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Tampa City Council AM 01282021 Pt.1

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Testing one two.

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This is so, let's make a deal to keep an open mind.

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Testing testing testing testing testing.

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Thank you are those guys still.

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I wasn't gonna cut, lewis hair looks good. I was just gonna, let it you know.

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I like that and then I'm like I gave up.

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No, but it looks good I was you know I like that, but.

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Eric can vote by camera as long as there's four people here.

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Are we broadcasting what or um is is the um webinar live.

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Eric can you hear me.

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Yes, I can hear you all right. Let me know when you're all ready.

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Can we begin.

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Are we good all right all right, we're good to go.

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Okay, I'll start broadcast all right go ahead.

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The broadcast is now starting. All attendees are in listen, only mode.

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I'd like to go ahead and call this tampa city council meeting to order before I begin welcome.

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Home we haven't been here since uh last spring. I know it's a completely different setup, but.

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Here we are back in the safest way that we could. We could do mr shelby go ahead. Sir.

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Thank you, mr chairman. Good morning, members of city, council, martin shelby city council attorney.

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As chairman mattis galco said, we are here at old city hall. Today is thursday january 28.

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2021 and this meeting to remind the members of the public.

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uh This workshop is taking place during a declared state of emergency, it's being conducted with.

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A live in-person quorum of the city council present in the city council chambers, however,.

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Excuse me eric: are you able to hear me no.

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Can you hear me yeah, we can hear you.

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Okay, well we'll get this going and see how this works uh in response to the covet 19 restrictions.

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Members of the public are encouraged to participate virtually through teleconferencing.

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Referred to by florida statutes and rules as communications, media technology or cmt.

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And these meetings are held in accordance with the emergency rules of procedures adopted by.

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Resolution number 220 dash 225 is amen, amended by resolution number 220-490 and, as may be amended by.

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City council, the public and the citizens of the city of tampa are able to watch this meeting and.

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View it on cable tv spectrum, channel 640, frontier channel 15 and uh from on the internet as.

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Viewed at tampa.gov forward, slash live stream and I'm trying to talk directly into this microphone.

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Somebody is, I believe, hearing this garbled, so I just want to bring that to the.

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Take people's attention members of the public are able to virtually participate in this meeting and.

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It all is available for the public to learn about it at the tampa.

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Dot gov forward, slash city council, one word website, tampa dot, gov forward, slash city council.

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I should point out that those who wish to participate at city hall will do so.

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Using cmt, in other words, they will use virtual technology, which is located on the second floor.

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Those individuals who do not have access to a communications media device and do not.

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Pre-Register register in advance have the option of coming to city hall during the hybrid live.

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Virtual meeting and participating using cmt, please note that the use of masks and social distancing.

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Inside the building are required, all written material that have been received.

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For today's workshop have been distributed to city council and I have nothing further, mr chairman, I.

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Turn the meeting back to you and city council. Thank you. Thank you very much. Roll call please.

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Ding felder vieira here sea trail here, goods here, carlson.

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Maniscalco here all righty, um we go to the invocation uh councilmember.

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Carlson, if you would like to introduce your guest today, yes, thank you, sir.

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Well, thank you councilman for inviting me to join me this morning. Let me introduce you real.

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Fast, sorry, I want to make sure you're on there um rabbi joel simon uh began his rabbinic career.

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At congregation, sheriff's edict in 2007, as the assistant rabbi under rabbi, richard bernholtz,.

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And after a brief hiatus outside philadelphia, he returned to become senior rabbi of the 1200.

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Family congregation in 2018 upon rabbi, bernhardt's retirement rabbi, simon, is the chair of the tampa.

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Rabbinical association and sits on the board of the judeo-christian health clinic he and his wife.

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Live in carrollwood with their two children now five and three and a half. Thank you, sir. Please.

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Lead our invocation all right, please stand and remain standing for the pledge afterwards,.

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Well, thank you councilman carlson, for inviting me to join you this morning. I don't know.

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If that's, why you invited me, but today is actually the minor jewish holiday to spot.

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Originally a tax day, it has become the jewish arbor day a day to celebrate, trees and nature.

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Most rabbi's favorite story to tell on is that of a pony a rabbi two thousand years ago, who.

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The talmud tells us was walking down the road one day when he saw an old man planting a carrot.

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Tree pony said to the man: how many years will this tree need to produce fruit.

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And the man answered 70 years honey said: do you really think that you will be alive in 70 years.

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And the man answered when I was born, I found carob trees already in the world planted by my ancestors.

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Just as my grandparents planted for me, I plant now for the next generation, this story reminds us.

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That our actions not only have an impact on our present time or our immediate company. Each of.

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Our actions plants, a seed that grows and branches outward weaving through countless lives and many.

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Generations creating our ultimate legacy. I know that everyone present here this morning is here.

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Because you care about the legacy that you leave behind yesterday was international holocaust.

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Remembrance day and as I joined in conversation with councilman vieira last night on facebook,.

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I was thinking about the tree that my grandparents refugees from nazi europe planted for my children.

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I thought about the conversation my congregation had with councilman goons.

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Two weeks ago, as we prepared for martin luther king day and conversations we've shared together,.

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With councilman dean felder and remembering the trees that were planted by those of.

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All colors, who worked together with dr king fighting for equal rights for all.

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While my grandparents did not live long enough to meet their namesakes, their courage, perseverance,.

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And patience showed that we can create light from darkness and they created a world for.

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My father, that was better than theirs, had been, as my parents were able to do for me.

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Our god and god of our ancestors, I pray that you be with the members of this council. The great.

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City, it represents, and all those who protect it as we move closer to emerging. We pray from this.

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Difficult chapter of history grant us that same courage, perseverance and patience as that of my.

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Grandparents and so many of their generation, who taught us how to move forward from one of the.

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Darkest periods in history, by becoming better than we have before, may our legacy be one of prudence.

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May our legacy be one of compassion. May our legacy be one of love for all of our neighbors and of.

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Love for the stranger and may the fruits of that tree provide nourishment for generations to come.

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Amen amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the.

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Republic, for which it is one nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Okay, we've already done roll calls. Yes, sir, I just want to make sure that this council and.

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Our the citizens of tampa give a special prayer for our most senior councilman. Mr charlie miranda.

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During this time, I think it's uh appropriate that we acknowledge him and and make sure that he has.

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Our blessings and knows that we're worth it. Thank you, sir. Thank you very much. I second that, and I.

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Appreciate those uh those words uh councilman miranda is certainly in our prayers for a speedy.

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Recovery, we know that uh he will beat this and we look forward to his return here with us. Thank you.

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Very much and also a uh belated happy birthday to councilmember louis vieira, 29 years old, all right.

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A little bit of housekeeping item number one. There was a memo from the office of council member goods.

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That we remove this item is that correct? Sir? May I have a motion to remove item number one.

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All right, we have motion councilman good second from councilman vieira, all in favor.

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Aye all right that leads yes, sir okay. Thank you very much, sir, um and also we have a change.

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Of order in the agenda with items five through eight, I believe there's a copy being handed out.

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Just real quick item number seven is going to be number five, eight will be six, six will be seven.

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And five will be eight, so just flipping those items around, but uh the agenda will continue.

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uh Hopefully smoothly, I hope that we get out of here by lunchtime, so we don't have to take.

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A break and come back because we do have to come back at five for our evening session.

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Last week we got out at almost 2 a.m, so you know how that goes. Having said that, let's go to.

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Public comment: I know we have a few people downstairs if you're here to.

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Speak for public comment. Please go to the kiosk that should be to your left.

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If you're facing the tv screens and speak there we'll be able to see you.

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All right, if we can switch to the public comment camera there we go. I see mr ransom.

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Two other gentlemen: go ahead, please state your name for the record. We can't really hear you here.

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But my name is james ransom. I'm representing the tampa organization of black affairs and mr chair.

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uh Rather than be redundant and repetitive, we're respectfully requesting some additional time for.

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Us to make our comments all right: they have three people with them. We generally allow three minutes.

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A person, so we can do at least nine minutes, uh go ahead, sir. Thank you very much in the room.

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Good morning my name is ralph. I'm a member of the saturday morning, breakfast group. We should wait.

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Because we can't hear you at all yeah wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait! Wait. We can't.

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Let me start how you doing my name is ralph smith of good morning. Council.

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I'm a member of this wait. Can we raise the volume turn it up here in the council chambers.

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Can you guys still hear me hear me, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait! Okay,.

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Can you hear me yes now we have an echo.

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Mr shelby, did you check to see if they can turn the volume up in here they are working on it.

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And I've been told- hopefully this is coming through clearly now, because I've.

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Been told that I was not intelligible or uneasily understood when I made my.

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Initial comments for some of the viewing audience, so I just want to see if it's working now.

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And I will double check, mr chairman will get things in order as quickly as we can.

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How are we doing? Is that any better? It's a little bit better.

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Because we did a test run the other day and I went down there and they could.

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Hear it clearly here the others are.

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Chairman this is john bennett over in a remote site, and we hear.

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The public comment extremely well on our end.

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Okay, mr smith, go ahead; okay, thank you. Thank you city council, and thank you for taking the time.

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To listen to public comment, my name is ralph smith, I'm a resident of the city of tampa. I'm.

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Also, a member of the saturday morning, breakfast group and I'm a member of the boac committee.

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A couple of years ago, we looked at changing the boac ordinance to include additional points on.

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Rfps for minority participants- currently ebola is doing a good job of encouraging.

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Wimbys to certify, but certification is just not enough. Certification does not lead to contracts.

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In fact, the last figures that we received in the committee and through the public was in about 2015.

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Showed that african-american businesses were only receiving two percent of the contracts.

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Of the amount of the contracts that have been awarded by the city of tampa.

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I think the boac committee needs to be much more effective would be much.

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More effective if it concentrated more on working on the number of contracts.

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And the amounts of contracts to minorities rather than just certification. Thank you.

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Good morning, council, thank you very much for the additional time to speak.

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And my name is bryce bowden, I'm a member of the saturday morning, breakfast group.

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Actually, the secretary and my comments are going to be relatively short.

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And basically and they're going to be pretty much rhetorical and history has shown that rhetorical.

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Statements have been very good motivators and persuaders of people to take action.

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And I think that these are some things that need to be taken. A look at, and action taken.

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I, and I know the workshop is all about the ordinance 26.5 and one of the issues that.

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I have looked at was the good faith, efforts and part of it. It states that good fate efforts are.

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A court-mandated requirement, then it also says in this request thing that prior to any contract.

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Being awarded uh well, I read it exactly says the determination of whether a bidder has made good.

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Fake effort will be made by the manager prior to the award of the project in in compliance.

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With the terms here of the question that I have with a good, my statement is that you know where's.

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The data showing that that good faith effort had been documented. What is the audit trail.

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um What is the inspection, those type of things, so those are the questions when.

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We start talking about this ordinance now, as as this commercial goes where's the beef. So that's.

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The overall thing that my question in regards to this. Thank you very much for the time. Thank you.

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Good morning, council, my name is james ransom. I'm a board member.

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And chair of the economic development committee for the tampa organization of black affairs.

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uh We spoke with all of all of you that we could get to yesterday about the uh the issue.

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That we came to speak about the ebo issue and those staffs we know staff is going to report.

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On some findings, or give you a an update on what the consultants, hntb and aerial business group.

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Did for for you all and for them we did meet with hntb last week had a conversation, nothing.

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In our conversation led to any recommendations, we haven't seen any recommendations in the report. We.

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Saw two nights ago to make make any changes I've already already emailed you what my comments are.

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Going to be about so we're technically here to just reaffirm our request for action from the.

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Mayor and the administration, we think the spirit is there. We think the mayor has the vision and.

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Intention to do the right thing and we know the city council has taken the leadership action.

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That we like to see probably the unprecedented leadership action we've never seen a city council.

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Stop contracts from the mayor to get the attention of the administration in the history of tampa.

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So this is good leadership on on both sides. The efforts there, what we don't want is delayed action.

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When we have enough detail, we don't want delayed action when we have the mayor who has executive.

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Authority to have her administration adhere to maybe new policies and procedures and practices.

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And possibly, performance management agreements that are goal oriented, measurable, accountable.

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Transparent and consequential for failing to comply with what the city says it wants to do.

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And so what does the city want to do? The city wants to improve and increase.

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Its spending with black black-owned businesses, not just black-owned businesses, but that's why.

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We're here so, in addition to others being paid, we want the city to intentionally, spend more money.

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With black owned businesses- and there is a easy way to do- that- we've provided information.

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To the city about atlanta, georgia, charlotte north carolina, greenville, south carolina, cincinnati, ohio.

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Miami florida, where much of what you need to write into an ordinance or your administrative.

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Directives has been done by cities where good practices are already being done, so we would.

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Appreciate you continuing to not approve contracts until this is resolved, and I know you're working.

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With the city, but while you're spending money waiting for maybe a disparity study in a couple of.

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Years, you're still spending many money with other people than black owned companies. So we definitely.

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Don't want you doing that, we don't want you to deny us taxpayers who vote in hillsborough county.

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In the city of tampa from the same prosperity being shared by others, but thank you for your time.

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And we're going to continue to collaborate with the staff who's working with us as well.

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And with you to help to make this happen, okay, thank you very much all right bye-bye. Thank you.

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All right next speaker.

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I'm sorry, that's okay,.

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Go ahead, sir, please say your name for the record.

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Okay, uh my name is victor demaio, I'm I'm here representing coyote ugly in ybor city.

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I'm calling I'm here because we received a letter from the city attorney's office.

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um A rather ominous letter saying that we have to from now on provide two officers seven days a week.

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But the the main and the main reason I'm here is because if you look at the very last.

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Site on this page, it says this requirement applies to establishments with a 250 plus.

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Person occupancy load the situation we have is that because of covid, our legal occupancy.

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Load has been reduced to 150. so technically, and I've spoken to a couple of attorneys about this.

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We don't really come under this particular requirement. The other situation is this. We have.

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We've had officers in the past. This was an issue. A few years ago we put a deposit down which is.

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Still there, but the reality is that we've requested officers they show up initially.

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And then a couple weeks later, we're down to one officer and a couple weeks after that we're down.

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To no officers, because there's just not that many officers, especially now with super bowl.

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Going on there's just not that many officers we've actually called the sheriff's office they're, not.

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They're, not assigning off-duty officers because of um because of the covis situation. I guess I can go.

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To temp plan city or temple terrace, I don't I don't know which so I I've called uh honestly.

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I just took a letter on the second page. It says here to call captain brett owen. I've called.

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Captain owen and some lady named anna richardson griffin called, and I called initially on monday,.

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When this first thing came up and uh I've called bundy I've called today, captain owen doesn't call.

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Me back, I was when I called the city attorney's office. They told me susan johnson velez was the.

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Lady in charge of this particular situation to get clarification, I called susan johnson.

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Bless monday, I called her yesterday and I'm still waiting for a return call. So I'm here, because you.

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Know I just don't know what else to do and I'm trying to I'm trying to help my client uh along.

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With these other, you know 14 establishments that are in the same situation, but because of covid, we.

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Have legally been reduced to 150 people, we have tables and chairs there's no standing around.

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There's nothing against the officers, but the officers don't even go inside the establishment.

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They just stand outside and just you know, we we don't mind paying for officers, but.

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We also, I do have an issue with paying officers just to provide extra security in eboor city.

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So please somebody please tell me what we're supposed, what up? What.

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Myself or what uh coyote ugly is supposed to do councilman goods. Mr chairman, I had gotten.

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With the legal about that issue, I knew that is an issue with the bars having uh security officers.

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Down in eboard city, I do remember when I was on the force that officers were required down there.

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But again I asked legally again the question would be a lot of officers. Don't want to work.

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Off duty anymore and super bowl and a lot of the covet, how will we be able to supply those officers.

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To those businesses and uh the city attorney officer, they are working on a plan to make sure.

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We can provide officers, so we will have something running on how they'll be able to do that uh to.

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Be able to give the security that's needed down in the board and uh with the all the insistence.

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Of violence talking about their officer's assignment, what the description, what the.

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Officers are allowed to do and not, but I do know, officers are not just patrolling inside of bars.

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And I know the sheriff's office unless they change their policy, don't allow deputies to work.

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Alcohol establishments right, so I think we just need to get a little clear understanding, something.

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Out a little more definitive to the business owners of how this will work and how this will.

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Be uh mustered along uh and I yield back, sir. Thank you very much and mr demaio we'll.

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I'll coordinate with you and my office and see if we can get you some answers uh with.

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Our legal department and whatnot- and you know we'll we have your contact information, we'll.

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Reach out to you and and see how we can help with the communication here, I appreciate it and.

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My concern again is starting this weekend and going forward. uh Are we going to be? You know.

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Is code enforcement going to show it up and start sending us tickets? Because, according this letter.

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You get four tickets and they pull your liquor license and you know: we've always we've already.

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Lost hundreds of thousands of dollars all right, we have someone, that's a on the line to speak is that.

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One of our attorneys- yes, this is gina grimes city attorney; okay, I'm the person that's drafted, the.

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Courtesy notice of enforcement that mr demaio is referring to um and he was informed that.

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If he has problems or issues with respect to the notice and its applicability to his client coyote.

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Ugly that he could talk directly to me, I have he has not reached out to me. He reached out and.

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I just found out this morning he reached out to susan johnson velez yesterday, but I'm happy to.

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Work with mr demaio to see how we can resolve this issue and as to mr dude's issue, I can assure you.

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That any of these establishments in your city that are required to have the extra extra duty officers.

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There will be sufficient officers available to serve in those spots. Okay, that was.

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Gina grimes our city attorney mr demaio she's, happy to discuss this with you so.

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If you reach out to her, if not again, we'll be happy to get you the phone number and or you know.

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Set it up all right. Thank you appreciate it. Thank you all. Thank you very much. Next speaker next up.

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Yes, sir maintenance not tampa florida.

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Hold on one second, please can you hold my time please? Yes, sir.

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um Go ahead, sir mint is not tampa florida. You know we have a reality here, which is we had.

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Three, gentlemen: that just came up and spoke and they um from the breakfast club and they spoke.

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In reference to um just the disproportional, can you hear me? Okay? Yes, sir? Yes, sir yeah.

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Just disproportional allocation of city contracts and that's something I've been speaking on for 30.

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Years we're 26 percent of this population and we don't get 26 percent of the good services or just.

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Anything that's allocated throughout the city for african people, we're 26 percent of the population.

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We don't get 26 percent of nothing good in this city now anything bad. If it's a rest, if it's.

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Evictions, if it's anything bad, if it's going to florida state penitentiary, we get about 80.

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Of that, okay, it's time for that to change and the reality is always said. As I said it today,.

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I said it 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 30 years ago. What we have is a do: nothing city, council, the city.

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Council, the city is an automatic. As a matter of fact, the mayor don't even come down here anymore,.

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And there's a reason for that, because apparently the power is somewhere else and the government.

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Is not doing anything for the people other than run around and try to get a vote now for african.

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People for black people, y'all, like to see us beg, beg some more dance and then suffer and at the end.

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Of the day we come up here and you give us some kind of reward and say hey this person this and.

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It but ain't nothing changed and it's time for us to have some changes in this city. It's time.

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For us to have some changes in the city, not window dressing, it's some things we want to see in this.

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City, so black people can move forward and we can forget about because what they're doing is they're.

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Using jim crow and black codes to do the same thing, they've been doing for hundreds of years.

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And it's time for that to change one of some of the things we would like to see is we like.

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To see this city council step up to stop all the suspension of the driver's license.

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For people in child support people who have these outstanding fines that they put on down.

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Add-On, fines they put on down the tickets and other things and other reasons.

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We would also like to see the fact that this city council today right now today make a.

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Statement towards what's been going on up before this city council, you know one thing about me:.

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Can you hold one second, please go ahead.

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um You have to excuse me, one second, is somebody talking in the other room.

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When they finish talking I'll, be able to speak.

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There's something about me, irrespective of what you think.

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When I hear people saying and doing derogatory things.

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Making racial jokes, making religious jokes, making ethnic jokes I'll, walk away from it.

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We can't hear if anyone's talking in the room, if anyone is speaking in the other room.

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On the second floor, please, uh if you allow the gentleman to finish.

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Hey, I would speak last, if necessary, to have the ability to speak in peace.

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Because, if grown folks can't come to a place and be quiet when it's other people trying to.

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Speak there's a serious problem with that and if they protest and demonstrate, I don't have.

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A problem with that, but if a person is trying to speak- and they know it's they're right, there.

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In the other room and they talking and continue to talk, I'm in the other room, I can't even hear.

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What's going on over here when the other person was speaking or when other people were speaking.

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That's disrespect to the highest level. You want to speak, go outside.

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So, as I was saying when people are making ethnic, racial, religious, jokes.

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Separate myself from that and anyone have enough sense to know and I'm sure.

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Our city council representatives have enough sense to know about sensitivity about racial sensitivity.

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About religious sensitivity about gender gender sensitivity, you can't do that. No more.

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And we've had here before this last year, ended: we've had two people came right to this microphone.

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And insulted the existence of african people and the whole city council sat there and didn't put.

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Them in check, as a matter of fact, they gave one person an award. A person came right before this.

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Microphone and spoke about the poverty mentality of the people of east tampa it's an insult and.

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We need an apology from this city council, yet another man come before this microphone and.

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It's all good freedom of speech, it's all good, but when you're insulting something needs to be.

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Said about that, thank you. We had another man come and speak of african people being thugs and drug.

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Dealers and don't pay taxes city council have to rebuke those statements. Thank you very much, sir.

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Do we have anybody else in the public to speak here at the lectern.

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Yes, ma'am go ahead good morning, connie berg. I want to really appreciate um the rabbi in.

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His invocation this morning, because it kind of kind of guided my.

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Thoughts as we move toward 2021, what type of seeds are we planting.

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We've seen so much go on. uh People are having to have real examples of what disparities look like.

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Not just on a local level, but seeing it from the national level of seeing how people have.

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Been able to uh storm capitals, uh the national uh capital talk about insurrection and limited.

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uh Reaction other than talking points uh right here in east tampa when we're talking about.

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Economic opportunities- and hopefully your workshop- should include you walking through east tampa, not.

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Prior to an election but come to east tampa and see why we don't have african americans. That is.

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Skilled that is able-bodied able to participate in economic opportunity with this city. Why is it.

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Every time that we are having this workshop and we say what percentage of contracts are coming to the.

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African community, it always started from a zero, zero, zero point percentage and it has been allowed.

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To be given to you all by african-american presenters as if it's okay, it is not. Okay,.

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We want to plant seeds of hope for our community. We call on this entire democratic.

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Democrats that has utilized the blight votes for your very position to change your course.

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Immediately that we say in east tampa that we cannot talk about removal of blight.

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And slum and poverty, if the very people in that community cannot participate economically we're.

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Going to keep on and keep on with the same title with the same message, because, yes,.

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I've got my grandson here. I've taken him all through this city, because I want him to see.

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What campbell looked like? I want him to understand: it's not because we are lazy, but because policies.

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Are being driven to make sure that if he don't fight and if I don't fight, then our community.

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Will not change and our young people will not have any hope. Thank you so much. Thank you very much.

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Do we have anybody else for public comment that wishes to speak at this.

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Yes, ma'am go ahead, you have three minutes. If you can state your name.

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Good morning my name is natasha goodly. I have a business consulting firm here in.

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Tampa and I've worked with well over 300, small and micro businesses within the tampa bay area.

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And have helped hundreds of businesses access capital through covet relief efforts based on.

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My work, I can advise of many problems the businesses encounter as well as some of the.

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Obstacles, I've noticed and noted over the years. The first is the woman-owned business designation.

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For black women and minority-owned businesses, currently it it's not a designation that.

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Minority-Owned female minority-owned businesses receive, and it should be because that's if we.

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Want to call them strikes as two strikes being a black female is also another strike being.

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Of being a female and then being a black, and so you should have the two designations being.

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Provided to the business second, we need to expand the bridges to business program to.

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Not just help businesses get started with the certification process, but to actually.

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Be with them to complete the process and then actually help them obtain contracts. Third of.

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Course we could always use a more user-friendly website. Fourth, provide help with the structure.

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Foundation and organization of businesses- and I do understand that we have several.

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The sba, the sbdc, we have several organizations that work to do that, but I think we need to.

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Have a more uh cohesive uh grouping with the city to also assist those businesses with it.

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All rfps are not written the same. Some are very difficult to understand what it is that the city.

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Is actually seeking, so we need to do more to access participation across the board. The same.

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Businesses consistently get business with the city of tampa, because many others are shut out of the.

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Process, because it's very even for myself and for those who know me, I have a doctorate degree and.

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Sometimes it's very difficult to actually figure out what it is that the rfp is actually requesting.

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So I'm consistently approached in my personal business by larger white-owned businesses who want.

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To partner for the only reason of taking advantage of working with minority contractors, typically, my.

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Skill set isn't even taken into consideration. We might want to consider also scrutinizing the.

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Actual role that minorities play in subcontractor roles on these contracts, so we can end some of the.

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Trickery, unfortunately, you know small businesses need business, so many are not going to turn down.

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An effort to work with a larger company but they're only on the contract so that they can.

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Get the minority designation they're not there for any competency, it's just for the designation.

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And then, lastly, we need more support for black owned businesses. It was very recent that the.

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City of tampa acknowledged the disenfranchisement of black americans in the city. That was the first.

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Step and so the second step needs to be in implementing policies to correct the wrong.

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And I think one of those policies can be really working to with black owned businesses to help.

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Them get more of a footing in the city so that we can see an increase in black owned businesses with.

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Contracts, thank you. Did you say you had a phd jd, okay, so you're all right. I don't know that.

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Good good, very good, that's in university college law, class of 2005. all right. Thank you. Thank you.

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All right, if we have anybody else for public comment, if anybody else wishes.

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To speak there in the audience, please uh come down to the lectern there we go.

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And city council see this: this is joe robinson city council, see what's on the element before.

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I start yes, sir, if you could speak into the microphone, uh so we can hear you more clearly.

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Can you hear me now? Yes, sir, I'm gonna talk to everybody talking, I ain't worried about.

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It we can, we can see, what's on the uh on the uh the overhead, go ahead, joe robinson here to.

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uh Speak about since there's no comments at the workshop. Let me just say this: I reviewed the hntb.

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Aerial report and here's a little thing about it, since I don't have time in the workshop to.

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Talk about it, let city council, ask me a question I'll hang around. If you want to ask me a question.

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First of all, it's 67 pages, that is a good 30, 000 foot level. Looking down start, it needs to be at.

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The transparent, clear view in the direction of at least 1 000 foot level. So that's looking way.

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Up because they're missing a lot of details and it's a lot of bundling in there, you put all the.

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Black businesses, in one thing, call them black businesses. That is not the way you deal with.

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uh Equal opportunity or deal with a disparity, the data is stale. Why is it stale? It is pre-coded 19.

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The most current data from the graph says: you're 19.. If it's fifth grade city of fiscal year, 19.

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That is october 1st 2018 to september 30 2019 where's, the fiscal year 20 october, 1st 2019.

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To september 30th 2020., this is january 28, 2011, 2021 and where's that covet data.

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Where's, all that a whole year data takes that long to get it something's wrong. The data is bundling.

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All services by race, gender, which overlooks two things all business categories, getting.

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There ready willing and able to share hard to determine when it's bundled also against the.

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Parents overall, race and gender are doing good since they're certain total dollars.

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Not at one thousand foot level, but at a 30 000 foot level, which makes the basically data cloudy.

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They even put footnotes say so that the data is bundled read your footnotes on it.

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The audit document is one page really, and then I see my company's concern mentioned, let alone.

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The number of documented complaints and the complaint form is out of date. It references.

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A 2008 ordinance that they just put on their and uh december 20th, now look at your screen.

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Here's a sample of an error that department makes because nobody's looking at anything. You see where.

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It says rhc and associates inc. My consultant is an infern and it says current contract value.

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One million eighty five thousand four hundred fifty four dollars. If I had a contract like.

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That in the city, I'd buy everybody up their super bowl ticket, including the man, everybody.

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Okay, this is erroneous. How did that get there? It's been there for several months.

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It causes my company not to get any other work, because it's saying, hey jerome's got plenty work.

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Not true, okay, this is an example of the detail that is not being adhered to with the dmi system.

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There's problems but they're doing good overall, because I call for them to be fired. I just tell.

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It like it is, I ask them to be fired and start over, but I'm being compassionate this morning.

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Cause I'm wearing the buccaneer super bowl thing, so I'm just saying if they don't get it straight.

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If they don't listen to somebody doing business with the city for 30 years, the person that will.

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File the lawsuit, the person that will raise the hell, then you know I'm gonna, do what I got to do.

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But goodness on my record for one million dollars is erroneous and it needs to be corrected that.

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Is the kind of problems we got and I waited today to let it be known? Because if you don't know what.

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You're looking at they can bamboozle you they're doing a decent job, they're trying to get it right.

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But we are not there, so hopefully this summer that this next few months they have town hall meetings.

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About this report, they have outreach and inclusion, your naacp. Thank you very much. Empowerment center.

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Please include the naacp empowerment center and thank you for your time. Thank you, sir.

F

I believe that was our last speaker in the public. Do we have anybody registered to speak.

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Madam clerk yeah, yes chair the first speaker, we have jacob kramer, but is he gonna be okay? Go ahead.

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And then tyler hudson correct. That is correct. All right, mr kramer, if you're on the line go ahead, sir.

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Mr chair, this is jake kramer, I'm here in support of tyler's amendment. um I mean.

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With your permission, it might be easier if he goes first and then I could just comment on it.

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All right, mr hudson, you go first and we'll go back to mr kramer. Okay, that sounds good um the morning.

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Council tyler hudson 400 north ashley drive. um I thought I was actually going to be bad and.

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Clean up after lashawn so I'll make my remarks fairly brief. I want to thank sean, the city staff.

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For all their hard work on this, we submitted this private initial initiated amendment back in july.

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To lower the pda eligibility threshold um down from the 50 acres that it's currently set at.

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Lashawn's presentation is very thorough and so I'll let her go through that in a second that.

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We did get to be the end of this recommendation planning commission a couple weeks ago. um So, while.

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She'll go through the the what I'd like to give a little bit about the. Why and what motivated this.

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um As you all know, large scale development projects can happen overnight. University of tampa.

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Western marina district, the heights, those all take some time to develop they develop in increments.

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And phases and they're able to develop gradually because they are over 50 acres and they're able to.

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Take advantage of this more flexible zoning vehicle called a pda, a planned development.

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Alternative, you all see a lot of pd's. My firm and jake sperm bring bring a lot of them to you. A pda.

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Is a little bit different because it allows for the developer to to flexibly develop over time by.

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Baking in certain uses upward limits, but not exactly showing you where, for example, the.

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Trash compactors are gonna, be for a piece of the development that might not happen for five years.

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uh And as tampa develops, lashon is going to note in her presentation that there are.

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Fewer and fewer 50 acre parcels left in the city. And if you look at some of the most exciting.

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Development opportunities to become the proximity to the urban core, uh you think about daryl shaw's.

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Project in new york city that I'm working on- and he has spoken with some of you about the west.

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River project that bakes working on groom, the art, rfp grables part, there's really much less.

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Than 50 acres, but they are going to take some time to develop, and so we think that.

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Making projects like that and other projects that are 20 acres or more throughout the city eligible.

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This pda is going to really give developers an opportunity to develop in a patient and timely way.

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um I I thought about to try to get a good metaphor for this and I I've struggled, but I think it's a.

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Little bit like trying to dress right now forcing a 20-acre project to go through the pd process.

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Is a little bit like getting dressed um without knowing what the weather is and.

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Without knowing what city you're in it's just very difficult um to be as specific as the p requires.

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Insert respectively, ask your support. Thank you. Thank you very much, mr kramer. Thank you, mr chair.

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I'll keep it brief. um You know if you'll use the melodrama uh here. I think that the pda.

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Process is kind of one of the unsung heroes of redevelopment in the city of tampa. Frankly, I've.

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Been begging some other jurisdictions here in the tampa bay area to adopt a similar process.

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And the reason why is it really allows council to set the long-term policy direction for these big.

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Big projects with long-term, build out and there's really just no way with these large projects.

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That developers can commit to some of those. You know extreme details that kylo was talking about.

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um You know I can tell you with my partner ben marchetti on the western marina district.

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And we we really would not have been able to get that project off the ground after.

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The session, without being able to work hand in hand with staff through the pda process.

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You know other projects in the city, like the onford project, would have benefited from this. You.

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Know I can tell you some things: we're looking at in west river would benefit from this process, so.

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With that, you know just ask for your support. It's a great tool, um and it really, uh you know, allows.

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Your staff to shine so we you know I'd, appreciate your support on this as well. Thank you. Thank you.

F

Very much. That concludes our public comment. I know it goes into item number two, but before we.

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Continue board members? What did you think of the public comment setup? I think it worked out well.

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I think it worked out well pretty smooth all right. uh Having said that, we'll go into item number two.

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I see here, I'm sorry, you asked a question I didn't get a chance to do. I think it went.

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Very well volume is a key, though yep volume needs to be raised up, at least in this room.

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So my two cents, thank you, mr chair. Thank you very much. Councilman beer. I just said that I.

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Wanted to say, I think, turn your mic on there you go. I just wanted to say I think it's marvelous.

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And I think your office, mr chair and lisa and and all of the staff here for all of your hard work.

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On this issue, thank you all right. Good. Now we go to item number two. We have.

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uh Miss feely on the line and lashon as well. So if you'd like to go ahead.

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Good morning, chairman and council, this is lashawn dock with development and growth.

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Management- and I have with me also abby haley, director of development and growth management,.

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And I'm here to present to you this morning, item number two, which is a privately initiated text. Amendment um next slide, please.

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This is um just council as a point of order. This is a time certain item for 10 am and we're a few.

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Minutes before that, so I just want to make sure everybody's okay with that, as we move forward.

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Okay, mr chairman, I don't see it martin shelby here I I'm looking at the agenda.

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And I don't see any specific time attached to it. I'm sorry.

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You don't see a specific what time I heard. I I heard miss feely. I thought you said: 10 a.m,.

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No, it's just item number two and and that's it and it is, it is 10. 9.58. So.

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I think I think we're fine going forward. Yeah, there's nothing on the agenda that specifies a.

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Time for item number two moving forward with three and beyond it does say: 10 a.m,.

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Three and four say 10 am so go ahead, ms field, carla shawn, the request.

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For you today is a privately initiated text amendment. This is the part of the july 2020.

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Amendment cycle the advocate is charged with custom. um This is what I believe you just.

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Heard probably talking about for power, um this request is to amend only quote section 27-228.

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Requirement for plan development alternative next slide, please. So what I'd like to review would be.

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First, council is the request itself. The request is to remove the five-year time frame for phased.

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Or incremental development, um but it also should reduce pda-required acres from 50 to 30. and at.

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The requirement to provide public notice at the time of incremental site plan review next slide.

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Staff has reviewed the proposed changes and has made the following.

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Recommendations, the following changes um to the code. Thank you.

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Whenever we receive a privately initiated text, amendment council, we take a look at that quote.

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And I wouldn't talk to you now they're saying that, because you guys are so far away, so we need to.

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Get a little closer, we can hear you. Thank you.

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I apologize we're going to get close. I really want to understand what this this is.

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About so I can make a good decision on this. That's one wish I can hear you.

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I'm sorry, can you hear me better now? No, not not really slightly. You know.

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um Changes to the code section we're correcting the department name that is listed within the code.

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Section we're removing the requirements from the middle of our copy site plan and we have.

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Also added the word applicant to the language just to ensure clarification and consistency.

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And reference to subdivision and commercial plan review process um in that section of the.

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Code next slide, please, and here are two additional changes: that staff has requested and recommended.

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For this language to move forward, the first is to reduce the required average from 50 to 20.

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um In council, the reason staff felt this change was necessary is one. It promotes flexibility.

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For larger scale, projects and properties, this is some of what tyler has explained in his comments.

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um But even when your site planted 20 acres, it is difficult. The applicants have been utilizing that.

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Hybrid approach with the pd, with the incremental site plan for the larger scale projects and that's.

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Such as midtown and encore, those are multi-faceted projects. They do not meet the 50-acre requirement.

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And so they're submitting it's a pd, they submitted the pd with incremental.

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Most recent pda applications that would have come before council would have been the heights.

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Back in 2013 kvar ranch in 2015., the next change proposed was to remove the.

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Requirement to provide public notice at the time of incremental site plan review.

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So public notice currently is not required by code for an incremental site plan review to.

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Add this requirement would create additional impacts to staff resources. Additional calls.

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To the applicant and create confusion for the public, this would not increase efficiency in.

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The process one thing I'd like to remind council, is that a pda comes before council for approval.

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After that, pda has been approved. The applicant then comes in for incremental site plan review.

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As these entitlements are permitted, so you they are providing public notice at the time.

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Of pda, then they will turn around and have to provide public notice for each incremental review.

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On the larger scale projects it could be phase development. We could have three or four submittals.

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For incremental flight plan review, the applicant will be providing public notice each and every.

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Time, first, for a project that was approved in the original pda and the next slide. Please.

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And what I provided council is a chart that just shows the pd plain development and the pda.

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Process just an overview so for the pd on the left is for parcels that are up to 50 acres.

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A detailed site plan is required, city council approval is required and then they move the permit.

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For the pda on the right side is for parcels over 50 acres, a conceptual site plan is required and.

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That's a site plan which identifies the overall boundary and it lists the entitlements that are.

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Allowed within that overall boundary and typically this occurs with phase development, then that.

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Requires city council approval and from there as they are ready to permit the site and they.

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Come in to draw down on their entitlements, they submit for incremental cycling review, which is an.

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Administrative review, which must be consistent with the overall pda, which has been approved.

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Then they move to permitting next slightly. This is that same chart, but this shows the proposed.

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Changes, this is with the parcels up to 20 acres on the left for the pd, and then the pda would change.

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And then it would be for parcels that are over 20 acres to take advantage of the pda required in the.

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Next slide, please uh wait, I believe councilman dingfelder has a question. Councilman dingfelder.

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Make sure you're unmuted.

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You're muted, please unmute yourself.

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You're still muted ting felder.

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We can't hear you.

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Councilman felder, we can't hear you.

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Still still muted.

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Okay, uh we'll come back to councilman dingfielder later I apologize.

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uh Lashon, if you'd like to continue.

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Okay, okay, council. Thank you. So this next slide. What we did was it took a look at the city as.

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A whole- and we looked at the overall number of vacant parcels within the city of tampa. So what we.

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Did was we took the chart that you have before you? I put these numbers in. We have on the left side.

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The parcel side and then on the right side in the blue, are the number of parcels so city wide. You.

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Can see it's just important to note that, with this request, the parcels that are eligible to utilize.

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The pda upon this code amendment there's a total of 291 parcels that would be eligible. So when.

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Staff reviewed this data. We felt that the impacts are minimal with this request and what we did.

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Was it took this data and broke it up by fowler avenue as the boundary to separate north and south.

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Just because the thought process was that there were more vacant parcels located northeast section.

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Of the city, more so than central to the city, which you can see by the data provided next slide, please.

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And so we have our staff findings and recommendations. So one thing I like to remind.

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Council is that the pda is not a euclidean voting district. It does not get assigned to properties.

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Without an application and an associated public hearing and city council approval.

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This amendment was routed for city departmental review and received no objections. Development.

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Coordination supports this request and finds that it eliminates the need for administrative reviews.

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Non-Substantial changes for project design changes which typically occur at the time.

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Of permitting this also allows increased flexibility in developing larger parcels.

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Also, council, um the hillsboro county planning commission found the request.

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Consistent with the imagine, 2040 tampa comprehensive plan next slide. Please.

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The next steps is, we have the same scheduled for city council first reading on february, 4th.

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And second reading on february 18th for second reading and final adoption next slide, please.

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All right, councilman dingfelder, have they uh fixed your technical.

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No, we can't hear you and you are unmuted on your end. You hear me now yeah yeah there we.

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Go good answer I. It was a technical issue. I was I was okay, but I had to go out and come back in.

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Anyway, all right we're all good um lashana. I understand the the intent of this. I agree with.

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The 50 down to 20 acres, um but my question is this: in regards to notice and community involvement.

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um You know the community, the neighborhoods and the community have sort of been uh requesting and.

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Sometimes clamoring for more involvement and- um and I recognize that traditionally in the pda.

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Once the pda was approved, we really didn't have a whole lot of community.

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Or even council involvement, um but what I wonder about is.

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And tyler you you can chime in as well or jay, but what I wonder about is is as the process.

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Goes along when there's some major decisions to be. You know that are that are being made.

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Quote at the administrative level that perhaps notice to the community might be appropriate.

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And feedback from the community to the administration on the the various um uh you know.

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Might be a good idea if you follow me and I'm not, you know, I'm not saying that.

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um That it would come back to council or anything like that, but what I'm saying is sometimes.

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It might be a good idea instead of staff, making these decisions in a vacuum. That's that you know.

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That that, if they say well, you know what we chan instead of commercial, we're going to go office.

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Instead of office, we're going to go residential, you know for a thousand units on this.

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Project, maybe a little community input wouldn't be a bad thing.

F

Councilman goode, that was my my throat, your microphone. That was my thought as well. I mean.

M

Have we even brought this out to the community to see what the communities think about this at all.

M

Sean so councilman. This has been noticed to the public to the community. um We have not received.

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Any feedback from the community um any text amendment that comes through we advertise it below.

B

How was it, how was it noticed? I know we said we noticed things, but how was it noticed? What was.

M

The involvement do the neighborhood associations know. You know, I mean, I know we send notices out.

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But sometimes people don't really know what that notice even is, and that's where it goes.

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Into communication, again, people can see things but not read with understanding. I had another.

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Community group called me about a zone they got in me. I had no idea what that meant or how it was so.

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That's why I don't know: how is the communication getting out to the people.

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So they can know what we're voting on. You know, because if I vote for something and they come.

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Back, why did you vote for that? Well, I thought the community was in favor of that, so I need to know.

M

How really, how were they communicated to just by notice? Well, we actually complement what we.

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Do is we post it on our website? We also have a monthly tampa cares newsletter that goes out.

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We mail it out as the hard copy newsletter that we mail to all neighborhood organizations.

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We list all text amendments that come through in that newsletter, so they receive the notification.

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By mail through that newsletter, we have um a lot of the neighborhoods are active and they're.

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Involved they receive that nullification anytime. They have questions, they contact our office.

M

I think that this text amendment is geared up for the east side of town.

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uh And that's why I believe this text amendment is really being geared up for the east side of town.

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And I think that uh for me for me to really be voting on something I need to know and understand.

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That those communities know what we're what we're actually getting prepared to do. If we're going to.

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Do this because for me this is what I call a planned process and I think it's getting.

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Geared up to bring development to the east side, uh the northeast and the southeast of my district.

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And I just want to make sure that the folks in those areas are well aware of what this council.

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May possibly get ready to do. Thank you very much. This is kate wells. If I could address the comment.

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With regard to community involvement, I just want to remind council: this is a privately initiated.

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Amendment and you might want to ask the applicant if they had engaged in that type of communication.

M

uh Jay or uh or tyler is that.

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I'll take this, can you all hear me? Yes, sir: go ahead? Okay, great um so councilman youth! I I'm a.

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President of your district, um and and this would affect projects in your district and throughout.

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The city, um I would love the chance to sit down with you and chat a little bit about this. uh This.

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Project is this: amendment was not initiated um with respect specifically to anything in the.

O

East side of tampa it's initiated mostly for the project, but I think daryl shaw has had a chance.

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To speak with some of you about uh in ybor city. um To get to the point that counseling defender.

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Made in the counseling, thankfully we discussed this remember before I filed this amendment.

O

The changes that are approved at the staff level, that that incremental site plan that is approved.

O

um In my view, that is more akin to a permitting type process and right now there is really no.

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Public involvement in permitting process the documents are publicly available through acela.

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But the pda that you all will review for a project. That's able to take advantage of this. The public.

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Is going to have ample opportunity to weigh in on it? Because that pda plan is going to include.

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The maximum density of the buildings, the maximum height, what the uses are, are there any waivers.

O

And you, this council will have discretion to um to approve or deny those projects, but the goal here.

O

Is to allow projects that are going to take time to develop, to have some flexibility, because right.

O

Now, if you're developing a 20 or 30 acre project, you need to show where the trash compactor is.

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Going to be, how are you going to get to the trash compactor exactly where the buffering.

O

And screening are going to go um and if you change that at all after the first year, you're right back.

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Before you all at city council, and while that's um that's good for civil engineers, it's good for.

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Land use lawyers I with respect, don't think it's particularly good um good development when there.

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Is such a great tool like the pda available? We just want to make it a bit more broadly available.

F

Councilman dingfield, I see your hand up. Thank you. Thank you. um Tyler, like I said at the.

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Beginning I don't have a problem with reducing the acreage from 50 units to 20 to 20 units, but.

S

My question is, as related to the incremental review, so give me an example, lashawn or abby.

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um Give me an example of a typical incremental review on it on a pda, and I know in the past.

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Most of our pdas have been you know, massive projects up in new tampa and that sort of thing.

S

But give me give me an example of of you know what what type of incremental review.

S

Might miss mr shaw be undergoing, or you know so so initially in year one he gets the pda.

S

And by year, three, what sort of incremental reviews or changes might we be seeing? So, let's um I'd like.

J

To use uh the encore project as an example, the on-par project was a nine block project um very.

J

Unique in the fact it did receive nsp funds and was able to build all its infrastructure um and.

J

That is of the I believe the 28 acre range, um so you have nine blocks and then they have so pda is.

J

Not only the entitlements, and it is not only the setbacks, it is also other design criteria that go.

J

Ahead and travel with the project, so um some refer to it as a bubble plan, but the only it sets up the.

J

Bubbles, it assigns the uses to those bubbles and then it assigns a set of criteria that run with.

J

The entire project, when the incremental comes in you will show us that, on block a this use is going.

J

There it was assigned to go there, so you might have a blockade that has residential hotel.

J

Something like that and then at the time of incremental you're going to say I'm drawing.

J

Down 300 residential units on block a, I am meeting the setbacks. I am needing these other parameters.

J

um And then we ensure that, yes, you are so when I think about this and the interjection of public.

J

Notice into that process, um really that public notice happened as part of the adoption of the pda.

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And the the input happened next, so we can't then say the public doesn't like the hotel on block a.

J

um Because that assignment of rights happened at the time of development, in addition to that,.

S

Hold on one second: what what? If what? If the petitioner said, I want to add.

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I want to swap from block a to block b. I want to swap the hotel for the residential in that.

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Plan is that is that an incremental change, or does that go back to council? That is well unless there.

J

Were conditions on the pda that allowed for those swaps to happen, then no, they could not.

J

Do that in incremental, and it would the other thing that's where exactly where I was headed.

J

The other thing that runs with each incremental is still those substantial change criteria. You.

J

Cannot be doing your incremental and triggering a substantial change, and you may I don't know if.

J

You were back when we had that discussion on harper island with part of what had.

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Been developed with the I icon residential tower, um you know they said well, the parking wasn't.

J

Reviewed, yes, we review not only everything related to the conditions of the pda. We also are ensuring.

J

That the increment is not tripping a substantial change, so there are those two levels of review.

J

And they get an opportunity for us to say that modification or that entitlement is beyond the.

J

Conditions of the pda- and you may either revise it or it is a substantial change and you have to.

J

Go back to city council, okay. Last question last question: last question is the is the substantial.

S

Change language the same pd as it is for a pda. Yes, all right, mr chairman, no edition of youth is.

J

No um increasing five percent. Yes, all those nine criteria, always travel.

J

With each of those increments, you cannot circumvent that by utilizing this problem.

S

And it was interesting just last week up in mr uh vieira's neck of the woods we had.

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Two projects that got what pulled out or busted out of the original pdas. I guess.

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Or the original pd's and then got changed after 20-something years. So it's kind of interesting.

S

That this is happening. Mr chairman, I have no other comments, questions or objections.

S

I do recognize councilman goog's question related to neighborhood involvement with.

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This text amendment I'm not saying lashawn that you didn't do your job or in regard to notice.

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It used to be that fan would get deeply involved in these types of questions, but I don't.

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I don't know how you know: functional fan is anymore.

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So I I don't know, mr goods, if you have an issue in terms of timing on this, as related to neighborhood.

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Involvement, you know I'll support, you I mean we have two neighborhood liaisons. We have mr mcgregor.

M

We have your microphone, we have two neighborhood liaisons, we have uh janelle and we have moray.

M

I understand it's a probably initiated, but I think for me uh I can kind of see where this is headed.

M

And again, I want to make sure communities are aware of what may be coming in the future. It.

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May be 20 years down the road, but sometimes you just can't go back and change things.

M

Once you've done them, so I would recommend that the power initiated folks that are initiating this.

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Somehow get with our people possibly or you know they can hire wherever to go out to make sure that.

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The community is aware of the future uh that way we are on even keel. uh I I that just the way I.

M

I look at I like neighborhoods to know what's going on, because you can sit back at the end.

M

I've got a suggestion, mr chairman, if this is, is this scheduled for first reading today? No, no, no.

J

This is only the workshop this morning and and it will be scheduled for february 4th for first.

J

Reading the other comment I just wanted to make and reiterate is that nobody gets assigned a pda.

J

This is a code change today that changes the parameters of what that zoning district is.

J

But nobody that is not an assignment by right, so anybody who would be seeking to now participate.

J

In a pda- and they wouldn't have to, they would just have the ability over 20 acres to do that.

J

Would still have to come through a rezoning process, there is nothing that is circumventing.

J

Anything there either any changes do have to come back before you when they would have to apply and.

J

That is where you have the right to say. You know your bubble is too broad, it's not enough.

J

You know all of these things play out and I I agree with misfilia in regard to that. There's.

S

Nothing, mr mr hudson's, not bringing a project today he's just bringing a proposed taxi, which.

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I'm comfortable with, however, in terms of timing and notice to the community about this text. Member.

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What I would suggest, mr hudson and staff is we do first reading on the fourth and then and then do.

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Second, reading, a month later, and as opposed to two weeks later during that month period.

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um We can make sure that the community is is better plugged into this than they might.

F

Otherwise, thank you very much uh councilman veer then, mr mr shelby. First, please just a reminder.

H

Council I had the opportunity to conference with the clerk and, interestingly consistent with.

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The discussion of councilman dingfelder I've been informed that the publication deadlines.

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Are such for the clerk that second read cannot be on the 18th, so the second reading.

H

With publication would be scheduled for march 4th, and that would be the notice public hearing.

E

Thank you, mr terry. No, you know the way I read this. uh It has enough of a. um How can I call it a.

E

um A leash on it where city council still has a an extreme amount of discretion on what happens.

E

You know, given the fact that it's coming back to us on february 4th and then its second reading is.

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Going to be in march, um I think there is more than ample time I think uh for from mr hudson uh to.

E

To uh potentially work with uh now, just just to be clear, this is not quasi-judicial correct.

H

That's correct: this is a text amendment, that's what I thought. Okay, just making sure.

E

um That you know that gives more than ample time I think, uh to to address councilman good's concerns.

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uh And whatnot, but I think that that when, if if this passes, uh it has a leash where we can.

E

Continue to have a hold on it, in my opinion, that being said, you know all all legitimate and good.

E

Faith concerns should be addressed, but I think that there's more than enough time to address.

E

Them and uh and mr hudson has obviously heard uh councilman good's uh concerns and I'm sure can.

E

Proceed with them, I I would think that I'm good. Mr um sveer, I mean I'm just asking the question.

M

Because people will ask me the questions down the road, so I like to head off the questions. People.

M

Don't even get there yep, so let's head them off and then we can. We can go from there. Councilman.

F

Carlson could would you mind um miss feely, would you mind just repeating to us along lines of.

L

Councilman good's concerned, could you just repeat to us what the geographic limitations.

L

Of this are, and is it possible to tighten it up since it's really about one project.

L

Maybe tyler it's not it's not my understanding that this is about one project and this would be.

J

Throughout the city, and in fact, when we analyzed it from a staff perspective, you know we look at.

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West shore, we look at what's by the air, for if you look at what's up um in in council members,.

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District across the city, you look also what's down south again. How would this impact and what parcels.

J

And that's why we gave you kind of that slide of what this would really impact now it would only.

J

Impact that, if, if those parcels of that size chose to participate in a rezoning or sought some other.

J

Entitlement so we kind of analyzed it that way, but it it would apply citywide and then what we were.

J

Trying to do was show you where in the past it had been executed and how often this is not a very.

J

Utilized planning district, it does really take a larger scale project um and in midtown, which is.

J

Such a unique situation because they have been able to go vertical on almost every one of those.

J

Parcels simultaneously, which does not happen but prior to that being mid-top. uh That was.

J

Tampa sphere, it was a pda from back in the late um 80s early 90s and that sat there for years.

J

And years and years and never got it had that incremental ability, but never got that. So this.

J

This would be city-wide um and what we've done in the past two decades was kind of band-aided.

J

Because to do a pd and you guys look at pd's all the time.

J

And you see the amount of detail that are in them when you put that up to.

J

50 acres, which is what the code is now and that just went into effect in 2008, that 50 quantity.

J

Went with the pda, um you can't, as tyler said, put the dumpster on for 50 acres. The trucks are blonde.

J

For 50 acres, so landscape plants, um so this just brings that 50 acres down to 20 and then says.

J

If you're a parcel of 20 acres or more- and you would like the potential to proceed with the pda.

J

You now have it and here are the conditions that run with it, but it is a public hearing process.

J

And you must petition to be honest, all right are there any other questions, if not we'll wrap it up.

F

So do we need a motion to set this for first reading march, 4th I'm sorry february 4th.

H

No, I believe it's already been set, but just just a reminder to uh to mr hudson that the clerk has.

H

Informed us, the second read, would not be on the um 18th of february, but would rather be on march 4th.

F

Okay, councilman seacher. Did you have anything, sir? No sir, thank you, mr sure, very good. Anything else.

F

No great we'll move on to item number three: we have um a powerpoint.

F

Regarding parking in the right-of-way one of the many many complaints that I receive on an.

F

Almost daily basis, at all hours of the day from my constituents go ahead. Vic I see you on the line.

F

Good morning, chair and good morning, council vic veda director of mobility department.

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uh I'm here to address item number three uh motion to appear and discuss parking: the rights of way.

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Particularly in residential areas, next slide, please so rodging! You know the presentation.

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Will kind of outline what the issues are, how we address some of these concerns and what are some.

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Of the things we're looking at going forward uh and the details in the motion next slide.

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So quick background, you know uh we have plenty of narrow feet, uh 17 feet or sometimes even narrower.

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Which do have on-street parking as well on them, which may sometimes create uh concerns? We also.

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Do have increasing parking demand, so mid-sized cities uh across the us. Our ownership has been.

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Going uh up and as we grow, we have to address some of these concerns, as we.

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uh Move forward so that's kind of the backdrop to uh the concern next slide.

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uh I'll go over some of the parking codes and statutes to understand what is allowed. What is not.

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And how we can address some of the challenges, but most of our code for parking is within chapter 15.

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And in essence, parking in front of residences or public driveways is regulated. It is unlawful for.

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uh Anyone to park or stand within 10 feet from the edge of a public or private driveway. Of course,.

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This puts pressures on neighborhoods uh in terms of availability of parking spaces.

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It's also unlawful uh uh to park a vehicle or stand if the street width is 25 feet or lesser.

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So that kind of goes back to us having some.

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A good portion of narrower streets and the challenges with that next slide.

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So section 1544 states that 10 feet of the roadway must remain open to vehicular traffic. This is for.

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Emergency access for regular conveyance for bicyclists and pedestrians on streets.

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Especially residential streets, where, at times we don't have any sidewalks things like these.

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And some of the state and city ordinances that kind of uh apply as well uh things that we look at.

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Are uh driveways fire hydrants within 15 feet of fire hydrant uh for uh florida statutes.

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You cannot park, uh you can't park in front of driveways. As we talked about crosswalks uh you.

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Can park within 20 feet of crosswalks again? This is the enhanced visibility and the same applies.

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To traffic control devices like stop signs and traffic signals where that is actually 30 feet.

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Now there is some discretion with some of these numbers, depending on geography and the location.

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But the statute does state that we have to be within 30 feet of the approach next slide. Please.

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So our typical process is really case by case, uh given that we are somewhat limited with the.

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Existing rules on very narrow streets uh and we've got a couple of examples of these narrow streets.

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But, typically with parking concerns, we either receive a concern from residents or a business.

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It goes to the mobility department, our customer service, folks, our traffic investigations team.

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Is responsible for looking into these? They look at speeding and other issues as well, so they're.

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Very familiar with the neighborhoods and the most typical measures that we take the address parking.

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uh Concerns not so much capacity related, but uh uh you know there may be a restaurant nearby and.

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People are parking in the neighborhood and there is insufficient width or 10 feet of clearance.

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Like we said so, we do parking restriction, signs and you'll see these all over the city.

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We notify code enforcement as well because of the city code activation, but also more recently,.

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We've empowered code enforcement to issue parking citations in residential neighborhoods as well.

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Mainly to increase the city's capacity to manage some of these challenges next slide, please.

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We also do have parking restrictions and requests so.

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uh Vehicle vehicles that are parked in violation may be ticketed. The ticket is about 29, it is 29.

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uh And, as I mentioned, code enforcement can now issue these tickets as well.

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So that just broadens the pool of uh folks, we have to support our neighborhoods next slide. Please.

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uh We also have a residential parking program that a neighborhood can avail off.

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And this information is available on our website. We will.

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uh Improve how we communicate that information as well. In essence, a neighborhood can opt to utilize.

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This residential parking permit, the permit, is issued to both residents or businesses.

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Residents can apply for a minimal one, but can apply for more residential parking permits. uh If.

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Their uh current facility has no off street parking; uh they also have the ability to.

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Purchase the third permit for potential guests, and things like that next slide. Please.

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Continuing on this for businesses, with a residential within a residential parking.

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Area uh businesses may obtain a minimum of four residential parking permits uh and they're valid.

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From four a.m to nine pm, uh this is kind of the offset uh uh typical residential parking permits.

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That are uh overnight in essence, and this is a way for us to accommodate both needs. They may be used.

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Interchangeably between business employees and their customers, but they are limited next slide.

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We also have guest residential parking permits uh and there's a maximum of one allowed and.

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We have some provisions for flexibility to that as well, where we can do an additional seven.

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Days uh residential permits for folks that are going to stay for a long time next slide. Please.

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Other considerations that uh you know we look at and uh consider are.

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That for uh residential streets, that are, you know less than 17 feet. uh There is no on-street parking.

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Officially permitted, although there there are instances where uh there is parking currently.

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And then for roadways between 17 and 23 uh feet again, these are kind of uh uh best practice.

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Standards, if you will uh parking, is permitted on one side uh but typically, especially as you.

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Get closer to that 23. There are cases where that may not be in. There are folks parking on.

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Both sides again as long as we've got that 10 feet of space enough for emergency vehicles to.

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Get through those are the things we look at on the case by case basis and then you've got your.

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Wider right subway, where you have greater than 23 feet and you can park on both sides.

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And- and we could even uh consider parking aisles uh at that time next slide. Please.

T

Other considerations with residential parking uh is it's actually good for traffic farming. In that.

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Just the presence of these park vehicles slow the streets down a little bit. This has been documented.

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By a study done by natto, which is the national association of city transportation, officials.

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They call it yield streets almost because it increases the awareness.

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Of motorists going through these neighborhoods uh next slide, please.

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So other considerations are: how do we grow? We know we're growing rapidly.

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We know that not only will our residential population increase, we will continue to be.

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The job center for our region- and this does uh put some pressures on.

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Our residential streets, as we move forward uh and and really it's a multi-pronged strategy.

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To address some of these issues so we're looking at fostering transit, uh which will certainly.

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uh Help distribute the modes that are available for people to move forward. This is a long-term.

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Undertaking in terms of development of viable transit options, city-wide.

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Certainly we're looking at parking policy as well.

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And looking at parking requirements and how they apply to residential areas uh and then through.

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Our moves process, our mobility master plan- if you will one of the things we're looking at, is.

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Reclassification of all of our streets within the city and looking at where target investments were.

T

Most benefit when it comes to residential design and configuration next slide. Please.

T

That's all I have uh happy to take any questions and provide councilman citro. Thank you very much.

R

Mr chair vic, as as always great presentation, thank you for all you do within our city uh with.

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Mobility, uh council members. The reason why I asked vic to make this presentation today is because our.

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Streets were plotted and our land was plotted at a time when each household only had one vehicle.

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And many of our streets do not have sidewalks. So as I'm going through many sections of.

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Of tampa east tampa west tampa south tampa. I am seeing women pushing their baby strollers.

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In the streets kids having to walk to school in the streets, but my main concern was the safety.

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And the access by first responders, when we have small streets and both sides of.

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The streets are lined with cars, it's difficult for our first responders to get down the street.

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So I I like all of this have had calls from constituents saying what are we going to do.

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About this I wanted to let the public know that we are concerned vic with mobility is concerned and.

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We are looking at trying to rectify this problem. I hope it doesn't come to this, but as the city grows.

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We're going to have to decide on how parking is on our streets, but I wanted to assure everybody.

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In tampa that we are working on some solutions to this problem, we are also getting calls. If I may.

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Say of people parking their vehicles on the actual right-of-way that space between the sidewalks.

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And the street- and I want- I want our citizens to know that. Yes, mobility is looking at this.

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Situation vic, as always again, thank you for the work you do, mr chair. Thank you very much for the.

R

Opportunity to speak. Thank you very much and to piggyback on on some of your comments. We have.

F

Issues throughout west tampa, specifically throughout the city of tampa, but but in.

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Many neighborhoods that I represent that we all represent commercial vehicles parking all day.

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In neighborhoods, as councilman sitra has mentioned, uh vehicles employee vehicles, parking on rideaways.

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Where there are sidewalks and where there are not sidewalks, and not only is it a safety issue.

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um It's it deteriorates the look of the neighborhood and when we when I say that you know.

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Everybody says I'm a taxpayer, I pay my taxes and it's true. You know they pay their taxes. They they.

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The american dream is, is oftentimes considered as home ownership and when people put so much.

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Of their earnings into their mortgages into their homes into that american dream.

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And they see their neighborhoods deteriorating because of commercial vehicles because of.

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Employees parking from certain businesses on the right-of-way narrowing the streets making it.

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Harder for emergency vehicles, making it harder for that mother, as councilman citro mentioned, to push.

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That stroller, someone that is in a wheelchair to get through there we're going to have.

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Issues where people are going to get hit, pedestrians are going to get hit emergency.

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Vehicles won't be able to get through in time, but again just simple respect for the neighborhood. I.

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Mean you can't just have these cars flooding areas because a certain business decides to move in.

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Without ample parking, we have to look at the code. We have to look at, you know, what's in violation.

F

And what's not because I'm getting calls every day or someone contacts emails whatever it is, but it's.

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Every day that I'm hearing it and every day I'm driving through these neighborhoods because I.

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See it firsthand, so I appreciate that you've brought this up and and councilman carlson.

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I know second, did the motion um and we're having this discussion. Do you have anything anything else.

F

Councilman carlson sorry to go after you, but um uh the one of the big problems that we've.

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Faced is enforcement, that's really fix area, um and I know oc and her team have been working on it.

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John bennett has been working on it um in the decal area. um You know the folks are upset because.

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Uber drivers and others delivery drivers park in front of a.

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um It park illegally in front of driveways they park um in front of.

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Fire hydrants and other other things and it's hard to get the police to come because they.

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Have more important things to do? Chief bennett, working with code enforcement has set up a new.

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Division that we asked for a year or more ago and my understanding is it's going to kick off soon.

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It's taken a long time for that. To start, I've asked the folks from that unit to give us an.

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Update, maybe we should get them to come officially before city council, but but without enforcement.

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None of this matters, because if if people can get away with parking in front of your driveway, if I.

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Can find a fire hydrant? Then that's a big problem. The other thing is a year and a half ago, or so we.

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Made it we passed a motion to ask the administration to create a city-wide.

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Sidewalk plan and a city-wide bicycle plan, um if the money, if the supreme court votes.

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uh To uphold offer transportation or some part of it, then we would suddenly have a lot of money to.

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To work with that, but to councilman sitro's point: uh if we have those plans, then we can. We can talk.

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To neighborhoods about what we can do and can't do and what the timing of it is and the same thing is.

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Happening in parks, vic's team took our requests and put them into the mobility plan process, which.

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Looks at all of it together, but, as that starts to roll out, I think we need to really engage.

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Neighborhoods and communities to talk to them about the options talk to them about the problems.

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They're facing and try to solve them because, as we've said many times, especially because of covet.

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Neighborhoods and people in their communities are very concerned about what's going on with.

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Them because they're, working and and sleeping and doing their entertainment in their neighborhoods.

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And also neighborhoods felt like outside of downtown felt like they were ignored for.

L

Many years, so we need to try to play catch up here. Thank you. Thank you very much. Anybody else.

F

Again, vic. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next up is item number four to discuss parking.

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Concerns in ebor on 7th avenue and surrounding neighborhoods go ahead. Sir sure. Thank you chair.

T

And councilman, I do have a presentation. Ask a quick question. Yes, marty can I I forgot to.

L

Ask you about this, can I ask you my office is on 7th avenue and it potentially my customers.

L

Were parked on 7th avenue? Do I have a conflict? Should I step out, or can I talk about this issue.

L

You can talk about this issue at this point. It's okay, it's not a conflict! Okay! Thank you. Thanks.

T

Thank you, karen director mobility department, I'm here to address item number four, a motion made by.

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Councilman seapro and councilman carlson to appear and discuss.

T

Parking concerns in default city, particularly on.

T

7Th avenue and the surroundings we do have a presentation for it, so we can bring that up.

T

But I do have it up here uh as well on my computer. I can walk through that that.

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All works share my screen.

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Can you all see my screen? Yes, sir, go ahead great, thank you.

T

So this is the area around 7th avenue that the parking division operates. Parking on.

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On street, as well as off street, it's palm to the north uh third avenue to the style.

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Nuccio parkway to the west and uh 22nd street to the east. So this is the area that we're.

T

Looking at and discussing particularly 7th avenue, that is, the primary commercial spine.

T

So some of the challenges that we have on 7th avenue, especially when it comes to parking.

T

uh One is a lack of turnover oftentimes. The folks that arrive early on 7th avenue can be.

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Employees and staff and they park on 7th avenue, which creates lesser opportunities for customers.

T

At times, then, there's freight- we don't have enough dedicated trade cases, given the amount of.

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Commercial activity, retail activity along 7th avenue that leads to delivery.

T

Trucks double parking at times and creating congestion, also creating additional emissions.

T

We also have a lot of motorcycle enthusiasts that do uh fly seventh avenue. uh Sometimes we.

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Find like the picture shown uh in the presentation that multiple bikes are parked uh either in one.

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Space or a couple of spaces and a whole bunch of bikes, they're, either idling or playing loud music.

T

Or just you know parked there at times oftentimes these can be reserved metered parking spaces. That.

T

Are dedicated for a specific purpose and reserved by a separate entity. This also adds to the.

T

Congestion, because when these spaces are occupied in this manner, people continue to drive around.

T

Looking for parking spaces on 7th avenue pick, mr chair, can I make a comment while that picture's up.

L

um You all may know, uh but I think that's the italian club and at least I've seen pictures.

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Just like that italian club and the problem is that they have weddings there, people spend a.

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Lot of money on weddings and they and then they walk out and there's a lot of noise and other.

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Things going on there, and so that's I just want to add a little bit of flavor to that.

R

If I may also very quickly uh to your point, uh councilman carlson when those parking spaces.

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Are reserved what's called bagged and there is actually these bright red bags or orange bags that.

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Are placed there to reserve those parking spots now, I'm not going to condemn any motorcycle rider.

R

Because I am a motorcycle rider, but when you reserve a parking space, it's reserved for that.

R

Event and some of these people, whether they're in cars or motorcycles, go down there and park uh past.

R

The extended time of two hours, so, yes, I've heard the same phone calls as you. Please vic go ahead.

T

Thank you, councilman and, and that's a good point, because uh with limited controls, we have limited.

T

Incentive or our uh the community has limited incentives to curb some of these behaviors so.

T

We work with code, we work with tpd, but if they're repetitive, it becomes very hard to.

T

Have the resources to stay on it? We do have better ways to address some.

T

Of these challenges and we're working uh with ycdc and some of the stakeholders in the area.

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uh So some of the things that we're proposing uh to address these challenges include, you know.

T

Increasing enforcement we've done some of these already increased. The enforcement of the two-hour.

T

Spaces, a lot of these on-street fixes are to our spaces and they're two hour spaces, because it's.

T

A main street commercial district: you want that turnover on this street and that really helps so.

T

But that enforcement also comes uh with a need for resources and if there aren't.

T

Any resources generated on uh on that commercial district, then it puts additional pressures on us.

T

We're also moving towards flex spaces and really the reason for moving towards flex spaces is to.

T

One recognize that needs of a corridor or a roadway might change over time and space.

T

And I'll give you an example: hotels, for example, have uh checkout and check-in needs. You know 11am.

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And 3pm, typically their loading unloading might be in the morning and then in the evenings that space.

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Might be more for pickup and drop off, and things like that, and so we're right now experimenting.

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With these type of flex, spaces for different uses to see how we can service more people, an.

T

Hour, rather than just have a car parked there, which is typically a single occupant vehicle.

T

uh So these are some of the things we're looking at we're, also looking at the code and are there.

T

Any code changes but I'd like to temper that only because we're going through the moves process and.

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The reclassification of all of our streets to understand what their purpose is to our context.

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Today and that information will really help towards fashioning a better policy.

T

We have moved to new bags, so uh councilman zebra was right. We have the red bags, but.

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We're moving to much larger bags that make it very clear what the intent of the space is. The.

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Picture to your right, uh kinda shows that and we've of course shared this with our partners.

T

And code enforcement and tpd as well to again improve our enforcement and management efforts.

T

This is the general inventory of spaces. uh We have about 24 motorcycle spaces, nine.

T

On the 1200 block of eight 15 spaces on 16th street, uh we have 35 uh freight spaces.

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Across the district, but again we recognize that uh the freight uh need is higher and we're looking.

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At options like without playing earlier, uh we have about 373 sign spaces and a 2400.

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Rod which is uh the e-board uh garage, so that's kind of the backdrop of you know the challenges.

T

Some of the things that we're looking at and we continue to work with the community to.

T

Address uh some of these items at this point I'll be happy to take uh questions.

F

Councilman citro. Thank you very much, mr vic. Again, a wonderful presentation.

R

To councilman carlson's point.

R

The staffing to go out and make sure that these parking spaces where people are parking.

R

Correctly, we we just don't have the staffing right now. Maybe we should think about hiring more people.

R

In parking divisions and give them parking tickets, so they can hand them out is. Is there any thought.

R

To maybe uh a motor part excuse me: motorcycle parking on the side streets say 15th to 22nd and.

R

And and have them park on that that side of the street and to your slide presentation? Yes, we have.

R

Employees that park outside of their business and stay there all day and all night instead of the.

R

Two-Hour parking that they're allowed on on 7th avenue. These are all things that we can look at.

R

But again vic. Thank you very much for your presentation. Thank you. Thank you. Anybody else.

F

Councilman carlson um two things real fast um vic- and I mentioned this to you privately.

L

I wish that we could push, and this goes with other parts of town too. I wish we could push.

L

More people to the app um and there's there's some arguments about that. People who are 80 or.

L

Others can't use apps or don't know how to use them. I have a lot of friends who are over 80 and.

L

They're able to use apps just fine, but I wish we could. We have the kiosk also if people don't.

L

Want to use the apps, but I wish we could send people the apps so that they have to sign up for.

L

The the two-hour free parking and then it would text them or alert them when it's over and if. If.

L

We somewhere in the city have a policy, that's two hours free and then we would charge after that. We.

L

Would already have them in the system, so we'd just start charging them or where it where it runs out.

L

Maybe a big red sign would pop up on their phone and tell them that they can't park there anymore.

L

The second thing is that you know we're also getting feedback um for this and other issues.

L

That the city is trying to fleece or or rip off the public um because of parking.

L

Could you go back and um uh you know there are concerns of people who think that peop.

L

On 7th avenue that folks are parking too long and these turnovers, so that businesses can get more.

L

More uh business, um I know, because my office is there some office workers just park all.

L

Day long in the two two hour, um you know you know: people people all around where my office.

L

Is they put there and no nobody in the year and a half or whatever we've been, and nobody ever.

L

Comes to give them any tickets, they just park there all the time, and so the.

L

Restaurants and retailers can't can't get any business, but besides the complaints, we've heard.

L

From the retailers and restaurant tours about turn about wanting turnover, can you tell us just.

L

And tell the public what your reasons are for um for parking enforcement and raising parking fees.

T

Sure sure I'll be happy to do that, and and dear uh first point about apps. We are currently in the.

T

Process of wrapping up a procurement to introduce more apps uh parking apps within uh the city.

T

And this isn't to you know, complicate matters as much as this is to have.

T

There may be three or four very commonly used apps across the us, and what we want to be able to do is.

T

No matter where you may be, if you're visiting us, whatever app here, you might be using at home.

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Should be able to work here as well, uh it also creates a little more competition. Currently.

T

We only have one app vendor so once we finalize these apps we're actually going to put together.

T

In partnership with these app folks, a customer oriented group within the parking division.

T

A couple of staff members that will first get trained on these apps really well.

T

And then we'll reach out and we'll create a program to reach out to businesses uh to places of.

T

Worship to the community at large and train people on these apps and yes, some of these apps are.

T

Actually, pretty easy to use once they're installed and once you know you know how to navigate them.

T

But we're cognizant of that as well uh on on the reason for the parking changes that we're making.

T

uh It's really kind of goes back to uh uh the rabbi's invocation from this morning.

T

We're playing ending uh seeds uh of a strategy that will really express itself 20 30 years from.

T

Now, that's when we're going to have very acute challenges around climate change uh and a lot of.

T

Things are related to parking uh one quick thing on parking itself: parking takes up a lot of space.

T

In most urban areas, midsize city is about a third of downtown. Are nothing but parking space.

T

uh Each space can cost up to twenty thousand dollars in garages, much lesser, of course, on.

T

An on-street basis, but that's prime real estate uh and single occupant vehicles, get used about.

T

Five, six percent of the time- uh so that's I mean parking- is a very expensive.

T

Item when it comes to mobility, of course, having your personal vehicle is very good, very convenient.

T

I enjoy my vehicle, but that's the backdrop. So what we're doing is we're one uh updating our parking.

T

Prices, we have updated our parking prices, mainly because we had an updated prices in like 16 years.

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And we weren't able to sustain the current parking enterprise, let alone invest in the future. So this.

T

Is a two-step plan one is to make ourselves old in terms of being able to support the services.

T

uh That we provide right now, the other is incent, behaviors uh and, and the you know some of these.

T

Strategies are pretty well studied, so main street corridors, even seventh avenue, for example,.

T

uh Potentially, on street paid parking will address the issue of transients out there.

T

Now we understand that the community uh you know may be uh uh may feel differently about.

T

It in certain cases and that's why we're giving ourselves a whole year to work with the community.

T

To work through ycdc to work with the businesses and residents to really see what will work best to.

T

Manage some of those challenges on seventh avenue, the other thing with parking is, it is intricately.

T

Tight to housing affordably, it's it's kind of not very intuitive, and it is baked into our.

T

Strategy, so our strategy is kind of three-pronged. When you look at transforming pamphlets tomorrow,.

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Sustainability resilience, housing, affordability, all of that and transportation. So.

T

Pricing parking correctly incense behavioral changes uh the next step of that strategy.

T

Is parking requirements and updating parking requirements uh uh within uh developments.

T

And within new uh uh units, and what that does is, if you manage the parking requirements correctly,.

T

The um available real estate for housing stock increases and that puts downward pressure and.

T

Housing prices as well, so that is related to how much we charge for parking both on street and off.

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Street and what operations we do and the end game from this is, of course, sustainability, benefits.

T

uh Housing, affordability and, of course, incenting people to use, transit and alternate modes of.

T

Transportation, it is understood that today we do not have the level of public transportation.

T

And bike walk and other connectivity modes that we need to make that complete uh transformation and.

T

Make it as convenient as using a personal vehicle, but that journey starts with parking policy reform.

T

And so it does have some short-term consequences which we will continue to work and.

T

Manage uh but the long game is really to address all of these multiple issues.

T

Together, just respond real, quick, just real fast. um Thank you for all that uh the public.

L

Works has hired a new communication person at our recommendation um and- uh and I know you all- are.

L

Gearing up trying to engage the public in lots of ways everything you just said, I think, needs to get.

L

Out to as many residents as possible in as many ways as possible and and it needs to be two-way.

L

Where we hear back and forth um you know, the the beta bay issue was prior administration, but was.

L

The communication was not handled well at all. I think that's what everybody's trying to avoid here.

L

And one last thing is: vic really walks the walk. You see his parking spaces behind him. I pass.

L

Him almost every day driving, while he's riding his bike diligently to work. So thank you for um you're.

L

Reducing your carbon footprint, and hopefully I can do it one day soon. Thank you. Thank you. Councilman.

F

Goodes councilman cedric right. You know. I have good friends that work down in the board. Vic.

M

And we always talk about the long-range goals and I guess I have the old police office mentality. I.

M

Don't have the option of a long-range goal, I have to fix the problem as soon as possible. When I look.

M

At e-board and I go and I see all the motorcycles that are parked all down on the board. You have to.

M

Have a plan and I'm trying to figure out what the plan is, because I look at the workers down there.

M

A lot of workers: well, they need some more place to park. Maybe they need their own parking. uh A.

M

Lot or what have you for the workers so that way, you free up your parking spaces for those folks.

M

Who are coming into town those who want to go down for lunch? uh And now the business owners.

M

Park in that lot, the uh the employees park in that particular lot. It might be a small minimum fee. You.

M

Have to charge for that, but I think a lot of them hate working have to go back to the parking meter.

M

Boston and go pay more money to meet her. I just look at solutions. You know we talk about.

M

Long-Range goals, I'm not a long-range goals, type of guy, I'm a guy that what's the problem, how can.

M

I fix the problem now, how can I get a fix on it now and then I can work for a long range, but can.

M

I fix it right now and how would I fix it and for me it to me it's simple me: I mean I go down there.

M

I don't go a lot now, but the motorcycles park take up all the spaces revenue engines, the noise.

M

I mean I went down there maybe a month ago, just to walk to see. What's going on in my district.

M

And the little uh spanish club that has a cigar- and I want to sit down out there for.

M

Social distance now I couldn't miss it because of the combustion from the motorcycles. The noise.

M

The revving of the engines, so I think we have to look at the solutions now and and to me I think.

M

There are some quick fixes, I think, if you look at you putting those signs out in those leaving times.

M

Saying no motorcycles parked or like mississippi, have a desert place for those motorcycles. Have.

M

A daily spot to where we can say, okay, we're going to help our citizens, who are workers here.

M

With their paycheck so that paycheck isn't all going to parking, let's do something with.

M

The owners- and we should so we know- have communications and I've said this from day.

M

One communication mr carlson repeats it. You know I don't like to pick on the police department. I get.

M

So upset sometimes that I hear about shootings or something happens, and I I don't know about it to.

M

Residents come and call me about it, but I think it's just totally crazy. We're all councilmembers.

M

We have a district and we know what's going on, not everything's a secret, uh we don't. You know care.

M

About how you internal stuff, or just what's going on, I think this calls in right even with parking.

M

I'm glad that solid waste has done that as well. It's a good thing, but I think that there are some.

M

Quick fixes, I hope that you and your staff will look at some of those quick fixes, because I think.

M

You have some losses, you might can turn in or look at what you can turn into a place for employees.

M

Because that's what they're asking about the employees are asking about that too? They may pay.

M

Something by the month or whatever, but I think they're valuable to pay that or I talked to a.

M

Couple of business owners what we we could pay for our employees for the month or some place. So these.

M

Are the conversations I think that are quick features that need to take place to get things.

M

Moving and get things moving now so hopefully that you'll take that and take that back to your staff.

M

And we can see we can keep on playing with that. Are you back? Thank you again for your work. Vic.

F

Thank you, councilman sitra, you, you took the words right out of my mouth uh uh councilman goods when.

R

I was with ycdc, we had been hearing about this from employers and employees alike that there.

R

Is nowhere for the employees to park, I'm hoping that something could be done rather quickly, where.

R

Discounted rates within our two parking garages, fernando noriega and the 15th street parking for.

R

Businesses, restaurant or otherwise, to have spaces available for their employees in these.

R

Parking lots at some sort of rate that the businesses and or the employees can afford.

R

So vic, if you could look into that, maybe report back to us in the next couple months or something.

R

uh Whether it be individually or in front of council again.

R

But yes, that that is another key to the uh to the parking situation. Vic again, thank you.

R

Thank you, mr chair. Anybody else: councilman dingfelder, if you're on the line.

F

All right uh hearing- none, I I do have an item I know vic is here before us. I have an item that.

F

I'm going to bring up during new business, I'm sure you all know what it is, because.

F

Yes, yeah um I can, I can bring it up now, uh vic, I I it's easy all right yeah. I think it.

Q

Would be better all right? Let's do this. um We received a huge amount of emails.

F

And communication from folks in downtown regarding a previously passed ordinance.

F

From a few months ago, 2020-122 regarding the new parking rates, it's an overwhelming.

F

Response from downtown residents, church goers people using the riverwalk and whatnot.

F

My motion would be that we repeal the previously passed ordinance, at least temporarily and.

F

Temporarily, go back to the language of what we had on the books with the previous rules regarding.

F

Parking downtown, while we figured this out. My intentions are that we look at downtown parking.

F

And don't start charging until at least one or two o'clock in the afternoon. And the reason is.

F

You have so many people that come down to go to church. You have so many people that are exercising.

F

In the morning you have, um you know, other folks that utilize downtown street parking. Perhaps we.

F

Could look at doing it within a a certain area? Certain you know within a few blocks of downtown.

F

That we do this, what I want to know is what the financial impact would be. I think it's minimal.

F

Because it is sunday and historically sunday has been free, so it's just basically like free until.

F

One or two in the afternoon, I think this would alleviate a lot of the concerns of folks downtown.

F

I don't think it's too much to ask, and while this is up in the air, as we figure this out.

F

How much time do you think legal or you yourself vic, would need that we can bring this back up.

F

And and come to a solution what a a month! What a few weeks.

T

uh A month would suffice, uh we would certainly be able to you know, look into some potential policies.

T

uh But uh chairman, if, if I may, I'd like to kind of provide a quick background on this.

T

uh Because we have made some accommodations, I mean uh we talked about the long term picture.

T

Certainly, uh we did look at, uh I think councilman yeah didn't councilman.

S

No, I was raising my hand when you're done.

T

So so we we did consider uh you know uh the entire community and their needs uh within this area.

T

Even when we structured the policy and kind of did away with the previous rule of everything north of.

T

Kennedy uh be free on weekend, so one of the things we have done is uh we have created a free parking.

T

Until 1 pm on weekends for the entire community, it has 320 spaces at the scott street lot.

T

Now this scott street lot is uh granted about eight minutes uh walking distance within.

T

A lot of the areas around uh you know, twigs, kennedy, zach and, uh and that and also the ashley.

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uh This is available right now. This has been made available right now. The other.

T

Thing is for patrons that may be disabled and have a decal. They can park anywhere on the street free.

T

Of charge free of cost for up to four hours, so we have that provision also uh and then a lot of the.

T

A lot of the community needs where you know they have historically been parking on street. uh There.

T

Are alternatives as well that are currently available? It's just if parking on street is.

T

Free it's more convenient to park, you know a block away, and I understand that certainly, but I do want.

T

To highlight that if we go back to the previous policy that impacts about 1300 1350 spaces,.

T

And and really the need right now that we're looking at or the condition we're looking at is.

T

You know, I understand it's a short-term concern, we're in the middle of a pandemic.

T

But it will impact our long-term strategy uh in the previous point, where it's talking.

T

About the long-term strategy, there are impacts to it, especially within the downtown, because.

T

As the county grows uh and a lot of the population growth is going to be in south county, but the jobs.

T

Will still be within downtown and west shore in the urban core, and the concern is: how do we want.

T

People or how do we want the community to best access some of these areas in the long term,.

T

Such that we mitigate the effects of climate change, we mitigate the crashes and some of.

T

The congestion- and so it's really please consider the short term and long term and based on that, I.

T

Mean we would be able to look at something uh in the short term, all right, councilman, dink, felder.

F

Thank you. Thank you, mr thank you. Vic.

S

Yeah I and dick- and I talked about this at length uh yesterday and and frankly, I think.

S

Mr chairman, I'll be glad to second your motion. I think that the um in regard to this sunday morning.

S

There there's no there's no competition for spaces downtown on sunday morning and uh and I think that.

S

uh Inflicting that kind of pain on the limited number of folks who do want to come downtown.

S

On sunday morning, um I think we have to weigh the costs and benefits and- um and I just can't.

S

You know it's unfortunate, yes, council did this, we didn't have any just any particular discussion on.

S

It uh on this particular issue, but it's now popped up as a flash point and I think we should address.

S

It um I think we should address it quickly. um I think we should rescind 20-122 and go and.

S

Mr chairman, and- um and I mean stat legal can tell us otherwise, but I think we could rescind.

S

It very very quickly, and then staff can come back to us march, 4th with a with an additional.

S

No quickly in february, I think we should rescind it and then they can come back to us at some later.

S

Date with some other proposals- okay, so I would say uh to uh rescind it or repeal it whatever word you.

F

Want to use february 4th, but vic had mentioned at least 30 days, which would put us march 4th so.

F

March, 4th staff can come back with some solutions and discussion and I'm happy to help because I.

F

Have my ideas of how we could do this, but um so we'll do that councilman sietra then councilman.

F

Carlson then councilman vieira. Thank you very much, mr chair. I I I'm not looking at rescinding.

R

This whole thing in all of downtown tampa. My thoughts are twix to the north florida to the west.

R

Pierce to the east and kennedy to the south. Now, if we're talking about churches, then we're also.

R

Talking about the other things that go along with those churches, so if we're talking about sunday.

R

Then you're taking away the other nights of the week where alcoholics anonymous may be meeting.

R

You're, taking away other nights of the week where choirs may be meeting with these churches.

R

You're, taking away other nights of the week where these churches hold non-profit organizations or.

R

Non-Profit helps at these churches so just to say sunday, I don't think you're doing the greatest.

R

uh Benefit to these churches. Yes, that's when the parishioners go into worship.

R

But there are other organizations downtown that have youth groups that are fraternal organizations.

R

That have been relying on these parking spaces for free, so their memberships can go down there. Other.

R

Days than sunday, monday, tuesday, thursday saturdays so in in my little square area, again twigs to the.

R

North florida to the west pierce to the east and kennedy to the south, I would also like to look at.

R

The rest of the week after six o'clock until five o'clock or six o'clock the next morning or.

R

Six o'clock until midnight, so I'm just throwing my two cents in as far as the rest of downtown.

R

Goes in my opinion, rip the band-aid off. Let's go ahead and start charging for parking with the.

R

Exception of this designated area, very good. Thank you, mr chair councilman, carlson councilman vieira.

L

I'm against um um rolling back the whole uh ordinance. I think.

L

What I would recommend is that we ask staff to come back with a specific recommendation.

L

Regarding this issue and by the way, I don't think you said it yet vic, but I think legal has told you.

L

That we can't just target churches, it has to be something broader, um but uh there most of.

L

We got a lot of emails, but frankly we're gonna get a lot more emails about toilet to tap next week.

L

And so I hope you all respond. Similarly on that um pure toilet water is what I'm calling it now.

L

um But anyway, um the uh what I think the long-term solution is is something like what I said for ebor.

L

Which is where we have an app, or you said, series of apps where and you and you'll set up tents.

L

And train folks and you'll go to the churches and wherever else and train folks and how to use them.

L

But and they'll be kiosks but where they can get, maybe two hours free parking and they can choose.

L

We can set the day or whatever, but eventually we've got to switch to this kind of system.

L

And most of the emails talked about covid as being as hurt temporarily hurting the churches and other.

L

Activities in downtown, and so my recommendation is that we, if we do anything, it would be a a.

L

Like surgical uh specific area to maybe delay just just downtown on sunday for a few hours.

L

Maybe for a few blocks, while you come up with a longer term solution and that and in the short.

L

Term maybe it would be that we would delay it through all of this year whenever we think covet.

L

Is going to be done, thank you. Councilman vieira councilman goodes, then councilman dean, felder.

E

Thank you, mr chair, and I agree with councilman carlson in the sense that you know whatever we do.

E

We we ought to have it uh narrowly tailored. I know that you know- and I thought of that as well, which.

E

Is obviously we can't tailor this to uh religious organizations? I I prefer to call it partners.

E

In improving the community that could include civic organizations that could include religions.

E

Or strike that organizations that happen to be religious, and we have to understand that you know.

E

By by putting a a fear and assessment whenever you I don't want to, when I use the word tax, I don't.

E

Mean it literally like a tax, but whenever you put a fee or a tax, whatever you want to call in on.

E

Something you're going to ultimately inadvertently uh discourage a behavior. You've got to weigh as.

E

Councilman dingfelder said the benefits and the uh in the uh uh detriments of a particular action. So.

E

I think, as councilman carlson said, we have to narrowly tailor this. Obviously you know it got me.

E

Thinking back because back in 2010 to 11 to 12 on virtually every single saturday night, I was there.

E

With my son at sacred heart catholic church, which is one of the best churches, and just regardless of.

E

Your religious faith, if any, is just a a wonderful institution. My my great grandparents used to go.

E

There and my grandmother and my and my uncle uh used to go there like 80 85 years ago or so so.

E

I have a lot of sentimentality for that church, but there's a lot of different civic institutions that.

E

Are religious as well as secular there that could be detrimentally affected by this, but we've got.

E

To do it in a nearly tailored way to take a look at the um the the overall agenda uh that mobility.

E

Was trying to have in terms of promoting this? um There could be some adverse effects that we didn't.

E

Consider initially, let's take a look at those, but let's make it narrowly tailored and come back.

E

Quickly to get the job done, thank you, councilman, goose and dan felder. If we we can wrap it up. There.

M

Very quickly chair, thank you for your leadership again this morning. You know I'm.

M

Raised in the church, I understand the church, my mother's, the mother of the church, so I understand how churches you know feel that they have their base. But when I look at the church.

M

I think there can be some alternatives, I mean most churches, I know to or attend.

M

They have the church van a church bus. I don't know if we have our trolley that runs on sunday. I'm not.

M

Too sure, or not a street car to where, if you have a designated site for the church parishioners that.

M

That trolley can pick them up and take them to the church. If we can't curtail a perfect.

M

Fit there's still a form of transportation place safe for their vehicles as well, and.

M

A mechanism that can get them to the church on time and so forth, so I mean we can curtail.

M

Some things, but maybe we should look at that as an option as well to where we, if we're talking about.

M

Specifically for the church and most of the emails, I've gotten have been from the church and maybe we.

M

Can get a partnership that way with the church as far as maybe having a trolley system, because.

M

Again, I say what most churches I've attended: they always have the church van or church bus.

M

That deal with their christians make sure they get into church on time and making sure for those who.

M

May not have vehicles or being dropped off, uh it may be an avenue. So that's just my thought.

F

Thank you very much, councilman dingfelder and we'll finish there.

S

Well, I never mentioned the word church in regard to this so and I don't think we should. I think.

S

This is about uh people who use downtown and when they use it and we've gotten a lot of emails from.

S

Downtown residents and they're concerned that if they have guests, spend the night on a saturday.

S

Night um that they have nowhere to park and it rolls over every sunday morning, so this is.

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This is broader than just churches. um I think here's my problem and with all due respect to my.

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My friend mr bienick, if we just leave it up to staff and say okay, scott come back to us with.

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Recommendations well, I heard mr b day loud and clear. He and I talked for probably 45 minutes.

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Yesterday, he's not in favor of changing anything, and I understand that that's his professional.

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Opinion and I respect it um and I admire it because it's as the rabbi said, it's looking.

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Into the future, about in a perfect world uh where we need to be, but unfortunately, the reality- and I.

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Think councilman goodes said this is we also have to look at where we're at today and.

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And- and you know we have hit- we have hit folks in the head with a pen um without much disguise.

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Without probably hardly any discussion whatsoever um and and and now we're seeing the results of it.

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um I honestly have thought about this long and hard, and I feel that it's extremely important.

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That right now we roll back this issue on sunday morning park. Okay, I'm not going to call it church.

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Not going to call it anything religious, mr citro, I agree with you. It's not city-wide. It's on a.

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Limited basis, I don't have the street the street parameters exactly, but but uh you know frankly,.

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um It needs to be a pretty pretty large area north of kennedy that we're talking about, but I think.

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We need to roll this thing back as quickly as possible and and just focus on some of the other.

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On some of the other areas and issues that that are a little more attainable right now,.

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um So that that's how we get there, mr chairman I'll, leave that up to you since you're the one.

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Who who brought this up and put it in a memo form- and I admire you for that. But I feel very.

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Very strongly that we need to address it quickly and with strong direction to mr b day and his team.

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Thank you very much, so my motion would be on march, I'm sorry february 4th that we.

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Rescind or repeal ordinance, 2020-122 and in the meantime temporarily go back to the.

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Language of the previous rules, meaning uh we we suspend that enforcement of these new rules.

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And march 4th, if staff will come back to council with with an update as how we can move forward.

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Again, I'm happy to talk to to transportation staff. We've heard from all the council members.

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Councilman sitro gave some specifics to some boundaries: councilman carlson councilman.

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Dinkbelter everybody's mentioned something so that is uh that is my motion. That february 4th, uh we.

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We bring on the agenda to repeal um ordinance 2020-122. Madam clerk, did you get that motion.

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I have it written down if you need it. Okay, we have a motion, wait councilman or mr shelby.

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Yes, council, thank you, martin shelby city, council attorney, just a reminder, council. The subject.

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Matter is coming back per your motion, but the florida statutes does require that ordinances.

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uh Go forward as you've experienced them through the process of two readings by in fuller title.

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Only usually is what we do so that I believe your intention is on bringing something back on.

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The fourth and I suspect my thought would be that whatever legal issues may have to be addressed in.

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Order to effectuate that the legal department will work um uh with council to be able to inform you.

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As to how best to proceed based on your motion- and we have- I mean if we need a second reading.

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There we have another council regular session on the 18th of february, so it still falls within the.

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Should fall within uh you know all the legal dates before march 4th before everything else.

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If I, if, if I can, mr chairman um again, the issue with the second reading is the same issue, we had.

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With the pda matter, in that the publication deadlines uh required by florida statutes, the.

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Clerk tells me that a march 4th would be uh your earliest second reading. If you do, if you do a.

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First reading again, council, my understanding is, and, and ms zellman did uh remind me- that.

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Your agenda for next week is pretty much.

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Set and ready to rock and roll with the draft tomorrow, this would have to be added on in.

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Some form or fashion, and that would have to be worked out logistically to get it on the fourth.

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Of february staff walks on staff walks on items chairman, if I could staff walk on items all the.

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Time at the last minute, this is an item that's important to the community. I think we can. We.

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Have the ability to walk it on yeah? I don't see, I'm I'm always saying. Yes, when they have last.

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Minute things I'm a I'm an accommodating guy so and I don't ask much councilman.

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Yes, I will confirm this later today, but uh it's very it's likely that we may not.

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Need to uh reveal the ordinance that we can still work within the existing framework.

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But I would like the opportunity to follow up uh later today, yeah that that's fair, that.

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My question is it in: I don't know if this is illegal whatever, instead of resending the entire.

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Ordinance can we just, can we just affect certain part of it? um I I would be willing to vote for.

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That rescinding the entire ordinance opens up a whole other set of long discussions, and we could.

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Get hundreds more emails about other things and other issues related to this. The second.

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My second question is um so in the short term, if this is going to be, in effect, maybe until march.

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4Th does city council have any power to ask or or restrict uh the administration from enforcing it.

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uh In downtown uh is, is there we don't have? I know we don't have any authority over uh the executive.

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Branch, but but can we can we pass something that would that would uh prohibit enforcement of it.

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uh Frankly, um with that ordinance on the books uh technically, no, you certainly can.

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Ask the administration, uh you certainly can see if you can seek some sort of agreement.

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From the administration, but with regard to what you first said, if it's the consensus of counsel.

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To rather rescind it but to amend, taking into account what the consensus of counsel is, if that's.

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Clear as part of the motion, if that's acceptable to the maker of the motion in the second.

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Then that could be included as an other option for the administration for the legal department to see.

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How to address this, mr chair, I'm saying this to try to be helpful and supportive, but it would.

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I would suggest it that we limit your motion to that section that pertains to.

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Of the ordinance that pertains to downtown and and maybe even specifically sunday.

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But but I I would, I would be open if you made a second motion to ask the administration.

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Not not to we'll say in a nice way, but not to punish people on sunday mornings, no.

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Dingfield are saying no, the problem is that it whatever we do today or whatever we do on.

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February 4th, if it takes all the way until march, 4th they're going to be a bunch of 35.

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Tickets and we're going to get thousands of emails, and so is there anything that we can do.

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I'm sure the administration's watching- maybe we don't have to make a motion.

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uh But we need a temporary, we need a short-term solution and then we need a longer-term.

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Solution? Yes, that's that's! That's the motion, mr chairman. This is gina grimes, the city attorney. Yes,.

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um Both um mr carlson, mr shelby, were correct that we can um draft an ordinance amending a portion.

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Of the ordinance that was previously changed, it does not have to um apply city-wide as far as.

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As far as the changes that you discussed, so we can amend it so that it applies only in downtown on.

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Certain days we can bring it back on february 4th as far as the enforcement issue.

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Mr shelby is correct: you don't have the authority to direct whether or not to enforce.

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Ordinances that are valuably adopted laws, but I I will be happy to discuss with.

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With mr biden, the administration, your request, great mr chair and again, if I may, there are other.

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Things that these organizations in the area that I suggested twigs to the north lord to the west.

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Pierce to the east kennedy to the south that do other things, non-profit things.

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On other days, besides sunday, so I understand that the parishioners are asking that they can go.

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To these various places, but there are other things that happen: that are non-profit organizations.

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That I feel need to be discussed also different days of the week. That's fine! All right, councilman.

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Goodes, did you have your hand? I know vieira has his hand up. I was just saying about the amendment.

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But uh mrs grimes, that did address it so all right, councilman! uh Thank you, mr chair yeah and.

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And again, in you know, I'm going to vote to. I want to vote to move this thing forward in one way or.

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Another, but we got to do it in a wise way. I think that you know the the extremely friendly amendment.

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uh That councilman carlson talked about to sort of have it uh narrowly tailored, not only promotes.

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You know not discarding everything, but also it promotes frankly use of downtown um in the idea.

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That we we want people to to use downtown. This happens to be one of the things that people use.

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Downtown for in this particular day, nobody else is downtown on sunday morning, except for parishioners.

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And workaholic lawyers, um so you know this is something that I think is is uh narrowly tailored.

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Gets to the consensus of what all of council wants again, I I want to move this forward, regardless of.

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How it reasonably comes, but I think that's a wise way to go. It's not even a compromise. I think it's.

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Clearly getting to what we all want to do quite frankly, thank you great, if I can, mr chairman.

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Martin shelby again um just so that the clerk is clear and the record is clear and the intention.

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Of counsel is clear and legal understands. What's expected, um this seems to be an amendment or a.

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Friendly amendment, I suspect, unless it's a formal motion, but right now uh is it the chairs.

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Excuse me, mr maniscalco's intent to accept the discussion as yes, sir, in terms of the options.

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Yes, question for the clerk: are you clear on what the motion is with regard to the scope of it.

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No, I was going to ask for chair to please clarify the motion. Thank you. So if we could have staff.

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Come back february 4th to look at amending, or even we don't have to repeal the ordinance. I.

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Understand that we can, we can do an amendment on it and because we're looking at a terror.

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Narrowly tailored tailored area, which is in parts of downtown.

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And we've had some discussion on ordinance 2020-122, so that comes back under staff reports.

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On february 4th, by the way- and I believe ms grimes indicated that they were able to.

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Do that and I've confirmed with the deputy clerk that, if council does make this motion.

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Today it will appear on the agenda very good and that's that's the motion. Second.

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Okay, we have a motion, that's been made by councilman seconded.

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um Fantastic, mr chairman, uh the only question I would have is if you've got any staff reports.

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Is that adequate in terms of notice of the community, as opposed to? Usually we put it on.

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You know the first reading section as opposed to staff reports, because if it's our intent to vote.

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Vote out at the first reading, I think it should be mister, a good point councilman. My suggestion.

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Would be to place it under staff reports but mark it and as set for first reading, consideration.

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So that council, at least on appears on the agenda as such, you can move forward without any.

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Of the delay, thank you. Mister.

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Mr carlson, um mr beatty, also along those lines, um we talk a lot about communication.

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And um as we as we said, the the emails and everything are going to keep flowing in and.

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They're angry at the mayor, they're mad at us they're mad at you. um It would help if, um if.

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The public works communication apparatus. Could, I know you don't agree exactly with the changes, but.

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It would be great if you all could reach out to the those those groups that are that are.

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Organizing everybody to email us and just give them an update um and and and maybe let them.

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Know the options and and what is coming up so that whatever advocacy folks are going to do.

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It it'll be informed and targeted. Thank you sure thing. Thank you. Yes, we will reach out to you know.

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uh Some of the folks that we've heard from uh and others as well within the area uh I do want to.

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uh Kind of re-state that we may not need to uh reveal the current policy or.

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uh You know make any substantial changes we may have uh within uh the director's uh authority to.

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Make certain changes so we'll take a look at it and we'll uh we'll certainly be in touch.

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Councilman digfelder goodness I've got a problem with that, because directors come and go staffs.

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Administrations come and go, we need to change the ordinance and that's that's what the motion says.

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Yes, sir, and it's not resenting the ordinance, it's it's not ending amending. If we don't have.

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To rescind it we can tweak it and change it, you know, but it's not a question of policy, and so I.

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Had a question of tweaking how we do this, it's a question of change in the ordinance. If I, if I.

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Can be heard, yes, the chairman, but I think what mr b day raised might be what was addressed earlier.

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That, if presently under this ordinance, the council, ha the the director has that discretion today.

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That might expedite implementation, if that's the agreement of the administration.

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To work with city council, it might just hasten things in terms of relief that you're seeking.

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In the meantime, while you go forward with this process,.

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Do you follow me, that's not the intended motion. No, it's not the intent, but I'm just.

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Bringing it to council's attention that that that's an option that's available presently as.

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We speak. Is that correct, mr b? Am I mistaking it? Yes, sir? That's I understand it. We got it.

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Any further discussion, no thank you. There is a motion been made by councilman maniscalco.

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Seconded by councilman carlson, shall we do a roll call vote on this? Mr shelby.

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The answer is in this environment. Yes, thank you very much. Roll call vote. Please.

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Miranda wait: wait: councilman dean, felder, yes, sir.

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I thought carlson did.

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Then I will change it he's welcome. We have a motion made by councilman amanda scalco.

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Seconded by councilman dingfeld, a role call vote. Please miranda, ding felder.

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Vieira, yes, seatro, yes, goods, yes, carlson, yes, meniscalco yeah, motion care unanimously,.

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With councilmember miranda being absent, you have the gavel back, mr chair. Thank you, sir.

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Having said that, before, we move forward, it's amazing how many emails we've gotten.

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With this issue, but not a single email said what about the homeless in downtown tampa? What about.

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People that are homeless that are digging through trash looking for something to eat, people that are.

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Outside these churches, on the sidewalks that I see all the time- and I know people say or might.

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Think it's a government thing, but it's everybody's responsibility and I hope that we can look at that.

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That issue as well just as a community, that's my sarcastic comment. That's reality.

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huh It's reality, but it's true I go. I wish people, you know there was enough war about.

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That but having said that, we're going to move forward to uh the five six seven and eight items.

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I would like to get out of here by 12 30.. I know the discussion ran longer than expected here.

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So we can get out of here by lunch because we have to come back at five o'clock.

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Item number uh seven will come first uh and then we'll go yeah. Yes, sir. Thank you, sir. Just.

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For purposes of scheduling, because I I had a lunch that that's very, very flexible but just.

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uh So I can tell my my individual: um what time do you think we're going to break for lunch just.

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So that I don't think we're going to break for lunch, I want to complete the agenda by 12 30.

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Okay, I'll tell them than one all right. Thank you. Thank you very much. Go ahead. Audit department.

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um Good morning, this is christine glover director of the city's internal audit department,.

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um I'm here to conduct a workshop on providing an overview of the internal audit department and.

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What we do, I have a powerpoint. um I see that that's up, but also I provided binders to city.

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Council, I hope you all have those binders, because I will be referring to them as part of the work.

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Okay, can I have the next slide um the oh, this is the agenda, we're gonna use for this workshop.

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um We're gonna uh overview of the internal art department, the organization and the standards that.

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We follow how we determine the auto development plan, how we determine what exactly we are going.

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To audit our process for conducting an audit the audit reporting process we'll look at some other.

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Responsibilities that we have, and also um some of the department performance um next slide, please.

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So what I wanted you to see here, um we are organized so that the director of the department.

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We report directly to the mayor and that's for our independence. We do have a special relationship.

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um With the chief of staff, so you see a dotted line there.

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But we, I have five partners that report to me so there's six of us in the apartment.

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In the department and what I want you is between the six of us, we have 10 certifications in the.

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Field of internal auditing and um fraud, so we have a professional staff. um In addition,.

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To that we comply with the government vetting standards and I have a noted on the block there.

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And what that um standards does is it um provides for ethics, independence, professional judgment.

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And quality control and assurance um we do get audited. The department gets an external audit.

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Every three years from external audit team and association of local government auditors put.

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Together for that, um and if we have, this department has been to three um seven.

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Peer reviews of what it's called over the last seven um 20 20 plus years, if you do it every.

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Three years we passed seven and actually would do for um a peer review in 2020, but that was.

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Postponed because of the pandemic, so this was a professional art department and each one of those.

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Peer reviews went through, we were, it was determined that we were in compliance with the.

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Government arctic standards and that's important for us to know because really the city of tampa.

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Has a world-class internal audit department, we have other jurisdictions locally and naturally.

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To act pockets, what we do locally, I could, in the tampa bay area, know that peace and pasco county.

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Have certain that some of the processes that we um use in our last peer review in 17, we had a auditor.

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From um the city of gainesville and from the city of chattanooga tennessee and both of those.

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uh Auditors noticed some things that we were excelling in and copied and took.

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It back to their departments so that um they implement them as well. Okay, see the next slide.

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Thank you very much, okay, so I'm in your binder, you can look under tab too.

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You have a list, that's the audit universe that I refer to on the slide. There's over 160 items.

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In that arctic universe and what that universe is, is uh the list of all the artists that we can do.

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In the city, with the artist side staff that we have, it would take us nine years to audit every.

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Item in the office universe, so of course we don't approach it that way, we take a risk-based.

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Approach um and so that we can hit those areas that are maybe higher risk than than others.

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Maybe, on a more frequent basis, so um what that risk-based approach is is you'll see in the.

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A process flow: that's there on the slide as well. So this is how we decide what we're.

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Going to audit is not arbitrary. It's also in your bonus on the tab on three.

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The way this process works is usually starting in may I hold individual meet with key management.

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Personnel across the city, that's over 30 meetings, directors and above meeting with them. I take their.

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Portion of the audit universe and actually in the one, that's in your binder, has sort.

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I have reported by each one of the various groups. um I take their portion of the arctic universe.

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um With me, and we review that and make any updates if necessary, um we talk about any.

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Concerns that they have- and this also gives them opportunity to request any artists- and we forget.

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Pretty frequently, um I remember a few years back, um I went out and did the risk assessment meetings.

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And I came back with um 26 artists that management had requests and um in actuality, speaking of the.

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Art universe, the reason we can do it takes us nine years, but we can only do between 15.

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And 20 audits a year given the heart of staff, the size of the audit staff that we have after.

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I don't have all those meetings and documents like I said that typically starts in may. The next thing.

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I do is, I sit down with my staff and we have a tool that we use, so we do in a risk assessment.

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And so it has factors now. This goes back that we consider and there's seven factors there. The.

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Complexity of the activity, the physical impact, um the look at the last art results, laws, rules.

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And regulations governing that particular item on the arctic universe, whether there's been an.

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Organization, significant organizational change, the public welfare and how long it's been since.

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The last audit, we take every item on that arctic universe and we rate it um the way it is structure.

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The higher the final score comes out, the greater risk is for the city and, as I mentioned in the.

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Arctic universe, that you have it's sorted by the group, but we can also sort that by score and that.

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Way it gives us those items that are highest risk at the top, based on our risk assessment.

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From that, and we're usually usually doing that around the july time frame from that.

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I developed an audit plan for the upcoming fiscal year, which of course starts one october.

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And it's based on the quest for management, the results of the risk assessment and also.

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Ensuring we have coverage across the city and one good example of that would be the.

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First couple of years I was here at the city, we didn't do any audits at the in parks and rec or.

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At the um convention center, so we have to get around have that coverage across the city.

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Once that plan is developed based on the resources we have, um you know my artists, we can do we just.

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I developed that audit plan put it together, sent it to the mayor typically in august, for review.

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And approval um I've been with the city seven and a half years. I've been through that process.

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Eight times every year, except me except one, the mayor had mayor, has approved the audit plan that.

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um Was presented one year mayor added something to um but never took anything away, and so once the.

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um Agenda is approved by the mayor that becomes our mode of operation for the upcoming year.

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And we publish that it's focused on the city website as well as we send. I sent it back out.

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To the key management personnel, and that gives them an opportunity to let us know if certain.

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Time of the year is too busy for them or really hectic or um would be better. We did the audit.

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In a different time of year and one example, um I was using that we ordered the budget.

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We wouldn't budge audit them during the key budget development cycle. So when we did our budget.

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Department, we audited them in the fall or a lot of times. Tpd does a lot of recertification type.

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Activity there's a lot of outside um demanding physical activity. They'll do that in the february.

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In february, because maybe it's not as hot, so maybe we not might not pro uh um do an audit on.

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Tpd during that time period it just allows us to manage the resources that we have. So that's the.

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Process that we go about developing the um audit plan, decide what we're going to audit and actually.

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Also in tab three and your binders, you can see the um approved auto plan for fiscal year, 2021.

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And that's what we are working on right now. Yes, sir. I hate to interrupt her, but I need to say this.

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Mr shelly brought something to my attention he's correct. The ebo workshop was the first.

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Workshop put on for january- and we knew it would have some needed some time. The workshop agenda got.

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Changed uh I don't. I don't understand how that happened, because all the workshop dealing with.

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Ebo and arlington should have been first on the agenda. Everything else has just come forth and.

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Got on the agenda and went first uh right now it's going to go on 12., there's no way! Mrs glover is.

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Going to be able to finish her presentation of the audit principle, how it works and also talk about.

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The actual ebo audit and also miss grimes, to deal with the actual ordinance of the audit.

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And then get to the ebo portion, which everyone is waiting for and it didn't happen and it have.

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Been waiting for for months now to see what this consultant has done, what he has not done.

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And where we need to go forward so for me I I would ask that you know we look at.

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Looking at that time, spot to break for lunch now at 12 and come back at one, because I think.

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There are a lot of questions you had people speakers here this morning and to say.

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Try to rush us out at 12 30. I think it's unfair to the community and the constituents and obviously.

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I think for some of the members who really want to hear what's going on, so I would ask that we.

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Break for lunch at 12 and we come back at one if you like, sir, uh if you want to know, however, but I.

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Think that we have to make sure we get everything in this is very important. Is a critical issue of.

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This community and and of this body, because even though the administration may put forth things.

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If it's good, it's great for the administration, we don't get credit at the end of the day. If.

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It's bad, no matter what we get hanged forward and nailed in the coffin board. So I want to make sure.

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That we don't get nailed on the cover that we're doing everything we can to make sure the staff the.

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Consultant understands what we're looking for versus what they may have given in an upcoming.

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Presentation so I'll ask you breakfast 12, sir, all right I'll I'll give you that if we can come back.

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At 1 15., that's fine! All right, that's lunch, but I don't want to hear any complaints that we're here.

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Too late tonight, well, it is what it is. This is important, hey, so all right, we'll break for lunch.

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At 12 o'clock then, and we'll come back at 1 15.. Is there any objection to that councilman veer? I know.

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You had an idea, I have no objection, I mean I'm, I'm fine staying until forever. The only thing what I.

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Would say uh regarding tonight, and this evening is, is that you know. Last week we dealt with.

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Hearings and quasi-judicial matters until 1 40 at night. I'm of the opinion that that that you know.

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We if we've had hearings before that go to that late and that's fine, but we just can't.

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Make the best decisions after 12 12 31, you get tired. I I know without getting into specifics.

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You know there were some hearings and I'm not saying I was you know too too darn tired.

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But a reasonable person could have been so I would just say that when it comes to tonight.

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Let's, try to you know, deal with all the issues but run through because we have a lot of items.

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On the agenda this evening, try to run through them. uh You know when cutting out as much fat.

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As we can, because if we're here at 12, 30 and 1 and 1 30 dealing with quasi judicials that that.

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That's a disservice to the public um because we're we're not going to be at our best just my opinion.

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Okay, thank you very much and I agree with that: councilman carlson yeah. If staff could please.

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Help us uh we tried to limit the number of um of uh cases that we have, and I know.

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Councilman goods in particular, has been great about protecting that, but it's it's! It's not.

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Just that it's unfair to us, um it's unfair to the public. You know members of the public, every.

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Week complain to us because they have to stay till midnight or one or two, and I think probably.

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We should just have fewer cases on night meetings. Thank you yes, sir mr chair, if I may please, yes, sir.

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We can tell, by the amount of citizens that come to speak on which ones are going to be.

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More controversial, it might benefit not only the citizens, but us that, judging by the amount of.

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People that are here to speak for or against will be the more controversial and have those first.

R

So that the citizens can leave and that we can hear those first.

R

Maybe, while our minds are clear as to what councilman vieira said.

R

But we can always gauge on which ones are going to be controversial by the amount of.

R

People that are to speak for or against. Thank you, mr chair. Okay, all right, uh miss glover go ahead.

I

Okay, all right, so the next item is, um if I have the slide, please.

I

Okay, the one next after that, one, that's the.

I

All right, so the next thing I want to do is go over a little bit about how we go about.

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Conducting an audit- and this is going to lead into the reporting process so as in kind of understand.

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um um This as well, once an audit from the audit agenda is assigned to order. We conduct interest.

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Conference with management and then we conduct the planning phase, do the planning phase of that audit.

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We re policies and procedures. We interview personnel and conduct, walk throughs in order.

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To gain an understanding of the key processes and we document those processing process flows similar.

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To what you're, seeing here in the um on powerpoint um presentation, but typically they're a lot more.

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Complex um um upon uh we have management, review those process flows and make sure it.

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Adequately represents um the work, a um their processes done. We can do an analysis of the.

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Internal control system to ensure the internal control um and we also conduct a risk analysis.

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To see where what could go wrong in these processes, what controls are in place.

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And what's the remaining risk and whether that risk is high meeting or below and then in the.

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Field work, phase of the audit. What we do is we're gonna test the controls that are in place.

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To make sure they're working as designed and what we do is we test the those high risk controls.

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If it's medium risk, we should test them, but we, if their items are low risk. We typically.

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Will not do any testing in that part unless there's some a significant function for the city.

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um After we finish the field, work phase and the testing we go into the reporting um and.

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Conduct the exit conference is necessary, okay and then we distribute the port and I don't want to.

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Go into too much information right there, because that's going to be actually on the uh next slide.

F

Do you want to stop there? We can start back up after lunch, or will this uh throw everything off.

I

No that'd be fine. We can pick up with the reporting process. I think this is a part.

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Of the presence of the workshop that council is interested in, and so we need to take our.

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Time and go through it: okay, good! So we're gonna break for lunch. We're gonna pick up.

F

Here and we'll be uh back at 1 15., we are in recess.