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B
B
Okay,
just
to
talk
about
the
a
discussion
by
council
of
hiring
a
facilitator
for
the
charter
workshop,
which
is
now
scheduled
for
march
24th
of
2022
and,
as
you
know,
council
has
been
talking
about
this
workshop
for
a
long
time
and
if
you've
heard
the
the
chair
talk
about
this,
it
is
primarily
a
workshop
for
council
to
discuss
the
issues
relative
to
council's
experience
of
the
charter
and,
as
we
know
as
I
stand
here,
I'm
looking
at
three
members
of
the
charter
review:
commission,
council
members,
carlson,
council,
member
citro
and
chair
goods
and
upstairs
on
the
eighth
floor.
B
We
have
in
the
legal
department.
We
have
two
members
of
the
charter
review.
Commission
we
have
deputy
city
attorney,
andrea
zellman
and
deputy
city
attorney
morris
massey,
and
what
I
I
want
to
say
then
council
is
this
in
talking
with
the
chair,
and
certainly
I
don't
put
words
in
his
mouth,
but
I
take
my
direction
from
the
chair
and
the
chair
has
made
it
very
clear
that
this
workshop
primarily
is
for
the
benefit
of
city
council.
B
So
your
workshop
is
the
opportunity
for
each
of
you
to
be
able
to
communicate
to
each
other
and
to
the
public
your
positions
as
to
the
needs,
if
any
relative
to
changing
the
charter.
Now
you
know
the
charter
was
recently
amended
and
it
took
effect
when
you
were
elected.
So
that
being
the
case,
mr
chairman,
did
you
want
to
address
that
before.
A
A
I
I
just
puzzled
me
sometimes
and
I
think
now
sitting
at
in
council.
I
see
why
the
last
council
needed
a
charter
review,
but
it
still
needs
to
be
crafted
a
little
bit,
because
a
lot
of
things
are
left
at
a
dead
end.
When
it
comes
to
interpretation,
it
comes
in
well,
we
don't
know
what
to
do
this,
but
this
is
the
interpretation.
A
That's
why
I
made
sure
that
we
said
we
needed
to
for
councilmembers
could
be
able
to
discuss
some
of
the
things
that
have
come
up
to
express
their
opinions
and
maybe
what
I
call
balancing
the
chart
to
where
we
have
a
balance
of
power,
because
sometimes
it
seems
the
scale
is
unbalanced
at
times
when
it
comes
to
interpretations
or
what
relates
to
this
council's
authority
and
power
as
it
relates
to
administration.
The
administration
has
a
job
to
do.
A
We
respect
that,
but
this
council
has
a
job
to
do
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
playing
field.
What
I
call
is,
is
level
to
make
decisions
for
the
public
and
for
the
city,
so
for
me,
being
able
to
put
some
of
the
things
that
I've
seen
and
to
be
able
to
discuss
with
this
council
to
have
a
workshop
amongst
ourselves
and
then
we'll
go
how
we
need
to
move
forward
if
we
need
to
move
forward.
A
C
You
chairman,
I
I
was
here
on
the
other
side
as
one
of
the
council
members,
along
with
mr
vieira,
mr
meniscalco,
and
the
charter
review
at
that
time
was
a
two-way
street
between
the
elected
officials
of
the
tampa
city,
council
and
the
mayor,
and
it
worked
out.
It
was
about
34
35,
maybe
36
months
ago,
I'm
not
going
to
hold
myself
to
exact
day
or
time
or
of
history.
C
However,
what
I
see
coming
in
the
speeches
that
I've
heard
here
lately
is
I'm
not
going
to
have
a
cleveland
in
the
city
of
tampa
and
cleveland's
got
17
council
members,
salary
of
88
000,
two
two
aides,
one
in
the
building
and
one
in
the
districts-
and
I
am
a
proponent
and
always
will
be
a
proponent
of
a
strong
mayor
system
and
I'll.
Tell
you
why
it
pits
point
responsibility,
bingo,
whoever
he
or
she
is
for
that
period
of
time,
is
the
one
that
sets
the
tone.
C
C
C
I'm
not
saying
that's
what's
happening
here,
don't
get
me
wrong,
but
I'm
saying
that
when
you
pinpoint
responsibility
to
a
person
that
person
takes
the
helm,
the
realm
the
opportunity
to
lead
the
charge
forward
to
make
the
city
a
better
city
that
was
when
he
or
she
took
office
and
I've
been
through
five
of
them
and
all
five
were
different.
All
five
had
different
styles.
C
All
fight
had
different
abilities,
but
all
five
had
the
same
quality
of
making
the
city
of
tampa
a
better
place
to
live,
and
the
culmination
of
what's
happening
in
tampa
today
doesn't
start
with
this
council,
or
this
mayor
doesn't
start
with
the
five
mayors
that
I
work
with
the
council
members.
It
started
many
years
ago,
one
little
brick
at
a
time.
C
It's
not
that
they
think
it's
too
low
or
too
high
it's
where
they
come
from
that
costs,
10
million,
not
five.
So
when
they
come
here,
they
pay
five
million
for
something
that
we
think
is
worth
a
million
and
they
say
look.
We
got
a
fantastic
bargain
in
tampa
and
that
spreads
just
like
the
wildfires
that
are
going
on
throughout
this
country.
That's
due
to
another
cause
that
we're
not
going
to
debate
today.
C
C
D
And
although
we
have
a
strong
mayor
former
government,
that
doesn't
mean
that
the
mayor
does
everything
and
makes
every
decision
we
have
to
have
some
balance
of
power
and
the
charter
gives
city
council
power,
but
in
the
way
that
it
is
conducted,
we
rely
heavily
on
the
legal
department.
We
rely
heavily
on
staff,
for
example.
D
You
know
the
last
mayor
would
brag
that
city
council's
only
power
is
that
they're
a
zoning
board.
We
actually
have
control
of
the
budget,
but
if
we
don't
exercise
that
power,
we
have
no
control.
If
we,
if
we
negotiate
side
deals
so
that
an
administrator,
the
last
mayor
would
negotiate
side
deals,
so
they
could
get
four
votes
and
and
the
and
the
public
really
had
no
oversight
over
the
budget.
D
We
had
an
issue
today
where
we're
asking
a
simple
question:
who
made
the
decision
not
to
put
out
for
rfp
100
million
contract
and
nothing
that
we've
been
given
today
says
who
made
that
decision?
How
and
we
have
a
duty
to
the
public
to
answer
that
question,
and
so,
if,
if
staff
or
legal
department,
whatever
can't
give
us
the
answers,
we
have
to
have
the
tools
to
be
able
to
answer
the
questions
for
the
public,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
things
I
want
to
talk
about
when
we
get
to
that
date.
D
But
what
I
would
encourage
everybody
is
to
remember
the
pregnant
pig
amendment
to
the
florida
constitution
to
protect
pregnant
pigs
by
not
putting
them
in
in
cages.
This
is
the
charter
is
our
constitution
for
our
city,
and
we
should
put
big
systemic
issues
in
there.
We
should
not
put
100
little
things.
We
should
not
put
a
pregnant
pig
clause
in
and
we
should
not
put
things
that
should
be
ordinances
or
legislation.
D
We
need
to
put
big
tweaks
there's
also
by
the
way,
and
I
have
the
audio,
I
think-
maybe
you
all
have
now
of
the
charter
view.
Commission,
those
of
us
who
are
on
it,
I
think
a
majority
of
us,
don't
recall
some
of
the
changes
that
were
ultimately
made
and
what
we
don't
know
is
several
folks
who
are
not
within
the
city
believe
that
something
was
changed
either
by
the
time
it
was
presented
to
council
or
after
before
it
was
put
on
the
ballot,
and
we
need
to
again.
D
We
don't
have
the
resources
at
city
council
to
go
back
and
do
that
forensic
audit
of
what
happened.
Technically,
we
do
have
the
chance
to
do
a
forensic
audit.
How
would
we
pay
for
it
and
how
would
it
get
staffed
and
how
would
a
firm
get
chosen
other
than
to
go
through
city
staff,
and
so
in
the
in
the?
D
I
think
this
administration
has
a
much
more
collaborative
relationship
with
city
council
than
the
prior
administration,
but
when
we
don't
agree
on
something,
if
city
council
does
not
have
the
power
to
be
able
to
implement
the
powers
that
were
already
given
by
charter,
then
we'll
fail
to
represent
the
public.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you
very
much,
and
you
know
I
I
want
to
take
ideas
as
they
come.
I
mean
I
have
a
general
principle
that
I
don't
want
any
radical
departure
from
what
we
have
now
in
in
our
system
of
government.
But
you
know
again,
I
I
I
want
to
keep
an
open
mind
on
on
all
ideas
as
they
come
and
I
look
forward
to
listening
to
everybody's
ideas.
E
You
know
one
of
my
concerns
would
be,
and
I
think
councilman
miranda
said
something
to
this
effect
is
also
the
I
don't
know
if
this
term
was
used,
or
maybe
I'm
misquoting
it,
but
the
ballooning
of
any
city
council
budget
we've
had
suggestions.
I
believe
it
was
from
our.
E
I
believe
it
was
from
the
citizens
advisory
board
on
certain
changes
that
I
just
respectfully
disagree
with,
and
I
think
at
times
when
tax
dollars
are
very
very
tight,
that
that,
looking
at
ideas
that,
if
an
implementation
would
require
a
again
again
reasonable
reasonableness
in
terms
of
additional
staff,
is
something
that
I
can
certainly
be
open
to,
but
in
terms
of
ballooning
city,
council's
personnel
budget,
for
example.
That's
something
that
upon
first
impression
I
would
not
be
supportive
of,
but
again
you
know,
I
I
have
an
open
mind.
E
I
think,
and
I
will
try
to
be
reasonable
and
fair
on
everything,
because,
obviously,
from
all
the
statements
here,
a
lot
of
people
are
putting
a
lot
of
thought
into
it,
and
I
promise
to
you
know,
be
reasonable
and
fair
in
response
to
all
of
the
suggestions
that
come
up.
But
again,
I
would
frown
upon
upon
first
impression
anything
that
would
have
any
radical
departure
from
where
we're
at
now
or
that
would,
in
my
mind,
balloon
our
personnel
budget.
But
that
being
said
open
to
just
about
everything
in
terms
of
discussion
and
whatnot.
A
Mr
veer,
I
respect
what
you're
saying,
but
I
have
to
disagree
with
a
few
points.
The
city
has
grown,
leaps
and
bounds.
A
My
office
is
overworked
even
I
have
a
new
aide
she's
getting
burnt
out
because
of
the
magnitude.
When
you
look
at
county
government
over
there,
they
have
personnel.
Mr
shelby
doesn't
have
any
personnel
to
do
anything.
Anything
some
of
these
aides
are
are
working
have
to
be
out
in
the
areas,
and
things
like
that.
A
A
A
You
don't
have
no
research
staff,
he
he's
dependent
on
what
what
the
top
tells
him.
So
I
I
hear
what
you're
saying,
but
that's
something
we
have
to
look
at,
because
I'm
gonna
ask
for
somebody
else
to
be
in
district
five,
because
my
people
are
overworked
and
everyone
knows
it.
Mr
maniscalco
you're
recognized.
F
Very
much
you
know
on
a
different
topic
from
what
we
just
talked
about.
I
knew
what
I
signed
up
for.
I
knew
what
the
job
was
going
to
be.
I
knew
what
the
salary
was
going
to
be
the
responsibilities.
They
say
it's
a
part-time
job.
It's
not
it's
a
full-time
commitment.
F
You
know,
and
I
respect
that
you
know
and
that's
how
it's
been
have
I
have
I
felt
like
I've,
not
gotten
anything
accomplished
in
seven
years.
Absolutely
not
I
think
I
have,
regardless
of
who
the
mayor
is
and
what
not
things
have
gotten
done.
F
I've
had
many
successes
I
would
say,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
it
is
a
strong
major
form
of
government.
We
are
the
city
council.
We
have
the
power
in
approving
that
budget
or
not
approving
it
or
making
modifications
or
starting
that
conversation
early
to
see
what
we
can
have
included
or
not
have
included,
but
to
radically
change
that
or
depart
from
that.
You
know
I
you
know,
of
course,
we'll
have
this
discussion
and
we'll
have
this
workshop,
but
I
knew
what
I
was
getting
myself
into.
F
I
wasn't
coming
here
to
completely
revolutionize
everything.
So
again,
I'm
open
to
conversation
and
and
whatnot,
but
you
know
one
step
at
a
time,
we'll
take
it
from
there.
Thank
you,
yeah.
A
I
don't
think
the
conversation
is
to
change
the
form
of
government.
I
think
the
conversation
is
looking
at
some
of
the
charter
points
that
we've
had
issues
with
to
to
either
make
sure
the
verbiage
is
clear.
So
I
don't
think
that
it's
a
discussion
about
changing
the
form
of
government.
Let's
get
that
clear.
I
think
the
conversation
is
some
of
the
issues
that
have
risen
from
the
child.
That
are
not
clear
and
we
have
to
define
that
for
ourselves
and
the
public.
So
I
think
that's
the
meaningful
thing
of
the
of
of
having
the
workshop.
C
A
A
I
mean
it
wasn't
a
part
of
the
conversation
with
the
last
facilitator.
I
said
on
that
and
it
was
merely,
but
that
was
a
slightly
different
process
that
process
last
time
was
basically
the
council
enacted
to
have
a
charter
review.
Commission.
The
mayor
got
people
off
mayor,
had
a
group
of
people
and
it's
a
little
bit
different
than
what
this
is
just
a
merely
a
workshop
among
council
people.
That's
not
a.
C
G
D
They
would
be
involved
at
that
point
because
they
have
to
be.
We
can't,
because
we
don't
have
our
own
staff
to
put
something
on
the
ballot
there's.
We
would
have
to
start
the
conversation
with
them.
The
idea
here
is
just
to
hear
from
the
public
and
ourselves
what
we
think
you
know
really
should
be
the
same
thing
on
the
budget.
D
You
know
what
and
to
give
them
credit
chief
bennett
had
meetings
with
us
last
year
to
go
through
what
we
thought
about
the
budget,
but
the
budget
is
one
of
our
is
our
biggest
power
in
in
the
charter.
D
The
budget
technically
should
start
with
city
council
and
then
and
then
get
to
get
feedback
from
the
from
the
administration
and
that's
the
way
the
charter
is
written
already
by
by
habit.
It's
done
the
other
way,
but
but
in
this
case
we,
you
know
we
just
like
we
do
with
other
issues.
We
come
up
with
ideas
and
then
we
we
run
them
through
the
administration
after
that,
but
including
every
department
had
it
would.
Then
we'd
have
to
define
a
week
to
go
through
that
process.
B
Council,
thank
you
for
this
conversation.
It
was
very
instructive
to
me
by
the
way,
and
also
the
public
gets
to
hear
the
views
of
the
city
council.
What
occurs
to
me,
and
it's
indicative
of
the
challenge
that
I
faced
based
on
you
know
direction
from
the
chair
and
setting
this
workshop
is
how
to
structure
it
and
and
chief
of
staff.
John
bennett
did
reach
out
to
me
to
to
inquire
as
what
the
role
is
of
the
administration
in
this
workshop
and
then
again.
Excuse
me.
B
In
discussion
with
the
chair,
we've
had
this
discussion
just
as
he's
communicated
it
to
you.
Excuse
me,
so
that's
been
my
challenge
and
in
trying
to
take
on
that
challenge.
What
I
discussed
with
the
chair
was
perhaps
the
concept
of
bringing
on
a
facilitator
and
just
to
give
you
an
instance
of
what
we
experienced.
B
What
we
had
was
we
had
a
statement
and
then
what
we
did
was
around
robin
and
the
question
is:
is
that
the
way
you
want
to
conduct
the
workshop,
because
I
don't
believe
council
will
get
value
out
of
that,
and
I
don't
know
what
the
end
product
is.
I
will
tell
you
that
in
listening
to
all
of
you,
there
is
no
consensus.
B
Quite
frankly
and
I
in
in
hearing
from
council
members
who've
come
to
me,
there's
quite
a
divergence
of
what
the
anticipation
is
for
this
workshop
and
what
value
can
be
gotten
out
of
it
and
frankly,
council
just
to
remind
you
that
the
deadline
for
final
improvement
approval
of
texts
for
placement
on
the
ballots.
B
If
you
wanted
for
the
november
8th
general
election,
it
would
be
august
23rd
of
this
year
and
if
you
want
it
for
the
march
7th
city
election,
which
is
coming
up
on
a
year
from
now
nearly
then
that's
january,
20th
of
2023
and
council,
I
believe,
is
correct
that
clearly,
the
legal
department
must
get
involved
in
this,
and
the
legal
department
has
to
get
involved
in
this.
That's
correct
and
certainly
the
legal
department
was
instrumental
working
with
saltorito.
B
As
you
know,
he
did
the
the
the
drafts
he
brought
it
to
the
the
charter
review.
Commission.
The
charter
review
commission
approved
it.
It
was
sent
to
city
council
in
ordinance
forum
and
again
mr
torito
did
that
this,
the
legal
department
did
the
interface.
Excuse
me,
working
with
the
supervisor
of
elections,
ensuring
that
the
ballot
language
and
all
the
eyes
were
dotted
and
the
t's
were
crossed.
B
So
the
the
legal
department
is
the
legal
representative
of
the
city,
the
city
attorney
is,
and
ultimately
they
are,
they
are
integral
to
the
process.
My
understanding,
in
talking
with
the
chair
is
that
this
was
council's
opportunity
for
council
to
take
it's
only
a
three.
It's
only
a
three
hour
workshop,
ideally
from
nine
to
noon,
and
that
would
include
the
opportunity
for
public
comment
for
the
public
to
talk.
So
the
question
is:
what
can
you
accomplish
in
that
time?
B
You
see,
I
also
gave
you
the
professional
profile
of
the
person
I
did
get
to
have
a
zoom
meeting
with
angela
crist
and
ann
schroeder,
the
person
who
she
recommended-
and
we
talked
about
the
issues
from
my
perspective,
but
council.
Here's.
My
point.
My
point
is
that
with
a
professional
facilitator,
nobody
drives
the
train,
but
the
professional
facilitator
in
the
sense
that
it
may
be
structured
differently
and
she
will
prepare
in
advance
for
this.
B
Certainly,
if
she
is
selected,
she
would
get
the
opportunity
to
watch
this
tape,
so
she'll
know
who
you
are
and
what
the
issues
are
and
then
plan
accordingly,
and
that
being
said,
I'm
looking
for
direction
of
of
city
council
on
this
and
I'm
open
to
discussion.
I
certainly
don't
want
to
be
perceived
as
driving
this
train.
I
certainly
don't
want
to
pre.
I
am
a
neutral
in
this
council.
B
I
do
hear
from
all
of
you
relative
to
certain
things
all
the
time
and
that
that's
okay
and
that's
fine,
but
the
truth
of
the
matter
is
it's
the
people's
charter
and
it's
the
city's
constitution
and
council
wanted
a
workshop
to
be
able
to
discuss
it
in
a
way
that
is
valuable
in
a
way
that
produces
something
at
the
end
that
you
can
all
either
move
forward
or
not,
depending
on
what
you
want.
A
B
F
B
So
yes,
it'll,
be
it'll,
be
it'll
be
that
day,
and
this
is
what
the
what
I
was
quoted
and
it
may
be
subject
to
negotiation.
I
don't
know,
but
it
was
quoted
as
four
thousand
and
seventy
dollars
for
one
one
day's
work
well.
B
To
be
pre,
well,
if
you
look
at
it,
it's
pre-planning,
and
it's
also
the
day
of,
and
it's
also
going
to
be
producing
some
completion.
B
Council
budget:
that's
a
good
question,
all
right,
no
money
by
the
way
to
remind
council
just
to
go
back
in
time
before
even
the
discussion
of
a
or
the
initial
discussion
of
the
charter
review
commission
took
place
way
in
advance
and
the
city
council,
in
its
wisdom,
put
money
into
the
budget
next
year's
budget
for
the
purposes
of
planning
for
a
charter
review
commission.
If
it
chose
to
do
it
and
that's
how
far
in
advance
they
planned
that.
B
A
A
C
B
Know
well,
this
was
done
on
on
after
talking
with
angela
crist
and
she
investigated.
This
is
the
person
she
recommended.
I
I
talked
with
other
people
they
weren't
available.
I
was
asked
to
ask
if
marilyn
crotty
were
available.
She
was
not.
This
was
done
on
short
notice,
relatively
short
notice
relative
to
this
date,.
C
A
D
I
was
not
involved
in
that
process
at
all,
but,
as
I
recall,
the
former
council
or
staff
went
to
this
same
usf
institute
and,
and
this
usf
institute
is
very
highly
respected
and
seen
as
a
neutral
arbitrator
of
issues
and
with
government
agencies,
and
when
the
when
the
former
council
engaged
usf
usf
then
found
maryland
karate
and
she
was
a
subcontractor
to
usf
and
so
it
it
appears
that
mr
shelby's
followed
the
same
process
that
was
done
for
the
charter
review.
Commission,
however,
miss
crotty
has
retired,
I
think,
or
something.
B
D
Is
if
you,
as
I
understand
you,
can
go
to
a
government
agency
in
this
case
we're
not
hiring
her
directly
we're
going
to
a
government
agency,
and
the
government
agency
is
choosing
this
person.
B
And
that's
that's
what
we
did
the
last
time.
Yes,.
D
I
would
recommend
a
a
facilitator
just
so
it's
not
biased
in
any
way
and
and
so
the
information
come
out.
If
we
decide
not
to
do
anything,
that's
fine,
but
you
all
who
are
on
the
charter
review
commission
will
remember
that.
Luckily
now
we
have
a,
I
think,
a
pretty
neutral
city
attorney,
but
the
last
city
attorney,
who
was
not
a
part
of
this,
that
committee
at
all
martin
shelby,
was
designated
as
the
attorney
to
represent
charter
view.
Commission,
no,
that's
not
true!
Actually,
no.
A
D
Actually
screamed
at
me
and
and
turned
red
face
and
screamed
to
me
and
said
you're
trying
to
change
the
strong
mayor
former
government,
and
I
said-
and
I
said
that's
what
city
council
asked
us
to
do
and
he
and
he
screamed
at
me
again
and
said:
no,
they
did
it
and
I
said,
look
at
the
instruction
document
like
point
number
three
or
whatever
it
was.
I
read
off
the
written
instructions
that
city
council
had
given
us
to
try
to,
and
one
of
the
main
instructions
was
to
try
to
balance
the
powers
and
he
would
not.
D
Let
me
make
move
forward
on
any
motions
pretty
much
related
to
that,
and
so
whatever
the
charter
view
ended
up
with,
it
was
partly
biased
because
there
was
not
a
neutral
party
helping
us
guide
us
through
the
process,
and
then
we
don't
know
if
anything
was
changed
after
that
we
still
got
to
do
an
audit
on
that,
but
an
example
of
a
problem.
There's
many
things.
I
think
some
of
us
would
like
to
do
an
investigation
on
including
some
issues
that
we're
supposed
to
be
discussed.
Today.
D
We
have
a
right
by
charter
to
have
an
investigation,
but
who's
going
to
pay
for
it.
Where's
the
budget
going
to
come
from
who's
going
to
manage
it
from
a
city
council,
point
of
view,
there's
no
apparatus
and
if
the,
if,
if
it
happens,
that
the
strong
mayor
administration
is
a
as
it
has
a
difference
of
opinion
with
city
council,
there's
no
there's
no
method
for
us
to
to
look
at
anything
and
I'm
not
suggesting
that
we
go
out
and
and
implement
it.
D
A
Right,
but
we
have
no
money
for
this
council
to
operate.
We
have
no
money,
okay,
but
anybody
says
our
money
is
very,
very
small.
So
if
even
if
you
say
you
needed
to
do
something
or
we
needed
to
hire
somebody,
we've
got
to
go.
Ask
somebody
else
to
give
us
some
money
versus
this
council
doesn't
have
any
money
to
really
operate
and
that's
kind
of
problem.
I
have
the
dollars
and
cents
a
little
bit
if
we
need
to
do
something.
I
got
to
go
big
to
somebody
else
to
give
me
some
money
versus.
A
We
should
have
our
own
budget
with
budgetary
money,
that's
substantial,
so
we
can
operate
and
the
citizens
financial
committee
even
said
that
that
we
are
under
budgeted.
They
even
told
us
that
we're
under
budget
and
that's
a
problem-
I
really
do-
have
that
we
are
under
budget
I'll.
Go
mr
shelby
and
I'll
go
with
mr
vieira.
B
Mr
chairman,
those
are
all
budgetary
issues
and
that's
something
that
you
can
actually
work
with
in
the
budget,
but
then
it
comes
to
how
council
approaches
how
they
handle
the
budget,
which
is
something
outside
necessarily
the
way
the
charter
is
in
charge
of.
Perhaps
the
charter
could
perhaps
be
tweaked
council
we're
coming
up
on
the
noon
hour.
I
certainly
don't
want
to
go
long.
The
you.
A
E
In
my
interest,
really
quick
with
councilman
carlson's
point,
I
mean-
and
I
think
mr
shelby
pointed
this
out,
which
is
maybe
now
with
a
budget
coming
up.
We
can
appropriate
a
certain
amount
of
dollars,
10,
whatever
thousand
dollars
a
year,
just
as
something,
and
if
we
don't
use
it,
it
goes
back
into
the
budget.
E
That's
it
in
case
of
things
like,
for
example,
this
usf
institute
again
just
have
it
there
for
issues
like
this
to
the
extent
they
would
become
relevant,
they
haven't
become
relevant
since
I've
been
on
city
council,
so
it
wouldn't
be
foreseeable
that
they
would
be
relevant,
but
at
least
to
address
that
potentially
legitimate
concern.
Just
something
to
consider
is
a
very
small
allotment,
such
as
the
usf
related
facility
facilitator.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
beer.
B
Counsel,
the
workshop
is
three
weeks
from
today
and
the
the
the
question
is:
how
does
council
want
to
conduct
it?
I
mean
the
only
thing
different
frankly
than
what
we've
already
heard
today
without
specific
details
would
be.
B
But
frankly,
I
I
do
not
have
direction
for
is
how
council
wishes
to
proceed,
because
the
direction
that
I
get
is
this
is
for
the
benefit
of
city
council
to
discuss
amongst
itself.
So
I'm
looking
for
direction.
B
I've
proposed
this
if
this
is
not
satisfactory,
if
the
timing
of
this
is
not
correct,
if
the
timing
of
this
is
not
right,
if
there
are,
if
it's
the
view
of
council,
that
it
needs
to
be
structured
differently
or
it
needs
to
be
handled
differently
in
light
of
what
you've
heard
today,
I
certainly
am
open
to
that.
I
apologize
for
for
putting
this
to
you
late
in
the
game,
but
I
think
after
my
decision.
D
Chair
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
the
hiring.
F
B
To
go
right,
oh
you
have
publicly
a
public
comment
or
mr
chairman,
that
raises
another
question.
Now
that
we're
going
to
be
going
back
into
chambers,
do
you
want
to
have
public
comment
and
go
back
with
the
workshops?
We've
had
that
discussion.
There
was
some
sort
of
comments
from
the
public
about
doing
it
about
the
old
rules,
which
is
after
each
subject.
B
B
F
So
the
specific
topics
on
this
workshop
day
will
be
this
charter
discussion
with
the
facilitator
and
then
the
draft
ordinance
regarding
the
citizens
review
board
discretion
to
hire,
retain
independent
council,
and
you
still
want
that
to
move
forward.
A
A
B
Right
all
right,
I
could
I'll
be
presenting
that
as
a
matter
of
fact,
council
I'd
like
to
if
you
wish
meet
with
you
individually
right
to
discuss
that
in
advance
of
this
workshop.
So
we
can
know
where
we
are.
A
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Just
I
I
I
like
to
say
a
couple
things
number
one.
We
have
three
of
us
that
were
on
the
charter
review
committee.
Commission.
Excuse
me,
along
with
two
attorneys,
upstairs
we
were
appointed
by
city
council
members,
whether
it
be
biased
or
are
not
biased
for
have
public
input
to
how
they
wanted
their
city
to
be
run.
G
G
Also
from
the
last
charter
review
commission,
we
also
put
in
place
for
the
next
charter
review
commission
to
be
brought
up
and
I
believe,
that's
in
six
years,
yeah
give
or
take
seven
six
six
or
six,
so
we're
we're
midway
through
and
now
we
kind
of
want
to
change
horses
in
the
middle
of
the
stream
granted.
We
can
always
take
a
look
at
the
charter.
A
G
G
A
G
G
B
D
Chair,
thank
you.
Some
of
the
some
of
the
matters
that
I'm
going
to
propose
had
to
do
with
the
structure
of
the
city
attorney's
office.
So
at
that
point
I
would
ask
for
the
for
us
to
go
into
executive
session
or
whatever.
D
D
We
already
have
a
situation
where,
where
four
or
five
of
us
are
spending
tens
of
thousand
dollars
defending
ourselves,
because
the
city
attorney
office
has
decided
not
to
not
to
protect
us
and
not
to
protect
this
institution,
and
this
institution
is
being
bombarded
from
all
sides
without
any
protection,
and
if
the
city
attorney's
office
was
structured
in
a
different
way.
That
would
not
happen
there.
There
is
an
inherent
conflict
of
interest
in
the
way
the
city
attorney's
office
is
set
up
and
we
need
to.
D
We
need
to
tweak
that
so
that
so
that
we
don't
put
future
city
council
members
at
risk
and
we
don't
put
the
public
at
risk
of
not
being
represented
by
by
fear
being
instilled
in
city
council
members.
E
A
A
That
comes
into
play
of
interpretation
and
things
like
that,
and
I
I
have
a
couple
of
recommendations
when
it
comes
to
that
and
I
got
another
recommendation
about
something
else
that's
going
on,
so
we
all
have
a
it's
a
discussion,
any
chance
councilman
we
can
add
on
to
that
say
this
is
that
we
move
on,
but
we
need
to
move
on.
There's
a
motion
on
the
floor.
Mr
citrus
asked
for
the
city
turner
to
be
here,
which
is
probably
that's
no
problem
so
now
so
now
we've
got
mr
carlos
has
made
the
motion.
A
Maniscalco
is
checking
it.
You
know,
and
in
reference
to
our
our
money,
I
guess
we'll
ask
them
to
give
us
the
money
or
give
us
the
money
for
the
facilitator.
We
allocate
money
all
the
time
in
this
city,
so
it's
no
different.
Now.
B
It's
so
is
that
part
of
your
motion
or
no
well.
We
got
to
get
the
money
you
have
to.
Yes,
that
yeah
you'll
have
to
work
with
the.
If
you
don't
have
the
money
in
your
budget,
you
certainly
would
have
to
do
a
budget
amendment.
I.
A
A
A
B
E
This
was
thank
you,
sir,
and
I
appreciate
everybody's
contributions.
A
lot
of
people
are
speaking
and
they've
obviously
been
doing
a
lot
of
work.
And
again
I
I
promise.
As
I
know,
every
city
council
member
does
just
to
be
open-minded
and
reasonable
on
on
on
all
suggestions,
because
obviously
people
are
putting
a
lot
of
thought
and
passion
into
this,
and-
and
I
fully
respect
that,
thank
you.
A
This
is
not
an
attack
on
the
administration,
it's
just
a
matter
of
some
of
the
things
that
have
come
up
are
interpretations
and
they're
unclear
to
everyone,
and
we
need
to
clear
up
a
few
things
to
make
them
clear.
So
the
public
is
clear,
we're
clear
and
we
run
a
smooth
ship.
That's
all
this
is
about
it's
not
overthrowing
the
government.
You
know.
B
If
that
is
a
question,
then
the
question
would
be:
what
do
you
want
the
result
to
be
and
ask
the
city
attorney
what
perhaps
recommendation
she
would
make
to
change
the
language
of
the
charter
to
reflect
that
and
then,
if
that's
what
they?
If
that's,
what
you
want
in
your
ordinance,
you
present
that
to
the
mayor.
The
mayor
decides
whether
she
wants
to
do
that
or
not,
and
then
it
goes
from
there.
But
what
I'm
saying
then
is
it
could
be.
It
will
be
helpful
to
have
the
city
attorney
involved
in
this.