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Okay
well
good
evening
city
council
from
john
digfelder
chairman
pro
tem,
carrying
on
for
chair
goodes,
who
will
be
with
us
shortly.
Roll
call.
C
D
Yes,
thank
you
very
much,
sir
good
evening,
members
of
the
tampa
city
council
members
of
the
public,
martin
shelby,
the
city
council
attorney
this
evening,
is
thursday
may
27
2021
at
6
00
p.m,
after
6
p.m.
We're
here
at
old
city,
hall,
315,
east
kennedy,
boulevard
tonight's
quasi-judicial
another
land,
use-related
hearings,
tonight's
meeting
of
the
tampa
city
council,
is
being
held
during
the
covet
19
state
of
emergency
and
it's
being
conducted
live
with
an
in-person
quorum
present
in
city
council's
chambers.
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However,
in
response
to
the
covet
19
restrictions,
members
of
the
public
are
encouraged
to
particip
participate
virtually
through
teleconferencing
video
teleconferencing
referred
to
by
florida
statutes
and
rules
as
communications
media
technology.
These
meetings
are
held
in
accordance
with
emergency
rules
of
procedures
adopted
by
the
city
council
in
resolution
number
2020-225
and,
as
amended
by
resolution,
number
2020-490
and
resolution
number
20-20-21-241.
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The
public
is
able
to
watch,
listen
and
view
tonight's
meeting
on
spectrum
channel
640,
frontier
frontierchannel15
and
on
the
internet
at
tampa.gov
forward.
Slash
live
stream
now
there
have
been
created,
multiple
ways
for
the
public
to
participate
in
tonight's
hearings
and
those
are
available
to
be
follow.
The
instructions
on
the
city's
website
at
tampa.gov
forward
slash
quasi
q,
u
s
and
for
participating
through
communications
media
technology
from
a
remote
participation.
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If
you
do
not
have
cmt,
you
do
have
the
ability
to
participate
in
person
here
at
old
city
hall,
where,
on
the
second
floor
of
old
city
hall,
the
city
has
made
available
to
the
public
cmt
facilities.
That's
a
315
east
kennedy,
boulevard
tampa
on
the
second
floor
and
please
know
that
use
of
the
masks
and
social
distancing
inside
the
building
are
encouraged.
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Now
the
members
of
the
public
have
also
had
the
opportunity
to
send
comments
in
advance
via
email.
Those
are
available
to
the
public
to
be
read
online
in
advance
of
the
meeting
at
tampa.gov
forward,
slash
agendas.
The
information
on
how
to
communicate
is
again
available
on
the
city's
website.
Tampa.Gov
forward.
Slash
quasi
now
written
comments
received
by
mail
or
email
have
been
distributed
to
the
city
council
and
will
be
included
in
the
permanent
record
of
the
meeting.
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All
public
comments
received,
timely
by
mail,
email
or
via
cmt
will
be
afforded
equal
consideration
as
if
the
comments
were
made
in
person.
One
last
item
regarding
the
online
platform
go
to
meeting.
There
is
a
chat
box
and
I
want
to
remind
the
public
that
the
chat
box
is
only
to
be
used
for
technical
questions
or
technical
difficulties.
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Please
do
not
use
the
chat
box
to
communicate
with
anybody
regarding
the
substance
of
the
hearings
and
please
do
not
use
it
to
attempt
to
contact
or
communicate
with
members
of
the
tampa
city,
council
and
a
reminder
to
tampa
city
council.
If,
during
the
course
of
the
meeting,
you
do
have
any
communications
that
are
ex
parte,
please
disclose
them
immediately.
D
During
the
hearing
and
again
counsel,
we
might
as
well
take
this
opportunity
for
council
to
receive
and
file
any
ex
parte
communications
that
have
been
made
available
and
if
any
oral
ex
parte
communications
have
taken
place
now
would
be
a
good
time
to
disclose
it.
Other
than
the
motion
to
receive
and
file,
I
appreciate
your
time
and
I
thank
you
very
much.
B
All
right
now,
mr
chairman,
let
me
hand
over
the
the
gavel
and
I'll
make
a
note
for
the
record
that
mr
carlson
and
chairman
goods
have
arrived
and,
mr
chairman,
the
the
request
from
staff
is
that
we
move
item
three
to
be
item
one
and,
and
we
would
there'll,
be
a
motion
or
an
indication
to
continue
item
four
and
other
than
that.
The
gamble
is
yours:.
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E
Seconds:
what's
your
favorite,
mr
dean,
for
the
open
one
through
four
second
one,
mr
mascalco,
on
favorite,
all
right,
there's
consent
all
right,
we'll
move
since
item
number
three
is
scratch
to
be
out
of
number
one
we'll
proceed
with.
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D
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E
Then,
what's
wrong
with
this
dean
felder,
if
he
was
taken
by
mr
maniscalco
roll
call
voters,
you
know
calling
mr
shelby
all
right.
F
G
E
C
C
G
G
The
application
before
you
is
requesting
special
use
approval
to
allow
the
sale
of
alcoholic
beverages
for
a
small
venue,
beer
and
wine
consumption
on
premises
and
package
sales.
Off-Premises
consumption.
The
proposed
use
is
a
bar
lounge
and
retail
sales.
Baby
sales
is
two
thousand
and
twelve
square
feet
indoors,
and
one
thousand
two
hundred
square
ten
square
feet
outdoors
for
a
total
of
three
thousand
two
hundred
and
twenty
two
square
feet.
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The
site
plan
shows
pedestrian
access
to
the
site
on
north
franklin
street.
The
required
parking
for
the
site
is
21
parking
spaces
and
a
site
plan
is
shown
as
showing
zero
parking
spaces,
provided
the
applicant
has
applied
for
a
design
exception,
one
de1
21-65
for
five
off-site
parking
spaces,
but
that
request
has
not
been
approved.
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Waivers
requested
here,
section
27-132
to
reduce
the
required
distance
separation
from
250
feet
to
45
feet
from
other
av
sales
establishments,
also
section
27-283.7
to
reduce
the
required
parking
from
22
spaces
to
zero,
which
is
a
hundred
percent
reduction.
G
G
The
property
is
located
in
the
tampa
heights
urban
village.
As
stated
above
looking
here
at
the
site
plan,
you
see,
the
establishment
on
the
property
is
distinctive
in
red.
You
have
the
restrooms
over
here.
You
have
the
indoor
area
in
this
section
over
here
and
then
along
the
east
side
is
the
outdoors
area.
As
you
see
on
this
side,
planet
shown
you
have
all
the
tables
and
chairs
indoor
and
outdoor.
G
G
G
E
I
I
Very
good
well,
first
of
all
thank
you,
and
I
also
want
to
afford
my
thanks
to
the
very
kind
and
generous
folks
at
the
zoning
department
who
have
helped
us
to
this
point.
My
name
is
brian
griffin,
I'm
here
with
my
business
partners
and
friends,
not
necessarily
in
that
order.
Phil
smith
and
daniel
andresen
we're
first
time
business
entrepreneurs
in
tampa.
In
fact,
I'm
a
lifelong
tampa
resident
phil
here
has
a
very
fantastic
recipe
for
kombucha
that
he
has
been
developing
over
the
course
of
the
last
five
years,
and
I
will
give
him
an
opportunity.
I
Should
you
so
desire,
if
you're
not
familiar
with
kombucha,
for
him
to
explain
what
kombucha
is,
but
in
the
process
of
trying
to
start
our
business
and
bring
this
very
popular
beverage?
And
I
say
popular
because
out
in
the
west
coast
and
in
the
midwest,
there
are
kombucha
tap
rooms,
they're,
just
very
frequent,
and
it's
a
very
popular
beverage
there.
I
So
we'd
like
to
bring
that
to
tampa
specifically
into
the
area
where
we
found
the
business
location
that
we're
requesting
for
the
the
waivers
on
we
like
to
call
that
the
craft
beverage
area
of
tampa,
which
is
an
up-and-coming
neighborhood,
just
east
of
armature
works,
and
I
think
that
all
of
the
craft
beverage
businesses
around
there
are
going
to
really
bring
a
new
life
to
that
part
of
tampa.
We're
glad
to
be
a
part
of
that.
I
J
J
It's
commonly
talked
about
ford's
health
benefits
being
high
in
probiotics
and
rich
in
antioxidants,
but
a
lot
of
people
just
enjoy
kombucha
for
the
flavor
and
some
even
enjoy
it
as
an
alcoholic
beverage
alternative
our
tap
room
brewery
is
the
the
first
kombucha
taproom
brewery
really
in
this
part
of
the
state
of
florida
and
we're
a
very
simple
operation
from
a
consumer
perspective
and
also
from
a
business
operations
perspective
we're
very
similar
to
a
coffee
shop.
J
So
we're
very
simple:
we
don't
have
a
commercial
kitchen,
but
we
do
offer
baked
goods
such
as
muffins,
croissants
and
yeah.
We
think
being
able
to
offer
a
hard
kombucha
variety
by
blending
it
with
either
wine
sparkling
wine
or
a
special
specialty
orange
wine
would
be
a
really
unique
and
fun
thing
for
tampa
and
tampa
residents
to
enjoy.
I
I'll
just
conclude
by
saying
that
the
three
of
us
love
tampa:
we
love
the
space
that
we
found
it's
a
building,
that
is
a
historic
renovation
project
there
on
franklin
street.
The
building
does
come
all
the
way
out
pretty
much
to
the
to
the
lot
lines,
so
we
are
working
with
what
we
have
there,
which
is
why
we
have
to
ask
for
the
parking
variants.
In
light
of
the
parking
request
that
we've
made,
I
have
provided
a
memo
about
alternative
parking
options
and
public
parking.
That's
available,
it's
a
printed
memo.
I
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
gentlemen.
So
I've
got
I've,
got
your
site
plan
and
there's
photographs
that
are
included
on
the
site
plan
of
the
what
appears
to
be
the
adjacent
properties,
but
I
don't
know
of
any
of
these
photographs
of
of
the
subject
property.
G
F
K
G
B
I
What
have
you,
yes,
sir?
We
do
not
plan
on
having
any
amplified.
Music
really
doesn't
fit
with
the
with
the
space
that
we're
going
for
the
vibe
that
we're
going
for,
which
is
more
of
a
kind
of
a
coffee
shop.
With
this
extra
alternative
option
to
it
and
is
there
any?
Is
there.
I
There
is
there's
the
patio
which
is
part
of
the
unit
and
it's
accessible
in
the
back
of
the
unit,
but
that
patio
has
fixed
seating
and
tables.
It's
got
plants
and
whatnot.
So
it's
not
a
space.
That
would
be
something
that
you
might
envision
on
south
howard
or
something
like
that.
That's
a
bar,
it's
really
more
of
a
place
to
sit
and
relax
to
do
work
or
to
meet
with
a
small
group
of
friends.
I
I
There's
kind
of
four
green
panels
in
the
building
our
unit
is
the
one
on
the
very
left.
The
reason
that
the
south,
the
reason
that
the
south
picture
doesn't
readily
look
like
it's
a
picture
of
our
unit
is
because
our
unit
is
an
l
shape.
So
you
are
looking
at
the
southernmost
unit
in
the
left
part
of
that
picture,
but
on
the
right
there's
a
garage
door
with
iron
bars,
that's
the
exit
of
our
patio
space.
I
So
we
have
a
unit
in
the
middle
of
that
building.
That
goes
all
the
way
back
basically
east
and
then
proceeds
south
and
lets
out
onto
a
stell
street
there
and.
I
Our
hours
of
operation,
we
will
keep
them
consistent
with
the
chapter
14,
I
believe,
of
city
ordinances.
Right
now
they
are
10
to
5.,
and
we,
if
we
do
make
any
changes,
it
would
be
eight
two,
I
think
latest
seven
or
eight
is
what
we've
been
talking
about.
We
certainly
would
not
be
bumping
up
against
the
ordinated.
I
I
I
Yeah
we're
closed
on
mondays.
If
things
went
really
well
for
us
on
the
weekends,
we
might
consider
8
p.m,
but
we
would
not
be
open
late
and
we
certainly
would
never
approach
11
or
12
o'clock.
B
L
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair,
gentlemen.
Thank
you
very
much
for
choosing
tampa
to
to
sell
your
wares
and
to
be
entrepreneurs,
and
we
thank
you.
We
need
more
people
like
you,
please.
E
L
J
How's
it
going
yes,
so
kombucha
is
fermented,
but
it's
fermented
with
a
special
culture.
So
it's
a
yeast
and
a
bacteria
fermentation
going
on
at
the
same
time.
Essentially
it's
a
self-governing
fermentation.
J
So
while
one
while
the
yeast
fermentation
is
going
on,
the
bacterial
fermentation
is
also
fermenting.
The
byproducts
of
the
yeast
fermentation
one
of
the
byproducts
of
the
yeast
fermentation
is
ethanol,
but
as
soon
as
that's
created,
the
bacterial
fermentation
kicks
in
consumes
the
ethanol,
and
essentially
there
is
a
trace
amount
of
alcohol
left
in
kombucha.
But
it's
far
below
the
half
percent
federally
to
make
it
non-alcoholic.
L
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
and
and
the
reason
I
I
I
also
applaud
you-
we've
been
dealing
with
parking
issues,
especially
in
our
urban
downtown
core,
and
if
your
business
model,
your
business
model,
says
that
you
can
get
by
without
parking
more
power
to
you
guys
and
again.
That
is
what
my
vision
for
downtown
tampa
is
to
be
walkable
for
neighborhoods,
for
people
to
be
able
to
just
walk
out
of
their
house
and
go
get
a
freshman
or
dinner
or
something
so
I
applaud
you
on
that.
Now
comes
my
question.
L
What
we
do
this
evening
will
ride
with
the
property
you
find
out.
Your
business
model
doesn't
work.
You
sell
to
somebody
else.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
safeguarding
that
something
like
that
doesn't
happen.
I'm
getting
more
and
more
complaints
from
people
in
tampa
heights
riverside
heights,
around
armature
works
where
some
of
these
restaurants
and
bar
now
have
turned
into,
shall
we
say
many
raves
on
thursday
nights
until
three
o'clock
in
the
morning.
L
So
I
I'll,
although
I
wish
you
success.
I
want
you
to
know
that
I
have
some
judgments
on
this
because
I
don't
want
you
to
fail,
but
because
you're
selling,
with
with
with
your
off-premises
alcohol
sales
that
you'll
be
getting
you're
selling
your
products
only
you're,
not
selling
other
people's
wines
and
beers,
let
me
get
that
one
straight.
Go.
L
If
that
was
if
that
was
a
request
by
this
city
council,
would
you
be
agreeable
to
that.
F
You
recognized,
I
read
all
your
parking
statistics
and
you're
from
point
a
to
point
b,
one
three
point:
three
eighths
of
a
mile
and
so
forth:
seven
minute
walk
and
you
go
to
different
areas.
The
problem
with
this
is
that
today
is
something
that
very
little
auto
or
traffic
parking
lots
are,
are
more
abundant
than
there
are
cars,
but
tomorrow
what's
happened
in
different
areas
like
one
on
magdale
avenue
and
one
on
howard
avenue.
F
L
F
You
were
there
with
your
horse.
I
saw
you
there
and
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is
that
parking
will
become
very,
very
scarce
in
those
areas
in
a
very
short
time,
so
development
around
there
is
starting
to
move
like
it
moved
in
other
parts
of
downtown
and
I'm
just
afraid
that
the
parking
area
will
not
sustain
in
the
near
future.
The
development
is
coming.
M
Can
can
you
hear
me
good,
I'm
good?
Okay,
I'm
sorry!
I
just
want
some
clarification
just
to
be
sure
and
not
to
discredit
what
councilman
sitro
is
asking
for
on
the
site
plan,
but
I
think
we
may
have
some
issues
regulating
that
to
their
own
product
and
susan
johnson
bled.
I
see
her
hand
up,
so
she
may
want
to
comment
on
that
as
well.
M
But
before
I
turn
over,
I
just
want
to
get
two
more
points
across.
I
did
hear
no
outdoor
amplified
sound
being
requested
by
councilman
dean
felder,
as
well
as
closing
11
pm
seven
days
a
week.
Is
everybody
on
the
same
page
with
that
as
staff
annotates,
that
for
corrections,
if
this
is
approved
between
first
and
second
reading,.
M
H
Susan
johnson
velez
senior
assistant
city
attorney,
yes,
councilman,
citro
that
you're
not
able
to
regulate
the
product
or
or
specify
that
it
only
be
their
specific
product.
Should
you
approve
alcoholic
beverage
sales
for
for
beer
and
wine
at
this
location.
L
I
I
again
miss
johnsonville,
it
was
a
shot
in
the
dark
and
I
thought
I
would
try
again.
I
hope
these
these
gentlemen's
business
plan
works
for
them
again.
My
fear
is,
this
turns
into
a
package
sales
store
that
is
selling
beer
and
wine
and
people
like
to
hang
out
there,
and
I
I'm
not
again,
I'm
I
I'm
hoping
their
business
plan
works
for
them.
Thank
you.
Miss
johnsonville's,
you're,
welcome,
hey
another.
B
B
If
they
were
coming
in
there,
they
wouldn't
have
a
parking
requirement.
Would
they
because
seems
like
you
know
all
these
little
thousand
square
foot?
You
know
shops
and
what
have
you
they
don't
have
their
own
parking.
Do
they.
M
It
would
be
limited
yes,
councilman
ryan
manassee,
for
the
record
downtown,
as
you
know,
is
a
little
different
as
far
as
parking
requirements.
For
instance,
restaurants,
don't
require
parking.
This
is
not
considered
a
restaurant
more
of
a
proposed
use,
even
though
they're
a
coffee
shop.
We
have
to
time
to
some
type
of
alcohol
use,
which
would
be
more
like
a
bar
lounge
and
I
believe
in
downtown
bar
lounge
is
like
a
thousand
square
feet.
Purse
parking
spaces
or
something
limited
to
that.
So
to
answer
your
question:
councilman
dean
filter!
M
Yes,
you
are
correct,
it
is,
it
is
limp,
more
limited
than
other
parts
of
the
city
and
as
well.
I
can
make
a
one
other
point:
is
some
bars
can
be
processed
administratively
downtown
if
there's
if
they
don't
exceed
a
certain
amount
per
block,
so
there's
an
administrative
process
for
some
of
these
alcohol
establishments
for
downtown.
So
it
is
a
little
different.
Just
south
of
the
interstate.
B
Yeah,
I
would
just
just
for
discussion
purposes
not
to
belabor
it,
but
you
know
this
is
a
significant
reduction
in
parking
from
22
spaces
to
zero,
which,
frankly,
if
it
was
in
you
know,
virtually
any
other.
More
suburban
area
of
the
city
would
be
very
alarming
and
probably
nothing
that
we'd
consider.
B
F
Well,
I
was
going
to
say
I
remember
a
walkahood
furniture
store
out
there
right
there
in
that
corner,
but
this
is
a
two
cop
which
means
that
it's
beer
and
wine
and
they
can
do
all
they
want
and
the
hours
have
been
defined,
kombucha's
one
aspect
of
it
and
and
the
the
arrest
is
so
you
don't
have
no
sales
of
nothing
else,
other
than
kombucha
beer
and
wine
right.
C
Yes,
sir,
just
a
a
historical
perspective,
the
streetcar
went
up
franklin
street
and
palm
avenue
back
in
the
day,
so
that
area
you
know
before
the
interstate
was
all
part
of
the
downtown
area
going
into
tampa
heights
and
we
didn't
have
the
automobile
ownership
when
all
that
was
laid
out,
so
folks
relied
on
the
streetcar.
They
lived
there
and
they
walked
there.
Today,
people
live
nearby,
we
see
the
new
construction,
we
see,
armature
works,
we
see
the
riverwalk.
C
C
You
know
the
clientele
base
for
a
business
like
this,
I
assume,
would
be
walking
from
armature
works
or
taking
the
riverwalk
or
walking
up
franklin
street.
Maybe
they
live
in
apartments
downtown
whatever
it
is,
but
it's
more
of
a
walkable
area
not
that
we
are
a
very
safe
pedestrian
area,
but
still
there's
different
options
instead
of
just
taking
a
car.
Another
question
for
the
applicant-
and
this
will
not
affect
how
I
vote.
But
what
is
the
carb
count
on
kombucha?
Is
it
a
keto
friendly
thing
or
no.
J
So
technically
it
is
not
keto
friendly.
There
is
sugar
residual
sugar
still
in
kombucha
a
typical
serving
of
kombucha
call
it
12
ounces
would
range
between
35
and
50
calories
and
about
8
grams
of
sugar.
J
L
Mr
chair,
we
do.
We
now
have
scooter
guido
to
ride
along
with
scooter
joe
scooter
guido's
too
cheap
to
pay
for
the
scooter.
So
super
guido.
B
H
Yes,
sir,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
susan
johnsonville
senior
assistant
city
attorney
council
members.
I
just
wanted
to
remind
you-
and
I
know
that
you're
asking
the
applicant
a
lot
of
questions
about
their
particular
operations.
But
did
you
approve
this
this
evening?
H
You
are
approving
beer
and
wine
sales
for
on-premises
consumption
and
off-premises
package
sales,
regardless
of
who
the
operator
is
at
this
location,
and
so,
while
I
know
that
you
have
a
specific
applicant
with
a
specific
business
model
in
front
of
you,
you
should
you
know,
consider
whether
the
criteria
are
meant
to
have
this
particular
use
at
this
location
without
without
respect
to
the
specific
operator.
Mr
chairman,
thank.
E
B
So-
and
I
appreciate
that
reminder-
miss
johnsonville
so
in
that
regard,
mr
bryant,
what
is
the
component?
What
you
described
was
coffee
shop,
chill
all
that
stuff.
What
is
the
need
or
or
the
desire
associated
with
off
sales
off-premises.
I
So
we
have
our
kombucha
available
on
site
in
a
tap
room,
which
is
very
which
is
new
for
tampa,
which
is
the
first
of
its
kind.
We
also
offer
our
kombucha
to
go
in
glass
growlers,
which
is
the
most
popular
way
that
people
like
to
buy
kombucha
they
like
to
take
it
home,
keep
it
in
their
fridge,
have
one
in
the
morning
when
they
wake
up
or
one
when
they
get
home
from
the
beach.
I
So
we
want
to
be
able
to
have
the
same
growlers
be
filled
up
with
the
hard
kombucha
variety
for
them
to
take
home,
put
in
their
fridge
and
enjoy
throughout
the
week.
That's
where
the
package
sales
comes
from,
and
so
I
would
also
if
I
may
continue
about
this
area
and
the
concerns
that
I
think
are
quite
valid.
I
You
know
what
what
happens
after
us,
so
we
love
the
space
and
we
want
to
stay
as
long
as
possible,
but
there's
something
really
interesting
going
on
on
this
particular
block,
and
I
want
to
paint
a
picture
for
you.
I
applaud
the
council
on
doing
such
a
fantastic
job
at
creating
and
promoting
the
armature
works
area
and
the
riverwalk,
so
just
our
block
just
a
few
blocks
east
of
that
a
short
walk
is
really
becoming
it's
getting
its
own
life
as
this
craft
beverage
block.
I
Now
that
doesn't
mean
an
alcoholic
craft
beverage
block,
but
we
do
have
two
homemade.
We've
got
two
beer
breweries.
We've
got
the
meadery,
which
is
an
interesting
and
unique
drink
in
itself,
and
we've
got
kombucha
and
what's
happening.
There
are
people
are
people
that
are
health,
conscious
and
people
that
are
looking
for
daytime
activities,
places
to
work
and
places
to
spend
you
know.
I
Sunshine
hours
on
the
weekend
are
coming
there
to
try
the
variety
of
different
craft
beverages
and
it's
because
it's
getting
a
life
and
a
name
of
its
own,
and
I
think
this
could
really
become
a
unique
extension
of
the
project.
That's
been
started
at
armature
works
and
with
the
riverwalk.
This
is
a
very
tampa
specific
thing.
I
I
don't
know
of
any
other
block,
maybe
in
the
country
where
you
can
get
craft
beer,
craft,
kombucha
and
craft
mead
within
a
few
steps
of
one
another,
and
I
think
that's
what's
going
to
happen
to
this
area
in
the
near
and
distant
future.
I
think
it's
really
going
to
become
something
that
is
uniquely
tampa.
I
So
I
think
this
precedent
here,
even
with
the
alcohol
sales,
because
those
other
sites
do
have
alcohol
sales,
we'll
lend
towards
what's
been
happening
even
before
us
and
will
probably
happen
after
us,
which
is
this
is
going
to
become
a
day
time
place
to
work,
to
go
on
the
weekends,
to
walk
for
city
markets
and
pop-ups
to
happen.
It
doesn't.
I
do
not
anticipate
this
and
and
the
business
models
of
ours
and
those
around
us
are
not
ones
that
lend
to
nighttime
bars
loud
amplified,
music
or
the
concerns
that
you
very
validly
raise.
E
Okay
else,
can
we
we
have
anybody
on
the
second
floor
for
this
item.
C
B
F
To
the
chairman
many
years
ago,
a
lot
many
many
years
ago
had
a
friend
they
lived
in
21st
street
and
ybor
city.
The
name
of
the
street
was
igor
and
21st,
and
her
grandmother's
name
was
kombucha,
and
when
I
saw
this
here,
I
I
told
myself
wow.
She
became
famous
65
years
later.
E
I
believe
we
had
a
much
by
mr
dean,
fellow
second
by
mr
miranda
home
favorite,
all
right.
E
F
Item
number
three
file
number
a
b221-11
or
is
being
presented
for
first
reading,
consideration
an
owner's
approving
a
special
use,
permit
su-2
for
alcohol
beverage
sales,
small
venue,
consumption
on
premise
and
package
sales,
off-premise
consumption
and
making
law
for
the
sale
of
beer
and
wine
at
or
from
the
certain
lot
plot
or
track
of
land
located
at
1601.
North
franklin
street
suite
1607
tampa
florida,
more
particularly
described
as
section
2,
providing
that
all
ordinances
or
parts
of
ordinances
and
conflict
are
repealed,
providing
an
effective
date.
F
C
L
C
D
C
E
N
N
N
Earlier
today,
council
was
provided
with
a
copy
of
the
hearing
procedures
for
today's
review,
as
well
as
sample
motions.
In
addition,
you
have
been
provided
with
the
copy
of
the
review
criteria
in
section
27-60,
subsection
e5
for
purposes
of
tonight's
hearing
city
council
applies
a
de
novo
standard
of
review.
Your
decision
is
not
limited
to
the
record
created
by
the
zoning
administrator.
N
Instead,
you
can
take
public
testimony,
accept
new
evidence
and
make
a
decision
based
upon
the
application
meeting.
The
criteria
in
section
27-60,
subsection,
e5
eric
cotton
will
provide
an
overview
of
the
relief
requested
in
the
application,
the
basis
for
the
city's
decision
and
a
summary
of
his
analysis
on
whether
the
carport
is
an
extension
of
the
primary
structure.
O
Good
evening,
council,
I'm
going
to
do
a
quick
brief
summer
review
of
the
slideshow
that
was
presented
back
in
february
just
to
bring
everybody
back
up
to
date,
because
it
has
been
a
while
then
I'll,
explain
my
determination
regarding
the
accessory
versus
primary
structure,
determination
that
I
made
if
I
may,
share
my
screen.
Thank
you.
O
You
see
the
presentation
at
this
point,
so
this
is
a
a
petition
for
review
for
de120-66.
The
petitioner
is
joe
murphy
for
property
of
6915
boulevard.
The
mr
murphy
is
requesting
a
determination
to
reduce
the
required
setbacks
for
an
accessory
structure.
O
The
applicant's
request
was
to
reduce
the
front
yard
from
60
feet
down
to
24.7
feet
in
the
front
building
separation
from
five
feet
to
one
foot
on
the
excuse
me
from
five
feet
to
one
foot
in
building
separation,
eve
to
eave
separation
from
three
feet
to
zero
feet,
and
this
is
the
properties
at
the
end
of
a
dead-end
street.
This
is
sly
avenue.
This
is
river
boulevard,
the
street
that
ends
between
this
between
the
two
property
owners
that
are
before
you
tonight.
O
This
is
a
serp.
This
is
a
the
site
plan
from
the
applicant
or
the
petitioner.
Excuse
me,
this
is
showing
the
accessory
structure
where
it's
located,
and
this
is
just
a
picture
from
the
street
this
has
now
been
removed.
I
believe
grass
has
been
restored
back
to
where
the
mulch's
mulch
is
on
this
property.
This
is
just
another
picture
of
the
property.
O
It's
used
being
used
as
a
patio
for
outdoor
entertainment
and
such
and
that
concludes
the
slideshow.
Now,
at
the
last
hearing,
there
was
a
question
brought
up
between
whether
or
not
this
is
an
accessory
structure
or
part
of
the
primary
structure.
I
did
speak
to
mr
murphy
about
this
yesterday.
I
did
issue
a
zoning
interpretation.
O
Roughly
about
a
month
ago,
mr
murphy
had
his
head
attached
the
structure
or
was
proposing
to
attach
the
structure
against
the
wall
with
some
hurricane
bolts
or
hurricane
ties
to
try
to
create
one
structure.
O
Historically
accessory
structures
are
accessory
structures,
primary
structures
or
primary
structures.
The
attachment
that
was
proposed
and
not
make
it
and
accept
did
not
make
it
part
of
the
primary
structure,
primarily
due
to
the
fact
that
it
needs
to
share
a
roof.
It
needs
to
share
something
beyond
just
two
two
bolts
next
to
one
another,
so
the
interpretation
is
that
it's
still
an
accessory
structure,
the
connection
of
just
a
just
a
bolt
or
such
does
not
make
it
part
of
the
primary
structure.
O
Mr
murphy
understands
that
he's
moving
forward
tonight
to
request
what
was
originally
requested
through
the
design
exception,
which
was
primarily
denied,
as
that
is
it's
a
very
large
increase.
First
for
a
process,
that's
supposed
to
be
a
minimal
request,
and
if
you
have
any
questions
for
me
regarding
the
determination,
I'm
more
than
happy
to
answer
them.
O
My
sorry,
yes,
sir,
so
was
it
specifically
for
this
property.
It
was
for
accessory
dwelling
units
and
principal
drawing
and
prince.
Excuse
me
accessory
structures
and
principle
structures
throughout
the
city
and
the
determination
that
would
be
made.
The
concern
would
be
if
we
called
if
we
used
any
kind
of
attachment
as
making
it
a
primary
structure,
then
every
structure,
that's
every
detached
structure.
That's
attached
with
a
breezeway
is
now
part
of
a
primary
structure,
so
that
was
how
I
was
approaching
the
request.
O
O
E
All
right
there's
a
cotton.
I
guess
we'll
hear
from
the
the
app.
C
K
K
And
mr
murphy
is
in
attendance
at
city
council,
I'd
like
to
get
him
sworn
in
as
well,
because
he's
going
to
speak
immediately
following
my
little
piece
here.
K
This
should
show
the
city
of
tampa
a
civil
reference.
C
K
Let's
try
that
one
that
looks
better
all
right,
so
this
case
a
brief
background,
because
this
is
a
little
convoluted
and
council
has
gone
through
this
a
number
of
times
and
not
gotten
to
hear
it.
So
I
just
want
to
back
up
a
little
bit.
This
case
originated
october
of
2019,
an
application
for
a
variance
through
the
variance
review
board
process.
K
The
variance
was
zero
zero
one
after
multiple
continuouses,
as
I
understand
it,
for
my
client
due
to
lack
quorum
for
a
vote
staff
city
staff,
moved
it
to
the
design
exception
process,
at
which
time
the
original
request
was
segmented
into
two
de1
requests.
One
is
de
1-20-66
regarding
the
accessory
structure
issue
and
the
other
is
de-1-20-148
dealing
with
the
encroachment
which
is
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
into
the
25-foot
wetland
setback
so
really
tonight.
K
I
think
we've
got
three
issues
to
address
first
debate
about
city
procedures
for
mr
gonzalez
and
his
attorney
with
regards
to
the
move
for
the
brv
process,
the
design
exception
process
and
I'd
refer
to
the
city
legal
council
to
address
that
issue.
Second,
we've
got
an
encroachment
reduction
request
for
de1
dash
20-148
from
25
foot,
7
foot,
which
is
the
next
item,
the
concrete
slabs,
which
I
will
talk
about
as
we
get
to
the
next
type.
K
Third,
we've
got
an
accessory
structure,
design,
exception
issue,
20-66
related
the
accessory
structure,
dealing
with
more
or
less
the
same
setback
issues
because
that's
part
of
the
determination
not
to
mention
what
eric
discussed.
Mr
cotton
discussed
about
the
attached
structure,
not
attached,
structure
etcetera.
K
So,
as
you
may
know,
from
the
slide
that
I've
got
up,
the
building,
19,
building
permitting
1904
68681
permitting
process
has
been
reopened
and
as
eric
mr
cotton
relayed,
the
city
code
enforcement
and
zoning
staff
have
been
in
discussions
about
the
accessory
structure
attached,
not
attached
primary
setbacks,
accessories
setbacks
all
those
issues.
K
However,
my
client
relayed
to
me,
which
I
will
let
him
discuss,
that
there
was
some
discussion
recently
in
the
last
day
or
day
and
a
half,
which
is
why
I
did
not
ask
for
continues
prior
to
this,
that
there
was
some
denial.
The
denial
was
based
on
a
hardship
which
he
was
told
by
staff
and
I'm
not
speaking
to
it.
K
He
was
told
by
staff
that
the
the
hardship
was
not
a
criteria
for
design
exception,
so
there's
additional
discussions,
as
mr
cotton
already
covered
about
whether
it's
attached
or
not,
but
I
wanted
to
give
my
client
an
opportunity
to
really
relay
the
conversations
he
had
and
potentially
go
back
and
look
at,
not
necessarily
the
attachment
setback
piece,
but
the
actual
denial
of
the
design
exception
based
on
a
hardship
criteria.
P
P
P
in
the
the
letter
itself,
the
denial
it
did
mention
that
it
was
basically
denied
because
of
hardship
and
hardship
is
not
obviously
not
one
of
the
criteria
for
determining
whether
adi
will
be
accepted
and
approved
or
not.
Secondly,
we
did
have
a.
I
did
have
a
discussion
with
mr
cotton
a
couple
days
ago,
and
we
also
discussed
that
we
could
basically
change
the
design
so
that
it
would
be
potentially
approved
by
construction
services.
However,
you
know
zoning
is
not.
He
said.
P
Secondly,
the
attachment
that
has
been
bounced
around
is
is
not
a
hurricane
attachment.
It's
actually
a
a
design.
That
is
from
an
engineer.
It
is
structural
in
nature.
It's
using
construction,
structural
tools,
sorry
screws,
which
are
tap
cons
that
are
structural
in
nature
because
of
their
size
and
depth
that
it
goes
into
the
cmu
wall.
It's
using
a
three
by
four
inch,
rectangular
steel
tubing,
that
is
structural
in
nature
and
the
wings
or
the
attachments
that
the
screws
and
everything
goes
through
and
attaches
is
also
structural
in
nature.
P
These
are
things
that
we
need
to
discuss
further
with
mr
cotton
over
there,
but
also
with
a
new
design
that
would
be
approved
as
a
making
the
structure
a
deep,
a
an
attached
structure.
So
again,
I'm
asking
that
we
afford
a
continuance
of
this
until
at
least
60
days
so
that
I
can
get
in
and
meet
with.
Mr
cotton
and
the
engineers
at
the
city
in.
B
I
just
said
a
question
for
legal
you'll
recognize
jim
stinkville.
Thank
you.
Miss
johnsonville
go
put
that
back
up.
Whoever
had
it
up
if
that's
possible,
that
yellow
highlight.
B
Thank
you
so
here's
the
letter
he
received
july,
7th
2020
from
the
city,
denying
the
the
administrative
request
yeah
and
it
does
use
the
word
hardship
which,
which
I
would
agree,
I
I
mean-
and
I
guess
I'll
ask
you,
susan,
that's
not
the
appropriate
wording
for
you
know
for
this
application,
because
it's
not
the
vrb,
it's
it's
design
exception.
B
N
So
kate,
wells,
chief
assistant
city
attorney
I'll,
be
responding
to
that
question.
Since
this
item
is
before
city
council,
as
a
de
novo
review,
you
are
standing
basically
in
the
position
of
the
senate
administrator
and
can
review
the
application
on
its
merits
and
apply
the
criteria
in
27-60,
subsection,
e5
and
yes,
you're.
Correct.
There's
no
discussion
in
this
section
with
regard
to
a
hardship.
So
notwithstanding
the
letter
that
was
issued
by
staff
because
you're
not
limited
to
the
record
created
by
staff,
staff's
decision
is
not
binding
upon
you.
N
City
council
would
review
this
as
if
you're
seeing
it
for
the
first
time,
and
if
I
may,
I
wanted
to
take
a
moment
just
to
clarify
the
record.
Mr
brickelmeyer
mentioned
that
this
item
started
out
as
a
variance
application
before
the
variance
review
board,
and
that
is
correct,
but
it
was
not
continued
a
number
of
times
for
a
lack
of
a
quorum.
N
It
was
continued
quite
a
few
times
because
the
vote
was
consistently
three
to
one
and
the
code
at
the
time
in
order
to
get
a
variance
approved
by
the
vrb
required.
A
vote
of
four
members
present.
So
a
quorum
was
present
each
time
there
just
wasn't
a
prevailing
vote,
either
for
an
approval
or
a
denial,
and
with
the
number
of
times
this
had
been
considered
by
the
vrb
with
the
same
outcome,
I
did
speak
with
mr
murphy
that
he
had
the
opportunity,
if
he
so
desired,
to
convert
the
application
to
a
design
exception.
N
It's
consistent
with
the
language
in
the
code
for
the
seminal
heights
overlay
district
and
it
was
it
was
mr
murphy's
choice
to
convert
it,
so
it
wasn't
impressed
upon
him
or
suggested
that
it
was
to
his
benefit.
It
was
just
if
he
wanted
conclusion
to
the
issue
rather
than
the
ongoing
lack
of
a
prevailing
vote
by
the
vrb.
That
was
an
option
available
to
him,
so
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
the
record
on
that
note.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
B
E
We
have
anybody
on
the
second
floor
regarding
this.
Anybody
registered
regardless.
D
N
C
E
Right,
mr
mr,
mr
murphy,
you're
asking.
P
I'm
asking
for
a
continuance,
that's
correct,
and
I
just
I
do
want
to
address
the
the
vrb
issue
we
did
have
a
quorum.
However,
there
was
one
seat
that
they're
still
they
were
trying
to
fill
and
I
think
it
is
still
vacant
and
there
were
obviously
two
members
who
had
to
recuse
themselves
because
of
the
relationships
with
the
various
people
or
associations
with
associate
in
the
area
with
south
with
seminole
heights.
P
P
So,
given
that
and
the
way
the
the
de
ended
up
falling
out,
it
was
kind
of
the
impression
that,
when
it
came
over
to
the
de
it
was
going
to
be,
favorable
would
probably
be
favorable
and
then,
of
course
we
got
the
determination
that
no
there's
this
the
easement
is
too
much,
and
I
you
know
to
me,
you
know
I
think,
that's
where
the
de
comes
in
that
they
they
should.
P
That's
the
decision
that
they
should
be
able
to
make
without
saying:
oh,
it's
just
too
confining
or
whatever,
but
regardless
that's
the
reason
why
I
went
from
the
vrb
to
the
de
process.
Okay,.
O
Won't
mr
chair,
while
we're
waiting
for
the
for
the
mr
gonzalez
gonzalez
and
mr
racato
to
come
on,
I
want
to
clarify
that
the
construction
service
center
will
not
be
open
on
june
6..
K
And
while
the
other
speaker's
coming
up,
I've
got
a
question:
did
we
get
the
question
answered
and
again
I'm
not
necessarily
participating,
I'm
just
unclear
as
to
whether
that
letter.
The
question
was
asked
by
one
of
the
council
members
that,
whether
that
letter
with
the
hardship,
reasoning
for
the
denial
was
that
a
challenge
or
not,
I'm
not
sure.
I
understood
the
answer
on
mr
murphy's
behalf.
N
Kate
wells,
chief
assistant
city
attorney,
my
response
to
that
was
since
city
council
will
review
this
matter.
It's
a
de
novo
hearing
and
they
apply
the
same
criteria
that
staff
is
required
to
apply
that
that
letter
is,
is
not
a
would
not
preclude
council
from
moving
forward
today.
They
understand
what
staff's
reasoning
was.
Council
has
also
been
provided
with
a
copy
of
the
review
criteria
and
based
upon
the
record
of
today's
hearing
city
council,
will
make
an
independent
decision
on
whether
or
not
the
application
should
be
approved
very
well.
Thank
you.
E
Q
Q
It's
the
matter
of
hardship
is
not
the
point.
The
letter
goes
on,
yes,
the
word
hardship
is
is
in
the
letter
and
but
they
also
that's
not
the
only
point
that
the
decision
was
adjudicated
upon.
You
know
staff
made
this
decision
based
on
the
fact
that
the
encroachment
was
excessive
and
and
if
you
look
at
their
materials,
you
know
from
the
original
decision.
You
know
this
is
not.
They
say
it
is
not
a
minor
encroachment
in
the
original
staff
memo
from
the
25th.
Q
In
other
words,
the
determination
was
made
on
the
factors
in
section
2760..
It
was
not
just.
Was
it
a
hardship
or
wasn't
a
hardship?
You
have
shown
no
hardship.
Therefore,
you
don't
get.
This
2760
was
cited
in
the
letter
on
page
two
and
just
so
we're
clear
for
the
record.
A
revised
letter
was
issued
august,
5th,
2020,
so
the
july
7th
there
was
a
revised
letter
issued
on
august
5th.
Q
So
I
just
I
want
us
to
use
the
right
letter
if
we're
going
to
use
a
letter
and
we're
going
to
get
jammed
with
another
continuance.
After
being,
you
know
three
months,
then
at
least
let's
use
the
correct
letter.
I
think
that
the
correct
letter
is
august
5th,
but
they
reviewed
the
application
under
the
2760
alternative
design
guidelines,
which
mr
murphy
requested
he
requested
to
be
in
this
situation.
Q
The
fact
that
the
word
hardship
was
used
should
not
excuse
him
now
when
he
did
not
could
not
bring
any
evidence
for
nailing
a
carport
to
a
house
and
somehow
making
it
a
primary
structure
which
staff
has
stated.
It
is
not
he's
now
looking
for
an
injection
seat
to
try
to
get
out
of
this,
because
it's
he's
trying
to
you're
going
to
set
a
terrible
precedent
by
continuing
this
and
continuing
this
people
are
going
to
look
at
this
and
go.
Q
You
know
what
I
can
nail:
a
carport,
a
home
depot
carport
to
a
house
and
just
drag
the
city
along
with
me,
and
I
don't
ever
have
to
get
the
proper
permits.
I've
got
correspondence
from
the
city
construction
services
department
saying
that
a
permit
was
never
issued.
In
this
case.
I
could
put
that
in
front
of.
B
Issue
now
more
more,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
mr
mcateer,
so
you're
getting
into
the
merits
and
the
substance
of
the
argument.
First,
we
need
to
decide
if
we're
going
to
do
a
six-day,
continuous
or
not.
So
if
you
can
limit
yourself
to
that,
I'm
sure,
mr
chairman,
would
be
greatly
appreciative.
All.
Q
Right
I'll
limit
myself
to
that
I've,
I've
said
that
the
decision
to
continue
this
case
to
hear
this
case
to
put
this
case
in
this
format,
was
mr
murphy's.
He
advocated
for
the
continuance
to
this
date
from
february.
We
are
here
now
all
of
the
facts.
This
has
been
raked
over
with
a
fine
tooth
comb.
There
is
nothing
left
to
discover
or
to
to
determine
about
what's
going
on
on
this
piece
of
property,
it
is
a
carport
next
to
a
house.
Next
to
a
creek,
we've
got
setback,
encroachment
issues
and
we've
got.
Q
E
B
E
E
Mr
shelby,
I
don't
think
we
rebutt
on
it.
Do
we,
I
think
we're
pretty
much
gonna
need
to
move
forward
correct.
Thank.
D
You
that's
correct,
and
I,
if
I
can,
I
don't
know
whether
it's
appropriate
to
inquire.
But
what
effect
would
this
continuance
have
on
the
other
item?
That
is
related,
and
I
don't
know
whether
ms
wells
wants
to
raise
that
issue
at
this
hearing
or
just
take
it
as
it
comes,
but
I
think
the
question
they.
N
I
would
submit
that
it
would
be
up
to
the
petitioner
with
respect
to
item
number
two
on
whether
or
not
they
want
to
continue
or
if
they
want
to
move
forward
with
with
the
hearing
this
evening,
when
this
item,
when
item
number
one
was
continued
on
february
25th,
mr
gonzalez
initially
wanted
to
move
forward
with
his
petition
for
review
and
halfway
through
my
presentation,
requested
a
continuance.
So
that
is
that
is
for
mr
gonzalez
and
his
council
to
decide
how
they
would
like
to
proceed.
P
Well,
I
also
like
to
bring
up
the
fact
that
the
only
reason
why
these
two
cases
are
related
is
the
fact
that
it's
joe
murphy
and
it's
the
same
property
at
6915,
north
river
boulevard,
they're,
two
independent
de's,
so
one
doesn't
affect
the
other.
But
the
thing
is:
is
that
the
66,
because
of
the
denial
because
of
hardship?
I
think
that's
one
issue
and
then.
P
Secondly,
the
conversation
that
I
had
with
mr
cotton,
the
other
day
saying
that
we
could
meet
or
we
could
discuss
it
further
and
to
come
up
with
some
type
of
alternative
design.
That
would
indeed
then
meet
the
approval
of
the
the
zoning
department
and
the
building
department.
Okay.
So
that's
why
I'm
looking
for
the
continuance
so
that
we
can
meet
in
person
on
june,
7th
or
thereafter,
when
the
office
is
open
again
with
the
alternative
plans?
Mr.
E
O
We
did
have
a
conversation
about
it.
I'm
not
sure
what
mr
murphy
has
to
submit
to
us
for
review
that
I
haven't
seen.
I
didn't
speak
with
him
yesterday
I
spoke
with
his
engineer
or
his
designer
well,
maybe
earlier
in
the
week.
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
the
building
will
not
be
open
until
until
after
the
independence
day.
That's
when
we're
going
to
start
accepting
output
individual
from
the
public
in
person
via
appointment
only.
O
If
there
is
a
meaning
of
the
minds
regarding
whether
or
not
that
structure,
how
that,
how
he's
proposing
to
attach
that
structure,
possibly
I
don't
know
what
he
is
proposing,
I
have
not
seen
anything
yet
my
my
interpretation
and
that
I
think
mr
brickellmeyer,
mr
murphy,
mr
gonzalez
and
mr
macage
are
all
have
seen.
O
E
E
We're
going
to
bring
this
home,
we
need
to
bring
it
home.
Mr
chairman,
yeah.
B
Yeah
I'll
be
glad
to
try
and
bring
this
home.
I
with
all
due
respect
to
mr
murphy,
who
did
we
did
have
a
long
continuance
a
month
or
two
at
least
between
the
last
time.
We
heard
it,
and
this
time
I
haven't
heard
any
compelling
reason
to
belabor
it
as
much
as
we
all
might
want
to
go
home
this
evening,
but
that's
not
a
good
reason,
so
I
would
move
to
deny
respectfully
deny
the
request
for
60
days
and
and
just
move
forward
with
this
one
way
or
the
other.
B
If
he's
not
satisfied
with
that
at
the
end
of
the
night,
then
he
could
always
submit
something
new.
You
know
down
the
road
if
he's
got
new
plans
or
some
something
else,
but
for
now
I
think
we
we're
we
are
where
we
are
and-
and
we
should
just
move
forward
out
of
the
fairness
to
everybody
involved.
I.
F
L
C
E
D
Chairman
you
talk
to
the
with
regard
to
the
continuance.
I
don't
know
whether
mr
brickelmeyer
wants
to
save
time
for
rebuttal,
and
you
did.
I
believe
mr
mcateer
did
not
have
the
chance
to
talk
to
the
substance
before
closing,
so
I
would
recommend
that
you
proceed
with
the
hearing
to
make
sure
you
have
the
full
record
that
you
need
necessary
to
make
your
decision.
E
Okay,
miss
chevrolet
your
advice,
we'll
continue
to
move
on
we've
already
heard
from
the
applicant
we'll
go
ahead
and
hear
from
mr
mater
on
the
substance
of
item
number.
One.
E
E
P
Q
Q
Q
Each
factor
is
followed
in
his
phrasing
by
the
word,
and
that
means
he
does
not
have
to
meet
one,
but
not
the
other.
He
has
to
meet
a
through
f,
all
of
them
per
the
warranty
deed,
which
is
of
record
in
this
case.
Mr
murphy
murphy
purchased
the
property
in
2010
after
the
setbacks
in
this
case
and
the
wetland
setbacks
that
we'll
talk
about
later
were
already
in
place.
Q
Q
Q
Q
I
requested
from
building
services
from
mike,
and
I
will
butcher
his
last
name,
and
I
apologize
mike
ozis,
says
hi
daryl,
just
to
clarify
and
confirm
after
I
requested
a
permit,
a
building
permit
history
search
for
this
property,
going
back
before
mr
murphy's
purchase
just
to
clarify
and
confirm
a
permit
has
never
been
issued
for
bld
19-0-4-6-8-6-8-1,
which
is
the
only
permit
they
could
find
permanent
application.
Q
Q
It's
just
and
you
will
set
a
precedent
which
will
cause
construction
chaos
throughout
the
city.
It
is
a
it
would
be
a
terrible
precedent
to
set
the
fact
that
it
took
years
for
the
violation
to
be
discovered
should
not
be
a
factor
in
his
favor.
He
had
a
citation.
Then
he
went
through
the
variance
review
board.
Then
there
were
procedural
changes
that
wound
up
in
design
exception
to
his
request.
Q
D
This
is
a
continued
public
hearing
right
and
okay
and
here's
a
question
though
sir-
and
I
let
me
just
raise
this
up
from
the
rules
of
procedure.
Requests
for
additional
time
may
only
be
granted
if
the
participant
making
the
request
establishes
to
the
satisfaction
of
counsel
that
additional
time
is
necessary
to
afford
procedural
due
process.
D
If
that
is
the
case,
council
members
shall,
by
majority
vote,
grant
to
deny
the
request
and
determine
the
additional
time
necessary
in
any
event,
that
a
participant
in
a
quasi-digital
public
hearing
is
given
additional
time
to
make
a
presentation.
Then
the
petitioner
may
request
additional
time
for
the
purposes
of
rebuttal
as
necessary
to
affor
afford
procedural
due
process.
C
If
I
may,
mr
chairman,
mrs
vera,
you
recognize,
I
mean
I
I'd,
give
the
gentleman
at
least
another
minute
to
finish
up.
E
Q
Okay,
the
2760
factors
were
not
met.
The
comprehensive
plan
factors
relate
new
buildings
and
development
to
the
context
of
the
neighborhood
and
community,
promote
physical
environments
of
the
highest
quality
which
emphasize
the
special
identity
of
each
of
the
city's
neighborhoods.
Q
The
exception
is
not
the
minimum
possible
possible
exception
under
specific
circumstances.
The
approval
of
the
exception
standards
was
justified.
You
know,
basically,
given
the
the
brief
moments
that
I
have
here.
I
must
just
say
that
2760-82f
we're
not
satisfied
at
all.
This
is
a
home
depot
carport
that
any
of
us
go
out
and
buy
and
stick
in
a
yard.
It
needs
to
be
in
the
right
place
and
not
in
the
setbacks,
and
this
is
an
extreme
impact
on
the
neighborhood
and
an
extreme
extreme
encroachment.
Thank
you.
E
P
P
Okay,
thank
you.
I'm
back
one
thing
that
mr
mcteer
had
indicated
that
this
is
a
home
depot.
Carport
well,
home
depot
does
not
sell
structurally
designed
carports.
This
is
a
carport
that
has
structural
designs
that
meet
most
build,
if
not
all,
building
requirements
throughout
the
united
states,
just
carolina
carports.
P
The
only
issue
here
is
the
attachment
side
of
it.
Now,
with
regard
to
that,
the
de
is
one
where
that
you
can
look
at
it
and
you
can
determine
if
it
meets
the
various
criteria
of
de
2760
and
yes,
there
are
several
points
that
have
to
be
cleared
and,
of
course,
they
say
that
it's
a
minor,
it's
not
a
minor
request,
but
it
it
meets
in
the
criteria
that
it's
not
affecting.
F
P
Harming
anyone
with
regard
to
the
structure
and
the
placement
of
the
structure,
as
a
matter
of
fact
before
I
get
there,
it
talks
about
the
meeting.
The
criteria
of
intent
and
purpose
of
the
chapter,
and
the
chapter
here,
as
you
can
see,
is
to
create
a
more
favorable
environment
in
which
to
reinsure
them
to
stabilize
and
enhance
property
and
civic
values.
That's
exactly
what
this
building
does.
P
P
Also,
the
greater
seminoles
heights
vision
is
same
scenario,
purpose
intent
of
this
article,
other
site,
specializes,
spatial
relationships
to
the
president
within
the
establishment
block
and
generally
the
surrounding
area,
which
it
is
it's
not
it's
actually
set
behind
the
the
front
of
the
house
and
does
not
present
any
type
of
issue
with
regard
to
vision.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
as
of
yesterday,
this
is
the
picture
of
the
front.
P
P
Now,
when
it
comes
to
approving
I'm
hoping
to
be
treated
fairly
and
just
here's
another
structure
that
is
actually
approved
at
the
babes
harris
golf
course,
which
the
an
identical
structure
similar
to
mine,
it's
still
reinforced
attached
to
concrete.
The
only
difference
is
the
type
of
roof
material.
This
has
a
canvas.
Mine
has
a
steel,
reinforced
roof
and,
as
you
can
see
here
in
that
situ
that
structure
it's
at
zero
feet
on
the
eave
and
it's
only
like
24
inches
from
the
building.
P
So
the
only
thing
I'm
looking
at
is
this.
This
is
not
going
to
set
a
presence
because
it's
the
presence
has
already
been
set,
and
mr
mcateer
talks
about
the
permit.
I
did
apply
for
a
permit,
but
the
permit
is
in
a
holding
pattern
until
we
can
get
some
determination.
With
regard
to
this,
I
have
filed
extensions,
there's
an
extension
in
place
right
now
that
gets
me
into
july.
P
You
know
the
the
there
is
a
permit.
Mr
mctier
makes
it
sound
like
it
was
denied,
it
was
not
denied.
It
has
been
just
basically
put
on
hold
through
the
process
until
we
get
everything
cleared
as
far
as
being
denied
in
the
beginning.
That
was
not
the
case.
The
the
review
by
the
billing
and
zoning
department
came
to
urban
design
and
they
said
well.
P
We
need
to
get
different
looks
we
had
to
get
a
an
epc
delineation
report
to
show
exactly
where
the
structure
was
relative
to
the
wetland,
and
we
also
had
to
go
through
and
look
at
how
the
building
is
set
on
the
property
it
is
attached.
It
meets
150
mile
an
hour
wind
gust
test.
So
this
is
a
very
strong
structure
and
it
doesn't
affect
mr
gonzalez
in
any
way.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
all
the
neighbors
there
are
seven
houses
in
the
on
the
street
that
are
not
affiliated
with
mr
gonzalez
or
myself.
P
P
P
Okay,
I
have
also
agreed
to
it:
no
house.
The
closest
house
is
80
feet
from
me
in
the
backyard
mr
gonzalez's
house
is
130
feet
away
from
the
structure
and
the
houses
across
the
canal
are
100
feet.
So
I'm
requesting
that
this
is
not
a
major
issue
and
that
you
know
a
granting
of
it
would
not
cause
any
harm
to
the
neighborhood.
E
R
L
Yes,
sir,
mr
cotton
you've
been
tried
and
true
for
me
for
many
years
on
the
various
boards
I
was
on.
I
just
have
to
ask.
I
hear
the
petitioner
keep
mentioning
that
this
building
meets
all
sorts
of
codes.
Was
it
done
with
a
permit
to
the
best
of
your
knowledge.
L
L
B
I'm
gonna
respectfully
pass
for
a
minute
or
two
and.
F
Well,
this
is
a
de
novo
hearing,
that's
what
it
was
now
it's
a
new
hearing,
so
the
evidence
is
in
and
I
understand
what
happened.
I
am
I'm
concerned
about
the
process
and
as
much
as
what
was
on
the
record,
according
to
what
mr
citroel
put
on
through
mr
cotton,
that
there
was
never
a
permit
issue
and
that's
my
main
concern.
There's
other
concerns.
I
know
they
should
put
on
the
record
about
the
capability
of
the
structure,
what
it
can
hold
and
not
hold.
D
A
reminder,
counsel,
martin
shelby
ms
wells-
did
provide
for
you.
It's
labeled
item,
one,
your
sample
motions
for
you
to
review
either
to
approve
the
design
exception
by
overturning
or
deny
the
design
exception
by
moving
to
uphold
the
zoning
administrator's
decision.
A
I
moved
to
uphold
the
zoning
administrator's
decision
to
and
hereby
deny
design
exemption
application.
De1
2066,
because
the
applicant
application
is
not
consistent
with
the
applicable
standards
set
forth
in
section
27
to
60
e5.
E
E
B
B
You
know
it's
hard
to
say
it's
hard
to
see
exactly
how
we
could
grant
this.
If
I
look
at
the
criteria
specifically
marching
through
sub
parent,
a
says
that
the
exception
does
not
interfere
with
the
rights
of
others.
Well,
we've
got
at
least
one
other
across
the
street
from
you
who
who
would
differ
with
that,
and
we
have
to
pay
attention
to
that
b.
The
exception
provides
a
reasonable
allowance
of
use
under
the
specified
circumstances
of
each
application.
B
I'm
not
really
sure
about
that.
The
next
one,
but
the
exception
achieves
the
general
intent
of
this
chapter
in
the
tampa
comprehensive
plan.
And
again
I
think,
as
stated
by
mr
cotton,
in
in
his
his
review,
which
is
part
of
what
we're
doing
tonight.
B
It
doesn't
appear
that
it
that
this
that
your
project
was
consistent
with
the
chapter
27
or
the
tampa
comprehensive
plan,
and
and
it's
unfortunate
that
I
think
that's
where
we
are.
But
I
think
that
is
where
we
are
next
one
d,
but
the
exception
is
the
minimal
possible
exception
under
specific
circumstances.
B
B
Again,
we've
been
told
that
there's
no
there's
been
no
permit
issued
so
and
we
don't
have
any
specific
plans
otherwise
in
our
possession
anyway,
as
I
march
through
five,
a
through
f,
I
don't
really
see
how
we
can
uphold
your
request
and
and
reverse
the
zoning
administrators
requests.
So
with
that
I'll
agree
with
mr
carlson.
M
E
P
E
N
N
As
I
mentioned
in
the
prior
hearing
earlier
today,
council
was
provided
with
a
copy
of
the
hearing
procedures
for
today's
review,
as
well
as
sample
motions.
In
addition,
you
have
been
provided
with
a
copy
of
the
review
criteria
in
section
27-60,
subsection
e5,
similar
to
the
process
followed
for
item
number.
One
city
council
will
apply
a
de
novo
standard
of
review
and
your
decision
is
not
limited
to
the
record
created
by
the
natural
resources
coordinator.
N
N
O
Good
evening,
council
eric
cotton
development
coordination.
Let
me
answer
my
screen,
please.
I
have
another
brief
powerpoint
from
back
from
february,
so
as
ms
wells
was
just
indicating,
this
is
de120-148.
It
was
a
determination
for
the
property
of
6915
river
boulevard
for
a
wetland
setback
approval.
O
The
applicant
is
michael
gonzalez,
he's
the
property
owner
across
the
street.
It's
the
individual
appealing
this
decision,
the
zoning
administrator
is
actually
not
the
property
owner,
it's
a
neighbor.
So
again
this
is
property
zone
shrs,
which
is
residential,
single
family
seminal
heights.
The
applicant
was
asking
to
reduce
the
wetland
setback
from
25
feet
down
to
seven
feet.
O
The
request
was
approved
by
the
natural
resources
coordinator
that
position
honors
in
with
the
city
tonight
you
also
have
brian
knox
who's
the
lead
foreign
examiner
regarding
how
the
determination
was
was
made,
but
basically
the
structure
was
put
in
without
the
concrete
concrete
was
put
in
without
permits
from
my
understanding,
and
the
removal
of
the
concrete
from
the
wetland
setback
would
be
more
detrimental
to
the
wetland
and
the
creek
or
water
body,
that's
adjacent
to
it
than
leaving
it
in
place
again.
O
O
This
is
the
wetland
area
as
determined
by
the
epc
through
their
wetland,
determination
process.
O
This
is
just
a
photo
of
the
area.
This
is
you
see
the
structure
that
mr
murphy
has
up.
This
is
an
existing
pvc
fence,
some
grassy
area,
and
then
you
can
see
where
the
where
the
bank
starts
to
go
down
into
the
water
area
again
another
picture
of
the
water
area,
and
I
believe
I
have
one
last
picture
again.
This
is
the
the
wet
area.
This
is
the
top
of
the
bank.
This
is
the
grassy
area,
and
this
is
the
structure.
That's
been
in
question
for
the
previous,
the
previous
case.
O
We
just
heard
I'm
here
for
any
questions.
If
you
have
any,
if
not,
you
have
any
questions
regarding
the
actual
scientific
aspects
of
it.
Please
ask
mr
knox:
how
about
qualified
to
respond.
B
B
It's
not
it's
probably
a
mile
from
my
house,
but
mr
knox,
as
I
recall,
that's
somewhat
of
a
ditch,
isn't
it
I
mean
it
feeds
down
into
the
river,
but
when
I've
seen
other
portions-
and
you
can
correct
me
or
please
do
when
I've
seen
other
portions
of
that
area,
it
looks
to
be
me
to
be
sort
of
a
a
drainage.
B
C
This
is
actually
this
is
a
drainage
ditch
and
it's
it's
it
was.
It
was
identified
as
such
when
we
went
out
there,
it's
it's,
a
upland
cut,
ditch
and
it's
basically
that's
the
only
purpose
that
it
serves,
but
epc
ruled
that
it
was
indeed
a
wetland
area,
and
so
with
that
we
do
enforce
the
wetland
setback.
B
Okay,
and
and
do
we
have
any
additional
pictures
of
of
that
ditch
and
or
wetland
to
help
council
see
what
I'm
talking
about.
B
B
C
B
N
C
C
E
All
right,
we'll
heal
from
the
the
applicant.
K
Yes,
jb
bricklemeyer
joseph
brookman
law,
601
north
ashley,
sweet,
seven
hundred
ten
florida,
three,
three,
six,
zero.
Two
point
point.
E
Q
Q
I
my
rebuttal
time
was
a
little
too
slow
on
that,
so
I
will
keep
a
good
cadence
on
this.
It
sounds
like
we
have
we're.
Gonna
have
a
bit
of
a
battle
of
nouns,
amongst
other
things,
between
ditch
and
creek,
but
we'll
get
to
that
in
due
time.
I
still
have
to
roll
through
the
same
criteria
govern
this
case
that
govern
the
last
one,
which
are
the
applicable
section,
2760
city
code
criteria.
That's
also
in
the
letter
that
was
disposed
in
this
case.
Q
It
rendered
the
approval
for
from
the
decision
for
mr
murphy,
so
I'll
just
keep
going
first
criteria
that
the
exception
neither
interferes
with
the
rights
of
others,
as
provided
in
this
chapter,
nor
is
injurious
to
the
public,
health,
safety
or
general
welfare.
Q
As
stated
further,
the
allowed
18
foot
encroachment.
This
is
not
some
small
encroachment
in
the
weapon
into
this
wetland
setback
area.
It
goes
from
25
feet
to
7
feet
into
the
wetland
setback
in
the
form
of
a
concrete
pad
we've
already
disposed
of.
The
of
the
carport
structure
threatens
a
spring-fed
creek
and
we're
going
to
show
you
the
springs
here
in
a
minute
in
a
video
which
feed
directly
into
the
hillsborough
rivalry
and
double
as
an
important
source
of
drainage
in
the
neighborhood,
and
is
inconsistent
with
every
city
law
and
policy
governing
the
site.
Q
Q
Q
Comprehensive
plan
states
in
this
introduction
on
page
eight
in
successful
city
building,
everything
is
interconnected
in
context
everything
else.
A
comprehensive
plan
is
supposed
to
be
a
general
guide
to
do
just
that.
One
component
of
the
plan
cannot
be
viewed
singularly
without
taking
all
facets
of
the
plan
into
consideration.
That
is
the
nature
and
intent
of
a
comprehensive
plan.
Q
There
in
1932
has
been
the
hillsborough
river,
and
this
is
a
threat
to
a
tributary
to
the
hillsborough
river
to
a
creek,
a
springfield
creek
that
feeds
the
hillsborough
river
and
it
that
isn't
consistent
with
the
comp
plan
ensure
that
the
zoning
code
reinforces
quality
urban
design.
As
it
relates
to
the
context
of
the
area.
We
don't
have
quality
urban
design.
Q
When
you
have
a
situation
where
you
have
two
driveways
half
of
one
is
ordered
removed,
it
is
removed
with
and
mulches
installed,
but
the
pad
the
pad
underneath
the
carport
was
not
removed,
and
there
was
no
erosion.
There's
been
no
testimony
and
there
won't
be
any
testimony
of
any
erosive
damage
from
removing
that
second
driveway,
which
we'll
get
to
that
in
a
moment.
Q
Q
Q
The
approval
of
the
exception
of
standards
includes
conditions
of
approval
is
necessary
to
ensure
that
the
adjustment
granted
does
not
constitute
a
grant
of
special
privileges.
Inconsistent
with
the
limitations
upon
other
properties
in
the
vicinity
and
within
the
same
zoning
district.
The
conditions
of
approval
were
partly
based
on
a
reported
statement
by
the
hillsborough
county
epc
regarding
stability
of
the
wetland
area
and
the
epc
didn't
opine
on
that
at
all.
Q
So
I
thought
mr
knox,
and
he
had
told
me
that
he
was
going
to
state
that,
but
I'm
going
to
put
mr
adam
schiffer's
email
from
the
county
up
and
he
will
say
the
epc
does
not
have
did
not
delineate
the
wetland
line
as
previously
provided
beyond
the
wetland
determination.
I
hope
you
can
read
this
beyond
the
wetland
determination
delineation
performed
by
epc.
It
will
be
necessary
for
you
to
work
with
the
city
of
tampa
staff.
Q
This
is
an
email
to
my
client,
mr
gonzalez,
to
determine
why,
on
what
basis,
the
quota
statements
were
made
in
the
matter
in
which
they
were
provided.
Epc,
the
county
never
came
in
and
said
anything
other
than
there's
a
delineated
wetland
in
the
area
and
they
were
out
so
that
part
of
the
approval
letter
is
inaccurate.
Q
Let's
take
the
number
off
here,
the
area
that
you
saw
mulched
in
mr
cotton's
and
mr
knox's
presentation
is
right.
Here,
that's
gone
that
was
removed
and
replaced
with
mulch.
There
has
been
no
testimony
and
there
won't
be
any
testimony
that
that
has
caused
any
damage
to
the
water
feature
to
this
creek
next
door
adjacent
to
the
property.
Q
Q
Q
E
Mr
the
tear
put
that
photo
back
up
sure.
Q
Correct
on
this
side,
you
can't
you
can
see
it,
you
can
actually
see
it
reflecting,
but
so
it's
there
and
you've
got
saint
augustine
along
the
side
here,
saint
augustine
grass,
and
then
here's
the
mulch
where
the
former
driveway
was
he
was
forced
to
remove
due
to
a
citation
okay.
Thank
you,
sir.
E
Q
And
this
just
very
quickly
is
the
approval
letter
which
cites
to
saying
that
the
there
is
a
review
conducted
by
the
environmental
protection
commission.
The
wetland
setback
area
applies
to
existing
structures
only
is
consistent
with
the
condition
that
the
removal
of
the
existing
structure
would
likely
cause
greater
impact
to
the
wetland
area.
Epc
never
made
that
finding.
They
never
made
a
finding
that
removal
of
the
concrete
pad
underneath
the
carport
that
we
just
disposed
of
in
the
last
hearing.
It
was
going
to
cause
any
damage
to
this
to
this
wetland
area.
Q
Q
R
Q
So,
as
you
can
see
in
this
in
this
video,
which
was
taken
at
the
same
time
as
the
picture
that
I
showed
earlier
in
this
video
all
of
this
all
these
documents
record
that
was
there's
a
flowing
spring
there.
This
is
not
just
some
I'm
sure
it
has
been
altered
over
the
years,
but
before
there
were
environmental
regulations
that
were
as
specific
as
they
are
now,
but
this
is
not
just
some
drainage
ditch
for
the
city
of
tampa.
Q
This
is
a
tidal
feature,
ditch
that,
yes,
it
rises
and
falls
with
the
tide,
as
does
a
river,
but
it
has
a
flowing
spring
in
it.
It
actually
has
more
than
one
flowing
spring.
Mr
gonzales
can
speak
to
that
personally
because
he
lives
there,
but
we've
got
one
on
video
and,
mr
gonzalez,
if
you
would
just
speak
to
any
remaining,
do
you
know
of
any
other
water
features
within
the
ditch.
R
R
Gonzalez
69
16,
north
river
boulevard
and
I've
been
sworn
in
and
so
to
ditch
it
as
you,
the
the
creek
as
you
get
closer
to
the
river.
Well,
those
houses
have
the
sea
wall.
So
there's
no
erosion.
The
further
you
go
away
from
the
two
houses
on
the
river.
Well,
these
structures
that
they
built
what's
happened
is
there's
been
erosion.
R
So
now
the
sea
walls
have
collapsed
in
and
the
creek
back
there
is
starting
to
close
in
on
top
of
itself.
There's
still
springs
all
along
the
middle
that
flows
out,
but
it's
starting
to
collapse
because
of
these
accessory
structures
that
are
not
directing
the
the
water
flow.
You
know
away
from
the
sides
of
the
creek
wall
and
that's
you
know
what's
happening
here.
I
have
some
other
videos
that
I
can
show
on
my
phone.
R
R
You
know
a
a
vibrant
aquatic
addition
to
to
our
community
and
it
feeds
directly
into
the
hillsborough
river
and
we're
just
trying
to
preserve
it.
The
house
I'm
in
was
my
grandparents
so
that
ditch
before
all
this
happened,
it
was
like.
It
looks
in
this
picture
all
the
way
back
when
these
people
added
all
this
that's
what's
happening.
Q
And
I
just
I
know
I
just
want
to
close
with
the
point
in
the
comprehensive
plan
that
there
is
a
duty
to
protect
natural
features
and
I
think
part
of
the
noun
fight
is
I've
labeled
it
my
my
words
over
this
is
you
know
I
picked
up
on
the
fact
that
you
know
mr
knox
used
the
word.
Ditch
and
he's
got
us
using
he's,
got
everybody
using
it.
Q
It's
good
arguments,
it's
kind
of
good.
I
I
can
congratulate
him
on
it,
but
it's
not
a
ditch.
It
does
it's
an
altered
creek
with
flowing
springs
in
the
base
of
it.
It
has
interaction
with
with
wildlife,
those
photos
of
record-
and
you
know,
as
mr
gonzalez
said
he
if
this
is
allowed
to
continue
and
that,
especially
with
the
carport
now
being
taken
off
water
is
gonna
that
impermeable
pad
is
to
stay
there,
you're
going
to
have
erosion
off
that
pad
and
collapse
the
side
of
this
creek.
Q
R
B
Well,
I
don't
think
I
want
to
ask
you,
mr
mac
too,
because
you've
already
done
a
little
too
much
testifying.
I
think
I'd
rather
ask
your
witness,
mr
gonzalez,.
R
B
R
Sense
to
me
I
can
show
you
in
a
couple
pictures
and
it
might
be
a
lot
clearer
for
you.
Could
I
do
that.
Please.
B
I
mean
I
understand
I
used
to.
I
grew
up
on
a
ditch
or
a
creek
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
in
a
different
part
of
town,
and
I
understand
that
sometimes
these
things
collapse,
but
they
usually
collapse
because
the
the
side,
walls
or
the
rip
rap
gives
out
it's
not
because
of
a
a
slab.
That's
seven
feet
away.
B
B
R
R
Ranch
house,
yes,
so
that's
the
house
in
2010,
when
mr
murphy
bought
it,
and
you
could
see
the
grass
on
the
creek
side
of
the
house,
which
is
the
left,
how
it
goes
straight,
you
can
see
the
oak
tree
is
straight
up
another
view.
Now
from
the
back,
you
can
see
how
it's
straight,
you
can
see
how
there
was
a
sea
wall
so
now,
after
the
structure
is
put
in
before
the
structure
was
just
concrete.
It's
this
large,
concrete
slab.
That
is,
of
course,
it's
not
going
to
pitch
through
the
house.
R
It's
going
to
pitch
away
from
the
house,
and
then
these
pictures
here,
where
the
arrows
are,
you
can
see
how
this
is
no
longer
flat.
This
is
almost
at
a
45
degree
angle
now
which
in
2010
before
the
illegal
construction,
it
was
at
a
90
degree
angle,
so
you
can
see
it
in
that
picture.
You
can
see
how
it's
rounded
here
and
and
how
palm
tree
that
was
cut
down
rolled
down
into
the
creek
and,
even
more
importantly,
at
low
tide.
R
Winter
is
when
it's
really
low
like
this
and
people
could
say
it's
a
ditch
any
other
time.
Winter
low
tide
just
has
water
in
it
constantly,
but
you
can
see
in
this
picture
with
these
arrows
how?
Because
of
the
erosion
to
the
right,
the
creek,
instead
of
going
straight,
you
can
see
it
get
diverted
to
the
left
and
then
straighten
back
up.
B
B
C
I
can't
I
can't
see
the
picture,
but
I
can't
say
that
a
slab
having
okay
there
we
go,
so
I
can't
say
that
the
slab
doesn't
necessarily
have
any
impact
to
this
ditch
area.
Also,
there's
vegetation
running
along
here
that
if
there
was
any
sort
of
runoff
it's
getting
filtered
by
that
as
well,
so
there's
two
factors
of
filtration
that
I'm
looking
at
that
says.
Q
Mr
shelby,
a
point
of
order,
am
I
allowed
to
ask
mr
knox
a
question
to
follow
up
to
that
statement?
Is
this.
Q
E
Interesting
questions:
do
we
have
anyone
on
the
second
floor,
to
speak
on
the
side.
O
O
P
Confusing,
I
also
have
my
attorney
mr
rickerman,
somewhere
out
there.
K
K
All
right,
moving
on
to
2148
the
approved
design
exception
for
reduction
of
wetlands
buffer
setback
from
25
to
7
feet
with
concrete
slabs,
as
mentioned
in
the
previous
testimony.
I
thank
mr
mack
going
through
the
items
in
27-60
and
I
will
let
that
stand
on
its
own,
given
that
staff
reviewed
those
as
in
the
process
of
approving
these,
this
is
I'm
gonna
run
through
a
couple
of
items
here
and
if
you've
got
any
questions,
please
stop
me
as
we
go.
K
This
is
the
revised
letter
from
natural
resource
coordinator,
kathy
back
for
about
robert
mead,
addressing
the
reduction
and
the
request
for
25
foot
to
setback
and
finding
that
is
consistent.
She
does
say
in
there
that
was
built
five
years
ago.
Some
parts
of
the
record
say
2011,
that's
what
my
client
says,
but
it's
it's
not
certain,
but
either
way
it
was
five
or
eight
years
that
that's
that
concrete
slabs
have
been
in
place.
K
This
is
the
second
item.
That's
in
council's
record.
It
is
shown
as
file
number
de1,
24148c
formally
filed
blah
blah
brian
knox
approval
letter,
which
we've
previously
seen
in
staff.
You
can
see
here
that
mr
knox
finds
that
the
de
request
is
consistent
with
the
intent
of
the
code
for
his
previous
testimony.
K
He
did
review
the
a
through
f
of
2760
as
part
of
that
approval.
K
This
is
continuous
to
the
letter.
This
is
an
overhead
from
the
staff
report.
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
so
orient
counsel
as
to
what
we're
talking
about
here,
so
really
that
wetland
area
of
the
ditch
greek
war
of
the
nouns
whatever
you
want
to
call
it.
It
looks
like
a
dish
to
me,
but
that's
my
opinion,
but
it
doesn't
look
like
a
fighting
wetland
that
blue
line
shows
the
wetland
area
as
delineated
by
epc
when
they
came
out
and
did
their
delineation,
which
I
will
get
to
later.
K
This
is
the
epc
review
letter
for
epc
review,
68658,
approximate
wetland
and
other
surface
water
delineation
for
the
joseph
mercury
property.
That's
stipulated
elsewhere
on
the
record
that
this
was
done
only
for
the
purpose
of
delineating
after
the
fact
permitting
existing
upland
improvements
through
the
city's
city
of
tampa
planning
development
review
department.
K
K
This
comment
is
addressing
the
same
thing,
so
I'm
I'm
assuming
I've
asked
from
epc
staff
to
get
the
entire
package,
but
given
that
it's
a
comment
sheet
related
to
that
property
and
the
dates
are
exactly
the
same
september-
11
2019
for
the
staff
visit,
as
is
indicated
in
the
other
letter.
This
says
here.
This
project
is
submitted
as
conceptually
justified
to
move
forward
through
the
variance
review
process.
This
was
back
when
we
started
with
the
vrb
process,
but
the
site
plan
hadn't
changed
and
the
concrete
pads
certainly
haven't
changed
and
at
the
bottom
they
say.
K
K
The
environmental
experts,
which
I
don't
know
that
mr
mcateer
or
mr
gonzalez
or
environmental
scientist,
which
I
believe
mr
knox
qualifies
as
given,
that
he
is
running
your
natural
resources
staff,
the
crest
is
viewed
by
natural
resources,
been
found
consistent
for
the
following
reasons:
it's
consistent
with
the
intent
of
the
code
in
this
specific
instance,
so
mr
mcintyre
is
going
to
come
back
and
say
that
you're
creating
a
precedent
by
creating
all
these.
K
Given
all
the
the
filtering
that
we
have
and
the
one-off
prevention
that
we
have
with
the
saint
augustine
grass
and
the
vegetation
along
the
side
of
the
ditch,
as
I
pointed
out
in
the
previous
slide
september,
11th
epc
staff
went
out
and
inspected
and
the
epc
comments
subsequent
to
that
inspection
that
were
dated
in
that
comments,
letter
of
one
of
january,
9th
of
2020
inspection
in
september.
This
was
january
20.
They
came
back
and
said
it's
permitted
and
they
don't
find
any
violations
of
chapter
11..
P
P
There's
only
two
sources
of
water
that
really
hit
the
ditch
one
is
an
outflow
from
a
koi
pond
in
the
residence
behind
me
and
a
24
inch
storm
drain,
pipe
that
comes
down
ola
the
street
over
those
are
the
only
two
sources
of
water
that
really
supply
the
ditch
at
low
tide.
P
He
he's
he's
done
such
a
good
job
at
bl,
at
focusing
in
on
those
two
items
that
he
doesn't
blow
it
out
and
show
exactly
where
the
spring
head
is,
nor
where
that
boat
is,
that
boat
is
actually
next
to
the
house
on
the
river
just
adjacent
to
his
house-
and
this
is
mr
gonzalez's
house
here
and,
as
you
can
see,
he's
got
riprap
on
one
part
of
his
embankment
and
he
also
has
some
concrete
out
at
the
riprap
side
next
to
the
river.
That's
where
the
spring
head
is.
P
P
B
B
P
Right,
okay.
Secondly,
they
talk
about
the
driveway
for
me
to
go
on
through
the
de
process.
I
had
to
go
through
transportation
and
all
the
departments,
and
when
they
saw
that
I
had
two
driveways,
they
said
you
have
to
remove
it
or
we
can't
go
forward.
I
said
okay
well
I'll,
remove
the
driveway.
Their
contention
was
that
the
driveway
started
at
the
front
of
the
house
and
went
to
the
street.
P
It
was
removed,
and
in
this
picture
here
I
don't
know
if
you
can
see
it,
but
under
the
boat
area,
all
this
is
filled
in
with
grass.
So
now
this
is
a
very
you
know,
good
area
for
percolating,
any
type
of
runoff.
The
concrete
pad
itself
is
set
on
a
slope
so
that
it
drains
any
rain
water
that
might
be
on
it
all
the
way
to
the
front
of
the
property,
which
would
then
go
into
this
area
and
percolate
into
the
ground.
P
And,
as
we
mentioned
earlier,
the
there's
no
erosion
on
the
side
of
the
house
and
here's
another
picture
of
it
as,
like.
You
said
seven
feet
and
it
is
it's
seven
and
a
half
feet
and
is
measured
by
epc
and
all
this
is
grass
and
there's
no
erosion,
and
I
wish
I
had
some
other
pictures
that
I
have.
Mr
gonzalez
even
has
some
that
he
says
is
erosion,
but
there's
there's
no
erosion.
Secondly,
why
is
it
a
ditch?
Here's,
the
history
of
the
property.
This
is
from
the
history
and
heritage
of
that
area.
P
P
When
he
went
in,
there
started
digging
hit
limestone,
which
is
basically,
you
cannot
mine
and
it
ended
up
that
he
sold
them
all
off,
including
all
these
pools
were
filled
in
and
mr
gonzalez's
property
is
on
that
furthest
par
par
mine
is
on
the
third
and
in
the
middle
there
is
actually
where
the
street
is
currently,
but
there's
no,
no
creek
anywhere
in
this
picture
on
the
north
or
the
south
side
of
the
pools.
P
It
was
and
right
here
in
this
little
space
right
here
is
basically
where
the
spring
that
mr
gonzalez
says,
is
located
in
the
river
at
that
location
right
there,
and
this
is
the
history
of
the
area,
so
the
ditch
is
a
ditch.
I
spoke
to
hillsborough
county,
ditch
cleaning,
whatever
that
department
is-
and
I
also
talked
to
tampa
stormwater.
P
This
ditch
is
not
even
on
their
radar.
It's
not
on
any
of
their
plans.
They
are
all.
There
are
no
easements,
I
own
literally
to
the
middle
of
the
creek
and
then
on
the
other
side,
and
I
say,
ditch
and
on
the
other
side
that
neighbor
owns
to
the
middle
of
the
ditch.
There's
no
clean
out
easements,
no
utility
easements,
no
water,
drainage,
easements,
nothing!
P
It
was
never
never
planted
as
such,
and
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
up
that
you
know
they're
they're,
doing
a
good
job
at
depicting
that
it's
there's
all
this
environmental
issues
that's
going
on,
but
it's
not
it's
very
stable.
E
I
guess
we'll
go
back
to
mr
gonzalez
and
mr
mattias.
We
can
bring
this
thing
in
for
a
landing.
P
Q
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
My
comments
will
be
very
short
and
I'll.
Just
let
mr
gonzalez
speak
to
the
structure
on
his
property.
That
was
pointed
out
to
you
by
mr
murphy.
Again,
I
just
want
to
emphasize,
and
this
is
per
20
per
the
code.
You
have
to
be
stay
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan,
which
means
you
need
to
stay
consistent
with
environmental
policy.
Q
Q
Yes,
he
went
through
some
processes
and
he
had
the
design
exception
looked
at,
but
that's
not
getting
a
permit.
That's
just
asking
for
forgiveness
instead
of
permission
and
that's
exactly
what
he
did
now
as
to
the
location
of
springs
and
as
to
the
features
on
the
lot
on
mr
gonzal
and
mr
gonzalez's
house,
which
was
built.
The
house
was
built
via
permit
in
2009,
but
other
than
that's
city
record.
But
I'll
have
him
speak
to
the
structure
that
mr
murphy
pointed
out?
Miss.
E
E
He
was
forced
to
move
it
up
until
the
point
of
his
the
the
the
eve
of
his
his
property
correct.
The
house
correct.
Q
R
Michael
gonzalez
have
been
sworn
in,
the
pad
that
that
my
grandfather
put
in
everything
on
my
property
is
permitted,
but
the
reason
his
was,
I
believe,
allowed
when
I
built
my
new
house.
We
had
a
discussion
with
that
with
the
inspectors
is
because
it
is
engineered
like
the
river
rock,
for
example,
you
have
a
concrete
pad
and
a
concrete
seawall.
There
is
no
erosion,
that's
why
he
allowed
it.
R
Now
on
the
side
of
my
house,
where
I
have
a
pad,
where
I
keep
my
garbage
cans
so
they're
not
in
front
of
the
house,
they
made
me
put
pavers
there,
because
those
were
permeable
and
the
water
could
permeate
through
them.
So,
on
the
side
of
my
house,
I
could
not
pour
concrete.
I
couldn't
have
a
circular
driveway
or
anything
I
couldn't
encroach
on
the
wetlands.
R
The
only
way
I
could
is,
if
I
put
these
pavers
only
so
far
from
my
house,
because
they're
impervious
now,
mr
murphy's
property-
all
he
has
to
do-
is
attach
that
concrete,
rebuild
the
sea
wall
and
then
there'd
be
no
more
issue.
It'll,
be
like
every
other
engineered
concrete
pad.
That's
next
to
a
waterway,
the
water
will
go
right
off
and
there'll
be
no
erosion
that
that's
the
issue.
The
issue
is
what
he
created
is
going
to
cause
a
detriment
to
the
street
that
I've
lived
on.
B
So
I'll
I'll
move
to
uphold
the
natural
resource,
coordinator's
decision
and
hereby
approve
design
exception
application
de
1-20-148,
because
the
application
is
consistent
with
applicable
standards
set
forth
and
section
2760.
B
Everybody
else
is:
lay
lay
p,
lay
persons
and
or
attorneys,
but
mr
knox,
our
expert
indicated
clearly
that
that
this
meets
the
criteria
of
five,
a
through
f
and
specifically,
I'd
point
out
that
this
does
not
interfere
with
the
rights
of
others,
as
provided
in
this
chapter.
Nor
is
it
injurious
to
the
public,
health,
safety
or
general
welfare.
B
I
won't
like.
I
say
I
won't
go
through
all
of
them,
but
I
do
believe
they
meet
the
criteria.
More
importantly,
mr
knox
indicated
that
he
he
did
as
well
and
I'm
going
to
rely
on
his
expertise
in
his
letter.
I
I
do
want
to
point
out
that,
in
the
original
approval
letter
he's
what
he
said
and
what
I
read
was,
it
said
after
review
by
the
city
and
the
epc,
and
he
came
to
those
following
conclusions.
B
So
it
wasn't.
He
wasn't
just
citing
to
the
epc
he
was
also
citing
to
himself
and
anybody
else
who
reviewed
it
for
the
city.
So
with
all
that,
I'm
going
to
look
to
uphold
the
zoning
administrator's
decision.
C
E
All
right,
gentlemen,
mr
vera,
anything
to
say
oh
miss,
I'm
sorry.
Mrs
fless
has
some
information.
She
wants
to
give
counseling.
H
Senior
assistant
city
attorney-
I
did
gentlemen-
just
want
to
take
a
couple
minutes
of
your
time
this
evening,
since
we
have
an
a
b
night,
I
sent
a
memo
to
council
dated
may
25th
regarding
new
legislation
that
was
passed
by
in
this
past
session
and
signed
by
the
governor
two
weeks
ago.
H
But
the
legislature
has
now
passed
a
law
that
makes
it
permanent,
and
so,
as
you're
aware,
when
you
adopt
alcoholic
beverage
ordinances,
you
do
specify
whether
consumption
is
for
on-premises
or
off-pac
off-premises
package
sales,
and
so
there
may
be
an
impact
to
some
code
provisions
and
I
will
be
working
with
your
development
and
growth
management
staff
to
determine
what
the
best
avenue
is
for
any
changes
that
might
need
to
take
place
as
a
result
of
this
new
legislation.
H
L
H
C
I
actually
do
I
I
won
if
I'm
a
mystery
chair
on
june
17th.
I'd
like
to
have
all
you
all
know,
I'm
sure
tiffany
klein
have
you
ever
had
a
covet
scare.
Like
I
did
about
12
times
over
the
last
year
you
called
tiffany
as
all
of
our
city
employees
didn't.
I
think
it
would
be
nice
for
us
to
have
a
city
council
commendation
for
her
for
all
of
her.
F
C
C
E
Mr
vieira,
second
by
mr
maniscalco,
all
in
favor.
C
F
Moran,
yes,
sir,
I
do,
sir.
This
is
only
the
fourth
time
in
140
years
that
this
event
has
occurred,
and
I
wasn't
here
140
years
ago,
mr
ding
felter,
I
see
you
smiling
the
academy
of
holy
names.
High
school
division
iii,
high
school
girls
won
the
state
championship
a
few
years
ago.
A
few
days
ago
I
mean-
and
this
is
only
the
fourth
time
in
the
history
of
the
school
in
140
years-
history
since
1881-
that
they
won
any
type
of
high
school
championship.
F
E
F
So
I
learned
something
every
day
and
I
like
to
have
the
young
ladies
come
here
on
june.
The
3rd
at
9
00
am
with
their
coaches,
so
we
can
make
a
combination
to
each
one
of
the
girls
in
a
second.
E
Floor
by
miss
miranda,
second
by
mr
c
driver
question
on
the
motion.
Question
motion:
yes,
sir.
E
F
E
What's
up
mr
miranda
say
my
mr
sietro
we're.