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A
A
B
B
Preservationist
with
us
today
are
our
staff,
our
legal
council,
camaria
pettis,
mackel
and
staff
dennis
fernandez,
elaine.
B
D
E
F
Good
morning,
commissioners,
dennis
fernandez
architecture,
review
and
historic
preservation
manager.
Just
for
your
information,
you
had
introduced
them
into
owen
who's.
One
of
the
members
of
our
staff
serves
as
our
historic
preservation
technician
she's
going
to
be
helping
us
out
in
the
clerk's
position
for
a
little
bit.
Beverly
giusack,
who
had
previously
served
in
that
position,
has
been
promoted
in
the
purchasing
department,
so
she's
not
going
to
no
longer
be
with
our
division.
We
wish
her
luck
and
welcome
him
into
to
our
hearing
this
morning.
F
G
G
F
F
F
B
F
With
that
we'll
we'll
hear
the
first
case,
which
is
a
request
for
local
historic,
landmark
designation
for
the
property
at
2111,
north
albany
avenue,
and
I'm
going
to
ask
elaine
lund
to
come
up
and
present
the
application
for
you.
E
E
This
is
a
1903
sanborn
map
showing
the
factory
there's
you'll
notice
that
the
map
does
not
continue
to
be
east
further
than
that.
West
temple
was
not
very
built
out
at
this
time
in
1903.
E
E
E
E
E
The
building
itself
was
known
as
the
bastille
brothers
and
diaz
cigar
factory
through
the
mid-1950s
when
it
became
occupied
by
the
antonio
cigar
company.
Later
it
was
occupied
by
other
light
manufacturing
industries
such
as
sportswear
clothing
companies.
E
In
1910,
tampa's
population
was
50,
000
people
not
including
west
tampa
cigar
factories
employed
about
10
000
workers
and
generated
about
75
percent
of
the
city's
total
payroll
at
200
dollars.
E
So
we
have
currently
designated
either
individually
as
historic
landmarks
or
as
contributing
structures
in
historic
districts.
These
11
cigar
factories,
the
most
recently
designated
individual
factory,
is
the
tierra
del
lago
factory,
which
is
the
one
at
the
top
left
of
your
screen
there.
E
We
also
have
the
balbin
brothers
and
barium
and
morgan
cigar
factories
on
the
top
row,
which
are
individually
landmarked.
Those
are
in
the
west
tampa
area
and
then
the
remainder
of
the
factories
that
you
see
here
are
located
in
the
ybor
city,
historic
district
and
our
contributing
structures
within
that
historic
district.
E
Not
locally
designated,
we
have
a
good
number
of
factories
here
shown
here,
starting
on
the
the
top
left
is
the
the
subject
site
today:
the
bustillo
brothers
and
diaz
factory,
and
then
we
have
a
few
factories
that
are
in
the
ybor
city,
historic
district.
The
one
on
the
top
right
is
a
non-contributing
factory.
E
It
has
been
altered
to
the
extent
that
it
could
not
contribute
to
the
local
ybor
city,
historic
district,
but
it
is
located
within
the
historic
district
and
we
have
a
few
factories
on
the
next
row
that
are
located
in
the
national
ybor
city,
historic,
district,
historic,
landmark
district,
but
not
located
within
the
local
districts.
So
they
did
not
receive
that
protection.
E
There
are
a
couple
that
are
in
the
palmetto
beach
area,
and
that
is
also
a
national
register
listed
historic
district,
but
they
are
not
locally
protected
and
then
a
number
of
cigar
factories
eight
there
in
the
bottom,
two
rows
that
are
in
the
west
tampa
national
register
listed
historic
district,
but
those
do
not
have
any
local
protection,
also
toward
the
bottom
there
and
the
bottom
row.
The
next
to
last
is
the
the
thompson
cigar
factory,
which
is
excuse
me
on
the
university
of
tampa
campus.
E
E
E
E
E
It
is
also
significant
in
the
area
of
architecture
under
section
27,
257,
a2
3,
for
it
embodies
the
distinctive
characteristics
of
a
type
period
or
method
of
construction,
represents
the
work
of
a
master
or
possesses
high
artistic
values
or
represents
a
significant
and
distinguishable
entity.
In
particular.
This
building
is
an
excellent
example
of
the
cigar
factory
form
and
exhibits.
The
renaissance
revival
style
details.
E
A
Major
rehabilitation
of
a
historic
building-
and
he
has
found
a
niche
in
our
community
that
I
think
he
has
served
well
and
will
continue
to
serve
well
and
that
is
providing
facilities
to
for
for
student
housing
and
he'll
talk
more
about
that
and
without
I'd
like
to
introduce
omar
garcia.
Thank
you.
C
Good
morning,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
say
a
couple
words.
You
know.
C
Sure,
omar
garcia,
1041
royal
pass
tampa
florida.
Thank.
B
C
As
a
tampa
native,
I'm
I'm
very
happy
to
actively
participate
in
in
in
saving
some
of
these
historical
structures
and
and
our
kind
of
talent.
I
guess
that
we've
developed
is
really
adaptive,
reuse
of
of
existing
facilities.
C
C
We
are
fully
leased
up
since
january
for
the
fall,
and
that
was
one
project
that
nobody
thought
was
going
to
work
because
it
had
no
parking
right
and
so
that
obviously
got
proven
incorrectly
right.
We're
really
excited
about
this
project.
Again,
as
many
of
you
know,
there's
a
major
housing
crisis
happening
for
university
of
tampa,
that's
really
impeding
their
growth.
We
think
that
this
will
help
alleviate
some
of
that.
C
In
addition,
we
think
it's
going
to
be
a
amazingly
unique
building
for
students
to
to
live
in
and
and
residents
to
live
in,
they
don't
have
to
necessarily
be
students.
13
foot,
high
ceilings
on
the
first
floor
with
exposed
brick
is
our
plan.
It's
going
to
be
very
nice,
so
so
I
just
want
to
thank
you.
Our
220
madison
project
was
a
jan
able
award
winner.
We
hope
to
do
the
same
thing
with
this
product
as
well.
So
thank
you
very
much.
C
The
the
the
fence
that
was
added
in
I
believe
about
seven
eight
years
ago,
so
those
are
not
historical,
so
just
just
that
was
something
that
was
mentioned
during
the
community,
but
that
was
actually
put
in
by
maintenance.
One
of
the
previous
building
owners.
A
Hi
dominique
cobb
vice
chair,
I
do
like
what
you're
doing
for
university
of
tampa,
especially
with
the
housing
crisis.
I
know
it
may
not
necessarily
be
for
this
factory,
but
is
that
that
living
is
it
affordable
living
towards
the
students,
because
I
know
right
now
in
tampa?
Affordable
housing
is
a
bit
off
and
everyone
can't
put
a
definition
to
affordable,
but
is
it
affordable
for
the
students.
C
Clearly,
right
now,
housing
in
general
around
the
downtown
urban
core
is
very
difficult.
It's
become
extremely
expensive
as
a
developer,
I
can
tell
you
that
drywall
has
gone
up
70
percent
in
the
last
four
months
that
that
makes
making
anything
affordable,
very
difficult.
C
The
good
news
with
this
particular
project
is
it
is
rented
by
the
bedroom,
so
folks
are
only
responsible
for
their
part
of
that
which
makes
it
very
a
a
great
option
for
a
lot
of
parents,
because
they
don't
have
to
worry.
If
somebody
moves
out
or
not,
if
you
happen
to
drive
around
the
area,
you'll
see
that
there's
a
lot
of
cars
with
new
york,
pla
tags
and
everything
that
have
actually
been
renting
homes
in
the
area
and
that's
obviously
taken
inventory
out
of
what
might
have
been
local
residents
that
use
it.
C
So
we
may
be
able
to
pull
some
of
that
into
our
facility
and
and
maybe
help
bring
some
more
regular
single
family
homes
into
the
market.
I
will
say
that
that
this
this
factory
has
been
vacant
for
quite
a
while,
so
we're
actually
we're.
We
are
not
taking
any
housing
away
or
anything.
It's
it's
simply.
Additive
plus
the
land
around
it
was
also
vacant.
So,
as
part
of
our
approved
pd,
we
will
have
10
townhomes
that
will
be
added
onto
that
four
bedrooms.
A
B
G
B
All
those
in
favor
I
opposed
the
public
hearing,
is
closed
and
commissioners,
if
there
are
now
any
comments
that
you
would
like
to
make
further
on
behalf
of
this
request
for
local
landmarking
and
whether
or
not
this
building
has
met
the
criteria
of
2527
257
and
its
requirements
for
historic
status,.
A
Mean
I
actually
have
one
comment
sure
this
is
a
question
for
the
owner
and
stephanie
farrell.
A
Yes,
ma'am,
okay,
so
my
comment
is:
I
know
that
the
townhouses
were
approved
through
a
pd
process
prior
to
the
local
designation
and
I'm
just
hoping
that
the
design
of
those
townhouses
is
compatible
with
the
nature,
the
historic
nature
of
this
building,
and
that's
my
only
comment.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
good
work.
B
May
I
now
have
a
motion
on
the
application's
request
for
historic,
local
landmarking
status
for
the
bustillo
brothers
and
diaz
cigar
factory.
G
C
Factory
for
a
local,
historic,
landmark
designation
for
the
property
located
at
2111.
north
albany
street,
a
building
site
structure
that
was
constructed
or
achieved
its
significance
during
the
period
of
historic
significance.
So
it's
delineated
in
the
national
register
of
historic
places,
guidelines
and
as
established
in
the
nomination
pursuant
to
those
guidelines
and
has
a
quality
of
significance
in
american
state
or
local
history,
architecture,
archaeology,
engineering
and
culture,
which
is
present
in
district
sites.
Building
structures
and
objects
that
possess
integrity
of
location,
design,
setting
materials,
workmanship,
feeling
and
association,
and
that
are
associated
events.
C
That
have
made
a
significant
contribution
to
the
broad
patterns
of
our
history
criterion.
A
the
national
register
criteria
and
that
embody
the
distinctive
characteristics
of
a
tight
period
or
method
of
construction
or
represent
the
work
of
a
master
or
possess
high
artistic
values
or
represent
a
significant
and
distinguishable
entity
whose
components
may
lack
individual
distinction.
Otherwise
known
as
criterion
c
in
the
national
register.
B
G
Kamaria
pedis
mackel
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
commissioner
cobb
you
just
walked
in.
Can
you
please
state
whether
or
not
for
item
number?
Well,
it's
the
second
item,
the
tar
furniture
company
building,
if
you've
had
any
ex
parte
communications.
Regarding
that
item.
B
B
H
B
B
F
Good
morning,
commission,
our
commissioners
dennis
fernandez
architecture,
review
and
historic
preservation
manager
here
on
item
number,
seven
on
your
agenda.
I'm
going
to
just
state
some
of
the
facts
of
the
agenda
item.
The
property
is
located
at
520
north
tampa
street.
The
owner
is
kt
north
ashley
llc.
F
F
That
is
a
section
within
the
city
code
of
ordinances,
reference
to
under
27-260
and
therefore
the
applicant,
for
this
particular
case
is
the
city
of
tampa
and
that's
a
a
little
bit
different
of
a
scenario
than
what
you
had
dealt
with
earlier.
F
So
I
wanted
to
begin
with
just
a
little
overview
of
the
location
of
the
property
and
then
get
into
the
criteria
for
the
what
we
is
referred
to
in
the
code
as
emergency
actions
to
protect
buildings,
meeting
the
criteria
for
designation
and
then
provide
some
information
on
the
potential
eligibility
of
the
project
under
27
257,
which
is
the
local
landmark
designation
criteria.
F
You
see
a
early
photo
of
the
what's
historically
referred
to
as
the
tar
furniture
building.
The
address
is,
of
course,
520
north
tampa
street.
It
is
located
on
the
corner
of
tampa
street
and
and
twigs.
F
A
little
bit
closer
look
at
that.
You
can
see
that
primarily
the
street
face
along
north
tampa
street
is
built
out.
There
is
a
vacant
lot
that
is
on
the
west
side
of
the
block.
You'll
see
some
photos
of
that
in
just
a
minute
and
then
the
subject
property
is
outlined
in
red.
That's,
according
to
the
hillsborough
county
property
appraiser's
office,.
F
This
is
a
1915
sanborn
map.
The
structure
was
built
in
1912,
so
the
structure
that
you
see
indicated
there
on
tampa
street
and
twigs
as
identified
as
the
tar
martin
company
furniture
is
the
building
that
we're
looking
at
today.
You
can
see
that
the
historic
context
of
the
building
is
well
situated
in
other
similar
buildings
that
are
placed
on
a
more
urban
setting
within
the
downtown
area.
F
F
Here's
an
aerial
from
1938
you
can
see
the
the
central
business
district
area
and
the
surrounding
neighborhoods
pretty
intensely
developed.
The
subject.
Property
is
identified
there
with
the
star
towards
the
center
of
the
screen.
F
F
The
tar
furniture
building
was
constructed
in
1912
for
the
tribune
publishing
company.
It
was
first
occupied
by
the
tar
furniture
company
when
the
building
was
completed.
It
is
designed
by
the
firm
of
bc,
bonify
and
emilio
elliott,
a
very
prominent
architectural
firm
of
the
era,
and
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
mr
elliott.
In
just
a
second
you
can
see,
the
building
is
a
five-story
building
which
is
principal
facade
is
is
on
the
east.
However,
the
north
facade
is
is
prominent
as
well.
F
It's
a
modern
photo
of
the
structure
currently
houses
a
restaurant
at
the
lower
level.
I've
been
there
for
quite
a
while
there's
been
some
modifications
at
the
storefront,
particularly
on
the
east,
with
partial
enclosure
and
some
impacts
to
the
transom
area,
and
then
looking
at
the
photos
and
the
sanborn
maps,
you
can
see
that
the
canopy
has
been
removed
at
some
point
as
well,
most
likely
with
the
widening
of
the
streets.
F
The
building
itself
falls
under
the
commercial
style
building
which
is
represented
throughout
the
country.
This
is
a
five-story
building,
as
I
said,
with
a
roman
bond
brick
pattern,
which
is
a
quality
masonry
construction,
it's
rectangular
in
form
with
a
distinct
base,
shaft
and
cornice.
You
see
that
format
architecturally
on
a
number
of
different
styles
that
are
represented.
F
F
F
As
I
mentioned,
the
firm
that
designed
this
building
was
bonifoy
and
elliot.
Emilio
elliott,
who
was
a
little
younger
than
mr
bonifoy,
was
actually
a
very
well-known
architect
in
the
area
and
he
designed
other
buildings
along
with
bonifoy
some
indiv
individually,
that
are
designated
in
the
city
of
tampa.
F
So
some
examples
would
be
this
building
that
we're
in
the
1915
city
hall,
the
hillsborough
lodge,
which
is
just
down
the
road,
was
constructed
in
1928
the
cuban
club
constructed
in
1914,
which
is
also
located
in
the
ybor
city,
historic
district,
and
then
the
lehman
house,
which
is
located
in
the
hyde
park,
historic
district
constructed
in
1914
also
in
the
prairie
style.
So
you
see
that
those
prairie
details
very
well
represented
in
that
particular
structure.
F
In
areas
outside
of
our
city,
mr
elliott,
designed
the
de
soto
courthouse
constructed
in
1913,
that's
located
in
a
historic
district
within
sarasota.
The
orange
blossom
hotel
constructed
in
1926
frostproof
high
school,
also
constructed
in
1926
and
the
bradenton
bank
and
trust
company
of
that
same
year,
all
listed
on
the
national
register,
historic
places.
F
The
historic
context
is
that
the
building
was
designed
by
emily,
elliot
and
bc.
Bonifoy
constructed
for
the
tribune
publishing
company
was
occupied
by
the
tar
furniture
company
for
the
first
portion
of
its
time
here
and
it's
located
along
the
downtown
tampa
principal
commercial
corridors.
F
See
some
of
the
population
growth
of
the
early
20th
century,
beginning
in
1900,
when
the
city's
population
was
just
15
000
all
the
way,
through
the
end
of
the
sanctuary
where
it
was
nearing
300,
000
and
and
and
today,
just
as
a
point
of
reference,
we're
nearing
400
000..
So
within
the
history
of
the
city.
F
Downtown
has
played
obviously
a
significant
role
in
the
context
of
development
for
tampa
and
the
early
20th
century
particularly
set
that
distinguishing
phase
of
the
city's
development,
where
it
was
transitioning
from
a
small
town
into
a
major
city
and
being
recognized
throughout
the
state
and
the
country.
F
Those
architectural
contents
of
that
period
have
been
recognized
by
our
program
in
the
development
of
both
landmark
structures
and
in
the
creation
of
the
north
franklin
street,
downtown
multiple
properties
group.
This
this
grouping
of
historic
landmarks
was
developed
in
order
to
properly
recognize
the
development
history
through
the
built
past
for
buildings
in
the
central
business
district.
F
Some
of
the
buildings
within
that
grouping
are
the
vintage
auto
building
one
on
north
franklin,
the
easley
building
constructed
in
1895
on
north
franklin
street,
the
southern
exchange
building
on
north
florida
avenue
and
the
spain
restaurant
building,
which
is
also
on
tampa
street.
F
Some
of
the
other
landmarks,
these
landmarks
usually
predated
the
development
of
the
multiple
properties
listing,
but
have
the
same
architectural
and
historical
significance
of
those
buildings.
Of
course,
the
federal
courthouse
built
in
1905,
the
floridan
hotel,
1926,
the
crest
building
department
store
constructed
in
1929
and
then
our
very
well-known
tampa
theater
and
office
building
constructed
in
1921.
F
F
So
that's
that's
the
focus
of
your
consideration
this
morning
and
that
is
that
under
27,
260
b,
two
the
building
would
meet
that
criteria.
F
If,
if
you
determine
the
building,
does
meet
that
criteria,
you
shall
submit
a
written
information
to
city
council
supporting
its
statement
that
irreparable
harm
would
be
done
to
the
building.
If
demolition
permit
is
issued,
if
you
determine
that
the
building
does
not
meet
the
criteria,
then
you
shall
approve
the
issuance
of
the
demolition
permit,
which
is
currently
being
held
by
the
city.
F
We
received
confirmation
of
that
eligibility
on
february,
25th
2022.
You
have
that
determination
in
your
packets
from
ruben
acosta,
the
survey
supervisor
survey
and
registration
supervisor
in
the
division
of
state.
At
that
point,
I
made
the
decision
to
schedule
this
before
the
commission
for
consideration
under
27
260..
F
F
Given
the
context
of
the
request,
it's
important
to
consider
if
the
building
would
be
eligible
potentially
for
local,
landmark,
designation-
that's
not
before
you
today,
but
the
staff
did
go
through
the
responsibility
of
providing
you,
the
information,
so
that
you
can
make
an
informed
decision
and
we
drafted
a
designation
report
of
how
we
would
approach
it.
If
you
were
considering
that
under
27
257,
the
criteria
for
local,
landmark
designation
is
very
similar
to
the
format
used
by
the
national
registered
historic
places.
F
So
under
section
a
of
that
code,
section,
the
building
site,
structure,
object
or
district
and
we're
dealing
once
again
with
a
building
needed
to
be
constructed
or
achieved
its
significance
during
the
period
of
significance
as
delineated
in
the
national
register
of
historic
places,
guidelines
or
established
in
the
nomination,
pursuant
or
pursuant
to
those
guidelines,
and
the
building
has
to
have
a
quality
of
significance
in
american
state
or
local
history.
F
Principally,
local
history
is
what
we're
really
focused
on
architecture,
archaeology,
engineering
and
culture,
which
is
present
in
district
sites,
building
structures
and
objects
that
possess
integrity
of
location,
design,
setting
materials,
workmanship,
filling
and
association,
and
that
meet
one
or
more
of
the
following
criteria.
F
So
you
know
this
is
a
general
guideline.
That's
applied
so
for
a
building
that
last
portion
of
three
really
doesn't
apply,
but
that
is
referred
to
as
national
criterion
c
for
the
national
register
eligibility
and
then
the
fourth
primarily
deals
with
archaeology
resources,
and
that
would
be
that
they
have
yielded
or
may
be
likely
to
yield
information
important
in
prehistory
or
history.
F
That
is
referred
to
as
national
register
criterion
d
within
the
review
process
by
the
division
of
historic
resources.
Looking
at
the
eligibility
for
the
national
register
listing
you
have
that
letter
from
mr
acosta
in
front
of
you.
They
did
determine
through
that
examination
that
the
building
satisfied
criterion
c,
which
would
be
referenced
in
three
within
the
local
code
that
essentially
relates
to
its
design,
construction
and
architecture
locally.
F
The
staff's
opinion
is
that
we
would
also
have
eligibility
for
for
criterion,
one
which
is
referred
to
as
criterion
a
dealing
with
the
influence
of
the
property
in
the
history
of
the
city
of
tampa's.
Commercial
development,
because
it
has
been
a
for
over
110
years,
has
been
a
presence
along
tampa
street
and
occupied
by
various
businesses.
F
F
These
buildings
were
an
important
part
of
the
robust
downtown
business
area
and
served
the
daily
needs
of
a
downtown
residential
population
living
in
single
family
dwellings
that
were
found
between
tampa
street
and
the
hillsborough
river
to
the
west
between
florida,
avenue
and
nebraska
avenue
to
the
east.
The
district
also
served
the
tampa
heights
residential
neighborhood
immediately
to
the
north
of
downtown.
F
F
F
F
The
tar
building
520
north
tampa
street
stands
as
an
example
of
a
critical
period
in
tampa's
early
development
and
signifies
the
increasing
economic
growth
of
the
city
in
the
early
20th
century.
As
such,
the
building
is
significant
under
criterion.
One
referred
to
as
criterion
a
to
in
the
national
register
in
the
area
of
community
planning
and
development.
F
Moving
on
to
eligibility
under
27,
257
parentheses,
two
parentheses,
two
also
known
as
national
register
criteria
c,
which
focuses
on
architecture.
The
tar
furniture
company
building
at
520
north
campus
street
is
a
five-story
blonde.
Brick
commercial-style
structure
located
in
the
southwest
corner
of
tampa
and
twig
street
in
downtown
tampa.
The
brick
structure
is
trimmed
in
georgia.
Marble
and
terracotta
the
east
facing
facade
maintains
a
centered
entrance,
flanked
by
two
partial,
partially
obscured
storefronts.
F
The
original
wraparound
canopy
shown
on
the
sanborn
company
maps
has
been
removed
on
both
the
east
and
the
north
elevations.
The
second
and
third
stories
both
contain
rectangular
windows
separated
by
pilasters
with
paired
windows
between
the
pilasters.
On
the
fourth
and
fifth
floor,
all
windows
feature
marble,
sills
and
keystones.
F
A
tara
car,
terracotta
cornice
separates
the
third
and
fourth
stories,
and
a
smaller
cornice
rests
upon
the
fifth
floor
area.
Geometric
accents,
reminiscent
of
the
prairie
style,
accent
the
pilasters
at
the
tops
of
the
first
third
and
fifth
floors,
a
pediment
obscures
the
flat
roof,
and
I
should
note
also
that
it
appears
that
most
of
the
original
windows
are
in
place
of
the
building.
F
The
tar
furniture
company
building
was
designed
by
renowned
tampa
architect,
emilio
elliott
and
his
partner.
It
was
built
by
general
contractor
e.w
parker
emilio
elliott,
lived
from
1886
to
1967
was
born
in
woodstock
new
york.
He
attended
cooper's
institute
in
new
york
and
trained
in
the
new
york
city,
firm
of
welch
smith
and
provost
in
1907.
F
He
moved
to
tampa
and
formed
his
partnership
with
bcp
bonifoy
of
foy,
who
lived
from
1872
to
1953,
was
born
in
connecticut
and
served
in
the
u.s
army
in
the
spanish-american
war
ella
and
elliot
and
bonafide
designed
such
buildings
as
the
center
estudiano,
the
lehman
house
and
tampa
city
hall.
Their
partnership
dissolved
in
1917
elliott,
went
on
to
design
tampa's
italian
club,
cuban
club,
masonic
temple
and
several
other
buildings
throughout
tampa
temple,
terrace
lakeland
haven
in
sarasota.
F
His
body
of
work
is
regarded
as
a
most
significant
collection
of
architectural
elements
produced
in
the
early
20th
century.
In
tampa,
some
of
elliot's
buildings
are
listed
in
the
national
register
of
historic
places
and
are
documented
as
a
part
of
the
historic
american
building
survey
held
in
the
library
of
congress,
dispel,
despite
the
alterations
to
the
building
storefront,
the
building
remains
an
excellent
example
of
early
20th
century
commercial
style
architecture
in
downtown
tampa.
F
Its
original
characteristics
on
the
second
through
the
fifth
floors
are
intact,
convey
conveying
the
building's
historic
integrity
through
the
aspects
of
design,
materials
and
workmanship.
It
was
designed
by
a
well-known
local
architectural
firm
who
has
become
nationally
renowned.
Therefore,
the
tar
furniture
company
building
is
significant
under
criterion.
Three
also
referred
to
as
national
register
criteria
c
in
the
area
of
architecture
and
as
an
example
of
the
work
of
a
master.
F
The
staff
recommendation
is
at
the
tar
furniture
company
building
located
at
520
north
franklin
street.
That's
to
correct
that's
north
tampa
street.
Excuse
me
for
that.
Typo
meets
the
criteria
for
individual
listing
in
the
national
register
of
historic
places,
but
has
not
been
locally
designated
under
27
260
b.
As
indicated,
it
is
eligible
for
historical
local,
landmark
designation
under
27
257,
and
that
would
be
under
the
criteria
of
of
one
and
three.
As
I
just
mentioned,
it
would
be
an
appropriate
addition
to
the
north
franklin
street.
I
Good
morning,
my
name
is
scott
mclaren,
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
owner
of
the
property
kt
north
ashley.
This
we
have
some
materials
for
your
review
and
for
filing
in
the
record.
If
I'm
not
approached.
I
Good
morning
again,
scott
mclaren,
I'm
at
101
east
kennedy
boulevard
here
in
tampa
and
I've
been
sworn
and
like
to
introduce
our
team.
This
morning
with
me
today
from
my
firm
hill,
warden
henderson
is
miss
cammy
corbett
and
ms
carolina
blanco,
and
we
also
have
here
today
on
behalf
of
our
client,
steve
barber,
who
is
the
client
representative
for
kt.
I
I
just
want
to
say
in
advance.
This
is
a
is
a
very
important
situation
for
kt.
They
acquired
this
property
in
december
they
paid
over
seven
million
dollars
for
the
property
and
they
plan
to
build
a
55
story
condominium
on
the
site
and
in
order
to
do
that,
we
applied
for
a
demolition
permit.
So
this
is
a
obviously
a
very
important
issue
to
our
client,
and
so
I
would
ask
you
to
be
patient
today.
Our
presentation
is
lengthy
and
I
apologize
for
that,
but
there's
really
no.
This
is
our.
I
So
we'd
appreciate
your
patience
today,
the
one
matter
that
we
do
that
we
can
present
evidence
on
later
is
we
can
have
a
full
hearing
on
hardship,
the
way
the
code
reads,
and
so
we're
not
going
to
present
our
full
case
on
hardship
today,
but
we
are
going
to
touch
on
it
to
address
the
hardship
referenced
in
27-257,
simply
because
the
applicant,
in
this
case
the
city,
has
has
put
on
evidence
in
27-257,
so
that's
kind
of
where
we
start
and
and
I'd
like
to
start,
if
it's
appropriate,
madam
chair,
by
a
little
cross-examination
of
of
mr
fernandez,
I
need
to
ask
him
some
questions
about
the
city's
application
and
what
has
gone
on
up
to
this
point
with
respect
to
that
application.
G
Pettis
mackel
from
the
city
attorney's
office:
this
is
the
city's
already
presented
their
their
their
case,
their
application.
If
you
want
to
ask
questions,
you
could
certainly
ask
those
questions,
but
just
state
present
your
application.
Your
your
your
argument
as
to
why
the
demolition
permit
should
be
issued.
This
is
the
phase
where
you
present
to
the
board
why
your
demo,
permit
should
be,
should
be
issued.
G
I
So,
mr
fernandez,
I
need
to
ask
you
some
questions
about
this.
I
think
you
touched
on
it,
but
the
we
are
here
on
a
27,
260
b,
hearing
right.
G
And
for
purposes
of
ensuring
the
record
is
recorded
accurately,
can
you
like
scoot
down,
so
mr
fernandez
could
be
at
the
podium
at
the
same
time,
so
that
this
is
recorded
because
there's
no
microphone
where
mr
fernandez
is
sitting.
I
Question
sure
it's
a
this
is
a
section
20
city
code,
section
27,
260,
biasing
boy,
hearing
right,
that's
correct,
okay,
so
the
the
criteria
for
this
hearing
is
set
forth
in
slide,
two
of
the
powerpoint
27260b,
it's
hpc
may,
after
a
duly
noticed
public
hearing
request
the
city
council
to
take
emergency
action
to
review
a
threat
to,
and
in
this
case
I
think
you
can
see
it
that
meets
the
criteria
for
individual
listing
on
the
national
register.
Is
that
correct?
I
That's,
correct,
okay,
and,
and-
and
this
is-
I
think
you
admitted
it,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
this
is
the
sole
criteria.
That's
to
be
weighed
by
this.
This
body
today
correct.
G
I
I
I
F
That's
my
understanding,
correct,
okay,.
I
And
after
that,
your
office
sent
some
materials
to
the
state
historic
preservation
office
about
the
potential
designation
of
these
buildings.
Right
that's
correct,
and
there
was
the
514
building,
which
is
a
little
far
further
south
or
next
door
to
this
building
to
the
south
right.
It
butts
the
building
to
the
south,
and
then
this
building,
which
I'm
going
to
call
the
520
building
today,
is
that
okay,
that's
fine!
Okay!
Thank
you.
I
Now,
when
your
office
sent
a
copy
of
these
materials
to
the
state
historic
preservation
office,
neither
you
nor
your
staff
forwarded
a
copy
of
those
materials
to
my
client.
Is
that
fair,
that's,
correct?
Okay,
have
you
or
your
staff
performed
a
physical
inspection
of
the
interior
and
exterior
of
this
building
at
520.?
We.
I
All
right,
thank
you,
sir.
Do
you
know
if
any
anyone
from
the
state
in
connection
with
this
application
has
done
an
interior
or
exterior
inspection
of
the
building?
I'm
unaware
of
that.
I
Are
you
familiar
with
the
national
register
of
historic
places
bulletin
concerning
the
national
register
criteria.
F
This
this
is
the
bulletin
that
applies
a
criteria
at
the
national
level.
Okay,.
I
G
Pedesnackle
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
I'd
ask
that
this
questioning
this
is
a
process,
that's
governed
by
27
to
60
b
27
260
b,
not
the
national
criteria.
Mr
fernandez
is
not
here
to
answer
questions
about
the
national
criteria,
but
whether
or
not
this
application
meets
the
criteria
in
27
260
b.
That's
what
the
premise
that
we're
here
for
and
that's
what
the
board's
focus
is
under
27
260
b,
and
that
is
the
emergency
actions
to
protect
buildings,
sites,
structures
or
objects.
G
Meeting
the
criteria
for
designation,
specifically
sub-section
b
is
the
hpc
public
hearing
and
findings
effect.
This
board
is
not
here
to
determine
whether
or
not
it
meets
the
national
criteria.
It's
not
that's
not
where
we
are
in
this
phase
of
the
proceeding
is
whether
or
not
it
meets
the
criteria.
This
is
to
determine
whether
or
not
in
subsection
b,
whether
or
not.
This
is
a
building
site
structure
or
object,
or
of
architectural,
historical
or
ocular
archaeological
significance
and
whether
it
meets
these
three
criteria,
whether
it
meets
these
three
criteria.
G
That's
all
this
board
is
here
to
determine
they
are
not
acting
as
the
national
historic
preservation
board,
and
neither
is
mr
fernandez
acting
as
the
national
historic
preservation
board.
I'd
ask
that
your
questions
be
focused
on
the
code
section
that
this
board
is
in
fact
here
and
has
the
authority
to
act
under
which
is
27
260.
I
Okay,
so
the
witness
testified
on
direct
and
now
he's
again
testified
on
trump
on
cross,
that
the
criteria
to
be
weighed
by
this
board
is
whether
or
not
it
it
is
eligible
and
meets
the
criteria
for
individual
listing
on
the
national
register
of
historic
places.
That's
in
your
code
and
that's
what
this
witness
testified
to,
and
so
I'm
asking
him
about
that.
Does
it
meet
that
criteria
or
not
that's
what's
being
weighed
by
by
this
board?
That's
what
his
presentation
was.
Is
the
staff
believes
that
it
does
meet
the
criteria?
I
Mr
fernandez,
do
you
see
how
the
bulletin
that
says
how
to
apply
the
national
register
criteria
says
that
for
a
property
to
qualify
for
the
national
register,
which
is
the
criteria
we'll
hear
about
it,
must
meet
one
of
the
national
register
criteria
for
evaluation
by
being
associated
with
an
important
historic
context
and
retaining
historic
integrity
of
those
features
necessary
to
convey
its
significance?
Do
you
see
that
sir.
I
I
F
I
don't
evaluate
for
the
national
rest
of
historic
places.
I
applied
the
evaluation
provided
by
the
division
of
historical
resources
through
the
response
that
I
had
referenced
earlier.
Okay,
so
you're
are.
I
You
telling
are
you
telling
this
board
that
it
is
not
your
opinion
that
27
260
b1
romanette
2
that
this
building
this
does
not
meet
that
criteria.
F
F
I
Let's
look
at
the
file
you
submitted
or
the
form
your
staff
submitted
to
the
to
the
state
submitted
that
on
february
22nd
this
year.
Is
that
right.
I
And
you
indicated
there
was
some
storefront
alterations.
Are
you
also
aware
that
there
was
a
fifth
floor
added
to
the
building.
F
A
I
Are
you
aware
that
there's
some
additional
stairwell
alterations
that
have
been
made,
that
that
inhibit
the
use
of
some
of
the
windows
on
the
front
of
the
building.
F
I
believe
we,
you
use
the
information
available
to
submit
the
questionnaire
to
the
state.
Okay,
and
what
information
was
that,
sir,
the
public
records
and
the
observations
of
the
first
cultural
resource
survey
in
1979.
I
Okay,
so
there
were
some,
there
was
some
application
for
building
plans
for
a
mcdonald's
in
the
early
70s.
Did
you
review
those.
F
I
F
I
Okay:
okay,
your
staff's
representation
was
marble.
Sills
are
present
right
crap,
it
says
original
characters.
Characteristics
on
the
second
through
fifth
floors
are
intact
right.
I
F
I
I
don't
recall
all
the
entrances
of
the
report,
but
we
did
not
access
the
interior.
I
don't
think
we
represented
that
we
did
okay.
I
Fair
enough
and
your
staff
at
this
time
says
the
building
is
significant
under
national
register
criterion
c
in
the
area
of
architecture
right.
F
The
the
original
evaluation.
I
But
now
you're
asking
you're
telling
the
tribunal
here
this
historic
preservation,
commission
that
it's
that
it's
significant
under
criterion,
a
and
c
right
under
257.
A
F
F
I
F
The
elements
are
the
same:
the
approach
in
applying
them
varies.
Okay,
thank
you,
sir.
F
F
I
I
can
tell
you
that
my
review
of
the
file
indicates
that
none
were
sent.
Would
you
dispute
that.
G
I
Let's
look
at
this
photo
from
the
mid
80s
of
the
building.
We
can
see
that
the
windows
are
boarded
up.
Is
that
right.
I
F
There's
alterations
on
the
east
and
on
the
north,
I
don't
know
about
their
degree
of
completeness,
but
okay.
F
There's
no
architectural
details
or
ornamentation
on
that
elevation.
F
I
Now
the
the
state
did
send
you
a
letter
on
the
514
building
right.
You
submitted
a
similar
form
on
the
five.
G
Maria
pettis
mackel
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
the
matter
that's
before
you
is
regarding
520
north
tampa
street
and
not
any
other
building.
So
I
just
want
the
commission
to
be
aware
that
any
other
address
or
any
other
property
location
is
not
relevant,
and
it's
not
before
you
for
your
consideration.
Just
the
information
regarding
520
north
tampa
street.
I
I
I
All
right
and
then
let's
talk
about
the
letter,
I
think
you
referred
to
it
a
second
ago
from
state
historic
preservation
about
the
520
building,
and
it
says
that,
after
reviewing
the
submitted
materials,
which
would
be
the
materials
from
your
office,
correct,
correct.
This
building
is
potentially
eligible
for
listing
right.
I
And
that
the
reconfiguration-
and
it
does
refer
to
the
marvel
seals
which
you
referred
to,
or
your
staff
referred
to
and
they're
submittal
right.
It
reads:
marble
cells
in
the
letter,
okay,
after
review
in
this
letter,
does
it
refresh
your
recollection
that
this
was
a
three
or
four
story?
Building
to
start
with.
F
I
You
then
that
the
letter
goes
on
to
say
we
have
determined
that
the
property
is
potentially
eligible,
but
we
cannot
move
forward
until
we
receive
property
owner
consent.
You
see
that
I
see
that
okay
and
then
it
says
we
also
encourage
submission
of
photos
of
the
interior
to
determine
how
much
of
the
historic
interior,
design
and
materials
survive,
especially
on
the
upper
floors.
I
F
I
F
F
That's
what
the
letter
or
that's
what
the
correspondence
reads.
I
F
That's
how
I
understand
the
state
interprets
the
us
code.
Do
you
have
a
different.
I
Let's
look
at
the
hpc
staff
report
in
connection
with
this
hearing.
The
category
is
for
an
actual
building
right,
that's
correct.
Okay,
you've
talked
about
a
and
c.
I
see
the
period
of
significance
there,
and
this
is
important.
1912
to
1972.
F
That's
the
period
that's
indicated
in
the
staff
report.
F
That's
a
very
broad
statement.
I
don't
believe
I
can
answer
that
with
the
information
I
have
okay,
so.
I
Okay,
so
you
don't
know
right
if,
if
the
national
register
or
its
guidelines
would
suggest
that
any
portion
of
the
period
from
1912
to
1972
is
a
period
of
historical
significance,
is
that
correct.
I
Okay,
well,
do
you
know
the
answer
to
the
question,
mr.
I
I
Move
on
tar
furniture
company
building
was
this.
This
is
your
report
for
this,
and
it
squares
with
your
representation
that
this
building
was
designed
by
elliott
and
his
partner
bond
for
it
right.
I
That's
correct
and
a
significant
part
of
your
presentation
was
that
elliot
mr
elliott
had
designed
a
number
of
buildings
that
are
significant.
Is
that
right?
That's
correct,
okay,
all
right!
You
also
indicate
that
its
original
characteristics
on
the
second
through
fifth
floors
are
intact,
but
again
you're
talking
about
the
exterior
right.
F
Exterior
features,
yes,
are
what
we
examined:
okay,.
I
I
The
public
records
request
was
addressed
to
you
correct
it.
It
was
all
right
so.
I
And
so
the
city
was
able
to
produce
no
records,
supporting
the
idea
that
mr
elliott
was
the
architect
for
this
building.
Is
that
fair.
B
B
A
A
A
A
B
B
B
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
all
right,
so
I
will
just
move
on
to
the
next
issue.
A
I
I
Okay,
16
years
fair
enough
now
your
code,
historic
preservation,
code,
27256.
I
I
27
265:
this
is
in
the
historic
preservation
code,
says
that
the
hpc-
that's
that's.
The
historic
preservation
shall
update
the
list
of
properties
for
inclusion,
and
the
work
plan
is
to
identify
properties
that
require
further
study,
investigation
of
their
architectural
or
historical
significance
for
possible,
landmark,
designation
right.
I
And
although
it
requires
it
speaks
in
mandatory
language
shall
has
your
office
ever
updated?
The
work
plan
to
include
this
property
since
you've
been
employed
by
the
city.
I
And
you
know:
let's:
let's,
let's
face
it,
this
property
is
it's
it's
located
right
on
tampa
street
right,
it's
not
some
hidden
property.
Everybody
drives
by
it.
Everybody
sees
it
so.
I
All
right,
thank
you.
I
did
want
to
ask
you
about
27257.
A
I
Okay,
now,
when
I,
when
I
read
this
this
this
criteria-
and
I
just
I
think
it's
important
so
you
look
at
it
says
when
designated
a
landmark,
landmark
site,
overlake
district-
and
I
guess
and
then
it
says
you
gotta
follow,
you
shall
apply
the
following
criteria
right
and
a
says.
A
I
I
I
I
So
that
completes
my
cross-examination.
I
don't
know
if
the
city
has
any
other
information
I'd
like
to
present.
This
is
your
this.
G
I
I
Okay,
thank
you
very
much,
mrs
pettis,
michael
okay.
So
we're
done
with
that.
I
know
that
was
unusual
again.
This
is
unusual
hearing
you're
going
to
hear
about
our
our
plans
today
and-
and
so
this
is
kind
of
where
I
will
tell
you
about
what
we
think
about
our
case.
I
I
The
evidence
will
also
show
that
there's
a
lack
of
retention
of
architectural
integrity
that
the
features
on
the
exterior
the
first
floor
and
then
some
other
some
problems
on
the
exterior,
but
very
much
so
on
the
interior
there.
There
is
absolutely
no
integrity
left
of
the
architectural
interior
of
this
building
and
then
there's
some
other
issues.
We
will
touch
on
criterion
a
this.
This
this
building
is
not
tied
to
any
historical
events,
criterion
c
again,
as
you've
witnessed.
There
is
no
evidence
that
the
city
can
point
to
that.
I
This
building
was
designed
by
mr
elliot
and
in
fact
I
think
the
the
the
greater
weight
of
the
evidence
shows
it
was.
It
was
designed
by
someone
else
and
then
criterion
c.
I
It
doesn't
clearly
define
any
particular
architectural
style,
which
is
what
is
required,
so
we
don't
feel
like
it
meets
that
criteria,
nor
does
it
meet
as
we
will
show
the
27
257
criteria,
but
one
thing
I
think
is
important
is
to
look
at
the
at
the
legal
requirements
you
know
for
for
this
property
this.
This
property
is
in
the
in
the
comp
in
the
central
business
district
of
the
comprehensive
plan,
and
it
is
a
very
high
density,
residential
neighborhood.
I
That's
what
the
the
city,
the
city
council,
passed
legislation,
saying
that
this
property
is
in
within
the
central
business
district,
and
so
you'll
hear
that
we
relied
upon
this
when
we,
when
we
bought
our
property
and
paid
millions
of
dollars
for
it,
you'll
see
that
the
comprehensive
plan
for
this
area
once
a
residential
development
pattern
consistent
with
compact
form
strategy,
with
increased
availability
of
housing
at
densities
that
promote
walking
and
transit
near
the
use
near
employment
concentrations.
And,
of
course
this
is
an
employment
concentration.
I
I
To
encourage
higher
density,
multi-family
development,
where
again
we're
contemplating
a
very
high
density,
multi-family
development,
exactly
what
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
requires
and
encourages-
and
this
is
the
comprehensive
plan-
is
the
highest
level
of
of
regulation.
I
Again,
another
comprehensive
plan,
objective
9.1.
The
objective
is
to
locate
higher
density
housing
right
here
in
the
downtown
core.
The
zoning
code
is
owning
a
cbd-1
dwelling
units.
Obviously,
multifamily
is
allowed
and
the
height
limitation
there
is
no
height
limitation,
implemented
by
the
city.
The
height
limitation
is
as
high
as
you
can
build
so
long
as
you're,
compliant
with
the
height
restrictions
of
the
aviation
authority.
I
The
city's
zoning
code
talks
about
the
purpose
of
the
central
central
business
district,
the
cbd,
to
establish
a
pedestrian
friendly
relationship
between
the
building
facades
and
the
public
public
realm.
This
is
very
important.
I
The
the
miscellaneous
provisions
under
the
comp,
the
cbd
requirements,
say
that
the
zoning
shall
be
subject
to
the
provisions
of
the
following
ordinances
and
resolutions,
and
one
of
those
is
the
community
redevelopment
plan
for
the
cbd
community
community
redevelopment
agency
areas.
I
What
do
they
say?
They
say
that
you
know
this
is
supposed
to
be
the
highest
activity.
High
levels
of
pedestrian
activity-
and
this
is
this
next
part-
is-
is
really
the
the
most
important
thing
about
the
legal
requirements
that
the
city
has
implemented
on
our
property
and
why
we
bought
it
and
why
it's
appropriate
for
high-rise
development,
and
why?
I
I
I
I
And
so
what
happened
in
a
similar
case
back
in
the
early
2000s
was
this.
This
whole
issue
went
to
court
and
the
court
ruled
in
the
city
national
case
that,
according
to
this
statute,
no
regulation
that
shall
be
adopted,
which
is
in
conflict
with
any
zoning
ordinance
since
the
court
finds
in
the
third
column
the
controlling
law.
In
this
the
statute
is
the
controlling
law
on
the
issue,
the
arc,
and
likewise
this
board
may
approve
or
disapprove
projects
so
long
as
their
recommendations
are
not
in
conflict
with
any
zoning
ordinance.
I
I
If,
if
I
don't
present
this
today,
you
know
we
could
be
precluded
from
arguing
it
later,
but
it's
our
position
that,
under
the
controlling
law,
the
zoning
controls
in
that
case
the
court
said
the
city
of
tampa
created
this
quagmire
of
competing
in
inconsistent
building
requirements
and
therefore
those
requirements
must
be
construed
in
the
property
owner's
favor
and
that's
citing
several
cases,
including
those
from
the
supreme
court.
I
So
what
does
all
this
mean?
This
means
that
our
client
did
its
homework.
It
looked
into
the
regulations
that
control
this
property.
I
It
looked
to
see
if
there
was
any
designation
process
in
you
know
in
process
anybody
filed
any
applications.
I
And
found
that
there
were
none
found
this.
You
know
that
the
zoning
code
allowed
specifically
and
the
comprehensive
plan
exactly
what
the
client
wanted
to
do.
So
what
did
they
do?
They
designed
a
project
and
they
bought
this
property,
and
you
now
we
now
are
going
to
present
testimony
of
mr
barber
steve
barber
who's
with
kt
north
ashley,
the
owner
and
he's
going
to
explain
to
you.
You
know
what
the
what
the
project
is
about
and
why
it's
relevant
today,
thank
you
and
carolina
blanco.
H
G
And
before
we
begin
kamaria
pettis
mackel
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
I
just
want
to
remind
the
board
again
we're
only
here
to
determine
eligibility
based
upon
the
correct
the
property,
whether
or
not
the
property
meets
the
criteria.
27
260.
we're
not
here.
This
is
not
a
notice
hearing
regarding
the
design
of
a
future
project
or
discussion
about
what
a
future
project
may
be
on
this
site.
H
J
Yes,
I
am
a
development
executive
with
kt
north
ashley,
I'm
responsible
for
overseeing
the
development
of
our
proposed
project
at
520
north
tampa,
and
I
think
it's
it's
important
for
you
to
understand.
You
know
what
our
what
our
plans
are
for
this
property.
H
H
J
We
started
working
on
the
on
the
design
in
early
november
of
2021.
The
project
is
called
one
tampa.
It's
a
mixed-use
condominium
project
in
55
levels.
We
will
have
311
condominium
units
and
some
ground
floor,
retail
on
the
corner
of
ashley
and
twigs
it
is.
It
is
valued
at
over
400
plus
million
dollars
in
in
market
value
between
the
condominiums
and
retail.
J
J
That's
that's
tough
to
say
you
know,
this
is
really
hindering
our
ability
to
to
begin
marketing
the
project,
and
you
know
we
are
forced
to
assume
a
higher
risk
through
the
delay.
J
You
know
we're
also
incurring
additional
carry
costs,
as
as
we
experience
the
delay-
and
you
know
we
are
looking
to
to
to
avert
that.
But
regardless
it's
it's,
it's
a
risk.
We're
forced
forced
to
assume.
H
J
Yes,
it's
obviously
ground
floor.
Restaurant
first
watch
is:
is
a
breakfast
and
lunch
restaurant
open
until
2
30
p.m,
daily,
seven
days
a
week,
levels
two
through
five
are
vacant
and
they
have
been
vacant
for
likely
over
50
years.
At
this
point
you
know
there's
very
little
value
in
the
property
to
the
city
or
to
to
anyone
really
at
this
point,
quite
honestly,
from
curtis
hickson
park,
the
west
elevation
of
the
building
is
an
eyesore.
J
We
did
it
was
submitted
yesterday,
so
one
tampa
is
a
311
unit.
Building
these
will
be
311
homeowners
that
will
be
moving
to
tampa.
This
is
not
a
rental
property.
These
are
high
net
worth
individuals.
The
the
units
will
average
a
million
three
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
our
ground
floor.
Retail
is
ideally
suited
for
a
restaurant.
J
J
H
J
So
in
late
january,
mr
fernandez
was
conducting
a
periodic
inspection
at
our
hyde
park
house
property
on
bay
shore
boulevard,
which
is
in
the
hyde
park,
historic
district,
and
he
indicated
that
he
would
like
to
speak
with
us
about
the
downtown
property
that
we
had
acquired
almost
two
months
prior
at
that
point,
so
I
met
with
with
mr
fernandez.
J
In
late
january,
he
indicated
to
me
that
he
was
not
in
a
position
to
support
demolition
of
either
514
or
520.
J
Likely
514
we
could
get
by
with,
but
he
was
encouraging
me
to
consider
incorporation
of
one
of
its
facades
of
520
into
our
project,
and
at
that
time
we
had
been
working
on
our
the
design
for
our
project
for
some
four
months
we
were
very
far
along
and
we
knew
what
we
wanted
to
do
so
we
we
took
it
upon
ourselves
to
to
submit
demolition
permit
applications
shortly
thereafter,
which
has
effectively
triggered
this
process.
Now.
H
H
J
J
I
have
yes,
so
I
I
have
measured
four
inches
of
differential
settlement
from
east
to
west
in
this
building.
That
is
evidenced
by
a
number
of
cracks
in
the
masonry
on
the
south
wall
of
this
building,
which
cannot
be
seen
from
the
street
you'll.
Be
hearing
more
about
that
from
our
our
structural
engineer
shortly,
the
condition
of
the
building,
I
would
say,
interior
and
exterior,
is
very
poor,
especially
the
interior.
It
is
it
is.
J
It
has
suffered
neglect
over
the
years
from
being
vacant
for
literally
decades,
and
you
know
in
in
my
opinion,
as
I
mentioned
previously,
even
if
it
could
be
renovated.
The
the
expense
incurred
to
do
so
would
be
prohibitive
and
and
yield
a
financially
unviable
project.
H
J
I
just
would
like
to
reiterate
that
you
know
one
one
tampa
is
located
on
a
redevelopment
block.
I
think
that's
a
very
important
point
to
to
to
bring
back
up
again.
You
know
this
will
be
a
true
legacy
project
for
the
city
that
will
bring
many
many
new
homeowners
to
tampa,
and
I
would
ask
the
hpc
to
not
vote
in
favor
of
eligibility
for
designation
of
this
project
and
allow
us
to
move
forward
with
with
one
tampa,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
If
you
have
them.
H
K
I
am
a
university
of
south
florida
graduate
mechanical
engineering,
originally
civil
engineering.
Subsequently,
after
that,
I
am
a
state
of
florida
licensed
professional
engineer,
I'm
also
a
state
of
florida
licensed
special
inspector
threshold
inspector.
I
have
an
excess
of
29
years
experience
in
various
capacities,
primarily
here
in
the
last
10
years,
with
highrise
development.
D
A
K
K
The
second
was
for
me
to
go
back
there
with
some
members
from
my
staff
to
evaluate
code
compliance
elements
of
the
building,
and
the
third
and
final
visit
was
to
conduct
a
ground,
penetrating
radar
study
on
the
potential
presence
for
reinforcement,
structural
reinforcement
on
exterior
walls
and
the
additional
stairwell
walls
that
are
on
the
southwest
and
southeast
portions
of
the
building.
I
guess
the
southerly
east,
because
it's
not
really
oriented
directly
north
south
but
for
conversations
sake
southwest
southeast.
H
H
And
you
mentioned
ground
penetrating
radar.
Is
that
right.
H
K
Ground
penetrating
radar,
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
misnomer
in
the
sense
that
it's
not
directly
a
technology
intended
just
for
the
ground.
It
is
a
radio
frequency,
sender
and
receiver
device,
it's
a
hand,
handheld
device
and
the
frequency
determines
the
depth
of
penetration.
So
a
high
frequency,
high
high
frequency
handheld
device
would
allow
you
to
determine
dissimilar
materials
within
a
given
structure.
So
it
does
not
necessarily
say
specifics
of
what
it
is.
K
It
gives
you
an
indication
of
what
is
within
that
structure
that
is
different
from
something
else,
for
instance,
we're
looking
for
the
difference
between
concrete
and
metal
or
the
presence
of
steel
reinforcement.
The
steel
reinforcement
is
typical
in
exterior
wall
design
for
the
purpose
of
enduring
what
I
would
consider
to
be
wind
loads,
lateral
forces.
K
H
We'll
dive
into
some
more
detail
about
that,
but
for
now
did
you
ultimately
prepare
a
written
report
that
listed
your
opinions
and
findings?
I.
K
H
K
The
building
appears
to
be
what
I
consider
to
be
a
double
layer:
white,
brick,
construction.
It
effectively
do
I.
I
would
like
to
comment
that
it
appears
to
be
four
stories
initially
as
there's
a
different
composition
as
you
get
above
the
fourth
story,
but
the
exterior
construction
is
basically
this
double
layer,
brick
extending
from
the
base
floor,
all
the
way
to
the
roof
and
the
roof
is
a
quasi
flat,
roof
sloped
from
north
to
south,
a
very
slight
slope.
But
it
is
not
it's
it's
very
slight
pitch.
K
K
So
in
order
to
resist
the
the
axial
loads,
which
I
consider
the
up
and
down
loads,
are
your
live
loads
and
your
dead
loads.
Those
are
typically
able
to
be
supported
through
traditional
brick
masonry
construction.
However,
the
lateral
loads
require
the
steel
to
be
placed,
or
some
sort
of
reinforcement
within
the
wall
structure
itself
to
be
able
to
absorb
any
tensile
forces.
Bricks
are
very
good
in
compression
they're,
very
bad
in
tension,
so
you
can
pull
bricks
apart
a
lot
easier
than
you
can
put
them
together
or
crush
them.
K
K
Yes,
very
surprised:
the
building
standards
back
then
are
far
different
from
what
they
are
now.
Building
standards
back
then
were
commensurate
with
the
technology
available
at
the
time,
so
tensile
forces
would
be
absorbed
in
a
myriad
of
different
ways
through
different
types
of
support
structure.
So
you
can
see
I
could
see
in
during
my
inspection
the
two
layers
of
the
exterior
brick
wall.
So
I
want
you
to
almost
imagine
you
have
the
exterior
facade
and
then
you
have
an
interior
and
they're
linked
by
intermittent
brick
attachments.
K
K
No
expansion
joints
to
be
found
it's
standard
in
masonry
structures
now
to
have
an
expansion
joint
every
25
feet.
The
span
of
this
building
is
in
excess
of
200
feet.
One
way
and
I
believe
over
100
feet
in
the
other
direction.
There
are
no
expansion
joints
which
will
not
allow
the
building
to
adapt
to
the
increased
temperatures
that
it
experiences
over
the
course
of
a
given
24-hour
span.
So,
during
the
cooler
hours,
it's
going
to
shrink
a
little
bit
during
the
hotter
hours.
It's
going
to
expand
a
little
bit.
H
K
I
highlighted
three
primary
and
their
overarching
statements,
but,
as
you
can
see,
the
evidence
of
differential
settlement
or
and
or
the
stress
fractures
throughout
the
building,
significant,
very
significant
settlement
of
fractures
throughout
the
building.
I
also
noticed,
like
I
mentioned,
a
lack
of
structural
reinforcement
in
the
areas
that
were
scanned
with
the
ground
penetrating
radar.
I
saw
the
presence
of
no
reinforcement
whatsoever
and,
as
mr
barbour
had
indicated,
interior
structural
members
out
of
plum
and,
of
course,
the
joyce
and
flooring
significantly
out
of
level.
K
Mr
barber
testified
that
it
was
four
inches
out
of
level
and
what
the
what
I
believe
he's
referring
to
is
that
on
three
of
the
four
floors
that
you
can
walk
on
right
now,
the
west
side
is
approximately
four
inches
lower
than
the
east
side,
and
this
also
coincides
with
the
settlement
aspects
of
it.
There's
several
portions
of
the
building
that
appear
to
be
pitched
towards
that
direction.
So.
K
Settlement
takes
place
over
time.
Settlement
is
typically
absorbed
during
construction
in
the
first
six
months,
so
when
a
building
is
traditionally
being
constructed,
that
settlement
will
most
of
it
in
the
ground
and
when
I
say
settlement,
this
is
where
the
foundation
meets
the
support
of
the
ground.
So,
if
that,
if
a
portion
of
the
building
settles
more
or
more
rapidly
than
its
companions
support
structure,
you
will
see
cracks
develop
through
the
structure
after
construction.
K
When
I
say
that
most
of
the
settlement
is
typically
incurred
in
the
first
six
months
of
construction
that
you
usually
is
a
uniform
settlement.
So
when
cracks
develop
over
time,
you
typically
basically
the
inference
is
there's
a
portion
of
the
building
that
is
going
down
faster
than
the
rest
of,
or
it's
immediately
adjacent
structure.
So
that
is
where
you
see
separation
of
the
structural
members
above
it.
H
K
Did
the
cracks-
and
I
state
pretty
clearly
here
such
cracks
in
the
exterior
walls-
are
indicative
of
differential
settlement
generated
by
one
element
of
the
building
shifting
vertically
more
than
its
immediate
companion?
Oh
sorry,
yeah.
I
gotcha
that's
good
to
remind
me
of
that.
Such
cracks
in
the
exterior
walls
are
indicative
of
differential
settlement
generated
by
one
element
of
a
building
shifting
vertically
more
than
its
immediate
companion
structure.
K
K
What
I
mean
is
this
cracks
that
are
extending
from
the
bottom
floor
to
the
fifth
floor
in
certain
areas,
especially
highlighted
on
the
second
floor,
are
in
excess
of
two
inches
in
width.
That's
how
much
separation
I
saw
in
some
of
the
cracks.
The
settlement
cracks
of
this
magnitude
are
indicative
of
structural
stresses
beyond
the
building's
current
capacity
to
resist
to
buildings,
capacity
to
resist
and
can
serve
as
fracture
points
during
restoration
efforts
which
can
result
in
catastrophic
failure
of
the
overall
structure.
H
Tell
us
a
little
bit
what
you
mean
by
that.
Why
is
why?
Are
these
settlement
cracks
significant
and
I'm
going
to
take
you
through
some
photos
too?
But
if
you
could
educate
the
commission
as
to
why
this
is
important
to
whether
this
building
can
be
restored,
whether
it's
viable
and
its
current
condition
right.
K
The
traditional
steps-
and
this
is
a
good
indication
of
the
cracks
that
in
excess
of
two
inches
the
traditional
in
order
to
restore
this
building,
it
would
have
to
be
this
differential
sediment-
would
have
to
be
addressed
first.
Otherwise,
nothing
on
the
superstructure
would
be
viable
to
manipulate.
You
would
create
an
undue
hazard
so
to
basically
bring
up
the
structure
to
address
the
differential
settlement.
K
Several
forces
are
going
to
be
generated
as
you
lift
this
up
and
it
just
similar
to.
If
you
had
a
pencil
here-
and
you
were
to
lift
up
that
pencil,
it
does
not
want
to
go
straight
up.
It
wants
to
go.
This
way
wants
to
go.
That
way,
that's
going
to
be
all
the
way
through
the
structure,
and
when
you
have
these
cracks,
you
have
weak
points
and
the
building
will
most
likely
fragment
severely
upon
any
kind
of
restoration
of
the
foundation.
K
A
K
Yes-
and
I
would
like
to
point
out
to
the
commission
that
the
cracks
that
we're
identifying
on
these
pictures
are
consistent,
they're
continuous
from
the
bottom
floor,
all
the
way
to
the
top.
These
are
not
cracks
where
in
one
floor
it's
over
here
and
on
the
second
floor,
it's
over
there.
These
are
continuous
all
the
way
to
the
top,
and
we
saw
several
of
those
throughout
the
structure
and.
H
K
K
This
is
on
the
fifth
floor
and
you
can
see
some
repair
efforts
have
been
applied
to
the
cracks
filled
with
stucco,
but
you
can
see
the
discoloration
indicating
the
path
of
the
cracks
and
there's
a
corresponding
picture
of
the
exterior,
which
I
believe
we're
going
to
show
which
reflect
the
exterior
mirror
image
of
the
same
crack.
So
these
cracks
are
evident
both
from
the
interior
of
the
structure
and
the
exterior
of
the
structure
and.
H
K
Correct
that's
on
the
exterior
wall
of
the
stairwell.
Is
it
very
important
to
distinguish
between
the
exterior
portion
of
the
structure
and
the
actual
construction
of
the
stairwells
on
the
import
on
the
inside
interior
portions
of
the
structure
because
they
were
constructed
with
modern
standards,
so
to
speak?.
K
That's
actually
called
great
stuff.
It
is
it's
really
that's
the
name
of
it
great
stuff.
They
basically
probably
put
that
in
there
I
speculate,
but
they
probably
put
that
in
there
to
keep
undesirables
out
bugs
moisture
intrusion.
H
K
The
top
arrow
up
there
is
indicative
of
what
we
saw
on
the
fifth
floor,
where
the
crack
takes
a
hard.
I
guess
veering
from
its
axial
orientation,
takes
a
hard
veering
from
that
and
then
comes
back
to
it
and
it
also.
I
would
like
to
point
out
that
the
cracks
start
at
the
structural
loading
elements,
so
if
there
is
a
beam
going
across
this
building
and
attaches
to
that
portion
of
the
wall,
that's
where
the
cracks
started.
It
didn't
start
at
some
random
area
and.
K
Precisely
what
I'm
referring
to
you
can
see
where
the
the
the
beam,
the
supporting
beam
supporting
the
joists
there
effectively
ties
into
the
double
layer,
brick
masonry
wall,
and
that
is
the
beginning
or
the
source
of
where
the
stress
fracture
and
the
settlement
cracks.
So.
H
K
K
Not
as
easy
to
see
because
the
paint
color
is
similar
throughout
the
exterior
of
the
building-
and
this
is
also
a
crack
shown
on
the
southerly
face
of
the
building
in
between
the
two
structures
of
520,
I
believe
514
is
the
address
of
the
other
structure.
So
this
is
in
that
walkway
or
alleyway
in
between
okay.
H
K
Starters,
construction
materials
very
good
in
compression,
so
you
can
put
a
lot
more
force
on
a
brick
than
it
takes
to
separate
it
from
itself
internally,
so
concrete
good
in
compression
bad
intention,
steel.
On
the
other
hand,
very
good
intentions,
tension
is
you're
going
to
pull
it
apart,
so
the
tension
forces
are
absorbed
by
the
steel
and
it's
supposed
to
typical
standards,
encourage
or
demand
the
marriage
between
concrete
and
steel
to
form
the
exterior
shell
or
any
severely
load-bearing
structure.
K
So
the
differential
settlement
is,
in
you
know,
with
no
structural.
Steel
reinforcement
is
indicative
that
this
building
is
in
deep
disrepair
and
without
proper
buttressing
or
thickening
of
the
walls.
Any
restoration
efforts
are
going
to
initiate
what
I
can
only
consider
to
be
insurmountable
conditions
for
restoration.
I
don't
see
in
my
experience.
I
see
no
path
to
being
able
to
stabilize
this
structure
to
minimize
health
and
safety
issues.
H
K
The
sequence
of
events
I
started
with
having
to
take
care
of
the
differential
settlement,
even
making
the
blanket
assumption
that
that's
feasible,
which
I
do
not
believe
it
to
be
feasible
simply
because
of
the
friable
nature
of
the
structure
as
it
is.
The
interior
portion
of
the
building
is
replete
with
dilapidated
wood.
Termite
damage
the
support,
the
interior
support
structures
would
have
to
be
gutted.
K
Any
removal
of
any
piece
of
this
particular
puzzle
so
to
speak,
could
trigger
anything
of
a
catastrophic
nature.
This
building
is
not
in
a
good
position.
It's
a
lot
like
playing
a
game
of
jenga,
I'm
not
sure
which
thing
we
remove,
I'm
not
sure
at
what
point
in
time
this
building
has
a
catastrophic
failure
and
the
interior
would
have
to
be
removed
in
order
to
not
only
bring
it
up
to
code
but
restore
the
portion
of
this
building.
That
is,
I
guess,
considered
the
interior.
G
G
Pettis
mackel
from
the
city
attorney's
office.
Again
I
want
to
remind
the
board
that
we're
here
exclusively
in
consideration
of
code,
section
27-260.
We
are
not
here
for
an
economic
hardship
discussion
according
to
code,
section
27-259
and
the
purview
of
the
board
is
exclusively
here
today
for
27
260..
I
just
want
to
remind
the
board
of
that.
H
And
I
would
like
to
remind
the
board
that,
during
the
city's
presentation,
section
27
257
was
mentioned,
and
so
we
are
addressing
both
code
sections
for
completion.
We
also
agree
we're
only
here
on
2
27
260,
which
is
whether
this
building
is
eligible
for
national
recognition
on
the
national
land
park,
landmark
bulletin,
which
my
partner
has
already
taken
you
through,
that
it
is
not.
So
this
is
for
completion
purposes.
H
All
right,
let's
talk
about
the
next
section
of
your
port,
so
you
did
some
high
frequency
scanning
right.
Yes,
you
already
talked
to
us
a
little
bit
of
the
the
unit
that
you
use
the
radar.
So
is
that
what
you're
referring
to
here,
these
gpr
scans
did
not
show
any
subsurface
anomalies
consistent
with
the
presence
of
structural
steel
reinforcement.
K
K
Yes,
this
is
this
is
what
is
typically
seen
now
on
the
first
picture
and
the
third
picture
on
the
top
row.
That
is
a
basically
giving
you
a
an
idea
of
the
radio
frequencies
received
by
the
unit.
It
does
not
give
you
any
kind
of
indication
of
any
subsurface
anomalies,
and
I
recognize
that
we
need
to
have
some
sort
of
juxtaposition
there.
K
So
if
you
look
at
the
third
picture
from
the
on
the
bottom
row,
where
it
shows
four
consecutive
inverted
parabolas
approximately
18
inches
apart,
that
was
taken
on
the
stairwell
that
was
constructed
with
what
I
would
consider
to
be
modern
day
standards.
So
you
can
see
the
subsurface
anomalies
in
a
pattern,
indicative
of
reinforcement.
K
So
the
third,
the
third
picture
on
the
bottom
row,
is
indicative
of
steel
reinforcement
being
present
the
rest
of
the
pictures.
I'm
sorry,
the
the
third
level
stairwell
on
the
fourth
picture,
as
well,
is
kind
of
a
magnified
stretch
out
version.
The
rest
of
them
are
taken
on
the
exterior,
or,
I
should
say,
the
original
portion
of
the
structure.
H
Okay,
so
if
I'm
understanding
correctly,
you
know
the
first
photo,
the
third
on
the
top
row
and
then
the
first
two
on
the
bottom
row.
They
just
kind
of
look
like
straight
lines.
To
me.
That
means
there's
nothing
there.
There's
there's
no
steel,
there's
no
wood,
there's
no
other!
We
don't
know
what
material
we're
looking
at,
but
we
know
there's
nothing
other
than
brick.
I
think.
K
K
Yeah,
that's
a
deep
inverted
parabola
there,
which
effectively
is
illustrative
of
a
gap
or
a
void,
and
basically
I
ran
this
particular
scan
on
the
two-inch
crack
in
the
exterior
wall
in
the
southeast
corner.
And
so
when
I
ran
the
device
over
that
particular
crack,
it
showed
significant
gaps
which
I
believe
what
we're
seeing
on
the
outside
is
only
a
minor
reflection
of
the
separation
on
the
inside.
H
H
H
Let's
talk
about
some
construction
modifications.
This
is
the
next
section
of
your
report.
You
talk
about
here
that
a
fifth
story
was
added
and
I
believe
you're
also
of
the
opinion
that
perhaps
even
a
fourth
story
was
added
at
some
point
that
it
wasn't
part
of
the
original
design
plans.
Is
that
right.
K
K
So
I
believe
I
commented
that
on
my
report,
that
if
me
personally,
if
I'm
a
I'm
a
250
pound
guy,
if
I
add
25
of
my
body
weight
over
the
course
of
a
given
year,
that
is
going
to
create
several
structural
anomalies
and
issues
in
my
body
same
issue
with
a
building
if
you
increase
the
loads,
the
dead
loads
and
the
live
loads
in
excess
of
20
and
not
to
mention
having
ac
units
or
any
other
roof
load
without
having
proper,
compensating
the
foundation.
H
And
then
for
the
commission's
reference,
this
is
that
letter
from
the
state
that
you
looked
at
earlier,
where
the
state
says
this
was
originally
a
three
or
four-story
building,
and
you
mentioned
you
couldn't
know
for
certain.
But
what
leads
you
to
believe
that
perhaps
the
four-story
was
not
part
of
the
original
design.
K
Well,
the
surrounding
structures
are
also
three
stories
for
starters.
The
second
reason
would
be
where
the
cornice
is
aligned
is
indicative,
that
the
building
was
subsequently
added
to
from
there,
but
the
most
telling
sign
is
the
different
construction
type
on
the
fifth
floor
and
different
materials
type.
So
in
the
first
five
structures.
K
I'm
sorry
in
the
first
four
levels,
there
is
a
steel
frame
interior
structure
supported
by
wood
columns,
whereas
in
the
fifth
level
it
is
all
wood
from
all
interior
wood
roof,
and
I
should
say,
roofing
assembly
we're.
H
And
then
we
confirmed
that
a
fifth
floor
was
added
in
this
tampa
daily
times,
article
from
1919
right.
H
So
the
plans
for
this
fifth
story
looks
like
it
was
james
mcguckin
had
the
contract
for
the
erection
of
this
fifth
story.
I'm
sorry
bonifoy
it
has
the
top
bc.
Bonifoy
has
committed
plans
for
the
addition
of
the
fifth
story.
K
So
when
we
have
a
portion
of
the
structure
that
has
been
renovated
to
modern
day
standards,
which
in
this
case
would
be
the
stairwells
extending
from
the
bottom
floor
all
the
way
to
the
fifth
floor
on
the
southeast
and
southwest
corners,
you
can
see
how
they
have
acted
as
somewhat
of
a
splint.
This
is
a
good
depiction
of
the
plans
that
were
utilized
for
the
stairwells,
but
effectively
a
good
portion
of
the
structure
has
already
been
renovated.
K
K
Yes,
yes,
and
it
also
is
indicative
of
shallow
foundation
system,
and
so
we
don't
know
the
the
impacts
of
whenever
you
have
one
foundation
system
and
you
superimpose
another
foundation
on
top
of
it.
K
It's
similar
to
waves
at
the
beach,
where
you
have
one
wave
could
be
one
size,
one
way
be
the
other
size,
but
if
you
put
the
two
of
them
together,
they
make
a
much
bigger
wave.
Such
is
the
case
with
foundations.
When
you
have
a
portion
of
the
foundation
acting
in
this
particular
area,
and
then
you
come
immediately
adjacent
to
it
and
put
a
shallower
foundation
you're
going
to
amplify
the
loading
on
that
portion,
which
is
evidently
already
settling.
K
H
K
As
the
building
has
aged
and
it's
natural
for
buildings
to
age,
to
show
sagging
out
of
plum-
and
you
know
vertically
displaced
elements
of
the
building,
that
part
is
somewhat
expected.
However,
there
are
portions
of
the
structure
on
the
interior
that
are
so
far
out
of
initial
placement,
that
they're
definitely
going
to
need
to
be
re,
they're
definitely
going
to
need
to
be
replaced,
and
the
configuration
I
believe
it
was
mentioned
is
the
gridded
pattern.
Interior
is
well
outside
what
the
current
code
permits.
K
So
over
on
the
second
level,
this
is
a
portion
of
the
roof
that
I
wanted
to
show.
K
Obviously
there
are
steel
supports,
holding
up
the
wood
portion,
which
is
currently
not
code
compliant,
but
this
is
what
I
call
a
wedge
cut,
or
maybe
a
fire
cut
assembly
into
the
exterior
walls
from
the
wood
framing
system,
significant
termite
damage,
but
you
can
see
in
the
middle
picture
on
the
fifth
level,
where
it
shows
the
member
going
this
way
to
my
left,
probably
your
left
as
well,
when
you're
looking
at
it,
it
is
starting
to
separate
and
sag
the
fifth
level
sagging
on
the
picture
to
the
right
shows
what's
happening.
H
K
Basically,
you
know
it
really
kind
of
speaks
for
itself,
in
the
sense
that
you
can
see
a
lot
of
sagging
in
these
beams
sagging
is
an
indication
that
they
are
structurally
incapable
of
handling
the
root
the
load
that's
being
imposed
on
them,
either
through
degradation
or
through
just
out
of
code.
So
a
four
by
four
post
supporting
supporting
the
cross
beams,
which
then
again
support
nailed
in
or
overlapped
roof.
Trusses,
there's
nothing
about
that.
That
is
in
current
compliance
with
current
building
code.
H
K
Yeah
significant
termite
damage
throughout
the
wooden
portions
of
the
structure
in
quite
frankly,
you
could
see
the
evidence
from
the
dead
termites
themselves,
but
I
couldn't
really
comment
on
active
nests
or
anything
like
that.
But
the
the
damage
that's
been
done
to
date
is
is
significant.
K
Correct,
well,
I
guess
there's
a
missing
link
in
there
in
that
anytime,
a
structure
is
the
the
the
cost
of
a
structure
exceed
50
of
its
current
value.
Current
current
code
means
you
have
to
bring
everything
up
to
current
building
code
in
order
to
bring
everything
up
to
building
code.
You'd
have
to
remove
everything
on
the
interior
and
replace
it,
which
would
initiate
a
sequence
of
construction
events
that
I
believe,
would
lead
to
a
catastrophic
failure.
H
K
Without
structural
reinforcement,
the
exterior
shell
of
this
building
is
not
going
to
require
a
tremendous
amount
of
disturbance
for
it
to
fragment.
H
What
about
the
facade?
We're
not
here
about
the
facade,
we're
here
about
the
building
as
a
whole,
but
there
has
been
some
indications
that
there
may
be
an
effort
to
save
the
facade
or
the
cornice.
So
please
tell
us
what
you
think
about
the
ability
to
save
portions.
K
The
cornice
is
harboring,
some
sediments
that
have
collected
over
time,
which
is
natural,
but
it's
basically
collected
to
such
a
point
where
vegetation
can
now
grow.
Whenever
vegetation
grows,
it's
going
to
create
a
greater
separation
between
the
cornice
and
what
it's
attached
to,
or
actually
degrade
through,
moisture
intrusion,
the
elements
that
were
attaching
it
to
the
building.
So,
with
that
being
said,
being
able
to
restore
the
cornice,
is
or
preserve,
the
cornice
is
going
to
present
significant
significant
challenges
because
we
don't
know
where
those
separations
have
taken
place.
K
So
it
won't
be
possible
to
take
the
cornice
off
in
one
piece
and
then
just
attach
it
to
another
structure.
It
has
already
degraded
significantly
with
where
it's
attached
and
being
able
to
take
it
off.
Would
the
sequence
of
events
necessary
to
do
that
would
continue
to
trigger
to
the
stability
inhibit
this
the
current
stability
of
the
building.
H
All
right-
and
you
already
made
reference
to
this
but
looks
like
there
is
a
building
code
that
requires
if
preservation
costs
are
going
to
exceed
50
percent
of
the
current
market
value
the
building
has
to
come
up
to
code.
You
mentioned
this
in
your
report
and
I
believe
you've
already
mentioned.
There's
no
way
to
do
that,
but
please
tell
us
why
you
think
this
building
can't
be
restored
without
excess
danger
to
the
public.
K
Basically,
catastrophic
failure
is
catastrophic
failure.
It's
just
that
the
building
collapses
where
the
debris
goes
at
that
point
to
contain
it.
I
think
the
largest
contributing
factor
is
when
you
try
to
prevent
a
structure
from
posing
imminent
danger
to
the
public.
K
There
is
a
shoring
plan,
something
that
keeps
it
in
place,
given
the
fact
that
shoring
typically
takes
place
when
you
are
taking
a
structurally
sound
element,
applying
some
level
of
reinforcement
to
that
in
the
form
of
a
stick
of
some
sort
of
support,
there's
no
real
viable
way
to
place,
reinforcement
or,
I
should
say,
stabilization
efforts
to
a
wall
that
has
this
many
pieces.
So
to
speak.
It's
really
the
equivalent
of
trying
to
stabilize
a
puzzle
when
you're
standing
the
puzzle
straight
up
anywhere.
You
push
on
it.
H
Well,
thank
you
very
much.
Okay
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
my
partner,
scott
mclaren.
I
All
right,
madam
chair,
would
you
like
me
to
proceed,
or
would
you
like
me
to
precede
it
or
I
just
didn't
know
what
the
commission's
preferences
were
on
a
while.
I
G
So
khamari
pedestal
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
I
think
what
the
the
representative
is
asking
is
do.
Does
the
board
want
to
keep
going
with
the?
Do
you
want
to
take
a
break,
a
five
minute
break
or
a
ten
minute
break
or
a
lunch
break,
or
do
you
want
to
allow
him
to
keep
going
with
his
presentation.
G
Mario
pettis
macro
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
I
hear
what
you're
talking
about
how
long
the
presentation
is.
I've
reminded
the
board
what
the
purview
of
your
your
this
hearing
is
today,
and
the
only
require
the
only
information
that
you
can
hear
today
that
you
can
use
for
your
consideration
for
the
the
how
it's
noticed
today,
but
the
applicant
is
presenting
information
to
you.
Can.
A
G
A
question
first,
this
is
an
item
to
be
continued.
Is
not
that's
not
what
they're
asking
for
today.
A
First,
certainly,
you
said
at
least
an
hour:
do
you
have
an
an
estimate
of
what
your
presentations?
If
we
had
no
discussion
or
questions,
what
that
would
be.
I
I
I
Subsection
c
references,
economic
hardship-
and
you
know-
and
also
all
of
these,
all
of
the
evidence
that
we're
presenting
on
the
condition
of
the
property
relates
to
its
architectural
integrity
and
capability
of
being
restored.
I
mean
clearly
there's
no
purpose
in
in
designating
a
building
that
is
incapable
of
restoration.
So
I
just
wanted
to
address
that
issue.
A
So
so,
if
we
have
at
least
two
more
hours,
the
question
is:
do
we
take
a
break
for
lunch
or
keep
going
well?
Is
there
a
possibility
of
continuing
this
because
we
we
may
lose
our
quorum?
Some
of
us,
I
mean
I
I
mean
I
had
no
idea
that
this
is.
I
mean
I
have
no
control
over
what
they
present
or
how
long
this
is
going
to
be,
and
I
frankly,
I'm
simply
unable
to
stay
them.
I.
A
I
B
B
I
Understood
and
thank
you
for
that
guidance,
I
appreciate
that
very
much
okay,
the
next
witness
we're
going
to
present
is
not
a
live
witness.
She
could
not
be
here
today,
but
she
is
professor
susan
tate,
a
a
35-year
member
of
the
university
of
florida's
architecture
faculty.
She
is
a
professor
emeritus
of
uf
she's
done
an
examination
of
the
building
and
an
in-person
inspection
and
the
physical
exam
of
both
the
interior
and
exterior
of
the
building
and
she's
done
a
report.
I
She
is,
you
know
when
the
state
needed
an
expert
to
advise
them
and
consult
with
them
in
terms
of
the
preservation
of
the
of
the
historic,
most
historic
structure
in
saint
augustine,
the
government
house
built
in
the
1500s
they
looked
to
susan
tate,
so
she
has
unquest
an
unquestioned
expert
she's
got
a
again
a.
She
was
a
tentful
tenured
professor
for
25
years
at
uf.
There's
a
picture
of
professor
tate
in
paris,
working
on
the
tally,
rand
vis
building
building.
She
is
internationally
renowned.
I
She
looked
at
the
building.
She
commented
that
you
know
this.
This
building
was
built
for
tar
furniture,
then
occupied
in
the
40s
and
50s
by
haverty's
unused
and
then
became
mcdonald's
in
first
watch.
The
reason
this
is
salient
to
the
question
is
that
the
city
is
claiming
that
this
this
building
is
tied
to
historic
events,
and
what
professor
tate
will
tell
you
in
a
report.
That's
in
your
that's
in
your.
I
Notebook
under
tab
eight
is
that
none
of
the
the
building
simply
has
no
connection
to
any
historic
events
in
the
city
of
tampa.
I
She
points
out
that
there's
the
staircase
you've
been
you've
been
hearing
about.
It
inhibits
the
use
and
acts
as
a
barricade
to
two
of
the
five
rows
of
windows
on
the
front
facade
from
an
architectural
perspective.
I
It
impacts
roughly
40
percent
of
the
windows
on
the
most
important
facade,
the
front
benchio
pines
and
she's
done
research,
and
she
can
find
no
information
suggesting
that
mr
elliott,
designed
this
building
this
this
tribunal
has
already
heard
you
know
that
the
city
cannot
produce
any
information,
so
we
respectfully
submit
that
that
is
nothing
but
speculation
that
mr
elliot
actually
designed
the
building.
There's
certainly
no
evidence
here
today
that
he
did
she
talks
about
the
cracks
you've
heard
about.
I
Those
here
are
photos
that
professor
tate
used
in
her
report
of
the
cracks
there's
one
of
the
big
ones
you
heard
about
those
and
why
they're
significant
to
the
potential
restoration-
or,
in
this
case
the
impossibility
of
restoration
of
this
building
more
evidence
of
the
cracks
on
the
floor.
You
heard
that
testimony
as
well
here
are
the
photos
of
the
floors
on
the
various
floors.
I
Professor
tate
talks
about
the
the
article
in
the
paper
that
was
in
1912
when
the
when
the
building
was
first
built.
You
recall.
I
Well,
let
me
back
up
a
second.
The
reason
this
is
relevant
too.
Is
you
recall
that
this
the
city's
submission
to
the
state
when
they,
when
they
checked
the
box
on
condition
they
said
that
this
building
is
in
good
condition?
So
when
the
state
made
their
presented
their
letter-
and
they
said
it
was
potentially
eligible,
they
were
operating
under
the
assumption
that
this
building
was
in
good
condition.
As
you
can
see
from
these
photos,
mr
bierce's
report
and
professor
tate's
report,
the
building
is
not
in
good
condition.
I
The
building
was,
according
to
professor
tate's
review
of
the
articles
originally
built
as
a
four-story
building.
It
could
have
been
designed
as
three-story
as
a
result
of
the
cornice
referenced
by
mr
beers
and
depicted
on
this
photo
in
professor
tate's
report.
Here
is
evidence
that
the
fourth
floor
was
or
excuse
me.
The
fifth
floor
was
added
professor
tate
notes
that
look
at
the
different
brick
patterns
there
in
this
photo
right
there
on
the
sill.
I
I
So,
professor
tate
also
opines
with
respect
to
the
owner
objection
and
she
points
out
that
the
owner
does
object
and
for
this
reason
alone,
this
billing
does
not
meet
the
criteria
for
individual
listing
in
the
national
register.
That's
professor
tate,
professor
of
architecture,
at
the
university
of
florida.
The
building
does
not
meet
the
criteria
because
of
the
owner
objection.
It
cannot
be
and
is
not
eligible
for
listing
in
the
national
register.
That's
the
criteria
you're
asked
to
to
review
today.
I
Professor
tate
notes
the
removal
and
destruction
of
the
ground
floor,
facades
and
elevations.
She
notes
that
those
are
the
most
important
architectural
features
of
a
multi-story
building,
so
the
ground
floor
is
the
most
important
architectural
feature
it's
been
removed.
It
doesn't
exist
anymore,
like
it
did,
together
with
the
front
staircase.
I
These
actions
eliminated
40
of
the
natural
light
and
the
features
that
could
have
conveyed
artistic
value
to
the
building.
The
early
70s
alterations
were
not
highlighted
by
the
city
in
its
submission
to
the
state,
historic
preservation
officer,
but
do
prevent
the
building
from
qualifying
for
national
registered
listing
so
criterion
a
here.
It
is
from
the
bulletin
associated
with
events
that
have
made
a
significant
contribution
to
the
broad
patterns
of
our
history.
It's
not
just
that
the
building
existed
during
an
important
period
of
time.
I
The
association
must
be
documented.
Property
is
not
eligible
if
its
associations
are
speculative
again.
This
is
the
bulletin
that
used
used
by
city
staff
as
to
how
to
apply
the
criteria.
Here
is
professor
tate's
opinion
on
criterion
a
it's
on
page
five
of
her
report
under
criterion.
A
the
bulletin
advises
that
the
property
quote
must
be
documented
to
have
existed
at
the
time
of
the
event
and
to
have
been
associated
with
those
events.
Property
is
not
eligible
if
its
associations
are
speculative
further.
She
quotes
page
12
of
the
bulletin.
I
I
Professor
tate
points
out
that
the
city
has
provided
speculation
rather
than
documentation
of
any
such
association.
Tar
furniture
is
not
significant.
Therefore,
it's
my
opinion
that
the
billing
does
not
qualify
under
national
register
criterion.
8.
the
state
historic
preservation
office
agreed
with
this
and
it's
february
25
22
correspondence,
and
if
you
look
at
that
correspondence,
it
says
not
enough,
it
says
quote:
there
is
insufficient
information
to
evaluate
the
building
in
association
with
historically
significant
events.
I
Moving
on
to
criterion
c
work
of
a
master
or
high
artistic
values,
work
of
a
master
work
of
a
master
is
is
a
figure
of
generally
recognized
greatness
in
a
field.
I
The
property
must
express
a
particular
phase
in
the
development
of
the
master's
career,
an
aspect
of
his
or
her
work,
or
a
particular
idea
or
theme
in
his
or
her
craft,
and
then
it
says
very
importantly,
I'd
ask
that
you
look
at
this
last
paragraph.
A
property
is
not
eligible
as
the
work
of
a
master
simply
because
it
was
designed
by
a
prominent
architect.
I
So
if
not,
every
building
designed
by
frank,
lloyd,
wright
is
eligible,
a
building
that
has
a
very
loose
association
and
really
no
evidence
that
it
was
even
designed
by
malachi
leo
elliott,
unless
it
expresses
a
particular
phase
in
his
career,
an
aspect
of
his
work
or
an
idea
or
theme
in
his
craft
just
not
eligible.
There
has
been
no
evidence
presented
in
this
case
that
any
of
that
is
applicable
here.
I
In
fact,
there's
no
evidence
that
that
mr
elliott,
designed
the
building
at
all
professor
tate,
indicates
again
no
evidence
supporting
the
fact
that
elliott
designed
it
the
bulletin,
requires
we
just
read
about
it
and
her
conclusion
is
even
if
the
building
was
designed
by
elliot.
He
is
not
an
architect
of
generally
recognized
greatness
and
we're
not
here.
To
tell
you,
I
mean
we're
not
here
to
tell
you
he
didn't
design
some
great
buildings
later
in
his
career.
I
He
did
there's
no
question
about
it,
professor
tate,
who
has
taught
on
the
subject
for
37
years.
Her
opinion
is
he's
not
an
architect
of
generally
recognized
greatness
and
there's
been
no
testimony
other
than
he
designed
some
nice
buildings
in
tampa,
which
we
don't
dispute,
but
but,
most
importantly,
here's
where
her
testimony
really
ties
it
in
to
the
criteria.
I
It
says:
there's
no
information
suggesting
that
this
building
expresses
a
particular
phase
in
his
career
aspect
of
his
work
or
idea
theme.
Therefore,
the
master
architect
criterion
does
not
apply
high
artistic
value
under
criterion
c
requires
a
building
must
so
fully
articulate
a
particular
concept
of
design
that
expresses.
I
I
I
That's
all
we've
heard
from
the
city
is:
this
is
a
expression
of
commercial
style
architecture,
but
the
bulletin
makes
clear
that
unless
ideals
or
concepts
are
expressed
more
fully
than
in
other
commercial
buildings,
the
artistic
value
element
of
criterion
c
is
unsatisfied
due
to
the
absence
of
building
form
of
expressing
its
function
or
to
the
use
of
ornament.
The
billing
does
not
qualify
under
criterion
c.
I
The
national
register
guidelines
do
not
delineate
any
period
of
historic
significance
in
tampa
between
1910
and
1960..
Therefore,
the
criterion
is
not
met.
If
you
meet
read
the
criteria,
the
building
hasn't
been
nominated,
so
even
in
order
to
meet
the
local
criteria,
it
has
to
be
constructed
or
achieved
its
significance
during
the
period
of
historic
significance
as
delineated
in
the
national
register.
There
is
no
such
delineation
does
not
meet
the
criteria.
I
I
I
It's
illegal
cannot
be
designated
because
the
client
objects
and
it's
impossible
to
restore
the
building,
and
then
she
points
out
that
this
building
is
not
nearly
as
significant,
historically
or
architecturally
as
many
other
previously.
Buildings
have
been
demolished,
including
moss,
brothers,
walgreens
and
others,
and
she
talks
about
the
new
building
which
is
relevant
to
27-257
sub-sea.
I
I
Joe,
you
know
we're
on
kind
of
a
tight
schedule,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
talk
about
your
background.
Just
tell
the
commission
a
little
bit
about
your
background
and
your
expertise,
especially
with
respect
to
historic
preservation
and
your
work
in
in
downtown
tampa.
D
Continuing
education
over
30
hours,
a
year
of
building
science
and
continuing
education,
that's
required
for
the
multiple
number
of
states
that
I
have
a
license
in
the
rest
of
it
is
in
your
booklet,
and
I
think
we
can
probably
skip
it.
I
D
Yeah,
the
columbia
restaurant
we
added
the
arcades
on
21st
and
22nd
and
restored
the
one
on
7th
avenue
italian
club.
We
worked
on
restorations
for
five
different
phases
of
that
building
over
a
10-year
period,
at
least
that
building
was
down
done
by
elliot
and
we
saw
the
plans
at
the
time
of
his
design
for
the
building,
and
it
was
clearly
his
work
lots
of
problems
with
it
that
had
to
be
solved
and
it's
been
in
a
renovation
stage
ever
since,
but
that's
typical
of
old
buildings.
D
I
Now
you
were
obtained
in
this
case
joe
at
my
request.
Did
you
and
do
an
investigation
of
the
of
the
building
at
520
north
tampa
street
for
its
eligibility
for
listing
and
capable
capability
of
being
restored
as
a
historic
building?.
F
D
Inspection
yeah
I've
made
several
inspections
both
inside
and
outside
the
building.
Okay,.
I
And
what
was
significant
about
the
building
joe.
D
Right
now
nothing
significant
about
the
building,
maybe
at
one
time,
but
certainly
not
now
it.
It's
received
irreparable
harm
by
the
what
you're,
looking
at
right,
now,
mcdonald's
and
then
later
by
the
first
watch
when
they
took
over
and
the
whole
first
floor,
has
been
demolished.
It's
nothing
hidden
there
that
can
be
restored.
It's
gone,
it's
been
gone
since
mcdonald's
first
came
in
and
they
were
in,
I
think
1971.
D
So
from
that
point
on
the
upper
floors,
they
lost
value
from
the
day
they
were
built,
there's
at
least
three
to
five
different
types
of
bricks
on
the
building.
Because
of
the
way
it
was
added
on
to
period
after
period,
there's,
no
continuity,
there's
no
integrity
to
the
exterior
of
the
building.
The
windows
have
been
mentioned
as
being
significant.
The
windows
are
typical
of
the
time.
There's
nothing
special
in
these
windows
they're,
not
tiffany
glass.
D
They
were
just
windows
that
you
would
buy
at
the
time
and
put
in
the
building.
You
know
I
can
go
on
for
hours
if
you'd
like
now.
I
Let
me
guide
you
through
this
a
little
bit
a
little
more
focused
okay,
you
did
it,
you
know,
did
you,
you
saw
the
cracks
and
the
and
the
issues
correct.
D
A
D
You
know,
especially
throughout
the
building,
you
can
trace
the
vertical
tracks,
the
cracks
from
the
roof
down
and
the
the
work
work
was
not
well
done,
and
you
heard
the
reports
about
no
steel
reinforcing
on
it.
You
know
there's
just
nothing
holding
this
up
and
especially
when
you
get
to
the
top
floor
where
they
added
the
level,
and
you
saw
the
photos
of
the
the
black
felt
layer.
Well,
that
was
a
waterproofing
layer
put
on
the
top
of
what
would
have
been
the
purple
wall
for
the
fourth
floor
when
they
added
the
brickwork
going
up.
D
I
Mr
hafner
would
that
all
that
also
provide
problems.
If
you
were
to
renovate
the
building
that
separation
caused
by
the
let's
look
at
see.
If
we
can
find
that
there
we
go
that
tar
paper
yeah.
D
Yeah,
that's
the
black
paper
that
you
see
there
and
it's
been
in
numerous
photographs
that
you've
seen
already
it's
a
continuous
layer
and
that's
where
the
the
purple
wall
would
have
ended
at
the
at
the
roof
level.
Had
it
been
a
four-story
building
but
by
adding
the
fifth
story
on
it,
everything
changed
and
you
you,
the
brickwork
changed.
It
went
up
higher
and
there's
no
connection
between
the
upper
brick
and
the
lower
brick,
because
it's
broken
by
the
paper.
There's
no
adhesion.
D
I
We
talked
you
looked
into
buttressing
and
this
was
talked
about
a
little
bit,
but
I
don't
think
it
came
across
as
real
clear.
Did
you
see
any
buttressing
on
the
building
or
thickened
walls.
D
No
dave
the
search
engineer
mentioned
it
in
his
report.
That's
the
same
double
wide
two
brick
wall,
all
the
way
up
from
the
ground
up.
Normally,
you
would
see
a
thickened
first
floor
level,
especially
back
in
1912,
when
the
building
was
built,
the
ground
floors
and
multiple
story,
buildings
would
have
been
two
or
three
foot
thick
of
brick,
which
you
see
in
this
example
from
chicago
and
as
building
gets
higher.
The
size
of
the
walls
would
diminish
and
be
be
smaller.
As
you
go
up
this
building,
it's
the
same
thickness
all
the
way.
I
Does
the
the
cornice
at
the
top
of
the
third
floor
suggest
anything
to
you
about
how
the
building
was
actually
designed
in
terms
of
the
number
of
stories.
D
It
makes
us
suspect
that
maybe
the
third
floor
or
the
three-story
building
was
the
original
tent
there's,
no,
no
verification
that,
because
there's
no
existing
drawings,
but
we
know
the
four.
The
fifth
floor
was
added,
possibly
the
fourth
floor.
There's
a
letter
back
from
the
state
of
florida
indicates
maybe
the
fourth
and
fifth
floors
were
added
at
one
time.
D
You
can
see
a
change
in
the
brick
between
the
third
floor
and
the
fourth
floor
and
again
in
the
fifth
floor-
and
you
know
you
go
back
now
to
where
the
the
first
floor
is-
has
stucco
brick
all
over
it
and
that's
another
mismatch.
So
the
the
building
was
really
rapidly
harmed
way
back
in
the
1970s.
I
D
It's
a
it's
a
mystery
for
the
window
because,
on
the
outside,
these
windows
all
have
straight
tops.
So
why
would
an
architect
or
engineer
on
the
inside
go
in
and
put
a
wood
lentil
hold
up
and
create
a
brick
arch
for
a
window?
That's
not
arched,
and
by
doing
so,
the
wood
lentils
break
the
bond
between
the
masonry
between
the
two
windows
and
what
is
holding
up
above
it
there's
no
continuous
path
of
load
from
the
upper
part
of
the
window
to
the
bottom
of
the
wall.
D
I
D
I
The
the
fifth
floor:
that's
a
six
by
six
column
and
two
by
six
support,
beams
right,
correct.
D
And-
and
you
would
probably
use
a
six
by
six
wood
column
to
hold
up
a
four
foot
balcony
off
your
house-
you
don't
use
them
to
hold
up
five-story
buildings
and
this
building
from
first
floor
up
has
wood
columns
holding
up
the
whole
building
their
space
too
far
apart
to
carry
the
loads
that
they're
being
asked
to
carry
even
in
an
empty
building
and
you're.
Seeing
deflections
and
the
wood
beams
you're,
seeing
some
bowing
in
the
cows
or
the
cows
aren't
plum
a
couple
points,
and
it's
just
not
well
done.
D
D
D
Okay,
this
photo
here
is
a
good
example
too,
if
you
start
with
and
start
at
the
bottom
of
the
picture
that
band
that
the
pylaster
bricks
are
arresting
on
is
a
precast
concrete
band.
It's
not
a
terracotta
band
on
either
floor.
There
is
some
terracotta
elements
in
the
building,
but
but
the
bands
are
not
them.
The
cornices
are
not
terracotta.
D
As
you
go
up
in
this
photo,
you
can
see
at
least
three,
maybe
four
different
varieties
of
brick
color,
which
shows
a
mismatch
of
production
when
the
building
was
built
that
they
didn't
have
the
same
brick.
It
was
an
clearly,
in
addition,
from
an
earlier
time
period
period
till
later
construction
event
and
then,
as
the
circles
indicate,
you
have
vegetation
growing
through
the
mortar
joints
and
the
brick,
you
actually
have
it
almost
little
tree
at
one
point
there.
D
Those
are
indications
that
the
mortar
between
the
joints
has
deteriorated
over
time.
Water
has
gotten
in
there,
seeds
have
gotten
in
there
created
the
growth
as
the
vegetation
grows,
it
expands
and
the
joints
get
bigger
and,
and
the
problem
gets
worse,
the
biggest
fault
to
this
is,
as
those
joints
open
up.
You
lose
your
tie
between
the
bricks
and,
at
some
point,
all
that
stuff's
going
to
fall
off.
D
No,
I
the
building
will
not
survive.
It's
it's
like
it's
been
said,
it's
a
it's,
a
jungle
game.
You
move
one
part
and
you
don't
know
what
the
domino
effect
of
failure
to
the
rest
of
the
building
will
be.
So
it's
all
all
the
floors
that
have
to
be
replaced.
Basically,
the
inside
of
the
whole
building
would
have
to
be
gutted
and
rebuilt
with
steel
to
try
to
make
this
building
occupiable
by
human
beings.
It
hasn't
been
occupied
by
a
human
being,
since
in
the
last
51
years
the
upper
floors
have
all
been
vacant.
D
I
One
of
the
things
that
that
you
reported
to
me
as
significant
is
the
fact
that
this
building
really
doesn't
have
any
bathrooms
on
any
floor,
except
for
the
first
floor.
What
does
that
tell
you
about
the
what
the
the
building
was
really
designed
for.
D
Well,
the
building
and
was
designed
as
a
as
a
furniture
store
on
the
first
level
in
a
warehouse
for
furniture
on
the
upper
floors
and
what
you
didn't
see
in
the
sanborn
maps
that
were
presented.
If
they
moved
it
to
the
right
a
little
you
would
have
seen
the
railroad
tracks
and
the
docket
on
the
hillsborough
river.
This
is
where
the
supplies
and
came
into
tampa
were
downloaded,
went
across
the
street
across
ashley
to
this
building
and
they
were
stored
and
people
would
walk
in
on
the
ground.
D
Floor,
possibly
use
the
mezzanine
and
they
would
pick
and
buy
the
furniture
pieces
that
they
wanted
to.
But
the
upper
floors
were
all
for
storage
and
going
through
the
building
it's
hard
to
tell
even
where
the
stairway
was
inside,
because
I
suspect
it
was
in
the
southwest
corner
where
one
of
the
new
stairway
is,
but
there's
no
patchwork
through
the
floors
from
floor
to
floor.
That
would
have
indicated
a
stairway
from
the
first
floor
to
the
second
floor
or
up
through
the
building
in
any
place
other
than
those
two
corners.
D
I
On
the
on
the
hardship,
the
word
that
was
hardship
now
we
have
a
full-blown
hearing
later
on,
if
possibly
on
hardship.
So
we're
not
going
to
present
that
today,
but
joe
did
you
do
a
an
analysis
of
from
a
30
000
foot
perspective
of
what
it
would
take
in
terms
of
dollars,
even
if
it
were
possible
to
restore
this
building
on
what
it
would
cost?
I
I
did
what
was
where
is
that
in
your
report?
By
the
way,
the
reports
that
I
think
tap,
seven
along
with
mr
hafner's
resume?
What
were
it's
in
their
books
right?
It's
in
their.
D
Books,
okay,
all
right!
Well,
I
went
through
the
the
the
common
issues
that
you
would
start
with,
with
renovating
or
doing
a
building
if
it
were
new-
and
you
start
with.
What's
what
your
base
layer
of
the
the
county
cdb
plan
is
and
then
the
zoning
and
what
could
be
allowed
to
go
on
this
property,
but
in
terms
of
renovation
you're
dealing
with
all
the
building
codes
fire
codes,
you
know,
that's
a
three
foot
stack
high
of
codes
anymore,
the
occupancy
group.
If
we
figure
business
on
the
upper
floors,
you
still
may
be.
D
Do
you
dealing
with
a
mixed
use
on
ground
level,
one
if
it's
a
restaurant
or
bar
use
whoever's
there
now
would
probably
have
to
move
out
of
the
building
for
one
to
two
years,
while
the
work
was
done.
You
couldn't
habitat
that
ground
floor
level.
Why
a
major
gutting
of
the
building
was
going
on
getting
to
the
summary
at
the
back
end
of
of
my
report,
that
even
if
the
building
was
structurally
capable
of
reuse,
renovation
and
repair,
this
is
long
and
extensive.
I
D
D
Our
recommendations
is
that
you
would
need
two
two
two
elevators
of
2500
pounds
of
greater
for
tenant
use
to
get
from
four
one
to
four
five,
and
they
would
also
have
to
be
that
size
to
meet
the
ada
requirements
for
upper
floor
accessibility
and
we'd
recommend
a
freight
elevator.
So
at
least
two
to
three
elevators.
You
need
lobbies
to
go
with
those
elevators
depending
how
the
tenant
floors
came
out.
You'd
have
to
connect
each
stairway
with
a
exit
access
corridor,
so
you're
diminishing
your
releasable
rentable
area.
I
I
If
you
made
all
of
these
additions,
I'm
not
strike
that,
let's
take.
Let's
talk
about
the.
I
The
exterior
architectural
features
of
the
building,
obviously
two
sides
are
not
architecturally
significant
whatsoever.
Correct
yeah,.
I
So
we're
starting
with
at
most
50
percent
of
this
building,
could
be
architecturally
significant
right,
correct,
and
then
we
have
the
the
first
floor
or
the
ground
floor.
I
guess
is,
has
been
completely
redone
right.
Does
that
have
any
architectural
significance
anymore?
It.
D
Is
none
that
are
any
architectural
integrity
of
the
ground
floor
levels
disappeared
in
1971
when
mcdonald's
first
came
in
and
it
was
further
deteriorated.
When
first
watch
submitted
their
plans
for
renovation
in
the
1996.
I
think
it
was.
I
And
these
these
little
holes
there,
that
shows
where
the
canopy
was
removed.
The
original
canopy
is
that
right.
D
I
D
I
And
what
impact
do
those
have
on
the
windows,
their
usability,
their
ability
to
provide
light
to
the
building
etc?.
D
They
blocked
in
the
wall
behind
where
it
used
to
be
a
storefront
opening
for
the
furniture
store
originally.
So
behind
that
mural
you
see
behind
the
tree,
there
is
all
concrete
block
infill
according
to
the
plans
from
1971,
and
that
goes
all
the
way
up
to
the
roof
level.
So
those
windows
that
you
see
for
five
stories
of
windows
there,
the
two
on
the
left,
which
is
you
know,
forty
percent
of
the
front
elevation-
are
not
accessible,
they're,
all
blocked
or
painted
over.
D
At
this
point,
and
even
if
you
had
glass
in
them,
you'd
be
glassed
up
to
a
block
wall
behind
it.
So
it's
lost
its
integrity
and
value
as
a
window
completely.
So.
I
With
basically,
I
guess
40
of
those
windows
being
affected.
What
what
I,
I
guess,
we're
down
to
around
30
to
35
percent
of
the
building
that
could
have
any
architectural
significance
is
that
right.
D
I
You
you
saw
the
report
that
there
was
terra
cotta
on
this
building.
D
Yeah
the
report
indicates
that
the
the
cornish
level
of
the
third
floor
is
terracotta
and
again
at
the
at
the
roof
level.
There
above
the
fifth
floor
from
our
examination,
photographs
and
stuff
that
we
were
able
to
take
from
the
interior.
It's
it
looks
just
like
it's
precast,
concrete
or
stone.
It
has
four
or
five
levels
of
paint
on
it
that
have
deteriorated,
but
you
can
see
the
the
diminishing
levels
of
paint.
It's
not
a
terracotta.
I
I
I
That's
the
inside!
Well,
they
got
inside
and
outside
the
wood
on
the
inside
right,
yeah.
D
There
are
wood
window
windows
on
the
inside
they're,
not
you
know,
framed
into
the
brick
again
like
you
do
to
code
today
on
the
outside
yeah
there's
a
good
view
of
the
outside.
Is
that
marble?
No,
that's,
not
marble,
that's
a
cast
stone
or
cast
concrete,
and
you
can
see
the
chipped
off
layers
of
paint
that
are
still
exposed.
This
is
another
example
of
that
it
is.
I
All
right
so
now
the
other
interior
details
there
what's
left
of
the
tin
ceiling
on
all
the
floors,
is
it
there
and
intact.
I
B
I
Yes,
madam
chair,
we
are
just
about
finished.
Thank
you.
D
Go
ahead
but
continue
on
and
you
thought
that
part
of
a
building
can't
be
listed.
It
has
to
be
the
whole
building
and
you
can't
say
that
30
percent
of
the
front,
facade
and
and
40
of
the
north
wall
is
enough
to
put
a
building
on
the
national
register.
The
national
register
is
only
for
the
very
best
of
the
best
buildings
that
are
that
have
withstood
the
tests
of
time.
This
building
hasn't.
It's
been
a
failure,
since
probably
1930
the
floors
have
unoccupied.
I
Is
this
building
associated
with
historic
events
such
that?
It's
that
it
qualifies
under
criterion
a
of
the
national
register
criteria.
I
The
works
of
a
master,
you
heard
the
the
standard
in
your
opinion,
does
it
qualify
under
the
works
of
a
master.
D
D
Yeah
the
history
of
mr
elliot,
he
ran
away
from
home
at
15
and
he
was
26
years
old
when
this
building
was
designed.
I've
been
in
practice
a
long
time
and
hired
a
lot
of
people
with
college
degrees
in
their
20s
and
they're,
not
very
good
architects
at
age,
26.
and.
I
So,
based
on
that
and
the
fact
that
the
first
name
in
the
firm
is
bonfire,
we
don't
know,
but
if,
if
you
were,
if
you
had
to
make
a
decision
on
who
and
your
estimation
between
those
two
designed
the
building,
who
would
it
be.
D
Possibly
bonfire
he
was
a
senior
partner.
If,
if
it
was
a
partnership,
it
only
lasted
ten
years,
his
name,
you
know
if
you
were
the
head
guy,
your
name
would
be
first.
I
think
the
same
was
true
back
in
1900s.
I
27
257
raised
by
the
city,
mr
hefner,
discusses
historic
districts.
This
property
is
not
part
of
a
district,
correct,
correct.
This
downtown
franklin,
multiple
properties
group
has
a
number
of
buildings
that
are
part
of
that
group
and
they're
mapped
out
here
on
this
slide.
Are
you
familiar
with
that
map?
I
am.
D
I
No,
they
aren't
okay
and
you
researched
publications
and
materials
to
try
to
find
anything
delineating.
A
period
of
historic
significance
in
tampa
between
1912
and
1972
under
the
national
register.
Publications
is
that
right
in
regard
to
this
project.
Yes,
was
there
any
such
significant
period
identified
in
the
national
register?
Publications?
No,
it's
not
you're,
also
familiar
just
going
to
walk
through
them
very
quickly
with
84
adelia,
that
was
in
the
national
register.
I
D
I
Building
is
about
520.,
it
was
fowler
house
more
significant
architecturally
than
is
the
520
building.
D
I
I
124
baltic
circle
same
question:
this
this
was
actually
delineated
in
the
rest.
A
I
I
To
move
it
along,
so
I
will
submit
into
the
record
the
powerpoint
that
has
the
materials
they're
relevant
really
for
kind
of
fairness
and
that
you
know
we're
entitled
to
be
treated
equally
to
these
other
folks,
and
so
that's
the
reason
for
their
inclusion.
So
thank
you
for
that,
and
and
if
necessary,
you
know
I'd
like
to
reserve
some
time
for
rebuttal,
but
I
understand
we're
under
a
very
tight
time
frame.
Thank
you
very,
very
much
for
your
for
your
patience
and
consideration
today.
A
I
Let's
see
a
number
of
downtown
buildings
which
look
like
there
are
four,
or
at
least
four
or
five
other
downtown
buildings
that
we
we,
you
know
moss
brothers
and
others
that
we're
talking
about
they're
in
the
powerpoint
presentation,
which,
with
your
permission,
I
will
submit
to
you
now.
I
That
concludes
our
presentation.
Unless
anyone
has
any
questions.
B
Do
we
yeah?
I
will
do
that
at
this
point
in
time,
we'll
move
to
public
comment.
If
there
is
anyone
in
the
audience
who
wishes
to
make
a
remark,
please
step
forward,
after
which
the
applicant
will
have
an
opportunity
to
make
a
five-minute
rebuttal.
B
A
A
He
served
his
apprenticeship
and
gained
his
expertise
on
the
theorems
and
mechanics
of
architecture
and
don
barber's
artelier
of
new
york
city
and
the
cooper
institute
from
new
york.
He
went
to
norfolk
virginia
where
he
designed
many
of
the
buildings
for
the
jamestown
exposition
after
arriving
in
tampa
on
his
21st
birthday
april,
4th
1907
competitive
designs
were
prepared
for
centro
esturiano
club
ymca
building
in
this
tampa
city
hall,
all
designs
won
first
place
on
september,
2nd
1907,
the
partnership
of
bonfire
and
elliott
architects.
Inc
was
formed.
A
The
partnership
was
dissolved
at
the
beginning
of
world
war,
one
during
the
war.
He
served
as
an
engineer
in
the
construction
of
reinforced
concrete
oil
tankers
for
the
u.s
concrete
division
in
jacksonville
florida
returning
to
tampa
in
1920.
He
resumed
the
practice
of
architecture
under
the
firm
name
of
emilio
elliott,
inc,
architects
and
engineers
with
offices
in
tampa
st
petersburg
sarasota
and
orlando,
with
the
real
estate
boom
of
the
1920s,
his
work
dominated
davis
islands.
A
His
designs
of
this
time
did
not
attempt
to
follow
the
classic
symmetry
of
the
beaux
art
school,
but
reflected
in
intense
study
of
the
renaissance
structures
in
spain
and
italy.
The
tower
palazzo
vecchio
was
adapted
to
this
dominant
feature
of
the
palace
of
florence
apartments
on
davis
boulevard,
the
block
on
the
drawing
states,
palazzo
ferenze,
the
1920s
buildings
boom
include
the
palace
of
florence
apartments,
the
dp
davis
administration
building
now
seabourn
academy
and
the
original
building
of
tampa
municipal
hospital
now
tampa
general
hospital,
the
same
produced
the
gas
tampa
gas
building
since
destroyed.
A
Well,
he
was
aia
registration,
number,
five
helped
pass
the
licensing
in
the
state
of
florida
for
architects
and
I'd
like
to
read
a
quote
from
the
late
elliot
c,
fletcher,
also
a
notable
tampa
architect
and
former
partner
who
spoke
in
1977
when
the
american
institute
of
architects
presented
a
posthumous
medal
of
honor
to
emilio
elliott.
Emilio
elliott
was
very
active
in
the
profession,
civic
and
social
life
of
tampa
a
positive
thinking.
A
A
A
A
B
A
B
A
B
B
A
Good
afternoon.
F
Dennis
fernandez,
architectural
review
and
pres
historic
preservation
manager,
thank
you
very
much
for
your
patients
this
morning
and
allowing
both
the
city
and
the
property
owners
agents
to
state
the
facts
that
they
feel
are
relevant.
I
think,
from
my
perspective
on
a
rebuttal,
I've
presented
you
with
information.
F
Obviously
we
based
much
of
our
conclusion
on
27
260
on
the
opinion
of
the
state.
They
are
the
appropriate
entity
to
refer
to
for
designations
related
to
the
national
register,
historic
places.
I
presented
you
with
the
information
related
to
257
as
well.
I
believe
that
information
still
relevant,
given
the
testimony
that
you
you've
heard
today.
As
far
as
the
process
goes,
I
would
say
that
there
obviously
was
a
much
more
thorough
examination
of
the
interior.
F
F
I
do
want
to
state
that
I
believe
at
a
local
level,
criterion
a
and
c
apply.
There
may
be
debate
from
a
national
level
on
on
what
that
criteria
should
be.
I
think
there
was
opportunity
for
further
discussion
with
this.
The
national
register
review
board,
perhaps,
but
in
that
the
owner
does
not
consent
to
designation.
That
discussion
is
unlikely
to
happen.
I
will
stand
behind
the
staff's
position
that
emilio
elliott
of
bonaparte
and
elliott
was
involved
in
the
design
of
this
building.
F
We
have
references
that
are
you
know
within
within
the
designation
report
that
identify
him
there's
a
specific
tampa
tribune
article
from
1912,
why
the
building
was
being
built
that
references,
mr
elliott
and
mr
bonifoy,
so
I
feel
confident
that
that
fact
remains
prior
to
the
conclusion
of
this
hearing.
I
would
like
an
opportunity
to
enter
some
documents
that
the
staff
has
referenced
into
the
record
as
well,
and
I
can
do
that
by
reference
at
the
appropriate
time.
Thank
you
sure.
F
I
believe
the
national
register
bulletin
15,
was
already
entered
by
the
agent
for
the
property
owner,
but
I
would
also
like
to
enter
national
register
bulletin.
How
to
complete
the
national
register
form
I'd
like
to
submit
the
document.
What
style
is
it
a
guide
to
american
architecture
september
16,
2016
letter
to
five
520
north
campus
street,
which
was
an
early
effort
to
try
to
encourage
preservation
by
the
city
to
that
that
property
owner
at
that
time?
I
Was
a
an
offer
of
evidence
into
the
record
on
on
a
matter
that
we
asked
for
that
document
to
be
produced
to
us
in
a
public
records
request,
it
was
not
produced
so
have
an
objection
to
the
city
introducing
into
the
record
a
document
that
we've
asked
for
three
weeks
ago
and
never
received,
and
it
is
this
alleged
2016
letter
we've
never
seen
it.
So
that's!
That's
all
I
wanted
and
thank
you
again
very
much
for
your
time.
I
understand
that
the
record's
closed.
I
just
want
to
thank
you.
I
B
A
Like
to
make
a
comment,
so
I'm
commissioner
carrien
kench-
and
I
a
little
bit
about
my
background.
So
I
have
my
master.
Well,
I'm
getting
my
master's.
I
have
my
bachelor's
fine
arts
from
syracuse
university
interior
design
and
I'm
completing
my
master's
thesis
for
my
master's
program
from
the
school
of
the
art
institute
of
chicago
in
historic
preservation,
and
I
think
it's
interesting
that
you
bought
up
the
merchandise
mart
because
that's
in
chicago
and
it's
a
very
different
building
from
this
building,
because
that
was
the
largest
building
in
the
world
square
footage-wise.
A
So
it
was
constructed
very
differently.
Also.
I
thought
about
everything
that
was
presented
today
and
I
I
wrote
down
in
my
notes.
Consider
the
loop
in
downtown
chicago,
downtown
chicago,
maintains
its
historic
buildings
on
the
street
on
the
ground
level.
So
when
you're
in
the
loop,
you
see
the
curb
appeal
that
you
get
is
that
you're
walking
in
like
an
old
style
area
or
whatever
chicago
architectural
wise,
but
they
build
their
high
rises
in
such
a
way
that
it
sets
back
from
the
ground
level
of
the
historic
buildings.
A
I
don't
think
it
took
consideration
of
that
building
at
all
of
incorporating
it
into
the
new
structure
that
you're
going
to
build,
like
other
cities
have
done,
and
so,
when
I
think
about
the
development
of
tampa
in
a
whole,
you
have
to
think
about
it
as
a
whole.
And
so
I'm.
I
really
appreciate
the
granddaughter
of
the
architect
that
designed
the
building,
because
the
national
landmark
they
designate
tenement
buildings
as
well
as
prominent
buildings
and
the
situation
with
penn
state
penn
central
station
versus
the
city
of
new
york.
A
That's
what
started
the
landmark
thing
so
for
me.
I
think
both
can
exist
and
I
don't
think
a
building
has
to
be
demolished.
I
think
I
think
the
building
can
be
restored
structurally.
I
don't
know
all
of
the
details,
but
according
to
the
significance,
the
date
of
construction,
it's
over
50
years
old,
even
the
addition
is
over
50
years
old
and
it's
in
keeping
with
the
architectural
style
of
the
building
and
the
building
has
tapestry
brick
on
it.
A
Those
were
work
buildings
but
they're,
even
still
considering
them
for
designation,
because
it
has
to
do
with
the
fabric
of
america
and
in
the
same
way,
the
commercial
development
of
downtown
tampa
does
have
significance.
But
if
we
remove
everything
we
won't,
we
won't
ever
see
that
we
won't
ever
see
the
development
of
the
city
over
time.
If
everything
looks
the
same,
so
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
I
appreciate
all
of
the
things
that
you
guys
put
together.
A
I
appreciate
that
everybody
spoke
about
it,
but
as
a
as
the
building,
the
building
has
integrity
and
the
windows
are
still
there.
The
I
mean
if
the
only
way
it
doesn't
maintain
this
integrity
if
they
fill
it
in.
So
that's
all
there,
but
it's
a
matter
of
thinking
outside
the
box
and
if
you
don't
think
outside
the
box,
you
won't
design
for
something
outside
of
the
box,
and
I
just
wanted
to
share
that.
A
A
Sorry,
questions
of
staff-
yes
well.
A
A
Yep,
my
apologies
before
we
do
that.
Are
we
we're
going
to.
B
C
The
question
before
us
is
pretty
narrow,
I
mean,
is
it?
Is
it
eligible
for
the
national
register
and
consistent
with
this
state,
with
the
city,
ordinance
and
and
to
me
it
is
clearly
eligible
under
anc
and
I
think
it
retains
its
integrity
take
away
the
first.
You
know
there
is
a
loss
of
integrity
in
the
first
floor,
but
the
distinguishing
elements
are
really
on
the
upper
floors
and
all
those
elements
are
present.
B
Correct
I
would
like
to
offer
that
that
the
building
is
eligible,
also
under
criteria
b
associated
with
the
lives
of
persons
significant
in
our
past.
Our
past
is
tampa's
past
and
emily
o'elliot
was
clearly
an
outstanding
and
significant
contributor
to
the
development
of
historic
fabric
in
the
city
of
tampa
and
elsewhere.
B
But
primarily,
our
concern
is
the
city
of
tampa
and,
as
we
put
our
thinking
caps
on
here,
I
believe
that
criteria
b
should
also
be
considered
in
that
conversation
when
historic
buildings,
when
there
is
no
desire
to
save
an
historic
building,
anyone
any
any
historic
building
can
be
made
to
look
like
it
is
impossible
to
restore
and
possibly
damaged,
impossibly
irreparable
and
in.
If
that
were
the
case,
then
the
coliseum
in
rome
would
no
longer
be
existing.
The
sistine
chapel
would
no
longer
be
existing.
B
Venice
would
no
longer
be
existing
major
buildings.
All
over
the
united
states
would
no
longer
be
existing,
and
I
feel
that
the
city's
downtown
has
already
lost
an
un
indescribable
number
of
its
historic
buildings,
for
lack
of
attention
by
the
owners
of
those
buildings
to
have
an
attitude
of
civic
pride
and
historic
pride
and
the
restoration
of
those
buildings
fall
into
that
category.
B
B
And
you
know
if
it
weren't
for
the
lack
of
care
and
attention
and
shame
on
the
former
owners
of
that
building.
Quite
frankly
for
having
it
let
let
it
go
for
so
long
without
some
attention
to
some
of
those
elements.
But
those
are
elements
that,
because
they
are
encountered
in
any
historic
building,
are
fixable.
They
are
repairable
and
it
just
depends
on
the
extent
to
which
the
owner
is
willing
to
go
and
in.
In
my
opinion,
categories
a
and
c,
as
well
as
b,
are
all
have.
A
B
So
may
we
have
emotion
well,
are
you
you're
done?
Oh
okay?
So
I
would
please
ask
for
a
motion
from
the
commission.
B
F
Just
a
couple
things,
commissioner,.
B
Next
meeting
is
june
14
2020
at
9
00
a.m
in
2022.