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E
Thank
you
with
that
world
Minister
the
swearing
to
the
staff.
If
Alexis
could
administer
the
swearing.
Please.
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E
Do
thank
you
with
that.
Commissioners
this
morning
we
have
several
updates
and
a
discussion
that
we
wanted
to
essentially
provide
to.
You
had
some
requests
for
follow-up
on
some
of
the
items
that
we
have
listed
on
the
agenda.
First
of
all,
moving
to
item
number
six,
which
was
previously
a
recommendation
to
designate
the
Bastille
brother
India's
cigar
Factory
building
as
a
city
of
Tampa
local
Landmark.
That
property
is
located
at
2111,
North
Albany
Avenue
have
a.
E
Gonna
be
Elmo
real,
quick
and
just
show
you
a
historic
picture
of
the
property
which
was
constructed,
In
1902,
consistent
with
the
other
cigar
factories
in
the
city.
Obviously,
this
type
of
building
and
the
use
the
history
of
the
use
has
a
tremendous
significance
to
the
development
of
the
city
and
the
historic
preservation
commission
had
recommended
designation
of
this
property
as
a
local
Landmark,
I'm
happy
to
report
that
on
November
3rd
city
council
did
approve
the
local
Landmark
designation
of
the
property.
E
So
this
is
added
to
the
city
of
Tampa
historic
registry
at
this
time,
and
we
have
been
working
on
Rehabilitation
plan
with
the
property
owner.
I
think
he
is
converting
this
into
residential
living
for
students,
so
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
great
asset
to
West,
Tampa
and
then
also
I
think
a
good
example
for
preservation
of
this
building
type
in
the
city,
particularly
in
West
Tampa,
where,
where
there's
a
number
of
these
factories
is
present,
so
we
are
working
on
a
couple
other
designations
with
cigar
factories.
E
They,
you
know
they
are
the
type
of
project
that
usually
are
associated
with
an
Adaptive
reuse.
When
we
get
the
opportunity
to
discuss
historic,
designation
and
that's
ongoing,
obviously
is
the
interest
in
Redevelopment
of
some
of
our
older
neighborhoods
continues.
Even
even
though
we've
seen
the
economy
slow
down
a
bit,
it
hasn't
stifled
some
of
the
development
in
our
original
neighborhoods,
which
is
a
good
thing.
E
The
other
item
I
wanted
to
update
you
on,
which
was
the
subject
of
the
minutes
that
you
approved.
E
Is
the
ongoing
expanse
proposed
expansion
of
the
Hyde
Park
historic
district
that
was
recommended
by
the
historic
preservation
Commission
on
August
30th
I
know
it's
a
little
difficult
to
see,
but
it's
the
area
that's
highlighted
in
green,
which
is
north
of
the
district
line,
moving
up
to
the
crosstown
essentially,
and
that
area
did
receive
a
favorable
recommendation
from
the
Hillsborough
County
City
County,
Planning
Commission
for
being
for
the
proposal
being
consistent
with
the
Tampa
comprehensive
plan.
E
As
you
know,
that
is
one
of
the
steps
in
the
designation
process
and
this
item
is
scheduled
to
go
to
a
city
council
for
first
reading
a
week
from
Thursday.
So
on.
December,
the
8th
staff
and
the
applicants
will
be
presenting
the
request
and
your
recommendation
for
their
consideration.
So
we
we
plan
for
that
to
be
very
detailed.
Discussion
and
there'd
be
a
great
deal
of
public
participation
because
the
notice
has
already
been
sent
out
and
we
will
continue
to
update
you
on
the
progress
of
that
area.
E
As
the
consideration
of
of
its
expansion
of
the
local
historic
district
is
underway,
I
don't
have
a
date
for
a
second
reading.
As
of
yet
we'll
get
through
the
first
reading
and
then
I'll
continue
to
update
you
on
the
progress
of
that.
E
Earlier
this
year
there
was
a
request
by
the
Commissioners
to
provide
sort
of
a
dialogue
between
a
few
different
areas
of
the
preservation
program
and
I.
Think
in
in
discussing
some
of
the
opportunities
that
we
have,
we
felt
it
did
today.
There
was
time
on
the
agenda
to
get
into
a
discussion
about
the
designation
criteria,
that's
both
at
the
national
and
how
that
kind
of
transcends
into
the
local
ordinance.
E
So
we
have
prepared
a
PowerPoint
to
assist
in
the
discussion
and
then
to
have
some
time
afterwards
to
to
answer
any
questions
and
to
discuss
some
of
the
specifics
of
the
categories
that
we're
going
to
cover.
So
if
it's
the
pleasure,
the
commissioner
will
go
ahead
and
present
that
at
this
time,
Elaine
Lund
is
going
to
be
leading
that
presentation.
F
So
this
morning
we
have
a
presentation
for
you,
as
Dennis
stated,
regarding
the
local
historic
designation
criteria,
I'm
going
to
take
you
through
a
little
bit
about
the
national
register
criteria
on
which
our
local
criteria
are
based
and
go
through
some
of
the
terminology
that
is
frequently
used
and
with
the
national
register
and
that
we
use
also
in
the
local
designation
process.
F
F
F
These
criteria
can
apply
to
Historic
properties
that
are
usually
categorized
as
either
a
building
structure,
object,
site
or
District.
So
when
we're
talking
about
something,
that's
being
designated,
it's
the
property
and
then
it's
property
type
is
one
of
those
categories.
So
I'm
going
to
just
give
you
the
definitions
of
those,
as
provided
by
the
the
national
register.
Here
a
building
such
as
a
house,
Barn,
Church,
hotel
or
similar
construction
is
created
principally
to
shelter
any
form
of
human
activity.
F
So
a
structure
is
differentiated
from
a
building
in
that
it's
not
designed
for
a
purpose
that
creates
human
shelter,
so
that
might
be
something
like
a
a
Bandstand
or
a
boat
or
a
ship
a
bridge
locally.
We
have
the
the
bridges
over
the
Hillsborough
River
that
are
locally
designated,
and
some
of
them
are
also
on
the
national
register
and
then
also
in
the
National
register.
I
can't
come
up
with
the
name
of
the
ship
right
now,
but
the
one
that's.
E
G
F
At
the
board
is
listed
in
the
National
register,
it
could
include
something
like
a
grain
elevator
or
a
lighthouse
as
well.
F
F
An
object
is
associated
with
a
specific
setting
or
its
environment,
so
that
may
be
something
such
as
a
sculpture,
a
monument,
a
boundary
marker,
a
fountain,
a
statue
sites
are
the
location
of
a
significant
event,
a
prehistoric
or
historic
occupation
or
activity,
or
a
building
or
structure,
whether
standing,
ruined
or
vanished,
where
the
location
itself
possesses
historic,
cultural
or
archaeological
value,
regardless
of
the
value
of
any
existing
structure.
So
site
might
be
something
like
a
cemetery
or
a
campground,
a
habitation
site
or
a
shipwreck.
F
F
We
have
some
buildings
from
those
areas
that
are,
we
have
represented
as
part
of
a
multiple
property
listing
which
is
not
a
district
per
se,
but
those
were
planned
communities
from
the
1920s,
a
downtown
business
district,
a
early
suburb
such
as
Tampa
Heights
or
Hyde,
Park
college
campuses
or
a
estate
or
farm
with
a
large
acreage
and
numerous
buildings
and
structures
on
it.
F
The
kind
of
final
concept
here
before
we
move
on
to
the
actual
criteria
is
the
historic
context,
so
historic
context
is
sort
of
a
theme
or
a
facet
of
pre-history
or
history,
and
when
we're
looking
at
historic
contexts,
the
significance
of
the
historic
property
can
only
be
judged
and
explained
when
it
is
evaluated
within
its
historic
context.
So
these
contacts
are
patterns
or
Trends
in
history,
by
which
a
specific
occurrence,
property
or
site
is
understood,
and
its
meeting
and
ultimately
its
significance
within
history
or
pre-history
is
made
clear.
F
So
when
trying
to
decide
if
a
property
is
significant,
you
have
to
look
at
whether
the
property
is
associated
with
a
certain
facet
of
prehistory
or
history.
That
is
significant
and
then
you
must
evaluate
it
compared
to
other
buildings
or
structures
or
sites
or
objects.
That
also
are
relevant
to
that
particular
facet
of
prehistory
or
history.
F
F
Pictures
on
the
slide
here
are
just
since
I
didn't
mention
is
the
the
Stovall
house,
which
was
recently
added
to
our
list
of
local
historic,
designated
properties.
Earlier
this
year,
it's
on
Bayshore,
Boulevard,.
F
The
building
site,
such
structure,
object
or
District
must
have
been
constructed
or
achieved
its
significance
During
the
period
of
historic
significance
as
delineated
in
the
National
register
of
historic
places,
guidelines
or
as
established
in
the
nomination.
Pursuant
to
those
guidelines
generally,
when
looking
at.
F
Historic
properties,
we
look
for
something
to
be
at
least
50
years
old,
so
that
there's
been
enough
time
that
has
passed
that
we
can
take
a
good
sort
of
academic,
look
at
the
at
the
property
and
evaluate
it
within
its
context.
It
you
know,
allows
for
there
to
have
been
enough
time
to
have.
F
You
know
people
who
are
experts
in
those
particular
Fields.
Take
a
scholarly
approach
and
yeah
produce
some
sort
of
documentation
that
we,
the
historians,
can
use
to
evaluate
the
property.
F
There
are
exceptions
to
that
with
some
things
that
are
going
to
be
obviously
highly
significant,
like
the
you
know,
on
the
national
level,
like
the
space
shuttle
launch
pads,
for
example,.
F
So
when,
as
I
mentioned,
integrity
was
one
of
the
the
items
that
you
have
to
look
for
when
you're
talking
about
the
historic
context
and
evaluating
a
property,
so
the
next
section
of
our
of
our
code
talks
about
how
the
building
site
structure,
object
or
District
has
the
quality
of
significance
in
American,
state
or
local
history,
architecture,
archeology,
engineering
and
culture,
which
is
present
in
District
sites,
buildings,
structures
and
objects
that
possesses
the
Integrity
of
location,
designs,
setting
materials,
workmanship,
feeling
and
Association.
F
So
you
know
this
is
going
to
how
first
that
the
property
must
be
significant
one
of
these
general
areas,
and
it
must
be,
it
can
be
significant
on
the
state
or
local
or
national
level,
and
that
it
has
integrity
and
that
the
property
must
be
an
adequate
physical
representation
of
its
past.
So
you
have
to
be
able
to.
You
know,
look
at
the
structure
and
sort
of
be
able
to
see
it
as
it
was
at
the
point
in
time
in
which
it
achieved
its
significance.
F
We
evaluate
that
on
these
these
particular
facets
of
Integrity
the
location,
design,
setting
materials,
workmanship,
feeling
and
Association.
They
don't
always
all
apply
to
a
particular
property.
Some
are
you
know
more
relevant
than
others.
For
example,
you
know
a
bridge
out
of
its
setting.
Its
original
setting
is
sometimes
not
considered
to
be
not
no
longer
considered
to
be
historically
significant.
F
If
you
know,
for
example,
it's
been
moved
from
one
location
to
another,
but
if
it's
significant
still
for
its
engineering,
you
may
be
still
be
able
to
see
that
in
its
design
of
materials.
F
Thank
you.
So
these
specific
criteria,
then
that
we
sort
of
allude
to
in
the
the
previous
part
of
the
ordinance
there
is
that
I'm
not
going
to
read
all
these
word
for
word.
But
there
are
four
of
them,
one,
two
three
and
four
in
our
local
ordinance
and
they
relate
or
directly
taken
from
the
national
register
of
historic
places,
criteria,
a
b,
c
and
d.
So.
F
F
The
third
is
talking
about
characteristics
of
a
tight
period,
method
of
construction,
a
work
of
a
master,
something
with
high
artistic
values,
or
that
represent
a
distinguishable
entity
whose
components
May
lack
individual
distinction,
which
would
be
a
district.
That's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
significance,
categories
that
are
sort
of
lumped
into
one
criteria,
but
when
we
look
at
that,
it's
helps
us
to.
F
F
The
previous
two
categories,
events
and
lives
of
persons
significant-
then
you
kind
of
get
into
some
of
these
other
areas
of
significance,
though,
that
come
up
frequently
such
as
such
as
Commerce
or
industry,
Communications
economics.
These
are
more
non-tangible,
I,
guess
areas
for
which
something
May.
F
Sorry
I
lost
my
trade-a-thon
non-tangible
areas,
for
which
something
may
I'll
come
back
to
that
when
we
get
to
the
slide
on
it
all
right
and
then
finally,
number
four
is
the
criteria.
There's
four
items
that
have
yielded
or
maybe
likely
to
yield
information
in
pre-history
or
history,
and
this
particular
criteria
specifically
is-
is
most
specifically
used
to
relate
to
archaeological
sites.
F
The
code
before
we
go
back
and
talk
about
those
criteria
a
little
more
specifically.
The
code
goes
on
to
state
that,
in
addition
to
those
criteria,
the
HPC
and
city
council
shall
consider
the
following
factors
for
designation
and
those
are
regarding
owner
support
and
economic
hardship.
Typically,
we
do
not
bring
something
before
you
without
owner
support
is
something
we
do
like
to
have
and
in
hand
before
we
before
we
get
this
far
in
the
process.
F
This
is
the
one
of
the
cigar
factories
in
West
Tampa.
Here,
the
Savannah
Brothers
yeah
Baron
Morgan
cigar
Factory.
F
So
back
to
the
back
to
the
eligibility
criteria
themselves,
the
first
one
event
so
association
with
events
that
have
made
a
broad
contribution
and
that
made
significant
contributions
to
the
broad
patterns
of
our
history.
So
this
might
be
a
significant
event,
marking
an
important
moment
in
history
or
a
pattern
of
events
or
historic
Trend.
That's
made
a
contribution
to
the
development
of
the
Community,
State
or
Nation.
F
So
examples
might
be
the
downtown
district
representing
a
Town's
growth
as
the
commercial
focus
of
the
surrounding
area,
so
that
would
be
sort
of
a
business
and
economic
significance.
F
Another
example
might
be:
districts
are
kind
of
easy
when
you're
looking
at
a
event's,
Community,
Planning
Development
would
be
an
area
where
you
would
look
at
an
area
of
significance.
You
would
consider
industry,
for
example,
Ybor
City
Historic
District
is
significant
for
its
association
with
the
cigar
industry
that
on
which
you
know,
gave
Tampa
its
economic
base,
and
you
know
led
to
its
booming
growth
in
the
1890s
so
also
locally.
F
We
have
the
North
Franklin
Street,
downtown,
multiple
properties
listing
which
is
a
collection
of
buildings
along
this
Corridor
that
was
originally
the
central
business
district
of
downtown,
leading
up
from
about
where
City
Hall
is
about,
where
we
are
here
today
toward
Tampa,
Heights
and
I
believe
we
have
12
buildings
that
are
locally
designated
as
part
of
this
grouping.
F
So
designation
eligibility
criteria
two
or
B,
if
you're
looking
at
the
national
register
criteria
or
person,
associations
with
persons
of
lives
significant
in
our
past.
So
these
would
be
people
whose
activities
can
be
specifically
identified
and
documented
and
whose
activities
are
demonstrably
important
are
properties
that
illustrate
a
person's
important
achievements.
F
On
that
second
example,
the
studio
would
be
aim
if
you're
looking
at
the
historic
context
of
you
know
the
art
and
the
artist,
the
studio
would
probably
be
a
more
significant
place
than
the
artist's
home,
because
the
studio
would
be
where
the
art
itself
was
created
so
locally.
We
have
quite
a
few
designated
historic
landmarks
that
are
associated
with
significant
people.
F
In
our
past
we
have
the
babes
a
Harris
golf
course
in
the
north
end
of
our
city,
the
Dr
Jacob
white
senior
house,
that
was
a
the
home
of
one
of
the
city's
first
African-American
doctors,
the
George
Guida
senior
House
in
West
Tampa,
the
Peter
o'night
Cottage
Mr
Knight,
was
pretty
big
in
the
early
development
of
the
city.
He
was
a
sort
of
a
involved
in
a
booster
I.
Guess
it's
a
good
way
to
put
it
yeah.
He
was.
F
So
when
we're
looking
at
a
number
three,
the
Third
designation
criteria,
3
or
C
in
the
National
register,
we're
looking
at
design
and
construction
primarily,
so
these
properties
would
need
to
embody
the
specific
distinctive
characteristics
of
a
type
period
or
method
of
construction,
represent
the
work
of
a
master,
possess,
High
artistic
values
or
represent
a
significant
distinguishable
entity
whose
components
May
lack
individual
distinction.
I
think
I've
said
that
a
couple
of
times
so
examples
would
be
buildings
that
are
excellent
representations
of
a
style
of
architecture.
F
What
we
have
designated
these
are
some
more
examples
like
I
mentioned,
the
Tampa
theater
for
its
artistic
value
and
its
architecture,
the
First
Federal
Savings
and
Loan
Association,
building
downtown
significant
for
its
architectural
style.
It's
one
of
the
few
International
style
buildings
that
we
have
in
this
area:
the
bridges
over
the
Hillsborough
River.
These
are
all
movable
bascual
Bridges.
Well,
not
all
of
them
are
basketball.
Sorry,
they're,
all
movable
Bridges,
the
Hillsborough
Avenue
is
a
vertical
lift.
Bridge.
F
F
F
Significant,
is,
you
know
the
buildings
that
we
have
in
that
grouping
are
significant
as
part
of
the
planned
development
and
they're
all
of
in
the
meditate
rating
and
Revival
Spanish
style
buildings,
and
then
the
Hyde
Park
historic
district
has
a
high
number
of
highly
designed
houses
that
represent
different
different
styles
of
architecture,
but
they
are
all
grouped
together
as
sort
of
significance
as
being
part
of
where
the
many
people
significant
in
the
city
of
Tampa,
where
they
lived
during
its
early
years
and
through
the
1930s.
F
So
number
four
or
D
in
the
National
register
that
criteria,
which
is
information
potential,
really
it's
something
that
has
yielded
or
may
be
likely
to
yield
information
important
in
prehistory
or
history.
So,
as
I
said,
this
is
typically
reserved
for
archaeological
sites
and
a
good
way
to
sort
of
evaluate.
F
If
something
is
a
significant
archaeological
site
is
to
see
think
about
whether
it
can
answer
certain
research
questions,
so
examples
would
be
a
site
consisting
of
a
village
occupation
with
mid
deposits,
Hearth,
Ceramics
and
stratified
evidence
of
several
occupations
or
an
irrigation
system
significant
for
information
that
may
yield
on
early
engineering
practices.
F
One
of
this
fort
Brook,
which
is
the
area
in
downtown
South
of
Whiting
Street
Fort
Brook,
was
the
original
sort
of
Western
occupation
site
of
the
of
the
Tampa
area,
and
it
was
a
Outpost
during
these
the
seminal
wars
in
the
early
1800s.
F
It's
the
area
south
of
Whiting
Street,
and
that
entire
area
is
considered
to
be
one
very
large
archaeological
site
because
of
the
habitation
in
that
area.
The
fort
itself
included
everything
from
barracks
and
Quartermasters
buildings
to
stables
and
cemeteries.
So
there
was
quite
a
variety
of
structures
and
sites
and
buildings
within
the
fort
and
this
area,
while
not
listed
in
the
National
register
or
listed
locally
as
a
historic
property,
is
still
considered
to
be
a
very
sensitive
archaeological
site,
and
it
is
when
there's
development
in
this
area.
F
It's
required
that
a
cultural
resource
study
occur
so
that
any
items
that
turn
up
during
construction
can
be
properly
cataloged
and
retained,
if
necessary.
F
B
G
F
Unfortunately,
I
think
a
lot
of
the
early
evidence
was
sort
of
I
guess
damaged
in
the
early
habitation
years
by
the
by
the
fort
occupants.
F
There
was
a
significant
midden
at
the
about
where
the
around
Channelside
in
that
area
I
believe
a
lot
of
it's
was
primarily
a
Shellman
if
I
remember
correctly,
and
a
lot
of
it's
was
used
for
Paving
leveling
out
property
in
the
early
early
development
years,
and
there
are
some
burials
of
the
Native
Americans
who
were
either
traded
with
the
fort
or
were
processed
through
the
area
as
part
of
the
seminal
Wars.
G
You
know
so
one
of
the
things
that
I
always
I
would
say
struggled
with
is
the
you
know
when
decisions
are
made,
particularly
in
historic
districts.
You
know
the
city
has
multiple
historic
districts
and
when
we
take
a
look
at
decisions
that
we
have
to
make
about
these
districts,
for
example
demolishing
buildings
or
allowing
that
demolition
of
the
building,
which
is
very
significant,
you
know
once
it's
gone,
it's
gone
it
can't
it
cannot
come
back.
G
It
I
always
have
to
look
at
the
context.
What
was
the
reason
why
this
particular
historic
district
was
designated
versus
that
one?
Because
they're,
not
this,
you
have
to
think
the
story
ties
back
to
the
reason
why
so
example
Hyde
Park
classically
it's
a
period
of
significance
was
1890
to
1930s,
and
that
was
the
height
of
development
in
Tampa,
even
even
during
the
Depression,
and
so
that's
why
those
buildings
are
important
as
a
group,
but
it's
one
of
the
biggest
in
the
in
the
country
that
still
has
that
kind
of
preservation.
G
G
Secondly,
50
years.
So
that
means
anything
before
1972
is
eligible
for
consideration
at
this
point
correct
and
that's
something
that
I
always
look
at
as
well,
because
I
think
everything
that's
should
be
preserved
is
really
old,
but
in
fact
the
line
has
moved
to
1972
that's
50
years
ago.
So
it's
anything
that
was
done
in
the
30s
40s
50s
60s.
Even
earlier,
70s
is
technically
eligible
for
consideration
based
on
the
guidelines
and
then
the
last
one
is
a
question
which
is:
can
we
get
an
update
on
the
I'm
going
to
call
it?
G
The
first
watch
building
because
I
can't
remember
the
name
of
the
building
here
in
downtown,
where,
as
a
owners
wanted
to
demolish
the
building
and
put
a
condo
Tower,
is
there
an
update
on
that
and
when,
just
where
is
it
in
the
process?
I
just
haven't
kept
up.
E
Good
morning
Dennis
Fernandez
architecture,
review
and
historic
preservation
manager.
We
we
had
significant
discussions
with
the
property
owners
and
their
legal
representation,
and
there
is
a
legal
settlement
that
was
entered
into
and
I.
Think
we'll
I'll
need
to
provide
you
information.
There
was
a
separate
attorney
that
was
a
assigned
to
that.
So
for
that
particular
item,
I'd
rather
kind
of
table
that
to
our
next
meeting,
so
I
can
coordinate
with
them
and
give
you
the
accurate
information,
because
it's
obviously
very
complicated
issue
and
how
your
chair
is
very
aware
of.
E
This
she's
was
involved
in
some
of
the
discussions
internally
when
we
were
essentially
kind
of
under
a
sealed
environment
with
the
with
a
topic.
So,
commissioner,.
E
Certainly
it's
it's
a
it's
public.
It's
just
I
want
to
make
sure
I
have
the
facts
correct
before
I
bring
them
to
you.
Okay,
I
did
want
to
just
add
on
a
little
bit
about
the
the
envelope
of
the
designation
criteria
and
when
we
bring
you
proposals,
you
know.
E
Typically,
the
scenario
is
for
local,
the
local
designation
process
that
we're
either
receiving
an
application
from
an
individual
property
owner,
or
maybe
a
neighborhood
association
that
is
seeking
to
protect
or
to
recognize
a
historic
resource
or
the
city
might
be
actually
initiating.
E
You
know
feeling
that
in
a
particular
type
of
property
or
period
may
be
underrepresented,
and
so
we're
actually
more
self-initiating
those
type
of
considerations,
but
when
we
do
that,
we
try
to
consider
the
the
history
of
how
our
local
boards
have
approached
criteria
for
designation
and
to
keep
that
consistent
and
I
think
number
one
it
it's
sort
of
logical
that
you
want
to.
You
know
if,
if
a
property,
let's
say
in
downtown,
was
eligible
for
its
contribution
to
Commerce
that
another
property,
maybe
a
block
away,
might
have
that
similar
eligibility.
E
E
We
sometimes
have
to
work
with
the
property
owner
or
the
party
and
sort
of
flushing
those
different
types
of
things
out,
but
when
we
bring
that
to
you,
there's
obviously
room
for
discussion,
we've
had
properties
where
you
know
the
commission
has
wanted
us
to
kind
of
take
another
look
and
expand
upon
the
criteria
and
I
think
that's
that's
a
good
thing,
because
if
you
have
a
building
that
has
multiple
points
of
significance,
it's
obviously
has
more
of
a
historical
Integrity
that
should
be
recognized
and
protected.
E
So
you
know
internally
there's
a
lot
of
discussion
with
staff.
When
we
you
know
we
have
these
applications
before
us
in
making
sure
that
sort
of
the
the
history
of
our
program
is
is
implemented
for
future
properties.
Another
sort
of
unique
component
of
District
designations
is
that
you
have
within
the
district.
E
We
deal
you
know
with
our
programs,
we
kind
of
deal
with
segments
sometimes
of
it,
but
just
be
assured
that
once
you're
done
with
your
charge
and
preserving
properties
that
there's
a
whole
other
component
out
there.
That's
ensuring
that
the
Integrity
of
those
properties
are
maintained.
You
know
well
into
the
future.
C
Yes,
I
think
our
struggle,
some
of
our
struggles,
have
been
not
so
much
when
properties
are
within
a
district,
but
in
these
individual
properties
that
are
not
in
a
district
and
I
thought.
It
was
worth
talking
about.
Commissioner,
Sue
Kraus,
the
first
item,
the
50-year,
because
I
have
a
a
different
perspective
on
that
or
a
different,
maybe
interpretation,
I,
think
I.
C
Think
a
lot
of
people
characterize
the
50
Years,
first
of
all,
as
a
as
a
rule
or
that
anything
the
deers
are
over
can
be
considered,
and
to
me
it's
that
first
of
all
anything
built
yesterday
could
be
considered.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
50
years
old,
the
community
and
and
and
on
the
opposite
side.
Just
because
it's
50
the
age
is
not
the
first
criteria
or
the
most
important
in,
in
my
opinion,
so
saying
that
anything
over
50
years
can
be
considered.
Well,
yes,
but
really
it's
the
other
factors
that
should
wait.
C
C
That's
what
brings
it
to
the
Forefront
and
and
in
the
community
I
worked
in
before
the
the
human
genome
was
discovered
or
written
or
whatever
the
formula
was
it's
actually
in
City
Hall
on
the
on
the
wall
within
the
city
limits
in
you
know
a
19,
60s,
cruddy
office
building
so
and
much
more
recently,
you
know
in
the
in
the
90s
so
frankly,
more
significant
than
anything
else
in
this
jurisdiction
and
that
to
me
the
fact
that
you
know
who
cares
if
the
building
was
built
yesterday
or
in
the
60s.
C
That
was
the
significant
issue
and
worthy
of
designation,
even
if
it
was
in
a
brand
new
building
that
that
company
had
just
built-
and
maybe
it
wasn't
the
building-
maybe
it
was
the
site.
Maybe
you
know
there
was
a
different
way
of
handling
it,
but
the
significance
was
not
the
age
and
I
think
in
a
lot
of
communities,
including
that
one
they
actually
thought
by
taking
the
50-year
rule
out
that
was
actually
written
into
the
code.
They
took
it
out
so
that
anything
could
be
designated
well.
C
Anything
can
be
designate
any
ear
year
can
be.
That's
not
the
number
one
criteria
and
I
think
just
because
it's
old
doesn't
mean
that
it's
worthy
of
designation
and
I.
Think
that's
where
you
know.
Maybe
my
vote
has
come
down
differently.
They're,
good
examples
that
are
old
and
they're
good,
bad
examples
that
are
old
and
there
are
good
examples
that
are
less
than
50
years
that
are
worthy
of
designation
and
then
not
so
much
so
I
I
I.
Think
for
me,
the
age
is
is
way
less
significant
than
all
the
other
criteria.
G
If
I
could
respond,
I
think
that
the
50-year
is
just
simply
a
benchmark.
It's
certainly
not
a
Line
in
the
Sand
and
I
agree
with
you
just
because
it's
50
years
or
older
doesn't
mean
that
it's
in
any
way,
historically
significant,
and
obviously
we
can
look
at
events
you
can
look
at,
for
example,
in
your
case,
the
genome.
That
was
an
actual
event
that
occurred
so
something
culturally
occurred.
So
that
would
be
the
significance,
not
the
building
or
the
drywall
or
the
letter,
or
anything
like
that.
G
G
Just
one
of
the
nice
things
about
the
fact
that
the
guidelines
do
I
mean
sorry,
the
code
does
allow
for
different
kinds
of
designation.
I.
Think
one
of
the
things,
though,
about
I,
think
contributing
and
non-contributing
is
a
very
sticky
point,
but
those
those
determinations
are
not
made
by
this
board
they're
made
by
the
professional
staff,
and
so
when
something
comes
to
us
and
in
their
opinion,
if
they
think
it's
contributing
it's
my
personal
opinion
that
I
have
to
rely
on
the
staff,
research
and
Analysis.
G
Whoever
made
that
first
determination,
which
usually
those
determinations
are
made
right
when
something
is
designated.
So
in
the
case
of
Hyde
Park,
there
would
have
been
25
at
least
25
years
ago,
when
those
studies
would
have
been
done.
So
that's
when
it
gets
very
complicated
because
what
I
might
consider
contributing
you
might
not
consider
contributing
or
the
third
person
but
on
the
map.
That's
the
legal
designation
of
the
property
I
mean
they're
in
color,
even
sometimes
on
the
same
property.
G
The
accessory
structure
will
be
considered
non-contributing,
but
the
main
house
is
contributing,
so
it
even
gets
even
more
complicated.
But
that's
all
I
have
to
say.
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
presentation.
It's
always
nice
to
get
a
refresher
as
to
what
we're
supposed
to
be
looking
at
when
we're
looking
at
these
very
complicated
things.
D
Oh,
thank
you
so
I
wanted
to
thank
you,
Elaine
and
thank
you
Dennis
too,
for
the
clarification
just
like
how
the
properties
are
considered
and
all
the
stuff
that
happens
before
it
comes
to
our
table,
to
vote
on,
and
even
afterwards
with
the
architectural
Advisory,
Board
and
yeah
I.
Think
it's
good
just
to
have
the
refresher
on
it
and
I
think
for
me
it's
really.
It
always
boils
down
to
Integrity
like
First
Watch.
D
It's
like
okay,
it's
associated
with
the
significant
art
person,
the
architect
right,
there's
a
few
examples
of
his
buildings
in
Tampa,
but
the
building
itself
is
super
standard.
So
it's
like
what
else?
What
other
criteria
is
it
well
yeah?
You
could
do
the
50.
and
I
think
you
only
need
to
have
two
or
three:
is
it
two
one.
D
Okay,
so
like
I
I
would
yeah
I
would
definitely
say
it
needs
to
be
like
more
than
just
the
50-year
mark,
though,
and
then
it's
like
okay,
what
is
the
Integrity
of
the
building?
What
condition
are
they
getting?
It.
E
D
It's
like
stuff
like
that,
because
I
the
boards
are
still
and
the
commissions
are
checks
and
balances,
because
sometimes
you
can
have
a
you,
can
designate
an
area
and
and
like
leave
off
a
building
that
is
contributing.
Somebody
has
to
come
down
the
line
and
say
hey
how
come
you
left
this
building
off,
which
we
had
that
situation?
D
That
happened.
So
it's
it's
all
like.
We
all
rely
on
each
other,
I
guess
to
make
proper
informed
decisions
on
what
is
best
going
forward.
So
I'm
really
grateful
that
you
presented
it
because
it's
it
seems
simple
sometimes,
but
then
it's
not.
You
know
until
we
have
it
flush
it
out
and
look
at
it
to
see
what
how
we
should
go
forward,
but
the
hope
is
to
always
make
the
best
decision,
of
course,
for
the
building
and
just
for
the
City
of
Tampa,
so
that
we
can
have
the
resources
going
forward.
D
E
E
B
I
would
like
to
bring
up
for
discussion,
while
my
time
in
East,
Tampa
I
noticed
that
East
Tampa
was
not
a
historic
district
and
meeting
with
different
neighborhood
associations
and
members
in
the
community.
There
were
some
significant
periods
in
East
Tampa,
so
I
wanted
to
see.
What
could
the
commission
do
to
kind
of
have
that
conversation
bring
in
the
neighborhood
associations
and
bring
in
discussion
on
how
East
Tampa
can't
be
forgotten
for
their
significance
of
the
city
of
Tampa
East
Tampa
is
actually
situated
in
the
heart
of
Tampa,
but
unfortunately
the
neighborhood.
B
That
area
has
been
marginalized.
It's
been
blighted
and
a
lot
of
the
original
sites
were
neglected
and
therefore
you
know
demolished
so
I
wanted
to
discuss
with
the
commission
and
also
staff
to
see
how
we
could
kind
of
bring
that
part
of
Tampa
up
to
parts
and
see
if
maybe
that
area
can
be
a
historic
district.
As
stated
throughout
the
the
designation
criteria,
overview
of
Dr
Jacob
white
senior,
the
first
African
practitioner,
his
his
home,
is,
was
preserved
by
I
believe
in
2004
in
East
Tampa.
B
Unfortunately,
a
lot
of
people
do
not
know
about
that,
but
there
are
other
significant
establishments
in
that
area.
So
I
would
like
to
see
if
the
commission
can
start
the
process
of
engaging
the
community
connecting
with
the
local
historians.
I
know,
I
went
over
to
the
east,
Tampa
Business,
Association
or
civic
association,
and
they
had
a
wealth
of
history
that
could
be
shared
and
preserved.
So.
E
C
E
Commissioner
Cobb,
what
it
would
I
know
you're
very
involved
in
in
East
Tampa,
and
you
said
on
a
number
of
committees
there.
What
do
you
feel
is
the
most
effective
method
to
kind
of
gauge.
You
know
the
what
properties
perhaps
might
be
valued
as
being
historically
important
in
that
area?
Do
you
think
it
would
be
working
through
the
neighborhood
associations
or
a
particular
organization.
B
No
I
think
it
should
be
done
as
a
collective,
because,
again,
East
Tampa
doesn't
really
have
the
designation
and
it's
not
a
district.
So
there's
a
collective
of
neighborhood
association,
but
there's
also
a
collection
of
non-representation,
so
I
I
would
ask
that
the
staff
could
probably
well
I
can
work
with
you
all,
but
I
ask
that
the
staff
could
kind
of
formulate
where
to
start,
because
it's
not
just
the
neighborhood
association.
It's
also
how
do
I
say
Parks
and
Rec.
B
It's
a
lot
of
things
that
are
significant,
for
instance,
the
baseball
field,
that's
on
22nd
and
MLK.
That
is
a
very
prolific
area
for
you
know
the
sports
arena
area,
I'm.
Sorry,
the
sports
arena
in
baseball.
You
know
history,
so.
E
B
Is
something
that
I
believe
should
be
preserved
or
talked
about?
So
it's
not
just
one
a
particular
group
I
think
it
should
be
a
collective
of
the
city
and
and
kind
of
having
I
want
to
say
a
meeting,
but
it's
a
lot.
That's
going
on
in
East,
Tampa
and
I
feel
like
with
all
the
new
development.
A
lot
of
our
history
is
going
to
be
gone.
A
lot
of
the
stories
are
not
going
to
be
told.
B
A
lot
of
the
plaques
are
not
going
to
be
out
while
people
you
know,
East
Tampa
is
becoming
very
walkable,
and
I
would
like
to
see
some
of
that
history
on
the
walkways
of
22nd.
So
it's
not
just
I,
don't
think
neighborhood
association
I
think
it
should
be
a
collective
of
different
Partnerships.
E
Okay,
well,
let
let
us
kind
of
examine
that
and
bring
that
back
to
you
at
a
future
meeting.
I
think
you
know
there's
some
individuals
that
I
I
know
of
that
would
be
beneficial
to
that
discussion
as
well
as
yourself,
and
if
you
know,
if
we
need
to
move
it
to
a
more
formalized
kind
of
creation
of
a
subcommittee,
we
can
certainly
do
that
at
a
future
hearing,
but
I
think
preliminarily.