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A
Okay,
the
staff
report
alleges
that
this
property
can
be
rehabilitated
with
rehabilitated,
in
accordance
with
the
secretary
of
interior
standards
for
rehabilitation
using
physical
and
photographic
evidence
to
support
its
assertion.
That
assertion
is
not
correct.
A
The
secretary
of
interior
standards
for
rehabilitation
concludes
with
the
par
starts,
with
a
paragraph
and
concludes
with
a
sentence
before
it
goes
through.
The
10
10
points
of
us
code
saying
the
following:
standards
are
to
be
applied
to
specific
rehabilitation
projects
in
a
reasonable
manner,
taking
into
account
economic
and
technical
feasibility.
A
I
have
enclosed
here
an
inspection
report
here
and
that's
part
of
this
package
that
I'm
going
to
submit
as
part
of
the
record
here,
that
the
walls
and
ceilings
and
floors
are
constructed
by
lath
and
plaster
walls,
so
that
no
cavity
space
was
left
for
mechanical
plumbing
and
electrical
systems
and
components
to
be
installed
and
brought
up
to
code.
Unquote,
that's
why
you
see
all
that
plumbing
and
conduit
on
the
outside
and
the
insides
of
the
buildings.
There
is
no
room
to
run
any
of
this.
A
A
So
here
we're
going
to
summarize
the
proof
here.
The
evidence
clearly
shows
that
my
property
does
not
meet
the
code
criteria
for
a
contributing
designation.
Nor
does
it
meet
the
criteria
for
the
nrb15
that
the
staff
report
cited.
This
is
what
the
staff
report
cited
nrb15
and
they
did
so
because
of
the
code
section
27-261,
subsection
261.
A
Unlike
this,
though,
that
spells
out
what
contributing
and
non-contributing
are
clearly,
the
hrb
does
not
do
so
in
60
pages
of
text,
and
I
have
the
the
pdf
on
on
file.
I
can
submit
as
evidence
as
well
if
we
do
a
simple
keyword,
search
for
the
word
contributing
being
the
operative
term,
because
that's
what
we're
deciding
here
today,
whether
the
property
is
contributing
or
whether
it
is
non-contributing
the
word
contributing,
comes
up
in
that
60-page
document.
Only
three
times
two
of
those
are
extraneous
hits.
A
Fourth,
the
staff
reports
and
states
that
the
additional
initial
designation
was
based
on
a
function
of
reversibility.
Once
again,
that's
the
wrong
legal
standard
that
was
applied.
Third
major
bullet
bayshore,
1801,
bayshore
property
mirrors.
My
case
and
four
specific
examples
and
the
arc's
legal
routing
ruling
per
the
code
centered
on
the
remedial
natures
of
those
changes.
A
Lastly,
the
secretary
of
interior
standards
for
rehabilitation
as
sound
as
they
are
cannot
be
applied
here
because
of
the
technical
and
economic
phys
feasibilities,
the
economic
being
subordinate
to
the
technical
feasibility.
In
this
case,
the
property
cannot
be
rehabilitated,
as
the
staff
report
asserts.
A
A
So
they're
still
bound
hpc
we're
all
still
bound
by
this
code,
so
section
two
subsection
261
does
not
replace,
supersede
or
obviate
this
code
at
all
either.
So,
even
though,
under
the
code
provisions
is
going
to
consider
the
nrb
here,
number
15,
that
doesn't
mean
that
this
has
been
obviated.
So
then
that
begs
a
couple
of
interesting
questions
now.
A
As
I
said
before,
the
word
contributing
the
operative
phrase
and
the
term
that
we're
going
to
be
using
in
this
discussion
and
decision
is
only
mentioned
three
times
and
the
one
time
that
it's
mentioned
in
context.
It
supports
a
non-contributing
position,
but
moreover,
one
is
left
to
ask
the
question:
are
there
two
two
competing
criterias
by
which
we
judge
contributing
and
non-contributing
properties?
A
A
B
I
have
a
brief
presentation
that
I'm
going
to
use
along
with
this,
along
with
my
staff
report
that
you
received
in
your
packets.
So
let
me
go
to
that.
B
B
B
The
aerial
map,
at
the
top
of
your
screen,
shows
where
the
property
is
located
at
the
north
northwest
corner
of
desoto
avenue
and
hills
avenue
and
at
the
bottom
of
the
screen
you
can
see
the
view
primarily
looking
at
hills
avenue
here.
That's
the
the
shorter
side
of
the
property
and
desoto
avenue
is
the
longer
side
of
the
property.
B
The
1922
sanborn
company
map
showed
the
building
it's
sort
of
outlined
in
a
blue
there
on
their
screen
and
then
on
the
map
picture.
B
You
can
see
that
the
dashed
lines
sort
of
indicate
where
there
are
openings,
so
you
can
see
that
the
porch
shown
in
yellow
on
the
first
story
at
this.
The
bottom
corner
is
open
on
two
sides
and
then
the
second
story.
Wood
frame
structure
appears
to
have
some
openings
in
it
as
well,
indicating
that
it
may
have
been
partially
open
to
the
elements
which
was
commonly
seen
when,
as
part
of
a
structure
was
used
as
a
sleeping,
porch
or
sleeping
room
toward
the
back
of
the
structure.
There's
an
indication
that
there's
auto
storage.
B
B
So
if
we
zoom
in
a
little
bit
closer,
we
can
see
the
subject
property
in
question,
and
this
is
the
same
photo
that
mr
blackwood
showed
in
his
presentation
so
depending
on
how
well
you
can
see
that
on
your
screens,
it
does
appear
here,
as
it
did
on
the
1922
sanborn
map,
that's
primarily
a
one-story
building
with
a
second
story
structure
in
the
at
the
center
at
its
center.
B
You
can
make
out
the
the
openings
where
the
front
porch
is
on
the
southwest
corner
of
the
building
and
clearly
see
that
there's
no
second
story
directly
above
the
porch
at
that
time
or
along
the
front
of
the
building.
At
that
time,.
B
This
is
the
1931
sanborn
company
map
showing
the
property
in
question
outlined
in
blue
there.
You
can
see
on
it
that
it's
clarified
where
the
auto
storage
is
it's
in
the
portion
of
the
original
portion
of
the
the
clay
tile
building.
B
There's
now
an
addition,
a
wood
frame
addition
on
the
rear
of
the
building
there's
another
building
on
the
property,
a
one-story
garage
located
to
the
northwest
of
the
house
and
the
second
story
structure
appears
to
have
expanded
toward
the
toward
the
front.
So
it
looks
like
that
second
story:
wood
frame
section
has
been
brought
forward
toward
hills,
avenue.
B
B
B
These
are
the
present
day
photos.
The
property
appears
to
be
on
the
desoto
elevation,
not
substantially
different
from
how
it
appeared
in
the
1984
photo,
except
that
the
garage
for
the
auto
storage
toward
the
rear
of
the
property
has
been
enclosed,
and
you
can
see
a
couple
of
paired
windows
there
where
the
garage
door
opening
was
previously.
B
Second
story
has
been
expanded
all
the
way
across
the
front
of
the
first
story
there,
and
you
can
see
the
the
stairs
to
the
right
there
that
mr
blackwood
discussed
in
his
presentation.
B
Moving
around
to
the
east
elevation
of
the
building
again,
the
the
front
of
the
building
here
are
the
hills,
avenue
sides
to
your
left
and
you
can
see
the
second
story
edition
over
the
original
first
story
and
the
this
stair
addition
on
that
side
and
then
the
bottom
right
picture
shows
the
north
elevation
or
the
rear
of
the
property
or
the
other
rear
of
the
property.
B
B
B
But
reversible
the
nomination
report
for
the
national
register
listed
hyde
park,
historic
district
provided
the
following
definition
of
the
of
a
of
altered,
but
contributing
structures.
It
was
one
in
which
the
structure
has
undergone
alterations,
inconsistent
with
its
original
character
or
one
in
which
appropriate,
inappropriate
materials
have
been
used,
but
which
retains
most
of
its
original
visual
character
and
can
be
returned
with
reasonable
effort
and
costs
to
approximately
its
historic
form
altered,
but
contributing
covers
a
lot
of
territory,
but
some
guidelines
are
fairly
evident.
B
The
removal
or
covering
of
original
exterior
siding,
is
considered
a
serious
alteration.
This
is
true
even
when
the
new
material,
aluminum
vinyl
visually
approximates
the
original
material
weatherboard.
This
alteration,
in
particular
concerns
itself
with
short-term
benefits,
to
the
detriment
of
the
original
fabric
of
the
building
enclosing
porches.
The
removal
of
decorative
architectural
features
features
wholesale
replacement
of
windows.
The
construction
of
non-conforming
additions
all
generally
cause
a
building
to
be
later
be
labeled
as
altered.
B
It
has
to
be
evident,
however,
that
these
changes
are
remedial
in
order
to
gain
the
designation
altered,
but
contributing
rather
than
non-contributing
altered,
but
contributing
buildings
are
considered
certifiable
as
contributing
to
the
district
under
the
tax
program,
and
I
believe
that
refers
to
the
the
federal
tax
credit
program
in
1988
the
city
of
tampa
designated
hyde
park
as
a
local,
historic
district.
B
B
B
B
And
then
by
2017,
the
adopted
map
for
the
local
hyde
park.
Historic
district
shows
the
contributing
structures
in
gray
and
the
non-contributing
structures
in
white.
B
B
It
was
identified
in
the
initial
1985
doc
nomination
for
the
national
register,
listed
hyde
park,
historic
district,
and
it
was
called
out
then,
as
a
contributing
but
altered
structure
on
the
local
designation,
adopting
ordinance
map.
It
was
shown
as
a
contributing
structure
for
the
local
historic
district.
B
There
have
been
alterations
to
the
two
prima
primary
elevations
since
1985,
when
it
was
initially
evaluated
for
the
national
register
historic
district,
except
for
the
enclosure
of
the
garage,
the
all
the
major
alterations
were
in
place
along
the
sorry
along
the
desoto
avenue
elevation
and
the
hills
avenue
elevation.
Those
alterations
were
in
place
at
the
time
the
structure
was
originally
determined
to
be
contributing,
so
its
integrity
has
been
maintained.
At
the
same
level,
the
staff
recommends
as
no
alterations.
B
B
Your
action
today,
as
is
to
move,
to
approve
or
deny
the
request
to
change
the
status
of
1314
south
desoto
avenue
from
contributing
to
non-contributing
the.
B
To
review
the
the
provided
evidence
and
to
use
national
register
bulletin
15
to
determine
the
whether
the
building
should
be
changed
in
its
from
its
current
status,
so
staff
has
provided
some
information
from
national
register
bulletin
15
and
your
staff
report.
The
applicant
provided
additional
information
from
national
register
bulletin
15.
D
D
Okay
hi,
my
name
is
patrick
cimino.
I
live
at
604
south
oregon
avenue.
I
am
speaking
on
three
wearing
three
hats
today,
as
I
speak,
I'm
the
vice
president
of
historic
hyde
park,
neighborhood
association,
I'm
also
presenting
a
letter
from
the
spanish
town,
creek
neighborhood
association,
and
I
will
speak
very
briefly
as
a
homeowner.
D
Basically,
the
the
hyde
park,
neighborhood
association
at
spanish
town
creek
support,
maintaining
the
contributing
nature
of
the
structure.
Hhpna's
board
voted
for
this,
because
the
weight
of
the
expert
and
substantial
evidence
has
weighed
in
on
this
over
decades.
As
it's
already
been
outlined,
it
came
through
with
the
initial
survey.
D
D
Basically,
spanish
town
creek
in
a
few
less
words
corroborates
that
same
position
as
a
long
time,
homeowner
in
hyde
park
of
three
historic
homes
doing
varying
renovations
on
all
of
them
all
contributing.
D
There
is
a
lot
of
modifications
that
have
happened
in
these
houses
over
the
years
and
if
that
criteria
was
absolute,
which
I
I
know
it
takes
a
lot
of
interpretation
and
it
does
take
experts
to
look
at.
We
would
not
have
very
many
contributing
structures
remaining,
so
we
do
have
to
look
beyond
a
lot
of
that
and
I
have
spent
way
more
money
on
my
houses
renovating
them
than
I
bought
them
for
even
at
high
inflated
prices
in
the
last
five
years.
D
E
Kamaria
pettis
mackel
from
the
city
attorney's
office.
I
apologize.
There
is
additional
information
from
the
property
owner.
If
you
could
just
have
a
motion
for
that
as
well
to
receive
and
file
his
information.
G
G
G
G
I
agree
with
the
gentleman
that
spoke
a
while
ago.
A
lot
of
renovations
have
to
be
made,
but
that
is
not
a
renovation
situation.
That
is
an
absolute
deterioration
project.
That
project
is
never
ever
going
to
be
any
better.
Unless
someone
comes
in
and
is
willing
to
put
the
time
and
the
money
into
it,
I'd
like
to
elaborate
on
all
the
ways
that
your
approval
of
this
plan
would
enhance
and
improve
our
neighborhood
my
little
corner
of
hyde
park,
but
I
won't
take
up
your
time.
G
G
E
Kamaria
pettis
mackel
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
the
property
owner,
is
allowed
to
have
a
five
minutes
of
rebuttal.
I'm
sorry.
E
E
Subsection
c
actually
subsection.
I
criteria
for
review
of
application.
The
criteria
to
be
applied
by
the
hpc
in
approving
or
not
approving,
an
application
filed
here
under
shall
be
the
criteria
set
forth
in
the
national
register,
bulletin
number
15
or
any
amendment
or
replacement
thereof.
E
So
please
consider
that
criteria
in
the
code
to
determine
whether
or
not
the
application
has
percentage
should
be
approved
or
not
approved.
C
E
Ask
questions
now,
but
if
you
have
questions
for
the
property
owner,
he
will
be
entitled
to
a
rebuttal
or
if
you
ask
questions
of
the
staff
that
he
will
be
entitled
to
rebuttal.
You
can
certainly
ask
questions
of
staff
or
the
applicant,
but
I
wouldn't
have
you
close.
The
public
hearing.
C
C
H
This
is
for
miss
lund.
Can
you
show
the
two
pictures
again
the
original
and
the
current.
H
H
I
thought
you
had
a
photo
showing
on
the
same
slide,
showing
the
original
home
elaine.
B
C
A
The
the
evidence
that
I
provided
in
my
original
application
disputes
that
present
use,
though
there's
two
ads
from
the
tampa
tribune,
one
from
1953
and
another
one
from
1959
advertising
apartments,
rental
units
for
rent.
C
Yeah,
those
are
pretty
much
unreadable
in
our
the
copy
that
we
received.
However,
it
appears
that
the
master
site
file
does
not
distinguish
between
single-family
or
multi-family.
It
simply
states
residential
and
that's
to
to
differentiate
it
from
a
commercial
property.
I
I
As
far
as
I
understand
it,
also,
for
example,
the
interior
of
the
property
only
matters
if
you're
going
after
secretary
of
the
interior
tax
credits,
so
the
local
designation,
all
we
look
at
is
the
exterior
of
the
structure
and
not
the
inside
of
the
structure.
So
that's
a
comment
and
a
question
and
then
I'm
going
to
follow
up
with
another
one
from
mr
blackwood.
A
Well,
I
provided
the
the
statement
from
the
inspector
there.
That
said,
there
was
insufficient
room
or
no
room
for
plumbing
electrical
mechanical
and
components
in
the
walls,
floors
or
ceilings.
A
It
was
built
out
of
concrete
covered
with
stucco
and
yes,
terracotta
block
is
interior,
it's
not
visible,
but
yes,
built
slab
on
grade
and
fairly
ironic.
The
the
pierce
family
that
built
it
had
a
role
in
the
turn
of
the
century
electrifying
parts
of
tampa
and
didn't
leave
sufficient
room
for
their
own
future
equipment
in
the
house.
I
Well,
as
as
somebody
who
renovates
a
lot
of
these
buildings,
what
we
often
do
on
the
inside
again
as
long
as
we're
not
going
after
the
secretary
interiors
tax
credits,
which
most
people
rarely
do,
because
the
standards
are
very
high,
as
you
know,
there's
certainly
the
ability
to
fur
out
interior
walls
and
ceilings.
A
That's
true-
and
I
I
looked
at
that-
and
I
considered
that,
because
my
original
intent
in
buying
this
through
you
know
whether
it's
informal
witness
or
formal
contractor
witness,
was
to
restore
it
to
bring
it
up,
etc.
But
it
was
only
appear
after
a
period
of
literally
years
of
kind
of
piecing
things
together
doing
a
formal
inspection
report
that
I
saw
that
it
was
not
only
impossible
and
unfeasible,
but
then
I
looked
further
into
its
actual
designation
and
status,
and
I
presented
the
evidence
that
I
did
but
to
your
point
about
firing
things
out.
A
There's
electrical
conduit
on
the
outside
of
the
building
on
the
inside
of
the
building
and
on
the
particular
the
most
restorable
components
might
be
the
front
of
the
house
that
electrical
conduit
is
all
running
on
the
outside
of
the
original
drywall
that
would
all
have
to
come
off.
We
would
have
to
pull
all
of
that
out.
That
would
bury
the
casings
of
all
of
those
windows.
A
We
could
you
know,
potentially
you
know,
and
I've
done
extensive
renovations,
so
I'm
not
adverse
to
breaking
my
wallet
on
this
stuff
to
do
what
is
right,
but
it
would
have
to
build
out
the
wall
and
then
have
probably
a
one
foot
window
sill
almost
to
enable
that
so
conceivably.
Yes,
anything
is
possible
on
that.
Just
like
anything
is
quote
reversible,
given
unlimited,
either
funds,
economic
or
or
even
reason,.
E
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Mario
pettis
mackel
from
the
city
attorney's
office
can
miss
lund
answer
the
questions
asked
by
the
board
regarding
what
is
considered
during
the
designation
process.
As
regarding
to
the
the
use
of
the
property
in
whether
or
not
for
the
local,
landmark
or
local
historic
district.
Is
there
any
consideration
of
the
interior
versus
exterior
components
of
the
residence.
B
Yes,
elaine
lund.
The
commissioner
was
right
on
both
points.
We
do
not
consider
use
when
determining
whether
or
not
a
building
physically
retains
its
architectural
integrity,
and
we
do
not
look
at
the
interior
of
the
structure.
We
only
consider
the
exteriors
unless
it
is
an
application
for
locally
for
an
ad
valorem
tax
credit.
J
Yes,
dominique
cobb,
I
have
a
question
in
regards
to
the
alteration
of
the
siding
and
the
inclusion
and
closure
of
the
carport
from
this
question
is
for
staff.
Is
there
any
type
of
permitting
that
can
be
found
for
that
change,
because
maybe
that
can
answer
when
it
was
changed
over
to
multi-family,
because
it
looks
as
though
that
those
sightings
were
changed
to
cover
the
second
structure,
the
addition
to
the
second
structure?
So
maybe,
if
do
you
have
any
of
those
permitting.
B
Elaine
lund,
during
the
research
that
I
did
for
the
permitted
activities
on
the
site,
the
only
permit
that
I
believe
that
I
found
was
for
the
exterior
stairwell
and
if
there
was
anything
else
I
would
have
done
included
that
in
the
staff
report.
So
just
let
me
check
that
real
quick
did
not
find
any
permit
records
on
the
enclosure
of
the
garage
or
anything
referencing
the
sighting.
B
A
And
in
reply
to
the
commissioner's
question,
the
the
card
port
or
that
garage
fill-in
simply
expanded
the
existing
apartment,
rental
space
that
that
space
existed
in
the
rear
bedroom
since
at
least
1953
and
the
enclosure
just
expanded.
That
further.
H
Yes,
miss
miss
lund.
Can
you
review
the
period
of
significance
again
and
and
show
us
the
the
photo
that
or
photos
that
comport
to
that.
B
Yes,
the
the
period
of
significance
for
the
hyde
park.
Historic
district
is
to
1886-1930,
so
anything
built
from
1886
to
1933
is
potentially
a
contributing
structure
in
the
district
and
then
I'm
sorry.
You
wanted
to
see
the
yeah.
B
H
B
Okay,
so
on
the
1922
sanborn
map,
you
can
see
the
structure
with
the
area.
That's
shown
in
red
or
pink.
Here
is
the
first
story.
B
That's
the
the
tile
construction
with
the
one
story
porch
shown
in
that
bottom
left
corner
of
the
structure
and
then
the
second
story,
wood
frame
area
at
the
center
of
the
building.
B
H
B
B
We
had
just
the
aerial
photograph
yeah.
H
H
I
I
guess
maybe
they
in
the
whole
district,
they
didn't,
they
didn't
identify
how
each
structure
contributed.
Did
they.
I
When,
when
the
period
of
significance
is
established,
we
know
that,
for
example,
in
this
case,
that
the
original
structure,
as
shown
in
the
photograph
in
1923,
had
a
second
story
unit,
but
it
certainly
appears
that
the
second
story,
what
we
are
calling
the
front
porch
the
faces
hills
was
was
not
there.
Is
that
correct.
F
I
Since
the
period
of
the
district's
significance,
secondly,
that
any
alterations
that
were
done
to
this
building,
including
that
that's
heinous
stairwell,
was
approved
by
the
arc
and
that
it
does
share
the
historic
association
of
this
district.
Is
that
correct.
B
The
alteration
the
major
alteration
to
this
building
since
its
initial
construction
being
the
expansion
of
the
second
story
across
the
hills,
avenue
elevation.
We
do
not
know
exactly
when
that
was
completed.
It
may
have
been
after
the
period
of
significance,
but
it
was
definitely
after
the
building
was
initially
found
to
be
contributing.
I
All
part
of
the
original
report
that
was
done
at
the
time,
and
so
the
building
in
its
entirety
was
considered
to
be
historically
significant,
meaning
because
that
porch
was
put
on
after
the
period
of
significance.
We
think
we
don't
know,
but
at
the
time
of
designation
in
the
1980s,
the
whole
thing,
including
that
front
second
story.
Porch
was
in
fact
part
of
the
designation,
correct.
I
B
It
is
part
of
the
the
entire
contributing
structure.
I
I
A
I
Yes,
and-
and
that
was
very
much
so
a
part
of
the
history
of
hyde
park-
it
was
that
era
after
world
war
ii,
where
so
many
of
the
houses,
as
you
know,
were
subdivided
into
apartments
and
then
come
the
1970s
80s.
They
started
to
return
back
to
single-family
use.
It
doesn't
appear
that
that
happened
to
this
one,
but
certainly
that
was
part
of
the
historic
pattern
of
use
was
that
definitely
correlates.
A
Is
our
m24?
Currently
it
was
historically
zoned
r3a
starting
in
1956.,
so
it's
a
multi-family
use
multi-zoning,
as
is
it
roughly
70
years
old.
I
A
I've
done
the
math
on
that.
It's
not
my
intent
to
to
do
anything
at
this
point.
I'm
taking
one
step
at
a
time,
but
the
the
math
of
the
size
of
the
lot
allows
a.
I
don't
know.
What's
the
word
right,
volume
or
density,
or
something
like
that,
it's
either
four
or
five
units.
I.
A
A
I
understand
that,
but
I've
looked
at
where
the
church
is
and
where
the
apartment
is,
and
there
is
a
necessity
for
some
type
of
massing,
an
intimacy
of
some
measure
that
mirrors
those
angled
setbacks
that
could
blend
in
perfectly
with
either
an
addition
or
a
separate
structure
or
some
some
combination
thereof,
but
that's
very
hard
to
articulate
and
sell
or
or
to
explain
to
somebody
because
they
always
know
and
see
what
is
done
and
the
mechanics
of
getting
there
and
explaining
are
either
promising
or
much
more
problematic.
As
you
well
know,
as
a
contractor.
H
I
am
going
back
to
picking
up
on
your
point
and-
and
I
agree
with
commissioners
who
craft
back
on
the
zoning
issue
it
this
the
fact
that
it's
multifamily
versus
single
family,
and
in
this
case
and
with
the
the
guidelines
in
bulletin
15,
it
we're
really
looking
at
the
exterior,
not
the
use,
so
that
that
point
that
it
was
single
family
and
now
multifamily
or
vice
versa.
H
That's
really
irrelevant
to
this
particular
case,
because
we're
really
talking
about
the
exterior
and
and
when
I
look
back
at
some
of
the
things
mentioned
in
bulletin
15
and
I
think
ms
cobb
said.
H
H
From
bulletin
15,
although
there
have
been
a
lot
of
changes
to
this
building
over
time,
it
does,
it
says,
define
the
essential
physical
features
that
you
know
represents
its
significance
and
those
physical
features
that
are
visible
and
that
whether
or
not
the
property
retains
the
identity.
So,
although
there
have
been
many
alterations
over
time-
and
you
know
it
also
speaks
to
workmanship-
well,
the
the
recent
workmanship
is
also
immaterial
to.
This
is
like
that's,
why
we
restore
and
rehabilitate
properties.
H
So
I
think
there
are.
You
know
there
are
a
lot
of
things
in
here
that
in
bulletin
15
that
speak
to,
although
there's
a
lot
of
work
that
needs
to
be
done
on
this
building
and
a
lot
of
work,
not
so
great,
maybe
has
been
done
and
understanding
why
you
said
you
bought
it
in
the
first
place,.
H
So
so
I
so
my
I
guess
my
my
question
is
back
to
staff.
Is,
I
think
you?
I
think
you
noted
that
we
don't
know
what
why
this
particular
building
was
was
designated
not
designated
was
what
its
contribution
or
or
criteria.
H
H
B
Was
said
to
be
contributing,
yes,
that
is
correct:
there's
not
the
florida
master
site
file,
form
for
the
building
and
the
designation
report
or
the
nomination
report
for
the
national
register
district.
Neither
of
them
expand
on
the
individual
buildings.
To
that
point,.
H
A
We
can
reasonably
say
is
the
homeowner
looking
at
the
tile
work,
both
upstairs
apartment
as
well
as
downstairs.
It's
got
that
characteristic
1950s.
I
call
it
bomb
bunker
tile,
so
it's
that
really
thick
stuff
that
probably
looks
at
somewhere
in
the
50s.
They
renovated
and
then
listed
it
for
rent,
as
evidenced
by
the
tampa
tribune,
article.
B
Elaine
lund,
historic
preservation
staff
by
1931
on
the
sanborn
company
map.
It
appears
that
that
central
second
story
was
beginning
to
be
brought
forward
toward
the
front
of
the
house.
C
A
The
commission,
on
your
point,
about
significance,
as
it's
described
in
the
historic
register
bulletin,
that
the
significance
is
they
kind
of
in
a
cumbersome
way
describe.
It
is
essentially
a
function
of
integrity
and
then
there
are
these
seven
elements
of
integrity
that
were
included
in
the
staff
sheet,
but
they
weren't
described
as
the
nrb
describes
them.
That
part
was
removed,
but
in
my
analysis
of
those
seven
elements
of
integrity
that
underpin
the
significance,
only
one
of
them
applied
out
of
the
seven
and
that
was
location
by
being
physically
located
within
the
historic
district.
E
C
Right
now
we
will
close
the
public
hearing
and
commissioners
are
there
any
comments
that
you
would
now
like
to
make
relative
to
this
application
and
we'll
start
at
this
end
and
start
that
end
this
time,
miss
shukra.
I
So
integrity
is,
as
was
noted,
as
basically,
there
are
seven
different
items,
location,
design,
setting
material
workmanship,
feeling
and
association,
and
these
are,
as
we
all
know,
has
some
measure
of
interpretation
over
time.
Even
the
bulletins
get
interpreted
in
different
ways.
I
However,
it's
my
opinion
that
as
a
historic
preservationist
that
many
of
these
still
apply
to
this
particular
structure,
but,
more
importantly,
this
structure
has
not
been
substantially
altered
since
the
period
of
the
district's
significance,
except
for
really
the
two
top
portions
of
the.
What
we're
going
to
call
the
the
second
story
and
it
does
share
the
historic
association
of
the
district.
This
was
a
district
that
was
the
integrity
of
the
district
and
and
certainly
the
the
value
of
this
historic
district
was.
I
It
was
primarily
a
single-family
residential
district
that
had
structures
that
were
built
between
1886
and
the
early
1930s,
and
this
clearly
clearly
lands
right
in
the
middle
of
that
it's
it's.
The
design
certainly
follows
the
tenets
of
what
would
have
been
designed
at
that
time.
I
This
was
sort
of
a
modest
two-story
structure
materials
used
at
that
time.
The
block
were
certainly
part
of
the
the
the
materials
used
for
structures
in
this
historic
district
and
as
somebody
who
has
worked
in
these
kind
of
buildings,
I
can
certainly
sympathize
they're,
not
easy.
The
frame
ones
are
so
so
much
easier
to
work
in,
but
yes,
they
can
be
remediated
over
time.
I
C
C
Ultimately-
and
I
quote
ultimately,
the
question
of
integrity
is
answered
by
whether
or
not
the
property
retains
the
identity
for
which
it
was.
It
is
significant
and
I
think,
as
we
listen
to
ms
shucraft's
comments
regarding
the
seven
aspects
of
the
integrity,
that
surely
answers
a
question
with
respect
to
this
particular
facility.
C
C
C
C
Then
we
need
another
motion.
Please.
E
C
C
E
H
C
E
C
J
You
this
question
is
for
miss
misaligned.
Can
you
give
a
definition
on
reversibility
really
quick
just
so
I
can
for
my
memory
and
also
for
the
commissioners
kind
of
get
an
understanding
of
what
reversibility
is.
As
a
regards
to
this
structure,.
J
And
I
believe,
mr
the
site
owner
went
over
it
a
bit,
but
I
would
like
it
from
staff
so
that
so
that
we
can
know
where
the
staff
stands
on.
Our
understanding.
J
While
staff
is
searching
the
reason
why
I
asked
for
reversibility,
because
I
noted,
even
though
the
sightings
were
done
after
or
it
hasn't
been
established
after
the
con
contributing
time
of
1933,
I
noticed
that
the
sightings
had
severe
alteration.
So
if
I
can
just
have
a
point
of
clarity
on
what
the
standards
are
from.
H
Yeah,
I
thought
there
was
information
provided
by
mr,
mr
black
wood.
Sorry,
I
almost
said
blackburn
blackwood
that
there
was
asbestos
or
something
yes,
there's.
H
I
I
don't
see
it,
but
maybe
there's
a
better
photograph.
A
The
whole
porch
would
be
removed.
This.
E
Hold
up
kamaria
pedestal
from
the
city
attorney's
office.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
have
a
point
of
order.
Ms
kavit
asks
a
question
of
staff
about
the
definition
of
reversibility.
F
B
Elaine
lund,
historic
preservation,
staff,
the
city
of
tampa
code
of
ordinances,
does
not
provide
us
with
the
definition
for
reversible.
So
if
we
look
to
the
merriam-webster
dictionary,
they
do
have
a
definition
for
reversible,
I'm
sorry
not
for
reversibility,
but
the
definition
for
reversible,
capable
of
being
reversed
or
reversing
such
as
a
capable
of
going
through
a
series
of
actions
such
as
changes,
either
backward
or
forward
b,
having
two
finished
usable
sides
or
c
wearable
with
either
side
out
and
then
the
second
definition
of
reversible
provided
is
a
reversible
cloth
or
article
of
clothing.
B
A
Just
on
the
the
front
porch
there
too,
I
mean
I
if
I
heard
the
commissioner
on
the
on
the
ends,
comment
that
that
has
not
has
now
been
deemed
historic
by
some
measure
with
the
asbestos
siding.
I
guess
the
asbestos
siding
is
historic.
Now
too,.
E
C
K
I
would
like
to
sort
of
refocus
the
discussion.
This
is
not
a
debate
back
and
forth
between
the
applicant
and
the
board.
This
is
consideration
of
the
application
before
you
and
the
eligibility
criteria
to
move
it
forward
either
for
approval
or
denial.
So
I
would
encourage
you
if
you
have
questions
during
this
period,
to
go
ahead
and
ask
those
questions
so
that
you
can
move
the
process
forward,
but
I
don't
want
to
open
up
a
environment
of
debate
during
this
hearing
at
this
point.
F
I
have
a
question
for
staff
elaine,
the
so
when
the
because
I
just
want
to
clarify
for
myself,
I
guess
when
the
building
was
incorporated
into
the
district,
it
was
with
all
the
changes,
except
for
the
back
stairwell.
B
F
And
I
have
another
question:
do
you
have
because
of
the
the
district?
The
buildings
were
not
individually
looked
at,
so
we're
not
talking
about
like
individual
designation
but
designation
as
a
whole
group.
Do
you
have
examples
of
buildings
that
were
altered
over
time
from
the
original
period
of
significance.
F
Because
that's
what
I'm
stuck
with
it's
like
the
original
period
of
significance,
the
building
great,
but
all
the
additions
that
were
made
to
it
kind
of
you
know
messes
with
the
the
original
design,
and
then
it
was
incorporated
into
the
district
with
all
of
those
changes.
So
are
there
examples
of
other
buildings
like
that
in
the
district.
C
C
That
would
be,
I
think,
a
question
for
staff:
okay,
elaine.
B
Lund
from
my
research,
through
the
the
records
that
we
have
from
our
department,
which
includes
code
enforcement
records,
it
appears
that
that
staircase
was
initially
built
without
permits
and
then
came
through
for
approval.
After
the
fact.
F
A
Could
I
pull
up
the
slides
please
online.
I've
got
a
backup
slide
on
that.
A
The
permit
was
not
followed
and
that's
why
you've
got
this
bump
and
two
bumps
in
this
with
the
stairs
having
been
built
and
then
approved
later
after
they
were
built
by
the
arc
and
they
were
approved
later
or
excuse
me
in
november
of
1994,
they
had
to
reorient
and
were
told
to
reorient
the
stor
the
stairs
to
comply
with
the
zoning
requirement,
I.e
the
zoning
code
because
they
point
to
the
street
instead
of
pointing
to
the
rear,
but
the
permit
that
was
approved.
A
If
you
see
that,
if
you
can
go
through
that
diagram,
the
permit
that
was
approved
had
the
stairs
going
to
the
rear.
So
somewhere
in
the
construction,
they
decided
to
change
it
and
point
them
toward
the
street.
So
that's
an
illegal
staircase.
There
number
two,
it's
also
in
violation
of
the
hyde
park
standards
as
I
I
brought
up
in
my
presentation
because
it's
built
on
the
street
side.
So
it's
both
illegal
as
well
as
inappropriate.
I
don't
know
how
the
arc
approved
that
being
in
violation,
clear
violation
of
the
hyde
park,
standards.
I
The
period
of
significance
was
1886
to
1933.
The
local
historic
district
was
done
in
the
1980s.
At
that
time.
Many
many
of
the
structures
in
the
hyde
park
historic
district
were
altered,
some
well
and
some
not
so
well,
but
at
the
time
of
designation.
I
just
need
to
understand
this
at
the
time
of
designation
in
1985,
once
the
structure
was
designated,
the
entire
building
was
designated,
including
the
alterations.
I
Is
that
correct
meaning
there
wasn't?
You
didn't,
have
a
building
that
was
designated
except
for
this
component,
meaning
the
whole
structure,
the
property
itself,
the
exterior
was
designated
low
at
the
local
level
and
then
the
design
guidelines
are
what
guided
the
any
of
the
alterations.
Am
I
correct
in
that
understanding.
B
Yes,
commissioner,
you
are
correct
there.
There
is
no
case
that
I'm
aware
of
and
which
part
of
a
building
was
called
out,
as
contributing
part
was
not.
I
And
do
you
know
of
any
historic
districts
across
the
country
locally
designated
that
essentially,
after
the
they
were
designated
and
and
the
period
of
significance
is
the
only
thing
that
was
there
meaning
in
this
case
there
had
been
no
changes
since
1933
and
1985..
Do
you
know
of
any
historic
district
in
the
country
that
meets
that
criteria.
J
At
this
time,
if
no
other
commissioners
have
any
more
dialogue,
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion.
I.
J
A
Yeah,
I
would
to
the
commissioner's
statement
there.
I
would
just
like
to
bring
it
back
to
what
staff
report
already
noted
in
the
staff
summary
that
the
initial
designation
of
contributing
altered.
So
we
had
remember,
we
had
three
criteria,
designation
options
contributing
altered,
so
they
understood
the
alterations
and
then
they
also
further
stated
was
based
on
alterations
that
were
deemed
inconsistent
with
the
structure's
original
character.
So
I'll
just
leave
it
at
that.
C
So
much
I
would
now
have
a.
F
E
C
All
those
in
favor
I
oppose
same
sign.
Public
hearing
is
closed.
Miss
cobb
you
had
indicated
you
had
a
motion.
J
C
There
is
a
motion
and
a
second
all,
those
in
favor
of
the
motion.
Please
show
signify
my
eye
and
show
a
sign.
I
all
those.
E
C
C
I
F
C
The
motion
passes
three
to
two.
Thank
you,
commissioners.
Thank
you,
mr
blackwood,
and
we
will
now
move
on
in
our
agenda.
If
I
can
find
it.
K
If
I
may
just
suggest
a
five
minute
break
just
to
allow.
K
K
Good
morning,
commissioners,
dennis
fernandez,
architects
review
historic
preservation
manager
here
to
update
you
on
item
number.
Eight.
If
you
recall
back
in
april
it
was
april
the
13th
we
had
a
meeting
to
initiate
consideration
of
the
expansion
of
the
hyde
park,
a
local
historic
district
to
include
the
area
north
of
the
current
boundary
line.
Do
we
have
a
map
that
we
can
show
might
help
our
discussion?
K
You
can
get
the
map
there.
I
think
it'll
give
you
a
visual.
I
think
most
of
you
are
well
apprised
of
this,
though
the
application
was
brought
to
the
commission
by
the
two
neighborhood
associations
that
essentially
composed
the
area
that
would
be
the
historic
hyde
park,
neighborhood
association
and
the
hyde
park,
spanish
town
creek,
civic
association
at
that
hearing
staff
didn't
notice
in
accordance
with
the
code
section
27-149.
K
However,
there
was
a
procedural
error
with
a
notice
and,
as
a
result,
a
notice
was
determined
to
be
flawed
and
unable
to
proceed
through
the
process
for
consideration
at
council
in
its
current
form.
So
we
are
have
been
speaking
to
the
applicants.
I
believe
one
of
the
representatives
is
is
here
today
about
a
path
moving
forward
which
would
be
to
have
to
re-notice
the
hearing
and
bring
it
back
to
the
commission
for
consideration.
Once
again,
I
know
that's
quite
an
undertaking.
We
apologize
for
that
defect.
K
However,
I
think
airing
on
the
side
of
caution.
It
does
give
us
the
ability
to
perhaps
address
some
of
the
feedback
that
we
heard
at
the
first
hearing
and
we
in
talking
with
the
applicant
the
applicants
and
they
have
retained
legal
counsel
as
well.
Since
we
last
met
we're
looking
at
possible
dates
in
august
and
september
to
notice
to
bring
back
the
hearing
now
when
we,
when
we
met
in
april,
we
we
did
have
a
special
time.
K
K
So
I
wanted
to
give-
I
know
mr
cimino's
here
he
may
have
something
to
add,
but
I
wanted
to
give
that
update
to
you
and
just
let
you
know
that
we
we
have
some
additional
steps
before
we're
able
to
move
that
forward
to
city
council's
consideration.
D
Thank
you
all
the
only
thing
I'll
add
on
patch
could.
D
We
really
appreciate
the
efforts
that
have
gone
into
this
at
both
the
level
of
the
arc
and
the
historic
preservation
commission.
We
understand
that
this
is
primarily
a
procedural
issue
and
we're
comfortable
with
moving
ahead
as
expeditiously
as
we
can
to
proceed
as
planned.
So
we
and
again
I
I
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
rules
and
stuff
and
we
want
to
follow
them
like
everybody
else,
so
we're
we're
proceeding
and
I
don't
unless
you
all
have
questions.
That's
all
I
wanted
to
say.
K
All
right,
so
one
of
my
recommendations
to
the
neighborhood
association,
because
they
are
the
act
applicant
and
have
been
conducting
most
of
the
public
outreach-
was
to
conduct
an
additional
public
meeting,
the
with
the
property
owners
of
the
neighborhood
prior
to
the
actual
notice
public
hearing
before
the
hpc
occurring.
I
think
that
that
will
go
a
long
way
in
the
outreach
of
some
of
those
property
owners
who
felt
that
they
weren't
part
of
the
early
discussions
or
part
of
the
discussions
at
all,
and
so
that's
been
staff's
recommendation
to
the
applicants.
C
K
In
accordance
with
your
rules
of
procedure
each
may
it
is
an
agenda
item
for
the
election
of
officers.
The
officers,
of
course,
are
the
the
chairperson
and
vice
chairperson.
They
serve
in
that
capacity
for
a
year.
K
I
normally
begin
the
consideration
of
this
item
with
the
chairperson,
currently
mississauga's
services,
your
chairperson,
during
the
nomination
process,
I'll
ask
for
nominations
and
if
an
individual
is
nominated
I'll,
just
ask
if
they're
willing
to
perform
the
duties
of
that
position
for
the
next
year
and
there
can
be
multiple
nominations.
If
you
choose
but
I'll
open
the
floor
for
nominations
for
the
chairperson.
K
We
have
a
nomination
for
chairperson
salaga
to
continue
in
the
role.
Are
there
any
other
nominations.
K
Thank
you.
Congratulations!
We'll
open
up
the
floor
for
nominations
for
vice
chair.
Currently,
commissioner
cobb
serves
in
that
capacity.
Are
there
any
nominations
for
the
vice
chairperson
position.
K
K
Moving
on,
as
I
said,
we
do
have
a
july
hearing
scheduled
on
the
calendar.
I
will
get
back
to
you
on
on
the
need
for
that.
As
of
right
now
we
have
no
applications
pending,
which
is
probably
welcome
on
on
your
end.
This
has
been
a
busy
year
so
far
and
moving
to
item
11.
I
have
no
new
business
for
you
this
morning,
either.
C
Then
I
would
oh
I'm
sorry
if
mr.
H
Actually,
I
have
a
question:
what's
on
the
application
that
we
had
last
month,
what's
the
schedule
for
that.
E
Okay,
pettis
mackel
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
I'd
ask
that
we
not
discuss
that
that
case
since
it's
it's
likely
to
come
back
before
you
and
mr
fernandez.
A
E
H
E
Well,
I
believe
you
wanted
a
workshop.
There
was
a
discussion
of
a
workshop
with
staff
to
explain
the
different
concepts
that
are
in
chapter
27,
relevant
to
the
hyde
park
district.
I
mean
not
the
historic
district
I
apologize,
so
we
could
certainly
you
know,
work
together
to
to
get
that
organized
to
have
a
workshop,
giving
some
clarification
on
some
terms
or
designation.
I
Yes,
I'm
sorry,
I
made
that
suggestion,
because
I
personally
would
find
it
very
very
helpful,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
different
terms
and
especially
when
we're
talking
about
local
versus
national
register,
and
you
know
what
the
implications
of
those
are
and
I
would
go
beyond
hyde
park.
I
mean
we
represent.
K
On
that,
should
I
be
happy
to
arrange
that
we'll
we'll
try
to
identify
some
dates
that
work
for
everybody:
okay,.
C
K
Sure
we
can
certainly,
if
you
have
any
suggestions
for
discussion,
points,
feel
free
to
send
them
to
me
and
we'll
we'll
start
to
build
that
for
you.
Thank
you.
C
Are
there
any
other
comments
of
new
business
that
anyone
would
like
to
bring
up?
Yes,
miss,
sweat,
yeah.
I.
H
Forgot
this,
I
I'm
not
sure
if
I
sent
forward
this
in
an
email
and
to
whom,
but
I
received
a
an
invitation
to
to
do
like
a
kind
of
group
yeah
with
the
commission
and
it
that
seemed
like
not
a
good
idea.
K
K
From
miss
giusack
to
miss
owen,
there
was
a
need
to
create
another
group
email
so
that
we
could
email
all
the
information
to
you
as
a
group
and
not
necessarily
putting
everybody's
individual
emails
in
there,
and
the
result
was
that
message
that
we
were
unaware
was
going
to
be
generated.
So
what
we
did
was
essentially
we
deleted
the
group,
so
there's
not
a
necessity
for
you
all
to
feel
like
you
have
to.
You
know
caution
yourselves
if
you
respond,
so
I
I
thank
you.
Price
should
have
called
you
back
with
that.
Both.