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B
B
We
are
here
today
to
introduce
our
commissioners
and
our
staff,
who
are
present
with
us
today.
So
please
introduce
yourself
and
your
position
on
the
commission,
beginning
on
my
right.
B
B
G
Good
morning,
Commissioners
Dennis,
Fernandez
architecture,
review
and
historic
preservation
manager.
Welcome
to
this
morning's
hearing.
We
do
have
a
number
of
items
on
the
agenda,
but
I
did
want
to
first
begin
with
introducing
and
welcoming
our
newest
staff
member
to
our
division.
Heather
bonds,
who's
here
in
the
audience
with
us
this
morning
and
Heather
comes
to
us
from
our
sister
agency
in
our
department
from
development
coordination.
G
So
she's
got
some
experience
with
the
city,
but
her
preservation
experience
extends
far
beyond
that
to
critical
roles
in
the
city
of
Orlando
as
their
historic
preservation
officer.
So
we
welcome
Heather
she's,
going
to
be
a
big
part
of
our
program
and
for
this
particular
board,
moving
forward
and
I
think
it's
going
to
really
open
up
the
capacity
that
we've
been
lacking
to
move
some
of
our
items
forward
in
the
upcoming
months.
G
One
of
the
roles
that
I
serve
under
is
a
appointment
to
the
historic,
Hillsborough
County
historic
advisory
committee
that
actually
considers
applications
and
develops
language
for
the
historic
markers
throughout
the
city
and
I
wanted
to
pass
some
of
these
opportunities
along
to
you,
as
as
the
liaison
for
the
city
with
this
particular
program,
and
let
you
know
about
some
of
the
plot,
dedications
and
ceremonies
that
are
coming
up
this
month,
there's
actually
a
really
interesting
one
on
the
30th,
which
is
a
mural,
that's
being
dedicated
in
Ybor
City,
along
with
a
historic
marker
and
and
then
there's
going
to
be
a
plaque.
G
That's
celebrating
the
1937
anti-fascist
women's
March
that
occurred
in
Ybor
City.
So
if
you
are
available,
please
join
us
I'll,
be
there
myself
and
it's
always
a
wonderful
time.
Seeing
the
community
come
together
to
celebrate
our
history
and
with
that
I
will
move
on
to
the
disclosure
of
conflicts
of
interest
and
ex
parte
communication
with
our
legal
counsel,
good.
H
H
H
G
And
with
that,
we
are
ready
for
the
square
end,
so
I
believe
it's
just
staff
here
today
or
anyone
in
the
audience
that's
going
to
be
speaking.
Please
stand
and
raise
your
right
hand
for
the
spurring.
I
G
And
this
morning
we
are
very
happy
to
have
with
us
Brandi
Nicholas
who's,
the
president
of
the
friends
of
Tampa
Union
Station
who's
here,
to
provide
us
with
an
update
on
what's
going
on
at
Tampa,
Union
Station.
It
is
one
of
the
city's
local
landmark
structures
and
is
listed
on
the
national
register
of
historic
places.
A
very
special
place
in
our
city
and
Brandi
is
going
to
kind
of
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
what's
been
going
on
with
the
friends
of
Tampa,
Union,
Station
and
and
progress
at
the
station
itself.
G
J
Well,
good
morning,
just
as
Dennis
stated,
my
name
is
Brandi
miklas
I
am
the
volunteer
board
member
and
president
of
friends
of
Tampa
Union,
Station
and
I
have
three
updates
for
you
regarding
Union
Station
and
there's
no
formal
presentation
today,
I
guess.
The
most
formal
item
is
to
show
you
item
number
one
I
was
going
to
mention
friends
of
Tampa
Union
Station
received
a
historic
preservation
Grant
through
Hillsborough
County's
competitive
grant,
funding
in
2020
to
restore
one
of
the
original
buildings.
That's
not
attached
to
the
main
station.
It's
just
right
behind
it.
J
It's
a
little
over
about
3,
200
square
feet
and
it's
known
as
the
baggage
building
right
now,
the
baggage,
building
or
I'm.
Sorry
prior
to
its
restoration.
It
did
not
have
heating
and
air.
It
did
not
have
fire
protection,
it
needed
electrical
upgrades.
It
needed
new
upgrades
to
basically
every
component
of
the
baggage
building,
and
so
we
were
able,
due
to
the
Hillsborough
County
historic
preservation
Grant,
as
well
as
donations
from
Friends
of
Tampa,
Union,
Station,
board
members
and
other
private
donate
donors,
and
we
were
able
to
restore
the
building.
J
We
had
a
ribbon
cutting
for
it.
Last
November
and
we,
the
friends
group,
was
recognized
in
last
month
for
the
downtown
Partnerships
Urban
excellence
awards.
We
were
recognized
for
the
downtown
collaboration
award
and
it
was
it
was.
It
was
a
great
story
of
volunteers.
Working
to
preserve
the
station
friends
of
Tempe
Union
Station
is
is
the
successor
of
the
original
friends
group.
It
was
known
as
the
Tampa
Union
Station
preservation.
I
should
know
what
the
r
stands
for
restaurant
tusper
was.
The
acronym
Dennis
is
available.
J
That's
what
it
is.
Dennis
is
a
long
time
board
member
for
friends
at
Tiffany
station
as
an
ex-officio
board
member.
So
we
we
are
just
following
in
their
footsteps
and
continuing
you
know
preserving
the
past
to
ensure
the
future,
so
that
was
number
one
I
wanted
to
mention
that
those
accolades
really
mean
a
lot.
So
that
was
great
to
be
recognized,
and
my
second
item
is
a
design
build
for
two
million
dollars
worth
of
restorations
inside
the
station.
J
J
J
However,
more
repairs
and
restoration
are
needed
at
this
time,
and
so
through
funding
of
the
from
the
downtown
CRA,
as
well
as
some
Grant
efforts
that
the
friends
of
Tampa
Union
Station
board
members
have
been
pursuing
through
fra
and
the
State
of
Florida
we
are,
are
moving
forward.
The
city
of
Tampa
is
moving
forward
with
that
restoration
work.
J
So
we'll
make
sure
to
keep
I'll
make
sure
to
keep
Dennis
and
he'll
stay
as
informed
as,
of
course,
in
his
role
as
historic
preservation
manager
for
the
city.
But
we
would
love
to
report
back
progress
and
provide
some
photos.
Imagery
is
great:
I
apologize,
I,
don't
have
a
full
deck
with
you
for
you
today,
and
the
final
item
is
the
friends
of
Tampa
Union
Station.
We
prior
to
the
pandemic.
We
had
an
annual
event.
J
It
was
always
on
the
second
Saturday
in
May,
and
it
recognized
that
basically,
the
birthday
of
the
station,
which
was
May
15
1912
and
it's
called
Tampa
Train
Day.
So
we
haven't
had
this
community
event
since
2019,
and
even
though
there's
going
to
be
work
going
on
at
the
station,
it'll
be
more
of
the
design
portion
of
this
work.
J
I,
don't
think
we'll
be
in
having
to
say,
excuse
our
dust
at
this
point
Come
May
of
this
year,
but
we
are
going
to
have
a
Tampa
Train
Day
event
recognize
the
25th
anniversary
of
the
reopening
and
restoration
of
the
of
the
station.
It
will
be
Saturday,
May
13th.
It
starts
at
10
A.M.
The
mayor
will
be
joining
us
at
the
beginning
and
it
will
have
music
and
some
food
trucks
and,
of
course,
some
amazing
displays
of
historic
preservation
and
Trey
enthusiasts.
J
B
What
what
is
the
the
baggage
building
being
used
for
now
now
that
has
been
restored?
Well,.
J
B
J
You
asked
because
I
was
a
little
tardy
today
because
there's
actually
an
event
going
on
right
now.
The
city
of
Tampa's
mobility
department
is
hosting
a
two-day
community
charette
at
the
station
regarding
the
Twiggs
Street
corridor.
So
the
Twiggs
Street
Corridor
runs.
You
know,
East
West
Down
is
from
basically
from
Ashley
drive.
All
the
way
to
Channelside
Drive
is
the
full
twig
Street
Corridor
Tampa
Union
Station
is
located
at
the
corner
of
Twiggs
and
Nebraska
thought
it
would
be
a
great
location
for
the
community
charette,
and
so
that
is
just
one
example.
J
Public
meetings,
USF
School
of
Architecture
and
Community
design
has
hosted
a
poster
session
there
on
some
students
plans
for
a
Franklin,
Street
revisioning,
and
there
have
also
been
a
few
just
again.
Community
related
events.
So
it's
it's
3
200
square
feet
it.
It
is
ready
to.
It
is
shining
right
now,
but
it's
ready
to
be
used
as
a
meeting
space
and
Community
event.
Space.
J
Agree,
we
have
photos
available
on
the
friends
of
Tempe
news
station
Facebook
page
pretty
active
on
other
social
media
Twitter,
for
instance,
but
I
would
say,
Facebook
is
probably
the
best
and
then
there's
the
simple
website.
Tampaunianstation.Com.
B
B
J
Will
it
will
so
that
it'll
remain
an
active
it?
My
understanding
is
there
there's
going
to
be
minimal
work
that
will
require
the
Amtrak
station
agents
to
relocate
the
ticket
office
from
the
main
building
they're
going
to
be
the
collage
companies
has
a
history
of
working
on
active
train
stations,
and
so
the
passengers
will
there
will
be
some
disruption,
but
it's
going
to
be
a
matter
of
days,
not
even
weeks
or
months
is
my
understanding
and
the
yeah.
J
C
You
were
talking
about
Train,
Day,
Saturday,
May
13th.
Of
what
time
does
that
begin?.
J
Thank
you
all
yeah,
it's
nice
to
see
you
all
in
person
too.
I
sometimes
see
you.
You
know
in
the
city's
YouTube,
because
I'm
a
little
bit
of
a
dork
and
watch
that
I
mean
you
don't
have
to
be
an
Enthusiast
and.
G
Then,
just
to
tie
this
back
together,
I
think
we,
we
obviously
recognize
Tampa
Union
Station
as
being
a
very
significant
historic
resource
in
the
city
and
I.
Think
as
a
city
we're
very
fortunate.
To
still
have
you
know
our
our
principal
rail
terminal
in
its
original
use,
a
lot
of
train
stations
and
other
communities
have
been
repurposed
into.
G
You
know
other
different
types
of
uses,
but
you
know
we
we
can
still
experience
Tampa
Union
Station,
as
it
was
meant
to
be
and
part
of
our
program
in
in
sort
of
the
macro
sound
system
to
bring
recognition
and
bring
protection
to
Historic
properties.
But
it
also
takes
a
village
to
keep
these
buildings
in
a
condition
where
they
could
be
they're
still
viable,
where
they
still
attract
in
interest
and
investment
and,
like
the
friends
groups,
those
people
that
put
in
the
time
and
put
in
the
Sweat
Equity
are
integral
to
Historic
preservation.
F
May
I!
Yes,
please
come
on
it's
time
it's
on!
So,
in
the
same
vein,
Dennis
and
I
mentioned
this
to
you
earlier
that
recently
I
had
the
opportunity
to
drive
by
the
Jackson
hotel
and
was
stunned
by
the
level
of
deterioration.
I
mean
it's
really
I
would
say
demolition
by
neglect
at
this
point,
and
so
I
wonder
if
maybe
at
the
next
meeting,
if
you
could
give
us
an
update
as
to
the
the
plans
for
that
structure
and
where
are
we
on
it,
I'm
truly
a
little
bit
at
a
loss.
G
Sure,
just
to
maybe
one
footnote
on
it,
I
don't
want
to
approach
this
as
demolition
by
neglect,
because
it's
it's
certainly
not
that,
but
it
is
been
a
very
challenging
property
and
there
is
work.
That's
that's!
On
underway,
I
will
be
happy
to
kind
of
bring
the
the
update
back
to
you
in
our
May
hearing
and
perhaps
have
some
other
individuals
kind
of
participate
that
can
could
inform
you
about.
G
What's
going
on
a
lot
of
people
in
the
community
have
concerns
and
are
working
on
this
this
project
daily
to
try
to
try
to
save
it.
D
Thank
you,
yes,
I
would
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up.
Commissioner
I
was
going
to
actually
wait
into
new
business.
This
has
been
on
my
mind
for
quite
a
few
months.
Actually,
since
August
with
Adobe
bill
and
I
know
you're
going
to
fill
us
in
on
that.
What
I
keep
seeing
is
that
black
and
African
places
in
the
city
of
Tampa
is
continuously
being
neglected.
Every
Sunday
I
drive
by
the
Jackson
house,
because
I
dropped
my
grandmother
off
to
church
to
Mount,
Moriah
and
I.
D
Go
live
on
Facebook
every
week
to
see
that
and
I'm
going
to
take
my
time
saying
this,
because
it's
I'm
37
years
old
and
I've
seen
that
place
almost
every
week
of
my
life
and
I
see
that
the
city
of
Tampa
takes
time
to
preserve
places
like
let's
see,
preserved
places
like
cemeteries,
that
I
don't
see
any
black
cemeteries
preserved
and
that's
another
thing
I'm
bringing
up
in
new
business.
D
Every
week
when
I
go
by
there,
I
see
police
officers
sitting
out
there,
but
I
don't
see
cautionary
tape.
I
don't
see
a
placard
that
shows
what
the
black
community
bought
in
that
area
right
next
to
that
train
station,
even
in
the
train
station
I,
don't
see
the
black
Porters
that
made
sure
that
train
station
is
continuously
in
use.
It
seems
as
though
everything
that
has
that
black
hands
has
touched
in
the
city
of
Tampa
it's
going
away.
D
If
we
take
a
trip
to
Jackson
house
more
than
likely
there
will
be
boards
on
the
ground.
You
can't
even
walk
by
the
windows
because
the
piece
might
fall
out
and
we
get
updates
on
on
things
in
Ybor
City.
We
get
updates
on
new
sidewalks,
but
for
a
commissioner
have
to
come
in
here
and
ask
for
things
that
are
already
on
our
agenda.
D
I
was
born
in
1985
and
when
Dolby
bill
was
originally
on
this
agenda,
it
was
not
taken
care
of
and
now
I'm
here
serving
and
again
you're
giving
us
an
update
and
dolbyville
is
still
being
forgotten
and
I've
been
on.
This
commission,
since
2018.
I
have
been
I
have
I
have
looked.
I
have
tried
my
best
to
intervene
on
things
that
concern
my
community,
but
today,
I
am
upset
because
of
the
things
that
affect
me
and
my
family,
things
that
affect
my
history
in
East.
Tampa
is
not
being
remembered.
D
It's
falling
apart
as
we
sit
here
so
I
am
making
a
ask
from
you,
Mr
Dennis,
because
I
I,
you
just
quoted
it's
about
five
minutes
minutes
ago.
It
takes
a
village
to
keep
buildings
preserved
in
Tampa.
What
are
we
going
to
do
as
a
commission
and
as
a
city
of
Tampa
to
keep
the
African-American
Community
here,
because
I
I'm
happy
when
I
go
to
grand
openings
and
Restorations,
but
we
have
29th
Street
that
is,
is
deplorable.
I
walked
down
there
in
2021
in
May
and
I
saw
prostitution.
D
G
G
Then,
as
far
as
the
the
Jackson
house,
as
I
said,
we'll
we'll
come
back
with
with
an
update
I'm,
not
totally
up
to
speed
on
some
of
the
issues,
but
I
I
do
think
that
perhaps
at
our
next
meeting
we
can
have
Rob
and
I
with
the
city's
art
program,
come
in
and
talk
about
Soul
walk,
which
is
a
celebration
of
the
African-American
Heritage
in
the
city,
that's
being
developed
both
as
a
visual
and
an
interactive
experience.
G
That
may
be
something
that
would
interest
the
commission
I
had
planned
on
that
as
well,
and
we
can
you
know,
certainly
as
a
group
we
can
continue
to
identify
and
to
allocate
staff
time
to
recognizing
all
different
parts
of
the
city's
history,
and
you
know
we
we,
as
a
staff,
work
with
Community
to
try
to
identify
which
resources
are
important
to
the
community
and
then
to
provide
protective
ordinances
on
those
particular
properties.
However,
our
you
know,
our
focus
with
this
commission
is
is
fairly
narrow.
You
know
some
of
these
conversations
take
a
broader
reach.
D
D
I
can't
wait
to
hear
that,
but
in
the
meantime
we
could
do
something
and
if
I
need
to
make
a
list
of
all
of
the
areas
of
neglect
in
the
African-American
communities,
I
can
do
that
before
the
end
of
this
meeting
and
I
can
meet
with
you
privately
to
give
you
that,
but
again,
as
I
I
don't
want
to
keep
hearing
what
we
can
do.
I
want
to
hear
what
what's
being
done
in
steps
and
and
time
again,
every
day
that
we
don't
preserve
a
piece
of
History
I
have
to
do
it
by
storytelling.
D
H
Excuse
me
Kamari
pedest
Michael
from
the
city
attorney's
office.
Commissioner
shucraft,
can
you
make
your
request
in
the
form
of
emotion?
Thank
you.
F
B
G
That's
correct:
there's
a
non-profit
organization,
the
Jackson
house
foundation,
that
is
the
owner
and
that
essentially
coordinates
with
a
various
other
groups
that
are
interested
in
the
preservation
working
on
a
plan
for
preservation
of
the
Jackson
house.
But
the
city
is
one
of
one
of
the
supporting
parties.
F
G
The
work
plan
has
been
something
that
we've
been
talking
about
quite
a
bit
in
the
legal
department,
because
it's
so
it's
a
little
bit
unclear
about
exactly
when
that
gets
established.
We
we've
been
building
it
periodically.
We
have
an
item
on
the
agenda
today
that
we
we're
going
to
a
request
be
added
to
it,
but
typically
those
are
looked
at
in
October,
October,
collectively.
D
I
mean
I
want
to
make
sure
my
point
is
missing.
Please
legal!
If,
if
I
need
to
make
a
motion,
if
you
can
walk
me
through
that
as
far
as
East
Tampa
and
the
cemetery
on
MLK
and
22nd
I
also
spoke
about
that
being
historically
preserved
with
that
building
being
I'm.
Sorry
with
that
lot
being
sold
and
the
City
of
Tampa
making
I
guess
concessions
to
work
with
the
the
owner.
What
is
it
that
historic
preservation
can
do
to
make
sure
that
piece
of
history
is
preserved
before
a
developer?
G
Well,
within
the
within
the
authority
of
this
commission,
you
know:
local
designation
is
the
main
tool
for
preservation
that
is
applied
to
properties
that
are
eligible.
So
you
know
we
would
once
again
that
could
be
an
item
that
could
be
added
to
the
work
plan,
if
you
so
deem
that
appropriate
and
the
city,
the
city's
staff
US.
Your
staff
would
begin
to
collect
the
information
for
you
to
consider
that
you
know
I'm
not
as
familiar
with
the
current
owner
of
of
the
cemetery.
G
But
you
know
there
are
criteria
within
the
code
that
you
know
do,
engage
the
owner
and
does
consider
the
owner's
desire
for
the
designation
as
part
of
the
criteria.
D
E
H
H
This
matter
is
pending
before
this,
the
CRA.
This
has
been
discussed
a
lot
with
the
CRA
and
again,
as
Dennis
explained,
the
city
does
not
own
this
property.
There
are
certain
code
Provisions
that
apply
to
Historic
preservation
for
property,
so
we
can
certainly
discuss
that
separately
and
report
back
to
the
commission.
Thank.
A
B
While
we
look
at
preservation
properties
throughout
the
city,
it
is
clearly
evident
that
many
of
the
owners
of
those
properties
do
not
have
the
same
heartfelt
desire
as
we
do
to
protect
these
properties.
I
think
there
is
an
educational
process
that
needs
to
be
had
with
a
number
of
these
owners.
This
last
go
around
that
we
went
through
with
the
downtown
building
is
another
evidence
of
the
fact
that
that
developers
are
not
in
it
for
preservation,
they
are
in
it
for
location
and
their
advantage,
and
until
we
can
move
many
of
these
owners
to.
B
Become
of
like-mind,
where
preservation
is
concerned
and
and
help
them
to
understand
that
preservation
does
not
mean
losing
money.
Preservation
is
a
truly
economic
driver
in
most
communities,
and
and
yet
they
seem
to
be
very
unaware
of
that
fact.
Despite
the
Myriad
of
studies
that
have
been
done
over
time
and
and
it's
a
matter,
I
mean
we've
seen
it
with
the
cigar
Factory
owners,
we
see
it
with
many
single-family
residential
owners.
B
The
downtown
partnership
recently
engaged
a
private
consulting
firm
to
do
an
evaluation
of
the
Franklin
Street
Properties
in
order
to
identify
historic
properties
there
and
to
begin
to
work
with
the
owners
there,
and
it
is
the
hope
they
received
a
grant
to
do
this
from
the
Hillsborough
County
preservation
challenge
grant
program,
and
it
is
their
hope
to
reapply
so
that
they
could
broaden
that
reach
throughout.
B
At
least
their
focus
now
is
throughout
the
central
business
district
area,
but
those
CH,
the
challenge
grant
program
is
available
to
any
person,
except
for
a
single-family
residential,
and
the
Jackson
house,
for
example,
would
be
clearly
eligible
for
a
challenge
grant
program.
B
My
firm
10
years
ago
tried
to
work
with
the
the
owners
of
that,
but
most
of
the
grant
opportunities
within
Florida
and
the
city
need
to
have
matching
and
they
were
unable
to
come,
come
up
with
with
the
matching
and
the
matching
can
be
doesn't
have
to
be
money
all
the
time
it
it
can
be
in-kind
Services.
It
can
be
donated
items
and
donated
time.
B
End
of
that
comment,
but
we've
got
some
good
news
coming
along
in
the
rest
of
the
agenda,
at
least
in
terms
of
getting
updates
on
several
areas
within
the
city
that
that
we
can
work
toward
encouraging
preservation
as
much
as
possible
and
Dennis.
Please
fill
us
in.
G
Sure,
moving
on
to
item
number,
eight
I
wanted
to
provide
you
an
update
with
your
efforts
to
expand
the
Hyde
Park
local
historic
district.
I
know
we
had
sent
out
an
email
I
believe
a
few
weeks
ago,
but
I
wanted
to
to
make
this
more
formal,
see
we
have
the
PowerPoint.
B
G
E
B
G
Has
so,
as
you
recall,
much
of
the
last
two
years
or
so,
we've
been
engaged
in
efforts
to
expand
the
Hyde
Park
historic
district
to
Encompass
a
broader
area,
to
provide
protection
to
areas
that
we
had
identified
as
being
threatened
or
experiencing
high
levels
of
demolition.
G
So,
just
to
refresh
your
memories,
the
original
boundaries
of
the
local
historic
district,
which
are
indicated
in
red,
were
established
by
ordinance
in
1988,
created
the
local
historic
district
for
Hyde
Park.
Much
of
that
is
is
still
in
place,
was
still
in
place
until
January
5th.
In
its
original
configuration,
the
Blue
Line
did
indicate
the
national
register
of
historic
district
National
register
of
historic
places,
District,
which
was
established
three
years
earlier
in
1985.
G
In
its
original
classification,
the
district
had
contained
834
contributing
buildings
and
433
non-contributing
buildings.
G
So
those
those
two
areas
saw
the
value
of
the
existing
historic
district
and
the
effectiveness
of
it
in
maintaining
the
historic
character
of
the
neighborhood
and
ensuring
that
infill
construction
was
of
a
of
a
character
that
fit
into
the
neighborhood
very,
very
well
as
been
proven
over
the
years
in
the
existing
District,
they
came
worked
with
staff.
G
Initially,
this
was
an
area
that
had
been
historically
inventoried
a
couple
of
times,
so
there
was
a
strong,
strong
amount
of
inventory
information
that
we
could
rely
upon,
and
it
was
a
more
of
a
an
effort
to
update
that
information.
Also,
there's
an
existing
set
of
design
guidelines
which
are
necessary
in
a
historic,
a
local,
historic
district
and
those
were
able
to
be
it
just
expanded
into
the
expansion
area
and
not
recreated.
G
So,
in
accordance
with
the
the
section
of
the
code
that
deals
with
local
historic
designation-
that's
27
256.,
the
staff
was
acting
through
a
number
of
the
required
steps
for
Council
to
consider
local,
designation
and-
and
although
there's
there's
just
five
checkpoints
on
this-
that
that's
a
takes
quite
a
while
to
go
through
beginning
from
one
of
these.
Two
neighborhood
associations
made
application.
G
G
That
engagement
does
entail
quite
a
bit
of
Staff
work,
going
out
meeting
with
property
owners,
conducting
research,
creating
Maps,
creating
legal
descriptions
and
creating
the
report
that
is
considered
throughout
the
process.
It
came
back
to
the
HPC
actually
twice
for
a
recommendation.
That
recommendation
was
officially
submitted
for
your
August
30th
meeting,
and
then
it
did
go
to
the
Planning
Commission
for
a
staff
review.
It
was
found
to
be
consistent
with
the
goals
of
the
comprehensive
plan,
and
then
it
was
scheduled
for
two
public
hearings.
G
Those
public
hearings
at
city
council
were
scheduled
to
December,
8th
and
then
a
second
reading
of
the
ordinance
on
January
5th,
and
so
all
these
hearings,
every
public
meeting
was
very
well
attended.
G
I
do
appreciate
you
know
everyone
within
the
expansion
area
and
within
the
neighborhood
associations
that
took
time
to
come
and
participate
in
the
process.
You
know,
as
I
said,
it
really
takes
a
community
effort
to
make
these
initiatives
successful,
and
this
these
neighborhoods
were
were
really
engaged
throughout.
G
So
the
study
area
was
generally
the
the
north
part
of
of
the
district
that
was
outside
of
the
Local
District,
but
within
the
national
district
there
was
some
fairly
early
observations
that
the
area
north
of
the
crosstown
had
been.
You
know
significantly
compromised
and
most
likely
would
you
know
not
qualify
as
a
local
District
today,
but
the
area
south
of
the
crosstown
became
an
early
Focus
for
the
staff
in
considering
boundary
options.
G
Historically,
this
area,
if
you
recall,
also
predated
the
the
presence
of
the
Selman
Crosstown
expressway.
So
it
was,
you
know
more
from
a
planning
perspective,
a
more
unified
area
between
the
North
and
South
ends
and
and
both
the
East
and
West
as
you
as
you
move
further
to
the
South,
the
local
districts
and
National
districts,
superimposed
here
over
the
Sanborn
map
from
1929,
along
with
the
green
box
indicating
the
dolbyville
area.
These
were
all
areas
that
were
studied
and
contemplated
in
the
development
of
a
of
a
boundary
line.
G
Integral
to
you
know
that
discussion
always
is
sort
of
the
feasibility
of
being
able
to
actually
be
successful
and
establishing
the
Local
District
in
these
areas
and
the
you
know,
the
desires
of
the
community
and
the
residents
that
that
live
there,
the
dobieville
area,
a
very
prominent
part
of
this
expansion
area,
still
contains
the
Richard
Doby
house,
and
much
of
that
history
is
memorialized
in
a
in
a
marker.
That's
there
off
of
Willow,
and
there
was
a
great
deal
of
support.
G
G
So
we
we
had
discussed
throughout
the
development
of
this
initiatives,
the
various
areas
or
segments
of
the
expansion
area.
Originally
the
neighborhood
association
requested
expansion
all
the
way
to
the
crosstown.
There
was
a
later
amendment
by
the
applicants
to
consider
Platt
Street
as
a
northern
boundary
when
it
came
to
the
historic
preservation
Commission
in
August.
The
commission
recommended
that
it
did
that
the
northern
boundary
be
situated
just
south
of
the
crosstown
and
that's
the
recommendation
that
we
did
move
forward
to
city
council.
G
So
the
data
just
to
refresh
your
memory.
We
had
about
a
66
percent
contributing
inventory
in
the
pre-expansion
District,
which
is
relatively
high
percentage
for
a
local
star.
District
of
of
this
nature,
totaling
nearly
1300
buildings.
Through
the
expansion
we
were
able
to
add
84
contributing
and
100
non-contributing
buildings
into
the
inventory
that
in
itself,
if
it
were
a
separate
District,
would
still
meet
the
criteria
but
would
be
on
the
lower
end
of
threshold.
G
But
combined
with
the
existing
inventory,
still
leaves
you
to
63
percent
contributing
status
with
now
1451
total
buildings.
So
we
did
I
think
establish
representation
of
some
architectural
styles
that
really
weren't
represented
in
the
original
inventory,
as
well
as
expanding
the
story
of
Hyde
Park
and
the
different
layers
of
the
story.
That
really
wasn't
as
I
think
adequately
represented
prior
to
the
expansion.
G
So
in
the
staff's
recommendation,
we
had
been
very
consistent
with
what
the
original
recommendation
in
1988
was
as
far
as
eligibility
within
the
code.
G
G
So,
following
your
recommendation
on
August
30th
and
the
planning
commission's
determination
of
consistency
that
followed
city
council
unanimously
adopted
ordinance,
2023-16.
G
On
January
5th,
thereby
expanding
the
boundaries
of
the
Hyde
Park
local
Stark
District,
and
that
concludes
my
update.
And
if
you
have
any
questions,
I'm
happy
to
answer
those.
F
F
Okay,
there
it
is
57
percent
Which
is
higher
than
any
of
the
other
districts,
and
yet
the
city
council
decided
to
eliminate
that
right
as
part
of
the
movement
of
the
boundaries.
So
this
is
going
to
dovetail
to
your
comments,
which
is
that
there
is
a
process
of
Education
of
the
of
the
property
owners,
but
I
think
more
significantly.
There
needs
to
be
a
process
of
Education
of
the
city
council.
F
Members
I
from
my
professional
career
was
a
historic
preservation
in
Arlington,
County
Virginia
and
also
was
on
the
Arc
board
for
the
city
of
Alexandria
Virginia
for
many
years,
and
so
in
both
of
those
communities,
the
Commissioners
and
the
city
council
members
were
very,
very
strong
in
support
of
historic
preservation.
So
it's
a
somewhat
of
an
Open
Secret
that
if
you
can
get
through
the
historic
board,
if
you
get
a
denial,
you
can
take
it
up
to
city
council,
and
then
it
becomes
a
political
matter
which
it
should
be.
F
That
is
in
fact,
the
way
the
process
works.
The
due
process
works,
but
I
feel
very
strongly
that
part
of
the
reason
why
so
many
things
either
don't
move
forward
or
are
compromised
is
because
the
city
council,
some
of
the
members,
perhaps
not
all,
are
not
strong,
preservationists
and
I
think
that's
something
that
we
need
to
take
into
account
in
terms
of
when
you
talk
about
educating,
because
this
isn't.
This
is
a
stunning
example.
F
B
G
F
G
Just
to
clarify
I
was
obviously
present
at
both
both
the
hearings
and
and
listened
to
the
discussion.
There
was
quite
a
bit
of
discussion
on
this
area,
north
of
Platte
and
south
of
the
crosstown
But.
Ultimately,
I
think
what
city
council
was
reacting
to
was
the
request
of
the
applicants,
because
the
applicants
did
at
the
initial
part
of
the
hearing,
request
that
the
boundary
be
modified,
that
their
application
be
modified
to
the
center
line
of
Platte,
and
so
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
on
that.
G
B
G
Following
you
know,
following
all
this
work
that
that
you
know
the
effort
continues
internally
with
the
city,
you
know
we,
we
had
a
lot
of
sort
of
post-celebration
work
to
do
in
in
making
sure
that
the
properties
within
the
area
are
then
added
into
all
the
systems
that
we
have
to
ensure
that,
when
building
permits
are
requested,
that
they're
diverted
to
the
architecture
review
staff
so
that
they
can
be
processed
through
the
architecture,
review,
commission,
there's,
documentation,
site
files
and
and
mapping
that
has
to
occur
a
lot
of
Outreach.
G
We
sent
a
letter
out
to
the
entire
neighborhood,
letting
them
know
that
the
district
had
been
established
and
providing
them
contact
information.
We
reflected
that
on
our
website
as
well,
and
that
effort
continues
there's
still
a
lot
of
Education,
as
is
this
area
sort
of
transitions
in
to
the
larger
districts.
So
I
appreciate
both
my
staff's
effort
has
been,
you
know,
quite
a
challenge,
but
also
our
our
other
sister
agencies
that
assist
us
in.
In
making
these
things
happen,
it's
a
Bradford.
G
I
Okay
good
morning,
Commissioners
I'm,
Elaine,
Lund,
historic
preservation,
staff
and
just
bear
with
me
a
moment
while
I
get
this
presentation
set
up.
It
has
been
a
few
years
since
we've
talked
about
Fort
Tampa.
We
brought
it
I
believe
sorry,
there
we
go
brought
it
before
the
Commission
in
2020
last
right
before
the
the
pandemic
began
and
I'm
very
excited
to
be
back
here
today
to
talk
about
it
with
you
once
more
and
to
sort
of
get
some
hopefully
interest
in
this
area.
I
I
I
I
I
This
is
showing
you,
the
some
of
the
annexations
I,
believe
that's.
I
Let's
see,
we've
got
the
sort
of
I'm
trying
to
just
determine
what
the
colors
look
like
on
your
screens
there,
the
the
the
overlaid
colors
they're,
the
large
sort
of
pinkish
purplish
area,
shows
the
area
that
was
annexed
into
the
city
in
the
1950s
and
then
in
1961.
The
greenish
area
that
included
the
city
of
Port,
Tampa
and
mcdill
Air
Force
Base
was
annexed
into
the
City
of
Tampa,
and
that
just
shows
the
area
a
little
more
closely.
I
So,
and
about
10
years
prior
to
this
plot,
plant
had
begun
to
bring
as
a
railroad
to
Tampa
and
regular
service
began
between
Tampa
and
Plant
City
in
1883
and
by
1884.
The
railroad
was
connected
to
Kissimmee,
which
thereby
connected
plants
service
to
Tampa
and
the
rest
of
his
extensive
Railway
system.
I
believe
is
far
north,
as
Savannah
in
1887
plant
managed
to
build
his
railroad
bridge
over
the
Hillsborough
River
and
extend
it
all
the
way
down
to
Black
Point,
where
there
was
a
natural
Channel,
a
less
than
a
mile
offshore.
I
I
I
So,
with
the
the
new
port
in
the
area,
some
members
of
plants,
investment,
team,
CW,
Prescott
and
Captain
James
Fitzgerald
acquired
most
of
the
land
east
of
the
rail
line
to
over
to
Wall
Street,
which
is
on
the
East
End
of
the
Platte.
Here
from
the
and
filed
the
plot
of
Port
Tampa
City
with
Hillsborough
County
Clerk
in
1892.
I
and
here's
the
1904
Coast
chart
of
Tampa
Bay,
you
can
see
where
Tampa
West,
Tampa
Fort
Brook
Hyde,
Park,
Ybor
City.
You
can
see
how
they
were
all
sort
of
nestled,
close
together
along
the
Hillsborough
River
and
then
there's
Port
Tampa
City
eight
miles
away
down
the
peninsula.
I
I
These
photos
show
the
the
plant
system.
I
You
can
see
the
some
of
the
brochures
and
the
advertisements
that
went
along
with
a
plant's
system
of
Railway
and
steamship
lines.
He
provided
sleeping
cars
so
that
passengers
could
get
to
their
destinations
comfortably.
I
I
I
So
the
Plant
City,
sorry,
the
port
Tampa
City
Charter,
was
granted
in
1893.
and
plant
city
grew
in
the
status
of
Municipal
services.
But
in
the
meantime,
Cuba
continued
its
fight
against
Spain
for
Independence,
which
it
had
been
doing
since
the
mid
19th
century.
I
Tensions
mounted
in
the
U.S
following
the
sinking
of
the
USS
Maine
and
the
Havana
Harbor
and
Henry
plant
wrote
to
the
Secretary
of
War
Russell
Alger,
calling
attention
to
the
substantial
improvements
he'd
made
in
the
in
Port
Tampa
and
suggested
that
they
make
Port
Tampa
the
important
departure
for
the
supplies
and
troops
going
to
Cuba
in
the
event
of
War.
I
I
I
I
Sorry,
the
Spanish-American
war
was
fairly
brief
and
after
it
was
over
by
1899
Port
Tampa
City
did
continue
to
thrive
when
Henry
plant
died
in
1908,
sorry
1899
as
well.
His
rail
system
was
sold
to
the
Atlantic
Coastline
Railroad
development
in
Port.
Tampa
City
was
somewhat
hindered
following
the
Spanish-American
War,
but
the
ACL
did
continue
to
lease
space
to
major
oil
companies,
as
well
as
the
phosphate
companies
and
those
have
continued
to
be
the
primary
Commodities
shipped
in
and
out
of
Tampa.
I
Some
of
the
development
that
continued
in
Port
Tampa
City
included
its
commercial
district.
There
was
a
large
fire
in
1908
that
destroyed
much
of
the
commercial
area,
but
it
did
spare
the
brick
corner
and
the
Fitzgerald
building,
which
are
two
of
them,
well-known
historic
structures
in
Tampa.
Today,
however,
neither
of
those
do
have-
or
neither
of
us
have
any
sort
of
historic
designation.
I
The
tophaletti
brothers
were
well
known
as
a
dry
goods
purveyor
and
the
destination.
Pier
and
Beach
were
popular
as
well.
I
I
I
A
lot
of
the
shipping
industry
was
became
larger
around
the
eboard
Channel,
and
it
was
also
used
as
an
area
where
you
know
several
battleships
were
constructed,
so
the
eboard
Channel
continued
to
grow
and
eventually
the
main
port
for
Tampa
became.
What
we
know
of
today
is
the
Tampa
Port
and
Port
Tampa
just
remained
as
a
shipping
area,
but
was
primarily
limited
to
again
the
phosphate
and
oil
Industries
in
1939
MacDill,
Air,
Force
Base
opened,
and
the
port
Tampa
City
and
its
economy
again
experienced
a
little
period
of
growth,
foreign.
I
I
And
about
mid-century,
the
plant
railroad
terminals
were
demolished
which
allowed
larger
ships
to
approach,
but
you
know
now
we
no
longer
have
that
resource
and
then
in
1961
again
the
Port
Tampa
was
annexed
into
the
City
of
Tampa
and
the
port
Tampa
City
Charter
was
abolished.
I
I
I
There
are
reasons
to
designate
buildings
in
Port,
Tampa
City
and
the
and
criteria
under
Criterion
B
under
ethnic
Heritage,
for
their
association
with
the
lives
of
persons
significant
in
Port
Tampa
cities,
past
and
also
under
Criterion
C
in
architecture
and
engineering.
I
Some
of
the
buildings
that
are
historically
recognized
in
Port
Tampa
include
the
Old
Saint
Mark
Community
Aid
Center,
which
was
designated
as
a
local
Historic
Landmark
by
the
city
of
Tampa
in
2018.
It's
representative
of
the
early
church
architecture
in
Port
Tampa,
and
it's
associated
with
the
African-American
history
of
port
Tampa.
I
This
building
was
constructed
in
1892
by
the
first
Advent
Christian
Church,
and
it
was
relocated
in
the
early
1900s
after
being
donated
by
the
Adventist
to
the
black
community
of
Port
Tampa.
It
was
also,
and
it
was
moved
from
either
Mascot
Street
or
O'brien
Street,
and
it's
a
little
unclear
by
a
team
of
mules
to
its
location
on
Cheryl
Street.
Now
where
it's
was
in
use
by
the
congregation
of
Saint
Mark
Missionary
Baptist.
It's
now
sort
of
an
Annex
to
the
church
as
their
new
sanctuaries
across
the
street.
I
The
Commercial
Bank
building
was
designated
as
a
local
Historic
Landmark
by
the
city
of
Tampa.
In
1994.
I
I
I
I
Over
the
the
years,
of
course,
there
have
been
demolitions
and
losses
of
these
144
structures.
I
I
I
So
if
we
consider
one
of
the
potential
ways
to
recognize
historic
properties
is
through
a
multiple
property
designation.
The
city
currently
has
five
multiple
property
designations,
including
Beach
Park,
which
is
a
neighborhood
that
has
certain
that
was
built
with
certain
styles
of
buildings,
Spanish
style
or
Mediterranean
Revival
style
buildings.
We
have
10
structures
in
that
neighborhood
that
are
included
in
the
multiple
property
listing
the
historic
bridges
on
the
Hillsborough.
I
River
is
another
thematic
group
that
includes
the
six
Bridges
along
the
Hillsborough
River
that
were
built
from
1913
through
the
1950s
and
the
historic
Central
Avenue
area
and
African-American
Heritage
sites
currently
includes
five
structures,
and
that
recognizes
the
area
primarily
buildings
in
the
area
along
Central
Avenue,
which
was
historically
a
significant
commercial
area
for
the
African-American
community.
I
North
Franklin
Street
in
downtown
has
several
buildings
that
are
included
and
it's
multiple
property
designation
about
12
sort
of
the
the
primary
commercial
downtown
Corridor
in
Tampa,
and
then
the
West
Tampa
within
the
West
Tampa
historic
district,
which
is
only
a
nationally
listed
historic
district.
There
are
five
individual
structures
that
we
have
recognized
under
a
multiple
property
designation.
I
A
multiple
property
designation
recognizes
buildings
that
are
individually
significant
enough
to
be
listed
as
landmarks,
but
they
do
have
a
common
theme.
So
it's
sort
of
a
sort
of
a
thematic
approach
to
doing
a
district
when
there's
not
a
significant
enough
concentration
for
there
to
be
an
actual
geographically
definable
area
for
a
district.
I
So
what
we're
looking
for
today
is
some
direction
from
the
board
if
you
concur
with
staff
that
this
is
a
area,
that's
worth
our
our
energy
and
would
like
to
direct
us
to
continue
to
work
with
Port
Tampa
and
the
former
Port
Tampa
City
area.
We
would
coordinate
with
the
port
Tampa
civic
association
and
do
some
Outreach
to
property
owners
and
then
bring
back
our
findings
to
you
at
a
future
date.
A
G
So,
to
provide
you
a
little
bit
of
context,
these
very
similar
to
how
Hyde
Park
you
know
manifested
itself.
This
is
similar
to
that
in
in
the
original
you
know,
elements
of
it
we've
been
getting
some
calls
from
the
area
over
the
last
year
or
so
expressing
concern
about
some
of
the
Redevelopment
in
the
area
and
how
that
may
threaten
historic
buildings.
G
We've
been
the
staff
myself
and
Elaine
have
been
out
to
the
area
over
the
years
and
really
didn't
identify.
You
know
a
overall
will
to
try
to
to
get
a
district
done.
You
know,
I
think
there's
been
some
surveying
done
in
the
area
which
is
really
prerequisite
of
being
able
to
even
consider
a
district.
We
don't
feel
that
there's
an
assembly
of
buildings
that
would
support
a
district
but
of
multiple
properties.
G
Designation,
is
something
that
we
usually
approach
more
voluntarily
with
property
owners
initially
to
see
if
we
have
an
interest
in
some
of
these
very
significant
early
houses
electing
into
a
multiple
properties,
designation,
and
then
we
had
one
fairly
prominent
house
on
inner
bay
get
demolished.
A
factor
of
you
know
the
period
of
development
of
these.
This
neighborhood
was
that
you
have
fairly
substantial
houses
that
occupy
multiple
parcels
and
that's
a
very
attractive
element
in
today's
development
approach.
G
So
we've
had
a
couple:
what
I'll
call
near
misses
on
on
some
of
the
buildings?
Unfortunately,
the
one
last
year
we
couldn't
really
taking
these
steps
to
try
to
protect
it
was
we
got
there
a
little
too
late
to
that
one?
So,
at
that
time,
I
did
speak
with
the
neighborhood
association,
and
we
talked
about
you
know
what
options
were
out
there
at
the
time
we
were
heavily
engaged
in
Hyde
Park.
Our
resources
were
not
as
bolstered
now
that
we
have
another
staff
person
as
well.
G
So
we
think
it's
an
opportune
time
to
try
to
reach
out
to
that
area.
It's
that
the
time
is
now
it's
redeveloping
I
think
you
can
see
how
dramatic
that
aerial
is.
It's
there's
a
lot
of
substantial
Redevelopment
and
once
the
vacant
Parcels
or
the
you
know,
tremendously.
Underutilized
Parcels
are
not
a
readily
available
financially
than
usually
the
the
larger
historic
structures
are
sort
of
targeted
for
redevelopment.
F
Okay,
I
have
a
just
a
quick
question:
I
understand
the
difficulty
of
having
a
cohesive
District.
You
know,
given
the
scarcity
of
the
available
buildings,
for
the
reasons
you
just
discussed.
Has
there
been
any
consideration
of
doing
a
cultural
landscape
survey
of
the
area
because
physically,
for
example,
we
still
have
the
train
tracks
and
there's
large
industrial
components
to
this
area
that
could
be
not
necessarily
protected,
but
certainly
highlighted
in
some
way.
You
know
when
the
building
resources
are
gone
or
scarce.
F
That's
another
way
of
interpreting
the
history
or
daylighting
the
history
of
the
area
and
there's
certainly
been
many.
Many
significant
cultural
landscape
surveys
done
all
over
the
country
in
areas
like
this,
where
you
know
the
original
structures
are
mostly
gone,
but
you
can
still
tell
a
very
cohesive
Story
I
mean
from
the
perspective
of
the
city
of
Tampa.
F
This
is
an
area
very
rich
in
cultural
history
and,
and
that
is
it
could
be
a
way
to
highlight
it
if,
if
at
all
possible,.
G
I
think
that's
certainly,
you
know
a
an
option
that
we
have
as
we
get
into
this.
It's
sort
of
you
know
I
think
wide
open.
As
far
as
how
we
approach
it.
We
just
had
a
conversation
yesterday
about
just
the
importance
of
you
know
the
docs
and
other.
You
know,
there's
not
any
of
the
original
structures
remaining,
that
you
know
there's
most
likely
some
obviously
cultural,
but
also
archaeological
value
that
that
would
exist
there.
G
So
it's
a
little
I
think
different
than
some
of
our
more
suburban
and
urban
types
of
districts
that
we
we
deal
in
currently,
but
it
would
take
I
think
a
different
approach
and
I
think
something
educationally
would
be
very
valuable.
We
could
certainly
partner
with
some
of
our
Community
Partners,
on
sort
of
highlighting
the
importance
of
that
particular
area
to
the
development
of
Tampa
as
a
whole.
F
Yeah
I
mean
it's
got
the
oil,
the
phosphate.
It's
got
the
connection
to
Cuba.
Certainly
the
agriculture,
the
maritime
I
mean
there's
a
lot
a
lot
of
different
layers
here
that
you
don't
necessarily
find
in
other
places
in
Tampa,
which.
D
F
I
find
it
so
interesting
as
a
as
a
resource
for
the
city.
B
Dennis,
when
areas
are
aggregated
to
be
multiple
properties
listings,
what
protection,
if
that's
possibly
the
correct
word,
is
given
to
development
of
a
j.
Excuse
me
of
adjacent
properties,
I
mean
if
someone's
got
a
a
designated
landmark.
B
G
I
think
that's
a
somewhat
situational
depends
on
sort
of
the
intensity
of
the
development
that
would
be
adjacent
and
how
that
may
adversely
impact
the
historic
resource.
But
is
it's
a
much
lesser
level
of
Regulation
than
what
would
exist
in
a
historic
district
for
properties
that
you
know
or
or
not,
identified
historically
in
a
historic
district,
contributing
properties,
obviously
or
your
historic
properties?
G
But
non-contributing
properties
also
have
to
meet
design
standards,
because
the
area
of
as
a
whole
can
experience
adverse
effect,
whereas
on
a
multiple
property
designation,
which
is
a
grouping
of
landmark
structures
as
just
that
particular
Landmark.
That
would
maybe
experience
a
adverse
effect.
So
you
know,
if
there's
a
rezoning
or
something
like
that,
that's
going
to
really
trigger
you
know
a
significant
change
or
potentially
structural
issues,
and
we
we
do
get
involved
with
those.
But
generally
adjacent
properties
aren't
regulated
in
a
multiple
property
listing.
B
A
B
C
These
yeah,
and
maybe
just
a
comment
here,
but
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
is
difficult
for
the
City
of
Tampa-
is
we're
such
a
large
city
with
so
many
unique
areas
and
one
historic
preservation
division.
So
we
end
up
finding
ourselves
kind
of
picking
and
choosing
which
areas
to
focus
on
and
I
think
that
that
has
a
lot
to
do
with
the
interest
of
the
residents
in
that
area
and
from
historic
preservation
point
of
view
that
can
make
things
a
little
bit
difficult.
So
just
an
observation.
G
So
I
think,
if,
if
there's
a
consensus,
that
the
staff
should
allocate
time,
we'd
want
to
just
have
a
motion
to
add
this
to
our
work
program
so
that
the
staff
can
plan
that
accordingly,
in
the
current
and
upcoming
year,.
E
Oh
I
have
one
more
question:
I
have
a
question
Dennis.
What's
the
association
where
we're,
in
conjunction
with
you,
set
a
name
for
city
of
Port,
yeah.
G
C
G
No
I,
don't
believe
that's
correct,
I
mean
there's
several
things
that
are
running
simultaneously
on
the
work
plan.
We
have.
You
know
every
one
of
those
multiple
property
designations
that
we
reviewed.
Those
are
on
the
work
plan
we've
got
in
may.
We
already
have
four
properties
that
are
coming
forward
for
designation,
so
we're
kind
of
working
these
things
at
different
development
areas
and
that
this
particular
area
in
Port
Tampa
has
a
lot
of
existing
research
and
surveys
on
it.
So
it's
it's
somewhat.
G
You
know
further
along,
whereas
there
might
be
an
area
that
there
hasn't
been
that
initial
inventory
and
and
research
that
is
sort
of
a
different
type
of
Staff
work.
Okay,.
E
So
I
make
a
motion
to
add
number.
Is
it
nine
yeah
nine
on
the
agenda?
The
city
are
Port
Tampa
City
to
the
work
plan.
Is
that
complete
motion.
H
E
So
say
that
so
I
make
a
motion
for
the
staff
to
add
the
multiple
potential:
oh
yeah,
multiple
potential,
multiple
property
listing
for
Port
Tampa
to
the
work
plan.
Yes,.
A
G
G
It's
a
very
large
area,
essentially
composed
of
Interstate
275
as
a
boundary
on
the
West
Interstate
4,
as
it
wraps
around
towards
the
East
56th
Street
kind
of
being
the
the
further
Eastern
element
of
it
and
then
jogging
back
up
to
Lilac,
and
then
the
area
north
of
Hillsborough
Avenue,
you
see,
is
it
kind
of
jogs
along
that
particular
area,
just
north
of
this
just
for
references,
the
National
register
District
of
Hampton
Terrace
in
this
area
and
then,
as
we
go
to
the
the
North
East,
it
kind
of
transcends
into
Seminole
Heights
in
Seminole,
Heights
area.
G
So
in
in
the
time
since
we've
met,
we
have
ident
tried
to
identify
what
existing
historic
inventories,
cultural
resources
inventories
may
have
been
done
in
the
area.
What
we've
identified
is
is
pretty
minimal.
There's
a
a
small
segment
just
in
this
South
western
part
of
of
East
Tampa.
That
is
considered
to
be
part
of
the
landmark
district
for
Ybor
City.
So
that's
going
to
go
up
to
essentially
21st
Avenue,
which
is
right
about
here
and
then
extend
back
down
to
around
15th
Street.
G
That
was
inventoried
as
part
of
the
original
national
landmark
district,
and
then
there
was
a
later
sort
of
update
when
the
Ybor,
City,
national
or
local
historic
district
was
expanded
in
2013..
G
So
that's
you
know,
I
would
say
just
just
about
maybe
10
percent
of
the
overall
area
there's
some
inventory
that
occurred
along
Hillsborough
Avenue
both
for
the
Hampton
Terrace
National
registered
district
and
for
some
activity
occurring
along
275
with
the
interstate
expansion
with
the
cultural
resources.
Surveys
were
done
in
that
area
other
than
that.
G
There
has
not
been
a
lot
of
inventorying
being
done
in
there,
which
kind
of
leads
us
to
you
know
a
situation
where
we,
we
really
don't
know
the
exact
composition
of
the
historic,
historically
eligible
properties
in
the
area.
G
You
know
this
is
not
a
unusual
situation.
We
sometimes
run
into
this.
Typically.
The
approach
is,
then,
to
engage
the
community
and
have
the
community
assist
us
in
identifying
which
resources
they
feel
are
appropriate
for
preservation,
formalized
preservation
or
for
nomination
to
the
National
register
of
start
places
or
perhaps
commemoration
through
some
sort
of
historic
marker.
G
So
with
that
in
mind,
I
did
reach
out
to
Cedric
McRae,
who
is
the
manager
for
the
community
redevelopment
area
in
East
Tampa,
and
we
we
had
a
discussion
about
both
what
the
conversation
was
at
the
historic
preservation
commission
and
some
of
the
conversations
that
are
occurring
within
his
CRA
group
and
members
of
the
public
as
well,
who
compose
those
groups
and
he
he
thought
it
would
be.
G
So,
coming
back
on
that
meetings
on
May
9th
are
meeting
our
next
meetings
on
May
16th.
That's
a
pretty
quick
turnaround,
but
I
would
just
recommend
that
I
provide
an
update
to
you
at
that
time
that
you
know
what
of
what
the
me
what
happened
at
the
meeting
and
of
next
steps,
but
that
is
the
information
I
have
for
you
today.
Of
course
we
had.
We
had
a
conversation
earlier,
so
we
can
follow
up
on
on
that
additional
information
for
any
questions
that
you
may
have
and
I
believe.
K
Good
morning
my
name
is
Noreen:
Copeland,
Miller
and
I
live
in
East
Tampa
I
am
on
the
CAC,
with
the
East
Tampa
partnership.
Part
of
the
CRA
group.
I,
am
one
of
the
council
members
and
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
the
opportunity
to
allow
me
to
come
up
and
speak,
and
certainly
it
was
interesting.
Listening
to
Mr,
Hernan,
Mr
Fernandez
doing
his
presentation
from
time
to
time.
K
I
do
look
at
this
board
meeting
at
times
and
to
say
the
least
this
morning
was
quite
interesting
for
me
and
I
think
you
said
it
best
when
you
said
a
walk
back
through
time
and
it's
amazing
how
much
Tampa
has
changed
since
I
grew
up
here,
because
I
attended,
doverville,
Elementary
School
from
first
grade
to
sixth
grade
and
I.
Remember
and
I
wanted
to
share
this
briefly
with
you
all
walking
down
to
down
around
the
Grand
Central
when
President
Kennedy
was
in
Tampa
and
we
walked.
K
Our
sixth
grade
class
walked
down
Rome
to
Grand
Central,
which
is
now
Kennedy
Boulevard.
To
way
back
the
president
to
say
the
least,
I
was
really
it
was
interesting
when
they
were
talking
about
dobbyville
in
that
Community,
because
I
lived
there,
but
it
certainly
from
listening
to
the
history.
I
have
to
do
much
better
and
I
think
that
as
we
retire
and
do
different
things
a
lot
of
times,
we
step
back
and
things
do
change.
K
What
we
never
had
and
I
think
that
only
happened
like
in
2017
just
getting
signed
that
you
can
get
an
offense
part
of
the
cemetery
and
we
have
pregnancy
ra
perspective
requested
years
ago
to
put
up
a
Roth
iron
fence
on
MLK
side
and
a
fence
on
26
side
and
I.
Think
at
that
time
it
was
another
manager
there
with
the
CRA,
but
they
tabled
it.
Each
time
when
we
tried
to
do
something
with
slum
blight
and
infrastructure,
and
we
were
looking
at
that-
we're
all
fine
fences
being
infrastructure
before
the
cemetery
on
a
diet.
K
We
wanted
to
do
that,
but
we
were
not
allowed
to
do
it.
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
all
for
your
report
about
East
Tampa
and
hoping
that
this
HPC
will
find
a
way
to
make
sure
that
that
cemetery
is
a
historical
site
and
I
stand
today.
Some
folks
could
not
make
it
from
the
cemetery
Society,
but
that
founder
and
some
of
the
members
are
quite
interested
in
doing
whatever
we
can
to
work
to
get
it
where
it
needs
to
be
the
historical
site
that
it
is
so
I
do.
K
B
G
G
This
point
you
know
it's
early
in
the
discussion,
but
I
have
an
understanding
of
you
know
what
the
the
end
goal
is
and
I'll
work
to
try
to
have
that
you
know
appropriately
fit
into
what
our
our
role
is
for
this
particular
commission
I
think
there
there
may
be
some
other
programs
that
kind
of
tie
in
with
this
and
I
think
when
I
go
to
the
when
I
go
to
the
community
on
May,
9th
and
kind
of
initiate
that
I'll
be
able
to
better
identify.
C
You
want
to
go
I
know
you,
oh
yeah,
there's
just
something
I
I'm
thinking
about
here,
Dennis
and
I.
I,
don't
want
to
tell
you
what
you
already
know,
but
I
think
that
maybe,
when
you
meet
with
the
CRA
one
of
the
things
that
should
be
brought
up
is
the
economic
impact
of
historic
designation.
I
mean
I,
think
that
that
sort
gets
missed
a
lot
and
that's
one
of
the
big
roadblocks
to
participation
in
the
historic
designation
program.
G
D
I
actually
thought
you
would
bring
back
a
bit
more
information,
at
least
with
the
history
of
East
Tampa.
Instead
of
just
the
map.
Even
then
I
asked
if
we
could
have
task
force
beforehand
and
in
conversations
about
this
yes
May
9th
is.
It
is
great
to
meet
with
the
A
and
B
committee,
but
is
there
any
other
resources
available
from
historic
preservation
to
get
the
community
involved?
D
The
reason
why
I
say
that
is
because
East
Tampa
this
is
a
working
Community,
where
the
A
and
B
Community
committee
meeting
May
take
place
at
four
o'clock
during
the
daytime
when
most
of
East
Tampa
is
at
work
or
in
transition
of
going
home.
I
personally
do
not
think
that
is
a
a
good
time
and
place
because
they're
going
to
have
that
at
the
district
police
precinct
where
already
in
East
Tampa,
there
is
a
feeling
about
people
coming
to
the
precinct.
D
So
I
would
ask
if
you
can
bring
that
meeting
outside
of
where
they
locally
meet
and
possibly
put
it
either
at
where
the
meeting
where
they
meet
at
Reagan
park
or
use
this
Chambers
for
for
that
meeting,
because
again
in
each
Community,
we
have
different
challenges
and
with
me
living
and
working
in
East
Tampa
having
meetings
during
that
time,
we've
already
had
an
issue
with
it
and
even
with
voting.
The
turnout
is
not
as
promising,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
factors
that
play
into
it.
D
So
from
the
historic
preservation
side,
I
would
ask
if
we
can
bring
some
resources
to
where
we
can
get
a
bit
more
participation,
maybe
even
work
with
the
city
of
Tampa
Communications
to
get
people
to
come
to
those
meetings,
because
if
we've
noticed
in
East
Tampa,
we
have
meetings
on
the
spur
and
a
lot
of
community.
A
lot
of
the
community
is
not
available.
It's
going
on
right
now,
with
the
you
know:
I'm
sorry
Middleton,
High
School.
D
When
we
have
meetings
there
during
the
week,
we
don't
get
a
lot
of
turnout
so
again,
if
we
can
get
some
type
of
liaison
with
the
city
of
Tampa,
maybe
get
some
more
signs
out,
or
maybe
some
billboard
covers,
because
what
we
need
to
do
is
make
sure
all
the
people
who
have
the
stakeholders
are
there
most
of
our
stakeholders.
It's
a
Transit
Community.
D
Our
stakeholders
are
at
work
so
again,
I
I
give
my
resources
or
my
knowledge
to
help
you
with
that,
but
May
9th
I
would
love
to
see
more
people
show
up,
because
again,
this
is
history
that
is
continuously
being
forgotten
by
the
city
of
Tampa
and
I.
Don't
want
this
to
be
another
missed
opportunity.
Thank
you.
B
It
it
may
be
possible
and
I
know
you're,
not
in
charge
of
the
committee,
but
the
public
library
that
is
over
there
is
has
a
beautiful
facility
that
is
open
into
the
evenings
where
meetings
such
as
this
could
take
place.
So
perhaps
you
could
put
a
little
bug
in
somebody's
ear
that
that
the
location
they've
selected
is
probably
not
the
the
best
place
to
have
such
a
a
meeting.
G
I
I
want
to
say
that
you
know
I
think
this
is
an
initial
meeting
and
it
would
help
us
to
identify
perhaps
the
best
way
to
to
kind
of
move
to
the
next
step,
which
would
be
what
I
consider
to
be
a
you
know.
More
structured,
Community
engagement,
I.
Do
think
that
we
need
to
somewhat
you
know,
start
off
gradually
on
this
I
think
May
9th,
you
know.
G
I
can
certainly
talk
time
and
place
with
with
the
CRA
manager
about
it,
but
I'm
apprehensive
to
do
some
sort
of
mass
mail
out
because
I
haven't
identified.
Yet
what
were?
What
were
you
know
really
trying
to
achieve
here
and
so
I
think
I
need
to
have
an
understanding
of
the
goals
of
what
properties
that
may
involve
what
areas,
what
particular
segment
of
the
Heritage
and
what
our
capacity
is
to
be
able
to
to
really
be
successful.
G
At
that
I
mean
you
saw
with
you
know:
Hyde
Park,
you
know
took
a
couple
years
to
to
navigate
that.
I
would
hope
that
this
would
be
less
because
we're
not
you
know
we're
not
necessarily
dealing
with
such
necessary
the
same
composition
of
the
neighborhood,
but
it
will.
It
is
a
large
area.
G
There
will
be
a
lot
of
you
know,
participation,
I'm,
happy
to
you
know,
once
we
have
identified
sort
of
the
approach
that
we
want
to
implement
then
to
kind
of
begin
to
have
formal
meetings,
and
we
can
do
that
through
the
HPC
and
we
have
a
structure
for
that.
But
I
think
initially
you
know
talking
to
Mr
McRae
and
having
him
have
an
understanding
of
exactly
what
our
goals
are
for.
This
particular
meeting
is
an
important
first
step.
D
D
And
and
again,
I
served
on
the
CRA
board
back
in
2020
and
20
2021.
When
we
initially
asked
you
so
again,
are
we
having
we
already
established
what
we
wanted
when
we
asked
for
it
in
2020,
when
I
was
on
the
CRA
board,
so
again,
making
sure
I'm
clear
on
May
9th
they're
coming
back
again
to
access
again
what
we
want,
because
we.
H
D
D
That
was
with
Mr
Fernandez.
We
I
the
community
and
Miss
I
Believe
Miss
Noreen
Copeland
acts
as
well
to
have
this
conversation
two
years
ago
and
again
last
year.
So
again
my
question
to
you
is:
what
are
you
going
to
do
on
May
9th,
when
we've
already
on
requests
asks
for
the
things
that
East
Tampa
needed
and
again
if
in
November
as
the
commission,
we
asked
also
for
you
to
come
in
and
give
us
resources,
but
again
you're
telling
us
that
is
not
available.
D
May
9th,
we
don't
want
to
put
any
more
resources
to
even
getting
the
community
out
again.
I
would
like
the
same
energy
that
has
happened
for
Hyde
Park.
That
is
happening
for
Port
Tampa
to
be
the
same
for
East
Tampa.
So
maybe
I'm
not
asking
the
correct
questions:
November
I'm,
sorry,
May
9th,
can
we
have
some
things
on
the
agenda
to
talk
to
the
community
about
like
here
are
some
important
sites
that
are
in
East
Tampa.
Here
are
some
questions
that
we've
dealt
with
in
other
communities.
D
The
cemetery
this
is
where
we
are
right
now,
don't
add
up.
We
always
have
people
coming
to
East
Tampa,
asking
us
what
we
want
and
we
keep
telling
them
for
years
and
years,
but
nothing
ever
happens
so
for
the
HPC
commission.
Could
you
give
us
an
agenda
for
May
9th
because
again
I?
Don't
don't
want
to
keep
wasting
time?
I
don't
want
my
children
to
come
to
these
same
meetings
and
nothing
happened.
H
For
the
legal
department,
commissioner,
if
you
want
to
have
a
specific
to
modify
your
emotion,
there
was
a
previous
it's
in
the
minutes.
What
was
discussed
for
the
November
29th
22
2022
meeting,
if
you
would
like
to
make
a
specific
motion
other
than
what
was
discussed
at
that
meeting
you're
more
than
welcome
to
do
that,
this
will
be
the
time
to
do
that.
G
F
D
Form
of
emotion,
okay,
thank
you
for
that
point
of
clarity.
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
that
in
preparation
for
the
May,
9th
A
and
B
committee
with
the
CRA
I
would
like
for
the
historic
preservation
commission
to
bring
cultural
resource
in
to
start
the
cultural
resource
inventory
to
direct
money
to
engage
the
community
of
East
Tampa.
G
D
Okay,
so,
let's
start
over
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
that
in
preparation
for
May,
9th
East
Tampa
meeting
with
A
and
B,
that
the
historic
preservation
staff
prepares
information
for
the
East
Tampa,
so
that
an
inventory
of
what
is
already
historic
can
be
shown
to
the
community
did
I
make.
That
is
that
a
clear
motion,
I.
H
H
G
D
G
G
If
conducting
a
cultural
resource
inventory
is
for
an
area
of
this
size
is
something
that
the
commission
wants
to
undertake.
Then
I
can
certainly
look
at
what
grant
opportunities
are
out
there
to
conduct
this.
It
would
be
very
extensive.
It
would
be
quite
quite
costly
to
do
something
like
that.
It
would
be
beyond
what
my
staff
has
the
capability
to
do:
they're
very
extensive
researches
of
the
history
of
an
area,
the
architectural
inventory,
the
years
that
they
were
constructed
and
they're
usually
done
by
cultural
resource
Consultants.
G
G
If
we're
talking
about
the
entire
area
of
East
Tampa,
that's
going
to
be,
you
know
a
large
undertaking
and
it's
going
to
be
quite
costly,
so
I
would
have
to
plan
for
that
in
the
budget
and
in
Grant
Cycles
to
be
able
to
try
to
leverage
the
money
that
we
would
have
in
our
budget
to
be
able
to
get
a
grant
to
try
to
conduct
that
you
know.
By
going
out
to
the
community,
we
can,
hopefully
maybe
narrow.
G
E
The
manager
of
the
cemeteries
in
Hillsborough,
County
and
I
I
was
with
I
was
on
the
phone
with
her
for
like
2020,
maybe
2021,
and
it's
really
difficult,
because
that
cemetery
is
tied
up,
apparently
the
owners
of
it.
The
city
doesn't
own
it,
and
so
therefore
the
city
can't
go
into
it
and
do
things
legally,
because
it's
not
their
property
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
red
tape.
And
then
the
records
for
the
cemetery
is
not
organized.
E
It's
not
well
put
together
so
and
I
went
to
the
site
and
I
visited
it
and
I
visited
that
area,
and
so
I
wanted
to
make
a
comment
that
there's
another
Cemetery.
It's
called
The
Rose,
Cemetery,
Whispering,
Soul,
Cemetery
and
Zion
Cemetery,
and
this
is
in
in
Safety
Harbor
and
they
literally
had
to
form
a
Grassroots
group
to
actually
get
the
cemetery
preserved.
E
So
I
think
it's
like
the
difference
between
Hyde,
Park
and
East
Tampa
is
that
I
think
home
homeowners
and
they
form
associations,
and
then
the
city
has
something
to
work
with.
But
it's
really
difficult
when
there's
nothing
there
for
the
city
to
work
with,
it's
kind
of
like
Dennis,
is
going
out
to
do
a
search
and
Discovery.
He
has
to
find
people
that
are
interested.
That
can
therefore
form
an
association
or
a
neighborhood
something,
and
then
you
have
a
point
of
contact
and
somebody
to
work
with
that's
Grassroots
in
the
neighborhood.
E
So
that's
what
I'm,
assuming
that
you're
doing
with
this
meeting,
is
that
you're
going
out,
search
and
Discovery
to
see?
What's
there
and
I
understand
that
too,
in
Black
communities,
you
don't
want
to
come
in
well
in
general,
because
they're
gonna
be
like
what
are
you
doing?
Are
you
trying
to
build
a
sewage
plant
here?
So
it's
like
you
have
to
be
wise
and
do
your
research
and
then
the
people
that
are
there
maybe
get
influential
people
business
owners
like
long
generational
homeowners
that
have
a
stake
in
the
community.
E
That
would
be
willing
to
form
a
Association
that
would
assist
with
doing
that
on
the
ground,
because
it's
a
huge
undertaking
and
this
kind
of
thing
takes
years
it
doesn't.
It
doesn't
happen
right
away.
So
that's
what
I
ate
but
I.
Thank
you
for
all
your
hard
work,
because
it's
not
easy
to
do
because
I
was
trying
to
research
that
cemetery
and
it
was
like
I,
wasn't.
I
was
getting
nowhere
with
it.
C
Yeah,
if
I,
okay,
so
what
I'm
thinking
is
with
your
meeting
with
the
CRA,
you
might
suggest
some
properties
that
maybe
a
multiple
property
designation
would
be
a
good
place
to
start,
maybe
throw
out
some
ideas
of
these
properties
and
then
obviously
listen
to
what
the
community
has
to
say
as
far
as
what's
important
to
them,
and
that's
really
the
starting
point,
you
know
and
and
I
think
that's
that's
where
we
are
we'll
have
the
meeting
you'll
have
the
meeting
we'll
get
you'll
provide
some
information,
you'll
get
some
feedback
and
return
to
us
with
that
information,
and
you
know
well
accept
your
information
and
and
maybe
suggest
some
other
steps
to
take,
but
and
I'm
sorry
to
say
this,
but
Rome
wasn't
built
in
a
day.
C
D
As
a
lifetime
tampanian
as
a
business
owner
in
east
Tampa
as
a
cra
person
and
dealing
with
boards
like
this,
we
see
over
and
over
again
when
areas
are
constantly
neglected.
East
Tampa
has
the
highest
population
of
homeowners,
business,
generational
business
owners
and
for
that
big
area,
as
everyone
keeps
saying
how
big
it
is
no
one
has
came
in
and
said
you
know
what
let's
put
this
in
quadrant,
so
that
we
can
break
down
on
how
to
fix
this
area
and
I.
D
I
know
that
I'm,
just
a
regular
person
who
volunteered
my
time
here
but
I
can
see
that
this
is
a
big
area
and
everyone's
telling
me
that,
but
what
no
one
is
saying
is:
okay,
let's
put
steps
in
place
on
how
to
fix
this,
because
this
is
one
of
the.
If
you
don't
know
the
history
of
Tampa
East
Tampa
is
actually
the
heart
of
Tampa
matter.
Of
fact,
that
cemetery
is
the
original
heart
of
Tampa
and
for
that
area
to
be
constantly
neglected,
it
shows
that
we
can
keep
piecemeal
in
it.
D
We
can
get
little
groups
to
do
this
and
that,
but
other
areas
are
growing,
Water
Street
is
growing,
but
east
Tampa
is
continuing,
obviously
dying,
but
I
hear
everything,
that's
said
and
again
I'm
solution
based.
So,
however,
we
can
do
to
get
this
area
back
populated
and
historically
preserved.
I
am
all
for
it.
Thank
you.
So.
H
Madam
chair
there
was
a
motion
that
was
near
you
amending
your
motion
withdrawing
your
motion.
Well,.
D
I
I
don't
have
what
the
historic
preservation
does,
but
the
same
things
that
were
done
for
Port
Tampa,
the
Gathering
of
information
as
I
believe
in
the
November
hearing,
when
staff
brought
up
the
reports
of
Dr
White
those
type
of
information
that
the
historic
presence
of
East
Tampa
could
those
things
be
added
to
that
meeting.
H
G
So
I
can
maybe
kind
of
truncate
the
I
I
would
I
plan
on
that.
Okay,
I
plan
on
having
the
presentation
to
to
present
to
the
committee,
that's
appropriate
for
the
discussion
that
we're
having
I.
Obviously,
it's
going
to
be
with
existing
information,
existing
resources
that
we
have
at
hand
and
properties
that
we
have
designated
in
the
area
to
kind
of
highlight
those,
but
also
I,
get
programmatic
background
about
what
is
historic
preservation
and
what
you
know
what
it
does
and
what
it
can
accomplish
in
the
community.
D
Okay,
so
I
would
like
to
withdraw
my
motion
under
the
point
of
clarity.
Thank
you.
A
G
Right
we
have
some
buildings
in
in
the
area
that
are
really
already
locally
designated,
and
so
we
would
kind
of
you
know,
usually
when
you,
when
you
highlight
those
people
go
I,
know
that
building
or
you
know.
So
we
want
that
type
of
Engagement
to
see.
You
know
what
people
can
kind
of
recognize
as
being
his
appropriate
for
historic
preservation,
because
there's
different
types
of
preservations
there's
preservation
of
buildings.
But
there's
you
know
cultural
preservation
of
sites
as
well,
and
so
we
we
would
want
to
try
to
identify.
You
know
the
priorities
of
the
community.
B
And
on
that
I
think
we
have
I.
I
would
like
to
say,
though
the
minutes
apparently
Miss
Cobb
brought
this
up
during
the
new
business
element
of
the
November
meeting,
and
there
is
a
statement
in
there
requesting
that
staff
review
the
potential
of
designating
East
Tampa
historic
sites
and
I
believe
that
we-
what
we
have
heard
today
is
the
the
very
beginning
of
that
those
steps
forward.
So
perhaps
this
is
a
I
mean
it's
a
start.
B
I
know,
I,
know
it's
difficult
too,
to
say:
oh
look,
this
didn't
happen
here
and
this
didn't
happen
there,
but
every
you
eat
an
elephant,
one
bite
at
a
time
and
so
I
I
think.
Once
we
get
your
report
back
in
May,
there
will
be
some
definitive
Clarity
on
what
the
community
actually
thinks
is
an
appropriate
methodology
to
pursue
and
what
resources
they
can
also
provide
to
assist
in
that
process.
B
It's
it's.
When
I
look
at
the
other
historic
districts,
the
community
has
contributed
enormous
amounts
of
time
and
effort
and
volunteerism
and
and
in
in
the
research
and
documentation
of
things.
So
that
may
be
what
you
will
come
to
know
when
you
talk
to
them
in
May.
G
Yeah
and
obviously
this
is
the
first
I
think
we'll
identify
other
opportunities-
may
not
be
within
the
CRA
structure,
but
you
know
like
a
neighborhood
organization,
I
work
with
the
Ybor
City
Development
Corporation,
quite
a
bit
and
work
with
the
cras
and
the
Heights
and
to
try
to
you
know,
provide
a
structure
for
these
conversations.
So
it
will
be.
You
know
an
initial
step,
but
not
the
final
step.
Certainly.