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A
Good
morning,
gentlemen,
good
morning,
citizens
of
tampa
temple
city
council
now
to
come
to
order
for
special
call
meeting
for
october
18,
20
21,
we'll
start
with
a
moment
of
silence.
But
I
also
want
to
let
folks
know
the
they
don't
know.
The
passion
of
general
colin
powell,
this
morning,
great
great
servant,
public
servant
to
the
united
states
of
america
and
the
armed
forces,
a
great
loss
to
to
this
nation
and
a
great
world
leader.
So
we'll
bow
our
heads
from
home
osiris
and
then
we'll
go
with
the
pledge
of
allegiance.
A
B
A
C
Yes,
thank
you
good
morning,
mr
chairman
members
of
tampa
city
council,
martin
shelby
city
council
attorney
today
is
the
18th
of
october.
It
is
past
10
a.m
and
we're
here
for
a
special
call
workshop,
it's
being
conducted
with
a
live
in
person
quorum
of
the
tampa
city
council
present
in
city
council's
chambers.
However,
in
light
of
the
continuing
covet,
19
government
issued
health
standards
of
guidance
now,
in
effect,
members
of
the
public
have
the
opportunity
to
participate
virtually
through
what
is
referred
to
by
florida
statutes
and
rules
as
communication,
media
technology
or
cmt.
C
Today's
special
call
workshop
is
being
held
for
the
purpose
of
discussion,
discussing
whether
to
add
additional
meetings
of
city
council
and
to
discuss
any
changes
to
city
council's
scheduling
and
agendas.
The
public
and
citizens
of
tampa
are
able
to
watch,
listen
and
view
this
meeting
on
spectrum
channel
640,
frontier
channel
15
and
live
stream
at
tampa
dot
gov
forward
slash
live
stream.
C
C
Now
for
those
who
don't
have
cmt
or
did
not
pre-register,
you
do
have
the
ability
to
come
to
city
hall
to
use
technology,
that's
being
made
available
to
the
public
by
the
city
of
tampa
here
at
old
city
hall,
on
the
second
floor,
one
floor
below
at
315,
east
kennedy,
boulevard
and
please
note
that
the
use
of
use
of
masks
and
social
distancing
inside
the
building
are
encouraged
and
again,
if
you're,
using
the
go
to
meeting
platform.
Please
know
that
the
chat
box
is
not
to
be
used,
except
for
technical
problems.
C
B
D
B
D
C
Obviously,
this
being
cmt
consistent
with
what
we've
found
in
the
past
a
motion
to
adopt
the
rules
consistent
with
the
notice
and
and
the
rules.
I've
stated.
E
B
F
Hey
good
morning
jeff,
we
can
hear
me
good
morning.
Okay,
first
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
su
ling
for
scheduling
me
to
speak
before
the
sun
came
up
this
morning.
She
and
michelle
are
absolutely
amazing
and
you
are
lucky
to
have
them
in
2000.
Tampa
had
300
000
residents.
The
last
numbers
show
we're
hovering
at
400
000.
Yet
the
tampa
city
council
is
still
following
the
same
schedule.
That
must
change.
I'm
of
the
mind
that
you
all
also
need
a
raise.
F
No
one
runs
for
tampa
city
council
for
the
money.
Lord,
we
all
know
there
are
easier
ways
to
get
paid.
It
is
about
doing
what
you
think
is
best
for
the
city.
You
love
tampa.
City
council
is
doing
an
amazing
job.
Making
things
happen
for
the
neighborhoods
we,
the
neighborhood
associations
at
least
the
ones
I
have
spoken
with-
are
very
happy
with
the
results
we
are
seeing
from
this
council,
although
I
am
guessing
after
last
week's
representatives.
F
After
last
week,
the
representatives
of
the
development
community
community
aren't
as
happy
the
neighborhoods
have
been
at
a
disadvantage.
For
years.
We
get
less
time
to
defend
our
positions
in
two-day
meetings.
We
don't
we
don't
know
what
the
developers
will
say
until
they
show
up
and
say
it.
We've
been
ignored
over
and
over
again
when
we
show
up
in
force
the
developers
ask
for
a
continuance
without
a
voice
heard
from
the
neighbors
who
made
the
times
in
their
lives
to
show
up
for
free
because
of
the
tampa
city
council.
F
We
now
have
good
folks
in
the
development
community
who
are
starting
to
see
that
neighborhoods
are
not
unreasonable,
that
they
are
seeing
that
we
can
work
with
them
and
sometimes
we
can
even
work
for
them.
We
are
the
experts
in
our
neighborhoods,
and
we
appreciate
your
support.
Neighborhood
associations
are
not
land,
use
or
or
legal
experts.
We
don't
want
to
be,
but
we
do
want
to
be
informed.
F
Staff
is
starting
to
listen.
We
are
making
it,
they
are.
Making
attempts
to
educate
us
through
different
venues.
Phone
calls,
education,
programs,
listening
sessions,
neighborhood
inclusion,
they
are
increasing
from
staff
and
we
love
it.
We
are
seeing
these
changes
because
of
the
words
and
the
action
of
this
city.
Council.
You,
gentlemen,
represent
the
people
of
tampa.
F
We,
the
neighborhoods,
are
noticing
the
net
the
developers
and
their
representatives
are
noticing.
Don't
let
folks
who
play
don't
play
by
the
rules,
bully
you
into
being
something
less
of
a
voice
for
the
people,
the
people
elected
you,
because
they
think
you
will
do
what
is
best
for
them.
I
believe
that
they're
correct
in
that
assumption.
I
urge
all
city
councilmen
to
recuse
themselves,
along
with
councilman
felder.
You
could
be
next
remember
that
your
neighbors.
B
The
next
caller
speaker
is
going
to
be
carol.
Anne
bennett,
miss
ben.
If
you're
on
the
line,
please
mute
yourself
and
you
have
three
minutes
to
speak.
F
Hi,
my
name
is
carol
ann
bennett,
stephanie's
a
hard
act
to
follow.
Just
y'all
pretend,
like
I'm
saying
everything
stephanie
just
said
in
a
dense.
In
addition,
I
am
concerned
about
the
way
continuances
are
done.
I
think
that
has
has
a
contributing
effect
to
the
problems
with
meeting
times.
F
I
would
like
to
suggest
that
if
a
applicant
wants
a
continuous
continuance,
they
must
request
it
within
72
hours
before
the
meeting.
That
would
make
it
more
or
less
an
automatic
granting
of
that
request.
But,
most
importantly,
that
gives
the
neighborhoods
time
to
plan
or
undo
the
plans
they've
made
to
speak.
F
F
F
People
who
work
at
nights,
if
even
if
they're
going
to
speak,
cmt
they're
going
to
need
a
babysitter
and
a
lot
of
people
feel
like
if
they
show
up
in
person
that
their
voice
is
going
to
have
more
weight,
and
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
times
I've
seen
people
standing
out
there
waiting
to
speak
only
to
have
it
continued,
and
so
I
think
this
is
a
reasonable
solution
to
that.
I
also
think
that
it's
important
not
to
reduce
public
comment
as
a
way
of
shortening
the
meetings.
F
I
also
think
that
applicants,
particularly
a
larger
project
for
re
for
rezonings,
should
require
a
public
information
meeting
is
well
advertised
and
has
a
sign
up
sheet.
I've
seen
repeatedly,
applicants
stand
up
and
say:
oh,
I
talked
to
the
neighbors
and
then
neighbor
after
neighbor
will
get
up
and
say.
Well,
he
didn't
talk
to
me.
I
don't
know
who
he's
talking
about
and
then
sometimes
you'll
pressure
on
and
say.
F
Well,
who
did
you
talk
to
and
they'll
come
up
like
well
one
person,
so
I
think
that
that's
you
know
a
really
valuable
thing
that
will
help
reduce
time,
because
I've
seen
continuous
ask
for
so
they
can
meet
with
the
public.
Everyone
knows
how
much
the
city's
grown.
That
means
the
workload
for
every
city.
Job
has
grown
right
along
with
it,
and
that
includes
you
guys
and
the
meetings
and
the
pay
need
to
keep
up
with
the
growth.
I
have
a
lot
of
respect
for
you
all
of
you,
I'm
very
impressed
by
you.
F
I'd
rather
stick
hot
pokers
in
my
eyes
than
do
your
job.
I
think
you
really
try
very
hard
to
do
what's
best
for
the
city.
I
don't
always
agree
with
you,
but
I
respect
you
and
I
hope
you
do
the
right
thing.
Thank
you.
B
D
D
The
issue
y'all
are
having
is
whether
you
have
additional
meetings
and
such
like
that.
I
think
you
guys
would
be
the
best
judge
of
your
time
so,
but
the
city
has
grown
as
stephanie
has
said
and
and
carol
anne.
So
that's
you
know
something
that
y'all
need
to
decide
for
yourselves
in
saying
that
often
the
cmt
should
definitely
be
kept,
because
this
has
been
a
lifeline
for
me
to
be
able
to
not
only
work
in
my
own
neighborhood
but
to
also
work
in
my
in
my
business
and
participate
with
city
council.
D
So
I
appreciate
that
going
on
and
I
hope
it
stays
continuances.
Yes,
the
continuances
have
gotten
a
little
ridiculous
we've.
All
we've
listened
to
y'all
talk
about
that.
So
I
like
what
carol
ann
said
about
perhaps
72-hour
notice.
If
you're
going
to
try
a
continuance,
we
know
things
happen,
so
it
can't
be
set
in
stone
because
things
happen,
but
I
I
propose
that
for
the
neighbors
who
have
come
to
speak
and
registered,
they
should
be
able
to
speak
and
then
perhaps
play
their
recording
at
the
actual
meeting.
D
If
it's
continued,
give
them
the
option.
If
they
want
to
speak
now
and
have
it
recorded
or
come
back,
I
think
they
should
have
an
option.
That's
just
one
way
around
that
and
then
lastly,
the
big
elephant
is,
you
know
you
guys
are
elected
by
us
by
our
your
neighbors,
your
your
districts
and
you
have
your
city-wide.
D
We
have
been
coming
before
you
for
two
years
consistently
to
boast
or
our
own
neighborhoods.
I
have.
I
appreciate
you
all
that
do
listen
to
us
and
vote
that
way.
I
I
have
respect
for
those
that
may
not
want
to
vote
a
particular
way
but
they'll
say
look.
I
don't
believe
this
is
the
right
thing,
but
this
is
what
my
this
is
what
my
voting
base.
This
is
what
our
kid
my
constituents
want.
So
I'm
gonna
vote
that
way.
I've
heard
that
said
on
council
floor.
D
I
don't
think
it's
very
cool
for
one
individual
to
start
suing
our
city
council.
That
is
disturbing
me
to
the
nth
degree.
D
I
see
other
city
council
sitting
with
to
lunch
with
these
people
that
have
sued
other
people-
and
you
know
these
lawsuits
and
these
you
know
us
anonymous
source-
said
this.
Somebody
said
that
I
cannot
stand
that
and
it's
dirty,
and
I
don't
like
it.
I
felt
like
I
had
to
take
a
bath
after
that
it
was
just
bad
and-
and
you
know,
we're
going
to
be
backing
you
all.
We
are
paying
attention
and
we
will
be
doing
our
own
investigations.
So
thank
you.
We
love
you
bye.
A
G
G
Good
better,
thank
you.
I
figured
it
would
be
on
when
I
came
up
here
just
for
the
sake
of
repeating
john
ben
and
chief.
G
There
you
go
yeah,
I
had
to
get
the
cobweb
off
anyway,
when
we
talked
about
cmt
last
time:
communications,
media
technology.
We
agreed
that
the
current
state
of
covid
I
talked
to
the
experts
all
the
time,
the
department
of
health
usf
health,
that
safety
is
our
most
paramount
issue,
of
course,
in
serving
the
public
in
balancing
those
two
things,
and
we
agreed
that
we
would
look
towards
the
end
of
this
calendar
year,
beginning
of
next
calendar
year,
to
make
any
logistical
or
other
adjustments.
So
I
have
pulled
our
staff.
G
So
if
it's
just
a
matter
of
increasing
quantity
staff
is
ready
and
able
to
to
handle
that
if
it's
about
changing
the
logistics
of
how
a
meeting
goes
based
on
everything,
we
know,
we
are
able
to
manage
current
state
and
everything
we
do.
That
changes
creates
unintended
consequences
between
now
and
the
end
of
the
year,
so
you
know,
while
we
would
be
able
to
adapt,
I
think
keeping
things
as
they
are
is
probably
recommended
between
the
logistics
of
the
building
handing
people
in
and
out
of
the
second
floor.
G
A
Chief,
I
I
hear
from
the
technology
folks
in
mr
shelby
about
we
don't
have
a
certain
technology
for
the
cmt,
so
I
don't
really
know
what
that
is
or
what
that
would
cost
us
if
this
council
needs
to
look
at
that
to
move
forward
in
the
future
with
the
cmt
for
the
public,
because
that
is
a
concern
for
the
public
wanting
to
have
that
it
has
been
valuable
for
a
lot
of
folks
who
who
can't
get
down
here.
Transportation,
whatever
means,
so
I'm
just
curious
about
that
aspect.
C
I
believe
good
morning,
martin
shelby
city
council
attorney
in
in
speaking
with
cttv
with
regard
to
the
technology
that's
needed
for
the
switching,
for
instance,
the
use
of
powerpoint
presentations
to
be
controlled
in
the
control
room
as
opposed
to
out
here
or
as
opposed
to
somebody
sharing
their
screen.
G
Yeah,
no,
if
there's
a
if
there's
a
gap
between
the
way
we're
doing
this
hybrid
now
and
what
we
want
to
do
long
term.
We
definitely
can
close
that
gap,
so
I'll
talk
to
russell
halper,
our
director
over
tni
and
see,
and
communications
and
adam,
to
see
what
we
need
to
do.
But
of
course
you
know,
there's
the
functionality
and
then
there's
the
record-keeping
aspect
and
and
making
sure
that
we're
safe
and
secure
with
the
media
that's
being
presented.
G
So
you
know
I'll,
look
at
all
three
of
those
elements
and
make
sure
that
we
can
support
it
going
forward.
Mr.
H
I
Yeah
first,
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
to
all
the
producers
and
video
people
who
have
put
all
this
together.
I
mean
it's
like
putting
on
you,
know
big
live
tv
show
and
and
the
way
they're
able
to
coordinate
every
now
and
then
they're
bugs,
but
going
from
what
we
had
before
to
this
and
as
seamlessly
it
has
done.
I
just
want
to
thank
all
of
them
for
the
hard
work.
I
I
I
feel
strongly
that
we
and
I've
said
this
before,
but
I
feel
strongly
that
we
should
be
consistent
in
requiring
video
for
all
public
comment
if
we
have
remote
access-
and
we
only
do
that
for
quasi-judicial
issues,
but
I
think
that
the
the
purpose
of
public
comment
is
for
people
to
come
before
the
public
and
just
doing
it
audio
doesn't
doesn't
work.
I
One
of
the
complications
with
that
is
with.
As
I
understand
we
go
to
meeting
it,
doesn't
work.
The
video
doesn't
work
on
some
platforms.
We've
had
some
issues
with
with
the
quasi-judicial
part,
I
think
in
the
in
the
announcements
of
the
cmt.
I
We
ought
to
be
maybe
more
explicit
and
and
and
and
more
clear
that
for
even
if
we
just
do
it
for
quasi
digital,
that
you
have
to
use
either
to
go
to
meeting
app
or
some
other
format
so
that
people
can
see
on
video
so
that
people
don't
accidentally
come
up
and
not
understand
it.
But
I
having
work
if
we
work
through
that
challenge.
I
I
think
people
who
want
to
get
public
comment
deserve
to
be
on
video
and
I
think
they
should
be
on
video
because
it
it
puts
them
in
front
of
us.
I
The
the
other
thing
that
I've
heard
a
lot
of
complaints
about
is
public
comment
from
the
second
floor,
and
I
don't
know
what
our
rule
is
about.
Coming
back
to
this
floor.
This
is
the
first
time
that
staff
have
really
presented
in
front
of
us
in
a
couple
years
other
than
a
couple
exceptions,
but
the
public
feels
disconnected
from
us.
I
They
feel
that
it's
the
same
being
at
home
as
it
is
being
on
the
second
floor,
and
maybe
you
could
speak
to
when
we
might
be
able
to
get
the
public
back
in
this
room
and
even
if
they're
staged
downstairs
and
come
up
and
speak.
I
think
they're,
okay
with
that,
but
they
just
would
like
to
speak
in
front
of
us.
Instead
of
downstairs.
G
Yeah,
thank
you.
Councilman,
carlson
and
again
staff
can
support
anything
that
council
wants
to
put
in
place.
I
would
say
that
it's
going
to
require
additional
staff
to
do
the
in
and
out
of
second
third
floor.
Let
me
just
give
you
some
the
last
data
that
I
looked
at
related
to
our
covert
policies
and
keeping
everybody
safe.
G
The
state
is
running
about
a
four
percent
positivity
rate,
the
county's
running
about
a
six
percent
positivity
rate.
When
I
talk
to
usf
health,
their
recommendation
was
three
percent
or
below
we'd
get
us
into
a
state
of
normalcy.
We
don't
have
a
timeline
without,
like
any
other
modeling,
it's
very
difficult,
it's
very
difficult
for
them
to
predict
the
delta
variant
we're
moving
into
flu
season.
G
G
I
Yeah,
and
also
for
more
proactively
communicating
that
people
with
device
certain
devices-
it's
not
it's
not,
I
think
mostly
people
who
don't
have
devices
that
they
have
an
ipad.
Maybe
that's
not
compatible
if
they're
streaming
through
through
a
website
instead
of
the
app
and
so
just
explain
to
people
clearly
in
advance
what
they
need
to
do
so
they
can
get
the
hook
up
on
their
side.
I
Could
we,
since
we're
already
stabbing
downstairs,
can
we
have
people's
station
down
there
and
then
come
up
a
few
at
a
time
or.
G
Well
again,
I
my
prediction:
just
it
would
elongate
your
meeting
to
have
the
transfer
around
unless
there's
a
certain
capacity
limitation
to
this
floor
and
we
let
groups
in
and
out
based
on
cueing
up
the
agenda.
But
that's
going
to
take
some
choreographing.
Whereas
of
now
it's
you're,
just
switching
out
at
the
microphone
down
there
and
everybody
who's
going
to
speak
is
on
that
floor
and
you
know
so,
but.
A
Chief,
I
think
the
problem
you
have
you
know
when
I,
when
I
look
at
what
the
public
is
asking
right
now
for
this
council
to
do
it's
different
from
the
various
review
board
and
some
of
these
other
boards,
who
have
kind
of
let
some
folks
in
you
know,
council
operates
totally
different,
and
that
means
that
more
people,
you
know
we're
talking
a
different
dynamic.
So
I
just
want
councilmembers
to
understand.
A
We
want
to,
you
know,
do
what
the
public's
asking,
but
still
we're
in
this
kind
of
state
of
emergency,
a
little
bit
and
plus
looking
at
the
dynamics,
and
we
have
to
change
versus
a
variance
review
board,
meeting
versus
an
actual
city
council
meeting.
So
just
keep
that
in
mind,
but
whatever
council's
pleasure,
it
is
but
just
want
to
throw
that
out.
I'll
get
to
mrs
dean
get
what
what's
causing
your
finisher.
No.
I
Could
I
just
say
to
that
point,
though:
the
if
somebody
before
we
had
cmt
just
to
for
public
comment,
people
would
come
here
in
person
right
so
their
their
face
and
their
voice
are
on
video,
and
so,
if
we're,
if
we're
simulating
that
electronically,
then
we
would
make
video
available
to
everyone,
and
maybe
we
make
exceptions
if
it's
not
quasi-judicial,
but
we
make
video
available
to
everybody
because
then
you
know
the
whole
idea
is.
I
A
C
So
the
public
does
hear
it
in
order
to
participate
via
cmt,
you
must
have
access
to
a
communications
media
device
such
as
a
tablet
or
a
computer
equipped
with
a
camera
and
microphone
that
will
enable
you
to
be
seen,
video
and
heard
audio
by
the
city,
council
and
all
other
participants,
and
this
is
actually
in
bold
and
in
red.
It
says
for
these
specific
two-way
video,
virtual
meeting
formats,
cell
phones
and
smartphones
are
not
compatible,
as
they
will
not
allow
you
to
share
your
camera
when
connected
now.
C
C
With
regard
to
what
the
the
chief
said,
having
the
audio
capability
for
general
public
comment
allows
people
who
don't
have
that
access
and
don't
have
the
ability
to
have
that
set
up
pre-registered,
it's
a
lot
easier
to
phone
in,
as
the
clerk
would
say,
to
be
able
to
get
them
in
so
for
general
public
comment:
there
isn't
the
due
process
requirement
that
for
quasi
judicial,
it
is
necessary
for
people
to
be
seen
if
the
suggestion
should
come
up
for
cross-examination
and
the
like,
it
complicates
things
for
quasi-judicial,
but
from
a
legal
standpoint
it
becomes
more
necessary
to
have
the
video.
C
So
it's
it
still
counsels
pleasure,
but
I
believe
the
chair
alluded
to
the
excuse
me.
The
chief
alluded
to
the
fact
that
requiring
video
for
general
public
comment
may
preclude
certain
people
from
being
able
to
share
their
comments.
Now
the
question
is
whether
you
make
it
as
an
option.
That's
another
issue,
but
certainly
I
understand
your
concern.
I
No,
I
think
that,
thank
you,
the
the
the
point
with
all
that
warning
still
about
10
of
the
people
that
come
for
quasi
digital,
don't
have
the
right
equipment,
and
it's
not
clear
to
me
also
if
you
are
on
an
ipad
or
a
phone,
and
you
have
the
go
to
meeting
app,
I'm
not
sure
if
it
works,
then,
but
somehow
I
think
we
with
just
the
people
that
have
not
been
able
to
do
it
with
quasi
judicial.
We
need
to
figure
out
how
to
communicate
more
effectively
and
then
I'm
fine.
I
If
we
give
people
the
option
for
video
in
the
non-quasi-judicial,
I
just
think
people
deserve
the
the
option
there,
because
audio
is
not
is
not
fully
representing
their
views
just
like
as
if
they
were
here.
Thank
you.
A
J
Just
would
like
to
make
a
statement
please.
I
was
elected
to
take
care
of
city's
business.
If
I
have
to
stay
here
14
hours
a
day,
I
will
do
it
doesn't
make
any
difference
to
me.
J
J
J
Again,
gentlemen,
I
I'm
here
to
talk
about
anything.
We
need
to
talk
about
I'm
here
to
do
my
job
and
I
will
do
my
job
if
it
takes
me
to
be
here
all
damn
day
and
night,
but
I
think
what
we
really
need
to
talk
about
is
rules
and
procedures.
How
covet
has
affected
that?
How
we
can
work
around
these?
How
we
can
change
these
if
necessary,
so
that
our
business
here
can
be
more
effective
not
only
for
ourselves
but
for
our
citizens
and
for
staff.
E
Thank
you
first,
mr
citro.
I
think
your
your
comments
appropriately
reflect
councilman
miranda
couldn't
be
with
us
today,
but
he
sent
a
memo
and
he
he
made
reference
to
several
rules
that
I
think
we
can
address
later
on
in
the
meeting.
In
regard
to
the
the
issues
you
brought
to
us,
john
bennett,
the
I
think
and
mr
carlson,
I
think
you
brought
up
some
good
points.
E
The
the
cmt
has
been,
even
though
we
kind
of
stumbled
into
it
because
of
covid
the
response
to
it
in
the
community,
I
think,
has
been
very
positive
because
it's
all
about
public.
You
know
the
public
having
access
to
us
and
in
in
as
easy
a
way
as
possible
with
technology,
and
I
mean
john
you're
all
about
technology
and
and
you're
you're,
pushing
this
city
to
use
technology
in
every
possible
way.
E
You
know
with
with
staff
and
and
that
sort
of
thing
and-
and
I
think
it
just
makes
sense-
that
we
extend
that
technology
that
use
of
the
technology
out
to
the
community
to
benefit
the
community.
That's
what
that's!
What
we're
here
about
is
to
is
to
do
that.
So
I
think,
to
the
extent
that
we
that
we
continue
to
allow
cmt
and
and
as
as
a
vehicle
for
for
in
any
in
any
possible
and
legal
way.
Mr
shelby,
I
think
we
should
mr
carlson
I
I
totally
agree
with
you.
E
E
Must
be
cmt
there
anyway,
you
know
why
is
thursday
morning
different
than
thursday
night?
I
know
thursday
night.
We
have
to
have
the
video,
but
I
think,
thursday
morning
we
should
allow
the
video,
because
I
think
the
communication
is
often
a
visual
thing
and
and
it's
it's
a
lot
easier
to
just
tune
out
an
audio
voice
that
we
just
sort
of
hear
up
here,
but
at
least,
if
somebody
has
the
ability
to
be
on
that
screen
and
looking
at
us
and
we're
looking
back
and
that
sort
of
thing.
E
E
Chief
bennett,
I
think
I
agree
with
you
about
not
making
any
radical
changes
until
january.
Our
covenant
numbers
are
just
getting
better.
I
mean
I
looked
at
a
new
york
times
article
yesterday
and
florida
is
doing
much
better
than
the
rest
of
the
country
right
now
it
seems
to
be
shifting
north
and
that
sort
of
thing,
but
we've
seen
this
before,
where
the
shifts
change
for
different
reasons.
E
So
we
don't
know
what
the
next
couple
of
months
are
going
to
bring.
Hopefully
we
can
all
pray
that
this
is
a
good
trend
and
it
will
continue,
but
I
agree
with
you:
you
know
we
don't
need
to
make
any
massive
changes.
Mass
significant
changes
about
downstairs
upstairs
and
that
sort
of
thing
until
january.
E
When
abby
stands
at
that
podium
15
feet
away
from
us,
we
can
have
so
much
of
a
better
dialogue
than
seeing
her
on
a
little
a
little
box,
and
I
know
it's
a
little
more
difficult
because
you
got
to
come
over
abby
and
we
apologize
for
that.
But
I
would,
I
would
hope
and
encourage
that
now
that
things
are
a
little
bit
better,
that
we
can
get
staff
in
this
room
as
much
as
possible
for
for
presentations
and
dialogue.
E
B
Yes,
thank
you
in
response
to
the
audio
versus
the
video
between
correct
general
public
comments
and
quasi,
it's
a
lot
more
difficult.
As
far
as
general
public
comments.
Today,
we
only
had
three,
so
it
wouldn't
have
been
a
big
issue,
but
if
we
have
10
15,
it
takes
time
to
move
each
speaker
over
as
a
panelist
and
we
only
have
a
limited
amount
of
panelist
spots
if
they
come
over,
we
have
technical
issues,
so
it
is
going
to
lengthen
the
meeting
just
to
try
to
figure
out
those
technical
issues
for
the
speakers.
B
E
And
I
hear
you
clearly:
there
are
some
issues
that
bring
a
lot
of
people
out
on
a
thursday
morning,
but
sometimes
it
is
just
you
know,
10
or
15
people.
You
know
that
sort
of
thing.
E
G
E
G
Yeah,
if
I
could
support
sue
lang
for
a
second,
but
also
support
council's
comments,
you
know
I
want
to
reflect
back
when
we're
really
in
the
deep
throes
of
covet,
and
you
know
everybody
was
in
a
different
state
of
normalcy
than
we
even
are
now.
Councilman
carlson
did
a
great
job,
sending
us
a
lot
of
vendor
opportunities
that
seem
to
be
coming
out
as
it
relates
to
offering
different
platforms.
G
In
addition
to
that
russell
halpert's
group
and
technology
and
innovation
are
looking
at
advancing
our
agenda
management
system,
which
we
know
as
sire
right
now,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
there
are
platform
opportunities
that
may
give
the
a
better
public
interface
by
video,
and
so,
if
cmt
goes
into
the
future,
which
we
probably
expect
it
will
to
increase
that
level
of
service.
G
We
may
need
to
look
at
just
re-platforming
the
entire
system
and
and
give
that
capacity
to
the
public
and
that
access
that
we're
talking
about
right
now
and-
and
I
think
that
really
is
the
good
time
gap
between
kovitz
standing
down
and
cmt
standing
up.
We
have
a
couple
months
to
work
through
this
and
see
if
we
can
come
up
with
a
better
mousetrap
for
everybody.
G
G
So
that's
you
know
truthfully.
I,
like
the
staff
level
engagement.
I
will.
I
will
speak
from
an
efficiency
point
of
view
that
I
know
when
I'm
logged
on
virtually
and
we
have
unintentional
or
unexpected
delays
that
I'm
working
while
I'm
waiting
to
queue
up
and
that
I'm
not
going
to
speak
for
abby
and
her
team
and
others.
But
I
can
tell
you
the
cmt,
I
think,
has
helped
staff
to
some
degree,
but
then
there's
certain
issues
that
I
know
we
want
to
be
in
the
room.
G
And
so
maybe
if
it's
a
combination
of
a
request
and
the
ability
for
staff
to
because
they're
all
doing
double
duty,
I
mean
we
all
toggle
in
and
out
I
mean
I
have
the
meetings
on
no
matter
whether
they're
general
regular
meetings,
workshops
or
I'm
always
having
them
in
the
background
and
ready
to
you
know
to
jump
in
because
I'm
pre-loaded
into
the
system.
E
Mr
chairman,
if
I
could
the
the
times
when
I
find
this,
the
the
staff,
the
virtual
staff
responses
to
council
not
very
engaging
or
or
helpful,
is
when
there's
four
or
five
people
at
a
conference
table,
because
I
can't
I
can't
hear
them
very
well,
it's
hard
to
see
who's
speaking.
G
Yeah-
and
I
think
you
know
councilman
a
lot
of
times
that
happens
on
inter-departmental
issues
or
complex
issues
where
we're
trying
to
choreograph
our
comments
for
efficiency.
So
I
don't
think
it
happens
too.
G
A
All
right,
I've
heard
from
all
council
members
I'm
going
to
just
get
my
point.
You
know
we
have
to
be
considerate
to
madam
clerk.
You
know
what
they
have
to
do
on
that
end
as
well.
She's
phone
is
it's
a
challenge
and
we
don't
have
the
technology
right
now
so
until
we
get
to
technology,
that
might
not
be
something
we
can
do
right
now
until
we
get
what
we
need
and
what
it's
going
to
cost
for
us
to
get
it
no
problem
with
that.
We
want
the
community
engaged.
A
So
you
know
we
have
to
look
at
giving
them
options
as
well.
Ultimately,
we
have
the
final
say
so,
there's
chambers,
but
I
do
think
that
we
have
to
look
at
all
options
in
the
best
options.
When
you
talk
about
going
to
video,
we
know
how
long
at
night,
when
we
have
some
serious
issues,
it's
not
sometimes
just
10
or
15
people.
It
could
be
30
35
people
sometimes,
and
you
talk
about
35
people
on
a
video
camera.
That's
a
long
night
gentleman
which
hey
we
get
paid
to
be
here.
A
I
get
that,
but
when
it's
at
night
time
I
don't
want
senior,
I
don't
want
people
walking
in
the
dark.
Things
do
happen
and
late
nights
they're
just
too
late,
so
I
think
the
chief
can
bring
back
some
ideas
before
january.
We
can
look
at
those
and
then
maybe
implement
those
things
going
forth
with
again
talking
with
the
the
other
administrators
and
see
how
they
feel
about
coming
back
in
the
chambers
and
again,
the
time
frame.
A
So
I
would
just
say
that
the
chief
bring
us
back
some
goals
and
objectives
before
january,
and
then
we
can
look
at
changing
those
rules
or
what
have
you
at
that
particular
time,
mr
vera?
We're
going
to
go
less
one
more
last
round
we're
going
to
bring
this
landing
in.
I
saw
your
hand
you'll
recognize,
sir.
H
Thank
you,
sir
yeah,
and
I
didn't
have
any
questions
I
did
send
out
a
memo
to
mr
shelby
on
some
suggested
changes
that
I
that
I
I
I
think
would
make
sense.
Among
other
things,
you
know
we
talk
about
having
more
council
meetings
a
month.
I
I
think
that
with
sensible,
incremental
changes
and
restraint,
there's
no
reason
as
to
why
we
need
that.
I
think
what
we,
what
would
be
wise,
though,
would
be
to
have
one
council
meeting
a
month
for
commendations,
with
or
without
atu
police.
A
E
I
had
one
other
question
to
mystery,
but
you
recognize
okay,
chief
bennett.
I
can't
remember
who
it
was
one
of
the
one
of
the
commenters
commented
about
the
amount
of
time
that
council
not
only
is
here,
but
as
his
works
and
and
and
that
sort
of
thing
as
compared
to
our
salaries.
E
I
don't
know
that
the
city
has
done
a
salary
review
of
council's
salary
in
a
long
time,
so
I
would
just
I'm
not
even
going
to
make
a
motion,
but
I
just
respectfully
request
that,
just
like
you
do
for
all
city
employees
to
make
sure
that
that
our
salaries
here
are
comparable
with
other
comparably
sized
cities
across
the
country.
E
I
would
ask
you
to
take
a
look
at
that
for
city
council
and
I
emphasize
across
the
country,
because
there's
not
that
many
other
400
000
people
cities
in
the
state,
but
there
are
many
across
the
country
and
and
these
days
it
used
to
be
oh
tampa
is
a
cheap
place
to
live.
You
know,
you
know
cost
of
living
cost
of
housing
all
that
stuff.
That
isn't
true
anymore.
E
I
think
that
our
cost
of
living
here
is
comparable
with
with
pretty
much
everywhere,
except
maybe
you
know
the
the
very
far
northeast
or
california,
so
but
anyway,
I'll
leave
that
in
your
hands
and-
and
I
that
would
just
be
an
informal
request.
G
C
That
ms
feely
and
and
the
legal
department,
as
well
as
they're
here
with
with
staff
and
they
have
a
presentation,
and
I
believe
that
would
be
helpful
and
they're
prepared
to
move
forward.
C
But
I
also
also
want
to
bring
to
mr
vera's
attention
and
the
other
council
members
that
I
did
distribute
mr
vieira.
Your
suggestions,
each
council
member,
has
that
in
front
of
them
and
council
member
miranda
did
provide
a
memo
that
I
did
provide
to
you
and
also
the
third
page
were
the
things
that
were
adopted
by
city
council
that
were
discussed
at
the
special
discussion
meeting
in
march
of
this
year,
and
you
see
that
the
two
of
them
are
xed
out,
because
council
rejected
those,
but
the
others
were
actually
addressed
by
council
favorably.
C
But
we
have
held
off
changing
the
rules
permanently
because
of
the
state
of
emergency,
but
with
proper
direction.
At
the
end
of
today,
we
can
review
those
again
see
what
council
wants
to
do:
incorporate
the
other
suggestions
and
get
clear
direction
to
be
able,
as
councilman
sitro
said,
to
make
permanent
adjustments
to
the
rules
so
that
you
can
rely
on
them
as
being
your
standing
rules.
Thank
you
and,
and
then,
by
the
way
that
should
also
include
cmt
when
we
do
that
to
councilman
sitro,
so
that
is
very
clear
to
the
public.
K
Abby
philly,
director
of
development
and
growth
management.
I
came
before
you
on
october
7th
of
this
month
and
we
kind
of
revisited
some
discussions
that
had
been
had
and
some
decisions
that
had
been
made
in
relation
to
setting
your
evening
hearings
at
five
o'clock
and
then
also
being
able
to
utilize
both
of
your
evening
hearings
in
order
to
accommodate
the
number
of
cases
that
had
come
into
land
development
and
that
we're
working
toward
getting
in
front
of
you.
I
do
have
a
brief
presentation.
K
Here's
a
quick
agenda
we'll
do
a
quick
overview,
talk
about
that
rezoning,
special
use
process,
timing,
your
meeting
duration,
since
we
went
to
the
five
o'clock
couple
recommendations
and
then
some
additional
matters
that
you
had
discussed
just
a
few
weeks
ago
that
kate
wells
is
present
this
morning
and
will
assist
with
so
typically,
you
have
two
evening
hearings
a
month.
One
was
always
for
the
rezoning
and
special
uses.
K
The
second
had
been
dedicated
to
your
alcoholic
beverage
applications,
and
then
you
have
your
two
morning:
hearings
a
month
with
your
accommodations
review,
hearing
staff
reports
based
on
a
review
of
the
current
matters
and
discussion
of
city
council
just
earlier
this
month
and
a
suggestion
that
potentially
commendations
were
to
be
considered
on
an
independent
day.
It
appears
that
the
remaining
matters
could
all
be
accommodated
in
your
current
meeting
schedule
without
adding
a
meeting
so
rezoning
special
use
timing,
the
meetings
are
limited
to
13
items.
K
This
has
traditionally
been
10
new
items
and
three
continued
items,
and
that
is
how
we
would
manage
it.
I'm
going
to
show
you
our
our
schedule,
that's
used
by
our
applicants
in
just
a
minute.
If,
on
any
of
our
cycles,
the
la
development
coordination
receives
more
than
10,
it
automatically
goes
into
the
next
cycle
and
I'm
going
to
visually.
Show
you
that
now.
K
So
this
is
the
schedule
we
publish
and
it's
a
little
hard
to
see.
I
do
have
a
blow
up.
I'll
show
you
of
one
of
those,
but
this
is
a
schedule.
We
publish
every
start
of
each
fiscal
year
because
we
change
over
on
october
1st,
so
we
show
our
applicants
if
you
file
by
this
cycle.
This
would
be
the
tentative
hearing
date
that
you
would
have
and
that's
at
the
end
of
the
green.
So
for
september
27th,
if
you
came
in
and
you
filed,
you
would
have
a
tentative
hearing
date
of.
F
K
20Th
now
all
those
dates
in
between
are
codified
dates.
Your
application
comes
in
30
days
later
you
go
to
drc.
30
days
later,
you
have
resubmission.
42
days
later,
you
come
get
ready
to
come
to
council.
We
set
you
in
sire,
you
do
your
public
notice
and
then
we
prepare
for
the
hearing.
We
have
deadlines
in
there
of
our
staff
report
when
it's
due
to
counsel
when
the
public
notice
is
due.
So
this
is
it's
not
just
things
kind
of
end
up
here.
They
actually
are
on
a
very
structured
schedule
when
they
do
so.
K
For
example,
on
that
september
27th
cycle,
we
receive
15
submissions,
15
complete
applications.
Well,
we
only
have
10
slots,
so
10
of
them
went
to
september
and
five
of
them
went
into
the
october,
which
also
only
has
10
slots
so
with
a
few
days
left
and
that
yellow
5's
a
little
hard
to
see.
We've
already
completed
our
october
cycle,
we
had
10
filings.
Those
10
filings
are
now
in
process
and
they're
moving
forward
for
a
february
2022
hearing.
K
K
K
How
many
improperly
noticed
for
a
period
of
time
a
few
years
back?
Improper
notice
was
a
huge
reason
why
we
were
having
backlogs,
because
people
weren't
perfecting
notice
and
then
they
couldn't
be
heard,
but
we
had
to
find
another
cycle
to
put
them
into.
Here
are
the
times
that
you
adjourned
for
each
of
those.
K
I
think
it
varies
ryan's
here
and
with
me
this
morning
and
he
may
be
able
to
speak
to
that.
I
did
want
to
also
note
that
if
we
feel
at
the
staff
level,
you
know
I
I
work
with
our
team,
but
our
team
really
takes
the
lead
on
that.
If,
if
brian
and
the
team
feel
like
the
case
is
not
proper
to
be
heard,
it's
going
to
have
issues
or
the
number
of
changes
are
substantial.
We
do
work
with
an
applicant
to
try
to
get
them
to
continue
before
they
walk
in
your
door.
K
As
we
know
the
frustration
that
comes
along
with
a
case
going
for
an
hour
and
a
half
all
the
public
notice
happening,
and
then
oh
we'll
take
a
continuance
and
it's
like
well,
we
should
have
been
reaching
out
to
the
community
before
that.
You
should
have
been.
You
know
doing
some
of
these
things
ahead
of
time.
So
we
do,
you
know,
work
that
side
of
it.
I
will
let
kate
speak
to
the
fact
that
we
also
acknowledge
someone
has
the
right
to
due
process
and
they're
in
this
cycle.
K
That's
when
their
case
is
set
to
be
heard
and
that's
a
can
be
a
very
contentious
and
slippery
slope,
so
we
do
our
best
to
get
it
in
a
position
where
it
can
be
heard
and
if
we
acknowledge
you
know,
look
at
this
staff
report.
It
has
52
items
on
here,
probably
not
going
to
move
forward
thursday
night.
It
may
be
in
the
applicant's
best
interest
to
then
go
ahead
and
say
you
know
what
I'm
going
to
take.
That
continuance
get
this
in
a
better
position.
J
K
Thank
you.
So
we
we
came
to
you
on
october
7th.
We
asked
that
you
go
ahead
and
retain
that
501
pm,
which
you
did
vote
on
because,
as
you
could
see
from
that
long
schedule,
we're
already
gearing
up
to
get
people
ready
for
public
notice
for
november
december
and
then
to
return
that
second
hearing
back
to
alcohol,
strictly
alcohol.
We
had
asked
you
to
give
us
some
leverage
and
allow
us
to
put
some
rezonings
to
do
some
ketchup
from
covid
and
other
items.
K
But
we
would
like
to
go
ahead
and
put
that
back
to
an
alcoholic
beverage
night.
That
being
said,
we
would
schedule
the
alcoholic
beverage
land
development
development
coordination
that
night
the
alcoholic
beverage
averages
about
three
to
five
cases,
so
that
does
still
allow
an
opportunity
for
council
to
go
ahead
and
use
those
additional
items
slots
on
that
evening.
K
Sometimes
they
are
used
for
conference
and
plan
amendments,
and
sometimes
they
could
be
used
for
other
items.
If
that's
where
you
would
like
to
place
the
continuances
or
you
would
still
like
to
shift
things
around,
that
would
give
you
a
good
amount
of
time
on
that
evening
and
those
spaces
to
be
able
to
accommodate
some
additional
cases
and
then
yeah.
That's
what
I
just
said
they
would.
You
would
have
that
discretion
to
schedule
additional
items
on
that
night,
the
additional
matters
I'll.
K
Let
I'll
speak
briefly
to
this
and
then
allow
kate
to
come
up
and
join
me
review
hearings
as
sue
ling
had
mentioned
last
on
the
7th.
You
do
typically
take
two
review
hearings
per
day
meeting
and
those
are
set
at
a
10
30
time.
K
I
believe
I
had
heard
a
council
member
mention
if
commendations
were
to
be
placed
on
a
separate
day,
then
us
looking
at
this
in
preparation
for
this
morning
thought
either
you
could
set
those
review
hearings
at
1
30
on
those
days
or
you
could
set
a
separate
day
if
you
were
going
to
do
commendations
on
a
separate
day.
You
might
want
to
choose
to
set
your
review
hearings
on
that
separate
day.
K
A
And
the
reason
I
should
repeat
that,
because
I
look
at
the
schedule
and
even
if
we
have
the
we
take
the
accommodations
away,
you
don't
know
how
long
public
comment
can
be.
You
know
how
long
these
review
range
can
be,
and
you
still
run
the
risk
of
these
later
means
that
we're
having
you
know,
that's
why,
when
I
asked
you
to
repeat
what
you
were
saying
so
that
might
be
food
for
thoughts.
We
may
continue
the
question
question.
K
That's
how
I'll
let
kate
speak?
Okay,
a
little
bit
on
this
now,
let.
E
E
We
treat
our
euclideans
when
they
come
in
in
terms
of
scheduling,
but
I'm
I
find
that
sort
of
interesting
because
I
would
presume,
from
a
staff
perspective
and
from
an
applicant
perspective
that
that
a
straight
euclidean
rezoning,
you
know
from
from
the
rs
50
to
the
rs
rs60
to
the
rs50,
which
we
see
a
lot
of,
is
not
that
complicated
in
terms
of
the
various
reviews
that
that
are
required
and-
and-
and
likewise
I
don't
know-
I
just
thought-
maybe
they
could
go
in
a
different
batch
and
be
expedited
for
the
community's
benefit.
K
K
What's
all
on
who's
here,
you
know.
The
other
thing
is,
though
we
balance
that,
with
an
applicant's
expectations,
the
applicant
filed
under
a
certain
cycle,
you
know
they've
done
all
the
work
to
get
there
a
lot
of
times
they
have
a
contract
or
a
deal
or
a
closing
or
something
else
that's
waiting
or
contingent
on
that
public
hearing
having
taken
place.
So
we
do
try
to
make
sure
that
they
stay
on
track
and
we
balance
both
the
euclidean
applications,
the
pd
applications
and
the
overall
cycle
in
the
most
efficient
way
that
we
can.
Okay.
E
In
regard
to
the
to
the
appeal
hearings,
I
like
the
idea,
a
lot
about
pulling
them
out
of
the
morning
meetings.
It's
sort
of
a
a
strange
thing,
because
I
mean-
and
mr
shelby
can
confirm
this
most
most
of
mostly
in
the
morning-
we're
dealing
with
staff
matters,
we're
dealing
with
legislative
matters
and
that
sort
of
thing
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
we
kind
of
shift
gears
into
the
quasi-judicial.
E
You
know
appellate
or
appeal
issues
and
kate.
You
can
speak
to
this
as
well.
It's
a
you
know.
I.
I
think
it
would
be
great
if
we
could
pull
those
review,
hearings
and
and
put
them
in
the
evening
when
we're
in
that
quasi-mode,
with
with
our
with
our
robes
on.
So
that's
more
of
a
comment:
abby
you
and
and
carol
post,
and
I
and
perhaps
a
few
others
have
had
a
discussion
about
the
research
that
I
did
about
mandatory
public
information
sessions.
E
You
alluded
to
it
a
minute
ago.
Sometimes
your
your
applicants
getting
a
lot
of
negative
public
comment
and
then
you
say:
have
you
gone
and
met
with
the
neighborhood?
Well,
no,
no,
you
know
or
yeah
I
met
with
one
of
them,
but
you
know
that
sort
of
thing
when
in
reality
and
we've
we've
talked
about
this,
I
found
communities
around
the
country
that
mandate
that,
especially
on
a
certain
threshold,
again,
I'm
not
talking
about
going
from
an
rs
60
to
an
rs,
50,
necessarily
on
a
single
lot.
E
E
You
know,
have
mandatory
neighborhood
meetings
and
we
also
talked
about
the
possibility
of
an
ombudsman
which
I
won't
get
into
today,
which
is
just
somebody
to
help
facilitate
those
those
meetings
and
make
sure
that
there's
better
dialogue
going
on
between
these
applicants
and
the
neighborhoods,
instead
of
just
a
unidirectional
dialogue.
K
So
we
had
talked
about
it
in
relation
to
the
privately
initiated
text
amendments
and
we
had
talked
about.
So
what
I
I
would
like
to
ask-
and
I
mentioned
at
the
october
7th
hearing-
is
that
we're
asking
that
your
february
workshop
focus
on
planning,
zoning
and
growth
management
and
based
on
that
I'd
like
to
work
with
the
legal
department
to
be
able
to
come
back
during
that
workshop,
to
propose
those
text
modifications
to
the
code
where
we
could
incorporate
those
required
community
meetings.
K
We'll
do
some
research
and
get
some
items
drafted
up
in
relationship
to
to
that
matter.
I
think.
E
That'd
be
fantastic.
I
appreciate
that
and,
and
and
maybe
add
to
the
list
for
february
my
last
item,
which
came
from
one
of
the
folks
who
spoke
earlier
about
the
continuances
requests
coming
in
no
later
than
x,
number
of
hours
in
advance
72
hours
in
advance,
48
hours
in
advance,
something
like
that
because
at
least
that
way
the
community
is
not
wasting
their
time
rallying
the
troops
you
know
come
down
here,
bring
your
torches,
etcetera
and
then
and
then
the
applicant
stands
up
and
said.
E
We
want
to
continue
well,
if
you
wanted
a
continuance
at
least
give
the
courtesy
to
the
community
staff
and
everybody
else,
you
know
48
or
72
hours,
advanced
notice.
Now,
mr
citro,
you
bring
up
a
good
point.
There
are
occasions
that
during
the
hearing
you
know
when
the
questions
arise
either
from
us
or
the
community
when,
when
the
applicant
decides
that
a
continuance
might
be
more
appropriate,
but
that's
after
his
present
his
or
her
presentation
you
know
and
after
we've
gone
deeper
into
it.
So
that's
that's
sort
of
the
exception.
A
A
E
A
Actually
speak
to
that,
I
have
a
problem
with
that,
but
we
have
to
make
sure-
and
the
problem
I
have
is
that
now
we
we
added
somebody
to
the
list
now
and
now
it
bumps
other
people,
so
I'm
just
figuring
how
we
make
those
adjustments,
so
we
don't
get
overloaded
again.
So
that's
my
biggest
thing
is
okay,
we'll
give
it
to
you,
but
should
you
be
allowed
to
be
next
week.
E
Right
right
and
then
and
and
and
you're
right
and
and
I'm
not
sure
how
to
deal
with
that
from
a
process
perspective
and
perhaps
ryan
you
know-
might
have
some
suggestions.
K
Feely
I
so
a
couple
things
one
is
I
I
would
actually
I
have
leaned
over
to
ryan.
I
said
what
do
you
think
about
72
hours?
I
mean
I,
I
think
I
would
think
a
week.
I
mean
the
other
thing.
Keeping
in
mind
from
our
side
is
we're
issuing
a
staff
report
and
we've
put
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
into
that
staff
report
and
if
the
plan
is
going
to
change,
sometimes
it
confuses
the
public
worse.
K
When
a
report
goes
out
and
then
they
read
it
and
they're
preparing
and
then
oh,
no,
that's
not
what's
going
to
happen
now,
we've
got
a
different
plan
or
the
plan
is
going
to
change
in
between
the
continuance
to
address
certain
things.
So
that
was
just
one
thought
on
that.
The
other
thing
is,
you
know
you
can't
and,
and
kate
can
confirm
this.
You
can't
actually
take
action
since
it's
on
your
agenda
until
the
night
that
it's
set.
E
K
Agreed,
I
guess
my
thought
in
relationship
to
process
was
since
we
would
be
before
you
for
that
official
action
we'll
be
able
to
be
working
with
you
to
manage
where
that
then
is
going
and
that
it
is
not
bumping
someone
else,
because
we
would
say
to
you.
That's
now
come
in
and
ryan
has
a
sheet
I'll
show
you
his
sheet
just
for
informational
purposes,
but
ryan
you
know,
has
a
sheet
where
he
tracks
all
this,
and
so
we
would
be
before
you
that
night
and
be
able
to
say
to
you.
K
Here's
what's
on
your
agenda
that
night
or
we'll
be
able
to
say
to
you
so
far,
there's
three
alcohols
set
for
the
later
hearing
february
24th.
This
continuance
would
be
moving
to
that
night.
So
and
we
could
look
at
a
better
tool
than
this
you
know
for
so
you
can
visually
see.
I
know
how
visual
you
are
as
a
board
and
how
much
that
that
really
makes
a
difference,
but
I
think
we
could
get
a
handle
on
that
in
terms
of
being
able
to
manage
that
in
a
meaningful
way.
L
Thank
you,
abby
kate,
wells,
chief
assistant
city
attorney
just
a
few
comments,
and
actually
I
was
going
to
address
the
issue
of
continuances.
So
I'm
glad
that
the
speakers
this
morning
raised
it
and
that
council
is
raising
it
because
I've
heard
your
frustration
when
so
many
items
get
continued
and
I
think
last
week
a
significant
number
of
continuances
occurred,
but
thankfully,
a
few
of
those
the
applicant
had
requested
the
continuance
in
advance
of
the
hearing
date.
So
council
was
aware
of
it.
L
The
neighborhood
was
aware
of
it
and
you
didn't
have
a
lot
of
folks
registered
to
speak
or
on
the
second
floor,
to
address
that.
So
I
you
know,
I
don't
know
that
it
necessarily
has
to
be
in
the
code,
but
perhaps
in
your
rules
of
procedure,
where
you
recognize
the
ability
to
have
that
first
continuance
by
right.
L
You
are
prepared
to
move
forward
with
that
action
and,
if
you're
not
prepared
you're
asking
for
the
continuance-
and
it
should
be
the
the
exception
rather
than
the
rule,
that
someone
is
allowed
to
to
get
an
item
continued
to
a
later
date
if
they
haven't
done
their
due
diligence
on
the
front
end.
And
I
think
that
is
something
that
we
can
discuss
further.
If
we
do
have
that
workshop
in
february
and
look
at
what's
working
well
for
other
jurisdictions
and
see
how
it
could
work
for
us.
L
But
it
is
unfortunate
when
you
members
of
the
public
and
staff,
prepare
to
move
forward
with
an
item
only
to
see
it
continued
after
an
hour
and
a
half
or
a
two-hour
hearing.
So
I
think
that
is
worthy
of
of
consideration
and
can
be
addressed
in
the
rules
of
procedures.
I
I
Although
the
maybe
the
vote
happens
on
that
night,
but
to
the
point
you
were
just
making
about
a
decision
that
night,
it's
not
only
unfair
to
the
public
to
do
a
continuous
after
presentation,
it's
unfair
to
all
the
staff
and
us
it's.
It's
also
unfair.
You
all
mentioned
before
to
other
applicants,
especially
with
the
the
backlog
we
have
right
now,
and
so,
if
we,
if
we
put
a
continuance
after
a
presentation,
it
means
we're
bumping.
I
Somebody
else
off
before-
and
it
seems
like
most
of
these
last
minute
continues-
are
because
applicant
did
not
reach
out
to
the
community
and
they're
somehow
blindsided
by
by
community
input,
and
if
we
had
rules
in
place,
maybe
they
would
talk
to
the
community
more
before
and
then
they
wouldn't
be
blindsided
by
that,
and
so
I
would
suggest
that
we
put
in
a
deterrent
to
keep
people
from
doing
asking
for
a
continuance
after
the
presentation-
and
I
would
suggest
and
again
to
be
fair
to
everybody
involved,
and
especially
other
applicants-
is
that
we
say
the
first
you
can
come
back
is
six
months
later
or
some
farther
point
in
the
future.
I
I
I
don't
think
that
they
should
be
able
to
come
back
a
month
later
and
bump
somebody
else
off
the
list,
who's
in
good
faith,
trying
to
promote
their
project
and
they've
done
the
homework
in
advance
to
find
out
what
the
community
thinks.
So
if
it's
possible,
I
don't
know
what
the
rules
are
legal
legal
side,
but
if
we
could
delay
it
three
months
or
six
months
or
more,
there
has
to
be
some
penalty
so
that
people
will
do
the
work
they
should
be
doing
in
advance.
Thank
you.
L
And
certainly
we
can
discuss
the
continuances
in
in
february
during
the
workshop.
My
one
comment
with
regard
to
the
perception
that,
if
an
item
is
continued,
someone
else
is
getting
bumped
off
the
schedule,
abby
and
ryan,
and
I
have
discussed
that
the
any
items
that
are
continued
will
not
bump
a
new
application
off
of
the
schedule
that
they
are
on,
and
I
think
this
is
why
staff
is
recommending.
If
an
item
is
continued,
you
know
those
those
exceptions.
L
If
that
item
is
continued,
continue
it
to
the
second
evening
meeting
of
the
month
that
is
set
aside
for
av
nights
and
generally
has
about
five
slots
open,
I
think,
historically,
a
b
applications.
You
have
three
to
five
scheduled
that
thursday
evening
leaving
five
to
seven
slots
for
other
items,
and
that
could
be
where
those
continued
or
miss
notice
items
get
moved
to
and
then
the
first
evening
meeting
the
month
is
dedicated
solely
for
the
new
applications
that
were
timely,
filed
and
have
been
processed
and
reviewed
by
staff.
I
I
just
add
one
more
thing:
it
seems
like
we,
we
in
those
continuances
that
happened
last
minute.
It
seems
like
also
that
very
often
we
and
I
think
it's
mostly
miss
stinkfelder-
ask
for
the
applicant
to
re-notice
the
public.
But
if
that's
not
a
requirement,
is
it
possible
that
we
could
put
that
requirement
in
that
the
public
would
have
to
be
re-noticed
if
it's
continued.
L
Yeah,
that
would
be
an
amendment
to
our
code.
Chapter
27.
I
think
it's
27
149
that
sets
out
your
notice
requirements.
It
does
identify
and
provide
that
if
an
item
is
continued
to
date,
certain
it's
not
required
to
re-notice
unless
that
is
part
of
the
motion,
so
that
is.
These
are
all
really
great
discussion
points
that
we
could
address
in
february
during
the
workshop.
E
Thank
you
in
regard
to
the
continuances.
I
don't
think
it's
not
one
size
fits
all.
There
are
some
continuances
where
that
are
strategic
on
the
part
of
the
the
applicant
or
the
lawyer
or
the
rep
their
representative,
and
you
can
feel
that
they're,
it's
a
delaying
tactic,
because
because
by
god,
if
if
I
can
continue
this
for
a
couple
of
months-
and
there
will
be
less
people
down
here
and
I'm
just
going
to
wear
them
out,
okay,
I
call
a
spade
a
spade
and
that's
true
and
we
all
know
it.
E
E
You
know,
because
if
you're
just
going
to
continue
it,
so
you
know
so
you
can,
can
you
know
and
and
I'm
assuming
we're
going
to
mandate
some
better
dialogue
in
advance
of
the
first
hearing.
So
so
the
dialogue
part
is
done
with
the
community
and
if
you're
just
going
to
continue
it.
So
I
can
talk
to
more
neighbors.
Then
I
I
don't
think
that's
really
good.
But
if
you're
going
to
continue
it
and
come
back
with
a
material
or
substantive
change,
then
I
think
it's
valid.
L
Yeah
with
the
community
meeting
being,
if
that
is
codified,
and
it's
a
required
part
of
the
process,
perhaps
just
for
the
pd
applications
and
not
the
euclidean,
then
applicants
are
on
notice
of
the
concerns
of
the
neighborhood.
I've
done
many
of
those
meetings.
When
I
did
work
over
in
madeira
beach,
we
walked
into
our
first
public
hearing,
knowing
exactly
what
the
neighborhood
was
saying,
what
they
were
concerned
about,
and
there
was
that
opportunity
to
address
those
concerns.
Before
the
first
hearing.
L
I
think
if
council
were
to
amend
its
rules
of
procedure
to
address
the
issue
of
continuances,
applicants
will
know
to
be
ready
when
they
present
their
case
to
be
ready
for
a
decision
that
night,
with
the
exception
of
those
situations
that
you're
describing
it
right
now.
I
do
get
the
sense,
sometimes
that
we
want
to
see
where
the
hearing
goes,
what
kind
of
feedback
we
get
and
then
we'll
we'll
move
it
out.
L
E
Yeah
some
of
some
of
the
they
don't
have
an
opportunity.
The
applicant
doesn't
have
a
they
have
an
opportunity
to
talk
to
the
community.
They
don't
have
an
opportunity
to
hear
to
talk
to
us
until
that
night.
So
I
think
we
we
don't
want
to
have
an
iron-clad
rule
of
saying
no
contingencies
period,
because
sometimes
there
might
be
something
that
comes
from
up
here,
believe
it
or
not.
That
would
make
that
project
better
and
and
anyway,
I'm
just
throwing
it
all
out
there
february.
L
So
I
I
think
these
are
all
issues
that
can
be
addressed
either
codified
or
addressed
in
the
rules
of
procedure
and
recognizing
when
there's
that
need
for
those
extenuating
circumstances.
Thank
you.
So
you
know
in
preparing
for
today
just
one
final
comment.
I
was
looking
at
your
agenda
for
this
thursday
and
I
think
this
is
an
example
of
what
council
is
struggling
with
and
I
think
at
the
beginning,
stephanie
poyner
commented
on
how
our
population
has
grown
and
how
the
city
has
changed,
and
your
agendas
reflect
that.
L
L
Her
words
were:
we
want
our
code
to
be
predictable
and
understandable,
and
that
is
true,
I
think,
for
everything
at
the
city
and
when
I
look
at
at
this
thursday's
agenda,
you
have
five
commendations
and
two
presentations,
one
by
fdot,
which
I
believe
is
part
of
the
quarterly
presentation
and
then
one
by
the
humane
society
and
yet
at
9.
30.
We've
got
second
readings
on
quite
a
few
comprehensive
plan,
amendments
and
rezonings
and
while
those
typically
go
quickly,
we
still
schedule
them
at
9
30..
L
L
And
last
but
not
least,
we
have
seven
staff
reports
and
those
are
scheduled.
I
think
it's
understood
that
those
start
at
1
30..
It's
I'm
a
very
linear
thinker.
So
when
I
look
at
the
schedule
you
know
I
I
would
say
second
reading,
you
know
if
the
commendations
and
I
like
the
suggestion
that
the
accommodations
be
a
separate
day,
because
that
means
your
nine
o'clock
meeting.
If
you
do
an
average
of
30
minutes
of
public
comment,
your
regular
business
starts
at
9
30.
L
Then
you
could
do
those
second
readings
at
9
30
and
have
them
done
by
10
30.
and
perhaps
at
10
30
you
do
the
staff
reports
or
at
11
o'clock
move
those
to
the
morning
and
the
review
hearings.
I
know
there's
been
discussion
about
moving
them
to
the
evening.
My
concern
with
that
is
you're
already
telling
us
that
your
evening
meetings
are
full
that
your
evening
meetings
are
running
late,
so
I'm
not
sure
why
we
would
want
to
add
a.
L
A
I
think
kate,
mr
miranda
and
field
were
thinking
of
a
of
a
second
day
to
kind
of
take
the
load
down.
I
think
that
was
the
purpose
of
saying
remove
them
for
a
second
day.
I
I
still
contend
when
you,
if
you
remove
the
accommodation
which
would
be
great
but
look
at
the
calendar.
Now
you
get
two
presentations
there
and
they
ain't
ten
minutes.
L
To
another
day,
that
means
your
daytime,
your
handling,
your
consent
agenda,
your
second
readings
and
your
staff
reports,
and
perhaps
then
you
can
schedule
your
review
hearings
for
1
30
in
the
afternoon
and
know
that
you'll
have
enough
time
to
get
through
those
two
review
hearings
that
get
scheduled,
if
not
that
afternoon,
perhaps
as
abby
suggested,
it's
moved
to
the
day
you
you
set
aside
for
commendations
but
to
move
it
to
an
evening.
L
I
would
be
concerned
about
that,
given
the
current
schedule
and
not
not
that
we
can't
have
a
discussion
around
that,
but
I
would
just
ask
council
to
be
sensitive
to
that,
given
how
full
the
evening
meeting
is.
So
that
really
that's
all.
I
wanted
to
talk
about,
certainly
I'm
here
with
susan
johnson,
velez
and
kamaria
pettis
mackel.
So
any
any
questions
that
you
have
any
comments
we're
here
to
help
move.
This
item
forward
did.
I
J
Good
morning,
council
ryan
asks
development
coordination.
I'm
strictly
here
to
answer
any
questions.
I
think
kate
and
abby
answered
most
of
the
questions
council.
Councilman
sitro.
I
know
you
had
a
question
on
the
continuances
that
were
in
the
graph.
I
didn't
break
those
down
specifically
as
councilman
dean
felder
said,
sometimes
there's
those
material
ones
that
do
get
talked
about.
J
Continuing
at
the
hearing,
I
will
say
the
last
few
nights
night
meetings:
we've
had
those
continuance
requests
have
been
coming
in
in
advance
and
I'm
doing
my
best
to
try
to
accommodate
further
dates
to
get
them
out
and
advise
council.
So
we're
not
overbooking,
you
so
with
that
with
that
being
said,
I
mean
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
help
clarify
any
of
the
reports
that
we've
provided
here
today.
A
J
Absolutely
and
council
chair,
I
know
abby
already
said
it,
but
you
know
the
recommendation
that
was
already
approved
for
that
you
know
utilizing
alcohol
nights
to
get
some
of
these
continuances.
J
I
believe,
would
help
that
you
know
we
have
those
10
new
cases
for
rezonings.
We
have
those
three
available
continuing
spots,
but
if
we
were
to
utilize
that
second
tuesday
or
I'm
sorry
thursday
for
those
continued
rezonings,
I
think
it
would
be
easy
to
strain
on
that.
You
know
where
we're
getting
to
the
12
cases,
13
cases
and
then
we're
pushing
the
mouth
months
and
months
for
these
continued
cases
and.
A
Any
further
questions
for
abby,
just
dunny.
K
As
we
work
toward
those
community
meetings,
the
re-noticing
I
I
did
make
a
note
about
the
re-noticing.
I
just
want
to
be
cautious
on
that,
because
if
you
set
a
minimum
of
a
30-day
re-notice,
a
continuance
that
may
have
gone
two
weeks
later
would
then
be
going
potentially
45
days
later.
So
I
I
would
we'll
look
at
that
in
relation
to
what
we
bring
back
in
february,
but
I
I
would
want
to
be
mindful.
K
You
know
our
objective
and
it's
stated
in
the
code
that
we
want
to
get
cases
in
and
out
in
180
days
and
that's
why
you've
seen
lately.
Some
of
them
come
to
you
where
people
are
asking
for
you
to
see
their
extenuating
circumstances
which
gets
them
behind
beyond
180
days.
But
it's
our
our
goal
that
they
get
in
and
they
get
out.
We
don't
let
people
just
kind
of
sit
there
and
the
cases
linger
on.
K
So
I
I
would
just
make
note
of
that
and
then
also
as
you
speak
now
to
what
cases
you'll
hear
on
what
days
and
at
what
times,
I
would
ask
that
you're,
you
know
cognizant
mindful
that
different
staff
within
my
portfolio
serve
when
it's
different
types
of
reviews.
So
eric
comes
during
the
day
for
the
review
hearings.
He
typically
doesn't
come
at
night.
You
know
you
have
the
rezoning
team
that
comes
at
night.
So
by
doing
this,
it
does
have
additional
demands
on
staff's
capacity.
K
So
I
I'm
obviously
here
today
this
is
of
critical
importance
to
all
of
us
as
we
said
it,
and
I
want
to
listen
and
and
would
provide
some
feedback
too,
depending
on
what
avenue
council
desired
to
venture
down
and
setting
those
those
other
hearings.
But
you
know
if
we
talked
about
it
getting
ready
for
today
and
it
was
like
okay
well.
If
we
had
three
nights
of
rezonings,
you
know
that
might
mean
we
have
one
planner
on
one
night
and
one
planner
on
another
night,
but
from
transportation.
K
A
You
all
right,
miss
philly,
I
know
a
while
ago.
I
made
a
motion.
I
think
it's
going
to
come
back
with
the
february
discussions
when,
when
this
council
denies.
A
And
then,
all
of
a
sudden
they,
the
applicant,
goes
and
makes
a
switcheroo
change
to
come
back
to
this
council
when
this
council
has
heard
from
the
community,
whatever
I
think,
we'd
ask
for
that
to
come
back
as
well
in
february.
So
we
want
to
know
because
that's
happening
a
lot
lately
that
we
they
get
a
denial
here
and
all
of
a
sudden
they
go
and
do
something
else,
and
we
don't
know
it
in
the
community
say
well.
How
did
this
happen?
A
You
guys
denied
that
and
they've
been
slick
about
something,
so
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
get
some
recognition
and
some
changes
to
that,
because
I
think,
if
they've
denied,
whatever
reason
they
need
to
be
coming
back
for
this
council
before
seeing
what
what?
What
what
are
their
changes
they
did
make
or
what
what
decisions
that
they
need
to
be
factored
in,
because
that's
been
happening
quite
a
little
a
bit
with
that.
K
We
have,
I
believe,
five
items
already
teed
up
on
that
february
workshop,
and
that
is
one
of
those
items.
C
Well,
council,
just
so
you
have
in
front
of
you,
you
have
the
suggestion,
specifically
council
member
vieira
is
here
who
can
reference
that
himself?
You
have
subjects
from
mr
miranda
and
again,
as
was
said,
mr
miranda
has
cited
standing
rules
to
remind
council
bring
to
your
attention
and
the
last
thing
is
counsel.
C
The
special
discussion
meeting
that
council
had
on
3
29
the
action
items
10
out
of
12
were
agreed
upon
by
council,
but
time
being
a
great
teacher.
Sometimes
it
may
cause
and
should
cause
counsel
to
reevaluate.
Before
you
give
me
specific
directions,
because
that's
one
of
the
reasons
we
held
off
changing
the
rules,
for
instance,
it's
if
you
move
commendations
to
a
separate
day
odds.
Are
you
will
get
to
your
staff
reports
in
the
morning
and
be
done
with
them?
Perhaps
in
the
morning,
therefore,
you
don't
have
to
have
staff
reports
scheduled
for
1
30..
C
So,
just
to
take
a
look
at
those
and
to
recalibrate
exactly
what
council's
pleasure
is
and
again
it's
best,
I
believe,
councilman
vieira
just
stepped
out,
but
to
take
a
look
at
what
some
of
the
suggestions
are,
and
perhaps
council
members
who
didn't
provide
it
in
writing
certainly
have
their
own
suggestions.
Based
on
your
experience
that
you
might
want
to
share.
I
C
Suggestion
I'll
lean
on
you
to
do
that,
I
don't
think
we
can
vote
you
can
if
you
want
to,
with
the
exception
in
terms
of
building
a
consensus.
I
just
note
mr
miranda's
absence
and
because
it's
council's
rules
and
you'll
be
operating,
we
can
build
a
consensus,
but
I
can
prepare
the
list
in
a
decision
point
form
and
that
way.
Mr
miranda
can
also
review
that
and
address
that,
and
we
could
do
that
at
the
next
regular
meeting.
A
C
Well
and
that's
yeah,
but
but
I
just
want
to
also
highlight
the
fact
that
commendations
consist
of
things
that
you've
already
set
with
regard
to
your
processes
with
police
officer
of
the
month,
the
firefighter
of
the
quarter
and
the
atu
employee
of
the
quarter.
Those
are
set
council's
policies.
C
You
can
change
when
you
want
those
to
happen.
Your
rules
state
normally
that
they
should
occur
at
workshops,
but
obviously
that
rule
hasn't
been
followed.
The
other
thing
that
was
also
and
and
as
well
as
highlighted
that
besides
your
commendations,
you
also
have
presentations.
One
of
them
is
set
quarterly
and
that's
the
fda
presentation.
C
That's
coming
up
and,
of
course,
that
engages
a
lot
of
discussion,
and
also
there
are
presentations
that
are
related
presentations
to
presentations
that
are
related
to
things
that
are
not
on
the
agenda
and
those
things
again
are
not
related
to
city
business
they
directly
or
if
they
are,
they
are
not
related
to
a
staff
report,
so
just
be
mindful
that
when
you
state
commendations
also
keep
in
mind
the
effect
that
adding
presentations
by
people
outside
the
city,
what
that
does
to
your
agenda
and
your
control
over
the
time.
So
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
for.
H
H
Don't
need
to
take
up
more
time
on
a
meeting
to
talk
about
saving
time
other
than
to
say
that
I
mean
I
put
out
an
email.
I
I
stand
by
it.
I
think
that
by
doing
that
we
can
save
a
great
deal
of
time
and
the,
and
these
can
be
things
that,
if
there
is
something
a
commendation,
for
example,
on
something
that
must
be
done
in
a
certain
day,
that
can
be
accommodated,
workshops,
etc.
H
Different
things
like
this
can
can
be
accommodated,
but,
as
a
general
rule,
I
think
that
these
will
go
a
long
way
in
terms
of
saving
time,
if
all
that
we
can
agree
on
is
the
commendations.
That's
awesome
that's
great,
but
I
think
we
should
do
something
today.
Thank
you.
M
Thank
you
very
much.
When
I
was
first
selected
in
2015
a
gentleman
told
me,
your
life
will
be
different
now,
meaning
it's
going
to
be
very,
very
busy,
and
for
the
last
six
and
a
half
years
longer
than
that
I've
been
very,
very
busy
getting
into
this
running
for
office.
I
knew
that
it
was
a
full-time
commitment.
This
isn't
a
part-time
job
to
me.
I
don't
care
if
I'm
here
only
on
thursday
or
we're
here,
seven
days
a
week
or
whatever,
whatever
it
takes
to
get
the
job
done.
The
city
is
growing.
M
M
I
appreciate
the
suggestions,
but
I'm
not
here
to
complicate
things
any
further
I'd
like
for
us
to
come
to
a
consensus.
I
think
moving
the
commendations
would
help
significantly
for
those
daytime
meetings.
I
see
the
suggestions
from
council
member
vieira
regarding
leaving
a
police,
atu
and
firefighter
in
place,
but,
like
you
see
this
thursday,
we
have
a.
We
have
a
lot
of
presentations
and
commendations
and
that
right
there
is
going
to
be
two
hours
and
then
we
have
public
comment
which
could
be.
M
Who
knows
how
long
so
I
I
think
moving
it
to
a
different
day
a
month.
You
know
for
some
of
these
commendations
and
presentations
would
be
very,
very
helpful,
because
if
we
free
up
that
time,
we
can
get
to
those
staff
reports
before
lunch
and
other
items
before
lunch,
and
we
won't
be
here
all
day
or
all
day
rolling
into
a
night
meeting
so
that
that
would
be
helpful
in
regards
to
the
night
meetings.
M
If
we
had,
you
know
an
extra
one
a
month,
I
think
that
would
be
beneficial.
The
rest
of
council
may
not
agree
with
that,
but
at
least
two
me,
but
maybe
even
temporarily,
until
we
catch
up,
because
I
think
we're
just
falling
behind
our
our
agenda
items
are
between
10
and
13.
They
don't
always
have
to
be
that
way,
but
perhaps
it's
a
it's
a
temporary
situation
that
we
had
another
night
meeting
until
we
catch
up
to
that
if
we
even
get
caught
up.
But
those
are
just
my
suggestions.
I
And
I
just
want
to
thank
everybody
for
putting
forward
their
ideas.
We
may
not
exactly
agree
on
all
these
ideas,
and
one
of
the
reasons
of
doing
this
is
that
we
all
have
a
different
perspective.
We
can
throw
the
ideas
out
and
try
to
see
where
we
end
up.
I
don't
agree
with
the
idea
of
adding
another
night
meeting.
I
think
there
are
efficiencies
that
we
can
find
to
try
to
to
try
to
work
on
this.
I
think
we
need
to
be
careful
about
adding
additional
meetings
because
it's
confusing
the
public.
I
It
also
is
a
it
takes
a
lot
of
more
time
from
the
public
and
it
takes
a
lot
of
staff
time
and
others,
of
course,
we're
willing
to
go
to
wherever
we
can
or
need
to
go,
but
and-
and
we
are
busy
in
the
times-
we're
not
in
council
we're
busy
meeting
with
constituents
and
working
on
other
issues
in
the
community,
but
I
think
adding
additional
meetings
is
is
complicated
for
a
lot
of
reasons.
I
I
Also
the
economy
is
booming
right
now,
at
some
point,
the
economy
is
not
going
to
be
booming
and
we
won't
have
to
add
any
additional
meetings,
and
so,
if
we
do
something,
I
think
we
ought
to
look
at
it
as
a
three-month
or
six-month
solution
to
try
to
get
through
the
backlog
and
then
not
make
it
a
permanent
thing.
I
But
we
have
to
be
careful
because
the
public
has
an
expectation
that
we're
going
to
meet
on
thursdays
and
if
we
suddenly
start
doing
meetings
like
this,
it's
really
hard
for
the
public
to
understand
that
we're
going
to
do
this
and
no
matter
what
channels
we
use
people
are
not
going
to
see
it.
Plus
people
have
a
hard
time
getting
there
because
of
their
families,
etc.
I
I
agree
with
everyone's
comments
on
the
accommodation,
but
here's
how
I
think
about
it.
I
don't
think
we
should
do
another
day.
I
think
we
should
just
limit
them
and
there
was
a
proposal
to
limit
them
to
a
certain
number
per
year.
I
think
we
ought
to
limit
them
to
four
per
council
member
per
year.
I
think
there
are
way
too
many
commendations
and
that's
the
problem
with
it.
If
we
limit
it
to
four
per
council
person
per
year,
it
not
only
limits
the
time,
but
it
makes
them
a
lot
more
important.
I
If
we
only
have
four
to
give
out,
then
the
people
receiving
them
know
that
this
is
not
just
something
that
we
hand
out
as
a
piece
of
paper.
It's
something
really
important.
We
only
have
four
that
we
can
give
out
per
year
and
if
you
want
to
choose
five
or
three,
it
doesn't
matter,
but
when
we
get
up
to
10
each
or
some
larger
number,
then
it's
not
as
important
and
significant
anymore.
I
I
So
that's
like
one
every
other
week,
but
but
still
it
limiting
them
makes
them
seem
more
important.
I
agree
with
the
point
that
we
need
to
limit
the
number
of
workshops
and
the
number
of
presentations,
and
similarly
maybe
it
should
be
one
per
one
per
person
per
workshop
or
a
certain
number
per
year
that
we're
limited
to
even
if
we
had
one
per
person
per
workshop.
I
That's
still
seven
per
workshop,
that's
still
too
many,
so
we
need
to
have
a
overall
limit
of
the
number
that
can
be
covered
in
the
workshop
and
we
need
to
have
an
overall
limit
of
the
number
of
presentations,
but
I
think
we
should
have
a
limit
for
each
of
us
per
year.
These
are
some
of
the
most
important
discussions
we
have,
but
still
we
should
limit,
except
under
special
circumstances.
I
We
should
limit
the
number
also
we
I
don't
remember
how
many
months
have
this,
but
there
are
some
months
that
have
five
thursdays
and
we
typically
don't
have
meetings
on
those
thursdays
and
if
we
just
added
those
thursdays,
that
would
add
some
additional
time
and
we
could
maybe
even
do
that
on
a
permanent
basis
or
doing
a
six
month
basis.
I
The
5
pm,
I
don't
know
why
we
do
501
instead
of
5,
but
5
pm,
I
think,
is
a
good
idea.
It
helps
us
get
out
early,
helps
the
staff
get
out
early.
I
think
we
should
make
that
permanent,
but
that
will
help
us
get
through
all
of
these.
If
we
again
I'm
against
setting
up
separate
meetings.
One
reason
why
I'm
against
setting
up,
for
example,
a
tuesday
accommodation
meeting,
is
that
the
benefit
to
the
people
getting
the
accommodation
is
that
the
public's
watching?
I
Well,
if
it's
on
a
tuesday
morning,
the
public
doesn't
know
to
watch,
and
so,
if
they're
only
going
to
be
able
to
replay
the
video
to
their
friends,
then
we
may
we
could
do
it
anytime,
but
if
we're,
if
we're
going
to
do
it
in
a
separate
meeting,
I
think
tuesday
morning
is
a
good
idea.
That's
all
I
have
thank
you.
A
Are
we
going
to
be
finally
helping
with
them
so
I'll
give
you
a
chance
beer?
I
just
want
to
put
that
in
and
miss
carl's
made
a
lot
of
points
there,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
when
I
sit
back,
I
look
at
the
list
and
I
go
and
I
look
my
eyes
on
each
council
members.
I
know
I've
been
open,
for
I
can
do
several
accounts.
Remember
before
I
just
know
several
comments.
Sometimes
sometimes
we
talk
to
them
only
comment
a
lot
of
different
issues.
A
J
J
It
doesn't
just
automatically
start
right
back
up.
It
has
to
go
through
a
series
of
phases
before
it
can
get
up
and
running.
You
have
to
put
in
passwords
programs
have
to
start
back
up
some
computers
like
apples
defrag,
so
that
everything
is
set
and
ready
for
you
to
start
work.
It
doesn't
happen
immediately
and
covet
has
changed
our
society
and
we're
restarting.
J
J
Now,
I'm
not
sure
if
we
can
have
these
next
two
months
until
after
the
first
of
the
year
to
do
a
trial
basis
to
make
sure
that
they're
working
for
us
and
then
after
the
first
the
year,
put
them
as
our
rules
and
procedures.
But
if
we're
going
to
make
changes,
let's
adhere
to
them,
let's
stick
to
them
and
let's
make
sure
that
they
are
in
our
so-called
rules
and
procedures.
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
steve.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
could
you
put
up
on
the
overhead
under
the
staff
slides
the
recommendation.
E
Even
though
they
might
not
feel
it
all
the
time,
I
respect
our
zoning
staff
tremendously
and
and
and
I
want
to
give
them
praise
for
all
their
hard
work.
E
Including
this
recommendation,
you
know
it's
sort
of,
it
is
a
moving
target.
I
think
mr
carlson
indicated
talked
about
the
the
economy.
I've
been
here
through
a
couple
of
cycles
back
in
2003
2004,
we
were
in
the
same
kind
of
cycle
abby.
You
remember
some
of
the
others
who
were
here
remember
it
was
just
it
was
very.
It
was
so
similar
to
this.
E
It
was
crazy
and
there
was
so
much
going
on
and
so
many
you
know,
plant
amendments
and
and
rezonings,
etc,
and
then,
of
course,
the
recession
came
and
kind
of
went
down,
and
that
sort
of
thing-
and
now
here
we
are
back
up
again
and
I
got
a
feeling
as
you
and
as
you
alluded
to
bill,
it
might
not.
Last
forever
seems
like
people
want
to
move
here
and,
and
with
that
comes
a
lot
of
rezonings,
so
so
anyway,
for
now,
I
think
we
can
only.
E
We
can
only
presume
that
we're
going
to
be
in
this
busy
state
for
quite
a
while,
but
I
think
staff's
recommendations
are
very
sound.
I
think
that
the
501
start
has
helped.
E
It's
helped
get
us
out
earlier
and
I
think
the
other
chart
that
abby
put
up
that
shows
over
the
last
two
months
or
so,
since
we've
been
doing
that
that
we
have
been
getting
out
at
a
reasonable
time
and-
and
I
can
tell
you
I
for
one-
have
tried
to
cut
back
on
some
of
my
questions
and
and
and
not
be
as
lengthy,
be
out
of
respect
for
the
hour
of
the
night,
and
I
will
continue
to
do
that.
E
I
don't
mind
all
this
ceremonial
stuff,
the
the
commendations
are
very
nice
and
they're
very
well
deserved
from
the
various
people
that
all
of
us
bring
in
especially
mr
vieira,
but
but
louis
I
I
I
respect
that
because
you're
out
there
in
the
community
and
you're,
you
know
you're
plugged
into
so
many
different
organizations
and
you
bring
in
these
good
people.
And
I
respect
that.
So
I
don't
know
that
we
should
be
cutting
those
out
or
cutting
those
back.
E
But
I
think
we
should
have
a
ceremonial
morning
to
do
that
and
and
to
include
the
officer
of
the
month,
the
firefighter
the
other
quarter
and
the
atu
of
the
month
as
well.
I
think
that
I
don't
know.
I
think
that
that
that
those
ceremonial
activities
should
be
consolidated
into
one
very
pleasant
upbeat
morning
that
doesn't
conflict.
That
doesn't
that's
not
constrained
and
that's
what
I
think,
mr
chairman
hand
in
hand
with
that.
I
gotta
and
I
love
you.
You
know
that
I've
got
to
point
out
something
that
you're
doing.
E
That
is
a
little
bit
different
than
your
predecessors,
and
I
know
you're
doing
it
out
of
a
good
heart,
but
it
does
take
extra
time
is
on
these
ceremonial
items.
You
you
want
to
hit
each
one
of
us.
Okay
and
that's
new.
Your
predecessors
just
said:
are
there
any
councilmen
who'd
like
to
speak,
and
so,
and
sometimes
it
was
six,
and
sometimes
it
was
just
two.
You
know.
E
There's
there's
folks
that
lewis
or
bill
might
bring
in
here
that
I
don't
really
know
them
and
I
can
read
their
story
and
that
sort
of
thing,
but
I
don't
really
have
anything
to
say,
but
the
minute
you
call
on
me,
okay,
I
feel
the
need
to
say
something
because
you
don't
want
to
be
the
jerk
that
doesn't
say
something
nice
to
that
person.
But
I
I
just
want
to
point
that
out
because
you
you,
you
have
a
good
heart
and
you
want
to
respect
all
of
us.
It
does
take.
E
It
does
add
time
and
I've
been
hesitant
to
say
that.
But
but
I'm
just
you.
E
A
D,
film,
you
know
when,
when
people
come
before
this
this
council-
and
they
have
a
chance
to
be
on
tv
and
to
get
an
accolade,
it's
a
big
thing
to
some
community
leaders,
and
I
just
feel
remiss
if
you
have
a
counsel
up
here
and
one
guy
says
something
nice
to
that
citizen
versus
this
whole
council
saying
wonderful
job.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
Thank
you
for
what
you
do.
A
I
A
E
It's
not
as
big
a
deal
because
we
have
the
time
we've
got
three
hours
to
do
it.
You
know
whatever,
but
on
regular
mornings,
when
we
got
a
schedule
that
I
can't
remember,
kate
pointed
out
or
abby
pointed
out
this.
This
coming
thursday
is
just
mind-boggling.
You
know
that
just
our
daytime
schedule
and.
A
E
And
I'm
not
making
a
big
deal
about
it
and,
like
I
said
you
know,
you
know
how
I
feel
about
you
so
anyway,
I
think
we
should.
I
think
there
are
two
main
things
that
I
think
we
should
do
is
I
think
we
should
figure
out
what
an
appropriate
ceremonial
day
and,
by
the
way,
my
wife
who's
been
watching
this
council
for
a
long
long
time
going
back
to
the
80s
when
she
was
a
tv
reporter
and
covering
this
council.
A
E
Tuesdays
and
thursdays-
I
don't
know
if
you
remember
that
on
orlando,
but
they
met
on
tuesdays
and
thursdays
back
in
the
day
and
then
at
some
point
they
decided
they
could
consolidate
everything
into
thursdays.
So
you
know
with
that
said.
I
think
this.
If
we
set
up
a
ceremonial
day,
I
think
it
will
help
unclog
our
regular
thursdays
other
than
that.
E
I
think
the
recommendations
of
of
staff
are
sound
and
and
and
I'd
like
to
see
us
pull
some
of
those
appeal
hearings
out
of
the
morning
and
put
them
somewhere
else
into
it
into
an
evening,
but
I'm
not.
I
don't
feel
overwhelmingly
strong
about
that.
But
thank
you.
Mister
and
again,
you
know
you
know
where
I'm
coming
from.
I
said
that.
A
E
Know
yeah
do
we
have
to
don't
we
in
regard
to
mr
sieger
has
comments
in
mr
miranda's
memorandum.
E
A
All
right,
mr
shelby,
I
want
to
give
you
some
points
to
take
down
and
then
we're
going
to
see
if
council
wants
to
wait
for
mr
miranda
says
these
are
some
possible
critical
changes
number
one.
Let's
see
if
we
want
to
look
at
the
recommendations
that
has
been
sent
by
staff
by
ms
feedly.
It's
on
the
the
screen
now
two
a
day
a
separate
day
for
the
ceremonials
ceremonies.
A
C
The
the
rule
that
was
discussed
that
council
agreed
upon
as
a
result
of
the
special
discussion
meeting
on
march
29th
was
that
public
comment
up
to
14
speakers.
They
got
three
minutes
each.
If
there
were
15
or
more
speakers,
it
went
to
two
minutes
each.
That
was
only
done
once,
mr
chairman,
and
after
that
time
I
believe,
council
decided
to
put
that
rule
in
obeying
pending
discussion.
There.
C
Those
speakers
remaining
after
the
allotted
time
shall
have
the
opportunity
to
address
city
council
at
the
end
of
the
meeting.
There
are
a
couple
of
issues
about
that
that
when
you
talk
about
cmt
those
people
who
sign
up
to
talk
about
something
that
perhaps
is
not
on
the
agenda,
who
have
to
wait.
That's
up
to
the
clerk
to
manage
those
people
subject
to
the
course
of
the
entire
meeting
the
benefit
to
cmt
during
the
state
of
emergency.
C
Is
you
try
to
get
this
out
of
the
way
as
much
as
possible,
with
the
exception
of
public
hearing,
so
that
complicates
things.
The
other
thing
that
we
had
attempted
to
do
at
one
point
many
years
ago
was
to
follow
the
the
procedures
over
at
the
county
commission,
where
speakers
actually
filled
out
speaker
cards
similar
to
what
they
do
suling
now
online,
when
they
sign
up
to
pre-register,
is
that
right?
E
C
E
If
we
we
we've
had
a
30-minute
mandate
or
30-minute
limit,
we
used
to
enforce
it,
but
I
don't
know
when
they
adopted
the
statute,
but
now
it
seems
to
me
that
this
statute
basically
would
over
override
that
30-minute
mandate
or
30-minute
limit,
because
if
there
is
50
people-
and
they
all
say,
I
want
to
speak
to
that
legislative
item.
That's
on
your
you
know
you
can
your
consent
agenda
or
whatever
or
that
purchasing
item
or
whatever
it
is
right.
That's
on
there.
All
50
of
them
have
a
right
to
speak.
E
C
And
I
believe
it
is
a
2014
rule,
if
I
recall
correctly,
but
or
is
it
2016.
either
way?
C
The
point
is
yes
that
does
you
do
have
to
give
the
people
the
opportunity
doing
so
does
not
necessarily
avoid
it,
but
the
truth
of
the
matter
is,
and
by
the
way,
I
should
point
out
that
long
before
ten
years
before
that
was
required
by
the
legislature,
council
changed
its
rules
to
be
consistent
with
that,
because
that's
best
practice,
so
so
the
florida
law
required
every
municipality
to
do
what
tampa
had
been
doing
for
many
years,
because
you
know
your
your
commitment
to
transparency
and
fairness,
especially
with
regard
to
public
participation.
C
You
know
is,
is
is
second
to
none
frankly.
So
in
that
sense,
yeah,
speaker,
wave
speaker
cards
can
actually
create
a
different
kind,
and
I
can
I
haven't
done
this
in
a
long
time.
There
was
a
process
years
ago
that
there
was
concerns
about
the
clerk
having
to
be
responsible
for
all
those
cars,
but
now,
with
everything
being
virtual,
there
are
things
that
could
perhaps
be
done
online.
C
It
may
require
tni
to
get
involved
in
that,
but
specifically
specifically
to
your
question:
if
council
sets
forth
aspirationally
what
it
wants
to
accomplish,
we
can
provide
the
processes
to
allow
that
to
happen.
So
it's
just
clear
on
what
council
wants
to
do.
Certainly
if
15
people
show
up
but
see
the
thing
is-
and
this
has
happened
when
there's
something
very
pressing
in
the
community
and
the
second
floor
or
tampa
convention
center
was
filled
with
people.
C
A
I
think
mr
shelby,
in
this
day
and
age,
and
the
way
public
comments
been
going,
we
we've
always
succeeded.
30
minutes,
I
mean
so
to
me
something
that's
there
we're
not
even
following
because
we
haven't
had
a
chance
to
follow,
because
sometimes
we
get
a
number
of
people
here
and
we're
over
30
minutes.
C
And
the
question
is
when,
when
do
you
want
them
to
speak,
because
there
was
a
time
frankly
that
council
did
have
a
rule
that
had
people
speak
at
the
end
of
a
meeting?
As
a
matter
of
fact,
many
years
ago
going
maybe
on
20
years
ago,
those
were
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
and
the
tv
cameras
were
turned
off
and
they
weren't
even
televised
at.
C
C
Some
of
the
way
what
happens
situationally
is
somebody
picks
something
on,
let's
say
the
public
safety
committee
and
no
matter
what
the
public
safety
item
is,
can
somehow
become
three
minutes
on
something
tangentially
related
to
the
item.
So
people
know
and
that's
what
happened
when
we
tried
to
limit
things
to
just
what
the
items
on
the
agenda
are
miraculously
they
turned
into
things
that
went
beyond
what
the
agenda
was,
and
the
question
then
is:
do
you
then
stop
them?
A
H
I
I
don't
have
an
objection.
It
may
say
something
real
quick,
if
I
may,
which
is
you
know,
councilman
carlson
made
some
comments
that
I
think
are
really
good
in
terms
of
the
the
spirit
of
them,
which
is,
I
don't
know,
there's
a
saying.
I
don't
know
if
I
made
it
up,
but
it's
that
you
can't
change
people,
but
you
can
make
them
tame
their
excesses
and
I
think
we
we
maybe
a
lot
of
us-
have
to
tame
our
excesses
whenever
it
comes
to
not
only
commendations
staff
reports
comments.
H
Councilman
ding
felder
talked
about
talking
less
in
lane
juice
hearings.
Nobody
was
expecting
that
by
the
way,
I'm
just
saying
hey,
we
all
got.
We
all
got
our
excesses.
You
know
I
personally
favor
one
more
day
for
for
commendation
so
long
as
they're
done
responsibly
and
I
think
and
and
councilman
carlson
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
sir,
I
think
you
were
talking
about
commendations
within
council,
not
outside
of
council,
correct
yeah.
That's
what
I
thought
so
something
of
that
nature.
H
I
I'd
have
no
objection
to
whatsoever
and
then
in
terms
of
having
more
meetings
just
for
general
counsel,
outside
of
accommodations,
like
councilman
carlson,
strongly
opposed
to
that
you
know.
If,
if,
if
you're
you
got
a
size
34
waist
and
over
two
years
you
go
up
to
size,
40
the
the
answer
to
that
is
not
to
buy
size.
42,
it's
go
down
to
size,
36.,
so.
H
E
H
Do
I
know
I
I
got
the
the
covet
tenant
like
I
said
the
ubereats
15,
so
yeah.
J
C
You're
right,
I
just
want
to
point
out
something
that
I
believe
has
been
very
effective.
It
was
a
discussion
that
was
recommended
by
the
chief
of
staff
and
I
think
it's
been
very
successful
where
you
have
these
staff
reports
that
are
handled
by
a
a
report-
a
memorandum
that
comes
out
in
advance
of
that
and,
mr
chairman,
for
the
small
amount
of
time
that
you
invest
going
through
those
to
see.
C
If
you
can
relieve
staff
from
the
need
for
presence
to
have
your
questions
answered,
even
with
regard
to
even
the
the
necessity
to
come
in
for
an
item
over
three
million
dollars.
That
has
really
cut
down
the
amount
of
appearances
and
the
amount
of
time
spent
with
staff
and
allows
you
to
move
the
business
that
much
quicker.
So
I
think
just
to
recognize
council
and
to
recognize
the
effect
that
that's
having.
I
think
that
has
really
been
for
the
amount
of
time
that
you
invest
up
front
in
the
housekeeping.
E
A
E
I
I
agree
with
that,
mr
vieira
and-
and
I
too
have
to
leave
in
a
few
minutes,
but
but
in
regard
to
some
of
your
other
items
on
your
memo,
I
just
wanted
to
say
when
you
talk
about
no
council,
members
should
have
more
than
two
workshops
on
a
particular
workshop.
The
problem
is
is,
for
example,
this
workshop
that
that
abby
was
talking
about
in
february.
You
know
at
the
at
the.
E
F
E
If
a
particular
council
member
started
monopolizing
the
workshops
with
with
his
with
his
own
agenda,
you
know,
then
I
think
that
would
be
different,
but
I
don't.
I
don't
really
think
that
that's
happening
at
least
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge
that
can
be
corrected.
If
I'm
wrong
and
similarly
staff
reports,
I
don't
think
we
could.
I
don't
know
if
we
should
have
a
limit
on
on
staff
reports.
E
Sometimes
I
mean
maybe
it's
aspirational
again.
You
know
five
five
or
six
is
probably
a
good
number
because
they
do
take
some
time,
especially
if,
if
they
go
beyond
a
written
report,
but
but
again
it
should
be
aspirational
because
sometimes
there's
urgent
things
that
need
to
get
need
to
get
fleshed
out
quickly,
but.
A
E
Yeah,
I
think
so
too,
in
the
administrative
update
twice
a
month.
I
think
that
currently
we
have
the
administration
I'll
update
twice
a
month,
because
we
have
two
regular
meetings
twice
a
month.
E
I
Even
if
it's
even
if
it's
aspirational,
I
think
we
ought
to
try
to
limit
in
the
area
of
accommodations
workshops
and
presentations.
I
We
ought
to
limit
the
number
that
each
council
member
is
allowed
to
to
put
in
that
way,
we'll
focus
on
the
ones
that
are
really
important
and
and
to
the
point
earlier
about
releasing
staff
on
staff
reports,
that's
great
for
the
ones
where
the
the
written
report
suffices,
but
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
in
a
rush
when
we
get
the
one
that
needs
to
be
discussed,
and
the
good
thing
about
this
council
is
that
one
of
the
big
complaints
we
get
is
that
our
meetings
go
long.
I
But
one
of
the
reasons
is
that
we're
not
also
not
a
rubber
stamp
city
council
and
the
public
appreciates
the
fact
that
we
discuss
issues
even
though
it's
a
pain
of
staff
to
pull
issues
from
the
consent
agenda.
Sometimes
we
discuss
them
thoroughly.
We
open
up
the
information
to
the
public,
the
public
has
information
on
it
at
full
information
and
then
and
then
we're
able
to
make
decisions.
I
C
And
mr
chairman
and
and
I
appreciate
as
well
as
bringing
this
to
my
attention
before
you
all
leave-
we
have-
and
I'm
sure
ms
lucas
is
aware
of
this-
that
we
have
this
thursday.
Three
review
hearings
that
four
review
hearings
that
have
yet
to
be
scheduled,
because
we
wanted
to
have
a
discussion
and
have
some
directions
when
we
come
back
this
thursday.
When
should
those
hearings
be
scheduled,
should
they
be
scheduled
for
a
a
commendation
day
in
january,
or
should
they
be
scheduled
for
1
30
in
the
afternoon
starting
in
january?
C
What
would
they
normally
be
scheduled
for
10
30
on
10
30.,
but
I
mean
what,
in
november
december,
no
right
now
you're
all
the
way
booked
till
when
sooling
now
at
least
january
or
february,
uh-huh,
okay,
and
that
those
are
for
mind
you,
our
review
hearing
is
when
somebody
came
in
to
get
a
development
order
and
for
whatever
reason
it's
now
frozen
until
council
hears
it.
So
the
council's
action
is
the
resolution
so
putting
it
off
several.
E
L
Sure,
kate,
wells
chief
assistant
city
attorney
with
regard
to
the
review
hearings,
adding
them
to
an
evening
meeting,
which
would
be
the
a
b
night
staff
is
asking,
and
I
agree
with
the
recommendation
that
we
keep
that
night
open
for
continued
rezonings
and
miss
noticed
rezonings
to
add
those
to
the
evening.
L
L
E
C
I
H
H
Fast,
I
mean
I'm
I'm
for
it,
but
I
I
I
think
councilman
carlson
and
I
and
councilman
I
guess
well,
everybody
works,
but
I'm
very
sensitive
to
the
fact
that
we
have
a
person
here,
who's,
a
professional,
so
I
mean
listen
all
I
came
up
with
a
darn
idea,
I'll
support
it,
but
just
just
making
note
I
don't
want
to
burden
someone
who's
in
public
office
professionally,
otherwise
or
whatnot,
but
I
think
it's
a
good
idea.
I'm
I'm
thinking
out
loud,
which
is
never
intelligent.
I'm
gonna
turn
off
my
mind.
I
The
other
thing
is
that,
as
I
said
earlier,
the
purpose
of
getting
accommodations
is
so
that
the
people
can
be
seen
by
the
public,
but
if
it's
not
on
a
thursday,
probably
25
percent
of
the
people
are
going
to
see
it.
It's
not
is
good
for
the
recipients
either.
I
think
it's
better
to
reduce
the
number
of
accommodations
that
way
we
elevate
the
importance
of
them
instead
of
giving
lots
away.
E
E
I
guess
I
don't
have
to
worry
about
night
meetings
on
tuesday
so
anyway,
ceremonial
day
on
a
tuesday
morning
at
nine
o'clock
in
the
morning,
that
would
include
not
only
commendations
but
also
the
other
ceremonial
activities
that
we
have,
including
employee
of
the
month,
employee
of
the
quarter,
etc.
B
Can
we
I
give
a
recommendation,
maybe
the
week
of
the
cra,
so
that
way
it's
not
in
the
same
week
of
a
regular
session.
So
you
won't
have
too
much
going
on
in
the
same
week
and
we
can.
E
K
E
E
C
And
by
the
way,
council,
just
one
when
and
the
clerk
has
been
very
good
about
planning
this
year's
calendar
with
regard
to
the
fifth
tuesdays,
there
are
two
fifth
tuesdays
next
year
in
2022,
I
believe
in
march
and
september
that
was
an
issue
that
was
raised,
but
also
one
of
the
things
that
we
had
to
deal
with
to
play
catch
up
was
to
have
full
regular
meetings
and
night
meetings.
C
Normally
when
the
council
and
the
clerk
would
agree
that,
when
the
count
the
calendar
is
planned,
when
there's
a
day
meeting
of
regular
business,
we
have
tried
to
not
schedule
any
night
meeting.
The
night
meetings
were
only
on
the
second
and
the
fourth
which
coincided
with
cra
days
in
the
morning
and
workshops
in
the
morning
on
the
fourth,
because.
E
B
E
E
A
A
I
Yeah
just
to
the
review
hearing
idea:
it's
if
we
add
them,
the
staff's
already
said
not
to
do
this,
but
if
we
add
them
it's
going
to
be
very
confusing
to
the
public,
and
so
I
definitely
think
we
should
not
do
that.
Mr
ding
feller
could
could.
Could
you
please
modify
your
motion
to
put
a
time
limit
on
it?
I
think
we
be.
I
I
think
this
is
a
temporary
situation
that
we're
facing
and
that
we
should
just
maybe
do
it
through
june
next
year
and
then
revisit
it
or
we
can
revisit
it
in
april
or
something
to
see
if
we
want
to
extend
it
beyond
june,
but
I
think
that
this
backlog
is
going
to
is
going
to
be
run
through
by
march
or
april.
Okay,.
I
Six
months
news
we're
talking
about
the
series
I'm
talking
about
the
ceremonial
thing.
If
we're
going
to
add
an
extra
half
day
and
by
the
way
for
the
public
to
know,
we
spend
the
days
leading
up
to
the
meetings
meeting
with
staff
and
meeting
with
the
public
to
hear
their
concerns
about
issues
that
we're
addressing.
So
it's
not
like
we're
working
or
not
working
for
the
city,
where
it's
just
whether
we're
doing
another
meeting.
C
Well,
the
only
thing
is
in
terms
of
planning
your
calendar
ahead
and
the
clerk
is
planning
the
calendar
for
next
year.
Now
then,
also,
even
and
I
know
how
much
work,
for
instance,
council
member
citroen
goes
through
planning
the
working
with
the
departments
to
be
able
to
coordinate
all
of
these
things
in
advance,
so
that
they're
on
the
calendars
and
all
that
pre-planning
is
necessary
for
doing
it
right.
So
you
it
so
when
you
say
between
now
till
june,
it
really
is
between
now
till
march
or
february
or
march.
I
C
I
Already
done
the
the
schedule
for
the
first,
almost
the
first
half
of
next
year,
and
this
isn't
on
it
so
they're
going
to
have
to
change
it
anyway,
I
mean
we
could
say
that
in
april,
we're
going
to
revisit
it
whether
we
want
to
continue
beyond
june,
but
I
don't
see
why
we
should
do
something
permanent,
that
that
is
to
solve
a
short-term
problem.
J
We
not
only
have
to
deal
with
the
officer
of
the
month,
the
firefighter
of
the
quarter,
the
atu
of
the
quarter,
but
we're
also
asking
all
these
people
that
come
and
give
their
accolades
both
in
gift
certificates
and
whatnot
that
they're
having
to
switch.
I
will,
I
will
say
yes,
that
the
people
that
we
give
commendations
to
for
their
great
deeds
in
the
community
put
them
on
a
separate
day:
police
fire
atu.
E
Okay,
if
I
could
respond,
you
recognized
him.
I've
been
watching
the
time
that
police
and
fire
and
atu
has
that
it's
grown
from
10
minutes.
What
used
to
be
10
or
15
minutes
and
has
grown
into
like
a
half
hour
because
they
deserve
it,
etc,
etc.
But
my
intent
speaks
to
ceremonial
activities
and
and
that
that
includes
not
only
the
regular
accommodations
to
citizens,
well,
well-deserving
citizens,
but
also
police,
fire
and
atu.
That
was
it
as
the
intent.
E
B
I've
just
been
informed
of
the
calendar,
it
looks
like
hpc
after
march
does
have
the
meeting
room
until
let
me
see
starting
in
march,
starting
in
april.
They'll
have
the
second
two.
C
A
Please
restate
the
motion
it's
going
on.
I
want
to
be
able
to
get
about
12
30..
Let's
take
this
one
get
out
of
here
right
so.
E
E
A
A
B
I
H
M
A
Okay,
gentlemen,
just
like
I
said,
let's,
we
had
some
fine
things
on
the
print
you
know.
So,
if
that's
the
case,
let's
kind
of
hear
just
some
of
the
rules
for
everybody,
okay,
miss
shelby
anything
else,
sir.