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A
B
A
B
B
All
right:
are
we
ready
in
the
conference
room
there
or
pure
yeah,
I'm
so
can.
C
I
appreciate
your
time
today,
council,
we
have.
We
have
brief
information
to
share
with
you
regarding
items
20-23
before
we
do
that.
I
would
like
to
just
offer
up
a
couple
of
minutes
for
three
environmental
subject
matter:
experts
who
want
to
make
a
statement,
and
so
I'm
first
going
to
call
up.
Mr
john
truitt
he's
the
deputy
secretary
for
our
regulatory.
C
Florida
department
of
environmental
protection,
so,
mr
truant,
thank
you
for
joining
us
today.
We've
got
just
a
brief
time
to
share
some
information
with
our
city
council.
Thank
you.
D
All
right,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
council
members.
I
hope
you
can
hear
me
all
okay.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
have
a
few
minutes
to
express
how
important
water
reuse
is
to
not
only
the
department
but
the
state
of
florida.
So
I
wanted
to
give
you
a
very
quick
update
on
where
we're
at
with
that
in
terms
of
regulatory
oversight.
D
as
part
of
that
it
directed
the
department
to
implement
direct
potable
reuse
regulations
which
we're
currently
working
on,
and
we
also
created
a
website
called
one
water
florida.
If
you,
google,
one
water
florida,
you
can
get
all
of
this
information
on
there
as
part
of
the
regulatory
rulemaking
process,
we
actually
did
statewide
research
and
reached
out
to
almost
2000
respondents
to
find
out
opinions
and
their
viewpoints
on
reuse
and
reclaimed
water.
D
D
The
majority
of
people
actually
wanted
to
see
reclaimed
water
used
for
personal
use
and
let
the
natural
environment
replenish
itself,
and
the
big
takeaway
from
the
survey
was
65
support,
direct
potable
reuse
of
water
and
only
six
percent
oppose
it,
and
the
other
29
have
no
opinion
on
the
matter
and
as
part
of
the
florida
clean
waterways
act,
I
mentioned
a
specific
statute
was
included
that
states
reclaimed
water
is
deemed
a
water
source
for
public
water
supply
systems.
D
We
believe
that
rulemaking
will
conclude
with
direct
portable
reuse
being
available
from
a
regulatory
perspective,
either
by
the
end
of
this
year
or
early
next
year.
So
again,
I
wanted
to
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
have
a
few
minutes
to
kind
of
lay
out
where
we
were
at
on
that
topic.
Thank
you.
B
D
E
Okay,
how
are
you
today
good
sir?
Thank
you
good.
I've
never
seen
that
survey
before
it
seems
a
little
contradictory
with
the
100
emails
that
we've
received
over
the
last
couple
of
days
and
I'm
still
waiting
for
the
first
email
to
come
in
to
say
that
I
want
reuse
and
I
want
direct
reuse
so
with
that
said,
please
share
that
survey
with
with
miss
duncan.
If
she
doesn't
have
it
and
and
miss
duncan
will
get
it
to
us,
because
I'm
very
very
curious.
E
E
That's
what
you
said.
Yes,
sir.
Okay,
all
right
again.
I
I
appreciate
appreciate
your
time
today.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
F
Yeah,
I
mean
that's,
that's
my
business
with
my
other
job
and
I
would
love
to
see
the
methodology
and
who,
who
did
that
and
how
the
questions
were
asked.
I've
actually
tried
to
run
my
own
surveys
on
this
and
it's
really
hard
whit
and
I
had
a
sketch
in
this
about
this
the
other
day.
It's
really
hard
not
to
ask
the
questions
in
a
skewed
way
for
against
it's.
It's
it.
It's
a
complicated
thing
and
it
has
so
many
different
aspects
to
it.
F
But,
sir,
just
a
a
couple,
questions
we've
been
told
I'm
gonna
paraphrase,
but
we've
been
told
that
the
state
has
required
us
to
do
this
and
in
the
original
alternative
analysis,
the
alternatives
were
going
to
cost
over
30
years
between
2.1
and
6.3
billion
dollars,
which
I
think
most
people
in
the
community
call
an
unfunded
mandate
by
the
legislature.
F
F
Tampa
is
reading
this
wrong
and
if
this
was
true
wise
in
every
city
in
the
state
running
around
spending
billions
of
dollars-
and
I
know
they
all
just
presented
to
you
all
a
couple
weeks
ago-
but
but
it
seems
like
tampa-
is
going
way
out
differently
than
everyone
else.
But
the
other
thing
is
is
that
the
the
legislation
has
has,
I
think,
two
broad
exemptions
and
one
of
them
is
just
environment
and,
as
we've
talked
to
the
makers
of
legislation,
we
asked
the
question
right
now.
F
F
The
the
the
folks
that
we
talked
to
the
makers
of
the
of
the
law
said
that
that
helping
the
tampa
bay
estuary
is
itself
a
beneficial
use
and
or
an
exemption
on
the
under
the
environmental
area.
Do
you
in
your
regulations
that
you're
building
do
do
you
think
that
there's
or
or
is
it
possible
that
your
department
could
give
us
an
official
opinion
on
that?
D
Yes,
sir,
so
under
cental
64
there
are
several
different
ways
to
comply
with,
including
only
banned
non-beneficial
surface
use.
So
if
there
is
a
benefit
to
the
environment
and
that
can
be
shown,
that's
certainly
an
option.
There's
167
utilities
around
the
state
that
law
affected
we've
gotten
plans
for
all
167.
D
If
you
roughly
divvy
them
up,
they
all
fall
in
three
major
buckets
about
a
third
wanna
can
want
to
either
continue
or
create
a
beneficial
surface
water
discharge,
either
hydrating
wetlands
or
improving
water
quality
in
an
estuary.
Something
like
that
about
a
third
are
looking
at
deep,
well
injection
and
another
third
are
looking
at
going
to
the
reclaimed
views.
So
I
I
would
say,
if
you're
looking
at
the
beneficial
use,
we
have
nine
months
to
review
the
project.
So
certainly
my
folks
will
work
with
your
utility.
F
Sit
down
the
option
to
better
clarify
we
city
council.
Sorry,
if
we
city
council
asked
dep
the
question,
would
the
existing
use
be
a
beneficial
use
to
help
the
the
tambay
estuary,
which
I
think
every
environmental
science
says
it
is?
Although
they'd
like
to
have
the
nutrients
further
cleaned
out,
would
your
would
your
organization
be
able
to
respond
directly
to
city
council.
D
I
believe
so,
sir,
in
our
ecosystem
side
of
the
house,
which
I'm
not
over
they're
the
ones
that
do
all
of
the
water
quality
and
monitoring
and
determine
the
ecosystem
impacts,
but
I'll
certainly
get
with
my
counterpart
deputy
secretary
blaylock
to
raise
that
question
to
him
and
see
how
we
can
get
an
answer
back
to
you,
sir.
I
don't
know
if.
F
You
heard
the
community
this
morning,
but
they're
actually
asking
us
for
objectivity
in
the
analysis
of
this,
and
if
we
could,
if
we
could
categorize,
you
know
if
the
makers
of
the
law
say
that
they
think
that
the
current
usage
is
is
covered
under
the
environmental
exemption.
Then
it
seems
like
we.
We
shouldn't
harm
the
estuary
by
taking
the
water
out
and
number
two
that
we
shouldn't
spend
two
to
six
billion
dollars
and
make
people
drink,
potty
water.
F
The
other
thing
is
sierra
club,
gave
me
some
information
that
said
that
nine
out
of
ten
of
these
potable
reuse
projects
in
the
united
states
used
reverse
osmosis
and
a
year
or
so
ago,
when
the
consultants
of
the
water
department
came
before
us.
I
asked
them
the
question:
what
is
the
safest
best
highest
quality
way
to
filter
this
water,
and
their
answer
twice
to
me
was
not
reverse
osmosis.
F
F
We
happen
to
have
what
was,
at
the
time
the
state-of-the-art
saltwater
desal
plant
on
the
bay
by
the
way
this
water
is
going
into
the
bay
and
then
filtering
around
there
anyway,
but
we
potentially
could
get
another
group
to
build
a
pipeline
from
our
facility
to
the
to
the
reverse
osmosis
plant
and
and
have
them
filter
it
there
and,
and
by
co-locating
and
they're
planning
on
expanding
their
plant.
Anyway,
it
seems
like
we
could
save
millions
or
billions
of
dollars,
and
so
that
gets
into
two
questions.
F
C
Chairman,
could
I
interrupt
and
just
suggest
if
we
could
continue
with
our
presentation,
I
think
some
of
the
councilman's
questions
will
be
answered.
Well,.
F
I
would
just
like
to
hear
dep's
opinion
on
those
two
things
that
you
know:
they're
they're,
a
state
authority,
so
they're
independent
of
the
city.
D
I
think
reverse
osmosis
is
a
perfectly
acceptable
solution.
We,
as
the
regulators,
we
don't
like
to
say
what
may
be
best
or
not
whatever
meets
the
regulatory
requirements
is
going
to
be
the
best
choice
that
wants
to
do
that.
I
know
I
had
reverse
osmosis
for
the
16
months.
I
was
in
iraq
and
that
worked
out
just
fine
for
us
in
terms
of
the
whether
the
city
wants
to
work
alone
or
work
as
a
regional.
Our
regulations
did
not
affect
that.
That
would
be
up
to
the
local
governments
in
the
region.
D
B
I
have
a
question
for
the
gentleman
and
you,
the
working
with
the
state,
correct,
sir,
that
correct
sir.
Yes,.
B
A
B
Can
talk
about
the
environment?
You
can
tell
all
these
issues
the
bottom
line.
What
people
want
to
know?
What
kind
of
water
are
we
drinking?
That's
the
bottom
line.
You
can
talk
about
the
aquifer.
We
can
talk
about
all
the
other
things,
but
the
bottom
line
people
want
to
know
what
kind
of
water
are
the
people
in
tampa
bay
drinking?
D
So
to
be
permitted
and
follow
under
the
regulations,
we
implement
the
federal,
safe
drinking
water
act,
which
has
all
of
the
requirements
for
like
the
safe
drinking
water.
It's
got
a
bunch
of
primary
and
secondary
constituents
that
have
all
kinds
of
requirements.
Our
potable
reuse
rules
that
we're
going
to
be
getting
to
would
also
incorporate
all
of
those
requirements
so
same
requirements
in
our
existence
today
from
say:
withdraw
from
the
aquifer
one
through
a
trans
plant
and
it
comes
out
of
your
plant.
D
B
You
mentioned
you
mentioned
you
mentioned
in
your
statement
and
it's
the
key
point
I
want
to
make
you
you're
talking
what
I
call
not
layman's
turn
to
people
who
are
listening,
and
the
question
is
right
now:
what
kind
of
water
are
people
in
tampa
bay
drinking?
D
B
G
Excuse
me,
but
I
may
interpret
that
question
as
where
does
our
water
come
from
primarily
from
the
green
shrub
and
from
the
northeastern
part
of
pasco
county?
And
what
do
you
have
around
there?
I
would
imagine
that
there's
a
lot
of
cattle
horses,
a
lot
of
different
types
of
foul
and
a
lot
of
different
types
of
species
in
the
river
that
certainly
have
a
life
span
like
we
do
and
also
have
a
death
cycle
like
we
do
so
we're
drinking
water
that
it's
not
pure.
G
You
have
to
purify
it
any
water
that
we
drink
right
now,
as
far
as
I
I
know
is
not
pure,
you
have
to
have
an
enormous
amount
of
cleanup
that
goes
through
it.
Not
only
in
this
system
of
any
other
water,
currently
in
the
state
of
florida
or
in
this
country
has
to
be
purified
to
a
standard
that
is
created
by
the
agencies
in
which
they
live,
and
this
is
what
it
is.
G
G
G
We
have
to
be
factual
with
the
facts.
I've
heard
things
say
that
listen
even
well,
water's
going
to
be
cleaned
up
to
some
degree
when
I
first
came
into
office
back
in
the
middle
70s
20
to
18.
I
forget,
which
way
the
city
of
tampa
had
what
septic
tanks
and
not
connected
to
water,
and
we
made
an
agreement
with
the
public
to.
I
think
it
was
five
hundred
dollars.
Finally,
I
think
we
settled
at
250
or
something
there,
I'm
going
back
in
the
70s,
and
I
think,
maybe
now
it's
less
than
one
percent.
G
G
We
had
to
connect
and
we
had
to
do
our
own
connection.
So
myself
and
a
neighbor
which
I
helped
pay
we've.
I
bought
the
expense
and
we
dug
the
trench
and
he
was
a
plumber
and
he
did
all
the
work
with
a
primitive
thing
and
connected
that's
how
most
of
us
in
west
tampa
got
it
so
to
say
that
it's
always
been
something
river.
Water
is
not
pure
water,
it
is
not
pure
water.
Decel
is
not
pure
water.
Any
water
that
you
drink.
I
don't
care
where
you
come
from.
G
It's
got
to
meet
a
certain
specification
according
to
those
specifications
of
law
within
that
jurisdiction
and
there's
where
we're
at.
Let
me
tell
you
another
thing,
and
this
has
nothing
to
do
with
pure
when
you
go
to
atlanta
to
the
atacuan
valley,
when
you
go
to
el
paso,
when
you
go
to
orange
county
you're
drinking
the
water
that
we're
talking
not
to
have
is
nothing
wrong
with
that
water.
It's
just
I'll.
Tell
you
what
I'll
guarantee
you
that
water
is
pure
than
the
water
I'm
producing
now.
G
G
I
guess
part
of
it.
So
what
are
you
drinking
you're
drinking
petroleum?
It's
got
plastic,
that's
what
it
is
now.
If
you
get
the
thicker
bottle
that
doesn't
squish
so
easily,
it
may
take
six
months
whatever
the
time
is,
I
don't
really
know
it
may
be
three
years
or
three
months,
but
you
will
drink
it.
If
you
drink
that
water,
that's
been
there
for
some
time,
a
reasonable
time.
The
water
changes.
G
That's
all
I'm
going
to
say,
and
this
is
not
what
this
is.
What
not
about
pure.
This
is
about
the
other
type
of
water
that
was
injected
in
the
pure
to
confuse
things.
So
I'm
just
making
what
I
see.
What
I
know
is
going
on,
and-
and
this
is
what
we
are
talking
about-
mr
moran
and
the
city
of
tampa
has
a
contract
for
82
million
gallons
a
year
average.
You
cannot
break
that
contract
with.
We
have
a
swift
mud.
You
have
that
agreement.
G
We
belong
to
tampa
bay,
water
who
ends
in
2038
or
maybe
never
ends.
Let
me
explain
that
this
contract's
got
two
endings
one
that
ends
in
2038
and
one
that
doesn't
end
if
you
have
a
debt.
So
I
challenge
that
contract
and
I've
been
working
to
save,
which,
how
can
you
have
a
contract,
got
no
ending,
or
does
it
really
end
when
you
have
a
bond
out
so
I'll
be
honest
with
you
every
time,
there's
a
vote
on
the
finance.
G
B
H
B
All
this
going
around
around
just
tell
the
people
what
they
need
to
know
and
hear
they
know
where
the
water's
coming.
What's
in
the
water,
they
can
accept
what
we're
drinking,
what
we're
not
drinking.
So
we
have
to
tell
the
people
what
is
going
on
and
that's
what
frustrates
me.
Sometimes
we
want
to
hide
things,
just
communicating
with
the
public
and
then
let
the
public
then
tell
us,
because
that
would
give
them
the
information
they
need.
B
I
Thank
you,
sir.
I
appreciate
it
yeah
I
mean
I
I'm
just
going.
To
be
frank,
I
mean
that
that's
what
I'm
here
to
do.
I
want
to
listen
to
this
presentation
to
listen
to
folks
with
a
requisite
knowledge,
so
that
I
can
acquire
the
knowledge
for
today's
vote
and
for
future
votes
and
and
that's
what
I
want
to
do.
I
I
have
90
minutes
until
I
have
to
leave,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I
listen
to
this
presentation,
so
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
point
of
order
or
whatever
just
my
preference,
that
may
be
just
respectfully
suggested
questions,
comments,
etc,
come
after
the
presentation,
so
that
I
can
at
least
in
take
that
that's
all.
Thank
you,
sir.
F
Just
one
quick
follow-up
to
all
this,
the
there
are
folks-
and
I've
said
this
over
and
over
again
at
other
meetings.
There
are
folks
who
don't
want
to
drink
potty
water,
no
matter
what,
but
a
lot
of
people
who
are
against
it,
are
okay
with
it
if
the
city
goes
through
a
process
of
building
trust
in
the
in
the
options.
F
The
issue
here,
as
you
heard
this
morning
and
you've
heard
in
emails
and
everything
else,
the
public
doesn't
have
all
the
information,
because
the
city
has
not
gone
out
and
talked
to
more
than
200
people
and
number
two
folks,
don't
trust
the
information
the
city
is
giving
them
because
they
feel
it's
biased.
The
fact
that
we
we
had
five
alternatives
and
we
asked
the
the
water
department
to
communicate
with
the
public
and
they
didn't
and
now
they're
trying
to
narrow
it
down
to
two
alternatives.
F
It
builds.
It
doesn't
build
trust
of
the
public
and
the
fact
that
their
consultant,
they
hired
immediately
dismissed
reverse
osmosis,
which
is
the
one
that
I'm
told
nine
out
of
ten
cities
in
the
country
use
and
it
it's
the
same
technology
essentially
as
as
as
desal,
but
it's
it's.
It's
used
to
purify
the
water
so
yeah,
whether
we're
drinking
it.
Now
we
will
be
in
the
future.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
looking
at
science.
First
of
all,
if
the,
if
the
legislation's
an
excuse,
we
need
to
find
out.
F
If
it
really
is,
I
don't
think
it
is,
but
then
we
have
to
build
trust
with
the
community
that
we're
doing
the
right
thing
and
that's
why
I
think
we
need
to
focus
on
public
engagement
and
go
back
to
all
the
alternatives.
Let
the
public,
the
engineering
to
some
extent
been
done.
Let
the
public
tell
us
what
they
want.
Thank
you.
G
If
one
second,
then
I'll
leave,
I
wanted
to
belabor
the
issue.
Why
are
we
here
today?
What
are
we
doing
about
pure
and
what
is
the
the
ramifications
of
it?
First
of
all,
by
2032
no
government
can
put
water
into
the
bay
no
matter
what
you
have.
We
have
an
advanced
houstorian
treatment
plant
with
others.
Do
not,
and
we've
been
putting
in
there.
G
G
What
this
will
do
in
part
it
subsidized
that
11
and
a
half
to
12
million
or
13
million
14
minutes,
50
million
gallons
going
over
the
bay
over
the
dam
to
clean
out
and
give
the
fishes
a
right
to
live
like
everybody
else
and
the
other
little
crabs,
and
whatever
is
there
little
fish
that
are
neutral
to
be
big
fish?
So
all
these
things
have
to
come
into
play
from
nature,
once
that's
done,
that
11
million
gallons
that
we're
getting
there.
G
That's
where
we
save
some
water
and
that's
why
we
need
to
bring
this
water
to
substitu
that
water
going
over
the
dam
that
would
be
sus
justify,
in
my
opinion,
our
need
when
we
can't
do
that
and
that's
coming
once
you
can't
put
the
water
in
the
bay
you
got
70
million
gallons
of
whatever
you
want
to
call
it.
Reuse,
water,
poppy,
water.
Whatever
it
is.
I
I
may
be
wrong,
but
this
is
what
I
think.
Then
you
have
to
have.
G
What
are
you
going
to
do
with
that
water,
so
we're
taking
so
many
millions
to
subsidize
that,
because
that's
coming
from
where
sulphur
springs
and
at
the
time
we
do
it,
you
can
go
back
in
history
and
look
when
we
started
doing
sulfur
springs
and
put
over
the
dam
we
knew
sooner
or
later
it
would
get
too
salty
to
meet
the
requirements
that
we
settled
on
and
I'll
stop
and
yield
to.
Mrs,
mr.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
so
much
council
chair
and
thank
you,
council
members
for
your
interest
on
this
topic.
I
just
want
to
make
a
quick
statement
before
we
give
our
other
two
speakers
a
very
short
moment
to
say
a
few
words
and
just
make
something
very
clear
which
is
in
line
with
what
you
heard
from
the
public
this
morning.
This
next
step
that
we're
asking
you
to
vote
on
today
is
essentially
to
fully
vet
all
of
the
alternatives
that
we
we
already
looked
at
through
the
independent
part
of
review.
C
Our
last
round
of
this
was
the
first
incremental
step
of
that,
and
our
next
step
is
to
have
the
full
vetting
of
these
alternatives,
get
everything
on
the
table
hear
from
the
public
and
we'll
come
back
to
you
with
a
workshop.
This
fall
and
share
that
feedback
before
we
make
our
next
step.
So
with
that
said,
I
would
like
to
introduce
jeanette
secret
she's.
The
director
of
resource
management
for
swift
mud
she's
been
a
partner
with
her
agency
on
this
environmental
restoration
project
jeanette.
Thank
you
for
sharing
a
few
words
this
morning.
K
K
Let
you
all
know
that
our
governing
board
did
approve
funding
a
portion
of
the
pure
project
specifically
related
to
the
natural
systems
recovery
that
was
just
mentioned
regarding
the
lower
hillsborough
river
minimum
flow,
that
minimum
flow
was
set
by
the
district's
governing
board
and
that's
to
protect
the
lower
hillsborough
river
and
and
all
the
the
habitat
that
the
river
provides
and
with
that
the
sulphur
springs
has
been
used
as
a
one
of
the
fresh
water
sources
that
the
city
uses
to
meet
the
minimum
flow
of
the
lower
hillsborough
river
and
over
time
the
sulfur
springs,
the
salinity
has
been
increasing
and
that
has
been
resulting
in
sulfur
springs,
becoming
a
less
reliable,
fresh
water
source
for
the
lower
hillsborough
river.
K
So
with
the
pure
project,
this
provides
a
great
opportunity
to
provide
fresh
water
to
the
lower
hillsborough
river
to
meet
that
minimum
flow
and
to
provide
that
much
needed
fresh
water
for
the
habitat.
So
that
is.
That
is
the
reason
why
the
district
has
prioritized
funding
for
a
portion
of
the
project.
We're
excited
to
work
with
the
city
on
this
project
and
would
be
happy
to
help
answer
any
questions.
K
B
You
and
I'd
next.
B
All
your
people
going
to
stay
on
for
q,
a
after
your
experts,
you
have
here
or
are
they
going
to
stay
on.
C
They
will
stay
as
long
as
their
schedules
allow.
They
said
they
would
accommodate
to
the
best
extent
they
could
chairman.
Okay,
can
I
dr
luke
is
the
senior
vice
president
of
conservation
for
the
florida
aquarium,
another
partner
with
the
city
of
tampa,
and
thank
you
deborah
for
a
few
words
for
me
this
morning,.
A
Absolutely
can
you
all
hear
me:
okay,
yes,
ma'am
excellent!
Well!
Well,
thank
you
very
much
council
members
for
this
opportunity.
As
you
said,
I
work
for
the
florida
aquarium
and
we
are
pleased
to
support
this
proposal
currently
in
front
of
you.
We
believe
that
this
is
a
preemptive
proposal
that
will
study
water
reuse
within
the
city
of
tampa.
A
A
We
believe
that
wildlife
and
wild
places
and
human
life
are
all
interconnected
and
that
healthy
waters
lead
to
healthy
communities,
habitats
and
people
by
treating
reclaimed
water
to
remove
contaminants,
as
many
of
you
have
already
just
discussed
from
pharmaceuticals
to
all
types
of
contaminants
to
exceed
drinking
water
standards
and
expand.
Water
reuse
by
the
city
of
temple
would
also
very
likely
yield
important
environmental
benefits.
C
Thank
you,
dr
luke.
We
appreciate
your
time
this
morning.
Thank
you,
chairman
for
giving
us
a
few
moments
for
our
subject
matter:
stakeholders.
I
just
want
to
again
reinforce
the
commentary
we
heard
this
morning,
which
we
fully
anticipated
prior
to
getting
to
this
point
today
in
terms
of
engaging
on
this
topic.
C
It
is
our
intent
to
have
full
public
engagement,
meaningful
public
engagement.
That
includes
the
alternatives
that
have
been
under
consideration,
including
the
purple
pipes
options.
So
we
can
get
information
exchange
with
the
public
and
get
a
good
discussion.
C
So
when
we
come
back
to
you,
this
fall
with
the
workshop
you'll
hear
that
information
and
we
can
continue
to
proceed
with
our
water
planning
activities
so
with
that
whit
is
just
going
to
share
a
few
key
points
that
we
shared
with
you
last
week
during
our
briefings
and
then
we'll
yield
back
to
your
questions
and
answer
those
to
the
best
extent
possible.
So
thank
you.
E
I
just
I
just
had
a
question
for
the
young
lady
from
swift
mud
before
we
lose
her.
I
didn't
know
if
we
lost
her
or
not.
E
Okay,
seacrest
secrets,
secrets:
correct:
okay,
let's
see
chris,
so
have
you
had
a
chance
to
review
the
juterna
alternatives
and
the
the
alternatives
analysis
that
was
done
last
summer
by
the
juterna
consulting
group
for
the
city.
E
E
And-
and
I
was
just
wondering
and-
and
I've
been
wondering
that
for
a
couple
of
days
myself
because
it
looks
like
after
we
did
the
alternative
analysis,
we
kind
of
narrowed
this
down
to
just
two
alternatives,
neither
of
which
is
is
heavy
on
on
conservation
and
and
or
continued
expansion
of
our
reclaimed
water
program.
E
For
you
know,
in
other
words,
we've
got
a
lot
of
folks
out
there
who
are
putting
potable
water
on
their
on
their
yards
and
I'm
just
not
talking
about
individual
yards
I'm
talking
about
and
in
the
study
it
mentions:
raymond
james
stadium,
steinbrenner
stadium,
lowry,
park,
zoo,
emily
arena,
busch
gardens,
golf
courses,
etc.
So
some
larger
larger
uses
as
well.
I've
my
history
with
swift
mud,
just
30
something
years.
E
K
That
is
so
beneficial
reuse
of
of
reclaimed.
Water
is
a
is
a
top
priority
of
the
water
management
district
and
that
can
be
in
many
different
forms,
including
the
purple
pipe.
We
have
started
to
see
a
trend
with
our
local
government
partners
that
many
are
moving
more
towards
the
indirect
and
direct
potable
reefs.
We
have
over
a
dozen
studies
ongoing
with
our
local
government
partners
for
evaluating
the
feasibility
of
indirect
and
direct
potable
reuse.
K
So
I
we,
we
have
seen
a
reduction
in
the
traditional
purple
pipe
reclaim
water
projects.
However,
they're
still
a
priority,
you
know
any
at.
I
do
want
to
emphasize
we.
We
really
want
to
prioritize
beneficial
reuse
and
we're
we're
not
saying
that
we
wouldn't
fund
the
traditional
purple
pipe,
but
we
are
encouraging
the
direct
and
indirect
potable
reuse
right
now.
We're
only
funding
the
feasibility
studies
with
local
partners.
K
Right
now,
we
would
be
only
looking
at
our
regional
water
supply
authorities
for
the
actual
construction,
cooperatively
funding,
the
construction.
E
E
A
13
million
gallons
per
day
benefit,
and
the
quote
that
I
just
wrote
down
from
this
city
funded
study
says
this:
decreased
demand
will
result
in
an
improvement
in
lower
hillsborough
river
minimum
flows
and
the
city's
potable
water
supply
reliability,
and
those
are
two
of
the
two
big
goals
that
I
again,
I
would
say,
are
consistent
with
swift
mud.
K
E
Well,
I
know
that
the
same
study
came
out
with
a
conclusion
that
purple
pipes
are
expensive.
You
know
trying
to
go
to
these
large
users
like
ray
j
and
steinbrenner,
etc
is
expensive,
but
it's
been
eliminated
from
the
alternatives
that
that
we're
about
to
vote
on,
and
I'm
not
bob.
I
don't
want
to
bother
you
anymore
jeanette
on
that
issue,
but
I'm
just
sort
of
making
a
statement
to
everybody
that
concerns
me
greatly
about
the
step
we're
about
to
take
today
because
they've
eliminated.
E
F
For
example,
there
was
a
professor
who
emailed
us,
and
I
and
said
in
in
favor
of
this
I
emailed
back
and
said
what
did
you
as
you
studied
the
alternative
analysis?
How
did
you
decide
which
alternative
was
best
and
it
turned
out
the
person?
Hadn't
read
any
of
it,
and
so
people
are
in
favor
of
reuse
in
general
and
concepts.
But
this
is
a
is
a
specific
process.
This
city
is
taking
this
through
sorry,
the
lady
from
sorry.
I
forgot
your
name
from
swift
mud.
F
You
talk
about
minimum
flows
and
the
city
talks
about
minimum
flows.
Minimum
flows
really
just
equates
to
the
permit
for
the
82
mgd
right
I
mean,
except
in
a
massive
drought,.
K
So
the
the
water
management
district
has
established
a
minimum
flow
for
the
lower
hillsborough
river
that
is
separate
from
the
water
use.
Permit
the
there
is
a
recovery
strategy
associated
with
the
lower
hillsborough
river.
That
requires
a
certain
amount
of
fresh
water
flow
and
it
it's
it's
complex.
It's
based
on
seasons
and
it's
it's
based
on
freshwater,
equivalence,
recognizing
the
salinity,
gradients
and.
K
F
One
of
the
thank
you
for
the
long
explanation.
We
should
have
you
back
the,
but
the
city
is
worried
that,
because
of
the
minimum
flows
are
not
hit,
that
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
pull
get
the
same
permit
for
82
mgd
from
from
swift
mud,
but
the
alternative
would
be
if
we're
short
we
buy
from
our
regional
water
supplier.
But
that's
not
one
of
the
options
the
city
is
looking
at,
and
so
it
would
would
not.
K
K
F
And
you
know
for
for
if
the
city
proposed
potable
reuse
would
not
because
of
the
inter-local
agreement
and
swift
months
prior
funding,
wouldn't
wouldn't
the
city
have
to
get
approval
from
tampa
bay
water
before
you
would
give
it
the
city
funding
for
potable
reuse,
direct
potable
reuse.
K
For
for
the
potable
reuse
projects
and
any
alternative
water
supply
project,
in
order
for
it
to
receive
funding
from
the
district
it
would
have
to
come,
have
to
be
owned
and
operated
by
a
regional
water
supply
authority.
So
that
would
that's
at
least
that's.
What's
in
our
cooperative
funding
policy.
F
Sorry,
you
may
correct
me,
but
I'm
hearing
that
that
the
the
projection
for
the
entire
region,
three
counties
in
40
or
50
years
will
be
50
mgd,
and
this
project
is
bringing
50
mgd
to
drinking
water
quality
standards
which
to
me
seems
excessive
in
what
we'll
have
to
spend.
But
you
talked
about.
F
Sulphur
springs
has
and
and
whit,
showed
me
a
model
the
other
day
where
there
was
some
saltwater
intrusion
before
we
started
pumping,
but
then
it
skyrocketed,
it
seems
to
me
the
simple
solution
would
be
to
just
stop
pumping
the
11
mgd
from
sulphur
springs
and
do
some
modeling
to
see
what
happened
to
the
to
the
to
the
saltwater
intrusion.
Would
it
reverse
or
would
it
stay
the
same
and
and
if
we,
if
we
did
that,
then
what
you
know?
What
would
be
the
outcome?
F
My
question
is:
has
has
swiftmay
done
any
modeling
of
aquifer
storage
and
recovery
related
to
sulphur
springs
in
that
particular
area
to
see
if,
if
injecting
purified
water
in
that
area
would
actually
reverse
the
the
saltwater
intrusion.
L
Councilman,
can
you
guys
see
our
presentation
slides
apparel
on
the
screen?
We.
L
Okay,
great,
I
just
wanna
just
put
in
context
a
couple
of
things
that
we
heard
just
to
reiterate
what
gene
said.
So
much
of
what
we've
heard
today
is
that
the
public
needs
to
know
more,
and
what
I
I
want
to
emphasize
is
that,
with
your
support
today,
we
can
embark
on
robust
public
engagement.
We've
had
narrow
public
engagement
right
previously.
That
was
because
we
had
14
alternatives
that
were
being
studied
and
then
reviewed
by
a
third
independent
third
party.
L
L
I
I
appreciate
mr
true
from
the
state
being
here.
His
remarks
were
narrowly
tailored
to
drinking
water
reuse,
which
is
certainly
one
option
that
we
are
looking
at
under
the
pure
project.
There
are
many
many
options
under
pure,
including
environmental
restoration
of
the
lower
hillsboro
river,
deep,
well
injection
aquifer
storage,
recovery
and
recharge
and,
of
course,
refilling
the
reservoir
which
blends
with
our
drinking
water
supply.
So
we've
got
a
lot
to
talk
about
and
discover
here
together
and
that's
exactly
what
this
journey
is
going
to
allow
us
to
do
so.
L
Please
allow
me
just
a
couple
of
moments
to
walk
through
our
presentation.
First
and
foremost,
pure
is
a
environmental
restoration
project.
Councilman
carlson
referenced
a
possibility
whereby
the
water
that's
being
discharged
from
current
is
beneficial
to
the
estuary
under
our
analysis.
Right
now,
that
is
not
true.
The
fresh
water
is
diluted
so
quickly
that
there
is
very
minimal
benefit
to
the
estuary.
L
In
fact,
the
only
the
only
impact
on
the
estuary
right
now
is
negative
and
that's
because
of
the
360
tons
of
nutrients,
and
you
can
square
that
with
the
tampa
bay
estuary
program's
work
program.
So
we
do
not
feel
that
an
exemption,
an
environmental
exemption
to
senate
bill
64
would
be
to
discharge
this
into
the
estuary.
However,
we
do
see
a
benefit
of
that
water
being
beneficially
reused.
To
supplement
minimum
flows
on
the
lower
hillsborough
river
and
that
we
believe
is
a
primary
goal.
L
This
is
an
environmental
restoration
project
that
takes
a
holistic
viewpoint
on
our
water
reuse
options
and
that's
what
we're
going
to
walk
through
today.
L
So
as
mr
truitt
referenced,
it
has
been
referred
several
times.
Yes,
there
is
a
driving
law,
a
driving
force
behind
why
we
need
to
beneficially
reuse
this
water.
Let
me
be
clear:
in
10
years
we
must
eliminate
the
discharge
from
the
howard
f,
current
wastewater
treatment
facility
that
is
reclaimed
water,
that
we
see
an
opportunity
to
reuse
whether
the
state
law
was
in
existence
or
not.
L
We
believe
that
the
science
and
the
engineering
is
here
to
stop
discharging
a
very
valuable
asset
and
resource
to
this
region
and,
frankly,
to
the
entire
world,
which
is
fresh
water,
that
we
have
the
engineering
to
reuse
in
a
beneficial
way.
The
state
law
now
has
a
timeline
to
that,
but
we
were
looking
at
beneficially
reusing
this
water
through
a
number
of
options
for
several
years.
L
Armband
we
jump
forward
and
if
we
don't
comply
with
the
state
law,
we
do
have
a
missed
opportunity
and
we
do
believe
there
is
going
to
be
funding
from
the
state.
We
do
not
believe
this
is
an
unfunded
mandate.
We
believe
that
there
are
going
to
be
significant
grant
opportunities
both
from
the
state
of
florida
and
from
the
federal
government,
including
partially
from
the
trillion
dollar
infrastructure
bill,
which
has
hundreds
of
billions
of
dollars
for
water
projects.
L
In
it
we
risk
not
being
reissued
our
wastewater
permit
and,
of
course,
there
are
fines
associated
with
non-compliance.
L
We've
talked
about
silver
springs,
a
cherished
part
of
our
river,
a
cherished
community
that
asset
that
has
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
but
become
increasingly
jeopardized
and
environmental.
L
Will
continue
if
we
pump
with
sulfur
springs
to
supply
the
fresh
water
flows
on
the
river,
as
we
are
right
now,
salters,
sulphur
springs
is
simply
becoming
too
salty
to
remain
a
fresh
water
source
for
the
hillsborough
river.
If
we
do
not
address
this,
the
hillsborough
river,
as
we
know
it
will
be
jeopardized.
L
L
This
is
a
trend
line
that
councilman
carlson
was
referencing.
You
see
the
the
gradual
trend
line
with
sulfur
springs
becoming
saltier
simply
because
of
the
natural
flow
from
this
part
of
the
florida
and
aquifer.
When
we
started
pumping
it
in
the
early
2000s
to
meet
those
minimum
flows,
that's
indicative
of
the
red
line
it's
becoming
more
and
more
salty.
L
We
believe
that
the
southwest
floor
water
management
district
is
going
to
challenge
us
to
find
an
alternative
to
providing
those
freshwater
flows
that
are
currently
being
provided
by
silver
springs,
and
we
are
optimistic
that,
through
this
water
reuse
process
that
we
can
find
a
better.
U
a
better
use
of
the
reclaimed
water,
that's
currently
being
discharged.
Certainly
one
option
is
supplementing
minimal
flows.
L
If
we
do
not
address
the
over
pumping
of
sulphur
springs,
our
ecosystem,
the
marine
habitat,
as
we
know
it
on
the
hillsborough
river,
will
be
jeopardized
the
manatees
that
that
visit
the
springs,
the
fish,
the
plants,
the
selenium
levels,
will
change
those
almost
irreversibly.
If
this
is
not
addressed.
L
L
This
is
simply
a
graph
of
some
of
the
droughts
that
we've
seen
in
the
past.
We
expect
additional
climate
impacts
to
further
exacerbate
droughts
and
the
drought
cycles,
as
as
they
continue
into
the
future.
So
why
pure?
We
need
to
comply
with
state
law.
We
need
to
meet
healthy
river
flows.
We
need
to
drop
through
our
water
supply
and
support
a
resilient
city.
Those
are
the
reasons
why
we
need
to
explore
beneficial
reuse.
The.
L
What
at
the
end
of
this
is
still
for
the
for
this
city
council,
for
the
public,
for
the
engineers
for
the
budget
crunchers
all
to
help
us
to
decide
which
of
these
potential
options
is
the
best
for
our
community.
L
Why
now,
because
understanding
incorporating
and
responding
to
these
major
public
health
concerns
that
we
share
takes
a
long
time
these
studies,
these
this
modeling,
the
pilot
programs
that
have
been
suggested.
All
of
these
take
time
to
design
to
build
and
to
fund.
We
have
10
years
to
be
in
full
compliance
with
the
state
law.
We
need
to
start
now
with
today's
action
before
you,
we
can
go
embark
on
some
additional
modeling
and
councilman
carlson.
We
will
look
at
purple
pipes.
We
will
look
at
the
five
options,
not
just
the
two.
L
We
simply
arrived
at
the
two,
because
that's
what
the
engineering,
science
and
the
cost
led
us
to
look
at,
but
with
this
public
feedback
and
with
additional
input
from
council,
we
are
willing
to
explore
the
five
alternatives
and
any
combination
that
that
makes
sense
both
from
input
from
the
council,
from
the
public
and
from
engineers.
E
Can
I
can
I
stop
you
one
second,
mr
chairman,
really,
and
I'm
sorry
joe
on
that
question,
because
that's
that's
a
linchpin
question
for
me.
Okay,
you've
got
a
contract
in
front
of
us
that
has
a
limited
scope
wit.
You
just
said
we
can
expand
the
scope
of
that
and
add
three
additional
alternatives
or
whatever
you
just
said,
tell
me
the
process
by
how
you
would
expand
those.
Are
you
willing
to
renegotiate
with
the
contractor
and
come
back
to
us
with
an
amendment
amended
contract?
E
L
L
Finally,
I
can
underscore
the
secondary
benefits
of
of
the
state
law
and
our
opportunity
for
water
reuse.
Yes,
we're
looking
at
the
river,
yes
we're
in
compliance
with
state
law,
but
importantly,
we
are
removing
this
final
tranche
of
nutrients
from
the
reclaimed
water
being
discharged
into
hillsborough
bay.
I
think
it
was
councilman
miranda
that
put
this
in
perspective
right
now.
We're
discharging
360
tons
of
nutrients
when
I
say
nutrients,
that's
mainly
nitrogen,
that
nitrogen
chokes
out
rc
graphenes,
which
negatively
impacts
our
ecosystem,
200
tons
from
piney
point.
L
We
all
remember
that
so
we're
equivalent
we're
eliminating
the
equivalent
of
a
piney
point
and
a
half
a
year
from
the
bay,
and
we
just
do
not
believe
that
the
positive
impacts
of
adding
some
fresh
water
in
the
bay
outweigh
the
negative
impacts
of
this
nutrient
loading.
C
So,
thank
you,
calcium,
for
taking
a
few
moments
to
refrain
from
some
of
this
information.
I'd
just
like
to
also.
They
could
comment
that
there
was
a
question
asked
about
what
kind
of
water
are
we
drinking?
C
If
you
look
back
at
the
decades
of
service
that
the
city
of
tampa
has
provided
to
our
citizens
and
our
customers,
we
provide
safe,
reliable
quality
drinking
water,
competitively
priced
and
we're
going
to
continue
to
do
that
under
the
framework
of
state
and
federal
laws
and
continue
to
make
sure
that
we
have
that
same
protocol
and
high
level
of
standard
for
whatever
projects
we
take
on
in
the
future.
So
with
that,
we'll
take
any
questions.
You'd
like
to
ask
the
team.
J
J
Mr
miss
duncan
and
and
and
miss
riemer,
I'm
going
to
go
through
this
very
very
quickly.
Thank
you
for
stating
that
we
are
under
mandate
is
miss
mclean
here.
J
J
Say
that
one
more
time
how
much
fifteen
thousand
fifteen
thousand
dollars
a
day?
Thank
you
very
much.
Do
we
have
the
gentleman
that
was
from
the
states
still
on
board
with
us.
C
Councilman
I
apologize,
he
did
have
to
take
another
meeting.
Thank.
J
Yes,
sir,
it
is
so
we're
reintroducing
into
hillsborough
river
that
once
was
poopy
water,
we're
reintroducing
that
into
dirtier
water.
So
we
can
get
our
drinking
water.
J
L
Thanks
for
the
question
councilman,
I
think
that
we
can
further
refine
that
number
with
the
additional
additional
modeling
and
cost
benefit
calculations.
That
will
be
that
will
be
done
through
this
motion
today,
but
the
preliminary
analysis
that
was
done
in
the
juturo
independent
review
of
all
the
alternatives
put
the
figure,
and
I'm
just
checking
my
notes.
Right
now
with
my
colleagues.
H
This
brad
beard,
deputy
administrator
of
infrastructure,
the
combination
that
included
the
purple
pipe
system
and
to
expand
that
had
a
life
cycle,
30-year
life
cycle
cost
of
over
six
billion
dollars,
and
then
it
had
a
capital
cost
of
in
the
range
of
600
million
dollars.
I
believe
somewhere
in
that
range.
J
I
thank
you
for
that
information
brad.
Let
me
move
on
because
I
am
under
a
timer
here.
Can
you
put
that
picture
back
up
with
the
fish.
J
Oh
there's
that
one
right
there,
that
is
a
picture
and
that
picture
says
a
lot
our
economy,
part
of
it,
is
based
upon
fishing.
I'm
not
talking
about
going
out
shrimp
because
we
ended
that
in
our
bait
a
long
time
ago.
I
don't
want
to
talk
about
fishing
that
will
feed
the
masses,
but
for
me
to
go
fishing
with
a
guide
costs
750
for
the
day,
do
you
have
any
guides?
We
have
in
tampa
bay.
J
But,
more
importantly-
and
this
is
the
things
I've
I've
suggested
one
more.
Second,
we
already
put
some
water
back
into
our
aquifers.
We
already
do
that,
but
that
is
reverse
osmosis
that
is
as
pure
as
it
could
possibly
be
to
a
certain
point.
If
we're
going
to
do
this
with
this
water,
let's
do
it
with
reverse
osmosis.
That's
number
one.
We
also
have
to
discuss
how
it's
going
to
affect
our
water
bills.
B
You
I
think
it
was
mr
maniscalco
and
then
mr
vieira,
then
with
the
girls.
Was
it.
M
I
think
a
lot
has
already
been
said
so
I'll
keep
it
brief.
I
haven't
had
a
single
person
from
the
public
say
they
want
me
to
support
this
and
we
can
see
that
through
the
emails.
Actually,
I
haven't.
Had
anybody
outside
of
government
or
connected
to
government
say
they
want
me
to
support
this,
maybe
because
the
public
just
doesn't
know,
and
maybe
we
need
to
do
that
community
outreach
to
explain
to
people
what's
going
on.
M
I've
heard
reverse
osmosis
and
I've
heard
the
other
scientific
facts
that
have
been
presented
to
us
by
professionals
that
understand
how
to
how
to
purify
this
water.
So
it's
safe
for
the
people
I
see
on
one
of
your
slides
that
says,
removes
360
tons
per
year
of
nutrients
to
improve
the
sea
grass
levels.
M
When
I
was
on
the
tampa
bay
estuary
policy
board
for
five
years,
I
believe,
or
four
years
councilman
dingfield
took
over
after
me,
we
were
always
boasting
about
how
our
seagrass
levels
have
already
returned
to
1950
levels,
which
tells
me
that
the
bay
or
the
water
quality
is
already
healthy.
So
I
don't
know
what
removal
of
these
nutrients
will
do
if
we
are
allegedly
already
back
to
1950
levels,
which
is
before
so
much
pollution
was
put
out
into
the
water.
M
You
know,
I
really
don't
know
what
to
do
here,
and
I
know
this
is
a
a
huge
issue
which
would
make
us
drought
proof
for
beyond
my
lifetime,
at
least
a
generation
or
two
I
hope
to
live
to
be
a
hundred,
but
you
never
know
you
know
the
science
is
there?
M
I
don't
know
I'm
struggling
with
this
again
because
I
don't
I
haven't.
Had
anybody
from
the
public
say
you
know
please
please
put
this
forward.
Please
support
this.
I
don't
know
I
mean
I
hear
what
councilman
sietro
said.
I
I
see
I'd
be
happy
to.
L
Address
your
questions
related
to
the
the
reason
why
we
have
the
360
tons
and
then
maybe
offer
a
little
bit
of
insight
into
why
you
have
received
some
public
concern
with
with
this
process.
So
the
360
times,
we've
done
a
great
job
since
1983,
eliminating
thousands
of
tons
of
nutrients
from
the
river,
and
that
has
helped
our
seagrasses
improve
exceptionally
360
tons
a
year
is
still
a
lot
and
we
still
have
a
lot
of
improvement
that
we
can
make
towards
restoring
seagrass.
L
So
this
is
one
additional
step
when
those
algal
blooms
come
in
from
the
gulf
of
mexico
and
they
reach
things
like
either
our
discharge
places
or
tiny
point.
They
become
exacerbated
and
they
make
the
blooms
even
bigger.
So
it's
our
our
responsibility
as
environmental
storage
to
continue
to
decrease
those
point
source
nutrient
discharges
as
much
as
possible.
L
If
I
can
the
reason,
I
think
that
we
we
have
seen
some
public
concern
about
this
is
because,
frankly,
there's
been
a
lot
of
misinformation
on
what
pure
is
and
that
members
of
the
public
believe
that
there
is
already
a
specific
project
that
has
been
selected
for
construction
at
the
end
of
this,
and-
and
that
is
not
true-
that
could
not
be
further
from
the
truth.
We
have
a
suite
of
options
that
we
are
still
exploring.
L
I
just
don't
think
a
lot
of
members
of
the
public
are
emailing
saying
we.
We,
we
understand
the
science
as
it's
been
explained,
because
we
haven't
had
an
opportunity
to
go
out
there
and
fully
vet
all
of
the
combinations
and
explain
that
sufficiently
to
the
public.
M
Thank
you
very
much
so
to
wrap
it
up.
What
I'm
most
confused
is-
and
I
think
you
may
have
answered
it
quickly-
just
now.
Item
number
20
is
a
resolution
for
1.1
million
dollars
between
the
city
and
a
the
highest
bidder.
The
approved
individual
here,
pcl
construction,
but
then
you're
saying
we
need
you
to
move
forward
with
this
in
order
to
do
robust
public
engagement
and
involve
the
community
and
see
what
they
want,
but
at
the
same
time,
we're
why.
L
L
These
projects
are
complicated,
they
are
expensive
and
they
have
huge
public
health
implications
and
we
want
to
do
it
correctly
and
that
costs
money,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
we
sufficiently
reach
as
many
people
in
the
public
to
respond
to
that
incredible
engineering
that
we're
looking
at
undertaking
those
incredible
conceptual
designs
as
possible.
We
don't
want
to
shortchange
this.
The
reason
it
costs
a
million
dollars
is
because
there
are
huge
implications
here.
We
want
to
do
the
engineering,
the
science
and
the
address
the
public
health
concerns
sufficiently
and
that
costs
money.
M
L
Thank
you,
I'm
going
to
bring
up
the
timeline
here.
If
you
just
give
me
a
moment
and
and
perhaps
my
colleagues
in
the
water
department
that
have
a
better
understand.
H
There's
a
timeline,
so
the
next
vote.
Councilman.
Thank
you
for
that
question
would
be
in
the
fall
of
this
year,
where,
if
we
are
successful
in
this
next
phase
of
public
outreach
and
receiving
input
and
further
betting,
all
four
of
those
combinations,
then
we
would
hold
a
workshop
sometime
in
either
late
summer,
early
fall
or
earlier.
If
you
would
prefer
city
council
would
prefer,
with
no
vote
just
to
get
additional
input
from
the
public
and
city
council.
H
As
to
the
progress
we've
made
and
then
early
fall,
we
would
come
to
you
with
another
proposal
to
take
the
next
step
or
completion
of
the
30
design
and
completion
of
the
30
design
would
include
what
treatment
process
and
where
would
we
discharge?
If
we
choose
the
combination
that
the
discharge
is
downstream
of
the
dam,
we
would
have
to
further
design
that
or
bring
it
to
a
30
level
and
same
with
in
at
the
reservoir
as
well.
M
All
right,
thank
you
very
much.
So
what
I'll
do
is
this?
I
will.
I
will
support
this
today,
but
I
won't
give
you
a
guarantee
for
the
next
vote.
I
want
to
see
what
the
concepts
are.
I
want
to
see
the
science.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
public
hears
from
this
because,
as
I
sit
here
and
I'll
finish
with
this,
I'm
drinking
tea
out
of
an
aluminum
can
and
I'm
drinking
water
out
of
a
plastic
cup.
M
How
safe
is
that
in
the
long
run,
because
anything
can
seep
into
what
I'm
drinking
we
don't
know.
Whatever
that's
another
conversation,
I
think
we
should
look
at
this.
We
should
study
it.
You
know
approve
this
moving
forward
today,
but
at
the
same
time
ask
the
public
what
they
think
we're
getting
the
emails
against
it.
Maybe
we
need
to
help
people
understand
what
is
happening.
What
is
going
on,
because
this
is
something
that
will
affect
this
generation
the
next
generation.
M
This
is
not
an
easy
vote,
but
again
you
know.
We
know
what
a
drought
does
to
this
community.
We've
experienced
those
in
the
past
and
we
understand
the
importance
of
water,
even
though
we're
surrounded
by
water,
it's
the
quality
of
that
water
and
how
it
affects
our
population
so
I'll
stop
there.
Thank
you.
Yeah.
B
I
Thank
you,
sir,
and
very
and
very
good
questions
by
the
way
from
councilman
scalco
that
that
I
either
I
I
was
going
to
inquire
on
or
or
more
often
than
not
didn't
think
about.
So
thank
you
for
that,
sir.
You
know
I
I
come
to
this
issue
like
I,
and
I've
talked
to
I
I've
I've,
some
people
that
have
sent
us
emails,
who
I
know
have
given
them
a
call
to
talk
to
them
about
their
thoughts,
etc,
spoken
to
sierra
league
folks,
league
of
women
voters
among
other
folks.
I
come
into
this
as
a
neutral.
I
I
don't
have
an
experience
of
professionally
or
or
through
public
service
through
whatever
very
much
so
in
the
in
the
water
issue.
So
I
kind
of
come
to
this,
like
I
would
joke
with
folks
not
as
an
agnostic
but
as
a
pilgrim.
That's
a
very
weird
word,
but
in
just
in
search
of
information
and
the
biggest
thing
that
I
look
to
like,
I
always
tell
folks,
is
experts
experts,
experts.
When
I
see
the
florida
aquarium,
we
got
a
letter
and
again
just
you
know.
I
I
Okay
and
again,
and
I'll
get
to
that-
if
I
may
counsel
me
because
I
appreciate
your
saying
that,
because
one
thing
that
I
like
to
hear
and
it's
a
question
to
y'all
to
whit,
councilman
carlson
had
brought
up
other
issues
involving
alternatives.
Y'all
are
willing
to
consider
additional
alternatives.
Correct
that's
correct,
okay,
because
yeah,
because
when
I
heard
that
I
heard
councilman
carlson
mention
that
I
go
to
myself,
give
me
a
reason
as
to
why
it
would
be
unreasonable
or
unfeasible
to
look
at
other
alternatives.
I
Again,
I'm
I'm
looking
for
that
which
is
responsible,
which
is
backed
by
experts,
but
that
which
is
reasonable,
and
I'm
glad
to
hear
that,
because,
when
councilman
carlson
said
that
I
go,
I
can't
think
of
a
reason
as
to
why
we
wouldn't
look
at
other
alternatives
so
long
as
they're
credible,
which
I
would
assume
that
they
are
you
know
for
me.
Moving
forward
today
is
a
vote
for
dialogue.
I
We
hear
a
lot
of
things.
You
know
whit.
You
talked
about
misinformation.
There
is,
it
would
appear,
it
would
appear
some
things
that
are
being
said
that
I
think
god
willing
deviate
from
reality.
I
ask
people
if
we're
looking
at
a
plan
that
has
pharmaceuticals
in
the
drinking
water
etc,
wouldn't
usf.
We
are
blessed
with
wonderful
local
community
stakeholders
on
on
medical
issues
on
science,
wouldn't
they
be
up
in
arms,
I
I
would
think
so
I
would
hope
so
and
and
that's
what
we're
voting
on
today.
I
As
far
as
I
understand
it,
I've
taken
a
lot
of
time,
like
all
seven
of
us,
have,
I
think,
to
to
wrap
my
arms
around
this
issue.
What
what
bothers
me
is
a
lot
of
the
the
the
belief
out
there
that
we're
voting
on
something
that's
gonna
put
pharmaceuticals
into
drinking
water,
etc.
I
I
I
we
have
an
obligation
and
a
duty
as
elected
officials,
to
not
just
not
subsidize
misinformation,
but
to
acquire
the
information
that
we
have,
that
that
is
objective.
That
is
responsible.
I
That
is
quality
so
that
we
can
go
out
there
and
say
these
are
the
facts
as
I
understand
them,
and
this
is
what
I'm
going
to
vote
on
and
that's
what
I've
been
trying
to
do.
You
know
in
councilman
maniscalco.
I
thought
you
spoke
very
very
well,
because
politics
is
politics
right.
The
politics
of
this
would
be
great
to
go.
Nope
pharmaceuticals
in
the
drinking
water
toilet
water
no
way
come
help
me
lead
the
charge.
That'd
probably
be
the
right
political
thing
to
do.
I
You
go
talk
to
a
political
consultant
from
james
carville
to
karl
rove,
to
somebody
locally.
They'll
probably
tell
you
that,
but
for
me
I
think
we
have
a
higher
duty
to
do
that,
which
is
the
responsible
thing,
the
responsible
thing
and
today,
as
councilman
maniscalco
correctly
said
we're
not
voting
on
an
option.
We're
voting
on
a
dialogue
about
what
we're
ultimately
going
to
do
to
dis
to
address
what
appears
to
be
a
significant
crisis
locally.
I
I'm
looking
for
that
and
again,
I'm
very
glad
to
see
that
y'all
are
taking
the
the
suggestions
with
additional
options
that
sets
my
mind
at
ease
because
again
I
I
have
no
dog
in
this
fight
right
and
when
I
go
okay,
two
options
gonna
limit
it
there.
Why
not
look
at
other
ones
if
they're
well
informed,
etc?
So
so
that's
something
that
I
like
to
see,
etc.
So,
just
again,
my
no
dog
in
the
fight
thoughts.
Thank
you.
F
Yeah
just
to
respond
slightly
to
my
colleague
just
now,
and
I
appreciate
all
the
questions
and
everything
everybody's
asked.
You
know
I
went
to
graduate
school,
you
know
you
all
have
higher
education.
F
F
Blackboard
and
blackboard
of
numbers,
crunching
numbers
on
things
and
then
there's
an
economist
equally
trained,
that's
doesn't
agree
with
them
and
it
comes
up
with
pages
and
pages
of
numbers
and
with
a
different
answer,
and
what
I
realize
in
talking
to
these
experts
and
scientists
is
every
scientific
analysis
is
biased
by
the
model
that
you
start
with
and
and
the
whole
my
whole
concern.
All
along
is
not
that
I'm
opposed
to
drinking
potty
water.
F
If
it's
done
in
the
right
way.
My
my
objection
is
that
it
seems
like
the
water
department
for
years
and
years
and
years
has
been
pushing
one
choice
and
the
particular
configuration
they're.
Putting
is
an
experimental
configuration
that
hasn't
been
used
in
other
places,
and
so
my
concern
especially
going
to
this
meeting
is
that
now
we're
down
to
two
and
we
didn't
even
listen
to
the
public.
A
few
questions
real
fast
and
a
couple
wrap
up
comments.
Have
you
and
just
quick
question
answer?
F
Anyway,
just
please
think
about
that.
Also,
if
you
haven't
already
it,
I
heard
that
not
every
county
commissioner
knows
that
that
this
might
it
might
affect
the
county
and
their
constituents.
So
I
think
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
include
them
in
it
whit.
I
appreciate
you
and
gene
have
been
brought
into.
F
You
guys
are,
are
very
well
versed
and
you're
trying
to
bring
objectivity
this,
and
I
appreciate
that
I
know
chief
of
staff
is
as
well
and
but
one
of
the
things
you
said
a
minute
ago,
if
I
heard
you
right
is
that
is
that
the
water
that,
when
you're
answering
councilman
or
situation,
the
water
that
goes
into
that
that
you're
put
we're
putting
into
the
bay
is
cleaner
than
the
water?
That's
in
that
we're
taking
out
of
the
river.
F
Well,
that's
true,
is
that
true,
so,
but
then
you
talk
about
all
the
nutrients
that
we're
putting
in.
Yes,
environments
would
like
the
nutrients
out,
but
the
water.
What
you're
saying
is
that
the
water
we're
putting
in
the
bay
is
cleaner
than
the
water.
That's
coming
to
the
bay
from
the
river,
and,
if
that's
true,
then
it
must
be
a
beneficial
use,
so
I
don't
buy
the
idea
that
we
have
to
do
this.
We
could.
We
could
apply
for
a
an
exemption
under
this.
F
What
we
need
to
do
is,
I
think,
be
a
good
regional
partner
and
be
honest
and
open
with
the
public.
Also,
please
don't
forget
the
seminole
heights
people
who
are
worried
about
their
wells,
also
in
terms
of
the
numbers
the
number
just
came
out
a
minute
ago:
6.3
billion
dollars
or
whatever
it
was
for
purple
pipes.
So
that's
the
reason
we
can't
do
it
we're
going
to
eliminate
the
original
alternatives,
we're
going
to
eliminate
several
options
because
they're
too
expensive
well
in
the
media
this
week,
in
the
times
the
water
department
said.
F
F
One
of
the
things
that
was
not
included
in
the
model
was,
if
we
passed
an
ordinance
to
say:
if
you
have
access
to
purple
pipes,
you
have
to
use
it,
and
if
that
was
in
there,
then
it
would
reduce
the
cost
of
it,
because
we'd
have
additional
revenues,
and
so
the
modeling
has
to
be
done
in
an
objective
way.
Is
my
point
and
then
you
know
we
talked
about
the
public
being
confused
by
this
they're,
not
confused.
They
read
the
they
read
sire.
F
F
If
you're
going
from
five
alternatives,
we
should
have
had
more
than
five.
Why
is
it
that
direct
potable
use
going
to
the
with
tempe?
What
are
going
to
desal
plant
is
not
an
option?
Why
is
it
that
buying
from
tambuwal
is
not
an
option?
Why
is
it?
Why
is
it
that
selling
this
water,
as
is
to
tampei
water,
polk
county
or
somebody,
is
not
an
option?
F
We
all
all
these
options
should
be
included
and
they
should
be
looked
at,
but
the
the
document
that
we're
supposed
to
prove
today
does
not
include
that
and
and
now
you're
saying
that
it
will,
and
I
really
appreciate
you
all
changing
on
the
fly,
but
you
have
to
understand
that
that
that
I
and
the
public
would
be
confused
by
that.
Also,
I
remember
several
months
ago,
a
year
ago,
you
all
came
to
us
and
said:
give
us
650,
000
and
and
we'll
do
public
engagement.
F
F
Here's
the
last
thing
I'll
say
if,
if
it,
if,
if
you
can
put
in
writing
that
it's
going
to
include
all
alternatives
more
than
just
the
five
or
six,
and
if
you
take
out
the
construction
company
and
just
make
it
about
public
engagement
I'll
make
the
motion
for
it,
but
as
long
as
it's
about
design
build-
and
we
don't
have
in
writing
that
that
we're
going
to
do
robust
public
engagement-
and
we
don't
have
in
writing
that
we're
going
to
look
at
all
the
alternatives,
I'm
not
going
to
vote
for
it.
I
want
to.
E
Thank
you,
mr
carlson.
I
agree
with
a
a
lot
of
what
you
said:
let's
back
up
a
little
bit
because
you
know
in
order
to
make
these
really
tough
decisions
and
and
mr
vieira,
I
do
have
a
little
bit
of
background,
not
only
as
a
scientist
from
when
I
was
young,
but
also
doing
water
litigation
for
hillsborough
county.
I
actually
litigated
on
behalf
of
the
county
of
anyway
a
long
time
ago,
but
the
bottom
line
is
what
what
what
are
we
looking
at
here?
E
Well,
the
first
thing
we're
looking
at
is
future
water
shortages.
Okay,
that
is,
we've
got
hundreds
of
thousands
of
people
coming
in.
You
know
to
the
area,
as
you
mentioned
bill.
Not
only
do
we
provide
water
to
the
city,
but
we
haven't.
We
have
additional
customers
out
in
in
the
county,
on
the
edges
of
the
city
and
and
and
that
number
is
growing
and
growing
and
growing
and
the
region's
growing
and
growing
growing.
E
G
E
Okay,
I
I
think
we've
done
a
lousy
job
in
the
state
of
florida,
and
I
just
looked
it
up.
The
average
use
in
the
state
of
florida
is
90
per
capita
is
96
gallons
per
day,
okay
and
elsewhere
in
the
country.
I
see
numbers
in
half
of
that
in
the
state
of
florida.
We
just
aren't
particularly
good
at
that
in
the
hillsborough
county.
Excuse
me,
the
city
of
tampa
and
hillsborough
county
aren't
much
better.
E
No
you're,
not
you're,
not
jumping
in.
Let
me
finish
you
can
you
can
rebut
afterwards
with
the
the
bottom
line?
The
bottom
line
is-
and
this
is
why
you
don't
want
to
jump
in
with
today.
I
will
support
the
mayor's
request.
Okay,
I'll
support
the
mayor's
request
for
two
two
big
reasons:
number
one:
the
people
who've
really
put
a
lot
of
time
into
this.
E
E
Okay,
I
think
that
that
speaks
to
one
of
your
concerns
bill
that
and-
and
I
don't
need
it
in
writing-
we
work
with
these
people
that
day
in
and
day
out,
if
gene
says
that
they're
going
to
expand
the
alternatives,
okay
in
a
meaningful
way,
I
trust
her.
You
know
she's
a
person
of
her
word
and,
and
she
speaks
on
behalf
of
the
mayor
so
between
those
two.
E
Thank
you
between
those
two
reasons,
very
important
reasons:
I'll
support
the
million-dollar
commitment
today,
okay,
but,
as
mr
maniscalco
said,
there's
no
commitment
beyond
that.
I
don't
think
for
many
of
us.
We
have
to
see
what
the
public
reaction
is
six
months
from
now
after
they
get
some
really
meaningful
engagement.
E
You
know,
hopefully
from
the
city
and
from
the
consultant
and
then
evaluate
you
know
where
we
are
in
the
come
this
summer.
So
that's
it.
Thank
you,
mr
take.
B
G
G
The
only
way
you're
going
to
have
conservation
is
by
changing
your
rules
and
regulations
on
what
you
plant
and
how
much
you
have
frontage.
We
changed.
I
don't
know
if
you
hear
mr
dickfilter
the
size
of
lawns,
you
can
have
in
the
new
house
only
70
percent,
I
think
or
80
of
the
space
where
you
could
have
launched
that
would
change
about
eight
or
ten
years
ago.
The
pure
project
is
now
into
tampa
bay.
G
G
I've
got
nothing
but
sand,
which
I
put
a
portable
liner
through,
in
fact
that
liner's
got
to
be
replaced
now,
because
if
I
write
it
out
where
the
water
goes
through
and
down
and
knock
out
rocks,
yes,
I
can
paint
the
rocks
green
and
say
I
got
green
rocks,
but
I
want
to
spend
the
money
painting
the
rocks
green,
so
I
got
rocks.
G
G
Yes,
I
live
alone,
but
still
one
unit
of
water.
That's
and
I
do
all
my
laundry-
I
don't
send
it
out.
So
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is
conservation
is
the
key
to
preservation
is
a
key
to
spending
less
money.
So
if
everyone
was
to
follow
their
own
rules,
not
mine
or
we
got
the
guts
to
say,
you're
not
going
to
plant
no
more
grass,
some
of
you
won't
get
elected
people
like
green
grass.
G
G
Of
course,
you're
gonna
do
better,
but
you
know
what
we
trained
ourselves
to
be:
damn
lazy.
All
I
was
have
and
we
lived
a
life
of
glory
and
we
blame
the
environment.
No,
we
created
the
environment,
we're
creating
our
own
downfall
and
everything
we
do
so
just
change
your
lifestyle
and
you'll
be
much
better
off
this
problem
wouldn't
be
here.
If
it
was,
we
hadn't
changed
our
lifestyle.
G
Do
you
think
that
the
electric
car
is
going
to
come
just
think
about
revolution,
we'll
be
in
the
next
10
years?
There'll
be
more
changes
more
inventions,
including
batteries
and
everything
else,
and
it
has
been
in
the
last
100
years
we're
going
to
have
a
life
change
cycle,
whether
we
want
it
or
not,
because
the
environment
cannot
sustain
what
we
are
doing
to
it
period.
G
When
you
look
at
the
poles,
north
and
south
and
you
look
under
the
amounts
of
snow
or
ice
whatever's
in
you
get
down
to
the
ice,
there
are
pockets
down
there.
I
think
I
said
once
before
I
was
watching
the
channels
that
I've
been
watching.
Now
I
got
rid
of
all
the
channels.
G
G
G
B
B
I
was
hesitant
about
supporting
this,
but
I'm
I'm
listening
and
thank
you,
mr
miranda,
for
your
comments
earlier,
because
you
you
tell
it
and
tell
the
public
how
it
should
be,
what
we're
doing
but
central.
Thank
you
for
telling
what
you're
saying
we're
bringing
in
some
dirty
stuff
we
clean
and
we
throw
it
back
out
and
it
comes
back
in.
B
And
what
upsets
me
with
government
and
with
staff
and
mr
carlson?
It
goes
back
to
you
with
communicating
to
the
public
you
all
you
guys
always
see
me
talking
about
fear
people
feel
they
don't
know,
people
feel
what
they
don't
think
father
and
that's
why
we
come
to
these
type
of
situations.
Each
fighting
range,
because
people
are
fearful.
B
B
C
B
B
B
I
hate
that
and
if
I
was
a
police
officer,
I
just
couldn't
go
to
nobody
to
give
them
a
lot
of
garbage.
I
had
to
tell
them
the
truth
here.
It
is.
This
is
what
happened.
This
is
why
I
got
to
do
what
I
got
to
do.
This
is
why
we're
having
this
situation
and
we
have
to
stop
treating
the
public
that
way
and
we
won't
have
these
kind
of
issues
and
we're
just
up
front
with
them,
be
up
front.
B
B
B
When
we
run
for
office,
we
knock
on
doors
right
he's
the
dean
father.
We
engage
the
public.
I
talk
about
that
with
the
rehab
program.
You
need
to
knock
on
door,
same
concept,
I'm
not
being
angry,
I'm
being
passionate
about
what
we
have
to
do
for
our
citizens,
to
give
them
the
knowledge
and
to
know
to
know-
and
they
won't
be
angry
with
this
thing-
we're
wasting
their
dollars
or
just
throwing
something
down
their
throats.
B
Tell
them
what
they
need
to
know
right
now:
we're
cleaning
toilet
water
now
we're
doing
whatever
we
need
to
do,
and
that's
going
to
be
the
process
where
we
got
a
better
process
to
clean
the
potty
water,
then
so
be
it.
But
you
got
to
be
able
to
engage
the
public
I'll
end
on
that
we
have
items,
number
20,
21,
22
and
23..
Is
there
a
motion
on
that
from
mr
dean
for
the
chair.
G
E
Okay,
with
an
amendment
to
the
the
existing
contract
to
raise
the
additional
alternatives.
Ms.
C
Yes,
sir,
I
confirm
the
request
from
council
regarding
amending
the
contract,
analyzing
all
the
alternatives,
bringing
that
information
back
to
a
workshop
later
this
spring
late
spring
or
fall
we'll
plan
on
that
funds
as
we
go
forward
and
we're
going
to
continue
to
earn
every
vote
that
we
seek
from
this
board.
C
We've
shown
that
in
the
last
two
discussions
with
you
that
we've
modified
our
steps,
we're
planning
to
take
to
accommodate
your
interest
in
the
public's
interest
and
we
fully
appreciate
and
hold
it
in
high
regard,
trust
and
confidence
that
you
do
have
in
us,
but
we're
going
to
work
every
day
to
make
sure
that
we
maintain
that
of
confidence
and
trust
and
be
as
transparent
as
possible.
So
thank
you.
So
much
I'd
like
to
see.
B
E
I
Very
briefly,
if
I
may,
I
want
to
just
for
the
sake
of
the
public,
because
we
had
so
many
emails
and
and
and
folks
come
that
again.
What
we're
voting
on
here
today
is
for
engagement
and
for
a
number
of
options,
an
expanded
number
of
options
compared
to
what
was
there
before,
to
be
vetted
vetted,
not
only
through
the
the
professional
process
but,
as
councilman
dingfelder
said
correctly,
an
engagement
with
the
public.
That's
what
we're
voting
on
today.
I
say
that
because
again
there
were
a
number
of
allegations
made
in
emails.
I
What
I
would
suggest
to
folks
is
you
you
want
to
discuss
this
I'd,
be
more
than
happy
to
have
a
meeting
with
anybody
who
wants
to
discuss
this
with
city
staff
so
that
we
can
acquire
the
information.
When
I
say
we
I
mean
myself
included
because
again,
I'm
not
an
expert
on
this
issue.
I
make
inquiries,
because
I
want
the
information,
so
I
can
make
an
informed
vote.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
think
the
legend
has
something
he
wants
to
say.
Jeremy.
G
I
believe,
there's
going
to
be
some
changes,
there's
going
to
be
a
visitor
center,
am
I
correct,
chuck
and
brad
that's
correct
and
the
water
department,
and
and
have
a
process
where
they
can
tour
and
see
what
happens
and
how
these
things
have
come
about,
and
really
we
should
do
the
same
thing:
to
show
the
public
what
happens
at
the
tertiary
treatment
plant
and
how
that
process
goes
on.
It
should
be
an
education
for
all
of
us,
not
for
me
for
any,
but
for
all
of
us
to
understand
what
we
are
doing.
G
This
is
their
plant.
This
is
their
chemicals.
This
is
their
life
and
this
thing
has
got
to
be
shown
to
the
public,
and
I
know
that
it's
difficult
to
take
400
000
people.
I
don't
expect
400
000
people
to
go,
but
I
expect
some
people
to
say
I
want
to
go
on
that
tour
and
you
sign
up
the
bus,
picks
you
up
and
takes
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,.
J
J
You
very
much-
and
I
I
I
just
have
to
say
this-
this
is
the
this-
is
some
work
that
we
were
going
to
have
to
do
with
the
people
that
are
moving
into
this
area.
This
is
work
we
were
going
to
have
to
do,
but
it
has
been
expedited
by
the
tallahassee
that
has
mandated
that
we
do
this.
This
is
just
more
overriding
of
local
rule.
F
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
say
I'm
respectfully
going
to
have
to
vote
no
because
it
still
is
led
by
a
construction
company
and
design
the
terms
with
design
build,
but
I
want
to
say
that
I
very
much
appreciate
wit
and
and
gene
and
the
mayor
and
chief
of
staff
and
anybody
who
was
involved.
F
This
is
a
in
my
opinion,
there's
a
completely
different
discussion
than
the
ones
we've
had
before,
and
I
hopefully
this
is
the
the
starter
reset
of
an
open,
transparent
effort
in
communicating
with
the
public
in
an
open,
transparent
way.
Looking
at
all
the
alternatives,
not
even
just
the
ones
that
have
been
on
the
table,
and
I
I
take
gene
and
with
it
their
word
also
that
they're
going
to
do
a
good
job
here.
F
We
really
have
the
chance
to
build
trust
with
the
community,
and
I
appreciate
so
much
the
new,
the
new
attitude
and
new
direction,
and
I
I
even
though
I'll
vote
against
it.
I
of
course
wish
you
success
for
the
community
and
I
hope
that
by
the
next
time,
I'll
be
able
to
vote.
Yes.
Thank
you.
K
B
N
A
A
J
A
I
I
do
not
believe,
though
we
are
still
investigating
that,
but
we
don't
think
that
it
will
affect
ours.
J
I
I
sincerely
hope
that
you
are
correct
and
enough
with
preemption.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
G
G
No
president
presidents
can't
blame
and
sometimes
lose
the
presidency
because
they
they
give
them
the
the
bad
thing
that
they
control
the
price
of
gasoline.
They
do
not
no
matter
if
you're
republican,
democrat
or
independent,
you
cannot
control
the
price
of
gas.
So
therefore,
I'm
going
to
respectfully
vote
no,
because
I
don't
have
the
and
you
can
check
all
the
residents.
I
have
run
a
trust
and
the
trust
anytime.
You
want
to
see
what
I
charge
or
the
trust
charges
you're
welcome
to
look
at
it.
B
E
I
I
I'm
not
going
to
support
the
ordinance
this
time,
I've,
given
it
a
lot
of
additional
thought.
The
the
two
two
prongs
of
the
sort.
This
ordinance
is
this
notification
of
of
the
tenants
rights.
That's
the
first
part
in
terms
of
a
piece
of
paper
or
some
sort
of
documentation
about.
You
know
to
tell
the
tenants
you
know
what
their
rights
are
and
that
sort
of
thing
I
think
we
could
do
that.
You
know
on
our
website
or
or
through
other
means,
as
opposed
to
creating
a
whole
nother
bureaucracy.
E
Trying
to
figure
out
did
the
landlord
give
them
the
paper.
Did
they
sign
it?
Did
they
stick
it
away
in
their
file,
etc,
and
then,
and
then,
what
do
we
do
when
they
didn't
that's
number
one
and
then
the
second
part
of
this
is
basically
insinuating
a
mandate
that
that
people
have
to
accept
secondary
vouchers.
E
Even
if
we,
I
think,
even
if
we
adopt
it-
and
we
say
that
that's
the
case-
I
think
it's
a
fiction
and
I
think
I
don't
like
to
operate
in
a
fictional
world,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
no
landlord
has
to
abide
by
the
rules
and
regulations
of
the
of
the
hud
and
the
housing
department
and
take
on
section
8.
Even
if
we
say
they
even
if
they
say
they
can't
discriminate
well
sure
they
can't
discriminate,
and
we
all
agree
with
that,
but
they
can
say
from
a
financial
or
business
perspective.
E
B
E
A
A
G
B
Right,
mr
miranda
seconded
local.
J
A
N
Quasi
judicial,
but
is
there
another
motion,
that's
in
order.
The
motion
did
fail
and
it's
on
for
second
reading
and
adoption
all
right.
So
I
just
want
to
be
clear
that
normally,
if
it
was
a
quasi-judicial
matter
in
order
for
council
to
take
action
right,
something
that's
before
it,
it
requires
a
vote
of
four.
N
G
Not
a
lawyer,
and
I'm
not,
I
think
this
is
a
separate.
This
is
not
a
land
zoning
where
you
have
to
answer
to
waivers
and
all
that
this
is
just
an
up
or
down
motion
for
second
reading
and
I'm
not
you
may
ask.
Maybe
we
can
get
I'm
not
questioning
this
attorney's
ability.
A
N
N
Where
it
is,
I
understand
what
you're
saying-
and
this
is
this
is
certainly
a
legislative
matter.
It
did
not
pass
and
and
we'll
let
the
the
record
reflect
the
council
did
not
vote
in
favor
of
it.
That's
it.
The
motion
did
not
pass
well.
H
Yeah
ross
simmons
development
coordination
presenting
item
number
71,
vac
21-11
sword
is
being
presented
for
second
reading
adoption.
It's
an
ordinance,
vacating
and
closing
discontinuing
and
advancing
right
away
located
south
of
oakwood
avenue
north
of
ocean
view,
place
east
of
cxx
railroad
right
of
way
and
west
of
20th
street
within
the
plot
of
edward
park
and
subdivision
in
the
city
of
tampa
staff
is
available.
If
you
have
any
questions.
B
F
Yes,
sir,
I'd
like
to
move
file,
number
vac,
21-11
ordinance
being
presented
for
second
reading
adoption,
ordinance,
vacating,
closing,
discontinue
or
abandoning
a
right-of-way
alleyway
located
south
of
oakwood
avenue
north
of
ocean
view,
place
east
of
the
csx
railroad
right
away
and
west
of
the
20th
street
west
of
20th
street
within
the
platte
of
edgewater
park
subdivision
in
the
city
of
tampa
hillsborough
county
florida
as
more
particular,
more
fully
described
in
section
one
heroes,
subject
to
certain
covenants
conditions
and
restrictions
as
more
particularly
set
forth
herein
and
providing
an
effective
date.
Second,.
M
J
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair
and
council.
If
I
could,
my
first
motion
is
to
move
to
have
staff
report
on
the
implications
of
the
passage
of
senate
bill,
620,
local
business
protection
act
and
the
house
companion
bills
house
bill
403
and
569.
J
B
All
right
consecutive
by
mr
team,
father
on
favorite
all
right
in
the
polls-
I'm
sorry
can
I
have
that
date.
J
Sorry,
the
u.s
office
of
representatives
and
taplin's
own
congresswoman,
kathy
caster,
shared
a
work
plan
regarding
the
distribution
distributions
of
monies
from
the
bipartisan
infrastructure,
investment
and
jobs
act.
This
money
will
help
modernize
our
infrastructure
help
our
competitive
edge
in
the
world
marketplace,
create
paying
jobs,
improve
our
communities
through
smart
investment
and
growth.
I
want
to
check
with
our
administration
to
see
how
we
are
going
to
go
after
some
of
these
funds
that
we
so
that
we
can
help
important
projects
and
improve
the
lives
of
tempenos.
J
This
motion
is
for
city
staff,
to
report
to
the
city
of
tampa's
f,
on
the
city
of
tampa's
efforts
to
apply
for
funding
through
the
infrastructure,
investment
act
and
jobs
act
and
into
what
projects
the
city
would
potentially
prioritize
the
utilization
of
this
funding
again.
Can
we
have
that
on
the
same
march,
17th.
B
Miss
debbie,
you
said
was
somebody
down
there.
Anybody
registered
medical
clerk,
no
one
is
registered.
Mr
matt
randle
has
moved
to
close
same
with
matt
scalco.
All
in
favor
aye
opposed
motion.
Granted
things
fall
there.
E
All
right,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
in
regard
to
file
bac
21-17
I'll
move
the
following
ordinance
for
second
reading
and
adoption,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
tampa
florida,
vacating
closing
discontinuing
and
abandoning
a
right-of-way
alleyway
located
south
of
forest
avenue,
north
of
columbus
drive,
east
of
talifaro
avenue
and
west
of
mitchell
avenue
within
the
platte
of
centralia.
E
A
subdivision
in
the
city
of
tampa
hillsborough
county
florida
is
more
fully
described
in
section
one:
heroes,
subject
to
certain
covenants
conditions
and
restrictions,
as
moore
particularly
set
forth
herein,
providing
for
enforcement
and
penalties
for
violation,
providing
for
definitions,
interpretations
and
repealing
conflicts,
providing
conseverability
and
providing
an
effective
date.
Okay,.
B
A
H
H
My
god,
sorry,
okay,
the
applicant,
is
requesting
to
vacate
the
alley
located
at
3120.
West
braddock
street
valley
live
south
of
braddock
street
north
of
leroy
street
and
runs
from
photons
avenue
to
mcdo
avenue.
This
alley
is
located
south
of
raymond
j
stadium
and
tampa
his
application
was
filed,
916
2021,
the
apple
knows
the
parcel
of
the
north
side
of
the
alley
requested
to
be
vacated.
H
H
Epic
request
to
vacate
the
alley
located:
3120
west
braddock
street,
the
right-of-way
existing
is
300
square
feet.
It's
unimproved
grass
does
not
show
any
apparent
use
by
buying
owners
is
completely
fenced
at
the
west
end
and
partially
fenced.
At
the
east
end,
existing
wastewater
facilities
are
within
the
alley
and
require
easement
with
condition
that
no
structures
except
fencing,
be
constructed
within
the
easton
area.
H
H
N
Chairman,
I'm
sorry
I'm
sorry,
mr
dingfield.
I
just
want
to
inform
city
council
that
I
I
don't
see
there's
anybody
registered
for
this
is
that
correct.
Madam
clerk.
N
Registered
for
this
item-
and
I
was
informed
downstairs
that
the
applicant
was
present
today
but
is
not
present
now
for
the
hearing,
so
I
just
want
to
bring
that
to
council's
attention.
E
My
question
was
for
ross
ross.
Could
you
go
back
to
the
the
map
that
shows
sure.
E
E
Okay
and
then
do
you
have
a
shot
from
the
mcdill
side.
Yes,
here,
okay,
it's
a
little
hard
to
hard
to
see.
What's
going
on
there,
can
you
zoom
that
a
little
bit
or
so
my
my
question?
Is
you
state
the
justification
for
vacating
is
the
fact
that
there's
a
fence
on
the
end,
but
right
now
I'd
say
that's
an
illegal
offense.
E
Okay,
do
we
know
what
the
status
is
up
and
down
up
and
down
the
there?
I
don't
want
you
to
have
to
jump
in
and
wrestle
with
alligators,
but
but
were
you
able
to
walk
in
there
or
anything
or
or
what.
H
E
Okay,
so
there's
no
indication
that
anybody's
ever
used
this
no
tire
tracks,
no,
no,
nothing,
and
how
about
the
west
tampa
overlay
west
tampa
folks
seem
to
feel
strongly
about
preserving
and
using
their
alleys.
Is
this
in
the
west
tampa
overlay.
E
H
Sure
and
that's
the
reason
I
always
wanted
to
show
this-
these
previously
vacated
alleys
within
this
flat
in
in
close
vicinity
in
certain
blocks.
H
Yeah
they're
still
considered
open
alleyways.
E
B
All
ross,
we
don't
have
the
applicant
here
from
mr
shelby
there's
no
one
on
the
second
floor,
we'll
make
sure
we're
on
the
second
floor
and
then
one
right
should
correct
all
right.
All
right.
Moving
close.
G
G
Seventy-Three
seventy-three,
okay,
seventy-three,
I'm
sorry,
seventy-three
file,
number
vac,
19-16
orders
being
presented
for
first
reading
consideration
an
order
is
vacating
closing
discontinuing
abandoning
a
portion
of
right-of-way
alley
located
south
of
radix
street
north
of
leroy
street
each
of
matanzas
avenue
and
west
of
mcniel
avenue
within
the
plaid
of
john
h,
drew
first
extension,
a
subdivision,
the
city
of
tampa
hillsborough
county
florida,
it's
more
particularly
describing
sexual
one
thereof,
subject
to
certain
covenants
conditions.
Restrictions
are
more
particularly
set
forth,
wherein
providing
an
effective
date.
N
Yes,
if
we
could
ask
staff
to
reach
out
to
the
applicant,
please
because
of
the
fact
that
they
need
to
be
notified,
they
will
not.
They
are
not
going
to
be
here
unless
they're
watching
it
of
when
the
second
reading
and
the
public
hearing
is.
This
was
only
for
first
reading
consideration.
The
adoption
public
hearing
will
be
coming
back
and
I
would
ask
that
staff
reach
out
to
the
applicant
to
ensure
that
that
applicant
is
aware
of
that,
and
hopefully
we'll
be
here.
F
A
B
G
B
All
right,
all
in
favor,
all
right
can
you
pose.
B
You
know
I'm
tired
man,
number
78.
E
B
L
E
E
So,
chief,
let
me
let
me
cut
to
the
cut
to
the
chase
or
all
ch,
all
the
chiefs
and
and
ms
sullivan,
so
the
discussion
we
had
a
couple
of
months
ago-
or
I
guess
back
in
august-
that
initiated
this
motion
from
my
perspective
was
I
got
the
memo.
E
It
says
we
offer
services,
okay,
but
I
just
wonder-
and
I
know
it's
a
sensitive
subject
with
with
the
with
the
various
departments,
as
well
as
with
the
unions
and
and
the
and
the
employees
themselves,
but
I
just
wonder
is:
is:
are
there
certain
situations,
certain
activities
that
sort
of
thing
that
that
will
automatically
trigger
a
mandatory?
E
You
know
mental
health
assistance
to
the
employees,
in
other
words
and
councilman
goods.
You've
told
us
about
it,
but
you
you
see
traumatic
things.
You
deal
with
traumatic
things
you
know.
Is
there?
Is
there
anything
in
our
rules,
regs
or
or
what
have
you
that
would
trigger
and
say
you
know
just
like
just
like
the
use
of
a
weapon,
the
use
of
a
weapon,
the
person
goes
on
automatically
until
the
investigation's
over,
etc,
etc.
Do
we
have
anything,
you
know
triggering
mechanisms,
that's
related.
O
Okay,
I
can,
I
can
start
first
good
afternoon,
councilman
barbara
tripp
temple
fire
rescue.
So
speaking
on
the
fire
department.
Have
you
know
we?
We
are
exposed
to
a
lot
of
critical
and
tragic
incidents,
and
in
situations
like
that,
we
automatically
initiate
the
critical
incident.
Stress
debriefing
team
in
which
the
crews
would
be
debriefed,
and
then
we
will
have
what
we
will
defuse
and
then
we
will
have
a
debriefing
throughout
that
we
will
do
some
evaluation
of
the
peers.
O
O
You
know
to
give
to
family
to
actually
to
have
more
eyes
on
that
individual
because
they've
been
exposed
to
you
know
an
abnormal
situation,
and
sometimes
their
reaction
can
be
normal
to
an
abnormal
situation.
So
with
that
being
said,
once
we
do
that
debriefing,
we
monitor
the
individuals
and
if
they
need
additional
assistance,
we
make
the
appropriate
recommendations.
So
that's
part
of
what
fire
does
whenever
it
comes
to
a
situation
like
that,
as
well
as
being
an
officer.
O
All
of
the
officers
in
the
station
have
personnel
to
make
sure
they're
fit
for
duty,
and
if
the
individual
is
not
fit
for
duty,
they
make
additional
recommendations
to
administration
for
them
to
seek
help
and,
of
course,
hr
can
fill
in
as
far
as
the
different
services
that
we
have
the
eap
we
have
the
wellness
center.
So
we
have
additional
resources
out
there.
You
know
to
provide
it
voluntary,
as
well
as
mandatory.
E
Chief
thanks
for
that
just
one
last
question:
is
there:
is
there
any
tool
or
mechanism
rule
or
what?
Whatever
else
that
you
feel
the
department
could
use
to
again?
This
is
all
about
helping.
You
know,
helping
our
employees.
You
know
get
get
through
those
difficult
times
so
and
making
sure
they
do,
because
I'm
sure
there's
a
lot
of
macho
out
there
or
whatever
the
female
version
of
macho
is,
and
you
know
where
they
they
might
not
want
to.
They
might
resist.
E
It's
important
to
the
to
the
individual
and
it's
important
to
the
community
that
they
that
they
get
help
and
and
and
and
the
same
with
tpd,
but
anyway,
anything
any
tools,
mechanisms
or
whatever
that
that
you'd
like
to
see
added
to
what
you
have
right
now.
O
Sir,
at
the
moment,
I
think
we're
fine,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
resources.
We
have
the
francis
center
and
friends
and
center.
You
know
the
operation
restore
you
know,
so
we
have
a
lot
of
different
that
if
individuals
don't
want
to
get
when
I
say
their
employer
involved
in
the
employee
can
actually
go
out
on
their
own
and
seek
that
additional
assistance.
At
the
moment,
okay
and
I
can
speak
for
fire
since
I've
been
in
this
position,
I
haven't
had
anyone
in
particular
or
any
individual
that
need
additional
assistance.
P
Council,
chair
goods
is
correct
about
the
fitness
for
duty
and
what
you
may
not
know
council
is
we've
expanded
our
mandatory
use
before.
If
you
were
involved
in
a
deadly
force
situation,
we
would
mandate
a
psychological
screening.
Now,
we've
expanded
that
to
if
you
were
in
a
near
deadly
force
situation
as
opposed
to
just
being
in
a
deadly
force
and
we've
added
on
a
mandatory
45-day
follow-up.
On
top
of
that.
So
that's
it's
mandatory.
P
There's
no
option
there
so
that,
in
addition
to
the
fitness
for
duty,
the
pre-employment
and
then
psychological
screening
for
certain
specialty,
squats
and
certain
ones
like
our
internet
crimes
against
children,
we
mandate
that
they
go
every
year.
So
that's
not
optional
and
a
couple
other
things
that
we
highlighted.
Our
memo
that
I
wanted
to
just
bring
to
a
point
is
chief
tripp
mentioned
operation
restore.
P
But
in
addition
to
that,
we
have
a
partnership
with
the
crisis
center
of
tampa
bay
and
they
have
a
lifeline
support
for
first
responders
in
crisis,
and
they
can
call
that
number
and
speak
to
somebody
trained
to
deal
with
a
first
responder
in
that
imminent
crisis,
and
then
the
the
last
question
you
say
is:
do
we
have
everything
we
need
at
this
time?
We
think
we
would
but
we're
partnering
with
bja's
balor
program
and
they're
assisting
us
and
going
through
and
giving
us
technical
assistance
and
training.
E
Okay
and
thank
you
chief,
thank
you
both
chiefs.
A
little
birdie
tells
me
that
sometimes
it
can
take
months
in
order
to
get
seen.
You
know
by
the
the
various
psychologists
or
psychiatrists
or
counselors
that
are
available.
I
don't
know
if
either
chief
has
heard
about
those
delays,
I
can't
swear
to
them,
but
that's
just
what
a
little
birdie
just
came
and
whispered
in
my
ear
but
miss
perhaps
ms
sullivan,
do
you
have
anything
to
help
us
on
that?
One.
P
O
A
Thank
you.
It
said
it
was
muted
by
the
organizer,
but
thank
you
kimberly,
sullivan
employee
relations
manager.
I
can
speak
for
of
the
entire
city,
but
primarily.
A
A
To
take
advantage
of
the
eap
program.
E
Mr
chairman,
I'm
good
for
for
today,
thanks
to
all
three
of
you
and
excellent
reports
and
sounds
like
everybody's
on
top
of
it
and
we
all
care
about
our
employees
and
obviously
you
do
too
so.
M
General
comment:
you
know
in
regards
to
mental
health
in
general,
I
think
we
we
need
to
eliminate
the
stigma
that
that
it's
not
okay,
to
say
that
you
need
help
or
that
someone
is
struggling.
I
know
that
the
services
are
here
offered
to
all
city
employees
and
police
and
fire,
and
we
appreciate
you
being
here,
but
I
think
the
message
that
that
needs
to
be
put
out
there
is
that
you
no
matter
who
you
are
no
matter,
how
tough
you
think.
M
You
are
no
matter
if
you're
worried
about
criticism,
whatever
it's
okay,
to
ask
for
help,
there's
nothing
more
important
than
than
your
health,
and
especially
your
mental
health,
because
people
go
through
a
lot
of
stressful
situations,
whether
early
on
in
life
or
during
you
know
their
their
careers
whatever
it
is.
But
again
we
have
to
eliminate
the
stigma.
We
can't
criticize
those
that
struggle,
because
we're
human
and
we
all
struggle
and
it's
okay,
to
ask
for
help
and
the
services
that
we
provide
are
to
better
ourselves
to
help
one
another.
M
And
it
was
said
earlier
when
we
approved
the
hire
of
a
new
department
head
and
we
said,
welcome
to
the
family.
We
have
to
remember
we're
a
family
and
the
city
of
tampa.
We
have
thousands
of
employees
and
we
have
to
make
sure
that
each
and
every
employee
knows
no
matter
if
the
police,
fire
and
city
council,
whatever
it
is,
that
help
is
available.
You
will
not
be
criticized.
You
will
not
be
made
fun
of
that.
It's
okay
to
ask
for
help
and
it's
okay
to
reach
out
and
those
services
are
available.
O
I
believe
that's
me
as
well
is
number
81
as
well.
I
will
send
you
all
the
memo,
but
I
guess
it
didn't
get
to
you
in
time,
but
once
again,
barbara
tripp
for
item
number
81,
where
administration
is
to
work
real
estate
to
provide
report
and
progress.
So
just
let
you
know
that
I
have
meetings
with
real
estate
as
well
as
other
departments,
to
make
sure
we
get
the
needs
for
the
temp
fire
rescue
throughout
2021.
We
have
met
eight
times.
Our
last
meeting
was
the
first
of
the
year
we
met
again.
O
We
have
developed
some
property
that
we
are
looking
to
possibly
do
the
public
service
public
safety
building
as
well.
We
are
waiting
for
that
fund
report
and
I
had
a
meeting
earlier
with
the
business.
We
had
a
le
holdback,
but
I
should
have
the
report
within
a
couple
of
weeks
and
with
that
said,
we
have
obtained
some
property
that
we're
looking
for
future
resources
for
fire
as
needed.
E
Thank
you
chief.
I
I
recall
mr
vieira's
not
here,
but
I
think
he
was
one
of
the
ones
who
brought
it
up
and
this
might
have
started
before
you
switched
over
is
cheap,
but
I
recall
discussions
about
downtown
and
about
channel
side
and
about
our
needs.
Potential
real
estate
needs
in
those
areas
because
of
the
growth
downtown
and
channel
side
in
terms
of
population
and
also
in
terms
of
additional
high
rises.
Now
we
got
water
street.
There's
there's
a
lot
of
stuff.
E
My
mother
got
here
in
1954
and
I
drove
her
downtown
the
other
day
and
she
was
like.
Oh
my
god,
that's
that's,
not
the
city
I
moved
to,
but
anyway,
so
you
know
what
are
our
downtown
needs
and
and
are
we
looking
for
real
estate
or
or
in
the
in
the
downtown
area
that
that's
what
we
talked
about?
I
think
last
summer.
O
So,
based
on,
like
I
say,
with
weight,
loss
reporting
has
been
in
delay
and
I
truly
apologize.
But,
of
course
we
know
covert,
played
a
big
part
in
that
speaking
with,
and
just
reviewing
some
of
the
analysis
that
we
have
it's
much
more
than
just
putting
the
fire
station
is
much
more
putting
resources
and
adjusting
the
system
that
we
have
now.
So
if
we,
if
you
want
to
put
this
off,
I
can
give
you
additional
information
as
far
as
the
need
that
you
know
if
it
needs
to
be
a
fire
station.
O
If
it
needs
to
be
rescue
cars
if
it
needs
to
be
transported
whatever
the
need
is,
but
that
report
is
definitely
going
to
identify
a
lot
of
the
resources
that
we
need
within
the
city
limits.
E
What
what
sort
of
date
are
you
comfortable
with
to
come
back
on
that
90
days
or
something
three
couple?
Three
minutes.
E
Madam
clerk,
three
months,
what
is
it,
what
might
that
take
us
to
see
we're
at
the
beginning
of
february
may
3rd
yeah
may
5th
stafford
port
okay
motion
to
continue
this
may
5th.
B
All
right
number
82.
K
Jenner
from
one
of
the
planning
commission,
I'm
here
for
item
82.,
I
do
have
one
powerpoint
slide.
I
can
share
with
the
city
council
if
I
can
have
permission
to
share
my
screen.
K
So,
as
council
is
aware,
we
were
directed
to
look
into
the
possibility
of
creating
a
cemetery
future
land
use
category
our
staff
reviewed
several
jurisdictions
throughout
the
country
and
and
conducted
research.
Looking
at
different,
comprehensive
plans
and
future
land
use
maps,
we
found
that
only
a
few
cities
had
a
cemetery
future
land
use
category.
So
based
on
that,
our
recommendations
before
you
today
are
to
include
cemeteries
in
the
descriptions
of
the
future
lindy's
designation
of
public
semi-public
and
recreational
open
space.
K
K
This
comprehensive
plan
also
needs
a
definition
of
cemeteries,
so
we
would
work
on
drafting
that
would
also
work
on
drafting
a
policy
recognizing
the
importance
and
encouraging
the
protection
of
cemeteries.
In
the
plan
we
will
continue
to
work
with
the
city
of
tampa
staff
and
their
planning
department.
During
the
plan
amendment
process,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
F
No
thank
you
all
for
doing
all
that
research.
I
know
this
is
an
important
issue
for
the
community.
What
so,
what's
the
next
step?
Do
we
need
to
make
a
motion
today,
or
will
you
all
just
come
back.
K
If
council
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
just
have
us
initiate
a
plan
amendment
as
part
of
the
february
cycle,
you
can
certainly
do
that
where
we've
gotten
started
on
it.
But
having
that
motion
you
know
we'll
get
going
in
the
february
2022
cycle,
so.
B
All
right
most
of
my
mr
also
say
my
mr
maniscal
call
a
favor
all
right,
impose
ocean.
B
All
right,
mr,
shall
we
come
in
end
of
our
journey.
It's.
N
N
Yes,
last
last
week
there
were
two
votes
where
council
members
abstained:
council,
member
ding,
felder
and
council
member
carlson
on
january
27th.
I
provided
those
conflict
forms
with
their
signatures.
Forms
8b
to
the
clerk
also
received
from
mr
carlson
were
forms
eight
b
for
today's
abstentions.
So
those
I'd
ask
that
whole
that
all
of
those
be
received
and
filed.
Please.
B
N
You
and
council-
I
just
want
to
give
you
a
brief
update
this
past
thursday,
the
budget
and
finance
advisory
committee
has
met,
and
during
that
meeting
they
had
decided
to
set
regularly
scheduled
meetings
for
the
third
wednesday
of
each
month,
beginning
in
march
and
they're
undertaking
a
a
a
process
of
seeing
how
they're
going
to
be
moving
forward
as
a
committee,
and
certainly
they're,
they're,
energized
and
they're
engaged
and,
frankly,
council.
N
I
believe
that
I'm
I'm
going
to
assist
them
in
in
establishing
processes,
but
it
appears
council
that
they
perhaps
may
need
some
additional
administrative
support
with
all
the
things
that
they
wish
to
have
undertaken.
And,
of
course,
I've
been
in
touch
with
the
chief
of
staff
just
to
also
inform
him,
because,
obviously,
what
they
do
involves
gathering
information
from
the
administration.
So
I
just
want
to
give
you
that
little
progress
report
and
they
may
actually
be
coming
back
to
council
in
some
form
or
fashion.
N
I
understand
that
they
are
by
motion
of
city
council
becoming
coming
back
to
report.
On
the
issue
of,
I
believe
it's
council
member
carlson
made
that
motion,
but
it's
going
to
be
coming
back
in
april
and
they'll
be
meeting
again
in
advance
of
that
to
prepare
for
that.
So
I
just
wanted
to
talk
about
comments.
E
Miss
shelby
one
thing
that
I
think,
we've
all
noticed
over
the
years
that
we've
served
as
related
to
the
citizens.
What
is
it
called
budget?
The.
E
Lot
of
people
good
people
put
in
a
lot
of
hard
work
and
hours
on
that,
and
then
they
bring
forth
recommendations
to
us.
But
the
timing
is
always
messed
up
because
and-
and
you
know
it
comes
back
to
us-
like
you
know,
just
on
the
eve
of
the
of
the
final
budget.
You
know
budget
meetings
and
you
know
right
there
at
the
at
the
11th
hour
and
and
frankly
in
the
9
or
10
years
that
I've
been
involved
in
the
process.
E
We
don't
really
have
a
good
chance
to
realistic
to
realistically
address
their
comments
and
concerns
because
it's
like
it's
too
late,
and
so
I
I
corresponded
with
the
the
chair
of
that
committee
on
this
issue
last
week
and
he
agrees.
E
I
will
urge
the
our
cfo
dennis
as
well
as
mr
bennett
and
anybody
else
involved
to
push
that
process
back
a
little
bit
so
when
they
do
make
that
presentation
to
us-
and
I
think
you
remember
this
bill
right
when
they
make
their
presentation
to
us-
there's
a
little
more
time
built
in
so
as
long
as
you're
having
those
discussions
with
staff
about
resources
and
stuff
talk
to
them.
About
process
too,.
N
And
the
board
is,
is
going.
The
committee
is
going
to
be
focusing
on
process
to
be
able
to
address
that.
That
was
one
actually
frankly,
a
topic
of
discussion
about
how
they're
going
to
move
forward
with
that
sort
of.
So
they
then
they
they're
going
to
be
more
engaged
earlier
on.
It
appears
in
the
process.
B
I
think
I
can
tell.
N
B
B
You
can
tell
that
the
talent
level
of
having
actual
people
of
financial
experience
and
basis
dealing
with
the
issues
versus
I've,
seen
budget
committees
in
previous
years
that
it
really
wasn't
functional,
but
I
think
now,
they're,
functional
and
they're
really
doing
the
work
they
need
to
be
doing,
but
I
think
they
need
a
little
guys
from
mr
shelby,
so
we
can
get
them
on
the
right
page
with
the
processes
and
maybe
change
some
of
the
way
it
has
been
working
previously
and
also
as
far
as
their
their
the
documents
and
so
forth.
B
So
I
think
mr
shelby's
on
the
right
page
to
get
them
up
and
running
right
and
probably
bring
forth
some
change
for
this
board
here
to
maybe
vote
on
to.
Maybe
we
empower
them
to
do
what
they
need
to
do
so
we'll
wait
for
that
report
to
come
back
into
shelby,
so
we
can
get
it
done
because
to
me
it
makes
no
sense
that
those
folks
do
all
that
work
and
they
come
and
bring
us
recommendations
and
we
sit
here.
You
know
and
they
they've
done
the
work.
B
That's
what
they're
empowered
to
do
to
do
this
work,
but
some
say
well
their
advisory
board.
No,
they
are
a
board
assigned
to
this
council
to
bring
us
financial
information
about
what
they
uncover.
What
they've,
seen
and
so
forth
to.
Let
us
make
sound
based
decisions,
so
I
think
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
giving
them
the
right
structure
the
right
power
to
really
do
their
job
and
do
it
effectively.
So
we
can
make
decisions
when
the
budget
comes
here,
so
we
can
say
well.
B
This
is
the
finances
that
are
saying
and
that
way
we're
gonna
really
have
asked
really
true
questions,
and
let
me
think
fellow
says
they
don't
come
the
eve
of
that
day
when
we
could
be
asking
questions,
maybe
a
month
or
two
in
advance.
So
if
you
would
just
carry
that
out,
so
that'd
be
great
to
do.
Sir.
N
M
F
We
all
know
it's
carol
post
last
couple
weeks
and
I
I
would
recommend
we
give
her
a.
I
thank
you
commendation
on
this
next
was
it
next
week
or
or
on
the
24th
workshop
you
want
to
do
it
is
next
week.
Okay,
with
you
guys,
I
don't
know
she's
leaving
a
couple
weeks.
B
B
F
A
E
Yes,
sorry,
guido,
I
got
a
couple:
we've
been
getting
emails
in
regard
to
the
lamb,
the
proposed
lamb
canal.
I
don't
know
if
you
all
have
seen
that
it's
in
the
sunset
park
area
and
anyway,
I
won't
go
into
great
detail.
I've
had
communication
with
gene
duncan
and
her
staff
there's
a
lot
of
neighborhood
objection
to
it.
E
So
with
that
I'd
like
I'll
give
them
six
weeks
to
come
back
march
17th
and
ask
for
a
staff
report
and
an
update
on
the
lamb
canal
project.
B
Tell
you
my
mr
moran
all
in
favor
any
opposed
most
regret.
E
Thank
you.
Secondly,
in
regard
to
affordable
housing,
you
guys
were
kind
enough
to
put
me
on
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
and
I've
become
a
lot
more
knowledgeable
about
afford,
affordable
housing.
One
thing
that's
been
pointed
out
to
me
by
some
of
the
folks
in
the
community
who
are
very
knowledgeable
on
affordable
housing.
Is
that
the
city
of
tampa?
E
We
all
walk
around
and
say
we
need
housing.
We
need
affordable
housing.
We
need
workforce
housing,
but
the
reality
is,
is
I
don't
think
we've
really
done
a
study,
a
hard
yeah,
just
a
hard
and
fast
needs
study
for
affordable
workforce
housing
and
maybe
all
housing.
E
So
we
kind
of,
I
think,
we're
just
sort
of
shooting
you
know
shooting
in
the
air
without
having
you
know-
and
I
hate
to
say
it,
but
a
consultant
needs
to
come
in
and
do
a
comprehensive
analysis
and
study,
and
I've
been
told
that
when
you
have
that
study,
it
makes
it
easier
to
go
from
grant
and
stuff
like
that.
E
E
Yes,
ma'am
as
long
as
we
you
tell
me,
we
have
time
for
that.
No,
oh,
yes!
Okay!
I'm
sorry!
Next
one
I'll
put
that
one
off
okay
and
then
the
last
one
I've
got
is
we
received
this
letter
from
the
gulf
coast,
building
and
construction
trades,
council
and
and
also
from
toba
two
different
organizations
that
are
looking
at
sort
of
our
hannah
avenue.
Our
100
million
dollar
hannah
avenue
project
very
carefully
in
terms
of
making
making
sure
that
all
the
teas
were
crossed
and
on
the
eyes
were
dotted
appropriately.
E
E
N
E
No
I'll
I'll
wait
on
the
other
ones.
Thank.
G
You
well
one
thing,
mr
chairman,
I
I
would
like
to
request
the
council's
indulgence
in
introducing
chamberlain's
spanish
teacher,
ms
marion
dirks
and
17
of
her
students
on
february
17
2022.
I
had
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
her
class
a
few
months
ago,
and
students
are
very
interested
in
the
tampa
city,
council
and
politics.
In
general,
they
will
be
making
a
field
trip
to
the
city
council
on
february
17
2022
and
they
plan
to
watch
the
portion
of
the
meeting.
G
B
Yes,
sir,
you
have
two
quick
ones.
Gentlemen,
you
know.
Sometimes
we
get
very
good
seniors
are
good
community
servants
in
our
community,
our
parks
and
recreation
departments,
and
I
got
a
call
about
this.
Lady
I
know
knew
her
and
I
know
she's
very
was
dedicated
she
passed
away
so
I'll.
Let
make
a
motion
to
give
the
family
of
the
late
mary
taylor
obviously
passed
away
a
resolution
for
the
museum
city
council
as
she
was
dedicated
and
respectful
loyal
senior
for
over
eight
years
at
williams
park.
B
E
Have
a
motion
from
the
chairman
of
second
by
mr
randall
in
favor
aye,
any
opposed
mention
passes.
B
Last
one
of
the
day,
gentlemen,
you
know
mr
randy
you'd
understand
as
being
a
ball
coach.
B
There's
been
a
lot
of
recent
violent
things
that
are
happening
at
our
ball
fields.
Right
kids,
we
had
a
shooting
a
lot
of
people,
don't
know
that
skyway
park
is
actually
a
city
facility,
but
it
is
has
a
mutual
agreement
with
the
county
and
a
lot
of
the
airport.
A
lot
of
the
ball
clubs
play
out
there.
There
was
a
shooting,
some
people
were
shot
and
things
like
that
and
for
years
I
had
been
telling
our
recreation,
probably
in
the
county
record
liberation
department,
that
hey
you
have
to
change.
B
The
way
we
do
business
like
tallah
has
some
other
places
to
where
the
city
county
they're
together
and
are
mutually
involved.
Because
what
you
have
you
get
a
lot
of
requests
these
backgrounds.
They
call
us
want
to
complain,
there's
nowhere
for
these
people
to
go
to
do
anything
and
a
lot
of
issues
that
are
going
on
with
you
athletes,
because
now
you
look
at
facebook,
I
get
so
many
calls
they're
betting
on
the
kids
they're
betting
on
the
games.
Now
kids
are
playing
football
year
round
on
fields
and
I'm
glad
before
I
stopped
coaching.
B
B
It's
really
beating
them
up,
but
my,
but
the
gist
of
this
is
is
sometimes
we
have
to
be
together
as
a
county
and
city
together.
Do
some
of
these
things
together,
because
these
guys
and
girls
sometimes
are
transit
all
over
the
place.
They
can't
go
here,
get
kicked
out
here.
They
go
over
there
and
the
cycle
just
continues.
B
So
I
would
like
our
recreation,
department,
director
and
her
staff,
and
I
would
move
that
with
recent
activities
that
have
occurred
on
local
sports
field.
It's
time
we
unify
our
municipalities
by
forming
a
youth
sports
advisory
council.
This
group
will
be
reducing,
will
be
diversified
and
include
selected
stakeholders,
high
level
industrial
leaders
experienced
staff
and
appointed
community
members.
The
statement
of
purpose
shall
be
to
allow
the
organized
forum
open
communication
to
outline,
suggest
and
establish
guidelines,
processes
and
procedures
that
will
provide
consistency
and
uniformity.
B
Currently,
each
of
our
four
local
municipalities
operate
under
their
own
directives
and
specificalities
independently
of
each
other.
My
motion
suggests
we
look
to
restructure
the
face
of
youth
sports
and
work
towards
higher
levels
of
standards,
consistency
from
district
to
district,
with
the
ability
to
enact
and
share
information
interlocally,
especially
as
it
pertains
to
youth
football.
B
I
was
going
to
get
the
last
little
section,
mr
mescal,
because
it's
important
this
council
will
also
present
innovative
and
in
in
on
trend
concepts
applicable
to
the
ever-growing
youth
sports
industry.
There'll,
be
a
primary
focus
on
safety,
the
well-being
of
the
child
and,
most
importantly,
ensuring
a
fulfilled
experience
at
levels
to
include
the
participants,
volunteers,
parents
and
families.
If
I
could
get
that
motion
so.
E
The
only
question
I
have
on
the
motion,
mr
chairman,
is
where
do
you
want
that
to
go
next?
Is
it
I.
B
Everybody
went
to
pal
you
had
the
recreational
staff
working
coaching,
you
had
police
officers,
you
had
more
people
engaged
now
you
don't
have
all
that
now,
because
it's
just
not
stable.
It's
just
not,
and
it
hurts
me
so
bad
when
I
was
trying
to
tell
our
departments
in
the
county
before
you
need
to
start.
Looking
at
that
and
now
skyway,
which
is
one
of
our
longest
programs
out
there
with
tons
and
tons
of
program,
is
gone
debunked
now
the
buck
they're.
All
you
know
down
the
road
I've
been
called
where
we
play
at
now.
B
E
Just
as
a
further
answer
your
motion:
do
you
want
to
report
back
from.
B
E
B
B
Yeah
I'm
looking
at:
let's
look
at
april's
and
april:
they
give
them
time
to
get
with
the
other
powers
it
be
and
get
with
you
and
get
with
me
and
that
we
kind
of
understand
where
we're
going,
because
I
I
get
so
many
calls.
Everybody
knew
me
still
is
coach
and
they
called.
G
So
I
think
we
got
put
on
the
helmet
one
time
his
football
and
I
get
hit
a
couple
of
times.
I
said
this
is
not
my
game.
My
game
is
just
playing
the
baseball,
but
all
of
us
at
the
park.
We
were
there
seven
days
a
week,
that's
the
part
whether
we
had
a
recreation
director
or
not.
We
showed
up
and
that's
how
what
you're
talking
about
reminds
me
of
my
youth,
and
I
appreciate
it.
Thank
you
chairman
all
right.
We
have.
E
We
have
a
motion
for
staff
report
on
that
issue
as
as
well
as
a
recommendation
from
counsel
to
the
administration
on
that
issue
april,
7th
the
second
by
mr
maniscaco,
all
in
favor
of
motion,
and
he
opposed
patient.
G
E
Chairman,
I
I
did
have
one
other
item
that
popped
up
on
item
28
yeah.
It
passed
not
an
issue,
it's
just
a
purchase,
but
mr
spearman
provided
a
memo
to
me
which
did
not
get
into
the
file.
So
I
provided
that
memo
to
tusuling
clerk's
office
to
incorporate
into
the
file
for
item
28.