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Yes
good
morning,
mr
chairman
members
of
tampa
city
council,
martin
shelby
city
council
attorney.
If
the
clerk
would
notate
please
for
the
the
record
that
council
member
dig
felder
is
participating
remotely
today.
D
Today
is
tuesday
march
3rd
of
2022,
it's
after
9
00
a.m,
and
we
are
here
at
old
city
hall,
and
this
meeting
of
the
tampa
city
council
is
being
conducted
with
a
live
in
person,
quorum
of
the
city
council,
present
and
city
council
chambers.
However,
in
light
of
the
continuing
covet,
19
government
issued
health
standards
or
guidance
and
effect
members
of
the
public
have
the
ability
to
participate
virtually
through
video
teleconferencing
referred
to
by
florida
statutes
and
rules
as
communications
media
technology.
D
Now
please
note
that
the
public
and
the
citizens
of
tampa
are
able
to
watch,
listen
and
view
this
meeting
on
spectrum
channel
640
frontier
channel
15
and
on
the
web
at
dot.
Gov
forward,
slash
live
stream.
Now
the
members
have
the
members
of
the
public
have
multiple
ways
of
communicating
with
city
council
in
lieu
of
a
personal
appearance,
and
that
is
listed
on
the
notice
of
this
hearing
on
the
city
council's
webpage
at
tampa.gov
forward
slash
city
council.
One
word
also:
the
instructions
are
on
the
city
council's
web
page
as
well.
D
Now,
if
you
speak
remotely
during
cmt,
you
must
pre-register
using
those
instructions.
If
you
don't
have
cmt
or
you
wish
to
come
to
old
city
hall.
On
the
second
floor,
the
city
has
provided
the
opportunity
to
use
communications,
media
technology
at
315,
east
kennedy,
boulevard
and
also
just
know
that
to
participate
in
land
use
and
alcoholic
beverage
hearings
using
cmt
remotely
pre-registration
is
required.
D
If
there's,
I
believe
I
would
ask
that
city
council
waive
the
standing
rules
to
take
take,
in
effect,
the
rules
that
were
set
forth
in
the
notice
of
today's
hearing.
G
D
We
have
some
items
on
the
addendum
and
with
some
items
pulled
earlier
for
the
final
that
are
noted.
D
Is
that
the
only
item
all
right?
Okay?
Are
there
any
other
items
to
be
pulled
any
other
changes
by
council,
okay
and
with
regard
to.
H
Morning,
good
morning,
thanks
to
all
of
you
for
your
well
well
wishes
and
we're
doing
much
better.
Thank
you.
Yeah.
I
pulled
I
pulled
item
I
requested
to
pull
item
42
because
that's
an
item,
it's
a
financial
item,
but
it
addresses
a
lot
of
affordable
housing
issues
and
opportunities,
and
I
just
thought
it
would,
since
the
affordable
housing
crisis
is
one
that
the
community
is
talking
about
quite
a
bit
for
good
reason.
H
I
thought
it
was
a
good
opportunity
for
staff
to
to
state
some
of
the
good
news
and
the
good
things
that
the
city
is
doing.
I
also
had
a
discussion
with
with
gene
duncan
and
her
folks
about
item
83
and
we
have
agreed-
and
I
think
she
put
it
in
a
memo
today
to
a
two-week
extension
for
83..
So
whenever
and
however,
you
want
to
handle
that,
I
think
we're
in
agreement
with
staff.
C
D
B
Yes,
we
are
in
agreement
with
mr
ding
felder.
J
Councilman
dingfelder
to
continue
this
item
for
two
weeks,
so
we
can
address
some
of
his
recommendations.
C
C
K
Mr
chair
I'd
also
like
to
continue
number
90
to
march.
What
do
you
say
march,
17
yeah.
K
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C
I
did
ask
chief
bennett
to
talk
about
where
we
had
with
covert
and
the
possibilities
council
opening
it
back
up
to
the
public.
I
know
somebody
and
he's
gonna
get
information
about
what
other
entities
are
doing
and
see
if
we
can
get
the
public
back
in
now.
I
think
we
kind
of
everyone
stop
kind
of
wearing
mask
a
little
bit
now
so
he'll
give
us
an
update
on
that
item.
Number
83
that
was
continued.
C
C
D
C
You're
good
with
that,
sir
okay
lead
staff
on
that
could.
K
I
could
I
just
in
cause:
we
do
do
a
one
motion.
All
these
on
the
number
84.
I
did
ask
staff
to
ask
for
white
reimer's
the
sustainability
director's
opinion
on
it.
It
doesn't
affect
the
vote,
but
I
just
think
that
do
you.
K
E
Yes,
sir,
I
I'd
emailed
parks
and
recreation
on
this
issue
yesterday
and
I
should
have
a
response
today
in
in
anticipation
and
good
faith
of
that
response.
I'm
fine
with
no
appearance
today.
I
don't
think
there's
any
need
for
that.
However,
I
would
like
to
motion
if
I
may,
because
the
the
memo
did
talk
to
some
more
time
needed
and
and
that's
fine.
I
just
want
to
keep
this
on
the
front
burner
to
have
this
motion
remade,
if
I
may
make
the
motion.
E
Thank
you,
sir,
to
have
this
come
back
to
us
on
the
update
on
the
forest
hills,
recreation
center
and
in
community
park
expansion
to
come
back
to
us
in
the
first
available
week
in
june.
If
I
may,
if
that
would
be
alright.
C
June,
2nd,
I
think
miss
vieira
has
made
a
motion
to
send
by
mrs
matascalco
all
in
favor
aye
opposed
mostly
granted
june,
2nd
87th.
C
Thank
you
all
right,
so
we'll
move
on
with
that.
This
afternoon
it's
been
done.
85
staff
report,
mr
dingfield,
mr
alcor.
What
number
88.
D
A
H
H
It
spoke
to
the
south,
tampa
lamb,
lamb
avenue
project
as
a
seven
million
dollar
project
that
looked
like
it
was
going
forward,
and
I
brought
that
to
the
attention
of
mr
b
day
and-
and
he
said
that
was
just
a
mistake
and
that
he
submitted
a
memo
yesterday,
correcting
that
and
saying
that
the
lamb
avenue
project
was
was
on
hold,
was
being
paused
for
reevaluation,
so
I
thought
and
that
that's
responsive
to
the
sunset
park
community
that
had
great
concerns
about
that
project.
H
C
all
right,
we'll
get
back
to
number
88.
That
was
your
emotion
in
the
housing
study.
H
I
don't
know
if
there's
been
a
memo
on
that.
If
not,
I
would
like
to
have
staff
discuss
that
today.
All.
C
C
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N
B
O
M
How
you
doing-
and
I
want
to
say
thank
you-
councilman
goose-
for
announcing
my
birthday
party
here
on
march
9th
17th
at
9
00
a.m
by
moving
item
89
that
I
was
here
to
talk
about
today.
But
it's
been
moved
to
my
birthday.
So
I'm
going
to
be
over
here
at
9am
on
my
birthday,
and
I
appreciate
the
party
you're
going
to
throw
for
me.
I'm
here
to
talk
about
the
documents
that
come
out
from
the
legal
opinion
from
the
gina.
M
Grimes
did
a
good
job
master
did
a
good
job,
but
they
didn't
cut
everything
and
I'm
here
to
give
a
legal
argument
that
the
hannah
design
bill
negotiation
between
the
city
of
tampa
and
dpr
needed
a
design
criteria
package
to
enter
into
in
order
for
them
to
have
a
negotiated
contract
for
this
design
bill
and
have
a
new
one
design
criteria
package
and
not
6.60,
because,
according
to
the
legal
department,
a
new
design
criteria
packet
was
not
required
for
the
project.
M
Really.
What
based
on
what
law
or
what
executive
order
that
a
mayor
has
issued.
So
I
don't
find
anything
there
and
the
opinion
did
not
cover
the
fraudulent
2015
contract
documents,
namely
md
10
and
20..
There
was
nothing
in
here
mentioned
about
those
fraudulent
documents.
In
my
questions
and
basically
what
we
did
in
need
is
an
attorney.
General
opinion
is
what
I
think
now
that
we
got
the
city
city
attorney's
opinion.
M
For
example,
it
says
the
design
criteria
package
in
the
statute
is
used
to
permit
an
agency
to
enter
into
a
negotiated
bill
contract
so
how
we
enter
into
a
contract,
and
we
don't
have
a
design
criteria
package
unless
they're
trying
to
say
this
is
a
continuing
contract.
We
can
have
a
continuing
contract.
Do
that.
M
Let
me
just
give
you
some
case
and
even
in
the
city's
mayor's
executive
order,
ec
executive
order,
96
18-
I
don't
know
if
you
about
that
didn't
mention
anything
in
this-
about
the
mass
executive
order,
which
is
the
administrative
procedures
for
design
build,
and
it
says
the
same
thing
there
about
a
design
criteria.
Package
is
required
and
also
there's
a
case
in
coral
gables
attorney
general
opinion.
2007-12.
M
That
talks
about
opinion
is
to
negotiate
each
phase
of
multiface
project.
That's
been
awarded
to
a
construction
manager.
Risk
program
does
not
comply
with
plain
language
at
internet
287-55,
then
there's
case
law,
and
they
can
look
this
up.
This
is
our
legal
argument.
The
argument
city
of
lynn,
haven
versus
bay
city
council
registered
architects.
It's
528
southern
second
1244
1988,
where
it's
talking
about
appeal
from
an
order
and
joining
a
pilot
from
awarding
a
construction
contract
and
expanding
public
forums
on
a
public
project.
C
M
P
Right
good
morning,
cherry
goods,
fellow
council
members,
my
name
is
sean
mcdonald
with
the
west
central
florida
labor
council,
representing
over
a
hundred
thousand
working
families,
I'm
here
to
speak
on
item
number
89,
and
we
submitted
a
document
back
in
february
expressing
our
concerns
with
dpr
and
the
hannah
avenue
project
and
the
apprenticeship
ordinance
that
this
council
passed
unanimously
on.
That
was
some
concerns
and
some
questions
we
had
the
concerns
related
to
one
of
the
contracts
that
was
awarded
to
a
steel
erector.
P
P
Dpr's
apprenticeship
program
is
currently
being
reviewed
by
the
city
staff
to
ensure
that
it
complies
with
the
city's
requirements
and
that
it
will
be
consistent
with
the
intent
of
the
city's
apprenticeship
ordinance
prior
to
commencement
of
the
construction
project.
Before
I
go
any
further
section,
26.5-214.
P
P
That
shows
that
you
are
accredited
with
the
state,
and
that
is
the
requirement
of
the
apprenticeship
ordinance.
So
I'm
a
little
confused
as
to
what's
taking
so
long
and
as
to
why
it's
being
done
now,
it
seems
to
me
like
we
can
get
a
contractor
in
there.
That
would
abide
by
the
ordinance
and
be
able
to
produce
this
document
and
dpr
dpr
cell
performs
concrete.
They
perform
doors
and
frames,
and
that
falls
under
carpentry
and
both
those
occupations
are
provided
for
by
the
florida
department
of
education.
P
So
whatever
kind
of
apprenticeship
programs
they're
trying
to
push
would
be
not
part
of
the
florida
department
of
education
approved
apprenticeship
program,
so
they
would
not
be
in
compliance
with
the
apprenticeship
ordinance.
Also.
It
says
that
once
work
commences,
I
was
there
this
morning,
and
this
is
a
picture
that
I
took.
P
Obviously
you
can
see
works
commencing
those
are
operating
engineers
or
what
would
be
operating
engineers
once
again,
an
apprenticeable
occupation
through
the
florida
department
of
education.
So
it
seems
like
we're
just
gonna
kick
the
can
down
the
road
until
this
job's
finished.
I've
been
I've
been
down
this
road
before
seen
it
happen
across
the
bay.
E
E
I
appreciate
it
and
I
never
comment
during
public
comment,
but
I
I
appreciate
y'all
coming
here.
I
I
know
we're
all
going
to
look
into
this,
especially
with
this
photograph
that
was
given,
because
this
hannah
street
project
is
a
once-in-a-lifetime
opportunity
just
in
time
for
the
apprenticeship
ordinance
to
invest
functionally
millions
of
dollars
in
in
apprenticeships
for
young
people,
so
we're
gonna
make
sure
I
don't
wanna.
E
I
wanna
be
careful,
given
the
the
the
memo
on
legal
issues,
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
on
on
saying
anything
substantively
publicly,
but
just
that
of
an
abundance
of
caution,
but
also
just
wanted
to
say
our
condolences
for
the
passing
of
todd
vega
recently
I
know
a
friend
to
many
of
y'all
and
I'll
be
doing
a
commendation
in
his
name
later
on,
so
just
wanted
to
give
my
sincere
sympathies
in
that
regard.
Thank
you,
sir.
K
I'm
gonna
get
an
outside
attorney.
To
give
me
some
advice
on
the
memo
that
was
sent
a
couple
days
ago,
but.
D
K
Me
just
say
my
my
interpretation
of
the
memo
is
that
we're
not
allowed
to
talk
about
item
the
substance
of
item
number
90,
but
not
that
we're
not
allowed
to
talk
about
item
number
89
and
you
all
have
to
seek
your
own
counsel
on
that.
But
I
I'm
going
to
get
outside
counsel
to
give
me
advice
on
whether
they
agree
with
the
memo.
But
I
don't
think
we
can
we're
not
allowed
to
talk
about
the
topic
at
all.
Just
not
just
as
I
interpreted
just
the
substance
of
item
numbers.
C
Mr
shelby
look
at
that
because
I
have
an
issue
with
with
the
memo,
as
it
relates
to
not
being
able
to
bring
this
to
the
public
in
reference
to
the
situation.
The
public's
asking
information
on
so
I'm
going
to
add
mr
shelby
in
a
later
date.
Research
that
I
understand
the
city
attorney
has
the
opposite
opinion
and
gives
a
say
on
the
city,
but
we
need
our
council
to
be
able
to
research
what
this
council
can
do,
what
we
can
do
so
the
public
knows
that
we're
doing
our
job
and
that's.
K
Said
there
are,
there
are
a
lot
of
holes
in
both
memos
that
were
sent
to
us
and
I'm
going
to
be
asking
for
documents
to
back
up
some
of
the
statements
that
were
made.
C
C
Showed
me
I'm
not
worried
about
legal
recruitment.
I'm
worried
about
worry
about
you,
yes,
being
empowered
to
do
your
job
for
this
council.
Your
job
is
to
be
empowered,
this
council,
to
give
us
recommendations,
sir,
to
do
research,
sir,
and
to
tell
us
what
we
can
do
and
what
we
can't
do
from
that
point.
C
If
legal
comes
down
and
said,
mr
shelby,
you
are
in
contrast
of
what
we're
saying,
then
that's
a
fight
that
we'll
deal
with
legal
and
you
on,
but
your
job,
sir,
and
I'm
going
to
make
it
clear
to
you,
sir,
and
close
the
question
that
your
job
is
to
empower
this
council
to
do
our
job
regardless.
It's
not
about
you
making
friends
or
trying
to
be
nice
with
people
or
any
of
that.
Your
job
is
solely
to
research,
give
us
the
correct
information
or
interpretation
that
you
believe
and
if
legal
doesn't
believe
in
interpretation.
C
K
And
I
just
want
to
add
we're
not
elected,
to
make
anybody
politically
happy.
Our
job
is
to
protect
the
public
and
to
represent
the
public
and
and
when
we
have
a
shortage
of
money
for
potholes,
and
we
have
a
shortage
of
money
for
sidewalks
and
the
things
the
public
wants.
It's
our
responsibility
to
make
sure
that
we
ask
questions
and
it
whatever
the
political
fallout
of
asking
questions,
it's
our
duty
in
representing
the
public
to
ask
the
question.
Thank
you.
E
You
and-
and
I
and
I
just
wanted
to
say
without
opening
up
any
can
of
words,
which
I
don't
think
at
least
from
what
I
said.
Anything
was
opened
up
that
my
again,
my
only
statement
was
making
sure
that
an
ordinance
is
complied
with,
but
nothing
on
any
of
the
issues
addressed
in
89
and
90
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge
and
representation
at
all
and
things
that
I
think
have
been
said
before
at
city
council.
So
just
just
to
make
that
abundantly.
C
So
upset
when
we
try
to
bring
this
this
this
political
stuff
into
this
house,
this
house
is
responsible
for
the
people's
money,
they're
responsible
for
answers
to
the
people,
and
I
get
upset
time
and
time
again.
We
we
we
just
go
on
eggshells.
I
try
to
put
things
under
the
rug
and
this
council
is
left
out
on
times
and
on
interpretations
and
on
all
kinds
of
issues.
C
We're
not
going
to
make
friends
we're
not
going
to
make
people
happy.
Sometimes
we're
not
going
to
make
the
administration
happy,
but
our
job
is
to
legislate
and
not
be
afraid
of
what
the
political
father
it
is.
It
is
what
it
is
and
I've
just
given
mr
shelby
instructions
and
I'm
just
clear
on
that.
He
you
you're
empowered
to
do
a
job,
be
our
attorney
sir,
and
we'll
deal
with
the
rest
as
it
may
fall.
Anyone
else
on
this
subject
we're
moving.
A
H
You're
recognized,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
We've
already
the
motion.
The
motion
was
already
made
to
continue
that
you
know
that
item
to
march
and-
and
I
voted
in
support
of
that-
I
just
want
to
make
it
clear
that
when
we
come
back
in
march,
I
agree
with
legal
staff
that
we
should
not
just
discuss
the
possibility
of
rescinding
the
contract
or
anything
like
that.
I
agree
with
legal
staff,
I'm
I'm
familiar
with
the
case
law.
They
cited
that
that
we
are
that
that
horse
is
out
of
that
barn.
H
However,
on
march
17th
from
a
matter
of
policy,
we
need
to
continue
having
these
discussions
about
the
apprenticeship
program
as
it
relates
to
hannah,
which
is
what
mr
vieira
was
just
talking
about.
We
need
to
have
discussions
about
ensuring
the
the
35
wmv
and
any
other
policy
discussions
related
to
this
100
million
dollar
project.
H
So
so
I
I
I'm
probably
speaking
more
to
to
staff
and
the
legal
staff
right
this
second
to
just
say
that
that,
while
I
agree
with
them
on
the
issue
on
the
other
legal
issue,
that,
from
a
policy
perspective,
you
know
don't
tie
council's
hands
in
regard
to
march
17th
of
the
discussion
of
these
other
very
important
policy
issues
that
were
raised
by
the
the
community
and
the
gentleman
who
spoke
earlier
too.
Thank
you,
mr
children.
You.
Q
Good
morning
what
I
stepped
into
it
at
the
right
time,
connie
burton
we
just
simply
can't
keep
kicking
the
can
down
the
road,
and
I
really
want
to
appreciate
the
body's
decisions
this
morning
that
you
are
there
to
represent
the
interest
of
your
constituents
and
what
I
do
know
not
being
an
attorney
is
that
that
hannah
project
is
moving
without
full
participation
and
support
of
this
community.
Q
We
do
not
see
apprentice
programs
down
there.
We
do
not
even
see
people
from
that
predominant
community
being
able
to
go
up
and
get
a
job,
so
a
project
that
moved
from
one
price
point
to
now.
This
humongous
price
point
of
over
a
hundred
million
dollars
is
not
benefiting
the
african
community.
That's
number
one,
and
I
hope
that
people
that
is
committed
to
apprenticeship
programs
for
our
community.
That
is
just
not
talking
points
from
that
council
that
you
make
people
do
what's
the
right
thing.
Q
Q
In
this
document
that
I
didn't
write
up,
two
persons
was
considered
for
a
project
selection
that
was
myself
and
miss
robin
donaldson.
I
can't
speak
for
miss
donaldson
this
morning,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
I
have
gotten
nowhere.
Q
It
has
just
been
all
talk.
It
has
all
just
been
a
smoking
screen
that,
but
what
we
do
see
is
developers
inside
of
the
east
tampa
community
building,
that's
benefiting
a
financial
revenue
for
the
other
side,
while
people
in
our
community
that
need
housing
solution,
whether
it
is
modular
homes,
container
homes,
tiny
homes.
Q
We
have
not
been
able
to
make
any
traction,
and
I
am
hoping
that
from
the
last
week
conversation
when
people
was
here
telling
you
that,
even
with
an
income
of
twelve
hundred
dollars
a
month,
they
are
still
not
able
to
break
even
yes,
we're
headed
toward
a
political
season,
and
I
hear
you
say
this
all
the
time,
and
I
respect
this
coming
you
coming
from
you
counseling
google,
that
it
don't
matter
if
the
people
vote
again
for
whomever,
but
we
are
paying
attention
and
we
want
solution
toward
our
crisis
now
across
the
board.
Thank
you.
N
N
What
we
have
is
bullies
and
tyrants
and
we
have
no
transparency
and
no
accountability
and
I've
been
saying
that
for
30
some
years,
no
accountability,
no
transparency
and
you
have
a
bunch
of
cowards.
You
have
men,
and
sometimes
women
up
there
that
act
like
they're,
not
representative,
of
what
the
electorate
put
them
there
to
do.
N
They
don't
really
represent
their
constituency
in
any
way
whatsoever.
We
have
bicycle,
stops,
never
been
handled,
we
have
illegal,
searching
seizures,
never
been
handled.
We
have
a
hundred
and
eight
million
dollar
project.
That's
going
on
no
transparency.
N
N
We
have
a
mayor,
that's
supposed
to
be
here
today
to
come
before
the
city
council
to
discuss
108
million
project.
That's
going
on
inside
the
african
community,
but
no
african
jobs,
no
african
contractors,
not
our
right
percentage
anyway.
We
should
get
at
least
26
of
it,
but
once
again,
no
accountability
and
these
things
are
just
going
on
and
on
and
on
that
have
to
stop
and
the
the
look
like
the
general
feel
is
hey.
We
can
bully
people,
we
seen
it
happen.
N
It
shouldn't
be
that
way
you
shouldn't
be
able
to
bully
children
and
get
away
with
it.
Somebody
have
to
respond
to
that
and
I
seen
a
lot
of
minority
children
on
that
stage.
Just
call
the
children
stupid
to
their
faces
and
embarrassingly
made
them,
take
their
mask
off
of
some
of
the
move
off
the
stage.
N
N
So
they
really
should
call
out
middleton
high
school
to
come
down
here
and
represent
it
one
way
or
another
to
show
them
how,
especially
the
electorate
should
give
them
respect,
and
what
I
want
to
say
to
the
governor
is
you're
trying
to
get
people
to
take
their
mask
off.
What
we
would
like
you
to
see,
if
you
say,
mask,
isn't
necessary
or
mandatory
or
whatsoever,
and
if
it
looks
stupid,
we
think
that
wife
of
yours
looks
stupid
with
a
bra
on
so
next
time.
She
get
on
stage,
have.
J
Good
morning,
gentlemen,
came
down
to
see
you
in
person,
but
yet
you're
upstairs
affordable
housing.
Oh
wait!
Now
I
have
your
attention:
affordable
housing
can't
be
cured
with
a
band-aid
as
much
as
we
would
like
for
it
to
affordable
housing
needs
to
be
addressed
in
our
code
through
the
process
and
planning
in
2020,
the
planning
department
was
created,
randy,
goers
retired
in
the
last
few
months,
with
just
a
handful
of
staff
and
a
new
head
of
our
department.
Who,
in
my
opinion,
is
amazing.
J
I'd
like
to
point
out
that
the
planning
department
was
completely
ignored
for
the
last
20
years,
while
our
city
grew
by
approximately
25
percent.
Our
land
use
was
established
in
1978,
before
cell
phones,
before
personal
computers
and
before
microwave
popcorn.
We
still
have
zoning
based
on
the
era
of
the
gremlin
being
a
popular
ride.
J
J
It
takes
people
to
write
the
code
as
the
changes
are
demanded
by
the
council
by
the
mayor
and
by
the
citizens
of
tampa
from
my
research.
A
lot
of
what
is
in
the
current
code
was
brought
by
developers
and
folks
who
made
money
from
the
changes.
Why
is
that
city
council
voted
to
stop
that
process?
Thank
you,
but
we
must
address
the
root
of
the
problem.
We
can't
drag
this
on
like
the
little
engine
that
could
it's
time
to
step
up
the
process
and
fixing
this
problem.
I'd
argue
wait
a
minute.
J
Why
not
do
the
same
for
affordable
housing
hire
the
people
to
change
the
code?
It
should
not
be
written
by
the
citizens.
It
should
be
written
by
the
professional
city
staff.
We
must
hire
the
staff
to
support
the
process
necessary
to
allow
the
community
to
build
with
responsible
density
like
the
missing
middle,
small-scale,
multi-family
housing
that
fits
into
existing
neighborhoods.
It
can
be
done.
You
just
have
to
give
the
people
who
know
how
to
do
it.
The
help
to
do
it.
J
Every
single
person
under
miss
nicole
travis's
department
has
always
been
the
consummate
professional,
but
over
and
over
again
they
are
up
to
their
noses
in
work.
They
can't
stop
playing
catch
up
to
get
ahead.
The
planning
department
can't
plan
because
they've
got
their
fingers
in
the
dike
it
is.
It
is
time
to
quit
working
on
the
1978
gremlin
and
hire
folks
to
create
the
new
escalade
of
a
plan
to
address
the
needs
of
the
people
in
the
city
to
embrace
the
city
as
we
have
now,
please.
C
B
B
This
is
the
legislative
body.
She
is
the
executor,
but
you
are
the
legislative
body
and
she
did
not
bring
this
to
the
council.
It
goes
against
our
city
charter.
B
B
So
I'm
you
know,
I
don't
know
how
this
is
happening:
law
enforce
law
enforcement,
I
have
a
law
enforcement
brother
and
then
I
have
I
have
here
that
law
enforcement
once
you've
been
arrested.
You
cannot
be
certified
as
a
police
officer
as
a
law
enforcement
officer.
You
cannot
be
certified,
so
I'm
just
against
this
appointment.
I
am
against
the
breaking
of
the
law.
B
I
mean
we're
talking
about
the
city
charter,
that
is
our
laws,
and
if
the
mayor
of
the
city
of
tampa
can
break
our
laws
and
sweep
things
under
the
rug,
I
don't
know
where
we
are,
and
this
is
uncalled
for.
It's
unacceptable
and
also,
I
believe
that
mary
o'connor,
she
retired
in
2016
she
was
doing
other
work.
We
have
delgado
who
was
appointing
acting
chief
and
has
a
clean
record,
and
he
should
receive
that
that
appointment
to
the
chief
also
he's
a
minority.
B
C
C
A
B
Good
morning,
chairman
goods,
members
of
council
item
number
one
for
you
this
morning,
are
some
changes
to
chapter
5,
which
is
our
building
code
in
the
city
city
ordinances.
These
are
legislative
updates
and
predominantly
handle
local
governments
having
electronic
permits,
submittal,
which
I
know
you
all
are
aware.
We
already
do
with
our
seller
system
and
then
also
the
potential
to
conduct
virtual
inspections.
E
Pleasure
I'm
moving
oren's
being
presented
for
first
reading
consideration
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
tampa
florida,
making
revisions,
the
city
of
tampa
code
of
ordinances,
chapter
five
building
code,
amending
section,
5-105.3
application
for
a
permit
amending
section,
5-105.3.
H
A
D
D
C
H
D
G
H
Yeah
and-
and
in
that
regard
mr
shelby,
I
might
just
not
participate
in
the
in
the
second
readings.
You
know
I'm
not
feeling
100,
but
I'm
I'm
doing
the
best.
I
can.
D
D
C
All
right
we're
always
what
we
can
do,
not
what
we
can't
do.
We
can't
appreciate
you
all
right
we're
going
to
move
on
mr
troll,
I'm
fine
stretching
okay,
sir.
H
F
C
Mr
maniscalco
parks
and
recreation
8-26,
sir
thank.
F
A
K
H
O
C
All
right
public
works,
mr
dingfield,
if
not
I'll
help
mr
carlson
do,
if
you
not
up
to
it,.
K
Yes,
I'd
like
to
move
27
through
40,
including
substitute
for
number
37..
Second,.
C
Second,
mr
mezcalco
rocco.
B
A
C
Central
mr
miranda's,
not
here.
F
C
What
mr
madison
ii
at
rocco.
B
C
F
E
H
A
C
A
B
F
Set
item
number
69
to
be
scheduled
for
april
21
2022
at
1,
30
pm,
that's
arc
21-488-c.
C
F
K
All
right
could
I
just
so.
This
morning
I
tried
to
reach
the
legal
department
regarding
items:
number
71,
77
and
78,
and.
G
K
The
only
way
I
could
connect
with
them
now
to
get
a
legal
opinion
is
to
step
out
of
the
room
item
number
71.
I
I
voted
on,
but
then
subsequently
for
a
couple
weeks,
I
abstained.
But
now,
as
of
last
week,
my
other
outside
attorney
said
that,
because
I've
submitted
all
the
responses
to
the
public
records
requests
and
the
subpoenas
that
I'm
cleared
to
vote
on
it
and
then
item
number
77
and
78,
I
had
previously
abstained.
But
now
my
outside
attorney
has
cleared
me
to
vote
on
them.
K
Q
Staff
has
already
done
the
initial
presentation
regarding
item
number
70,
which
is
to
transfer
the
authority
to
enforce
building
permits,
violations
from
the
department
of
code
enforcement
to
construction
services.
C
All
right
any
questions
for
legal
staff.
B
And
growth
management-
if
I
can
just
add
to
that
for
a
moment,
this
is
the
creation
of
the
construction
activity,
compliance
team
and
the
authorization
coming
from
code
enforcement
for
certain
activities
coming
to
the
building
official
in
order
to
implement
that
new
team
and
jc
hutchinson
is
flying
in
behind
me
on
that
matter.
Right
now,
if
you
have
any
other
questions.
C
That
being
said,
anyone
in
the
public
speaking
insider
second
floor.
B
C
F
You
very
much,
mr
chairman.
It
would
be
my
pleasure
I
have
an
ordinance
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption
and
ordinance
of
the
city
of
tampa
florida
amending
city
of
tampa
code
of
ordinances,
transferring
the
authority
to
enforce
certain
building,
permit
violations
from
the
department
of
code
enforcement
to
the
construction
services,
division,
amending
section,
5-104.3.1
authority,
amending
section,
9-2
definitions,
amending
section,
19-3
definitions,
amending
section,
19-4,
department
of
code
enforcement
duties
and
scope
of
authority
of
the
director
providing
for
severability,
providing
for
repeal
of
all
ordinances
and
conflict,
providing
an
effective
date.
H
F
A
F
Q
Good
morning,
chairman,
goose
and
city
council
lashawn
dock
here
with
city
planning
council
item
number
71
is
a
second
reading.
This
is
a
privately
initiated
text
amendment
the
applicant
is
steve
miccolini
and
john
lum,
and
this
item
is
before
you
again
as
a
reminder
counselor
for
second
reading
and
adoption.
We
have
presentation
at
first
reading,
I'm
available.
If
you
have
any
questions.
Q
I
B
Councilman
carlson:
this
is
a
a
legislative
matter,
so
the
the
scope
of
review
or
standard
of
review
is
different
than
in
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding,
and
I,
based
on
the
information
I
have
to
date.
I
see
no
basis
or
reason
that
you
would
have
to
recuse
yourself.
Nor
has
the
applicant
made
that
request.
Okay,.
O
O
Not
a
quasi,
oh
I'm.
Sorry,
that's
right!
Legislatively!
Okay!
Basically,
there's
there's
four
amendments
that
are
being
requested
that
was
passed
previously
by
the
city
council.
It
had
a
recommendation
from
the
planning
commission
board,
as
well
as
the
planning
commission
staff
and
the
city
staff.
Regarding
these
changes.
There
are
four
changes.
One
establishes
35
feet
as
a
standard
for
residential
construction,
the
other
one
eliminates
visitor
parking
for
duplexes.
O
The
third
one
allows
for
courtyard
style
development
and
the
fourth
one
standardizes
a
setback
with
multi-family
and
to
15
feet,
and
I
I
presented
with
to
you
previously
the
very
complicated
formula.
That's
currently
in
the
code,
and
this
removes
that
calculation
and
sets
a
standard
separation
between
buildings.
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have.
C
I'm
hoping
that
with
us
how
we
vote
on
this,
I'm
hoping
that
it
doesn't
come
back
to
bite
us
a
little
bit
and
I
was
looking
at
some
other
cities
and
saint
pete
being
one
and
how
they
kind
of
changed
their
code.
So
I'm
hoping
that
what
we're
doing
does
not
hurt
us
in
the
long
run
as
it
relates
to
development
inside
of
communities.
K
I
I
spoke
with
miss
grimes
city
attorney
a
couple
days
ago,
and
she
advised
me
on
cases
like
this.
I
was
in
the
minority
voting
no,
but
that
I
should
just
at
least
state
briefly
my
reasons,
and
we
heard
substantial
feedback
and
evidence
from
the
community
regarding
these
changes
that
they
were
opposed
to
it
and
that
they
would
rather
deal
with
these
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
So,
just
just
as
an
explanation
for
why
I
voted
no.
Thank
you,
john.
C
H
Thank
you.
I
just
want
to
echo
the
comments
of
mr
carlson.
There
were
two
or
three
of
these
items
that
I
could
support,
but
there
was
one
that
I
couldn't
and
since
they
all
bundled
together,
I
can't
support
the
legislative
change.
So
that's
the
I
will
not
be
supporting
this
today.
O
O
In
the
case
of
the
setbacks
between
residential
structures,
that's
a
very
complicated
process
and
calculation,
and
we,
I
think
that
I
testified
previously,
that
we
had
three
different
engineers
and
architects.
Look
at
this
calculation.
I
can
put
it
on
the
screen
for
you,
and
none
of
them
came
up
with
the
same
number.
O
It's
it's
a
very
complicated
process
where
you
are
multiplying
the
length
times
the
height
and
the
the
width
of
the
buildings
to
come
up
with
a
setback.
So
in
working
with
staff,
they
determined
that
15
feet
was
reasonable
for
multi-family
and
and
that's
why
we
came
up
with
with
that
particular
dimension,
with
respect
to
eliminating
a
visitor
parking
space
for
a
duplex
it
it
requires.
O
You,
then,
that
you
have
to
seek
waivers
for
landscaping
and
green
space
when
it's
very
difficult
to
figure
out
who
controls
the
parking
space
for
a
duplex
with
respect
to
the
request
for
changing
the
height
from
30
feet
to
35
feet.
O
But
it
continues
to
add
steps
to
this,
so
these
have
been
refined
from
a
number
of
previously
requested
initiatives
and
we're
now
down
to
the
last
four
which
are
critical
to
helping
to
streamline
the
development
process.
We
would
respectfully
request
your
approval
on
second
reading
and
again
the
planning
commission
found
it
to
be
consistent
and
recommended
it.
O
The
planning
commission
staff
did
as
well
as
well
as
a
city
staff
supporting
this
and
recommending
it's
for
adoption.
I
mean
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
you
can
direct
your
questions
to
staff
and
ask
them
as
well
to
verify
what
I've
said
is
accurate.
I
would
appreciate
your
consideration
and
approval
for
this.
These
requested
changes.
G
J
Come
over
here
either
good
morning
again,
gentlemen,
I
set
up
you.
I
sent
upstairs
some
package
just
now,
because
I
figured
I'd,
get
to
go
home
and
do
this
from
home.
I
have
a
little
bit
of
pictures
for
you
that
I'd
like
for
you
to
see.
This
is
one
of
my
friends
houses.
J
J
J
Impact
I'm
sorry.
I
really
had
no
intention
of
speaking
right
now
secondary
here's,
a
duplex
that
has
deficient
driveways,
okay,
there's
no
sidewalk
out
front.
This
was
just
built
in
the
last
year.
I
would
also
like
to
point
out
these
are
driveways
from
my
actual
neighborhood.
J
I
live
in
a
community
with
12
single-family
homes
and
40
and
32
duplexes.
You
see
that
in
none
of
these
situations
are
they
able
to
efficiently
park
in
their
driveways.
So
this
is
what
we
have
in
my
neighborhood.
We
have
homeowners
who
are
parked
on
the
street
and
all
four
of
these
cars,
three
of
the
four
of
them.
The
people
have
no
car
in
their
driveway
because
they
don't
feel
comfortable
parking
in
their
driveway
because
their
their
spouse
or
neighbor
can't
get
in
and
out
of
the
property.
J
I
think
these
and
other
issues
and,
as
I
was
finishing
up
I'll
finish
up
my
speech,
real
quick,
it's
time
for
us
to
move
into
the
21st
century,
with
our
planning
and
we've
got
to
go
back
and
look
at
the
codes,
and
these
codes
should
not
be
rewritten
by
people
who
make
money
off
of
the
changes.
They
should
be
written
by
the
professionals
that
are
hired
and
work
for
the
city
and
do
not
have
the
personal
bias
impacted
as
they
are
in
these
pitas.
Thank
you.
C
L
Hi,
I
thought
I'd
have
more
time
to
come
down
and
speak
in
person.
I
didn't
know
this
would
come
up
quite
this
early.
My
name
is
caroline
bennett,
I'm
a
lifelong
tampa
resident.
We
need
city
staff
to
show
us
examples
of
what
happens
with
the
curtin
code
and
what
would
happen
with
this
new
code.
Without
that
I
don't
know
what
all
the
ramifications
are,
and
neither
do
you
in
lots
of
neighborhoods,
including
mine,
but
mansions,
built
to
the
maximum
height
of
35
feet
are
looming
over
their
neighbors.
L
L
L
In
addition,
it's
becoming
more
common
to
build
a
flat
roof
with
the
entertainment
areas
on
top
with
outdoor
kitchens
etc.
So
the
neighbors
end
up
with
a
40-foot
wall
with
a
party
on
top
looking
down
on
them.
This
is
just
one
possible
negative
result.
How
many
more
are
there?
Do
they
want
the
extra
five
feet,
so
they
can
have
12-foot
ceilings
and
other
things
that
make
this
housing
this
priced
out
of
reach
for
even
more
people.
Will
these
super
late
elite
super
expensive
units
help
our
housing
crisis?
L
Many
indies
industry
professionals
think
it
will
make
it
worse.
You
and
I
need
a
thorough
evaluation
of
this
change.
If
you
watch
the
public
meetings
that
were
held,
you
will
see
that
city
staff
did
not
show
us
examples
of
what
happens
with
the
current
code
and
what
would
happen
with
this
new
code.
The
applicants
answered
the
questions,
not
staff.
L
That
is
the
biggest
flaw
with
these
petas,
and
it
is
why
you
got
rid
of
them.
Staff
does
not
have
time,
nor
should
they
put
it,
be
put
into
the
position
of
defending
these
changes.
So
we
end
up
with
a
mystery
box
of
changes
that
will
only
be
unwrapped
after
years
of
building
to
the
new
code
and
the
city's
only
response
can
be
oops.
L
I
heard
several
people
at
the
public
meeting
raise
questions
about
the
duplex
parking.
The
driveway
is
not
long
enough.
The
visitor
parking
is
provided
for
by
the
garage
and
driveway,
but
there
are
several
examples
of
deficient
driveways.
This
week
I
went
to
a
meeting
in
tampa
heights
about
a
proposed
new
grocery
store.
L
There
were
people
from
six
or
seven
nearby
neighborhoods.
The
vast
majority
were
unhappy
with
the
design
because
it
was
not
an
urban
design.
This
amendment
to
have
front
doors
facing
a
courtyard
is
not
an
urban
design.
This
council
recently
approved
a
porch
amendment
to
build
a
sense
of
community
through
natural
interaction,
front
entryways
with
porches
and
stoops
face
the
sidewalk,
encourage
it.
These
calculations
between
buildings
were
supposed
to
make
more
distance
for
higher
buildings
at
15
feet.
You
could
end
up
creating
canyons.
L
C
Thank
you.
Any
questions
for
the
lady
staff.
C
I
guess:
do
we
have
anybody,
mr
stocks,
listening
to
the
comments.
L
C
Q
Yes,
what
I'd
like
to
do,
if
I
may
lashonda
city
planning
council,
is
to
make
a
couple
of
points
of
clarification
regarding
the
request.
So,
as
you
know,
it
is
a
privately
initiated
request.
There
were
four
items
that
were
requested
for
change
that
is
brought
before
you
today
for
second
reading,
so
the
first
regarding
the
height
currently
in
the
code
in
the
arm
24,
the
maximum
height
allowed,
is
at
60
feet
at
30
feet.
Q
You
can
begin
your
step
back
in
height
you
can
you
increase
your
yard
by
one
foot
for
every
foot,
viewer
increase
your
height
over
30
feet.
What
the
applicant
is
requesting
is
that
35
foot
at
the
height-
that
is
the
point
at
which
the
increase
would
occur
versus
the
30
foot,
so
the
pictures
are
shown
of
just
height
in
general
structures
that
have
height
in
general
staff
reviewed
it
staff
did
not
have
a
concern
when
you
look
at
the
other
residential
districts
on
the
zoning
table
and
the
height
required.
Q
Q
The
applicant
is
requesting
to
eliminate
the
visitor
parking
and
that's
on
the
semi
attached
and
staff
did
not
have
a
concern
with
that.
Initially,
when
the
request
was
submitted,
it
was
to
eliminate
visitor
parking
in
other
areas
of
the
city
also
affecting
other
uses,
but
through
working
with
staff
and
considering
staff's
comments
and
the
public's
comments.
The
applicant
amended
the
request
to
only
apply
to
single
family
attached.
Q
What
happens?
Is
you
have
a
visitor
space,
provided
you
have
two
units?
One
unit
is
sold
off.
You
have
that
third
visitor
space
that
would
literally
have
to
be
split
in
half
if
a
unit
is
sold
off.
So
it
only
applies
to
the
the
semi-attached
units,
so
staff
did
not
have
a
concern
with
that
request.
O
Yes,
council
is
this
microphone
on
sure?
It's
all
the
issue
that
I
mean.
I
know
you
were
shown
some
pictures
but
you're,
looking
at
older
style
developments
where
the
codes
were
not
standardized.
O
O
You
can't
wave,
as
you
know,
you've
just
amended
the
sidewalk
code,
so
you
can't
just
eliminate
a
sidewalk
regardless
of
what
you're,
what
you're
building
and
this
isn't
have-
I
mean
when
they
were
talking
about
the
height
as
lashon
pointed
out
the
stair
stepping
starts.
The
proposal
is
for
it
to
start
at
35
feet
instead
of
30,
so
they'll
be
standard
with
all
the
residential
zoning
districts,
and
I
believe
that
you
know
this
has
been
vetted
over
an
extended
period
of
time.
O
We've
taken
additional
time
to
work
with
staff
and
to
also
listen
to
what
the
the
public
had
to
say
about.
You
know
various
comments.
We've
incorporated
that
we've
eliminated
a
number
of
requests
that
were
under
our
initial
petition
and
we're
now
down
to
the
remaining
four,
which
are
are
important.
They
they
have
been
fully
vetted.
We've
discussed
it
in
way
way
in
advance
and
again
this
is
not
part
of
the
fema
height
elevation.
O
Remember
that
the
the
proposal
applies
to
the
entire
city,
not
just
the
areas
around
the
that
are,
if
impacted
by
high
water.
So
we
believe
that
the
requests
are
are
fair
and
reasonable.
They
do
not
overburden
the
either
the
the
community
or
the
staff
they're,
not
creating
extreme
adverse
conditions
and
that
they
are
fair
and
reasonable.
We
certainly
request
your
support
I'll,
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have.
C
I'm
a
little
concerned
now
I
am,
I
don't
know
the
council
mazar,
making
sure
that
this
is
a
new
day.
C
C
Q
Chairman
goats,
the
applicant
worked
with
us,
as
I
mentioned
from
the
beginning
from
the
time
of
submittal,
and
has
greatly
reduced
his
request
from
the
original
submittal
and
has
worked
with
staff
on
even
modifying
the
language
that
was
proposed
in
some
of
the
zoning
districts
included
in
the
request.
H
Thank
you.
You
know
this.
This
item
is
has
has
been
hanging
around
for
more
than
a
year,
so
I
don't
see
any
urgency
in
this
in
the
vote
for
second
reading
today.
If
mr
chairman
or
anybody
else,
has
some
additional
questions,
why
not
just
defer
the
item
for
two
additional
weeks.
G
Two
things
I
I'm
just
looking
at
everything
one
by
one
and
trying
to
understand
the
the
factual
understanding
of
what's
before
us.
G
G
I
don't
know
if
that's
the
front
side
of
the
street
or
the
back
side
of
the
street
where
duplexes
are
that's
got
the
word
duplex.
On
top,
it
looks
to
me
like
the
street,
that
is
a
street's
real
narrow,
I'm
not
sure.
If
that's
factual
or
not
on
the
document,
I
was
given
item
number
71
by
the
neighborhood
association
or
the
neighborhood
people.
I
shouldn't
say
association,
but
people
that
come
up
and
bring
these
things,
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
just
the
front
or
the
rear
of
a
duplex.
C
C
Mr
miranda,
you
really
can't
tell
sir.
C
C
R
Good
morning,
council,
nicole
travis
development
and
economic
opportunity,
administrator
council
just
hearing
the
comments
today
and
mrs
dark
information.
I
think
another
two
week
delay
for
me
to
look
into
this
a
little
more
to
make
sure
there
are
no
unintended
consequences
and
to
make
sure
that
we
give
council
a
level
of
comfort
in
it.
In
looking
at
this,
wouldn't
hurt
us,
and
I
believe
mr
mickelini
would
be
amenable
if
we
can
allay
your
concerns
by
just
taking
an
extra
two
weeks
to
work
through
this.
R
And
if
you
allow
us
to
bring
it
back
to
you
on
march
17th.
So
if
you
give
me
that
opportunity
I'll
look
into
it
and
work
with
ms
stark
and
mr
benson
to
make
sure
that
we
can
answer
all
of
your
questions.
B
K
To
make
summary
statements,
just
just
so
that
there's
a
fair
chance
to
hear
the
arguments
on
both
sides.
C
C
G
A
C
Any
questions
for
the
gentleman
all
right
anybody
second
floor
to
speak
on
the
side.
Yes,
I'm
here
as
an
agent
for
adel
suarez.
Could
you
pull
the
mic
up
to
your
face
a
little
bit,
search
with
you
sure,
I'm
here
for
an
agent
for
del
suarez
and
here
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
have
in
regard
to
the
application?
C
C
All
right
move
close
miranda;
second,
one
mr
veron
in
favor
all
right.
He
pulled
motion
granted
all
right.
Mr
carlson
take
number
72,
sir.
K
Sure
like
to
move
file,
number
vac,
1916
ordinance
being
presented
for
a
second
reading
and
adoption
ordinance,
vacating
closing
discontinuing
and
abandoning
a
portion
of
right
of
way.
Alleyway
located
south
of
braddock
street
north
of
leroy
street
east
of
atenzas
avenue
and
west
of
mcdill
avenue
within
the
platte
of
john
h,
drew's
first
extension,
a
subdivision
in
the
city
of
tampa
hillsborough
county
florida
as
more
fully
described
in
section
one
here
of
subject
to
certain
covenants
conditions
and
restrictions
as
more
particularly
set
forth.
Herein
providing
effectiveness.
A
A
A
I
Thank
you
so
much
zany
hussein
development
coordination
going
over
case
73
r-e-z.
Oh
sorry,
agenda
item
number
73
case
raz
21-23.
This
is
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption
at
the
location,
1000
west
fig
street.
A
proposed
rezoning
from
ig
industrial
general
to
pd
plant
development,
residential
multifamily
site
plans
were
dropped
off
to
the
city
clerk's
office
two
days
ago.
I'm
here
for
any
questions
if
needed,.
B
Yes,
sir,
we're
just
here
to
answer
any
additional
questions
that
you
may
have.
Thank
you
at
least
battle
stern
sweeper,.
C
C
All
right
anyone
signed
on
no
one
is
registered,
we'll
close
show
moves.
Second
ran.
This
move
the
segment
citroen
all
in
favor,
all
right.
Any
opposed
motion
granted.
Mr
citro,
can
you
handle
number
73
for
sir
thank.
G
You
very
much
mr
sheriff
file
number
rez-21-23
when
it's
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption,
an
ordinance
resulting
property
in
the
general
vicinity
of
1,
000,
west
big
street,
the
city
of
tampa
florida
and
more
particularly
described
section
one
from
sony,
district
classification,
s
ig
industrial
general
to
pd,
planned
development,
residential
multi-family,
providing
for
an
effective
date.
Second,.
G
C
I
This
is
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption
at
the
location.
330
south
hyde
park
avenue
proposed
resigning
from
r01
residential
office
to
pd,
planned
development,
residential
multifamily
site
plans
were
dropped
off
to
the
city
clerk
two
days
ago.
I'm
here
for
here
for
any
questions
if
needed
a.
A
G
G
I
Thanks
so
much
this
is
andy
hussein
development
coordination
agenda
item
number
75
case
rec
20-20.
This
is
being
heard
for
second
reading
and
adoption
at
the
location.
3335
north
22nd
street
proposed
rezoning
from
rm24
residential
multi-family
to
cg
commercial
general.
This
being
euclidean
case
no
site
plans
were
required.
I'm
here
for
any
questions
if
needed,
inquisitor.
I
B
C
C
All
right
move
close
come
on
move
by
mr
citro,
I'm
mr
miranda
seconded
by
mr
maniscalco,
all
in
favor.
C
B
F
I
have
it
on
the
the
addendum
here.
D
B
Yes,
as
mr
horner
mentioned,
the
legal
description
was
certified
this
week,
so
that
was
the
purpose
of
the
substitute
ordinance
was
to
include
the
updated
and
corrected
legal
description.
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Then.
I
move
a
substitute
ordinance
being
presented
for
first.
Second,
I'm
sorry,
first
for
second
reading
and
adoption,
an
ordinary
zoning
property
in
the
general
vicinity
of
3335
north
22nd
street
in
the
city
of
tampa
florida,
more
particularly
described
in
section
one
from
zoning
district
classification,
rm24
residential
multi-family
to
cg
commercial
general,
providing
effective
date,
similar.
F
F
I
This
is
being
present
for
second
reading
and
adoption
at
the
location.
404
406
and
408
east
oak
avenue
proposed
rezoning
from
pd
plan
development
to
pd
plan
development,
residential
single-family
detached
and
commercial
off-street
parking
site
plans
were
dropped
off
to
the
city
clerk's
office
two
days
ago.
I'm
here
for
any
questions
if
needed,.
B
Thank
you
good
morning,
council
members.
We
are
here.
A
A
B
C
Any
question,
mr
mckinnon,
all
right
being
none.
You
want
the
second
floor
to
speak
on
the
side.
C
E
Yes,
sir,
I
remove
an
ordinance
being
presented
for
second
reading,
an
adoption
ordinance,
rezoning
property
in
general
vicinity
of
four
zero,
four
four
zero,
six
and
four
zero
eight
easter
avenue
in
the
city
of
tampa
florida,
more
particularly
described
in
section
one
from
zoning
district
classification,
pd
plan
development
to
pd
plan
development,
residential
single
family
detached
and
commercial
off-street
parking
providing
an
effective
date.
C
B
Councilman
carlson
kate
wells
for
the
record
we
had
not
previously
recommended
or
advised
you
to
extend
previously.
I
believe
that
you
made
that
decision
on
advice
of
your
own
counsel,
so
I
would
have
to
defer
to
to
you
and
and
to
the
advice
you
had
received
from
your
your.
K
And-
and
these
are
exceptions,
new
new
cases
coming
up,
I
would
not
abstain
unless
something
different
happens,
but
my
counsel
is
okay
with
me
at
voting
on
this,
unless
the
applicant
has
an
objection.
Thank
you.
D
And
also
mr
carlson,
what
you're
saying
is
the
reason
for
your
concern
has
been
removed
and
you
can
be
fair
and
impartial
on
these
votes.
Is
that
correct.
C
All
right
we'll
continue.
I
remember
77.
I
O
Good
morning,
council,
I
I
was
sworn,
but
it
was
sworn
with.
Other
people
I'll
be
happy
to
be
sworn
again.
If
that
is
required.
You're.
O
This
this
rezoning
is
a
vested
pd
for
six
units
and
by
going
to
the
rm16
that
will
decrease
the
density
and
allow
only
four
units
to
be
built.
We
did
not
have
any
comments
that
were
adverse
to
this.
It
was
supported
by
the
planning
commission,
as
well
as
the
city
staff,
and
we
didn't
hear
from
any
neighbors
who
had
concerns
or
objections.
We'd
respectfully
request
your
approval.
C
Mr
miranda,
all
in
favor.
C
Any
opposed
motion
granted
mr
citro
since
mr
carlson
did
upstairs.
I
would
like
for
you
to
read
number
seven.
Some
of
you
would
that
way.
He
could.
G
Pleasure,
mr
chair,
thank
you
very
much
file
number
rez,
that's
21-98,
ordinance
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption
ordinance,
resolving
the
property
of
the
general
vicinity
of
210
and
212
north
albany
avenue
in
the
city
of
tampa
florida.
More
particularly
describing
section
one
from
zoning
district
classification,
pd
planned
development,
two
rm16
residential,
only
multi-family,
providing
an
effective
day.
C
Second
by
mr
miranda,
roll
call.
K
G
A
G
A
I
This
is
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption
at
the
location,
4510
south
manhattan
avenue.
This
is
proposed
rezoning
from
rs
60,
residential
single-family
and
cg
commercial
general
2pd,
planned
development,
residential
single
family
attached
site
plans
were
dropped
off
to
the
city
clerk's
office
two
days
ago.
I'm
here
for
any
questions
if
needed,.
D
K
What
I
said
was
that
the
a
division
of
the
methodist
church
is
a
client
of
my
firm
and
it's
related
to
this
project.
C
Question
for
zane
all
right
being
done.
The
applicant
please.
A
B
C
C
Polls
motion
granted.
Mr
miranda,
can
you
handle
number
78
foreign.
G
Chairman
number
78
file,
number
rec
21-123
or
is
being
presented
for
second
reading
adoption
in
order
to
rezoning
property
general
vicinity,
4510
south
manhattan
avenue
in
the
city
of
tampa
florida,
more
particularly
described
in
section
one
from
zoning,
district
classification,
rs,
60,
residential
single
family
and
cg
commercial
general
to
planned
development,
pd
plan
development,
residential
single
family
attach
providing
an
effective
date.
Second,
second,.
A
I
B
A
C
The
applicant
being
none
on
the
second
floor
speaking
this.
C
E
Yes,
sir,
I
move
in
ordinance
being
presented
for
second
reading,
an
adoption
ordinance,
rezoning
property
in
the
general
vicinity
of
824
west
columbus
drive
in
the
city
of
tampa
florida
and
more
particularly
described
in
section
one
from
zone
district
classification,
rs,
60,
residential
single
family,
taurus,
50,
residential
single
family,
providing
an
effective
date.
Second
segment
essential.
G
A
C
I
mean
we'll
race
today
I
tell
you
yeah
yeah,
absolutely
we
can't
hear
the
items
1881
to
130..
It's
your
pleasure
to
go
and
take
some
of
these
staff
reports
now
yeah.
We.
K
C
B
So
I've
requested
a
report
from
chief
barbara
triff
as
it
relates
to
emergency
management
and
the
royal
hazard
monitoring
of
kova
19,
as
well
as
our
director
of
lamb,
adrikalina,
who
is
on
not
hearing
from
chief
tripp
this
morning,
probably
expecting
this
would
be
a
a
1
30
staff
report
call
I'll
just
stand
in
for
her
at
the
moment
because
the
agenda
is
moving
along
well.
B
So,
when
I
looked
at
the
dashboard-
and
I
looked
at
the
cdc
data,
clearly
we've
been
in
a
tremendous
decline
through
the
month
of
february.
On
the
positivity
rate,
I
looked
at
the
cdc
of
you
know
the
list
of
variant
opportunities
that
may
exist
out
there.
I
don't
see
anything
on
that
variant
list
from
the
cdc
that
is
threatening
clearly
us
or
what
they
call
variance
of
interest
and
other
types
of
variants.
B
I'll
defer
to
mrs
colina
about
talking
that
she
researched
with
the
county
as
well
as
other
jurisdictions,
in
our
msa,
about
how
they're
doing
business
in
council
chambers
and
then
we
can
hear
from
council
about
their
requests
to
potentially
return
counsel
to
its
normal
operations
and
also
continue
to
support
the
cmt
that
has
been
identified
since
covert
began.
So
let
me
defer
over
to
miss
kalina.
First.
L
Good
morning,
chief
good
morning,
council
members,
adrie
kolina,
director
of
logistics
and
asset
management.
As
chief
bennett
mentioned,
we
have
seen
the
sharp
decline
in
covet
cases,
which
is
very,
very
good.
We've
also
seen
an
increase
in
vaccinations.
Hillsborough
county
is
currently
at
69
percent
vaccinated.
L
L
K
Just
a
statement
the
public
has
asked
us
over
and
over
again
to
come
back
in
the
chambers.
I
don't
object
to
it.
E
E
We
have
70
percent,
roughly
people
in
this
county
or
in
this
area
who
have
been
vaccinated,
and
I
think
that
it's
time
for
us
to
have
the
public
back
the
way
that
it
used
to
be,
and
that
that
you
know
it's
it's
ultimately
a
personal
choice
for
people
in
terms
of
what
accommodations
they
want
to
have
etcetera,
etcetera,
and
if
people
want
wish
to
appear
via
other
methods,
then
you
know
those
accommodations
can
potentially
be
made.
But
I
I
think
that's
the
way
to
go.
H
Thank
you,
mr
shelby
and
mr
chair.
Just
a
few
questions,
and
maybe
this
was
already
addressed,
come
I'm
all
for
folks
being
able
to
come
back
into
council
chambers.
H
I'm
just
have
a
couple
of
questions
number
one
is,
would
are
we
going
to
continue
with
the
the
cmt
allowing
people
who
who
don't
feel
comfortable
coming
down
in
person
or
for
whatever
reason
to
be
able
to
continue
to
give
us
their
comment
from
either
the
health
and
or
the
convenience
of
their
own
home
number
one?
H
The
question
number
two
is:
if
we
open
up
council
chambers,
which,
as
we
know,
are
relatively
small,
will
there
be
any
limitation
on
the
number
of
folks
in
the
room
or
spacing
you
know
spacing
within
the
room
at
all?
And
mr
chairman,
I
don't
know
if
you're
you
and
or
mr
bennett
have
had
a
chance
to
talk
about
any
of
these
issues
before
we
proceed.
C
We
did
talk
about
cmt,
we
said
we
would
continue
that
we
did
say
the
second
store.
Second
floor
is
still
available,
so
if
it
comes
to
issue
of
spacing
or
whatever,
because
I
know
you
have
some
conditions
there,
we
don't
make
sure
you
don't
get
sick
coming
back.
We
might
can
do
something
that
we
can
work
with
staff
on.
If
there's
a
limit
in
here
and
versus
downstairs,
that
could
be
a
conversation.
H
For
folks
who
feel
a
little
bit
leery
about
you
know
tight
rooms
and
tight
crowds,
especially
if
you
have
to
sit
there
for
two
or
three
hours
for
your
item
to
come
up.
You
know,
I
think
we
should
leave
the
second
floor
available
as
an
option.
H
My
question,
mr
chairman,
I
appreciate
you
worrying
about
my
health.
As
you
know,
my
surgery
was
on
my
knee
we're
doing
a
lot
better
in
two
weeks
from
now.
I
I
hope
to
actually
be
in
person,
but
but
I
appreciate
your
consideration.
Thank
you.
D
Just
to
to
follow
up
on
the
second
floor,
the
second
floor
does
have
audio
visual
capabilities.
It
has
two
monitors
down
there.
The
staff
could
add
more
chairs.
Mr
chairman,
we
are,
you
know.
Sometimes
mindful
of
overflow
crowd
control
in
these
chambers
and
we've
had
in
the
past
people
sitting
along
the
wall
or
standing
along
the
wall
or
sitting
on
the
sill.
So.
C
D
C
All
right
we'll
work,
those
mechanics
out
as
we
go
along
to
get
to
get
back
in
the
full
swing.
Mr
carlson,
you
recognize.
K
Two
two
quick
questions,
so
the
public
would
like
to
speak
here.
I
don't,
I
haven't,
heard
anybody
specifically
say
they
want
to
sit
out
in
the
audience.
What
are
we
saying?
We
would
do
both.
They
could
speak
here
and
sit
in
the
audience
except
for
overflow
and
then
the
second
thing
is:
what
do
we
do?
Do
we
all
come
back
up
to
the
main
area.
C
They'll
have
to
come
back
to
the
come
back
to
the
main
frame.
You
know
and
yeah.
Let's
come
back
to
the
bourbon
yeah.
C
D
C
P
P
C
B
Good
morning,
sir
good
morning,
council
dennis
rojero
chief
financial
officer
item
number
42.
Before
you
accomplishes
two
primary
goals:
the
first
goal
it
expedites
the
spending
of
nearly
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
of
existing
arpa
funding.
That's
the
american
rescue
plan
act
and
you'll
recall.
There
are
time
frames
associated
with
those
spending
that
that
funding
and
the
overwhelming
majority
of
that
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
of
existing
arpa
funding
is
for
housing
related
initiatives
that
you
see
on
the
agenda
item
the
second
goal.
B
C
Let's,
let's
hear
about
that,
just
so
the
community
can
know
what
that
is.
This
is
money
coming
from
us.
I
know
that
you
did
speak
to
me
in
detail
about
that
yesterday
at
my
agenda
review
meeting
with
you
in
reference
to
tampa
general.
So
if
he
is
on
we'll
hear
him,
so
the
public
can
be
aware
of
what
that's
about.
C
B
I
I
can,
I
can
lead
off
if
ms
travis
wants
to
jump
on
and
she-
and
I
discussed
this
earlier-
that's
the
global
emerging
diseases
institute
and
it's
a
tgh
project
in
combination
with
the
usf
morsani
school
of
health.
It's
for
not
only
covet,
but
other
disease
related
research
and
treatment.
B
It
is
anticipated
to
be
a
30
million
dollar
project.
They've
requested
10
million
dollars
from
the
state.
They
have
received
assurances
from
hillsborough
county
for
five
million
dollars
and,
of
course
you
have
the
million
dollar
request
from
us.
They
are
also
contributing
themselves
that
is
tgh
10
million
dollars
to
the
program.
R
Good
morning
again,
council
just
here
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have
about
our
financial
assistance
regarding
the
rental
and
move-in
assistance
program
and
the
other
housing,
affordable
housing
initiatives
that
we
have
on
the
agenda.
The
rmap
program
that
we
discussed
last
week,
thursday,
when
you
had
your
rent
stabilization
conversation.
R
C
R
Yes,
sir,
the
the
website
is
up
there,
the
link
on
our
website
and
we'll
make
sure
that
we
go
ahead
and
push
that
some
more.
If
there's
questions
about
it,
you
can
direct
that
those
questions
to
our
office
and
I'll
be
able
to
help
with
that
and
we're
going
to
do
a
stronger
push
starting
on
monday,
with
all
our
media
outlets
and
stuff.
C
K
K
C
I
think
they've
broken
that
up
a
little
bit.
Miss
travis
are.
K
You
still
there
just
there
was
no
mention
just
now
that
city
council
had
any
part
in
it.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
public
knows
that
city
council.
I
did
not
know,
mr.
C
Hero's
still
there
so
that
I
I
think
you
know,
because
I
asked
about
that
a
while
ago,
the
breakdown
of
the
budget
as
it
relates
to
housing.
I
know
myself
and
mr
people
pushed
to
make
sure
there
was
ample
enough
money
in
there
for
housing.
So
I
guess
mr
carlson
is
what
is
that
breakdown
actually
and
where
is
that
actually
going
to
to
make
sure
we
have
to
deal
with
some
crisis
is
going
on.
If
you
can
explain
that.
C
City
city
budget,
with
the
opera
city
budget,
with
the
housing
that
council
approved.
That's
what
mr
carlson's
asked.
K
B
K
H
Yes,
mr
carlson
is
100
correct.
You
know
it's
a
it's
a
team
effort.
H
I
know
the
mayor
is
committed
to
affordable
housing
as
a
city
council,
and
it's
one
of
the
reasons
I
wanted
item
42
to
be
discussed
to
show
the
community
that
we
are
using
federal
money
as
well
as
our
own
local
money,
to
try
and
address
some
of
these
emergency
issues.
The
other
thing,
mr
carlson,
and
this
issue
is
still
outstanding
and
dennis-
and
I
talked
about
it
earlier
in
the
week-
is
the
the
second
tranche,
as
they
say,
of
arpa.
H
Money
has
not
yet
come
into
the
city
and,
as
related
to
the
second
tranche,
I
think
it
was
about
five
million
dollars
that
that
was
being
proposed
for
solid
waste
and
as
much
as
we
liked
the
solid
waste
department.
H
It
was
that
money
that
I
also
suggested
that
we
use
all
or
part
of
it
when
it
comes
in
for
affordable
housing,
because
I
don't
think
we
have
a
solid
waste
crisis,
but
we
have
affordable
housing
crisis,
but
mr
o'hara
and
I
agreed
that
we
would
continue
to
have
that
discussion
later
into
the
spring
because
that
money
hasn't
it
hasn't
arrived
yet.
So
it's
sort
of
a
little
bit
premature
to
get
into
that
debate.
C
All
right:
well,
I
I
would
say
mr
hero
admissions,
miss
travis.
If
you
go
ahead
and
what
we
have
now
has
been
allocated
out
the
budget
to
you
so
california's
going
to
know
where
those
dollars
are
going
for
homeless
and
for
housing
that
we
know
how
many,
how
much
dollars
is
going
where
that
way,
councilmembers
can
be,
can
tell
their
constituents
where
that
money.
Since
we
do,
we
have
a
housing
situation,
so
I
think
that
would
be
good
information,
so
we
can
have
that
to
the
public.
C
C
F
C
All
right,
mr
mascot,
the
mood
is
taken
by
mr
miranda
rule
call.
M
K
A
C
C
K
C
All
right,
86.
C
All
right,
86
was
my
item.
Several
phone
calls
about
this
item,
so
I
know
some
people
may
be
upset
because
most
of
you
probably
thought
it
would
be
at
1
30.
But
you
know
I.
C
C
C
Right
88,
mr
dingfelder,
you
can
keep
with
that
report
correct.
No.
We
want
to
talk
about
that
because
of
the
study.
Mrs
miss
travis.
Still
there.
R
Last
week
during
the
workshop
on
rent
stabilization,
there
was
extensive
conversation
about
what
we're
doing
for
affordability
and
housing
choices
and
options
that
our
community
is
facing
crisis
with
right
now
you
heard
a
lot
from
our
citizens,
and
you
heard
a
lot
from
staff
and
councilman
dean.
Felder
has
been
asking
about
a
housing
needs
assessment.
R
It's
also
identified
in
the
mayor's
advisory
report
on
housing,
affordability
and
last
week
it
came
up
again
it
rent
the
rent,
stabilization
conversation,
and
so
I'm
just
here
before
you
to
just
reaffirm
my
commitment
that
we
are
moving
forward
with
the
housing
needs
assessment.
R
This
assessment
does
take
time
and
resources,
but
right
now
we're
in
the
stage
of
preliminary
pulling
this
information
together,
as
well
as
reaching
out
to
several
organizations,
including
usf
and
the
urban
land
institute,
to
put
together
a
scope
for
an
rfp
and
in
that
rfp.
I
anticipate
that
we'll
be
asking
for
demographic
trends
in
our
current
housing
needs.
We'll
also
be
looking
at
assumptions
in
our
future
housing
needs,
and
we
also
would
like
to
push
that.
R
I
ask
that
you
allow
me
some
time
to
work
on
this,
and
I
will
I
could
report
back
in
six
months,
just
to
tell
you
where
we
are
where
the
rfp
is
and
just
continuously
provide
you
update
on
where
we
are
in
this
process.
But
we
are
moving
forward
based
on
conversations
that
we've
had
and
particularly
that
workshop,
that
we
had
last
week,
thursday.
C
C
We
are
in
a
situation,
miss
travis
and
I
know
your
housing
department
needs
people,
I'm
hoping
with
you
being
on
board.
Now
we
can
get
those
hires
in
there.
Sometimes
we
got
to
be
make
sure
people
can
be
cross-trained,
sometimes
to
do
certain
things,
because
that
can
help
us
a
little
bit
too.
C
With
some
of
our
situational
needs
and
and
I'm
hoping
that
you
know,
we
can
get
that
moving
to
get
more
of
those
hires
and
because,
if
we
don't
have
people
to
do
the
work,
we
can't
get
the
work
out
for
the
citizens
to
be
able
to
get
what
he
needs.
So
I'm
hoping
that
works,
but
for
me,
six
months
is
a
long
time
and
again
people
are
hurting.
Now
one
million
dollars
is
not
gonna.
Do
it
and
we
know
that
and
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
get
a
little
better
time
frame.
C
R
Oh
yeah
sure
that
was
just
my
recommendation.
As
far
as
providing
a
report,
I
can
provide
a
report
in
you
know
in
half
that
time,
just
to
let
you
know
where
we
are
with
that
status
and
continuously
report
to
you
where
we
are
with
that
status.
But
that's
just
on
the
reporting
side.
It
doesn't
mean
that
the
work
stops
and
wait
for
action
for
six
months,
we're
actively
working
on
it
and
whenever
you
would
like
me
to
return
to
provide
you
with
an
update
on
where
we
are
in
the
process.
R
I
would
be
happy
to
do
so
this
just
as
a
point,
though,
understand
that
the
immediate
need
that
we
heard
from
the
citizens
and
what
you
chairman,
goods
are
talking
about.
It's
really
the
community
wants
immediate
need
right
now,
and
the
million
dollars
that
you
just
approved
in
that
last
final
discussion
of
that
financial
project
really
is
helping
us,
and
it's
not
just
that
million
dollars.
R
There's
there's
more
money
that
for
people
that
are
lower
in
a
lower
income
bracket
that
is
allowed
to
help
so
that
one
million
dollars
really
helps
up
to
140
percent
of
the
air.
Immediate
income,
so
we're
going
to
continue
to
do
everything
we
can
until
whenever
council
feels
appropriate
for
me
to
come
back
and
provide
an
update,
I'll
be
happy
to
do
so.
C
I
just
want
to
say
that
mr
mcginty
was
once
anything
from
you
know:
legal
was
here
explaining
criteria.
So
if
you
had
a
rent
stabilization
issue,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
if
we
do
that
housing
study
we're
going
to
pay
money.
That
needs
to
be
incorporated
in
that
somehow
so
that
we
can
say
this
is
a
situational
need.
The
community
is
saying
we
have
a
concern
or
crisis
and
making
sure
that
we
break
that
down
to
show
where
that
crisis.
B
C
Are
and
so
forth,
so,
if
we
do
have
to
come
back
to
this,
council
has
to
vote
on
taking
something
for
the
citizens
or
the
citizens
want
to
put
them
forward.
We
have
some
documents
to
say
that
the
city
of
tampa
has
done
something,
and
this
is
where
we
are
with
facts
and
figures
all
right,
yep.
Yes,
sir,
got
it
all
right.
Mr
info
you're
recognized.
H
Well,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you,
ms
chavis
miss
travis.
I
appreciate
the
conversation,
the
I
guess
the
question
I
had
a
twofold
number.
One
is:
what
is
the
total
timeline
that
you
would
expect
for
a
housing
study
to
be,
obviously,
you
got
to
put
together
a
scope
you
got
to
put
it
out
on
the
street.
Rfp
has
to
be
responded
to
and
then
the
work
has
to
be
done.
But
what
is
the
total
timeline
that
that
you're
looking
at?
Is
it
12
months?
Is
it
18
months,
24
months.
R
Sure
I
anticipate
that
the
study
itself
will
take
about
18
18
months
and
that's
just
based
on
my
experience
with
having
done
other
housing
needs
assessments
in
other
communities,
and
so
that's
about
the
time
and
usually
that
housing
needs
assessment
is
broken
into
three
phases
and
you'll
have
deliverables.
R
It's
not
all
at
the
end
of
the
18
months.
You'll
have
deliverables
for
maybe
phase
one
and
phase
two
early
on,
and
we
could
bring
that
information
back
to
you
just
based
on
what
we
have
the
other
part.
To
that.
I
anticipate
that
it
would
take
us
at
least
60
days
to
develop
an
rfp
and
to
put
that
out
and
we
have
to
allow
for
at
least
a
60
day
or
excuse
me
30
to
60
day
response
time.
R
R
But
again,
council
I
just
want
to.
I
just
want
to
say
that
we're
not
we're
not
going
to
stop
we're
in
the
in
between
that
time.
We
have
some
tax
amendments
that
we
would
bring
back
to
you
in
a
workshop
along
the
way,
and
just
this
is
a
multi-pronged
approach
and
we
just
need
to
continue
working
on
it
from
every
facet,
so
the
housing
needs
assessment
doesn't
mean
that
we
stop
our
pursuit
to
housing,
affordability
and
housing.
Supply.
H
I
understand
I,
I
just
think
it's
fair
that
everybody
here,
here's
what
the
total
timeline
is,
which
sounds
to
me
like
we're
talking
about
approximately
24
months,
total
total
to
be
from
where
we
are
today
to
the
end.
Do
you
need
a
motion
to
move
forward
now,
or
is
that
already
was
that
already
done
last
week
or
you
know
what
what
would
the
best
course?
That's
question
number
one
and
then
question
number
two
is
the
housing
study
itself?
H
Is
that
going
to
also
include
market
rate
housing
as
well,
because
a
lot
of
times
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
discussion
about
when
we're
doing
re-zonings
and
that
sort
of
thing
and
people
say?
Oh,
you
know,
every
people
are
moving
here.
People
are
moving
here.
We've
got
to
approve
this.
We
got
to
prove
this.
Some
people
are
a
little
bit
skeptical
about
about
some
of
that.
So
would
it
would
a
housing
study
include
market
rate
housing,
as
well
as
the
different
levels
of
affordable
housing
and
workforce
housing.
R
Yes,
sir,
the
the
housing
assessment
study
what
it
does.
It
looks
at
all:
housing
choices
and
housing
options
for
every
pocket,
so
not
just
affordability
from
the
affordability
aspect,
but
also
single
single-family
homes,
larger
homes
and
just
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
variety
of
housing
options
and
what
we
have
and
where
we
should
aspire
to
be
based
on
our
community
projection
population
growth.
R
That's
correct,
sir
okay
and
then
to
answer
your
question
about
the
motion.
Emotion
was
not
made
for
us
to
move
forward
with
the
study
last
week
and,
as
I
shared
with
council
last
week,
thursday
it
I
I
don't,
need
the
motion
to
do
the
right
thing,
we're
moving
forward
and
even
if
you
didn't
make
the
motion,
I'm
coming
back
to
you
to
report
on
it.
So,
however,
you
fit
councilman
dean,
felder
we're
working
on
it.
It's
a
priority.
H
Okay,
so
why
don't,
mr
chairman,
if
we
could
entertain
this,
I
I
think
as
part
of
last
week's
presentation,
ms
feli
and
you
were
coming
back
in
june
for
additional
presentations
on
on
all
of
these
housing
issues.
Is
that
correct?
Mr
trump.
C
H
No,
I
I
know,
mr
chairman,
but
just
so
the
clerk
has
it
on
the
on
file
and
the
public
has
noticed
okay.
Why
don't
we
go
ahead
and
make
a
motion
to
include
this
item
just
an
update
on
this
item
at
the
june
workshop,
and
then
that
way
you
know
the
public
can
get.
You
know
stay
informed
on
it
as
well.
D
C
C
All
right
all
right,
mr
shelby,
I've
received,
I
guess
everyone
received
a
stack
of
forms
here
for
mr
joe
robinson,
we'll
make
sure
we
enter
it
to
the
record
for
the.
D
D
Just
to
talk
about
the
a
discussion
by
council
of
hiring
a
facilitator
for
the
charter
workshop,
which
is
now
scheduled
for
march
24th
of
2022
and,
as
you
know,
council
has
been
talking
about
this
workshop
for
a
long
time
and
if
you've
heard
the
the
chair
talk
about
this,
it
is
primarily
a
workshop
for
council
to
discuss
the
issues
relative
to
council's
experience
of
the
charter
and,
as
we
know
as
I
stand
here,
I'm
looking
at
three
members
of
the
charter
review:
commission,
council
members,
carlson,
council,
member
seatro
and
chair
goods
and
upstairs
on
the
eighth
floor.
D
We
have
in
the
legal
department.
We
have
two
members
of
the
charter
review.
Commission
we
have
deputy
city
attorney,
andrea
zellman
and
deputy
city
attorney
morris
massey,
and
what
I
I
want
to
say
then
counsel
is
this
in
talking
with
the
chair,
and
certainly
I
don't
put
words
in
his
mouth,
but
I
take
my
direction
from
the
chair
and
the
chair
has
made
it
very
clear
that
this
workshop
primarily
is
for
the
benefit
of
city
council.
You
are
all
now
in
the
sunshine.
D
You
can
talk
to
each
other
outside
of
the
meeting
about
anything
that
could
come
up,
certainly
not
a
potential
charter
change.
So
your
workshop
is
the
opportunity
for
each
of
you
to
be
able
to
communicate
to
each
other
and
to
the
public
your
positions
as
to
the
needs,
if
any
relative
to
changing
the
charter.
Now
you
know
the
charter
was
recently
amended
and
it
took
effect
when
you
were
elected.
C
I'll
address
I'll
address
it,
sir
gentlemen,
throughout
our
tenure
here
so
far,
we've
had
what
I
call
interpretations
at
times
in
conflict
with
our
city
attorney
and
the
city,
a
city
council
attorney
in
the
city
attorney's
office.
C
I
I
I
just
puzzled
me
sometimes
and
I
think
now
sitting
in
council,
I
see
why
the
last
council
needed
a
charter
review,
but
it
still
needs
to
be
crafted
a
little
bit,
because
a
lot
of
things
are
left
at
a
dead
end.
When
it
comes
to
interpretation,
it
comes
in
what
we
don't
know
what
to
do
this,
but
this
is
the
interpretation.
C
That's
why
I
made
sure
that
we
said
we
needed
to
for
councilmembers
could
be
able
to
discuss
some
of
the
things
that
have
come
up
to
express
their
opinions
and
maybe
what
I
call
balancing
the
chart
to
where
we
have
a
balance
of
power,
because
sometimes
it
seems
the
scale
is
unbalanced
at
times
when
it
comes
to
interpretations
or
what
relates
to
this
council's
authority
and
power
as
it
relates
to
administration.
The
administration
has
a
job
to
do.
C
G
Thank
you
chairman.
I
I
was
here
on
the
other
side
as
one
of
the
council
members,
along
with
mr
vieira,
mr
meniscalco,
and
the
charter
review
at
that
time
was
a
two-way
street
between
the
elected
officials
of
the
tampa
city,
council
and
the
mayor,
and
it
worked
out.
It
was
about
34
35,
maybe
36
months
ago,
I'm
not
going
to
hold
myself
to
exact
day
or
time
or
of
history.
G
However,
what
I
see
coming
in
the
speeches
that
I've
heard
here
lately
is
I'm
not
going
to
have
a
cleveland
in
the
city
of
tampa
and
cleveland's
got
17
council
members,
salary
of
88
000,
two
two
aides,
one
in
the
building
and
one
in
the
district-
and
I
am
a
proponent
and
always
will
be
a
proponent
of
a
strong
mayor
system
and
I'll.
Tell
you
why
it
pits
point
responsibility,
bingo,
whoever
he
or
she
is
for
that
period
of
time,
is
the
one
that
sets
the
tone.
G
G
G
I'm
not
saying
that's
what's
happening
here,
don't
get
me
wrong,
but
I'm
saying
that
when
you
pinpoint
responsibility
to
a
person
that
person
takes
the
helm,
the
realm
the
opportunity
to
lead
the
charge
forward
to
make
the
city
a
better
city
that
was
when
he
or
she
took
office
and
I've
been
through
five
of
them
and
all
five
were
different.
All
five
had
different
styles.
G
All
fine
have
different
abilities,
but
all
five
had
the
same
quality
of
making
the
city
of
tampa
a
better
place
to
live,
and
the
culmination
of
what's
happening
in
tampa
today
doesn't
start
with
this
council,
or
this
mayor
doesn't
start
with
the
five
mayors
that
I
work
with
the
council
members.
It
started
many
years
ago,
one
little
brick
at
a
time,
one
little
idea
at
a
time.
G
Certainly,
if
you
see
tampa
from
1970
to
now,
you
would
recognize
if
you
came
into
the
city,
you
wouldn't
think
that
what's
happening
in
the
city
of
tampa
the
the
amount
of
individuals
who
are
wanting
to
move
down
for
whatever
reason-
and
I
think
the
reason
is
they're-
tired
of
high
high
taxes
in
the
north
they're,
tired
of
snow
drifts,
they're
tired
of
different
things
and
to
them
spending
a
million
dollars
or
five
million
dollars
on
a
house.
It's
not
that
they
think
it's
too
low
or
too
high
it's
where
they
come
from
that
costs.
G
10
million,
that's
fine!
So
when
they
come
here,
they
pay
5
million
for
something
that
we
think
is
worth
a
million
and
they
say
look.
We
got
a
fantastic
bargain
in
tampa
and
that
spreads
just
like
the
wildfires
that
are
going
on
throughout
this
country.
That's
due
to
another
cause
that
we're
not
going
to
debate
today.
G
C
G
K
Yeah,
I
think
some
people
in
the
public,
and
particularly
the
last
mayor,
looked
at
a
strong
mayor
of
former
government
as
kind
of
a
strong
man
form
a
government
that,
like
a
putin
or
a
fernando
marcos
or
noriega,
something
like
that
in
america,
we
have
democracy
and
democracy
is
representative
government
and
it
is
a
balance
of
powers.
K
And
although
we
have
a
strong
mayor
former
government,
that
doesn't
mean
that
the
mayor
does
everything
and
makes
every
decision
we
have
to
have
some
balance
of
powers
and
the
charter
gives
city
council
power,
but
in
the
way
that
it
is
conducted,
we
rely
heavily
on
the
legal
department.
We
rely
heavily
on
staff,
for
example.
K
You
know
the
last
mayor
would
brag
that
city
council's
only
power
is
that
they're
a
zoning
board.
We
actually
have
control
of
the
budget,
but
if
we
don't
exercise
that
power,
we
have
no
control.
If
we,
if
we
negotiate
side
deals
so
that
an
administration,
the
last
mayor
would
negotiate
side
deals,
so
they
could
get
the
four
votes
and
and
the
and
the
public
really
had
no
oversight
over
the
budget.
K
We
had
an
issue
today
where
we're
asking
a
simple
question:
who
made
the
decision
not
to
put
out
for
rfp
100
million
contract
and
nothing
that
we've
been
given
today
says
who
made
that
decision?
How
and
we
have
a
duty
to
the
public
to
answer
that
question,
and
so,
if,
if
staff
or
legal
department,
whatever
can't
give
us
the
answers,
we
have
to
have
the
tools
to
be
able
to
answer
the
questions
for
the
public,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
things
I
want
to
talk
about
when
we
get
to
that
date.
K
But
what
I
would
encourage
everybody
is
to
remember
the
pregnant
pig
amendment
to
the
florida
constitution
to
protect
pregnant
pigs
by
not
putting
them
in
in
cages.
This
is
the
charter
is
our
constitution
for
our
city,
and
we
should
put
big
systemic
issues
in
there.
We
should
not
put
100
little
things.
We
should
not
put
a
pregnant
pig
clause
in
and
we
should
not
put
things
that
should
be
ordinances
or
legislation.
K
We
need
to
put
big
tweaks
there's
also
by
the
way,
and-
and
I
have
the
audio-
I
think-
maybe
you
all
have
now
of
the
charter
view
commission,
those
of
us
who
are
on
it.
I
think
a
majority
of
us
don't
recall
some
of
the
changes
that
were
ultimately
made
and
what
we
don't
know
is
several
folks
who
are
not
within
the
city
believed
that
something
was
changed
either
by
the
time
it
was
presented
to
council
or
after
before
it
was
put
on
the
ballot,
and
we
need
to
again.
K
We
don't
have
the
resources
at
city
council
to
go
back
and
do
that
forensic
audit
of
what
happened.
Technically,
we
do
have
the
chance
to
do
a
forensic
audit.
How
would
we
pay
for
it
and
how
would
it
get
staffed
and
how
would
a
firm
get
chosen
other
than
to
go
through
city
staff,
and
so
in
the
in
the?
K
I
think
this
administration
has
a
much
more
collaborative
relationship
with
city
council
in
the
prior
administration,
but
when
we
don't
agree
on
something,
if
city
council
does
not
have
the
power
to
be
able
to
implement
the
powers
that
were
already
given
by
charter,
then
we'll
fail
to
represent
the
public.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you
very
much,
and
you
know
I
I
want
to
take
ideas
as
they
come.
I
mean
I
have
a
general
principle
that
I
don't
want
any
radical
departure
from
what
we
have
now
in
in
our
system
of
government.
But
you
know
again,
I
I
I
want
to
keep
an
open
mind
on
on
all
ideas
as
they
come
and
I
look
forward
to
listening
to
everybody's
ideas.
E
E
I
believe
it
was
from
the
citizens
advisory
board
on
certain
changes
that
I
just
respectfully
disagree
with,
and
I
think
at
times
when
tax
dollars
are
very
very
tight,
that
that,
looking
at
ideas
that,
if
an
implementation
would
require
again
again
reasonable
reasonableness
in
terms
of
additional
staff,
is
something
that
I
can
certainly
be
open
to,
but
in
terms
of
ballooning
city,
council's
personnel
budget,
for
example.
That's
something
that
upon
first
impression
I
would
not
be
supportive
of,
but
again
you
know,
I
I
have
an
open
mind.
E
I
think,
and
I
will
try
to
be
reasonable
and
fair
on
everything,
because,
obviously,
from
all
the
statements
here,
a
lot
of
people
are
putting
a
lot
of
thought
into
it,
and
I
promise
to
you
know,
be
reasonable
and
fair
in
response
to
all
of
the
suggestions
that
come
up.
But
again,
I
would
frown
upon
upon
first
impression
anything
that
would
have
any
radical
departure
from
where
we're
at
now
or
that
would,
in
my
mind,
balloon
our
personnel
budget.
E
But
that
being
said
open
to
just
about
everything
in
terms
of
discussion
and
whatnot.
Thank
you.
C
C
My
office
is
overworked
even
I
have
a
new
aide
she's
getting
burnt
out
because
of
the
magnitude.
When
you
look
at
county
government
over
there,
they
have
personnel.
Mr
shelby
doesn't
have
any
personnel
to
do
anything.
Anything
some
of
these
aids
are
are
working
have
to
be
out
in
the
areas,
and
things
like
that.
C
C
C
You
don't
have
no
research
staff,
he
he's
dependent
on
what
what
the
top
tells
him.
So
I
I
hear
what
you're
saying,
but
that's
something
we
have
to
look
at,
because
I'm
gonna
ask
for
somebody
else
to
be
in
district
five,
because
my
people
are
overworked
and
everyone
knows
it.
Mr
maniscalco
you're
recognized.
F
Very
much
you
know
on
a
different
topic
from
what
we
just
talked
about.
I
knew
what
I
signed
up
for.
I
knew
what
the
job
was
going
to
be.
I
knew
what
the
salary
was
going
to
be
the
responsibilities.
F
They
say
it's
a
part-time
job.
It's
not
it's
a
full-time
commitment.
Everybody
works
in
a
different
capacity,
but
it
is
a
strong
mayor
form
of
government.
You
know,
and
I
respect
that
you
know
and
that's
how
it's
been
have
I
have
I
felt
like
I've,
not
gotten
anything
accomplished
in
seven
years.
Absolutely
not.
I
think
I
have,
regardless
of
who
the
mayor
is
and
what
not
things
have
gotten
done.
F
I've
had
many
successes
I
would
say,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
it
is
a
strong
major
form
of
government.
We
are
the
city
council.
We
have
the
power
in
approving
that
budget
or
not
approving
it
or
making
modifications
or
starting
that
conversation
early
to
see
what
we
can
have
included
or
not
have
included,
but
to
radically
change
that
or
depart
from
that.
You
know
I.
You
know,
of
course,
we'll
have
this
discussion
and
we'll
have
this
workshop,
but
I
knew
what
I
was
getting
myself
into.
F
I
wasn't
coming
here
to
completely
revolutionize
everything.
So
again,
I'm
open
to
conversation
and
and
whatnot,
but
you
know
one
step
at
a
time,
we'll
take
it
from
there.
Thank
you.
C
Yeah,
I
don't
think
the
conversation
is
to
change
the
form
of
government.
I
think
the
conversation
is
looking
at
some
of
the
charter
points
that
we've
had
issues
with
to
to
either
make
sure
the
verbiage
is
clear.
So
I
don't
think
that
it's
a
discussion
about
changing
the
form
of
government.
Let's
get
that
clear.
I
think
the
conversation
is
some
of
the
issues
that
have
risen
from
the
child.
That
are
not
clear
and
we
have
to
define
that
for
ourselves
and
the
public.
C
G
One
of
the
things
I'm
sorry
all
things
said
and
done.
I've
heard
a
council's
request
for
to
hire
the
young
lady
or
whoever
it
is
that
you
want
to
hire
to
do
the
process
regarding
the
charter
review,
but
have
we
ever
asked
the
administration
what
they
don't
they're,
not
going
to
be
in
this
game?
Just
going
to
be
us.
C
C
I
mean
it
wasn't
a
part
of
the
conversation
with
the
last
facilitator.
I
said
on
that
and
it
was
merely,
but
that
was
a
slightly
different
process
that
process
last
time
was
basically
the
council
enacted
to
have
a
charter
review.
Commission.
The
mayor
got
people
off
mayor,
had
a
group
of
people
and
it's
a
little
bit
different
than
what
this
is
just
a
mere
workshop
among
council
people.
That's
not
a.
G
A
K
Be
involved
at
that
point
because
they
have
to
be.
We
can't,
because
we
don't
have
our
own
staff
to
put
something
on
the
ballot
there's.
We
would
have
to
start
the
conversation
with
them.
The
idea
here
is
just
to
hear
from
the
public
and
ourselves
what
we
think
you
know
really
should
be
the
same
thing
on
the
budget.
K
You
know
what
and
to
give
them
credit
chief
bennett
had
meetings
with
us
last
year
to
go
through
what
we
thought
about
the
budget,
but
the
budget
is
one
of
our
is
our
biggest
power
in
in
the
charter.
The
budget
technically
should
start
with
city
council
and
then
the
and
then
get
to
get
feedback
from
the
from
the
administration
and
that's
the
way
the
charter
is
written
already
by
by
habit.
It's
done
the
other
way,
but
but
in
this
case
we,
you
know
we
just
like
we
do
with
other
issues.
D
Council,
thank
you
for
this
conversation.
It
was
very
instructive
to
me
by
the
way
and
also
the
public
gets
to
hear
the
views
of
the
city
council.
What
occurs
to
me,
and
it's
indicative
of
the
challenge
that
I
faced
based
on
you
know
direction
from
the
chair
and
setting
this
workshop
is
how
to
structure
it
and
and
chief
of
staff.
John
bennett
did
reach
out
to
me
to
to
inquire
as
what
the
role
is
of
the
administration
in
this
workshop
and
then
again.
Excuse
me,
pardon
me.
D
In
discussion
with
the
chair,
we've
had
this
discussion
just
as
he's
communicated
it
to
you.
Excuse
me,
so
that's
been
my
challenge
and
in
trying
to
take
on
that
challenge.
What
I
discussed
with
the
chair
was
perhaps
the
concept
of
bringing
on
a
facilitator
and
just
to
give
you
an
instance
of
what
we
experienced.
D
What
we
had
was
we
had
a
statement
and
then
what
we
did
was
around
robin
and
the
question
is:
is
that
the
way
you
want
to
conduct
the
workshop,
because
I
don't
believe
council
will
get
value
out
of
that,
and
I
don't
know
what
the
end
product
is.
I
will
tell
you
that
in
listening
to
all
of
you,
there
is
no
consensus.
D
Quite
frankly
and
I
in
in
hearing
from
council
members
who've
come
to
me,
there's
quite
a
divergence
of
what
the
anticipation
is
for
this
workshop
and
what
value
can
be
gotten
out
of
it
and
frankly,
council
just
to
remind
you
that
the
deadline
for
final
improvement
approval
of
texts
for
placement
on
the
ballots.
D
If
you
wanted
for
the
november
8th
general
election,
it
would
be
august
23rd
of
this
year
and
if
you
want
city
election,
which
is
coming
up
on
a
year
from
now
nearly
then
that's
january,
20th
of
2023
and
council,
I
believe,
is
correct
that
clearly,
the
legal
department
must
get
involved
in
this,
and
the
legal
department
has
to
get
involved
in
this.
That's
correct
and
certainly
the
legal
department
was
instrumental
working
with
saltorito.
D
As
you
know,
he
did
the
the
the
drafts
he
brought
it
to
the
the
charter
review.
Commission.
The
charter
review
commission
approved
it.
It
was
sent
to
city
council
in
ordinance
forum
and
again
mr
torito
did
that
this,
the
legal
department
did
the
interface.
Excuse
me,
working
with
the
supervisor
of
elections,
ensuring
that
the
ballot
language
and
all
the
eyes
were
dotted
and
the
t's
were
crossed.
So
they,
the
legal
department,
is
the
legal
representative
of
the
city.
D
The
city
attorney
is,
and
ultimately
they
are
in,
they
are
integral
to
the
process.
My
understanding,
in
talking
with
the
chair
is
that
this
was
council's
opportunity
for
council
to
take
it's
only
a
three.
It's
only
a
three-hour
workshop,
ideally
from
nine
to
noon,
and
that
would
include
the
opportunity
for
public
comment
for
the
public
to
talk.
So
the
question
is:
what
can
you
accomplish
in
that
time?
D
You
see,
I
also
gave
you
the
professional
profile
of
the
person
I
did
get
to
have
a
zoom
meeting
with
angela
crist
and
anne
schroeder,
the
person
who
she
recommended-
and
we
talked
about
the
issues
from
my
perspective,
but
council.
Here's.
My
point.
My
point
is
that
with
a
professional
facilitator,
nobody
drives
the
train,
but
the
professional
facilitator
in
the
sense
that
it
may
be
structured
differently
and
she
will
prepare
in
advance
for
this.
D
Certainly,
if
she
is
selected,
she
would
get
the
opportunity
to
watch
this
tape,
so
she'll
know
who
you
are
and
what
the
issues
are
and
then
plan
accordingly,
and
that
being
said,
I'm
looking
for
direction
of
of
of
city
council
on
this
and
I'm
open
to
discussion.
I
certainly
don't
want
to
be
perceived
as
driving
this
train.
I
certainly
don't
want
to.
I
am
a
neutral
in
this
council.
D
I
don't
want
anybody
to
think
that
I
have
a
perspective
that
I
am
pushing
on
council.
I
do
hear
from
all
of
you
relative
to
certain
things
all
the
time
and
that
that's
okay
and
that's
fine,
but
the
truth
of
the
matter
is
it's
the
people's
charter
and
it's
the
city's
constitution
and
council
wanted
a
workshop
to
be
able
to
discuss
it
in
a
way
that
is
valuable
in
a
way
that
produces
something
at
the
end
that
you
can
all
either
move
forward
or
not
depending
on
what
you
want.
F
D
So
yes,
it'll,
be
it'll,
be
it'll
be
that
day,
and
this
is
what
the
what
I
was
quoted
and
it
may
be
subject
to
negotiation.
I
don't
know,
but
what
it
was
quoted
as
four
thousand
and
seventy
dollars
for
one
one
day's
work.
D
Be
pre!
Well,
if
you
look
at
it,
it's
pre-planning
and
it's
also
the
day
of,
and
it's
also
going
to
be
producing
some
completion.
My
understanding
is
that
there
would
be
some
sort
of
product
produced
from
at
least
road
map
of
where
council
goes
from
here
and.
D
Budget,
that's
a
good
question.
All
right!
No
money
by
the
way,
should
to
remind
council
just
to
go
back
in
time
before
even
the
discussion
of
a
or
the
initial
discussion
of
the
charter
review
commission
took
place
way
in
advance
and
the
city
council,
in
its
wisdom,
put
money
into
the
budget
next
year's
budget
for
the
purposes
of
planning
for
a
charter
review
commission.
If
it
chose
to
do
it
and
that's
how
far
in
advance
they
planned
that.
D
C
G
D
Well,
this
was
done
on
on
after
talking
with
angela
crist
and
she
investigated.
This
is
the
person
she
recommended.
I
I
talked
with
other
people
they
weren't
available.
I
was
asked
to
ask
if
marilyn
and
crotty
were
available.
She
was
not.
This
was
done
on
short
notice,
relatively
short
notice
relative
to
this
date.
G
Counselor
annie,
excuse
me,
isn't
there
any
form
of
we
could
say
through
the
media,
social
media
or
whatever
media
that
you're
looking
for
a
facility,
I'm
not
saying
she's
great
or
not
great,
I
don't
know
who
she
is.
No,
I
did
not
advertise
it.
Sir.
No
was
the
advertisement
done.
No,
sir,
all
right.
Thank
you.
K
I
was
not
involved
in
that
process
at
all,
but,
as
I
recall,
the
former
council
or
staff
went
to
this
same
usf
institute
and,
and
this
usf
institute
is
very
highly
respected
and
seen
as
a
neutral
arbitrator
of
issues
and
with
government
agencies,
and
when
the
when
the
former
council
engaged
usf
usf
then
found
marilyn
crotty
and
she
was
a
subcontractor
to
usf
and
so
it
it
appears
that
mr
shelby's
followed
the
same
process
that
was
done
for
the
charter
review.
Commission,
however,
ms
crotty
has
retired,
I
think,
or
something.
D
K
Is
if
you,
as
I
understand
you,
can
go
to
a
government
agency
in
this
case
we're
not
hiring
her
directly
we're
going
to
a
government
agency,
and
the
government
agency
is
choosing
this
person.
D
And
that's
that's
what
we
did
the
last
time.
Yes,.
K
I
would
recommend
a
a
facilitator
just
so
it's
not
biased
in
any
way
and
and
so
the
information
come
out.
If
we
decide
not
to
do
anything,
that's
fine,
but
you
all
who
are
on
the
charter
review
commission
will
remember
that.
Luckily
now
we
have
a,
I
think,
a
pretty
neutral
city
attorney,
but
the
last
city
attorney,
who
was
not
a
part
of
this,
that
committee
at
all
martin
shelby,
was
designated
as
the
attorney
to
represent
the
charter
view.
Commission,
no,
that's
not
true.
Actually,
no.
K
Actually
screamed
at
me
and
and
turned
red
face
and
screamed
to
me
and
said
you're
trying
to
change
the
strong
mayor
former
government,
and
I
said-
and
I
said
that's
what
city
council
asked
us
to
do
and
he
and
he
screamed
at
me
again
and
said:
no,
they
did
it
and
I
said,
look
at
the
instruction
document
like
point
number
three
or
whatever
it
was.
I
read
off
the
written
instructions
that
city
council
had
given
us
to
try
to,
and
one
of
the
main
instructions
was
to
try
to
balance
the
powers
and
he
would
not.
K
Let
me
make
move
forward
on
any
motions
pretty
much
related
to
that,
and
so
whatever
the
charter
view
ended
up
with,
it
was
partly
biased
because
there
was
not
a
neutral
party
helping
us
guide
us
through
the
process,
and
then
we
don't
know
if
anything
was
changed
after
that
we
still
got
to
do
an
audit
but
an
example
of
a
problem.
There's
many
things.
I
think
some
of
us
would
like
to
do
an
investigation
on
including
some
issues
that
we're
supposed
to
be
discussed.
Today.
K
We
have
a
right
by
charter
to
have
an
investigation,
but
who's
going
to
pay
for
it.
Where's
the
budget
going
to
come
from
who's
going
to
manage
it
from
a
city
council,
point
of
view,
there's
no
apparatus
and
if
the,
if,
if
it
happens,
that
the
strong
mayor
administration
is
a
as
it
has
a
difference
of
opinion
with
city
council,
there's
no
there's
no
method
for
us
to
to
look
at
anything
and
I'm
not
suggesting
that
we
go
out
and
implement
it.
K
C
Right,
but
we
have
no
money
for
this
council
to
operate.
We
have
no
money.
Okay,
anybody
says
our
money
is
very,
very
small.
So
if
even
if
you
say
you
needed
to
do
something
or
we
needed
to
hire
somebody,
we've
got
to
go.
Ask
somebody
else
to
give
us
some
money
versus
this
council
doesn't
have
any
money
to
really
operate
and
that's
kind
of
a
problem.
I
have
the
dollars
and
cents
a
little
bit.
If
we
need
to
do
something.
I
got
to
go
big
to
somebody
else
to
give
me
some
money
versus.
C
We
should
have
our
own
budget
with
budgetary
money,
that's
substantial,
so
we
can
operate
and
the
citizens
financial
committee
even
said
that
that
we
were
under
budgeted.
They
even
told
us
that
we're
under-budgeted
and
that's
a
problem.
I
really
do
have
that
we
are
under-budgeted
I'll
go.
Mr
shelby,
then
I'll
go
with
mr
vieira.
D
Mr
chairman,
those
are
all
budgetary
issues
and
that's
something
that
you
can
actually
work
with
in
the
budget,
but
then
it
comes
to
how
council
approaches
how
they
handle
the
budget,
which
is
something
outside
necessarily
the
way
the
charter
is
in
charge
of.
Perhaps
the
charter
could
perhaps
be
tweaked
council
we're
coming
up
on
the
noon
hour.
I
certainly
don't
want
to
go
long.
The
you.
E
It
might
just
really
quick
with
councilman
carlson's
point
I
mean-
and
I
think
mr
shelby
pointed
this
out,
which
is
maybe
now
with
a
budget
coming
up.
We
can
appropriate
a
certain
amount
of
dollars,
10,
whatever
thousand
dollars
a
year,
just
as
something,
and
if
we
don't
use
it,
it
goes
back
into
the
budget.
E
That's
it
in
case
of
things
like,
for
example,
this
usf
institute
again
just
have
it
there
for
issues
like
this
to
the
extent
they
would
become
relevant,
they
haven't
become
relevant
since
I've
been
on
city
council,
so
it
wouldn't
be
foreseeable
that
they
would
be
relevant,
but
at
least
to
address
that
potentially
legitimate
concern.
Just
something
to
consider
is
a
very
small
allotment,
such
as
the
usf
related
facility
facilitator.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
veer.
D
Counsel,
the
workshop
is
three
weeks
from
today
and
the
the
the
question
is:
how
does
council
want
to
conduct
it?
I
mean
the
only
thing
different
frankly
than
what
we've
already
heard
today
without
specific
details
would
be.
D
But
frankly,
I
I
do
not
have
direction
for
is
how
council
wishes
to
proceed,
because
the
direction
that
I
get
is
this
is
for
the
benefit
of
city
council
to
discuss
amongst
itself.
So
I'm
looking
for
direction.
I've
proposed
this
if
this
is
not
satisfactory,
if
the
timing
of
this
is
not
correct,
if
the
timing
of
this
is
not
right,
if
there
are,
if
it's
the.
D
View
of
counsel
that
it
needs
to
be
structured
differently
or
it
needs
to
be
handled
differently
in
light
of
what
you've
heard
today,
I
certainly
am
open
to
that.
I
apologize
for
for
putting
this
to
you
late
in
the
game,
but
I
think
after
my
decision.
F
D
You
have
public
comment
or
mr
chairman,
that
raises
another
question.
Now
that
we're
going
to
be
going
back
into
chambers,
do
you
want
to
have
public
comment
and
go
back
with
the
workshops?
We've
had
that
discussion.
There
was
some
sort
of
comments
from
the
public
about
doing
it
about
the
old
rules,
which
is
after
each
subject.
D
C
D
Right
all
right,
I
could
I'll
be
presenting
that
as
a
matter
of
fact,
council
I'd
like
to
if
you
wish
meet
with
you
individually
right
to
discuss
that
in
advance
of
this
workshop.
So
we
can
know
where
we.
C
G
Thank
you,
mr
church,
just
I
I
I'd
like
to
say
a
couple
things
number
one.
We
have
three
of
us
that
were
on
the
charter
review
committee.
Commission.
Excuse
me,
along
with
two
attorneys,
upstairs
we
were
appointed
by
city
council
members,
whether
it
be
biased
or
are
not
biased
for
have
public
input
to
how
they
wanted
their
city
to
be
run.
G
G
C
G
F
H
G
K
Chair,
thank
you.
Some
of
the
some
of
the
matters
that
I'm
going
to
propose
had
to
do
with
the
structure
of
the
city
attorney's
office.
So
at
that
point
I
would
ask
for
the
for
us
to
go
into
executive
session
or
whatever.
K
We
already
have
a
situation
where,
where
four
or
five
of
us
are
spending
tens
of
thousand
dollars
defending
ourselves,
because
the
city
attorney
office
has
decided
not
to
not
to
protect
us
and
not
to
protect
this
institution,
and
this
institution
is
being
bombarded
from
all
sides
without
any
protection,
and
if
the
city
attorney's
office
was
structured
in
a
different
way.
That
would
not
happen
there.
There
is
an
inherent
conflict
of
interest
in
the
way
the
city
attorney's
office
is
set
up,
and
we
need
to.
K
We
need
to
tweak
that
so
that
so
that
we
don't
put
future
city
council
members
at
risk
and
we
don't
put
the
public
at
risk
of
not
being
represented
by
by
fear
being
instilled
in
city
council
members.
C
C
So
it's
mainly
dis
discuss
some
of
the
issues
that
have
come
up
through
these
three
years.
That
comes
into
play
of
interpretation
and
things
like
that,
and
I
I
have
a
couple
of
recommendations
when
it
comes
to
that
and
I
got
another
recommendation
about
something
else
that's
going
on,
so
we
all
have
it's
a
discussion
and
in
each
chance
councilman
we
can
add
on
to
that
say
this
is
that
we
move
on,
but
we
need
to
move
on.
There's
a
motion
on
the
floor.
C
Mr
situations
ask
for
the
city
attorney
to
be
here,
which
is
probably
it
that's
no
problem
so
now
so
now
we've
got
mrs
carlos
has
made
the
motion.
Maniscalco
is
second
it
you
know,
and
in
reference
to
our
our
money,
I
guess
we'll
ask
them
to
give
us
the
money
or
give
us
the
money
for
the
facilitator.
We
allocate
money
all
the
time
in
the
city,
so
it's
no
different.
Now.
D
Is
it
is
that
part
of
your
motion
or
no
well,
we
got
to
get
the
money
you
have
to.
Yes,
that
yeah
you'll
have
to
work
with
the.
If
you
don't
have
the
money
in
your
budget,
you
certainly
would
have
to
do
a
budget
amendment.
C
C
D
F
E
Everybody's
contributions,
a
lot
of
people
are
speaking
and
they've
obviously
been
doing
a
lot
of
work.
And
again
I
I
promise.
As
I
know,
every
city
council
member
does
just
to
be
open-minded
and
reasonable
on
on
on
all
suggestions,
because
obviously
people
are
putting
a
lot
of
thought
and
passion
into
this,
and-
and
I
fully
respect
that.
Thank
you.
C
This
is
not
an
attack
on
the
administration.
It's
just
a
matter
of
some
of
the
things
that
have
come
up
are
interpretations
and
they're
unclear
to
everyone.
We
need
to
clear
up
a
few
things
to
make
them
clear,
so
the
public
is
clear,
we're
clear
and
we
run
a
smooth
ship.
It's
all.
This
is
about
it's
not
overthrowing
the
government.
You
know.
D
If
that
is
a
question,
then
the
question
would
be:
what
do
you
want
the
result
to
be
and
ask
the
city
attorney
what
perhaps
recommendations
she
would
make
to
change
the
language
of
the
charter
to
reflect
that
and
then,
if
that's
what
they?
If
that's,
what
you
want
in
your
ordinance,
you
present
that
to
the
mayor.
The
mayor
decides
whether
she
wants
to
do
that
or
not,
and
then
it
goes
from
there.
But
what
I'm
saying
then
is
it
could
be.