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A
A
A
C
I
apologize
for
my
target,
but
we
had
a
lot
of
city
business
me
and
mr
shelby
had
to
take
care
of
before
I
could
return
we're
going
to
go
ahead.
I
know
mrs
edwards
has
asked
me
about
number
76,
but
I've
been
instructed,
as
there
are
closely
over
40
people,
maybe
to
speak
on
this
item.
Item
number
70,
which
is
the
noise
ordinance,
and
I
know
it's
a
big
deal.
C
So
if
you
would
give
me
personal
approach,
I
would
think
that
we
would
probably
just
go
ahead
and
hold
70
to
the
end,
because,
with
that
amount
of
people,
some
of
the
other
folks
behind
or
you
know,
don't
have
anybody
waiting.
I
think
that'd
be
in
the
best
interest
of
time
to
go
ahead
and
go
to
the
agenda
and
then
do
70
last
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
proceed,
as
does
anyone
have
any
comments
on
that
gentleman,
all
right
all
right,
all
right,
we'll
move
right
ahead!
Then
item
number
76,
please.
C
D
C
You
for
considering
our
case,
I'm
pana
mahadevia
and
my
husband
surendra
mahadevia.
Can
I
give
you
to
raise
your
hand
is
where
you
swear
you
in.
If
you
don't
mind,
ma'am.
E
B
C
F
F
This
is
being
proposed
for
rezoning
from
pd
plant
development,
congregate,
living
facility,
medical
office
and
business
professional
office
to
pd
plan
development,
business,
professional
office,
medical
office,
place
of
religious
assembly
and
recreational
facility.
I'm
here
for
any
questions.
If
needed,
side
plans
were
dropped
off
to
the
city
clerk
yesterday.
J
C
C
We
have
anyone
registered.
B
C
Is
registered
all
right,
ma'am
clerk,
all
right,
no
being
registered,
move
to
close
all
right.
We
have
mr
miranda,
mr
sithos.
Second
roll
call,
please
I'm
sorry
a
lot
like
going
on
this
afternoon.
You
know
you're
just
getting
back
in
the
fold.
Mr
miranda,
mr
citra,
all
in
favor
all
right,
any
opposed
all
right.
Motion:
okay,
we'll
go
back
start
it
with
mr
randall's
last
go
back
to
mr
vieira!
I
B
L
Ross
anderson's
coordination
presenting
item
number
77
file,
number
pac,
21-9
ordinance
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption,
an
ordinance
vacating
closing
discontinuing
and
abandoning
the
alleyway
located
south
of
oak
avenue,
north
of
7th
avenue,
west
of
morgan,
street
and
east
of
florida
avenue
within
the
plaid
of
highland
park.
First
edition
of
subdivision
city
of
tampa
staff
is
available.
If
you
have
any
questions.
M
We've
made,
we
appreciate
your
support
at
december
9th
hearing
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
J
No
one
on
this
second
floor
to
speak
on
that
island.
C
J
C
Sir,
anyone
raised
it
for
the
sign.
A
You
very
much,
mr
chairman.
I
have
an
ordinance
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption,
an
ordinance
vacating
closing
discontinuing
and
abandoning
a
rodder
boy,
alleyway
located
south
of
oak
avenue,
north
of
7th
avenue,
west
of
morgan,
street
and
east
of
florida
avenue
within
the
platte
of
highland
park.
First
edition,
a
subdivision
in
the
city
of
tampa
hillsborough
county
florida
has
more
fully
described
in
section
one
hero
of
subject
to
certain
easement
reservations,
covenants
conditions
and
restrictions
has
more
particularly
set
forth
herein,
providing
an
effective
date.
I
B
B
F
F
This
is
being
proposed
for
rezoning
from
ci
commercial,
intensive,
rm,
24,
residential
multi-family
and
pd
plan
development,
2
pd
plan
development,
residential
multi-family
retail
sales
and
storefront
residential
site
plans
were
dropped
off
yesterday
at
the
city
clerk.
I'm
here
for
any
questions
needed.
N
D
I'd
like
to
move
file
number
rec
2186
ordinance
being
presented
for
a
second
reading:
adoption
ordinance,
rezoning
property
in
general,
vicinia
1701,
north
florida
avenue
two
zero;
five:
two:
zero:
seven:
two:
zero
nine
two
one:
one
east
oak
avenue
one:
eight:
zero,
two
and
one:
eight
zero,
eight
north
morgan
street
and
two
zero;
two
east
seventh
avenue
in
the
city
of
tampa
florida,
more
particularly
described
in
section
1
from
zoning
district
classification,
ci,
commercial,
intensive,
rm,
24,
residential
multi-family
and
pd
planned
development
to
pd
plan
development,
residential
multi-family
retail
sales
and
storefront
residential,
providing
an
effective
date.
B
P
C
By
mr
miranda.
L
P
C
F
Thanks
so
much
zany
sane
development
coordination
agenda,
item
number
79
case
rez
21-76
is
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption
at
a
location,
907
north
willow
avenue
there's
a
proposed
resulting
from
rs
50
residential
single
family
to
rm18
residential
multi-family.
This
being
euclidean
no
site
plan
was
needed.
I'm
here
for
any
questions
if
needed,.
K
Will
you
recognize,
sir?
Yes,
mr
chairman,
and
just
for
the
purposes
of
the
record,
I
just
want
to
state
that
the
city
is
in
a
receipt
of
a
letter
from
attorney
ethan
loeb,
and
that
has
been
provided
to
the
clerk
and
is
going
to
be
made
paul.
It
is
being
made
part
of
the
record.
Thank
you.
J
J
C
P
C
P
You
very
much
mr
chair
final
number,
rec
21-76
northeast
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption
and
norton.
This
resulted
in
the
property,
the
general
vicinity
of
907
north
willow
avenue
in
the
city
of
tampa
florida
and
more
particularly
describing
section
1
from
zoning
district
classification,
rs50,
residential
single
family
to
rm18
residential
multifamily,
providing
an
effective
date.
C
Second,
by
miss
miranda,
roll
call,
dean.
P
B
P
F
Thank
you
so
much
zane
hussein
development
coordination
agenda
item
number
80
case.
Raz
21-78
is
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption
at
a
location,
809
west
line
ball
avenue.
There's
a
proposed
rezoning
from
rs
60,
residential
single
family
to
pd
plan
development,
residential
single
family
detached
and
semi-detached
side
plans
were
dropped
off
yesterday
to
the
city
clerk's
office.
I'm
here
for
any
questions
if
needed,.
C
B
C
I
Think,
mr
chairman
item
number
eighty
file
number
rec
21-78
an
order
is
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption:
an
owner's
rezoning
property
in
general
vicinity
of
809
west
linebaugh
avenue
in
the
city
of
tampa
florida
and
more
particularly
described
in
section
one
from
zoning
district
classification,
rs60
residential
single
family
to
pd,
planned
development,
residential
single
family,
detached
ansemity
chat,
providing
an
effective
date.
Second,.
C
F
This
is
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption
at
the
location,
1015
lilly
white
court,
scott
15555
and
one
five
zero,
two
nucio
parkway
there's
a
proposed
rezoning
from
yc2
ebor
city,
residential
and
rm
24,
residential
multi-family,
two
yc-9
ybor
city,
planned
development
and
pd
plan
development,
residential
multifamily
and
storefront
residential
site
plans
were
dropped
off
yesterday
to
the
city
clerk.
I'm
here
for
any
questions,
if
needed,.
Q
C
J
F
Thanks
so
much
zany
hussein
development
coordination
agenda
agenda,
item
number
82
case
rez,
21-106
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption
at
the
location,
801,
east
26th
avenue.
There's
a
proposal
rezoning
from
pd
plan
development
to
pd
plan
development,
residential
multi-family
site
plans
were
dropped
off
yesterday
to
the
city
clerk's
office.
I'm
here
for
any
questions
if
needed,.
R
B
C
All
right
is
there
anyone
on
the
second
floor.
Speaking
on
this
item,
82.
C
I
C
Impose
motion
granted,
mr
maniscalco,
would
you
do
honestly.
A
All
right
number
82.:
I
have
an
ordinance
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption
norton's
rezoning
property
in
the
general
vicinity
of
801
east
26th
avenue
in
the
city
of
tampa
florida
and
more
particularly
described
in
section
1
from
zoning
district
classification,
pd
plan
development
to
pd
plan
development,
residential
multi-family,
providing
an
effective
date.
Take
my
mr.
B
C
Need
to
move
resolution
to
right
so
move
second,
second
by
mr
miranda,
all
in
favor
all
right
can
you
pose.
B
C
C
F
3418-3420-3422
west
lasalle
street
and
3417
and
3421
west
arch
street
there's
a
proposed
rezoning
from
ci
commercial
intensive
and
rs
50
residential
single
family
2pd,
planned
development.
Residential
single
family
attached
site
plans
were
dropped
off
yesterday
to
the
city
clerk's
office.
For
any
questions,
if
needed,.
Q
This
project,
so
I
don't
think
he
may
be
having
some
technical
difficulties
but.
C
C
All
right
anything
to
speak
on
gentlemen.
C
And
when
the
second
floor
is
filled
with
item
83,
we
have
anyone
registered.
No
one
is
registered,
we'll
close
I'll
move
it.
Okay,
mr
miranda,
second
one,
mr
citroel
in
favor
all.
C
D
B
B
C
F
J
Steve
michelini
representing
the
petitioner:
this
is
a
petition
for
rs
50,
going
to
rm16
and,
as
the
staff
has
indicated,
we
had
support
and
no
no
issues.
Regarding
the
consistency
with
a
comprehensive
plan
or
the
city
of
tampa
codes,
we
meet
the
various
land
use
policies
associated
with
this
and
respectfully
request
your
approval.
All
right.
Q
J
F
B
B
G
Wanted
to
thank
the
wellsworth
civic
association
for.
C
Any
questions
let's
go
in
being
done.
Anyone
on
the
second
floor
to
speak
on
the
side.
C
I
I
You,
mr
chairman,
item
number
585
file,
number
rec,
22-08
or
notice
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption:
an
onus
re-zoning
property
in
general
vicinity
of
5215
north
howard
avenue
in
the
city
of
tampa
florida
and
more
particularly
described
in
sections
one
from
zoning,
district
classification,
rs60
residential
single
family
to
ci
commercial,
intensive,
providing
an
effective
date.
Second,.
B
E
Johnsonville
is
assistant
city
attorney.
Number
86
is
the
second.
This
is
the
second
reading
of
an
ordinance,
the
correct
discriminator's
error
by
substituting
a
new
site
plan
for
a
previously
approved
site
plan
in
order
to
accurately
pick
the
real
property
parcel
consistent
with
the
legal
description,
that's
upon
the
ordinance
and
on
the
site
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
B
H
Yes,
I
do.
This
is
jamie
mayer.
G
Of
law
from
hillary
henderson
for
the
applicant,
I
don't
have
anything
additional.
J
To
answer
any
questions
in
case,
there
have
been
any
since
first
reading.
Thank
you.
C
B
C
Second,
one
citroen
on
favor
all
right
any
opposed
motion
granted
mr
yeah,
mr
dinkle
you're
down
back
now,
so
you
you
batter
up
86.
all
right.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
In
regard
to
rec
19-9-4.
B
C
L
A7
ross
sammons
medical
coordination,
presenting
item
number
87
file,
number
vac-21-14
ordinance
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption,
an
ordinance
vacating
closing
discontinuing
and
abandoning
right-of-way
alleyway
located
south
of
east
20th
avenue,
north
east
19th
avenue
west
of
north
21st,
street
and
east
of
bonza
street
within
the
plight
of
bonzobanza,
subdivision
and
city
of
tampa.
I
would
like
to
point
out
to
the
council
that
the
applicant
mr
tate
was
available
earlier
before
break
and
was
unavailable
after
the
break,
and
I
told
him
I
would
relay
that
message
to
you.
I'm
available
for
any
questions.
M
C
L
Sir,
I
will
ford
norton
is
being
presented
for
second
reading,
an
adoption
order
and
is
vacating
closing
discontinuing
abandoning
a
right-of-way
alley
located
in
east
of
or
strike
that
south
of
east
20th
avenue
north
of
east
19th
avenue
west
of
north
21st
street
in
the
east
of
banza
street,
within
the
plan
of
banza
banza
and
a
subdivision
in
the
city
of
tampa
hillsborough
county
florida,
more
particularly
described
in
section
one
here
up,
subject
to
certain
easement
reservations,
covenants
conditions
and
restrictions
is
more
particularly
set
forth
here
in
providing
an
effective
date.
Second
same.
F
C
I
2022.
phone
number
bac.
C
21-15
all
right,
mr
miranda,
I
think
we
have
mr
vieira
second,
that
mr
shelby,
you
recognized.
K
C
C
C
L
L
The
existing
right-of-way
is
1900
square
feet.
The
alley
is
unimproved
grass
and
does
not
show
any
apparent
use
by
bidding
owners
in
those
tire
tracks.
Frontier
is
within
this
alley
and
requires
an
easement
reservation.
Overall,
the
alley
does
not
continue
to
the
west.
The
csx
railroad
is
west
of
the
block
and
is
not
part
of
the
subdivision
flat.
The
alley
does
continue
east
of
20th
street.
L
L
M
One
of
those
one
of
those
pictures
showed
some
bricks
bricks
in
the
in
in
a
street.
On
the
picture,
I
assume
that's
not
part
of
the
subject
of
a
vacated
alley,
or
should
I
assume
that
correct?
M
M
B
J
I'm
james
catalano,
2119
west
cass
street,
I'm
the
agent
for
the
applicant
jhjm
commercial
building
llc,
whose
manager
josh
hutchin
is
here
with
me,
we're
applying
to
vacate
the
alley
at
1917,
oakwood
avenue
defined
as
block
8
edgewater
park.
I
know
you
have
a
difficult
agenda,
so
we're
going
to
be
brief.
C
J
Here
we
have
it
now.
Thank
you.
Okay.
Thank
you.
Edgewater
park
subdivision
was
planted
in
1912
by
cr
night.
It's
made
up
of
about
400
single-family
lots
50
by
95,
and
each
of
the
lots
are
serviced
by
a
service
alley
of
10
feet
that,
along
the
rear
property
lines.
This
alley
originally
was
for
ice
delivery
and
trash
removal.
J
J
J
J
Each
of
the
lots
are
zoned
industrial
general
and
by
comparing
the
adjacent
properties,
the
ig
properties
that
predominantly
service
the
port.
It's
apparent
that
ig
requires
a
a
little
bit
of
a
larger
track,
so
these
alleys
have
been
closed
to
accommodate
the
igu.
There's
larger
vehicles,
larger
turnarounds,
larger
staging
requirement
to
accommodate
ig
to
service
the
port.
The
applicant
also
wishes
to
secure
his
property
and
posterity
from
illegal
dumping,
and
what
have
you
given
all
this
and
that
there
was
no
public
or
staff
objections?
J
M
M
M
No
nobody
online.
We
have
a
motion
from
mr
miranda
to
close
second
for
mr
maniscalco,
all
in
favor
aye
aye,
and
he
opposed
okay,
we'll
entertain
a
motion
for
number
89..
A
Thank
you
very
much.
I
have
an
ordinance
being
presented
for
first
reading,
consideration,
ordnance,
vacating,
closing
discontinuing
and
abandoning
a
right-of-way
alleyway
located
south
of
oakwood
avenue
north
of
ocean
view,
place
east
of
the
csx
railroad
right
away
and
west
of
20th
street
within
the
platte
of
edgewater
park,
a
subdivision
in
the
city
of
tampa
hillsborough
county
florida
as
more
fully
described
in
section
one
here
of
subject
to
certain
covenants
conditions
and
restrictions
is
more
particularly
set
forth
here
in
and
providing
an
effective
date.
B
M
B
M
C
1991
we
have
about
10
speakers
for
that.
Actually,
in
I
remember
70
we
have
about
37
speakers
item
92,
we're
going
to
clear
it.
That's
not
going
to
be
heard,
so
it
was
cleared
off
the
calendar
on
move
to
strike
92.
all
right
check
it
out.
Mr
miranda,
all
in
favor
all
right
impose
motion
granted.
K
Rushing
us
thank
you,
martin
shelby
city,
council
attorney
and
I'm
sorry
to
interrupt,
but
with
regard
to
item
70,
as
mr
chairman
is
aware
that
the
staff
has
notified
us
that
the
police
captain
has
limited
availability
till
four
o'clock,
so
I
don't
know
how
that
factored
into
what
the
discussion
was
he's
here.
Well,
I.
C
Know
that
we're
right
at
about
2
15
right
right
now,
yes-
and
I
believe
we
might
can
get
91
out
the
way
before
the
police
captain
has
to
leave
for
because
I
know
number
seven
is
going
to
be
pretty
intense
with
that
number
of
speakers,
so
I
would
prefer
to
get
91
out
of
the
way
and
then
we'll
go
into
70..
M
Point
of
order
question
you
recognize
thank
you,
mr
shelby
or
mr
chairman,
with
so
many
people
speaking
and
we've
received
lots
of
emails,
etc.
On
this
noise
ordinance,
would
it
be
unreasonable
for
us
or
improper
for
us
perhaps
to
limit
the
speed
speeches
to
two
minutes
instead
of
three.
E
K
And
there
is
counsel,
it
is
council's
discretion.
The
default
time
is
three
minutes
and
I
can
pull
up
chapter
and
verse
if
you
need
it,
but
I
do
know
from
my
experience
that
it
is
council's
determination
to
set
the
time
limits
by
if
it
wishes
to
wave
the
rules
and
set
it
by
motion,
because.
M
K
M
C
C
And
oh
and
seven
register
for
item
70.:
okay,
mr
beer
and.
C
L
K
P
D
C
C
J
I
always
like
to
introduce
two
members.
I
don't
believe
that's
come
before
city
council
before
getting.
B
J
Nadew
is
a
planner
in
our
office.
She
is
the
new
vrv
administrator
she'll
be
handling
the
appeal
today
and
stephen
eister
is
one
of
the
new
forest
examiners.
Actually
he
doesn't
really
that
new,
but
he's
a
new
forest,
examiner
and
they're
here
to
present
the
case,
I'm
here
just
in
support
of
needed.
K
Thank
you,
martin
shelby
city
council,
attorney,
this
being
the
130
hearing.
I
don't
know
whether
this
is
this
covers
it,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
any
ex
parte
communications
for
hearings
that
have
not
yet
been
heard
are
received
and
filed
and
made
part
of
the
record
by
unanimous
consent,
counsel.
There's.
C
H
H
H
H
H
After
considering
all
the
evidence
introduced
into
the
record
of
today's
hearing,
city
council
may
affirm
the
vrb's
decision
to
deny
the
variances
or
council
may
overturn
the
vrb's
decision
and
approve
the
experiences
requested
or
council
may
remand
this
back
to
the
variance
review
board.
With
that,
I
will
turn
the
presentation
over
to
jane
nadew
I'm
available
to
answer
any
questions.
G
G
2808
west
gandy
boulevard,
the
petitioner
is
matt
bentley,
the
property
owner
is
kojak's
holding
company,
this
property
is
zoned
cg
and
the
variance
request
is
to
remove
two
grand
trees
and
the
purpose
is
for
development
of
single
family
attached
welding
units.
The
code
requirement
that
is
under
review
is
section
27-284.2.5.
G
In
its
decision
and
section
27-80
on
the
criteria
for
approving
a
variance
request,
one
of
the
sections
section
a
does
state
that
the
proposed
building
of
the
proposed
structure
has
to
meet
the
principle
structure.
Setbacks
have
some
infrastructure
setbacks
and
protect
the
trees,
and
also
section
c
does
say
that
they
need
to
provide
alternative
site
plans
that
show
that
they're
looking
at
alternatives
to
preserve
those
trees
for
removal.
G
Now
the
applicant
came
before
the
variance
review
board
on
september
14
2021
and
after
testimony,
the
board
decided
to
deny
the
request
with
a
vote
of
four
to
three.
G
At
this
point,
staff
would
like
to
also
put
on
record
that
the
applicant
has
applied
for
a
design
exception
one,
and
that
was
to
meant
to
change
the
orientation
of
the
funders
not
to
face
the
right
of
way,
but
instead
to
face
an
interior
court.
They
also
applied
for
a
special
use
application,
and
that
was
for
the
single
family
attached
to
units
21
single
fee,
simple
townhomes
that
was
denied,
and
they
have
reapplied
again
for
the
special
use
and
they
also
have
a
rezoning
that
is
pending
as
well.
G
G
This
is
a
site
plan
that
the
applicant
provided
with
the
variance
review
application.
It
is
showing
those
three
rows
of
of
town
homes,
seven
units
per
row-
and
this
is
a
close-up
of
that
same
plan-
and
this
is
the
plan
that
issue
with
the
trees
taken
out.
G
The
applicant
did
go
ahead
to
provide
two
alternative
site
plans
showing
how
they
could
potentially
preserve
those
two
two
trees
that
they
were
requesting
to
take
out.
This
is
one
of
the
alternative
side
plans
that
they
have
provided,
and
this
is
the
second
site
plan
that
they
provided,
showing
how
they
would
potentially
save
those
two
trees.
G
M
Okay,
ms
maru,
can
you
go
back
three
slides.
M
All
right
this
one
correct,
so
do
you
have
a
a
pointer
or
anything
that
can
then
okay,
so
generally
speaking,
what?
Where
are
the
trunks
of
the
two
trees?
Unless
you
have
a
better
drawing.
G
M
Okay,
so
that
would
be
the
what
the
west
sort
of
the
west
side.
G
M
M
All
right
and
and
then
and
then
the
next
slide.
C
Oh
okay,
all
right
all
right.
We
we
swore
the
applicants
in.
B
O
I
have
with
me
today,
michael
minsberg,
who
is
with
the
development
group,
that's
going
to
speak
and
present
and
talk
a
little
more
in
detail.
Councilman
ding
felder
on
some
of
the
questions
you
asked.
I
also
have
mark
hughes
who's,
our
arborist
that
can
answer
some
questions.
We
do
have
a
powerpoint.
Is
the
powerpoint
available
I'd
like
to
go
to
page
one
of
the
powerpoint.
C
Madame
his
powerpoint.
O
Thank
you
very
much
so
with
that
one
comment:
I'm
replacing
today
mark
bentley,
a
friend
of
mine.
He
couldn't
make
the
hearing,
so
I'm
filling
in
for
him
today.
O
If
I
could
have
the
second
slide,
please
so,
as
as
the
staff
commented,
we
are
here
on
a
repeal
from
the
vrb
board
denial
of
two
of
the
three
grand
trees.
We
are
retaining
one
of
the
grand
trees.
The
vrb
did
vote
four
to
three.
It
was
a
close
vote
again.
Could
I
have
the
the
second
slide
please?
Whenever
there
we
go?
Thank
you.
O
I
note
that
there
are
no
other
tree
variances
and
we
are
retaining
50
of
the
remaining
trees,
as
required
by
the
code
talking
about
kojacs
for
a
minute.
I
think
everyone's
pretty
familiar
with
it,
but
just
in
case
it's.
Basically,
it
was
a
repurposed
residential
structure
built
in
approximately
1927
and,
as
far
as
I
can
tell,
nothing's
changed
since
then
went
out
this
morning
to
identify
modern
infrastructure
and
the
reality
is.
There
is
no
infrastructure,
there's
no
drainage
facilities,
no
sidewalks,
no
parking,
no
lighting,
no
landscape.
O
We
do
recognize
the
current
high
level
of
development
that's
occurring,
and
the
fact
is
based
on
that
recent
state
legislation.
A
few
years
ago.
We
are
losing
trees
in
south
tampa
and
around
florida.
Excuse
me
actually
around
florida,
because
residential
property
owners
have
the
right,
basically
with
the
approval
of
a
of
arborist,
to
remove
trees,
but,
unlike
the
state
statute,
we're
basically
allowed
which
allows
the
arborist
to
make
the
determination.
O
We
are
here
to
seek
your
approval
to
balance
the
various
interests
based
on
the
particular
facts
pertaining
to
this
property,
and
I
also
note
I
recently
in
the
paper
that
currently
there's
the
required
five-year
update
on
the
canopy
five-year
canopy
and
I
know
that's
a
concern
for
city
council,
but
I
do
know
it.
I,
as
I
recall
there
was
a
city
council
member
that
commented
that,
during
these
various
processes,
zonings
that
the
city
council
needs
to
pay
attention
to
this
issue,
but
also
commented.
O
O
The
property
is
zoned
cm,
u35
cg
zoning
again,
this
is
provides
for
significant
density
along
a
major
arterial
along
gandy.
This
is
where
development
should
occur.
O
So
with
that,
could
I
could
we
move
to
page
three,
please
the
next
page.
So
here's
a
couple
of
points
again,
I
told
you
that
michael
is
going
to
come
up
and
really
focus
on
the
plans
and
why
the
alternative
doesn't
work,
but
I
want
to
touch
upon
a
couple
of
issues.
One
a
code
provision
here
states,
the
variances
for
tree
removal
shall
be
approved
when
a
hardship
restricts
reasonable
redesign.
O
We
are
proposing
21
and
you'll
see
a
plan.
Today
we
actually
tried
to
put
more
units
with
smaller
units
to
13.,
so
it's
up
from
what
I
believe
is
11
to
13,
but
even
that
is
not
reasonable
and
doesn't
really
make
economic
sense
and
it
does
not
utilize
the
property,
but
that
still
only
provides
for
36
percent
of
the
entitled
density
and,
more
importantly,
we're
going
to
show
a
plan
if
it's
not
residential.
O
What
about
commercial
and
you,
a
commercial
layout
on
this
property
would
also
require
the
grand
jury
removal
which
we
will
show,
and
so
finally,
if
I
could
go
to
the
next
page,
please-
and
this
I'm
just
going
to
briefly
discuss
the
arborist
report,
the
two
grand
trees,
I'm
sure,
if
you've
been
been
there,
you
would
know
that
there
there's
been
parking
right
up
to
the
base
of
the
trees.
O
In
fact,
the
biggest
tree-
that's
right
next
to
the
current
structure,
is,
is
undermining
the
foundation
of
the
of
the
structure
and
had
the
structure
been
allowed.
If
the
structure
remained
for
two
more
years
under
the
city's
code,
that
tree
could
be
removed.
O
As
expected,
the
highly
compacted
root
zone
is
owned
for
years
of
vehicle
traffic
and
aggregate
compaction,
which
is
causing
problems
with
the
trees.
That's
why
they're
in
poor
shape
obvious
lack
of
recent
growth
that
is
evident
with
thinning
canopy
lack
of
recent
shoot
growth
and
thinning
flaking
bark,
a
couple
other
points
and
then
again
I'll
turn
it
over
to
michael,
because
I
want.
I
definitely
want
us
to
have
time
to
talk
about
the
alternative
and
why
this
plan
makes
sense.
A
couple
other
comments.
O
O
And
another
one
further:
the
arborist
recommends
removal
because
they
do
not
believe
they
will
survive
redevelopment
in
any
case
due
to
urban
impacts
occurring
long
before
the
developer.
Those
impacts
are
basically
cars,
cars,
cars
pruning
that
wasn't
done
properly,
and
so
with
that,
if
I
could
have
you
scroll
to
the
next
five
six,
if
we
could
go
two
more
please
if
we
could
go
two
more
pages
in
any
event,
when
we,
when
we
get
there.
The
point
of
this
is
that
initially,
when
the
staff.
M
Q
Q
J
Q
O
Then
I'll
have
michael
come
up
and
we'll
we
can
start
getting
into
the
plans
just
point
out
that
the
two
arborists
we
had,
which
are
approved
with
the
city
concluded
they're
in
poor
condition
and
the
initial
staff
report
that
was
produced,
provided
that
our
request
was
consistent.
Now
we're
not
denying
that
staff
can
change
their
mind
and
revise
it
and
that's
what
they
did.
But
I
think
this
finding
an
issue
at
least
suggests
that
our
request
isn't
unreasonable
and
is
certainly
rational
and
with
that
I'd
like
michael
to
come
up.
F
F
What
you'll
see
up
on
the
slide
is
that
we're
showing
that
today,
what
I'm
going
to
show
you
is
that
there
is
no
reasonable
use
of
this
property
that
does
not
require
grand
tree
removal
and
per
the
code.
We
meet
the
requirements
for
variance
approval.
What
you
see
on
the
slide
are
the
three
most
comparable
multi-family
multi-family
sites,
all
within
one
block
of
the
subject:
property
all
on
gandhi,
boulevard.
If
you
could
go
to
the
next
slide,
please.
F
All
of
those
sites
are
about
an
acre
zone,
commercial
general
all
have
the
same
zoning,
they
all
have
a
multi-family
use
and
they
all
have
been
developed
to
20
units
per
acre,
so
I
think
they're,
all
the
same
size,
same
use
and
even
on
the
same
block,
think
it's
reasonable
to
believe
that
we
should
have
the
same
property
rights
next
slide.
Please,
city
staff
asked
us
to
show
an
alternative
site
plan.
F
You
all
saw
one
earlier
that
we
had
submitted
back
in
the
beginning
of
the
variance
request
since
then
to
meet
other
requirements
and
have
50
tree
retention
on
the
property.
We've
reduced
the
actual
sizes
of
the
units,
so
we
were
able
to
get
from
20
from
sorry
10
to
potentially
13
units
on
this
site.
F
F
The
one
in
the
bottom
right
corner
is
the
grand
tree
that
we
will
be
retaining
with
with
this.
This
would
require
an
eight
unit
reduction,
which
is
38
reduction
and
36
of
the
allowable
density.
I
think
that
alone
is
clearly
unreasonable,
but
if
you
could
please
go
to
the
next
slide.
F
I
think
this
is
the
most
important
part
of
our
presentation.
Developing
urban
sites
are
always
difficult
and
have
their
challenges.
What
you'll
see
here,
I've
highlighted
and
read
two
units
that
I
frankly
do
not
believe
would
be
approved.
We
wanted
to
have
an
honest
representation
in
front
of
you,
so
you'll
see
a
squirrely
road
going
through
those
two
grand
trees
that
road,
what
it
symbolizes
is
a
emergency
vehicle
stabilized
access,
road
fire
fire
marshal
will
not
allow
needs
a
way
for
the
fire
truck
to
get
out
or
turn
around.
F
They
won't
back
up
from
my
experience
on
this
fight
site.
Specifically,
they
even
made
me
increase
my
drive
valves
from
22
to
24
feet
that
aisle
going
through
that
trees
is
nowhere
close
to
24.,
it's
probably
more
like
16
feet,
that's
a
that's!
A
a
non-waveable.
F
Variance
because
it's
a
life
safety
issue,
so
even
if
the
fire
marshal
and
from
my
experience
and
as
I
should
be,
the
fire
marshal
is
not
very
lenient
when
it
comes
to
life
safety
issues,
but
even
if
they
did
approve
that,
we
would
have
to
then
get
natural
resources
to
approve
that
road
going
through
there
and
that
stabilized
access
road
would
cause
further
harm
to
those
trees.
As
you
can
see,
if
they're
within
the
tree
radius.
F
F
I
do
think
that
some
of
the
the
the
reason
for
public
has
has
pushed
back
on.
This
is.
F
Sorry,
I
think,
proving
the
true
hardship,
proving
the
true
hardship
reduces
reasonable.
Multi-Family
development
should
be
enough,
but
I
believe
public
opposition
is
due
to
a
losing
restaurant
and
even
though
that
should
have
no
bearing
on
the
variant's
approval.
I'm
going
to
compare
the
subject
property
to
the
closest
most
comparable
retail
property
to
prove
reasonable
redevelopment
would
require
grand
tree
removal,
the
site
that
I'm
comparing
it
to
is
2908
gandhi,
which
is
just
one
block
away
again.
I'm
trying
to
use
very,
very
close
proximity
examples
all
are
on
the
same
street.
F
If
you
could
go
to
next
slide,
please,
the
comparable
property
is
0.62
acres
and
has
8
554
square
square
foot
feet
of
building
in
the
same
zoning.
That's
a
0.31.
Far.
We've
done
a
comparison
with
a
0.21
far
so
we're
developing
to
about
two-thirds
of
the
density
they
are
and
21
of
the
allowable
density
on
the
site,
which
is
for
that
45
780
square
feet
of
commercial.
F
F
Okay,
if,
if
that
structure
was
retained,
we
would
we
would
also
need
to
remove
these
because
they're
hazardous
to
the
structure.
F
F
I
have
proven
that
there
is
no
use
reasonable
use
for
this
property,
which
will
not
restrict
reasonable
development
for
any
allowable
use.
I've
lived
in
tampa
for
20
years
graduated
from
usf
and
have
been
developing
real
estate
in
tampa
for
15
years
site
development
is
a
locally
owned.
Boutique
development
firm,
I'm
typically
in
front
of
city
council
twice
a
year
for
approvals.
I
love
tampa,
I'm
a
pr
I'm
proud
of
the
urban
infield
projects
we
have
done,
which
includes
significant
historic
preservation.
F
H
Mr
chair,
if
I
may,
I
have
several
points
of
simone
savino
with
the
city
attorney's
office.
I
have
several
points
of
clarification.
I
just
wanted
to
bring
forward
to
council
very
quickly.
C
H
E
H
Application
that
was
previously
submitted
was
for
a
single
theme,
so
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
to
your
attention.
That's
not
those
are
not
the
same.
Additionally,
steven
eister
from
natural
resources
is
available
to
address
the
staff
reports,
I'd
like
to
go
forward
and
do
so.
And
lastly,
I
just
wanted
to
mention
to
you
that
the
hardship
criteria
in
sections
27,
284.2.5
and
27-80
is
what
is
which
should
be
the
basis
of
this
decision,
and
that
is
included
right
before
you.
H
That's
when
your
packets
right
for
you
and
with
that
I'd
like
to
just
turn
it
over
to
mr
steven
and
I
started
natural
resources
very
quickly,.
G
All
right
so
kind
of
just
going
over
some
of
their
comments.
They
made
real
quick
when
you
do
grand
tree
removal
on
commercial
properties,
you
have
to
put
all
the
mitigation
back
on
site
which
they
cannot
fear
their
plans.
G
Secondly,
from
they're
talking
about
tree
retention.
If
you
look
at
their
plan
where
they're
claiming
they
have
50
retention,
those
are
trees
within
sidewalks
and
with
other
improvements.
M
Thank
you,
mr
steven.
Your
licensed
arborist,
yes,
sir
okay
and
you're,
with
the
with
the
city
of
tampa
just
for
the
record,
correct,
correct.
Okay,
the
testimony
we've
heard
so
far
in
from
the
petitioner
indicates
that
the
condition
that
they
established
from
their
arborists
was
quote
poor
and
c7
and
c8.
G
Yes,
so
there
has
been
numerous.
G
There
has
been
numerous
reports
from
the
city
on
the
site.
This
is
not
a
new
site.
This
is
not
the
first
time
we've
looked
at
these
trees.
G
When
we
met
out
on
site,
the
big
question
was
target.
Well,
currently,
there
is
no
target
so
that
automatically
drops
the
ratings
down
to
even
below
what
they're
showing,
because
that
was
kind
of
the
big
discrepancy
that
was
made.
M
Okay,
so
I
haven't:
haven't:
eaten
there
numerous
times
familiar
with
the
tree.
I
think
there
is
some
asphalt
around
it
and
that
there
has
been
in
the
past,
but
as
an
arborist
is
there
an
opportunity?
G
Yeah,
there's
multiple
different
methods,
depending
on
how
the
arbors
prefers
to
do
it.
There's
removal
and
they're
like
air
spading
to
re-aerate
the
soil.
G
M
Right,
let's
talk
about
the
quote
fire
road
that
I
think
is
along
the
west
side
is:
is
that
within
the
protected
radius
of
of
the
of
those
two
trees
or
either
one
of
those
trees.
G
I
think
it
goes
between
the
two
trees,
but
a
stabilized
road
can
be
pervious
which
will
allow
water
and
things
like
that
still
to
get
through
the
road
into
the
trees,
and
hopefully
it
never
needs
to
be
used.
So
hopefully
we
never
have
to
worry
about
the
compaction
from
repeated
traffic
like
it.
They
have
now.
G
M
So
if
they
had
a
fire
road,
it
would
be
of
such
a
temporary
in
nature
and
and
a
transient
nature
that
they
wouldn't
have
to
build
it
to
normal
standards.
They
could
use
pervious,
pavers
yeah
and
that
sort
of
thing
correct
all
right.
I
had
a
couple
more
questions,
but
if
anybody
else
had
another
question
I'll
come
back
since
it
looks
like
I'm
cheering
this
second
yeah,
mr
miranda.
I
G
G
M
M
M
Okay,
I
had
I
had
one
or
two
questions
for
the
petitioner.
Perhaps
mr
mintzberg.
F
M
So
it's
a
little
bit
hard
to
quote
eliminate
those
two
units,
but
but
I
think,
if
we
didn't
eliminate
the
two
units
you
you're
talking
about
the
first
picture
we
saw,
which
was
21
units
to
13
units,
correct,
correct,
and
it's
your
testimony
that
that's
an
unreasonable
reduction
correct
and
that
you
have
no
reasonable
use
beneficial
use
at
if
it's,
if
you're
stuck
with
13,
correct,
okay,
I've
noticed,
for
example,
on
davis
island,
and
I
think
it
was
commercial
property
on
davis
boulevard.
M
The
some
multi-family
projects
apartment
projects-
or
I
don't
know
what
they
are.
I
don't
know
if
they're
apartments
or
condominiums
or
what
have
you
you've,
got
sort
of
a
traditional
townhome
project
proposed
on
this
parcel.
F
F
They
are
just
they're
at
38
feet
before
the
parapet.
Wall.
F
Yeah,
we
could
not
add
an
additional
floor,
and
because
then
you
got
to
remember
all
the
the
whole
building
has
to
be
elevated
to
make
room
for
parking
underneath.
F
First
floor
exactly
so
all
your
parking
would
slide
underneath
and
then
you
would
have
to
have
you
know
to
get
that
additional
density.
You
know
still
four
stories
of
living
space.
M
G
Yes,
staff
would
like
to
make
a
correction
regarding
the
height
of
the
structure.
He
says
that
he's
capped
at
30
feet
no.
G
For
cg
it's
45,
but
when,
when
you're
coming
in
for
residential
in
cg,
you
can
go
up
to
60.
However,
for
every
height
above
30
feet,
you
have
to
increase
the
required
yard
setbacks
by
one
foot,
so
there
is
potential
for
him
to
go
higher.
He
just
has
to
meet
the
setback
requirements
right.
M
F
F
M
Sir,
I
had
one
other
question
for
mr
steady
yep
and
then
I'm
done
mr
chair
sure,
councilman
good
afternoon,
scott,
the
when
you
speak
to
no
other
variances
sought.
M
M
O
Councilman,
if
you
don't
mind
michael,
can
clarify
the
issue.
Okay,.
F
Yes,
thank
you,
so
we
did
apply
for
a
design
exception,
which
was
has
already
been
approved
administratively
and
that
just
had
to
do
with
the
orientation
of
the
units,
and
it's
a
regularly
approved
we
are
only
applying
for
for
one
variance.
Staff
has
has
not
reviewed
our
latest
site
plan
because
when
we
submitted
for
the
special
su-1
they
said
they
would
not
review
it
until
after
this
variance
review
board
within
that,
we've
met
all
the
other
requirements
for
green
space
and
50
percent
tree
retention.
H
C
H
Finally,
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
last
point
there,
so
there
is
an
su-1
pending.
Currently
it's
not
approved,
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
there.
So
as
far
as
retention
goes,
that's
that
has
not
been
approved.
G
D
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
state
that
not
related
to
the
to
the
applicant
directly,
but
my
house,
where
I
live,
is,
is
one
street
away
and
I
was
not
in
the
notice
area.
I'm
I'm
way
more
than
250
feet
away.
I
just
wanted
for
the
record
to
say
I've
spoken
to
marty.
D
I've
also
spoke
in
the
legal
department
and
there's
no
legal
requirement
for
me
to
recuse
myself,
and
I
it
gandy
is
a
is
a
world
away
from
the
street
that
I
live
on,
so
I've
I
feel
like
there's,
I'm
completely
impartial.
It
has
no
bearing
on
my
my
decision
marty.
Do
you
want
to
ask
me
anything
else.
D
J
C
B
J
J
J
J
J
J
N
C
N
N
B
N
My
name
is
caroline
bennett,
I'm
a
lifelong
resident
of
tampa
I'd
like
to
point
out,
and
you
can
verify
this
with
staff,
but
the
only
site
plan
that
they
have
in
front
of
them
is
going
to
require
multiple
waivers
or
variances.
They
do
not
meet
the
green
space.
They
do
not
meet
the
mitigation,
they
don't
meet
the
pre-retention.
N
N
The
2016
tree
report
found
a
decrease
in
tampa's
trees.
The
next
report
will
show
even
greater
loss.
Some
people
make
fun
of
tree
huggers
and
say
we're
impractical,
and
we
ignore
the
hard
work
of
running
a
successful
city.
Well,
I
say
with
cold
calculating
avarice.
If
you
want
more
money,
get
more
trees.
If
you
want
less
money,
cut
them
down.
N
The
2016
report
stated
tampa's
trees
save
about
139
million
dollars
a
year.
The
cost
of
that
tree
loss
is
2.8
million
a
year
every
year.
Think
about
it.
That's
almost
three
million
dollars
of
free
money.
We
are
losing
every
year.
The
next
report
will
probably
double
that
amount.
The
urban
forest
provides
countless
benefits
that
have
a
positive
impact
on
human
health
and
welfare.
Many
benefits,
like
avoided
runoff,
depend
on
leaf
area
oak
trees
account
for
27
percent
of
our
leaf
area.
N
Tampa
has
a
young
forest.
Seventy
percent
of
its
trees
are
small.
It
should
only
be
twenty
five
percent.
The
study
specifically
cited
tree
removals
due
to
development
for
this
imbalance.
We
cannot
afford
to
lose
any
of
our
large
trees.
Most
of
a
tree's
benefits
are
not
achieved
until
it
is
mature.
If
you
remove
mature
oaks,
you
take
away
the
storm
water
buffer
for
that
neighborhood
and
it
is
going
to
flood,
and
you
have
changed
the
character
of
that
neighborhood.
Forever
live
oaks
live
for
centuries.
N
The
people
in
this
room
will
not
live
long
enough
to
see
the
benefits
of
the
trees
we
plant.
Today,
we
must
play
the
long
game.
We
must
not
be
seduced
by
short-term
temptations.
An
appropriate
plan
would
provide
space
and
aeration
for
these
trees.
This
has
been
done
many
times
to
preserve
grand
trees
on
development
projects
with
a
reasonable
design
and
remedial
action.
These
trees
will
reverse
course
and
get
better.
Numerous
developers
have
done
this.
There
are
14
citations
in
the
comp
plan
that
prohibit
this
variance.
You
have
copies
of
them
in
green.
N
N
2.1
development
must
be
compatible
with
the
physical
conditions
of
the
land
in
epolicy
1.3.5
neighborhood
assets
such
as
trees,
identify
the
neighborhood
and
contribute
to
the
well-being
of
the
people
who
live
there,
and
they
must
be
enhanced.
Env
policy
1.27,
protect
and
enhance
the
tree.
Canopy
1.27.2
maintain
and
expand
the
urban
forests.
Env
policy,
1.27.5
and
ros
policy
1.3.3
promote
the
city's
tree
ordinance
and
support
tree
preservation
with
minimal
impact
to
the
existing
resources.
N
Env
policy
1.28
maximize
the
retention
and
enhancement
of
the
city's
mature,
shade
trees
for
the
environmental
value
and
for
the
contribution
to
quality
of
life.
1.2
8.1
maintain
and
increase
environmentally
beneficial
plant
life.
1.28.2
increased
tree
covering
in
areas
of
vehicular
use
where
the
urban
heat
island
effect
could
be
mitigated
by
trees.
Ros
policy
1.1.6
ensure
that
open
space
is
a
component
of
private
development
as
it
contributes
to
the
quality
of
life
for
residents
and
creates
space
for
the
planting
of
trees
that
can
grow
to
their
mature
size
and
increase
the
overall
tree.
N
Canopy
coverage
for
the
city.
1.3
mature
street
canopy
is
a
vital
community
and
environmental
asset
that
is
desired
by
residents.
The
protection
of
this
tree
canopy
is
a
necessity
to
sustain
the
resource
and
maintain
the
environmental
benefits
such
as
cooler
temperatures
that
the
mature
canopy
provides
1.3.2
retain
optimum
tree
cover
in
tampa
lu
policy.
9.3.9
ensure
high
quality
design
by
enhancing
natural
characteristics,
such
as
shade
trees,
to
strengthen
neighborhood
connections
and
reinforce
tampa's
unifying
unifying
design
features.
N
I
do
not
believe
these
alternate
plans
represent
a
good
faith
effort.
I
am
confident
they
can
design
a
project
with
more
than
10
units
and
if
they
can't
it's
their
own
fault
for
speculating
on
a
land
deal,
they
chose
to
gamble
with
their
money.
Nobody
made
them
buy
this.
If
you
need
to
carry
a
gallon
of
water,
you
don't
buy
a
quart
container
and
I
don't
buy
double-aid
bras.
C
All
right,
if
you
put
your
right
hand
up
and
be
sworn
in.
B
H
N
Right,
my
name
is
dana
gordon.
I
live
at
3019
north
adams
street.
In
ballast
point
I
did
want
to
also
mention
that
I
am
the
president
of
the
ballast
point,
neighborhood
association,
and,
to
that
end
I
did
want
to
bring
up
some
relevant
excerpts
from
the
ballast
point
comprehensive
plan.
The
plan
itself
is
11
pages
and
in
the
consideration
of
time
I
just
wanted
to
call
out
a
few
relevant
excerpts.
N
N
N
A
significant
canopy
of
trees,
section
3
is
in
regard
to
land
use,
specifically
effective
government
support
and
cooperation,
the
goal
of
which
is
effective,
predictable
and
fair
enforcement
of
ordinances
and
rules
in
the
consideration
of
permitting
zoning
land
use,
variances
and
other
neighborhood
issues
that
arise
from
time
to
time.
This
is
a
summary
of
what
I'm
asking
you
today.
N
We
are
under
a
significant
amount
of
property
damage
quoted
for
repair
at
over
thirty
thousand
dollars,
and
counting
pcg
should
not
be
allowed
to
continue
any
additional
construction
in
tampa
or
anywhere
else
until
they
fix
current
situations,
pay
for
damage
and
stay
in
compliance
with
the
city,
tampa,
building
rules,
regulations
and
permits.
End
quote:
to
my
knowledge,
these
ongoing
issues
have
not
been
addressed
or
corrected.
I
ask
today
that
you
uphold
the
city
ordinances
that
protect
the
grand
oaks
at
the
kojak's
property.
Thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you.
C
M
M
I
think
it
I
I'm
familiar
with
what
she's
referring
to,
but
I
think
we
need
some
probably
some
clarification
for
the
record
of
the
legal
status
of
the
what
she's,
referring
to
as
the
ballast
point
comprehensive
plan
that
might
be
before
your
time
to
this
particular.
These
two
particular
attorneys,
I'm
not
sure,
but
if,
if
miss
kate
wells
or
somebody
else
is
listening
in
and
they
could
help
that
that'd
be
fun.
M
H
M
Okay,
there
there
is
a
legal
status,
I
believe
to
the
ballast
point,
what's
referred
to
as
a
ballast
point
comprehensive
plan,
because
they
went
through
a
process
with
the
city
council
and
with
the
with
the
planning
commission
many
years
ago
to
somehow
include
this
parts
of
these
documents
within
the
city's
comprehensive
plant.
But
we
don't
you
don't
have
to
do
it
right
this
second,
but
circle
back
to
us
before
we
wrap
this
up
and
maybe
take
to
talk
to
miss
grimes
or
miss
wells
about
about
it.
M
H
M
I
M
J
Just
I
was
just
tuning
in
to
listen
to
the
discussion
and
that's
it
is
in
the
adopted
comprehensive
plan.
There
is
some
language
regarding
ballast
points
specifically
for
core
goals
for
traditional
neighborhood
plans.
Again,
as
mr
vino
said,
this
is
I
mean
this
is
actually
a
request
for
true
removal.
J
C
Yes,
sir,
anyone
else
on
the
second
floor
speak
on
the
side.
Yes
right,
you
just
face
your
right
hand
be
sworn
in
ma'am.
I
have
been
sworn
in
all
right.
Thank
you.
T
Hi,
my
name
is
pamela
jackson,
haney,
and
I
have
lived
in
south
tampa
for
27
years.
I'm
here
to
ask
you
to
save
the
grand
trees
on
this
very
unique
and
beautiful
property.
The
developer
acquired
this
property
knowing
full
well
that
it
held
majestic
grand
trees
that
are
protected
by
law,
and
yet
the
developer,
citing
hardship,
seeks
to
destroy
them.
The
seemingly
insignificant
procedure
of
getting
rid
of
a
couple
more
grand
trees
in
the
name
of
progress
is
no
longer
insignificant
and
needs
to
stop.
T
This
developer
can
develop
an
alternate
plan
that
would
save
the
trees
as
shown
now
more
than
ever,
we
need
to
save
these
grand
trees
to
benefit
our
environment
because
we
are
losing
them
at
a
rapid
pace.
Surprisingly,
these
grand
trees
now
only
make
up
less
than
one
percent
of
our
city's
tree
canopy.
It
is
scientifically
proven
that
large
old
trees
provide
the
most
benefit
to
our
environment.
They
store
and
sequester
significant
amounts
of
carbon
researchers
use
leaf
area
measurements
to
estimate
the
benefits
provided
by
individual
trees
in
an
urban
forest.
T
The
developer
hired
two
arborists.
One
of
the
reports
is
quite
biased,
with
the
arborist
giving
opinions
on
the
planning
aspects
of
the
site,
as
opposed
to
how
to
preserve
the
trees,
with
statements
like
due
to
impending
construction
and
no
reasonable
reconfiguration
or
reasonable
design,
and
also
stating
that
no
mitigation
would
be
required.
T
This
report
should
be
completely
discounted.
The
developer's
second
arborist,
it
should
be
noted,
calls
these
grand
trees
moderate
risk
as
opposed
to
high
risk,
which
means
they
can
be
salvaged
with
proper
care.
This
is
good
news.
This
would
require
a
revised
plan
by
the
developer
that
provides
needed
space
and
remedial
action
or
aeration
to
assist
with
the
compacted
roots.
This
type
of
remediation
has
been
done
many
times
before,
with
grant
trees
on
development
projects
with
great
success.
T
T
They
have
agreed,
as
far
as
I
know,
to
keep
one
of
the
trees
in
the
back
southeast
corner,
but
I'm
curious
about
what
code
enforcement
is
in
place
to
make
sure
that
that
becomes
a
reality,
and
this
one
tree
would
be
saved
because
a
lot
of
the
other
trees
that
are
on
the
property
are
on
the
sidewalks
and
I
don't
and
those
were
he
said-
are
going
to
be
saved
and
I
don't
really
feel
that
those
should
be
counted
by
the
way
there
is
a
development
further
down
gandhi
called
las
campos
place
and
that
they
did
this
development
with
several
townhomes
that
did
keep
their
trees.
T
So
I
wanted
to
point
that
out.
So
in
closing,
I
just
want
to
say
there
are
no
hardships
here.
There's
a
lot
closing
behind
me
this
week
for
a
million
dollars
to
put
one
home
on
one
and
the
kojoc
kojak
slot
sold
for
2
million
for
a
proposed
21
homes,
21
homes
for
2
million.
T
He
says
it's
going
to
be
a
hardship
to
put
9
10
or
even
13..
I
find
that
really
hard
to
believe
the
law
clearly
states
that
a
practical
difficulty
shall
not
justify
a
variance,
and
I
feel
that's
why
the
vrb
said.
No,
that's
why
the
city
arborists
are
saying.
No,
I
hope
you
say
no
as
well,
and
I'm
also
asking
that
you
call
for
a
reasonable
redesign
which
can
be
done.
T
This
developer
will
still
make
a
hefty
profit
and
the
community
will
be
better
off
for
their
efforts,
maybe
make
them
bigger
homes
in
a
lovely
tree
covered
setting
with
appropriate
green
space.
As
our
code
demands,
we
all
know
they
will
sell
for
a
lot
of
money
and
could
be
a
shining
example
to
all
developers
on
how
to
build
thoughtfully
instead
of
carelessly.
Thank
you.
C
All
right
anybody
all
right.
Anyone
on
the
register.
B
B
S
Good
afternoon,
gentlemen,
this
first
tree
and
the
first
tree
inspection
for
this
lot,
according
to
a
cella,
was
in
february.
Pre-Permits
were
requested
in
april
before
they
closed
on
the
property,
no
surprises
when
they
closed
at
the
end
of
april,
and
they
need
permission
to
remove
the
trees.
S
That
sounds
really
easy,
but
they
went
to
city
staff
and
they
said
no
city
staff
is
just
like
mom.
You
know
what
if
mom
says,
no
we'll
go
to
dad.
Well,
they
went
to
the
vrb.
The
brb
was
dad.
Dad
said
no,
oh,
my
goodness,
so
we
got
two
no's
well
here
we
are
we're
talking
to
grandpa.
I
hope
charlie
will
listen.
S
Important
considerations
for
the
tampa
city
council
on
this
one
hardship,
there's
no
hardship.
The
trees
didn't
just
appear
at
closing.
This
is
self
sent
a
self
created
problem.
They
could
design
around
the
trees
and
they
refused
to
do
so.
The
variants
cannot
interfere
with
the
health,
safety
and
welfare
of
others.
The
tree
study
shows
that
these
grand
oaks
prevent
flooding.
S
If
you
grant
this
variance,
you
will
increase,
increase,
flooding
and
storm
water
runoff.
The
variant
serves
as
a
general
intent
and
purpose
of
the
comp
plant.
We
have
submitted
that
the
variance
violates
the
14
sections
of
the
comp
plan,
allowing
this
variance
will
allow
the
substantial
a
substantial
injustice,
public
or
I'm
sorry,
look,
never
mind.
Okay,
just
an
additional
thought
for
you
guys.
S
I
went
into
a
cella
the
and
the
following
have
been
filed
by
this
developer,
a
design
exception
in
june.
The
answer
was
no
a
special
use
and
the
answer
was
no.
In
september
now,
there's
a
rezoning
filed
in
october,
oh
by
the
way,
there's
another
special
use
that
was
filed
in
november
and
wait
wait.
There
was
another
design
exception
for
the
same
thing,
and
now
the
design
exception
has
rescinded
its
original
inconsistent
and
now
it's
consistent
how
how'd
that
happen.
S
So
how
many
times
do
these
guys
get
to
throw
cake
at
the
wall
and
see
what
sticks?
This
is
exactly
why
your
schedule
is
and
stays
full.
They
don't
know
how
to
stop
whining
until
they
get
what
they
want.
No
matter
what
the
laws
say.
G
C
All
right
we'll
go
to
to
catherine.
G
G
I
love
tampa
and
I
would
like
to
respond
to
some
of
the
petitioners
points
presented
by
their
attorney.
First
of
all,
I
live
about
a
way
a
mile
away
from
the
property
I
drive
around
there
all
the
time
enjoying
the
shade
it
gives,
and
I
have
not
eaten
meat
in
30
years.
So
I
really
don't
think
the
community
is
up
in
arms
because
we're
upset
that
a
restaurant
closed.
That's
not
the
point
at
all
and
I
do
believe
it
was
a
correct
decision
to
deny
the
variants
and
it's
even
more
important.
G
G
There
are
a
lot
of
people
who
have
environmental
awareness
that
would
probably
love
to
buy
units,
although
overpriced
in
this
market
that
have
considered
the
environment.
So
really
that's
a
selling
point
and,
as
was
pointed
out
earlier,
two
homes
on
that
property
can
be
profitable,
certainly
10
pound
homes
could
be.
They
say
this
is
reasonable.
It
is
not
one
of
the
things
they
showed
to
support.
The
request
was
an
aerial
view
and
what
I
saw
in
that
aerial
view
is
one
big
pocket
of
green
canopy
and
nowhere
else
on
that
area
view.
G
I
don't
think
it's
a
good
argument
to
say:
oh
they
and
they
and
they
did
it
and
there's
no
canopy.
So
we
want
to
do
it
with
no
canopy
either.
It's
just
not
right
and
I
think
the
bottom
line
for
the
petitioner
is
they
want
to
make
more
money.
Why
is
more
money
worth
making
us
all
sicker?
We
need
those
trees,
give
the
trees
room
to
grow,
build
around
them,
follow
the
laws
and
don't
waste
the
times.
G
B
S
Yes,
good
afternoon
my
name's
lorraine,
ferrino,
I'm
a
third
generation
tampa
resident.
I
love
tampa
very
much
and
I
love
what
happened.
I'm
very
interested
in
what
happens
in
my
city
of
tampa.
S
First
of
all,
this
developer
has
been
refused
permission
to
destroy
these
two
grand
hundred
year
old,
healthy
grand
live
oaks
twice
all
written
the
city
of
tampa
arbor
is
denied
information
and
the
variance
review
board
also
denied
her
permission
last
year,
but
he
continues
to
persist
in
wanting
to
destroy
these
valuable
grand
oaks.
So
what
bothers
me
just
as
much
as
the
thought
of
removing
these
two
beautiful
100
year
old
grand
oak
trees
from
this
property,
is
that.
H
S
An
egregious
example
of
corporate
greed.
This
developer
isn't
just
satisfied
with
making
a
huge
profit
on
this
property.
He
wants
to
make
an
excessive
profit
in
order
to
satisfy
his
breed.
He
is
perfectly
willing
to
destroy
not
one
but
two
100
year
old
grand
oak,
so
he
can
cram
a
few
more
units
on
the
slot
and
increase
his
profit
margin
even
more,
even
though
there
isn't
enough
room
for
all
these
units
that
he
wants.
What
is
wrong
with
this
picture,
destroying
two
100
year
old
brand
live
oak.
S
So
it's
past
time,
the
city's
campus
city
council
puts
the
health,
the
health
and
well-being
of
campus
residents
in
tampa's
ecosystems,
ahead
of
the
profit
margin
of
builders
and
developers
who,
by
the
way,
are
getting
very
rich
at
our
expense.
Yes,
us
ordinary
tampa
residents,
as
they
purposely
deplete
tampa's
residents
of
their
ancient
great
grand
oaks
and
their
once
prized
tree
canopy.
It
takes
a
hundred
years
to
grow
to
grow
a
live
oak
tree
as
big
and
beautiful
as
the
two
on
the
kojak
property.
S
C
C
All
right,
that's
it
for
the
registered
all
right.
We
have
any
additional
comments
for
staff
before
I
go
to
rebuttal
a.
M
M
Okay,
there
was
testimony
there
was
testimony
from
one
of
the
folks
a
couple
minutes
ago
about
the
purchase
price.
I
we
don't
usually
bring
bring
up
that
those
issues.
However,
I
do
read
as
part
of
the
code
subsection
paren
for
e
speaks
to
cost,
quote
the
cost
of
utilizing
any
alternative
construction
methods
and
the
reduction
in
use
and
value
of
the
proposed
building
structures
necessary
to
save
the
tree
compared
to
the
tree.
M
M
Okay,
if
you
want
to
correct
me
later
that
that's
fine,
I
just
put
it
on
my
calculator
and
that's
what
I
came
out
to
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
you
didn't
have
any
differ
with
that.
O
Maniscalco's
assistant
with
some
documents
to
provide
to
the
clerk
for
the
record,
but
stephen
wants
to
obviously
wants
to
comment.
O
Can
you
hear
me
now?
Yes,
sir
okay,
so
if
I
could
start
over
again
scott
steady,
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
I
had
provided
councilman
maniscalco's
assistant
with
some
documents
and
she
was
going
to
put
him
in
the
record
with
the
clerk's
office.
So
thank
you.
F
Thank
you.
I
first
want
to
address
the
the
single
family
comparison
and
say:
that's,
that's
really.
Comparing
apples
and
oranges,
gambling
boulevard
is
a
main
commercial
corridor.
I
don't
even
think
a
single
family
is
allowable
use
on
that
property
and
there,
while
the
cost
per
unit
goes
way
down
the
cost
for
developing
multi-family
when
it
comes
to
infrastructure
and
other
requirements
is
a
lot
more
expensive.
So
it's
really
comparing
apples
and
oranges.
F
Yes,
we
had
a
denial,
but
we
went
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
fix
things
to
provide
more
green
space,
and
so
we
will
not
get
our
permit
or
our
approvals
if
we
don't
meet
other
all
those
requirements
and
I'll
have
to
become
in
front
of
you
again,
which
would
be
pretty
embarrassing
to
ask
for
another
variance-
and
I
don't
think
I
would
get
approved
so
I'm
testifying
that
we
will
meet
all
the
other
requirements
and
be
approved
for
a
permit.
F
I've
heard
the
opposition
and
they
are
mad
about
the
legal
removal
of
trees
they're
also,
along
with
the
removal
of
trees
based
on
the
state
law
superseding
the
city
code.
I
have
never
taken
down
a
grand
tree
with
the
state
law
loophole
and
do
my
best
to
design
around
trees
when
at
all
possible,
in
fact
I'll
be
in
front
of
city
council
on
february
10th,
for
a
rezoning
on
another
townhome
project
in
nebor
city,
where
we
work
with
staff
to
design
around
every
single
grand
tree.
The
reduction
to
density
for
that
redesign
was
reasonable.
F
It
was
not
38
to
47
percent
compared
to
the
other
neighboring
properties,
I'm
a
reasonable
local
developer.
Doing
this
the
right
way,
the
opposition
has
formed
an
opinion
about
me
without
knowing
the
facts
and
taking
into
account
or
understanding
the
law
based
on
their
frustration
with
other
developers
illegally
removing
their
trees.
F
I
am
not
them.
There
is
no
redevelop
reasonable
development
option
that
retains
these
trees,
and
I
ask
you
to
vote
based
on
the
code
and
our
property
rights
and
not
to
punish
me
for
others.
Wrongs
doing.
I
have
been
listening
to
to
to
what
everyone
has
to
say
and
I
go
on
to
next
door
and
facebook
and
read
it,
and
I
one
person
commented
and
I'd
like
to
read
what
they
said
without
saying
their
name
of
course.
F
Unfortunately,
this
battle
plays
out
online
as
the
unrealistic
tree
lovers
versus
evil
money
grabbing
builders.
The
reality
is
and
needs
to
be
in
the
middle.
Both
descriptions
are
exaggerated
and
inaccurate.
I
have
lived
in
south
tampa
since
1997
I've
seen
great
improvements.
Some
things
stay
the
same
and
some
things
go
downhill.
I
had
to
cut
down
a
very
big
oak
tree,
one
time
its
big
limb
started
falling.
It
was
proving
to
be
a
hazard
to
the
house
and
created
a
safety
risk.
It
was
not
an
easy
decision,
but
we
made
it
and
had
no
regrets.
F
We
planted
tons
of
tropical
foliage
and
that
eventually
grew
tall
and
became
beautiful.
That
being
said,
I
don't
think
many
trees
are
cut
down
haphazardly
with
little
care
for
how
it
affects
the
beauty
of
a
neighborhood.
I
do
believe
it
is
true.
The
beauty
of
a
neighborhood
is
sometimes
sacrificed
for
the
benefit
of
one
family
or
the
builders.
I
love
capitalism
and
property
rights
and
freedoms.
I
am
pro-profit,
I
do
think
being
in
harmony
with
one
neighbors
and
community
is
important
to
consider
too.
F
However,
I
think
and
hope
there
can
be
a
balance
found
here,
just
my
thoughts,
not
choosing
sides.
The
next
response
to
that
was
the
new
tampa
tree
code
tried
to
address
this
exactly
what
you're
saying
in
2019
that
tree
code
section
2728425f4
states,
the
variance
for
tree
removal
shall
be
approved
when
a
hardship
restricts
reasonable
redesign.
F
The
placement
of
these
trees
on
this
site
is
what
creates
that
hardship
for
us?
Not
one
person
in
opposition
argued
or
showed
examples
of
a
reasonable
redevelopment
option.
If
we
were
losing
a
couple
units
I
wouldn't
be
up
here.
That
would
be
ridiculous
frankly,
and
I'd
be
embarrassed,
but
losing
38
to
47
of
the
density
approved.
All
within
one
block
is
clearly
unreasonable.
H
Councilman,
if
you're
referring
to
4e,
I
think
you've
misinterpreted
the
intent
of
that
subsection
e
so
and
that's
kind
of
where
I
understand
that
your
question
was
coming
from.
Is
that
correct.
M
Well,
I
I
I
found
it
in
the
packet
that
was
handed
to
us
by
mr
shelby,
I
believe
in
terms
of
the
the
various
codes
etc,
and
that's
why
I
was
asking
the
question
is:
is
that
a
relevant
provision
that
we
should
use
to.
M
That's
right
that
we
should
use
to
evaluate
as
part
of
our
evaluation
of
what's
reasonable
and
then
any
other
guidance
you
can
tell
us
about.
You
know
the
reasonable
standard.
I
know
reasonable
is
a
legal
standard
and
usually
you
know,
usually
there's
not
a
lot
of
help
there
in
terms
of
the
the
ultimate
jurors
in
in
this
case
us,
but
but
any
help
you
can
provide
us.
We
greatly
appreciate
it.
H
Yes,
absolutely
so
in
regards
to
your
question
and
I'm
zeroing
in
on
4e,
specifically,
because
I
think
that's
what
you
were
referencing
before,
where
it
talks
about
the
cost
of
utilizing
any
alternative
construction
methods,
but
the
cost
of
buying
the
property
is
not
relevant
to
that
and
I
think
that's
kind
of
where
your
like
questioning
was
going.
I
just.
M
H
H
Well,
I
just
was
mentioning
that,
as
far
as
what
was
provided
to
you
with
the
application,
if
there
was
nothing
in
terms
of
the
cost
of
buying
the
property.
H
As
far
as
the
reasonable
reconfiguration
and
some
additional
information
there,
it's
note
5
and
I
believe
it's
on
page
hold
on.
H
G
Development
coordination,
if
I
may,
regarding
section
27,
284
and
note
e,
and
I
think
what
councilman
think
felder
is
trying
to
say,
is
that
it
does
come
into
play
this
criteria
in
the
decision
today,
because
it
does
talk
about
the
reduction
in
use
and
when
we
talk
about
the
density
that
is
being
proposed.
That
is
a
reduction
in
the
use
of
the
proposed
structure.
So
I
would
say
that
does
come
into
play
in
the
decision
before
the
council
today.
I
C
You
ma'am,
okay,
then
anything
else
from
legal
before
I
move
to
close.
C
M
M
He
clearly
indicated
that,
once
that
asphalt
had
been
removed
around
those
trees
and
and
perhaps
whatever
it
is
fertilizers
or
other
opportunities,
what
do
they
call
it
spading
air
spading,
or
what
have
you
that
those
trees
would
actually
do
better
and
thrive
and,
as
mr
miranda
asked
the
question,
perhaps
for
several
hundred
more
years,
so
between
all
that
I'll.
Second,
the
motion.
C
Was
made
by
mr
carlson
second
by
mr
ding
felder
rocco?
C
J
C
P
B
L
Sir,
I
need
to
leave
here
at
5,
35
or
so,
like
I
said,
I'm
gonna
for
for
city
council,
I'm
just
gonna
start
not
making
evening
plans
for
for
morning
meetings,
but
it
just
in
case
if
this
item
goes
further
than
that
time,
as
I
think
it
may.
May
I
make
some.
These
are
non-controversial
motions
just
really
fast,
because
they're
time
sensitive
would
that
be
okay,
sir.
L
Or
tell
you
what
tell
you
what,
if
it's,
if
it's
before
5
30,
would
it
be
okay,.
C
C
K
C
There,
I
guess
we
better
notify
cttv.
We've
got
a
problem.
C
J
E
C
I
guess
send
them
this
illegal
message.
D
And
congrats
on
your
transition
and
thanks
for
everything
you've
done,
you
know
not
just
the
last
two
years,
but
also
the
transition
committee
and
all
that
stuff,
I
guess
we'll
say
a
proper
goodbye.
C
Okay,
all
right:
okay,
we're
up
and
running
all
right
item
number
70.
Again
we
apologize
for
the
technical
difficulties.
We
apologize
that
we
had
to
move
this
item
to
the
back,
but
we
have
so
many
people
to
speak
and
we
want
to
make
sure
we
do
it
the
right
way
so
miss
post.
Are
you
our
item?
Number
seven
email.
R
R
R
It
was
approved
on
first
reading
late
last
year,
following
a
number
of
council
discussions,
a
couple
of
workshops.
The
council
actually
initiated
this
almost
two
years
ago
to
update
what
we
believe
is
a
tangle
of
rules
and
regulations
that
have
become
confusing
and
have
not
really
kept
pace
with
the
needs
of
our
evolving
city.
The
goal
that
the
council
set
forth
was
to
simplify
and
provide
consistency
and
predictability
for
all
businesses
and
residents.
So
we
recognize
it's
a
sensitive
issue.
R
There's
been
continued
debate
and
discussion
leading
up
to
today's
vote
and
for
that
reason
we
wanted
to
offer
a
few
additional
ideas
for
consideration
today.
In
a
moment,
susan
johnson
velez
will
give
a
brief
update
to
remind
ourselves
and
the
audience
what
the
four
components
of
the
ordinance
are.
Today
that's
up
for
consideration
and
then
captain
owen
presuming
we
still
have
him
available.
I
know
he's
on
a
time
constraint.
R
He
was
going
to
offer
some
perspectives
relative
to
the
enforcement
component,
particularly
particularly
the
five-minute
warning,
so
we
we
would
like
to
hear
public
comment.
We
would
like
to
hear
council's
input,
and
this
and
discussion
on
this
and
then
take
further
direction,
and
we
think
you
have
three
options
today.
R
First,
is
that
you
can
adopt
the
ordinance
as
it's
written
as
it
is,
sits
before
you
recall
that
this
ordinance
would
not
take
effect
for
another
six
months,
and
that
was
built
into
the
ordinance
to
ensure
that
we
would
have
sufficient
time
and
ability
to
engage
in
more
outreach
and
communication
to
make
sure
everybody
knows
what's
expected
and
and
what
the
new
rules
and
requirements
are.
But
given
the
the
feedback
that
we've
received
and
what
we've
heard,
we
would
like
you
to
consider
two
additional
options
for
your
for
your
path.
R
Moving
forward
today,
particularly
concerning
outdoor
amplified
sound,
that's
one
component
recall:
there
are
four
components
being
considered
to
change
today.
We
believe
that
three
of
them
are
sound
on
the
merits.
We
strongly
recommend
that
they
remain
intact
and
that
they
move
forward,
but
we
do
recognize
that
there
have
been
a
number
of
concerns
raised
around
the
outdoor
amplified,
sound
element,
and
for
that
reason
we
would
we
would
suggest
a
couple
of
considerations
as
we
proceed.
R
The
first
would
be
to
keep
a
city-wide
approach,
which
was
part
of
our
objective,
to
have
consistency
in
uniformity,
but
you
could
change
the
regulated
time.
You'll
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
it
from
susan,
but
that
time
is
at
your
discretion
to
reflect
on
what
that
regulate.
Regulated
time
would
be.
A
second
option
would
be
to
consider
exemptions
pertaining
to
certain
geographical
areas
of
the
city
based
on
the
nature
of
their
use
or
their
activity,
or
you
could
change
the
regulated
time
within
exempted
areas
now
becomes
more
complicated.
R
R
I
believe
we'd
have
to
come
back
through
first
hearing
first
reading
again,
but
we
we
are
looking
to
kind
of
take
a
fast
path
to
adoption,
but
again
to
reflect
the
changing
needs
and
the
inputs
that
we'll
hear
today
so
now,
I'd
just
like
to
turn
it
back
over
to
susan
johnson
velez,
let
her
refresh
on
kind
of
where
we
stand
and
then
we'll
be
happy
to
take
questions
or
move
forward
through
public
comment.
Thank
you.
E
Good
afternoon,
members
of
council,
susan
johnson,
velez
senior
assistant
city
attorney
and
thank
you
carol
just
to
reflect
refresh
council's
recollection
and
also
for
the
benefit
of
members
of
the
public
and
those
who
might
be
listening
to
the
hearing
just
to
give
a
brief
history.
E
So,
specifically,
recommendation
number
one
to
create
a
citywide
amplified
sound
standard
applicable
to
all
uses,
and
this
again
was
intended
to
apply
to
all
uses
in
the
city,
not
just
those
that
involved
alcoholic
beverage
uses
which
is
previously
how
this
had
been
handled
in
the
city.
So
section
six
of
the
ordinance
before
you
creates
a
new
section
14-164
that
prohibits
amplified
sound
from
the
outdoor
area
of
any
property.
E
At
this
time.
Recommendation
number
two
was
to
modify
existing
definitions
in
chapter
14.,
so
section
two
of
the
ordinance
amendment
before
you
adds
a
definition
of
amplified
sound
amplified
sound,
although
it
was
a
term
that
was
used
frequently
and
sometimes
elsewhere.
There
was
no
definition
anywhere
in
the
code
for
amplified
sound,
so
we've
added
that
definition.
E
We
also
created
in
subsection
b2,
a
second
tier
of
decibel
limits
between
the
hours
of
1
am
and
3
am
so.
Currently,
the
code
provides
for
a
maximum
decibel
level
of
85
dba
between
until
3
am,
and
so
this
would,
in
keeping
with
kind
of
the
idea
of
reducing
noise,
allow
for
kind
of
a
step
down.
So
at
1
am
you
have
to
go
from
85,
dba
down
to
75,
dba
and
then
finally,
at
3
am
down
to
65
dba.
E
So
the
only
the
only
change
there
is
just
adding
that
second
tier
and
it
just
again
allows
for
a
lowering
of
the
of
the
sound
a
little
bit
as
it
gets
a
little
bit
later
in
tonight.
Until
finally,
we
get
to
3
a.m,
where
you,
where
you
go
down
to
65,
which
is
what
it
currently
is
today
and
then.
E
Finally,
recommendation
number
four
was
to
update
enforcement
provisions,
so
that's
contained
in
section
five
of
the
ordinance
before
you
that
modifies
section
14-159
of
the
code
to
remove
the
five-minute
warning
and
adds
new
sections,
14
155,
14
156
and
a
new
section
14-164,
which
again
is
that
outdoor
amplified
sound
prohibition
after
a
certain
time
frame.
E
E
If
it
is
your
desire
to
make
changes
to
what
was
approved
on
first
reading,
we
would
have
to
make
those
changes
and
present
them
to
you
and
and
take
it
back
to
first
readings
to
to
allow
for
appropriate
notice.
Excuse
me
of
those
changes,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
have
at
this
time.
C
I
think
that
council
was
hearing
from
the
public
as
relate
some
of
the
residential
areas
that
now
that
have
entertainment
and
we
we
started
the
urban
core
village.
We
people
wanted
a
walkable
neighborhood
with
food
and
entertainment
dancing,
but
now,
with
our
housing
situation,
we
have
an
influx
of
housing
in
these
districts.
Now
so
now
people
are
complaining
about
music,
but
sometimes
when
you
you
move
places,
you
got
to
know
what
you're
moving
in
that's
now
now
it's
becoming
problem
to
change.
C
C
E
Certainly,
mr
chair
I'd
be
happy
to
do
that,
so
the
city
technically
in
the
code
does
not
have
anything.
That's
defined
as
a
quote:
unquote,
entertainment
district.
These
are
a
couple
of
different
districts
that
have
been
identified.
It
used
to
include
the
central
business
district.
It
currently
includes
the
channel
district
which
again
this
amendment
proposes
to
remove,
but
the
ybor
city,
historic
district,
the
channel
district
and
the
arena
district
are
areas
where
entertainment
venues
there's
a
higher
concentration
than
than
you
see
in
other
areas
of
the
city,
but
they're
not
identified
as
entertainment
districts.
E
So
I
do
have
the
code
in
in
section.
14-153
does
identify
the
arena
district
and
I'm
happy
to
put
it
up.
If
I
can
get
so,
you
can
see
that
it
encompasses
the
let's.
I
E
The
emily
arena,
as
well
as
other
areas
or
other
streets
around
that,
so
it's
not
just
the
hockey
arena,
it's
a
larger
portion
there
that
you
can
see
that
that
comes
off
of
beneficial
drive
and
then
the
garrison
channel
to
the
south
and
my
eyesight's,
not
that
great.
But
it's
it's
a
it's
a
larger
area.
So
that's
the
arena
district.
I
do
want
to
put
up
a
map
of
the
ybor
city,
historic
district.
Just
so
council
is
aware,
if
you're.
E
There
sparkman
wharf,
I
do
believe
is,
I
think,
sparkman
wharf
is
off
to
the
east,
it's
in
in
the
channel
district,
but
this
is
a
lot
of
the
the
new
water
street
development
is
within
the
arena
district
area,
okay,
a
good
portion
of
it.
So
I'm
going
to
put
up
another
map
that
shows
the
ibor
historic
district.
So
the
eboard
historic
district
is
identified
differently
in
section
14-153.
E
What
it
describes
as
the
eboard
historic
district
is
as
delineated
in
chapter
27.,
so
it
is
not
just
the
strip
on
7th
avenue
and
some
of
the
surrounding
streets
you
can
see
in
this
map.
The
red
outlined
area
is
the
indication
of
the
entire
historic
district.
So
you
have
an
area
that
goes
on
the
on
the
west
side
as
far
west
as
nebraska
as
far
east
as
26th
street,
as
far
north
as
21st
avenue,
and
then
on
the
south
side
down
to
state
road
60..
C
M
Thank
you
just
on
that
quick
point
and
then
I'll
speak
to
other
issues.
Later
my
gut
tells
me
we're
going
to
modify
this.
We
apologize.
M
And
legal
for
you
know
for
this,
but
we
but
anyway,
but
but
in
regard
to
tightening
up
ibor.
If
we,
if
we
wanted
to,
we
could
redefine
purposes
of
chapter
14.
M
M
Because
what
I'm
looking
at
is
a
lot
more
than
that
and
includes
a
lot
more
residential
right,
correct,
but
I
I
would
think
we
would
all
agree
that
the
traditional
entertainment
area
really
could
be
probably
confined
within
those
two
boundaries.
E
J
E
To
the
removal
of
the
five-minute
warning-
and
so
I
know
he
had
some
time
constraints
as
well,
so
I
wanted
to
maybe
invite
if,
if
it's
councilman's
plan.
Q
C
Q
Okay,
some
reason
we've
lost
it
anyway.
The
five-minute
warning
really
isn't
doing
us
any
good.
As
far
as
the
enforcement
goes.
If
we're
trying
to
correct
the
noise,
then
we
need
to
be
able
to
address
the
noise
when
we're
there.
Now
some
of
these
establishments
they're
going
to
have
their
management
there
and
they're
going
to
understand
they're,
going
to
take
corrective
measures
immediately
and
there's
no
need
to
go
any
further.
The
ultimate
goal
for
us
would
be
to
gain
compliance
not
to
issue
citations.
Q
Q
So
I
don't
think
that
you
know
the
data
doesn't
show
that
we're
over
enforcing
it.
It
shows
that
we're
grossly
under
enforcing
it
in
my
opinion,
but
that's
something
that
you
all
can
take
into
consideration.
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
other
questions
you
may
have.
Q
So
the
solution
would
be
for
maybe
some
of
these
establishments
that
have
issues
to
take
some
of
this
measure
on
their
own.
They
can
buy
a
noise
meter
just
like
we
can.
They
can
check
their
own
sound
levels.
They
can
particularly
for
some
of
these
areas
that
aren't
going
to
be
under
a
decibel
reading.
They
can
go
out
and
find
their
property
line
to
figure
out.
Q
Well,
the
same
way
we've
been
doing
it,
we
go
to
these
calls
and
we
address
them
accordingly.
If
there's
a
problem
child
that
comes
up,
then
we
have
to
start
issuing
citations,
but
outside
of
that
by
and
large,
these
calls
for
service
resolve
themselves.
We
go
up,
we
let
them
know
that
the
noise
is
too
loud
and
they
turn
it
down
or
turn
it
off.
Q
P
You
recognized,
thank
you,
kevin
owen.
Thank
you
very
much
staff.
Thank
you
very
much
for
all
your
hard
work
on
this.
I
have
to
go
back
and
and
discuss
the
reasons
why
I
went
to
staff
about
this
city.
Council
had
heard
time
in
and
time
out
again
that
establishment,
whether
it
be
a
restaurant
or
a
bar,
wanted
to
open
a
budding,
a
neighborhood
or
residential
area,
and
the
first
words
out
of
some
of
the
council's
men's
mouth
would
be.
Are
you
going
to
have
amplified
music.
P
P
Abby
philly
came
up
with
this
wonderful
solution
to
this
plan
to
have
a
city
wide
ordinance.
I
agree
with
it,
but
now
we're
starting
to
hear
from
certain
areas
in
town.
I
don't
want
to
call
them
entertainment
districts,
but
that's
what
they
are
both
sides-
people
saying:
no,
we
don't
want
it.
Please
move
this
ordinance
to
business
people
saying
you're
going
to
kill
our
business.
P
P
They
have
football
games,
monster
truck
that
was
done
at
12
o'clock
me.
Personally,
I
would
like
to
see
this
ordinance
voted
on
and
passed
today,
with
the
exception
of
us
looking
at
different
carves
out.
I
know
that's
not
what
the
intent
was,
but
I
can
also
feel
the
stress
that
businesses
in
ebor
might
be
under
businesses
and
channel
side.
I
think
this
whole
thing
came
about
because
of
one
establishment,
maybe
in
general
side,
maybe
not
I'm
not
going
to
say
for
sure.
P
P
C
A
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman,
so
and
looking
at
different
areas
of
the
city
and
I'm
going
to
focus
on
ybor
city.
A
It's
not
only
the
the
amplified
music
that
comes
from
the
the
bars
and
the
clubs,
but
what's
interesting
with
ebore
being
that
it's
on
seventh
avenue,
for
example,
where
you
have
the
way
the
sound
travels
and
bounces
off
the
walls.
A
lot
of
that
noise
is
from
that
traffic
from
the
cars
driving
up
and
down
the
street,
whether
they're
blaring,
their
music
or
it's
engine,
sounds
whatever
I've
sat
outside
cigar,
lounges
and
whatnot,
and
the
noise
is
from
the
street.
I
don't
hear
so
much
the
music
or
the
bass
from
clubs.
A
I
hear
the
traffic
on
7th
avenue
and
not
even
mentioning
that
20
years
ago
they
would
close
off
7th
avenue
and
be
like,
like
a
street
party,
we're
beyond
that,
but
just
the
cars
sitting
there
cruising
up
and
down
that
creates
so
much
of
of
the
noise.
It's
not
always.
You
know
the
bars
and
the
clubs
and
whatnot.
So
we
have
to
take
that
into
account.
A
Also
when
we
look
at
if
we
are
to
look
at
carving
out
certain
areas
or
exempting
certain
areas
look
at
the
boundaries
of
ebore.
From
what
I
saw
on
the
map,
there's
the
historic
district
and
then
within
that
which,
in
that
historic
district,
you
have
a
lot
of
residential,
it's
a
big
area,
but
in
the
blue
lines
I
believe
that's
the
national
historic
landmark
area
which
encompasses
that
seventh
avenue
corridor
where
a
majority
of
those
businesses
are.
Could
we
using
those
boundaries
exempt
that
area.
A
So
we
still
maintain
that
respect
to
the
homes,
because
if
you
look
at
north
of
I-4,
it's
a
lot
of
residential
single-family
homes
and
whatnot.
So
we
can
keep
that
within
the
the
area
that
we
enforce,
but
we
exempt
that
smaller
entertainment
area,
which
is
that
seventh
avenue
corridor
which
would
be
within
those
blue
lines.
A
So
if
we
could
look
at
that,
we
can
also
discuss
you
know
channel
district
arena
district,
whatever
that
that
will
be
a
separate
discussion,
but
at
least
with
ebor
it's
unique
in
the
situation
with
everything
I
said
just
the
way:
the
sound
bounces
off
those
walls
and
in
that
area
it's
like
its
own
channel,
it's
its
own
corridor
there,
where
it's
a
unique
situation.
I
think
on
the
on
the
sound.
Thank
you.
Let's
girls
recognize.
M
Just
quickly
now,
I'm
not
going
to
speak
to
all
these
issues,
I'll
wait
until
after
public
comment,
but
I
did
want
to
say
one
thing
because
I'm
sure
there's
a
lot
of
channel
side
folks
who
are
wanting
to
chime
in
on
this,
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge
whether
or
not
we
do
it
today
or
in
a
couple
of
weeks.
I
believe
this
council
is
ready
to
move
forward
with
the
channel
side
change.
M
Okay,
the
channel
side
residents
have
been
very
strong.
I
haven't
heard
any
any
pushback
on
that
channel
side
provision
to
change
it
from
decibel
reading
to
regular.
You
know
regular
reading,
whatever
that
is
whatever
the
basic
standard
is,
so
I
just
want
to
urge
genocide
folks,
unless
there's
a
council
member
who
thinks
differently.
But
you
know.
C
M
I
guess
yeah,
I
don't,
I
don't
know
much
about
it,
but
and
it's
your
district,
but
my
point
is:
is
staff
has
made
a
recommendation
on
the
channel
district
change,
which
is
changing
14
153,
a
in
terms
of
how
the
measurement
is
read
there,
specifically
as
related
to
channel
district,
and
I
haven't
heard
any
of
council
members
say
they're.
They
have
a
problem
with
that.
So
I
just
want
to
urge
channel
district
folks.
D
I
Well,
mr
albrecht,
the
question
that
I
ask
myself:
if
you
start
carving,
it
out
is
you're
going
to
hold
mustard.
If
it's
appealed,
noise
in
one
district
to
the
ears
is
the
same
noise
in
another
district
to
the
ears
and
unless
your
ears
are
stuffed
up
like
mine
once
in
a
while,
it's
it's
hard
to
carve
out
something.
I
So
I'm
just
thinking
to
myself.
How
do
we
solve
this
problem?
Can
we
cherry
pick
it
and
get
sooner
or
later,
someone
more
likely
in
the
business
community
is
going
to
appeal.
This,
that's
fine!
I
agree
with
that,
but
it's
it's
harder
to
prove
on
my
real
job.
I
I
I
C
I
C
C
So
those
might
be
things
we
may
have
to
look
at
too
of
making
sure
a
bar
or
a
place
that
has
amplified
music
like
that
or
a
club
is
not
near
residents
or
these.
These
apartment
buildings
that
infringe
with
the
loud
lord,
the
boom
boom
and
the
walls,
and
it
may
be
a
certain
street
in
each
district
and
say
that's
where
that
can
be.
P
Q
C
D
Just
a
quick
comment
based
on
what
you
just
said,
mr
chair,
you
all
remember
in
the
cra
meetings,
I
made
a
proposal
that
we
ask
the
drew
park
folks
if
the
cac,
if
if
they
would
be
open
to
having
an
entertainment
district
there,
we
need
an
entertainment
district
somewhere
in
the
city.
D
South
howard,
for
example,
certainly
should
not
be
an
entertainment
district.
It's
only
been
like
that
for
for
10
years.
There
are
a
couple
bars
that
existed
before
that,
but
it's
only
been
like
that
and
there
were
neighborhoods
all
around
that
before
and
that's
one
of
the
areas
I
get
the
most
concern
eboor.
What,
whether
whatever
we
do,
it's
not
going
to
be
an
entertainment
district
in
10
years
it
was
has
been
for
a
while.
D
There
always
will
be
entertainment
there,
but
it's
not
going
to
be
the
place
where
everybody
goes
like
they
did
in
the
90s,
because
it
because
it
so
many
houses
are
coming
in
there
same
thing
happening
with
channel
district.
We've
got
to
find
a
place
somewhere
in
the
city
where
a
real
entertainment
district
can
go,
and
I
don't
know.
C
K
I
K
C
Gentlemen,
mr
newman,
come
up
a
little
bit
closer.
We
can
hear
you
on
the
mic,
sir.
Certainly
thank
you
better.
Yes,
sir.
L
All
right,
I'm
gonna,
say
good
evening,
because
I've
been
here
since
morning,
just
like
you
all
have
for
the
record,
I'm
craig
newman,
I'm
here
as
a
president
of
the
victoria
park,
homeowners
association
in
the
soho
area,
our
gated
community
is
between
armenia,
avenue,
howard
avenue,
north
of
swan
and
de
leon.
I
L
Units
and
I've
lived
there
over
the
past
for
the
past
16
years
and
there's
been
positive.
Changes
on
howard
avenue
south
of
swan.
Unfortunately,
the
same
is
not
true
of
north
of
swan
and
unfortunately,
we
deal
with
the
same
issues
we've
been
dealing
with
since
I've
been
there
for
16
years
is
noise.
The
noise
is
unrelenting.
L
I
know
personally,
I
have
to
sleep
with
earphones,
so
I
don't
hear
the
whether
there's
the
cars
with
the
boom
boxes
and
the
amplifying
shaking
my
windows
because
of
the
base
or
it's
we've
got
issues
going
on
with
on
saturdays
excuse
me:
we've
got
issues
with
our
community
that
we
have
people
there
who
do
not
want
to
get
on
their
rooftop
terraces
and
sit
out
in
the
in
the
nice
evenings,
because
the
noise
is
so
loud
and
I
don't
think
I
think
in
our
area,
because
there
is
so
right
behind.
L
On
the
east
side
of
swan,
I
mean
on
howard
avenue,
you
have
houses
that
have
been
there,
that
some
of
them
were
built
back
in
the
20s
and
it's
they're
so
close
to
these
bars
and
with
all
the
loud
music.
It
makes
it
very
difficult.
So
I
think
the
idea
of
being
stopping
the
music
at
after
11
o'clock.
You
know
during
the
weekday
and
12
o'clock
on
weekends,
is
important.
L
A
A
We
should
take
and
use
the
technology
if
we
can
find
something
that
would
work.
We
should
create
a
time
when
outside
music
should
end-
and
I
believe
in
in
these
in
these
areas
like
soho,
it
should
be
at
11
o'clock
during
the
week
and
midnight,
and
also
we
should
establish
consequences,
a
dollar
fee
or.
A
We
should
have
an
officer
with
who
are
in
in
the
manners
of
the
of
the
restaurants,
where
the
violations
are
happening,
photographs
so
that
we
can
take
and
see
who
the
people
that
are
doing.
And
if
it's
it's
a
repetitive
thing,
then
those
people
should
be
fined
and
given
a
citation
change.
The
operation
of
business
locations
in
the
high
density
areas
like
urban
exam
urban
from
from.
J
The
businesses
and
the
hours
and
the
decibels
and
the
amount
of
music
in
my
establishment
or
other.
J
We're
having
problems
entertaining
people
after
midnight
and
they
can't
dance
and
they
can't
come
to
ebor
city.
O
J
J
Q
Q
The
owners
and
the
operators
who
have
paid
so
dearly
for
it
it
does
a
disservice
to
eboor
and
the
entire
city
of
tampa.
I
urge
you
to
consider
the
current
exemption
for
ebor
and
the
nature
in
which
it
was
created
and
extend
that
exemption
to
include
amplified
music
enforcement
is
an
issue.
The
analogy
that
keeps
coming
back
to
me
is
that
if
you
have
a
speed
limit
of
55.
F
Q
Hi,
my
name
is
bobby
creighton.
First,
I
would
like
to
thank
the
members
of
the
city
council
who
attended
the
american
dream
fest.
Thank
you
for
listening,
I'm
speaking
as
a
resident
of
tampa
against
the
proposed
amendments
to.
D
D
Q
D
Q
Q
D
Q
Q
With
some
of
the
best
entertainment
options
and
cultural
amenities
the
city
has
to
offer,
but
by
everywhere
7th
avenue
is
frequented
not
only
for
its
storied
history,
but
also
its
legendary
nightlife.
Ibor
city
is
as
much
a
physical
place,
as
is
a
character
in
the
cultural
lore
of
tampa.
Ybor
city
has
been
the
raucous
rebellious,
wild
beating
heart
of
tampa's,
music,
art
and
entertainment
scene
for
decades.
Q
Ebor
and
all
of
its
loudness
is
part
of
wakes
as
part
of
what
makes
tampa
the
city
that
it
is,
and
I
believe,
adopting
this
amendment
would
be
tantamount
to
defacing
our
city's
identity
and
really
that
identity
is
what
these
businesses
rely
on.
These
businesses
aren't
just
selling
beer,
they're
selling
people
the
opportunity
to
access
an
experience
that
can
only
be
had
in
tampa
in
ibor
city,
giving
the
conditions
that
it
maintains.
Now
the
business
owners
will
speak
about
maintaining
their
ability
to
operate,
and
your
consideration
of
adopting
this
amendment.
Q
J
My
name
is
mara
and
I
have
was
born
in
ebor
city.
I've
been
a
lifelong
resident
of
the
city
of
tampa
and
I'm
against
this
ordinance.
This
noise
ordinance
and
I
believe
it's
going
to
hurt
the
businesses,
especially
in
ebor.
I
I
was
born
there.
I
love
ybor
city
and
ybor
city
is
a
tourist
attraction,
so
many
people
come
to
tampa
just
to
come
to
ebor.
J
J
I
know
for
a
fact
they
have
that
when
ebor
was
nothing
when
everybody
moved
away
and
ebor
was
empty,
these
businesses
came
in
and
brought
life
back
to
ybor
city
and
to
tampa
and
they've
been
a
great
source
of
revenue
for
us
and
in
fact,
the
other
day
I
was
in
my
house.
I
live
east
of
armenia
avenue
and
I
could
I
could
hear
the
rolling
stones
from
the
tampa
stadium.
It
didn't
bother
me
what
I'm
saying
is:
you're
gonna
have
noise
and
people
need
to
be
aware
where
they
they're
buying.
J
S
Hi
good
evening
my
name
is
belle
amoroso,
my
husband
and
I
own
a
business
for
20
years
now
in
ybor
city,
we
own
las
vegas
tattoo
company,
and
we
moved
here
from
las
vegas.
He
was
the
first
licensed
in
in
las
vegas
in
clark
county
and
helped
to
write
the
health
laws
governing
the
county
in
clark
county
to
this
day.
S
Regarding
that
industry,
I
would
like
to
say
we
were
on
las
vegas
boulevard,
which
is
a
very
lively
street,
and
we
chose
ebor
city
to
move
our
business
to
because
it
was
the
entertainment
capital
in
our
minds
of
tampa,
and
that
is
the
reason
why
we
chose
it
and
just
like
in
las
vegas,
where
they're
building
all
different
condos
and
high-rises
and
all
kinds
of
things
along
las
vegas
boulevard.
You
don't
see
the
culture
of
the
city
and
the
entertainment,
they're
changing
and
getting
quieter.
S
People
are
quite
aware
of
where
they're
moving
to
when
they're
coming
into
ebor
city
and
the
tourism
anymore,
like
that
of
las
vegas
people
enjoy
going
out
and
having
a
nice
time
and
going
to
dinner
and
dancing
and
all
of
the
different
things
that
we
have
in
ebor
and
taking
that
away
and
turning
it
into
a
little
quiet.
Little
neighborhood,
that's
going
to
shut
its
their
sidewalks
and
roll
them
up
at
midnight.
Just
seems
like
a
very
bizarre
thing.
People
are
enjoy
it.
S
We
have
all
of
our
wildlife
too
out
there.
So
it's
you
know,
we've
seen
this
happen
before
with
the
noises
over
the
years
and
for
myself
and
my
family.
We
love
it
and
the
taurus
love
coming
and
if
you
start
altering
that,
just
like
in
other
cities
like
shreveport
louisiana,
where
the
sidewalks
rolled
up,
which
I'm
quite
aware
of
you're,
going
to
end
up
with
something
that
is
quite
quite
pathetic.
Actually
thank.
C
L
L
Very
good,
thank
you.
You
know
I
I
have
to
say
I'm
very
proud
and
it's
been
my
privilege
to
be
here.
I
believe
this
is
the
fifth
decade
that
I've
been
able
to
talk
to
the
tampa
city
council
about
first
amendment
issues,
and
I
want
to
stress
that
that's
exactly
what
this
is
for
my
clients,
some
business
operators
in
ybor
city.
I
want
to
quote
some
language
from
a
case
that
I
think
will
set
the
pace
for
what
I'm
going
to
present
to
you
and
it's
a
case
that
was
the
2020.
L
It
was
excuse
me
2000,
daily
versus
the
city
of
sarasota.
I
presented
a
series
of
documents
to
the
city
clerk
and
to
the
city
attorney
I'd
like
you
to
receive
and
file
those,
but
I
have
a
number
of
cases
where,
as
you
could
well
guess,
noise
ordinances
were
challenged
and
were
found
to
be
unconstitutional
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
L
I
just
want
to
stress
that
I
understand
the
balance
that
needs
to
be
reached
and
I'm
not
here
to
criticize
anybody,
but
I
think
there's
a
better
way
to
approach
this
and
I'd
like
you
to
embrace
this
legal
background
as
the
framework
of
what
we
should
accomplish
here
today.
It
says
music,
which
is
what
my
clients
present,
is
a
form
of
expression
and
communication
and
it's
protected
under
the
first
amendment.
L
This
protection
expense,
amplified
music
and
essentially
it's
within
the
limits
of
the
constitution
to
protect,
amplified
music
and
there's
a
number
of
united
states
supreme
court
cases
that
support
that.
Here's.
What
I'd
like
to
stress
the
government
can
constitutionally
restrict
such
expression
even
in
a
public
place
if
the
limitations
on
the
time,
place
and
manner
are
reasonable,
and
the
reason
that
I
bring
that
up
is
that.
I
think
the
desire
to
adopt
a
city-wide
regulation
is
a
mistake.
L
I
think
that
the
city
of
tampa
is
so
different
in
its
communities
and
its
neighborhoods
and
obviously
in
those
areas
of
the
city
that
have
historically
been
for
better
or
worse
entertainment,
districts,
reflecting
great
great
contribution
and
investment
in
various
properties.
There
needs
to
be
an
effort
made
so
that
these
regulations
can
assist
everyone.
I
I
just
don't
think
that
the
one-size-fits-all
or
the
city-wide
approach
is
going
to
help
anyone
in
this
process,
and
obviously
I
would
agree
that
the
whole
context
here-
and
I
think
the
case
law
says
it.
L
L
It's
it's
easier
to
pick
an
ordinance
apart
than
it
is
to
adopt
one,
but
this
ordinance
has
been
progressively
changed
year
after
year
and
the
assignment
they
got
really
was
to
try
to
repair
an
ordinance
that,
I
think,
has
some
grave
unconstitutional
aspects
in
it.
You
know
when
you
look
at
the
different
aspects
of
the
ordinance
as
it
was.
L
The
problem
is,
is
that
the
regulations
that
deal
with
quote
all
the
other
areas
of
the
city
share
the
same
unconstitutional
characteristics
of
the
katano
case,
which
I
provided
to
my
colleagues
and
I
put
into
the
file
today,
and
you
want
to
avoid
that.
The
the
removal
of
the
warning,
the
audible
noise,
all
of
those
very
subjective
terms,
are
simply
not
helpful
in
trying
to
solve
this
problem.
In
fact,
it
creates
more
problems.
L
So
what
I'd
like
to
suggest
is
as
much
as
everybody
wants
to
do
this
now
and
they
want
to
get
something
started
and,
regardless
of
the
six
month
period
before
the
ordinance
goes
into
effect,
I
would
respectfully
suggest
that
we
set
up
a
workshop
and
that
we
actually
look
at
the
zoning
map
so
that
we
can
do
this
in
a
much
more
surgical
and
constitutional
fashion.
It
quite
honestly,
I
think
the
issues
with
this
ordinance
can
be
fixed.
L
You
can
come
up
with
something
that
will
meet
that
balance
and
be
constitutional
at
the
same
time,
but
today's
not
it
we're
just
not
there.
Yet.
I
think
that
some
of
the
issues,
if
you
take
the
time
to
take
a
look
and
I'd,
be
happy
to
provide
additional
copies
to
any
council
member.
But
you
need
to
read
these
cases.
L
You
need
to
understand
why
other
ordinances
have
been
unsuccessful
and
why,
if
you
do
this
the
right
way
and
you
make
it
more
surgical,
more
area,
more
time
placed
and
manner
specific
you'll
be
in
a
much
stronger
position.
Now,
I'm
not
going
to
argue
about
any
of
the
issues
that
have
been
described
before
it
doesn't
make
any
sense
for
someone
to
get
their
own
decibel
meter
the
difference
between
taking
a
reading
from
the
complaining
location,
the
people
that
receive
the
sound
and
then
in
igbor
city.
L
You
have
to
take
a
measurement
at
the
property
line,
which
is
usually
the
front
door.
There's
some
distinct
differences
there
and
I
think,
as
as
one
of
the
council
members
has
said,
that
when
you're
measuring
the
sound
from
that
perspective,
you
get
so
much
ambient
noise
that
it's
impossible
to
try
to
distinguish.
L
Well
my
ten
seconds
I'll,
simply
say:
let's
all
get
together
and
fix
this
before
something's
adopted
that
will
bring
on
nothing
but
headaches
and
litigation.
It
can
be
done
right,
I'm
more
than
willing
to
participate
in
that
effort,
and
I
appreciate
the
privilege
of
addressing
you,
as
I
said,
for
my
fifth
decade.
Thank
you
very
much.
N
Berlarly,
so
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
a
change
to
this
noise
ordinance
concerns
me
an
employee
of
a
world
famous
tattoo
business
that
has
proudly
occupied
a
spot
on
7th
avenue
for
almost
20
years.
This
won't
just
affect
businesses
that
generate
revenue.
By
being
a
place,
people
can
gather
to
enjoy
music
and
spend
time
with
family
and
friends,
but
will
have
a
chain
effect
on
those
of
us
that
reap
the
benefits
of
those
people
discovering
our
businesses
at
night.
They
choose
to
patron
us
and
they
come
back
year
after
year.
N
There
seems
to
be
no
way
that
people
could
reasonably
be
under
the
suggested
decibels.
If
a
busy
restaurant
averages
that
decibel
already
suggested,
we
gather
so
much
revenue
through
the
year
from
people
who
visit
ibor
for
the
entertainment
district,
that
it
is
one
that's
many.
Wonderful
businesses
barely
survived
through
coveted
closures.
N
We
are
often
compared
to
a
floridian
version
of
mardi
gras.
I'm
concerned
that
if
we
lose
our
music
venues,
this
will
cause
people,
natives
and
out-of-towners
to
lose
interest
in
our
beautiful
ebar
city.
We
don't
need
excessively
loud
music,
but
the
proposed
decibels
is
preposterous
at
best.
Also,
these
houses
in
ebar
are
old.
You
could
hear
somebody
sneeze
across
the
street.
I
know
because
I've
lived
in
several
of
these
houses
over
the
years.
N
O
Hi
richard
boom
here
I
have
the
the
dirty
shame
on.
N
O
J
G
I
do
have
you
know
their
their
signatures
from.
O
B
N
R
Orleans
handle
it
and
I
think
a
lawyer
should
probably
look
at
the
legal
details,
not
just
web
results.
However,
I
live
in
east
tampa,
I'm
in
a
very
residential
neighborhood,
and
I
chose
it
for
a
reason
because
it's
close
to
the
city,
but
far
enough
away
from
you
know
the
entertainment
district.
So
it's
pretty
quiet.
It
feels
more
like
country.
R
R
The
the
this
particular
residence
is
having
very
loud
music
pounding
music
with
a
subwoofer,
so
I
think,
having
a
legal
description
just
specifying
a
decibel
level
is
not
going
to
cover
it.
R
R
R
C
C
J
You
rick
coogler,
I
live
in
east
tampa
and
my
concern
is
that
this
ordinance,
although
it
sounds
very
good,
I'm
concerned
that
it
could
become
obsolete
very
quickly
because
I
didn't
see
any
language
in
it
that
addressed
the
issue
of
high
power
subwoofers.
J
They
don't
show
up
on
decibel
meters
and
as
far
as
I
know,
but
they
will
keep
you
up
at
night.
There's
they're
actually
felt
more
than
heard
and
there's
two
nights
of
the
week
that
we
cannot
sleep
in
our
house
house.
The
vibration
comes
right
through
the
concrete.
J
The
actual
music
is
okay,
it's
it's
not
as
a
high
level
decibel
wise,
but
the
pounding
of
the
subwoofers
is
really
making
our
house
unusable
for
two
nights
of
the
week
people.
I
think
people
do
have
a
right
to
expression
until
it
eliminates
another
person's
right
to
sleep
and
to
use
their
house
for
their
own
purposes
and
to
have
good
health.
J
People
do
have
a
right
to
wear
headphones,
so
they
can
enjoy
their
sound
at
their
own
volume,
but
they
don't
have
a
right
to
force
feed
it
to
their
sleeping
neighbors
after
quiet
hours,
whatever
those
are
determined
to
be.
There
are
headphones,
so
you
can
enjoy
your
own
volume
at
your
own
at
your
own
speed
and
you
can
leave
the
sleeping
people
sleep
and
the
animals
can
get
back
to
their
lives
again.
J
Excess
noise
is
a
health
issue.
Excess
noise
is
also
a
life
and
death
issue.
That's
that
was
shown
last
week
at
boca
raton
there
was
a
gun
discharged.
There
was
a
person
shot
over
an
issue
of
too
much
noise.
I
don't
know
the
details,
but
I
do
know
that
keeping
the
peace
is
more
than
just
waiting
for
people
to
get
shot
for
sure.
Keeping
the
peace
in
the
city
is
a
lot
more
than
than
simply
protecting
from
from
murder.
J
Good
evening
2903
west
bay
shore
court
in
support
of
the
ordinance
I'm
one
of
many
neighbors
of
the
stovall
house
that
were
subjected
to
an
unreasonably
loud
live
ban
party
outdoors
for
three
hours
on
november
20th.
We
could
not
get
police
relief
despite
14
calls
to
police.
During
the
course
of
the
party
the
background
in
september,
2018
stovall
was
granted
a
special
use
permit.
It
allows
outdoor
amplified
sound
at
four
temporary
special
events
per
year.
The
permit
conditions
state
at
all
times
the
property
shall
comply
with
the
city
of
tampa
noise
regulations.
J
J
J
C
J
L
J
Even
council,
mr
chairman,
appreciate
y'all's
time
and
patience
so
I'll
get
right
to
it.
We
open
air
preachers.
G
So
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
to
your
attention.
It's
not
our.
L
Or
their
health,
neither
is
it
unreasonably
excessive.
J
Noise
in
ebola,
we're
not
causing
that,
so
I
would
like
that
you
know
we
be
treated
separately
from
the
noise
ordinance
if
we
could
have
our
own
ordinance
or
something
like
that,
because
we're
not.
J
Complaints
that
we
all
received
last
year,
so
we
just
kind
of
want
to
be
protected
in
that
sense
and
also
get
a
little
more
support
from
you
guys,
because
we
appreciate
y'all,
that's
it.
J
Victor
demaio
1205
north
franklin
street
suite
103.,
I'm
I
I'm
here
representing
a
lot
of
clients
in
ibor
and
a
few
on
south
howard.
I
was
wanted
to
actually
back
up
what
my
fellow
jesuit
classmates
said:
luke
leroux,
that
I
really
believe
that
my
my
best
wish
is
that
we
take
this
ordinance,
put
a
pause
on
it,
have
a
workshop
with
the
with
the
stakeholders,
those
in
ebore
and
and
maybe
some
other
areas.
J
I
think
ebor
is
unique
because
for
over
a
hundred
years
it's
been
a
kind
of
the
heart
and
soul
of
tampa
and
it
has
developed
into
an
entertainment
district,
and
if
you
want
to
be
a
progressive,
dynamic
city
and
attract
young
people
and
who
who
like
to
enjoy
themselves
when
they
go
out,
I
I
think
the
soreness
is
very
restrictive.
J
I
think
it
has
a
lot
of
problems
with
it.
I
think
it
can
be
fixed.
I
think
it
could
be
tweaked.
I
think
it
can
be
amended
and
I
think
the
best
thing
for
everyone
to
do
today
would
be
to
take
a
breath.
Sit
back
and
you
know,
there's
no
harm
and
you
have
an
ordinance
now
where
the
tpd
captain
owen
said
that
they
had
7
000
calls
and
only
17
tickets.
J
That
means
when,
if
you
have
a
racket
going
on
and
the
cops
show
up-
and
they
say
pipe
it
down
99
of
the
time,
but
by
those
statistics,
the
current
ordinance
has
worked
to
some
degree.
I
think
it
would
be
a
good
idea
to
have
ebor
as
an
entertainment,
district
and
figure
out
how
that
would
work,
and
I
think
that
would
be
best
because
you
know
we're
not
talking
about
horses
here,
we're
talking
about
different
areas
of
the
city
that
are
not
all
identically
the
same.
So
thank
you
for
your
time.
C
N
Tangor
nightclub
show
bar
dueling
piano
bar
and
mamarosa's
pizza.
J
Say
is
what
is
the
one
thing
that
best
represents?
What
tampa
is,
what
is
the
one
symbol
of
tampa?
It's
the
canon,
the
glorious
cannons
firing
about
how
loud
and
proud
tampa
is
over
the
decades.
Ibor
has
consistently
been
an
entertainment
district
defined
by
law
or
not.
It
is
ibor
fights
so
hard
to
hold
on
to
its
history.
Please
do
not
gut
what
it
is
today.
What
it's
been
for?
A
century
residential
and
entertainment
districts
can
coexist
together.
J
J
H
Hi,
my
name
is
jennifer
small,
I'm
a
resident
of
courier
city,
oscar
wanna.
I
am
here
speaking
on
behalf
of
phillips
town
home
association.
We
are
located
on
the
corner
of
westland
and
horatio
street.
As
I
said
in
courier
city,
oscar
wanna.
H
H
It's
a
nuisance
to
our
neighborhood
and
quality
of
life,
no
matter
what
hour
of
the
day,
it
is
because
it
is
so
loud,
especially
the
base,
as
we
hear
we
hear
it
like
a
crashing
boom
inside
of
our
homes,
our
neighbors
myself
and
my
neighbors
in
within
our
town
home
group.
We
have
all
gone
to
the
expense
of
installing
soundproof
windows
to
make
our
quality
of
life
better.
H
However,
when
you
are
talking
about
amplified
music,
that
is
a
concert
quality
with
such
strong
base.
There
is
nothing
that
is
going
to
keep
that
from
penetrating
inside
windows
and
concrete
building.
We
are
asking
that
thank.
H
Thank
you
one
more
thing.
We
are
asking
that
you
that
you
move
forward
with
the
ordinance
and
that
you
enforce
the
ongoing
disturbance
that
is
in
our
neighborhood.
H
D
L
Yeah,
I
I'm
not.
We
don't
have
time
for
motions.
What
I'm
going
to
do
is,
as
I
have
them
written
down
I'll
hand
them
to
mr
maniscalco.
If
I
may,
mr
shelby
is
that
permissible.
L
Thank
you.
We
appreciate
you
and
if
I
may
also
for
item
number
96,
I
also
have
a
motion
for
that.
Just
I
spoke
to
wonderful
simone
who's
done
so
much
who
did
great
work.
L
K
And
mr,
mr
vieira,
I'm
sorry
I'm
sorry,
mr
vieira,
I'm
just
going
to
also
ask
that
mr
maniscalco,
when
he's
done
with
that,
give
that
to
the
clerk.
So
it's
received.
C
All
right,
I'm
sorry,
ma'am
state,
your
name.
You
begin
speaking,
hi.
N
N
Other
cities
contain
mixed-use
neighborhoods
facing
similar
struggles,
and
something
that
has
been
has
made
sense
for
them
is
the
adoption
of
special
permits
for
operators
of
outdoor
music
venues,
for
example,
orlando
issues
permits
for
outdoor
music
venues
that
are
good
for
12
months,
but
can
be
revoked
upon
certain
number
of
complaints.
I
believe
councilman
citro
mentioned
this
in
his
remarks.
N
While
living
on
fifth
avenue,
I
do
experience
late
night
night,
noise
issues
from
some
operators.
I
know
of
many
other
establishments
who
have
regular
outdoor
shows
and
are
respectful
of
their
neighbors.
I
asked
you
to
consider
allowing
permitted
amplified
sound
after
midnight
in
ibor
within
a
set
of
guidelines.
Historic
ebor
is
a
village
that
contains
every
type
of
use
and
we
should
maintain
a
balance
between
businesses
and
the
residents,
while
maintaining
the
liveliness
that
we
all
love
anymore.
Thank
you.
S
H
H
So
I
called
district
one
asking
why
there's
only
four
warnings-
and
they
said
it's
probably
because
that
they
only
gave
up
verbal
warnings
and
didn't
put
it
in
street
check
form,
meaning
that
they
didn't
document
the
warning.
So
I
went
through
the
whole
list
of
dates
and
times
there's
many
instances
on
here
where
multiple
calls
fall
within
48
hours
of
each
other
and
should
have
resulted
in
a
citation
if
the
officers
did
their
warning
properly,
so
you've
got
officers
who
verbally
warn
but
do
not
physically
document
it,
which
is
great.
H
H
H
So
I
applaud
the
city
and
making
these
changes
it
would
help
the
officers
become
better
suited
to
handle
these
noise
complaint
calls
and
it
would
just
simplify
the
process.
You
eliminate
the
warnings
officers
that
enforce
fines
that
are
given
and
offenses
become
less
frequent,
and
then
you
have
harmonious
living.
H
So
that
leads
me
to
this
per
this
letter
sent
to
council
by
mr
mickelini
that
the
soho
business
alliance
was
never
inten,
invited
to
discuss
this
matter
with
city
staff
and
that
they
request
a
specific
workshop
with
business
stakeholders
and
that
they
want
a
study
required
in
advance
regarding
changes.
H
C
Q
Q
Most
of
my
neighbors,
who
have
issues
with
this,
have
given
up
reporting
complaints
because
nothing
has
been
done
in
the
three
years
that
they've
been
open
since
people
love
to
ask
the
question
I
moved
in
16
years
before
they
did
so
since
that
time
enforcement
has
been
zero.
I
think
captain
owen
echoed
that
challenge
the
the
question
that
I
would
ask
you
is:
how
would
you
monitor
a
rooftop
bar
who's
who's
going
to
go
up
there
if
you're
not
installing
some
sort
of
remote
monitoring
for
compliance?
Q
Q
I
first
started
living
in
eboard
20
years
ago
and
I
moved
there
to
live
in
a
village
where
history,
culture,
music,
food
and
yes,
nightlife.
Could
all
mix
together
and
in
that
time
I've
seen
great
shows
at
crowbar
orpheum
cuban
club
ritz,
and
I
will
continue
to
support
local
music
venues,
but
we
have
to
find
a
balance
where
all
uses
get
along.
We
currently
have
some
bad
operators
or
people
who
don't
see
the
priority
of
being
kind
to
their
neighbors,
but
that's
where
we
are.
Q
One
person
mentioned
that
convention
traffic
will
go
to
orlando
or
new
orleans,
and
the
irony
is
is
that
these
two
cities
already
have
very
similar
ordinances
in
order
not
to
punish
good
operators.
I
would
support
what
other
cities
like
new
orleans,
austin
and
orlando
have
done,
and
it's
to
have
noise
by
permit,
which
I
believe
is
something
that
councilman
citroe
mentioned,
which
can
be
revoked
if
we
have
issues
going
forward.
So
thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank.
J
Leon
and
good
evening,
everybody,
I
know
you've
heard
from
a
lot
of
people,
and
I've
been
thinking
about
this,
since
I
found
out
about
it
on
tuesday
night,
so
just
to
be
concise,
I'm
gonna
be
as
practical
as
possible.
I
just
want
to
put
some
solutions.
I
think
the
general
point,
after
listening
to
everyone
speak,
is
that
it's
a
very
complex
issue.
I
think
it
affects
a
lot
of
people
are
affected
in
different
ways.
There's
a
lot
of
different,
very
valid
perspectives.
J
I
myself
grew
up
in
carewood
village,
with
a
colombian
father
who
made
an
extreme
amount
of
noise.
Often
we
ended
up
befriending
the
entire
neighborhood,
but
it
was
a
process
that
took
a
while,
I
feel
like.
If
back
then
I
would
have
known
about
tucker
hall,
I
probably
would
have
hired
tucker
hall
to
handle
the
the
strategy
between
ourselves
and
the
rest
of
geralwood
village
when
the
lioness
had
a
party
in
the
fiesta
room.
J
So
I
think
that
this
is
kind
of
you
know
the
situation
is
you
have
a
group
of
people
that
are
having
a
great
time,
much
like
when
you're
little
and
you're
playing
with
your
friends-
and
you
know,
you're
going
to
get
in
trouble
if
you
go
too
far,
so
someone
has
to
be
on
the
lookout
and
when
that
person
is
approaching,
you
kind
of
like
make
sure
everything
is
cool,
and
then
you
bridge
that
situation
you
decide
when
to
like.
You
know,
shut
things
down.
J
So
that
being
said
as
a
as
a
kind
of
metaphor,
for
I
think
where
we're
at.
I
think
that
there's
three
things
to
consider
that
I
think,
would
be
practical
approaches.
J
J
J
I
do
think
that
there's
a
desire
to
take
action
today
or
to
do
something
today,
at
least
to
have
like
these
most
problematic
areas
like
channel
side.
But
I
think
that's
that
a
nuanced
approach
is
best.
S
C
Q
Yes,
council,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
okay,
my
name
is
robert
yeah.
I
live
at
1218
north
franklin
street
right
next
to
molly
at
whale.
I
think
most
of
you
are
familiar
with
mole
iowa.
Q
The
problems
we've
had
you
shut
them
down
in
december
2020
for
30
days,
they
came
back,
got
a
new
license
with
conditions
and
restrictions
that
would
have
them
operate
as
a
restaurant,
but
they
continue
to
operate
as
a
nightclub.
The
skies
of
the
restaurant,
with
loud
outdoor
music
on
the
rooftop
bar
and
also
which,
with
that
loud,
the
loud
venue
that
they
had
attracted
large
crowds
cars
trolling
up
and
down
the
street
crowds
that
hung
out
parking
lots
on
our
property
for
hours
after
the
venue
closed
they
urinated
defecated
on
property.
Q
You
all
heard
all
of
this
many
times
before.
What
I'm
really
concerned
about
is
down
here
on
franklin
street.
There's,
restaurants,
that
are
excuse
me,
restaurants,
that
are
really
night.
Clubs
in
disguise.
Moliere
whale
is
a
good
example.
We
go
to
arbitration
on
18
january
because
you
overturn
the
license.
The
city
gave
them
and
they
still
want
to
have
that
outdoor
music.
We,
if
can
I.
P
Q
B
Q
P
Q
It's
in
the
middle
there,
it's
molly
a
whaler
they're
60
feet
from
the
franklin
city,
lofts
of
which
I'm
a
resident
76
feet
from
the
arlington
condominiums
and
31
feet
from
the
residents
of
franklin
street.
This
is
over
100
people
that
affect
it
anytime,
there's
music
of
any
kind
outdoors
from
this
from
this
business,
whether
it's
amplified
or
not.
Q
But
in
the
1200
block
of
franklin
street
you
have
three
businesses:
bellow
restaurant,
which
I
classify
as
a
nightclub
in
disguise,
lit
cigar,
martini
bar
in
downtown
eaton
nightclub.
These
businesses
draw
tremendous
crowds
over
the
weekends
that
crowd
the
streets,
litter
the
streets
they
park
on
the
sidewalks,
there's
music
emanating
from
bellow
afternoons,
saturday,
sunday
and
at
the
night
that
we
can
hear
three
blocks
away
in
my
blog.
So
I
and
these
businesses
are
in
close
proximity.
Q
Bella
was
in
the
915
apartment,
building
element
apartments
are
close
by
and
also
the
mario
spring
hill
suites
are
under
construction
right
now,
so
I
would
like
something
that
would
get
these
night.
These
nightclubs,
that
are
that
are
really
that
these
restaurants
are
the
nightclubs
in
the
sky.
C
C
S
C
S
Another
long
day
with
my
favorite
city
councilman.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
remind
everybody.
This
is
talking
about
outside,
not
inside
you
can
do
whatever
you
want
inside,
but
I
I
also
want
to
remind
you,
gentlemen,
that
this
is
the
18th
time
this
has
been
before
sydney
council.
S
None
of
these
people
have
shown
up
before
why
I
don't
know,
but
you
need
to
remember
all
of
those
people
who
came
before
you,
the
previous
17
times
that
had
an
issue
because
they
were
downtown
at
nine
o'clock
this
morning
they
weren't
able
to
stay
all
day
long.
They
had
to
go
to
work
these
folks,
it's
money
in
their
pocket.
If
they
don't
go
to
work
these
folks,
who
are
here
it's
money
in
their
pocket,
if
they
don't
show
up
so
there's
a
difference.
S
S
The
first
time
second
reading
came
before
you,
somebody
showed
up
and
said
I
didn't
know
anything
about
this
and
even
councilman
good
said.
Sir,
do
you
know
how
long
we've
been
working
on
this
and
he
said
I
sure
do,
but
he
had
been
at
city
council
12
of
those
17
times.
I
looked,
but
here's
much
even
more
interesting
to
me.
Let
me
finish
my
thought
and
then
you
can
go
on
with.
S
Hi,
my
name
is
amy
patterson
and
my
husband
and
I
have
lived
in
the
towers
channel
side
for
nine
years.
The
council
has
spent
hours
and
hours
for
several
months
on
this
issue.
We
thank
you
for
your
hard
work
for
this
and
all
these
other
city
duties
wow.
What
a
day,
I
can't
imagine
that
I
know
you're,
probably
exhausted.
S
We
aren't
asking
that
music
not
be
played
or
to
roll
up
the
sidewalks.
We
welcome
music
and
entertainment.
Quite
frankly,
that's
why
we
live
here.
What
we
are
asking
is
that
sound
is
at
a
reasonable
and
respectable
level
when
it's
amplified.
S
You
have
done
a
fantastic
job,
outlining
solutions
to
this
issue.
Please
follow
it
through
and
sign
this
ordinance
as
written.
The
ordinance
is
right,
fair
and
just
for
the
majority
of
both
business
and
residential
growth,
and
someone
said
earlier,
st
pete
and
orlando
have
some
of
the
similar
outlines.
So
taking
conventions
out
to
those
areas
is
ludicrous.
S
We
have
music,
shake
our
windows
and
we're
in
the
farthest
tower
away
from
meridian.
Why
do
businesses
need
sound
so
loud
that
we
can
hear
it
in
our
living
room?
On
the
17th
floor,
why
do
people
need
loud
speakers
on
their
bicycles
or
outside
their
cars
that
we
can
hear
over?
Our
tv,
entertainment
doesn't
have
to
be
obnoxious,
obnoxious
and
disrespectful
late
night.
Obnoxious,
noise
just
encourages
all
kinds
of
issues
for
these
neighborhoods.
S
S
We
need
to
rely
on
the
council
to
help
this
situation.
We
also
have
a
right
to
enjoy
our
residence
and
it's
not
crazy
it
when
it
gets
crazy
out
of
control.
That's
when
it
involves
all
those
around
them
and
has
this
effect.
You
need
to
pass
this
ordinance
because
it
represents
the
majority.
A
pleasant
neighborhood
will
lead
to
positive
business
potential.
Thank.
G
J
J
Where
I
represent
the
six
states,
small
businesses
all
around
the
country
have
struggled
greatly
over
the
last
two
years.
Crowbar
was
completely
shut
down
for
seven
months,
and
the
tour
industry
hasn't
even
come
back
to
normal
until
october
2021.,
I'm
about
60
of
my
usual
business
revenue.
Bands
get
sick
and
tours
get
postponed.
J
I
just
rescheduled
20
concerts
that
would
have
taken
place
in
january
and
february
for
the
spring
and
the
fall
and,
like
other
hospitality
establishments,
our
employees
get
sick
and
are
hard
to
come
by
and
we
as
owner
and
operators,
get
sick,
so
we're
barely
holding
on,
and
I
know
the
strictest
ordinance
that
I've
ever
seen
in
20
years
that
I've
worked
in
war
city
is
not
the
answer
to
most
of
our
small
businesses,
which
have
already
sacrificed
and
struggled
so
much
while.
J
Years,
we
cannot
survive
any
more,
crushing
weight
being
placed
directly
on
our
shoulders.
So
I
would
ask
that
you,
please
not
press
this
ordinance
as
it
is.
I
think
we
need
a
workshop
that
involves
our
longtime
small
business
owners
in
the
district
that
have
always
served
our
city.
J
I
also
would
like
to
see
an
economic
impact
study
of
what
this
norwegians
would
do
and
I
believe
in
the
interim,
we
need
to
focus
on
venues
that
are
egregious
and
nuisance
venues
and
how
to
stop
the
blaring
car
and
motorcycle
noise
from
the
streets,
as
well
as
the
parking
lot
lot
parties.
Lastly,
I'd
like
council
to
consider
the
hypocrisy
of
punishing
all
small
businesses,
while
on
the
calendar
we
have
parades
coming
up
and
there's
still
talk
of
a
baseball
stadium
coming
to
our
district.
B
J
D
Q
Good
afternoon
guess,
good
evening
by
this
point,
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
you
today.
My
name
is
michael
womack,
and
a
lot
of
you
know
me
as
the
president
of
the
hillsborough
county
young
democrats.
Q
I
also
recently
moved
out
of
ebore
after
four
years
of
being
right
off
of
7th
avenue
behind
the
dirty
shame,
I
hope
to
one
day
return
to
the
area,
because
I'm
so
passionate
about
eversity
and
the
nightlife
there,
I'm
against
the
proposed
noise
ordinance
because
of
the
excessive
burden
it
places
on
local
businesses
that
make
ybor
city
great.
The
proposed
decibel
standard
is
simply
excessive.
Q
Q
C
That
it
okay
well
all
right,
we'll
we'll
go
around
robin
we've
heard
from
the
public
and
let's
see
we
we're
going
to
come
up
with
right
now
I
got
I
have
some
concerns
about
the
ordinance
I'm
just
going.
To
be
frank,
gentlemen,
I
do
but
I'll
listen
to
everybody
else
and
we'll
see
what
our
conclusion
will
be,
but
I
do
have
a
few
concerns
miss
pascal
you're
up
next
we'll.
A
Go
we're
on
the
floor.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
you
know
I
made
my
comments
early
on
regarding
ybor
city
and
I
think
it's
a
unique
situation
and
how
we
are
able.
I
think
we
are
able
to
cut
it
out
not
by
the
historic
boundaries
but
by
the
national
historic
boundaries
which
is
more
focused
on
that
7th
avenue
and
on
that
corridor,
where
you
have
the
bulk
of
the
businesses
that
would
be
affected
by
this.
A
A
You
know
what
what
the
litigation
is
going
to
be
from
this?
Will
it
hold
up
in
court,
as
is
even
if
we
cut
out
parts?
I
you.
B
A
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
how
you
know
if
it
goes
to
a
lawsuit
or
whatever
what
happens
to
it.
So
I'm
just
not
I'm
not
going
to
support
it,
as
is
because
I
have
a
lot
of
questions.
Thank
you.
Miss.
D
Yeah-
and
I
won't
say
everything
I
was
going
to
say,
but
we've
been
as
several
speakers
that
said:
we've
been
talking
about
this
for
a
long
time.
Miss
post
also
said
that
it
it
doesn't
go
into
effect
immediately.
It
has
time
before
it
goes
into
effect,
just
like
with
any
other
ordinance.
We
have
the
chance
to
modify
it
whenever
we
want.
D
I'm
definitely
going
to
vote
for
this
today.
If
it,
if
it
doesn't
pass,
then
we've
got
to
make
sure
that
we
provide
some
kind
of
solution
for
residents
and
it's
not
about
people
moving
into
areas
that
were
party
districts
and
and
they
knew
that
the
sound
was
there.
The
the
we've
heard
a
lot
from
ivor
tonight,
but
with
the
people
that
left
were
the
people
live
in
all
the
other
neighborhoods
and
we've
gotten.
D
I
don't
know
100
or
more
emails
from
folks
and
calls
and
we've
all
attended,
neighborhood
association
meetings,
they're
very
upset
and
it
affects
their
quality
of
life.
It
affects
their
ability
to
work
their
productivity,
and
you
know,
if
you
took
ebor
out
of
this
90
of
speakers,
would
would
not
have
that
spoke.
Just
now.
Wouldn't
have
a
say
in
it,
so
we
should
not
decide
what
to
do
based
on
one
section
of
town.
I
think
if
we
pass
this,
we
can.
D
We
can
figure
this
out
later,
but
in
particular
in
south
tampa
you
heard
from
south
howard.
This
is
the
issue
that
got
me
involved
in
neighborhood
activism,
15
or
so
years
ago.
You
know
20,
30
years
ago
there
were
a
couple
bars
on
on
howard
avenue.
I
remember
john
agree
sitting
on
the
side
of
the
road
looking
watching
traffic.
D
Thinking
of
dreaming
of
a
of
a
culinary
district
on
howard
and
part
of
it
is
a
culinary
district,
but
part
of
it
isn't,
and
we
also
heard
tonight
that
that
the
the
good
actors
don't
want
to
be
punished,
and
even
the
good
actors
identify
they're
bad
actors
in
different
parts
of
the
town.
We've
got
to
figure
out
how
to
how
to
address
the
bad
actors
in
all
of
this,
and
a
big
part
of
that
is.
Enforcement
enforcement
is
an
issue
on
all
kinds
of
issues
throughout
the
city
we
have.
We
have
things
like
leaf.
D
Blower
guidelines,
we're
not
supposed
to
shove,
leaves
into
the
storm
drain,
and
I
get
complaints
about
that
all
the
time
too,
because
there's
nobody
in
force
it.
We
get
issues
about
parking
on
this.
We
we've
got
to
figure
out
how
to
give
police
or
code
enforcement
whomever
the
tools
they
need
to
be
able
to
put
this
through.
Certainly,
there
will
need
to
be
exceptions,
performing
arts,
centers
and
and
and
maybe
certain
other
areas.
D
If,
if
somebody
in
the
future,
if
this
passed
and
somebody
in
the
future
decided
to
exclude
ebore,
I
think
it
needs
to
be
very
narrowly
defined.
7Th
avenue,
8th
avenue
it
should
just
be
very
narrowly
defined
because
ibor
is
is,
is
changing,
but
also
it's
never
gone.
The
loudness
has
never
gone
beyond
a
few
blocks.
D
The
other
thing
is
that,
and
some
several
speakers
said
this-
this
is
not
shutting
down
indoor
sound,
we're
not
saying
that
bars
in
ebork
can't
be
open
or
anywhere
else
can
be
open.
Past
12.
we're
only
saying
that
if
a
if
a
bar
has
several
floors
and
the
top
floor
is
a
rooftop
one,
you
can't
blast
music
on
the
rooftop.
It's
not
about
blasting
music
inside
you
can
still
do
that.
D
D
Miss
post
mentioned
1am
versus
12
at
midnight.
I
I'm
curious
to
see
what
the
what
the
opinion
is
on
that
if
it
doesn't
pass
tonight,
it's
anyway
in
particular,
I
want
to
make
sure
it
doesn't
affect
the
port.
The
port's
been
here
since
the
beginning
of
tampa
and
people
are
moving
into
just
like
they
move
next
to
airport
they're
moving
next
to
the
port.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
protected
so
anyway.
D
I
hope
that
we
can
find
a
way
to
pass
this
and
we
need
to
protect
our
the
business
small
businesses
that
are
here.
We
need
to
create
at
least
one
or
more
in
real
entertainment
districts
in
the
city
and
and
we
need
to
protect
our
residents.
Thank
you.
P
P
P
I
remember
seeing
one
act
plays
down
there
where
water
was
dripping
from
the
pipes,
but
we
still
put
on
plays
there.
Some
of
the
greatest
concerts
I
ever
saw
were
in
ybor
city.
To
this
day.
The
greatest
concert
I
ever
saw
was
public
image
limited
in
imore
city
and
then
all
of
a
sudden,
this
re-emergence
great
little
stores
like
lafrance,
three
birds
bookstore.
P
Now
I
was
a
part
of
ycdc
and
I'm
I
know.
Ms
van
loan
is
rolling
her
eyes
back
in
her
head,
the
ebor
city
c-r-a-c-a-c,
and
it
was
the
number
one
mission
of
that
organization
to
help
bring
ebor
city
back
to
a
neighborhood,
and
you
and
I
were
tree
lighting
in
igbor
city
and
I
looked
around
at
some
of
the
people
who
walked
their
families
there,
and
I
said
this
is
becoming
a
neighborhood
again.
P
P
G
P
When
I
went
to
the
staff
about
this
ordinance
was
those
businesses
were
opening
up
where
their
backyard,
where
their
courtyard
that
had
amplified
music
was
a
budding
neighborhood
and
the
same
question
was
asked
over
and
over
again,
are
you
going
to
have
amplified
music?
Are
you
going
to
have
that
music
again,
I'm
back
to
square
one.
I
want
to
keep
music
in
ybor
city.
P
P
P
Do
we
extend
the
boundary
that
far,
oh
and
by
the
way?
Yes,
there
is
going
to
possibly
be
some
sort
of
something
going
in
on
the
west
side
of
nuccio.
Do
we
extend
the
boundaries
that
far?
We
need
to
be
very
careful
on
how
we
approach
this.
My
concern
is
still
the
infringement
upon
the
neighborhoods
by
bars
and
restaurants
that
have
amplified
music.
P
C
I
Hold
off,
let
me
speak
and
then
you
can.
I
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
don't
know
much
about
ybor
city,
but
I
was
born
there
and
I'm
still
three
years
old.
But
let's,
let's
look
at
iport
city.
What
was
it
full
of
nice
little
wooden
houses
with
very
little
insulation,
with
99.9
of
them?
No
air
conditioning
where
people
walked
everywhere,
where
you
had
a
streetcar
system
that
worked
when
you
had
three
theaters
in
nebor
city,
the
ritz,
the
casino
and
believe
it
or
not.
I
No
one
complained,
because
what
the
only
speakers
they
had
sent
sound
from
here
to
there,
and
that
was
it
now.
You
got
these
ten
thousand
dollar
speakers.
You
got
a
twenty
thousand
dollar,
whatever
it
is
an
amplifier,
and
what
do
you
have
music
going
blasting
everywhere?
Now
the
houses
and
the
apartments
and
the
condos
and
whatever
have
insulation,
have
brick
on
the
outside
sea
rock
on
the
inside
windows,
bulletproof
soundproof,
and
they
still
hear
it.
What
does
that
mean
so
just
understand?
I
What's
happening
everywhere,
it's
incumbent
upon
something
to
do,
something's
got
to
happen
and
what
it
is
it's
very
hard
to
determine.
But
when
you
look
at
it
what
it
was
and
what
it
is
and
let's
face
it,
the
ones
that
brought
ybor
city
back
with
the
tumbleweed,
the
prostitution
that
it
had
in
the
drug
addict.
I
In
the
70s-
and
you
know
who
brought
it
back
the
artist
the
artists
were
the
first
ones
to
come
in
and
make
people
feel
at
home
and
walk
through
and
buy
their
wares,
and
they
had
a
great
until
somebody
opened
up
one
bar,
that's
fine,
and
then
what
happened.
The
rent
went
up
in
the
bar
and
somebody
bought
another
building
and
guess
what
to
the
artist
they
had
to
leave
because
their
rent
went
up.
You
talk
about
rent
control
there.
I
You
are
so
the
amount
of
money
that
could
have
been
made
by
a
different
product
and
I'm
not
going
to
mention
the
product
became
more
expensive.
So
therefore,
the
rents
went
up
so
they're
the
ones
that
brought
back
e
more
city
to
a
great
extent,
then
the
entertainment
district
started
to
become
ybor
city
was
an
entertainment
district
without
the
name
entertainment.
When
I
was
a
kid
everybody
had
a
great
time.
I
So
these
are
the
things
that
I'm
looking
at,
and
I
tell
myself
wow
that
happened
all
in
a
couple
of
years,
a
few
years,
maybe
15
years.
However,
when
I
hear
oh,
you
weren't
there,
you
knew
what
you
were
going
into
when
you
moved
in
yeah.
That's
a
small
minority
of
them,
but
a
lot
of
preponderance
of
equals.
Equal,
I'm
going
to
say,
were
there
before
all
this
happened
and
they're
the
ones
that
were
stuck
in
the
middle.
I
I
That's
the
problem
that
we
have
and
ebor
city
is
not
going
to
be
what
it
was,
and
ybor
city
and
the
people
moved
out
for
various
reasons,
not
one.
It
wasn't.
The
expressway
solely
that
killed,
ebola
city,
there's
a
lot
of
other
things
that
happened
in
nebor
city,
but
when
you
look
deterioration
of
the
homes
just
different
things,
a
better
education
people
got
better
jobs.
I
I
Will
come
back
you're
going
to
take
a
lot
more
conversation
and
getting
together
in
a
workshop
before
you
come
to
something
that's
acceptable
to
everyone
and
I'm
not
trying
to
play
favorites
one
side
or
the
other
side.
We
have
to
have
something
that
we
can
say.
Here's
the
finished
product
this
is
aboard
city
is
not
going
to
change
for
many
years
to
come.
I
E
I
E
C
C
The
rooftops,
the
rooftops,
have
become
the
popular
thing
now
and
it
should
be
a
time
limit,
because
that
does
amplify
out
all
over
the
place
and
there
should
be
a
time
on
that
rooftop
where
you
need
to
cut
that
off.
So
I
I
totally
agree
on
that.
You
know
I
heard
people
talk
about
the
the
special
permit.
You
know
for
the
outside
music.
Mr
citro,
you
know
you,
I
guess
you
researched
that
and
came
up
with
that
as
well.
C
C
It'll
never
be
perfect,
but
you
got
the
business
owners
who
said
they
set
up
shop.
How
do
we
make
sure
that
they
comply
get
them
in
a
room?
These
are
some
rules.
What
do
you
believe?
Then?
You
have
the
communities,
you
have
franklin
street.
Well
now
you
know
I've
had
all
the
complaints
about
the
bars
and,
frankly
in
the
house
the
apartments
are
right
across
from
the
bars
and
then
you
got
the
rooftops
outside
should
rooftops
be
allowed
in
those
residential
areas,
there's
so
many
different
variables.
C
Here
we
talk
about
the
general
talked
about
the
car
music.
With
the
woofers
he's
right,
you
got
the
tweet
and
the
roofer.
Well,
the
woofer,
you
ain't,
you
know
you,
I
don't
think
the
devil
will
categorize
that
in
the
system
and
it
does
shake
your
house,
mr
clay
daniels.
You
guys
have
seen
mr
daniels
here
multiple
times
about
that
woofer
shaking
his
house.
C
Gonna
have
to
do
something,
but
I
think
looking
at
this,
this
permit
situation,
mr
citro
came
up
with,
might
be
an
ideal
thing,
looking
at
rooftops
to
say,
there's
a
certain
hour
that
you
know
you
may
have
some
people
in
the
rooftop,
but
you
just
can't
have
that
music
on
that
rooftop
and
it
can't
be,
you
know,
amplified
out.
I
mean
that
is
the
new
thing
now
covet
is
coming.
That
has
been
the
popular
thing
now
for
people
to
be
outside
now
in
front
of
businesses.
C
Now,
with
music,
a
lot
of
patios
now
and
then
again
we're
talking
about
an
entertainment
district
regal
said
we
don't
really
have
a
defined
entertainment
district,
but
we
all
know
where
our
our
main,
where
people
come
to
tampa
they
want
to.
They
want
to
come
to
ebor
city
link
that
couple
attempts
to
get
downtown.
C
C
Everyone
can
go
nowhere
where
you
live
at
can
go
and
you
can
party
hear
the
live
music
and
we'll
have
to
worry
about
that
eventually.
One
day,
I
think
that's
a
great
idea,
because
other
cities
do
have
those
type
of
entertainment
districts,
but
for
me
I
think
we
gotta
do
just
a
little
bit
more
work
to
craft
it
up
to
get
there.
I
think
we're
getting
we're
getting
it
we're
getting
the
conversation
that
we're
really
getting
to
the
meat
everybody
to
really
get
there.
We
gotta
just
look
at
again
these
rooftops.
C
You
know,
maybe
these
permits
that
we
talk
about
and
and
and
define
what
areas
is
actually
an
entertainment
district
where
you
can
carve
out
that
way.
Everyone
won't
say
you're
being
biased
to
one
community
versus
another.
Unless
you
have
a
number
to
think
fellas,
I
see
you
have
a
long
list.
There.
M
A
I
don't
think
it
has
anything
to
do
with.
Oh,
not.
G
R
R
May
I
pardon
me,
may
I
just
offer
two
thoughts
before
you
proceed.
I
appreciate
all
the
comments
that
have
been
made
by
the
council,
members
and
the
public
and
just
to
reiterate,
we
might
be
beating
this
more
than
necessary,
but
I
thought
the
two
most
vital
things
I
think
represent
from
the
staff's
perspective.
R
R
This
is
about
amplified
bands,
djs
booming
speakers,
some
of
those
things
that
have
really
started
to
become
more
egregious,
so
just
bear
that
in
mind,
but
but
lastly,
is
whatever
direction
you
take
this
and
we're
supportive
of
passing
it,
as
is
today
or
reconsidering
or
modifying
all
of
this.
R
They
have
really
had
the
legs
cut
out
from
under
them
and
again,
this
is
by
our
most
egregious
offenders,
those
bars
and
restaurants.
The
vast
majority
of
them
that
do
comply.
This
is
of
not
no
concern
to
them,
because
they're
not
being
cited
or
warned,
but
for
the
egregious
offenders
they,
the
police,
have
ended
up
in
a
spin
cycle
of
that
warning,
with
a
waiting
period
and
so
on.
So
that
would
be,
I
think,
our
couple
of
requests
wherever
you
take.
R
M
You,
mr
chairman,
as
I've,
stated
many
times,
probably
over
the
last
15
years.
M
So
I
I
don't
think
one
size
fits
all.
Works
works
very
well,
but
it's
a
huge
quality
of
life
issue,
because
if
you
can't
sleep
at
night
because
something
something's
keeping
you
up,
music
or
barbells
slamming
or
what
have
you
and
we
hear
about
all
of
them
right
bill.
M
We
need
to
help
tpd
with
the
enforcement
and
I'm
not
trying
I'm
not
trying
to
get
in
their
way,
but
I
wrote
down
a
couple
of
ideas
specifically
again,
as
I
said
it
an
hour
ago.
I
think
the
channel
district
change
that's
proposed
in
in
the
draft
ordinance
or
the
ordinance
that
we
approved
on
first.
First,
amendment
making
channel
district
not
be
a
db
red
area
but
be
a
reasonable
standard,
as
susan
has
it,
we
should
leave
alone.
M
I
I
I
would
accept
the
proposed
step
down
as
as
as
it's
written
today,
but
I
would
modify
it
slightly
because
somebody
has
almost
made
fun
of
this
75
db
thing
and
says
it's
like
the
sound
of
a
blender
or
something
like
that.
So,
instead
of
so
what
I
would
propose
is
changing
that
so
so
from
6
p.m,
to
1
a.m.
It's
85!
It's
currently
85
leave
it
at
85.
M
We
step
down
to
80
and
then
after
2
a.m,
drop
it
to
the
65
which
is
being
proposed
anyway,
from
2
a.m.
Until
the
next
day
at
6
pm,
it's
not
as
big
a
drop
down
as
going
to
the
75
db,
but
it,
but
it
is
a
drop
down.
So
that's
a
sort
of
a
compromise.
M
The
next
suggestion
I
have
relates
to
what
is
ebore.
How
do
we
describe
ibore
clearly
that
big
ibor
map?
That's
the
ibor
historic
district-
is
way
too
big
if
we're
gonna,
if
we're
gonna
carve
out
an
eboard,
that's
an
entertainment
area.
As
I
said
earlier,
I
would
propose
I-4
to
the
north
highway
60
to
the
south
nucio
to
the
east
and
24th
street
to
the
west.
It's
not
perfect,
but
it's
kind
of
a
rectangle
and
something
easy
I
think
for
tpd
to
get
in
regard
to
the
five
minute
warning
and
carol.
M
I
apologize
for
this
one,
but
I've
been
thinking
about
it
a
lot
for
the
last
hour.
I
think
a
warning
is
important
and
I
think
a
warning
within
the
code
is
important
because
we
don't
want
to
be
the
kind
of
city
that
says.
Aha
gotcha
without
a
warning
we
want
to
work
with
businesses,
and
especially
these
clubs
and
restaurants
have
had
a
hard
time
the
last
two
years.
So
we
don't
want
to
be.
M
You
know
we
don't
want
to
be
miserable.
So
let's
include
the
minute
warning
in
there,
but
once
they
get
that
warning,
they
don't
get
another
warning
in
under
what
I've
written
here.
They
wouldn't
get
another
warning
for
30
days,
okay,
so
from
then
on
for
that
and
the
guys.
So
if
the
officer
comes
by
the
next
day
and
the
guy
says
well,
you
didn't
warn
me
well,
I
warned
you
yesterday,
okay
or
I
warned
you
a
week
ago,
and
that
was
good
enough.
M
So
I
would
say
I
would
say,
give
them
a
five
minute
warning,
but
that
warning
that
warning
would
it
is
good
for
30
days
they
don't
get
another
one,
they
don't
get
to.
They
don't
get
to
be
annoying
night
after
night
after
night
and
you
know
be
loud
and
then
fix
it.
When
the
cop
comes
and
then
be
loud,
the
next
day
and.
C
M
You
know
the
technology.
Is
there
the
ability
to
tag
that
building
with
a
with
those
comments?
I'm
sure
is
there,
it
just
has
to
be
done
and
then
the
last
little
note
I
have
here
as
related
to
this
notion
of
no
amplis
no
amplified
sound
after
midnight
citywide,
I
would
say
we
carve
out
an
exception
for
the
arena
district
and
the
e-board
district,
because
we're
we've
got
an
exception
up
there.
M
If
we,
if
we
leave
them
in
the
db
category
category,
we
acknowledge
the
fact
that
those
are
unique,
perhaps
louder
areas,
but
we
protect
the
rest
of
the
city
a
little
bit
more
with
this
no
amplified
sound
after
midnight,
and
I
think
there
is
a
good
justification
for
those
carve
outs.
I
mean,
I
think,
we've
all
acknowledged
that
certain
parts
of
town
are
going
to
be
louder
and
more
musical
and
entertainment,
and
that
sort
of
thing-
and
I
think
right
now-
that's
igor
in
the
arena
district.
M
E
C
M
That
was
outside
and
that
wasn't
fun
so
anyway,
so
I
don't
know,
I
think
what
what
I've
heard
from
susan
johnson
and
from
council
is,
you
know
clearly
we
can't
do
this
today.
Clearly,
we've
got
to
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
a
little
bit.
M
I
think
miss
jonathan
velez
says
why
don't
we
come
back
for
this
as
a
workshop
and
she
could
bring
us
perhaps
a
draft
that
we
would
vote
on
tonight
tentatively
with
direction
and
then
in
a
direction
draft
tonight
and
then
and
then
you
could
bring
back
that
back
at
a
workshop.
We
could
finalize
at
the
workshop
and
come
back,
but.
C
C
C
M
M
I
I
R
Yeah,
but
in
that
point
pardon
the
interruption
we
have
captain
owen
who's
jumped
back
on.
If
you
wouldn't
mind,
I
think
he
could
weigh
in
on
that.
Just
on
that
point,
thank
you.
Everyone's.
Q
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
with
you
as
far
as
the
30-day
warning.
What
is
your
expectation
from
giving
them
that
five-minute
warning?
How
long
does
that
stand?
Q
Is
there
going
to
be
any
kind
of
a
like
a
one
hour
or
two
hour
window
where
that
warning
stands
for
that
period,
and
then
they
don't
get
another
one
for
30
days?
What
is
your
expectation
in
that?
Are
you
going
to
stick
with
the
48
hours?
I
kind
of
like
to
understand
what
your
thought
process
is
with
that.
M
No
well,
I
mean
I'll,
accept
any
suggestion
you
have
my
my
thinking
is
the
officer
goes
out
and
gives
says
you
know
gives
that
five-minute
work
right
after
we
adopt
the
ordinance
says.
Okay,
I'm
going
out.
I
got
the
complaint
you're
too
loud.
Here's
here
you
got
my
five-minute
warning.
Okay,
he
circles
back
five
minutes
later.
If
they
fixed
it
fine.
If
he
gets
another
complaint
an
hour
later,
he
cites
them.
M
He
gets
another
and
if
he,
if
he
gets
another
complaint
for
the
next
30
days,
he
continues
he
or
his
fellows
continued
to
cite
them
and
then,
after
after
30
days,
okay,
maybe
they
need
to
warrant.
You
know,
maybe
they
need
to
crank
up
a
warning
again
again,
you
know.
That's
that's
that's
what
my
thinking
is
on
that.
E
Susan
johnson
velez,
yes,
the
first
violation
is
150
and
then
it
goes
up
there
I
think
to
300,
and
then
450
is
the
highest
level
and
it
stays
there
at
300.
After
I
mean.
C
I'm
sorry
10
people
10
people
going
to
the
club
that
one
night
and
I
pay
that
that's.
D
Mr
chair,
you
reckon,
could
I
just
please
we
we've
had
lots
and
lots
of
meetings
on
this
we've
had
hearings.
We've
had
the
opportunity
for
people
to
speak.
We
approved
this
at
first
reading.
It's
that
second
reading.
I
really,
I
think,
if
we
don't
approve
something
it's
gonna.
It's
gonna
show
signal
to
the
community
that
we're
not
serious.
D
I
I
would
rather
prove
this
today
and
if
we
need
to
set
up
30
days
or
60
days
from
now
for
the
staff
report
back
from
some
town
hall
meetings,
they
have
in
it
with
in
ebor
to
tweak
it,
but
at
least
if
we
approve
it
today.
All
we
have
to
do
is
vote
yes
today
and
it
it's
in
place
and
then
how
long
until
it
goes
into
effect
six
months.
T
I
E
Entertainment,
well,
there
is
the
six
month
postponement
of
the
effective
date,
as
mr
carlson
has
mentioned,
and
any
any
changes
to
the
ordinance
that
that
you
make
tonight
that
change
it
from
what
it
was
for
at
first
reading,
which
it
sounds
like
it
definitely
would.
We
would
have
to
take
back
to
first
reading.
So
unless
you
approve
the
same
ordinance
that
was
presented
to
you
on
first
reading,
we
would
have
to
joke.
M
I
wasn't
aware
of
the
six
month
implementation.
In
light
of
that,
I
might
be
okay
to
go
with
that,
but
within
the
next
30
60
days.
I
think
we
need
to
revisit
some
of
these
tweets.
We
will
is.
D
It
sounds
like
it
needs
to
be
two
motions:
I'm
happy
to
make
them.
If
you
all
want,
but
the
staff
would
come,
the
staff
would
hold
whatever
meetings
they
need
and
then
come
back
to
us
in
60
days,
with
with
recommendations
on
how
to
tweak.
P
And
if
I
may,
mr
esquire
actually
said
some
points
that
he
would
be
willing
to
help,
so
he
can
go
out
to
these
establishments
in
ebore,
take
their
ideas
and
bring
them
back.
We're
happy
to.
M
Entertain
anyone,
the
only
other
question,
mr
chairman,
you
recognize
is
if
we
make
these
tweaks
with,
let's
say
next:
you
know
we
adopt
this
tonight.
That
second
read
is
done
six
months
from
now.
It
goes
into
effect.
If
we
make
these
tweaks,
let's
say
60
days
from
now
90
days
from
now,
do
we
have
to
do
it?
Does
that
push
that
six
months
out
further
or
can
that
just
be
incorporated
in
the
this
is
going
to
be
go
into
place?
In
you
know,
july
1st,
or
whatever.
D
C
All
together
what
I
prefer
to
see
if
we
do
this,
I
prefer
that
they
get
with
the
neighborhood
engagement,
janelle
and
her
group
to
be
able
to
talk
to
some
of
these
community
groups
as
well,
and
I
know
the
police
department
has
their,
I
can't
think
of
the
acronym.
They
talk
with
the
businesses
and
things
like
that,
and
that
way
you
get
those
eye
all
those
ideas
together.
While
listening
to
some
accounts,
I
did
and
then
try
to
craft
something
down
the
way
that
way
everyone's
had
their
input
into
the
ordinance.
Now.
M
C
All
right
so
who,
who
wants
to
go
ahead
and
fly
this
bird?
So
we
can
land
it.
Q
One
question
with
regards
to
the
30-day
warning:
so
when
you
all
were
talking
about
the
fine
amounts
and
stuff
like
that,
I
thought
about
last
year
we
only
had
one
second
citation
issued
to
an
establishment,
so
in
the
event
of
that
30
day
warning,
do
we
want
to
leave
an
open
avenue
there
for
someone
who
is
getting
us
a
second
citation
or
some
of
these
bad
actors,
and
we
kind
of
want
to
future
proof
this
a
little
bit
for
any
new
incoming
establishment?
Q
Do
we
want
to
put
some
kind
of
mechanism
in
there
for
that
to
kind
of
go
along
with
what
councilman
dingfelder
was
talking
about
with
his
30
days?
If
there's
no
violations,
we
have
no
problems,
we
go
on.
They
get
a
new
30-day
warning,
but
if
there's
continued
problems,
we
want
to
carry
that
in
order
to
allow
it
to
proceed.
M
Captain
the
good
news
is
as
of
tonight
it
looks.
It
looks
like
we're
just
going
to
go
with
deleting
the
warning
for,
pursuant
to
your
probably,
I
think
it
was
your
suggestion,
but
then,
if
that's
where
mr
carlson's
going
but
then
down
the
road,
we'll
probably
have
to
revisit
this.
C
D
C
D
To
do
and
for
anybody
watching,
I
I
will
make
this
motion,
but
I
think
at
least
I
and
others
want
to
see
that
that
I
I'm
allowed
to
make
a
second
motion.
Just
after
that
would
say
that
we'd
come
back
and
make
some
some
tweaks
or
amendments
do.
D
D
Make
a
motion
for
for
staff
to
return
in
60
days.
C
I
K
M
B
C
K
K
B
O
K
That
that
is,
staff
resource
driven.
So
that's
a
question
for
staff.
I
would,
I
would
suspect
you
can
I,
I
suspect,
if
it's
council's
desire
to
do
what
was
stated
today,
the
clerk,
the
staff
has
clear
direction,
it
can
be
workshopped,
it
can
be
brought
back,
it
can
be
brought
to
the
stakeholders
and
council
should
be
able
to.
K
D
K
D
I
I
D
The
attorney
just
said
it
the
attorney
just
said
I
can
do
a
straw
vote.
So
if
I
make
a
second
mo
if
this
passes,
I
make
a
second
motion
that
will
come.
That
will
ask
staff
to
come
back
on
april
28th
workshop
to
to
give
us
a
report
on
the
meetings
they've
had
in
ebore
and
other
communities
to
suggest
amendments
to
the
ordinance
show
hands
how
many
people
would
vote
for
that.
C
I
P
D
Mr
chair,
I'd
like
to
move
file
number
e
2021-8
chapter
14,
ordinance
being
presented
for
second
reading
adoption,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
tampa
florida
relating
to
the
regulation
of
noise,
making
revisions,
the
city
of
tampa
code
of
ordinances,
chapter
14,
article
3,
noise,
amending
section,
14-151
purpose,
amending
section,
14-152
definitions,
amending
section,
14,
14-153,
unreasonably
excessive
noise
from
a
property
prohibited,
ybor
city,
historic
district
channel
district
and
the
arena
district
amending
section,
14-154,
unreasonably
excessive
noise
from
a
property
prohibited
all
other
areas,
amending
section,
14-159
enforcement,
creating
a
new
section;
14-164
outdoor
amplified,
sound
from
any
property,
prohibited,
repealing
all
ordinances
or
parts,
parts
of
ordinances
and
conflict
they're
with
providing
for
severability
providing
effective
date.
D
C
A
A
L
J
D
Chair
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
that
we
asked
staff
to
meet
with
the
community
based
on
the
community
input
and
discussion
tonight
and
in
particular
the
ebook
community
and
returned
to
us
at
the
workshop
on
april
28th,
to
discuss,
recommended
amendments
to
the
ordinance
that
we
just
passed
and
yeah.
R
Respectfully,
if
I
think
the
message
that
we've
we're
hearing
from
you
is
that
the
balance
of
the
ordinance
as
written
is
generally
acceptable,
but
we
need
to
further
review
the
outdoor
amplified
and
the
five-minute
warning
components.
Is
that
fair.
D
I
D
I
think
they're
they're.
There
are
a
lot
of
things
that
were
hurt
tonight
and
you
all
may
go
huddle
and
think
about
it.
My
intent
is
for
you
all
to
go
back
out
and
meet
with
the
public
based
on
what
you
heard
and
come
back
you
I
mean
you,
you
worked
for
bloomberg
and
other
folks
have
lots
of
great
experience.
You
all
come
back
with
your.
D
You
won't
be
here,
but
you
will
give
us
your
input
and
advice
before
then,
and
and
and
and
let
us
know,
based
on
the
discussions
you've
had
in
the
community.
What
are
the
ways
that
we
can
treat
this.
M
Three
issues
that
I
mentioned
are:
are
the
db
step
down
the
actually
four
issues
db
stepped
down
the
geographic
description
of
ebore,
the
warning,
the
five-minute
warning
and
the
no
amplified
sound
after
midnight.
Those
are
the
four
issues
that
I've
yeah.
C
M
C
Little
confused,
this
ordinance
is
not
going
to
take
effect
until
six
months
correct.
I
want,
because
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
not
passionate
and
right
now
I
start
to
hurt
folks
on
jobs.
So
that's
my
biggest
concern
so
now,
if
we're
saying
that
six
months
period
and
you're
giving
them
90
days
to
go,
do
further
research
and
whatever,
whatever
I'm
I'm
good
with
that.
But
I
don't
want
to
want
to
pass
something
and
I'm
going
to
hurt
people
you're,
correct.
D
Changes
today
the
the
timeline,
as
we
talked
about
it
hypothetically
was
we
would
come
back.
The
staff
would
go
meet
with
the
community
come
back
on
april
28th.
We
would
have
a
discussion
about
the
amendments,
not
not
replacing,
but
just
amendments
or
tweaks
to
this,
and
then
it
based
on
that
we
would
record.
We
would
ask
staff
on
that
day
to
come
back
with
a
with
a
an
ordinance
that
they
would
come
back
with.
Maybe
two
weeks
later,
super.
E
Susan
johnson
velez
assistant
city
attorney,
so
so
I
think
I
I
can
assure
council
that
we
will
follow
the
same
path
that
we
always
do
in
the
many
motions
that
you
make
and
that
direct
us
to
do
something.
So
we
will
review
the
transcript
of
this
hearing
along
with
all
the
public
comment,
and
you
know,
digest
it
and
come
back
with
recommendations.
E
I
think
we'll
be
able
to
cipher
out
what
what
you
all
are
interested
in
the
areas
that
you're
interested
in
and
we
will
make
outreach
to
the
community
and
come
back
with
some
recommendations
for
you
at
that
april.
28
workshop,
the.
D
But
if
hypothetically,
if
we
were
discussed
on
april
28th,
we
come
back
two
weeks
later
with
first
reading
two
weeks
later
with
second
reading,
then
by
by
the
end
of
may,
the
thing
is
completely
done
and
that's
still
within
the
six
months
anyway,
and
but
along
those
lines
we'll
decide
whether
we're
going
to
extend
it
or
not,
but
anyway,
by
the
end
of
the
year.
This
will
be
fully
in
place
with
amendments
gentlemen,.
E
D
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
that
and
sorry
clerk.
If
I
don't
get
this
exactly
the
same,
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
that
that
we
ask
city
staff
to
go
back
to
the
community
based
on
the
feedback
today
from
the
community
and
and
council
to
hear
from
the
community
again
and
come
back
on
april,
28th
workshop
with
recommended
amendments
to
the
ordinance
that
we
just
passed
with
the
idea
of
amending
them.
Going
forward.
C
C
M
B
B
C
Right
so
we'll
we'll
take
that
and
then
we'll
make
sure
she
gives
the
update
next
next
council
meeting
on
there
most
of
the
stuff.
We
continued
all
right.
We
continued
from
the
previous.
K
May
I
make
a
recommendation
unless
there's
a
question:
94
is
something
that
is
really
easily
taken
care
of
unless
there
are
questions,
but
otherwise
it
is
something
that
normally
would
be
on
the
consent
docket,
but
for
the
amount.
C
No
100
has
to
be
decided
today
because
I've
got
questions
from
from
the
administration
and
mr
shelby
1996
did
mr
bear
leave
any
questions
for
you.
A
He
has
a
motion
here.
I
guess
I'll
make
it
now
and
I'm
on
item
number
96
the
complaint
registry
for
landlords
motion
to
it
for
come
back
in
90
days,
which
is
april
21st
under
staff
reports
with
an.
C
All
right,
mr
mr
maniscal
made
a
motion,
mr
dean.
All
in
favor
all
right
impose
motion
granted
all
right.
97
was
your
real
estate
in
single
source.
They
were
kind
of
upset
already.
We
put
it
off
a
couple
times
now,
so
now
they
are
on
the
line.
C
D
C
Q
I
sent
a
memo
at
on
october
1
that
addressed
this
issue
in
lieu
of
showing
up,
and
it
was
sent
through
both
gene
duncan
and
carol
post
that
oversee
both
of
those
departments
and
basically
the
memo
says
that
the
contract
administration
department
only
awards
design
and
construction
contracts
via
competitive
methods
that
neither
cad
nor
real
estate
vision,
initiates
or
engages
in
any
process
regarding
single
source
or
sole
source.
Designation.
C
D
Not
at
all,
I
think
this
is
a
really
important.
You
know
where
part
of
the
genesis
of
this
also
is.
Our
budget
committee
came
to
us
and
said
from
their
analysis
and
their
meetings
with
the
departments
that
that
that
many
contracts,
especially
in
contract
administration,
have
not
been
put
out
for
bid
for
a
long
time
that,
for
example,
they're
pre-qualified
companies
that
have
been
on
the
list
for
20
30
years
and
new
companies
are
not
being
invited
in.
D
C
All
right,
so
we
need
to
continue
that
and
want
to
date
for
that
service.
D
This
is
what
you
know.
This
is
one
of
the
most
important
things
in
the
city.
We
have
one
example
this
morning
where,
where
people
are
alleging
that
I
don't
know
the
details
of
what
actually
happened,
but
the
community
is
alleging
that
it
wasn't
fully
pull
out,
put
out
the
bid
in
the
right
way
and
and
even
if,
if,
if
there's
one
contract
of
any
kind
that
we
put
out-
and
we
don't
get
multiple
bids
and
we
pay
a
million
dollars
too
much
the.
D
C
So
it's
late,
mr
cross
is
late
and
you
wanna
try
to
get
a
couple
of
these
out
of
the
way.
I
think
we're
going
to
go
continue
us
on
this
and
get
the
right
people
here
who
you
want
here,
and
can
you
give
me
a
date
right
on
my
deputy
clerk
for
mr
carlson?
So
we
can
have
this
back
in.
D
D
I
think
it's
going
to
end
up
being
so
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
that
we
move.
This
item
set
97
to
the
april
28th
workshop
and
include
the
the
head
of
contract
administration,
the
head
of
real
real
estate
and
and
also
our
budget
advisory
committee,
either
representative
or
the
committee.
C
C
Thank
you,
mr
you
want
to
talk
about
your
mcfarland
cameras,
correct
sir.
C
E
A
It's
and
I
understand
with
covid
and
everything
in
between,
but
it's
been
well
over
a
year
and
the
neighborhood
is
asking
and
at
mcfarland
park
there
has
been
quite
a
bit
of
crime,
vandalism
and
whatnot
and
again
the
neighborhood
wants
to
know
when
security
cameras
are
going
to
be
put
in
place
to
help
deter
some
of
this
crime.
A
If
you
saw
the
new
murals
that
were
painted
and
unveiled
in
that
park,
the
investments
that
we've
made
on
the
the
playground
equipment
that
we
saw
over
the
last
year,
councilman
goose,
was
there
with
me
and
councilmember
vieira
with
the
mayor
and
whatnot.
But
still
it's
a
it's
a
beloved
neighborhood
park
and
the
neighborhood.
A
C
Anybody
from
parks
and
wreck
here,
mr
miss
win
or
shalesha.
C
All
right,
let's
go
ahead
and
go
ahead
and
table
it
because
he
wants
to
answer
on
that.
So
let's
go
ahead
and
table
it
to
the
what's.
The
next
council
meet.
Mr
third.
A
All
right,
if,
in
the
meantime
I
speak
to
the
chief
of
staff,
you
know
then
we'll
we'll
have
it
resolved
by
then,
but
I'll
reach
out
to
them.
I'd
like
to
get
an
answer
to
this
neighborhood
association,
they've
been
very,
very
patient
emote.
A
C
C
All
right,
so
all
right,
so
let's
go
ahead
and
steve
goes
left,
but
we'll
go
ahead
and
see
what
your
report
is,
what
you
had
to
say.
Yes,
I
don't
know
what
he
wanted
to
ask,
but
go
ahead
and
tell
me
what
you
got
going
on
for
99,
sir.
J
Sure,
yes,
sir,
so
that
the
motion
is
staff
to
record
on
additional
solar
panels
and
that
came
up
on
the
november
4th
meeting
when
you,
when
council
approved
the
final
gmp.
J
D
J
That
satisfies
that
portion
of
the
motion.
The
second
part
of
the
motion
includes
the
potential
involvement
of
local
trade
unions
as
related
to
the
hannah
project
and
I'm
going
to
defer
to
brian.
K
Yarborough
from
dpr.
J
J
Yes,
sir,
so
good
evening,
good
evening,
council.
P
Yeah
so
in
regards
to
the
local
trade
unions,
we've
been.
M
In
in
conversations
with
representatives
from
those
unions,
ensuring
that.
Q
Q
C
All
right,
that's
that's
great-
that
we're
going
to
do
that.
Just
got
to
know
how
that's
going
to
be
done
and
also
you.
C
We
have
a
lot
of
guests
here
this
morning,
talking
about
community
and
folks
in
the
community
and
being
a
part
of
this
project,
and
I
I
just
wanted
to
figure
out
how
how
your
company's
gonna
work
with
that,
and
I
I'm
going
to
probably
ask
sal
in
reference
to
some
comments
that
were
made
and
it's
late
tonight,
so
I'm
probably
going
to
hold
off
on
that,
because
we've
got
a
whole
book
of
stuff.
C
That
councilmembers
need
to
look
over
that
we
received
today
that
I'm
sure
will
be
questions
and
we'll
probably
make
a
motion
for
staff
to
come
back
and
review
that
because
I
believe
they
left
a
book
for
the
clerk's
office.
Correct
you
get
a
book
this
morning,
mister
I'll
make
sure
you
get
my
book,
so
you
can
copy
and
put
it
into
the
record
one.
Okay,.
D
Yeah,
I
don't
want
to
get
into
a
long
conversation
about
this,
but
if
there,
if
there
was
anything
about
the
purchasing
process,
that
didn't
exactly
follow
all
the
rules,
it's
not
the
fault
of
the
firms
who
got
the
contracts.
It's
the
it's
the
fault
of
the
city
for
not
following
them,
and
I
don't
know
if
rules
were
followed
or
not,
but
we
need
to
go
back
and
look
at
all
the
discussion,
and
I
would
just
ask
staff,
I'm
not
accusing
anybody
of
anything.
D
The
community
has
accused
all
of
us
and
I
think
we
all
have
to
take
an
honest
look
at
it
and
a
thorough
look
at
it,
and
not
just
this
particular
case,
but
all
the
cases
and
how
these
processes
are
led
because
of
the
community
keeps
coming
back
to
us
over
and
over
and
over
again
saying
that
in
the
in
the
contracting
of
services
in
particular
that
it's
not
fair.
It's
not
open
we're,
not
getting
competitive
bids.
We
need
to
really
thoroughly
look
at
this
process
so
that
we
can
fix
it.
D
I
To
do
an
audit
on
what
we
just
discussed
you
right
here
to
clear
up
this
error.
There
are
rules
and
regulations
they
can
serve.
Finally,
if
there's
anything
different,
they
they
report
to
us
on
basic
all
the
audits,
so
we
can
ask
them
as
the
administration
to
assign
the
auditors
to
whatever
we're
talking
about
here
regarding
the
the
administration's
real
estate
department
or
whatever
other
department,
you
want
to
look
at
that
doesn't
take
long.
C
All
right,
we'll,
I
I
think
in
the
in
the
best
interest
of
time
this
evening.
I
think
that
we
cannot
cannot
do
nothing
when
the
folks
have
come
with
giving
all
these
documents.
So
we
need
that
well,.
C
D
All
of
us-
but
I
I
think,
let's
give
this
if
you
don't
mind,
let's
give
the
staff
a
chance
to
report
on
their
own
and
show
us
the
thorough
process
that
they
went
through
without
having
an
audit
the
the
audit
process.
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
with
them
and
they
go
through
just
to
look
at
the
basic
processes.
This
is
deeper
than
that.
B
Just
to
clarify,
I
do
have
a
book
from
natalie
neff
that
was
submitted
during
public
comments.
C
And
mr
robinson
right
so
that
way,
mr
robinson,
as
well
that
way
staff
can
review
what
they've
said
what
they've
said
and
come
back
to
us.
How
many
days
you
think
we'll
need
mr
carlson,
you
like.
C
K
C
D
C
D
K
Well,
I'm
saying
I'm
saying
if
you
wanna
continue
this
one
motion,
but
what
was
raised
this
morning
is
outside
somebody.
Looking
at
the
agenda
would
not
know
what
you
just
referenced
with
all
these
items
that
you
talked
about
with
potential
audits
and
the
like.
So
so
I
I
suggest
that
you
make
a
motion
that
truly
reflects
what
council's
intention
is
when
it
comes
back.
C
All
right,
so,
mr
maniscalco,
we
I'll
pass
the
gavel
to
you
I'll
make
the
motion
in
light
of
documents
that
have
been
received
from
the
community.
We
ask
that
staff
review
the
documents
and
come
up
come
back
with
a
report
in
person
and
reference
to
the
information
that
has
been
given.
Yes,
mr
shelby.
A
A
A
A
P
K
A
All
right,
we
have
much
from
council
chairman
goodes.
Do
we
have
a
second
second?
Second
from
council
member
carlson
roll
call,
you
don't
all
in
favor
aye,
any
opposed
all
right
motion
passes.
The
gavel
is
back
to
you
all
right
and
clerk.
You
do.
K
Yes,
mr
chairman,
well,
first
of
all
we
have
item
100
and
then
we
have
the
the
walk-on.
Would
you
like
to
take
up
item
100
at
this
point?
Yes,
one
item
100
is
whether
the
council
wishes
to
continue
the
use
of
cmt
on
a
permanent
basis,
and
I
should
also
point
out
council
that
separate
from
that
that's
one
issue
of
whether
we
just
continue
having
the
running
the
meetings
technologically,
the
way
we
have
and
logistically
the
way
we
have
that's
a
separate
issue
than
the
way
the
meeting
space
is
conducted.
K
K
Then,
let's
put
that
issue
aside:
let's
just
go
back
to
item
100
then,
which
is
irrespective
of
when
things
go
back
to
normal.
Will
you
city
council,
is
the
question
whether
to
use
cmt
on
a
permanent
basis,
and
then
we
have
to
adjust
our
policies
and
your
procedures
accordingly
to
that,
so
the
question
is:
do
you
want
to
hold
it
off
again
and
put
it
down
the
line,
as
you
did
the
last
time,
because
you're
still,
certainly
not
back
to
where
you
thought
you
might
be
today
and.
D
I
would
I
would
propose
I
can
make
a
motion
that
we
that
we
retain
cmt,
at
least
until
tampa,
is
no
longer
under
emergency
order
and
then.
D
Order
that's
renewed
like
every
week,
but
until
we're
not
under
an
emergency
order
when
we're
not
under
emergency
order,
we
can
revisit
and
vote
again
and
if
there's
a
gap,
we
can
do
it
on
a
temporary
basis
like
we
have
been
so.
I
I,
unless
somebody
object,
I'd,
make
a
motion
that
we
continue
to
use
cmt
until
tampa
is
no
longer
under
an
emergency
order,
at
which
time
it
will
be.
We
will
revisit
whether
we
should
do
it
permanently.
Second,.
C
K
I
think
it's
in
best
interest
now
at
this
hour
to
ask
council
to
receive
and
file
this
resolution
and
and
not
have
to
take
it
up
tonight.
That
would
be
probably.
C
C
B
C
I'm
satisfied
mr
daniel's,
not
here
so
I
mean
I
don't
know
all
he
wanted
to
ask
he's
not
here
so,
mr
madison,
this
is
for
new
business.
Sir.
A
All
right,
I'm
going
to
begin
with
councilmember
vieiras.
There
are
quite
a
few
here,
but
they're
easy.
So
I
have
a
motion
or
I
like
to
make
a
motion
to
move
the
boy
scout
troop
four
pledge
before
city
council
from
january
20th
to
february
24th
to
the
evening
session
check
it
out.
Thank
you.
What's.
C
A
Thank
you
very
much.
The
next
motion
is,
I
might
like
to
make
a
motion
from
cub
scout
pack
16
to
give
the
pledge
of
allegiance
at
the
february
10th
evening
meeting.
Second,
I'm.
A
I
A
A
A
Joshua
tannen
for
him
to
give
a
five
minute
presentation.
He
is
in
need
of
a
kidney
transplant.
A
A
A
If
we
can
move
it
to
february
8th,
I
don't
I
just
I
don't
know
the
gentleman's
schedule
if
he
can't
make
it-
and
you
know
I
don't
know
without.
C
C
They
don't
need
to
be
on
the
the
agenda
now
because
look
where
we're
at
right
now,
this
these
agendas
are
long
now,
especially
with
all
these
zonings
on
here
and
I've
said
it
time
and
time
again,
it
doesn't
matter
how
we're
cutting
it
down,
but
all
these
zones
we're
doing
these
hearings
look
what
time
it
is.
If
we
would
have
an
evening
meeting,
we
had
to
cut
a
bunch
of
stuff
whole
and
continue
and
stuff
because
of
the
time
yeah
I
mean
it's
over
here
o'clock,
yeah.
I
C
C
C
A
A
D
Yes,
thank
you,
sir.
The
issue
came
up
about
apprenticeship
participation
and
I
would
like
to
suggest
make.
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
re
that
city
council
request
that
staff
list
the
amount
of
apprenticeship
participation
in
the
summary
of
an
item
the
same
as
they
do.
Mbe
participation.
D
That
that,
if
it
make
a
motion
that
to
the
city
council,
asked
staff
to
include
a
notation
about
the
amount
of
apprenticeship
participation
in
the
summary
documents
of
items,
just
as
they
do,
mbe
participation,
if
applicable,.
S
Yeah,
I
was
just
gonna
know
the
way.
The
way
the
apprenticeship
ordinance
works
is
if
it's
applicable
they're
required
to
have
a
certain
amount
of
percentage
errors.
S
So
perhaps
the
better
way
to
ask
the
question
would
be
or
to
make
the
most
would
be
that
we
add
a
notation
as
to
whether
the
apprenticeship
ordinance
will
be
applicable
to
a
particular
contract,
because
remember
it's
only
applicable
to
certain
contracts.
There
must
be
no
state
money
involved.
It
has
to
be
over
a
certain
amount
right
now.
It's
for
vertical
construction.
Q
D
D
Okay,
I'll
change,
my
I'll
change.
My
motion
just
just
to
ask
that
city
city
council
request
that
staff
notate
on
the
summary
page
of
an
item,
if
applicable,
sorry
it
that
they
notate
on
the
summary
page.
If
the
apprenticeship
participation
is
applicable
to
that
item,.
D
Thank
you,
miss
element,
the
other
thing
you
guys
tell
me
if
you
want
to
do
this
or
not,
but
since
this
has
come
up
over
and
over
and
over
again,
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
that
we
request
that
staff
planning
staff
and
legal
staff
look
across
the
city
for
the
possibility
of
creating
one
or
more
entertainment
districts.
D
C
D
I
Miranda
I'm
disappointed
mr
cedric
I'll
just
say
hi
to
thanks
to
chief
tripp
and
to
the
off-duty
tampa
fire
rescue
team
who
traded
their
fire
hoses
and
hammers
this
weekend
at
the
tampa,
hope
site,
building
permanent
shelter
structures
for
clients
in
need
and
I'll
give
this
to
the
clerk
for
further,
and
I
have
two
accommodations
that
I'd
like
to
have
this
council
vote
on
one
to
the
jesuit
high
school
football
team.
C
I
C
I
And
that
we
also
bring
in
mr
gunsmart,
who
was
the
last
time
they
won
in
1968,
he
was
in
the
championship
team.
That
was
the
last
time
they
won,
and
I
don't
know
what
date
in
february.
I
8Th
february,
8th
and
I'll
find
out
with
a
coach
and
so
forth,
they're
available,
I
don't
really
know,
and
the
next
one
is
for
the
university
of
tampa.
Ladies
volleyball
team
I'd
beat
you
with
that.
One
too:
it's
not
good
to
be
last
that
won
the
championship.
Division
two
in
college.
I
K
K
C
We
can
work
around
it,
we'll
work
around
that
miss
matascalco.
Take
the
galveston
was
a
motion
made
on
december
2nd
for
mr
vivian
haywood
long
time
activist
for
accommodation
we.
Finally,
we
get
in
touch
with
her
to
really
know
she
was
able
to
come,
but
she's
able
to
come
and
want
to
do
that.
On
the
january
18th
accommodation
we've
had
a
chance
to
get
back
but
january
18th.
C
C
That's
it
also.
Mr
miranda
beat
me
to
it,
but
I
do
want
to
give
special
recognition
to
two
other
ball
clubs,
because
it's
very
hard
to
get
to
a
state
championship.
C
Berkeley
prep
got
there
for
a
smaller
school
private
school
and
it's
very
hard
to
get
there
and
also
my
alma
mater
tampa
bay,
tech,
and
you
know
the
history
of
tampa
bay,
tech
and
it
getting
to
get
there.
I
can
tell
you
guys
I
was
on
that
team.
We
beat
tampa
county
for
our
first
win
forever
and
I
consider
one
cherry
was
a
quarterback.
C
Gayle
series
was
a
reporter.
I
I
never
forget
that
and
for
my
alma
mater
to
get
there
and
to
get
to
the
state
champion
and
they
paid
they
played
a
powerhouse
same
time
is
the
queen.
That's
a
powerhouse,
that's
the
athlete's
dream
to
be
able
to
be
able
to
be
the
fort
to
go
there,
but
I'd
like
to
get
both
those
ball
club
regularly,
because
it's
hard
for
us
to
get
back
here.
Those
type
of
ten
bay
takes
a
vocational
high
school.
C
I
went
to
it's
very
hard
to
get
athletes
to
get
there,
but
the
coach
is
doing
a
great
job.
So
I
like
to
recognize
both
those
teams.
I
know
the
february
8th
is
pretty
packed
now
correct,
but
they're
they're,
all
sports.
So
far.
So
that's!
Actually
we
can
talk
with
the
coaches,
get
both
of
those
groups
in
tampa
bay,
tech
and
berkeley.
Prep.