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No,
we
don't
need
any
swearing
in
I.
Don't
see
anybody
else,
that's
going
to
give
evidence,
ladies
and
gentlemen.
I
just
need
to
make
sure
of
one
thing:
we're
going
to
go
Gen
to
item
number
69,
first,
that
it
was
being
continued
until
this
time.
If
there
is
anyone
that
is
going
to
be
giving
any
evidence
to
that
to
agenda
item
number
69
file,
number
ab2-22-19.
Would
you
please
re
rise
and
raise
your
right
hand
to
be
sworn
in?
C
D
Senior
assistant,
City
attorney
item
number
69,
I
believe
in
Miss
Mandel
can
confirm
all
of
this,
but
I
believe
the
applicant
is
going
to
be
removing
their
request
for
off-premises
consumption.
From
this
request,
in
light
of
the
fact
that
you
know,
state
law
doesn't
require
off-premises
consumption
in
order
to
do
the
alcohol
to
go
and
in
light
of
in
response
to
council's
comments,
and
so
rather
than
it,
this
being
first,
a
second
reading
of
this
ordinance
and
adoption.
E
F
G
Sorry
so
I
just
heard
was
what
Miss
Susan
Johnson
Velez
stated.
Is
it
my
understanding
that
this
is
going
to
be
the
first
reading
or
it's
going
to
go
back
to
First
reading
this.
G
Got
it
okay,
so.
H
I'm
sorry
Mr
Shelby.
Does
that
mean
we
have
to
have
a
full
presentation
on
the
first
reading,
because
you're
really
just
making
an
adjustment
that's
less
than
what
it
was
the
first
time
around.
Does
that
mean
you
could
just
send
it
back
to
First
reading
or
you
have
to
have
another
first
reading,
a
public
hearing.
D
Pardon
this
could
be
that
this
could
be
that
that
well,
we
already
had
the
presentation
they're
just
reducing
their
requests
right.
H
D
H
G
Yes,
Annie
Barnes
development
coordination,
so
item
number
69
is
av2
2219
being
presented
now
for
first
reading
for
special
use,
two
for
alcoholic
beverage
sales
for
a
large
venue,
consumption
on
premises
for
beer,
one
and
liquor
located
at
450,
Channelside
Drive,
so
site
plans
were
dropped
off
at
City
Hall.
Earlier
this
week
there
will
be
need
to
be
a
modification
to
any
mention
of
off-premises
consumption.
On
the
current
site
plan
between
this
first
reading
and
second
reading.
E
I
For
the
record,
Julie
Mandel,
with
the
law
firm
of
gray,
Robinson,
401,
East,
Jackson,
Street,
Tampa
Florida,
as
you've
heard,
Miss,
Johnson,
Velez
and
Ms
Barnes
indicate
we
are
requesting
that
this
item
be
taken
back
to
First
reading,
so
that
we
can
remove
the
off-premises
package
sales.
As
I
said
earlier,
and
was
discussed
at
the
first
reading.
It
is
not
the
desire
to
do
any
off-site
package
sales.
The
only
intent
was
to
do
to
go.
I
Orders
of
alcohol
as
part
of
the
restaurant
license
that
they
have
with
the
state
I
would
say
for
the
record
that
all
the
testimony
and
evidence
that
was
put
into
the
record
at
first
at
the
previous
first
reading
hearing
be
placed
into
this
record
as
well,
and
we
would
just
seek
your
approval
with
this
change
and
I'm
available
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
to.
C
B
J
K
C
L
I
have
an
ordinance
being
presented
for
first
reading,
an
ordinance
approving
a
special
use,
permit
su-2
for
alcoholic
beverage
sales,
large
venue,
consumption
on-premises
only
and
making
lawful
the
sales
of
beverages,
regardless
of
alcoholic
content,
beer
wine
and
liquor
at
or
from
that
certain
lot
plot,
where
tract
of
land
located
at
450
Channelside
Drive
is
more
particularly
described
in
Section
3.
Providing
that
all
ordinances
are
parts
of
ordinances
in
Conflict
are
repealed,
repealing
ordinance,
number
2014-91,
providing
an
effect
positions
with
with
the
revisions
between
first
and
second
reading,
motion.
C
E
C
B
D
I'm
sure
I
am
not
aware
of
any
continuance
requests
for
this
item.
Previously,
it
looks
like
it
was
just
scheduled
on
October
6th.
For
today
it.
C
And
then
and
hope,
hopefully
the
petitioner
will
be
notified.
Yes,.
C
Thank
you,
my
promotion
from
councilman
Maniscalco
to
continue
this
case
or
excuse
me
to
move
it
to
January
19
second
did
by
councilman
Miranda,
all
in
favor
any
opposed.
Thank
you.
Agenda.
Item
number
73
file.
Number
e
2022-8
chapter
27.,
miss
doc.
How
are
you
I.
M
Am
good,
thank
you
so
much
Council,
lashon
doc,
development
coordination
and
Council
item
73
is
privately
initiated
text
Amendment.
There
are
two
privately
initiated
text
amendments
that
I
will
introduce
to
you
today.
One
I
do
appreciate
your
time
and
allowing
us
to
come
before
you
to
request
these.
M
So,
as
you
know
currently,
in
the
code
privately
initiated
text
amendments
are
not
allowed.
This
is
the
last
batch
of
privately
initiated
amendments
and
the
first
one
that
I
will
introduce
to
you
is
the
one
for
the
East
Tampa
overlay.
This
is
a
part
of
the
January
cycle,
the
January
2022
Amendment
cycle.
The
applicant
is
the
East
Tampa
CRA
in
the
East
Tampa
CAC.
M
This
is
a
map
of
the
East
Tampa
overlay.
District
of
that
area.
You
can
see
the
Northern
boundary
jogs,
but
it
is
approximately
in
the
vicinity
north
of
East
Hillsborough.
The
Interstate
275
is
the
western
boundary,
along
with
it
being
the
southern
boundary,
and
then
it
goes
over
to
56th,
Street
and
jogs.
With
the
city
line
on
the
east.
M
So
the
request
is
to
one
provided
clean
up
for
the
items
that
are
listed
in
section
27-156,
which
is
our
use
table.
We're
moving
the
accessory
dwelling
unit,
that's
listed
into
the
correct
use
group
category
in
that
table
the,
and
that
is
a
change
that
is
from
recommended
by
staff.
The
other
change
would
be
to
allow
accessory
dwelling
units
as
a
special
use
for
properties
located
within
the
East
Tampa
overlay.
M
M
M
This
also
would
include
a
change
regarding
chain
link
fences,
and
these
are
new
chain
link,
fences
and
existing
would
be
allowed
to
remain,
but
the
installation
of
new
chain
link
would
be
prohibited
and
then
also
the
last
change
proposed
is
for
the
residential
section.
Is
the
two-story
accessory
structures
they
can
be
approved?
If
it
is
the
president
of
the
block.
M
Now,
here
the
non-residential
standards,
so
this
is
for
commercial
or
mixed
use,
development,
we're
adding
a
cleanup
regarding
the
site
plan
submission
and
what
is
required
to
submit
for
your
review
for
the
overlay
District
standards
it'll
be
like
any
other
location,
you're
required
to
give
a
landscape
plan
in
elevations.
It's
just
clarifying
that
in
the
code
the
front
yard
build
to
line
would
be
arranged
instead
of
an
average,
because
currently
it's
it,
the
average
the
front
yard
block
average
applies
to
both
residential
and
non-residential
development.
M
The
principal
building
facade,
the
orientation
of
that
would
be
amended.
Minimum
requirement
for
sidewalks
our
screening
requirements,
accessory
structures,
parking
standards
and
requirements
would
be
established
through
parking
trade-offs,
which
is
always
encouraged
by
staff.
Whenever
there's
an
amendment
coming
forward
and
then
sign
standards.
Lastly,
is
what
would
be
presented
to
you.
So
this
request,
as
I
mentioned,
the
applicant
is
the
East
Tampa
CRA,
along
with
the
CAC,
so
we
have
Mr
Cedric
McRae
here,
who
is
the
East
Tampa
CRA
manager
he's
available
in
case?
There
are
any
questions
and
we
have
Kim
Hedland
here.
M
M
Would
change
that
and
it
would
allow
the
allow
it
as
a
special
use.
Okay,.
L
M
The
for
properties
located
within
the
East
Tampa
overlay-
it
was
a
desire
of
the
community,
is
what
I
understand,
and
we
understand
also
that
that
discussion
is
happening
with
Council
simultaneously
with
staff
with
City
Planning,
along
with
development
coordination.
But
this
was
a
wish
to
include
it
in
this
language
and,
whichever
is
adopted
first
would
apply
and.
L
N
I'm,
cautious,
you
know
we
haven't
approved
adus
yet
in
the
city,
so
I
don't
know
why
we're
trying
to
approve
it.
Now
we
haven't
approved
it
for
the
city,
yet
I'm,
cautious,
that
I
just
don't
want
a
certain
part
of
town
to
be
thrown
with
adus,
and
it
continues
to
have
slum
and
blight
because
to
me
it
brings
on
more
transients
people
in
and
out
and
I
want
to
be
cautious
of.
N
When
we
talk
about
the
special
tell
me
when
we're
saying
special
use,
because
what
I
don't
want
is
people
say,
I
can
just
put
up
anything
everywhere
because
you're
not
going
to
do
it
in
other
other
parts
of
the
city.
You
can't
tell
me
that's
going
to
happen,
even
though
we
have
an
affordable
housing
crisis,
but
my
concern
is
just
it's
to
me
to
be
a
dubbing
ground
on
the
east
side
of
town
and
messing
with
property
values
and
values
of
people's
homes.
M
Absolutely
councilman
good
time
and
I
can
certainly
understand
your
concern,
just
also
I'd,
like
to
mention
and
just
to
keep
in
mind
that
currently
in
the
in
certain
Special
Districts
like
in
Seminole
Heights,
you
are
allowed
to
have
that
use,
but
it
is
limited
to
that
and
then
it's
limited
to
two
other
areas
in
the
city
which
is
specified
within
our
use
table.
So
this
would,
yes
include
the
East
Tampa
overlay
area
to
allow
it
but
a
special
use.
M
What
that
is
is
you
would
have
to
apply
for
application
through
the
development
coordination
office,
and
it
is
an
administrative
review
and
there
are
certain
standards
that
must
be
met
and
you
would
apply
that
way.
They
all
don't
come
before
Council
unless,
for
whatever
reason
is
denied-
and
it
comes
before
you
on
a
pill
but.
N
Other
than
that
I'm
just
cautious
of
it
we've
seen,
especially
but
I'm
just
cautious.
We
have
not
approved
it
for
the
whole
city
yet
and
I
understand
that
certain
areas
when
I
saw
the
presentation
will
not
be
included
so
I'm
I'm,
I'm
kind
of
torn
right
now
to
somebody
just
throwing
a
bunch
of
adus
on
the
east
side
of
town,
but
I'll,
listen
to
the
presentation
but
I'm,
very
hesitant.
Right
now.
K
Good,
thank
you
councilman
Miranda,
thank
you
just
just
for
the
Public's
cheering
on
on
television
or
whatever
explain
to
the
public.
It's
when
Adu
is
just
so
that
they
understand.
What's
going.
M
K
K
M
K
So
yeah
I'm
not
against
what
we're
trying
to
achieve,
but
what
I
am
very
apprehensive
about.
Is
that
in
essence,
it's
a
lot.
That's
on
residential.
That
now
has
a
duplex
which
is
no
longer
residential
and
I
hate
to
say
this,
but
I
will
in
some
instances
not
in
maybe
in
distances
or
never
happen,
but
some
instances
are
rented
out.
They
don't
pay
any
Avalon
tax
at
a
higher
degree.
They
don't
pay
any
sales
tax
and
they
don't
pay
any
tax
to
the
government
because
they
pocket
the
cash
money
and
I've
heard
complaints.
K
F
K
I've
experienced
that
through
people
have
called
my
office
in
the
last
couple
of
years
and
you're
welcome
to
have
the
records
that
I
have
you
want
to
look
at
them.
M
And
councilman
Miranda
I
certainly
understand
their
concern,
and
we
understand-
and
we
explained
it
to
the
applicant-
that
this
Adu
discussion
is
ongoing.
Council
has
not
decided
either
way.
We
still
have
this
language
that
is
moving
before
you
as
a
publicly
initiated
Amendment,
along
with
this
one
running
as
a
privately
initiated
so
and
the
applicant
understood,
whichever
would
take
effect
first
is
what
would
be
in
place
or
they
could
hold
back.
K
K
You,
then,
you
have
to
have
this
form
before
you
can
grant
it
some
something's
going
to
happen,
because
I
can
understand
what
you're
saying
but
I'm
a
little
apprehensive
of
what
I've
seen
in
certain
areas
of
the
Town,
especially
where
I
live
at,
where
one
day
is
a
house
with
a
front
door,
the
next
day's,
a
house
with
two
side,
doors
and
a
front
door.
K
Then
it's
a
sidewalk
laying
around
with
a
lock
on
the
outside,
like
a
door
handle
not
a
lock
a
door
handle
with
a
key
and
then
there's
a
little
plastic
fence.
Then,
on
the
other
side,
is
the
middle
plastic
fence
with
another
door
going
in
and
what
you
have
is
a
beehive
one
Hive
with
a
lot
of
bees.
One
house
divided
into
four:
that's
what
I'm
saying
and
this
is
going
on-
and
it's
been
a
problem
as
far
as
the
schools
are
collecting
no
tax
on
it,
because
the
tax
is
just
a
city.
K
Tax
adds
alarm
tax.
There's
the
county
pays
their
portion,
but
the
school
board's
getting
cheated
out.
When
you
look
at
your
taxes
and
I'm,
not
a
tax
expert,
you
look
at
the
county.
You
look
at
the
cities
that
below
tax
is
about
the
same
at
the
school
board.
It's
twice
the
amount.
What
the
county
gets
you
if
you
get
the
counties
in
the
cities,
sums
are
the
digits
equal.
What
the
school
board
should
be
getting,
so
the
school
board
is
getting
cheated
out
and
I'm
not
here
about
you.
Please.
K
Let
me
understand
that
they're
getting
cheated
out
of
that
money
and
then
the
federal
government
they
pay
no
tax
at
all
on
money.
They
collect
from
rent
and
I'm.
Not
saying
this
is
the
case,
but
I
can
understand
Mr,
Good's
apprehension
to
some
point,
because
it's
it
rampant
throughout
parts
of
the
city,
and
it's
got
to
stop
so
I.
Don't
wanna
I,
don't
want
to
give
someone
an
opportunity
that
could
do
it
something.
M
Absolutely
and
keeping
in
mind
also
Council,
that,
as
you
have
this
discussion
regarding
the
adus
and
as
the
vote
is
made
as
to
the
requirements
for
the
Adu,
it
can
certainly
take
place
over.
You
know
whether
it's
Citywide
or
by
area
whichever
is
decided
upon,
but
if
it
is
city-wide
or
if
you'd
like
to
have
it
even
take
effect
over
the
overlays,
that
portion
of
this
request
would
be
removed.
M
We
still
have
time
I'm
going
to
review
with
you
also
the
processing
schedule.
This
is
the
workshop,
so
this
is
the
very
beginning
of
this
code.
Language
I
believe
the
Adu
discussion
and
vote
will
occur
before
this
comes
back
before
you
for
first
reading,
but
we
do
have
that
opportunity
to
remove
it
if
needed,
or
to
amend
it.
Based
upon
the
vote
on
the
overall
Adu
discussion.
M
O
O
Hedland
I
have
served
over
the
last
two
years
as
the
land
use
chair
for
the
East
Tampa
partnership
I've
had
the
privilege
of
serving
in
the
past
past
decade
on
and
off
the
CAC,
these
Tampa
CAC,
so
a
little
bit
of
History
regarding
how
we
how
we
came
here
back
in
2016
under
the
under
Miss
Evangeline
best
who
was
the
chair
at
the
time
the
land
use
committee
began
to
look
at
the
overlay
and
some
of
the
things
that
were
happening
in
East
Tampa
and
there
was
a
directive
to
go
ahead
and
have
the
committee
Begin
work
on
looking
at
revisions
to
this
overlay
in
2018,
the
CAC
at
the
time
approved
funding
to
apply
for
the
privately
initiated
text
Amendment
and
a
draft
was
submitted
in
2019
City
staff
made
recommendations
based
on
that
draft
and
requested
an
executive
summary
of
changes.
O
This
draft
was
then
tabled
between
2019
and
2021,
as
the
CAC
tackled
other
bigger
issues
that
the
community
needed
to
deal
with
at
that
time.
At
the
end
of
last
year,
I
was
asked
as
land
use
chair,
to
take
a
look
at
the
overlay.
Again,
we
brought
it
back
since
this
since
October
of
2021.
We
have
presented
this
and
taken
feedback
from
the
community
at
two
partnership
meetings
and
a
separate
CC
meeting.
O
So
a
little
bit
about
the
changes
I
will
give
a
broad
overview
comparable
to
what
you've
just
heard.
So
again,
the
allowance
of
adus
within
the
East
Tampa
overlay,
the
lots
of
record
is
clarified
in
the
overlay
setback
and
orientation.
It
is
a
rain.
It's
a
range
is
given
to
give
a
little
bit
more
flexibility
to
folks
that
are
providing
infill
housing,
permitted,
carport
carports
within
three
foot
of
the
of
the
property
line
and
garage
locations.
The
two
foot
setback
as
as
miss
doc
outlined
alley.
O
O
Maybe
there
we
go
so
the
community
was
very
interested
in
ensuring
that
the
front
of
the
home,
the
focus,
remained
on
the
front
of
the
home,
which
is
where
the
two
foot
setback
came
into
play,
so
that
language
has
been
added
to
the
the
documents
again
carports
being
allowed
within
three
foot
of
the
property
line,
so
that
infill
housing
can
be
as
compatible
with
the
community
as
possible.
O
The
allowance
for
use
of
the
alley
for
parking
if
the
alley
is
not
vacated.
This
is
not
a
requirement.
This
is
only
encouraged
and
is
optional.
O
We
looked
at
the
transparency
requirements
which
the
way
that
the
overlay
revisions
are
written,
the
the
committee
and
the
community
was
interested
in
ensuring
that
there
weren't
a
lot
of
blank
walls
and
septet
issues
that
that
were
kind
of
proliferated
throughout
East
Tampa.
So
this
would
require
windows
or
doors
on
all
sides
of
residential
structures,
with
a
minimum
transparency
of
15
percent,
so
basically
that
one
wall
would
have
a
small
window
on
it
adus.
O
O
Those
were
the
changes
proposed
on
the
residential
side
of
the
overlay.
On
the
non-residential
side,
we
looked
at
transparency
requirements,
setback,
orientations
and
ranges,
sidewalks,
open
storage,
screening,
parking
requirements.
O
Sign
standards,
adaptive
reuse
of
existing
buildings
and
neighborhood
main
streets
and
those
two
last
items
were
were
really
looked
at
in
collaboration
with
the
economic
development
committee
to
ensure
that
that
new
development
would
be
as
compatible
with
with
what
we
have,
but
also
that
existing
small
business
owners
existing
existing
stakeholders
are
able
to
adapt
and
modify
their
properties
without
being
penalized
or
without
having
to
find
really
excessive
solutions
to
to
items
such
as
parking
jumping
back
to
the
fencing,
no
new
chain
link
for
new
non-residential
development.
O
O
O
Principal
facades,
so
main
entries
shall
face
the
right-of-way
or
the
entry
Courtyard
and
create
that
street
Edge.
You
can
see
one
option
on
the
right
there
that
addresses
the
the
streetscape
main
streets.
So
the
the
one
kind
of
big
change
here
is
that
the
main
streets
are
designated
to
coordinate
with
the
community
strategic
action
plan
and
incentivized
Redevelopment
opportunities
were
created
in
terms
of
parking
reductions
available
for
adaptive,
reuse
or
just
reuse
of
existing
buildings
or
businesses.
That
change
that
may
have
different
parking
needs.
O
There's
an
incentivization
there
for,
for
that
Redevelopment
again
the
parking
reductions
that
we
just
that
I
just
went
over
again,
encouraging
that
adaptive
reuse,
encouraging
that
neighborhood
commercial
and
improvements
to
existing
buildings
and
sort
of
embracing
multimodal
transit.
In
that
way,.
O
And
those
are
the
corridors
that
were
identified
as
part
of
the
updated
strategic
action
plan
and
they've
been
outlined
again
as
part
of
that
non-residential
section
of
the
of
the
overlay
or
the
requested
changes
to
the
overlay
and
then
finally,
the
setback
range
similar
to
the
residential
section.
This
creates
a
range
instead
of
the
block
averaging
and
it
gives
a
little
bit
more
flexibility
to
developers,
while
still
creating
that
cohesive
block
that
addresses,
addresses
the
street
Edge
and
hopefully
creates
a
new
infill
development.
O
That's
as
compatible
as
possible
with
the
East
Tampa
community,
I
guess,
I'm
open
for
any
questions.
C
L
If
you
could,
if
we
could
do
that,
you
know
with
some
of
these
proposed
changes
to
make
15th
look
more
like
Columbus,
Drive
or
in
regards
to
another
thing:
was
the
the
chain
link
fences
making
them
where
they
not
existing
chain
links,
but
anything
new
that
it
matches
that
it's
compatible
I,
think
that
would
offer
some
kind
of
beautification
some
kind
of
uniformity.
L
You
know
this
is
this
is
wonderful
and
when
I
say
wonderful
is
we
have
you
know
the
zoning?
A
lot
of
the
zoning
laws
came
into
play,
I!
Think
in
the
1980s,
and
before
that
you
know
there,
the
codes
weren't
or
we
didn't
have
the
codes
for
smarter
development
and
looking
at
these
proposed
changes
within
the
overlay,
it
will
allow
us
to
improve
the
quality
of
life,
improve
the
quality
of
the
neighborhood.
L
The
look
The
feel
the
safety
The
Wider
sidewalks
the
complete
streets
projects,
I
mean
there's
just
so
many
things
that
would
be
transformative
in
the
sense
that
you're
improving
the
quality
for
the
people
that
are
there
and
increase
property
values.
It
looks
better,
it's
safer,
I
mean
there's
just
so
many
things
and
you've
touched
on
a
lot
of
stuff.
So
thank
you
very
much.
K
F
K
Not
I
agree
with
Mr
Maniscalco
up
to
a
point
when
you
showed
you
showed
a
Columbus
Drive,
which
it
does
look
very
nice
and
I
use
it
quite
often,
and
then
you
show
the
next.
The
next
set
was
on
the
15th
Street
and
26th
Avenue.
That's
one
has
the
there's
a
there's
use
during
the
one
corner
there
used
to
be
a
feed
store.
Then
it
was
a
drugstore
called
ideal
sundry.
K
O
K
I
understand
but
I
when
I
saw
that
I
said
either.
I
was
blind
when
I
drove
through
my
memory's
gone
with
me,
but
I
I
looked
at
that
I
said
very
nice,
but
I
wish
it
was
here,
but
it's
not,
but
the
other
ones.
I
know
very
well.
I
were
raised
in
those
neighborhoods,
so
it's
I
like
what
you're
saying.
However,
you
allowed
the
chain
link
fence
in
residential
and
there's
a
reason
for
that.
In
my
part,
the
reason
is,
you
can
see
on
the
other
side
of
the
fancy
who's
there.
K
O
I
I
think
it's
important
to
note
with
the
fencing
revisions
that
are
being
proposed
at
any
front
yard.
Fencing
would
have
to
match
with
the
city
of
Tampa
requires
which,
if
it
is
a
closed
fence,
say
a
closed
picket
fence
that
in
the
front,
it
has
to
remain
at
three
foot
that
it
can
only
go
higher
in
the
back.
O
K
Understand,
but
when
you
see
and
I
I
got
the
two
feet,
the
three
feet:
that's
wonderful!
It
looks
very
nice
and
you're
right,
the
setback
on
a
plastic
fence
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
panel
offenses.
However,
when
you
look
at
that,
there's
two
things
you
got
to
look
at
first
of
all:
does
it
open
from
the
outside?
K
K
In
so
these
are
the
things
that
I
always
look
at
when
I'm
driving
around
the
neighborhood
and
in
my
mind,
I
can
tell
you
where
they're
all
at
I'm,
not
saying
that's
going
to
happen
here,
but
when
you
start
with
something
good,
something,
wonderful,
something
fresh
something
that's
needed.
You
always
got
to
look
out
for
someone
who
doesn't
want
to
do
that,
but
is
using
you
but
I
mean
you.
K
I
can
show
you
all
that,
but
I'm
not
I'm,
not
here,
I
understand
what
you're
saying
I
know:
you're
grafting
for
air
and
I'm,
not
talking
about
your
program,
I'm
telling
you
what
it
could
be
after
you
do
this.
You
got
to
be
vigilant.
You
got
to
stay
on
a
daily
basis
because
it
does
change
on
a
daily
basis.
K
Yeah,
but
what
you
do
with
that
quarter,
Force
McCall
walk
into
a
property,
not
allowable.
You
have
a
lot
of
loopholes
that
you've
got
to
follow
that
you
can't
really
do
what
you
want
to
do.
That's
all
I'm
going
to
say
you
don't
believe
me
as
a
code
enforcement
office.
So
there's
where
we're
at
councilman
Goods.
N
Well,
Kim
I
think
the
presentation
is,
is
great,
I
mean
you've
worked
a
long
time
and
you've
got
some
team
members
over
there
now
who
are
now
really
getting
the
ball
moving
in
East
Tampa,
which
which
I
love,
which
I
said
when
you
have
knowledge
knowledge
is
power
and
you,
you
know,
you've
got
some
knowledge
of
people
over
there
now
who
want
the
community
to
look
different,
bring
a
different
flavor
and
we
need
that
to
get
rid
of
the
summer
of
life
into
uplift.
N
Our
communities,
my
mother,
wants
a
vital
finish:
Mr
Brandon,
she
said
I'm,
trying
to
let
Shameless
people
right
now.
I
can't
afford
to
get
it
to
her.
You
know,
but
but.
K
N
Know
so
I
understand
the
vinyl
fencing
I
understand.
You
know
a
reference,
a
chain
link
which
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
either
or
of
it
I
mean,
but
to
think
for
me
is
to
making
sure
the
Adu
is
the
stickler
for
me
right
now,
I'm
just
going
to
be
candid
with
you,
that's
the
stickler
for
me:
I
I,
I,
I
I
know
we
have
a
housing
crisis
and
everyone
knows
housing
is
my.
N
My
main
focus
right
now,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
just
not
putting
stuff
up
to
other
houses
and
bringing
down
values.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
Mr
Miranda
says
that
you
know
we
start
the
the
renting
cycle
into
where
we
have
people
in
and
out,
and
you
don't
know,
who's
coming
and
going
sometimes
and
I
mean
that's
that's
a
challenge
for
me,
knowing
that
I
want
to
try
to
improve
our
community
but
in
the
same
token
it's
a
double
A.
N
N
So
for
me
to
just
say,
do
an
Adu
right
now
it'd
be
hard
stretched
when
I
haven't
even
voted
on
an
interview
for
the
city.
Yet
so
that's
the
problem.
I
have
with
the
Adu
right
now,
I,
don't
know
what
the
time
frame
for
this
plan
text
me
has
to
be
in
or
not
versus
what
we're
going
to
do
with
the
ordinance.
M
For
us,
yes,
absolutely
councilman,
Goods,
lashon,
doc,
development
coordination,
and
this
is
what
I
was
going
to
review
with
you
Council
the
timeline
that
we
have
before
us
now
so
currently.
Today.
M
This
item
is
before
you
as
a
workshop
for
discussion,
and
it
is
in
the
earlier
phases
of
the
processing
The
Next
Step,
we're
going
to
brief
the
Planning
Commission
and
that
will
be
in
December
and
then
we
would
do
the
Planning
Commission
public
hearing,
which
is
in
January,
and
then
we
could
Circle
back
to
city
council
no
sooner
than
February
yeah
for
first
reading.
N
December,
what
I
like
to
see
I
I,
know:
Mr
McRae
was
here
what
I
like
to
see.
I,
don't
know
how
many
meets
were
held
about
the
adus
in
East
Tampa,
so
I,
don't
know
how
many
yes!
N
But
what
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
community
knows
about
edu's
I
I
know
some
of
similar
Heights
in
in
the
East
a
little
bit,
but
when
I
look
at
that
middle
core
right,
there
I
don't
know
if
they
really
know
about
what
that
means
or
what
it
is
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
they
know,
especially
some
of
the
property
owners
understand
what
that
means
and
again
I'm
all
about
housing.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
how
we're
going
to
craft
it
to
kind
of
control
it
a
little
bit.
N
O
I
I
can
tell
you
councilman
Goods.
We
did
have
three
two
partnership
meetings
where
we
covered
adus
in
depth,
including
marker
boards
and
kind
of
discussion
of
pros
and
cons.
O
We
also
had
this
presentation
with
adus
included
at
two
CAC
meetings,
as
we
prepared
and
looked
for
to
ensure
that
we
had
the
support
going
forward
to
come
here
today
and
to
start
this
process
again.
The
Adu
is
just
one
really
small
piece
of
this
overlay
revision.
If
it's
something
that's
a
sticking
point
I
think
it's
something
that
we
could
within
the
time
frame
we
have.
O
We
could
take
that
one
piece
and
go
back
to
the
community
and
discuss
further
and
hold
a
few
more
public
information
sessions
with
neighborhoods
to
ensure
that
everybody's
on
the
same
page
as
we're
standing
here
asking
for
this.
But
again
it's
a
small
piece
and
I
think
we
have
the
ability
to
take
that
out
and
maybe
have
a
little
bit
more
discussion
about
it
and
hear
hear
any
other
points
that
I.
N
N
M
Correct
councilman,
Goods
lashon
doc
development
coordination,
since
this
is
the
last
cycle
for
the
privately
initiated
text
amendments,
one
of
two
things
could
occur
so
council
could
direct
the
applicant
or
just
ask
if
that
language
would
be
removed
from
the
overall
request,
so
that
could
be
removed
that
reference
to
the
Adu,
the
rest
of
the
language
move
forward.
Based
upon
how
Council
decides
on
the
Adu
discussion
at
a
later
point,
we
can
certainly
Circle
back
as
part
of
a
publicly
initiated
amendment
to
revise
it
to
incorporate
changes
to
the
east.
Tampa
overlay
is.
N
The
Adu
I
don't
want
to
hurt
the
folks
who
working
hard
I
just
want
to
make
sure
if
I,
if
I,
can
make
sure
that
that
middle
core
is
on
board,
it
can
go
forward.
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
that.
As
long
as
the
constituents
want
that's
what
they
want,
I'm
not
going
to
fight
with
the
Constitution
War,
but
I
want
to
understand
what
some
consequences
can
be
with
these
adus
and
especially
in
the
East
Tampa
area.
N
N
Even
though
we
have
a
housing
crisis
because
I'm
telling
you
once
you
start
let
that
flood
get
in
everybody
who's
a
property
owner
is
going
to
start
wanting
to
build
something
back
there
or
add
on
something
to
have
additional
additional
additionals
and
you're
gonna
have
that
in
and
out
traffic
and
someone,
especially
our
lower
communities,
that
Equity
is
not
there
yet,
and
that
is
my
only
fear.
Point
Equity
is
not
in,
like
you
say
it's
out
of
Tampa
palmashir
new
Tampa,
some
of
these
places.
N
M
I
understood
absolutely
and
I
believe
what
we
can
do
is
we
have
this
timeline.
I
can
tell
you
that,
in
addition
to
taking
public
comment
today
at
today's
Workshop,
because
I
believe
there
are
members
here
to
speak,
we
would
also
allow
public
comment
at
the
Planning
Commission
public
hearing
and
then
there's
an
opportunity.
Of
course,
by
the
time
we
get
back
so.
N
L
Real
quick
and
in
regards
to
valid
concerns
that
councilman
gootz
has
unintended
consequences
and
allowing
these
Adu
I
get
it.
You
know
we
have
the
we
have
a
housing
crisis.
This
would
benefit
a
lot
of
people,
but
you
open
the
floodgates
and
you
have
to
be
careful,
and
one
thing
that
I
will
mention
is
an
article
that
I
saw
a
couple
of
days
ago.
L
I
didn't
read:
it
I
saw
the
headline,
I
saved
it,
but
it
was
I
want
to
say
Wall
Street
Journal,
maybe
New
York
Times
one
of
those,
but
it
was
something
in
along
the
lines
of
one
of
the
co-founders
of
Airbnb
is
working
with
municipalities
or
behind
the
scenes
to
change
codes
to
change
so
and
I
said
this
has
to
this
may
be
in
regards
to
you
know
the
push
for
80s
I
don't
know,
and
then
you
have.
You
know
these
units
being
used
as
airbnbs
and
whatnot
and
not
for
True
residential
I.
L
Don't
know
if
the
article
says
all
that
I
briefly
looked
at
it.
I
saved
it
by,
but
let's
make
sure
that
we
look
at
everything.
But
you
know
exactly
owner
occupied
these
adus
that
they're
charging
rent-
you
know
those
those
that
live
in
the
in
the
the
larger
house.
The
main
house
are
charging
rent
unless
it's
a
family
member,
but
where
it's
an
affordable
situation
and
creating
a
better
of
affordable
housing
option
for
people,
especially
with
how
things
are
in
the
city
of
Tampa.
L
So
I'm
just
saying
we
have
to
look
at
everything.
Look
at
all
the
evidence,
but
I
think
adu's.
You
know
in
the
end
are
are
beneficial
when,
when
properly
used,
when
the
guidelines
are
followed
and
how
we
regulate
them
and
how
people
are
allowed
to
rent
them
out
so.
F
L
C
L
K
E
K
We
don't
say
life,
we
just
hinge
a
little
bit
on
the
truth,
I'm,
not
calling
anybody
a
liar.
Don't
forget
me
wrong,
so
what
I'm
saying
is
this?
We
must
have
verifiable
evidence
that
they
are
family
members
and
with
all
these
ancestries
things
that
you
have
now
I,
don't
think
it's
that
difficult
to
find
out.
They
really
are,
let's
face
it.
These
things
were
invented
and
they
were
never
used.
Maybe
that's
why
everybody's
living
the
way
they
are
they're
everybody's
family,
which
is
true.
K
P
K
K
I
wonder
if
we're
still
doing
that,
I'm,
not
asking
I'm,
just
wondering
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
want
to
create
no
problems
but
I'm,
giving
you
an
idea
of
where
we're
coming
from.
It's
got
to
be
verifiable
everything
there's
a
thing
I
say
in
horse
racing
Trust,
but
verify
and
I
learned
that
at
the
other
job,
because
people
tell
you
the
truth
or
how
they
interpret
it
to
be
truthful,
and
when
they
tell
you,
it's
got
a
lot
of
holes
in
it.
K
So
what
I'm
saying
is
this
has
got
to
be
done
in
a
mannerism,
but
we
don't
we
want
to
have
people
have
a
place
to
live.
There's!
No
doubt
none
of
us
here
are
against
that.
However,
we
want
to
verify
all
the
facts
before
we
let
something
like
they
start,
because
once
you
let
the
horse
out
of
the
Corral
that
horse
is
not
going
to
come
back.
I
K
We
have
other
things
that
we
have
to
do
to
make
sure
that
the
city
is
running
the
right
way
and
it's
got
to
be
where
everything
is
verifiable
and
it's
got
to
be
in
a
way
so
much
so
much.
Okay,
you
stay
fine,
but
these
things
have
not
it's
going
to
be
a
catastrophe
that
we're
going
to
have,
because
now
it's
going
to
expand
to
another
part
in
the
neighborhood
that
I
live
in
I.
Guess:
everybody's
related,
that's
all
I'm
going
to
say:
I
think
you
got
the
drift.
Thank
you
very
much
and
I'm.
K
Sorry,
if
I
in
any
way
dampened
your
I'm
not
trying
to
to
disrupt
what
you're
trying
to
do
I'm
trying
to
verify
to
the
best
of
our
ability.
If
it
doesn't
happen,
we
have
to
get
another
deal
to
find
out
what
the
cases
were
and
in
the
workload
and
everybody
else,
and
then
we
don't
have
the
right
to
go
on
the
property
private
property.
But
thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
it.
Councilman
Vera
thank.
Q
You,
sir
and
I'll
just
be
very
short,
I
mean
I
I
support
the
idea
of
of
of
looking
at
more
adus
where
we
can
do
it,
but
but
if
to
the
extent
do
we
do
it
like
I
said
before,
we
have
to
make
sure
to
have
continued
oversight
and
revisit
it
for
any
excesses
or
needs
for
modifications.
I
think
that's
something
that's
obvious,
and
then
another
thing
I'm
always
interested
in
is
what
the
the
community
thinks.
So
I
do
look
forward
to
hearing
from
folks
out
there
today.
Thank
you.
C
N
R
Senator
Jim
hargret
2002,
East,
Emma,
Street,
Tampa,
Florida
I'm,
also
the
owner
of
a
commercial
Center
at
2409,
East,
Lake
Avenue.
R
It
potentially
has
five
commercial
spaces
and
two
residential
spaces,
and
it's
an
area
that's
been
serving
the
community
commercially
since
the
1950s
and
I
I
would
like
to
request
that
consideration
being
be
given
to
adding
lake
at
East,
Lake
Avenue
between,
say,
22nd,
Street
to
34th
Street
as
a
part
of
the
area
where
you
can
have
reduction
in
parking
and
potentially
reduction
in
retention,
because
that
would
encourage
development
in
an
area.
That's
really
where
Commercial
Services
are
really
non-existent.
R
We
we
serve
the
Housing
Development
over
in
on
East
Lake
Avenue,
and
we
are
currently
engaged.
We're
currently
be
engaged
in
Redevelopment
of
that
area
and
I
think
it
would
have
a
substantial
impact.
Given
the
lack
of
Commercial
Services
in
the
community.
S
S
C
S
I'm
Sonia
perryettor
Harvey
McCoy.
Thank
you.
Okay,
I
thought.
He
said
it.
That's
why
I
didn't
say
anything.
I
apologize
in
one
case,
I
believe
that
family
has
been
in
that
house
about
80
years
yeah
a
long
time
I
have
been
in
my
house
since
I
was
eight
years
old,
okay,
I'm
70.
S
The
issues
we
have
in
our
neighborhood
now
are
people
that
do
not
own
the
homes.
When
you
allow
people
who
are
looking
for
money,
we
got
Heritage,
we
love
where
we
stay.
Okay,
we
love
it
to
the
point.
I
call
ghouls
all
the
time.
Okay,
okay,
you
allow
these
people
who
don't
live
in
that
neighborhood
that
have
no
history
or
someone
who
buys
the
house
simply
for
the
purpose
of
renting
it
you're
going
to
hurt
those
of
us
that
are
trying
to
maintain
Heritage.
S
Now,
admittedly,
I'll
be
honest
with
you,
I
want
to
sell
my
house,
and
my
son
and
my
niece
and
nephew
said:
I
was
crazy.
Okay,
you've
got
to
keep
it
in
the
family.
You've
got
to
keep
it
in
the
family.
If
you
allow
this
to
happen,
it
will
change
the
neighborhood
now
I
want
to
say
we
do
have
a
problem
with
the
homeless
in
that
area.
Okay-
and
we
fought
that.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
Goose.
You
helped
us
out
quite
a
bit,
so
you
can't
tell
me
in
honesty
that
these
residences
will
not
go
up.
S
C
T
Good
afternoon
Allison
Hewitt
again
third
generation
East
Tampa
Florida
I,
want
to
say
that
we
in
the
committee,
one
of
the
things
that
frante
did
when
she
became
chair,
is
she
made
sure
that
the
committee
is
coordinated
on
issues
and
so,
as
economic
development
chair,
we
attended
and
had
co-meetings
to
be
able
to
address
this.
So
I
want
to
thank
you
and
for
listening
to
this.
So
Adu
was
one
of
the
few
things
that
had
the
fractions
on
the
CAC
actually
come
together
in
support.
I
support
it
because
I
am
again
third
generation.
A
T
And
one
of
the
things
that
came
up
in
the
meetings
were
that
a
lot
of
our
residents
are
aging
and
they're,
trying
to
get
their
kids
back
and
but
they
don't
really
want
to
leave
the
house,
but
they
don't
want
the
big
house,
and
so
a
lot
of
people
came
to
the
committee.
It's
like
okay,
we
can
move
our
parents
into
a
smaller
house
on
the
property
and
be
able
to
take
care
of
them
and
be
able
to
keep
the
family.
T
So
the
generational
conversation
came
up
a
lot
in
our
our
conversations
and
then
there
were
those
who
wanted
to
be
able
to
supplements
their
income,
but
they
would
be
renting
to
family
members
too.
There
wasn't
a
lot
of
conversation
about
renting
to
strangers.
It
was
a
lot
of
really
family
oriented
conversations
at
the
meetings
and
at
the
public
hearing.
So
we
do
recommend
and
hope
there
is
strong
oversight
to
be
able
to
do
this,
to
be
able
to
make
sure
that
it
is
not
manipulated
in
a
way.
T
That's
not
good
for
the
East
Tampa
CRA,
but
I
want
to
just
think
I'm,
also
Kim
Headland,
because
she
was
very
patient,
because
there
were
lots
of
questions
about
this
from
the
community.
Lots
of
wanted
to
have
clarification,
and
we
hope
that
you
support
it.
Thank
you.
U
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
Ernestine
Keith
and
I
also
used
to
go
to
Mr
Harvest
store
we're
living
in
the
projects
from
years
ago
and
I'm,
one
of
the
neighbors
with
Miss
McCoy
and
Miss
Jackson
behind
me,
and
they
have
built
two
two-store
houses
next
to
my
house,
and
they
just
moved
in
there,
probably
between
April
and
June
of
this
year
and
they're
already
renting
it
out,
and
they
have
one
of
those
big
privacy
fences
up
next
to
my
chain
link
fence
that
I
cannot
see
over,
but
I
have
seen
vagrants
before
they
moved
in
there
go
through
the
fence,
do
their
little
business
and
come
out
and
now
during
the
storm
a
tree
hit
the
fence
that
kind
of
broke
it
and
two
it's
not
falling
apart
yet,
but
it's
leaning
on
my
chain
link
fence
the
owner
didn't
know
about
it.
U
I
just
saw
him
the
other
day
and
told
him
he
didn't
know
about
it.
So
whoever
is
doing
his
property
manager
they're,
not
protecting
his
property
they're,
not
investigating
or
keeping
it
clean.
He
said
the
backyard
was
like
crap
and
excuse
my
expression,
but
the
tree
limb
is
still
hanging
down.
I
pushed
the
tree
limb
off
his
fence,
so
it
wouldn't
finish
tearing
up
my
fence.
So
it's
it's
not
I,
don't
know
if
it's
an
Airbnb
I,
don't
know
who
the
property
manager
is,
but
I
told
him.
U
I
said
you
need
to
check
with
your
property
manager
because
they're
not
taking
care
of
you,
your
property,
and
they
just
built
these
houses
this
year
and
it's
already
being
rented
out
and
strangers
are
coming
in
and
out
all
the
time
sitting
on
my
property,
where
I
have
to
go
and
ask
them,
don't
sit
on
my
property
and
smoke
and
leave
all
their
cigarette
butts
there.
So
it
is
the
problem.
U
C
V
My
name
is
Dolores
Jackson
and
I
have
to
confess
I,
don't
even
know
what
an
Adu
is,
but
I
have
the
impression
it
relates
to
new
building,
more
so
than
to
generational
homes.
I'm,
maybe
wrong
about
that.
But
I
will
find
out.
V
I
want
to
comment
on
the
fact
that
there's
certain
builders
coming
into
East
Tampa
who's
building
practices,
especially
where
I
live
on
15th
Avenue
near
23rd
Street,
has
brought
in
a
whole
set
of
problems
that,
in
my
family,
has
been
in
our
home
since
the
1950s
I
was
raised
by
my
grandfather
in
what
we
call
Ybor
City
at
the
time
now,
East
Tampa
in
the
1950s
early
60s
and
never
in
all
these
years
have
I
experienced
the
kind
of
problems
that
I'm
seeing
now
that
are
directly
related
to
new
construction
happening.
V
Next
to
my
home,
some
of
the
builders
I
don't
understand
who
is
overseeing
their
work
because
at
2208
East
15th
there
was
a
porta
potty
there.
V
This
construction
started
I
think
in
late
2021
into
2022.
and
they're
still
working
on
it,
because
the
Builder
woods
and
workers
and
they'd
worked
for
three
weeks
and
then
for
two
months
nothing
happens.
The
porta
potty
is
there.
It
is
a
lure
for
the
undesirables
that
you
know
inhabit
the
area
around
15th
Avenue
14th,
Avenue,
22nd
Street,
under
at
exit,
one
of
I-4
there's
a
Burger
King
and
a
McDonald's
there.
You
know
the
problems
that
exist
there,
the
city
I,
don't
mean
you
personally.
V
The
city
is
aware
of
the
problems
of
panhandling
and
the
type
of
people
that
collect
in
that
area.
I
mentioned
this
Builder
because
the
ver,
the
mere
fact
that
he
doesn't
lock
the
porta
potty,
invites
those
characters
into
the
porta
potty
all
times
of
the
day
and
night
drugs
and
prostitution,
other
things
taking
place.
V
V
Okay,
I
I
wish
that
there
was
more
oversight
on
the
construction
projects
themselves
because
they
have
introduced
a
whole
new
set
of
problems
to
the
area
causing
me
to
have
to
sell
a
home
that
has
been
in
my
family.
I
would
be
I
am
the
third
generation
I
wanted
to
leave
it
to
the
fifth
generation.
V
The
fourth
generation
wants
to
sell
the
fifth
five
at
nine
years
old
I'd
like
her
to
have
the
home
but
I'm
thinking
now
selling
my
home
merely
because
a
new
project
was
was
set
up
next
to
my
home
under
building
conditions
that
are
just
atrocious.
That's
all
I
want
to
say.
C
N
N
You
know,
as
the
conversations
arise,
other
things
come
into
the
pot
and
Mr
manuscalco
brought
it
into
the
box.
You
know
the
new
employees,
the
Airbnb
we
styled
now
so
I,
don't
know
if
any,
if
any
regulations
can
be
put
on
that,
as
as
it
relates
to
the
Adu
system
or
or
or
city
ordinance
about
the
Adu
about
the
adus
in
this
Airbnb
situation,
I
don't
know,
and
we
have
the
research
as
a
reference
to
occupied
owner
occupied.
N
N
You
know,
then
we
brought
the
construction
stuff,
which
we've
had
issues
about
construction
all
year,
long
about
construction
workers,
so
hopefully
we're
going
to
be
able
to
get
a
handle
on
that
soon,
so
people
can
clean
up
their
Master.
You
know
lock
all
these
Porter
products
because
they
do
attract
people,
undesirables
and
communities
in
your
everything
you
brought
up
is
totally
correct.
N
Every
week
you
got
somebody
it's
causing
a
problem,
so
I
do
understand
that
so
maybe
if
they
are
applying
for
that,
that
there'll
be
some
stipulations
that
that
it
will
not
be
that
kind
of
type
of
residents
and
so
forth,
but
I
think
now,
with
the
conversation
we
talk
about
we're
talking
about
these
tablet
folks
right
here,
so
they
have
some
concerns.
You
know
and
again
hope
we
can
look
at
looking
at
some
things.
Miss
thought!
N
Maybe
you
can
bring
those
some
things
back
to
us
before
we
finalize
the
80
to
see
how
we
can
have
some
restrictions.
Also
I
want
to
see
if
possibly
Senator
Harkins
here
and
he's
right,
I
I
surprised
that
link
wasn't
added
in
there,
so
maybe
late
can
be
added
into
that
process.
N
Up
in
there
and
I
think
that's
important
what
Lake
Avenue
would
be
connected
from
15th
Street
down
to
at
least
the
34th
at
least.
N
W
W
It's
the
transient
population
that
we
need
to
get
a
hold
on,
and
so
I'm
gonna
work
with
JC
our
building
official,
as
well
as
Keith
O'connell
with
code
enforcement,
because
some
of
this
is
Code
Enforcement
issues
that
we're
talking
about
and
see
how
we
can
work
towards
heightened
awareness
and
security
and
citing
people
to
come
into
compliance
and
so
I
think
the
adu's.
The
concern
about
adus
is
just
adding
another
layer
to
what
we
don't
want,
but
to
your
point,
councilman
Goods.
W
Earlier
we
have
a
housing
crisis,
and
so,
when
you're
looking
at
you
know
generational
living
options
as
well
as
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
stay
on
top
of
the
code
enforcement
and
building
pieces.
So
I'll
definitely
get
with
those
two
teams
and
bring
that
back
to
you
guys
if
there
are
any
policy
recommendations
or
legislative
recommendations,
including
the
conversations
about
accessory
dwelling
units.
So
thank
you.
Thank.
L
Real
quick,
a
couple
of
things:
I,
don't
I,
think
we're
preempted
by
the
state
from
regulating
airbnbs
I'm,
not
sure,
but
we
have
there's
issues
there.
Second,
just
real
quick,
an
Adu
is
an
accessory
dwelling
unit,
which
means
like
a
mother-in-law
Suite
in
your
backyard
kind
of
situation,
to
a
certain
square
footage
and
what
it
would
mean.
What
we're
looking
at
is
you
have
to
live
in
the
house.
You
know
the
owner
has
to
live
on
the
in
the
main
house.
They
are
allowed
to
rent
the
unit,
which
is
has
a
maximum
I.
L
Don't
know
if
it's
900
square
feet,
I
forgot
what
the
number
was,
but
they
they
can
then
rent
it.
Then,
if
it's
a
certain
size
that
has
to
have
a
parking
space
for
it,
so
it's
basically
like
a
mother-in-law
Suite,
but
the
owner
of
the
property
has
to
live
on
the
property.
It
can't
be
an
investor
coming
in
and
buying
all
the
houses
on
the
street,
renting
out
the
main
house
and
then
running.
You
know
the
the
person
who
owns
it.
You
know
John
Smith
lives
in
that
house.
L
They
can
rent
it
in
regards
to
the
the
portalets
and
the
construction
sites.
I
talked
to
a
police
officer
Tuesday.
L
This
is
over
on
Columbus
and
Florida,
so
I'm
assuming
he's
in
that
area,
but
they
had
a
call
the
other
day
where
they
had
a
deceased
male
in
a
portal
it,
and
it
wasn't
someone
working
on
that
construction
site.
It
was
a
random
individual
that
they
found
that's
like
uber,
so
you've
heard
okay.
So
you
heard
about
that
too.
So
we
have
issues
not
just
people
going
in
now.
L
You
have
somebody
who's
deceased
in
there,
so
whatever
the
situation
was
I,
don't
know,
but
miss
Travis
responded
to
that
and
speaking
with
Mr
Hutchinson
and
then
code
enforcing
and
whatnot,
so
she's
aware,
then
thank
you.
C
O
Did
just
want
to
make
a
couple
of
clarifications
regarding
specifically
regarding
Lake
Avenue
there
and
I
didn't.
Forgive
me.
I
didn't
get
too
far
into
the
specifics
of
the
code
language,
but
there
are
two
sections
in
the
non-residential
that
deal
with
parking
incentives,
one
related
to
the
main
streets
that
were
identified
as
part
of
the
Strategic
action
plan.
O
The
other
tackles
all
of
existing
commercial
structures
that,
like
the
Lake
Avenue
structures
that
would
also
for
their
reuse,
adaptive,
reuse
or
even
just
continued
use
would
have
parking
incentives
in
place,
so
I
think
Lake
Avenue
in
that
sense
would
be
covered.
The
adus
I
think
councilman
touched
on
it
already.
We
had
this
discussion
at
length
during
a
few
of
the
earlier
public
meetings
regarding
the
to
use
this
year
or
with
a
with
this
broader
overlay
discussion.
O
It
was
in
our
discussions
in
East,
Tampa
owner
occupied
properties,
so
you
weren't
having
an
investor
that
then
created
a
duplex.
Although
that
being
said,
I
think
points
well
taken
from
the
community
and
from
Council
here
today
and
I
think
miss
doc
will
be
able
to
outline
how
we
can
go
back
and
discuss
those
issues
with
the
community
make
sure
everybody's
as
informed
as
possible
going
forward.
I
would
also
just
like
to
point
out
that
we've
been
working
on
this
since
2016.
O
that's
six
years
of
an
enormous
amount
of
volunteer
community
effort
meeting
after
meeting
after
meeting
and
lots
of
folks
digging
in
and
learning
the
zoning
code,
language
that
isn't
isn't
always
the
easiest
I
just
think
kudos
to
this
entire
East
Tampa
Community,
who
have
listened
and
participated
for
every
six
years
to
to
kind
of
bring
these
issues
to
be
able
to
update
this
because
it
hasn't
been
updated.
Since
East
Tampa,
the
East
Tampa
CRA,
was
created
so
just
kudos
to
the
community
for
kind
of
digging
in
and
sticking
with
it
for
six
years.
K
I'm
one
of
those
that
thinks
about
the
what?
If
what?
If
something
happens
that
we
don't
know
about,
let
me
give
you
an
example
party,
a
very
nice
people.
They
buy
a
house
and
they
built
up
for
the
mother-in-law
they
lived
there.
Five
or
six
years.
Everything
is
copacetic.
Everything
Is,
Beautiful
party
a,
however,
gets
a
hankering
to
sell
the
house.
They
sell
the
house.
K
We
don't
know
you
know
why,
because
we
can't
keep
a
record
of
it.
I
can
give
you
some
examples
where,
many
years
ago
we
had
some
squales
built
to
houses
so
that
the
water
would
be
retaining
that
property.
All
of
a
sudden,
I
buy
it
and
I'm
my
wife
and
I
I.
Don't
have
a
wife
and
I
have
to
say
my
wife
and
I
are
there
and
everything
is
copacetic.
We
do
exactly
what
we
say:
those
whales
are
there,
but
I
sell
it
for
Mr
and
Mrs
X.
K
K
K
K
I,
don't
want
to
know
what?
If,
because
what,
if
it's
too
late
to
help
all
of
us
included
and
that's
what
I
want
to
avoid
I
want
to
help
the
people
I
want
to
have
more
houses
like
anybody
else,
but
I
do
not
want
one
iota
of
doubt
that
that's
going
to
change
without
somebody
knowing
about
it
and
there's
where
we
have
the
problem,
not
in
the
mechanisms,
but
in
the
what
ifs
and
that's
why
man?
Thank
you
very
much.
Councilman.
C
N
N
M
M
So
it's
something
to
to
look
at
and
consider,
but
I
just
want
you
all
to
know
all
council
members
to
know
and
the
public
to
know
that
we
hear
you.
We
hear
the
concern
I've
spoken
with
Kim
we're
going
to
remove
the
Adu
language
for
now,
from
the
request
they're
going
to
do.
Outreach
further
Outreach
to
the
community.
Come
back
to
you
by
first
reading
to
let
you
know
the
Outreach,
which
has
occurred,
how
many
meetings
were
held
and
also
provide
you
with
the
community
feedback
regarding
the
Adu
language.
N
M
Certainly
we
counseled
yes
and
legal
is
here
and
shaking
her
head.
Yes,
thank
you.
They
can
look
into
it.
M
Want
to
make
sure
we
have
that
understanding
that
language
would
be
on
hold
until
we
are
to
outreach
further
Outreach
occurs,
and
then
we
will
report
that
back
to
you,
the
applicant
will
at
the
time
of
first
reading.
We
can
also
move
first
reading
back
a
month
or
so,
if
needed,
just
to
make
sure
everyone.
We
have
the
message
out.
Everyone
has
a
clear
understanding
of
adus
and
the
effects
of
adus
and
with
that
Council.
If
it
is
your
desire
with.
X
Sorry,
just
real
quick
I
just
want
to
say
thanks
to
all
of
our
honor
guest
members
of
public,
thanks
for
all
your
leadership
and
your
feedback.
The
only
way
we
can
make
the
community
better
is
to
listen
to
the
community
and
make
sure
we
work
with
the
community.
X
For
example,
I
brought
the
question
yesterday
about
about
homesteaded
properties
and
if
adus
are
required,
there
I
don't
need
an
answer
right
now,
but
I
wonder
if
there's
some
category
we
can
set
up
for
the
adus
that
wouldn't
qualify
for
the
for
the
Airbnb.
So.
M
Thank
you.
Thank
you
councilman.
So,
yes,
if
it
is
council's
desire,
we
would
move
this
to
Planning
Commission
for
Planning
Commission,
on
briefing
in
public
hearing
that
thank
you
so
much
Council.
C
M
M
This
request
is
a
again
a
privately
initiated
Amendment
and,
of
course,
this
is
one
of
the
two
amendments
that
are
part
of
the
January
2022
Amendment
cycle.
The
applicant
is
Tyler
Hudson.
The
request
is
to
amend
three
sections
of
the
code,
one
relating
to
the
off
street
parking
spaces,
the
loading
spaces
and
also
the
landscape
area
and
tree
planting
requirements.
A
M
So
the
request
would
amend
the
parking
standards
for
residential
multi-family
uses
and
this
would
amend
it
to
one
space
per
unit.
This
will
remove
the
visitor
parking
requirement.
This
also
would
allow
for
parking
on
trade-offs.
So
there
would
be
a
footnote
added
in
the
parking
table
as
it
exists
today,
and
it
would
reference
the
CBD
periphery
with
those
standards
in
addition
to
the
landscape
requirements
and
how
they
are
calculated.
M
So
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
turn
it
over
to
Tyler
Hudson,
it's
Tyler,
Hudson
and
Alex
Shaler
on
the
line.
I
believe
they
are
online
virtually
and
they
are
the
applicants
and
they
have
a
presentation
for
you
today
and
I'm
available
counsel.
If
you
have
any
questions.
Thank.
P
Good
afternoon
Council
Alex
Shaler
400
North,
Ashley
Drive.
It
is
just
me
today.
Tyler
will
not
be
joining
and
I
do
have
a
presentation
that
I'm
going
to
pull
up,
see
if
I
can.
P
P
Okay,
so
as
a
Sean,
thanks
for
setting
this
up,
I'm
representing
this
privately
initiated
text,
amendment
that
Tyler
and
I
filed
in
January
of
this
year-
and
this
is
directly
in
relation
to
projects
within
the
CBD
periphery
before
I
dive
into
the
location,
I
wanted
to
give
a
little
bit
of
a
brief
background
on
why
we
submitted
this
request
and
kind
of
the
basis
for
this
amendment.
So
this
isn't
related
to
a
single
application.
P
It's
more
retroactive
in
nature.
So,
as
we've
had
time
to
reflect
on
a
lot
of
different
applications
that
we
brought
before
you
in
the
CBD
periphery.
P
You
probably
remember
that
many
of
them
have
the
same
set
of
six
or
seven
waivers
those
waivers
specifically
relating
to
Urban
Development,
and
we
we
expect
that
our
future
projects
will
contain
similar
waivers,
and
so
this
seems
like
a
worthwhile
opportunity,
with
the
last
cycle
of
privately
initiated
text,
amendments
to
adjust
some
of
these
some
of
this
language
in
the
code
to
better
assist
some
of
this
development
in
the
CBD
periphery
and
to
manage
expectations
up
front.
P
We
don't
necessarily
believe
that
this
amendment
will
eliminate
or
necessarily
even
reduce
the
amount
of
PDs
brought
before
you,
but
we
do
think
that
it
will
absolutely
reduce
the
number
of
waiver
requests
associated
with
each
of
those
fees,
so
electron
describe
the
CBD
appropriate
as
recognized
in
the
comprehensive
plan.
As
you
can
see
on
the
screen,
the
northern
boundary
is
calm.
P
It
wraps
around
coming
down,
Nebraska
jutting
to
15th
and
then
down
wrapping
around
the
southern
part
of
Harbor
Island
coming
back
up
along
North
Boulevard,
and
it's
important
to
note
that
the
CBD
periphery
I
know
you
guys
are
familiar
with
this
projects
located
within
this
specific
area
are
permitted
to
double
their
density.
So
if
they're
already
100
as
an
example
with
3.5
far,
they
could
permit
up
to
seven
with
bonus
Provisions
being
met.
P
P
So
we'll
kick
it
off
the
parking,
and
we
wanted
to
start
this
off
by
summarizing.
This
language,
and
essentially
what
what
this
has
said.
This
is
the
proposed
language,
but
to
shorten
this
we're
essentially
proposing
that
the
parking
ratios
and
the
cvd
periphery
match
the
parking
ratios
for
projects
located
in
the
CBD.
P
It's
important
that
we
update
the
code
to
support
this.
The
second
parking
request
we
have
is
in
relation
to
visitor
parking
specifically,
and
that
is
to
remove
the
visitor
parking
requirement
for
projects
within
the
CB
periphery.
This
is
already
done
in
a
host
of
different
Special
Districts
within
the
CBD
periphery
Ebor
City
Channel
district
downtown.
P
So
this
amendment
would
essentially
take
those
other
Pockets
throughout
the
CBD
periphery
and
bring
those
up
into
the
set
be
reflected
under
the
same
requirement
of
no
visitor
parking
and
the
last
parking
amendment
that
we
have
proposes
in
relation
to
on-street
parking
and
that's
to
allow
any
parallel
parking
immediately
adjacent
to
the
site
provided
on
Street,
to
count
towards
25
of
a
required
parking
count
for
the
project
and
again.
This
is
something
that
we
found
because
we
see
it
often
and
currently,
whenever
you
submit
for
a
rezoning
application
on
that
site
plan.
P
P
There's
a
host
of
different
benefits
of
on-street
parking
and
I
have
some
of
them
shown
on
the
screen
from
different
perspectives.
So
from
Transportation
standpoint,
traffic
calming
is
is
one
of
the
benefits
there's
buffering
for
the
sidewalks
speaking
logistically
A
reduced
garage
footprint
as
we're
providing
more
on
Street
versus
in
the
garage
and
perhaps
notably,
most
important.
Is
this
easier
access
to
the
ground
floor
so
many
of
the
projects
that
we've
done?
If
not
every
project
that
we
have
brought
before
this
car
Council
has
that's.
P
At
least
you
know
spot
a
large
component
of
ground
floor,
retail
or
commercial
office
use.
That's
that
storefront
residential
use
in
the
code.
So
by
providing
this
parallel
parking
on
street
and
allowing
it
to
count
it's
just
easier
for
people
to
access
these
different
amenities
and
it
activates
the
street
level,
as
it's
easier
to
just
you
know,
pull
into
a
parallel
spot
as
in
going
all
the
way
into
a
garage
so
moving
on
from
parking.
P
The
next
section
is
loading
and
I
think
that
you
all
are
incredibly
familiar
with
these
loading
waivers
that
we
typically
request.
So
summarize
this.
This
is
pretty
straightforward.
We're
essentially
proposing
that
projects
and
the
CBD
periphery
are
only
required
to
have
one
loading
birth
per
development
instead
of
based
off
of
its
square
footage
number
and
then
also
to
allow
that
single
loading
verb
to
be
accessed
with
more
than
one
continuous
maneuver.
P
This
is
inspired
by
what
is
are
currently
permitted
in
the
Westshore
Marina
District,
and
we
feel
as
if
most
of
the
development
that
we've
been
doing
in
the
CV
periphery
is
apparently
more
dense
than
the
Westshore
Marina
District,
but
again
using
some
other
language
in
the
idea
behind
behind
this
loading
production,
and
it
is
important
to
note
too
that
projects
in
the
actual
CBD,
although
they're
held
to
the
same
loading
standards
as
a
general
code,
they're
often
reduced
through
the
offer
throughout
the
DDR
process,
so
similar
to
a
PD
and
requesting
it,
but
it
doesn't
require
actual
waiver.
P
The
next
section
is
in
relation
to
Green
Space,
and
this
one
is
a
little
bit.
Technical
and
I
want
to
spend
a
little
bit
more
time
in
this
one,
because
it's
important
to
note
that
we
are
not
proposing
any
kind
of
reduction
in
Green
Space
requirements
in
the
CBD
periphery.
More
so
just
an
application
of
one
standard
across
the
board.
So
currently
the
way
the
code
reads.
P
It's
that
multi-family
greater
than
sixth
floor
six
or
greater
floors
is
permitted
to
use
a
percentage
calculation
to
calculate
the
amount
of
green
space
that
they're
required
to
provide
on
site
smaller
projects
that
are
less
than
six
stories
in
height
or
held
to
a
per
unit
green
space
requirement.
And
so
what
we're
proposing
here
with
this
amendment
would
be
to
require
this
percentage
calculation
to
be
applied
to
all
multi-family
developments
within
the
CBD
periphery.
Regardless
of
how
tall
the
building
is
and
I
have
a
Graphic
shown
here
on
the
screen
and
I.
P
Think
it's
a
really
great
visual
illustration
of
essentially
how
much
green
space
is
required
on
that
percentage
calculation
basis.
So
you
have
that
green
box
in
the
top
right,
which
is
essentially
a
blank
parcel.
The
way
this
is
calculated.
You
subtract
the
building
footprint
from
your
parcel
area,
so
have
the
building
footprint
shown
there
and
then
beyond
that
you
multiply
this
by
30.
P
So,
as
you
can
see
on
the
screen,
the
lower
flag-shaped
green
image
on
the
screen
is
essentially
the
amount
of
Green
Space
you're
required
to
provide
based
off
of
that
top
green
box.
That's
a
rectangle
I'm
using
this
percentage
calculation.
So,
as
you
can
see,
it's
not
it's
not
a
ton
like
I
said
subtract.
The
building
footprint
multiply
by
30,
it's
a
relatively
small
number,
given
the
fact
that
all
of
this
is
urban
development
in
the
CBD
periphery.
P
So
putting
this
into
numbers,
I
think
that,
like
I
said
this
is
a
little
bit
technical,
but
I
think
this
is
a
really
really
good
representation
in
some
of
the
deficiencies
in
the
current
code
and
using
that
per
unit
calculation,
which,
as
I
mentioned,
is
currently
required
for
shorter
buildings,
five
stories
or
below
you
would
take
your
number
of
units
so
take
100
units
multiplied
by
750
square
foot
per
unit.
That's
the
current
green
space
requirement
for
projects
that
don't
include
vua
so
essentially
that
include
a
parking
garage
you're.
P
So
the
theory
behind
this
is,
you
can
see
the
percentage
calculation
table.
That's
included
below
this
is
based
off
of
example.
Projects
given
this
calculation
is,
is
formed
via
the
land
area
and
the
building
footprint.
This
is
specific
to
a
certain
site,
but
I
just
wanted
to
give
some
some
different
examples,
utilizing
a
range
of
units.
So,
as
you
can
see
for
smaller
development,
54
units
we're
sitting
at
about
5
900
square
feet
of
required
Green
Space
again,
this
is
based
off
of
parcel
area
building
footprint.
P
That's
how
you
times,
30
percent,
how
you
get
to
that
number,
moving
up
to
a
moderate
size,
development
at
236
units,
as
you
can
see,
that
green
space
number
doesn't
really
change
and
then,
as
you
can
see,
going
to
the
532
units.
This
is
a
project
that
was
recently
approved
in
the
channel
District.
P
The
required
Green
Space
hovering
right
at
about
5
000
square
feet.
So
it's
important
to
note
that
all
of
this
is
within
a
similar
range
and
that's
because
the
building
footprint
to
the
parcel.
F
P
That
ratio
isn't
changing
because,
as
mentioned,
this
is
all
Urban
Development.
It's
all
minimal
setbacks.
You've
got
a
lot
of
land
cover
from
the
building.
So,
as
you
can
see,
what
is
required
from
this
percentage,
calculation
is
0.14,
0.13.12
Acres,
vastly
vastly
smaller
than
what
is
required
on
that
per
unit
calculation.
So,
as
a
summary,
like
I
said,
I
know
this
is
technical.
P
This
is
a
lot
of
math
a
lot
of
numbers,
but
what
we're
proposing
here
essentially
is
to
take
that
percentage
calculation,
which
is
currently
permitted
for
multi-family
six
stories
or
greater
and
apply
that
to
all
multi-family
varying
levels
below
six
floors.
We
have
seen
in
the
past,
we've
had
a
couple
different
developers
that
have
increased
Building
height
again,
adding
unnecessary
height
just
to
utilize,
this
percentage
calculation
for
a
green
space
requirement
to
avoid
a
waiver.
P
So
this
is
something
that
I
said:
we've
seen
on
past
projects
and
in
order
to
kind
of
apply
this
across
the
board.
We
think
that
that
makes
sense
in
the
CBD
periphery.
Specifically,
the
last
request
we
have
is
in
relation
to
buffering,
and
this
one
is
more
of
a
trying
to
clarify
the
interpretation
of
the
code
that
necessarily
to
change
it.
P
P
The
reason
we
say
this
is
because
the
then
existing
use
on
an
adjacent
site
is
tangible.
It's
there.
We
can
see
what
it
is
we
can
design
towards
that
when
trying
to
plan
around
the
most
intense
use
that
could
potentially
in
the
future
maybe
be
placed
on
the
site,
are
buffers
then
become
inherently
conservative
and
again
in
an
urban
area
like
the
CBD
periphery.
This
is
very
limiting.
P
So
the
thought
process
behind
this
is
to
take
that
larger
umbrella
of
the
zoning
and
have
the
actual
allowable
uses,
as
it's
referred
to
in
the
table,
be
what
is
interpreted
and
what
is
held
to
for
this
and,
as
I
mentioned,
reflect
what
is
on
site
at
the
time
of
a
new
proposed
development.
What
is
actually
surrounding
that
use
at
that
time?
P
K
Miranda
I
understand
that
I,
don't
think
the
young
lady
took
a
breath
of
air
yes,
anyway.
I
understand
what
the
object
is
to
have
less
parking
spaces
and
more
centralized,
but
we
don't
really
have
a
transportation
system.
Thank
you.
It
comes
to
that
point
and
it's
sad
that
we
may
never
have
or
not
in
the
near
future
transportation
system
to
be
able
to
adjust
to
what
the
the
presenter
just
presented.
K
It's
when
you
hear
about
all
the
millenniums
that
want
to
ride
bikes.
That's
fine
I!
Don't
want
to
walk,
that's
fine,
but
then
I
go
out
and
I
look
at
Plant
High
School
parking,
then
I
go
out
of
Jefferson
High
School,
then
I
go
to
Hillsboro,
then
I
go
to
University
of
Tampa
and
there's
now
one
empty
space.
I
tell
myself.
I
must
be
lying.
K
My
eyes
are
lying
to
me
and
these
are
the
things
that
I
look
at
and
I'm
a
I'm,
a
realist
I'm,
not
a
professional
or
anything
but
I
realize
what's
happening
and
I
I,
just
I
agree
with
what
you
said,
but
my
my
practicality
of
Life.
The
other
day
there
was
a
zoning
here
on
North
Boulevard
and
it
had
0.002
and
University
of
Tampa
standards,
0.004
and
they're
full.
So
I
can
imagine,
what's
going
to
happen
to
the
one
with
0.002
and
University,
already
told
them
here
in
City
Hall.
K
If
your
people
come
and
park
where
we're
at
we're
going
to
tow
the
cars
away.
So
that's
what
we're
getting
to
I'm,
not
against
doing
anything.
That's
reasonable,
I'm,
not
saying
this
is
not
reasonable,
but
it's
in
my
mind.
We
don't
have
the
transportation
system
to
realize
the
facts
that
were
presented,
because
if
we
had
one
we
wouldn't
have
the
problem,
then
I
could
say
yes
in
New
York
City.
You
can
have
all
you
want,
but
whatever
they
have,
that
we
don't
have
transportation
of
all
kinds.
K
G
G
K
Day,
I'm
walking
down
he's
walking
down
the
steps
and
I'm
right
there
where
the
elevators
are.
He
tells
me,
let
me
tell
you
something:
I
say
yes
Harry
and
he
tells
me
this
I'm
not
going
to
see
it,
but
you
are,
he
said
the
day
you
take
a
dollar
from
the
federal
government,
for
your
bus
system
is
a
day
the
buses
all
go.
K
K
K
Everybody
got
the
bus
for
I,
never
get
a
transferable
somewhere
else,
come
back,
I
think
it
was
10
cents
or
15
cents.
A
ride.
Now,
I,
don't
know
what
it
is.
I
haven't
got
a
bus
in
years
you
see
the
parents
say:
oh
my
kid
ain't
going
to
get
a
car,
that's
what
they
say
when
they're
12,
when
they're
16
you're
going
to
say
your
father,
hey
I
want
a
car.
Just
like
everybody
else.
The
next
day
you
got
a
car
not
like
that
everywhere,
but
that's
the
society
we've
grown
to
be
so.
K
K
So
it
just
I
understand
what
the
presenter
said,
but
I
got
to
have
proof
of
what
she
said,
because
my
eyes
are
lying
to
me.
They're
lying
to
me
and
I
want
to
have
an
eye
check,
there's
something
wrong
the
way
we
present
things
in
the
reality
of
life.
I'm
not
saying
she's,
wrong,
I'm,
saying
I
can't
equate
to
it,
because
my
eyes,
what
I
see
is
not
what
I
hear
and
anybody
wants
to
challenge
me.
Let's
go
off
a
ride,
that's
all
I
can
say.
N
I
took
a
bus
from
East
Tampa
out
to
the
lot
out
to
Amazon
it'd,
probably
be
three
hours
before
I
get
there.
We
don't
have
a
system,
yet
cars
are
still
prevalent
right.
Now.
It's
unfortunate
cars
are
still
here
and
where
are
you
going
to
park
these
cars
I
know
we
want
parking,
minerals.
I
know
you
want
to
get
rid
of
parking,
but
how
can
you
get
rid
of
parking
when
people,
or
so
many
people
are
driving
cars?
N
N
I,
don't
know
if
we're
there
yet
no
parking
garages,
they
cost
so
much
money
for
parking
space
and
that
hurts
us
with
the
developers
and
trying
to
get
affordable.
Housing
attainable
housing.
Some
of
these
things,
because
you
talk
about
three
thousand
dollars
or
one
space.
When
you
build
a
parking
garage,
there
are
a
lot
of
issues.
N
L
C
Okay,
I'll
is
there
anyone
here
for
public
comment?
Anyone
online
are
reserved
by
comments
for,
for
when
we
get
deeper
dive
into
this.
L
H
E
H
H
L
M
Starting
in
January,
we
will
be
back
to
the
regular
schedule
where
reasons
are
heard
on
rezoning
nights
and
alcoholic
beverage
sales
petitions
are
heard
on
alcohol
nights
at
the
last
night
of
the
month.
The
way
that
we
did
it
prior
to
adding
in
the
additional
nights.
So
since
we
started
at
501,
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
starting
the
new
year,
the
desire
is
to
have
these
hearings
start
at
501,
or
do
we
want
it
to
go
back
to
6
p.m?.
M
J
C
N
I
have
I,
have
a
few
don't
I
hate
before,
but
I
have
a
few
today
up
the
attempt
city
council
to
give
Valencia
better
accommodation
for
hard
work
and
dedication
to
the
city
of
Tampa
and
relationship
with
the
National
Coalition
of
100
black
women,
January
January
10th
of.
N
Next
three
are
kind
of
dear
to
my
heart.
As
you
know,
you
might
not
know.
Mr
Artis
Gambrell
did
file
and
pass
on
late
early
Monday
morning.
As
you
know,
he
was
one
of
the
longest
African-American
employees,
Recreation
Department
in
the
city
of
Tampa.
He
pretty
much
ran
the
east
side
of
town,
all
our
parks
and
recs.
Everyone
has
sat
and
heartbroken
I
got
the
calls
immediately
when
it
happened
and
again
I've
got
a
few
things.
I
want
to
say
about.
This.
H
N
Right
next
one
is
the
Tampa
City
Council,
give
a
posthumously
accommodation
to
present
it
off-site
to
Mrs
Gambrell
for
his
dedication
to
impact
and
change
his
community
in
the
city
of
Tampa.
N
Aye
and
the
last
one
you
know
we
there's
been
a
lot
of
talk
about
our
East
Tampa,
Regional,
Park
I,
know,
Miss
Maniscalco
came
behind
me
and
wanted
something
over
at
a
building.
Someone
named
over
there
with
Alton
white
Moses
white,
because
he
was
mostly
on
East
Tampa
westable
person,
but
that
was
fun,
but
I
also
had
made
a
motion
prior
in
reference
to
the
regional
park
itself
and
again,
I'm
asking
the
administration
to
provide
an
update
on
the
the
naming
of
the
East
Town
Regional
complex,
with
Mrs
Gambrell
report
back
on
December.
Q
Be
fast,
if
I
may,
a
motion
to
presented
commendations
to
to
George
Edgecombe
Bar
Association
on
their
40th
anniversary
and
to
the
Hillsborough
Association
for
women
lawyers,
also
on
their
40th
anniversary.
Q
Q
All
in
favor
and
in
all
off-premises
of
course,
and
then
lastly,
if
I
may
I
motion
for
accommodation
and
and
suing
I'll,
give
you
the
information
on
this
and
I'm
going
to
to
the
baps
SRI.
Q
S-W-A-M-I-N-A-R-A-U-A-N
mandir,
that's
the
local
Hindu
temple
for
their
work.
They
do
in
the
community
on
the
forthcoming
a
hundredth
anniversary
of
the
birth
of
their
Guru,
which
they
will
be
celebrating
on
Saturday.
Second,.
C
X
Yeah,
a
few
quick
ones,
please,
the
The
Florida
Orchestra
would
like
to
give
us
a
10-minute
update.
So
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
ask
The
Florida
Orchestra
to
give
a
10-minute
update
to
Tampa
City
Council
on
February,
2nd
after
staff
reports
motion.
J
H
X
J
X
Aye,
okay,
also
the
the
and
we
talked
a
lot
about
adus
today
and
we
heard
a
lot
of
confusion
about
it.
X
South
Tampa
thought
that
they
were
excluded
from
the
adus,
and
so,
although
there
were
a
couple
of
public
meetings,
the
neighborhoods
and
and
citizens
for
sure,
don't
know
anything
about
what's
happening
with
the
adus
I
I
talked
yesterday
to
staff
and
Nicole
talked
to
her
staff,
and
she
gave
me
these
two
motions
to
propose.
One
is
that
we
one
of
the
problems
is
the
central
planning
district
includes
the
neighborhoods
in
Hyde,
Park
and
part
of
South
Tampa,
and
so
the
these
neighborhoods
feel
blindsided
by
the
fact
that
they
were
included.
X
So
my
first
motion,
which
again
is
coming
from
staff,
is
to
remove
all
the
areas
south
of
Kennedy
and
then
the
second
motion
is
to
ask
staff
to
begin
a
six-month
process
to
engage
the
neighborhoods
in
South
Tampa.
Then
come
back
on
April
27th,
so
I'll
I'll
make
the
first
motion
move
to
direct
staff
to
remove
all
areas
south
of
Kennedy
Boulevard,
including
Harbor
Island,
Davis
Island
from
the
proposed
areas
for
accessory
drilling
units
and
the
pending
ordinance.
Due
back
to
Council
on
December
1st.
Q
Me
ask
a
question
if
I
made
sure
just
briefly
so
is,
is
your
motion
to
have
the
adus
perspectively
come
back
after
proper
Community
engagement
has
been
done.
X
Yeah,
the
second
motion
is
that
the
staff
wants
six
months
to
to
properly
engage
the
community,
because
they
that,
because
the
neighborhoods
in
South
Tampa
thought
they
were
excluded,
they
they
didn't
participate
in
the
limited
Community
engagement.
There
was
so
the
staff
has
agreed
to
to
give
them
more.
If
other
parts
of
the
city
want
more
public
engagement,
I
think
they
could
ask
for
it
as
well,
but
the
neighborhoods
in
South
Tampa
particularly
have
asked
for
this.
K
K
X
If
you
all
want
to
move
all
of
them
to
April,
we
can,
but
that's
the
steps
saying
they
need
it.
They
need
they
need
six
months.
April
27th
is
the
farthest.
The
calendar
goes
out
and
it's
a
little
bit
less
than
six
months,
but
I
I
will
leave
that
up
to
you
but
South
Tampa.
If,
if
there
will
have
a
lot
of
people
at
public
comments,.
Q
Q
X
So
I
would
I
mean
I
can
make
I
can
make
the
motion
to
continue
the
the
there's
Nicole
Nicole.
What
do
you
want
to
do.
W
Went
on
a
certain
track
and
there
was
a
lot
of
conversation
about
excluding
South
Tampa
area,
and
we
know
that
I
I
would
I
was
the
first
one
to
say
that
staff
proposed
to
move
forward
with
the
central
planning
district,
and
it
includes
certain
parts
of
Hyde
Park,
as
councilman
Carlson
said
so,
I
I
don't
want
to
throw
the
baby
out
with
the
bathwater.
W
If
you
will,
if,
if
the
intent
is
to
allow
for
staff
to
meet
and
do
a
little
more
public
engagement
for
everything
south
of
Kennedy,
I
cannot
do
it
by
February.
The
date
that
councilman
Carlson
proposed
I
think
is
reasonable
and
we
should
be
able
to
accommodate
additional
conversations
for
the
south
of
Kennedy
neighborhoods,
and
so
should
you
be
inclined
to
to
deviate
from
the
draft
ordinance.
That's
coming
before
you
on
December
1st
I'd.
W
Ask
that
you
make
that
motion
so
that
legal
knows
how
to
prepare
the
motion
that
we
could
come
back
and
bring
the
other
areas
that
needed
additional
I'm
concern.
We
thought
that
this
was
the
best
way
to
continue
to
move
forward
with
the
accessory
dwelling
units
with
housing
as
a
crisis
and,
as
you
have
directed
us
to,
we
think
this
is
a
fair
way
to
move
forward
and
still
schedule
the
time
that
we
need
to
have
the
conversations
for
the
neighborhood
south
of
Kennedy.
N
You
know
we
talk
about
equality
and
equity,
as
we
say
we
were
supposed
to
strive
on
in
this.
This
day
is
I
would
have
a
serious
problem,
saying
we're
just
going
to
exclude
certain
neighborhoods.
If
we're
saying
we're
going
to
do
adus
because
of
housing
in
the
city,
how
do
we
exclude
one
neighborhood
versus
another
neighborhood
I
I
just
have
a
real
problem
with
that
I
mean.
However,
it
comes
back
comes
back,
but
I
just
have
a
problem
saying
we're
going
to
exclude
one
area
of
town
and
another
area.
N
Child
has
to
have
it
in
another
area
of
town.
That's
not
right!
I,
don't
care
how
you
look
at
it.
We're
a
city
of
supposed
to
be
a
city
of
diversity,
of
equity
inequality
and
I.
I
just
would
have
a
problem
of
saying
or
supporting
anything
that
says
that
one
area
of
town
to
me
and
and
what
people
would
say-
oh
it's
again,
they're
better
than
us
or
I,
just
have
a
problem
with.
N
X
Just
feel
bad
Mr
chair,
there's
a
false
narrative
being
pushed
by
some
activist
that
South
Tampa
is
against
their
South.
Tampa
thinks
they're
too
good
for
it
or
anything
like
that.
The
bottom
line
here
is
South,
Tampa
hasn't
been
informed
about
it
at
all,
and
so
they
they're
not
against
it.
X
All
South
Tampa
is
not
saying
they
don't
want
it.
They're
saying
they
just
want
to
know
about
it
because
they
don't
know
anything
about
it
and
instead
of
having
you
know
a
whole
bunch
of
people
showing
up
on
December
1st.
This
staff
is
recommending
that
we
that
we
just
move
it
to
a
different
timeline
and
though
I
think
they'll
come
back
and
say:
yeah
we're
fine
with
it
under
certain
circumstances
or
whatever,
and
maybe
it'll
be
the
same
thing
as
everybody
else.
X
C
Mr
Trimline
to
councilman
Carlson's
Point.
Are
you
comfortable
with.
W
So
I
was
just
on
the
phone
with
Abby
and
Eric
Cotton,
so
it
won't
come
to
you
for
on
December
1st,
because
we
we
need
to
notice
it
properly.
So
the
earliest
they'll
come
to.
You
is
January
26th!
That's
when
that
ordinance
would
come
before
you
for
the
accessory
developing
unit
and
if
you
wanted
us
to
engage
their
neighborhoods
south
of
Kennedy.
What
I
have
had
spoken
to
councilman
Carlson
about
yesterday
was
giving
us
at
least
six
months
to
properly
engage
in
more
than
one
meeting
with
those
neighborhoods
again.
W
You
guys
have
said
that
housing
is
a
crisis
and
that
we
need
to
move
forward
with
all
options
and
that's
what
we
have
provided
to
you
through
the
two
workshops.
Earlier
this
year
recently
in
late
October,
we
came
back
with
special
use
in
some
different
options.
This
is
moving
this
forward
and
because
the
South,
the
central
Planning
District,
mostly
excludes
the
South
Tampa
neighborhoods,
except
for
certain
areas
in
Hyde
Park.
W
Those
were
those
neighborhood
residents
were
not
a
part
of
those
conversations
in
the
workshops
to
be
fair,
they
were
never
included
in
those
conversations
because
we
were
talking
about
Central
planning
district
and
we
knew
that
there
were
more
conversations
that
needed
to
be
had
the
historic
patterns
in
Hyde
Park
in
south
of
Kennedy.
Is
they
have
accessory
development?
W
We
can
get
it
so
I
I
wanted
to
encourage
you
that
if
you
want
to
move
forward,
we
can
move
forward
with
the
ordinance,
as
you
have
directed
us
to
at
the
last
workshop
on
January
26th,
and
have
the
formal
engagement
give
us
six
months
to
do
that.
I'm,
not
sure
what
the
date
was
that
councilman
Carlson
proposed,
but
I
can't
do
it
shorter
than
six
months.
X
I
said
April
27th,
just
because
the
the
calendar
doesn't
go
out
farther
than
that.
But
if
you
want
to
pick
it.
C
C
Q
F
F
Q
And
I'm
and
I'm
fine,
otherwise,
but
but
it's
going
around
but
yeah
I,
probably
shouldn't
have
said
that
my
filter
I'm,
sorry
I'm,
sorry,
but
is
potentially
looking
at
maybe
continuing
the
whole
thing.
If
it's
coming
at
the
end
of
January,
we
could
look
at
it
to
continue
at
70
or
so
days
to
accommodate
both
sides
again
just
throwing
that
out
there
and
how
people
feel
about
it,
because
if,
if
South
Tampa
wasn't
properly
engaged
on
it
right,
that
is
a
legitimate
issue.
Q
X
I
I,
based
on
what
staff
is
saying
they
they
really
would
like
to
move
forward
as
quickly
as
possible,
with
the
other
one
and
they're
prepared
to
handle
this
so
I
would
I
would
like
to
go
ahead
and
vote
on
the
motion,
and
there
are
two
parts
of
it.
One
is
to
is
to
just
exclude
south
of
Kennedy,
and
the
second
one
is
to
bring
to
bring
it
back
on
on
April
27th.
C
I
I'm
going
to
yield
to
to
Mr
Shelby
I,
think
that
should
be
two
motions.
C
X
C
X
Thank
you.
All
I
have
two
more
sorry
that
one
took
so
long.
The
the
the
public
records
department
has
has
started
requiring
that.
If
we
want
records,
we
need
to
go
through
gov,
QA
and
I
pull
records
occasionally
and
but
now
they're
charging
city,
council
members
for
pulling
public
records,
and
maybe
we
can
address
this
in
an
ordinance
another
time
but
I
I,
I,
think
similar
to
council
member
Miranda
I,
don't
spend
any
of
my
City
Council
budget
I
buy
all
my
own
supplies.
X
I
buy
my
own
Furniture
everything
and
so
I
usually
have
a
surplus
that
I
give
to
charity.
But
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
just
make
a
motion
to
transfer
the
money
from
my
city.
Council
expense
account
that
I
don't
use
to
be
able
to
pay
for
public
records.
So
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
as
the
cfo's
office
to
move
2787.88
cents
for
my
city,
council
expense
budget
to
the
clerk's
office
for
the
purpose
of
paying
for
public
records,
requests.
N
H
Well,
that
that
that's
a
question
that
has
come
up
and
and
I
have
begun
looking
into
it
and
I
did
speak
with
Carl
Brody
and
there
are
new
procedures
in
place,
as
you
know,
it's
being
handled
by
The,
Archives
division
now
and
there's
a
whole
new
process
with
gov,
QA
and
and
decisions
are
being
made.
H
My
understanding
is
that
if
it
goes
that
even
part,
this
is
my
understanding
based
on
a
conversation.
I
had
this
week
that
even
city
employees
or
city
departments
that
are
making
Public
public
records
requests
have
to
go
through
gov
QA
and
if
there
are
associated
special
service
charges,
Associated
excuse
me
fighting
the
redundancy
service
charges
associated
with
that
they
are
assessed.
My
understanding
is
based
on
your
motion.
Is
that
you
receive
you
did
something
through
gov
QA.
Is
that
correct,
yeah.
X
I,
like
the
transparency
of
it,
that
that
every
everybody
in
in
the
city
has
to
go
through
gov
QA,
so
we
can
all
see,
but
I
think
we
should
make
another
motion
another
time
about
about
making
public
records
accessible
to
officers
of
the
city,
but
just
for
this
purpose
right
now,
I'd
like
to
just
make
the
motion
to
move,
and
we
can
always
if
they
decide
they
don't
want
it.
We
can
credit
it
back
later,
but.
H
H
It
was
the
was
the
the
legislative
branch
of
government
making
the
request
that
it
was
a
vote
of
council
that
did
that
I
could
look
into
that
if
Council
wishes
me
to
do
that,
that's
one
option
for
being
able
to
address
this
issue,
but
this
is
something
that
is
new
to
me.
I
just
learned
about
it.
This
past
week.
K
Public
record
or
whatever
it
is,
if
it's
a
dollar
a
hundred
dollars
or
five
thousand
dollars
that
they're
looking
for
I,
don't
know
what
it
is.
So,
if
I
knew,
maybe
you
would
have
passed
the
law
that
all
elected
officials,
including
the
administration
and
the
legislative
side,
has
to
pay
for
their
own
public
records
that
they
request.
One
that
way
everybody's
covered.
X
Yeah
I
think
I.
Think
staff
has
decided
that
that
we
have
to
pay.
But
but
this
is
you
know
with
our
with
our
expense
account
we
can
buy
furniture
supplies
or
good
events,
and
since
I
don't
do
any
of
that,
I
usually
would
just
transfer
this
money
to
charity.
The
easiest
thing
to
do
is
just
move
the
money
over
for
right
now
and
and
then
we
can
work
out
an
ordinance
later
so.
H
Up
with
that
and
I
understand
your
reasoning,
but,
for
instance,
your
office
does
not
spend
the
money
council.
Member
Miranda's
office
does
not
spend
the
money.
There
are
other
council
members
who
spend
their
money,
for
instance,
conferences
or
other
things
that
they
need
to
do,
and
one
of
the
issues
is
if
it
requires
a
mid-year
budget
change,
that's
a
whole
separate
process
to
be
able
to
replenish
your
accountant,
I,
don't
know,
and
that's
an
area
that
this
Council
has
not
gone
before,
especially
with
regard
to
public
records.
So
if
you
wanted
to
make
an
inquiry.
X
N
I'm
going
to
support
it,
but
I
still
think
you
need
to
look
into
that:
I,
don't
and
and
I.
Don't
think
that
we
should
not
be
paying
for
a
public
records
request.
I,
don't
think
the
latest
Branch,
because
I
shoot
I
know
they're
not
going
to
be
paying
for
that.
So
I
don't
think
we
should
be
penalized
if
he
needs
information
about
something
that
relates
to
this
city.
You
should
have
to
pay
for
that.
N
H
N
H
X
Last
one
real
fast
is
hopefully,
if
I
have
his
the
the
issue
of
remember.
The
issue
came
up
of
of
settlement
contracts
that
were
approved
by
the
City
attorney,
but
not
by
city
council,
and
we
discussed
at
length
in
Prior
meetings
about
about
the
implications
of
that
and
the
City
attorney
is
coming
back
with
a
with
an
ordinance
that
we
propose
to
handle
these
cases
in
the
future.
X
I
saw
my
own
outside
legal
counsel,
to
see
what
my
duty
is
as
an
officer
of
the
city
to
try
to
prevent
the
city
from
having
any
liability
and
in
regard
to
the
ones
that
were
not
approved
by
City
Council
in
the
last
four
years,
and
so
my
the
advice
I
got
was
that
that
I
have
a
duty
to
the
public
and
voters
to
disclose,
and
also
to
to
try
to
fix
the
problem
and
so
I.
K
Thank
you,
I'm,
not
against
totally
of
what
what
that
was
said
just
now.
What
I'm
thinking
in
my
head
is.
The
legal
department
is
the
only
Department
that
I
know
of
that.
Has
that
freedom,
because
their
lawyers
and
they
know
what
they're
dealing
with
we
don't
they
know
what
the
liabilities
could
be.
If
they'd
not
make
a
settlement,
we
don't
they.
K
X
Saying
so,
that's
that's
in
regard
to
the
ordinance
they're
going
to
come
back
with
later.
This
is
just
about
the
ones
over
the
last
four
years
that
were
not
approved
and
the
the
the
all
I'm
asking
is
that
the
City
attorney
review
them
with
us
and
then
come
back
to
us
with
their
advice
on
what
we
should
do
to
retroactively
approve
them.
They
have
outside
advice.
X
I've
gotten
is
that
city
council,
since
they
were
signed
without
city,
council
and
I'm,
trying
to
be
careful
not
to
talk
about
this
too
much
here
we
can,
if
you
want,
but
the
since
they,
since
they
were
approved
without
city
council
approval,
and
the
charter
requires
the
city
council
to
approve
it.
The
best
legal
course
that
I've
gotten
advice
on
is
that
we
should
approve
them
retroactively
and
we
could
likely
do
it
all
at
once.
K
High
sense
of
the
thing
of
this
whole
Corporation,
that's
what
we
are
a
big
company
and
and
when
we
start
looking
at
what
they
do
or
they
don't
do
it's
going
to
become
a
drag
on
the
city
and
it's
going
to
be
maybe
cost
more
than
what
we
think
and
I'm,
not
attorney
Eric
and
come
in
and
chime
in
on.
It
I'm,
not
sure
I.
X
I
passed
out,
I
passed
out
an
ordinance,
that's
still
in
the
books
from
2006.
There
was
signed
by
the
City
attorney
city,
council
and
mayor
Oreo,
and
what
that
what
that
ordinance
says
is
that
is
that
City
attorney
has
the
the
right
to
approve
the
right
to
approve
settlements
under
twenty
five
thousand
dollars,
and
so
what
I'm
asking
for
is
the
ones
over
25
000.
C
Q
Just
very,
very
briefly
again
with
this
given
I,
don't
know
how
many
settlements
have
been
entered
into
and
and
I
don't
I
don't
want
to
get
into
it
because
I,
don't
I,
don't
want
to
give
people
ideas,
but
this
could
be
a
a
potential
can
of
worms
on
certain
unique
type
of
cases
that
would
undermine
I,
I.
Think
the
welfare
of
the
city.
Q
Ultimately
I
can
privately
inquire
with
the
city
attorney's
office
on
on
a
number
of
issues
involving
this
I'm
I'm
not
prepared
to
vote
on
this
today,
I
would
vote
no
on
it
respectfully.
I
think
that
it
it
would
open
up
a
can
of
worms
on
many
many
issues
potentially
and
I
and
I.
Just
say
that
from
my
experience,
I
I
don't
think
it's
wise
I
understand
your
intent
and
and
I'm
glad
to
support
your
ordinance.
Q
I
think
that's
a
wonderful
thing
that
we're
doing
and
and
whatnot
from
a
policy
perspective,
but
this
I
think
would
have
a
lot
of
unintended
consequences.
Consequences
that
that
the
maker
of
the
motion
obviously
doesn't
intend,
but
may
ultimately
go
there
so
and
again,
without
getting
into
things,
because
I
don't
want
to
open
up
cancer
forms,
but
respectfully
I
always
like
to
be
collegial
and
support
motions,
including
for
it
comes
back
for
further
consideration,
we're
just
dating
it
and
not
married
to
it,
but
on
this
one
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
candle
worms
there.
C
L
My
question
is,
you
know,
retroactively
approved
or
not
approve
of
settlement.
Let's
say
it's
a
million
dollar
settlement
that
was
approved
three
years
ago.
We've
made
the
payout
to
set
individual.
We
now
do
not
approve
it
retroactively.
Do
we
Sue
that
individual
or
entity
to
get
that
money
back?
What
happened?
The.
X
The
the
and
and
as
I
said
I
can
talk
about
this
as
much
as
you
all
want,
but
the
the
can
of
worms
was
open
a
few
weeks
ago
when
we
found
out
that
that
this
rule
was
changed,
I
think
without
Council
knowledge
by
a
two
paragraph
memo
and
while
the
while
the
ordinance
from
2006
is
still
on
the
board
on
the
books,
and
so
the
the
advice
I
got
was
that
we
need
to
approve
them
retroactively
and
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
talking
about
looking
at
them
to
decide
whether
we're
going
to
prove
them
or
not.
X
C
N
N
I
think
we've
already
brought
it
to
like
I've,
had
several
of
our
legal
teams
looked
at
the
same
stuff
and
said
that
the
capacity
attorney
was
was
a
violation
of
that
we've
had
about
about
six
attorneys.
Look
at
that.
It's
all
of
them
said
the
same
thing
that
the
charter
was
specific
on
that
item,
but
now
we're
going
to
make
it
more
clear
what
a
new
ordinance
now
to
move
forward.
You
know
we'll
deal
with
my
situation
where
that
comes
out,
but
right
now
I.
Just
think
probably
you
know
it's.
Those
things
are
Tibet.
N
Now
you
might
wake
up
some
Dead
skeletons
on
some
other
stuff
that
you
know
that
could
could
be
potentially
hurtful
to
the
city.
So
maybe
we
just
it's
been
bought
the
light.
You
bought
the
light
and
then
we
just
move
on
with
the
new
ordinance
and
just
move
on,
but
I
I
appreciate
what
you're
trying
to
do,
though
you
did
the
right
thing.
F
X
If
I
motion
that
that
city
council
requests
that
the
City
attorney
review.
X
C
N
F
Q
You,
sir,
so
you're
you're,
asking
that
those
records
be
made
available
to
you
to
any
city
council
member
who
wants
to
see
them.
Okay,
the
challenge
with
that's
going
to
be
I
mean
the
city
and
again
discussing
with
the
city
attorney.
We
there's
I'm
sure
a
ton
of
settlements
over
twenty
five
thousand
dollars,
I'm,
just
not
sure
of
the
volume
of
work
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
I
mean
if
you
want
to
inquire
into
them
in
their
public
records,
Etc
I'm
sure
that's
a
reasonable
request,
but
yeah.
C
K
X
No,
this
is
a
different
one.
This
is
different.
This
is
this
is
a
document
that
any
city
council
member
should
be
able
to
look
at
I
haven't
asked
for
it
yet,
but.
X
Just
so
it
probably
it
will
require
some,
they
will
try
to
do
a
legal
review
and
then
charge
me
for
legal
fees,
so
I'd,
rather
anybody
the
rest
of
you
may
want
to
look
at
them
too,
but
you
know
from
we're
we're
responsible
to
the
city
and
taxpayers,
and
so
I
I'm
just
curious
to
see.
What's
in
there,
I.
K
Think
we're
all
responsible
we'll
have
the
taxpayers
at
heart.
However,
I
got
to
really
now
take
that
Charter.
Give
it
to
my
attorney
to
read
it
see
if
it
all
the
factual,
factual,
I
might
doubting
your
question
and
your
wording,
but
I
got
to
make
sure
that
that's
in
the
charter
by
another
outside
opinion,
that's
what
I'm
going
to.
X
Do
and
give
them
the
2006
ordinance.
Please
pardon
me,
give
them
the
2006
ordinance,
the
one
that
that
we're
city
council
approved
by
the
mayor
and
the
City
attorney,
gave
the
City
attorney
the
right.
Q
Now
the
the
question
is
and
again
I
don't
want
to
dissect
this,
which
is
what
are
you
looking
for
when
it
includes
settlement?
Does
that
include
settlement
agreements?
Does
that
include
demand
letters?
Does
that
include
claim
files?
In
other
words,
you.
Q
Agreements
just
the
settlement
agreements,
I
are
our
settlement
agreements
and
I.
Don't
I,
don't
know
this
I've
never
dealt
in
in
public
sector
law
like
this.
Our
our
settlement
agreements
themselves,
public
records.
C
Q
And
that's
why
that's
why
I
mean
maybe
I'd
want
to
ask
the
City
attorney
on
a
few
issues
that
I'm
thinking
of
and
I'm
if
it
was
like
a
a
printout
of
X
versus
X
pay
out
this
amount,
something
like
that
I'm
sure!
That's
reasonable,
I!
Just
don't
want
to
open
up
I,
don't
want
to
use
the
term
can
of
worms
again
I.
Just
don't
want
to
open
up
something
that
could
result
in
a
whole
bunch
of
Records
getting
out
there
again
just.
N
B
Her
attack
Carlson.
Q
I
I
need,
like
I,
said
more
specificity.
I
want
to
support
the
request,
but
I
need
more
specificity.
So
is
that
enough.
E
X
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
bring
it's
okay,
I
like
to
make
a
motion
to
to
have
the
City
attorney,
come
back
and
staff
reports
next
week
to
review
how
to
deal
with
the
contracts
that
were
not
signed
since
2018
over
25
000,
and
to
discuss
whether
City
Council
Members
as
officers
of
the
city,
have
the
right
to
review
the
agreements.