street
100
years
ago.
I
I
We
realized
we
weren't
getting
much
closet
space
or
problem-free,
plumbing
or
even
up
to
code
wiring,
but
we
bought
the
house
because
the
neighborhood
had
style
character
and
charm
that
was
authentic.
I
I
However,
we
also
saw
a
gradual
change
in
the
neighborhood,
with
building
of
more
contemporary
structures.
Many
new
buildings
were
multi-family,
and
most
of
them
were
not
consistent
with
the
look
of
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood
on
my
street
south
newport
and
on
the
adjacent
streets
of
delaware
and
edison,
most
the
block
is
zoned
rm24,
multi-family
residential.
I
It's
obvious
why
people
would
want
to
live
in
the
neighborhood,
because
the
location
and
the
charm.
However,
I
feel
that
this
increasing
development
and
the
lack
of
adherence
to
an
overall
look
historic
look
is
impacting
the
neighborhood
and
is
changing
the
place
to
be
in
a
position
where
it
it's
no
longer.
I
I
J
Good
evening
everybody,
my
name
is
patrick
chamino.
I
live
at
604,
south
oregon
avenue,
I'm
president
of
historic
hyde
park,
neighborhood
association
and
I'm
going
to
give
a
brief
statement
on
behalf
of
our
neighborhood
association
and
read
a
letter
from
mary
lou
bailey
who's.
The
current
president
of
hyde
park
preservation
inc.
I
do
want
to
thank
the
the
commission
here
and
the
staff,
because
there's
been
a
lot
of
effort
put.
This
has
been
going
on
for
years.
J
We've
talked
a
little
bit
about
that
already
going
on,
since
the
80s
time
is
of
the
essence
and
as
people
have
pointed
out
very
eloquently,
we
really
need
to
take
the
interest
in
preserving
dobyville.
J
This
area
is
recognized
by
people
for
its
distinctiveness
and
it's
because
we
have
such
preservation
and
intactness
of
the
neighborhood
hhpna
just
had
its
20th
annual
home
tour
and
we
had
900
people
go
through
our
houses.
My
house
happened
to
be
one,
and
this
is
a
before
picture
of
my
house
when
I
bought
it
six
years
ago,
and
this
is
an
after
picture
after
renovation,
and
this
is
with
my
grandmother's
amaryllises
in
front
of
it.
J
We've
had
a
lot
of
meetings,
there's
been
support,
there
has
been
opposition
and
I
wanted
to
emphasize
a
few
of
the
misconceptions
about
expanding
the
district
just
to
reemphasize.
It
doesn't
change
existing
land
use
and
zoning.
There
is
latitude
for
non-contributing
structures
and
redevelopment.
We
see
that
happening,
I'm
going
to
give
some
examples
and
I
think
one,
a
very
successful
art,
residential
realtor,
glenn
dakin
who's
here
tonight.
J
She
did
some
analysis
and
found
that
there's
a
29
premium
per
square
foot
for
residential
parcels
in
in
hyde
park
compared
to
other
south
tampa
neighborhoods
like
new
new
suburb,
and
she
also
presented
some
compelling
documentation
that
that
includes
commercial
buildings
as
well,
not
necessarily
for
tampa,
but
in
general,
in
an
academic
sense.
I
think
it's
notable
that
our
neighborhood,
because
there's
been
a
lot
of
concerns
raised
by
businesses.
J
It
is
heavily
populated
by
businesses
there
just
between
boulevard
and
hyde
park,
avenue
on
azeal,
there's
12
contributing
structures
occupied
by
businesses
that
are
well
maintained,
and
I
assume
these
businesses
are
successful.
J
There's
a
distinctive
renovation
and
I'm
going
to
mention
some
numbers
at
the
corner
of
bay
and
magnolia.
It
was
a
former
medical
office
building
somebody
paid
almost
five
hundred
dollars
a
square
foot
and
is
renovating
that
building
in
the
historic
district,
probably
nearly
three
to
five
hundred
I'm
guessing
given
the
amount
of
stuff.
So
somehow
investors
see
value
in
the
historic
district
for
businesses.
J
They
see
a
lot
of
value,
there's
also
a
new
structure
going
up
which,
on
the
corner
of
in
hyde
park,
right
adjacent
to
hyde
park
village,
which
again
is
in
the
historic
district
and
it's
been
tried
to
be
made
as
compatible
as
possible.
We
see
a
great
deal
of
redevelopment
on
howard
avenue.
A
lot
of
that
is
business
and
commercial
much
needed.
So
we
welcome
the
commercial
is
an
important
part
of
our
neighborhood.
J
It's
important
to
note
that
these
adjacent
areas
they
have
benefited
from
the
historic
district
they
may
not
be
in
it,
but
people
don't
come
to
hyde
park
to
look
at
a
block
condominium
or
townhomes.
They
come
to
to
see
our
historic
streets
and
the
the
quaint
houses
and
stuff
like
that,
and
we
really
need
to
include
the
area
to
maintain
the
integrity
and
maintain
we
are
a
neighborhood,
it
isn't
fair
to
say,
neighborhoods
we're
a
neighborhood.
J
So
once
again
I'm
gonna,
I
think
that
was.
I
must
be
running
out
of
time
and
I'm
the
last
one.
So
you
can
cut
me
off.
I
I
think
that
there's
been
a
lot
of
diligence
and
effort
put
into
this
much
by
the
commission,
because
you
all
looked
at
it
and
asked
for
more
information
and
the
staff
has
done
an
excellent
job,
and
I
appreciate
the
work
they've
done
and
I
really
encourage
you
to
to
propose
this
expansion
to
city
council
and
thank
you
for
your
attention.
J
I
didn't
I
didn't
this
has
already
been
submitted
in
the
record.
This
is
mary
lou's
bailey's
statement,
but
basically,
basically
I'll
do
read
the
last
part.
Having
reviewed
the
assessment
from
the
city
staff
we
concluded,
this
area
is
important
to
protect
from
further
deterioration,
since
the
original
local
district
protections
were
established
in
1988.
J
F
You
that's
the
applicant's
presentation,
I'm
pamela,
jo
hatley,
for
the
applicants,
and
I
just
wanted
to
state
on
the
record
that
I'm
submitting
all
of
the
photographs
and
documents
we
displayed,
I'm
submitting
those
into
the
record.
Thank
you.
D
Once
again,
good
evening,
commissioners
dennis
fernandez
architecture,
review
and
historic
preservation
manager.
Here
to
present
you,
the
staff
report
and
a
draft
designation
report
and
a
general
discussion
of
the
merits
of
the
application,
that
is
that
are
both
before
you
from
both
organizations
that
you
heard
from
this
evening.
A
couple
key
documents
that
you
have
in
your
packet.
D
Actually
three
and
then
you
have
a
more
illustrated
designation
report
which
includes
references
to
the
existing
district,
but
mainly
focuses
on
the
expanded
area
that
we're
considering
this
evening.
I
want
to
go
ahead
and
go
through
a
powerpoint
to
kind
of
walk
us
through
the
the
area
and
the
criteria
that
you're
going
to
be
considering
this
evening.
D
This
includes
illustration
of
both
the
national
register,
historic
district,
which
was
listed
in
1985,
and
it's
indicated
with
the
blue
boundary
line
and
then
three
years
later,
a
hyde
park,
local
historic
district
was
established
by
the
city
of
tampa,
and
that
is
indicated
in
the
red
boundary
line.
I
think
you're
familiar
with
many
of
these
maps
they're
very
similar
throughout
the
districts.
D
D
I'll
go
ahead
and
continue
on
while
they're
working
that
out
these
boundaries
both
are
relevant
for
this
evening's
discussion.
You'll
see
the
particularly
the
northern
boundary
of
the
hyde
park.
Local
historic
district
is
situated
primarily
on
de
leon
and
then
steps
up
at
boulevard
to
platte
street
and
extends
east
towards
bayshore
boulevard.
D
The
two
types
of
designation
differ
greatly
in
what
their
goals
are.
National
registered
designations
are
essentially
approved
and
implemented
through
the
department
of
the
interior.
It's
a
federal
designation
that
brings
distinction
to
areas,
sites,
landmarks
and
districts.
In
many
cases
the
protections
are
generally.
D
Embedded
within
federal
funding
requirements,
so
an
example
that
we
experience
within
the
city
of
tampa
is
when
a
interstate
system
expands
within
the
boundaries
of
a
historic
district.
There
may
be
mitigation
that
occurs
because
of
the
impacts
to
the
historic
resources.
D
Local
historic
designation
is
a
a
as
a
municipal
ordinance
mechanism,
that's
placed
in
an
area
a
site,
an
individual
property
or
an
archaeological
site
that
brings
protection
to
historic
resources,
and
I
think
the
most
dramatic
example
of
that
is
protection
from
demolition,
but
there's
also
protection
from
irrelevance
through
insensitive
architectural
modifications
to
a
building
that
may
adversely
affect
its
integrity.
D
The
architectural
review
process
is
delineated
within
chapter
27
of
the
zoning
code.
In
the
city
of
tampa.
We
have
two
architectural
review
commissions.
One
is
regarded
as
the
architectural
review
commission
and
the
other
with
jurisdiction
over
the
ybor
city.
Local
store
district
is
the
barrio
latino
commission.
D
This
often
occurs
within
our
situation
through
this
in
tampa
as
a
the
original
neighborhoods,
which
often
meet
the
criteria
that's
specified
within
the
code
and
what
the
district
does
is
seeks
to
protect
the
significant
properties
and
historic
character
and
encourage
sensitive
development
through
the
architectural
review
process.
So,
in
addition
to
preserving
structures
that
are
significant
or
as
we
refer
to
contributing
structures,
those
that
are
built
within
a
period
of
significance
for
a
particular
area
and
still
demonstrate
their
historic
characteristics.
D
It
also
seeks
to
maintain
the
character
of
the
district
through
ensuring
that
infill
construction
is
of
a
similar
character,
not
stylistically,
but
in
massing
scale
and
detailing
site
placement
orientation
and
form
that
occurs
in
many
different
approaches
throughout
the
historic
districts
and
the
architecture
review
commission
has
meetings,
as
many
of
you
know,
monthly,
to
determine
that
type
of
adherence
to
their
guidelines.
D
One
important
point
that
is
often
misunderstood
is
that
the
architecture,
review
process
and
local
historic
destination
only
applies
to
the
exterior
properties.
The
interior
properties
are
not
regulated
or
reviewed
only
in
the
event
that
a
contributing
structure
wishes
to
seek
some
type
of
preservation,
incentive.
D
D
The
1933
is
a
little
bit
more
related
to
when
the
district
was
established
as
a
national
registered
district.
Typically,
when
those
periods
are
defined,
it's
50
years
prior
to
the
establishment
date
for
national
register.
So
you
know
we're
looking
at
at
1933
in
this
particular
case.
Sometimes
there
are
properties
that
kind
of
ride
that
ladder
border
and
we've
used
individual
landmarking
to
try
to
accommodate
those
properties
that
may
kind
of
bridge
that
end
period
date
within
the
hyde
park,
local
historic
district.
D
Some
of
the
benefits
of
local
historic
designation
and
I
think
that's
what
really
drives
neighborhoods
to
seek
out
this
type
of
process
is
the
recognition
of
a
neighborhood
and
its
history.
We
have.
We
have
recognition
for
much
of
the
story
of
hyde
park
already
in
the
existing
district.
However,
tonight's
discussion
seeks
to
expand
the
boundaries
of
what
the
history
of
hyde
park
has
been
traditionally
viewed
upon
and
to
introduce,
perhaps
a
different
element
that
was
acknowledged
in
the
national
register
designation,
but
not
able
to
be
secured
in
the
local,
historic
designation
in
1988.
D
We
heard
some
testimony
about
property
values
and
some
studies
that
were
done
on
hyde
park.
There
are
many
empirical
studies
done
by
different,
usually
universities
on
the
values
of
properties
located
in
historic
districts
versus
those
of
similar
condition
and
proximity
that
are
not
regulated
through
local
stock
ordinances
and
there's
a
strong
trend
that
shows
that
these
historic
districts
increase
your
property
value,
stabilize
values
and
encourage
investment
preservation.
Incentives
are
expanded
through
local
historic
designations.
D
D
The
architectural
review
process
itself
often
controversial
on
certain
levels
because
it
does
require
a
dis.
An
additional
level
of
review
for
permitting
certainly
is
a
tool
that
can
be
utilized
by
neighborhoods
to
ensure
that
the
character
of
their
neighborhood
is
maintained
and
preserved
into
the
future.
D
There
are
some
of
those
requirements
in
place
for
land
use
amendments
currently,
whether
you're
in
a
historic
district
or
not.
But
this
enhanced
engagement
is
allowed
through
the
review
of
demolition
requests,
relocation,
requests
or
new
construction
that
is
being
introduced
into
an
area
also
governmental
agencies
and
any
sort
of
contractor.
That's
secured
for
a
particular
project
has
to
also
receive
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
new
work
done
in
an
area.
D
So
some
of
the
areas
that
the
architecture
review
commission
focuses
on
to
ensure
compatibility
and
the
maintenance
of
historic
integrity
is
done
through
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
process.
That's
the
design
review
process
for
exterior
changes.
Many
of
those
reviews
are
conducted
administratively
through
my
staff.
Most
of
them
are.
Our
boards
are
challenged
by
their
current
levels
of
review
for
new
construction
additions
and
demolitions
just
by
themselves
so
more
routine.
D
D
Significant
additions
exterior
alterations
that
essentially
stray
from
the
original
character
of
a
building,
as
I
mentioned
relocations
and
then
demolitions,
which
are
heavily
regulated
in
addition
to
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
process.
The
architecture
review
commission
is
empowered
to
consider
variances
within
historic
district,
so
there's
not
a
need
for
a
property
owner
within
the
historic
district
to
seek
out
dual
approvals
through
the
variance
review
board
and
the
architectural
review
commission.
D
The
architectural
review
commission
can
handle
that
all
at
one
hearing
and
elements
that
define
historic
structures
such
as
portica
shares
and
what
not
are
one
of
the
elements
that
they
consider
when,
when
weighing
the
hardship
for
variances
and
the
need
to
maintain
the
historic
patterns
of
an
area
and
then
recommendations
on
land
use,
changes
and
rezonings,
while
currently,
that
is
a
function
that
the
public
would
be
made
aware
of
in
a
local
historic
district.
D
The
architecture
review,
commission
or
the
bar
latino
commission
would
make
a
recommendation
to
city
council
on
the
appropriateness
of
a
rezoning,
a
land.
U
denied
use
classification
change
or
a
comprehensive
plan
amendment,
so
those
recommendations
are
part
of
the
rezoning
process
or
land
use
change
process
and
they
are
required
prior
to
any
such
proposal
being
presented
to
city
council,
and
then
I
mentioned
preservation
incentives
which
are
reviewed
also
by
the
historic.
The
architecture
review,
commission,
thus
kind
of
combining
all
of
their
authority
for
efficiency
and
expediency
in
the
review
processes.
D
So
the
process
that
were
this
looked
a
lot
different
on
my
computer
screen.
The
process
that
we're
considering
today
is
multi-staged
and
we've
accomplished
some
of
these
steps.
Of
course,
the
application
for
designation
has
been
submitted
and
the
staff
research
has
been
conducted
and
outreached
with
the
neighborhood.
D
You
see
a
number
of
the
meetings
that
have
been
held,
both
neighborhood
meetings,
in
which
the
staff
has
participated
in
different
settings,
different
locations
throughout
the
last
couple
years,
somewhat
interrupted
by
kovid,
and
then
a
number
of
meetings
at
with
the
with
yourselves
the
hpc,
where
you
there's
been
updates,
presented
to
you
on
different
boundary
options
and
and
different
elements
of
specificity
with
regards
to
an
expansion
where
we're
at
this
evening
is.
D
If
you
do
choose
to
make
that
recommendation
this
evening,
your
your
recommendation
will
be
forwarded
to
the
hillsborough
county
city,
county
planning,
commission
for
determination
of
eligibility
with
the
tampa
comprehensive
plan.
That's
an
administrative
level
review.
It
causes
about
30
days
for
that
to
be
completed,
and
then
once
that
is
received
back
from
the
city,
there
will
be
two
public
hearings
that
are
scheduled
at
tampa
city
council.
D
The
two
neighborhood
associations
you
have
heard
from
this
evening.
I
will
not
spend
much
time
other
than
saying
that
the
majority
of
the
area
that
we're
considering
is
located
within
the
hyde
park:
spanish
town,
creek,
civic
association
boundaries.
However,
the
segment
of
historic
hyde
park,
neighborhood
association,
you
see
just
at
the
very
transition
from
the
local
district
into
the
proposed
area
at
leon.
D
One
might
consider.
Why
is
this
expansion
really
that
important
to
an
existing
district,
which
primarily
compromises
a
large
section
of
the
existing
local
historic
district?
And
I
think
that
the
answer
to
that
has
become
clear
in
many
of
our
local
historic
districts,
where
we
see
development
that
is
of
a
very
intensive
level
and
degree
being
proposed
along
the
boundaries
of
local
historic
districts.
D
I've
been
you
know
in
my
position
for
a
long
time,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
there
is
a
desire
to
develop
along
the
edge
of
local
historic
districts,
to
benefit
from
the
aesthetic
qualities
and
character
of
the
districts
without,
but
avoiding
the
expectations
for
compatibility
and
form.
And
so
I
think
that,
as
you
consider
the
request
this
evening,
you
can
understand
that
one
of
the
effects
of
expanding
a
local
historic
district
such
as
this
is
it
better,
protects
the
existing
inventory
of
structures
within
the
district
boundaries.
D
D
D
As
we
begin
to
look
at
the
1931
sanborn,
we
see
you
know
a
different
image
of
hyde
park,
one
that
does
not
feature
the
summon
expressway
and
you
see
the
the
the
density
of
the
structures
that
are
indicated
in
the
1931
footprints.
The
yellow
footprints,
indicating
that
the
structures
are
constructed
of
lumber,
the
more
pinkish
indicating
brick
or
masonry
construction,
and
then
a
few
blue
structures
that
indicate
steel
frame,
construction.
D
I
saw
a
lot
of
great
pictures
through
the
earlier
present
presentations.
I
won't,
I
won't
re-emphasize
those,
but
there
is
obviously
a
long
history,
a
long
built
history
of
structures
within
the
existing
and
the
proposed
expansion
area
with
strong
architectural
elements
that
have
come
to
really
define
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
and
eventually
led
to
its
recognition
as
both
a
national
and
local
historic
district.
D
What
elaine
had
provided
for
us
in
this
map
as
an
indication
of
the
the
districts
that
we've
been
talking
about
this
evening,
but
also
overlaid
with
the
daubyville
area?
You
see
that
sort
of
in
the
green
boundary
example,
this
indicated
kind
of
crossing
over
the
various
districts.
A
segment
of
the
historic
dolbyville
area
is
included
within
the
proposed
boundary,
as
is
the
richard
dhobi
house
itself,
as
one
of
the
contributing
structures
to
that
district.
D
I
think
mr
kaipal
talked
a
great
deal
much
more
eloquently
than
I
can
about
the
history
of
dobyville,
but
dobieville
is
a
part
of
hyde,
park's
history,
it's
a
part
of
its
history
that
is
not
currently
well
known,
or,
I
think
ingrained
in
the
overall
discussion
of
hyde
park
and
so
recognizing
that
history
and
celebrating
that
history
making
it
part
of
the
whole,
I
think,
is
very
important
within
your
discussion.
This
evening
see
a
number
of
structures
within
the
height
or
in
the
dobyville
area
of
hyde
park.
D
Unfortunately,
the
mount
zion
amy
church
was
demolished,
and
these
are
the
trends
that
we
see
in
these
areas
that
are
unprotected.
Is
that,
although
historically
celebrated,
even
through
the
installation
of
a
historic
marker,
the
structures
don't
enjoy
protection
and
are
easily
being
demolished
under
our
current
codes?.
D
D
It
was
planned
along
the
railway
line
that
that
did
pass
through
hyde
park
in
passing
through
it
somewhat
created
a
you
know,
definable
barrier
between
this,
the
south
portion
of
hyde
park
and
the
north
portion,
and
we
still,
we
still
feel
the
effects
of
that
today,
particularly
in
the
dhobiville
area,
which
was
really
heavily
impacted
by
the
introduction
of
the
crosstown
expressway.
D
See
the
1973
aerial
map
with
our
district
boundaries
overlaid-
and
you
see
just
the
you
know,
mainly
the
the
railway
line,
just
the
beginning
of
construction
of
the
seminar.
What
is
today
the
summon
expressway.
D
D
And
moving
to
1976
when
it
was
officially
opened,
you
see
its
presence,
which
has
remained
similar
or
actually
obviously
been
expanded
a
few
times
over
the
years,
but
its
presence
is
definitely
a
factor
visually
in
the
area
that
we're
considering
this
evening.
D
We
saw
a
lot
of
photos
of
the
architectural
styles
that
are
within
the
boundary
area.
I
won't
spend
too
much
time
on
this,
but
I
do
want
to
present
it
because
it
is
part
of
your
criteria
that
you'll
be
considering
this
evening,
and
I
think
with
when
we
talk
about
this
area,
we're
talking
about
architectural
styles,
that
that
may
be
somewhat
represented
in
the
existing
district,
but
many
of
which
are
not
or
are
not
in
the
same
way,
and
I
think
that's.
The
important
distinction
is
we're
not
presenting
a
designation
to
you.
D
That
is
more
of
the
same.
It
has
uniqueness
in
and
of
itself
the
areas
of
dhobiville
present.
I
think
a
unique
attribute
with
some
vernaculars
that
don't
currently
exist
in
the
boundaries
of
the
the
established
local
stork
and
then
some
of
the
ornamentation
is
different.
We
heard
about
victorian
structures,
there's
some
spanish
eclectic
structures.
There
are
craftsman
structures,
there's
kind
of
the
florida
vernacular
that
we
see
commercial
structures,
some
of
which
used
to
be
single
family
structures,
but
now
have
been
converted
into
office
uses
or
medical
office.
D
And
then
some
of
the
more
simple
structures
of
the
dobyville
area,
the
cottages
and
the
shotgun
houses
that
have
just
a
unique
florida
appeal,
distinctive
from
perhaps
some
of
the
grand
homes
that
we
were
looking
at
1405
west
zeal
is
the
richard
dobby
house
that
is
immediately
abutting
the
salmon
expressway
and-
and
I
think,
we're
very
fortunate
that
that
was
not
demolished
as
part
of
that
system.
D
Some
of
the
commercial
structures
within
the
platte
street
area
and
in
interior
to
the
neighborhood
there's
schools
and
civic
buildings
and
commercial
buildings.
All
that
you
know
intertwined
to
compose
the
historic
character
of
tampa's
original
suburb.
D
In
1985
there
was
a
survey
done
of
this
particular
area.
At
that
time
there
were
nuances,
it
wasn't
as
distinguished
contributing
non-contributing.
There
was
some
altered,
contributing
and
certain
distinctions
that
was
that
were
not
present
in
today's
more
formalized
classification
system,
but
at
that
time
generally,
there
were
239
contributing
structures
and
103
non-contributing
structures
that
were
built
between
the
hyde
park
period
of
historic
significance
between
1886
and
1933..
D
D
D
It's
important
to
acknowledge
that
there's
some
historic
multi-family
development
in
the
expansion
area,
which
is
something
that
we
don't
see
a
lot
of
in
the
established
local
historic
district,
but
does
form
a
reference
for
some
of
the.
You
know
the
uniqueness
of
this
versus
what
we
currently
have
represented,
but
what
we've
found,
particularly
through
the
last
few
years
where
development
has
intensified,
is
that
we're
seeing
principally
single-family
residences
being
demolished
to
be
replaced
by
multi-family
developments.
D
D
New
construction
that's
been
introduced
into
the
area.
There
are
some
examples
of
varying
forms,
varying
styles
and
uses.
I
think
one
of
the
benefits
that
the
neighborhood
recognizes
with
the
architectural
review
process
is
that
the
character
of
new
construction
is
sensitive
to
the
historic
patterns
and
and
normally
seeks
for
compatibility.
D
Kind
of
drilling
down
on
the
different
data
that
we
collected
for
this
this
area,
that
was
principally
the
national
register
district
north
of
the
crosstown
expressway.
This
area
has
been
significantly
impacted
through
redevelopment,
there's
some
heavy
institutional
and
significant
multi-family
commercial
development
that
has
occurred
significantly,
reducing
the
amount
of
contributing
structures
within
that
area.
So,
early
on,
in
coordinating
with
this
commission,
we
had
determined
it
would
be
more
appropriate
to
focus
on
the
area
south
of
the
crosstown,
and
so
we
began
to
study
that
area
independently.
D
We
recognized
that
the
area
moving
east
of
hyde
park
avenue
has
been
majorly
impact.
The
redevelopment
there's
only
one
contributing
structure
in
that
area.
That's
indicated
with
the
purple
coloring
to
the
right
of
the
map,
so
there
was
a
staff
recommendation
that
the
area
be
omitted
and
allowed
to
develop
to
market
conditions
and
then
focusing
on
the
the
area
that
we're
considering
this
evening.
D
The
area
that
extends
up
from
the
existing
northern
boundary
of
the
district
is
bordered
on
by
the
summit
expressway
on
on
the
west
and
the
north
and
extends
to
the
east
at
hyde
park
avenue.
D
There
are
101
contributing
structures
and
111
non-contributing
structures,
and
I
I
think
one
thing
to
keep
in
mind
is:
we
are
focused
on
incorporation
of
this
area
into
the
local
historic
district
and
not
the
establishment
of
an
independent
local
historic
district.
So
these
numbers
are
consistent
with
other
districts
that
we
have
within
it,
where
segments
of
the
the
historic
local
historic
districts
have
an
a
significant
quantity
of
contributing
structures,
while
other
areas
have
redeveloped
to
a
greater
extent.
D
So,
looking
at
the
data
just
to
kind
of
place,
this
all
on
one
slide
for
your
consideration:
the
existing
hyde
park,
historic
district,
it's
composed
of
1267
structures,
834,
which
are
contributing
433
or
non-contributing,
that
percentage
of
contributing
non-contributing
is
66
percent,
typically
in
local
historic
district
or
national
register
districts.
You
look
for
percentages
that
are
above
50
and
preferably
around
55
percent
or
higher.
So
I
think
that
is
a
very
legitimate
ratio
for
contributing
and
non-contributing
structures.
D
D
As
I
said,
the
process
that
we're
considering
this
evening
is
a
recommendation
by
this
commission
as
to
the
criteria
that
I'll
review
momentarily.
If
the
criteria
within
section
27
256
is
satisfied.
A
recommendation
of
an
expansion
to
the
district.
D
The
buildings
constructed
during
the
period
of
significance
of
1886
to
1933
are
represented
within
the
expanded
area
and
they
retain
architectural
integrity
and
are
considered
to
be
contributing
resources
to
the
historic
district.
In
addition,
the
majority
of
the
area's
older
houses
have
much
of
the
original
ambiance
and
the
streetscape
is
well
maintained.
D
The
original
grid
system
is
in
place
and
there
is
a
historic
representation
of
mixed
uses
as
well.
We
feel
there,
therefore,
that
criteria
criterion.
One
is
satisfied
that
is
criterion
a
for
the
national
register
in
the
areas
of
community
planning
and
development
because
of
its
association
with
persons
significant
to
the
history
of
tampa.
The
district
meets
criterion
b.
D
D
D
D
So
we
considered
the
data
if
the
boundary
were
situated
on
on
platt
street,
as
opposed
to
going
all
the
way
north
to
the
crosstown
expressway,
and
that
situation
indicated
in
more
of
the
yellow
boundary
line
would
essentially
extend
the
district
boundary
north
from
dileon
up
to
platt
street
over
to
boulevard
and
then
on
the
west.
It
would
remain
with
the
salmon
expressway.
D
D
D
If
the
hpc
determines
that
it
is
appropriate
for
the
applications
to
be
forwarded
to
city
council
for
consideration,
your
first
chore
would
be
to
consider
the
staff
report.
The
designation
report
exhibits
and
testimony
presented
at
this
public
hearing
to
determine
if
the
proposed
designation
meets
the
criteria
delineated
in
27
257
a
and
b.
You
have
that
criteria
summarized
in
your
staff
report.
I
believe
on
the
second
page,
so
you
can
reference
that,
through
your
discussion,
determine
the
appropriate
boundary
to
be
reflected
on
the
local
hyde
park.
D
District
inventory
map,
which
we
have
here
of
course
determine
the
completeness
of
the
designation
report,
specify
any
necessary
amendments.
Of
course,
the
designation
report
is
geared
towards
the
original
proposal
of
the
boundaries.
If
there
were
to
be
any
type
of
amendment,
we
would
need
time
to
to
reflect
that
within
the
report
and
then,
lastly,
to
form
a
motion
to
city
council
as
to
whether
the
application
should
be
approved.
D
So
with
that
that
does
conclude
my
staff
presentation
prior
to
moving
into
public
comment,
I
would
recommend
that
we
administer
another
swearin,
so
anyone
in
the
public
who
did
not
participate
in
the
previous
swearing
if
you're
going
to
speak.
If
you
could
please
stand
and
raise
your
right
hand
for
miss
owen
to
administer
the
swear.
D
Speakers
are
allowed
three
minutes
to
speak
if
they
do
have
a
form
that
was
provided
in
the
lobby.
They
can
as
receive
additional
minutes,
but
they
do
need
to
present
that
form
prior
to
beginning
their
speaking.
A
So
at
this
time,
if
you
do
have
public
comments,
I
ask
that
you
please
line
up
to
the
side.
Three
minutes
goes
by
very
quickly,
so
please
summarize,
your
time
give
your
name.
Thank
you.
C
K
Good
evening,
commissioners,
thank
you
for
your
time
and
service
to
this
great
community.
My
name
is
john
hardin,
I'm
a
resident
of
the
area
that
is
now
being
called
dobieville.
It
was
not
called
dobyville.
When
I
moved
there,
it
was
called
hyde
park
north.
Since
then
a
sign's
been
put
up.
That
says
it's
dobieville,
which
I
believe,
because
I
happen
to
live
right
across
the.
A
K
Yes,
420
south
oregon
avenue.
I
also
previously
lived
at
1404
west
of
zeal
street
right
across
the
street
from
the
adobe
house,
and
I
still
own
that
property.
I
may
be
one
of
the
only
people
in
the
audience
tonight
that
have
actually
was
there.
K
The
dobie
house
might
be
a
little
bit
of
an
insult
to
the
the
builder
of
the
house,
but
I'll
leave
that
if
the
the
the
owner
of
the
dobie
house
would
like
to
preserve
it,
she
should
do
so.
K
K
I
I
don't
think
that
any
of
the
people
that
got
up
to
speak
on
behalf
of
this
has
probably
been
in
front
of
the
arc
to
make
an
argument
on
on
the
part
of
of
building
something
or
say
if
they
want
to
to
change
their
siding
or
something
like
that.
K
Some
of
these
homes,
for
instance,
they
have
pine
novelty
sighting.
The
reason
they
were
all
stuccoed
over
is
because
in
the
90s,
when
in
80s
and
2000s,
when
people
were
working
on
these
houses,
novelty,
pine
siding
you
couldn't
get
it,
and
if
you
did,
it
was
forced
growth,
yellow
pine
from
georgia.
That
was
just
completely
porous,
and
so
it
was
very
poor
quality
and
the
minute
you
put
it
up,
it
would
rot,
and
so
that's
what
the
arc
would
have
had
us
install
in
these
homes.
K
Yet
one
of
my
has
is
is
was:
is
that
oh
30
seconds?
Okay,
I'm
gonna
need
to
get
a
form
and
get
more
time
because
I'm
just
getting
started,
but.
K
Okay,
well,
that's
fine,
but
I
came
here
open-minded
you
know
so
far,
I'm
just
not
convinced.
I
think
what
we
have
to
understand
is
that
a
vote
in
favor
of
the
arc
reviewing
anything
that's
done
in
our
neighborhood
is
a
vote
for
more
expense
and
it's
a
vote
for
more
regulation.
A
L
Okay,
my
name
is
pam
cannella.
I
live
in
604
south
orleans
in
my
family,
home
of
91
years
and
five
generations.
The
residents
of
hyde
park
are
very
passionate
about
their
neighborhood.
This
historic
high
park
boundary
expansion,
brings
together
the
remaining
puzzles
or
pieces
of
the
puzzle,
including
dobyville.
L
It's
about
the
need
to
preserve
the
historical
character
of
this
area
for
residents,
it's
about
its
many
walkable
neighborhoods
of
stately,
mansions,
shotgun
and
bugaloa
homes.
Its
many
tree
canopy
line
streets
lead
to
a
neighborhood
of
homes,
boutiques
restaurants
and
coffee
shops.
It's
the
makeup
of
this
eclectic
historical
area
that
tourists
come
to
visit
and
stay.
L
L
L
M
M
Additionally,
it
provides
preservation
to
historic
buildings
in
the
expanded
district
through
the
design,
design
review
of
the
tampa
architectural
review
commission
and
is
requiring
new
development,
including
additions
to
undergo
this
review
process
through
arc,
as
well,
to
ensure
compatibility
with
the
historic
character
of
the
neighborhood
and,
most
importantly,
for
historic
property
owners
within
the
boundaries.
Any
historically
contributing
property
is
eligible
to
apply
for
the
historic
ad
valorem
exemption
under
both
the
city
and
the
county.
M
Historic
districts
are
special
and
the
designations
is
what
helps
keep
them
special.
It's
important
for
all
property
owners
within
a
designated
area
to
understand
that
studies
have
been
shown
that
properties
within
historic
districts
increase
in
value
and
increase
in
value
quicker
than
properties
in
undesignated
areas.
So,
as
stewards
of
preservation
in
tampa,
I
encourage
for
you
guys
to
vote
positively
to
continue
bringing
this
forth
to
tampa
city
council.
So
thank
you
for
your
time
this
evening.
N
Hello,
my
name
is
julia
gorska
freeman.
I
live
at
1009
west
charter
street
in
tampa.
I
am
a
member
of
the
center
for
architecture
and
design
tampa
bay.
N
I
am
a
design
historian
and
a
real
estate
professional,
and
I
am
coming
to
you
today
as
a
citizen
whose
family
first
moved
here
in
1988
and,
interestingly
enough
with
the
date
coinciding
my
family
arrived,
the
local
designation
happened
and
it's
when
there
was
a
sign
that
haunted
me
in
my
youth.
That
said,
tampa
america's
next
great
city,
which
always
felt
to
me
like
we
hope
we're
going
to
be
good
enough.
N
We
really
hope
we're
going
to
do
something
interesting,
we're
going
to
tell
you
we're
interesting
and
we'll
hopefully
find
something
interesting
about
us
that
will
make
a
show
up
on
the
map
and
well
I
say
that
with
humor,
I
implore
you
to
complete
the
designation
of
the
hyde
park,
historic
district,
to
keep
what
actually
does
make
us
unique
and
interesting
the
smaller
houses,
the
different
houses,
it's
what's
the
character
and
the
story
of
the
city
of
tampa
and
as
citizens
of
the
city
of
tampa.
We
deserve
that.
N
We
deserve
to
be
who
we
are
and
to
preserve
that
for
not
only
ourselves
and
our
visitors,
but
the
next
generations
who
come
here.
It's
we
don't
need
to
be
every
other
suburb.
We
can
be
ourselves
and
be
proud
and
maintain
our
historical
integrity,
the
visual
culture
and
the
visual
vocabulary
that
makes
this
such
a
unique
and
interesting
place
to
live
drive
play
work.
All
of
the
above.
Thank
you.
L
L
L
L
L
We
took
a
long
time
to
repair
it,
but
we
did
and
we
brought
it
back
to
life
and
revitalized
it
to
add
to
the
neighborhood
by
then
we
had
our
family
of
two
grew
to
family
of
four.
We
were
getting
calls.
It
was
at
the
height
of
the
real
estate
back
in
2003
from
developers
and
realtors
to
sell
because
we
live
our
house
is
on
our
is
zoned
rm24.
L
L
L
O
O
With
this
in
mind,
we
submitted
our
application
to
expand
the
local
historic
district
up
to
the
salmon
expressway
to
secure
the
remaining
historically
contributing
structures
and
better
maintain
the
character
of
the
greater
hyde
park.
Neighborhood
we've
identified
and
outlined
a
few
points
that
we
believe
substantiate
the
validity
of
the
local
historic
expansion.
O
Local
historic
expansion
will
be
more
consistent
with
the
surrounding
hyde
park
area
and
its
historic
designations,
as
well
as
the
city's
comprehensive
plan,
a
portion
of
hyde
park
and
hyde
park,
spanish
town
creek,
are
already
in
the
national
historic
district.
This
is
a
walkable
neighborhood,
with
front-facing
houses,
similar
to
our
sister
neighborhood
associations
in
the
local
historic
district.
The
neighborhood
is
comprised
of
hundreds
of
businesses
and
single-family
residential
homes,
many
of
a
historic
nature.
O
Additionally,
expansion
of
the
local
historic
area
aligns
the
neighborhood
more
closely
with
the
city
of
tampa's
comprehensive
plan
and
third,
the
hyde
park.
Spanish
town
creek
neighborhood,
is
home
to
historic.
Dobbyville
dhobiville
was
a
historic
black
neighborhood
in
what
is
now
known
as
hyde
park,
spanish
town
creek.
It
was
named
for
richard
davey,
a
resident
philanthropic,
african-american
businessman
and
community
leader
richard
doby,
helped
pen
the
history
of
dobieville
in
tampa
at
the
turn
of
the
20th
century.
He
donated
multiple
parcels
of
land
for
public
purposes.
O
A
1927
study
found
that
approximately
10
percent
of
tampa's
african-american
population
called
dhobiville
home.
One
of
historic
buildings
already
mentioned
here
tonight.
That
still
remains
is
the
original
dhobi
family
home
at
1405
azeal
street
richard
doby
also
donated
the
land
for
daubeyville
school,
which
was
demolished
for
construction
of
the
summit
expressway
he
donated
land
for
the
zion
cemetery
in
tampa
thought
to
contain
some
850
burials.
The
cemetery
was
washed
away
by
redevelopment
in
the
area.
It
would
be
a
shame
to
continue
to
allow
these
homes
and
area
to
be
excluded
from
the
local
designation.
O
C
I
read
a
historical
architecture
article
recently
that
summed
up
the
feeling
that
many
of
us
in
hyde
park
have
about
the
expansion
of
our
local
historic
area
to
include
dobyville,
a
historical,
historically
black
neighborhood
in
hyde
park.
The
summation
was
honor
history
and
you
will
impact
the
future.
Please
honor
history
and
impact
tampa's
future.
C
C
This
isn't
about
what
we
can't
do
as
individuals.
This
is
about
what
we
can
do
as
a
community
and
as
a
city.
This
qualifies
it's
one
of
the
only
areas
in
our
entire
region
that
has
the
number
of
contributing
structures
still
standing
to
qualify
for
preservation
and
even
more
lucky
it
has
original
dobiville
structures.
C
This
is
a
chance
to
preserve
the
most
significant
section
of
dhobiville,
where
the
dobieville
namesake
home
still
stands.
This
is
recommended
by
experts,
both
credentialed
city
staff,
credentialed,
architectural
and
historic
neighborhood
experts,
and
this
is
widely
popular.
All
three
neighborhood
associations
representing
hyde
park
and
also
hundreds
of
residents
who
have
met
over
multiple
years
and
at
dozens
of
community
meetings,
support
this.
C
C
C
Studies
prove
that
property
values
of
all
types
rise
in
historic
districts
as
you've
as
you've
previously
heard,
we
all
own
a
little
piece
of
history
as
a
city
and
as
individuals
in
this
area
that
we
are
discussing
tonight-
and
this
is
an
opportunity
for
us
to
keep
this
bit
of
history
for
generations
to
come.
Let's
not
let
this
opportunity
pass
us
by.
Thank
you.
B
Mr
sampson
is
not
objecting
at
this
point
to
the
expansion
of
the
district
he's
just
simply
asking
if
you
could
leave
his
property
out
of
that
map,
since
it
is
already
on
the
edge
if
you're
concerned
about
his
property's
redevelopment
is
already
old
enough
that
he
will
would
have
to
go
through
these
processes
protecting
the
property
in
order
to
redevelop
anyways,
it's
already
protected.
In
that
sense,
what
is
confounding
to
mr
sampson
is
the
fact
that
it
has
been
chosen
as
a
contributing
structure.
B
If
you
go
back
to
the
1970s
look
at
the
aerials
in
the
1970s
there's
a
primary
structure
on
that
property.
That
is
now
a
parking
lot
to
the
north
you'll
see
structures.
Those
are
now
parking
lots.
That
is
not
the
original
architecture.
If
you
look
at
the
property
itself,
you
go
back
five
years.
It's
completely
different
roof,
it's
different
pillars.
B
C
C
C
We
need
to
preserve
this
area,
things
have
changed
and
yes,
I've
had
to
go
before
the
arc
to
make
changes
on
a
house,
and
I
don't
mind
doing
that.
If
we
can
protect
this
tiny
bit
of
history
within
this
vastly
changing
city,
where
every
piece
of
land
is
being
taken
for
apartment
buildings,
we
don't
have
enough
roadways,
we
don't
have
the
drainage,
there's
so
much
that
we're
missing.
Please
preserve
this
little
pocket
for
all
citizens
in
this
city.
Thank
you.
P
Good
evening
I'm
laura
everett.
I
live
at
310,
south
delaware,
avenue
I've
been
a
resident
of
the
expansion
area
for
about
15
years,
and
I
am
also
professionally
an
urban
planner,
I'm
a
member
of
the
american
institute
of
certified
planners.
So
I
both
personally
and
professionally,
support
the
expansion
and
hope
that
you
will
support
it
this
evening.
I
do
so
for
two
reasons:
one
is
to
remedy
the
mistake
that
was
made
to
leave
dobieville
out
of
the
expansion
of
the
historic
district.
P
I
think
that
historical
assets
of
all
kinds
deserve
protection.
Whether
the
original
inhabitants
were
of
a
different
race,
different
income,
different
status
levels,
they
all
deserve
the
same
right
to
protection
and
preservation.
So
I
hope
you
will
join
me
in
that.
My
second
reason
for
supporting
this
is
the
protection
of
the
gateway
that
the
platte
street
provides
to
the
city
of
tampa.
P
We
are
the
gateway
one
of
the
gateway's
few
gateways
over
the
river
into
the
city
and,
of
course,
with
all
the
redevelopment
that's
happening
in
the
channel
district.
We
take
very
seriously
our
role
and
responsibility
in
protecting
that
gateway
into
the
city.
So
again,
I
both
personally
and
professionally
support
this
expansion
and
hope
that
you
will
join
me
in
that.
Thank
you.
Q
Hi,
my
name
is
michael,
oh,
no,
I'm
sorry.
O
L
L
Q
Q
I'm
sorry!
Well
I'll,
be
honest
with
you.
I
don't
get
bose
time,
so
my
name
is
michael
jaff,
my
family
and
I
own
the
property
at
211
south
boulevard.
Tonight.
I'm
actually
here
to
submit
to
the
record
a
66
page
presentation
that
I
submitted
electronically
last
week.
I
hope
that
will
be
read
into
the
record.
Okay,
I'm
going
to
kind
of
go
through
some
points
I
made
in
that
I'm
going
to
try
to
gloss
over
some
that
I
made
at
the
last
hearing.
Q
What
I
refer
to
as
the
enfield
is
the
area
east
of
willow
west
of
hyde
park,
boulevard
north
of
platte
and
south
of
the
selman,
that
is,
that
strip
of
land
between
platte
and
the
salmon.
Those
29
petitions
are
asking
you
to
exclude
that
from
this
expansion.
The
reason
we're
asking
you
to
exclude.
That
is
because
that
area
has
become
just
a
natural
buffer.
Q
It's
completely
a
different
environment
than
south
of
platte,
okay
and
where
people
say
that
yes,
plat
is
the
entryway
to
city
of
tampa.
Yes,
it
very
much.
Is
it
probably
gets
a
hundred
times
the
traffic
that
you
get
on
swan
avenue
or
the
places
south
so
we're
surrounded
by
these
area,
and
it's
only
80
yards
between
platte
and
the
expressway.
Q
So
what
I'm
trying
to
convince
you
tonight
is
it
platt
street
itself
is
more
of
the
natural
boundary
between
the
environment,
south
of
platte
and
the
entire
environment
north
of
plat,
not
the
selma,
and
if
willow
is
the
entry
way
to
high
park,
think
about
when
you
go
south
on
willow,
you
go
under
the
selman.
The
only
thing
you
see
north
of
platte,
there
is
an
empty
field,
that's
owned
by
the
the
expressway
authority.
That'll,
never
be
developed
an
entry
ramp
and
heavy
traffic.
There
are
no
residences
there,
they're
all
south
of
platte.
Q
So
to
me,
the
natural
entrance
to
hyde
park
is
willow
and
platt
okay.
So
I
wanted
to
throw
out
a
few
things
that
I
heard
people
citing
at
some
of
these
prior
meetings.
The
first
hearing
in
this
one.
You
know
specifically
about
how
a
commercial
area
such
as
hyde
park,
villages
succeeded
so
well
in
spite
of
being
part
of
the
district.
Well,
it
was
fully
developed
in
1986
or
87..
Q
The
district
did
not
come
into
being
until
1988..
It's
all
modern
construction.
It
was
not
subject
to
the
architectural
review
committee.
So
of
course
it's
successful
okay,
and
so
let
me
see
there's
an
article
I
put
in
here
from
back
in
1985
that
showed
all
the
historic
properties
in
the
area
that
we're
discussing
tonight
and
plus
in
the
existing
district
there's
only
one
historic
property
north
of
platte,
that's
the
peter
o'night
home,
but
that
property
is
already
owned
by
the
tampa
historical
society.
It
is
fully
protected.
Q
There
are
no
historical
properties
north
of
platte
in
that
little
infield
district.
Okay,
my
understanding
is
that
the
driving
force
behind
this
was
the
spanish
town.
Folks
want
to
be
part
of
the
district.
I
don't
blame
them,
but
if
you
look
at
spanish
town,
it
does
extend
all
the
way
north
to
the
settlement,
but
within
that
strip
that
I'm
talking
about
the
infield
there's
not
one,
not
one
home,
that's
being
used
currently
as
a
single
family
residence.
If
the
area
is
excluded,
every
single
family
resident
in
spanish
town
still
gets
what
they
want.
Q
If
you
look
at
daubyville
the
eastern
border
of
dhobiville,
the
boundary
is
willow.
If
you
exclude
the
infield,
not
a
single
residence
or
home
or
structure
within
dobieville
is
excluded.
Okay.
Now,
also,
let's,
let's
look
at
the
facts
of
how
this
whole
process
has
worked
out.
Okay,
I'd
I
draw
a
a
comparison
to
when
new
tampa
was
annexed
into
the
city
of
tampa
back,
I
think
in
the
80s
or
90s
I
kind
of
remember
a
little
about
it,
a
little
bit
about
it,
because
some
of
my
friends
were
local
politicians
there.
Q
Most
of
the
people
in
new
tampa
wanted
to
be
part
of
the
city.
They
were
part
of
the
process
of
bringing
themselves
in
okay,
the
people
in
spanish
town,
the
people
in
dobieville
they
want
to
bring
themselves
in.
I
understand
that
it
increases
those
residential
property
values.
Okay,
so
that's
why
these
petitions
are
written
in
two
ways:
they're
written
to
say:
we
support
this
plan.
If
you
draw
the
line
at
plat,
this
would
be
20
29
petitions
in
favor
of
that
representing
something
like
30
parcels
in
that
38
parcel
area.
Q
Now,
if
you
include
that
this
is
29,
petitions
opposed
that
they're
going
to
go
to
the
city
council.
Do
you
want
them
to
be
opposed
to
this
process,
or
do
you
want
them
to
be
in
favor?
They
can
be
submitted
as
they
are,
and
that's
how
they'll
be
read
if
this
plan
cuts
off
hit
plat?
These
are
in
support
if
this
plan
cuts
off
at
the
sellman.
These
are
opposed
so.
Q
Your
available
take
a
good
hard
look
at
that
area
between
platt
and
the
selman.
If
it's
excluded,
none
of
the
people
in
here
that
want
this
lose
they
don't
lose
anything
because
that
area
north
of
platte
and
south
of
the
settlement
is
a
disaster.
It's
already
lost
its
character.
The
gentleman
pointed
out
the
rebuilding
in
berlin
and
rebuilding
and
places
like
that.
Well,
those
were
public
lands
in
berlin
and
actually
I've
been
to
berlin.
I
used
to
live
there.
Q
I've
seen
that
building
when
it
was
the
east
german
palace
that
they
had
the
wall
was
still
up.
When
I
lived
there,
I
was
a
child.
My
father
was
in
the
military,
but
these
are
not
public
lands.
These
are
lands
that
property
owners
me
and
all
these
other
28
property
owners
paid
for
knowing
that
they
didn't
have
these
architectural
restrictions.
Q
If
these
architectural
restrictions
are
put
in
place,
I
don't
believe
they
will
add
value
to
those
properties.
I
believe
they
will
diminish
the
value
of
those
properties,
because
no
one
is
ever
going
to
raise
a
family
there.
No
one
is
ever
going
to
raise
their
children
and
if
I've
been
in
that
building
17
years
now,
I've
owned
it
for
five.
Okay
and
I
have
never
seen
anyone
walking
their
dog
north
of
platte.
I've
never
seen
a
baby
stroller
north
of
platte.
I've
never
seen
anything
but
homeless,
people,
interstate
bridges,
speeding,
traffic,
loud
noisy
traffic.
Q
I
submitted
a
lot
of
pictures
and
you
know
in
support
of
this.
If,
if
you,
if
you
look
at
the
facts
of
that
area,
it's
basically
commercial
urban,
whatever
you
want
to
call
it,
it's
not
residential!
Then
if
you
look
at
the
south
side
of
platte,
the
south
side
of
platte
is
all
commercial
as
well,
but
that
commercial
property
south
of
platte
has
created
quite
a
buffer
between
platte
and
the
area
south.
Q
There
is
no
buffer
for
the
areas
north
of
platte.
They
are
ex
they're
they're
squeezed
in
between
the
selman
expressway
platt
street.
Then
we've
got
three
interstate
bridges:
okay
and
we
have
heavy
traffic,
northbound
southbound
on
all
three
of
those
roads,
willow,
hyde
park,
boulevard
and
north
boulevard.
We
have
heavy
traffic
all
the
time
on
platte
and
on
the
salmon.
Q
This
is
not
residential
property,
it
doesn't
have
the
hyde
park
character
anymore
and
because
of
the
traffic
it
cannot
be
restored.
No
one
is
going
to
move
there
as
a
single
family
resident,
and
you
know
I
I
heard
a
lot
of
citations
about
how
these
district
protections
or
I
call
them-
restrictions
from
commercial
property
owner's
standpoint.
Q
I
heard
a
lot
of
comparisons
of
how
they
increase
property
values.
I
agree
they
increase
residential
property
values
and
I
don't,
but
what
I
don't
see
is
when
it's
said
that
they
increase
commercial
property.
I
don't
see
how
they
can
could
have
increased
hyde
park
and
I
don't
see
any
data
cited
in
anything
here.
That
shows
where
a
commercial
property
of
the
nature
of
what
we
have
here,
which
is
the
infield.
Q
I
don't
see
any
data
supporting
that
increase.
There's
plenty
of
data
supporting
these
residences
south
of
tampa
a
lot
of
hard
data,
and
I
agree
with
that.
I'd
love
to
live
there
to
be
honest
with
you,
okay,
but
I
can't
afford
it
all
right,
so
kind
of
lose.
My
train
of
thought-
I'm
not
good
at
this,
but
I
would
urge
you,
you
know,
look
at
this
look
at
these
petitions.
Q
Q
There's
just
no
evidence
that
the
supports
of
value
and
what
I'd
like
to
ask
tonight
is
I'd
like
a
show
of
hands
for
everyone
here
who
is
in
favor
of
the
plan,
as
it
was
presented
to
the
board
by
the
applicants
who's
in
favor
of
that
plan.
Let's
see
your
hands
now.
If
I
I
want
you
to
keep
your
hands
up,
if
you
own
property
north
of
platte,
do
you
own
property
north
of
platt,
keep
your
hands
up.
Q
If
you
don't,
if
you
don't
own
property
in
denfield,
there
you
go,
so
this
is
being
imposed
to
property
owners
within
that
strip
by
entirely
by
outsiders.
This
is
not
a
good
process.
This
is
it's
it's
an
overreach
and
I
think
it's
abuse
of
the
process.
Q
P
Carrie
carrie
bowling
314,
south
delaware
avenue.
First,
I
want
to
say
that
I
can't
afford
to
hire
a
lawyer,
I'm
just
a
regular
person
fighting
for
my
home.
P
I
want
to
say
that
all
the
people
that
are
pushing
for
this
to
happen.
They
all
bought
their
homes
knowing
full
well
that
they
were
not
in
the
historic
district.
They
were
fine
with
it,
and
now
they
change
your
mind.
They
want
it
in
a
historic
district,
so
they
want
to
force
everybody
else
to
agree
with
them.
P
P
P
My
name
is
john
bolling.
I
live
at
314,
south
delaware,
avenue
and
I've
been
living
here
for
about
24
years,
and
I
just
wanted
to
ask
a
simple
question
to
kind
of
illustrate
a
point.
I
actually
don't
own
the
property
that
I
live
at,
but
the
question
is:
is
it
right
that
others
dictate
what
I
do
with
my
own
property
like
and
I
don't
own
the
property?
I
was
just
asking
the
question
to
illustrate
a
point.
D
Commissioners,
I
do
want
to
take
a
moment.
There
were
a
number
of
letters
that
were
received.
That
also
constitutes
public
comment.
Elaine's
going
to
review
those
some
of
those
you
have
received
digitally
and
others
were
placed
in
your
packets
this
evening.
P
This
evening
we
also
have
several
letters
and
the
petition
that
you've
received
a
copy
of
from
one
of
the
speakers
who
was
before
you
this
evening,
mr
with
his
20
28
or
29
petitions,
and
additionally,
we
received
another
set
of
letters
and
opposition
and
letters
in
support
of
this.
We
will
be
submitting
these
for
the
record,
while,
while
I'm
submitting
those
for
the
record,
we
also
have
for
the
record
to
submit
the
staff
report.
P
E
J
A
A
F
Just
a
couple
of
points,
one
our
expert
witness,
mr
rodney
kite
powell
rendered
an
opinion
in
which
he
said
the
proposed
expansion
area
should
never
have
been
left
out
of
the
local
district
in
the
first
place,
and
this
is
an
opportunity
to
correct
that
staff
has
evaluated
the
application
against
the
city's
criteria,
the
city's
criteria
and
the
land
development
code,
and
that's
the
test
that
the
commission
must
apply
based
on
the
evidence
in
the
record,
and
the
applicants
have
submitted
competent,
substantial
evidence
this
evening
to
show
and
also
the
staff
reports.
F
Just
a
couple
more
brief
points,
there
was
a
comment
that
there
are
no
historic
districts
in
the
area,
north
of
I'm
sorry,
no
historic
structures
in
the
area
north
of
platte,
and
if
I
wrote
my
numbers
downright,
I
believe
staff
said
that
there
were
16
contributing
structures
in
the
area
north
of
platte
12
non-contributing.
F
I
could
be
wrong
about
that,
but
it
was
in
the
staff
presentation,
so
I'm
not
sure
what
was
meant
by
historic
structures,
but
certainly
there
are
contributing
structures
in
that
area
north
of
platte
and
has
been
said
over
and
over
tonight.
It
would
be
a
shame
to
lose
those.
This
is
an
opportunity
to
preserve
those,
and
the
evidence
in
the
record
supports
a
recommendation
of
approval
to
city
council
and
then
just
in
closing.
F
There
were
a
couple
of
comments
about
property
rights,
and
indeed,
we
americans
are
staunch
defenders
of
our
property
rights
and
our
constitution
ensures
you
know
certain
property
rights,
but
our
courts
have
also
decided
for
for
many
many
years
and
consistent
decisions
that
local
governments
can
put
reasonable
restrictions
on
property
rights,
and
so
this
this
is
what
we're
talking
about
tonight:
reasonable
restrictions
that
benefit
the
public
interest
for
this
community
and
that
preserve
the
historic
character
of
this
community
and
and
the
the
history
of
our
city
for
all
citizens.
A
E
E
We'll
have
to
allow
the
the
applicant
to
have
a
rebuttal,
since
there
are
questions.
B
Dennis
about
the
the
contributing
and
non-contributing
charge,
because
there
was-
I
don't
know
if
you
included
the
little
top
part,
because
the
numbers
there
were
different
sets
of
numbers
that
I
saw
that
that's
it
yeah.
That
was
it
really.
A
B
D
D
K
D
And
in
that
scenario,
there
would
be
101
contributing
structures,
added
and
111
non-contributing
structures
added
for
a
total
of
212
structures,
and
that
constitutes
a
48
contributing
percentage
ratio.
D
D
Here,
we're
looking
at
85
contributing
and
99
non-contributing
for
a
total
of
184
structures,
reducing
that
percentage
down
to
46
and
then
cumulatively,
the
amount
of
structures
would
be
less,
but
the
percentage
of
contributing
non-contributing
would
remain
the
same.
C
D
C
D
This
area
in
the
tan
color,
is
the
proposed
area.
That's
indicated
on
the
larger
map,
and
this
was
an
excluded
area
that
is
to
the
east
of
hyde
park
avenue
through
one
of
our
previous
conversations
at
one
of
the
previous
hpc
hearings
that
was
determined
to
omit
that
area.
Thank
you.
D
E
A
C
I
just
have
a
question
for
miss
penis
mackel,
and
that
is
because,
like
two
things
one
I
came
in
late,
so
if
I
need
to
disclose
no
conflicts
or
whatever
I
have
no
conflicts
or
ex
parte,
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
and
then
I
had
a
question
about
the
labeling
of
the
criteria.
E
Pettis
mackel
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
so
I
provided
the
commissioners
a
sample
motion.
The
sample
motion
that
I
provided
outlines
the
criteria
that's
established
in
the
code.
That's
also
listed
in
your
staff
report.
The
code
section
that
was
that
explains
the
criteria
is
27
257
and
it's
a
1
and
2,
and
it's
also
27
257
b.
E
One
and
two
the
staff
report
outlines
those
code
sections
I've
just
provided
it
again
in
the
sample
motion
and
it's
up
to
the
commission
to
determine
what,
if
any,
if
this
application
meets
the
criteria,
what
elements
or
what
specific
code
section
or
subsections,
this
application
meets
based
upon
the
evidence
that
was
heard
at
this
hearing
and
submitted
into
the
record.
So
this
that
I
provided
the
sample
motion
is
what's
outlined
in
your
staff
report.
It's
up
to
the
commission
to
decide
what
criteria
they
believe
if
any,
this
application
needs.
E
E
I
I
so
if
you
look
on
page,
if
you
look
on
page
one
of
your
staff
report
and
recommendation,
it
correlates
to
what
your
sample
motion
is
it's
the
same.
Okay,
this
is
the
same
information.
It's
just
numbered
and
maybe
number
different
is
the
same
data.
C
A
Well,
I
would
like
to
say
at
this
time
I
do
appreciate
all
of
the
entities
that
came
together
to
make
to
bring
us
here
today
the
research
from
staff,
the
research
from
businesses
all
who
were
opposed
or
for
it.
I
appreciate
you
coming
out
tonight
because
one
this
is
the
middle
of
a
day,
so
I
appreciate
everyone
coming
tonight.
A
Whatever
happens
today,
we
know
that
everyone
has
given
their
time
to
make
sure
that
everyone
has
a
clear
understanding
of
what's
going
on,
and
I
think
mr
fernandez
last
year
opened
it
back
up
to
to
neighborhoods
and
businesses
to
discuss
what
is
important
to
them.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
this
back
to
us
so
that
we
can
have
a
resolve
as
we
move
forward.
Thank
you.
C
A
C
E
D,
correct
just
provide
additional
basis
for
your
your
justification
for
the
motion.
Why
you're.
C
Yes,
I
can
that
wouldn't
be
part
of
my
motion.
That
sort
of
commentary
am,
I.
C
I
left
e
off
okay,
I
do
have
my
reasons
I
can
give
those
first
and
then
repeat
the
motion:
would
that
be
better.
C
C
I
have
to
get
my
readers
on.
I
can't
even
read
my
own
writing.
Portions
of
the
proposed
expansion
area
are
non-contributing.
We
know
that,
but
the
local
designation
will
ensure
that
the
new
development
will
be
compatible
with
the
historic
district,
and
I
believe
that
we
have
seen
examples
of
what
happens
outside
of
the
historic
district
when
development
is
not
compatible
to
the
historic
district.
There
are
many
many
examples,
and
hopefully,
by
moving
this
boundary,
we'll
be
able
to.
Of
course,
we
can't
correct
was
already
done,
but
maybe
remedy
what
will
happen
in
the
future.
C
Significant
in
our
past,
also
known
as
criteria
b.
Property
embodies
the
distinctive
characteristics
of
a
type
period
or
method
of
construction,
or
represents
the
work
of
a
master
or
possesses
higher
high
artistic
value,
or
represents
a
significant
and
distinguishable
entity
whose
components
lack
individual
distinction,
criterion.
C.
In
addition,
section
27-257,
foreign,
one
and
parens
ii.
A
May
we
have
a
show
of
hands
who
is
in
favor
all
right?
Any
opposed
at
this
time
has
moved
unanimously
to
approve
the
request
for
the
city.
Thank
you.
D
So,
commissioners,
just
a
little
housekeeping,
we
do
have
another
meeting
scheduled
for
september
13th
2022
at
9
00
a.m.
Staff
is
determining.
If
that
meeting
is
going
to
be
necessary,
we
will
let
you
know
if
that
does
need
to
occur
under
new
business.