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B
Here,
madam
clerk,
for
the
record,
I
did
receive
something
mr
dean
for
the
office.
He
will
not
be
joining
us
from
the
afternoon
session.
B
F
Okay,
perfect.
Thank
you.
My
name
is
valerie
horton.
I
am
the
risk
manager
for
the
city
of
tampa
and
around
the
table.
You
have
purchasing.
You
have
mr
gary
hart
the
staff
from
cad
and
as
well
as.
C
F
Mr
greg
spearman
will
be
the
person
going
through
the
powerpoint
and
may
we
share
our
screen.
Let
me
show
you
screen.
G
So
good
afternoon,
council,
this
is
our
greg
spearman,
councilman,
pear
goods
and
members
of
council
we'd
like
to
share
with
you
a
brief
powerpoint
this
afternoon,
based
upon
item
number
86.
So
let's
go
to
the
next
screen.
Please
all
right.
So
this
is
our
agenda
council.
We
want
to
talk
to
you
about
what
is
builders
risk
insurance
sydney
requirements
for
contractor
bill
was
risk
insurance.
G
Then
we
have
a
summary
statement,
we'd
like
to
share
with
you,
and
we
also
would
like
to
entertain
any
questions
that
you
might
have
next
time.
So
what
does
builders
read?
Builder
stress
insurance,
also
known
as
contract,
is
all
risk.
Insurance
is
a
special
type
of
property
insurance
which
indemnifies
against
damage
to
buildings,
while
they
are
just
expressed.
Insurance
is
coverage
that
protects
a
person's
own
organizations
and
showcasing
materials,
fixtures
and
or
equipment
to
use
in
the
construction
or
renovation
of
a
building
or
structure.
H
Good
afternoon
ron
vilo
with
the
city
of
tampa
calling
concerning
your
roof,
the
path
that
we
get.
B
E
G
Okay
next
slide,
please
so
now
we
want
to
talk
about
what
the
city's
requirements
are
for
contractors,
building
fish
insurance
builders,
risk
insurance
is
required
in
all
construction
bids
and
is
the
responsibility
of
the
contract
to
provide
and
to
protect
the
city
against
risk
of
loss.
The
construction
contractor
is
100
percent
responsible
for
the
risk
of
loss
or
damage
to
equipment,
materials
that
property
destruction
and
supplies
all
phases
of
the
construction
process
next
slide.
G
So
what
is
an
in-house
builder's
risk
insurance
program?
An
in-house
building
stress
insurance
program
would
require
the
city
to
assume
the
risk,
100
percent
of
the
responsibilities
that
will
normally
be
required
by
the
construction
country
next
slide.
So
what
we'd
like
to
do
now,
council
is
to
talk
to
you
about
some
pros
and
some
cons
of
implementing
an
in-house
builder's
risk
program.
So,
as
far
as
the
pros
are
concerned,
there
may
be
cost
savings,
but
without
the
data
from
past
contracts,
it
cannot
be
measured
at
this
time.
G
Secondly,
construction
contractors
may
offer
some
content.
They
offer
some
content
ideas,
saving
some
some
competitive
bids
and
not
having
to
include
builders
risk
in
their
business
city
and
lastly,
an
in-house
building
switch
insurance
program
may
create
better
opportunities
for
smaller
firms
to
offer
builders
risk
mass
insurance
policy
for
the
city.
So
those
are
some
of
the
potential
pros.
Now
we
want
to
focus
on
what
some
of
the
cons
are.
G
The
city
assumes
100
percent
of
the
risk
of
loss
of
equipment,
materials
and
supplies
of
the
construction
project
and
claims
process.
The
city
would
have
to
increase
the
number
of
ftes
and
risk
management
and
contract
administration
to
run
an
in-house
program.
Any
potential
cost
savings
will
be
offset
by
having
to
add
resources
to
manage
and
in-house
programs.
G
G
So
this
next
slide
basically
addresses
some
of
the
research
initiatives
that
the
staff
undertook
to
investigate
in
this
house
build
a
swiss
insurance
program,
so
staff
review
the
question
and
spoke
with
entities
around
florida
and
industry
professionals.
Risk
management
could
not
find
any
house
any
in-house
builders.
This
insurance
program
there
be
an
inquiry
within
this
professional
association.
G
G
Broward
county's
program
was
based
on
five
years
worth
of
data
which
compared
the
cost
of
contractor-provided
businesses
insurance
for
the
cost
of
the
school
board's
master
insurance
policy
data
which
the
city
of
tampa
does
not
have
palm
beach
county,
did
have
an
insurance
risk
program,
but
it
was
allowed
to
sunset
that
we
also
contacted
civic
oneself.
We
also
contacted
the
tamper
aviation
authority.
We
did
validate
that
they
do
not
have
an
insurance
bill.
Assist
insurance
program.
G
Usf
has
a
limited
in-house
builders
risk
insurance
program,
but
it's
limited
to
less
projects
less
than
four
million
dollars,
and
it
also
is
limited
to
105
projects
per
year.
Let's
continue
on
the
next
slide.
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G
Let's
talk
about
the
current
state
of
building
swiss
or
city
construction
projects.
There
are
25
current
construction
projects
in
contract
administration
that
require
builders
risk
insurance.
Each
builder's
rich
program
is
managed
by
the
general
contractor,
not
the
city.
The
city
of
tampa
currently
has
limited
data
for
the
impact
of
changing
the
current
process.
G
As
previously
mentioned,
one
florida
entity,
broward
county
school
system,
collected
five
years
worth
of
data
before
making
a
decision
to
move
on
to
an
in-house
build
resource
program
database.
The
city
of
chapel
does
not
have.
The
insurance
broker
is
currently
attached
to
the
city's
insurance
program,
our
mcgriff
insurance
and
a
plus
accuracy
insurance
agency,
and
this
is
an
independent
city.
Certified
black
business
owner
next
level,
let's
talk
about
the
impacts
of
implementing
a
building
risk
insurance
policy.
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In-House
first
of
all,
the
city
of
temple
would
be
seeking
new
coverage,
which
would
require
the
collection
of
lost
data
for
the
three
prior
years
of
project
losses,
cost
tank
and
other
pertinent
information
for
underwriters
to
make
determinations
of
risk
and
cost
of
coverage.
Secondly,
the
city
has
17
different
policies
which
renew
once
per
year.
It
takes
about
six
months
each
year
to
manage
this
process
based
on
insurance
acquisition
requirements,
monthly
reporting
on
25,
ongoing
projects
or
more
in
the
claims
management
process.
G
G
So
on
this
last
slide,
we
have
a
summary
statement
for
you.
Implementing
an
in-house
business
program
shifts
significant
responsibility
from
the
contract
to
the
city.
This
is
risk
and
responsibility
from
the
contractor
to
the
city
without
any
historic
cost
data
on
construction
bids
for
building
stress
insurance,
cost
of
the
city.
It
is
difficult,
very
difficult
to
determine
if
a
master,
builder's
risk
insurance
policy
would
actually
save
the
city
money.
G
A
higher
number
of
claims
could
possibly
negatively
impact
the
city
and,
lastly,
the
city's
total
fte
counter
risk
management
and
contract
administration
would
be
increased.
So
with
that
council
we
have,
as
miss
valencia
rates
mentioned
at
our
opening.
We
have
legal.
We
have
contract
administration,
equal
business
opportunity.
Ask
any
questions.
You
imagine.
B
B
I've
heard
a
lot
about
what
we
can't
do,
I'm
looking
for
an
idea
on
a
smaller
scale,
because
there
are
people
are
out
there
asking
these
questions
and
constantly
calling
me
about
this,
and
when
I
hear
that
folks,
this
has
been
done.
I
know
we,
we
don't
want
to
bring
liability
to
the
city,
but
I
didn't
know
on
a
small
scale.
What
can
we
do,
because
I
believe
we
can
do
something
to
be
able
to
help
some
smaller
businesses
be
able
to
work
within
the.
B
Risk
management
councilman.
G
Our
counselor,
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
convey
is
that
we
simply
don't
have
the
data
at
this
point.
One
of
the
problems
that
I
mentioned
during
the
presentation
of
broward
county
school
system
before
they
actually
implemented
their
program.
They
had
collected
five
years
worth
of
data
and
they
were
able
to
compare
the
cost
of
builders,
risk
insurance
and
their
construction
base
to
what
it
would
cost
to
have
a
master
policy
and
where
we
are
now
that
we
simply
don't
have
the
data
to
make
that
comparison.
That's
what
we're
seeing.
B
I
Thank
you
chairman,
good
afternoon,
council,
john
bennett,
chief
of
staff.
I
want
to
thank
staff
for
assembling
and
giving
the
pro
and
con
risk
evaluation
to
a
master
builders
policy,
but
you
know
we're,
as
we've
talked
we're
a
city
with
imagination,
we're
a
city
that
tries
to
help
small
businesses
get
across
certain
barriers,
and
we've
talked
about
that
in
the
equal
business
opportunity
space.
I
So,
with
council's
permission
and
no
motion
necessary,
I'd
like
to
meet
with
this
team
and
possibly
some
or
maybe
develop
an
rfi
in
this
space
and
see
if
there
is
something
that
we
can
look
at,
especially
if
it's
hindering
small
businesses
from
performing
we've
talked
about
other
insurance
and
other
barriers
from
from
allowing
businesses
to
do
business
with
the
city.
And
that's
the
part
I'm
really
concerned
about.
If
this
becomes
a.
I
B
Chief,
thank
you
for
coming
on
and
I
think
that
is
the
problem.
Some
of
the
smaller
people
trying
to
get
in
and
get
some
work
and
be
sustainable.
We
also
look
at
the
big
people,
but
the
smaller
people
have
to
work
too.
So
I
I've
gladly
entertained
that
I
look
forward
to
come
back.
The
presentation
was
great,
but
I
was
looking
for
a
little.
What
we
can
do
glad
you
came
on,
hopefully
more
discussion.
We
can
kind
of
help.
Those
folks
have
been
calling
me
see
what
we
can
do
to
help
them
out.
I
And,
and
what
I
would
just
do
is
we'll
target
one
of
your
workshops:
councilman,
we'll
and
we'll
we'll
put
something
on
a
workshop
for
your
approval.
B
B
B
up
open
the
public
here
all
right,
mr
maniscalco
stay
with
miss
manoranda,
all
in
favor
all
right.
Any
opposed
mostly
granted
we're
open
item
80.
B
E
Council,
if
there
have
been
any
ex
parte
communications
relative
to
these
hearings,
that
you
do
disclose
them
prior
to
us
moving
forward
and
also
council,
I
would
remind
the
public
that
they
should
not
contact
the
council
members
relative
to
quasi-judicial
matters
and
during
the
during
the
hearings
and
counsel,
if
you
do
receive
anything
or
see
anything
that
you
notify
the
clerk
and
and
me
so,
we
can
actually
address
that
issue.
Okay,
thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you,
sir.
B
F
Kamaria
perez-mackel
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
mr
chair
previously,
I
handed
provided
city
council
members
for
this
item-
item
number
80,
which
is
vrb
21-123
for
the
property
located
at
1712
west
diana
street.
I
handed
city
council,
the
relevant
code,
sections
which
are
27-80.
F
27-11,
I
handed
out
a
formal
decision
that
was
made
in
reference
to
this
property
sample
motions
in
the
rules
of
procedure
we're
here
this
afternoon
to
based
upon
a
petition
for
review
that
was
filed
by
the
property
owner
carlos
hydernay.
F
Mr
hyunee
asks
is
asking
city
council
to
overturn
the
variance
review
board's
decision
to
deny
a
berries
request.
The
bears
review
board
heard
the
various
requests,
which
was
to
reduce
a
side
yard.
The
west
setback
from
seven
feet
to
1.4
feet
that
decision
by
the
vrb
to
deny
the
various
requests
was
heard.
On
october
12th
of
2021,
the
variance
review
board
decided
made
a
decision
that
the
applicant,
the
property
owner,
did
not
meet
the
hardship
criteria
as
established
in
code
section
27-80,
that
is
in
your
packet.
F
F
That
staff
letter
is
in
your
packet,
specifically,
the
property
owner
asked
staff
to
determine
whether
or
not
they
could
the
owner
could
create
three
conforming
lots
or
three
compliant
rs50
zoning
lots
for
his
property.
F
As
mr
cotton
will
explain,
he
approved
the
lot
split,
with
the
condition
that
the
property
owner
either
obtain
a
variance
regarding
the
existing
structure
that
is
on
lot
b
or
to
demolish
the
structure
that
is
on
lot
b.
F
As
I
previously
stated,
it's
the
applicant
and
the
properties
owners
burdens
a
hardship
as
I've
provided
in
your
package
code,
section
27-80
states
and
this
year.
These
are
the
elements
that
the
property
owner
has
to
prove
one,
that
the
alleged
hardships
or
practical
difficulties
are
unique
and
singular
with
respect
to
the
property
or
with
respect
to
a
structure
or
building
thereon
and
are
not
those
suffered
in
common
with
other
property
structures
or
buildings.
Similarly,
located
two,
the
hardship
or
practical
difficulty
does
not
result
from
the
actions
of
the
applicant.
F
F
F
Again,
it's
the
applicant's
burden
and
the
petitioner's
burden
to
prove
a
hardship
and
a
self-created
hardship
or
a
decision
from
the
staff
does
not
provide
a
hardship
for
this
application
and
with
that
for
the
review
hearing
city
council
conducts
a
de
novo
standard
of
review.
That
means
the
city
council
can
accept
new
evidence,
take
testimony
and
make
a
decision
to
determine
whether
or
not
the
applicant
makes
meets
the
hardship
criterion
code.
F
Section
27-80,
as
the
previously
stated,
jane
modu,
will
be
able
to
provide
the
historical
information
regarding
the
variants
that
was
requested
from
the
vrp
and
mr
cotton
will
be
able
to
explain
the
formal
decision.
Upon
conclusion
of
hearing
the
evidence.
City
council
can
affirm
the
decision
of
the
advanced
review
board
city
council
can
remand
this
matter
back
to
the
veterans
review
board,
with
direct
specific
instructions
to
consider.
F
C
J
Thank
you,
council,
so
the
applicant
applied
for
a
formal
decision.
The
formal
decision
process
was
created
in
around
2010
by
the
legal
department
to
process
lot
splits,
instead
of
having
all
creations
of
lots
go
before
city
council.
So
in
this
case
the
applicant
came
before
staff.
J
Proposing
three
lots.
Each
lot
would
meet
the
underlying
zoning
requirements
of
the
rs-60
district.
The
could
be
the
rs-50
district
minimum
five
size
of
50
feet
of
width,
5
000
square
feet.
The
issue
for
the
applicant
is
that
there's
an
existing.
I
share
my
screen.
I
don't
have
a
proposed.
I
just
want
to
show
the
survey
of
the
existing
property
and
jane
will
go
in
greater
detail
of
this.
J
Do
you
see
the
survey?
Yes,
sir?
Okay,
so
this
is
the
this
is
one
of
the
new
proposed
lots?
This
is
parcel
b.
You
can
see
the
existing
structure
on
it.
So
as
part
of
the
condition
of
approval
the
applicant
was
offered
the
you
know,
he
could
either
a
demolish
the
structure
and
rebuild
new
in
compliance
with
the
rs50
standards,
or
you
can
apply
for
a
variance
to
reduce
the
side
yard.
The
newly
created
side
yard
from
seven
feet
down
to
one
point
four
feet.
J
As
ms
pettis
mackel
indicated,
the
applicant
decided
to
go
before
the
variance
review
board.
So
what's
the
the
long
and
the
short
of
it
is
he
needs
he
he
requested
together
for
the
vrb
and
show
that
he
had
a
hardship
of
the
property
not
to
take
the
thunder
away
from
jane.
He
made
his
argument.
The
board
voted
against
his
request.
J
All
that
being
said,
this
is
an
ongoing
issue.
With
there
are
times
when
people
come
before
us,
they
want
to
split
their
lot.
Sometimes
they
have
a
foot.
Sometimes
they
have
four
feet.
Sometimes
they
have
six
feet.
They
do
need
to
to
become
a
conforming
lot.
They
need
to
take
care
of
the
encroachment,
whether
through
a
demolition,
a
variance
or
a
design
exception.
J
Just
as
so
council's
aware,
staff
is
going
to
be
coming
forward
with
the
text
amendment
to
27-11,
which
would
allow
at
council's
pleasure,
of
course,
to
allow
the
voting
administrator
to
recognize
existing
setbacks,
to
allow
for
lots
to
be
split,
but
without
having
to
require
the
person
to
get
another
process
either
a
variance
or
a
design
exception.
J
L
L
It's
okay,
the
petitioner
today
is
carlos,
nay
huyenai,
and
this
property
is
zoned
residential,
single
family
rs50
and
the
various
requests
was
to
reduce
the
side
yard
setback
on
the
west
side
from
seven
feet
to
1.4
feet
for
an
existing
single
family
residence,
and
the
code
requirement
was
from
section
1,
27
156,
which
provides
the
schedule
of
area
height
and
bulk
placement
for
the
zoning
category
for
the
rs50.
L
This
application
was
brought
before
the
review
board.
The
board
had
the
case
on
october
12
2021,
as
the
legal
counsel
has
already
stated,
and
after
the
testimony
the
request
was
denied
with
the
vote
of
five
to
zero.
So
it
was
a
unanimous
vote.
L
Council
already
addressed
this,
but
in
the
decision
the
vrb
board
was
governed
by
the
criteria
stated
in
section.
27-80
and
legal
has
already
got
to
gone
over
that
extensively.
L
With
west
diana
and
an
undeveloped
right-of-way
to
the
east
side,
that's
not
carroll
street,
and
that
is
the
property
in
question
and
in
in
this
highlighted
portion
we're
seeing
three
lots
before
they
were
split
now.
This
is
this
shows
those
three
lots,
as
they
have
been
split
parcel
a
parcel
b
and
parcel
c
eric
already
went
over
the
different
went
over
the
decision
for
the
formal
decision
and
how
that
was
done.
L
L
Is
the
front
view
from
the
street
showing
you,
the
existing
property
and
here
you're,
seeing
kind
of
like
the
line
that
straddles
the
existing
home
on
lot
on
parcel
b
and
the
newly
created
lot
on
parcel
a
still
picture
showing
this
so
technically,
the
property
line
will
kind
of
line
line
up
with
this
fence
where
it
is
currently
and
those
were
the
pictures
that
the
applicant
provided,
showing
the
existing
condition
of
the
site
staff
will
be
available
for
any
questions.
F
Excuse
me,
I'm
sorry,
I
I
couldn't
hear
the
question
I.
J
C
B
All
right,
so
you
can
begin
your
statement
any
time.
K
Yes,
sir,
like
we
have
seen
all
the
slides
and
the
drawing
and
the
pictures
there
usually
were,
four
lots
facing
colonel
street
carroll
street
is
a
non-improved
road.
So
I
cannot
build
the
properties
facing
that
way.
K
Well,
if
you
needed
me
to
show
you
any
more
pictures,
any
more
plans
that
I
can
do
that,
but
that's
what
pretty
much
I'm
asking
for
to
allow
me
to
continue
with
the
process
of
splitting
the
lot,
because
after
this
we
will
be
the
the
address
for
the
latch,
the
the.
What
is
it
called.
K
It
will
be
called
the
folio
number
to
be
assigned
depending
on
this.
I
already
have
all
the
documents
from
the
appraisal
office
and
just
everything
is
pending
to
this
form,
or
this
to
this
setback
from
seven
to
1.4.
N
Just
on
the
partial
I'm
just
trying
to
this
is
a
de
novo,
which
is
a
new
hearing.
K
How
well
the
the
property
was
there
already
like?
I
was
saying
the
the
lots
were
facing
carroll
street
facing
eastbound
and
westbound.
So
when
I
bought
the
property
was
four
lots
facing
carl
street.
Now
the
house
was
already
built
there
and
I
went
and
decided
to
split
the
four
lots
into
three,
because
I
cannot
build
the
houses
facing
carroll
street
because
the
road
is
not
improved
and
the
city
told
me
that
they
cannot
improve
or
they
cannot
put
asphalt
on
that
road.
K
So
I
had
to
be
reconfigure
the
lots,
so
that's
why
I
created
a
b
and
c
and
I'm
planning
on
building
the
property
on
parcel
a,
but
everything
is
spent
on
the
setback.
The
house.
K
N
K
Cannot
I
cannot
because
the
road
is
not
improved,
I
can
the
lots
will
be
facing
curl
street,
which
is
the
west
side
of
east
side
of
the
property.
I
cannot
build
the
houses
facing
carroll
street
because
that
road
is
not
improved,
and
so
that
way
I
had
to
from
four
lots.
I
had
to
come
down
to
three
in
order
to
build
one
house
because
of
the
other
on
personal
seat.
I
cannot
even
build
it.
That's
going
to
be
there
until
the
road
gets
improved.
K
Property,
that
is
on
parcel
b.
It
was
there
when
I
purchased
the
prop
the
property,
the
how
I
want
to
purchase
it
a
lot
and
personal,
see
it's
empty,
just
trees
and
and
nothing
else.
I
cannot
even
do
anything
with
it.
It's
going
to
be
a
blank
lot
for
a
while
until
carol
street
gets
improved.
K
No,
the
dwelling
that
is
it's
22
23
and
I
don't
even
I
don't
think
it
goes
to
24,
but
it
is
one
of
the
drawing
that
the
ladies
show
it
how
the
latch
configuration
from
previous
one-
I
don't
have
it
handy
or
maybe
I
do.
K
K
So,
like
I
said,
I
can't
do
anything
because
this
is
an
improved
road,
so
I
had
to
turn
around
and
split
the
lights
and
make
them
a
b
and
c.
All
of
them
are
over
5
000
square
foot
on
dimensions
and
even
the
sea
lot
is
bigger,
but
I
can't
do
nothing
there
because
it's
facing
carroll
street-
and
I
I'm
just
losing
a
lot,
because
I
can
do
anything
with
it.
I'm
trying
to
build
a
property
here
for
my
family
and
myself
facing
to
that
one.
F
All
right,
mr
chair,
just
as
mario
pettis
maple
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
just
as
a
a
reminder
we're
here,
because
the
applicant
is
requesting
a
petition
for
review
from
the
variance
review
board,
who
decided
that
the
applicant
did
not
meet
the
hardship
criteria.
F
The
board
specifically
determined
that
the
lot
split
was
a
process
that
the
applicant
or
the
property
owner
decided
to
go
through.
He
decided
to
split
the
lots
three
ways
in
order
to
develop
on
parcel
a
certainly,
as
mr
cotton
explained,
he
could
have
processed
a
smaller,
a
smaller
lot
split
for
maybe
two
lots
to
avoid
the
need
for
a
variance,
but
just
because
staff
approved
a
lot
split
does
not
provide
the
basis
for
a
hardship.
He.
F
M
B
All
right,
the
applicant
was
finished,
so
anybody
on
the
second
floor,
speaking
beside
him.
N
B
J
E
E
J
So
as
as
the
petitioner
was
talking
about
this
is
carol,
this
is
an
unimproved
right-of-way.
This
is
parcel
c,
so
parcel
c
cannot
be
developed
until
either
the
magician
who
puts
in
the
road
or
the
city
puts
in
the
road.
This
is
parcel
b,
where
the
existing
encroachment
is.
This
is
parcel
a
parcel.
A
just
is
at
50
feet,
so
there's
no
way
to
create
a
smaller
lot.
J
Unless
the
applicant
went
through
the
plan,
development
process
came
before
city
council
and
requested
a
reduction
and
the
front
edge
should
have
a
smaller
lot
and
a
lot,
though
it's
45
by
the
depth
of
the
property
and
come
before
council.
That
way.
If,
if
the
with
the
existing
structure
on
here,
there
is
the
only
would
have
been
a
lost
split
for
this
property
and
for
the
property,
that's
called
parcel
c
that
doesn't
currently
have
any
access
to
it.
M
B
E
F
F
And
just
just
before
that,
just
before
that,
I'm
sorry,
mr
chair
kumari,
pedestal
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
I
just
again
wanted
to
reiterate
what
mr
cotton
you
know
further
go
into.
What
mr
cotton
was
stating
is
that
this
lot
split
is
a
process
that
the
applicant
chose
to
to
go
through
again.
F
It's
the
applicant's
burden
is
to
describe
the
hardship,
that's
unique
and
singular
to
that
property
that
he's
asking
the
variants
for
it's
not
about
something
that
was
approved
by
staff,
but
it's
about
what
establishing,
for
the
record
what
is
unique
and
singular
to
that
property
on
partial
d
in
order
to
ask
for
the
variance
the
lock
split
is
the
process
that
the
applicant
chose
to
go
through
and
as
such,
it's
his
burden
to
show
what
is
unique
and
singular
with
that
property
and
creating
a
lot
split
does
not
give.
F
K
Okay,
yes,
sir,
I'm
gonna
show
my
screen:
okay,.
K
On
my
screen,
I
have
the
statement
of
hardship
and
it
stated
that
one
the
former
sister
was
running
creating,
like
mr
cotton
said,
provided
that
I
get
the
seven
feet
to
one
four.
The
memory
says
I
have
my
parents
living
on
the
property.
I
have
changed
the
roof
on
that
property.
I
have
installed
the
air
conditioning
system
completely
on
that
property.
K
My
parents
are
living
there,
like,
I
said
in
the
split
in
the
lights
and
two
in
two
ways.
There
was
no
reason
to
do
it
because
they're
both
going
to
be
facing
carroll
street
or
even
diana,
should
actually
got
to
demolish
the
property.
So
why
would
I
split
it
in
two
when
there
was
no
benefit?
But
if
I
split
it
on
three,
I
can
still
build
a
property
on
the
left
side
on
parcel
a
and
wait.
Hopefully
one
day
carol
street
gets
improved
and
I
can
build
the
property
on
partial
c
I
have
all
like.
K
I
said,
all
the
appraisal
everything
is
pending
on
this
1.4
reduction,
so
I
can
get
the
folio
numbers
and
all
the
process
all
the
future
documents
for
it.
C
M
Mr
sure,
if
I
may
absolutely
sir,
and
reviewing
this
case
of
vrb.
M
21-123,
I
moved
to
affirm
the
vrb's
decision
to
deny
the
variance
request:
the
applicant,
the
property
at
1712
west
diana
street,
because
the
petition
does
not
meet
any
of
the
hardship
criteria.
M
As
the
I
feel
that
the
alleged
hardship
was
self-imposed
and
it.
E
And
mr
chairman,
mr
citro,
just
for
the
purposes
of
the
record
and
you're,
referring
to
section
27-80
of
the
code.
F
F
F
The
arc
of
the
applicant
or
the
agent
asked
the
architectural
review
commission
to
request
a
certificate
of
appropriate
appropriation
for
the
demolition
of
an
accessory
structure.
The
application
was
heard
from
the
arc
on
november,
2nd
of
2021.
F
It's
the
burden
on
city
count,
it's
city
council's
role
to
take
a
de
novo
hearing
regarding
this
matter,
which
means
city
council
can
accept
public
testimony
can
accept
evidence
and
determine
whether
or
not
the
petitioner
meets
the
standards
for
the
economic
hardship
criteria,
as
established
in
code
section
27-116
before
you
as
mr
vila
from
staff,
who
can
explain
the
process
and
the
application
that
was
presented
to
the
arc
and,
at
the
end,
at
the
conclusion
of
the
presentation
of
the
evidence,
city
council
can
affirm
the
decision
of
the
arc
and
deny
the
request
for
the
certificate
of
appropriation
for
the
ship
for
the
demolition
of
the
accessory
structure.
F
City
council
can
remand
this
matter
back
to
the
architectural
review
commission
in
order
with
specific
instructions
or,
finally,
the
city
council
can
overturn
the
decision
of
the
arc
and
therefore
grant
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
demolish
the
accessory
structure
and
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
mr
vila
from
staff.
Thank
you.
H
Good
afternoon
council
just
to
reiterate
on
camaria's
position,
this
came
in
to
our
department
on
september
30th
2021..
H
B
H
We
can
see
it
okay,
thank
you.
So,
on
top
we
have
the
sanborn
map
that
illustrates
the
fabric
in
1929
the
structure
is
818
edison,
which
is
here.
This
is
the
primary
structure
in
1929,
showing
the
two-story
detached
accessory
structure.
That's
right
off
of
the
alley,
so
this
is
the
contributing
structure
that
we're
talking
about.
H
This
is
a
current
aerial
of
the
subject.
Site
property
in
question
is
highlighted
in
the
green
parcel
does
face
edison.
There
is
an
alley
that
runs
north
to
south,
to
the
back
and
for
proximity
purposes.
You
see,
bayshore
boulevard
to
the
south
have
a
couple
of
photos
of
the
primary
structure,
so
you
get
an
understanding
of
the
environment.
That's
there.
H
Going
to
the
north
elevation
and
moving
around
to
the
rear
of
the
primary
facade,
budding
structures
once
again,
so
you
get
a
understanding
of
the
environment.
H
H
This
is
looking
down
the
alley.
The
alley
is
heavily
driven
and
a
lot
of
the
structures
use
the
alley
to
come
into
their
accessory
structures.
H
So
that
concludes
the
photo
presentation,
along
with
the
presentation
chapter
27
116,
where
the
board
puts
most
of
their
review
processes
into
place,
there's
an
economic
hardship
portion
to
that
and
a
burden
of
proof
all
of
the
chapter.
27
116
questions
were
answered
completely
and
fully
that's
why
the
presentation
went
forward,
but
after
the
board
evaluated
what
was
put
into
the
record
on.
H
Today
there
is
questions
to
the
economic
hardship,
there's
there's
two
different
columns,
there's
a
column
that
states
the
the
cost
to
rehabilitate
and
then
there's
a
cost
for
new
construction,
and
that's
where
the
board
put
most
of
their
energy
into
that
performer.
That
was
provided
at
the
end.
There
was
a
25
000
discrepancy
on
a
structure:
that's
almost
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
rehabilitate
and
or
to
build
new.
So
the
board
felt
that
their
charge
is
to
keep
the
historic
fabric
in
place.
The
25
000
discrepancy
from
building
you.
H
Instead
of
keeping
the
structure,
did
not
warrant
the
the
ability
to
grant
a
positive
certificate
of
appropriateness
and
with
that
I'll
be
here
to
answer
any
questions.
Any
questions
for
the
gentleman.
H
In
the
staff's
opinion
that
went
out
to
the
site
and
through
the
board,
review
with
multiple
photos
that
were
provided
and
that
the
contractor
that
we
have
on
the
board
is
that
the
structure
could
be
renovated.
M
H
The
report
comments
that
the
structural
stability-
they
have
an
engineer,
that's
compromised
and
they
feel
that
it
should
be
reconstructed
or
removed.
H
They
have.
They
have
two
different
paths
that
were
submitted
in
the
economic
hardship
portion
of
the
of
the
packet
addressing
the
questions
in
chapter
27,
116
and
along
those
lines.
There's
certain
areas
that
have
to
be
reconstructed
to
meet
city
of
tampa
code
or
remove
the
structure
removed,
which
is
the
other
avenue
that
they
took
that
was
denied
in
front
of
the
arc.
M
H
F
F
Camario
pedestal
from
the
city
attorney's
office
just
to
clarify
councilman.
This
is
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
a
demolition
and
the
applicant
presented
evidence
or
information
for
the
architectural
review.
Regarding
a
demolition
request.
As
I
previously
stated,
code
section
27-116
provides
the
burden
of
proof
and
information
regarding
the
economic
hardship.
F
Based
upon
the
information
that
was
presented
to
the
board,
the
board
denied
the
request
to
demolish
the
accessory
structure
based
upon
the
applicant,
not
meeting
the
economic
hardship
criteria
for
the
demolition,
and
I
hope
that
just
clarifies
where
we
are
in
this
process
why
this
is
before
city
council.
M
I
thank
you,
mr
sheriff.
I
may
continue
sir.
Thank
you.
I
I
thank
you
very
much
for
that,
but
there
are
times
when
I
have
seen
such
organizations
such
as
the
architectural
review
board,
borrow
latino
and
whatnot
that
it's
cheaper
to
tear
down
something
and
build
it
to
the
exact
specifications
that
are
being
asked
for
than
the
repair
structure.
M
A
Thank
you,
council.
I.
B
A
Yes,
I've
been
sworn,
but
the
other
parties
that
are
part
of
this
application
have
not
been
sworn
yet
all
right,
she'll
swear
them
in
everyone
raise
your
hand.
Please.
C
B
A
I
have
with
me
peter.
A
Let
me
start
by
saying
that
the
we
have
supplemented
the
information.
This
is
a
de
novo
hearing,
which
means
that
you're
hearing
this
as
if
it
were
a
new
case
coming
before
you-
and
I
note
in
particular
that
the
variance
I
mean
the
architectural
review
commission
said
economic
hardship,
ability
to
renovate
the
structure
and
being
feasible
had
not
been
established,
and
we
we
plan
to
prove
all
of
those
issues
are
have
been
addressed
and
going
through
the
criteria
that's
established
by
the
code.
A
A
A
We
also
have
the
burden
of
proof
for
the
alternatives
to
demolition
relocation,
such
as
the
planned
districts.
We
have
a
letter
here
from
jvs
construction,
which
is
a
contractor.
The
city
regularly
uses,
as
well
as
they're
recognized
for
their
expertise
and
utilities,
housing,
relocations,
demolitions
and
I'll
read
into
the
record
what
they
say
in
their
letter-
and
this
is
a
letter
dated
february
23rd.
A
We
based
on
the
conditions
of
the
structure.
We
see
no
feasible
way
of
salvaging
the
structure.
We
have
very.
We
live
this
here,
close
to
the
alley
in
the
street
and
would
bring
in
a
crane
we'd
have
to
put
in
40
foot
high
beams,
fill
in
the
pool
area,
which
is
existing
they're
now,
and
the
foundation
removed
and
they're,
estimating
four
hundred
thousand
to
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
bring
that
into.
A
At
least
that's
just
the
structural
element,
we
also
reached
out
to
all
trades
historic
restoration
and
they
are
indicating
in
their
letter-
and
in
this
case
we
find
the
ability
to
save
this
structure
exceeds
the
economic
and
use
viability.
A
There
are
flooding
issues,
subsurface
structural
integrity
issues,
failing
in
failed
columns
beams
as
well
as
notable
building
shift.
The
possibility
of
a
complete
restoration
to
code
would
be
prohibitively
expensive
to
accomplish,
with
the
associated
extremely
negative
conditions
cannot
be
included
and
possibly
to
save,
and
it
goes
on
the
issue
of
the
encroachment,
deteriorated
structural
integrity
foundation,
failure,
lateral
column,
shifting
make
this
cost
prohibitive.
Our
estimate
for
restoration
alone.
This
is
not
the
stabilization,
not
the
relocation.
A
This
has
to
do
with
just
the
renovation
exceeds
550
thousand
dollars.
The
best
solution,
in
our
opinion,
is
salvage.
What
can
be
salvaged
in
terms
of
building
materials?
Demolish
the
structure
correct
the
subsurface
voids,
relocate,
remove
the
building
and
remove
and
eliminate
the
encroachment,
and
I
have
those
letters
which
I'll
be
happy
to
submit
into
the
record.
A
So
the
burden
of
proof
rests
upon
us
for
the
alternatives
for
demolition.
I
believe
that
the
john
simon
letter
and
the
all
trades
construction
letter
addressed
that
the
economic
feasibility
has
been
addressed
regarding
the
cost
they're
estimating
in
total
cost,
probably
somewhere
in
the
neighborhood
of
a
million
dollars
for
restoration
and
relocation,
can
it
be
retained
on
site.
The
answer
is
no.
The
letter
also
speaks
to
the
fact
that
you
would
have
to
shut
down
major
portions
of
streets
in
hyde
park
for.
A
A
We've
already
indicated
by
those
professionals
who
are
licensed
to
practice
in
the
state
of
florida
and
the
city
of
tampa
that
it's
not
feasible,
they
do
plan
to
reasonably
reconstruct
a
building
that
is
identical
and
is
consistent
with
the
historic
guidelines
and
the
design.
So
it
would
be
compatible
with
the
existing
structure
only.
It
would
be
relocated
so
that
it
met
the
existing
setbacks
that
are
required.
It
would
address
the
flooding
issue,
which
is
constant.
We
have
a
letter
here
also
from
a
flood
elevation
letter
that
I'll
be
putting
into
the
record
as
well.
A
That
indicates
that
this
that
flooding
issue
needs
to
be
addressed.
The
water
comes
down,
the
driveway
goes
along
the
south
side
of
the
building
and
deteriorates
the
wall
and
the
subsurface.
I
also
have
a
report
here
from
usaa
insurance
company
indicating
that
the
adjacent
property
to
the
south
has
potential
sinkhole
or
voids
in
the
in
the
ground,
which
would
have
to
be
addressed
by
either
injections
into
the
ground
to
stabilize
or
some
other
appropriate
manner.
It
could
require
pilings
as
opposed
to
foundations
that
are
typically
handled.
A
They
failed
to
consider
the
condition
of
the
building.
They
failed
to
consider
the
encroachment
that
exists.
They
failed
to
consider
the
structural
integrity,
the
utility
lines
the
subsurface
voids.
It's
also
going
to
get
to
the
letter
from
the
engineer
who's
indicating
that
the
structure
is
unsafe
to
occupy
and
as
has
posted
as
such,
so
there
is
no
occupation,
no
occupancy
allowed
in
that
building
without
the
the
occupants
being
at
risk.
A
Where
you
have
excessive
shifting
in
the
first
floor
and
the
drift
is
gradually
increasing
to
the
left
to
the
right
of
the
structure,
existing
steel
beam
was
not
properly
installed.
Someone
previously
installed
a
beam
to
try
to
stabilize
that
it's
not
anchored
correctly
and,
in
fact,
is
causing
more
damage.
A
The
construction,
the
first
floor
of
framing
needs
significant
repair
work,
there's
been
a
drastic
increase
in
the
shift.
The
homeowner
should
not-
and
I
repeat,
should
not
access
the
structure
at
this
time
with
drastic
and
continued
changes
of
drift
and
shift
does
not
feel
the
structure
is
currently
safe
to
occupy
the
attempt
to
move
relocate.
The
structure
will
cause
significant
damage
to
the
structure,
resulting
in
most
of
the
structure
having
to
be
rebuilt
to
match
the
existing
structure.
A
Also,
we've
talked
about
the
current
structure.
Framing
is
not
when
compliant
it's,
not
the
windows,
don't
meet
the
code.
The
carriage
house
could
be
habitable
with
structural.
Sound
would
not
make
it
structurally
sound
and
understands
the
carriage
house
is
listed
as
a
historic
building.
However,
in
the
all
trades
construction,
historic
restoration
letter,
they
point
out
that
the
significance
of
that
is
not
as
dramatic
as
the
significance
of
the
main
structure,
which
was
being
renovated
and
will
will
comply
with
all
of
the
codes.
A
A
We
also
have
extensive
termite
damage
and
I'm
going
to
show
you
some
pictures
in
a
minute.
They
have
the
elevation
certificate
indicating
that
it
is
in
a
flood
zone
and
is
experiencing
flooding
conditions
that
are
deteriorating.
The
existing
structure,
somebody
at
some
point
put
a
channel
on
the
side
of
the
building
to
try
to
direct
the
water
away
from
the
accessory
structure.
A
However,
that
did
not
work
and
the
water
still
flows
through
the
south
side
walls
and
is
contributing
to
the
this
to
the
deterioration
of
the
those
structural
walls.
A
This
is
the
report
from
this
is
the
termite
inspection
report,
which
also
indicates
visible
evidence
of
damage,
subterranean
termites,
location
of
the
garage,
the
framing
and
sheathing,
so
that
I
mean
this
is
just
an
additional
confirmation
regarding
the
deterioration
of
the
property.
A
We
also
were
requested
to
provide
information
regarding
the
cost
of
the
home
that
the
the
homeowners
paid
a
million
one
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
the
home
in
twenty
nineteen,
the
mortgage
balance
is
nine
hundred
and
five
thousand
nine
hundred
dollars.
The
appraised
value.
Current
appraised
value
is
one
million
three
hundred
and
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
with
the
garage
being
added
back
on
the
estimated
new
value
of
the
property
is
one
million
six
hundred
thousand
dollars.
A
A
Currently,
according
the
property
appraisers
records,
this
accessory
structure
is
valued
at
122
thousand
dollars.
It's
950
square
feet
460
square
feet
on
each
level.
The
bottom
level
is
a
existing
garage
and
storage
area.
The
upper
level
is
was
a
living
area
which
currently
cannot
be
occupied
safely.
A
A
A
Provided
you
with
the
licensed
engineers
and
architects
report,
and
we've
referred
you
back
to
the
engineering
and
structural
report
which
I
went
over
with
you
just
a
minute
ago,
the
estimated
market
value
we
provided
you
with
that
information.
An
estimate
from
architect,
developer
and
consultant.
We
provided
you
that,
from
all
trades,
historic
restoration
which
was
550
000
and
that
excludes
a
structural
support
or
the
relocation
of
the
of
the
structure.
A
A
The
information
I
have
just
a
few
more
things
to
put
on
the
record
here:
we
provide
you
with
the
information
regarding
the
amount
paid
for
the
property,
there's
not
available
to
be
rented
or
it's
not,
income
producing
the
remaining
balance
of
the
mortgage.
The
principal
balance,
the
appraisals
within
the
last
two
years,
and
it's
the
taxes
that
were
paid,
the
form
of
ownership,
is
single
family
from
alexander
fisher
and
peter
wu.
A
I
believe
that
we've
addressed
all
of
the
criteria
that's
established
by
the
code,
and
we
have
supplied
the
information
that
I'll
be
happy
to
put
into
the
record,
substantiating
all
of
our
claims,
so
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
The
engineers
here,
the
the
contractors
here
and
the
property
owners
here.
In
addition
to
myself.
Thank
you,
of
course,.
O
Mr
michelini,
this
is
some
of
the
most
one
of
the
most
detailed
presentations
I've
seen
on
council.
Why
do
you
think
the
arc
wasn't
convinced
by
this
and
if
you
were
before
them
again
today,
what
would
you
say
differently
or-
or
you
know
how?
How
would
you
convince
them?
I.
A
O
A
F
Mr
excuse
me,
mr
chair,
and
I
apologize
for
the
city
attorney's
office.
May
I
just
add
some
additional
information
regarding
that
question.
That
was
just
asked
by
the
councilman
phil.
F
F
What
was
presented
to
and
this
this
exhibit
c
provides
the
information
regarding
the
cost
of
the
accessory
renovation
compared
to
the
cost
of
the
accessory
new
construction.
What
was
presented
and
previously
provided
to
city
council
was
a
value.
A
building
total
at
the
bottom
of
the
table,
on
exhibit
c
that
was
provided
to
city
council
in
the
packet
from
staff,
was
a
total
difference
of
289
953.
F
F
However,
I
believe
I
know
it's
a
small
thought,
but
what
the
cost
that
mr
nicolini
provided
to
city
council
today,
I
believe
that
cost,
as
he
explained,
was
much
different
compared
to
what
was
presented
to
the
arc
and
if
mr
michelini
can
just
clarify
that
that
total
cost
comparison
between
the
cost
of
renovation
and
the
new
construction,
and
it's
in
exhibit
c.
A
I'll
be
happy
to
clarify
that
some
of
the
information
that
I
presented
today
was
not
available
for
that
hearing
and
what
occurred
was
that
when
the
property
owners
and
the
contractor
contacted
me
and
asked
me
to
try
to
help
them,
determine
what
could
and
should
be
done
with
this,
we
went
back
through
the
the
criteria
that
was
established
by
the
city
and
took
a
diligent
time
and
effort
to
make
sure
that
we
addressed
each
and
every
one
of
those.
A
Those
criteria,
and
I
think
part
of
the
problem
was
that
when
it
was
originally
presented
that
all
of
the
criteria,
at
least
from
from
the
perspective
of
the
presenter,
wasn't
known
at
that
time,
and
I
think
that
they
well,
they
can
speak
for
themselves.
But
I
think
the
problem
was
a
misunderstanding
about
the
the
detail
that
was
required
to
obtain
approval
for
a
demolition.
So
like.
O
B
D
May
I
yes,
sir,
all
right,
let
me
get
to
the
page.
D
D
Parcel
here
on
this
property,
however,
due
to
the
the
quality
of
the
structure,
the
cost
to
restore
and
the
cost
to
rebuild
it,
which
is
significant
and,
of
course
it
would
meet
standards
upon
being
rebuilt
and
everything
else
that
was
explained,
especially
the
property
value,
as
is
the
property
value
with
the
accessory
structure
where
that
structure
is
located,
which
is
on
the
alleyway.
So
the
front
house
would
not
be
affected,
which
that
is,
I
believe,
the
most
important
aspect
of
you
know
what
is
in
that
historic
neighborhood.
B
C
M
B
Mr,
let
me
say
something
to
you,
so
if
you
don't
mind,
I
got
a
couple
of
phone
calls.
I
guess
the
paper's
out
already
mr
miranda
yeah
yeah,
it's
not
already,
but
let
me
you
know,
I
speak
with
conviction
and
passion.
I
think
most
of
the
council
members
know
that
I
I
speak
a
hard
time
time,
but
it's
not
in
a
mean
way
just
the
way.
I
talk,
I'm
that
old,
ball
coach.
B
You
understand,
mr
shelby,
so
I
wasn't
scolding
you
so
I
was
just
giving
you
a
little
coaching,
a
little
direction,
kind
of
like
when
I'm
on
the
ball
field
and
the
offensive
coordinator
he's
he's,
he's
not
giving
it
giving
that
that
that
good
play.
Mr
randy,
I
got
to
go,
say:
hey.
Do
I
need
to
take
it
over
dude?
You
gonna
call
the
play.
So
that's
what
that
was
about
so
no
scolding
yourself,
just
making
sure
that
you
understand
the
direction
this
council
needs
to
move
in
and
making
just
clear
that
we
we.
B
We
love
that
that
you're
here
with
us,
but
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
get
the
advice
we
need
from
you
and
people
know
that
we're
here
to
do
the
people's
work.
Sir,
thank.
E
B
P
Whatever
you
want
before,
I
said
a
gentleman
todd
vega,
who
was
with
the
plumbers
and
pipefitters
local
one,
two
three
has
passed
on
and
I
wanted
to
do
a
commendation
off-site
and
if
anybody
wants
to
come
with
me,
whenever
it's
done
I'll
I'll,
just
let
me
know
and
brandon
if
you're
listening,
if
you
can
get
with
jim
juniko
on
what
would
be
the
best
form
for
that.
I
appreciate
that
or
kevin
barber.
Whoever
thank
you.
P
Right,
thank
you,
sir,
and
then
next
we
we
have
been
working
on
for
a
while
for
for
too
darn
long
for
a
marker
with
the
equal
justice
initiative,
which
is
set
in
montgomery,
alabama
and
and
finally,
finally,
we've
gotten
what
appears
to
be
full
authorization
from
all
the
different
levels
of
government
that
we
need
for
it,
etc,
etc,
and,
in
fact,
friday,
we're
actually
going
with
the
portico
a
few
of
us
for
what's
called
the
soil
ceremony
over
to
montgomery,
so
I'll,
be
riding
with
some
folks
to
montgomery
over
the
weekend,
montgomery
alabama.
P
But
I
wanted
to
bring
I
we
could
do
it
at
the
ceremonial
city
council.
Maybe
just
a
couple
of
members
from
our
equal
justice
initiative
group.
It
could
be
representative,
driscoll,
tammy,
brian
spratling,
whoever
it
may
be:
pastor,
glenn,
dames
others
to
come,
maybe
in
april
or
may
or
whatever,
to
talk
about
this
this
initiative
and
and
what
it
what
it
means
for
us
and
what
not
this.
This
is
gonna,
be
a
marker,
a
memorial
marker
which
deals
with
the
history
of
racial
lynchings
during
the
jim
crow
era.
P
Here
in
the
city
of
tampa
in
hillsborough
county
and
recounting
some
incidents
that
occurred,
I
think
it's
very
important
that
marker
talks
about
these
incidents,
as
well
as
the
great
migration
and
a
lot
of
really
pivotal
history.
So
I
wanted
a
motion,
if
I
may,
for
in
april,
we
can
do
it
and
see
how
it
works
with
everybody
at
the
ceremonial
just
to
have
someone
some
folks
come
and
and
that's
it.
So
I
make
that
motion
if
I
may.
O
A
couple
times
today
I
mentioned
the
budget,
and
last
year
there
was
a
process,
some
of
it.
I
thought
worked
some
of
it
didn't,
but
it
was
a
great
effort
by
the
chief
of
staff
to
try
to
engage
city
council.
So
unless
somebody
knows
of
a
meeting
that's
already
set
up,
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
ask
the
chief
of
staff
and
cfo
to
appear
before
council
during
staff
reports
on
april
7th,
to
discuss
the
collaborative
process
between
the
administration
and
council
for
creating
the
next
budget.
B
Mr
shelby,
on
that
note
we're
talking
about
budget.
We
need
to
go
ahead
and
clear
up
about
the
budget
and
finance
committee
they're
lagging
behind
me.
There's
a
misnomers.
No,
you
know
just
a
mistake
that
was
made,
but
you
know
that
people
don't
understand
that
budget
and
finance
they're
under
the
sunshine
they
have
been
operating.
I
think
out
of
the
sunshine
and
a
lot
of
things
you
know
you
know
these
are
things
we're
talking
about.
B
The
city
is
getting
bigger,
questions
are
being
raised
and
again
not
no
fault
of
any
plan.
It's
just
the
way
the
city
has
grown
in
in
questions
and
and
these
boards
and
committees
have
different
duties.
Just
like
the
nuisance
abatement
and
sort
of
enforcement
committee.
Now
they're
they're
moving
a
different
direction,
so
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
are
getting
that
budget
on
board,
making
sure
that
their
bylaws
their
rules
and
something
to
come
back
to
this
council
for
approval
to
get
them
make
sure
they're
operating.
B
E
B
You
can
come
back
with
something
business
show
me
no
time
today,
but
just
someone
make
sure
that
we
get
them
on
track
and
get
them
working.
Since
ms
carlos
is
talking
about
the
budget,
we
need
to
make
sure
they're
have
the
resources
where
they
need
to
be
able
to
operate.
E
Okay,
I'll
come
back
with
some
some
suggestions
on
the
next
regular
meeting
I'll
bring
that
back
on
there.
N
B
P
Thank
you.
Thank
you
everyone's
like
so,
and
thank
you
for
that
councilman
citro.
If
I
may
inquire,
are
they
have
because
I
6.03
in
the
charter,
I
believe
and
gosh
mr
shelby,
if
you
could
correct
me
once
there's
the
nomination,
then
the
submission
has
that
been
submitted
and
then
the
15
days
begins.
E
P
M
M
B
I
want
to
make
it
clear,
because
people
may
see
the
nominee
of
appointment
for
the
police
chief,
because
to
me
this
this
board.
This
body
has
not
confirmed
a
police
chief
of
the
city
of
town,
the
person
that
the
mayor
has
elected
to
be
a
nominee
appointee
to
come
a
forceful
conferral
to
say
before
a
cra
meeting
you
mean
at
nine
o'clock
and
then
a
cra
me.
I
mean
that
that
cr80
may
they
drag
on.
B
H
B
M
B
E
M
E
B
E
P
Oh
yes,
sir,
and
thank
you
sorry
thanks
for
looking
at
the
charter
now,
because
I
didn't
know
and
again
people
make
their
motions
based
upon
whatever
origin
that
they
have.
So
I
didn't
mean
to
intrude
on
that
councilman
citro,
but
I
didn't
know
if
that
meant
that
the
administration
was
because
the
the
charter
here
sex,
says
6.03.
P
The
mayor
shall
appoint
and
submit
to
the
city
council
for
confirmation,
certain
positions
and
it's
it's
obvious
that
you
all
have
appointed
but
has
the
submission
actually
occurred,
and
then
it
says
the
city
and
again
I
don't
mean
to
offer
any
legal
interpretation.
I'm
just
reading
quickly
here
off
my
iphone,
the
city
council
within
15
days
after
sub-submission
after
sub-submission,
shall
confirm
or
disapprove
such
appointment
and
the
failure
of
city
council
to
act
upon
such
appointment
within
said
time
shall
be
confirmation
thereof.
P
Therefore,
my
question
is
to
to
par,
which
is
really
one
number
one
has
it
submitted,
but
number
two
if
it
hasn't
been
submitted,
may
we
vote
on
it
under
this
charter
provision?
So
so
that's
why
I
was
inquiring
in
that
regard.
That's
it!
Thank
you.
I
Yeah,
thank
you.
Thank
you
councilman
again.
Clearly,
I'm
not
the
city
attorney,
but
what
I,
what
I
am
aware
of
in
the
charter
is
that,
just
as
you
said
that,
once
the
administration
submits
the
resolution
for
council's
approval
for
confirmation,
which
is
what
I
understand,
councilman
sintra,
was
bringing
forward.
So
if
the
motion
is
approved,
then
the
city
would
submit
that
as
the
one
agenda
item
on
the
special
call
meeting
and
then,
as
far
as
the
15
day
clock
it.
O
I
don't
know
when
the
best
day
to
do
this
would
be,
but
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
people
lined
up
it's
going
to
be
a
huge
amount
of
public
engagement
and,
and
essentially
we
would
be
canceling
the
the
cra
meeting,
because
it
could
end
up
taking
several
hours.
There
are
strong
feelings
in
the
public
as
we've
talked
about
before,
and
we
city
council
did
not
create
that.
I
met
with
a
candidate
and
I
liked
her
a
lot.
I
also
liked
butch
delgado.
O
I
did
not
meet
the
the
third
one,
but
there
because
there
are
strong
feelings
on
on
both
sides,
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
people
from
the
public,
so
I
think
we
just
need
to
take
that
into
consideration.
The
other
thing
is
that,
as
councilman
vieira
just
read,
the
administration
is
supposed
to
submit
the
candidate
to
city
council
and
I
don't
want
to
get
into
detail
and
ask
questions.
O
But
if
the
administration
asks
council
member
citro,
then
it
just
falls
in
line
with
the
count
with
the
administration,
as
has
been
done
with
press
conferences
and
other
things
the
administration
caters
to
to
some
of
us
and
then
excludes
the
rest
of
us
and
city
council
is
a
body
that,
by
the
way,
staff
works
with
the
body
that
the
legal
department
is
is
by
charter
obligated
to
to
have
the
city
council
as
a
body
as
a
client
and
not
not
play
favorites
to
one
of
their
clients.
O
But
there
is
a
legal
process
that
is
respectful
process.
The
way
this
is
has
been
handled
all
along
has
not
been
respectful
of
city
council,
and
I
don't,
I
don't
think
anybody
dislikes
the
candidate,
but
why
does
the
administration
have
to
disrespect
city
council
the
public
through
this
process
now
what's
happening
it
and
partly
at
our
request,
is
that
there's
been
this
road
show
of
strong,
arming
the
the
community?
There
are
allegations
about
our
emails
being
searched
in
the
last
couple
days.
O
Suddenly,
we've
gotten
an
email
campaign
from
the
business
community
telling
us
that
we
need
to
approve
this.
I
mean
this
is
not
being
handled
in
any
way
like,
as
I
understand
it,
like
the
ones
in
the
past,
there's
a
respectful
way
of
handling
this
and
there's
a
way
of
looking
at
it
like
a
like
a
marketing
push
or
a
political
push,
as
if
we're
pushing
for
something
on
a
ballot.
O
I
it
you
know,
contacting
the
business
community,
ask
them
to
flood
us
with
emails,
is
a
disrespectful
way
to
handle
this
when
all
it
takes
is
some
phone
calls,
and
I
met
with
chief
bennett
last
week
or
week
before
about
it,
and
we
had
a
great
conversation.
I
had
a
great
conversation
with
the
with
the
candidate,
but
why?
Why
is
it
that
this
process
can't
be
it
at
the
very
basic
level
respectful
of
city
council?
It's
it's
disrespectful
in
so
many
ways,
and
I'm
just
frustrated
by
that.
O
I
I
don't
want
to
be
against
the
candidate,
but
I,
but
we
have
the
public
on
on
both
sides
of
this,
and
then
we
have
a
campaign
being
run
by
somebody
within
the
administration
that
that
is
is
at
best
disrespectful
city,
council
and
the
public.
Thank
you.
B
Mr
carlson,
you
know
we've
all
seen
and
received
all
kind
of
calls.
I
mean
I
see
who
calls
people,
I
ain't
never
dealt
with,
don't
like
me,
but
call
me
for
or
against,
and
that's
why
I
talk
about
the
charter
in
the
process.
B
Somehow
it
got
out
of
balance,
be
it
interpretation
or
what
whatever,
but
we
as
a
body,
have
to
clear
it
up
for
the
public,
because
we've
all
been
asking
the
process
as
soon
as
the
process
changes
the
who's,
quoting
statutes
it
it's
the
process
and
we
have
to
make
sure
we
have
a
you
know.
We
call
the
police
for
an
sop.
You
know.
Sometimes
people
can
interpret.
Sometimes
it's
just
clear-cut,
and
sometimes
our
charter
is
not
clear
cut.
It
leaves
for
vagueness.
At
times
I
have
a
problem.
B
Mr
sutra
of
a
special
call
me
on
a
crb.
If
you
want
to
have
that
on
a
special
call
of
day,
or
obviously
I'm
all
for
it,
but
have
a
special
call
day
on
a
thursday
to
infringe
on
the
cra,
knowing
that
this
is
a
controversial
issue
we'll
take
all
day-
and
it
will
take
us
into
the
evening
session-
I'm
sure,
because
you're
going
to
have
a
multitude
of
people
that
probably
be
virtual,
want
to
be
down
here.
I
don't
think
that's
fair
to
the
public.
I
want
this
over
with
myself.
B
Let
me
finish.
I
I
want
this
over
with
myself,
I'm
tyler
dealing
with
this,
this
nominee
police
issue.
It
needs
to
be
handled
appropriately.
I
don't
think,
and
I'm
just
I'm
a
chief
of
staffer.
I
respect
him
highly
and
I
respect
the
mayor,
but
I
publicly
I
have
a
problem
with
with
the
candidate
and
it's
not
her
fault,
her
her
being
designated
as
the
chief
of
police
of
the
city
of
tampa
without
being
conferred
by
the
city
council.
B
I
have
no
problem
with
the
candidate
going
out
talking
to
the
citizens,
communicating,
but
I
do
have
a
problem
with
the
person
signing
documents,
as
the
chief
of
police
in
this
council
per
charter
have
not
conferred
that
person.
I
think
that's
wrong.
That
is
out
of
balance
mr
carlson
you're
right
on
that
accord,
but
that's
the
administration
that
I
can't
deal
with
that
house
over
there
does.
I
only
could
deal
with
how
this
house
operates
and
how
we
will
operate
as
me
being
the
chairman,
but
going
forward
against
the
citro.
M
N
I
don't
want
to
become
what
I
see
coming
and
you
got
to
brush
off
and
keep
going
one
way
or
the
other.
There
are
no
winners
and
no
losers,
but
on
the
process
of
nominations
or
presenting
presentations
to
councils,
different
people
are
done
a
different
way,
sometimes
there's
a
piece
of
paper
that
they
hand
you
yeah.
They
give
it
to
you.
Then,
two
weeks
later
they
come
in
and
there's
12
names
and
you
can
buy
acclimation.
N
Do
it
one
at
a
time
or
do
all
12.
and
that's
how
it's
done
I
mean
did.
I
know
this
was
coming
up.
Absolutely
not
so
I'm
just
as
at
odd
as
everyone
else,
but
for
the
sake
of
clarity
going
forward,
it
has
to
come
to
an
end
sooner
than
later,
you're
right
and
I'm
I'm
not
saying
about
the
process.
N
N
This
city
has
been
named
and
most
of
every
things
that
I've
read,
and
I
don't
try
to
read
too
much
one
or
two
and
a
lot
of
categories,
and
one
of
the
categories
that
we
have
that's
astonishing
is
the
crime
rate
that
we've
had
in
the
past.
It's
been
lowered
by
a
lot.
N
I
don't
know
what
the
percentage
is,
because
you
can
deal
percentages
any
way
you
want,
when
you
compare
our
police
department
against
any
police
department
at
the
size
of
the
city
and
look
at
the
crime
rate
and
look
how
it's
going
down.
I
don't
think
there's
none
that
can
compare
with
the
city
of
tampa
and
the
citizens
know
that
do
we
have
some
problems?
N
Yes
and
the
problem
is
now
that
your
crime
rate
may
go
down,
but
your
murder
rate
goes
up
for
whatever
reason
this
is
happening
in
every
city
in
america
and
that's
got
to
be
addressed
one
way
or
the
other,
because
we
cannot
continue
being
the
country
that
we
are
and
killing
ourselves
for
whatever
reason
somebody
gets
mad
at
somebody,
they
shoot
the
whole
family
and
then
they
shoot
themselves.
Well
shoot
yourself,
don't
worry
about
the
family,
but
they
don't
do
that.
N
They
want
to
take
some
people
with
them,
and
these
are
the
things
that
I
see
that
are
just
society
has
gone
haywire
and
not
all
society.
Don't
get
me
wrong
when
I
say
that,
but
it's
got
to
be
a
time
and
point
where
this
city
keeps
marching
forward.
We're
standing
still
in
a
lot
of
areas,
and
we
got
to
look
forward
and
forget
what's
behind
us,
because
if
not
you're
going
to
fall
and
drown
yourself.
O
I
just
want
to
say
one
more
thing
for
the
record.
My
legislative
aid
dossier
will
attest
to
this
at
lunch.
I
asked
her
to
send
a
memo
which
I'm
going
to
prove
as
soon
as
the
meeting's
over
to
counsel
to
say
that
for
family
reasons,
I'm
not
going
to
be
here
next
thursday.
So
before
you,
I
don't
want
anyone
to
think
that
we
could
take
this
vote
and
I
understand,
then
the
memo
comes
out
and
I'm
trying
to
avoid
the
vote.
P
Yes,
sir,
and
and
if,
if
I
may
very
quickly,
you
know,
I
think
the
spirit
of
councilman
citroe's
motion
is
that
we
want
to
expedite
this
and
get
a
dispositive
movement
on
this
soon,
as
councilman
miranda
said.
I
agree
with
that.
You
know,
potentially,
potentially
we
could
take
that
time
to
talk
about
her
talk
about
her
feelings
on
it
and
whatnot.
I
think,
though,
to
you
know,
I
I
internally
assumed
that
this
was
going
to
come
before
us,
maybe
march
17th,
maybe
march
24th.
P
I
internally
assume
that
without
any
discussions,
so
I
think
it's
going
to
be
disposed
of
one
way
or
the
other.
You
know,
as
I've
always
said,
this
is
part
of
a
process
and
I
think
our
duty
is
to
be
reasonable
to
be
fair,
to
apply
scrutiny,
etc
and,
as
as
some
of
you
all
have
said,
before,
we've
gotten
a
lot
of
input.
P
So
it
and-
and
you
know,
we
have
to
be
reasonable
and
fair,
but
in
terms
of
how
the
vote
will
go
and
what
not
it's
it's
it's
hard
to
predict,
but
I
I
like
to
let
the
process
work
itself
out
with
a
stipulation
that
it
will
be
done
reasonably
soon,
but
I
think
to
mandate
a
time
march,
10th
with
the
little
time
that
we
have
is
in
my
respectful
position,
not
the
best
way
to
go,
even
though
I
understand
councilman,
citroe's
intention,
which
I
think
is
on
point
with
regards
to
disposing
of
this
relatively
soon.
N
N
If
I
may,
and-
and
I
appreciate
what
mr
carlson's
saying
I
and
I
believe
what
he
told
is
that
it's
factual-
that,
if
he's
not
going
to
be
here
on
march,
what
day
is
it
the
10th
and
mr
dingfeld
is
not
going
to
be
here?
N
That
leaves
five
council
members
correct
and
I
don't
think
that's
appropriate
for
the
party
going
forward
to
have
unity
so
that
whatever
we
do
or
don't
do
the
public
has
a
gauge
on
us
a
thermometer
and-
and
I
don't
want
this
city
to
be
divided
any
any
further
or
any
longer.
Although
I
have
a
second,
I
really
don't
want
to
take
a
vote
on
it
now
because
mr
carlton's
not
going
to
be
here,
mr
dick
fellow
is
not
here.
I
don't
think
that's
appropriate,
mr
chair.
M
I
tend
to
agree
with
with
councilman
miranda.
If
we're
going
to
have
two
apps
and
council
people
sure
I
would
draw
my
motion.
N
I
B
B
I
Okay,
thank
you
for
council's
feedback
and-
and
I
appreciate
the
the
some
of
the
comments
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
few
comments
that,
in
response
to
some
of
the
things
were
said
first
of
all,
is
you
know,
as
the
mayor
made
the
appointment,
to
bring
and
submit
to
council
for
confirmation
by
by
what
we
know,
as
the
charter
actually
was
put
in
for
what
was
going
to
be
today,
but
we
knew
that
councilman
ding
felder
wasn't
available
by
his
memo,
so
we
withdrew
the
the
submission
for
the
regular
agenda
because,
as
it's
been
said
in
there,
we
were
hoping
for
a
full
council.
B
E
Council,
when,
when,
when
this
first
became
apparent,
the
questions
about
6.03
that
councilman
vieira
read
became
quite
the
inquiries
became
quite
numerous
relative
to
what,
after
15
days,
what
constitutes
such
submission-
and
I
guess
that's
why
I
think
it's
appropriate
that
if
we
could
ask
the
legal
department
to
come
on
here,
so
that
everybody
who
is
watching
and
every
council
member
is
aware
of
what
constitutes
submission.
E
The
question
is:
is
it
the
filing
of
the
reza
with
the
clerk?
Is
it
delivered
to
city
council?
Is
it
when
the
agenda
is
released
or
is
when
the
item
is
called
up
at
the
meeting?
But
people
have
been
asking:
when
does
the
clock
start
running
and
that's
one
of
those
things
that
people
have
different
interpretations?
So
I
just
would
like
to
the
legal
department
to
be
able
to
clarify
for
the
council
and
the
public
just
so
that
question
is
answered
in
its
opinion.
I
N
E
I
I
suspect,
I
I
suspect
well,
if
it
depends,
the
motion
is
withdrawn,
so
it
really
it.
The
clock
does
not
start
running.
Can.
O
My
my
suggestion
would
be
that
a
formal
letter
would
come
from
mayor's
office
with
the
words
on
it
that
are
in
the
charter
saying
this
is
our
official
submission
and,
and
also
you
know
respectfully.
This
starts
the
15
day
clock
something
like
that.
So
we
have
a
an
official
letter,
but
we
need
to
find
out
from
legal
because
right
now
there's
this
is
another
area
of
the
charter.
That's
not
specific,
and
it's
not
that
we
would
want
to
change
the
powers.
It's
just
to
say
what
form
would
the
the
notice
take.
O
And
in
what
form
does
the
notice
take,
and
I
don't
know
what
the
precedent
has
been
in
the
past?
I
think
prior
mayors
have
just
put
it
on
the
agenda,
but
but
that
is
there
any
precedent
for
what
form
it
would
take.
Is
it
a
memo?
Is
it?
Is
it
something
else
you
know
what?
What
is
that
you
know
it
would
say
like
regarding
this
is
our
I
forgot
what
the
words
are
in
the
chart,
but
this
is
our
nomination
or
this
is
our
submission.
B
All
right
see
the
attorneys
on
the
on
the
screen
afternoon.
B
Right
all
right,
mr
shelby
has
a
question,
and
I
guess
mr
carlson
has
to
follow
up
with
that.
If
you
heard
the
the
question
already,
if
I
can,
mr
shelby.
P
Well,
my
question
wasn't
really
illegal.
It
was
more
so
with
regards
to
councilman
citroe's
motion
which,
as
I
understood
it,
it's
withdrawn,
but
it
sought
to
have
what
appeared
to
be
a
compelled
vote
compelled
vote
on
on
mrs
o'connor's
nomination,
and
my
question
was:
may
we
vote
on
that
if
the
administration
has
not
formally
submitted
it
and
and
so
that
I
didn't
know
if
that
was
their
way
of
submitting
it?
P
That's
all
it's
just
it
was.
It
was
kind
of
unclear,
but
it's
been
withdrawn.
So
I
guess
the
issue
becomes
as
councilman
carlson
correctly
said,
how
were
how
will
the
administration
signify
their
submission?
Will
it
be
done
in
a
letter
we
hereby
submit?
That's
all.
E
It
has
I,
it
has
appeared
in
the
past,
for
instance
like
when
the
interim
appointment
was
made
and
and
the
solid
waste
person
mr
washington
was
made.
It
was
done
by
placing
it
on
the
agenda
as
a
resolution
and
that's
when
it
was
taken
up.
I
could
be
mistaken
or
corrected
either
way,
but
legal
department
is
fear.
C
That's
what
it's
considered
quote
submitted,
but
councilman
carlson's
suggestion
that
we
say
in
our
memo
that
we
hereby
submit
to
you
for
confirmation,
the
appointment
of
chief
o'connor.
I
think
we
can
do
that.
I
don't
see
anything
difficult
or
wrong
with
that
and
if,
if
you're
concerned,
that
the
administration
is
going
to
take
the
position
that
it's
that
it's
been
submitted
and
your
15-day
time
clock
has
expired
and
it's
thereby
confirmed.
I
don't.
I
don't
think
that
should
be
a
concern
of
yours.
C
I
don't
think
that
we
would
go
to
all
of
the
lengths
that
we've
gone
to
to
try
to
schedule
this
on
a
date
when
all
of
the
council
members
calendars
are
are
clear.
I
don't
think
we
would
have
gone
to
that
length
to
try
to
schedule
it
for
that
date
if
we
were
trying
to
slip
by
with
a
15-day
automatic
confirmation
so,
but
just
just
to
satisfy
your
concerns.
What
we
can
do
in
the
memo
that
is
submitted
is
to
say
the
15
day
time
clock
is
hereby
started.
O
Yeah
and
just
to
be
clear-
and
I
kind
of
said
this
earlier-
I
think
none
of
this
most
of
this
is
not
has
never
been
our
concerns.
It's
been
the
volume
of
calls
and
emails.
We've
gotten.
You
know
there
was.
C
O
I
think
you
you
all
addressed
some
of
those
I
turned
over
to
a
couple
weeks
ago
and
you
all
addressed
some
of
those,
because
there
were
calls
from
the
media
and
others
about
whether
whether
this
15-day
rule-
I
don't
know
who
was
pushing
that.
But
but
there
was
this,
this
worry
out
there.
C
I
think,
as
you've
said
in
the
past,
that
we
try
to
be
collaborative
with
the
council,
and
so,
if
you
have
a
concern
about
when
the
15-day
time
clock
begins,
then
we
can
simply
say
in
the
memo
submitting
the
resolution
for
confirmation.
We
can
simply
say
that
we
hereby
submit
yeah.
O
And,
like
I
said
my
my
concern
was
more
about
sorry.
My
concern
was
more
about
the
the
concerns
that
were
brought
up
by
the
community
and
the
media,
but
whatever
form
this
has
taken
in
the
past
or
whatever
form
we
you
decide
to
use
going
forward.
It,
I
think,
would
just
be
the
form
of
it,
and
this
one
has
been
a
long,
drawn-out
process,
partly
because
the
route
that
somebody
decided
a
day
to
take
and
the
campaigning
that's
going
on
behind
the
scenes.
O
But
the
other
thing
is,
is
because
the
community
what
was
polarized
on
it
and
the
q
there
were
a
lot
of
people
in
the
community
that
are
for
against
and
have
given
us
their
points
of
view,
and,
if
not
for
that,
it
might
have
gone
quickly.
But
could
I
ask
for
the
same
reasons
that
my
colleagues
mentioned?
Can
we
just
pick
another
day
I
it
and
I
apologize
that
I'm
not
going
to
be
here
next
thursday,
but
is
there
another?
O
E
I
just
want
to
point
out
that.
Excuse
me,
councilman
dingfelder
is
not
online
and
he's
he's
not
participating
now,
so
I
don't
know
what.
B
B
So
I
would
say,
let's
get
in
touch
with
mr
dean
from
the
shelby,
and
maybe
we
can
do
it
on
the
16th
on
that
wednesday
or
something
like
that
they
do
a
week,
and
that
way
you
have
a
special
call
and
that
way
we
can
deal
with
strictly
the
police
chief
issue,
because
I'm
telling
you,
if
you
put
that
on
the
calendar
for
the
17th,
we
already
have
a
tight
schedule.
You
have
a
multitude
of
people
here
to
speak
on
that
item
and
virtually
I
don't.
B
I
don't
want
to
do
that
to
you
to
the
administration.
I
don't.
I
don't
want
to
do
that
this
council.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
able
to
hear
what
the
public
has
to
say
and
we
make
a
decision,
so
I
can
entertain
a
special
call
meetings,
probably
the
day
before
the
set
the
16th
15th
one
of
those
days,
and
that
way,
mr
mr
dean
for
probably
will
be
back
and
probably
could
have
a
full
council.
E
B
E
B
I
don't
think
it's
a
part
of
working
every
other,
just
think.
It's
part
of
see
what
date
is
this
room
going
to
be
available
for
us
to
do
business
and
from
that
point
we
just
make
sure
counselors
are
going
to
be
here
that
date,
you
know
before
the
cra
next
week
vote
on
that
or
whatever
that
nightmare
vote
on
it,
and
then
you
put
up
that
notes
for
a
special
call
me.
E
With
a
week's
notice
sufficiently
hopefully,
but
the
question
is:
who
who's
going
to
take
that
there's
multiple
tasks
involved
here
and
what.
E
B
E
E
E
Okay
and
then
just
to
make
sure
logistically
that
the
the
cttv
and
the
other
and
the
clerk's
office
is
available
to
go
in.
That's.
B
C
Just
to
assist
a
little
further,
I
can
give
you
some
dates
this
month,
where
there
is
no
meeting,
we
have
march
15th
march
14th,
where
there's
no
day
sessions
from
any
boards
or
committees
as
well
as
march
21st,
and
I'm
not
sure
how
soon
we
need
to
have
this
resolution
before
a
council.
But
there's
no
meeting
on
march
31st.
B
O
B
O
Unless
between
now
and
whenever
the
vote
is
nothing
would
change
so
it
it
seems
like
it
drags
it
out
longer,
but
the
31st.
If
we
don't
have
a
meeting,
because
it's
the
fifth
thursday
that
seems
like
it
would
be
the
best
time,
because
that's
when
the
public
would
expect
to
show
up
anyway,.
B
B
O
Other
days,
the
members
of
the
public
complain
because
they
think
that
we're
trying
to
hold
on
a
different
day,
so
they
wouldn't
know
about
it,
even
though
their
notices,
the
average
person
in
public,
thinks
about
watching
us
on
thursdays.
I.
D
March
31st
at
9
00
a.m.
It
is
a
thursday,
it
is
not
a
council
day,
it's
an
it's
all,
it's
open
if
it
takes
30
minutes
or
if
it
takes
six
hours,
and-
and
this
is
an
order
for
the
to
this-
that
is
the
discussion
and
the
vote
for
the
police
chief.
E
I'm
just
concerned,
mr
chairman,
because
I
believe
there
was
a
specific
form
of
the
motion
that
council
member
sitro
wanted
to
the
verbiage.
N
E
I
know
you
moved
through
the
motion,
but
with
regard
to
the
verbiage
of
of
for
the
purpose
of,
because
that
goes
into
the
special
call,
and
I
just
wanted
to
be
able
to
get
that.
That
down.
M
D
I
Yes,
sir,
thank
you.
Thank
you
chairman.
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
and
which
kind
of
comports
to
some
of
the
questions
is
that
normally,
when
sire
populates
the
agenda
from
the
administration
kind
of
dovetails
back
to
what's
been
questioned
already,
it
was
going
to
be
put
on
there
today,
based
on
some
of
the
things
we
know
and
to
bring
in
bring
this
into
a
confirmation
opportunity.
I
But
knowing
that
certain
council
member
wasn't
available,
we
acquiesced
and
said,
let's
not
put
it
on
there,
which
has
kind
of
been
the
spirit
of
what
the
conversation
has
been.
The
next
opportunity
for
the
administration,
to
put
it
on
as
a
submission
would
be
the
17th,
and
I
would
recommend-
and
I
understand
what
we're
theorizing
about
the
complexity
of
the
confirmation
and
and
the
the
public
engagement.
But
you
know
I
feel,
like
the
17th
would
be
the
proper
time
to
submit
it
through
the
normal
sire
process.
O
Cheap
in
it
I
mean
ultimately,
we
especially
because
of
15
day
rule.
We
have
to
go
with
whatever
you
all
request,
but
I
would,
I
think
it
benefits
the
administration
and
the
nominee
to
have
it
longer,
because
the
people
who
were
against
her
were
lobbying
for
us
to
have
the
vote
a
week
or
two
ago.
The
people
that
are
for
her
are
are
increasing
every
day
as
she
goes
out
and
meets
people.
O
People
like
her
and
we're
getting
positive
emails,
and
it
seems,
like
I
mean,
if
we're
worried
about
the
length
of
time
she
she's
already
been
called
the
police
chief
and
instead
of
getting
more
negative
emails,
we're
getting
more
positive
emails.
So
it
seems
like
there
will
be
more
of
a
community
consensus
by
march
31st,
and
most
of
the
negativity
would
have
gone
away.
I
You
know
I
understand
the
balance
there,
but
I
also
understand
the
internal
dynamics
of
the
agency
that
you
know
again,
balancing
the
community
engagement,
which
you
know,
I'm
very
aware
of
the
level
of
that
and
balancing
the
internal
concerns.
I
just
felt
like
the
17th
would
be
a
good
opportunity
to
bring
it
forward.
B
B
B
B
B
Yes,
it's
a
thursday,
but
the
31st
is
too
long
if
you're
gonna
do
it
on
a
thursday,
do
it
on
the
17th,
and
that
means
you
have
to
scrap
some
stuff
on
the
17th
or
maybe
or
you're,
going
to
scrap
some
stuff,
because
people
are
going
to
come
here.
I
have
no
problem
because
17
minutes
is
a
busy
day,
but
the
31st
is
too
long.
If
we
describe
some
things,
I
have
no
problem
with
scrapping
some
stuff.
Mr
carlson,
you
recognize
yeah
just.
O
N
Chairman,
if
I
I
just
want
to
get
moving,
my
colleague
crawford
was
thinking
more
like
I
am,
and
I'm
starting
to
get
worried
now.
Do.
N
E
I
just
want
to
be
clear:
take
a
look
at
the
calendar.
Just
so
there's
no
confusion,
then
this
is
the
first
motion.
Obviously,
before
we
deal
with
the
13
staff
reports
moving
those
you
have
at
nine
o'clock
presently
on
the
17th
9
a.m:
a
10-minute
presentation
from
community
partners,
a
brown
ministries,
chamber
of
commerce
jcc.
I
don't
know
why.
I
guess
this
is
a
permanent
before
we
move
things.
B
Shelby,
if
we
need
to
go
through
the
calendar
to
scrap
some
things,
to
move
them
out
the
way
we'll
do
that
understand
stuff
reports
will
be
moved
out
of
the
way
we
move
it
down
to
on
that
on
that
fifth
thursday,
anything
dealing
with
accommodations
or
or
other
type
of
activities
that
can
be
remotioned
for
a
later
date,
understood
council
members
can
call
those
folks
and
remove
it.
But
the
item
number
one
item
will
be
the
police
chief
march
17
9
a.m.
P
E
And
and
the
other
one,
I
guess,
is
the
vietnam
veterans
of
america
just
we
can,
I
don't
know
who's.
P
E
Also
calendar
a
council
just
so
you
know
at
starting
or
scheduled
for
any
time
after
9
30.
I
presently
see
on
the
calendar
seven
ordinances
of
second
reading,
a
10
30
public
hearing
and
then
they
have,
but
that's
it
for
the
morning.
B
O
E
O
B
O
Mr
chair,
I'd
like
to
move
to
to
create
a
special
call
meeting
on
march
31st
and
move
all
the
staff
reports
from
march
17th.
Second,
thirty.
First
taken.
B
B
Sorry
wrong
club
on
what
the
the
seventh
movie,
those.
O
Items
creating
the
special
meeting
on
the
31st
and
moving
all
the
staff
reporters.
M
M
M
M
N
Miranda,
I've
got
four
emotions,
sir
okay,
mr
vera,
today
well,
I'm
associated
with
my
last
new
friend
motion,
one.
The
planning
commission
asked
me
to
make
these
motions.
I
request.
They
plan
the
commission
to
set
an
adoption
here
for
th
cpa
21-14
for
april
14th,
at
2,
20
22
at
501
and
direct
the
legal
department
to
provide
the
city
clerk
with
the
form
of
notices
for
advertising
the
public
hearing.
Second,.
B
Second
by
mr
may,
miranda,
I'm
mr
citroel
in
favor
all
right
people's
business.
N
N
Would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
request
the
administration
to
permit
an
honor
rari
street
sign
in
recognition
of
the
alleged
legacy
of
phil
alessie
senior,
who
passed
away
on
may
6
2018..
I
think
it's
a
great
idea
and
it's
long
overdue.
Some
may
know
phil
alessi
senior
from
the
110
year
old,
leslie,
bakery
and
others
may
recognize,
based
a
lessee
promotion
that
produced
boxing
cards
around
the
world
and
earn
him
a
second
they're
different
classes
in.
N
This
is
about
promoters,
second
class.
That
doesn't
mean
that
he
second
class,
that
the
notion
is
second
class
inducted
into
the
boxing
hall
of
fame
along
muhammad
ali
side.
Muhammad
ali,
the
bakery
was
founded
in
1912
on
cherry
street
by
phil
alessi's,
senior's
grandfather,
nicola
alessi.
It
moved
to
cypress
street
in
the
90s
and
it's
very
successful
venture.
It
suggested
that
the
memorial
honorary
sign
should
be
on
cyprus
between
havana
and
mcdeal,
but
if
granted
we
will
accept
the
application
of
the
mobility
department.
N
B
I
just
have
one
gentleman:
we've
lost
one
of
our
good
employees
and
coaches.
B
Last
week,
mr
corey
thomasinia
parks
and
recreation
department,
long
time,
coach
of
the
yellow
jackets
long
time
coach,
we
had
the
romeo's
problem.
I
started
that
program.
The
roblox
park,
wildcats
a
couple
of
national
nfl
players
came
out
of
that
program
been
around
a
long
time,
coaching
going
too
soon
going
too
soon
like
to
make
accommodation
for
mr
corey
thomas
senior,
paul
humesly,
for
a
service
to
the
city
of
tampa
parks
records
department.
Further,
the
accommodations
will
be
presented
to
the
family
at
the
services
on
march
5th.
D
B
A
file
second
by
mr
sutra,
all
in
favor
all.