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E
Mr
smash
galco
has
made
a
motion
for
the
reference
to
go
forward.
The
staff
reports.
Mr
miranda,
has
seconded
all
in
favor
all
right
any
opposed.
F
E
All
right
chief,
do
you
want
to
go,
go
with
57
or
you
want
to
wait
to
the
17th?
Are
you.
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C
57
we
are
offering
to
postpone.
That
was
just
an
update
from
development
and
economic
opportunity,
so
we
saw
the
heft
of
the
agenda
and
the
people
that
are
waiting,
so
we
were
going
to
pass
on
57..
The
rest
of
them
are
really
council's
pleasure.
As
far
as
the
memorandums
go,
I'm
not
conversant
on
what
had
happened
in
the
beginning
of
approving
the
agenda
on
which
staff
members
you
were
willing
to
release
the
first
one
was
58
with
a
memo
from
deputy
administrator
baird
so
leave.
That
first,
is
that
clear.
E
I
believe
that
we
we
said
we
could
release
58.
Was
that
not
correct
john.
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E
C
E
I
would
like
to
hear
a
little
bit
about
that.
I
think
it
was
mr
dean
fellow's
emotion.
B
I
found
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
you
said
that
you
would
just
accept
the
report,
but
I
can
make
sure
mr
birdie's
available,
if
you.
J
Oh
okay,
good,
good,
sorry,
sorry!
Yes,
it
was
in
response
to
the
request
from
councilman
dingfielder,
miss
hamilton,
and
I
I'm
sorry
carl
brody
from
the
legal
department.
Ms
hamilton
and
I
also
from
legal
department,
did
a
review
of
applicable
case
law
and
statutory
provisions
that
would
come
into
play
if
we
wanted
to
incorporate
a
local
business
preference.
J
What
we
found
was
that,
first
of
all,
we
have
a
pretty
strong
local
business
preference
in
place
through
our
26.5
small
business
enterprise
ordinance.
What
that
ordinance
does
is
it
provides
a
sheltered
market
for
local
small
businesses
that
are
based
in
the
city
of
tampa
and
shelton
market
allows
only
those
small
businesses
to
be
able
to
bid
for
certain
projects
that
are
of
a
certain
value
for
larger
projects
that
the
small
businesses
might
not
be
able
to
handle
completely.
J
The
key
distinction
to
be
made
for
a
local
preference
is
that
a
local
preference
applies
to
individuals
applies
to
individual
citizens.
The
hiring
preference
applies
to
individual
citizens
and
treats
them
differently,
and
what
we
found
was
supreme
court
just
favors
that
it
basically
places
a
strict
scrutiny
standard
on
any
local
government.
J
So
the
court
is
an
older
case,
but
it's
been
upheld
subsequently
by
any
other
reviews
has
found
that,
yes,
it's
a
strict
scrutiny
standard.
It
applies,
and
these
hiring
preferences
are
highly
disfavored
unless
we
can
show
that
we
have
a
narrowly
tailored
ordinance
that
achieves
a
an
important
government
interest.
So
that's
kind
of
the
legal
standard
behind
this.
J
When
we
look
at
some
of
the
specific
provisions,
there's
a
reporting
provision
that
we
looked
at
that
is
possible,
but
there
are
some
downsides
to
it
in
terms
of
how
it
would
affect
commerce
in
the
city,
specifically
a
requirement
that
any
of
the
contractors
and
our
subs
track
the
the
zip
codes
or
the
the
citizenship
of
their
employees.
J
That
creates
some
different
concerns
regarding
first
for
staff,
because
we
had
to
track
or
and
determine
the
compliance
by
the
different
contractors
and
subs
with
the
ordinance
program.
Whichever
way
we
went
to
with
it,
but
also
it
kind
of
limits,
our
pool
of
eligible
employees
that
the
businesses
here
in
the
area
could
use
instead
of
being
able
to
to
have
a
broader
consideration
of
possible
employees,
it'd
be
tightly
limited.
J
We'd
also
have
issues
with
reduced
competition
overall
because
of
the
limited
labor
pool
available
and
we'd
also
have
to
make
it
very
difficult
for
any
of
our
businesses
they're
using
day
laborers
to
be
able
to
come
in
compliance
because
just
the
nature
of
working
with
day
laborers
and
getting
their
addresses.
J
We
also
looked
at
specifically
distinguishing
between
neighborhoods.
J
We
didn't
find
any
case
laws
specifically
on
that,
but
we're
very
concerned
that
it's
hard
to
explain
a
basis
to
provide
a
good
basis
for
why
we
would
treat
two
two
different
two
people
who
you
know
basically
live
across
the
street
from
each
other
differently
in
terms
of
one
receiving
a
hiring
preference
and
the
other
night.
That's
an
equal
protection
concern
and
also
a
due
process,
concern
that
we
just
really
want
to
that
we're
concerned
about.
J
If
that
was
the
type
of
program
that
we
were
looking
at
moving
forward
on
and
then,
as
noted
recently,
the
state
passed
a
new
provision
that
does
not
allow
local
hiring
preferences
if
the
state
itself
is
funding
any
part
of
a
construction
project.
So
that
is
also
concerned.
J
Those
are
the
the
main
issues
we
hit
or
just
wanted
to
discuss
with
you
in
the
memo
and
I'll
ask
miss
hamilton
if
she
has
anything
to.
B
Basics,
I
think
we've
gone
through
this
before,
but
those.
K
Are
the
primary
factors
and
for
regard
to
privileges
and
immunities
would
probably
have
to
do
some
sort
of
a
statistical
analysis.
I
Mr
chairman,
as
the
maker
of
the
motion
yeah,
I
I
read
the
memo
when
you
guys
provided
it
a
few
days
ago.
I
appreciate
it.
I
think
it
was
very
comprehensive
and
I
understand
the
limitations
so
anyway,
we'll
carry
on
from
there.
Thank
you
miss.
L
Yeah,
my
firm
in
the
past
has
applied
for
government
contracts
out
of
the
market
out
of
state
we've
done
business
as
far
as
california,
latin
america.
L
We
don't
do
any
in
tampa
by
the
way
for
anybody
watching,
but
the
problem
with
local
preference
is
that
other
governments
retaliate
and
if
our
companies
want
to
be
the
best
that
they
can
be,
they
need
to
be
able
to
sell
outside
this
market.
They
need
to
be
able
to
sell
pinellas
county
pasco.
California,
all
around
the
world
and
providing
protection
for
providing
local
protection
doesn't
work.
L
India
had
a
protected
economy
for
20
30
years
and
when
it
finally
opened
up,
it's
been
one
of
the
biggest
economic
booms
in
the
world's
history
by
opening
it
up
to
competitiveness,
and
I
think
our
we
need
to
protect
our
local
companies
by
enabling
them
to
not
get
hurt
by
working
outside
of
tampa.
I
think.
E
What's
right,
mr
randall
scalco
second
by
mr
vieira,
all
in
favor
aye
opposed
mr
karen
all
right
item
61.
C
Same
scenario
with
director
beat
on
standby.
B
E
Vic
I
I
happened
to
be
on
a
cleanup
venture
with
the
folks
down
in
palmetto
beach.
They
asked
me
to
come
down
to
view
the
actual
sea
wall
me
not
knowing
much
about
sea
wall.
They
really
gave
me
a
history
lesson
of
the
sea
wall
and
actually
showed
me
the
deterioration
of
that
sea
wall.
Now
I
read
in
the
memo
and
it
kind
of
you
know
it.
It
pulls
me
back
that
everyone
was
putting
in
their
budgets
and
putting
things
in
reference
to
the
all
for
transportation.
E
I
don't
understand
why
everybody
was
so
good.
You
stole
these
items
on
money.
You
didn't
have
so
my
question
money
you
didn't.
Have
we
put
it
into
a
a
program?
So
my
question
now
is:
there's
no
money
from
all
transportation.
Don't
know
if
that's
going
to
come
when
it's
going
to
come
so
again
what
what
will
be
the
plan
for
those
folks
going
in
because
they
are
right.
That
thing
is
going
to
cave
in.
E
I
was
down
and
we
keep
doing
a
little
patchwork
on
the
street
there
and
I'm
afraid
we
get
a
good
storm
or
something
happens
that
we're
going
to
have
a
major
problem
down
there.
So
I
saw
the
memo,
but
it
wasn't
detailed
enough
to
tell
me
what
are
we
gonna
do
not
worrying
about
all
for
transportation.
B
All
right
and
that's
a
very
valid
question
chairman.
I
wish
I
had
a
better
answer.
Then
we
will
continue
to
look
for
funding
options
and
we'll
work
with
our
sustainability
and
resilience
officer,
as
the
memo
mentions,
we'll
continue
to
look
for
grants.
I'd
like
to
remind
you
and
council
that
we
have
had
a
lot
of
success
with
grants
in
general.
The
build
brand
coming
to
mind
most
recently,
so
keep
working
on
it,
but
right
now
that
is
the
only
thing
that's
holding
us
back,
and
that
is
funny.
E
Well,
I
appreciate
that's
why,
through
that,
because
the
people
in
palmetto
beach
keep
calling
and
asking
so
we
we've
got
to
give
them
some
type
of
dialogue.
You
know,
and
we
can't
keep
saying
all
for
transportation.
We
got
to
quit
talking
about
that,
because
that's
not
on
the
table
anymore.
So,
just
like
you
said
if
it's
grants
that
we're
after
right
now
to
look
for
or
some
extra
dollars
comes
in
your
department
for
something
else,
then
we
let
those
folks
know
that
this
is
what
we're
planning
to
do
and
how
we're
going
to
do
it.
E
Because
I
mean
I
went
down
there
and
gentlemen.
I
I
urge
you
all
to
go
down
and
look
if
you
don't
know
what
the
sea
wall
is,
but
I
can
tell
you
it's:
it
got
some
major
problems,
I'm
kind
of
fearful
that
one
day
you
don't
know
when
we
could
have
a
major
problem.
Ms
cecil,
you
were
recognized
thank.
M
You
very
much
mr
chair
vic.
Thank
you
for
all
the
hard
work
have
we
looked
at
alternatives
and-
and
you
raised
a
point
of
resiliency
with
sea
level
rise
and
other
effects
that
we're
having
from
climate
change.
There
are
people
that
are
looking
and
saying
the
sea
walls
are
no
longer
a
great
way
of
of
keeping
back
storm
surge
and
we
have
been
going
more
toward
rubble
and
or
mangroves.
Is
that
completely
off
the
table?.
B
B
B
Since
then,
we
have
used
new
means
and
methods
that
have
been
identified
where
riprap
and
erosion
control
will
not
be
needed.
We
can
improve
the
wall
with
water
access
and,
as
part
of
that
or
as
part
of
the
design
process,
we
will
consider
things
like
living
shorelines
or
adding
some
sort
of
vegetation
as
well,
that
is
conducive
to
our
environment.
B
So
certainly
our
views
have
evolved.
Our
challenges
still
remain
around
for
me,.
M
I
Good
afternoon,
vic
just
as
a
follow-on,
it's
kind
of
scary
when
some
of
these
items
go
all
the
way
back
to
2003.
I
When
I
first
came
on
council,
because
I
remember
this,
discussion
really
hasn't
changed
very
much,
which
is
pretty
sad
in
regard
to
what
mr
chairman
says,
and
I
I
do
go
down
to
that
area
periodically
and
it's
getting
worse
and
worse.
What
I'm
wondering
about
is
in
in
reading
the
memo.
You
also
made
reference
to
the
to
the
various
private
easements.
I
think,
there's
about
a
dozen
or
so
and-
and
you
indicated
that
historically,
we
hadn't
received
a
whole
lot
of
cooperation
from
the
adjacent
property
owners.
I
So
but
I
guess
what
I'm
curious
about
is
is
where
I
mean
we:
what
what
does
it
go?
Private
property
on
the
landward
side,
and
then
we
have
an
easement
on.
I
B
I
would
have
to
get
back
to
you
on
that
with
details,
but
we're
not
looking
at
that
option
anymore,
specifically,
because
it
was
more
disruptive
to
the
neighbors,
so
we're
not
looking
at
permanent
easements.
That
was
our
initial
approach
in
2011
2012,
and
there
were
a
couple
of
reasons.
B
One
was
the
cost
of
the
of
those
easements
were
relatively
high
to
where
it
would
not
have
made
financial
sense,
then,
to
move
forward
with
that
approach.
But
now
we
have
better
information
and
better
methods
to
to
prevent
or
mitigate
or
any
kind
of
surge
and
wall
enforcement.
As
well-
and
I
see
that
morris
just
joined
us
who
may
have
more
background
in
this
project
and
may
one
day
the
congress.
P
Q
Are
planet
lots
and
there
was
a
court
case
some
time
ago.
I
F
F
E
All
right
anything
else
on
61,
gentlemen,
big!
Thank
you
as
usual.
Appreciate
all
your
help
and
see
what
you
can
do
about
that.
C
Chairman
one
postscript
on
61,
if
you
don't
mind
real
quick,
this
is
exactly
what
precipitated
the
mayor
and
support
of
the
city
for
me
to
go
to
the
netherlands
and
look
at
some
of
these
sustainability
and
resilient
options
for
different
types
of
shorelines,
and
I
traversed
and
trekked
a
lot
of
that
that
countryside.
C
You
know
the
beach
fronts,
the
the
city
fronts,
the
cityscape,
the
conversions
of
stormwater.
To
you
know,
duplicate,
use
all
those
things
and
to
vic's
point.
You
know
we
need
to
look
at
these
things.
First
from
a
safety
point
of
view,
and
then
accessibility
and
community
resiliency
point
of
view,
and
and
that's
exactly
why
we
brought
within
one
of
those
reasons,
whit
rammer
was
hired
because
he
had
a
really
clear
understanding
how
to
get
other
money
into
the
community
to
do
some
of
these
projects.
E
Thank
you
because
if
you
go
down,
look
at
it
it's
getting
very,
very
bad.
I
was,
I
didn't
realize
what
that
was
until
they
went
and
actually
showed
me
and
I
took
medicine.
I
took
a
bunch
of
photos
and
posted
on
the
pace
and
it's
something
to
look
into
so
glad.
You're
you're.
Looking
into
that
thing.
C
L
Yeah,
just
just
following
on
that,
you
know:
we've
talked
several
times
about
the
sea
level
rise
problem
most
of
south
tampa
is
going
to
be
underwater
in
some
period
of
time.
I
didn't
see
a
specific
answer
to
that
question.
In
the
resiliency
plan
the
mayor
put
out
the
other
day.
Is
there?
Is
there
a
separate
plan?
That's
going
to
come
out
to
specifically
address
what
to
do
with
the
sea
walls
and
and
what
to
do
with
areas
like
south
tampa
that
don't
have
sea
walls
yet
or
not?
All
of
it
does.
C
Sure-
and
I
think
you
know
councilman,
I
think
the
the
focus
on
that
was
when
the
the
58
items
were
put
into
that
part
of
that
was
when
we
built
a
planning
under
carroll
post
area
actually
built.
A
planning
department
with
a
director
is
to
move
in
those
directions
to
make
sure
that
those
areas
are
taken
care
of
and
we're
looking
at
sea
level
rise.
But
that's
definitely
on
the
agenda.
L
I'm
just
curious
that
when
it's
something
we
started
talking
about
council
maybe
two
years
ago-
and
I
know
whit,
I'm
glad
you
all
hired
wit
and
he's
looking
at
it,
and
I
know
that
other
departments
are
but
when
we
have
lots
of
residents
that
are
asking
questions
about.
So
when
what
might
we
have
an
answer
on
it?.
C
L
C
We
know
it's
it's
a
complex
issue,
it's
part
of
a
long-range
plan
process
that
I'm
just
glad
that
this
administration,
this
council,
has
taken
the
lead
on
that.
But
I
guess
what
I'm
asking
to
be
more
specific
in
a
response.
I'd
be
happy
to
to
accept
a
motion
from
a
counselor
and
bring
back
a
report
because
he's
he's.
B
Thank
you,
everyone
chief.
I
just
wanted
to
offer
that
staff
could
circle
back
with
randy
goers
he's
leading
a
sea
level
rise
study
that
we
received,
grant
funding
for
and
we'd
be
glad
to
check
on
the
schedule
for
that
effort
and
report
back
to
council
the
status
of
how
that's
going
and
then
when
we
would
ultimately
have
a
more
of
a
finished
product
or
a
draft
product
to
share
with
the
council.
B
So
if,
if
that
would
suit
as
a
motion,
we'd
be
happy
to
bring
that
information
back
and
give
you
the
status
of
where
we're
at
with
that
sea
level
rise
study
do.
C
C
L
Okay,
just
to
ask
staff
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
ask
staff
to
come
back
to
council
and
report
on
when
the
the
the
status
of
the
sea
level
rise
plan
and
when
the
proposals
might
and
when
the
proposals
might
be
delivered.
G
Question
please:
martin
shelby.
Yes,
I'm
sorry,
a
question
with
regard
to
the
motion.
Is
there
request
for
a
written
report
or
is
an
appearance
going
to
be
necessary
appearance.
L
N
B
L
It
also
you
want
a
date.
It
looks
like
we're
pretty
busy
until
september.
Should
I
say
september
2nd.
Is
that
too
far
out.
L
September
september,.
E
E
Second,
that's
fine
september
23rd
11
a.m.
In
the
workshop,
ms
carlson.
H
L
Thank
you
to
miss
chief
bennett
and
to
miss
duncan
our.
E
C
So
again,
john
bennett,
chief
staff,
coming
back
on
item
62
just
to
keep
things
flowing.
I
did
see
the
memorandum
from
councilman
ding
felder's
office,
so
myself.
C
Obviously,
our
audit
director,
christine
glover
and
our
city
attorney
gina
grimes,
is
on
standby
to
support
anything
either
within
that
memo
or
beyond
that
memo
on
this
item
so
we'll
stand
by
to
support
feedback.
E
I
just
have
a
question.
I
think
this,
this
ordinance
that's
been
kind
of
crafted
now
with
councilman
dingfield
and
the
art
directors
correct.
Am
I
correct.
I
What
my
intent
was
to
to
accept
and
move
forward
the
administration's
draft
ordinance.
I
think
the
latest
draft
was
what
february
christine
and
then.
I
And
then
to
move
forward
setting
that
for
first
reading,
two
weeks
from
now
and
and
then
we
could
revisit
my
comments
and
suggestions
and
any
other
council's
comments
or
suggestions.
Perhaps
in
four
or
five
months.
E
We're
saying
that
you
want
to
go
with
the
late
that
last
draft
in
february
and
put
it
on
for
a
first
reading.
Two
weeks
ago,
two
weeks
from
now.
E
All
right,
miss
glover,
I
wanna
just
want
you
to
cover
some
of
the
nuts
and
bolts
and
just
in
case
some
council
members
are
missing
something
it's
been
a
long
while
now
we've
had
several
containers.
I
do
want
to
kind
of
put
it
to
bed
today.
So
if
you
can
kind
of
go
over
something
just
to
that
of
that
forest,
please,
before
we
take
a
vote
on
that.
N
Yes,
sir,
thank
you.
I
was
I'm
prepared
to
do
a
we
had
the
workshop
on
january
28th,
which
is
a
brief
summary
of
what
we
discussed
on
in
the
workshop.
N
N
We
also
comply
with
government
audit
standards
and
we're
required
to
do
that,
and
it
provides
guidance
for
audit
processes,
ethics,
independence
and
that
we
must
be
free
from
political
reprisals,
etc.
It's
called
the
yellow
book.
We
also
get
a
peer
review
from
a
team
across
the
country
every
three
years
to
to
confirm
that
we
are
in
compliance
with
the
government
auditing
standards.
N
We
would
do
work
for
a
peer
review
in
2020
for
the
previous
three
year
period,
but
of
course
it
was
delayed
due
to
the
pandemic,
and
I've
been
in
conversation
last
week
with
someone
that
we
probably
gonna
have
that
peer
review
this
year,
and
so
one
of
the
things
I
covered
was
that
you
know
our
audit
department
across
the
country.
A
lot
of
people
across
copying
our
processes,
certainly
in
the
tampa
bay
area,
pasco
county,
the
city
of
saint
petersburg.
N
So
when
they
come
and
do
the
peer
review,
they
like
our
approach
to
doing
some
things,
so
they
are
copying
it.
If
we
have
a
peer
review
and
we
found
would
be
not
in
compliance
with
the
standards
that
is
going
to
look
pretty
bad
for
the
city
of
tampa.
N
So
we
need
to
be
careful
that
we
stay
within
that
range
now
our
audit
universe,
which
is
a
list
of
all
the
things
that
we
could
possibly
audit
in
the
city
and
in
as
part
of
our
workshop,
I
gave
you
all
a
copy
of
that
list.
It's
over
160
items
when
we
are
fully
staffed,
we
can
do
15
to
20
audits
in
a
year,
and
so,
at
that
rate,
it
would
take
us
nine
years
to
audit
everything
in
the
city.
N
Now,
our
approach
to
that
is
to
take
a
risk-based
approach
and
the
way
we
do
that
is,
and
it's
a
process
we're
in
the
middle
of
right.
Now
I
start
out
by
meeting
with
all
the
key
management
personnel
city
directors
and
above
one-on-one,
and
when
I
meet
with
them,
I
go
with
their
portion
of
the
audit
universe.
Everything
that
I
can
audit
within
their
area
of
responsibility.
N
We
discuss
it,
we
make
adjustment
to
it.
If
we
need
to,
they
have
an
opportunity
to
request
artists.
If
they
like
and
many
times,
we
do
get
requests
for
audits.
I
remember
a
few
years
back,
maybe
four
or
five
years
ago
I
went
out,
and
I
came
back
after
I
did
all
my
meetings.
I
had
requests
for
26
artists.
Remember,
I
said
I
could
only
do
like
15
to
20.,
so
we
do
get
requests
from
management
at
that
point
after
I
have
all
those
meetings,
we
have
a
tool
that
we
use.
N
N
Once
that
plan
is
developed,
a
proposed
audit
plan
for
the
upcoming
fiscal
year.
I
submit
that
to
the
mayor
for
approval
and
in
all
the
years
I've
been
doing
that
eight
years
here
with
the
city
one
time
the
mayor
added
something,
but
the
mayor
never
took
anything
away
and
and
that's
the
opportunity,
so
what
we
were
trying
to
do
was
just
figure
out
how
we
can
get
council
in
that
process.
So
for
this
year
I
backed
up
30
days.
N
I
got
one
more
meeting
to
have
to
finish
all
the
meetings
and
that's
next
week
and
my
staff
and
I
were
going
to
start
doing
the
risk
assessment
next
week
as
well,
so
a
plan
to
get
something
to
the
mayor
proposed
plan
and
figure
how
we
can
get
counsel
in
on
on
that
and
that's
an
overview
of
how
we
develop
the
audit
plan,
but
each
year,
and
so
I'm
subject
to
any
of
your
questions
I'll,
be
happy
to
try
to
address
anything
that
you
might
have.
C
We
increased
her
office
by
20,
and
but
I
will
also
say
that
we're
giving
a
very
holistic
look
to
her
office
because,
despite
all
the
good
leadership
and
all
the
good
work,
we
tend
to
be
losing
folks
that
christine
is
training
to
this
high
level
and
getting
certified
to
other
outside
entities
that
are
either
in
the
private
sector
or
larger
government
sector.
So
we've
got
our
work
to
do
to
make
sure
that
we
have
sustainability
in
her
office
as
well.
Just
a
couple
comments.
N
And
chief
bennett
is
correct:
the
year
prior
to
mayor
caster
taking
office,
I
lost
the
position
in
the
budget,
cutting
process
and
so
in
actuality.
N
It
would
have
taken
me
12
years
at
that
staff,
size,
and
so
one
of
the
first
thing
they
did
when
they
came
back
was
give
me
that
head
count
back,
but
he
is
correct:
hillsborough
county
moffat,
cancer
center,
they
stealing
our
people
and
buying
them
off
left
and
right.
But
that's
you
know
it
shows
that
we
have
good
quality
and
well-trained
people,
and
these
folks
pockets
are
deeper
than
ours,
but
we
have
a
really
good
staff.
N
We
are
short
now
just
because
of
the
fact
that
we
had
somebody
leave
the
last
two
months,
one
each
month,
but
we're
in
the
process
of
replacing
those
individuals,
but
then
it
takes
time
to
get
them
trained
up,
but
also
in
the
interim,
we
had
a
audit
firm
that
we
worked
with
when
we
were
short
staffed
and
they're
going
to
do
some
audits
for
us
over
the
summer.
E
I
want
to
make
sure
that
within
the
proposed
ordinance
and
mr
dingfield
has
been
talking
going
back
and
forth
again,
we
want
to
try
to
put
this
to
bed,
making
sure
that
council's
purview
to
audits
and
how
we're
going
to
maintain
and
do
that
and
making
sure
that
this
ordinance
doesn't
take
away
any
power
from
counsel
as
it
relates
to
making
sure,
because
the
ordinance
was
was
charred
and
put
in
until
council
could
ask
about
certain
audits.
E
So
if
you
can
just
talk
about
that
quick,
so
all
councils
know
how
that
process
is
going
to
work.
I
know
ms
dingle
has
some
concerns
about
that,
and
hopefully
that's
addressed
at
this
particular
point
when
it
comes
back
in
two
weeks.
Mr
shelby,
have
you
have
you
seen
that
the
ladies.
G
Yeah,
I
don't
have
the
size
the
two
side
by
side,
and
I
don't
have
that
in
front
of
me,
but
with
regard
to,
does
this
implement
the
charter
provision,
and
the
answer
is
yes:
does
this
by
the
way
the
charter
uses,
the
term
request
council
may
request
and
the
the
the
the
the
ordinance
as
it
is.
I
believe
fits
into
your
and
ms
glover
can
speak
to
this.
G
N
The
draft
ordinance
is
set
up
so
that,
once
I
already
talked
through
that
process,
it
goes
to
the
mayor
for
approval
when
she
signs
off
on
it
under
the
current
process.
Then
that's
the
approved
plan
and
we
publish
it
that's
what
we
will
be
working
on
in
the
upcoming
fiscal
year.
The
way
the
draft
is
written
after
the
mayor
has
reviewed
it
and
made
any
adjustments.
N
G
N
Yes,
if
the
requests
came
in
for
some
reason,
some
we
couldn't
do
it
or
we
could
offer
another
alternative
like
a
non-audit
service,
which
is
a
very
narrow
scope,
product
versus
a
full-blown
audit.
If,
for
some
reason
we
couldn't
do
it
to
come
back
and
offer
an
alternative,
that's
the
way
it's
set
up
and
established.
G
That,
with
regard
to
the
timing
of
it,
your
ability
to
participate-
let's
say
in
the
process
now
is
hastened
by
you-
are
you
know,
by
developing
and
and
enacting
this
ordinance
now?
Obviously,
if
there
are
issues
that
come
up,
I
guess,
if
that's
even
council's
pleasure,
if
there's
certainly
no
issues,
the
ordinance
is
fine,
the
way
it
is,
and
if
there
is
another
issue
that
becomes
apparent,
a
council
can
address
it
down
the
road.
G
But
certainly
what
you
have
in
front
of
you
is
something
that
the
administration
supports,
that
the
auditor
knows
what
function
within
her
department
and
certainly
by
your
putting
it
in
place.
Now,
you
won't
lose
this
year's
process
in
order
to
participate
under
the
ordinance.
So
that's.
Why
that's
why
I
believe
there
was
an
issue
of
needing
to
move
forward
timely
in
order
for
you
to
take
advantage
of
this
year.
Her
work
plan.
B
Thank
you
good
afternoon,
council
members.
I
was
just
going
to
answer
one
of
the
questions
that
that
miss
glover
answered
so
I'm
available.
If
you
have
any
other
questions
relative
to
the
provisions
of
the
ordinance.
L
A
question
for
mr
shelby
or
ms
zellman,
as
I
remember
I
don't
have
it
in
front
of
me,
but,
as
I
remember
it,
city
council
by
charter
is,
is
given
the
right
to
investigate.
I
think
is
the
word
as
I
would
guess.
L
Audits
would
be
a
subset
of
the
investigation
power,
so
my
question
is:
does
this
ordinance
in
any
way
take
away
from
city
council's
investigative
authority
by
charter,
or
is
it
just
setting
up
a
process
for
the
audit
department.
M
B
I
was
just
going
to
say
I
I
don't
think
you
you're,
assuming
that
audits
are
a
subset
of
this
council's
investigative
authority.
I
don't
think
that's
the
case
at
all.
The
internal
audits
that
we're
talking
about
are
internal
audits
that
are
addressed
in
the
charter
and,
as
you
heard
from
ms
glover,
are
under
strict
accounting
standards
that
has
nothing
to
do
with
council's
authority
under
the
charter
to
use
investigative
powers
in
the
exercise
of
its
legislative
authority.
B
I
think
they're,
two
completely
separate
issues
that
don't
affect
it,
the
each
other
at
all
yeah
and
I
was
going
to
basically
say
the
same
thing
we
did
discuss
both
during
the
charter
review
commission
process,
but
they're
in
separate
parts
of
the
charter.
What's
before
you
today
is
simply
a
response
to
one
of
the
charter
changes
that
the
charter
review
commission
made
well
the
voters
of
the
city
made
which
allows
the
city
council
by
super
majority,
to
request
additional
audits.
B
You
know,
in
addition
to
those
that
the
administration
was
would
be
doing,
but
the
discussion
we
had
at
the
charter
review
commission
about
the
investigative
powers,
as
gina
pointed
out.
That's
in
a
separate
part
of
the
charter,
and
that
relates
to
being
able
to
conduct
investigations
in
the
course
of
your
legislative
duties.
So
thank
you
great.
E
All
right,
gentlemen,
anyone
else
I
guess
we
can
try
to
put
this
to
bed,
entertain
a
motion
to
come
back
whether
it's
winning
falls
at
two
weeks.
First
reading.
A
G
B
I
And
if
if
the
clerk
doesn't
have
the
draft,
christine
you'll
provide
the
clerk
a
copy
of
the
draft?
Thank
you.
B
E
Move
all
right
so
we're
bringing
in
for
a
landing
for
june
17th.
First
reading
mr
dean
fell's
motion,
mr
maniscott
will
second
it
all
in
favor
any
opposed
what
you
care.
I
Mr
chairman,
if
I
could
just
follow
the
follow
that
up
with
a
the
subsequent
motion
that
I
was
talking
about
in
my
memo
and
I'll
put
that
on
for
we
can,
we
can
give
this
time
to
settle
in.
I
E
Right,
I
don't
know
we're
63.
R
R
R
R
Of
course,
as
you
know,
we'll
be
back
to
brief
council
in
more
detail
regarding
arpa
in
july
next,
some
grants
and
bond
related
items
of
interest.
Then,
of
course,
we'd
like
to
hear
any
questions.
Council
has
so
moving
right
into
the
financial
status.
R
And
here
are
the
expenditure
categories
for
each
of
those
funds,
with
public
safety
parks
and
recreation,
economic
development
and
support
operations,
making
up
the
bulk
of
the
general
fund
and
then
over
on
the
right.
We've
got
the
water
waste
water,
solid
waste,
the
utility
departments,
including
parking.
R
You
heard
councilman
vieira
speak
to
this
just
a
little
while
ago,
they're
well
over
half
of
the
general
fund.
We
show
this
slide
also
because
it
seems
when
most
people
think
of
city
revenue,
they
think
of
property
taxes,
but
property
taxes
are
only
about
a
fifth
of
the
total
budget
and
only
about
half
of
the
general
fund.
R
R
R
R
So
on
the
top
right,
you
see
we
fortified
the
fund
balance
to
a
high
level
by
delaying
expenses,
almost
nine
million
dollars
in
expenses
until
we
had
a
better
lay
of
the
land
and
saw
the
impact
on
our
revenues
and
our
expenditures-
and
you
see
the
result
here
in
our
fund
balance
history
we're
still
maintaining
or
we
project.
We
will
maintain
a
very
strong
fund
balance
well
over
our
20
policy,
in
fact
over
15
million
dollars
over
it,
but
a
far
cry
of
where
we
started
when
we
fortified
that
fund
balance.
R
This
is
very
good
news
for
us
right
now
and
is
the
eighth
year
in
a
row
of
increases
since
the
great
recession
and,
of
course,
further
to
councilman
felder's.
Earlier
comment.
You
see
it
is
indeed
in
green
green
means
it's
doing
better
than
we
anticipate
one
caveat,
though,
as
we've
discussed
before
impacts
to
property,
tax
receipts
typically
lag
due
to
valuations
and
collections,
so
we'll
be
watching
closely.
The
property
appraiser
certified
valuations
at
the
end
of
this
month.
R
Our
election,
our
electric
franchise
fee
you
see
here,
is
a
just
about
its
lowest
in
eight
years.
This
is
a
very
difficult
revenue
to
project
as
it's
based
on
any
number
of
different
factors:
the
weather,
the
rate
charges,
fuel,
charge,
adjustments,
the
increased
use
in
society
of
energy,
efficient
appliances,
so
we're
on
target.
But,
as
you
can
see,
we've
lost
a
few
million
over
the
years.
R
And
these
two
revenue
sources
on
the
left,
the
first
back
up
to
near
fiscal
year,
18
levels
with
a
six
percent
increase
in
and
nearly
two
million
dollars
more
and
the
second,
the
communication
services
tax
staying
near
the
lowest
in
over
a
decade.
You
heard
councilman
maniscalco
speak
to
it
earlier
and
he's
quite
right.
It's
been
a
very
difficult
revenue
for
years.
R
R
Moving
to
one
of
the
city's
biggest
expenditures,
because
nothing
gets
done
without
people
on
the
good
news
side,
our
personnel
costs
here
are
coming
in
about
nearly
two
million
dollars
less
due
to
covid
related
costs
being
born
by
the
cares
act.
That
stimulus
has
helped
us
move
some
of
the
burden
to
that
stimulus
funding
instead
of
our
general
fund.
R
Speaking
of
personnel
and
the
city's
complement
of
employees
over
the
last
10
years,
the
city's
ratio
of
employees
to
the
citizens
we
serve
has
continued
to
decrease.
You
see
here
for
1920
we're
the
green
bar,
where
we
were
the
lowest
ratio
among
our
peers
in
2019
and
2020
after
a
gradual
decline
in
terms
of
the
ratio.
R
I
don't
have
the
2021
information
but,
of
course,
that's
very
positive
and
again
further
proof
to
us
that
we
stayed
right
size
and
in
some,
every
areas
may
be
a
bit
under
resourced
during
the
recovery
from
the
great
recession
and
again
part
of
the
continuing
conservative
fiscal
management.
That
really
has
been
the
city's
hallmark.
R
Back
to
expenditures,
we
continue
to
have
some
of
the
best
funded
pension
programs
in
the
country
you
see
here.
The
fire
and
police
pension
program
is
right
on
budget,
with
an
increase
due
to
higher
salaries
and
some
actuarial
assumptions,
but
remains
funded
in
excess
of
95.
An
absolutely
outstanding
funded
ratio.
R
R
R
Turning
now
to
the
pandemic
funding
status
we
received
and
are
anticipated
to
receive
in
the
very
near
future.
We'll
start
with
the
cares
act.
You'll
recall
the
first
infusion
of
funding
had
that
name
and
we
we
received
and
spent
30
million
dollars
of
it,
and
you
see
the
itemization
here,
the
largest
item,
of
course,
being
public
health
and
safety,
employees,
personnel
expenses,
not
an
insignificant
amount
of
funding,
spent
on
disinfecting
supplies,
social
distancing,
etc,
and
then
the
other
various
costs
allowed
by
the
cares
act.
R
Next
up
the
approximately
80
million
dollars
we'll
receive
over
the
course
of
two
annual
payments,
again
we'll
be
coming
to
council
in
july
for
a
detailed
briefing,
but
for
now
we
and
everyone
else
recently
received
guidance
from
the
treasury
department.
Regarding
the
methodology,
there
were
some
restrictions
on
the
use
of
funding
and
based
on
our
experience
with
the
cares
act,
the
guidelines
will
probably
change
some
as
we
go
forward.
R
The
emphasis
now
as
it
was
then
was
getting
the
money
out
the
door
not
so
much
on
the
guidance
on
the
plus
side.
It
seems
it'll
be
more
flexible
than
cares.
Funding.
Probably
the
largest
example
cares.
Money
was
specifically
not
allowable
for
revenue
recovery,
while
the
arpa
allows
for
it.
That's
no
small
consideration.
R
You
see
here
it's
list
of
authorized
uses,
including
public
health
response.
As
a
reminder,
we
continue
to
have
expenses
associated
with
the
pandemic.
It's
it's
not
over
the
revenue
loss.
I've
already
mentioned
infrastructure
and,
of
course
the
federal
government
is
also
working
on
funding,
a
separate
nationwide
infrastructure
program
and
assistance
to
households,
small
businesses,
industries
and
nonprofits.
R
A
word
or
two
about
our
grants,
program
and
bonds.
First
up
grants.
Council,
you
may
recall
that
last
year
we
developed
a
more
cohesive
grant,
planning
and
submission
program
continuing
to
try
to
ensure
everyone's
on
the
same
page
and
we're
moving
with
one
voice.
R
R
Funding,
what
would
a
budget
presentation
be
without
emphasizing
our
very
strong
credit
ratings?
We
do
this
not
only
to
emphasize
the
city's
strength
in
the
midst
of
these
pandemic
challenges,
but
to
remind
ourselves
in
some
areas
there
is
still
room
to
improve.
R
R
R
Here
is
the
remaining
calendar
associated
with
fiscal
year
22..
The
citizens
budget
advisory
committee
begins
their
meetings
tomorrow
through
early
july
again,
we'll
come
to
you
july
15th
regarding
a
more
detailed
breakdown
and
explanation
of
the
arpa
funding,
the
mayor's
presentation
in
early
august
and,
of
course,
the
september
public
hearings.
R
E
H
Chair,
I
appreciate
it.
Thank
you,
mr
roger,
as
always
for
that.
Yes,
as
always,
very
informative
report,
I
really
appreciate
it.
You
know
the
the
the
deficits
that
we're
operating
under
seem
to
just
things
are
good
right
now,
thanks
to
federal
leadership
that
you
know
last
year
was
bipartisan.
This
year
was
more
partisan,
but
under
cares
act
and
now
the
american
relief
act.
You
know
cities
and
municipalities,
our
local
communities
are
getting
the
funding
that
they
need
to
be
able
to
get
past.
H
This
terrible
crisis
that
we've
been
under
thanks
to
great
leadership,
we're
we're
seeing
what
appears
to
be
the
end
of
it,
which
is
very,
very
good,
we're
getting
closer
and
closer,
and
that's
something
that
we
all
ought
to
celebrate
as
americans.
I
think
that's
just
a
wonderful
thing,
but
you
know
we
have
so
many
deficits.
H
You
know
we
always
councilman
or
chairman
goods
was
talking
about
all
for
transportation,
and
you
know
some
of
the
things
that
we
don't
hear
about
are
the
deficits
that
we
were
going
to
be
taking
care
of
just
with
equity.
Through
that
penny
sales
tax,
I
think
of
the
numbers
with
aft
that
the
just
to
meet
the
needs
in
the
city
of
tampa
for
repaving.
I
think
it's
16
million
dollars
a
year
and
our
present
repaving
budget
is
about
5
million.
H
We
have
in
the
city
of
tampa
budget
if
my
numbers
are.
If
my
memory
is
correct
about
850
000
for
sidewalks,
that
aft
penny
would
have
gotten
us
four
or
five
times
that
amount.
So
you
know
we.
We
know
what
we
have
to
do,
not
only
with
the
with
the
funds
that
we
talked
about
earlier
this
morning,
but
also
with
that
all
for
transportation
penny
sales
tax,
which
is
just
so
very
pivotal
for
us,
so
very
pivotal.
H
For
us,
another
thing
to
keep
on
the
horizon
is,
if
any
of
you
all
own,
a
home
and
you're
getting
letters
from
realtors
a
home
that
was
worth
x
amount
a
year
and
a
half
ago
is
now
worth
probably
x
amount
plus
40
percent,
and
you
have
to
ask
yourself
how
much
longer
will
this
go
for?
Are
we
dealing
with
another
situation
like
we
saw
in
0.708
when
the
city
of
tampa
really
faced
one
of
its
worst
financial
crises
that
we've
had
in
in
such
a
very
very
long
time?
H
We
always
have
to
be
cognizant
of
that,
because
I
I
for
one
am
always
very
very
skeptical
of
that.
You
know
when
I
look
I'm
looking
forward
to
the
mayor's
presentations
on
the
budget.
I've
already
stated
my
strong
preference
of
mr
rahara,
and
I
had
some
frank
talks
about
that
when
it
comes
to
some
of
the
needs
that
we
have
in
our
community,
especially,
I
think
with
I
mentioned
it
this
morning-
tampa
fire
rescue,
something
that's
so
critical.
H
I
remind
folks
that
some
of
the
communities
that
fire
station
13
serves
have
child
poverty
rates
at
40,
50,
60
percent.
So
that's
a
big
issue,
but
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
O
Yes,
sir,
I
saw
the
word
infrastructure
in
one
of
the
slides
and-
and
it's
already
been
said-
and
I
said
it
this
morning-
but
mr
o'hara
said
it-
you
know
the
bulk
of
our
revenue
is
from
property
taxes.
So
one
of
the
most
common
things
I
hear
is
I
pay
my
taxes.
Why
can't
my
road
get
paved?
O
O
I
don't,
I
don't
count
on
it,
but
we
were
relying
on
that
money
to
catch
up
on
those
projects.
This
is,
I
don't
want
to
call
it
a
windfall,
but
this
80
million
dollars
that's
coming
is
will
allow
us
some
flexibility.
I
was.
I
would
assume
so
I'd
like
to
see
in
this
budget
just
basic
street
paving
and-
and
you
know
what
we
can
do
and
sidewalk
projects
and
that's
it
and
you'll-
see
that
at
least
some
people
will
be
happy
with
that
that
their
tax
money
is.
O
Is
the
return
is
something
that
they
can
see.
You
know
so
that
would
be
it
on
top
of.
There
are
a
couple
of
parks
in
my
district.
I
already
spoke
to
mr
o'hara
about
that
that
have
been.
I
don't
want
to
say,
ignored,
but
set
aside
and
put
on
the
back
burner.
O
O
I
just
sit
back
and
I'm
confused,
and
I
laugh
because
it's
you
know
look
at
that
house.
This
was
the
latest
look
at
that
house.
Four
hundred
thousand
dollars
it
appraised
that
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
the
bank,
the
mortgage,
approved
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
the
buyers
are
paying
fifty
thousand
dollars
cash
out
of
their
pocket
over,
because
people
are
fighting
over
that
project
and
I
go
her
or
house
that
that
home-
and
I
asked
myself
if
the
market
drops
just
a
little
bit.
O
You
know
these
people
are
going
to
be
starting
underwater
with
money
out
of
pocket
underwater,
so
it
doesn't
make
any
sense,
but
yet
people
are
buying
and
banks
are
lending
the
money,
and
I
just
don't
understand
I
mean
we
didn't
learn
our
lesson
the
first
time,
so
that's
it
I'll
stop
there.
I
appreciate
it.
L
Yeah,
thank
you
important
important
conversation
and
just
following
on
what
my
colleague
just
said.
You
know.
L
In
the
past,
past
administrations
have
gone
to
city
council
and
asked
what's
your
pet
project
that
we
can
fund,
and
we
haven't
done
that
so
far
in
this
administration,
which
I
appreciate,
the
public
doesn't
want
vanity
projects,
they
don't
want
pet
projects,
they
want
their
basic
infrastructure
addressed
and
when
the
administration,
when
mr
arrow
approached
me
a
year
ago
for
the
budget,
I
said,
I
think
we
need
to
save
money
into
the
general
fund
reserve,
because
everybody
was
predicting
some
kind
of
recession.
We
didn't
expect
cove
at
19
to
hit.
L
I
guess
that
was
two
years
ago.
Wasn't
it,
but
but
thank
goodness,
we
started
to
put
some
of
the
money
back
to
the
last
administration
had
spent
out
of
the
out
of
the
general
fund
reserve,
but
but
going
forward.
We
have
to
address
some
of
these
basic
infrastructure
issues.
We
have
florida
and
tampa
are
not
a
country.
We
can't
close
our
borders.
We
have
people
from
other
states
that
are
moving
here
by
the
by
the
thousands
that
you
know.
The
old
number
was
a
thousand
people
a
day
moving
to
florida.
L
Now
it's
got
to
be
more
than
that,
because
they're
moving
everywhere
and
the
infrastructure
isn't
built
to
hold
the
people
that
we
have
right
now
and
the
complaints
we're
getting
are
about
that.
What
I
said
to
mr
o'hara,
the
other
day,
is
similar.
What
mr
madison
said,
which
is
we
need
to
focus
on
roads.
People
are
very
angry
about
potholes.
They
think
that
only
their
streets
have
potholes
in
them,
and
I
say
no,
it's
it's
throughout
the
whole
city
because
there
was
no
attention
paid
on
it.
L
Maybe
everybody
was
waiting
on
offer
transportation,
but
now
that
that's
not
happening,
we've
got
to
fix.
Potholes
people
have
cars
that
are
falling
apart
because
the
because
the
roads
are
so
bad
and
they're
really
really
bad
in
some
ways.
They're,
maybe
they're
like
speed
bumps
that
they'll
slow
people
down
in
neighborhoods
with
kids
speeding
is
also
a
problem,
but
the
puddles
are
just
horrible.
Sidewalks
we've
we've
talked
at
length
about
we've
got
to
fix
those
parks
that
people
are
spending
more
and
more
time
in
the
parks.
We've
got
to
focus
on
it.
L
The
other
thing
I
would
add
in
that
which
I
didn't
mention
you
before
mr
heroes:
code
enforcement.
We
talked
about
this
morning:
code
enforcement
working
on
parking
issues,
code
enforcement,
working
on
all
kinds
of
things.
People
are
just
really
angry
that
that
nobody
from
the
city
shows
up,
and
it's
because
we're
under
resourced
to
go
out
and
try
to
fix
issues
like
people,
dumping
garbage
in
their
front
yard
or
or
sound
problems
and
other
issues.
Two
two
quick,
three
quick
questions:
can
you
pull
up
your
slides
again,
real
fast
slide?
R
And
do
you,
can
you
still
see
my
screen
or.
L
L
Yeah
so
debts
debt
service,
2.9
percent.
How
does
that
compare
to
other
cities
our
size
is
that
a
high
number
low
number
average
number.
R
L
L
L
L
It
looks
like
the
city,
especially
the
way
this
this
curve
is,
which
is
just
the
way
it
was
set
up
in
excel
or
whatever,
but
it
looks
like
the
city
is
just
spending
a
whole
lot
of
money
on
staff
and
staffing
up.
Do
you
have
any
idea
what
that
number
was
pre-2008,
so
that
would
have
been
under
the
iowa
administration
when,
when
the
great
recession
had
hit.
Q
L
And
then
the
same
thing
with
the
next
slide,
which
shows,
I
think,
per
per
capita
per.
You
know
that
kind
of
ratio.
I
wonder
just
so
we
can
show
the
context
and
and
what
I
think
the
point
I'm
trying
to
make
is
that
what
we're
experiencing
is
that
where
the
city
has
been
understaffed
because
of
the
great
recession
and
other
things,
this
the
city's
been
understaffed
and
being
able
to
solve
some
of
the
problems
that
the
community
wants
and
and
now
we're
the
the
administration
is
spending
on
staff.
L
But
we
need
to
show
that
that
that's
a
response
to
what
the
public
needs,
but
also
that
we're
trying
to
get
back
up
to
maybe
the
same
level
of
service
we
had
before
2008
and
the
last
thing
a
big
question
I
get
from
from
my
district
is
people
complain
about
property
tax
increases
and
what
they're
really
talking
about
is
the
is
that
their
property
value
went
up,
which
is
a
good
thing,
but
then
their
taxes
go
up
and
if
they're
under
safer
homes,
they
get
a
limit
to
that
commercial
property
doesn't
as
much.
L
But
one
of
the
questions
we
get
is:
why
can't
you
guys
just
roll
back-
and
I
know
that's
a
loaded
question,
but
could
you
just
give
us
an
idea
if
we
rolled
back
to
last
year's
revenues?
What
what
what
kind
of
impact?
I
know
it's
a
tough
question
to
answer
quickly,
but
what
kind
of
overall
impact
would
that
have
on
the
budget,
considering
everything
we're
trying
to
do.
M
M
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
dennis
that
that
one
slide
always
bothers
me
a
little
bit
the
one
that
shows
how
our
numbers
of
employees
have
drop
dropped.
There
we
go,
and
I
mean
it's
always
good
for
us
to
you,
know,
try
and
be
prudent
and-
and
you
know,
stretch
stretch
our
dollars
as
far
as
possible,
but
the
flip
side
is
is
right.
I
At
the
beginning
of
mayor
caster's
administration,
she
and
I
stood
down
in
her
office
and
kind
of
bragged
about
the
fact
that
we
were
going
to
pay
our
employees
a
minimum
of
15
an
hour
to
do
the
work
of
the
city,
which
is
you
know
it's
hard
for
people
to
live
on
fifteen
dollars
an
hour,
but
some
some
of
our
employees.
At
that
time
I
think,
were
11
or
12
dollars
an
hour
so
about
100
employees.
I
think
got
bumped
up
to
15
an
hour,
and
that
was
a
good
day.
I
You
know
eight,
eight,
nine
ten
dollars
an
hour
and
as
a
community,
I'm
not
really
sure
what
we
accomplish
in
doing
that-
and
this
is
something
I've
been
talking
about
for
many
many
years
specifically
on
item
41
of
today's
agenda.
It
actually
makes
reference
to
the
fact
that
a
particular
vendor
was
looking
for
a
little
bump
in
their
contract,
so
they
could
raise
them,
raise
what
they
pay.
I
I
So
that's
something!
I
know
that
that
I-
and
I
would
hope
the
rest
of
the
city
council-
will-
will
keep
a
sharp
eye
out
on
in
the
future.
I
know
I
know
in
many
times
we
don't
necessarily
know
exactly
how
much
our
contractors
pay
their
employees
and
I'm
not
really
sure
how
we
get
to
that
that
sort
of
information.
I
But
you
know,
I
think
we
should
encourage
all
of
our
contractors
to
follow
suit
in
terms
of
what
the
city
is
paying
and
at
least
pay
a
minimum
of
fifteen
dollars
an
hour
and
keep
the
community's
standards
higher.
Otherwise,
as
the
chairman
pointed
out,
people
end
up
out
on
the
street
because
they
can't
afford
a
place
to
live.
It's
seven
or
eight
dollars
an
hour.
All
right,
that's
my
soapbox!
Thanks
dave,
mr.
E
P
E
Yes,
I
know
public
safety
is
a
big
issue
with
with
fire
everyone's
had
their
contracts
last
couple
years
done,
and
I
think
that
I
don't
think
there
are
any
races
that
are
due
at
this
particular
big
races,
any
bonuses
due
with
public
safety
this
upcoming
year,
because
we
did
contracts
a
couple
years
ago,
so
we
need
fire
stations
and-
and-
and
I
understand
that
I
hope
we
can
get
that
in-
but
for
me
right
now
and
for
my
district
and
actually
for
the
city,
especially
all
the
marginalized
communities
within
all
four
of
the
districts.
E
E
That
has
to
be
number
one.
Public
safety
is
our
overall
goal,
that's
most
of
our
general
fund.
I
do
understand
that
don't
want
to
take
anything
from
our
public
safety,
because
I
know
we
got
to
work
with
fire,
because
fire
has
an
issue
but
but
other
than
that
housing
has
to
be
there.
E
When
I
look
at
the
homeless
people
in
these
communities,
when
I
hear
miss
grimsdale
and
them
over
in
bme
board
with
the
homeless
situations
going
over
there,
you
know
when
I
look
at
some
of
the
other
communities
and
again
it
just
broke
my
heart
for
that
story.
Yesterday,
with
that
young,
mother
and
kids,
and
as
a
police
officer,
I've
seen
that
so
many
times,
but
times
are
getting
much
tougher
right
now
we
have
to
address
that.
E
That's
my
big
ticket
item
for
five
and
actually
for
all
for
all
the
other
three
districts,
because
they
are
even
in
district
four
district,
mr
carlson's
digit.
Four,
there
are
some
marginalized
communities
out
in
port
tampa
bay
area
that
need
help
as
well.
So
that
is
my
thing.
What
I
want
to
ask.
E
I
was
at
a
meeting
a
special
guest
at
a
meeting
a
couple
weeks
ago
and,
and
there
were
all
the
politicians
and
they
had
to
sit
on
all
the
boards
and
other
counties
in
other
states,
and
they
asked
a
couple
of
questions
that
I
had
no
answer
to.
E
E
Like
you
know,
each
one
of
those
banks
that
we're
utilizing
they
have
community
redevelopment
money
that
they
that
they
give
out
like
know
what
projects
that
they
have
given
out
over
the
years
where
and
the
dollar
amount
has
been
spent-
that's
crucially
important
for
our
community,
because
those
dollars
should
be
used
in
marginalized
communities.
E
E
You
should
be
able
to
get
those
answers
to
this
board,
so
we
can
know
where
our
money's
housed,
how
much
is
housed
in
those
banks
and
again
when
we
look
at
those
community
dollars
they're
supposed
to
be
using
communities,
especially
we're
housing
money
there.
Where
are
those
funds
being
allocated
at
and
how
much
have
been
allocated?
Mr
chairman,.
I
I'll
respectfully
suggest
why
don't
you
put
that
in
the
form
of
a
motion?
I
can
do
that
sure
and
and
because
mr
bennett
seems
to
think
that
life
goes
better.
That
way.
E
E
Sure
I
don't
have
any
issue
with
that.
All
right,
I'll,
just
shoot
that
with
the.
I
Motion,
if
the
motion
is
clear,
that
we
have
a
second
second,
mr
manuscot,
those
seconds.
E
I'm
asking
that
all
the
city
banks
that
we
utilize,
who
are
they,
how
much
dollars
we
have
in
them.
I
also
want
to
know
the
community
redevelopment
money
that
those
banks
use,
because
we
hold
our
money
there.
Where
have
the
money's
been
allocated
at
and
how
much
total
dollars
have
been
utilized
and
I'll
even
go
just
past
five
years.
I
wouldn't
try
10.
I'll
just
go
five
years
for
mr
hero.
I
E
Thank
you,
sir
also,
mr
hero.
I
received
a
phone
call
from
my
past,
chairman
of
the
finance
committee
and
said
they
didn't
have
difficulties
trying
to
get
these
meetings
scheduled.
I
did
see
on
the
calendar
that
we
do
have
some
meeting
schedule,
I'm
hoping
that
we
get
good
cooperation.
I
understand
that
sometimes
we
don't
get
the
cooperation
from
staff
or
whatever.
This
is
a
council,
but
it's
a
very
important
board
dealing
with
money
and
situations.
E
So
I'm
hoping
that
you
know
I
know
you're
over
that
particular
area
there,
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
all
the
administrators
who
have
departments
that
dealing
with
money
that
they
they
make
the
meetings
as
required
and
making
sure
that
they,
if
they
can't
have
that
administrator,
cannot
make
it
that
they
have
at
least
a
top
level
official.
And
that
means
who
can
answer
questions.
That
is
very
important.
E
I
know
most
of
the
board
members
have
kind
of
changed
some
of
their
members
because
we
passed
last
year
making
sure
that
you
have
people
on
that
board.
Who's
financially
sound
an
astute
to
handle
budgetary
issues,
so
I
know
there's
some
new
members
on
there
and
hopefully
again
it's
not
to
you'll
get
the
administration
or
the
finance
department.
It's
just
to
make
sure
that
we
have
transparency
for
the
citizens
of
dollars
so
that
I
don't
have
anything
else.
E
Anybody
else
having
them
been
waiting
for
a
long
time,
we're
gonna
get
to
them
yesterday,
we're
gonna
get
to
them
all
right
anything
else.
Gentlemen,
all
right,
mr
hill.
Thank
you
so
much,
sir
great
presentation.
As
usual.
K
K
This
is
for
the
property
located
at
5426
pace
center
drive
the
request
before
you
was
from
pd
to
pd
for
office
business,
professional
medical
office,
hotel,
multifamily
residential.
This
case
was
continued
from
february
11
march
18th
and
then
april.
1St
to
today's
hearing
I
do
have
my
staff
online
in
case
there
are
any
questions
from
our
previous
presentations.
K
E
Q
Yes,
sir,
this
is
my
name,
is
david
mechanic,
mr
chairman
council
members.
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
crescent
resources
with
me
this
afternoon
is
tim
graf
with
communities.
I'm
sorry,
not
resources,
dan
woodward,
with
high
woods
and
randy
cohen
of
cohen
and
company
like
to
provide
just
a
brief
presentation
to
discuss
two
matters
that
came
up
at
our
last
hearing
and
I
just
refreshed
the
council's
memory.
Q
Q
Q
Q
And,
as
I
said,
is
currently
approved
for
546
multi-family
you
to
that
end,
my
client
has
spent
a
great
deal
of
time
analyzing.
What
type
of
apartment
project
can
be
built
on
the
site
under
the
existing
zoning
effect,
and
we
are
doing
this
to
illustrate
what
can
occur
on
the
property
today,
regardless?
What
council's
actions?
I
P
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
it
now.
This
will
be
a
brief
presentation.
This
is
the
location
of
the
subject:
property
on
bay
center
drive,
the
first
office
building
has
been
constructed.
P
The
first
portion
of
the
parking
structure
has
been
constructed,
so
the
subject
of
the
rezoning
today
is
to
modify
the
approval
for
this
parcel
of
land
here.
Currently,
it's
approved
for
a
building
that
would
fit
a
footprint
generally
of
this
in
a
long
rectangular
shape
and
crescent
communities,
which
is
a
nationally
recognized
high-end.
Multi-Family
developer,
chose
to
suggest
that,
at
this
property,
the
type
of
multi-family
that
would
be
here
would
be
considerably
different
than
the
typical
market
rate
multi-family,
which
is
what
was
originally
approved
on
the
property.
P
So
what
they've
done
is
move
the
site
from
a
large
rectangle
to
a
more
linear
building,
and
that's
what's
triggered
this
rezoning
with
this
concept.
As
mr
mechanic
stated,
there
would
be
292
units
as
opposed
to
the
546
units
that
are
currently
approved.
The
parking
structure.
The
lighter
color
here
is
the
existing
structure.
The
parking
structure
would
be
expanded
by
one
bay
half
of
what's
approved
for
the
expansion
and
would
be
eight
stories
rather
than
the
11
stories.
That's
currently
approved
for
this
entire
parking
garage
expansion.
P
This
is
a
look
at
it
with
the
building
in
place.
Thanks
to
graphics
and
the
various
things
we
can
do,
you
can
see
the
building.
It's
linear
shape,
it's
positive
connection
to
the
parking
structure,
the
fact
that
the
building
will
then
screen
the
south
facade
of
parking
structure,
which
I
believe
is
very
important
from
a
planning
standpoint.
Whenever
possible,
you
will
see
that
the
parking
structure
itself
is
only
widened
by
one
bay,
as
opposed
to
the
two
bays.
P
Crescent
communities
thought
it
would
be
good
for
everyone
to
have
a
very
clear
and
transparent
understanding
of
what's
going
on
here
today,
so
we
developed
a
second
multi-family
concept
that
is
consistent
with
the
existing
approved
zoning
on
the
property.
This
is
a
rendering
of
it.
It
is
450
units
it
stays
within
that
approved.
Building
footprint
that
large
rectangular
footprint
you
can
see.
The
garage
is
not
expanded
by
one
bay
but
expanded
by
two
bays,
and
that
is
height
is
11
stories
rather
than
eight.
P
P
So
what
I
want
to
do
now
at
this
point
is
simply
to
provide
you
with
comparison
so
that
everyone
understands
what
is
happening
today.
The
proposed
luxury,
as
it's
called,
is
a
large
unit
product
very
upscale
292
units,
the
approved
market
rate
as
we're
calling
it
apartment,
which
is
what's
shown
here
to
the
right,
is
450
units.
That's
158
units
more
than
the
current
proposal
in
this
rezone.
The
size
of
the
units
are
substantially
different,
921
versus
521..
P
When
you
look
at
the
type
of
units
in
the
two
buildings
with
the
proposed
zoning
today,
they
are
one
and
two
bedroom
units.
When
you
look
at
what
would
be
built
under
the
current
approved
zoning,
they
would
be
studio
and
one
bedroom
units
more
akin
to
what
is
being
called
now.
Micro
unit
apartment
complexes,
the
rents
for
the
proposed
product
that
we
have
in
the
zoning
today
are
twice
that
of
what
they
would
be
for
the
market
rate,
so
you're
50
percent
less
same
number
of
stories,
just
a
different
building
footprint.
P
When
you
look
at
traffic,
the
traffic
is
substantially
less
for
the
proposed
multi-family,
as
opposed
to
the
approved,
and
I
do
have
a
typo.
Those
should
both
be
pluses
there
34
more
traffic
in
the
morning,
32
more
traffic
in
the
afternoon
with
the
approved
market
rate,
multi-family
concept,
corridors
enclosed
and
conditioned
as
opposed
to
open
air,
just
a
difference
in
the
quality
of
the
building
that
would
be
constructed.
P
Tenant
types
with
the
proposed
rezoning,
they
would
be
professional
and
empty
nesters,
relatively
high
income
individuals
with
the
approved
market
rate.
It
would
be
just
that
typical
market
rate
typical
apartment,
complex.
You
see
throughout
tampa.
As
I
said
before,
with
the
garage
levels,
we
have
eight
levels:
expansion
for
the
proposed
rezoning
for
the
approved
rezoning.
It
would
require
all
11
of
the
currently
approved
parking
structure
levels
that
would
be
an
increase
of
three
under
the
proposed
rezoning.
P
P
No
screening
of
the
garage
under
the
market
rate
concept,
of
course,
under
what's
proposed
today
it
would
be
screened
effectively.
A
western
overlay
would
be
required.
This
building
would
be
required
to
comply
with
the
west
shore
overlay
for
the
proposed
rezoning.
P
P
Both
of
these
projects
are
financially
feasible,
so
we
simply
want
everyone
to
understand
that
this
is
not
a
situation
where
multiple
will
not
or
cannot
be
built
on
the
property.
It's
a
matter
of
what
multi-family
would
be
built
on
the
property
and
with
that,
thank
you
I'm
glad
to
answer
any
questions.
You
may
have
any
questions.
I
Mr
info,
you
recognize
thank
you,
mr
cohn
just
a
couple
of
questions.
I
think
some
of
these
came
up
the
last
time,
but
it's
been
a
couple
of
months,
so
the
the
the
project
that
you
spoke
to,
or
that
mr
mechanic
spoke
to
is
546
units
additional
units.
I
P
That's
correct
and
we
even
went
to
the
extent
of
developing
a
concept
to
determine
whether
we
could
physically
get
546
dwelling
units
on
the
property.
It
looks
like
the
maximum
that
can
actually
built
on
be
built
on
the
property
are
450
units
and
we
wanted
to
make
sure,
be
very
transparent
with
what's
going
on
here
and
the
fact
that,
while
546
units
are
approved,
the
likely
maximum
will
be
450
units.
In
this
particular
case,.
O
I
I
If,
if
you're
fortunate
enough
to
build
it,
what
direction
it's
going
to
go?
Is
it
going?
Is
it
going
to
go
out
hoover
what
percentage
is
going
to
go
out
hoover
to
kennedy
in
275
as
compared
to
going?
You
know,
zigzagging
through
the
neighborhood
and
coming
out
of
the
zeal?
Are
you
able
to
model
that.
P
We
have
modeled
that
basically
about
five
percent
of
the
traffic
is
likely
to
use
the
zeo,
regardless
of
what
we
do
with
restrictions.
Directionality
that
sort
of
thing
the
vast
majority
of
project
traffic
will
go
to
hoover
and
that's
true
for
either
the
office
concept
or
the
multi-family
concept.
P
Interestingly,
here,
since
what
we're
proposing
is
a
multi-family
concept,
that's
literally
virtually
50
percent
less
traffic
than
what
the
office
building
second
office
building
that
would
be
built
here.
We
actually
have
very
little
increase
in
the
residential
direction
of
traffic,
as
opposed
to
the
very
substantial
increases
we
have
with
an
additional
office
building
on
this
property
and
that
office
building
is
approved
for
a
little
over
223
000
square
feet.
Very
substantial
building.
I
And
then,
in
my
last
question,
mr
chairman,
in
regard
to
the
waivers,
have
you
already
submitted
a
revised
site
plan
that
eliminates
the
waivers
or
is
that
what
you
anticipate
doing
between
first
and
second
reading?
If
you
get
that
far.
P
The
matter
of
the
process
we're
in
we'd,
be
submitting
them
to
you
today
to
be
listed
as
a
part
of
the
revisions
that
we
would
make
between
first
and
second
reading.
We
also
are
going
to
proffer
a
condition
regarding
not
only
the
west
shore
overlay
waiver
being
removed,
but
the
process
by
which
the
project
will
be
reviewed
and
determined
to
be
compliant
prior
to
construction
permits
being
issued.
I
And
I
I
lied.
Mr
chairman,
one
other
question:
you
mentioned
public
amenities,
I
didn't
I
didn't
recall,
I
don't
recall
what
they
were,
I'm
not
doubting
you,
but
what?
What
were
the
public
amenities
being
proposed
today?
We.
P
Have
a
series
a
series
of
public
amenities,
the
ones
of
which
are
on
the
property,
would
be
listed
on
the
revision
sheet.
They
are
a
bicycle
station
water
station
pet
stations
along
the
property.
We've
also
talked
with
the
neighborhood
and
agreed
that
we
would
provide
some
additional
off-site
amenities
if
it's
the
pleasure
of
the
city
of
tampa
public
works
department
to
approve
those,
because
those
would
be
in
right-of-way
adjacent
to
the
property.
I
Q
M
Thank
you
very
much,
just
adding
on
to
councilman
dingfelder
about
the
amenities.
This
is
not
a
question.
This
is
comment
with.
Five
of
the
major
automobile
manufacturing
is
going
to
be
going
electric
in
the
next
five
years.
M
Q
Now
let
me
just
wrap
up
our
initial
presentation,
just
to
recap
what
randy
said.
Our
proposal
today
reduces
the
number
of
units
to
be
built,
reduces
the
traffic
and
reduces
the
population
of
the
project.
All
of
these
things
are
items
that
apparently
are
desired
by
the
neighbors,
but
they're
still
objecting
to
this
project.
So
I
just
like
to
point
out
that
we
think
we're
doing
what
the
neighborhood
is
asking
to
be
done.
That
concludes
our
initial
presentation
and
it's
like
to
reserve
an
opportunity.
E
Thank
you,
sir.
We'll
move
on
to
public
comment,
how
many
we
have
down
in
the
second
floor.
E
G
Shelby
city
council
attorney-
I
just
wanted
to
bring
the
council's
attention
just
for
the
purposes
of
the
public
and
purposes
of
the
record.
This
is
a
continued
first
reading
public
hearing
and
it
has
been.
G
G
I
would
just
ask
that
if
you
have
spoken
previously
and
have
offered
testimony
previously,
that
you
do
not
repeat
yourself,
please,
because
all
of
that
information
is
in
the
record
and
also
that,
if
you
have
spoken
previously,
please
do
let
us
know
so
that
council's
aware
of
that
and
finally
that,
to
the
degree
that
you
can
to
limit
your
subject
and
your
evidence
in
support
or
opposition.
G
A
C
C
C
I
want
to
address
a
few
more
points
to
wrap
up
in
light
of
today's
presentation,
but
I
also
wanted
to
take
a
brief
moment
if
it's
possible
outside
of
my
time
and
address
that
ms
burkey
was
last
time
she
presented
her
qualifications,
but
they
were
then
summarily
kind
of
dismissed
by
council
for
the
applicant,
and
I-
and
I
didn't
want
her
testimony
to
be
disregarded
from
the
standpoint
of
what
her
qualifications
were
as
a
planner
and
a
board-certified
land
county
government
attorney
and
wanted
to
bring
that
into
the
record.
From
that
respect.
C
In
context
of
today's
comments
and
presentation,
we
appreciate
the
fact
that
the
waivers
related
to
the
west
shore
overlay
have
been
dropped,
and
we
certainly
urge
that
if
this
is
approved,
though
we
are
urging
denial
that
those
conditions
be
made
a
part
of
the
approval
very
clearly,
we
have
an
opportunity
to
look
at
those
and
speak
to
those
the
more
important
parts.
C
However,
it
also
is
a
situation
where
you're
bringing
into
a
very
confined
and
limited
area
all
the
additional
traffic
and
people
would
have
to
leave
with
roads
that
are
are
poor
quality
and
which
tend
to
flood,
which
is
the
history
here
in
south
tampa
and
and
around
beach
park.
We
also
believe
that
the
project
is
incompatible
with
the
scale
and
character
the
neighborhood,
because,
but
for
the
two
buildings
which
are
condo
buildings
nearby,
that
are
eight
story,
but
still
shorter
than
what's
proposed
and
the
building
next
to
it,
which
is
shorter
than
what's
proposed.
C
Everything
else
is
much
smaller,
lower,
two
and
four-story
office
and
lower
residential
and
lower
density
in
that
respect,
and
that's
the
character
and
quality
of
the
neighborhood
that
really
needs
to
be
considered
protected
and
preserved.
In
the
context
of
the
comprehensive
plan
and
in
your
consideration
today
and
again,
if
you
have
any
questions,
let
me
know.
G
G
K
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
paula
perry
and
I'm
a
resident
of
beach
park.
I
appreciate
you
allowing
us
to
speak
today.
I
am
concerned
about
the
development
of
this.
I
realize
it's
already
been
approved
to
build
some
building,
but
I'm
very
concerned
as
a
resident
regarding
the
density
and
the
overall
height
of
the
building.
It
does
not
it's
not
compatible
with
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood.
K
K
It
increases
the
risk
for
our
emergency
evacuation
by
adding
these
additional
residents
in
cars
or
vehicles,
and
while
there
might
be
292
units
they've
requested
over
a
thousand
parking
spots.
So
we
know
those
are
going
to
be
filled
with
cars.
K
The
development
would
strain
our
existing
natural
resources
and
actually
could
damage
some
of
the
natural
habitats
of
the
wildlife
that
is
all
throughout
beach
park,
the
construction
and
the
building
itself,
and
then
the
ongoing
construction
could
damage
the
surrounding
area,
which
is
the
habitat
to
herons
white
ibis,
snowy,
egrets,
manatees
and
great
horned
owls,
we're
very
concerned
about
schools
being
overcrowded,
even
if
they
are
empty
nesters.
K
There
may
be
families
that
move
in
there
and
we
welcome
families,
it's
a
neighborhood,
and
so
we
are
concerned
about
having
our
already
crowded
schools
being
even
more
crowded
and
we're
just
overall
concerned
about
the
diminished
quality
of
life.
E
E
E
All
right
we'll
go
to
our
registered
calls.
A
E
B
Yes,
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
I
personally
have
rented
at
a
luxury
apartment,
called
the
sky
house
and
channel
side.
Just
a
few
just
a
few
miles
from
here.
I
rented
there
for
approximately
three
and
a
half
years
before
deciding
to
get
out
of
that
and
buy
a
house.
I
was
thinking
luxury,
no
down
payment,
secured
access.
B
It
was
a
great
option,
but
after
living
there
for
so
long
and
paying
close
to
2400
a
month
to
stay
in
the
penthouse
there,
I
learned
that
renters
have
a
completely
different
mindset
than
homeowners
and
many
renters.
They
don't
really
care
about
disturbing
their
neighbors
and
they
don't
really
care
about
their
neighborhood
because
they're,
mostly
transient
and
they're,
just
coming
in
for
maybe
six
months
to
a
year
and
then
they're
going
somewhere
else.
B
So
I'll
give
you
a
perfect
perfect
example
was
paying
2
400
a
month
living
in
the
penthouse,
a
neighbor
in
the
well
on
the
other
side
of
the
just
across
from
me,
someone
else
moved
in
and
he
was
also
paying
2400
a
month
to
rent
that
penthouse,
but
he
was
he
was
on
drugs.
They
threw
parties
all
the
time
and
they
were
just
a
complete
nuisance.
B
Three
or
four
times
a
week.
Music
will
be
blasting
to
about
three
or
four
o'clock
in
the
morning,
so
these
are
the
types
of
people
that
you
know
these,
these
luxury
apartment
buildings
attract.
Also,
you
would
simply
not
believe
how
many
drug
dealers
live
in
these
luxury
apartments.
B
I
met
a
handful
myself
because
you
want
to
meet
your
neighbors.
You
want
to
make
friends,
and
I
was
very
surprised
to
hear
that
these
people
that
I
made
friends
with
were
actually
drug
dealers.
You
can't
tell,
but
that's
an
element
that
these
luxury
luxury
apartments
bring
into
the
neighborhood,
and
not
only
just
the
few
that
I
met.
Personally,
I
heard
that
there
were
probably
20
or
30
more,
at
least
in
the
building
dealing
drugs
that
I've
never
met
and
that
it's
it's
obvious
that
it
would
increase
the
crime
rate.
B
It
would
increase
drugs
coming
through
the
area
and
it
would
increase.
B
The
use
the
usage
of
drugs
in
that
area
by
maybe
the
younger,
the
younger,
the
young,
the
younger
generation,
also
I've
been
an
active
real
estate
broker
in
the
state
of
florida
for
over
25
years
and
in
my
professional
opinion,
there's
absolutely
no
way
the
saturation
of
this
area
with
an
additional.
B
Also
with
pets
50
over
50
of
american
households,
they
own
own
pets
and
so,
for
example,
this
this
apartment
complex,
is
going
to
have
about
296
units.
292
rental
units
divide
that
by
two
let's
say:
156
pets,
it's
reported,
40
percent.
Thank
you,
sir.
E
Thank
you
we'll
get
here
next
from
mr
dominic
costello.
S
S
Nobody
in
my
community,
I
live
on
mariner
street
in
the
mariner
town
home
hours
or
in
beach
park
knew
about
this
development.
It
was
originally
slated
to
be
a
commercial
building
in
2018
and
then
they've
sold
the
land
to
crescent
to
develop
in
the
multi-family.
The
area
in
question
is
a
big
green
space
area.
Now
the
problem
with
the
notifications
we
didn't
know
if
we
would
have
known
as
citizens,
I
can
tell
you
we'd,
be
out
there
in
droves
and
opposing
it
from
the
first
from
the
first
start.
S
S
The
two
large
towers
already
are
condominiums
they're,
nowhere
near
that
size
and
what
I
would
respectfully
request
of
the
city
council
is
to
revisit
this
situation
and
speak
the
developer
and
try
to
come
to
an
agreement,
not
just
with
us
who
are
going
to
be
mostly
impacted,
but
the
entire
community,
and
it
has
to
do
with
the
size.
That's
a
huge
building,
not
to
mention
losing
the
green
space
and
the
building
next
door
to
it
is
a
commercial
building
that
I
would
respectfully
request
you
to
find
out
how
vacant
it
is.
S
There
are
barely
any
tenants
in
there
why
not
look
into
possibly
renovating
that
building
into
multi-family
versus
keeping
a
building?
That's
not
going
to
be
occupied
from
a
commercial
standpoint
versus
building
an
entirely
new
residential
tower.
I
get
the
financial
times
we're
in
in
regards
to
low
interest
rates
and
the
ability
to
finance
these
kind
of
deals,
but
it's
not
the
right
fit
for
the
community,
and
I
would
also
strongly
recommend
city
council
reconvene
and
have
a
meeting
but
make
us
the
first
item.
S
I've
been
operating,
doing
procedures
trying
to
see
patients
hanging
on
to
get
in
on
this
meeting.
It's
it's
constantly
being
kicked
down.
The
road
have
a
meeting
in
the
morning
where
citizens
and
homeowners
like
myself,
can
schedule
to
be
there
and
it
goes
on
the
agenda
first
and
we
can
voice
our
opinion.
I
think
you'll
find
a
lot
more.
Many
people
like
myself
are
not
for
this,
and
so
it
just
needs
to
be
something
that
when
we
are
brought
it's
brought
to
our
attention
and
it
wasn't.
S
The
second
part
I
want
to
bring
up
is
what's
right
for
south
tampa,
we've
seen
all
these
developments
going
on
south
of
gandhi
on
west
shore-
and
you
have,
you
know
entire
community.
You
know
I'm
sure
you
all
know
about
sog
and
they're
up
in
arms
about
what's
going
on.
Are
you
trying
to
do
that?
To
us
now
this
is
not
the
right
project
for
us.
South
tampa
is
developing
too
quick.
You
have
1500
units
going
into
west
shore
mall.
Has
that
been
discussed
at
all?
No,
you
have
georgetown
apartments.
S
That's
been
torn
down
the
huge
parcel
of
land
between
gandy
and
and
kennedy
that
hasn't
been
developed.
So
why
are
we
going
to
put
another
development
when
we
have
two
other
developments
that
are
already
approved?
To
do
this?
It
doesn't
make
any
sense.
S
Sometimes
I
would
like
for
us
to
step
back,
listen
to
its
citizens
and
take
a
pause.
We
need
to
really
think
this.
Through
commissioner
dean
felder
is
going
to
meet
with
us
next
week
in
our
area.
I
respectfully
invite
all
the
commissioners
to
show
up,
especially
those
of
you
who
voted
in
favor
of
this
project.
S
We
assistants
have
no
had
no
idea.
This
is
going
to
be
put
forth.
It's
going
to
have
huge
ramifications
for
our
community
and
we're
just
not
interested
in
what
occurring
is
what
has
occurred
south
of
gandhi
occurring
to
us.
Now
it's
not
right
and
it's
not
the
right
footprint
and
I
would
encourage
you
to
drive
down
there
and
look
at
what's
there,
the
commercial
buildings.
There
are
mainly
two
stories
and
they're
gonna
put
huge
condos
in
it's
just
not
right.
It's
just
wrong
and
I
really
think
the
city
council
should
have
another
meeting.
S
D
Okay,
hi,
I'm
gene,
strohmeier
and
that's
kind
of
all.
We
wanted,
as
dominic
said,
is
a
pause.
We've
been
wanting
a
pause
for
now
we're
going
on
20
months.
I
believe,
but,
and
he
asked
you
know
it
doesn't
make
sense.
No,
you
can't
make
sense
out
of
nonsense.
We
all
know
that,
but
they
just
keep
trying
and
trying-
and
I
did
speak
at
the
last
one,
and
I
believe
this
is
the
correct
one,
and
you
know
this
is
going
to
change
their
entire
neighborhood.
D
It
changes
our
neighborhood
of
what's
been
going
on.
It
just
changes
who
we
are
our
identity,
our
very
essence
of
who
we
are
in
our
community
they're.
They
keep
wanting
they're,
building
micro
apartments
and
studio
apartments.
Nobody,
but
young
kids
are
going
to
live
in
those
for
the
most
part.
I
had
a
studio
apartment
when
I
was
15
years
old
and
I
moved
out
and
I've
never
moved
into
one
again.
D
I
live
in
my
home
and
then
you
want
to
have
a
home
for
your
children
and
family
to
come
and
visit
the
last
meeting.
I
recall
a
particular
person,
mr
cohen
made
some
offensive
remarks
to
our
city.
Councilman,
it
offended
him
and
it
offended
us
too.
We
heard
you
did
apologize,
but
I
would
like
to
hear
an
apology
to
us
too,
because
we
citizens
heard
it,
and
that
was
very
offensive
for
you
to
speak
like
that
in
our
chambers,
and
that's
all
I
have
to
say
thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
Q
N
G
K
Okay,
it
nope
just
went
away
okay.
Well,
while
we're
figuring
that
out,
let's
see
if
we
got
it.
K
All
right
I'll
refer
to
a
couple
things.
Hopefully
you
guys
can
look
them
up.
If
I
can't
I
can't
share
so
my
name
is
tim
mcgahey,
211,
south
manhattan
avenue,
I'm
the
president
of
the
beach
heart
homer's
association,
as
you
can
probably
tell
our
neighborhood-
includes
the
proposed
project,
and
when
I
last
spoke
to
you
about
this
project
in
february,
I
brought
up
a
number
of
issues
within
the
municipal
code
of
27-136
and
I
also
discussed
some
design
issues
that
were
unfriendly
to
the
neighborhood.
K
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
all
those
things
are
still
true,
but
I'd
like
to
use
my
limited
time
to
revisit
a
question
that
was
posited
by
councilman
dingfelder
in
february
and
by
councilman
carlson
in
april,
and
basically
I
heard
it
this
again
today,
which
I'll
paraphrase
isn't
this
better
than
500
apartments
that
was
already
approved
and
the
short
answer
is
no
councilman.
The
petitioners
have
helped.
You
create
a
false
equivalence.
K
It
is
true
that
the
council
in
2018,
approved
a
rezoning.
The
original
application
was
a
pe
to
a
pd,
with
the
only
use
as
office
professional
along
the
way
city
staff
made.
A
suggestion
had
alternate
uses
to
the
project
and,
frankly,
didn't
do
the
neighborhood
any
favors
in
the
process.
K
K
This
rezoning
actually
makes
it
clear
that
both
buildings
are
options
for
the
site,
and
so
again
I
direct
your
attention
to
page
two
of
the
staff
report
dated
february
4th,
and
you
can
see
that
you
are
being
asked
to
approve
both
options
today
with
their
myriad
of
uses.
So
a
contrast
between
what
was
approved
in
2018
versus
the
intent
of
2021
is
entirely
irrelevant.
The
applicant
has
made
clear
that
what
is
approved
matters
much
more
than
the
intention,
so
you
are
actually
deciding
whether
to
approve
all
of
these
potential
outcomes.
K
Q
B
Yes,
sir,
I'm
going
to
modify
my
remarks
because
I
did
speak
at
the
april
council's
meeting.
One
thing
I
want
to
talk
about
if
this
were
an
apartment
complex
or
to
become
an
apartment
complex
dealing
with
the
traffic,
I
think
everyone
in
beach
park
who
commutes
to
work
for
a
living
understands
the
traffic
dilemma
that
everyone
faces.
One
thing
that
I
don't
think
this
project
has
broached
is:
that
is
what
happens
to
weekend
traffic
people
who
commute
to
a
work
in
beach
park,
often
do
all
their
chores
and
and
necessary.
B
Things
on
the
weekends
and
they'll
be
competing
for
road
space
and
resources
such
as
publix
down
the
street
with
all
the
occupants
of
this
new
proposed
apartment
building,
if
it
were,
as
I
think
tim
is,
is
kind
of
intimate
if
it
were
an
office
building
granted
like
still
have
the
same
traffic
dilemma.
However,
you
wouldn't
be
competing
with
people
for
resources
and
things
to
do
on.
B
Just
wanted
to
bring
that
up
as
a
topic
and
I'm
saying
I'm
opposed
to
this
project.
Thank
you.
A
T
Hello,
my
name
is
dante,
scoreless
lindsay's,
my
wife
and
she
signed
us
up
to
speak
today.
So
thank
you
for
the
time
council
I'm
here
today
as
a
parent
who
lives
in
bpr
in
close
proximity
to
this
development
and
the
several
others
that
are
being
proposed
that
we're
going
to
discuss
over
the
next
several
months.
I
have
three
children
under
the
age
of
six.
One
of
them
with
special
need
traffic
is.
T
Thank
you
and
the
impact
of
the
increase
in
traffic
absolutely
provides
a
safety
concern
for
us
and
other
young
families
in
the
beach
park
community,
and
to
that
end
you
know
history.
History
provides
us
with
a
great
deal
of
information.
I'm
a
local
attorney
have
been
for
the
past
17
years.
I
looked
up
a
united
states
supreme
court
case
that
I
was
aware
of
regarding
a
similar
issue.
Issues
such
as
this
dealing
with
apartment
houses
being
put
in
a
quiet
neighborhood
and
our
attorney
for
the
safe
beach
park.
T
Until
finally,
the
residential
character
of
the
neighborhood
and
its
desirability
as
a
place
of
detached
residences
or
utterly
destroyed.
Under
these
circumstances,
apartment
houses,
which
in
a
different
environment,
would
not
be
unobjectionable
and
could
be
desirable,
come
very
near
to
being
a
nuisance.
And
that's
what
we're
talking
about
here
that
this
proposed
apartment
complex
regardless.
If
it's
292
units,
546
units
or
150
units,
is
an
objectionable
nuisance
to
the
character.
K
Okay,
pardon
me,
if
I
don't
kiss
mr
cohen
and
mr
mechanic
for
building
a
smaller
apartment
complex
than
they
possibly
could.
I
just
wanted
to
spread
speak
briefly
in
support
of
of
the
neighborhood
against
this
project
or
the
expansion
of
it.
As
you
all
know,
we
feel
how
we
feel
about
building
apartments
in
south
tampa.
It
has
become
ridiculous.
K
I
every
map
I
looked
at
said
this
wasn't
in
the
west
shore
transportation
corridor.
So
I'm
kind
of
confused,
because
this
is
south
tampa
and
south
tampa
is
not
supposed
to
have
growth,
but
that's
just
me.
The
land
experts
can
confirm
or
deny
that
and
the
previous
permitting
was
done
without
the
knowledge
of
beach
park,
because
this
area
is
a
city
was
not
included
in
a
neighborhood
association,
so
they
weren't
expected
to
notify
anybody,
while
absolutely
nothing
is
desired
by
those
in
the
neighborhood.
K
K
It
is
an
absolute
no-brainer
to
delineate
between
apartments
and
condos.
When
you
drive
past
the
new
development,
the
apartments
only
have
a
few
only
have
block
towers
for
elevator
shafts
and
the
rest
is
plywood
what
happens
to
plywood
in
florida,
these
folks,
who
want
to
throw
up
the
fastest
and
cheapest
buildings.
They
are
destroying
the
look
of
our
city,
no
worries
about
termites
or
hurricanes
here,
not
their
problem
they'll
make
their
money
and
run.
K
If
you
actually
stop
and
look
at
some
of
these
projects
that
have
been
approved
since
the
2016
comp
plan
was
put
in
place,
the
deterioration
on
the
outside
of
these
buildings
is
very
noticeable.
If
you,
why
do
we
continue
to
build
trash
within
our
city?
Why
do
we
keep
allowing
them
to
build
one
and
two-bedroom
apartments
rather
than
homes
for
families?
K
Why
does
the
city
over
and
over
again
give
developers
free
rides,
while
still
expecting
the
citizens
to
fill
in
the
gaps
for
these
sorts
of
projects?
We
have
no
public
safety
impact
fees,
transportation
impact
fees
haven't
been
raised
in
30
years.
The
chha
building
guidelines
fall
far
below
that
of
other
municipalities.
S
Good
afternoon,
can
you
guys
all
hear
me?
Okay,
I'm
a
little
bit
under
the
weather,
so
my
voice
cracks
a
little
bit
I'll
have
to
clear
my
voice.
I
apologize
a
little
bit
of
my
background.
I'm
at
5825
mariner
street,
I'm
also
a
practicing
architect
in
tampa.
We
have
a
small
architecture,
firm
licensed
in
the
state
of
florida
as
well
as
texas.
S
My
background
started
out
in
construction
and
from
there
I
evolved
into
architecture,
and
I
got
my
master's
degree
from
the
school
of
architecture
and
community
design.
I
here
at
university
of
south
florida
beyond
that
I've
had
studies
in
real
estate
development
at
cornell
university,
and
I
just
want
to
give
you
my
input
from
a
professional
standpoint.
S
S
My
concern
is
with
the
scale
of
the
project.
I
understand
that
from
our
standpoint
we
have
a
single
story
house
on
mariner
and
we
look
at
the.
We
look
at
the
condos
as
if
they
don't
belong
on
our
street.
Those
are
75
or
80
feet
tall,
depending
on
where
you're
getting
your
facts
from,
but
this
proposed
development
is
138
feet,
so
there's
concern
there,
obviously
about
the
scale
of
the
project.
S
The
bigger
concern
for
me
personally,
I
think
for
everybody
in
our
neighborhood,
is
that
if
this
particular
project
is
approved,
it's
going
to
be
a
snowball
effect
for
every
other
parcel
in
that
office
district
area
there,
where
they
will
all
be
torn
down.
I
would
suspect
over
the
next
10
years
and
convert
it
over
to
rental
products,
so,
whether
it's
market
rate
or
it's
higher
end
luxury,
I'm
pretty
confident.
I
get
queries
weekly
for
taking
down
existing
offices
and
converting
those
or
redeveloping
those
on
a
regular
basis.
S
We
have
even
been
requested
to
do
micro
units
in
buildings
that
are
somewhat
close
to
what
they
have
over
there,
we're
talking
350
to
450
square
foot
units.
We
try
to
stay
away
from
those
and
we
certainly
don't
do
them
if
it's
not
appropriate,
and
in
our
case
we
feel
this
is
inappropriate
and
the
biggest
concern
for
me
personally.
S
It
will
be
a
snowball
effect
and
all
those
parcels
will
be
redeveloped
as
apartments
and,
if
that's
what's
going
to
happen,
I
think
the
city
does
need
to
take
a
pause
and
look
at
what
the
impact
is
going
to
be
for
the
community.
You
guys
are
there
city
council
is
there
to
look
out
for
the
residents
the
community
and
we
are
the
residents.
This
developer
has
an
agenda
and,
let's
be
honest,
his
agenda
is
the
greatest
return
on
an
investment
for
us.
B
Others
have
spoken
about
specifics,
which
they
know
a
lot
more
than
I
do
I'm
here
to
say
that,
obviously,
once
this
decision
is
made,
it
forever
changes
kind
of
the
neighborhood,
I'm
a
29-year
resident
of
beach
park
and
a
life
lifelong
resident
of
tampa
that
forever
changes
the
character
of
the
neighborhood.
B
There's
a
series
of
these
that
are
planned
over
the
next
several
months,
different
developers,
different
interests,
et
cetera,
but
nonetheless
continuing
this
march
toward
you
know,
building
multi-family
type
of
projects
in
our
in
our
community
and
changing,
as
I
said,
the
character
forever,
and
I
think
this
city
council
members
as
fiduciaries
for
the
residents
the
citizens
etc
need
to
think
about
in
the
broader
context
of
just
this
one
unit
and
that
someone
made
the
comment
about
you
need
to
take
a
pause
perhaps
and
look
at
overall.
B
What's
the
impact
of
all
these
projects
on
traffic,
we
talked
about
potholes
there's
on.
I
guess
it
don't.
Maybe
some
spanish
main
right
now.
There's
a
big
series
of
potholes
there
they're
just
gonna,
get
worse,
traffic's
gonna
be
pushed
on
onto
a
zeal
more
and
on
cleveland.
More
and
then
you
walk
in
the
neighborhood
become
puts
you
at
physical
safety
risk
and
things
of
that
nature,
as
well
as
the
impact
on
the
school
systems.
They've
got
more.
People
means
how's
that
going
to
affect
people's
school
systems.
B
A
I
G
G
I
would
ask
council
city
council
to
hear
from
ms
wells.
I
believe
she
wants
to
address
council
relative
to
public
comment.
D
D
I
wanted
to
briefly
address
some
of
the
comments
that
were
made
during
public
comment,
as
as
some
of
the
comments
were
speculative
and
thus
would
not
constitute
confident
substantial
evidence,
but
by
no
means
am
I
going
through
every
comment,
but
just
briefly,
there
was
discussion
with
regard
to
the
type
of
of
individual
that
owns
a
condominium
or
a
home
versus
the
type
of
person
that
would
rent
an
apartment,
complex
or
an
apartment
unit
that
you
know
that
form
of
ownership,
whether
it's
it's
a
for
sale,
product
or
a
lease
product.
D
That
is
not
something
that
this
city
council
regulates
as
part
of
the
rezoning
process.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
clear.
For
the
record,
there
was
speculation
about
luxury
apartments
being
used
by
drug
dealers
and
that
drug
usage
would
increase,
and
while
that
may
have
been
the
speaker's
experience
when
he
leased
a
unit
at
sky
house
to
suggest
that
that
same
experience
would
translate
to
this
project
is
again
speculative
and
not
competent
and
substantial
evidence
also
discussion
about
pet
ownership.
D
Again,
not
something
that
comes
into
play
when
this
city
council
considers
an
application
for
rezoning
to
a
pd
site
plan.
There
was
also
discussion
about
construction
methods
and
materials,
again
not
relevant
at
this
point
in
your
review,
and
then
there
was
also
speculation
about
the
future
conversion
of
office
buildings
to
micro
units.
D
I
I
did
thank
you,
ms
wells,
for
those
clarifications
is
ryan,
so
let
us
see
how
there
is
mr
manas.
There
was
a
comment
made
about
the
staff
report
and
I
went
back
and
looked
at
at
the
staff
report.
I
There
was
an
assertion
during
during
public
comment
that
that's
that,
that's
all
that's
been
approved
is:
is
the
office
towers,
not
the
540
units
and
or
450
units
of
residential?
That
mr
cohn
was
speaking
about
earlier,
and
so
I
think
that's
an
important
question
and
that
needs
clarification
from
you
as
best
you
can.
K
Thank
you,
sir.
Yes
and
I
see
what
you're
reading
there,
it
could
have
been
a
error
on
the
staff
report
because
I
do
have
rezoning
1884
certified
site
plan
up
on
my
screen
in
the
request.
Rezone
that
is
signed
by
council
on
12
18
was
for
pd
to
pd
for
office,
business,
professional
medical
office,
hotel,
multi-family,
residential
and
also
on
page
one
of
the
staff
report.
You'll
see
the
from
to
the
two
and
it
does
state
office,
business,
professional,
medical
hotel
and
residential
multi-family.
I
And
then
my
second
part
of
my
question
is:
can
you
confirm
what
mr
cohn
said
at
the
beginning
of
his
presentation
that
currently
it's
approved,
I
think
for
546
units
maximum
and-
and
I
guess,
they're
proposing
450
or
they're
they're
saying
that
546
wasn't
really
realistic
under
the
existing
pd,
but
450
units
might
have
been
realistic
and
now
they're
suggesting
292..
Can
you
confirm
those
three
numbers.
K
Councilman
dave,
yes,
sir,
so
on
the
first
hearing,
I
believe
I
did
confirm
that
when
the
question
was
raised
originally
so
through
their
consistency,
matrix,
that's
on
the
plan,
that's
approved
for
20
1884.,
they
could
get
up
to
that
total
of
546
units.
K
What
mr
cohen
was
explaining,
I
think,
was
the
feasibility
and
the
design
and
how
much
they
can
actually
fit.
So
I
couldn't
really
comment
on
that,
but
as
far
as
the
rezoning
1884,
I
can
say
yes
through
that
consistency
matrix
and
the
allotment
that's
already
approved,
they
can
get
that
many
dwelling
units.
Okay,
thank.
L
L
Can
I
just
ask
a
follow-up
question?
One
of
the
neighborhood
leaders
said
that
if
we
approve
this
today,
we're
approving
the
new
entitlement
and
the
old
entitlement
from
2018.
L
K
Thank
you,
sir
ryan
monastic
development
coordination,
councilman
carlson.
It
is
option
one
and
option
two
and
that's
what
was
sent
over
originally,
so
it
is
to
retain
the
entitlements
that
they
have
from
18
and
then
the
option
number
two
is
showing
that
it's
a
separate
version
that
was
presented
by
mr
mechanic
and
mr
cohen.
K
L
K
E
I
think
the
applicants
will
rebuttal
correct.
Mr
shelby.
E
Q
Q
First,
I
I
would
like
to
clarify
we
we
have
a
charging
station
in
the
garage
today
and
the
plan
would
be
to
add
more
charging
stations,
as
the
new
development
occurs
on
the
property
the
building
will
be
made
out
of
concrete
will
not
be
made
out
of
wood,
although
I
certainly
respect
bizwell's
comment
that
is
not
a
legitimate
basis
or
a
rezoning
decision.
Q
Similarly,
the
characterization
of
renters
as
being
criminals
and
undesirables,
I
guess,
is
sort
of
pervades.
Q
Almost
all
the
comments
and
clearly
and
even
as
back
as
the
1925
or
26th
decision
of
euclid
versus
gambler
realty
would
not
would
not
condone
the
idea
that
you
can
prevent
a
housing
type
because
of
the
character
of
the
residents
who
will
occupy
that
housing,
and
my
goodness,
since,
since
the
city
is
one
of
the
top
priorities
of
the
city,
is
to
create
more
affordable
housing.
How
on
earth
would
you
possibly
achieve
that
goal
if
you
didn't
allow
for
rental
property?
Q
The
whole
whole
premise
of
these
objections
is,
is
really
inappropriate
and
I
think-
and
I
hope
council
will
recognize
those
comments
for
with
their
work.
I
would
note
there
have
been
several
comments
about
the
height
of
the
building.
The
proposed
height
is
nine
stories.
We
are
adjacent
to
two
eight-story
condominium
towers.
Q
Q
I
would
like
to
also
note
that
pete
park
association
was
active
back
in
2006.
18
would
have
received
the
notice
that
goes
to
associations,
we
mail,
a
notice
to
every
association
that
is
directed
by
the
city.
Q
Q
Q
Similarly,
he
claimed
that
we
failed
to
meet
our
burden
of
of
of
proof
in
regard
to
the
rezoning,
because
we
have
not
demonstrated
compliance
with
the
board
of
building
code.
Q
With
that,
I
would
just
ask
either
my
client
or
mr
cohen.
If
you
have
additional
rebuttal
points,
and
my
client
did
ask
me
to
mention-
we
are
proposing
to
have
lead
certification
for
the
proposed
multi-family.
P
This
this
is
randy
cohen.
I'll
simply
add.
There
was
comments
made
that
the
existing
building
was
virtually
empty,
that
office
building
is
94,
leased
and
occupied.
However,
we're
still
dealing
with
code
we're
still
dealing
with
folks,
not
necessarily
coming
to
the
office,
but
that
office
building
is
94
percent
leased
at
this
time.
L
Mr
mechanic,
we
we
are
often
presented
with
situations
where
the
the
community
doesn't
want
something,
but
then
the
law
and
this
competent
substantial
evidence
says
that
we
we
have
to
prove
it
anyway,
or
sometimes
we
have
difficult
choices.
Sometimes
after
we've
rejected
something.
A
developer
goes
back
to
what
they're
already
entitled
to
do
and
many
times
the
community
is
even
more
upset
with
that
option.
L
L
That
was
the
big
decision
about
housing
in
this
area
and
most
of
the
neighborhood
leaders,
who
I
know
some
of
them
and-
and
you
know
I
feel
empathy
for
them,
because
I
was
a
neighborhood
leader
too,
but
that
big
decision
was
made
in
2018.
L
If
we
have
to
look
at
that
versus
what
we
have
today,
what
you're
proposing
today
this
seems
to
be
better
for
the
neighborhood,
even
though
they
don't
want
that
either.
But
we
may
not
be
able
to
reject
that.
But
the
problem
I
have
is
now
I
maybe
I
missed
it
in
your
presentation,
but
I
didn't
understand
that
we
are
approving
two
proposals.
L
Q
Mr
carlson,
the
the
problem
is
highwoods,
which
owns
the
property
and
that,
despite
what
somebody
said,
it
has
not
been
sold
wrestling
high
woods
is
not
a
multi-family
developer.
Highwoods
is
an
office
developer,
and
so
the
agreement
between
crescent
and
highwood
involves
the
fact
that
if
this
zoning
were
approved,
crescent
will
go
forward
and
buy
the
property
and
build
the
292
unit
plan
that
we
are
presenting
to
you
today.
Q
If
there
was
between
the
time
this
property
were
to
be
known,
rezoned
assuming
council
approves
it
and
the
time
of
closing
where
crescent
would
be
obligated
to
close.
If,
for
example,
the
market
crash
in
between
those
two
dates
and
crescent
didn't
buy
the
property
for
whatever
that
reason
might
be,
I
would
does
not
want
to
be
left
with
only
the
ability
to
build
a
multi-family
building.
Mr.
Q
L
Mckinnon,
sorry,
if
I
could
just
ask
a
follow-up
and
and
then
and
then
I'll
leave
this
alone,
the
is
it
in
pardon,
my
ignorance
to
any
of
the
attorneys
listening.
But
is
it
possible
to
to
set
that
contingency
in
there
so
that
the
the
2018
one
doesn't
doesn't
go
in
perpetuity
that
we
would
just
say
that
it's
contingent
on
the
deal
or
it's
contingent
for
a
certain
part
of
time
or
something
like
that,
instead
of
instead
of
just
approving
both
going
forward.
Q
D
Thank
you,
mr
mechanic.
This
is
kate
wells
for
the
record
and
I
I
do
agree
with
mr
mechanic's
statement.
Alternatively,
when
council
looks
at
a
rezoning,
you
have
to
make
a
determination
based
upon
the
competent
substantial
evidence
of
the
record
if
they've
met
their
burden
approved
with
respect
to
the
criteria.
L
D
Here
we've
had
a
few
applications
like
this,
since,
since
I've
been
here
and
that's
about
a
year
and
a
half
now,
in
fact
brian
mentioned,
there
was
another
one
that
was
approved
today
on
second
reading.
So
council
has
done
it
with
respect
to
the
2018
approval.
D
That's
that
finding
has
already
been
made
that
was
approved
so
you're,
not
council
would
not
be
looking
at
the
2018
approval
and
making
that
finding
all
over
again
and
then,
with
respect
to
option
number
two
what's
being
proposed
is
a
density
that
is
less
than
what
was
approved
back
in
2018.
D
So
all
of
the
evidence
presented
by
mr
mechanic
and
his
team,
as
well
as
the
evidence
presented
by
ryan
manassee
city
staff,
the
planning
commission,
when
jennifer
malone,
I
believe,
spoke
at
the
very
first
hearing
in
february.
So
you
have
staff
reports
and
the
presentation
by
mr
mechanic.
The
evidence
introduced
by
his
team
in
support
of
the
application.
H
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair.
I
wanted
to
ask
mr
mckinney,
because
I
I
was
interested
in
this
that
euclid
case
that
was
cited.
I
I
was
I
was.
I
was
amazed.
I've
kept
quiet.
I
was
amazed
by
some
of
the
some
of
the
some
of
the
words
used
and
I'm
a
little
upset
what
you
said.
That
was
a
1925
case.
Did
you
say
19.
Q
H
So
when
I,
when
I
hear
that
term
parasites
that
was
that
was
cited
to
us
today
in
public
comment,
that
doesn't
surprise
me
one
bit
that
it's
from
1925
you
know
hearing,
I
I
want
to
touch
on
some
things
that
have
been
touched
on
talking
about.
You
know,
arguments
against
this,
saying
that
there's
going
to
increase
drugs,
drug
users,
drug
dealers
and
the
departments
are
parasites
disturbs
me
that
has
no
bearing
whatsoever
on
the
issues
today.
That
should
have
no
bearing.
I
know
that
everybody
agrees
on
that,
but
that's
something
that
is.
H
We
talk
about
undesirables.
That
is
something
that
is
under
desirable
in
a
land
use
case.
Go
on,
go
on
the
merits.
Go
on
the
facts,
go
on
the
things
that
you
can
rely
upon
legally,
but
to
call
into
question
the
character
of
the
people
who
will
move
in
and
their
influence
on.
The
neighborhood
is
is,
is,
is,
is
awful
and
disturbs
the
hell
out
of
me
disturbs
the
hell
out
of
me,
so
I
just
wanted
to
put
my
objections
there.
You
know
talk
about
apartments.
H
If
boy
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
traffic,
there
were,
we
were
packing
them
in
like
sardines,
that's
fine,
but
the
talk
about
the
presumptive
and
expected
and
foreseeable
character
of
people
moving
into
apartments
in
the
year.
2021
should
disturb
us
all.
I
just
if
you're
going
to
come
to
city
council
and
argue
in
a
land
use
case,
don't
make
those
kind
of
appeals,
because
I
don't
think
it's
just
not
going
to
be
well
taken.
H
H
That's
you
know
just
the
way
it
is,
but
I
just
wanted
to
just
register
my
thoughts
in
that
regard,
not
a
surprise
at
all
that
that's
a
case
from
1925.
That's
all.
Thank
you.
E
E
E
It's
just
a
strange
thing
and
we
need
to
bring
it
in
for
a
landing
because
I'm
I'm
tired
now,
so
we
need.
We
need
to
move
on.
I
Yeah,
I
don't
know
if
mr
shelby
wants
to
hear
these
comments
before
we
close
or
after
we
close
well.
G
Let
me
ask
you
this:
are
they?
Is
there
anything
that
you
need
to
ask
of
staff?
Okay,
no!
Is
there,
so
it's
going
to
be
part
of
a
deliberation.
G
Is
that
what
you're
asking
is,
because
I
guess
my
my
request
would
be
to
have
mr
mechanic
have
the
last
word
before
you
close
the
hearing
and
then
either
discuss
it
or
put
a
motion
on
the
floor
and
then
discuss
it.
However,
council
wishes
to
proceed,
but
if
there's
anything
mr
mechanic,
that
he
would
wish
to
add
now,
I
believe
would
be
the
time
before
you
close
the
hearing,
unless
you
want
to.
Unless
you
think
that
it
would
generate
discussion,
which
meant
may
then
cause
the
hearing
to
be
reopened
either
way.
I
Well
on
this,
let
me
just
let
me
just
say,
speak
to
a
couple
of
things
for
one
council,
we
hear
we
hear
cases,
you
know
how
many
cases
every
week
every
other
week,
you
know
10
15
cases
and
it's
up
to
us
to
filter
out
the.
I
As
ms
wells
said,
the
irrelevant
stuff-
and
we
all
know
you
know,
what's
relevant,
what's
what's
not
relevant
as
well
as
and
wants
to
instruct
us
in
that
for
the
record,
which
is
important,
so
I've
filtered
out
the
silly
stuff
you
know,
drug
use
and
some
of
that
other
nimby
thing
things
like
that.
That's
it's
with
all
due
respect
to
the
gentleman
who
said
it,
it's
it's
neither
here
nor
there,
but
what
is
real
in
that
neighborhood
is
is
traffic.
I
I
think
mr
miranda,
you
used
to
represent
that
district
for
many
years.
Mr
maniscalco
represents
that
district.
I
Mr
carlson
sort
of
represents
that
district,
because
everybody
thinks
that
when
you're
the
south
tampa
representative,
you
represent
everybody's
house
with
kennedy,
and
I
used
to
as
well
mr
citrus
city
wide.
So
he
represents
that
district.
So
we
all
know
that
traffic
is
a
big
concern
in
that
little
pocket.
It's
a
strange
little
pocket
over
there
at
the
corner
of
west
shore
and
and
and
kennedy.
I
Sadly
enough-
and
let
me
let
me
address
one
other
thing
that
that
I
want
to
make
abundantly
clear
to
this
neighborhood
and
everybody
who's
been
speaking,
is
that
every
single
one
of
these
rezonings
stands
on
its
own
merits
and
we
are
advised
by
that
by
legal
counsel.
I
You
know
week
in
and
week
out
that
you
know
they
said
well.
You
know
this
is
just
the
first
of
several
that
might
be
coming
down
the
pike
that
doesn't
matter
okay,
because
each
one
of
these
cases
stands
on
its
own,
and
I
am
very
sad
to
say
that
I'm
faced
with
the
hobson's
choice
that
I
have
no
choice
at
all
but
to
support
this,
and
I
said
it
at
the
very
first
hearing.
I
I
I
I
So
all
we
can
do
is
assume
that
there
was
proper
notice
and,
unfortunately,
for
whatever
reason,
if
the
neighborhood
wasn't
able
to
turn
out
back
in
2018,
I'm
sorry.
I
wasn't
here
in
2018.,
but
the
bottom
line
was
this:
this
larger
project
was
approved
in
2018
and
that's
why
that's
where
we
are
today,
there's
nothing.
I
I
I've
prided
myself
on
spending
now
in
my
third
term
supporting
neighborhood
after
neighborhood
after
neighborhood,
but
in
this
case
I
I
can't
in
good
conscience
and
I'm
sorry
for
that.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
really
appreciate
it
along
with
the
statements
that
mr
dingfelder
made
when
and
I
used
to
say
all
the
time
when
I
was
chairperson.
F
F
All
of
them
are
going
to
be
against
us
and
you
have
to
base
your
decision
on
what
you
heard
on
this
side
on
this
side
relevant
to
the
laws
that
are
applicable
in
the
time
that
you
make
a
decision.
For
instance,
one
side
said
about
construction
material.
The
other
side
said
it's
going
to
be
construction
of
concrete.
F
The
height
of
one
story
on
the
other
side
to
the
southern
part
of
this
area.
Is
a
nine
foot
condo
tower
two
excuse
me:
two,
eight
foot,
eight
story,
condo
towers
on
this
side.
They
won
a
nine
foot.
Nine
nine
story.
I
should
say
you
go
to
notice.
One
side
says
improper
notice.
The
other
side
says
all
the
notices
were
made
to
everyone
that
we
had
within
250
feet,
including
the
homeowners
association.
F
Another
one
says
the
schools
are
not
adequately
able
to
support
the
population
and
there's
letters,
and
I
think
I
read
them
saying
that
they
have
adequate
availability
space
for
what's
coming
another
one
says
the
building
codes,
because
we
don't
handle
building
codes.
That's
the
building
department
that
handles
those
building
codes,
not
us
and
on
and
on
and
on
and
on
and
on
so
they
were
all
sworn
in.
F
So
who's
telling
what
at
what
time
one
goes
back
to
1925
the
other
side
goes
back
back
to
1925..
So
it's
not
about
whether
you
want
to
vote
for
something
because
you
like
it
or
not.
It's
not
who
serves
that
district.
It's
not
who,
sir,
because
in
essence,
there
are
four
individuals
of
this
council
that
serves
that
district.
F
F
F
Does
it
meet
all
the
requirements
and
it's
difficult
to
be
a
representative
and
understand
that
that's
the
same
public
who
elected
you
to
office,
but
then
you
have
to
look
at
what
is
the
right
thing
to
do,
based
on
what
you've
heard,
not
what
you
feel
what
you've
heard,
and
you
have
some
rhetoric
that
was,
I
think,
just
said
in
haste.
That's
what
I
believe.
F
Nothing
comes
easy
for
both
sides
for
or
those
that
are
not
in
favor
of,
and
these
are
the
things
that
we
struggle
with
at
least
once
a
month
for,
like
mr
dinkville
to
sit
15
or
20
cases
or
twice
a
month,
sometimes
that
we
have,
and
it's
not,
that
we're
trying
to
be
popular
or
unpopular.
We
base
our
decisions
on
according
to
the
law
and
according
what's
applicable,
does
it
meet
the
criteria
of
what
was
proposed
and
there's?
F
F
H
I
I
find
that
the
applicant
has
met
its
burden
of
proof
to
provide
competent,
substantial
evidence
that
the
development
is
conditioned
and
shown
on
the
site
plan.
It's
consistent
with
a
comprehensive
plan
and
city
code,
and
I
find
that
the
requested.
Oh,
no,
there
are
no
waivers
and
there
you
go.
E
Miss
carlson
in
a
second,
mr,
so
you're
recognized
sir.
K
I
would
state
there
were
previous
in
the
previous
continuances
the
proposed
additional
conditions
for
the
the
water
fountain,
the
bicycle
repair
station,
the
filler
station,
the
two
bicycle
racks,
the
three
pest
or
pet,
with
waste
stations
to
include
the
modifications
that
are
required
in
the
staff
report
and
the
powerpoint
as
presented
on
the
first
here.
The
first
reading,
as
well
as
the
modifications
that
mr
mechanic
and
mr
cohen
has
stated
today
with
removing
the
waivers
as
it
relates
to
the
the
proposed
revisions
from
the
last
continuance.
G
M
H
A
H
Mr
chair,
if
I
may,
I
need
to
leave
to
pick
up
my
son.
I
wanted
to
wait
until
if
you
have
nothing
sir
you're
free
to
leave.
I
have
28
motions,
but
we'll
wait.
Q
E
You
all
right,
mr
mascara,
sir.
O
That's
a
general
comment,
since
we
discussed
the
cit
and
the
budget
and
all
that's
coming
up
the
budget.
Specifically,
you
know
we
just
have
to
focus
on
quality
of
life
and
public
safety
issues,
and
everybody
said
everything.
Councilman
bureau
talked
about
fire
rescue
and
the
lack
of
service
that's
needed.
We
talked
about
roads
and
sidewalks
and
everything-
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
you
know
specific
requests
by
council
members
when
the
time
comes
during
the
public
hearing
or
whatever
you
do
know
that
you
have
my
support.
O
You
know
we're
all
out
there
in
the
community
listening
to
what
people
want
and
it's
all
about.
You
know
the
infrastructure
investments
in
our
community
that
are
much
needed
and
if
we
have
a
little
bit
of
a
windfall
some
money
coming
in
from
from
the
federal
level
and
whatnot
invest
that
wisely.
It's
not
about
you
know,
councilman
vera
said
it
needs
and
wants.
We
have
to
focus
on
those
needs.
That's
all
I
have
to
say.
Thank
you,
sir.
Let's.
E
L
E
What's
wrong,
mr
carlsen,
I'm
saying
second,
so
mr
c
trial
in
favor
all
right
all
right,
any
post
anything
else,
sir
yeah.
L
Just
quickly
I
mentioned
the
edc
regularly
and
you
brought
it
up
just
so.
Everybody
knows
I've
been
having
a
lot
of
behind
the
scenes.
Conversations
about
this.
You
are
going
to
be
lobbied
heavily
there.
We,
you
all
approved
their
budget
two
years
ago,
almost
two
years
ago.
L
Three
thing
a
few
things
real
fast
to
mention
just
to
start
to
set
the
stage
number
one.
When
we
met
about
their
budget
a
couple
years
ago,
we
asked
them
to
have
transparency.
One
of
those
things
was
to
list
their
board
members
on
their
on
their
website.
A
few
months
later
they
redid
their
website
and
they
still
did
not
list
their
board
members
until
carol
post
came
on
the
city
and
insisted
that
they
do
it,
so
they
showed
that
they
they
flagrantly
did
not
want
to
add
transparency.
L
Second,
it's
well
known
in
the
business
community
that
that
it's
an
insider
group,
the
cities
that
are
successful,
have
open
processes,
and
we
saw
the
presentation
that
the
coneys
gave
on
st
petersburg.
Open
processes
that
are
accessible
by
everybody
are
the
ones
that
that
succeed.
If
you
talk
to
the
business
community
for
every
one
person,
that's
on
the
executive
committee,
there
are
two
or
three
very
powerful
leaders
in
the
business
community
who
want
a
different
structure.
This
structure
in
this
process
does
not
work.
L
The
edc
can
continue,
but
the
question
is
whether
the
city
should
put
500
000
and
whether
the
county
should
put
500
000.
The
next
point
is
that
their
model
is
old
school.
You
talk
about
bringing
businesses
to
east
tampa,
that's
that's
the
that's
the
model
from
the
1980s.
It's
a
gentrification
model.
It's
a
model
that
assumes
that
the
people
in
easthamp
and
other
parts
of
the
city
cannot
develop
their
own
businesses
and
build
up
their
own
infrastructure
that
somebody
from
the
outside
has
to
come
in
and
build
some
big
box
development.
L
Those
kinds
of
projects
are
coming
at
florida
like
crazy.
I'm
very
involved
in
economic
development
state
level.
Every
economic
development
group
in
the
state
is
is
bombarded
with
context.
Enterprise
florida
feeds
these
contacts
to
the
edcs,
the
edc
and
st
pete,
and
the
and
the
pinellas
one
are
kicking
tampa's
butt
and
they
would
do
it
even
more.
If
they
had
access
to
office
buildings,
they
don't
have
enough
office
space
to
hold
all
the
companies
that
want
to
move
over
there,
because
their
economic
development
process
is
different.
Ours
is
old
school
stuck
in
the
80s.
L
We
can't
keep
focusing
on
having
a
process
that
just
takes
these
leads
that
come
in
and
offering
them
subsidies
and
and
help
to
move.
We
need
to
have
a
whole
different
look
at
at
at
economic
development.
The
last
thing
I'll
say
is
you've
seen
the
numbers
everybody's
seen
the
numbers
tampa.
The
edc
is
almost
12
years
old
tampa
in
the
last
10
years.
I
can
go
back
12
years
if
you
want,
but
in
the
last
10
years,
tampa
completely
failed
at
economic
development,
completely
failed.
L
It's
on
us
now,
we've
given
two
more
years
to
see
if
the
numbers
would
change
and
they
haven't
it's
on
us
now
to
change
the
way
we
look
at
economic
development.
My
proposal,
which
I've
told
the
mayor's
office
I've
told
the
county
commissioners
is
we
need
to
set
up
like
pinellas
county
has
and
and
chief
bennett
used
to
oversee
this.
We
need
to
set
up
a
a
city
county
economic
development
staff.
Take
that
million
dollars.
We
can
still
have
a
membership
to
the
edc.
L
L
M
Mr
thank
you,
mr
chair
councilman,
citizens
of
tampa
florida
is
is
faced
with
a
new
1.1
billion
dollar
budget
and
I
just
want
to
read
off
a
few
things
that
that
really
upset
me
that
were
left
off
this
budget.
This
year,
state
of
florida
budget
for
hillsborough,
county
international
institute
of
authentic
and
prosthetic
sustainable
expansion,
feeding
tampa
bay,
hillsborough
county
school
district's
summer
bridge
program,
florida,
orca,
music,
education,
zootampa.
But
here's
the
two
that
really
fry
me.
M
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
I'm
always
asking
you
to
do
this.
Call
your
state
representatives,
call
your
state
senators
and
say
these
things
are
really
needed
now
for
something
on
lighter
news,
I
make
a
motion
to
present
the
2021
university
of
south
florida,
men's
baseball,
team
members
and
coaches
with
combinations
recognizing
their
ac.
Excuse
me:
aac
championship
victory
and
their
successful
2021
season.
This
accommodation
will
be
presented
off-site
june.
8Th
at
4
p.m.
Go
bulls!
Thank
you.
E
I
I
E
Second
receiving
second,
mr
miranda,
all
in
favor
aye.
F
I
F
Thank
you
chairman.
I
university
of
tampa
spartans
are
won
the
regional
in
pensacola,
but
I
will
not
be
making
accommodation
for
them
just
to
win
the
regional.
They
will
be
playing
starting
june,
the
5th
in
gary
indiana
for
another
world
champion
for
district
division,
two
and
the
amount
of
players
that
have
gone
there
to
do
better.
It's
really
unbelievable
and
I
want
to
thank
the
whole
coaching
staff,
especially
the
manager,
joe
erso,
and
the
pitching
and
assistant
manager
of
the
t
of
the
club,
sammy
milotello.
E
Gentlemen,
we
we
talked
about
a
lot
of
young
people
today,
athletics,
but
I
don't
recall,
is
this
counselor
recognizing
robertson,
high
school?
E
They,
I
think
they've
won
their
six
florida
high
school
activities,
association,
flag,
football
championship.
E
So
I
know
they
were
over
here
last
week
with
the
mayor,
but
we
need
this
council
needs
to
recognize
them.
Mr
dean
follow
foster
gal
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion.
Memphis
everybody.
Let's
make
a
motion
to
recognize
the
robinson
high
school
flag,
football,
tonight's
football
team
that
was
resource
office.
Mr
dean
felder
worked
as
well
accommodation
and
we'll
get
a
date
forthcoming
in
reference
to
recognize
them
all
right.
E
Earlier
we
made
a
motion
for
mr
hero
to
look
at
those
banking
institutions
and
so
forth
and
so
on,
but
we
did
not
put
a
date
with
july
29th
as
a
comeback
date
on
that.
E
Thank
you
last
one.
As
you
know,
we
just
had
memorial
day.
You
know
I.
I
was
able
to
be
the
guest
speaker
for
vfw
one
zero,
one,
four
zero,
mr
melvin
collins,
is
the
commander
over
there
and
they've
been
putting
flags
at
resthaven
cemetery
for
26
years
now.
I
was
glad
to
be
a
part
of
the
last
couple
years,
but
I
want
people
to
understand
that
there
is
other
cemeteries
that
are
doing
great
things
for
those
and
hopefully
next
year.
E
Some
of
us
can
go
out
there
and
participate
in
that
as
well,
because
they're
doing
great
works
on
that
side
of
town
as
well.
So
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
give
sergeant.
Melvin
collins
of
the
vfw
1014
vietnam
war
veteran,
who
served
our
country
honorably,
has
spent
his
time
over
26
years.
Honoring
veterans
by
placing
flags
on
the
graves
of
fallen
soldiers
on
memorial
day
later
makes
presentation
on
june
17th.