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B
Madam
clerk
is,
is
Mr
zimmett
online.
B
B
C
Yes,
so
the
council
held
at
its
meeting
on
December
1st,
had
an
initial
reading
of
the
ordinance
that
we
had
drafted
related
to
the
changes
to
section
2.02.
The
council
requested
some
changes
to
the
ordinance
which
we
have
now
made
and
we're
presenting
this
ordinance
back
to
the
council
for
first
reading.
C
C
Yes,
I'm
sorry,
my
name
is
Alan
zimmett
I'm,
an
attorney
with
Brian
Miller
Olive
I've,
been
retained
by
the
city
to
assist
in
drafting
the
charter,
Amendment
ordinances
requested
by
Council
and
I'm
here
to
make
a
presentation
on
the
three
ordinances
that
are
back
for
first
reading,
presenting
Charter
changes
to
include
the
requested
changes
made
by
council
at
the
December
1st
meeting.
Thank.
B
Is
that's
I'm,
sorry,
Mr,
chairman
I'm,
sorry,
councilman,
Goods,
that's
correct.
He
works
with
Jennifer
Cowan,
who
is
also
with
Brian
Miller
and
Olive
and
presented
the
last
time.
So.
Thank
you.
Yes.
Thank
you.
C
Sir,
please
proceed.
Thank
you.
So
the
first
ordinance
is
has
incorporated
the
changes
that
the
council
requested
with
regard
to
section
2.02
of
the
charter.
We
have
reinserted
the
language
that
allows
a
council
member
to
run
for
a
different
District
after
having
served
two
consecutive
terms
in
a
Council
seat.
We've
added
language
that
the
council
requested
that
puts
a
outside
limit
total
limit
of
four
consecutive
terms
on
any
council
member
that
language
that
new
language
is
underlined
on
page
two
of
the
of
the
new
ordinance.
C
Otherwise,
we
have
revised
the
title
of
the
ordinance
to
reflect
what
changes
we
are.
The
council
has
requested
with
regard
to
section
2.02
and
we
revise
the
question
to
reflect
what
is
actually
now
what
are
now
the
proposed
amendments
to
section
2.02.
B
If
I
can
Mr
chairman
Mr
zimmit,
you
provided
the
clean
version.
I
have
the
the
the
the
red
line,
the
the
underlying
strikethrough
for
Council,
if
they
wish
to
have
that
distribute
I
can
distribute
that
to
them.
If
they
need
to
see
that,
but
when
you're
referring
to
page
two
in
the
underlying,
were
you
referring
to
what
council
was
sent
out?
Originally,
yes,.
C
A
F
C
It's
four
consecutive
terms,
so,
for
example,
a
council
member
can
run
in
district
one
for
two
terms
then
run
in
District
Four.
Let's
say
for
another
two
terms
and
they
would
have
four
consecutive
terms
and
they
would
be
totaled
out.
Okay,
they
set
out
a
term.
Then
you
would
start
over.
So
if
you
serve
three
terms
set
out
a
term,
then
you
would
start.
F
And
and
that's
fine
and
and
I
would
like
to
see
more
or
stricter
term
limits,
but
but
I'm
again
this
is
fine.
I'm
fine,
with
my
Lord
knows,
I'm
not
going
to
send
this
thing
back
to
the
drawing
board.
Thank
you
and
thank
you
very
much
for
your
firm's
hard
work
on
this.
Sir.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
G
H
It
doesn't
seem
like
any
of
these
were
fixed.
So,
yes,.
I
And
in
fact,
that
was
one
of
the
charter
amendments
that
passed
in
the
last
election
and
apparently
no
one
ever
went
back
and
went
through
the
charter
and
found
all
the
pronouns.
We've
now
started
to
undertake
that
project,
and
we
also
determined
that,
because
it
already
went
to
the
voters
and
passed,
we
don't
have
to
go
back
to
the
voters
to
make
those
changes.
I
A
H
Miss
ellman,
while
you're,
while
you're
up
there.
Just
because
of
that
is
there
a
way.
I
think
it
would
be
great
if
we
were
able
to
and
I
can
make
a
motion
for
this
to
go
through
and
make
sure
that
all
18
changes
that
we
worked
so
hard
on
were
actually
implemented.
I
I
A
G
I
J
I
G
A
The
miss
someone
anything
else
you
would
like
to
add,
or
is
there
any
one
of
staff
that
would
like
to
add
anything?
No.
B
If
I
can
I'm
sorry
to
interrupt,
if
I
can
Mr
chairman
I'd
like
to
make
a
suggestion
to
council,
because
this
is
very
time
sensitive
I
would
ask
that
Council.
Consider
setting
this
for
the
first
set
of
items
after
public
comment
to
be
able
to
get
it
to
the
mayor
in
a
timely
fashion,
because
time
would
be
of
the
essence.
B
C
Please
proceed
yes
again:
Alan
Zimmerman
from
Brian
Miller
I'll!
This
is
the
ordinance
calling
for
reference
election
for
the
proposed
changes
to
section
5.01
of
the
city
Charter.
These
changes
relate
to
the
citizens
review
board.
C
The
changes
that
we
have
made
since
you
saw
first
saw
this
ordinance
on
December
1st,
were
to
reflect
the
motion
that
was
passed
by
the
city
council
to
make
changes
relating
to
the
hiring
of
legal
counsel
on
behalf
of
the
citizen
review
board.
But
the
language
now
provides
is
that
the
citizen
review
board
would
select
the
council,
which
would
the
attorney
would
be
funded
by
the
city
and
we
deleted
the
reference
to
the
Tampa
Police
Department
that
we
had
previously
included
at
the
end
of
the
proposed
a
new
language.
C
We
likewise
have
changed
the
title
to
reflect.
What
now
is
being
presented
to
for
revisions
in
section
5.01,
and
we
would
accordingly
revise
the
referendum
question
that
would
be
presented
to
the
voters
again.
The
main
the
main
two
changes
are:
the
citizen
review
board
would
select
the
attorney
and
inserting
specific
language
that
the
Sydney
would
pay
for.
The
attorney.
H
Go
okay!
There
you
go
yes,
sir
ordinance
being
presented
for
first
free
to
consideration
an
ordinance
relating
to
the
government
of
the
city
of
Tampa
Florida,
submitting
to
the
electors
of
the
city,
a
proposed
amendment
to
the
revised
Charter
of
the
city
of
Tampa
of
1975,
as
amended
to
amend
section
5.01,
to
provide
for
the
citizens
review
board
to
select
legal
counsel,
who
is
not
a
city
employee
to
advise
the
citizens
review
board,
with
funding
provided
by
the
city,
providing
an
effective
date.
A
A
G
K
C
Thank
you
again:
Alan
zimmett
Brian
Miller
Olive,
this
one's,
probably
the
simplest
of
the
three.
This
one
relates
to
the
changes
in
section
10.10
that
relate
to
the
Chart
review.
Commission.
The
change
that
the
council
requested
was
instead
of
convening
a
charter
review
advisory
commission
every
seven
years.
It
would
be
every
eight
years,
so
we
made
that
corresponding
change,
not
only
in
proposed
changes
to
section
10.10
in
the
title
and
in
the
referendum
question
that
would
be
proposed
to
the
voters.
L
You
very
much
an
ordinance
being
presented
for
first
reading
consideration,
e-2022-8
chapter
2,
an
ordinance
relating
to
the
government
of
the
city
of
Tampa
Florida,
submitting
to
the
electors
of
the
city,
a
proposed
amendment
to
the
revised
Charter
of
the
city
of
Tampa
1975,
as
amended
to
amend
section
10.10,
to
correct
a
scrivener's
error
and
to
provide
that
commencing.
In
2025.
A
charter
review
advisory
commission
be
established
every
eight
years
instead
of
every
10
years
in
legal
counsel.
M
K
M
A
K
A
Sure
I,
thank
you
for
all
your
hard
work
in
this
and
thank
you
for
your
legal
expertise
in
rewriting
these
things
for
us.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
N
Afternoon
city,
council,
Gene,
Duncan
administrator
for
infrastructure
Mobility.
My
staff
report
will
consist
of
several
slides
brief
slides
to
share
with
you
and
I
thought
it
might
be
convenient
if
you
have
a
paper
copy
of
those.
So
I'd
like
to
hand
those
out
if
that's
okay.
N
So
we
had
a
motion
last
month
to
bring
back
some
additional
information
about
our
waste
energy
facility
on
the
planning
behind
that
facility
project
that
is
currently
underway.
Some
of
the
requests
that
were
in
the
transcript
behind
the
motion
were
for
more
information.
We
put
on
our
website
for
timing
information
to
be
provided,
cost
information
a
little
more
pronounced
in
a
format
that
lists
the
assets
that
are
being
refurbished
or
replaced
or
retrofitted.
As
part
of
this
project
next
slide,
please,
oh
sorry,
I
thought
they
were
thought
they
were
driving
for
me.
A
N
Sorry
about
that,
so
just
very
quick,
brief
information
about
our
industry
standards.
Typically,
waste
energy
facilities
are
designed
with
a
20
to
30
year
estimated
operating
level.
Obviously,
regular
maintenance
intervals
are
undertaken,
annual
and
periodic
maintenance
is
conducted
to
make
sure
the
critical
systems
are
functioning
and,
as
things
get
close
to
their
useful
life,
there's
identification
of
refurbishment
needs
that
are
planned
for
the
facility.
N
N
So
there's
requests
to
add
a
different
format
of
this
information:
referencing
timing,
which
I
took
to
be
life
cycle
and
also
when
things
are
put
into
service.
So
we
created
this
information.
This
slide,
which
identifies
the
major
assets,
not
every
single
one,
but
the
major
assets
that
will
need
to
be
addressed
in
the
project
when
they
were
placed
into
Service,
as
you
can
see,
they're
pretty
old
and
I
hate
to
say
that
1985
is
old
but
and
then
the
estimated
life
cycle
from
excuse
me
estimate
life
cycle
from
the
investment
that
we
make.
N
So
again,
in
line
with
the
capital
program,
in
line
with
the
30-year
plan,
we
map
out
a
schedule
of
needs
and
projects.
This
is
a
little
bit
busy
slide,
but
just
for
your
reference,
the
top
bar
is
the
current
project
that
we're
underway
with
we
had
the
17
million
dollar
GMP.
A
couple
months
ago,
we've
started
on
that
work,
which
consists
of
design
and
initial
vendor
procurements.
N
So
again,
our
five-year
CIP
was
adopted
in
October.
This
is
in
the
budget
book.
That's
been
on
the
website.
It
is
currently
on
the
solid
waste
waste
energy
website.
We
totaled
the
numbers
at
the
bottom
for
more
convenience
to
see
what
our
estimated
Outlook
is
for
costs.
These
are
planning
level
numbers,
as
we
all
know,
with
budgets.
Unfortunately,
in
today's
world
everything
seems
to
get
more
expensive
and
go
up
in
cost,
but
at
least
this
gives
us
an
order
of
magnitude.
N
N
I
have
a
list,
of
course
that
I
just
mentioned
here's
a
visual
of
some
of
those
items
that
will
be
refurbished
or
retrofitted,
for
example,
the
cooling
tower
that
was
built
in
1985.
definitely
needs
to
be
replaced.
We
have
Transformers
built
in
98,
1985.
definitely
need
to
be
replaced
and
replacing
of
the
refuse
pit
crane.
The
ash
building
needs
to
be
repaired.
So
that's
just
a
visual
that
goes
with
some
of
the
items
that
are
in
this
project
that
we're
currently
working
on.
N
And
again
we're
in
the
stage
of
working
on
this
project.
We
did
a
consultant
selection
back
in
April
and
selected
Charles
Perry
Partners,
who
we
call
cppi,
which
is
a
BBE
Prime,
with
several
subconsultants
and
vendors
on
their
team.
We
had
the
first
guaranteed
maximum
price,
approved
by
Council
for
17
million
dollars
back
in
August.
We're
working
on
those
tasks
now
we'll
be
bringing
a
second
GMP
back
in
the
spring.
N
That
is
going
to
be
a
large
number
which
we
expect
it
could
be
in
a
60
to
80
million
dollar
range,
but
I
don't
want
to
put
that
in
concrete,
because
we
don't
have
that
GMP.
Yet
part
of
the
pre-designed
work
that's
going
on
is
to
come
up
with
the
details
that
give
us
that
number
and
that
cost
estimate
just
one
other
point.
I
want
to
make
item
47
on
the
consent
agenda
is
an
audit
that
we
requested.
Knowing
that
we
were
transitioning
this
plant
from
corporate
to
Municipal.
N
We
wanted
to
see
what
needed
to
be
done
to
make
sure
we
have
new
protocols
going
forward.
So
there
were
some
tracking
items,
Staffing
items
and
sop
items
that
need
to
be
addressed.
We're
currently
working
on
those
items
and
Dennis
just
has
a
couple
money
slides
to
share
so
I
will
hand
things
over
to
Dennis
foreign.
O
Thank
you
ma'am
good
afternoon,
Council
Dennis,
Rogero,
Chief,
Financial
Officer,
moving
into
slide
number
10,
as
we've
shared
before
I,
just
want
to
reiterate
that
we
have
not
obligated
the
city
to
any
debt.
So
far,
really
the
only
thing
we've
obligated
the
city
to
was
that
approximate,
17
million
dollar
equipment
purchase
or
purchases
back
in
August.
On
the
second
bullet
item,
you'll
recall
the
reimbursement
resolution
for
220
million
dollars.
We
also
did
in
August.
O
We
did
that
for
basically
two
reasons:
the
first,
as
you
recently
heard
from
our
bond
Council,
we
did
that
to
set
ourselves
up
to
get
reimbursed
from
this
debt
service
for
any
expenses
we're
making
right
now,
as
you
heard,
Bob
Council
say
it's
a
very
prudent,
forward-looking
action
and
we
thank
our
team
for
surfacing
that
we
also
did
that
to
satisfy
council's
continued
desire
to,
as
you
all
say,
show
us
the
whole
picture.
Okay,
don't
don't
don't
drib
and
drab
your
plans
to
us?
O
O
O
What
will
come
from
this?
The
feasibility
study?
It's
basically
what
are
the
parameters
that
are
going
to
be
required
for
this
project
or
these
projects
to
go
forward
as
we've
shared
before
it
will
include
some
sort
of
rate
increase
recommendation.
We
just
don't
know
what
it's
going
to
be
yet
until
the
feasibility
study
and
rate
study
is
complete,
that's
anticipated
to
be
summer.
It
takes
quite
a
bit
of
time
to
do
this.
Extensive,
extensive
research
that
a
220
million
dollar
plan
warrants
the
final
boat.
Of
course,
things
are
changing
at
a
rapid
Pace.
O
O
And
here
you
are-
these
are
the
various
times
this
year
that
we
have
surfaced
this
plan
with
Council
and
with
the
public,
not
only
the
waste
to
energy
plan,
but
the
larger
overall
plan,
again
with
the
intent
of
providing
the
whole
picture
to
keep
everybody
abreast
of
what
our
plan
is
as
we
go
through
from
the
budget
presentation
in
August
to
the
public
hearings.
That's
where
a
city
council
approved
these
Capital
Improvement
projects
as
part
of
the
five-year
CIP
to
the
October
Workshop.
O
O
We'll
bring
this
to
you
again,
we'll
bring
a
business
case
again,
just
as
we've
done
with
this
and
we'll
bring
you
business
cases
for
the
third
item,
those
other
Solid
Waste
projects
which
include,
for
example,
the
truck
wash
wash
facility,
Renovations,
the
mixed
waste
processing
and
the
transfer
station
refurbishment
again.
This
is
the
broad-based
view
of
what
we
plan
to
do
going
forward
with
council's
permission
and
finally,
the
bottom
bullet,
because
we
are
in
such
volatile,
Economic,
Times
and
I.
O
O
L
You
very
much
for
that
presentation
and,
as
I
mentioned
in
the
past,
the
the
facility
after
having
taken
a
tour
and
I
believe
everybody
has
here
and
they're
familiar
with.
It
is
a
very
impressive
facility
and
seeing
how
everything
works
and
and
the
benefit
to
our
city
1985
was
thrown
out
there.
That's
not
old,
because
I
was
born
in
1984
and
I.
Don't.
L
This
type
of
machine
machinery
and
this
type
of
structure
I
think
only
one
part-
is
original
and
two-thirds
have
been
retrofitted
as
of
20
years
ago.
However,
it's
you
know
now
reaching
the
end
of
that
lifespan.
L
N
Charles
Perry
Partners
is
the
lead
Consultants.
Typically,
when
we
procure
projects
through
CCNA
there's
a
prime
consultant.
That
is
a
lead
on
the
project.
They
generally
get
the
most
of
percentage
of
the
work
and
then
they
decide
who
is
on
their
team
and
what
percentages
of
the
work
they're
going
to
Dole
out
to
their
team
members.
They
come
in
and
present
that
to
us.
So
that's
that
splitting
of
work
is
part
of
the
decision,
along
with
the
team
qualifications
as
well.
Okay,.
L
Because
it's
you
know,
220
million
dollar
overall
project
is
a
lot
of
money,
which
means
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
a
lot
of
people
to
get
or
earn
work
that
could
benefit
them
also
in
regards
to
the
guaranteed
maximum
price.
You've
already
put
that
cushion
that
contingency
of
nine
and
a
half
million
dollars,
considering
how
volatile
the
the
market
is
in
regards
to
supply
and
everything
you
know,
there's
there's
wants
and
there's
needs.
L
In
the
meantime,
while
things
come
up
and
running
again,
having
visited
the
facility,
you
can
see
where
there's
a
lot
of
Patchwork
and
we
need
replacement
and
it's
more
complicated
than
that
once
you
walk
through,
you
see
that
it
is
an
aging
structure
and
like
anything
like
a
car
or
whatever,
it
is,
if
you
don't
maintain
it
properly,
you're
going
to
have
a
breakdown
and
breakdowns
are
going
to
cause
whatever
amount
in
expenses.
So
you
know,
this
is
something
that
we
have
to
be
I
mean
it's
a
no-brainer.
L
We
have
to
be
on
top
of
it.
I
see
the
calendar
here,
the
public
hearings
that
we've
had
and
then
the
five
and
ten
year
plan
as
you've
shown
in
the
previous
charts
of
what
what
it's
going
to
cost.
But
again
this
is
a
necessary
investment
and
we
have
to
be
careful
not
to
delay
anything
like
this,
because,
again,
the
the
results
could
be
catastrophic
if
we're
not
on
top
of
this
type
of
Maintenance
and
investment.
Thank
you.
G
Yes,
and
thank
you
all
so
much
for
doing
this,
and
and
just
for
the
record,
this
is
I.
Think
the
third
time
we've
had
this
big
discussion,
the
second
time
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about
whether
we
should
do
this
or
not,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
everybody
knows
I,
never
question
whether
we
should
do
this.
I
want
to
look
at
the
what
the
chief
of
staff
calls
the
business
case.
What
are
the
Alternatives?
G
How
much
does
it
cost
and
in
particular
I
wanted
transparency
into
the
numbers
and-
and
you
all
have
given
I
want
to?
Thank
you
all,
especially
Miss
Duncan.
You
all
have
given
us
volumes
of
information.
You
know
I
was
frustrated
last
time
because
I
asked
things
like.
Was
there
a
feasibility
study
two
years
ago
and
and
nobody,
nobody
could
answer
a
question
about
whether
we
had
done
one
or
not.
Since
then
I
want
to
let
the
reassure
the
public.
G
We
have
that
and
it's
like
100
pages
long
and
and
we
have
all
the
other
backup
documents
that
have
all
the
details,
all
the
budgets
this.
What
you
saw
today
is
just
a
summary
of
it,
and-
and
this
is
the
kind
of
format
that
I'm
used
to
seeing
in
board
presentations
and
others
I
think
it's
clear.
G
It
gets
the
point
about
what
we
need
and
what
I
really
wanted
was
just
transparency
into
the
numbers
and
make
sure
that
every
that
we
understand
that,
but
the
more
importantly,
the
public
understands
what
what
we
can
expect
about
this,
because
if
we
talk
about
17
million,
but
we
have
no
idea
what
it's
going
to
cost
in
the
future,
then
then
then
then,
then
it
could
cause
confusion.
G
And
now
we
know
at
least
in
the
short
term,
somewhere
between
62
million,
when
I
added
up
all
the
numbers
and
I
think
you
put
82
in
for
the
for
the
bond
plus
nine
and
a
half
million.
But
it's
it's
good
to
and
that's
only
five
years,
but
it's
good
to
understand
that
versus
a
much
bigger
number
than
it
could
have
been.
And
it's
completely
understandable
that
yes,
facilities
like
this,
have
a
20
30
year.
Life
span.
G
You
all
knew
that
it
had
had
some
deferred
maintenance
and
so
all
of
it's
going
to
have
to
be
replaced
at
some
point.
I
simply
wanted
to
know
the
cost
of
it
and,
and
so
I
want
to
let
the
public
know
all
those
documents
are
there
and
you
said
Ms
dying
you're
going
to
put
it
on
the
on
the
webs
website
and
and
the
original
Consultants
report
2018
now.
This
is
not
under
Ms
dunga,
not
under
this
mayor,
but
it's
interesting.
G
One
of
the
items
says
you
know
how
to
correspond
with
each
of
the
constituents
and
in
the
in
the
primary
constituents
the
mayor's
listed,
but
city
council
isn't-
and
it
says
the
mayor
is
the
primary
decision
maker
on
this.
So
we
need
to
fully
brief
the
mayor
and
then
later
on
in
communication,
it
says
we
need
to
do
a
one-page
briefer
for
the
city,
council
and
I.
Don't
know
whether
that
came
from
the
consultant
or
staff,
but
that's
kind
of
what
I
experienced
or
felt
like
I
experienced
in
the
first
couple
conversations
about
this.
G
We
were
talking
a
lot
about
whether
we
should
do
it
or
not.
Instead
of
what
the
numbers
are
and
I
I
just
wanted
to
present
make
sure
the
public
understood
that
that
we're
paying
attention
to
the
numbers,
we're
asking
about
them
and
and
look
if
inflation
comes
in
some
number
goes
up
by
10
or
20
percent.
That's
I
think
everybody
will
understand
it,
but
at
least
we
have
some
context
to
understand.
It.
I
have
two
two
quick
questions.
G
One
is
what
capacity
do
we
have
still
if
this
thing
on
a
very
busy
day,
like
just
that
day
after
Christmas,
or
something
at
full
capacity,
full
tonnage
that
we're
getting
from
the
trucks?
How
much
capacity
is
left.
G
N
Our
team
members,
Chuck
Conklin
or
Michael
arcadis,
is
here
as.
N
Have
more
of
the
details
handy
so.
G
Q
Yes,
good
afternoon,
Council
Chuck
Conklin,
director
of
waste
energy.
We
we
are
currently
burning
about
a
thousand
tons
per
day.
The
plan
was
designed
for
a
thousand
tons
a
day.
So
one
of
the
issues
right
now
is
is
that
we
are
official
efficiency
is
down
with
this.
These
projects
completed.
We
fully
expect
our
efficiency
to
go
up,
we'll,
be
able
to
burn
more
more
waste,
a
little
more
waste
and
produce
more
electricity.
So.
G
G
I
guess
I
have
two
more
questions,
then,
in
these
in
these
refurbishments,
is
there
any
room
for
additional
capacity
or
just
efficiency?
There.
Q
Is
the
over
the
years
the
turbine
generator
has
lost
efficiency,
so
we're
going
to
make
a
little
more
electricity.
Also
when
we,
when
we,
when
we
refurbish
this
equipment,
we'll
be
able
to
produce
a
Little,
More
Steam
and
send
more
steam
to
the
turbine
generator
by
producing
more
steam,
we'll
have
to
burn
a
little
more
waste.
We
don't
know
the
exact
numbers
now,
but
we
know
we'll
get
an
efficiency
increase.
My.
G
Would
it
ever
make
sense
for
for
us
to
to
take
over
theirs
and
make
make
money
on
I
know
right
now
we're
we're
net
loss,
but
is
there
any
efficiency
by
having
more
tonnage
coming
in
that?
We
would
that
we
would
increase
our
our
revenues
through
selling
the
electricity
that
makes
sense
to
do
that.
I.
N
Think
I'd
like
to
ask
Michael
a
deloache
to
comment
on
that,
at
least
from
a
broad
response:
good.
R
Afternoon,
Council
I'm
Michael
delaj
I
work
for
arcadeus
with
Consulting
engineer,
Force,
always
and
waste
energy
for
a
long
time,
so
the
facility
did
used
to
take
some
waste
for
help
from
Hillsborough
County
there.
After
the
Hillsborough
County
settlement
agreement,
there
was
a
time
that
Hillsborough
County
would
bring
waste
over
when
Falkenburg
via
their
waste
energy
facility
was
down
and
as
their
capacity
increased
as
we
got
to
capacity
in
in
previous
years.
They
do
not
bring
any
waste
here,
probably
in
the
last
six
or
eight
years.
They
have
not
brought.
G
Any
waste
over
as
these
things
like
right
now
we're
taking
a
thousand
tons
and
I,
don't
know
what
their
need
is.
But
let's
say
it's
another
thousand:
is
there
any
efficiency
or
economies
of
scale
where,
where
we'll
we'll
make
more
money,
we'll
make
a
higher
percentage
than
we
are
now
I?
Think
it's
I,
don't
remember
exactly
it's
about
50
or
40
percent
that
we
have
to
subsidize
it
if
it
would.
If
we
took
on
more
tonnage
from
somebody
else,
is
there
a
possibility
that
we
could
get
closer
to
breaking
even
or.
R
There
are
possibilities,
some
of
my
other
clients
have
taken
in
outside
County
waste
and
other
other
if
they
have
additional
capacity
available.
The
problem
is
at
your
facility.
Mccabe
really
does
not
have
additional
capacity
available.
You,
you
could
put
all
of
the
waste
that
that
facility
is
capable
of
processing
through
that
facility,
with
what
you
already
generate.
R
Not
not
really,
no
so
the
the
relocation
of
the
spruce
streets.
All
the
waste
office
is
taking
up
most
of
the
available
real
estate.
That
is
still
remaining
there
on
that
site.
There's
not
room
to
add
an
additional
boiler
or
additional
capacity.
S
R
So
obviously
this
will
be
a
policy
decision
that
will
be
discussed.
You
know
both
with
solid
waste
Council
and
the
mayor's
office,
but
there
are
opportunities
and
I
believe
there
are
already
discussions
with
Hillsborough
County
that
they've
offered.
If
the
city
believes
that
you
need
additional
capacity
in
the
future,
you
can
look
at
sort
of
piggybacking
on
the
facilities
that
they're
looking
to
build
down
in
South
County
on
the
one
water
campus.
Obviously,
that
facility
is
years
out
from
being
built
and
they're
still
in
planning
stages,
so
that's
also
a
possibility
long
term.
R
There
are
other
possibilities
that
Solid
Waste
is
looking
at
for
diversion
techniques.
When
you
talk
about
Organics
diversion,
you
talk
about
other
pieces
that
they
can
pull
out
of
the
waste
and
not
put
to
the
waste
energy
facility.
They
lower
the
efficiency
of
the
waste
energy
facility,
anyways,
so
I
think
they're,
looking
at
other
recyclables
and
Organics
diversion
to
to
sort
of
reduce
the
total
volume
and
I
think
that's
your
best
bet.
Just.
G
Just
a
final
comment
on
the
water
issue:
the
city
pushes
to
control
our
own
have
our
own
facilities
that
we
control
and
on
this
issue,
we're
talking
about
maybe
Outsourcing
the
county.
It
seems
to
me
in
this
particular
issue.
It
might
be
better
to
look
at
expanding
our
existing
plan
conversation
for
another
day.
Thank
you.
H
Thank
you,
councilman
Carlson,
that
got
you
got
to
a
lot
of
the
points
and
actually
diversion
is
a
huge.
It's
a
huge
issue
for
me.
We
we
put
way
too
much
garbage
in
our
waste
energy
plant
and
we
really
need
to
divert
a
lot
of
that.
I've
had
some
conversations
with
director
Washington
already
on
that,
and
so
I
I
would
like
to
continue
that
so
that
we
could
take
in
more
garbage
from
other
places
if
we're
not
producing
so
much.
H
One
of
the
one
of
the
questions
I
did
want
to
ask,
though,
is
when
we're
looking
at
this
require
required
rate
study
or
to
determine
the
required
rates
to
support
this
future
debt.
Are
we
looking
at
the
cost?
I
would
like
included
in
that
figure
the
cost?
If,
if
we
didn't
do
anything
because
it's
going
to
be
a
large
I
mean
it's
going
to
be
a
change
and
people
may
say:
oh,
we
don't
want
that,
but
I
also
want
people
to
understand
what
would
happen
if
the
boilers
shut
down.
H
I
understand
what
would
and-
and
we
understand
that
the
cost
would
be,
would
include
trucks
going
to
Hillsborough
County.
If
Hillsborough
County
would
take
our
trash,
the
cost
of
them,
accepting
our
trash,
the
cost
of
overtime,
just
just
the
costs
because
doing
nothing
as
other
council
members
have
said,
it
doesn't
seem
like
an
option.
We
really
need
to
replace
this,
but
what
would
that
cost
be
to
rate
payers?
If
we,
if
we
just
didn't,
do
anything
because
I
have
a
a
feeling,
it
wouldn't
be
nothing.
H
So
we
need
to
share
that
so
that,
when
we're
looking
at
it,
we
look
at
the
broad
picture
and
I
agree.
I,
think
the
idea
of
expansion
is
very
interesting,
I'm
concerned
with
the
population
that
goes
up
in
the
city
and
the
rapid,
the
how
we're
building
how
many
people
are
Are
Moving
to
Tampa
and
how
many
businesses
this
isn't
just
pop
residential.
H
Of
course,
the
mayor
just
sent
me
to
Copenhagen
a
month
ago
to
take
a
look
at
their
biogas
plant,
which
is
the
diversion
of
food
waste,
which
was
really
amazing.
Something
definitely
worth
looking
into.
The
city
of
Orlando
is
putting
a
plant
in
and
I
think.
We
should
really
keep
our
eye
on
that
and
see
how,
in
the
future,
we
could
possibly
do
something
similar
to
help
divert
more
waste.
Q
Again,
Chuck
Conklin
waste
energy
director,
it's
very
small.
At
this
point
we
we
do
take
some
special
handling
waste,
which,
which
is
assured
destruction,
waste
for
businesses
and
and
other
other
locations.
But
we
don't.
We
try
not
to
take
waste
with
in
the
amounts
that
would
force
us
to
divert
into
diversion
of
city
waste.
Q
Q
A
A
N
G
L
So
I
have
spoken
with
Mr
bday
he's
asked
for
a
continuance
on
this
until
January
5th,
however,
I've
been
in
contact
with
some
members
of
the
community.
L
This
is
regarding
Trader
Joe's
on
South,
Dale,
Mabry,
I'm,
sure
we've
all
seen
it
and
heard
complaints
as
to
the
positioning
of
the
property,
the
parking
lot,
the
size,
the
parking
lot
and
how
that
traffic
pours
out
into
the
streets
and
causes
a
gridlock,
Mr
Beatty
asked
for
a
continuous
of
January
5th
just
to
better
access
the
situation
and
provide
more
information
to
the
public,
but
I
want
the
public
to
know
that
I
did
bring.
This
up.
L
I
have
spoken
with
Mr
bday
I
have
responded
to
constituent
constituent
concerns
regarding
this,
this
was
something
that
Trader
Joe's
was
implemented.
This
project
was
approved
before
you
know.
Most
of
us
were
here,
but
the
the
property
is
in
an
interesting
position.
It
doesn't
have
access
to
domain
really.
It
goes
out
to
one
of
the
side
streets,
but
in
that
it
affects
the
neighborhood,
because
it's
two
lanes
there's
a
turning
lane,
a
turning
area
there
on
Dale
Mabry,
but
that
was
it.
L
I
just
want
the
public
to
know
that
I'm
on
top
of
this
I
have
spoken
with
Mr
bday
and
the
continuance
is
requested
to
January
5th
just
for
more
information.
So
that's.
G
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
say
the
same
thing.
It's
it's
hard
to
see
where
the
dividing
line
is
between
his
district
and
my
district
and
so
I've
gotten
a
lot
of
complaints
about
this
too.
Just
one
question:
maybe
there's
nobody
here
to
answer
this,
but
has
there
been
any
any
permit
change
or
physical
change?
Anybody
know
any
any
physical
change
to
the
to
the
layout
of
Trader
Joe's
in
the
last
year.
T
A
T
Director
of
mobility
department,
I'm
also
joined
by
Abby
Healy,
but
to
answer
your
question:
councilman,
the
previous
property
had
a
similar
use
to
the
current
Trader
Joe's
in
that
they're,
both
Zone
commercial
General,
and
previously
it
used
to
be
a
gym.
Now,
it's
a
grocery
store,
of
course
there.
So
in
essence,
Trader
Joe's
moved
into
the
existing
structure
with
an
existing
use
or
city
code,
but.
G
Just
that
sorry,
that
happened
I
think
a
long
time
ago,
as
as
councilman
Maniscalco
said,
but
has
anything
changed
the
last
six
months
to
a
year.
I
wonder
we.
This
is
the
the
there
have
been
a
lot
of
complaints
about
this
intersection
for
a
long
time,
but
if
something
suddenly
changed
in
the
last
year.
T
Nothing
has
changed
that
we're
aware
of
in
terms
of
definitely
in
terms
of
the
street
and
the
roadway
capacity
or
operations.
What
does
happen
is
sorry
Miss
feely
did
you
have
a
I.
U
A
V
Thank
you
and
I
do
have
some
visuals
for
you.
I
think
that'll
be
the
fastest
way
to
provide
this
report.
If
I
can
get
that
up
here,.
V
A
V
Is
an
update
on
the
West
Tampa
overlay
I
was
asked
to
attend
some
of
the
West
Tampa
CAC
meetings
and
work
with
them
to
develop
some
changes
based
upon
a
a
series
of
design,
exceptions
that
were
requested
and
granted
by
city
council
just
to
provide
a
very,
very
brief
overview.
You
know
the
desired
development
pattern
of
West
Tampa
in
the
overlay.
This
is
an
example
of
a
structure
from
the
1920s
single
family
detached
this
is
the
desire
development
pattern
that
the
overlay
is
seeking
to
achieve
the
front
porch
The
Pedestrian
orientation.
V
V
This
example
is
specific
to
a
location
that
does
actually
have
an
alley,
that's
being
used
for
Access,
and
there
are
examples
of
infill
development
that
is
able
to
use
able
to
orient
towards
the
alley
and
use
the
alley
consistent
with
the
development
pattern
that
the
overlay
is
trying
to
achieve
right.
Let
me
see
if
I
can
zoom
out
here
as
far
as
some
of
the
newer
construction
that's
coming
in,
that
is
triggering
this
issue
related
to
Alley
access
again,
the
desired
development
pattern
for
a
standard
size
lot
for
single
family
detached.
V
This
is
the
desired
development
pattern
without
the
alley.
So
there
is
a
way
to
orient
these
single-family
detached
structures
where
the
garages
are
provided
for
in
the
back
and
where
you're
not
creating
unnecessary
conflicts
with
pedestrians
by
providing
wide
driveways
that
aren't
consistent
with
that
desired
development
pattern
that
the
overlay
is
trying
to
achieve.
V
Unfortunately,
what
we're
seeing
come
in
are
some
of
these
examples
where
that
garage
is
pulled
up
closer
to
the
street
and
a
double
car
driveway
is
being
being
put
in,
and
this
is
happening
in
locations
with
an
alley,
but
also
locations
without
an
alley.
So
it
is
related
to
The
Alley
issue,
but
it's
not
really
necessary
to
address
the
alley
issue
to
address
this.
So
the
recommendation
that
was
brought
forward
from
the
CAC
was
twofold.
V
The
first
is
to
to
require
this
condition
to
seek
a
design
exception,
so
this
would
still
be
allowed,
but
you'd
have
to
go
through
the
design
exception
process
to
do
the
double
car
driveway
and
do
the
garage
in
the
front.
If
that's
what
you
really
want
to
do,
if
your
lot
is
wide,
so
if
it's
70
feet
wide
or
greater,
there
is
a
demonstrated
development
pattern.
We
do
have
homes
in
West
Tampa
that
are
on
wide
lots
that
have
a
double
car
driveway
that
would
be
permitted.
V
Here's
an
example
of
the
newer,
a
newer
project
that
was
on
a
wide
lot
that
that
deserved
for
a
lack
of
a
better
word,
the
double
car
driveway,
but
in
the
air
areas
with
the
narrow
Lots,
the
the
proliferation
of
driveways
is
really
eroding
the
desired
development
pattern
of
the
overlay,
and
so
this
text
Amendment
would
do
would
do
just
that.
It
would
require
that
narrow
Lots
get
a
single
car
driveway.
V
If
you
want
a
double
car
driveway,
you
seek
a
design
exception,
it's
similar
to
what's
happening
with
the
alleys
right
now
now
to
to
address
the
alleys.
That's
the
second
recommendation.
The
CRA,
I
believe,
did
bring
staff
to
bring
forward
the
alleyway
study,
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
the
design
standards
for
alleys,
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
a
more
cost
effective
solution
so
that
we're
not
requiring
single
family
home
builders
to
spend
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars.
V
Rebuilding
our
alley
system
and
we're
also
going
to
look
at
what
alleys
are
the
most
important
to
the
the
CAC
members
that
we
can
maybe
look
at
costing
out
and
prioritizing
for
future
capital
projects,
developing
a
long-term
plan
to
rehabilitate
these
alleys,
because,
right
now
there
isn't
the
funding
source.
As
you
know,
the
sales
tax
for
transportation
did
not
a
pass,
and
so
we
really
have
to
prioritize
what's
the
most
important,
if
this
is
something
that
is
really
part
of
the
Future
Vision
of
West
Tampa.
A
D
Thank
you
very
much
for
Mr
Benson
I.
The
principles
that
you
brought
up
is
telling
me
and
I've
been
a
resident
of
West
sampus
in
1961.
Really
62.
is
that
there
is
no
pattern
of
West
Tampa.
What
you've
shown
us
here
is
the
big
houses
with
a
big
two-car
garage
in
the
back
or
whatever,
and
those
are
the
new
ones
that
are
being
a
new
they're
being
there
put
up
now,
because
a
lot
of
westampe
used
to
cost
10
12
000
now
250
000.
D
So
you
can't
build
a
little
puny
house
for
the
bicycle,
rack
and
say:
Here's
Where
I
want
to
live
because
the
lot's
worth
wanting
the
house.
So
what
you
do
is
you
've
built
this
and
you
have
to
make
the
payment
on
something
about
650,
000
to
750,
000.
and
and
if
I
repeat
that
people
are
going
to
say
he's
nuts,
so
I'm
not
going
to
repeat
it,
but
what
you're,
seeing
there?
What
I've
seen
with
my
own
eyes
is
that
what
sample
there
is
no
one
area.
That
is
alike
there.
D
Are
there
are
what
you
and
I
agree
with
there's
there's
houses
that
face
half
a
block
on
one
side
and
half
a
block
on
the
other
side,
because
they're
only
half
a
block
they'll
want
a
complete
block
on
both
sides
where
you
have
house
back
to
back
that
doesn't
exist
there.
You
also
have
lots
of
a
35
foot
wide.
D
D
I
would
imagine
some
maybe
in
way
past
that
there
was
an
alley,
but
when
all
of
us
bought
the
houses
there
for
twelve
thousand
four
hundred
dollars,
there
was
no
alley
so
I
don't
know
exactly
how
you're
gonna,
because
one
block
you
go
one
block,
you
got
one
thing:
if
you
drive
four
or
five
blocks,
you
see
two
alleys
or
you
can't
go
through
and
you
see
one
alley.
Well,
maybe
you
can
go
through
it,
but
it's
a
mishmash
of
all
of
it.
D
So
I
don't
know
how
how
you're
going
to
work
through
this
and
say
this
is
what
I
want
when
the
residents
there,
where
they
live
at
their
culture?
Is
there
they've
been
there
for
20
or
30.
West
Tampa
doesn't
move
that
much
so
they've
been
there
for
30
or
40
years
and
said
we
don't
want
that
I,
don't
know.
What's
going.
V
To
happen
it
and
that
that
did
come
up
in
the
discussions
with
the
CAC,
some
of
the
members
LED
in
the
original
part
of
West
Tampa,
where
the
lots
are
narrow,
you
have
the
historic
curbs
and
the
brick
streets,
but
the
Armory
garden
section,
there's
no
curb
the
streets
are
wider.
The
lots
are
huge.
How
do
you
treat
them
all
the
same
and.
D
That's
because
Army
guarding
is
a
different
area.
It
was
a
much
and
I
hate
to
say
this
about.
It
was
much
a
little
higher
Aloft
in
price
when
we
were
kids
now
they're
still
higher,
because
you
go
buy
an
army
garden
now
you're
looking
at
something
that
sells
for
a
lot
of
money,
maybe
close
to
a
million
dollars,
and
these
are
the
things
that
that
you
have
to
understand,
not
you,
but
the
whole
committee
or
whatever
is
looking
at
it.
That
is
very
different.
It's
everybody's
happy
right
now.
A
W
Get
it
yes
good
afternoon,
Council
I'm,
just
waiting
on
PowerPoint
presentation
to
pull
up
Kayon
Henderson
manager
for
the
Housing
and
Community
Development
Division
I
will
be
going
over
shortly.
Our
recommendations
for
from
our
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
also
known
as
our
ahac,
so
I'll
go
a
little
bit
over
what
the
a
hat
background
is
why
they
are
made
up
how
we
work
together.
W
The
incentives
update
that
we
have
some
recommendations
as
well
as
just
what
we're
looking
for
in
the
future,
to
make
sure
that
we
stay
on
target
so
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee,
the
ahac
committee.
We
have
to
have
a
committee
pursuant
to
the
ship
funds
that
we
receive.
W
Those
are
the
state
funds
which
is
our
state
Housing,
Initiative
partnership,
funds
and
so
we're
required
to
have
the
committee
and
meet
once
once
a
month
to
go
over
what
that
looks
like
as
far
as
any
future
development
as
well
as
the
committee
has
to
vote
on
any
ship
funds
that
we
would
utilize,
and
so
they
are
responsible
as
a
group
to
recommend
any
actions.
Any
initiatives
really
to
encourage
and
help
us
to
facilitate,
facilitate
I'm,
sorry,
affordable
housing,
while
protecting
realistically
what
the
ability
and
the
property
to
appreciate
in
value.
W
So
we
look
at
the
inventory
of
affordable
housing.
I
mean
we
know
that,
right
now
being
in
a
housing
crisis,
we
don't
have
enough
inventory
so
again,
really
why
this
important
committee
comes
together
every
month,
and
so
we
do
assess
what
the
property
assets
we
have
for
longer
term
Vision.
What
the
strategy
might
be
like
whether
or
not
we
continue
to
look
at
single
family
or
we're
looking
at
various
projects.
W
So
we
go
before
our
committee
and
and
give
the
different
incentives
and
strategies
that
we
have
to
look
at
per
the
state
and
then
together
we
talk
through
how
we
can
make
some
of
these
possible
The
Accelerated
permittent.
You
know,
that's
one,
that
we
continue
to
strive
in
and
continue
to
do
better
with
again
it
was
through
our
ahot
meetings,
where
it
was
meant.
It
was
suggested
that
we
kind
of
had
a
dedicated
person.
W
We
did
our
infill
phase
two
program
and
I'm
happy
to
say
through
these
conversations
the
fastest
permit
we
had
was
in
and
out
in
five
days,
looking
at
fee
waivers,
whether
that's
Water
and
Wastewater
capacity,
fee
waiver
and
evaluating
what
that
potential
impact
fee
deferment
would
look
like
density
bonus,
we're
proud
to
say
again.
You
know
we
come
together
and
figure
out.
How
do
we
make
those
deals,
move
forward?
And
so
we've
had
you
know.
W
In
the
past
year,
we've
had
some
density
bonus
agreements
that
we
were
able
to
come
together
and
again
pitch
these
ideas
through
our
committee,
looking
at
any
fee
waivers
again
the
water
and
wastewater
capacity
fee
waiver,
and
we
look
at
those
as
we're
looking
at
all
new
projects
and
as
long
as
they're
earmarked
or
affordable
housing
accessory
dwelling
units.
W
Yesterday
we
had
our
ahac
meeting
and
we
talked
about
continually
looking
at
how
we
reduce
parking
ratios
for
affordable
housing
instead
of
utilizing
that
space,
that's
really
not
being
used
for
parking
anyway,
the
policies,
procedures
and
ordinances,
as
we
have
new
programs
and
we're
looking
whether
or
not
we're
going
to
put
a
land
use
restriction
or
we're
putting
a
mortgage.
W
We
go
before
the
committee
to
make
sure
that
we
are
able
to
get
the
best
use
of
the
funds
or
the
best
use
of
the
development
that
we
have,
and
so
just
reviewing
that
and
looking
at
all
the
Land
Development.
The
zoning
code
changes
also
prior
to
it,
come
in
before
city
council
and
then
looking
at
all
suitable
land,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
that
will
have
to
ahac
by
annually
so
that
they
can
look
at.
We
have
what
we
have
inventory
wise
and
that
will
come
from
our
real
estate
department.
A
D
Thank
you,
chairman
I'm,
just
thinking
outside
the
box,
and
you
spoke
about
accessory
dwellings.
Have
you
or
your
staff
or
anyone
made
a
strategic
study
of
how
many
Lots
fit
into
where
you
could
put
another
building
in
the
back?
And
if
that's
a
fact,
do
you
have
to
rezone
that
property
because
they're
all
rs50.
W
X
H
From
my
understanding
at
yesterday's
a
hack
meeting,
one
of
the
things
we
talked
about
was
the
housing
study
and
we
are
currently
doing
that
to
find
out
what
what
we
have
and
what
we're.
Looking
for,
and
do
you
have
a
projected
date
that
you
may
I
mean
like
a
month,
possibly
that
that
might
be
done.
Maybe
for.
W
The
housing
needs
assessment,
yes,
I
definitely
think
it's
going
to
be
a
few
months,
not
like
another
month.
We
are
asking
for
some
information
a
little
bit
earlier,
so
that
we
can
start
to
assess,
as
we
have
new
programs
coming
out
and
so
we're
earmarking
to
get
some
some
of
that
statistics
a
little
bit
earlier.
A
E
We
should
be
inventory
in
the
city
to
see
how
we
can
capture
those
properties
to
look
at
attainable
housing.
The
market
is
not
going
to
drop
down.
You
know
to
change.
You
know
the
market
is
here
now
so
I
guess.
My
thing
is:
how
do
we
capture
that
portion?
That's
what
we
need
to
capture
things
that
are
dilapidated
things
that
are
just
sitting
in
this
city
right.
E
We
should
be
buying
buying,
buying
trying
to
ease
the
pain
of
some
of
our
citizens,
who
you
know,
are
being
forced
out
so
I
that
I'm
hoping
a
portion
of
that
study
or
study,
be
done
to
deal
with
that
issue
and
and
to
me
that
to
Gear
Up
real
estate
to
really
be
looking
in
that
direction,
so
I'm
hoping
in
the
future
Miss
Travis
right
now.
E
So
she
probably
already
said:
I've
got
that
handle
councilman
Goods
already
so
I
I'm,
just
hoping
because
I
I
hear
so
many
developers
and
just
everybody
says
and
talk
about
I'm,
not
saying
our
employees
are
working
hard
in
real
estate,
but
they're
just
saying
that
seems
like
we're.
Not
two
steps
ahead.
We're
like
four
steps
back,
so
maybe
just
I
don't
know.
Do
you
have
an
answer
for
me.
X
Yes,
I
do
Nicole,
Travis
administrative
development
and
Economic
Opportunity,
and
so,
as
we've
talked
about
before,
housing,
affordability
and
the
housing
crisis
that
we're
in
right
now
is
not
a
silver
bullet
solution
right,
and
so
we
work
closely
with
the
ahac
advisory
committee
to
come
up
with
different
types
of
strategies
and
incentives.
But
it's
also
coupled
with
our
housing
needs
assessment.
That's
taking
place
us
being
strategically
aggressive
with
property
acquisition.
You
just
recently
approved
another
2.20.
X
Excuse
me
20.2
million
dollars
as
a
CRA
board
and
that
money
in
the
districts
that
are
in
our
Central
Area
West
and
East
Tampa
honestly
have
the
most
affordable
land
that
we
should
be
strategically
trying
to
buy.
We
will
do
that
now
that
we
have
more
funds
to
do
that.
We
will
be
working
with
our
real
estate
team
to
do
that,
and
also
coming
forward
with
the
CRA
on
our
next
meeting
I'm
supposed
to
be
talking
to
you
about
Staffing
and
some
restructuring.
X
It's
also
to
put
together
a
project
management
team
that
could
also
help
identify
some
of
these
strategic
opportunities.
I,
don't
believe
in
purchasing
property,
where
the
private
sector
is
already
going.
I
think
that
Redevelopment
money
should
be
spent
to
Spur
a
private
investment
or
go
where
private
investment
is
not
going
and
then,
lastly,
to
councilman
Miranda's
points
about
smaller
lot.
Size
and
properties.
You'll
see
that
come
back
to
you
in
January,
I'm,
sorry,
it's
you'll
see
the
smaller
lot
sizes
and
whether
houses
or
different
unit
types
can
fit
on
those
smaller
properties.
X
You'll
see
that
come
back
to
you
in
January,
when
Mr
drum
girl
brings
to
you
the
assessment
of
CRA
properties,
that's
going
through
all
city-owned
properties
and
see
our
own
properties
and
then
it'll
come
back
to
you
as
city-owned
property.
So
we're
mapping
those
things
as
well,
working
closely
with
the
Land
Development
coordination
team
to
see
what's
available
land
and
probably
make
some
recommendations
to
you
for
reducing
minimum
lot
sizes
for
different
housing
types.
So
it's
again
it's
a
holistic
approach
and
not
just
one
that.
E
X
It's
a
different
department,
so
the
one
thing
about
our
real
estate
department
is
the
real
estate
department
is
an
internal
service
similar
to
hrit
that
supports
all
departments
that
supports
storm
water,
that
supports
Transportation
when
there's
easements
or
Acquisitions
taking
place
when
we're
doing
culverts
or
some
kind
of
infrastructure
item.
So
the
real
estate
department
is
a
department
within
my
port
portfolio,
but
it
Services
all
departments
across
the
entire
city.
So
it's
not
placed
just
in
the
housing
team.
X
The
idea
of
building
up
a
project
management
team
and
a
more
specialized
team
to
focus
on
housing
is
so
that
we
can
aggressively
go
out
and
find
these
strategic
opportunities
that
we
can
go
and
make
contracts,
Place
contracts
on
properties
for
acquisition,
and
that's
also
like,
if
we
aggressively
start
to
buy
property
for
acquisition.
One
of
the
things
that
we're
trying
to
bring
to
you
is
the
development
of
our
community
Land
Trust.
X
When-
and
this
is
how
you
start
to
talk
about
housing
and
perpetuity
being
affordable
to
the
residents
of
Tampa-
is
securing
that
affordability
piece
by
purchasing
these
properties,
putting
them
in
a
community
land
trust
that
way
that
it's
protected,
the
affordability
is
protected
long
term.
So
all
of
that
these
are
all
things
that
you
are
working
on
and
you've
heard
them
multiple
times,
but
we're
aggressively
trying
to
so.
E
X
Saying
yeah,
you're
you're
hearing
me
say
that
we're
adding
staff
to
the
team
to
be
able
to
work
on
all
these
different
approaches,
not
just
in
real
estate
from
strategic
Acquisitions,
but
sometimes
there's
Partnerships
on
how
you
structure
real
estate
deals.
So
it's
a
different
skill
type
than
just
transactional
real
estate.
Well,.
E
H
H
J
H
So
people
can
come
with
with
ID,
with
more
ideas
in
their
heads
and
and
use
that
team
they
they
expressed
yesterday
how
much
they
really
want
to
to
help
with
all
the
expertise
they
have
and
I
know.
I
know
they
will
come
up
with
great
great
ideas,
and
we
appreciate
all
the
work
that
you
all
do
to
put
into
that
committee.
So
thank
you.
G
On
the
on
the
idea
of
the
community
land
trust
and
buying
more
land,
is
there
a
market
timing
issue
just
based
on
watching
Zillow?
My
house
and
ones
around
me
have
gone
down
10
or
15
last
year
after
going
up
double
but
I,
think
most
people
were
expecting
a
recession
next
year
and
that
the
land
price
are
going.
G
X
Yeah,
that's
a
good,
a
good
Point,
councilman
Carlson.
So
the
idea
right
now
is
to
stand
up
the
CLT
so
that
you
have
the
board
and
the
infrastructure
there
to
take
place.
You
also
have
larger
pieces
of
property
right
now
that
we're
working
on
with
developers
and
there's
a
possibility
of
developing
those
properties
with
it
being
in
the
land
trust
our
our
strategic
acquisition
of
buying
up
properties
I.
X
Ideally,
yes,
we
would
wait
for
the
market
to
come
down
and
only
do
strategic
Acquisitions
if
somebody
was
trying
to
unload
property-
and
we
wanted
to
seize
that
opportunity.
Yes,
but
as
far
as
single
Parcels,
we
probably
would
wait
Bank
the
cash
and
wait
just
for
strategic
opportunities,
but
right
now,
what's
critical
and
that
will
be
before
you
in
the
next
couple
months
is
really
standing
up
the
CLT
to
make
sure
that
the
infrastructure
is
there,
so
that
when
we
do
have
the
opportunities
you
can
start
putting
the
things
in
the
CLT.
X
The
other
thing
with
the
CLT
is
that
you
don't
have
to
have
just
ownership.
There
could
be
rental
clts.
There
could
also
be
commercial
uses
in
the
CLT
as
well,
and
so
we
were
just
recently
in
New,
York,
doing
a
deep,
a
deep
dive
in
all
of
the
housing
options
to
help
us
in
what
we
can
do
to
make
the
CLT
sustainable
long-term
for
long-term
housing.
Affordability
is
what
we're
focusing
on
in
the
next
couple
months,
and
so
you
should
see
that
soon,
Mr
drumbo
should
be
bringing
that
back
to
you
soon.
Y
All
right
afternoon,
Council
Carl
Brody
from
the
legal
department.
The
reason
here
is
to
just
address
the
memo
that
I
provided
you.
There
was
request
by
Council
that
legal
department
consider
drafting
up
an
ordinance
that
would
prohibit
parking
holding
events
and
storing
items
on
Cemetery
property.
Y
That's
the
concern
the
primary
concern
raised
here.
We
can
work
through
some
of
the
issues
with
the
specifics
of
how
you
would
create
a
parking
ordinance
that
limits
parking,
how
you
would
limit
storing
of
items,
because
some
of
these
are
common
aspects
of
cemeteries.
There
is
parking
cemeteries,
there
are
items
that
are
stored
on
cemeteries
and
there
are
events
that
are
held
at
cemeteries,
so
we'd
have
to
work
through
some
of
that
also.
Y
But
the
primary
concern
is,
we
don't
want
to
put
ourselves
in
a
position
of
being
liable
for
actually
subjecting
the
city
to
liability
for
the
takings
in
a
scenario
where
we're
limiting
the
use
of
property
by
a
private
property
owner
and
of
course,
cemetery
is
our
private
property.
Well,
the
way
the
ordinance
was
requested
to
be
drafted
would
include
all
cemeteries,
so
it
would
include
both
public
cemeteries,
which
we
can
regulate
because
they're
public
cemeteries
and
it
would
include
private
cemeteries,
which
subjects
us
to
the
concern
that
was
raised
in
the
memo.
Y
Let
me
just
one
one
last
thing:
you
know
this
is
a
concern
and
it's
a
concern.
That's
that's
really.
Nationwide
cities
locally
and
around
the
country
have
done
studies
and
they
found
that
we
do
have
a
problem
just
Nationwide,
with
African-American
cemeteries,
being
lost
or
abandoned,
and
then
subsequently
sold
and
private
property
owners
taking
ownership
of
that
and
then
doing
what
they
would
with
that
property,
be
it
building
a
Corporate
Center,
be
it
building
a
school,
be
it
building
another
cemetery
on
top
of
the
the
law
Cemetery.
Y
So
it's
a
it's
an
issue
that
is
known.
It's
an
issues
it's
trying
to
be
addressed
and
the
best
route
We
Believe
toward
addressing
it
here
in
the
city
is,
is
not
through
an
ordinance.
It's
through
take
another
action,
and-
and
we
can
talk
about
that
after
I-
hear
a
little
more
from
you
in
your
concerns.
G
Is
it
I
have
two
questions,
one
is
it?
Is
it
possible
just
to
regulate,
not
parking?
On
top
of
known
grapes
versus
a
cemetery.
Y
It
brings
up
a
good
question,
and
the
issue
is
that
for
some
of
these
well
for
our
specific
issue
here,
we're
talking
about
African-American
cemeteries
that
have
been
lost,
they've
been
sold
away,
sold
away
to
a
private
property
owner
so
that
private
property
owner
receives
that
bundle
of
Rights
once
they
on
the
property
which
includes
being
able
to
if
they
want
to
build
a
parking
lot
on
top
of
the
law.
Cemetery
similarly,
would
be
no
different
than
if
a
private
property
owner
a
built,
a
skyscraper
on
top
of
some.
J
Y
G
So
what
about
what
about,
if
we,
if
we
build
it
into
land
use?
So
if
may
we,
maybe
we
can
find
a
solution
retroactively,
but
we've
seen
examples
where
these
this
city
gets
stuck
with
these
things.
Eventually,
when
they're,
when
they're
sold
out.
G
If
somebody
came
to
us
today
and
wanted
to
build
a
a
a
a
cemetery
at
some
point
in
the
future,
they
would
sell
out
and
they
might
not
have
a
revenue
stream
and
then
they
would
dump
it
on
the
city
and
the
city
would
be
maybe
liable
to
keep
it
up
and
so
no
understanding
that
the
the
the
the
kind
of
business
of
of
cemeteries
and
that
they're
necessary.
But
they
may
also
revert
to
the
city
at
some
point.
G
Isn't
there
a
way
that
we
could
put
put
something
into
the
land
use
code
to
say
if
you
want
to
go
to
a
cemetery
category
that
you
have
to
agree
at
that
time,
that
you
wouldn't
that
that
the
entitlement
of
the
land
going
forward,
if
they
opt
in,
would
not
allow.
So
this
is
not
going
taking
away
anybody's
rights,
they
would
have
to
opt
into
it,
but
it
would
say
in
the
in
the
entitlement
that
they
couldn't
Park
on
Cemetery.
E
G
M
Becomes
because
the
state
regulates
current
cemeteries
to
persuade
pervasively
in
the
497,
there
could
be
preemption
issues
with
us
trying
to
regulate
cemeteries.
Similarly,
we'd
have
to
look
at
that.
There
may
be
some
opportunity,
but
we'd
have
to
be
careful
how
we
did
that
and
that
that
would
be
the
one
thing.
I
think
what
what
Carl's
trying
to
address
is
the
Forgotten
or
abandoned
cemeteries
which
have
been
reused
and
are
now
being
discovered
at
this
point
in
time,
which
is
a
different
matter
altogether
so
and.
Y
That
is
a
good
transition
to
one
of
the
one
of
the
issues
I
wanted
to
address
and
I
think
this.
The
state
might
be
attempting.
E
Much
we're
talking
two
different
issues
here:
we're
talking
private
property
owner
versus
state
law
that
regulates
cemeteries.
There
are
two
distinct
things
and
there
are
rules
and
regulations
that
deal
strictly
with
cemeteries.
So,
yes,
you
have
property
rights
when
you're
talking
about
maybe
property.
But
when
you
talk
about
a
cemetery
there
are
laws
and
rules
and
regulations
that
regulate
no
matter.
E
If
it's
a
private
Cemetery
or
a
public
Cemetery
There
are
rules
and
regulations
that
stipulate
certain
things
for
Cemetery
grounds
and
all
I'm,
seeing
and
I
was
asking
for
was
that
when
I
look
at
30th
and
Sly
Avenue
and
I
have
construction
equipment
on
those
type
of
properties.
That's
an
issue
I,
don't
know
if
that
probably
is
private
property
or
city.
But
there
is
a
city
sign
that
says
you
know
a
cemetery
or
whatever
on
that
on
that
property.
So
I
think
what
the
concern
is.
E
The
community
is
not
to
take
away
anybody's
property
or
cause
harm,
but
to
have
a
conversation
in
reference
to
because
I
know,
because
I
go
in
on
Saturday
week
with
my
family
in
drive
on
roads
that
are
built
inside
of
cemeteries.
Now,
when
you
drive
inside
a
cemetery,
most
cars
line
up
on
that
road
folks
get
out,
it's
very
rarely
that
folks
will
park
their
cars
actually
on
anybody's
grave
or
anything
like
that.
E
So
I
think
the
question
has
become
to
make
sure
that
parking
isn't
on
any
grades,
not
necessarily
that
you
know
having
events
in
a
cemetery.
People
have
have
birthdays
and
come
in
there
and
have
events
in
cemeteries.
That
is
a
normal
activity.
Someone
passes
away.
We
want
to
go,
have
balloons,
but
whatever,
whatever
some
cemeteries,
don't
allow
you
to
pray
certain
things
inside
of
the
cemetery,
every
cleaner
measures
and
what
have
you
but
no
one's
talking
about
not
being
able
to
be
in
a
cemetery
to
do
certain
activities.
E
The
issue
is
being
in
a
cemetery
and
making
sure
that
people
aren't
part
on
a
grade.
That's
what
I
think
the
premise
of
this
whole
thing
is
about
not
about
anybody's
personal
property
rights
or
what
have
you,
but
there
are
Cemetery
rules,
so
I
need
to
ask:
have
we
looked
at
the
cemetery
rules
versus
just
private
property?
That's
my
concern.
We.
J
S
Yeah
good
afternoon,
Council,
29a,
hargrit
I'm
also
with
the
city
attorney's
office,
I,
want
to
just
point
out
some
of
the
reasons
why
this
conversation
is
so
complex.
I
have
been
attending
all
of
the
meetings
related
to
Zion
and
I
am
on
the
city's
Cemetery
task
force,
so
I
know
just
enough
to
be
dangerous.
There
are
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
things
here
that
interact
with
each
other
a
course
under
Florida
statute.
There's
chapter
497,
then
that
deals
with
the
the
regulation
of
cemeteries.
We've
also
got
another
statute.
S
Which
is
that
you
will
drive
along
the
easement
so
as
not
to
drive
on
top
of
the
interred
remain,
but
that
same
issue
is
is
confused
or
it
can
be
conflated
with
the
fact
that
we
have
known
abandoned
so
there's
different
categories,
cemeteries
that
are
known
that
are
being
regulated
by
the
state.
There
are
known
abandoned
and
they
are
unknown
or
suspected
abandoned.
S
Many
of
you
might
have
heard
in
the
paper
about
the
possibility
that
there
are
some
homes
that
are
in
East
Tampa
that
may
have
for
60
or
65
years
been
built
on
top
of
Graves,
and
that
is
unfortunate.
But
there
are
there's
housing,
Plumbing
utilities
that
are
on
those
properties
and
those
individuals
are
parking
on
their
property.
The
fact
that
they
are
parking
on
their
property,
any
type
of
Regulation
that
we
would
install
for
the
city
or
initiate
by
the
city,
would
also
affect
those
individuals.
S
So
that's
why
we're
trying
to
separate
those
different
issues
and
and
and
come
to
you
with
a
way
that
we
can
achieve
what
you
want,
but
at
this
moment
the
way
that
the
emotion
was
phrased.
It
simply
would
result
in
a
taking
and
that's
something
that
the
City
wouldn't
want
to
necessarily
just
jump
into.
So.
E
What
I
would
suggest
and
I
and
I
hear
all
your
points
and
they're
very
well
taken
and
you're
right,
I'm
glad
someone
knows
about
chapter
497,
because
there
are
different
laws
and
rules
and
there
are
regulations.
So
what
I
will
say?
I
I
think
there's
a
conversation
and
when
you
have
these
issues
have
a
conversation
with
these
folks,
and
now
we
can
talk
about.
Is
there
an
easement
that
can
be
put
in
some
of
these
places?
If
there's
an
issue
about
top
of
race?
E
Well,
you
don't
know
because
you
don't
go
just
tear
up
the
cemeteries.
I'm
gonna
be
honest
with
you,
because
you
know
you
don't
want.
Yes,
those
are
sacred
places
and
I.
Think
some
of
the
people,
the
citizens
who
are
talking
about
these
type
of
things,
feel
some
type
of
way,
but
I
think
we
need
to
have
and
I
thought
Mr
Miss
win
had
a
task
force
or
somebody
in
the
city,
so
I
would
suggest.
E
E
But
I
do
think
that
we
gotta
especially
look
at
the
30th
and
slide
that
bothers
me
all
the
time
when
you
have
all
that
stuff
and
I.
Don't
know
if
that,
if
some
of
the
cemetery
someone
was
a
priest
of
property,
I,
don't
know,
but
people
have
complained
about
that
for
years,
so
I
really
don't
know,
and
then
you've
got
the
College
Hill
thing
that
has
arisen
again
recently
this
week
in
a
couple
of
weeks.
E
I
think
maybe
the
task
force
needs
to
reach
out
to
those
individuals
that
are
that
are
complaining
or
want
making
complaints
and
also
to
the
property
owners.
They
have
a
conversation
to
work
this
out
and
make
sure
that
everything's
on
the
up
and
up
and
that
way
everybody
can.
You
know
really
honor
the
dead
who's
there
in
those
cemeteries,
councilman.
S
Goods,
it's
my
promise
to
you
that
we
will
place
that
on
our
next
agenda.
It
will
be
discussed
on
our
next
agenda.
That's
all
I
can
ask
30th.
E
And
slide
you've
got
it
and
again
and
again,
you
know
I
know
the
College
Hill
thing
is
coming
up
with
kids
come
up
again
in
the
paper.
The
newsbeat
has
been
out
there
and
also
meet
with
those
folks
to
see
what's
going
on
in
The,
Italian
Club
folks,
because
you
know
they
have
issues
and
we
don't.
We
don't
want
a
infighting
of
community
saying
we
want
to
be
able
to
work
together
as
a
community
and
nobody
The
Italian
Club
anybody.
They
don't
want
anybody
parking
anybody's
grave
either
that
you
know
it
was
a
nice
people.
E
F
Vieira,
thank
you
very
much
Mr
chair
and
thank
you
Mr
Brody,
for
all
your
work
on
this.
You
know,
councilman
gootz
touched
on
I'm
glad
he
did
the
College
Hill
Cemetery
issue,
I
I,
I
I
think
it'd
be
smart.
F
If,
if
you
would
be
willing,
sir,
to
maybe
make
a
motion
to
have
it
come
back
to
us
in
four
or
five
months,
yeah
and-
and
you
know
one
thing
to
there's
a
number
of
issues
there-
some
allegations
have
been
made,
etc,
etc,
and,
and
it
should
just
good
to
get
the
whole
picture
using
the
city,
Talent
resources,
Etc,
something
was
posed,
I
I
think
it
was
in
the
in
the
media
on
whether
or
not
if
there
was
going
to
be
I.
Think
a
scan
was
done
20
years
ago.
F
I
don't
want
to
misspeak
if
I'm,
if
I'm
incorrect,
I'm
I
apologize
for
that,
but
I
believe
there
was
a
scan
done
about
20
years
ago
or
so,
whether
or
not
there
should
be
an
updated
scan
with
a
you
know,
updated
technology,
ETC
number
one
I
mean
my
position
has
always
been.
F
If
the
city
If
It
ultimately
comes
down,
it
would
be
something
that
would
be
in
this
in
the
public
interest
where
the
city
can
devote
reasonable
dollars
to
that,
and
there
may
be
people
who
would
do
it
for
free
by
the
way
I
mean
because
it
is
in
the
public
interest
and
and
and
whatnot
so
I
do
think
that
should
come
back
to
us
and
and
what
not,
including
the
the
feasibility
of
if,
if
it
comes
up
in
dialogue,
I
know
that
Miss
Angela
Alderman
has
has
been
out
there
beating
that
drum,
and
she
got
the
historical
marker
up
there
and
I
salute
her
for
that
she's,
a
a
very
good
woman
and
whatnot
and,
like
councilman
Goods
said
all
the
players
at
the
table
are
very
decent
people
and
it's
just
a
matter
of
of
just
making
sure
and
that's
all,
because
people
bring
up
some
some
good
issues.
F
That
I
certainly
think
we
ought
to
look
at.
So
if
you
make
that
motion
sir
I'd
be
delighted
to
to
Second
it
and
and
support
it.
E
E
What
time
do
you
you
and
your
folks
need
how
many,
how
many
months
you
need
I,
don't
think
it.
S
Z
E
There's
a
motion
come
back
four
or
five
by
four
months:
April
20th
making
sure
we've
had
a
discussion
with
all
parties
as
it
relates
to
College,
Hill
and
The
Italian
Club.
If
anything
we
can
assist
with.
Let's
do
that
we
can,
with
all
parties
and
update
and
also
update
on
the
30th
Street
and
slot.
B
B
E
E
E
Discussions
with
College
club
and
those
and
those
those
individuals
who've
come
out
in
reference
to
it,
make
if
I
make
sure.
F
And
and
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
motion
included,
because
I
believe
you
made
reference
to
this,
sir
and
I
don't
want
to
misspeak
the
if
there
is
a
need
that
is
founded
again,
I,
don't
know
the
technology,
the
mythology
Etc
for
an
updated
scan,
whether
somebody
would
do
it
for
free
again.
If
it
is
private
property,
we
can't
compel
ourselves
on
there
Etc,
but
if
either
somebody
would
do
it
for
free
or
feasibility
with
public
dollars,
whatever
it
may
be,
is.
E
E
L
J
L
A
long
long
time,
family
friend
he
passed
away
in
February
of
2020,
so
I
can't
ask
him
any
more
questions,
but
when
I
went
to
see
him,
he
specifically
brought
up
the
cemetery.
I
was
going
to
see
him
just
as
a
friend,
but
you
know
this
is
a
story.
That's
been
brewing
for
a
long
time,
but
he
had
assured
me
that
they
had
done
ground
penetration
and
I.
Think
the
Italian
Club
may
have
found
the
documents.
Since
the
stories
come
out,
they've
looked
for
them.
J
L
That
there
were
no
Graves
there
when
they
built
that
Mausoleum,
which
is
right
there.
The
way
he
would
design
is
the
foundation,
the
steel
everything
he
would
go
deep
into
the
ground,
so
they
would
have
found
something.
L
He
said
they
did
not
find
anything
that
may
be
true
and
and
I
believe
him
I,
don't
know
if
those
grades
were
relocated
and
and
where
were
they
relocated
to
because
right
next
to
the
cemeteries,
are
retention
pond
and
then
next
to
this
empty
parking
lot
is
the
Armwood
family,
they're
Grays,
but
the
Armwood
family?
L
Is
there
blancharm
wood,
the
namesake
of
the
school,
so
I,
don't
know,
I
mean
I,
believe
the
gentleman,
because
he
was
very
instrumental
in
in
restoring
that
cemetery
and
all
the
work
that
he
did
over
the
last
few
decades.
But
he
assured
me
and
I
think
it
does
it
in
the
story
with
the
times
that
ground
penetrating
radar,
whatever
the
the
proper
nomenclature,
is
that
no
Graves
were
there.
L
So
we'll
see
I
look
forward
to
the
report.
This
is
what
I
heard
firsthand
from
the
the
gentleman
there
that
was
very
instrumental
in
it
again
he's
passed
away.
So
I
can
only
tell
you
what
I
what
I
recall,
but
he
assured
me
that
there
were
no
Graves.
However,
I
will
look
forward
to
the
report
and
we'll
do
what
we
can
from
there.
Thank
you.
A
AB
AC
Ursula
Richardson
with
the
assistant
assistant,
City
attorney
Ursula
Richardson
with
the
city
attorney's
office.
This
item
is
bringing
back
an
ordinance
for
you
that
you
all
asked
for
back
on
I
believe
it
was
November
3rd,
essentially
the
language
that
has
been
included
in
the
ordinance.
That's
before
you
believe,
meets
all
of
the
objectives
that
you
were
asking
for.
You
wanted
a
specific
limited
delegation
of
authority
to
the
city,
attorney's
office
and
or
the
risk
manager's
office.
In
order
to
resolve
claims
and
lawsuits.
AC
You
wanted
to
supersede
a
memorandum
by
former
City
attorney,
Salvatore
Torito,
that
is
included
in
this
ordinance.
You
wanted
a
correction
for
the
language
that
was
left
out
of
the
2006
ordinance
that
never
made
it
to
municode.
That
was
brought
up
and
discussed,
and
so
there
is
specific
language
saying
that
was
included.
It
never
made
it,
but
it
would
be
struck
from
this
current
ordinance
and
then
review.
AC
We've
included
a
limit
on
that
limited
Authority
for
the
city
attorney's
office
to
settle
anything,
that's
not
greater
than
one
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
then
a
limited
Authority
for
the
risk
management
office
to
also
settle
claims
and
lawsuits
not
more
than
thirty
thousand
dollars
and
essentially
essentially,
unless
you
all
have
any
questions
for
me,
this
is
our
presentation
of
what
we
have
for
you
and
we
believe
it
meets
all
of
the
objectives
of
your
motion.
Councilman.
G
H
And
I
also
want
to
Echo
that
it
was
exactly
what
we
asked
for
when
we,
when
I,
when
I,
read
the
resolution
or
or
the
ordinance
rather
so.
Thank
you
very
much.
We
really
appreciate
it.
A
AA
G
Like
to
move
item
number
22
file,
number
e2022-8,
ch2
ordinance
being
presented
for
first
ring
consideration:
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Tampa
Florida,
amending
section
2-233
of
the
city
of
Tampa
code
to
revise
the
authority
of
the
City
attorney
and
or
their
designee,
and
their
risk
manager
and
or
their
designee
to
dispose
of
claims
and
lawsuits
against
the
city
providing
for
cerebral,
Billy,
repealing
all
ordinances
or
other
documents
in
Conflict.
Here
with
providing
an
effective
date.
A
K
G
A
K
F
A
E
A
A
A
D
G
I'd
like
to
file
form
8B,
my
firm
may
have
a
client
related
to
this
item
and
I
haven't
been
able
to
get
an
official
opinion,
but
an
abundance
of
caution.
I'm
going
to
recuse
myself.
F
A
A
Councilman
Maniscalco
I'm.
Sorry,
yes
got
some
mascaka
I.
L
In
favor,
thank
you
can
we
have
we'll
grow
up
in
the
public
hearing.
AD
Good
afternoon
Mr,
chair
and
Council
McLean
Evans
assistant,
City
attorney
item
number
71
is
the
second
public
hearing
on
a
Brownfield
designation
for
Coral
walk
located
at
1000
West
fig
Street.
An
application
has
been
submitted
to
the
city
of
Tampa,
requesting
a
designation
of
this
property
as
a
Brownfield
site
to
assist
with
the
assessment
and
Remediation
of
environmental
impacts
that
may
exist
on
the
property.
AD
Details
of
the
designation
have
been
outlined
in
a
document
entitled
staff
report
on
Coral
walk,
Brownfield
designation,
which
is
available
for
public
review
at
the
clerk's
office.
City
staff
has
determined
that
all
statutory
and
public
notice
requirements
have
been
met
and
recommend.
Council
approve
this
designation
at
the
conclusion
of
this
second
public
hearing.
Council
will
have
an
opportunity
to
pass
a
resolution
designated
in
Coral
walk
as
a
Brownfield
area
as
specified
under
chapter
376,
voted
statutes.
Staff
and
I
are
available.
If
you
have
any
questions.
A
A
A
R
B
Mr
chairman,
if
I
maybe
heard
Martin
Shelby
city
council
attorney,
turns
out
that
site
plans
hard
copy
site
plans
relating
to
this
item.
Ab2-22-19
would
deliver
to
city
council's
offices
on
putting
them
on
the
Deus
if
anybody
needs
them
for
Access.
Thank
you.
A
Z
Z
You
I'm
chairman
citro
and
council
members,
lashon
development
coordination
and
item
72
is
ab2
2219.
This
is
for
the
property
located
at
450
Channelside
Drive.
This
item
is
before
you
today
for
second
reading
and
adoption.
This
is
a
special
use,
two
alcoholic
beverage
sales
request
for
a
large
venue
consumption
on
premise.
Only
so
there
were
modifications
required
to
be
made
to
the
site
plan.
The
applicant
has
made
those
modifications.
The
site
plan
has
been
certified
by
the
zoning
administrator
and
provided
to
and
I'm
available.
If
you
have
any
questions.
P
H
I
just
wanted
to
say
State
for
the
record
that
I
have
reviewed
all
of
the
information
on
this
meeting
and
I'm
prepared
to
vote
since
I
was
absent.
Thank.
A
A
D
Thank
you
for
chairman
file.
Number
ab2
22-19
order
is
being
presented
for
second
reading
adoption
orders
of
approving
a
special
use,
permit
su-2
or
alcohol
beverage
sales
lost
venue,
consumption
on
premise
only
and
making
law
for
the
sale
beverages,
regardless
of
alcohol
content,
beer,
wine
and
liquor
at
or
from
that
certain
lot
plot
or
track
of
land
located
at
450,
Channelside
Drive,
it's
more
particularly
described
in
section
three,
providing
for
all
that
all
ordinance
or
parts
are
ordinance
and
conflict
of
repeal
repeating
ordinance,
number
2014-91
preventing
an
effective
date.
Second,.
L
A
AE
Los
Angeles
development
coordination
presenting
phone
number
vac
22-14.
This
is
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
Adoption
of
the
proposed
vacating
request
to
vacate
an
alley
lying
north
of
Stroud
Avenue,
south
of
Chicago
Avenue
East
of
Carolina,
Avenue
and
west
of
Moody
Avenue
I'm
available.
If
you
have
any
questions
any.
AF
Good
afternoon
Council
Steve
mccolini,
representing
the
petitioner,
this
issue
has
been
fully
vetted.
I
know
we
spent
a
great
deal
of
time
on
this
before
the
city
has
found
that
there's
no
public
purpose
for
this
particular
alley.
The
previous
properties
were
split
on
the
North
side,
which
eliminated
their
use
and
any
rights
to
use
the
alley.
So
the
only
people
that
have
the
rights
for
Access
are
on
Stroud.
We
prepared
a
separate
private
title
policy.
AF
AF
AF
H
I'll,
just
also
just
wanted
to
say
again
that
I
was
not
here
for
the
first
vote,
but
I
have
I
reviewed
this
and
I'm
ready.
A
B
AF
I.
Have
one
question
chairman
I
think
that?
Because
it
was
a
four
vote,
that
councilman
Maniscalco
may
need
to
return
to
Chambers.
B
B
AG
Can
you
see
that?
Yes,
yes,
ma'am?
Oh
okay,
are
you
ready?
My
name
is
Kim
Price
I'm
at
2410,
West,
Chicago,
Avenue,
there's
a
number
of
irrelevant,
as
well
as
false
facts
that
have
been
presented.
It's
frustrating
to
hear
this
and
not
be
able
to
question
for
clarity,
but
the
continuance
that
was
requested
was
supposed
to
bring
testimony
from
city
employees
about
what's
been
done.
AG
We
came
to
the
city
asking
for
help
and
guidance
at
access,
our
property
almost
two
years
ago,
and
the
staff
conducted
a
meeting
a
year
ago,
August
at
which
time
the
petitioner
purchased
the
property
with
the
intent
to
vacate
the
alley,
which
is
information.
The
city
knew
but
did
not
share.
And,
coincidentally
all
communication
with
me
at
that
time
ceased,
and
it
wasn't
until
the
last
hearing
that
Keith
O'connor
admitted
at
that
time
that
he
knew
that
this
was
in
the
works
and
then
decided
to
wait
it
out
figuring.
The
problem
would
go
away.
AG
I
think
the
petitioner
has
confused
the
Chicago
Stroud
alley
with
the
Chicago
Mississippi
alley
which
you
can
see
on
here.
This
is
the
Mississippi
alley.
Where
CB
Shaw
ends.
I
came
I,
went
down
to
Lucky
Wade.
He
gave
me
this
this
survey.
This
is
where
CB
Shaw
ends.
Cb
Shaw
has
nothing
to
do
with
ours.
We
never
gave
up
our
rights,
we
have
not
abandoned
it.
We
were
not
stripped
of
it
and
this
is
where
it
ends.
This
is
our
alley.
AG
There's
a
12-foot
entrance,
there's
a
15-foot
exit,
there's
entry
and
there's
egress,
so
Mr
miccolini
talked
to
this
title
company.
He
said
it
again:
I
don't
see
proof
of
it.
There's
no
evidence
of
it.
It's
not
in
your
in
your
box
anywhere
that
we
have
given
up
and
are
stripped
of
our
rights
on
it.
Historically,
when
a
vacated
alley
is
divided,
half
of
each
neighbor
gets
this.
This
cannot
happen
until
the
city
makes
good
on
its
notices
to
me
last
July,
when
it
said
they
would
be
sending
out
notices
for
all
of
the
encroachments.
AG
The
structures
need
to
be
removed
so
that,
if,
in
fact,
this
vacation
does
occur,
we're
at
least
able
to
get
our
six
feet,
but
first
you
have
to
say
no,
because
with
the
vacated
alley,
that's
not
going
to
happen
so
there's
20
departments
that
don't
care,
but
there
are
12
families
that
do
care.
So
your
criteria
for
vacating
the
alley
is
fourfold.
You
think
that
they
met
all
of
it.
They
meet
none
of
it.
We
meet
all
of
it.
AG
There's
no
public
money
or
taxes,
maintaining
it
there's,
not
a
high
crime
area,
so
criminal
activity
being
curtailed
is
not
a
problem.
The
developer
is
not
trying
to
Foster
Redevelopment
he's
trying
to
make
a
million
dollars
and
our
abutting
properties
will
be
completely
cut
off.
In
conclusion,
the
city
admitted
they
don't
have
the
resources
to
prioritize
caring
for
the
alley.
We
didn't
ask
you
to
care
for
the
alley
only
to
use
your
survey
to
enforce
the
violations
we're
not
asking
to
park
back
there.
AG
A
AE
E
What
what
the
flat,
what
she's
submitted
to
us?
That's,
why
I
want
to
talk
about
that
I
mean.
AE
This
is
this:
is
the
original
CB
shop
light
she
mentioned
and
within
the
survey
that
let
Mr
Lucky
weight
survey
created
so
the
I.
E
AE
AE
AE
of
what
two
so
one
through
eight
of
block
two
and
the
west
25
feet
of
lot
14
here
and
this
is
and
I
can
show
the
replay.
AE
AE
When
I,
when
I
we're
not
here
to
talk
about
we're,
not
here
to
talk
about
the
Mississippi
out,
Mississippi
Alleyway
or
the
the
street
into
the
North
we're
talking
about
the
alley
to
the
South
here,
this
is
this
is
a
replay.
This
is
Chicago
Avenue
sub,
we're
talking
about
the
alley
to
the
South
and
I.
Can
I
can
show
you
again
the
lucky
Wade's
survey
of
what
he
created.
AE
So
this
this
section
here
is
the
South
half
of
that
subdivision,
the
Chicago
Avenue
subdivision.
This
is
Chicago
Avenue
here
again
to
the
South
of
Chicago
Avenue,
subdivision
Platte.
This
is
this
North
section
of
this
alley.
That's
proposed
to
be
vacated
is
the
South
Boundary
of
the
Chicago
Avenue
subdivision
here.
AE
AE
H
C
H
H
H
AG
For
me,
yes,
so
the
north
side
of
that
alley
that
he
was
talking
about
north
side
that
was
vacated
and
they
did
give
up
those
rights.
It
was
a
it's
a
horrible
situation
and
certainly
nothing
to
do
with
this,
but
it
is
definitely
was
given
up.
They.
They
lost
those
rights.
The
developer
gave
it
up.
It
went
to
the
commercial
property
to
the
north
of
us.
AG
We
fought
that
last
year
at
at
the
convention
center,
but
to
no
avail,
but
they
have
no
rights
and
they
have
no
alley
back
there,
which
is
what
CB
Shaw
did
at
that
section,
and
it
ended
here.
Okay,
this
has
nothing
to
do
with
CB
shop
on
this
bottom.
We
are
100
within
our
rights
to
either
take
our
six
feet
or
try
to
we'll
take
the
whole
alley.
AG
We
don't
care,
we'll
take
care
of
it,
but
we
can't,
regardless
of
whether
or
not
there
are
there,
are
dimensions
on
here
that
show
you
where
the
structures
are.
The
reason
it's
impassable
is
because
there
are
encroachments
the
reason
they
can't
get
through.
It
is
because
people
have
built
on
on
it.
Two
years
I've
been
asking
them
to
cite
it
I've
been
asking
them
to
get
rid
of
it.
AG
Nothing,
nothing
and
I'm
told
at
the
last
meeting
from
Kevin
O'connor
that
it's
because
well
we
knew
a
vacation
was
coming,
so
we
figured
we'd
just
let
it
go
and
see
what
happened,
which
apparently
is
pretty
normal,
but
right
now
everything
in
there
is
encroached,
so
they're
saying
keep
it,
but
that
is
the
only
thing
for
that
CB
shot
and
they
did
get
rid
of
it.
They
did
lose
their
their
rights
to
it.
We
did
not
and
we
have
not
given
them
up
and
I
have
seen
no
evidence
of
it.
AG
AH
Important
Ace
2420
West
Chicago
Avenue
good
afternoon
I
submitted
documents
for
your
review
of
my
testimony
regarding
prior
comments.
I
appreciate
you
evaluating
those
in
your
decision.
However,
there
are
four
criteria
that
the
city
has
outlined
for
you
to
consider
one:
will
the
vacating
alleviate
a
public
nuisance
or
curtail
criminal
activity?
The
answer
is
no.
This
is
not
a
zip
code
with
high
crime
stats,
the
consideration
of
crime
rate
and
public
nuisance
has
no
substantial
impact.
AH
Number
two:
will
the
vacating
Foster
Redevelopment,
no
John,
Lum
of
Tampa
Bay
developers
does
not
have
plans
to
solve
the
housing
crisis
or
dramatically
improve
the
community
John
Lum
of
Tampa
Bay
Tampa
Bay
developers
purchased
this
home
on
Stroud
in
September
of
2021,
which
is
six
months
after
our
initial
complaint
with
the
city.
He
is
planning
to
build
a
couple:
Town
Homes
to
convert
his
half
million
dollar
investment
into
one
to
two
million,
which
generates
Financial
wealth
for
this
one
individual
has
he
submitted
a
copy
of
these
plans
and
do
you
believe
that
Fosters
Redevelopment?
AH
Do
you
believe
that
the
spirit
of
this
law
and
the
definition
of
Redevelopment
is
for
one
individual
to
make
millions,
despite
the
detriment,
expense
and
hardship
on
the
21
families
that
live
in
this
neighborhood
number
three,
and
will
an
abutting
Property
Owners
access
to
their
property
be
completely
cut
off
or
diminished?
Yes,
Chicago
Avenue
owners,
rear
access
will
be
permanently
removed.
If
you
vacate
the
Sally,
it
violates
our
property
rights
and
forces
a
civil
suit.
AH
We
are
entitled
to
at
least
six
foot
of
use,
regardless
of
how
wide
or
the
method
and
it's
not
accessible
to
us
now,
number
four:
will
the
vacating
alleviator
relieve
the
public
from
the
cost
of
maintaining
it?
No,
there
is
no
public
relief
from
the
cost
of
maintaining
this
right-of-way.
As
previously
acknowledged
taxpaying
citizens
did
not
contribute
to
any
maintenance
of
the
alley.
There's
no
evidence
of
that
provided
through
testimony
or
a
budget
or
invoices
of
any
sort.
AH
We
approached
the
city
in
February
of
2021
to
solve
for
our
property
access
issue,
since
we
couldn't
Force
the
abutting
residents
to
follow
city
code.
This
petition
was
filed
in
March
of
2022,
which
was
over
six
months
and
a
year
later,
after
six
months
of
the
purchase
and
a
year
later,
if
we
knew
the
path
to
solve
for
our
access
prior
to
this
petition,
we
would
have
gladly
petitioned
to
care
for
the
alley.
AH
Our
challenge
was
the
encroachments
and,
with
all
due
respect,
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
isn't,
is
it
not
the
role
of
Code
Enforcement
to
enforce
compliance,
or
is
it
the
job
of
the
tax
paying
citizens?
We
would
and
will
gladly
care
for
the
six
foot,
but
we
felt
neighborhood
was
responsible
to
enforce
first
and
in
conclusion,
in
the
four
criteria
validates
why
you
should
vote.
No,
we
ask
those
of
you
and
request
code
enforcement
to
perform
their
duties.
The
burden
should
not
be
on
the
21
families
to
enforce
City
rules
and
regulations
and
I.
AH
Don't
think
you
want
to
be
the
first
city
council
to
Grant
an
entire
12-foot
alley
to
the
abutting
residence.
That
is
not
probably
the
Precedence
that
you
want
to
set
as
residents.
We
expect
the
city
to
uphold
their
rules
and
regulations,
which
is
a
reasonable.
You
know,
tpd
doesn't
selectively,
cite
expired
meters
or
ignore
people,
and
why
should
neighborhood
enhancement.
A
E
AA
E
E
Putting
the
cart
before
the
horse
here
and
to
me,
it
seems
like
this
is
more
of
a
civil
issue
right
now
that
should
be
going
before
some
type
of
Judge
a
probate
to
deal
with
those
issues
first,
before
even
coming
this
this
body
here,
just
about
closing
your
alley
for
some
type
of
Zone
hearing,
so
I
I
just
think
that
we're
putting
ourselves
this
counsel
at
a
liability
situation
right
now,
because
this
seems
like
this
would
be
to
be
a
a
community
civil
issue
first,
that
they
determined
about
this
CB
Shaw
situation,
who
owns
the
property
who
the
property
has
been
given
whatever
before
we
even
get
involved
into
my
closing
an
Alleyway
I
used
to
believe
that
maybe
legally
needs
to
look
at
this
again
before
we
even
make
a
vote
on
this
situation.
E
I
believe
we're
putting
the
cart
before
the
horse,
which
relates
to
Mr
michelini
and
his
client
and
the
citizens
who
live
over
there,
because
you've
got
12
citizens
who
say
they
don't
want
it
closed.
They
live
there
and
I
believe
that
we
look
look
at
this
a
little
bit
more
and
don't
put
this
Council
in
this
position
right
now.
AA
Asking
yeah
yeah,
absolutely
yes,
sir!
So
as
far
as
getting
the
cart
before
the
horse,
this
is
like
peeling
away
the
layers
of
an
onion
and
really
the
first
layer.
The
outside
layer
is
the
alleyway,
the
right-of-way
and
that's
what
the
application
is
to
vacate
once
that
Alleyway.
If
it
is
vacated,
then
it
gets
down
to
who
owns
the
property,
whether
it
gets
divided
down
the
middle
or
whether
one
person
owns
it
entirely.
But
you
really
can't
address
that
issue
until
the
vacating
has
been
resolved.
AA
And
I
respect
that
and
I
completely
understand
that,
but
really
we're
not
going
to
be
in
a
position
to
go
before
a
judge.
What
we
would
be
is
in
front
of
a
magistrator
on
a
Code
Enforcement
issue
and
then
once
the
magistrate
learns
about
a
vacating
application,
they're
going
to
hold
that
case
in
abeyance
until
the
vacating
is
resolved,
because
if
it
is
resolved,
then
there
may
or
may
not
be
an
encroachment
into
an
Alleyway
any
longer,
and
so
that's
why
they
would
hold
back
to
wait
for
the
vacating
to
occur.
A
B
If,
if,
if
you
want
to
and
I
suggest
that
what
Mr
wigginton
says
is
true
that
if
it
does
go
forward,
you
cannot
hold
something
in
abeyance
until
something
is
resolved
civilly,
because
that
is
a
whole
process
that
is
outside
the
purview
of
this
Council.
What
you
can
do
is
you
can
act
on
the
petition
which
has
been
filed
and
you
do
base
the
your
decision
on
the
competence
potential
evidence
that
you
find
during
your
hearing,
and
that
is
what
Mr
miccolini
and
his
client
are
here.
H
But
what
I
want
to
know
is
if
they
put
their
issue
for
code
enforcement
in
a
year
and
a
half
before
they
decided
to
ask
for
the
vacation
of
the
alley.
That's
why
these
people
are
excuse,
my
French,
but
pissed,
because
nothing
happened
for
a
year
and
a
half
when
they
asked
for
something
to
happen,
and
now
all
of
a
sudden
they
have
a
vacation.
H
What
happened
is
the
city
didn't
do
their
job
to
actually
deal
with
the
alley
issue
if
they
came
to
you
for
a
year
and
a
half
and
didn't
get
it
solved
and
then
all
of
a
sudden,
we
only
started
to
pay
attention
when
there
was
a
vacation.
That
is
not
okay,
that's
that's
the
part
that
I
understand
that
they're
really
angry
about,
and
they
should
be.
H
We
didn't
deal
with
the
problem
and
if
there
hadn't
been
a
vacation
I
guess
we
still
wouldn't
be
dealing
with
the
problem,
but
we
have
to
deal
with
the
I
mean
just
the
fact
that
luckily
we
had
a
vacation
here
it
just
it
doesn't
smell
right
and
I
mean
that
may
be
the
situation
we're
in
now,
but
I.
Just
don't
see
how
how
we
can
vacate
something
without
having
a
without
having
a
resolution
here.
G
My
my
feelings
are:
the
are
the
same
on
that
that,
just
in
as
it
pertains
to
staff
in
the
order
of
things,
can
we
three
three
quick
questions?
Can
we
confirm
that
the
code
enforcement
complaint
was
made
prior
to
the
filing
of
this.
AA
I'm
sorry
I
don't
represent
the
code
enforcement
Boards
of
my
involvement
with
those
Communications
have
been
very
limited,
I've
Associated
to
come
up
and
maybe
address.
G
And
the
second
thing
from
a
from
a
legal
point
of
view,
wouldn't
if,
if
there's
it
seems
to
me
that,
if
there's
a
filing
for
code
enforcement
that
that
would
be
resolved
first,
why
was
that
suddenly
bumped
and
my
third
question
I'll
go
ahead
and
ask
it
is
that
is
that
the
the
member
of
the
public
testified
that
Mr
O'connor
last
time
said
that
he
knew
that
the
this
vacation
was
coming?
How
did
he
know
the
vacation
was
coming
before
it
was
filed.
G
The
first
question
was:
do
you
know,
can
you
confirm
that
the
the
code
enforcement
filing
predated
the
the
filing
of
this
application.
G
AB
The
reason
why
I
can't
answer
the
code
enforcement
filing
Council
councilman
Carlson,
because
it
was
my
understanding
that
the
code,
because
we
could
not
get
in
to
the
code
to
the
areas
to
assess
any
code
issues
because
of
the
areas
were
not
accessible.
G
AA
AA
G
G
X
Nicole
Travis
administrative
development
and
Economic
Opportunity
generally,
when
you
have
code
code
issues,
you
try
to
get
the
properties
into
compliance.
This
process
is
a
remedy
for
those
encroachments.
This
is
a
rem.
This
process
that
we're
going
through
right
now
the
vacation
would
remedy
that
situation,
and
so
for
all
our
code
violation
cases,
it's
not
to
be
punitive.
We
try
to
get
compliance.
This
is
just
one
of
the
processes.
This
vacating
process
would
bring
the
properties
into
compliance.
Should
the
vacating
move
forward,
so
this
process
would
remedy
the
encroachments
issue.
G
But
it
seems
like
if
that
that
took
president
over
the
other
one,
that
the
the
other
adjoining
Property
Owners
would
have
some
rights
there.
Instead
of.
X
So
we
tried
to
get
the
property.
We
tried
to
remedy
the
situation
before
you
start
taking
a
so
that
there
was
a
case
that
was
opened
when
you
say
that
they're
going
to
remedy
it,
you
go
through
the
vacating
process
that
is
in
Avenue
to
bring
the
properties
into
compliance,
and
so
that's
what
this
application
is
in
trying
to
remedy
the
situation.
E
That
ain't,
my
issue,
my
issue
is
simple:
Mr
Carlson
is,
if
you
recall,
we
had
this,
go
back
the
first
time
because
code
enforcement
was
not
here
but
I'm
not
mistaken.
Then
code
enforcement
came
back
with
the
gentleman
who
was
the
actual
officer
who
was
dealing
with
the
complaint
and
Mr
O'connor
was
here,
and
the
guy
did
not
tell
a
lot.
He
told
us
the
truth
and
he
sit
there.
E
Mr
kind
of
sit
there
above
him
said
that
they
stopped
this
process
because
they
believe,
or
was
told
other
City
departments
that
they
would
wait
to
do
this
in
this,
and
that
and
that's
in
the
record
so
and
also
the
gentleman
said
he
had
been
trying
to
deal
with
that
for
a
while
and
was
told
to
back
off
of
it.
So
that's
not
true
so
to
say
that,
for
what
Mr
Chicken
is
saying,
you
are
correct.
This
has
been
handled
a
long
time
ago,
but
they've
backed
off
the
process
for
whatever
reason.
E
AE
What
was
said
I'd
like
to
make
a
comment
on
as
far
as
the
timing,
any
of
you
all
can
go
out
in
an
alley
and
look
and
see
things.
You
may
think:
that's
an
alley
and
you'll
see
things
there.
You
don't
know
what's
there
and
what's
encroaching
on
that.
So
at
that
point,
when
they
made
the
complaint,
nobody
knows
what's
in
the
alley,
that's
why
when
they
called
my
group,
Miss
Barbara
Lynch
spoke
with
I.
AE
Think
one
of
the
ladies
here
tonight
and
and
the
topic
came
up,
and
she
said
we
can't
tell
you
what's
in
the
alley
or
where
that
Alley's
at
until
there's
a
survey
completed
at
that
time.
Code
enforcement
can't
make
the
actual
citation
because
they
need
to
have
our
city
surveyor
go
out
there
and
make
the
survey.
AE
So
this
survey,
I,
was
looking
just
to
kind
of
give
you
a
timeline.
This
survey
looks
like
it
was
completed.
The
field
survey
was
completed
in
June
June,
8th
of
2021..
That's
just
with
the
data
in
the
field.
That's
the
last
time
he
was
in
the
field
to
to
collect
his
data
and
then
bring
it
back
into
the
office
and
do
the
sketch
and
the
legal
description
so
that
that,
just
to
give
you
a
heads
up
on
the
timeline
of
why
some
sort
of
time
was
lapsed,
of
why
the
citation
wasn't
followed
up.
AE
E
E
Sorry
I
ain't
buying
that
one,
because
I've
been
a
police
a
long
time
when
I've
had
the
code,
Code
Enforcement
situation
and
they
go
knock
right
on
the
door
with
the
policeman
or
whatever
and
have
access
to
whatever
you
get
access
to
so
something's
smelling
right
here,
I,
don't
know
what
it
is,
but
it
don't
sound
right
to
me.
I'm,
sorry
and.
AE
A
B
B
B
AI
I'd
like
to
point
out
to
you
that
on
any
alley
in
the
city
of
Tampa,
if
you
are
walking
down
the
alleyway
and
you
run
into
a
fence,
you
don't
have
to
have
a
survey
to
know.
There's
a
violation
just
for
I
just
want
to
start
with
that,
because
if
you
run
into
a
fence
as
you
walk
down
the
alleyway,
you
obviously
know
that
there's
an
encroachment
and
honestly
I
think
the
city
has
failed.
The
citizens
Mr
Alum
when
he
purchased
that
property
knew
that
there
was
an
issue.
Mr
Lum
also
knows
how
to
work.
AI
The
system
these
ladies
over
here
and
the
other
10
homeowners
on
the
North
side,
don't
know
how
to
work
the
system
I
I,
my
computer
was
screwed
up
during
that
last
hearing,
so
I
didn't
get
to
speak,
but
it
was
extremely
obvious.
These
ladies,
have
documentation
that
they
filed
thing
after
thing
after
thing
with
the
city
months
and
months
before
that,
did
anybody
from
code
enforcement?
Tell
those?
AI
Ladies,
you
know
what
you
guys
should
go
and
file
to
vacate
the
alleyway
I
would
be
willing
to
let
a
whole
lot
of
money
almost
as
much
as
it's
going
to
cost
us
for
Pure
that
nobody
ever
told
those.
Ladies,
they
could
do
that.
How
would
they
know
unless
somebody
told
them
when
I
had
a
problem
with
an
Alleyway
behind
my
house?
They
said
you
should
get
it
vacated,
I'm
like
okay,
so
it
cost
me
573
dollars.
AI
I
would
argue
that
somebody
in
neighborhood
enforcement
should
have
a
done
their
job
and
you
can
call
downstairs
to
Marie
Holmes
and
she
should
be
able
to
pull
the
system
pull
the
reports.
How
is
it
that
the
city
has
failed
to
follow
up
on
the
things
that
they
were
supposed
to
do?
Code
enforcement
has
a
job
and
Mr
O'connor
stood
up
here
and
said:
I
knew
that
there
was
a
vacation
coming,
how
where's
the
red
registered
lobbyist
meeting?
AI
AI
M
A
K
AJ
Hi
I'm
Laura
Brewster
I
live
at
2412,
West
Chicago
I.
Don't
really
have
too
much
more
to
add
to
this
situation,
but
I,
just
I'm
I'm
more
concerned
about
the
safety
issue,
because
we
don't
have
Side
Access.
So
if
there
was
ever
a
fire
in
the
front
of
the
house,
my
son
is
in
the
back
like
just
being
able
to
get
out
the
back,
because
if
we
allow
the
people
behind
us
to
do
whatever
they
want,
then
they
could
build
like
a
cement
wall
behind
us
and
there's
nothing.
AJ
We
can
do
so
just
being
able
to
have.
You
know
not
necessarily
paved
road,
but
some
access
behind
us
to
be
able
to
get
in
and
out.
That's
like
that's
kind
of
been
more
my
concern
with
all
this
and
then
there
have
been
you
know.
Some
of
the
encroachments
are
very
near
to
our
fence
already
so
within
five
feet.
So
I
think
it's
you
know,
there's
definitely
some
violations.
AK
Hi,
my
name
is
Caroline
Bennett
I'm,
a
lifelong
resident
of
Tampa
I
lived
in
a
house
for
20
years
that
had
an
alley
behind
it
and
it
wasn't
used
for
anything
and
a
lot
of
the
neighbors.
You.
AK
That
was
an
alley
that
belonged
to
the
city
that
did
not
belong
to
them
and
that
they
did
not
have
the
right
to
do
that
and
that
if
they
did
build
a
fence
on
their
on
part
or
all
of
the
alley,
that
would
be
an
illegal
encroachment
and
that
they
could
be
forced,
then
to
take
it
down,
and
so
they
didn't
break
the
law.
They
they
followed
the
rules
and
they
did
what
they
were
supposed
to
do.
This
alley
belongs
to
the
city.
AK
If
the
city
is
going
to
give
up
ownership
for
it,
it's
only
fair.
That
half
goes
to
one
side
and
half
goes
to
the
other,
which
I
think
is
what
usually
happens
and
I'm
a
Little
mystified
by
the
code
enforcement
saying
I
go
to
the
alley
and
as
a
fence
blocking
my
access,
so
I
can't
tell
if
there's
an
encroachment.
Well,
that's
the
fence
in
and
of
itself
is
an
encroachment
like
I
said.
We
all
knew
that
if
we
built
we
built
our
fence,
we
might
have
to
tear
it
down
in
and
of
itself.
AK
AK
They
just
start
at
the
beginning
and
they
try
to
get
help
with
the
problem,
and
perhaps
someone
had
said
well,
if
you
consider
filing
for
a
vacation,
then
maybe
they
would
have
done
it,
but
I
don't
understand
how
someone
can
do
something
illegal
and
because
they
did
it
illegal
illegally.
AK
Well,
now,
you're
going
to
benefit
of
the
people
who
follow
the
rules
are
going
to
be
punished.
That
doesn't
make
any
sense
to
me
and
I
just
I,
just
think
that
the
alley
needs
to
be
divided
in
half,
and
if
people
build
things
without
permits
illegally
on
a
property
that
belong
to
the
city,
you
know,
then
they
have
to
suffer
the
consequences
of
it.
Just
like
everybody
else
does
I
hope
you
vote
no
for
this.
Thank
you.
D
D
AA
Ron
Wheaton
legal
department
just
for
historical
perspective,
maybe
this
will
help
understand
so
originally
C.B
Shaw
subdivision
was
created
in
1907
and
you
can
see
here
that
these
are
the
Alleyways.
This
Alleyway
in
particular,
is
the
subject
alleyway.
So
originally
this
Alleyway
was
contained
within
the
CB
Shaw
subdivision.
However,
in
1987
or
thereabouts,.
AA
J
AA
Yes,
sir
I'm,
sorry,
it's
a
reason.
Yes,
sir,
it's
a
reap.
This
section
was
carved
out
of
the
original
plan
and
is
now
a
replay
called
see.
I'm
sorry,
Chicago,
Avenue
subdivision.
These
are
the
points
right
here.
These
are
the
boundary
points
of
the
subdivision.
The
alleyway
is
south
of
the
boundary
line
of
that
particular
subdivision.
So
the
city
is
not
taking
any
position
as
to
who
owns.
Who
has
the
fee
of
that
Alleyway,
whether
it's
one
one
side
entirely
or
whether
it
splits
down
the
middle
I've,
never
heard.
D
AA
That
is
correct,
however,
when
there
is
one
when
there's
two
subdivisions
abutting
each
other
and
the
alleyway
is
only
contained
within
one
subdivision,
then
there
has
been
caselo
out
there.
That
says
that
only
goes
to
one
side,
because
the
original
developer
owned
that
whole
parcel
by
himself
at
one
time
and
then
theoretically,
another
developer
owned.
The
second
parcel
adjacent
to
it.
So
when
the
first
developer
includes
that
Alleyway
in
his
development,
it
doesn't
necessarily
split
off
to
the
the
adjacent
developers
area.
M
Let
me
just
it
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
questions
about
who
will
end
up
owning
the
alley
if
it
gets
vacated.
Really
the
issue
before
you
is
whether
the
city
wants
to
release
its
interest,
there's
right
away
interest
in
the
alley.
That's
really
that's
really
the
end.
That's
the
issue.
We
don't
get
involved
in
who
owns
the
underlying
fee
once
the
vacating
occurs,
I
just
want
to
make
that
clear.
Mr.
T
D
M
B
B
Alley
continues
to
exist
based
on
based
on
whether
or
not
you
meet
the
criteria
that's
set
forth.
You
know
for
vacating,
I
I
the
point.
The
point
ultimately
is
and
Mr
wigginton
made
this
very
clear
at
the
last
reading,
the
first
reading
that
the
city
does
not
take
a
position,
nor
does
it
involve
itself
in
the
civil
case
and
is
Mr
Massey
States,
it's
not
for
the
city
to
determine
or
predict
or
suppose
what
the
outcome
is
going
to
be
really.
M
Really,
the
ownership
of
what
happened-
the
ownership
of
the
underlying
underlying
fee
really
should
not
be
an
issue
that
you
all
are
grappling
with,
which
are
should
be
grappling
with,
is
whether
the
city
should
release
its
right-of-way
interest
in
the
alley.
That's
really
that's
really
the
what
the
focus
of
this
this
year.
E
Massey
I
mean
I'm
glad
you
said
that
so
now
my
mind
is
a
little
clearer
now
so
you're
saying
the
city
has
no
position
as
valid
on
a
position,
we're
going
to
say.
If
we
we
don't
want
it,
and
it's
up
to
this
Council
to
say
we're
going
to
release
it
that
correct.
A
A
A
H
A
J
AF
This
is
this
is
what
we're
talking
about.
The
white
fence
is
the
Chicago
subdivision
fence
and
it's
on
elevated,
concrete
blocks.
There
is
only
one
out
of
all
those
properties.
It
has
a
gate
that
accesses
going
south
one.
AF
AF
The
city
staff
has
no
objections
to
vacating
this
and
in
terms
of
following
the
process,
it
followed
the
process,
the
city
hired
and
paid
for
the
surveyor
to
go
out
and
determine
exactly
where
that
alley
was
before
code
enforcement
moved
forward
and
did
anything
and
it's
the
right
of
the
property
owner
that
the
potential
Property
Owners
to
cure
the
problem,
and
so
it
you
know
in
the
matter
of
the
Cure
and
the
code
enforcement,
not
taking
any
further
action.
AF
It
was
to
file
for
a
vacating
which,
as
a
City
attorney
and
the
city
staff,
have
told
you
will
cure
the
problem.
The
ownership
of
the
alley
I
mean.
Obviously,
that's
that's
a
civil
issue
and
I.
Don't
know
exactly
how
that's
going
to
be
resolved,
but
that's
not
what
the
request
is.
Every
one
of
the
Departments
and
I
show
this
to
you.
I
I've
showed
it
to
you
last
time.
AF
AF
You
know,
I
understand
their
frustration,
but
but
when
they
started
the
process
with
the
complaint,
this
is
this
is
how
you
go
through
the
process
to
resolve
the
complaint.
No
one
is
jumping
over.
You
know
a
hurdle
and
and
somehow
by
by
sleight
of
hand,
not
following
the
process.
This
is
the
process,
and
this
is
the
way
you
cure
it.
AF
AF
You
know,
I'll
show
you
this
I
mean
this
is
this
is
their
their
report.
There
are
structures
and
improvements
in
the
alley.
The
staff
has
no
objection
to
the
request.
AF
I,
don't
know
how
how
much
more
information
we
can
give
you
we've.
You
know
here's
a
photograph
of
of
the
alley
and
it
shows
you
the
town
homes
across
the
north
side,
and
this
is
basically
where
the
alley
is.
You
can't
use
it.
It
has
nothing
there
to
to
be
utilized,
and
some
of
these
obstructions
have
been
there
since
the
80s
I
can't
help
that
I
don't
and
it
does.
AF
AF
AF
There
is
a
grade
differential
between
their
the
adjacent
properties
on
the
North
and
the
ones
on
the
south.
There's
only
one
gate
along
that
entire
property
and
it's
it's-
the
Far,
Western
I'm.
Sorry
Eastern
end
of
of
the
alley
where
the,
where
the
for
the
neck,
where
the
neck
is
it's
way
down
here.
AF
J
B
AA
So,
between
first
and
second
reading,
it
was
discovered
that
the
storm
water
department
no
longer
has
any
need
for
any
easement
whatsoever
throughout
the
entire
Alleyway.
It
was
also
subsequently
discovered
that
the
Wastewater
Department
only
needed
an
easement
on
the
north-south
portion
of
the
alleyway
and
not
the
East
West,
which
really
is
the
area
in
question
between
the
Shroud
Avenue
residents
and
Chicago
Avenue
residence.
Okay,
thank.
A
A
A
A
L
A
Have
a
motion
made
by
councilman
II
by
councilmanas
coconut
all
in
quote
all
in
favor
aye.
Okay,
can
we
hold
reports
until
this
evening.
D
Yes,
but
well,
it's
all
right,
I
can
hold
to
this
evening.
It's
about
the
zoo,
I
want
to
make
up.
It's
all
right,
I'll
order
for
this
evening,
all.