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A
D
We're
here
on
items,
number
11
and
12,
and
if
we
could
get
a,
we
submitted
a
PowerPoint
if
we
could
get
a
PowerPoint
up.
D
All
right
we're
here
because
back
several
months
several
months
ago,
we
I
brought
forward
a
agenda
item
to
amend
23.5
that
is
dealing
with
civil
citations
and
we
wanted
to
designate
skateboarding
as
a
lesser
offense,
making
it
a
75
lowest
category
punishment
offense,
so
that
if
there
were
ever
any
violations
of
skateboarding
that
it
would
be
as
a
civil
citation
when
I
brought
this
to
city
council
city
council
asked
that
I
had
a
motion
that
would
come
back
to
also
look
at
25172.
D
It
had
not
been
revised
since
1995
and
so
city
council
asked
that
we
come
back.
Look
at
it.
We've
met
with
Mobility
Brandon
Campbell
with
Mobility
is
here
today
also
so,
we've
been
working
with
Mobility
for
the
last
couple
of
months
to
review
what
other
cities
are
doing
and
what
we
could
do
to
update
our
ordinance
So
based
on
that
I
will
try
to
go
through
this
really
fast.
D
So
we
recommendations
are
going
to
be
that
we
designate
penalty
as
a
civil
citation.
We
add
a
definition
for
skateboards,
skateboarding
and
transportation
purposes.
We
remove
the
prohibition
from
downtown
and
Ybor,
except
for
Seventh
Avenue.
We
consider
remove
our
roller
skates
and
inline
skates
and
we
remove
any
authorization
preempted
by
state
laws.
D
And
then
there's
presently
also
it
states
for
roller
skates
and
inline
skates.
Those
are
prohibited
to
operate
a
ride
on
likewise
streets,
roadways,
sidewalks
and
then
areas
between
sixth,
seventh
and
eight
private
property
and
public
property,
where
it's
posted,
so
23.5
as
I
was
mentioned,
establishes
fine
amounts
from
classes.
One
to
four.
We
were
asking
this
to
be
a
class
one,
the
lowest
amount
for
75
dollars.
D
Presently,
if
I
hadn't
already
said
so
or
I
certainly
have
said
so
in
the
past.
It's
presently
punished
was
a
notice
to
appear
at
a
county
court
and
that's
what
we
are
now
trying
to
make
it
go
instead
of
going
to
County
Criminal
Court.
This
would
just
be
a
civil
citation,
so
we're
reducing
it
pretty
dramatically.
So
here's
23.5
schedule
1.
As
you
see
the
underlying
section
in
the
right
column,
25172
was
added
chapter
316
is
our
uniform
traffic
laws.
D
316-0085
covers
governmental
liability
specifically
to
understand.
Skate
parks
were
added
here,
to
encourage
cities
to
allow
skaters,
inline
skaters,
even
bikes,
to
have
a
place
to
go
because
oftentimes,
a
lot
of
cities
prohibit
them
from
sidewalks,
and
things
like
that,
because
sidewalks
are
meant
for
pedestrians,
and
a
lot
of
cities
have
determined
not
to
allow
skates
skateboards
on
sidewalks.
D
The
legislature
made
it
so
that
to
encourage
a
place
for
skaters
to
be
for
cities
to
have
a
place
for
skaters
designated
and
the
city
would
not
be
liable
for
injuries
that
happened
at
skate
parks.
Basically,
so
the
city
currently
has
three
such
parks,
there's
also
private
skateboard
parks
for
people
to
go
who
want
to
escape.
D
We
looked
at
other
cities,
we've
looked
at
Orlando
Miami
every
surrounding
City
I
mean
we.
We
looked
at
at
least
10
cities.
In
the
end
we
found
Orlando
had
a
definition
of
skateboard,
skateboarding
and
transportation
purposes.
We
heard
city
council
to
say
that
they
wanted
us
to
consider
whether
or
not
by
us
staff
to
consider
whether
or
not
skateboards
could
be
used
on
sidewalk
for
transportation
purposes
so
that
they
could
be
allowed
even
downtown
to
go
to
work
so
Orlando
recently
had
amended
theirs.
D
What
city
council
was
asking
us
to
consider,
so
the
definitions
that
we're
recommending
is
skateboard
and
it's
defined
there
skateboarding
and
then,
as
I
said
Transportation
purposes,
so
it
would
allow
Transportation
purposes
basically
would
allow
somebody
to
take
their
skateboard
now
downtown,
whereas
currently
it's
prohibited,
you
would
allow
it
to
be
on
the
sidewalks
for
transportation
purposes.
So,
if
you're
going
to
work,
you
could
skateboard.
If
you're
going
just
from
point
A
to
point
B,
you
could
skateboard
downtown
on
the
sidewalk,
but
it
could
only
be
done
if
you're
doing
it
for
transportation
purposes.
D
D
So
the
recommended
language
skateboarding
would
be
prohibited
on
all
public
property
owned
or
controlled
by
the
city
and
on
all
public
property
owned
and
controlled
by
other
governmental
entities,
except
for
transportation
purposes.
If
the
person
is
skateboarding,
yields
right
away
to
pedestrians
gives
an
audible
signal
before
overtaking
and
passing
a
pedestrian
or,
as
maybe
specifically
authorized
by
appropriate
governmental
entity
notwithstanding,
the
above
skateboarding
would
be
prohibited
still
on
just
7th
Avenue
and
on
private
property
in
the
city
and
also
property
controlled
by
the
City
as
specified.
There.
D
All
right
and
it
would
require
a
helmet
for
those
under
16.-
that's
consistent
with
state
law
under
chapter
316
bikes
are
currently
that
that
language
actually
came
straight
out
of
chapter
316
talking
about
when
bikes
are
required
to
have
helmets
and
again
it
would
make
it
a
class
one
violation.
So
this
is
what
we're
asking
city
council
to
consider.
It's
the
need
to
allow
different
forms
of
transportation
to
safely
use
sidewalks
to
modernize
the
ornaments
parts
of
the
current
ordinance
state
that
you
can
State
skate
on
the
streets
between
certain
hours.
D
We
would
need
to
remove
that
there's
a
preemption
and
state
statute
that
states
cannot
be
on
streets
so
that
has
to
be
removed.
Anyways.
We
need
to
promote
transportation
and
not
damaged
property
present
facilities
allow
public
and
private
locations
for
skating,
and
we
still
want
to
prohibit
on
7th
Avenue,
because
there
is
still
a
high
pedestrian
area
there
and
there's
still
very
many
Avenues
to
get
around
Ybor
without
being
on
Seventh.
D
So
that
is.
That
is
what
we
would
like
city
council
to
consider.
We
are
prepared
to
bring
back
for.
First
read
the
ordinance.
If
city
council
agrees
with
those
recommendations
and
we
would
bring
back
an
ordinance
changing
it
from
the
class
one
that
we
previously
proposed
and
also
all
these
changes
to
25
172.
E
I
I
want
to
say,
I
appreciate
you
really
focusing
on
letting
skateboarding
be
a
method
of
transportation
and
that
we're
taking
rollerblading
and
roller
skates
out,
which
is
really
funny.
I
can
only
imagine
what
it
was
like
when
we
actually
had
to
have
that
ordinance,
but
people
still
use
those
for
Transit
as
well.
My
my
my
only
concern
is
the
75.
Fine
I
think
I
still
think
that's
difficult
for
kids
I'm.
E
So
that's
an
area
that
I
would
like
to
hear
from
other
council
members
on,
but
I
appreciate
you
working
diligently
to
make
skateboarding
more
of
a
transportation
issue
while
keeping
it
away
from
places
that
legally,
it's
not
supposed
to
be.
F
Yes,
thanks
for
reviewing
this,
as
I
said
when
we
first
brought
this
up,
I
don't
think
we
should
have
fines
for
skateboarding.
I
was
not
a
big
skateboarder,
I
think
chair,
citro
was,
and
so
he
can
probably
weigh
in
better
than
any
of
us.
But
I
had
lots
of
friends
who
are
skateboarders
and
I.
Think
it
it
hurt,
can
hurt
our
City's
reputation
for
handing
out
lots
of
tickets
to
skateboarders.
F
It
seems
to
me
that
we,
instead
of
looking
at
whether
they're
using
it
for
transportation
or
not,
which
would
be
hard
for
a
kid
to
understand,
I'm
trying
to
think
of
my
13
year
old
or
12
year
old,
trying
to
figure
out
what's
Transportation
versus
something
else
it
seems
like
we
should
we
if
there
was
some
kind
of
fine,
that
it
would
be
around
destruction
of
property
or
intimidation
of
other
people
like
if
you're
riding
fast
and
you
you
run
into
somebody
who's,
disabled
or
something
like
that.
F
That
would
that
that
would
be
more
what
the
fine
would
be,
instead
of
just
if
someone
is
riding
along
and
then
they
they
spin
around
in
the
other
direction.
Does
that
mean
that
they're
not
using
a
transportation
method
anymore?
Do
they
change
direction
when
you
looked
at
other
cities,
did
other
cities
just
look
at
it
from
kind
of
the
damage
or
intimidation
standpoint
instead
of
how
they're
riding
it.
D
So
they
they're
it's
already
required
that
they
follow
the
rules
of
pedestrians
when
they're
on
the
sidewalks.
So
as
long
as
they're
on
the
sidewalks,
they
they
shouldn't
be
knocking
people
down
or
anything
like
that,
and.
F
D
That
so
that's
why
we
were
defining
what
Transportation
would
be,
because
as
long
as
you're
operating
for
the
purpose
of
transportation
and
not,
and
then
it
defines
what
you
know
leaving
in
the
ground
to
do
tricks
and
things
like
that.
G
F
Fines,
it
is,
it
seems
like
if
The
Pedestrian
thing
is
covered
in
that
they
can't
intimidate
pedestrians.
If
there's
some
way
that
we
can
just
prohibit
destruction
of
property,
then
why
can't
they
spin
around
and
do
whatever
they
want
to
do
on
the
sidewalker
and
courtesy
park
or
whatever,
certainly.
D
I
mean
we're
here
we're
here
to
consider
anything,
but
those
we
found
it
to
be
a
lot
more
difficult
to
sit
there
and
describe
a
laundry
list
of
things.
You
can't
do
then,
rather
than
just
Define
what
you
can
do,
which
is
for
transportation
purposes,
and
it
was
difficult
to
come
up
with
a
laundry
list
of
all
the
things
that
somebody
can't
do.
That
is
more.
We
have
looked
at
other
cities,
a
lot
of
other
cities
just
flat
out,
don't
allow
skateboarding
in
certain
areas
downtown
areas
where
there's
pedestrians.
F
So
I
don't
know
if
I
mentioned
this
this
last
time,
but
I'm
particularly
sensitive
this
issue,
because
the
whole
fight
over
the
bro
bowl-
and
you
know
that
caused
tremendous
angst
in
our
community
and
and
got
us
a
lot
of
bad
publicity.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
do
anything
to
to
do
that
again.
But
I
I
would
rather
reduce
and
take
away
the
fines,
except
in
the
case
of
property,
damage
or
intimidation
or
hurting
someone,
but
I'll
yield
to
the
skateboarder.
H
I
I
have
to
agree
disagree
with
a
little
bit
of
this.
You
have
to
have
consequences
for
your
actions,
be
it
kids
or
not.
H
H
H
Those
are
your
real
skateboarders.
You
don't
have
small
little
kids
skateboarding
and
been
around
for
a
cop
too
long
if
they're,
no
skateboarding
but
you're
talking
about
two
things
across
from
the
destruction,
a
problem.
That's
criminal
mischief,
that's
a
different
element
versus
someone
just
and
it's
an
intentional
Act.
H
It's
no
different.
If
you
have
a
parking
violation,
you
park
your
car
and
you
know
you
have
to
park.
Your
car
parking
violation
is
probably
about
20
bucks.
What
20
25
bucks
you
know
I
can
go
with
reducing
the
skateboarding
fine
down,
but
not
to
have
any
fine,
though,
because
or
to
where
you
have
a
first
occurrence.
The
police
officer
can
put
the
person's
name
in
the
database.
H
If
they've
been
worn
once
or
worn
twice
in
the
third
time
now
you
get
a
a
a
a
citation
for
10
or
15
bucks,
but
you
got
to
have
a
consequence
for
your
actions
for
repeat
violators,
I'm
still
hesitant
about
having
skateboards
to
me,
I,
don't
view
skateboarding
as
a
means
of
transportation.
I
mean
some
do
I
respect
everybody's
opinion,
but
I,
don't
I
mean
excuse
me,
skateboarding
is
is
fun
activity
you
can
get
around,
but
most
again,
most
kids
I
see
they're
most
bigger
teenage
kids.
H
That
are,
you
know
you
got
with
their
friends
going
around.
It
could
be
a
way
of
getting
around,
but
when
you
Define
transportation
I,
don't
really
see
it.
That
way.
What
I
see
is
a
lot
of
kids.
At
times
when
I
was
out
there
you
know
sometimes
they're,
just
being
a
jerk,
you
just
you
know
just
riding
skateboards
on
the
sidewalks
and
they
don't
give
a
hit
anybody.
H
And
then
it's
like
you
know
all
things
happen,
but
I
don't
believe
you
put
anybody
in
jail,
I,
don't
believe
I'm
going
to
court
for
a
first
appearance
or
a
notice
up
here.
All
that
kind
of
I
don't
believe
in
that,
but
I
do
believe
that
it
should
be
maybe
a
small
10
or
15
Dollar.
You
know
thing
but
again,
looking
at
occurrences
first,
second
time
and
maybe
the
last
time
you
finally,
you
know,
hit
him
with
something,
but
but
not
to
give
anything.
I
couldn't
go
along
with
not
giving
anything.
I
Just
want
to
ask
a
question
for
the
counselor
and
I
realized
what
it,
what
and
I
know
that
the
River
Walk
is
a
an
animal
there.
A
lot
of
people
use
it
for
many
things.
What
about
skateboarding
there
kind
of
loud
or
not.
D
D
I
J
Yes,
Brandon
Campbell,
smart
Mobility
manager.
I
would
add
that
when
the
Riverwalk
was
funded
part
of
that
Grant
application
funding,
I
know
it's
been
discussed,
but
as
a
multi-use
path,
other
devices
Beyond
just
this
walking-
would
be
11.
I
L
K
This,
what
if
we
structured
it
first
time
a
warning
second
time,
ten
dollars?
Third
time,
twenty
five
dollars
and
Max
it
had
25
dollars.
No,
no,
that's
not
zero
and
it's
not
that's
a
crazy
amount.
A
A
A
A
I
I
personally
cannot
support
any
type
of
fine
to
a
skateboarder
who
is
using
a
skateboard
as
a
transportation,
somebody
that
does
pipes
on
the
side
of
a
building
and
they're
damaging
a
building
or
they
run
into
a
car
sure
find
them
for
that.
The
skateboarding
shouldn't
be
illegal.
What
is
the
pleasure
of
council.
I
I
believe
my
feeling
is
I
believe
you've
got
to
you've
got
to
have
something
to
enhance
the
ability
of
them.
Thinking
not
to
do
it
again
and
if
you're
going
to
have
just
a
continuous,
don't
do
it
again,
Harry
or
Charlie
or
Mary
or
apple
whatever
that
ain't
gonna
resonate,
maybe
the
first
time
no,
but
we've
got
to
have
something
in
the
second
and
third
time,
and
it
can't
be
constant
25
to
find
is
like
a
dollar.
Fifty
when
I
was
a
kid,
that's
what
amounts
to.
A
E
Thank
you.
That's
where
I
think
criminal
mischief
comes
into
play,
so
I'm
I'm
not
going
to
support
any
type
of
fines.
I
said
that
before
I'll
just
say
it
again.
I
really
do
appreciate
the
re
just
defining
of
skateboarding
and
allowing
it
on
sidewalks
I.
Think
it's
appropriate
and
I
see
a
lot
of
skateboarders
on
the
bus
when
I
and
Peep.
So
people
use
it
for
that.
Last
mile,
Transit,
so
I
I
I
do
see
it
used.
E
I
I
probably
see
at
least
one
skateboarder
on
the
bus
when
I'm
on
there.
So
I
I
I
really
cannot
support
any
type
of
fine.
D
D
There
has
been
one
citation
issued
in
the
couple
of
years
that
that
has
been
allowed
so
officers
and
then
I
pulled
skateboarding
stats
in
10
years
of
skateboarding,
the
last
10
years,
eight
offense
reports
were
opened,
of
which
very
few
actually
resulted
in
anything.
So
predominantly
what
you
see
is
officers
are
always
using
their
discretion
and
providing
warnings.
Officers
are
not
out
there
looking
to
write
citations
for
skateboarding
for
motor
scooters.
They
are,
they
are
issuing
warnings.
E
Thank
you,
but
generally
scooter
riders
legally
have
to
be
18.
they're
required
to
be
18
to
ride
one
of
those
motorized
scooters.
If
I'm,
remembering
things
correctly
and
again,
I
I
really
feel
like
criminal
mischief.
If
there's
something
going
on,
the
officer
can
still
give
a
warning
under
criminal
mischief
and
can
still
then
give
a
fine
based
on
criminal
mischief.
I
think
we're
just
adding
something
to
where
it
doesn't
need
to
be
added.
F
Three
things
real
fast
number
one
you
talk
about
how
these
haven't
been
used
very
much,
but
it's
it's.
It
seems
like
these
kinds
of
policies
are
not
abused
by
the
officer's
discretion,
but
if
somebody
above
them
sets
a
policy
like
with
biking
while
black,
it
was
a
policy
from
above
that
it
that,
based
on
the
news
coverage,
incentivized
officers
compensated
them
for
writing
more
tickets.
F
And
so,
if
we
got
a
mayor
in
the
future
who
didn't
like
skateboarding
and
wanted
skateboarders
off
the
street,
it
seems
like
they
could
abuse
it
by
giving
instructions
of
police
to
to
get
incentives
to
write
tickets.
And
so
that's
why
I
would
like
to
protect
the
public
by
not
having
that
on
I.
Think
to
be
fair,
your
original
idea
and
coming
to
us
was
to
reduce
the
fine,
and
so,
unless
I'm
wrong,
to
have
no
fine,
we
would
have
to
undo
the
existing
ordinance.
D
F
F
H
Yeah
I
listened
to
my
councilman
councilwoman
and
you're
right.
You
see
some
people
do
get
on
the
bus
and
that
last
leg
they
use
a
skateboard
to
get
to
work
and
that's
the
joke.
I
agree:
I
hate
that
they're
skating
skating
on
sidewalks,
because
there
are
people
there,
and
sometimes
people
are
not
courteous.
That's
the
problem.
I
have
but
I
I
can
live
with
it.
H
Mr
Carlson
has
what
does
have
one
point
you,
if
you
have
an
issue
in
a
certain
area
where
people
are
not
being
courteous,
you
could
have
a
supervisor
or
somebody
citizens
make
complaints
to
say
someone
got
hurt
and
it
comes
down
where
you
need
to
go
out
there
and
have
somebody
monitor
the
area
and
then
yeah
you
could
have
somebody
else.
Supervisor
or
officers
go
out
there
and
write
some
citations.
H
You
know
you're
right
on
them
because
me
being
the
old
cop
that
ain't,
something
that
most
houses
Yoko
be
doing,
I
wouldn't
be
doing
it
and
the
supervisor's
out
the
right
mail,
because
I
ain't
going
I,
just
giving
kids
no
tickets
I'm
just
going
to
tell
you
quit
doing
it.
I'm
gonna.
Take
the
boy.
Take
it
to
your
mama
house.
No,
that's
me!
H
That's
the
right
way
to
do
it,
but
you
can't
say
not
have
any
consequence
because
you're
going
to
have
those
knuckleheads,
they
say
they're
going
to
just
continue
to
do
what
they
want
to
do.
No
matter
what
you
tell
them,
and
sometimes
you
gotta,
you
know,
take
a
take
a
little
bit
of
that
candy
money
away.
I,
don't
agree
with
75.
like
I
said,
maybe
15
or
something
like
that
would
be
adequate.
You
know
that's
not
a
big,
astronomical
asking
money.
H
But
again
you
know
to
my
little
kids
out
there
right
off
I,
walk
you
talk
about
your
bigger
teenager,
kids,
I
could
look
at
about
10
or
15
bucks.
This
is
a
a
wake-up
call,
but
your
first
warning
you
know,
because
really
it's
gonna
be
your
protect
repetitive
person.
That's
going
to
be
keep
doing
it.
It's
not
going
to
be
that's
just
this
person
that
person
it's
going
to
be
somebody
who's
who's
in
person.
H
I
Thank
you,
I
feel
like
councilman
goods
and
what
we're
talking
about
is
escape
boarders,
but
we're
forgetting
that
the
skateboarder
is
not
the
only
one
on
the
sidewalk
for
every
skateboarder
there's
at
least
500
people
walking
on
that
same
sidewalk
on
and
off,
so
the
sidewalks
and
out
one
way
that
way
in
one
way.
This
way
you
walk
anywhere,
you
want
the
sidewalk,
so
you
got
people
walking,
east
and
west
one
going
east
one
coming
West.
You
got
a
skateboarder
coming
on
both
sides
and
nothing's
going
to
happen.
I'm
sure.
E
I
just
want
to
speak
as
a
bicyclist
on
the
Riverwalk
I
use
it
constantly
I'm
there
at
least
once
a
week-
and
you
know
most
cyclists
I
see-
are
pretty
good
either.
We
have
a
bell,
in
fact,
I
just
bought
myself
a
new
bell
for
my
new
bike
that
didn't
have
one
so
I
you
can
ring
it
and
then
you
let
people
in
front
of
you
know
they
move
over,
and
your
motion
specifically
said
you
know,
encouraging
skateboarders
to
say
something,
but
ultimately
oftentimes
I
hate
to
say
it.
E
What
a
skateboarder
would
do,
they're,
not
gonna,
mow
people
over
again,
yeah
kids
are
going
to
be
kids,
but
kids
still
don't
want
to
mow
people
over.
We
don't
we
aren't
seeing
skateboarding
the
way
it
was
when
we
were
younger
I.
Just
don't
see
this
as
an
issue
and
I
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
that,
as
someone
who
uses
it
regularly,
utilizes
the
Riverwalk,
the
cyclists
and
I've
seen
skateboarders
on
there
are
good
about
just
waiting
until
someone
passes,
and
then
they
can
safely
pass.
E
It's
just
about
being
a
good
citizen
and
as
far
as
I
can
tell,
we
haven't
been
able
to
regulate
good
citizenship.
If
we
had
I
think
we
would
have
at
this
point.
So
that's
all
I
wanted
to
say.
F
E
I'll
make
a
motion
that
we
come
back
with
an
ordinance
that
says
that
just
takes
it
off,
but
I
I
do
think
that
we
need
to
have
the
definition
of
it
being
allowed
to
be
I
mean.
D
But
as
a
legal
advisor
I
have
to
explain
why
I
believe
there
is
a
need
for
a
skateboarding
ordinance,
I've
reviewed
a
lot
of
case
law.
So
the
reason
the
legislature
created
the
exemption
for
the
Escape
parks
and
things
like
that
is
to
encourage
skate
skating
at
these
skate
parks,
not
on
the
sidewalks
and
if
a
skate.
If
we
don't
have
anything
on
the
books,
an
escape
order,
choose
a
city
right
and
does
tricks
and
does
whatever
and
we
say.
Oh,
we
don't
have
anything
on
the
books
prohibiting
skateboarding.
G
A
A
20
years
ago,
things
have
changed.
We
are
such
an
urban
environment
right
now
that
somebody
that
needs
to
get
five
blocks
away
to
where
their
job
may
be
a
skateboard
is
going
to
be
the
quickest
easiest
way
to
go
with
the
price
of
gas.
Some
some
people
are
relying
now
on
skateboards
times
are
different
I'm
sorry,
councilman
Goods
I
mean
Maniscalco.
K
Just
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
that
we
just
reduce
it
then
to
a
warning:
not
we
take
it
off
the
books
but
from
a
notice
to
appear
just
take
it
down
to
a
warning
yeah
at
least
something
the
the
police
officer
has
a
discretion
to
say.
You
know
I'm
going
to
take
you
home
I'm,
going
to
take
your
board
I'm
going
to
you
know,
don't
do
it
again,
but
you
know:
if
there's
property
damage,
then
that's
a
separate
thing.
I
mean.
Could
an
officer
then
charge
somebody
there?
K
D
So
the
chapter
316
is
I,
gave
a
brief
overview,
already
discusses
bikes,
e-bikes
motorized
scooters.
What
we
are
talking
about
is,
though,
there's
a
specific
section
in
316
that
says
skates
roller
skates
are
not
allowed
on
the
streets,
but
the
cities
can
choose
to
allow
them
on
sidewalks.
So
there
are
certain
things
at
the
cities
traditionally
decide
whether
or
not
to
allow
on
sidewalks,
which
are,
you
know,
are
pedestrian
use
primarily,
but
should
the
city
allow
other
things?
D
E
That
was
not
my
question,
though,
and
I
apologize.
If
I
was
not
clear,
my
question
was
are:
do
we
have
laws
on
the
books
that
fine
scooter
riders
and
bike
riders
under.
E
D
E
H
F
E
A
H
Can't
support
that
I
mean
not
having
any
consequences.
I
can't
support
that
I
I
have
you
said,
a
warning
and
then
a
subsequence
after
that
maybe
10
10
12
bucks,
something
like
that.
But
I
can't
support
not
no
fine
at
all
and
if
you
put
it
in
the
bicycle
chapter,
the
bicycle
chip
was
already
said:
it's
thirty
dollars,
so
if
you
put
it
there
to
go
pay
third
level,
I'm
saying
maybe
10
or
12
bucks,
but
you
got
you
just
can't
say:
I'm
gonna!
H
G
G
D
Point
a
clarification
there,
so
the
current
ordinance
reduce
it
that
what
we
currently
already
have
just
reduced
it
down
to
a
warning
is
what
you're
asking
right.
Thank
you.
A
E
A
R
Surely
Council
Rivera?
Thank
you
very
much.
Hi
Chief.
Thank
you
very
much
ma'am
for
for
number
10.
What
I
was
actually
requesting
and
I
spoke
to
Chief
Bennett
about
this.
Yesterday
was
a
a
panel
of
of
citizens
picked
by
Council,
mayor,
etc,
etc,
to
see
on
how
we
can
improve
our
policies
holistically
on
Mental
Health
in
a
wide
array
of
areas,
so
I
I
wouldn't
want
you
to
go.
R
The
memo
was
wonderful
and
I
really
appreciate
it,
but
I
think
that
by
going
through
it
it
it's
it's
not
directly
on
on
what
I
was
looking
for.
I
guess,
if
and
again
wonderful
information,
but
in
other
words,
I,
wouldn't
want
you
to
go
on
to
something.
If
I'm
going
to
make
a
motion
that
kind
of
takes
it
in
another
Direction,
you
see
what
I'm
saying
so,
in
other
words,
if
it
pleases
the
chair,
I
mean
I.
Would.
H
I
read
the
memo:
I
I
have
some
concerns
about
having
an
outside
piano
talking
about.
Policy
relates
to
police
and
fire
with
mental
health.
I
think
you
come
back.
I
think
you
got
to
run
to
some
Union
issues.
Can.
H
U
U
So
do
we
want
to
talk
about
10
first,
and
it's
going
to
be
quick,
because,
basically
with
that,
if
you're
looking
for
a
panel
to
talk
about
fire
and
police,
Mental,
Health
I,
think
that
should
be
something
internal
as
opposed
to
external,
because
we're
kind
of
like
the
only
one
that
knows
kind
of
what
we
go
through.
So
if
that's
what
you're?
Looking
for
I
get
back
with
Chief
of
Staff
and
the
administration,
and
we
can
come
up
with
a
panel
to
address
that,
but
I
personally,
don't
think
we
should
go
external.
It.
A
R
What
I
was
looking
for
it
like
y'all's
internal
policies,
that's
not
limited
to
that
it
could
be
limited
to
it
could
be
dealing
with
the
Way
employees
deal
with
the
public
Etc
if
Parks
and
Recreation
benefits
just
overarching
deals
with
with
mental
health,
it
not
limited
just
to
police
and
fire.
But
again
what
I
was
looking
for
was
the
administration's
position
on
that.
So,
if
you
all
are
opposed
to
that
and
give
me
a
good
reason
as
to
why
it's
not
a
good
idea,
then
maybe
I'll
be
like
hey.
U
And
I
was
going
to
say
actually
the
policy
that
we
have
now
the
procedures
that
we
have
worked.
You
know
for
our
firefighters
and
police
officer,
First
Responders
sure
now,
I
can't
speak
for
the
ATU,
because
I
don't
know
exactly
what
they
have,
but
that's
part
of
the
city
policy.
You
know
for
any
City
employed
to
follow
through
that
program
that
they
have
and
you
kind
of
specify
for
Public
Service
safety.
So
that's.
Why
and
police
put
their
additional
assistance
that
we
put
in.
R
Sure,
and
and
maybe
I
wasn't
again,
I,
don't
recall
what
I
actually
do
believe.
I
recall
what
I
motioned
for
and
I
think
it
was
for
an
overarching
policy
of
the
city
of
Tampa,
not
just
police
and
fire.
So
that's
why
I
spoke
to
John
Bennett
about
it
yesterday,
because
I
think
there
was
maybe
some
miscommunication
on
that.
So
again,
all
I'm
looking
forward
to
see
is
the
administration's
position
on
it,
and
if
there
is
a
reason
to
not
do
it
then
I'll
be
glad
to
withdraw
it.
R
U
H
I
just
know
the
history
and
I
think
the
chief
knows
where
I'm
going
with
that
you
know:
you're
gonna
have
a
hard
time:
Mr
Beer
convincing
the
union.
When
you
talk
to
me,
I
can't
speak
for
city
employees,
but
I
can
tell
if
you
talk
about
police
and
fire
and
outside
panel
talking
about
their
health
conditions
and
mental
health.
H
I'm,
just
saying
I,
don't
see
that
happening
and
I
don't
want
to
get
on
camera
saying
why?
But
I
know
why
that
would
be
a
problem.
That'd
be
a
shutdown
quickly
sure.
So,
just
what
I
know
you're
trying
to
Advocate
that
there's
things
in
place
and
and
there
there
are
things
in
place
where
there's
someone
having
a
problem
or
they
see
the
distress.
But
when
you
say
you
have
outside
sores
coming
in
to
evaluate
Public
Safety
officials.
U
R
Thank
you
and
again
we're
having
a
discussion
publicly
on
on
something
that
should
probably
be
held
privately
I'm,
not
asking
for
people
to
be
evaluated.
I,
I,
I,
don't
we're
what
I'm
looking
at
is
things
like
perfect
example.
We
have
the
mental
health
professionals
who
work
for
Tampa,
Police
Department
right.
Can
we
better
fund
that
that's
just
one,
it's
not
about
doing
analysis
of
of
employees
or
anything
of
that.
R
U
R
R
U
I
believe
item
number
eight
refer
to
the
money:
the
funding
for
New
Tampa.
R
Some
things
I
do
want
to
bring
this
thing
back,
because
there
are
some
requests
for
more
time
and
I
have
no
problem
with
that.
But
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
get
a
specific
time
on
that
which
I'm
sure
you're
you're
fine
with
when
you
deal
with
the
issue
of
New
Tampa
33647.
As
you
know,
the
issue
is
not
number
of
calls
it's
potential
response
times,
particularly
with
k-bar
ranch
area.
R
So
in
the
memo
Tampa
Fire
Rescue
says
that
they
need
more
time,
I'm
totally
fine
with
that,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
time
when
that
answer
is
going
to
come
back
to
us.
So
I'll
make
a
motion
for
that.
If
I
may,
for
North,
Tampa
and
I
know
they're
you're
in
speaking
to
you,
you're,
potentially
potentially
looking
at
Fowler
area,
potentially
for
a
new
station
and
you're
looking
at
real
estate
out
there.
Etc
and
again,
you
need
more
time
on
that.
R
I
have
no
problem
with
that
at
all.
You
know.
My
main
issue
is
that
we
had
a
million
dollars
in
the
budget
for
district
7
for
Tampa,
Fire
rest
right
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
know
how
that
money
is
going
to
be
spent,
because
there
are
real
acute
needs
in
district
7
whenever
it
comes
to
Tampa,
Fire,
Rescue
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
keep
on
that.
So
I'm
going
to
motion
for
this
to
come
back
to
us
on
December
15th
and
again.
G
U
As
far
as
first
of
all,
thank
you
all
for
your
support
with
temple
Fire
Rescue
and
for
getting
the
need
out
there
of
helping
the
community
and
for
the
men
and
women
that
are
responding
to
the
calls.
So
when
I
look
at
the
money
for
district
7,
those
moneys,
as
I
stated
before,
is
going
to
be
used
to
put
additional
resources
up
there
to
assist
when
I
reviewed.
It's
all
about
the
data.
We
have
the
information
and
you
write.
It's
not
the
response,
call
the
number
of
calls
it's
a
response
time.
U
So,
when
I
broke
down
those
calls
a
lot
of
that
deals
with
non-emergency
calls
and,
as
I
explained,
the
a
b
and
CD
calls.
So
with
that
I
am
looking
to
see
if
we
can
partner
with
the
non-emergency
units
to
see
if
they
can
have
someone
to
Stage
up
there
to
help
with
that
cold
response
time,
as
well
as
so
in
additional
resources
for
temporary
rescue
in
that
area.
So
we're
talking
about
two
different
boxes:
spark
262
and
263,
which
is
in
K
Barn.
U
We
know
it's
one
way
in
one
way
out:
I'm,
also
working
with
mobility
in
the
county
to
see
about
getting
an
Access
Road
off
the
of
Morris
Bridge.
Now,
with
that,
you
know
once
again
been
in
this
position
for
16
months,
helping
out
the
Newt
North
Tampa
area.
We
finally
got
station
25
and
that
leads
into
the
next
agenda
items
about
station
24
and
25..
So
it
took
us
a
year
to
get
that
station
up
and
running,
which
has
helped
out
the
North
Tampa
area.
U
The
call
volume
has
equalized
among
the
units
up
there,
which
shows
also
the
unit
hour
utilization
for
each
individual
has
decreased,
which
that's
what
we're
looking
for
and
I'm
looking
to
do
that
throughout
the
city
of
Tampa,
but
once
again
it
took
a
year
for
that.
So
it's
going
to
take
time
to
continue.
You
know
moving
along
now
with
that
we
talk
about
Personnel
I
have
hired
over
a
hundred
people
in
the
last
year.
I
do
multiple
hiring
groups
to
get
our
stats
up
and
our
numbers
up
to
help
accommodate.
U
You
know
what
we
need
for
the
community,
so
that
is
my
goal
now,
when
you
say
time,
we
have
I've
worked
with
the
real
estate
department.
We
have
looked
at.
They
have
done
over
part
about
25
plus
rights
that
we
have
had
no
good
luck
on
as
far
as
purchasing
you
know,
and
that
has
also
been
a
concern
and
an
issue
too.
We
talk
about
the
value
of
it
and
we
talk
about
the
location.
U
We
just
can't
put
it
anywhere
and
that's
what
I'm
not
going
to
do
is
just
do
a
knee-jerk
reaction
and
put
it
somewhere
where
it's
not
needed,
so
I'm
strategic,
strategically,
looking
to
find
the
perfect
spot
to
put
this
to
help
the
North
Tampa
area,
as
well
as
assist
the
community
throughout
the
Sea
of
Tampa,
not
just
North
Tampa
I'm,
doing
the
same
thing
for
south
Tampa,
East,
Tampa
and
downtown
Tampa
as
well.
In
the.
A
R
Obviously,
not
looking
for
a
knee-jerk
reaction.
What
I
was
looking
for
was
the
million
dollars
that
were
specifically
dedicated
to
District
Seven.
R
When
you
speak
about
all
the
city
of
Tampa,
we
proposed
a
couple
of
years
ago,
a
public
safety
master
plan
for
all
the
city
of
Tampa
whenever
it
comes
for
police
as
well
as
fire
that
includes
south
of
Gandhi.
That
includes
Sulfur
Springs,
East
Tampa,
South,
Tampa,
North
Tampa,
new
Tampa
et
cetera
Etc.
R
So
this
I
don't
want
this
to
make.
It
seem
as
if
I'm
just
looking
out
for
district
seven
I'm,
looking
at
the
million
dollars
that
we
passed
in
the
budget
and
to
see
how
that's
going
to
go
to
address
the
deficits
that
we
have
in
District,
Seven,
very
simple
side.
I,
don't
want
my
motion
to
be
misconstrued.
U
So
with
that,
I
am
also
putting
a
heavy
Rescue
Unit
up
into
3347,
because
the
need
for
to
respond
to
the
interstate
as
well
as
areas
up
there
I
am
looking.
We
actually
have
a
heavy
rescue
on
order.
That's
going
to
assist
with
the
fundings
of
that
million
dollars,
as
well
as
putting
additional
Personnel
to
offset
that
unit,
as
well
as
additional
resources,
whether
it
be
non-transport
or
transport
up
in
the
334-33647
area.
Great.
H
Chief,
thank
you
for
yours.
We
know
we
again.
You
know
we
started
this
journey
back
in
2019
with
little
station
10..
H
A
lot
of
work
needs
to
be
done
on
that
one
as
well,
but
you
know
we
were
able
to
get
some
things
moving
over
there,
so
I'm
grateful
that
we
did
get
a
Public
Safety
service
supposed
to
come
back
and
talk
about
different
areas
and
the
relief
up
there
with
the
new
station
with
the
remodel
station
that
helps
Sulfur,
Springs
and
maybe
severe
share
some
of
that
that
boundary
there.
So
we
appreciate
the
work
you've
been
doing
and
I
tell
you.
H
You've
hit
the
ground
running
from
day
one
and
you
haven't
looked
back
so
I'm
very
proud
to
say
that
to
call
you,
the
fire
chief,
because
you've
done
a
heck
of
a
job
I
want
to
make
sure
we
are
still
on
with
you
in
the
union
tomorrow,
at
10.,
I
didn't
sit
on
my
calendar,
but
I
have
it
written
down
somewhere.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,
sir.
Talk
about
those
other
issues
that
we're
going
to
talk
about?
Okay.
Well,
thank
you
so
much
what
you're
doing
see
you
tomorrow
morning
at
10.,
okay,
thank
you.
A
R
F
Yeah
this
was
my
motion
and
just
to
set
it
up.
City
attorney
has
sent
us
a
memo
and
at
the
end
of
the
memo
it
says
that
on
page
four
conclusion
and
recommendations
that
should
city
council
I'm
going
to
paraphrase
want
to
regulate
settlement
decisions,
the
recommendation
from
the
legal
department
is
to
limit
only
the
ones
above
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
the
ones
that
have
to
do
with
city
council.
So
unless
you
all
want
to
go
through
that
whole
presentation
here,
I
would
say.
F
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
ask
the
City
attorney
to
develop
an
ordinance
to
delegate
City
council's
authorities,
as
defined
in
Charter,
section,
7.02
and
8.01
to
sign
contracts
for
lawsuit
settlements
under
a
hundred
thousand
and
to
make
payment
for
those
settlements
under
a
hundred
thousand
without
appearing
before
city
council
for
approval
lawsuits
against
city,
council
or
city
council
members
would
not
be
included
in
this
exemption.
The
ordinance
would
be
renewed
every
five
years
to
be
presented
for
first
reading,
consideration
on
December
15th.
A
I'm
going
I'm
going
to
say,
I
haven't
even
heard
the
presentation
from
Miss
Zellman,
I
I
will
say
this.
We
have
a
motion
on
the
floor
from
councilman
Carlson
second
or
from
councilman
her
attack.
My
discussion
is
going
to
be
I'd
like
to
hear
from
staff.
F
Yeah
and
the
report
was
sent
to
us
a
couple
weeks
ago,
so
I
was
just
trying
to
save
time.
If
you
want
to
hear
what
presentation
fine
I
tried
to
get
a
charter
Amendment
related
to
this
and
the
the
recommendation
was
to
do
by
ordinance
and
specifically
exclude,
as
the
document
says
here
exclude
items
under
a
hundred
thousand
and
any
related
city
council.
So
I'm
just
following
those
guidelines
in
in
pushing
an
ordinance.
X
A
X
Yeah,
okay
and
and
it's
not
a
question
of
sides
versus
sides,
the
the
question
was
understanding
the
city
attorney's
role
with
regard
to
the
approval
of
settlements
and,
as
I
explained
in
the
memo
under
the
charter,
the
City
attorney
has
management
and
control
of
all
legal
matters
of
the
city.
X
Legal
matters
include
the
settlement
of
lawsuits,
which
typically
occurs
in
the
majority
of
civil
cases.
I
went
on
to
explain
that
we
have
at
any
given
time
hundreds
of
cases.
X
The
vast
majority
of
them
are
personal
injury,
lawsuits
arising
from
motor
vehicle
accidents
or
trip
and
fall
on
city
property
and
I
went
on
to
explain
that
when
Gina
Grimes
took
over
as
City
attorney
in
2019,
she
established
what
I
think
is
a
very
good
process
whereby
we
have
a
settlement
committee
made
up
of
the
City
attorney
a
deputy,
City
attorney
representatives
of
risk
management
and
then
the
assistant
City
attorneys
that
are
actually
the
trial
attorneys
in
these
cases,
and
we
review
proposed
settlements
at
Great
length
once
a
month
and
typically,
the
timing
of
those
reviews
are
driven
by
the
attorney
has
an
upcoming
mediation,
so
they
need
authority
to
have
some
dollar
amount
to
propose
at
mediation
or
there's
a
hearing
upcoming
or
worst
case
scenario.
X
X
You
know
all
sorts
of
things
that
factor
into
the
decision
as
to
how
much
any
particular
lawsuit
should
be
settled
for
and
then
ultimately
reach
determination
and
have
that
settlement
Authority
now
just
just
to
cut
to
the
quick,
because
I
understand
that
what
Mr
Carlson
is
asking
for
is
for
City
and
Council
to
be
involved
in
approving
settlements.
X
So
what
I
had
suggested
was
actually
one
of
two
things,
although
it
sounds
like,
maybe
he's
combining
them
both
and
that
is
either
just
bringing
to
city
council
for
settlement
approval.
Those
lawsuits
that
involve
an
action
that
Council
took
an
example
would
be
several
years
ago,
Council
passed
an
anti-conversion
ordinance.
It
was
found
to
anti-conversion
therapy
ordinance.
It
was
found
to
be
unconstitutional.
We
now
have
a
demand
for
attorneys
fees
for
which
the
city
is
liable.
X
The
demand
is
for
two
million
dollars,
we're
still
negotiating
that
settlement,
but
when
we
do
reach
a
settlement
amount,
it's
it's
going
to
be
probably
pretty
significant.
So
something
like
that
we
would
bring
back
to
council
and
one
little
piece
I
left
out
of
this
is
for
Council
to
discuss
settlements.
X
We
have
to
have
what's
called
a
shade
meeting
under
Florida
Statutes
and
that's
an
exemption
to
the
government
and
the
Sunshine
Law,
where
we
have
to
notice
the
meeting.
But
then
we
have
it
in
private,
with
just
your
attorney's
present.
We
have
to
have
a
certified
court.
X
Reporter
present,
we
discuss
the
settlement
we
reach
agreement
once
the
case
is
concluded
that
meeting
the
the
transcripts
of
that
meeting
become
public
record,
so
just
just
to
be
clear
that
that
would
be
the
manner
in
which
settlements
would
be
discussed
at
city
council,
unless
you
were
simply
to
approve
a
settlement
on
consent
agenda
now,
but
again,
if
you
pull
it
off
consent,
then
that
triggers
the
shade
meaning.
So
again,
my
two
proposals
were
just
bring
you:
the
settlements
that
pertain
to
City
business
city,
council,
business,
I'm.
X
Sorry,
so
again,
an
ordinance
that
you
pass
an
action
that
you
took
the
land
use.
Things
tend
to
come
back
to
you
anyway,
because
typically
people
invoke
the
flu
drug
process
or
if
they
file
a
petition
for
rid
of
Sir
sharari.
In
any
event,
they
typically
come
back
to
you
with
a
new
proposed
rezoning
plan
or
whatever,
which
you
then
have
to
approve
at
a
public
meeting
anyway,
and
then
the
other
category
I
think
I
referred
to
was
maybe
and
I
can't
think
of
a
particular
example.
X
But
something
in
my
gut
tells
me
this
may
happen
someday
that
there's
a
lawsuit
where
maybe
future
similar
actions
could
be
prevented.
If
city
council
were
to
act
legislatively,
so
it
would
make
sense
to
bring
that
kind
of
settlement
to
you
and
then
my
option,
two
in
the
thank
you
in
the
memo
was
again
just
go
with
the
dollar
threshold
and
there
currently
is
an
ordinance
on
the
books
that
has
a
25,
000
or
more
threshold.
X
My
proposal
would
be
to
increase
that
to
a
hundred
thousand
that's
consistent
with
two
things:
one
looking
to
the
east:
that's
the
threshold
of
matters
that
go
to
the
Hillsborough
County
Board
of
County
Commission,
or
is
anything
below
that
that
can
settle
without
board
approval,
and
that's
also
the
threshold
that
Council
has
set
for
approval
of
contracts,
contracts
a
hundred
thousand
and
above
have
to
come
to
council
contracts
below
that.
Don't
necessarily
have
to.
X
K
We
would
have
lawsuit
settlements
that
we
would
have
to
approve
I.
Remember
one
was
like
sixty
thousand
dollars
and
there
was
no
discussion
on.
It
was
just
on
the
consent
agenda,
but
then
that
disappeared,
I
haven't
not
that
I
recall
lately
in
the
last
few
years,
maybe
three
or
four
years
that
that
that
has
appeared
anymore
was
that
an
executive
decision
or
from
so.
X
Sal
Charrito
had
written
a
legal
opinion,
yeah
August
16th
of
2018.,
a
legal
opinion
interpreting
5.01,
to
provide
that
settlement
of
lawsuits
did
not
need
to
be
approved
by
Council
and
and
therefore
that
was
when
they
stopped
bringing
them.
K
Okay
and
then
one
last
question-
and
this
is
to
councilmember
Carlson's
motion-
says
to
delegate
City
councils,
the
third
authorities,
as
defined
in
the
charter,
and
it
cites
the
sections
to
sign
contracts
for
lawsuit
settlements
under
a
hundred
thousand
meaning.
The
chairperson
would
sign
those
correct
just
like
we
do
on
anything
that
goes
through.
X
Yeah,
it
was
so
I'm
I
would
want
to
flesh
out
this
language
a
little
bit.
It's
very
rare,
it's
very
rare
that
we
have
a
signed
settlement
agreement.
Typically,
when
cases
settle,
the
plaintiff
will
sign
a
release
and
the
city
will
pay,
so
it
really
isn't
about
signing
contracts
or
signing
settlement
agreements.
It's
basically
just
authorizing
the
city
to
move
forward
with
a
settlement
in
a
particular
dollar
amount.
H
K
X
H
As
Elvin
talked
about
when
you
need
to
go
into
a
closed
session,
I
made
mention
about
that.
I
may
mention
about
a
lot
of
these
things.
I
may
mention
that
lawsuits
per
the
ordinance
or
Charter
way
I
read
that
they
should
be
coming
to
city
council
from
HR.
So
we
can
know
how
many
lawsuits
have
been
settled.
H
X
I
may
city
council
attorney
Shelby,
made
me
aware
yesterday
that
in
2006
the
county
approved
an
ordin
I
mean
the
county.
The
city
council
approved
an
ordinance
requiring
HR
settlements
between
ten
thousand
and
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
to
be
reported
to
Council
on
a
quarterly
basis.
X
Apparently
the
reason
none
of
us
knew
about
that
was
that
municode
never
published
that
part
of
the
ordinance.
So
to
my
knowledge,
it's
never
been
followed.
I
would
strongly
incur
whatever
result
comes
from
today.
We're
going
to
have
to
amend
that
part
of
the
code
anyway.
I
would
strongly
encourage
Council
to
remove
that
part
of
the
2006
ordinance
and
I'll.
Tell
you
why
there's
plaintiff's
attorneys
that
keep
databases
of
what
different
jurisdictions
will
pay
for
a
nuisance
settlement.
X
You
know
if
you
get
a
trip
and
fall
in
Hillsborough,
County
I
can
take
your
case
and
I
can
get
you
five
thousand
dollars
without
having
to
do
anything.
You
know
things
like
that
was
obviously
a
hypothetical
example,
but
the
last
thing
we
want
to
do
is
advertise
to
the
plaintiffs
bar
what
we're
settling
some
of
the.
X
If
I
tell
you
how
many
cases
we
get
all
the
time
in
the
cases
I'm
talking
about
are
where
they
actually
file
suit,
there's
that
much
and
more
that
go
to
risk
management
that
are
settled
before
a
suit's,
even
filed,
so
to
to
publish
to
make
public
in
an
easily
obtainable
database.
All
those
claims
is
not
at
all
in
the
city's
interest
and.
H
I
think
an
explanation,
but
what
bothers
me
is
that,
time
and
time
again
we
find
that
things
that
are
supposed
to
be
in
Muny
or
things
that
are
supposed
to
have
been
done.
I
can
recall
back
when
you
talk
about
the
audit
that
never
was
done,
but
it
was
voted
on
and
passed,
but
it
had
been
hadn't
been
inputted,
I
mean
these
are
these
small
things
that
are
happening
and
when
we
have
an
issue
with
this
Council,
it's
like
we're
the
bad
person,
but
we're
not
the
bad
person.
H
Okay,
our
job
is
to
make
sure
that
to
protect
this
house
or
the
city
make
sure
the
rules
are
followed,
and
sometimes
people
don't
like
when
we
be
big
brother
and
say
Hey,
you
know
for
rules
they're,
not
we're
the
bad
people,
that's
the
problem.
I
have
with
with
the
way
this
government
is
running
here.
H
We
bring
up
things
that
that
people
know
that
are
wrong,
but
we
continue
to
show
a
blind
eye
to
them
and
it
will
continue
to
be
bad
when
that
issue
may
come
up,
maybe
a
couple
more
two
more
three
years,
but
eventually
it
may
come
up
again,
but
yeah
we
didn't
fix
it
the
last
time.
This
is
the
problem.
I
have
that
that
to
me
we're
not
sometimes
we're
not
doing
our
job
that
the
public
can
trust
us
to
do.
H
They
entrust
us
to
fix
the
issues
when
they
come
before
us
and
there
are
issues
that
we
have
not
fixed
and
now
today,
I
see
this
item
here
that
we
could
have
dealt
with
on
Tuesday.
We
could
have
dealt
with
it.
The
bottom
line
settlements
need
to
come
to
this
Council.
We
can
know
what
everyone's
doing.
X
F
Yeah,
you
know
what
happened
on
Tuesday.
Is
that
folks
said?
Well,
it's
just
make
it
an
ordinance
instead.
So
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
do
I'm
trying
to
follow
the
the
guidelines
that
were
in
this
document,
the
the
issue,
the
issue
which
I
described
the
other
day,
is
that
there
is
this
2018
memo
from
South
Torito
as
City
attorney
two
paragraphs
that
changed
the
Charter
One
some
of
the
reviews,
some
of
the
media
coverage,
the
other
day
said
we
were
trying
to
expand
the
powers
of
city
councils
like
no.
F
This
is
a
case
where,
in
2018,
a
City
attorney
in
two
paragraphs
took
away
the
powers
of
city
council,
and
so,
if
you
look
the
you're
going
to
get
a
copy
of
in
a
second
but
I
had
miss
Shelby.
Do
some
research
and
there's
plenty
of
examples
of
this,
but
in
2006
there's
a
an
ordinance
that
was
passed
that
mazelman
just
referred
to,
that
that
gives
the
City
attorney
Powers
below
twenty
five
thousand,
if
in
2006
and
pamayorio
signed
it.
F
If
in
2006,
the
city
council
delegated
its
Authority
below
25
000
and
no
Charter,
amendments
were
made
between
2006
and
2018
in
that
regard,
why
did
the
City
attorney
suddenly
make
an
opinion?
That's
adverse
to
a
a
an
ordinance
that
that
the
mayor
at
the
time
in
2006,
signed
and
was
okay
with
something
else
was
going
on,
and
so
what
we?
What
I
want
to
do
and
I
can
read
this
again.
I
think
you
all
have
copies
of
it.
F
What
I
want
to
do,
based
on
what
you
all
said,
the
other
day
is
pass
an
ordinance
following
Ms
zelman's
guidelines,
but
the
key
word
here:
I,
don't
care
if
you
all
make
it
follow
her
advice
and
make
it
a
hundred
thousand
I
pulled
that
from
her.
If
you
want
to
make
it
a
million
dollars,
that's
fine
with
me.
The
number
one
word
that
I
want
in
here
is
delegate,
and
that
is
to
protect
the
powers
of
city
council
that
were
taken
away
by
this
2018
memo.
F
We
cannot
allow
power
to
be
taken
away,
we're
not
asking
for
any
new
powers,
but
the
point
is
that
if
the
City
attorney
is
going
to
sign
contracts
and
and
pay
payments,
we
look
in
in
the
charter
7.02
and
8.01.
We
have
those
Powers
it
I
can
read
this
document,
nowhere
under
the
power
in
5.01.
Nowhere
in
the
powers
of
the
City
attorney.
Does
it
say
that
the
City
attorney
has
the
right
to
sign
contracts
or
pay
payments.
It
says
the
City
Kearney
can
negotiate,
but
negotiate
does
not
mean
sign
contracts
and
pay.
F
Just
like
the
mayor's
office
can
negotiate
a
lease,
but
we
have
to.
We
have
to
approve
the
lease
we
have
to
the
the
mayor's
office
can
negotiate
a
sale
of
a
building,
but
we
have
to
approve
the
contract
and
the
payment
of
it
if
the
City
attorney
needs
flexibility
on
HR
issues
or
whatever.
We
can
add
that
in
here,
but
we
must
have
an
ordinance
that
supersedes
this
letter
from
2018
that
clearly
shows
that
it's
our
power
and
we're
delegating
it
to
the
City
attorney.
Thank
you.
R
Vieira,
thank
you
very
much.
Mr
chair,
yeah
I'm
glad
to
support
this
and
that's
what
I
said
on
Tuesday,
which
is
I,
don't
want
this
to
be
in
the
charter.
If
we
can
look
at
it
reasonably
by
virtue
of
ordinance
and
and
I'll
repeat
what
I
said
on
Tuesday,
which
is
that
a
lot
of
settlements
to
to
have
a
policy
that
brings
all
city
of
Tampa
settlements
before
city
council,
what
put
at
risk
are
legal
claims
and
would
subject
the
city
to
more
lawsuits.
R
Plaintiff's
attorneys,
I've,
never
been
one
I've
been
an
attorney
for
19
years,
always
done
Defense
work
God
bless
the
plaintiff's
bar,
but
they
have
sites
that
talk
about
what
you
can
get
from
different
insurance
companies
from
different
corporate
entities
from
different
governmental
bodies.
Etc,
and
if
we
start
to
publish
that
information
through
city
council
settlement
subject
to
city
council
questioning,
it
will
be
a
giant.
Kick
me
sign
on
the
behind
of
the
city
of
Tampa
for
the
plaintiff's
bar.
That's
a
fact!
That's
a
fact!
R
Then,
whenever
you
deal
with
settlements,
you're
also
dealing
with
things
that
are
a
personal,
the
impression
that
a
plaintiff
makes
the
impression
that
a
defendant
driver
makes
or
a
city
of
Tampa
employee
something
that
maybe
somebody
knows
about
something
in
the
case
that
is
not
public.
Yet,
though
we
don't
want
to
have
public,
but
the
forms
the
basis
or
the
rationale
for
a
settlement.
R
Yes,
sir
diving
so
deep
into
those
issues,
you
know
and
again
this
this
ordinance
proposed
by
councilman
Carlson
100
for
it,
because
it's
reasonable
and
it
pits
those
cases
that
are
larger
or
the
ones
that
originate
from
our
actions.
I'm
100
fine
with
that,
but
it
saves
the
city
again
from
the
having
that
giant.
Kick
me
sign
and
they're
behind
from
Morgan
and
Morgan
and
God
bless.
Morgan
and
Morgan
have
a
lot
of
cases
with
them.
Thank
you.
A
K
It's
we
have
a
different
City
attorney.
It's
not
2018
anymore.
I.
Disagree
with
the
opinion
of
2018
and
I
think
this
is
the
right
thing
to
do
for
the
sake
of
transparency.
Again
I
mentioned
when
I
first
got
here.
We
would
see
these
settlements
sixty
thousand
fifty
thousand
smaller
amounts,
but
they
would
come
to
city
council
and
the
public
had
an
opportunity
to
see
them.
I,
never
remember
any
type
of
discussion.
K
However,
it
was
in
plain
view
somebody
could
pull
the
agenda
and
say
oh
they're,
settling
for
whatever
and
they
knew
about
it
instead
of
not
being
visible
as
it
used
to
be
before
so.
I
disagree
with
the
opinion
of
the
former
City
attorney
I
think
this
is
wise
and
in
the
name
of
transparency-
and
it
just
takes
us
back
to
how
things
used
to
be
when
it
was
more
transparent
early
on
when
I
got
elected
and
I,
don't
see
anything
wrong
with
this,
so
I'm
happy
to
support
it.
H
H
If
we're
gonna
go
ahead
and
it
sounds
like
we're,
gonna
be
able
to
move
something
forward
today
with
Mr
Carlson's
ordinance,
a
proposed
coordinates
to
me
it's
no
different
than
6.03
when
we
talk
about
appointments
versus
the
charter
versus
an
ordinance,
so
I'm
I'm
going
to
be
looking
at
that
in
the
near
future
to
bring
the
appointment
situation
back
as
an
ordinance,
Mr,
Shelby
and
I
need
you
to
give
me
for
the
language
of
that,
because
I
will
be
making
a
motion
for
it
relates
to
bringing
that
back,
because
if
we're
going
to
play
the
shell
game
of,
we
don't
want
to
touch
the
chart
of
the
Constitution
versus
an
ordinance
situation
to
change
things.
H
E
E
I
I
have
no
problem
the
one
that
signed
my
family,
April
2016,
changing
it
from
10
to
25.
X
X
I
was
just
going
to
say
if
I
may
I'm,
reading,
Mr
Carlson's
motion
and
again
my
proposal
would
be
to
amend
chapter
two.
The
way
we
just
talked
about
I
I,
some
of
the
language
in
here
I'm
not
sure,
is
relevant,
so
it
would
be,
but
we
can
discuss
that
when
we
bring
back
a
proposed
ordinance,
never
mind
well
and.
F
X
O
G
A
Y
Item
number
14:
is
you
asked
staff
to
look
at
ways
that
we
could
come
up
come
up
with
ways
that
we
can
help
with
the
probate?
Have
residents
with
probate
process
and
councilman
guzio
and
I
had
some
conversation
on
your
briefing
earlier
this
week
and
so
I
maintained
that
the
probate
process
is
a
private
legal
matter
that
the
city
cannot
interfere
with.
We
are
working
with
I
met
with
well.
Y
Let
me
back
up
attorney
John's
Abby
feely
and
myself
met
with
Miss
Keela
mccaskill
that
had
some
ideas
on
what
we
could
do
with
pro-bred
process.
A
lot
of
it
is
being
proactive
and
making
sure
that
the
citizens
and
residents
know
what
their
options
are
with
property
before
it
actually
enters
into
appropriate
Pro,
the
probate,
the
importance
of
estate
planning.
Y
So
as
a
part
of
our
tenant
Services
team,
we
are
working
with
Mrs
mccaskill
to
put
on
a
workshop
in
second
quarter
of
2023
and
we've
put
out
some
dates,
hoping
to
have
it
at
the
tamper
convention
center,
and
we
have
a
draft
agenda
for
what
that
day
may
look
like.
All
of
that
is
really
promised
around
being
proactive.
Educating
citizens
on
the
difference
between
as
well
the
differences
in
estate
planning
the
difference
between
a
will,
a
trust,
and
how
do
we
handle
real
estate?
Y
The
conversation
that
we
had
on
the
briefing
this
week,
we
talked
about
clouded
title
or
keeping
properties
in
circulation,
particularly
in
housing,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
shared
with
you
is
that
Deputy
Administrator,
Elise
strongo
is
working
on
setting
up
a
CLT.
You'll
have
a
presentation
on
that
soon,
but
if
there
has
to
be
a
public
purpose,
the
city
should
not,
and
I
would
recommend
strongly
against
it
entering
into
private
legal
matters,
to
figure
out
private
issues
regarding
real
property.
Y
However,
if
we
were
in
a
position
where
we
wanted
to
click
a
clean
title,
get
that
property
and
be
able
to
put
it
in
a
CLT
to
protect
it
for
affordability
at
a
later
time.
Those
are
things
that
we're
gonna.
We
can
do
so,
there's
a
fine
line
that
we
have
to
walk
regarding
a
public
purpose
and
not
paying
for
private
services
for
a
for
private
benefit.
Y
H
I
still
contain
that
we
can
have
some
type
of
pilot
program
where
we
can
have
some
dollars
with
some
criteria
for
those
individuals
who
are
Indigent,
who
are
having
issues
that
can't
even
get
to
court
who
don't
understand
a
process
I,
don't
you
look
at
some
of
these
houses
that
have
become
dilapidated
or
have
squatters
in
there
incurring
code,
fines
and
things
like
that?
So
that's
what
I'm
kind
of
looking
at
how
we
can
kind.
Y
Of
navigate,
and
so
for
me,
okay,
so
when
you're
talking
like
that,
it
puts
me
in
the
real
estate,
mind
right
when
you're
talking
about
squatters
and
blighted
property
in
the
CRA
world,
you
purchase
properties
for
strategic
acquisition
and
if
I
was
trying
to
purchase
a
property,
that's
encumbered
with
multiple
ears
and
like
if
there's
the
title
is
kind
of
clouded.
You
have
to
figure
that
stuff
out
there's
a
role
for
the
CRA
to
play
that
we
could
probably
Outsource
with
an
attorney
to
kind
of
work
through
that
those
things
take
a
really
long
time.
Y
You
have
to
look
for
people
to
hunt
down
records,
but
the
public
purpose
in
that
is
to
eliminate
the
blight
and
it
is
a
strategic
acquisition
and
what
I'm
saying
to
do
that
is
I'm.
Not.
We
should
not
be
clearing
the
title
so
that
the
errors
can
then
do
whatever
with
the
property.
Our
public
purpose
would
be
to
clean
up
that
blight,
clear
the
title
so
that
the
city
can
purchase
the
property
free
and
clear,
perhaps
put
it
into
a
CLC.
It's
multi-transaction.
H
H
Those
who
don't
know
to
know
we
can
help
them
know
that's
what
I
want
to
be
able
to
do
to
do.
I
think
we
have
a
meeting
coming
up
with
a
gentleman
that
the
city
was
in
contract
with
in
reference
to
those
type
of
issues,
we're
not
mistaken.
So
hopefully,
during
that
meeting
we
can
clip
a
lot
of
that
as
well,
because
I
understand
somebody
is
on
the
contract
is
reference
to
dealing
with
some
of
these
houses
or
properties
that
have
so
many
liens
on
them.
H
H
You
know,
or
people
can
tell
people
something's
coming
and
I
know
it.
Everything
sometimes
takes
a
moment,
and
you
guys
are
on
a
lot
of
pressure
because
of
this
crisis,
but
when
I
hear
things
and
see
other
places
doing
things,
I
I
can't
negate
my
dudes.
By
bringing
these
things
to
the
Forefront
and
to
you
to
see
what
can
we
do?
Not
what
we
can't
do
so
I
appreciate
what
you've
done
so
far.
Looking
forward
to
the
next
meeting
and,
however,
we
can
finally
get
something
moving
for
our
citizens
who
who
are
in
need.
Y
All
right,
so
the
only
thing
I
just
again,
I
like
to
set
expectations.
Redevelopment
is
a
long
process.
Those
are
not
things
that
are
quick,
but
as
we
ramp
up
like
you,
have
charged
us
with
with
the
CRA
to
start
looking
at
strategic
Acquisitions,
and
we
will
start
looking
at
that.
You
look
at
problem
properties
and
we'll
we'll
begin
doing
that,
but
again,
what's
coming
before
you
soon
is
the
Community
Land
Trust
And.
Y
There
are
some
decisions
that
you're
going
to
have
to
make
with
that,
and
these
are
opportunities
when
we
get
properties
like
that
to
keep
them
in
circulation
and
also
control
the
affordability
piece
for
generations
to
come,
or
you
know
for
a
longer
period
of
time.
The
CLT
is
the
way
to
do
to
purchase
property
property
capture
it
and
keep
it
in
there.
H
Y
Y
H
Z
Afternoon,
chairman
citro
members
of
city
council,
Abby,
feely,
Deputy,
Administrator
development
and
growth
management
item
number
15
on
your
agenda
this
afternoon
is
dealing
with
the
letter
submitted
by
Isabella
Tassie
about
the
University
of
Tampa
and
plant
Park.
I
am
here
today
with
Rebecca
John's
assistant,
City
attorney.
We
have
been
working
together
to
with
the
university
to
renegotiate
several
leases
that
the
city
has
with
UT
that
were
actually
from
1972
and
they
were
50-year
leases
and
they
are
now
upon
us
for
Renewal.
Z
So
we
have
been
working
through
that
those
leases
include
a
number
of
different
matters
between
the
city
and
the
university.
One
of
them
is
the
matter
of
reserving
the
park.
We
are
in
discussions
with
them
on
that
and
those
lease
Agreements
are
going
to
be
coming
back
before
you
in
approximately
60
days.
So
I
don't
want
to
necessarily
go
into
detail
on
what
those
are.
We
are
looking
at
that
process.
Z
What
the
current
process
is,
how
people
Reserve
that
we're
also
aware
there's
some
challenges
with
the
plant
park
facility
in
terms
of
parking
restrooms
things
that
some
of
our
city,
traditional
City
Parks,
have
that
plant
Park.
Does
not
so
if
you
would
afford
US
that
time
to
finish
those
negotiations,
we'll
be
back
before
you
with
that
and
we'd
be
happy
to
discuss
that
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
an
update
on
where
we
are
today.
F
A
quick
question
and
for
disclosure
I
went
to
University
of
Tampa
I.
Think
a
couple
of
us
did,
but
I
always
thought
this:
the
the
university
program
at
park.
No,
the
city,
has
control
over
programming.
So
if
the
city
wanted
to
have
a
big
concert,
there
UT
doesn't
have
any
say
in
it.
Just.
Z
A
question
they
would
we
leased
the
park
to
the
university
and
there
are
conditions
under
which
that
lease
exists
and
if
somebody
does
make
a
request
for
that
park,
it
has
to
go
through
the
procedures.
The
university
currently
has
including
Insurance
liability
reservation,
some
other
things
and
that's
what
we're
working
on
kind
of
truing
up
and
what
that
looks
like
for
anyone
trying
to
reserve
the.
Z
F
H
Miss
Philly,
thank
you
for
that
report
on
yesterday,
waiting
for
it
to
come
back,
you
know
again,
like
you
said,
a
lot
of
these.
Long-Time
leases
are
expiring
now
and
the
times
are
changing
now
and
we
have
to
update
it.
So
I
appreciate
the
report
before
you
come
back
with
that
report
or
the
police
agreements.
Thank.
Z
I
There's
actually
44
and
45
I'm
moving
both.
A
A
A
Second,
we
have
motion
made
by
councilwoman
her
tax
seconded
by
councilman
Maniscalco,
all
in
favor
councilman
Miranda.
Thank
you,
chairman
I
move,
44
and
45..
Second,
we
have
motion
by
councilman
Miranda
seconded
by
councilman
maniscock,
all
in
favor
aye,
councilman
Carlson.
You
have
building
and
Zoning.
A
F
I'd
like
to
read
public
hearing
will
be
held.
This
is
item
number
53
bf-22-78225.
A
public
hearing
will
be
held
regarding
a
proposed
Brownfield
area
designation
for
the
rehabilitation
Redevelopment
of
one
parcel,
approximately
3.75
acres
in
size
located
at
1000
West,
fig
Street
Tampa,
Florida
33606.
This
public
hearing
will
be
held
in
the
Bayshore
boardroom
of
the
Sheridan
Hotel,
located
at
200
North
Ashley
Drive
Tampa
Florida
33602
on
November
28
2022
at
5,
30
PM,
until
not
later
than
6
30
p.m.
A
A
K
K
A
A
AA
K
K
I
You
councilman
Miranda
thank
you,
chairman
file,
number
58,
HL,
22,
76
263,
or
it's
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption,
an
ordinance
in
the
city
of
Tampa
Florida,
designating
Bustelo
brothers
and
Diaz
cigar
factory
located
at
2111
North
Albany,
Avenue,
Tampa
Florida.
It's
more
particularly
ascribed
in
sections
three
thereof
as
a
local
Historic
Landmark,
providing
for
repeal
of
all
ordinance
and
conflict.
K
A
I
F
AA
O
AA
Elaine
Lund
has
start
preservation
staff
Council.
This
item
again
was
presented
to
you
at
its
first
public
reading.
If
you
have
any
questions,
I
am
available
any.
I
E
File
number
htx,
22-77594
ordinance
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption,
an
ordinance
approving
an
historic
preservation,
property
tax
exemption
application
relative
to
the
restoration
renovation
or
Rehabilitation
of
certain
property
owned
by
Ricardo
Ramirez
and
shalita
Johnson,
located
at
5421
West
Dale,
Avenue,
Tampa
Florida
in
the
beach
park.
Multiple
properties,
designation,
local
historic
district
based
upon
certain
findings
providing
for
a
notice
to
the
property
appraiser
of
his
Hillsborough
County,
providing
for
discoverability
providing
for
a
repeal
of
all
ordinances
in
Conflict,
providing
an
effective
date.
A
V
Across
Amos
development
coordination
presenting
file
number
vac
22-20
for
second
reading,
this
is
proposed
vacating.
This
is
the
proposal
to
vacate
the
owl
vacate,
the
alleyway
lying
north
of
Columbus
Drive,
south
of
17th
Avenue
East
of
29th
Street
and
West
of
the
CSX
Earl
Road
within
the
corrected
map
of
Greenville
subdivision
I'm
available.
If
you
have.
AC
K
A
K
K
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr
chairman
I
have
an
ordinance
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Tampa,
Florida
vacating,
closing
just
continuing
and
abandoning
that
Alleyway
located
north
of
Columbus
Drive
south
of
17th
Avenue
East
of
29th,
Street
and
West
of
the
CSX
railroad
within
the
corrected
map
of
Greenville
subdivision
in
the
city
of
Tampa
Hillsborough
County
Florida
has
more
fully
described
in
section
2,
hero
of
subject
to
certain
covenants
conditions
and
restrictions.
V
Well
same
as
development
coordination
presenting
file
number
BAC
22-21,
this
is
a
proposed
vacating
request
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption.
Is
it
proposed
vacating
of
the
alleyway
located
north
of
23rd
Avenue
South
of
24th
Avenue
East
of
the
CSX
railroad
and
west
of
31st
Street
within
the
plat
of
little
Cuba
subdivision
I'm
available.
AD
A
V
Across
name
is
development
coordination,
presenting
file
number
vac
22-23.
This
is
a
proposed
banking
request
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption.
This
proposed
vacating
is
an
Alleyway
located
north
of
Gladys
Street
south
of
Warren
Avenue
East
of
Nevada
Avenue
and
West
Ebola
Avenue
within
the
Plata
benhurst
subdivision
in
the
city
of
techno
I'm
available.
If
you
have
any
questions.
AF
M
Good
afternoon,
Council
was
Andrew,
saying
development
coordination.
This
has
been
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption
at
the
location.
2806
East
Ellicott
Street
proposed
re
zoning
from
RS
50
residential
single
family
to
ig
industrial
General.
It's
been
euclidean,
no
type,
no
site
plan
was
needed,
I'm
here
for
any
questions,
any.
I
You
22
58
Warren,
is
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption
in
order
to
rezoning
property,
General
vicinity
of
2806,
East
Ellicott
Street,
the
city
of
Tampa
Florida,
and
more
particularly
scribed
from
sexual
one.
Zoning,
District
classification,
rs50
residential
single
family
to
ig
and
just
for
General,
providing
an
effective
date.
K
M
The
same
development
coordination
this
is
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption
at
the
location.
One
two:
four
two
Channelside
Drive
and
629
and
635
North
12th
Street
proposed
re
zoning
from
cd2
Channel,
District,
2,
2pd,
plan
development,
residential
multi-family,
storefront,
residential
commercial
and
office
site
plans
have
been
turned
into
the
city
clerk's
office
I
mean
for
any
questions.
Any
questions.
S
Q
Raise
your
right
hand,
do
you
swear
or
affirm
that
the
testimony
that
you're
about
to
give
it's
a
truth
and
nothing,
but
the
truth
I
do.
Thank
you
good
afternoon,
Council
Alex
Shaler.
S
A
Your
closed
by
councilman
Miranda
seconded
by
councilman
Goods,
all
in
favor,
aye,
councilman,
Goods,.
H
It
was
chairman,
r-e-z-22-85
I
want
to
represented
for
second
reading
and
adoption
in
order
it's
rezoning
property
in
the
University
of
1242,
Channelside
Drive
and
629,
and
635
North
12th
Street
in
the
city
of
Tampa
Florida,
and
more
particularly
described
in
section
one
from
doing
District
classification,
cd2,
Channel,
District,
2
to
PD
plan
development,
residential
multi-family,
storefront
residential
commercial
office,
providing
an
effective
date,
and
also
do
we
need
to
move
the
resolution
with
that.
I.
A
Councilman
Goods,
can
you
read
the
the
resolution?
Please
is.
A
Mood
resolution
motion
made
to
move
the
resolution
by
councilman
seconded
by
councilman
Miranda,
all
in
favor
aye.
G
M
A
M
Same
development
coordination
is
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption
at
the
location,
3911
North
Boulevard
this
for
a
special
use,
two
permit
for
approving
a
dental
clinic
in
a
residential
office.
Ro
zoning
District
site
plans
have
been
turned
into
the
city
clerk's
office
I
mean
for
any
questions
any.
A
K
K
You
so
much
well,
I
have
an
audience
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption
ordinance
approving
a
special
used
permit,
su-2
approving
a
dental
clinic
in
an
RO
residential
office.
Zoning
District
in
the
general
vicinity
of
3911
North
Boulevard
in
the
city
of
Tampa
Florida,
as
more
particularly
described
in
section
one
hero
providing
effective
date.
Second
motion.
M
Is
anything
diploma
coordination?
This
is
being
presented
for
a
second
reading
at
adoption
at
the
location,
3402
Henderson
Boulevard.
This
first
special
use
two
permit
approving
a
place
of
religious
assembly
in
an
rm24
residential
multi-family
zoning
District
site
plans
have
been
turned
into
the
city
clerk's
office
I'm
here
for
any
questions.
A
A
K
A
R
Thank
you,
movement,
Origins,
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption
ordinance,
approving
a
special
use,
permit
S2,
su-2,
approving
a
place
of
religious
assembly
and
a
RM
24
residential
multi-family
zoning
District
in
the
general
vicinity
of
3402
Henderson
Boulevard
in
the
city
of
Tampa,
Florida,
there's
more
particularly
described
in
section
one
here
of
providing
an
effective
date.
Second
motion.
M
Development
coordination-
this
is
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption
at
the
location.
407
East
Palm
Avenue
proposed
resulting
from
RM
24
residential
multi-family,
2pd
plan
development,
residential
single-family
detached
and
business
professional
office
site
plans
have
been
turned
into
the
city
clerk's
office
I'm.
Here
for
any
questions.
AG
Council
members
good
afternoon,
William
Malloy,
325,
South,
Boulevard
I,
don't
think
I
have
anything
useful
for
you.
If
you
have
any
questions
I'm
here
to
answer
them.
F
It's
sort
of
like
to
make
a
motion
for
item
number
69
file,
number
Rez,
22-06
ordinance
being
presented
for
second
reading;
adoption,
ordinance,
rezoning
property
in
the
general
vicinity
of
407
East
Palm
Avenue
in
the
city
of
Tampa
Florida,
and
more
particularly
subscribed
in
section
one
for
zoning,
District
classification,
RM,
24,
residential
multifamily
to
PD
plan
development,
residential
single
family,
detached
and
business
professional
office
providing
effective
date.
M
Is
there
any
saying
development
coordination?
This
is
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption
at
a
locations?
Three:
four:
three:
zero:
four:
three:
zero:
six
and
three
zero:
eight
South
MacDill
Avenue
proposed
re
zoning
from
CG
commercial
General
to
PD
plan
development,
residential
single
family
attached
site
plans
have
been
turned
into
the
city
clerk's
office
I'm.
Here
for
any
questions,
any.
I
A
I
You
Mr
chairman
item
number
70
file,
number
res
822-29
or
is
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption
in
order
to
rezoning
property,
General
vicinity
of
304
306
308
South,
MacDill
Avenue
in
the
city
of
Tampa
Florida,
and
more
particularly
scribed.
In
section
one
from
zoning,
District
classification,
CG,
commercial,
General
to
PD
plan
development,
residential
single
family
attached,
providing
an
effective
date.
K
M
Zany
sand
development
coordination,
this
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption
at
a
location,
4848
East,
Busch,
Boulevard
and
9214
North
Hialeah
Road.
Now,
there's
a
proposed
rezoning
from
CI
commercial,
intensive
and
rm24
residential
multi-family
2pd,
plant
development,
air-conditioned
storage
and
Commercial
communication.
Tower
side
plans
have
been
turned
into
a
city
clerk's
office.
If
any
questions.
P
T
H
My
name
is
Chairman
r-e-z-22-31
owners
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption
and
ordinance
researching
property
in
general,
Sydney
of
4848
East
Bush
Boulevard
in
9214
North
Hialeah
Road
in
the
city
of
Tampa
Florida
and
more
politely
described
in
section
one
from
zoning,
District
classification,
CI,
commercial,
intensive
and
REM
24
residential
multi-family
to
PD
plan
development,
air
conditioned
storage
and
Commercial
communication
Tower,
providing
effective
dates.
Okay,.
A
M
This
is
an
insane
development
coordination,
that's
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption
at
the
location,
4208
West
Carmen
Street.
This
proposed
resulting
from
RS
50
residential
single-family
to
PD
plan
development,
residential
single-family
attached
side
plans
have
been
turned
into
the
city
clerk's
office
I'm
here
for
any
questions.
AH
G
A
E
File
number
Rez,
22-35
ordinance
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption,
an
ordinance
rezoning
property
in
the
general
vicinity
of
4208
West
Carmen
Street
in
the
city
of
Tampa
Florida,
and
more
particularly
described
in
section
one
from
zoning.
District
classification,
RS,
50,
residential
single
family
to
PD
plan
development,
residential
single-family
attached,
providing
an
effective.
A
O
M
Me
thank
you.
Zane
Hussein
development
coordination,
this
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption
at
the
location,
209
and
211
South
Gomez
Avenue
proposed
rezoning
from
rm16
residential
multi-family
2pd
plan
development,
residential
single-family
attached
side
plans
have
been
turned
into
the
city
clerk's
office
I'm
here
for
any
questions
needed.
W
A
I
come
to
close
by
councilman
Miranda
seconded
by
councilman
Goods,
all
in
favor
aye.
Thank
you
very
much.
Councilman
Maniscalco.
K
All
right
I
have
an
ordinance
being
being
presented
for
a
second
reading
and
adoption,
an
ordinance
rezoning
property
in
the
Juniper
city
of
209
and
211
South
Gomez
Avenue,
the
city
of
Tampa
Florida,
a
more
particularly
described
in
section
one
from
the
zoning
District
classification,
rm16
residential
multi-pamilied,
a
PD
plan
development,
residential
single
family
attached
providing
effective
date.
Okay,.
A
G
AB
The
national
register
bulletin
number
15,
specifically
criteria
C,
and
that
the
property
maintains
its
essential
physical
features
to
convey
enough
significance
and
holds
on
to
the
aspects
of
the
Integrity
that
are
that
are
vital,
I
previously
handed
City
Council
or
to
City
council's
attorney
code,
section,
27,
261,
subsection,
j2a,
27,
261,
subsection,
I,
the
national
register
bulletin
number
15.,
I,
provided
sample
motions
and
also
the
rules
of
procedure
in
order
to
conduct
the
hearing
before
City
Council.
AB
The
standard
of
review
for
city
council
to
consider
is
based
upon
city
code,
section
27-61,
subsection,
J,
subsection
2,
which
states
that
city
council
can
take
a
de
novo
standard
of
review
in
order
to
conduct
this
review
hearing.
That
means
that
city
council
should
not
be
limited
in
its
review
to
that
information
or
documentation
or
evidence
that
was
provided
to
the
historic
preservation
Commission.
In
order
to
make
your
determination
staff
present
this
afternoon
is
Missy
Lane
Lund.
AB
She
will
provide
an
overview
of
the
application
and
the
boards
and
the
basis
of
the
Bohr's
decision
upon
hearing
all
the
evidence.
In
this
case,
city
council
can
take
a
number
of
actions.
City
council
can
affirm
the
decision
of
the
historic
preservation
commission
and
deny
the
request
to
change
the
designation
of
the
property
from
contributing
to
non-contributing
based
upon
the
property
meeting.
The
criteria
established
in
National
register
of
bulletin
number
15.
AB
city
council
can
remand
the
matter
back
to
the
historic
preservation
commission,
with
specific
Direction
or
city
council
can
overturn
the
decision
of
the
historic
preservation
commission
and
therefore
Grant
the
request
to
change
the
designation
of
the
property
from
contributing
to
non-contributing.
Based
upon
the
property,
not
meeting
the
criteria
establishing
the
code
and
with
that
I'll
turn
the
presentation
over
to
staff.
AA
AA
The
contributing
status
affords
the
structure
of
protection
from
Demolition
and
make
sure
that
it
is
preserved
in
accordance
with
our
local
and
federal
preservation
standards.
The
the
applicant
today
made
a
Rec.
He
was
brought
this
forward
forward
before
you
today.
Excuse
me
made
a
request
to
change
the
status
from
contributing
to
non-contributing,
and
this
historic
preservation.
Commission
heard
this.
AA
Thank
you
request
and
the
property
owner
was
able
to
and
sorry
the
historic
preservation
commission
heard
this
request
and
then
the
HBC
denied
it
at
its
public
hearing.
So
the
property
owners
filed
the
petition
for
review.
This
is
the
subject's
property.
It's
located
in
the
Hyde
Park
historic
district.
Again,
it's
close
to
the
sort
of
southwest
corner
on
the
map
on
the
left.
You
can
see
an
arrow
pointing
to
it
it's
about
a
block
away
from
Howard
Avenue
and
Bayshore
Boulevard.
AA
The
site
was
the
building
was
constructed
around
1921.
This
is
it's
showing
on
the
1922
Sanborn
fire
insurance
company
map
on
the
the
left
side
of
the
screen
and
then
on.
The
present-day
aerial
on
the
right
side
of
the
screen.
The
Sandbar
map
indicates
that
the
majority
of
the
building,
at
least
the
first
floor,
was
constructed
out
of
some
sort
of
Mason
reconstruction.
In
this
case
a
clay
tile.
The
Second
Story
is
indicated
in
the
yellow
and
is
a
wood
frame,
Second
Story
portion
and
it
was
likely
used
as
a
sleeping
porch.
AA
This
is
a
map
of
Hyde
Park
from
about
1923
the
road
that
goes
from
the
top
left
of
the
screen
to
the
bottom
right
is
Howard
Avenue
and
then
Bayshore
Boulevard
is
kind
of
off
to
your
to
your
right
on
the
side
there.
So
you
can
see
how
much
the
historic
fabric
was
already
in
place
in
Hyde
Park
by
this
time.
AA
This
is
a
closer
view
of
the
subject
site
in
that
photograph
and
it's
on
present
day
appearance
here
most
notably,
the
second
story
has
expanded
since
1923.
So
you
can
see
you
can
make
out
a
bit
in
the
the
aerial
photograph
that
the
front
porch
area
the
front
facing
sorry.
This
is
on
the
court
of
DeSoto
and
hills,
and
the
building
looks
like
it's
facing
Hills
Avenue,
even
though
it's
addressed
on
DeSoto,
so
you
can
see
that
that
one
there's
a
one-story
portion
there
along
Hills
Avenue.
That
today
is
a
two-story
portion.
AA
and
then
in
1976
we
pretty
much
see
the
same
thing.
The
maps
were
just
black
and
white
then,
but
there
are
no
significant
changes
to
the
footprint
or
the
descriptions
notated
on
the
on
the
building.
AA
Survey
for
the
Hyde
Park
historic
district
and
the
national
register
nomination
were
written,
submitted
and
accepted
by
the
National
Park
Service.
This
photo
on
the
right
is
from
the
1984
site
file
form
from
when
the
the
building
was
documented
in
84
and
determined
at
that
time
that
it
was
a
contributing
structure
to
the
district
and
then,
of
course,
we
have
the
present
day
photo
on
the
left
there,
showing
how
the
the
two
compare.
AA
So
this
is
the
map
on
your
left.
The
one
in
color
shows
you
the
this
is
the
the
national
register
map
of
the
Hyde
Park
historic
district
I
know
it's
a
little
bit
difficult
to
read,
especially
when
we're
working
with
things
that
we're
scanned
in
past
decades
here,
but
the
blue
lines
showing
the
national
register
District
boundary,
the
red
shows
contributing
structures.
The
yellow
is
an
interesting
category
called
contributing
but
altered
structures,
and
then
the
blue
shows
the
non-contributing
structures.
AA
One
thing
of
note
about
you
know
contributing
structures
is
that
you
know
when
you
have
a
local
historic
district,
it's
a
regulatory
tool
and
that's
you
know
we
use
the
the
code
and
the
design
guidelines
for
the
district
to
preserve.
You
know
the
Integrity
of
the
district
as
a
whole.
AA
The
altered
buildings
that
were
still
considered
to
be
contributing
were
determined
to
be
eligible
for
the
federal
and
local
historic
preservation,
tax
incentive
programs.
So
the
changes
to
the
buildings
were
noted.
However,
they
were
inmates
contributing
to
encourage
their
Rehabilitation,
so
the
local
for
the
local
tax
program
any
and
for
for
any
other
exterior
work.
The
architecture
review
commission
would
be
the
board
in
charge
of
overseeing
the
changes
to
ensure
that
any
work
to
them
is
done
in
an
appropriate
manner.
AA
These
are
just
the
maps
as
they
were
updated
through
the
years.
We
do
minor
changes
to
the
maps
to
reflect
any
new
construction
in
the
districts.
Any
demolitions
in
1992
the
building
was
still
shown
as
contributing
and
in
2017
our
latest
update
to
the
map.
It
was
still
showing
us
contributing.
AA
So
within
the
historic
district,
you
know
it's
the
district
itself
that
is
considered
the
significant
property
and
it's
a
concentration
of
structures,
United
historic,
historically
or
aesthetically
by
the
plan
or
physical
development
and
the
individual
components
in
the
district.
May
themselves
lack
individual
distinction.
You
know
this
house
on
its
own
would
not
be
something
that
we
would
look
at
as
a
a
potential
Historic
Landmark,
the
Hyde
Park
historic
district
is
a
largely
residential
neighborhood.
AA
AA
The
national
register
nomination
that
that
had
the
contributing
altered
status
in
it
went
on
to
elaborate
that
you
know
gave
examples
such
as
enclosing
porches,
making
inconsistent
additions
that
these
can
you
know
these
sorts
of
changes
to
a
building
would
make
it
altered,
but
noted
that
the
altered
buildings
were
eligible
for
those
tax
incentive
programs,
The
Arc
review
process,
which
is
what
we
do.
You
know
locally
for
the
ad
valorem
tax
and
sentencing
programs
ensures
that
the
structures
will
be
appropriately
rehabilitated
and
enables
the
change
for
their
continued
use.
AA
You
know,
as
stated,
many
of
the
structures
do
exhibit
some
degree
of
modification,
but
the
overall
historic
Integrity
of
the
district
is
maintained
through
the
collection
of
the
existing
contributing
structures
and
loss
of
contributing
structures
undermines
the
Integrity
of
the
district
and
diminishes
its
legitimacy
just
sort
of.
To
recap.
AA
The
request
was
for
a
change
in
status
from
contributing
to
non-contributing,
and
the
HBC
heard
this
request
on
June
14th
of
this
year,
and
it
determined
that
1314
South
DeSoto.
Sorry,
it
was
determined
by
staff.
1314
South,
DeSoto
Avenue
was
built
during
the
High
Park
historic
districts
period
of
significance.
AA
It
was
identified
in
the
1985
nomination
for
the
national
register,
listed
High,
Park,
historic
district
and
determined
to
be
contributing
but
altered,
and
it
has
been
shown
as
contributing
on
all
maps
for
both
the
locally
designated
and
the
national
register.
Historic
districts
for
Hyde
Park,
the
classification
of
the
structure
has
been
consistent.
AA
Alterations
to
the
two
elevations,
except
for
the
enclosure
of
the
garage
were
in
place
at
the
time.
The
structure
was
originally
determined
to
be
eligible
as
contributing,
and
therefore
staff
considers
that
its
Integrity
has
been
maintained.
AA
The
HPC
motion
I,
see
on
your
screen
for
you,
as
Miss
Pettis
Michael
stated
they've
moved
to
further
to
deny
the
application.
AA
F
AJ
Thank
you.
Jamie
Mayer
of
Law
Firm
hellward
Henderson
representing
the
applicant
101
East,
Kennedy,
Boulevard,
Suite,
3700
and
I
have
been
sworn
and
I'm.
Trying
to
put
this
thumb
drive
in
here.
A
AB
AJ
Well,
in
the
meantime,
we
did
as
you're
now
seeing
we
distributed
packets
with
copy
of
the
PowerPoint,
as
well
as
a
copy
of
a
letter
from
Mr
Saul
Fleischman.
Although
he's
also
here
to
provide
testimony
later
in
our
presentation
and
also
letters
of
support
from
surrounding
property
owners
in
a
map
showing
where
those
letter
where
those
letters
originated
from
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
you
all
had
that
before.
A
AJ
When
you
look
at
the
main
elevations
of
this
structure,
the
word
contributing,
even
in
its
most
basic
sense
and
in
its
historic
sense,
does
not
come
to
mind
accordingly.
This
was
a
decision
that
the
HPC
struggled
to
make.
It
was
a
split
3-2
decision.
However,
the
first
motion
to
deny
failed.
The
second
motion
was
a
motion
to
approve
that
failed.
AJ
After
a
lot
of
deliberation,
there
was
a
renewed
motion
to
deny,
which
only
passed,
because
one
member
who
had
been
abstaining
voted
without
comment,
so
the
ultimate
decision
was
to
just
maintain
the
status
quo
that
it
had
been
labeled,
contributing
before
the
evidence
that
well
it
had
been
labeled
contributing
on
all
the
other
Maps.
Therefore,
it
must
be
contributing
that
is
not
the
standard.
As
you've
heard,
there
is
a
very
Express
standard
which
I'll
get
into
later,
but
it
was
pretty
much
all
that
the
HPC
had
to
go
off
of.
AJ
AJ
AJ
AJ
Now
one
thing
that's
important
to
note:
as
staff
mentioned,
there
was
a
list
submitted
when,
when
this
District
was
prepared,
a
list
of
all
the
structures
in
Hyde
Park
within
the
district
and
each
structure
was
described,
whether
contributing
or
not,
and
this
structure
was
described
as
an
undistinguished,
boxy
two-story
vernacular
dwelling
as
we
hear
from
Mr
Fleischman
as
well.
That
is
not
an
identified
principle.
Architectural
style
of
the
Hyde
Park
historic
district.
AJ
Also
again,
it
was
labeled
altered,
but
contributing
the
alterations
are
changes
to
the
structure
that
are
inconsistent
with
the
structure's
character,
but
the
original
character
really
has
never
been
defined.
It
was
never
a
noteworthy
structure
in
and
of
itself
again.
Footprint
on
a
Sanborn
map
doesn't
really
say
anything
about
the
structure
so
between
the
alterations
which
Mr
Fleischmann
will
also
describe,
and
it's
undistinguished
original
form.
As
the
inventory
specifically
says,
this
was
not
and
is
not
a
contributing
structure.
AJ
Here's
a
snapshot
of
that
historic
Hyde,
Park
inventory.
This
is
just
a
little
cross-section
of
properties
in
Hyde,
Park
up
and
down
what
used
to
be
called
DeSoto,
Park
Avenue.
As
you
can
see,
all
of
these
contributing
structures
are
a
specific
style.
We
expect
out
of
Hyde
Park
Mediterranean
Revival
frame,
Bungalow
colonial
revival,
Craftsman
Bungalow.
Then
we
get
down
to
1314.
AJ
AJ
Maybe
it
was
a
single-family
structure
back
when
it
was
constructed,
but
records,
and
these
Campa
Tribune
clippings,
for
example,
show
that
as
early
as
in
the
50s
upper
and
lower
duplexes
were
advertised
here
at
this
structure,
and
that
is
the
actual
use
of
the
site.
Today
it
is
Zone
multi-family.
It
was
Zone
multifamily
before
it
was
designated.
AJ
So
here
are
the
standards
that
well,
the
standards
are
very
thick
manual
from
it's
called
the
national
register
bulletin
number
15,
which
is
referenced
in
the
city
of
Tampa
code
as
the
standards
that
the
HPC
applies
when
evaluating
a
request
to
go
from
contributing
to
non-contributing,
while
his
Hyde
Park
creates
the
historic
context.
The
bulletin
is
very
clear.
Individual
structures
within
that
District
must
themselves
possess
Integrity
in
order
to
contribute
to
the
historic
significance.
AJ
In
other
words,
that's
how
they
are
contributing
and
a
threshold
question
to
assess
the
Integrity
is
you
have
to
define
the
essential
physical
features
that
must
be
present
in
that
structure,
for
it
to
retain
its
significance?
Now
we
heard
that
term,
but
we
have
no
idea.
We
were
not
told
or
provided
any
evidence.
What
these
essential
physical
features
are
and
I
again,
no
one
in
favor
that
we've
heard
of
maintaining
the
status
that
staff
has
not
provided
any
evidence
of
what
the
essential
features
are
or
that
they
are
retained
if
they
exist.
AJ
It
does
not
satisfy
these
historic
significance
threshold
to
even
meet
the
critical
aspects
of
Integrity,
as
Mr
Fleischman
will
also
discuss
again.
Just
a
note
about
that
altered,
but
contributing
status,
an
altered,
but
contributing
structure
is
one
which
has
undergone
alterations,
inconsistent
with
this
character,
but
those
alterations
can
be
returned
with
reasonable
effort
and
cost
to
approximately
its
historic
form.
But
here
it
says
it
has
to
be
evident
that
these
changes
are
remedial
in
order
to
be
altered
by
contributing
rather
than
just
non-contributing.
AJ
Well,
it's
very
easy
to
dismiss
all
these
alterations.
I
suppose
is
remedial
without
any
analysis
or
discussion
of
that,
and
we
disagree
which
again
you'll
hear
more
from
Mr
Fleischmann
on
that,
but
at
minimum
the
alterations
compound,
the
lack
of
Integrity
that
this
structure
has
and
is
evident
from
what
may
be
left
of
its
original
form.
The
structure
itself
did
not
have
significance
so
to
kind
of
bring
that
together.
There's
no
concrete
evidence
of
what
the
structure
is
really
supposed
to
be.
AJ
It
didn't
have
a
style,
it
doesn't
have
a
style,
there's
no
articulation
of
what
its
essential
physical
features
were
or
how
they've
been
retained
and
there's
no
definition
of
how
alterations
made
to
it
are
remedial
could
easily
be
reversed
and
what
the
structure
would
be.
Remediated
too,
in
addition,
as
I
think,
the
photos
make
pretty
clear:
the
structure
is
beyond
repair
is
totally
dilapidated.
AJ
Inspectors
have
deemed
not
only
is
it
not
compliant
with
the
building
code,
but
it
cannot
be
brought
up
to
the
building
code
because
of
the
way
it's
been
cobbled
together.
Insurance
companies
will
not
insure
this
in
this
structure,
so
it
can't
be
legally
inhabited
and
hasn't
been
for
two
and
a
half
years
again.
We
have
reports
from
Architects
insurance
companies
and
inspectors
stating
as
much
I'll
skip
through
this,
because
Mr
Fleischman
is
here
to
speak.
AJ
He
evaluated
this
property
and
again
I'll
have
him
come
up
in
a
minute,
but
in
addition
to
Mr
fleischman's
testimony,
we
received
letters
which
are
in
your
packet
of
neighbors
expressing
their
support
for
removing
the
contributing
status
of
the
structure,
and
these
are
stakeholders,
property
owners
in
Hyde,
Park
themselves,
former
Arc
board
member
one
of
them
many
members
of
historic
Hyde,
Park,
neighborhood
association,
Architects
contractors,
people
who
lived
in
Hyde
Park
and
have
for
a
long
time,
even
as
you
can
see
those
who
live
around
it,
don't
see
its
value.
AJ
People
don't
like
this
structure.
Again,
these
are
just
some
quick
summaries
of
these
letters,
but
I
would
urge
you
to
just
read
those
at
least
as
much
as
you
can
in
their
entirety
and
see
what
the
the
neighbors
who
are
actually
affected
by
this
property
and
who
do
live
in
Hyde.
Park
have
to
say.
AJ
AJ
AJ
More
contributing
structures
are
coming
into
the
district,
so
removing
this
one
building
from
the
contributing
roster
is
not
going
to
impact
the
district's
legitimacy.
In
fact,
it
is
not
as
legitimate
to
use
the
status
for
structures
that
do
not
warrant
it.
That
does
not
serve
the
goal
of
preservation,
so
we
urge
that
Council,
please
do
overturn
the
hpc's
decision,
which
was
a
split
vote
and
take
the
contributing
status
from
this
structure
and
I
will
now
ask
Mr
Fleischmann
to
come
up.
AK
The
first
one
was
25
years
ago
in
1997
quarter
of
a
century,
and
that
was
1801
Bayshore,
which
was
the
Swan
House,
which
was
an
old
house,
but
it
had
been
altered
over
the
years.
So
I
made
the
case
that
which
the
aarc
agreed
to
that
the
designation
needed
to
be
changed
because
it
was
non-remediable
non-remedial
and
they
finally
agreed
to
it
changed
the
designation.
AK
AK
This
is
a
very
similar
request,
because
this
building
has
been
changed
a
number
of
times
over
the
years.
In
fact,
the
thing
that
gives
me
most
heartburn
about
it
was
the
removal
of
the
original
Second
Floor
Terrace
on
Hills
Avenue,
that
at
the
time
overlooked,
not
only
Bayshore
Boulevard
but
Hillsborough
Bay
in
the
distance.
AK
That
was
a
important
character,
defining
element
for
this
house
and
it's
gone
because
of
an
addition
on
the
second
floor
that
was
very
insensitively,
designed
that
addition
has
Windows
that
are
poorly
proportioned
they're,
almost
squared
not
narrow
and
tall,
like
the
existing
windows.
On
the
first
floor
of
the
house
and
the
existing
windows
on
the
north
side
of
the
second
floor,
which
was
part
of
the
original
fabric
of
the
home,
the
windows
are
aluminum,
that's
forbidden
in
the
historic
district,
they
need
to
be
wood
or
they
need
to
be
a
composite
wood.
AK
So
I
mentioned
the
proportions,
so
the
historic
form
of
the
house
because
of
the
loss
of
that
second
floor
tariffs
in
the
addition
does
not
resemble
the
original
House.
AK
AK
AK
In
fact
this
morning,
when
I
want
to
take
a
final
walk
around
to
make
sure
what
I
was
saying
was
accurate.
There
was
a
lady
walking
her
dog
and
she
saw
me
taking
pictures
and
she
said
hey.
What
did
these
city
council
say?
I
said:
well,
it's
actually
this
afternoon.
Why
don't
you
try
to
attend?
She
says
that
house
needs
to
come
down.
It's
an
eyesore
I
can't
I
hate.
AK
It
I
mean
it's
and
she's
talking
on
the
phone,
and
she
said
I'm
talking
to
Stacy
Hahn,
who
is
on
our
Hillsborough
County,
School,
Board
and
Stacy
agrees.
It
needs
to
come
down
so
anyway.
I
strongly
urge
you
to
change
the
designation
to
non-contributing
to
allow
it
to
come
down,
and
then
the
arc
will
approve
anything
that
replaces
it
and
I
guarantee
you.
It
will
be
a
lot
more
Charming
thanks.
So
much.
A
T
I'm
delacosta
vice
president
historic,
historic,
High,
Park,
historic
preservation,
historic
Tampa,
Hillsborough
County,
my
God
hhp,
a
historic
High,
Court
preservation,
Association
I'm,
Patrick
gimino,
is
president
of
the
association
he's
out
of
the
country
I'm
going
to
read
to
you
the
motion
that
the
hhp
a
made
regarding
this
case
motion
to
support
this
was
made.
This
action
was
taken
in
June
2022
support
the
HBC
staff,
finding
that
the
property
located
at
1314,
South
DeSoto
Avenue,
should
retain
its
contributing
stat,
contributing
structure
to
the
High
Park
historic
district.
T
The
property
embodies
this
distinctive
architecture
of
the
typing
period
that
maintains
the
original
architectural
features
of
a
historic
building.
In
other
words,
we're
asking
you
to
listen
to
your
staff.
I'll
submit
this
into
the
record
and
the
Spanish
Town
Creek
neighborhood
association
also
passed
a
motion
supporting
the
staff.
I
think
you
have
that,
but
I'm
going
to
give
it
to
you
into
the
record.
One
of
the
things
very
briefly
that
I
want
to
say
is
undistinguishable
is
not
a
criteria
for
declassification
of
a
historic
building.
T
If
you
were
to
use
a
criteria
undistinguishable,
you
will
not
have
the
houses
in
dolbyville
Ybor,
City,
they're,
indistinguishable
uninhabitable.
It
is
not
another
criteria.
Insurance
criteria
is
not
a
criteria.
When
you
have
a
historic
property,
that's
empty!
You
can't
get
insurance,
that's
across
the
board,
but
that
doesn't
make
it
disqualified,
as
the
non
does
not
make
it
a
non-contributing
structure.
Thank
you,
chair.
T
Well,
I'm,
an
architectural
historian,
I
sat
on
the
historic
Hillsborough
County
preservation.
Commission,
the
same
one
as
Saul
Flashman
set
on
I
was
the
administrator
of
the
architecture
or
review.
Commission
I
was
an
Adjunct
professor
in
historic
preservation.
The
International
Academy
of
Design
and
architecture,
I
lecture
at
the
University
of
Florida,
both
in
Gainesville
and
Nantucket,
on
historic
preservation
with
a
non-contributing
structure,
is
when
you
cannot
see
any
more
of
his
character,
defining
features
Burns,
and
then
this
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
restroom.
T
The
building,
where
Burns
is
housed
in
below
that
that
building
is
a
historic
building.
It's
red.
It
was
red,
brick
classic
early
20th
century
vernacular
commercial
architecture,
storefronts,
wood
doors,
wood
windows.
What
you
see
in
Ybor,
City,
the
windows
have
been
boarded
up.
The
original
all
the
original
openings
that
have
been
boarded
up.
It's
been
stucco
over
the
architecture
has
changed.
That's
an
example
of
a
historic
building
becoming
non-uh
non-contributing
being
ugly
or
indistinguishable
is
not
a
criteria.
Code
is
not
a
criteria.
I,
don't
like
it.
It's
not
a
criteria.
T
T
H
I
have
for
staff,
I've
listened
to
the
applicant
and
the
expert,
so
I
want
to
ask
staff.
When
you
talk
about
the
code-
and
this
is
what
I'm
having
trouble
with.
If
if
this
this
probably
cannot
be
brought
up
to
code,
what
do
we
do
we
just
let
a
building
dilapidated
it
can't
be
robbed
to
cold
I'm.
That's
what
I'm
having
trouble
with.
AA
Elaine
Lund
historic
preservation,
staff,
the
number
of
buildings-
and
you
know
the.
AA
Let
me
back
up
a
bit
I-
guess
the
cutoff
for
the
year
that
we
consider
a
building
to
be
contributing
to
the
Hyde
Park
historic
district
is
1933.,
bringing
all
those
buildings
that
were
you
know,
built
from
1933
and
earlier
up
to
present
day
building
code.
I
think
that
would
be
yes,
definitely
a
huge
Challenge
and
it's
not
you
know
a
requirement,
except
for
perhaps
insurance
purposes
or
other
safety
issues.
But
as
far
as
you
know,
the
rehabilitation
work.
AA
AB
From
the
city
attorney's
office,
councilman
Goods,
the
criteria
that's
before
city
council
was
has
been
provided
in
the
packet
on
what
the
request
is
before
city
council
to
change
the
designation
from
contributing
to
non-contributing.
Those
are
the
factors
city
council
should
use
in
order
to
determine
whether
or
not
to
change
the
status
of
the
property.
Those
are
the
same
standards
that
the
historic
preservation
commission
used
in
determining
whether
or
not
the
property's
designation
should
be
changed
from
contributing
to
non-contributing.
AB
Those
are
the
sole
factors
that
can
be
used
in
determining
whether
or
not
to
either
overturn
the
hpcs
decision
or
to
affirm
it
and
I
hope
that
answers
your
question.
But
this
the
the
information
is
provided
in
your
packet
on
the
criteria
that's
used
in
order
to
determine
whether
or
not
the
petitioner's
request
should
be
what
city
council.
H
And
the
reason
is:
I
keep
hearing
I
keep
hearing
from
both
sides.
So
that's
why
I'm
asking
I'm
glad
you
you
stood
to
sit
there,
because
when
I
see
a
pack
and
I
hear
the
gentleman
talk
about
colds
and
explanation,
I
I,
that
gets
my
mind
a
little
bit
different
error
saying:
is
this
a
nice
story
in
the
community?
Is
this?
Is
it
falling
down?
I
mean
I'm,
just
trying
to
make
sure
I'm
clear
on
it.
AL
AL
My
degree
is
from
the
University
of
Florida.
I
have
participated
in
Hands-On
preservation,
work,
The,
Nantucket,
preservation
program
under
the
U.S
Department
of
State
historic
American,
Building
survey,
also
the
Florida
Department
of
State
Historic
Site
nomination
program
for
Palm
Beach
County
and
was
also
instrumental
in
producing
the
privately
funded
four-year
architectural
survey
of
the
town
of
Palm
Beach.
AL
AL
My
architecture,
career
in
Tampa,
has
revolved
around
historically
designated
neighborhoods
one
the
renovation
and
modernization
and
additions
to
contributing
historic
structures
to
the
design
of
new
structures
in
historic
districts
and
three,
the
strict
restoration
of
historic
structures.
The
latter
includes
the
restoration
work
on
Hillsborough
County's
oldest
residence,
the
Mosley
house,
the
Florida
trust
for
historic
preservation.
Incorporated
has
awarded
me
twice
for
new
infill
structures
in
historic
neighborhoods.
AL
The
subject
of
discussion
today
is
the
two-story
masonry
and
frame
residents.
The
1314
DeSoto.
This
historic
residence
was
constructed
in
1921
and
is
a
mix
of
styles
all
of
the
same
period,
submission
Spanish
eclectic
with
Prairie
influences.
This
is
the
field
guide
to
American
houses
by
Virginia,
Lee
30.
P
G
AL
Okay,
this
house
is
1902
West,
Morrison
Avenue.
You
can
see
the
shape
that
it
was
in.
AL
You
can
see
the
porches
the
second
floor.
Gallery
had
been
enclosed.
The
same
was
true
for
the
back.
This
is
also
was
a
porch
that
was
enclosed
and
that's
what
it
looked
like
from
the
front.
AL
This
is
what
it
looked
like
finished
and
it
appeared
in
Southern
Living
magazine
to
say
that
the
property
at
1314
is
on
remedial
is
very
far-fetched.
You
can
see
from
these
photos.
Thank
you
very
much,
sir.
AC
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
Patricia
Somerville
I
live
at
2107
West
decal
Avenue
in
historic,
Hyde,
Park
I
agree
with
the
findings
of
the
professional
staff
and
the
decision
of
the
historic
preservation
commission
regarding
1314
South
DeSoto
Avenue
I
also
want
to
make
the
point
that
there
would
be
many
more
neighbors
here
with
the
expressing
the
same
that
I
have
just
expressed
where
this
meeting
held
in
the
evening.
Many
of
us
work
during
the
day.
Thank
you.
AM
AM
We
are
losing
more
and
more
and
more
homes
every
day
owners
who
don't
maintain
their
historic
property,
allowing
their
property
to
deteriorate
only
to
claim
enormous
cost
of
repair,
claiming
economic
hardship,
an
economic
hardship
due
to
the
owner's
preference
as
to
what
he
would
like
to
do
with
the
property
and
allows
his
property
to
deteriorate
is
not
sufficient
to
constitute
a
hardship
entitling
the
owner
owners
have
a
duty
to
maintain
their
property
and
should
be
held
responsible.
As
per
Tampa
code
of
ordinance.
Chapter
27
and
19.
AM
AM
His
signature
on
the
purchase
contract
was
an
agreement
that
he
was
prepared
to
accept
the
responsibility
of
this
historic
home.
So
why
did
he
buy
it?
He
knew
then
that
this
home
is
an
important
part
of
our
City's
history.
It
was
built
in
1921
and
in
1985
was
designated
as
a
contributing
structure.
When
Hyde
Park
became
a
historic
district
locally
and
under
the
National
Historic
registry,
our
historic
preservation
commission
found
no
changes
in
their
review
of
the
1314
South
DeSoto.
They
are.
AM
A
AE
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
Linda
salsena
and
I
live
at
157
Biscayne
in
Tampa
years
ago
years
and
years
ago,
I
was
a
young
staff
planner
at
the
Planning
Commission,
and
helped
write
the
Hyde
Park
plan
at
that
time.
That
was
way
before
coming
to
be
a
member
of
Tampa
city
council.
At
that
time,
Hyde
Park
was
in
Dreadful
Dreadful
shape.
Most
of
the
larger
homes
had
been
chopped
into
rooming
house
rooms.
AE
You
couldn't
get
a
loan
from
a
white
Bank
in
those
days,
Banks
were
segregated
and
the
level
of
deterioration
was
really
poignant.
It
is
extraordinary.
The
strides
Hyde
Park
has
made
over
the
last
several
decades.
Actually
I
took
a
walk
in
this
very
neighborhood
yesterday
and
was
so
impressed
by
the
level
of
Maintenance,
which
hasn't
been
seen
in
Hyde
Park,
since
many
of
these
homes
were
originally
created.
The
home
that's
being
discussed
today
as
a
potential
con,
as
as
a
contributing
structure,
has
not
been
one
of
the
of
the
fortunate
structures.
AE
It
has
not
seen
tender,
loving
care,
it
has
been
mistreated
with
improper
windows
with
improper
siding,
but
the
good
news
for
buildings,
as
opposed
to
people,
is
that
you
can
re
you.
Can
you
can
replace
the
windows
with
the
historically
appropriate
ones?
You
can
replace
the
saw
fighting
with
the
original
siding,
that's
appropriate
and
you
can
bring
it
back
to
the
original
character,
which
is
still
there
underneath
the
the
unfortunate
interim
changes
I.
Look
to
you
all.
This
is
not
easy.
AE
This
is
not
a
spectacularly
glamorous
gorgeous
building,
it
is
a
vernacular
building,
but
what
we're
discussing
today
is
the
quality
of
a
historic
district,
and
the
key
word
is
contributing.
This
is
not
and
was
never
one
of
Hyde
Park
Superstar
structures.
It
is
a
modest
home,
but
it's
a
nice
home
and
it
contributes
to
the
feel
the
scale,
the
character
it
has
all
of
the
bones.
AE
AJ
Just
for
the
record
Jamie
Mayer
again
for
the
applicant
a
few
points
here.
First
of
all,
no
one
wants
to
actually
talk
about
this
property.
We've
heard
a
lot
about
the
district.
We've
heard
a
lot
about
some
history
of
the
district
and
other
just
positive
things
about
this
District.
But
nobody
wants
to
talk
about
this
house.
I,
don't
know
about
you
all,
but
I
still
don't
know
what
the
essential
physical
features
of
this
structure
are.
That
are
what
make
it
significant
and
how
those
structures,
those
features,
have
been
retained.
AJ
I,
don't
know
that
from
public
comment
and
I,
don't
know
that
from
staff
people
keep
referring
to
this
as
a
home.
It
is
not
a
home,
it's
a
multi-family
structure
and
it
has
been
a
multi-family
structure
for
70
years
at
least,
and
it
is
zoned
multi-family.
So
this
is
not
there's.
No,
it's
not
a
contributing
home
and
that
word
is,
is
thrown
around
incorrectly
and
again.
The
HPC
report
has
that
incorrectly
it
is
not
a
home.
It's
a
multi-family
structure.
AJ
Not
once
has
anybody
actually
applied,
including
staff,
the
national
register
Bulletin?
How
is
integrity?
How
have
we
actually
seen
how
this
structure
has
Integrity?
How
have
we
actually
seen
what
its
essential
physical
features
are?
Now
as
to
the
letters
we
received
in
support
if
you've
read
those
letters,
I
think
it's
pretty
clear
that
these
neighbors
are
very
familiar
with
the
structure
and
their
opinion
is
very
strong,
that
it
is
a
terrible
structure
and
provides
no
value
and
is
not
worth
saving.
AJ
Those
are
the
letters
that
are
in
your
packet
and
they
they
knew
what
this
structure
is
and
again
I
want
to
remind
Council
that
HPC
struggled
with
this
decision.
There
was
three
motions:
two
failed
and
the
HPC
did
not
have
the
Benefit
of
Mr
fleischmann's
testimony.
He
was
not
at
that
hearing.
They
did
have
the
neighborhood
association's
letter
and
testimony
so
they
had
all
of
that,
but
they
still
struggled
with
the
decision
because
it
was
not
clear
what
was
so
significant
about
this
property
I
believe
our
the
client,
our
applicant,
sorry,
our
client.
L
Thank
you
very
much:
I'm
Jim
Blackman
I'm,
the
property
owner
at
1314,
South
DeSoto
I'd,
like
to
address
the
gentleman's
question
on
the
the
code
specifics,
but
first
give
some
context
to
the
comments
that
I
heard
earlier:
I'm,
not
petitioning
under
a
hardship,
consideration
I
simply
mentioned
and
asked
our
team
to
mention
the
inability
to
ensure
the
property
as
a
function
of
it
not
being
to
code
and
cannot
be
brought
up
to
code.
L
Why,
specifically,
is
that
true
from
a
professional
inspector's
report,
he
said
specifically,
the
house
was
constructed
without
a
crawl
space,
no
space
underneath
no
space
in
the
walls
and
no
space
above
to
run
the
required
Plumbing
electrical
mechanical
equipment.
He
said
it
is
not
to
code
and
the
building
cannot
be
brought
to
code.
That
is
a
relevant
point
to
bring
up
in
this,
because
the
request
out
of
the
HPC
staff
report
is
that
the
building
and
the
suggestion
is
that
it
can
be
rehabilitated
according
to
the
Secretary
of
interior
standards
for
rehabilitation.
L
That
is
not
correct
because
before
it
goes
into
those
standards
of
Rehabilitation
the
Secretary
of
interior
standards.
First,
paragraph
says
that
these
steps
are
to
be
executed
under
the
considerations
of
Economic
and
Technical
feasibilities
unquote.
So
that
is
the
basis
by
which
we
proposed
and
put
into
the
presentation
that
the
building
is
simply
not
up
to
code
and
cannot
be
brought
up
to
code.
I
am
a
preservationist.
I
have
lived
in
Hyde
Park
for
20
years,
plus
I
am
an
hhp.
L
A
member
I
have
preserved
my
own
house,
I,
have
the
trifecta
of
preservations
I,
have
a
ad
valorem
tax
credit
I,
have
the
historic
preservation
banner
and
my
house
was
featured
as
a
top
property
two
blocks
away
on
the
2011
historic
home
tour
I
bought
this
property
with
the
full
intention
of
restoring
this.
It
was
only
after
a
reluctant
inspections
and
piecing
and
pulling
apart
the
apartments
that
this
building
had
been
divided
up
into
that
I
realized
very
unfortunately,
the
car
is
simply
totaled.
L
I
want
to
restore
the
the
car
that
has
been
involved
in
the
accident,
but
I
simply
cannot
I
want
to
finish
with
one
last
line:
we're
referencing
the
nrb.
The
staff
report
referenced
the
nrb
pages
44
to
49
under
the
caption.
How
to
evaluate
the
Integrity
of
a
property
if
we
are
to
evaluate
the
Integrity
of
a
property
we
have
to
do
so
in
its
entirety.
L
Everyone
took
an
oath
to
tell
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing,
but
the
truth,
but
part
of
that
truth
was
left
out
specifically
if
a
historic,
exterior
building
of
material
is
covered
by
a
non-historic
material
such
as
modern
siding,
which
mine
is
the
the
property,
can
still
be
eligible.
If
it's
significant
forms
and
features
are
not
obscured.
Mine
are
here
key
point.
L
If
a
property's
exterior
is
covered
by
a
non-historic,
false
front
or
curtain
wall
which
mine
is
the
property
will
not
qualify
under
criteria
a
b
or
c
such
a
property
I'm
skipping
down,
because
I
might
run
out
of
time,
but
such
a
property
also
cannot
be
considered
a
contributing
element
in
a
historic
district.
That
is
the
very
code
quote
out
of
page
47.
That
is
included
in
the
report,
so
by
default.
The
HPC
staff
report
makes
our
very
case.
Thank
you.
K
R
We
go.
Thank
you
very
much.
You
know,
I
I,
always
and
I
say
this
a
lot
publicly
in
a
lot
of
hearings.
Rezoning
Etc
always
give
staff
reports
a
lot
of
deference
and
and
whatnot
they're
kind
of
as
I
always
say
the
the
the
legs
in
a
stool
that
we
can
use
to
approve
or
deny
the
case
so
I
know
this
has
been
stated
in
in
so
many
ways
before.
R
But
if
I,
if
I
may
ask
the
council
here
what
what
distinguishes
your
position
or
your
case
from
that
report,
not
just
the
not
just
the
the
the
decision
of
the
board
previously
but
the
actual
report.
AJ
So
and
apologies
if
I,
if
I
misunderstand
the
question,
but
my
answer
is
simple:
there
is
no
evidence
provided
there's
no
analysis
of
the
criteria.
There's
no
evidence
applied
to
those
criteria
in
the
staff
report.
Staff's
burden
is
not
met
and
has
not
been
met
at
all,
and
that's
really.
That
is
the
Crux
of
it.
AA
Elaine
Lund
Who
start
preservation
staff.
The
fact
that
this
property
is
currently
contributing
is
a
decision
that
was
made
in
the
1980s.
We
are
not
have
not
been
charged
with
determining
whether
or
not
it's
still
you
know
meets
that
particular
criteria.
Only
with
whether
or
not
it
should
be
changed
to
non-contributing.
A
AA
Okay,
so,
but
I
believe
I
said,
was
that
what
you
know
we
were
doing
in
the
staff
report
was
stating
the
facts.
You
know
the
house
was
the
building
was
determined
to
be
contributing
in
the
1980s
and
has
remained
as
such.
And
basically
you
know
our
position
was
not
to
reassess
it
at
this
point
as
to
whether
or
not
should
be
contributed
or
non-contributing,
but
so.
I
Have
believed
question
Miranda,
I,
I,
just
I'm,
listening
to
it
very
intensely
and
there's
three
things
we
can
do,
move
to
a
firm
move
to
remand
and
move
to
overturned
am
I,
correct,
counselor.
I
There's
only
one
thing
in
my
mind
in
listening
to
both
sides
and
both
sides
in
a
very
professional
job,
in
making
the
presentation.
However,
at
the
end
I
heard
one
comment
when
they
said
that
the
what
we're
hearing
now
Mr
Flashman
did
not
report
that
was
not
present
in
the
hearing
where
the
historic
preservation
commission
is
that
correct.
AB
He
provided
some
addition.
He
provided
some
information
this
afternoon,
but
the
board
did
not
hear
what
he
said.
He
he
was
not
present
for
the
HBC
hearing.
Thank
you
very
much.
F
Just
wonder
and
and
the
applicants
kind
of
get
the
last
word
and
can
rebut
all
this
I
think,
but
could
I
legal
tell
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
can
I
can
I
invite
ask
the
gentleman
from
University
of
Florida
Mr
grunke
I
forgot
your
name.
You
started
to
give
up.
You
ran
out
of
time,
but
you
started
to
give
us
your
analysis
on
the
on
the
three
different
architectural
Styles
and
the
the
historic
significance
of
this.
Yes,.
AL
Thank
you
very
much
quickly.
This
book,
the
field
guide
to
American
houses,
is
the
go-to
book
for
the
City
of
Tampa
preservation
staff,
the
preservation
department.
This
book
is
used
across
the
United
States
as
a
guide
to
the
to
evaluate
the
historic
quality
of
Styles
and
out
of
this
book.
Thank
you.
AL
AL
AL
AL
It
has
not
been
damaged
in
any
way.
The
building
fits
into
the
time
period
from
Spanish
eclectic
low,
pitched
roof.
This
house
has
it
a
stucco
surface
walls.
It
has
it
also
the
second
floor
was
frame,
and
that
was
very
common.
Michalaker
McAllister
also
notes
that
10
percent
of
this
typology
features
flat,
roofs
which
this
building
had
on
these
small
projections.
If.
A
AD
AL
The
prairie
style
is
evident
in
the
shape
of
the
windows
and
the
way
they're
positioned
on
the
building.
Also,
the
prairie
style
emphasizes
Simplicity
and
decoration.
AL
What
many
people
are
calling
a
unimportant
building
is
the
fact
that
its
Simplicity
is
apropos
to
its
style,
so
this
building
is
absolutely
a
example
of
quality
historicism
belonging
to
the
Hyde
Park
neighborhood.
AL
AK
Things
saw
Flashman,
324,
Hyde,
Park,
Avenue
Mr
grunke's
comments
are
a
bit
of
a
stretch,
I'm
not
sure
I
can
see
any
mission,
style
or
craftsman
style
influences
in
this
home.
Mediterranean
Spanish
eclectic
because
it's
stucco
and
has
a
covered
porch,
that's
a
stretch.
If
it
was
either
one
it
would
probably
have
arches
or
decorative
corners
in
the
entrance
to
the
porch
prairie
style.
That's
a
real
stretch.
It
does
have
a
hip
roof
with
prairie
style
homes
had
really
long,
cantilevered
Eaves
as
Olive
Frank,
Lloyd,
Wright
and
horizontal
trim
horizontal
lines.
AK
AK
A
AJ
Sorry,
if
I
may
I
think
we
still
have
just
a
couple
more
minutes
to
match
that
extra
time.
Just
a
couple
of
really
really
quick
points.
The
historic
Hyde
Park
guidelines
specifically
say
there
is
one
precisely
one
example
of
a
prairie
style
in
the
district.
So
and
it's
not
this
one,
it's
a
specific
identified
structure
in
those
guidelines.
I
just
want
to
point
that
out.
AJ
If
it's
a
mix
of
all
of
these
Styles,
why
was
it
labeled
by
the
city
in
its
inventory,
as
an
undistinguished,
boxy
two-story
vernacular
dwelling
when
they
could
have
labeled
it
as
any
of
these
other
Styles,
as
they
were
clearly
very
capable
of
doing
and
ascertaining
what
those
styles
were
at
the
time
they
were
taking
an
inventory
and
if
it,
if
it
really
is
a
mix
of
all
of
these
Styles,
why
is
the
city's
professional
staff?
Why
were
they
unaware
of
it
in
their
staff
report?
AJ
H
And
Miss,
let
me
know
if
I'm
down
the
wrong
slope
here,
can
City
staff
answer
her
question?
What
style
of
home
is
it
or
was
it.
AD
Mr,
chairman
members
of
council,
the
answer
is
that
you
have
an
opportunity
to
ask
questions.
You
have
an
opportunity
to
to
get
the
answer,
the
questions
and
then
you
had
rebuttal
and
what
happened
was
that
in
response
to
a
question,
it
required
additional
time
for
rebuttal.
AD
If
you
go
by
your
rules,
you
know
your
procedures
are
set
forth.
The
question
is,
you
know.
AD
H
H
AA
A
A
AB
AB
K
Thank
you
very
much.
I've
heard
both
sides
and
a
lot
of
evidence
and
having
said
that,
my
motion
would
be
to
move
to
affirm
the
hpc's
decision
to
deny
the
request
to
change
the
designation
status
from
contributing
to
non-contributing
regarding
application
number
HPC
2022-2
for
the
property
located
at
1314
South
DeSoto
Avenue,
because
the
petition
does
meet
the
criteria
set
forth
in
code,
section
27-261,
I
and
the
national
register
bulletin
number
15.
A
O
F
Would
just
like
to
add,
as
as
evidence
or
back
up
to
the
motion,
that
we've
had
testimony
from
staff
that
it
about
the
the
architectural
style
we've
had
Tech
we've
had
testimony
by
three
experienced
experts,
including
either
current
or
former
Professor,
from
the
University
of
Florida,
who
went
through
in
detail
to
talk
about
the
different
styles
that
are
represented
in
the
in
the
in
the
architecture,
and
the
the
three
experts
in
the
community
testified
as
to
the
fact
that
it
is
a
contributing
structure
and
its
importance
and
relevance
to
the
surrounding
areas.
E
I
would
also
like
to
add
as
facts
that
that
it
retains
the
majority
under
Criterion
see
it
does
retain
the
majority
of
the
features
that
illustrate
its
style
in
terms
of
the
massing
spatial
relationships,
proportion,
pattern
of
Windows
and
Doors
textures
and
materials
and
ornamentation
and
as
a
comment
I
see
those
Styles
when
I
look
at
the
photos,
I
see
Craftsmen
in
this
absolutely
I
see
mission
style
in
this,
so
I
I,
actually
I
I
can
physically
see
those
myself.
AB
A
Anything
else
I
will
I
will
just
make
a
couple
statements
in
in
our
paperwork,
that
is
on
a
legal
basis.
There's
just
a
couple
things:
defending
the
the
essential
physical
features,
all
properties
changes
over
time.
It
is
not
necessary
for
the
property
to
retain
all
its
historic
physical
features
or
characteristics.
Then
I
come
down
to
visibility
and
physical
features.
Properties
eligible
eligible
under
criterias,
a
b
and
c
must
not
only
retain
their
essential
features,
but
the
features
must
be
visible
enough
to
convey
their
significance.
A
A
A
AC
Q
A
R
Chair
councilman
Viera,
if
I
may,
I
I,
hopefully
will
be
able
to
stay
to
the
end
in
case,
if
I
don't
if
I
may
I
know
this
is
unorthodox,
I
was
presenting
a
commendation
to
the
Tampa
Hispanic
bar
may
I
just
quickly
moved
for
that.
Second,
surely
just
so
I
don't
like
to
present
things
without
just
in
case.
Thank
you.
There
you
go.
AB
AB
Unlike
the
previous
case,
city
council
will
have
two
actions
that
they
can
take
regarding
this
matter.
After
hearing
all
the
evidence
in
the
in
this
case,
the
petitioner
for
this
Apple
regarding
this
matter
is
Michael
Cass
IE.
He
made
a
request
of
staff
to
allow
for
six
foot
high
PVC
fence
along
the
South
property
boundary
with
the
five
foot
buffer
staff,
determined
that
the
request
does
not
meet
the
criteria
in
the
code
AS
outlined
in
code
sections
27-284.3.3
and
code,
section
27-60,
which
gives
the
criteria
regarding
design
exceptions.
AB
City
council
was
previously
provided
the
code
sections
that
I
just
stated,
along
with
27-61
sample
motions
and
rules
of
procedures
in
order
to
conduct
this
hearing.
The
standard
of
review
regarding
this
matter
is
a
de
novo
review,
which
means
that
city
council,
according
to
the
code,
can
accept
new
evidence.
AB
You
can
take
public
testimony
and
make
a
decision
to
determine
whether
or
not
the
application
or
the
petitioner
meets
the
criterias
outlined
in
27-60
regarding
alternative
design,
exceptions,
staff,
this
presence
to
give
an
overview
of
the
requests
and
the
basis
for
staff's
decision
and
upon
hearing
all
the
evidence.
In
this
case,
city
council
can
take
two
actions
in
this
matter.
City
council
can
affirm
the
decision
of
staff
and
thereby
deny
the
request
to
allow
a
six
foot
high
PVC
fence,
along
with
this
along
the
South
Boundary,
with
a
five
foot
buffer.
AB
In
doing
that,
if
you
affirm
it
you're
saying
that
the
request
does
not
meet
the
criteria
as
outlining
code,
section,
27-60
or
city
council
can
overturn
the
decision
by
staff
and
thereby
Grant
the
request
to
allow
six
foot
high
PVC
fence
along
the
South
property
boundary
with
the
with
the
five
foot
buffer
in
order
to
overturn
staff's
decision
city
council
must
determine
that
the
request
does
meet
their
criteria.
Criteria
outlined
in
27-60.
A
A
A
AI
Okay,
all
right,
so
this
is
de122
35
applicant
Michael,
Cass
property
is
4619,
North,
Clark
Avenue
and
the
zoning
is
industrial
General.
AI
AI
This
is
the
property
in
question,
and
the
South
property
line
is
where
the
applicant
was
asking
for
the
reduction
these.
This
is
the
standard
for
review
staff
made
the
decision
that
a
was
not
met,
and
that
is
the
exception
either
interferes
with
the
rights
of
others
is
provided
in
this
chapter
Norris
and
joyous
to
the
public,
health,
safety
or
general
welfare.
A
A
AI
W
AI
You're
welcome,
okay,
so
the
adjacent
property
owner,
the
one
to
the
South
expressed
his
opposition
in
a
meeting
with
staff
and
declined
to
sign
an
affidavit
affidavit
presented
by
the
petitioner
in
support
of
the
reduced
buffer,
and
this
is
a
site
plan
that
the
applicant
had
submitted.
So
it
is
the
South
property
line,
as
you
can
see
in
the
yellow
highlight
this
is
what
he's
proposed
as
a
six
foot,
high
PVC
fence
and
then
a
five
foot
buffer,
because,
as
you
can
see
on
the
site
plan,
there
are
buildings
and
there's
landscape.
AI
This
is
a
picture
of
the
site
on
the
right
side
of
the
screen.
It's
a
turquoise
is
the
single
family,
and
that
would
be
the
property
line
where
the
six
foot
wall
and
15
foot
buffer
should
have
been.
AI
A
AB
O
AB
Kamaria
had
a
snackle
from
the
city
attorney's
office
if
I
could
just
have
staff
just
re-explained,
there's
two
basis
in
which
staff
denied
the
application
from
the
petitioner
it's
based
on
2760a
and
subsection,
a
and
subsection
e.
That's,
according
to
the
letter.
AI
The
letter
I
do
not
have
in
front
of
me
a
is
the
one
that
a
is
the
interferes
with
the
property
and
E
is
the
approval
of
the
exception
of
Standards
include
conditions
of
approval
as
necessary
to
ensure
that
adjustments
granted
does
not
constitute
a
grant
of
special
privacy
privileges
inconsistent
with
the
limitations
upon
other
properties
in
the
vicinity
and
within
the
same
zoning
District
foreign.
AB
Kamaria
Pettis
Mackle
from
the
city
attorney's
office.
Yes,
the
staff's
decision
is
insire
it
it's
a
part
of
the
packet
that
was
emailed
to
city
council.
I
Let
me
see
it
under
under
your
your
staff
report,
I
like
to
make
sure
that,
where
it
says
here,
code
section
and
exception
requested
code
requires
a
buffer
between
group,
a
single-family
resident
and
Group
C,
open
storage
vehicle
recover
a
six
foot
masonry
wall
with
a
15-foot
landscape,
buffered,
consistent
of
lawn
and
low
growing
green
corrupts
right.
That's
what's
required,
correct,
it's
correct
and
the
request
is
for
a
six
foot,
PVC
fence
and
a
five
foot
buffer
correct.
Thank
you
very
much.
You're
welcome.
A
AN
Hi
good
afternoon,
Council
Christina
Rainey
on
behalf
of
the
petitioner
Michael
Cass
cash
Schuler,
1505,
North,
Florida
Avenue
I'll,
be
very
brief
up
top
in
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
AN
After
speaking
with
Eric
Cotton
on
staff,
he
said
he
would
not
have
had
an
objection
to
the
alternative
design.
We
were
going
to
do
an
eight
foot,
PVC
fence
with
a
five
foot
heavily
landscaped
buffer
and
that
the
only
reason
that
they
had
an
objection
was
because
of
the
objection
of
the
neighbor
to
the
South.
AN
AN
All
right,
so
as
you,
okay,
as
you
can
see
here
with
the
two
buildings
in
yellow
they're,
obviously
much
closer
than
15
feet,
and
then
here
you
can
see
in
more
detail
the
parking
spaces
that
are
already
here
and
so
it
it's
not
possible
with
the
use
of
the
property
to
have
a
15-foot
buffer.
A
A
A
AN
Understand
so
the
PV,
fencing
or
PVC
fencing
that
has
been
proposed
is
a
solid
barrier,
so
there
wouldn't
be
any
light
intrusion
from
the
property.
AN
As
far
as
loud
noises
I
mean
no
more
noise,
Than
Cars,
passing
on
the
street
outside
of
your
house,
I,
would
say
that's
kind
of
the
same
thing.
There.
A
AF
I
hope
I
still
have
a
little
energy
left
foreign
good
afternoon
city
council.
I
will
try
to
make
my
statement
brief
and
to
the
point.
Ever
since
this
man,
Mike
Cass,
purchased
the
parcel
at
4619
North
Clark
Avenue,
which
abuts
my
property
I
didn't
give
you
my
name.
Sorry,
my
name
is
Bill
calvo
c-a-l-v,
like
Victor,
o
and
I,
reside
at
46,
17,
North,
Clark,
Avenue
and
I
bought
the
4619
on
the
North
property
line.
AF
Ever
since
this
man,
my
cats,
purchased
the
prop
the
the
parcel
at
4619
North
North,
Clark
Avenue,
which
abuts
my
property.
On
the
south
side.
It
has
been
a
nightmare.
AF
He
collects
five
rents
there,
three
landscaping,
companies
are
there
two
to
three
residents
in
the
back
building,
which
is
about
230
square
feet
made
for
one
person.
I
should
know
I
once
lived
there,
Mr
Cass
has
told
people
quote:
I
purchased
this
property
and
I
can
do
with
it.
What
I
want
unquote
keep
in
mind
this
man
is
a
lawyer
and
should
know
better
well,
he
can't
do
whatever
he
wants.
Next,
to
my
home,
my
Homestead
of
27
years
and
for
your
information,
he
broke
open
the
front
with
no
permits
and
covered
it
up.
AF
I'm
talking
about
the
cement
that
was
shown
in
front
of
the
property
no
permits
he
was
cited
and
covered
it
up
with
no
engineering,
no
engineer
signing
off
the
laptop
the
whole
site
again.
No
permits
thus
caused
more
flooding
to
me
about
a
year.
About
a
year
ago,
Tampa
PD
narcotics
unit
raided
the
place
they
arrested
at
least
two
people
for
Distributing
methamphetamine
used
using
using
the
tow
trucks
and
motorcycles
to
do
so.
AF
That
was
confirmed
to
me
by
Tampa
PD,
because
I
went
out
there
and
spoke
at
them.
Tampa
PD
told
me
what
was
going
on
there.
Mystic
has
told
me
quote:
they
are
nice
people
there
sure
they
are,
one
of
which
is
still
there,
a
tow
truck
driver
when
I
left
the
sign
when
I
left
the
sign
saying
please
return
my
Amazon
package.
After
four
days
he
came
to
my
door.
I
thought
it
was
a
mailman.
It
was
this
tow
truck
driver.
AF
He
got
in
my
face
through
the
through
the
sign.
In
my
face
and
told
me
if
I
ever
effing
go
over,
there
he's
going
to
do
me
bodily
harm
ever
since
I
always
have
to
have
a
firearm
ready
because
of
tenants.
He
has
Mr
Cash
and
Joe
miss
the
Cass
enjoys
a
six
foot
cement
wall
on
his
north
side,
which
I
had
put
up
with
Mr
Miranda's
help
way
back,
and
now
he
raised
it
to
eight
foot
cement
wall
on
his
Northern
buffer.
AF
AF
G
AF
A
AF
AF
AF
W
W
AF
K
AN
AN
A
A
AN
AN
Ey
on
behalf
of
the
petitioner,
I
guess
just
to
start
off
with
I,
don't
see
how
any
of
that
is
relevant
and
I
have
no
knowledge
of
five
tenants
being
there.
Any
of
that,
so
I
just
want
to
start
off
with
that.
That
I,
don't
think
any
of
that's
relevant
to
this
issue.
Here
with
the
fencing
as
you're
aware,
the
intent
of
section.
AN
27-284.33
is
to
reduce
the
impacts
of
new
or
expanded
use
on
adjacent
existing
users,
so
the
point
of
this
was
to
add
additional
Landscaping
to
create
more
of
a
buffer,
as
you
can
see
from
the
pictures
there's
not
much
of
a
buffer
existing.
At
this
point,
the
current
wood
fence
is
falling
down.
So
that's
why
the
new
fence
is
needed.
AN
Let's
see
the
reason
a
masonry
wall
wasn't
proposed
was
because
it
would
be
prohibitively
expensive.
It
was
about
55,
000
I,
believe,
whereas
the
PVC
fencing
was
ten
thousand.
So
that
was
the
reason
that
was
proposed.
AN
The
applicants
proposed
design
and
use
to
the
property
does
not
impact
the
adjacent
property
owner's
enjoyment
of
his
property.
However,
it
does
impact
the
applicant's
use
of
the
property
if
that
15-foot
buffer
is
required.
AN
G
AO
The
applicant
may
I
speak
yes,
sir.
My
name
is
Michael
Cass
I
my
office
is
at
1505
North
Florida
I
listened
to
Mr,
calvo
I,
don't
really,
frankly,
know
what
he's
talking
about.
AO
I've
had
one
tenant
in
there
since
I
purchased
it
and
the
there
was
a
I've
applied
for
a
change
of
views
as
a
result
of
a
code
enforcement
violation,
which
is
why
I'm
here
today
and
the
the
property
is
about
235
feet
long
from
back
to
front
and
that
I'm
told
by
my
architect
that
that's
about
a
55
000
wall.
The
wall
doesn't
really
make
a
difference.
AO
If
you
have
a
plain
PVC
fence
in
there
and
I'm,
not
sure
exactly
what
the
problem
is:
I
rent
to
a
one-man,
towing
company-
that's
been
there
for
the
five
year
or
the
four
or
five
years
that
I've
owned
it
and
I
think
there
was
a
problem
with
somebody
doing
some
kind
of
drugs
there.
AO
But
it
certainly
wasn't
my
problem,
but
was
taken
care
of
and
hasn't
occurred
since
then
and
I
would
ask
the
council
to
approve
the
design
and
I'm
willing
also
to
go
to
an
eight-foot
fence
which
was
proposed
by
Mr
cotton,
but
Mr
calvo
denied
that
so
I'm
not
trying
to
you
know:
I've
own
property
I
in
this
County
for
52
years,
I've
lived
here
for
52
years,
I
practiced,
law
here
and
I,
take
care
of
my
properties
and
I'm,
like
kind
of
a
amazed
at
the
fact
that
Mr
Calvert
thinks
I
had
a
landscaping
company
in
there.
A
We
have
motion
closures
from
councilman
Maniscalco
seconded
by
councilman
Carlson,
all
in
favor
aye.
What
is
the,
what
is
the
pleasure
of
counsel
well,.
F
I'd
like
to
move
to
overturn
the
zoning
Administration
denial
of
this
design
exception,
application
to
E1
22-235
for
the
property
located
at
4619
North
Clark
Avenue,
because
petitioner
distr
demonstrated
that
the
petition
is
consistent
with
the
optical
general
standard
set
forth
in
section
27-60.
I
Viera
yeah
any
discussion
I
just
want
to
discuss
for
a
minute,
I,
don't
know
how
long
that's
been
going
on
five
years,
two
years
or
whatever,
but
when
you
buy
a
piece
of
property,
it's
up
to
the
bear,
the
bearer
of
the
purchaser
to
make
sure
that
that
purchaser
meets
all
the
qualifications.
That
is
necessary
at
the
time
that
he
he
or
she
makes
that
that
purchase.
That's
all
I'm
going
to
say,
gotta
swim
with
her
attack.
E
A
K
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr
chairman
I
make
a
motion
to
uphold
the
zoning
Administration
administrators
denial
I
moved
to
uphold
the
zoning
administrator's
denial
of
the
design
exception,
application
de1-22-235
for
the
property
located
at
4619
North
Clark
Avenue,
because
the
petitioner
failed
to
demonstrate
that
the
application
is
consistent
with
the
applicable
standards
set
forth
in
section
27-60.
Q
K
Comment,
the
the
property
owner
should
have
known
beforehand
before
making
that
purchase
I,
don't
see
the
the
dire
needs
for
the
approval.
That
is
a
what
is
what
is
the
term
that
I'm
looking
for
yeah,
exactly
the
hardship
and
the
necessity
for
for
having
to.
K
AD
A
E
Does
not
comply
with.
E
Q
M
C
Real
quickly
and
I
apologize
for
doing
it
so
late
today,
but.
M
C
Spoke
to
Mr
Shelby
about
this
earlier
today,
Mr
rohiro
reported
back
to
you
that
we
have
found
money
in
the
budget
to
hire
outside
Council
to
help
prepare
the
charter,
amendments
and
I'd
spoken
to
three
outside
law
firms
that
we
have
contracts
with
to
see.
If
they
are
available
to
do
so,
they
all
said
they
would
they
could,
but
it's
a
short
time
frame,
so
I
wanted
to
get
the
names
to
you
all
this
afternoon
to
see
if
I
could
get
your
whichever
Law
Firm
you
would
like.
C
So
the
law
firm,
the
three
law
firms
I
spoke
to
were
Brian
Miller,
Olive,
gray,
Robinson
and
neighbors
Gibble
and
I've
done
that
in
alphabetical
order,
all
of
them
are
good
law
firms.
They
have
attorneys
that
do
governmental
law
have
a
governmental
practice
and
have
been
involved
in
Charter
issues
before
so
I.
Just
yes,
sir,
on.
F
We
probably
all
know
all
those
firms,
but
what
criteria
should
we
use
to
pick
them?
Is
there
any
criteria?
I
all.
C
All
three
are
very
well
qualified
firms.
I
have
any
of
those
three
would
be
good
firms.
They
all
have
attorneys
that
have
worked
on
Charter
issues
that
are
good
government
lawyers.
I
I,
you
know.
If
you
wanted
to
ask
for
a
preference
I,
you
know
it
it's
hard
to
tell
you
which
one
is
better
Brian
Miller
off
the
neighbors,
give
one
I'll
just
give
you
a
little
background.
We
use
primarily
for
Bond
work,
but
they
also
have
very
large
government
practices
throughout
the
State
of
Florida
and
they
have
good
government
lawyers.
C
As
you
know,
gray
Robinson's,
here
locally
they
have
government
lawyers
as
well,
some
of
whom
actually
were
in
our
office.
So
those
attorneys
have
been
involved
with
Charter
issues
as
well.
So
those
are
all
three
good
choices.
I
would.
F
I
I
would
just
I
know
all
three
of
them.
I
would
suggest
Brian
Miller,
all
of
just
because
they
haven't
been
involved
in
some
of
the
other
issues
that
that
we've
had
all
three
are
great
firms.
F
A
H
Q
X
Apologize
I
just
had
a
quick
request.
Andrew
zelman
I
didn't
realize
until
I
got
upstairs
that
the
motion
that
was
submitted
on
item
number
13
had
a
date
by
which
you
wanted
that
back
and
I
believe
it
was
December
1st,
which
would
require
it
to
be
uploaded
in
Desire
by
November
17th,
which
would
give
me
less
than
two
weeks
to
draft
it.
I
need
to
run
it
by
risk
management
and
also
I'd
like
to
let
some
of
the
litigation
attorneys
in
my
office
provide
input.
So
I
I'm
here
to
ask
for
more
time.
F
A
F
H
Yesterday
was
Jeremy,
you
know,
I,
don't
like
to
leave
things
on
finished
business.
As
you
know,
we
had
some
issues
along
the
way
this
year
and
I
know.
A
lot
of
members
did
not
want
to
change
our
constitution.
Our
rules,
but
I
pray
that
we
can
do
things
by
ordinance.
So
I'm
going
to
ask
for
Indulgence
from
this
motion
and
representative
ordinance
motion
legal
department
to
draft
ordinance
for
discussions.
H
Here's,
the
Departments
and
any
administrative
personnel
with
an
administrative,
Authority
or
responsibility
to
equal
to
or
greater
than
that
of
the
department
ahead.
The
city
council
within
15
days
after
such
submission
she'll
approve
disapprove
such
appointments
and
the
failure
of
the
city
council
to
act
upon
any
such
nomination
within
same
time
sometimes
shall
be
appointment
thereof
in
the
event
of
this
approved
by
the
city
council
of
any
set
appointments.
The
mayor
within
90
days
thereafter,
shall
submit
to
the
city
council
the
name
or
another
nominee.
H
The
mayor
May
select
an
interim
appointment
until
appointment
of
the
nominee
by
city
council,
shell,
which
shall
be
for
a
period
of
the
90
days
and
which
may
extend
be
extended
in
additional
90
days
and
shall
be
fulfilled
only
by
a
person
who
is
an
existing
employee
of
the
city.
The
power
of
removal
of
such
officers
shall
be
visited
exclusively
in
the
mayor,
with
the
exception
of
the
city
clerk,
as
provided
in
section
3.01.
Herein.
K
K
Supreme
Court
Justice
that
Supreme
Court
nominee
is
vetted
through
various
bodies
of
government
in
in
history.
They
usually
get
approved
not
in
every
case,
but
you
know
it
goes
through
a
vetting
process
here
in
the
city
of
Tampa.
We
don't
have
that
that
system
until
it's
being
you
know
proposed
now,
but
looking
at
this
with
no
fewer
than
four
votes,
you
need
four
votes
to
pass.
The
budget.
K
You
need
four
votes
for
to
get
a
rezoning
pass:
alcoholic
beverage,
the
four
votes,
the
majority
of
the
seven
I-
don't
see
this
as
weakening
the
strong
mayor
form
of
government,
because
at
the
end
it
says
the
power
of
removal
of
such
officers
shall
be
vested
exclusively
in
the
mayor.
So
once
that
person
is
approved
right,
we
can't,
as
a
city
council
with
four
votes
fire
that
person
the
mayor
as
a
strong
mayor,
has
the
opportunity
and
exclusive
opportunity
to
fire
that
individual.
K
So
we
may
not
like
their
performance,
but
we
can't
do
anything
about
it,
because
it's
a
strong
male
form
of
government
I
think
it's
I,
think
it's
fair.
It
should
not
be
controversial.
You
know
I
understand.
We
discussed
this
on
on
Tuesday,
but
I
really
don't
see
anything
wrong
with
this.
We're
not
weakening
anybody,
we're
not
empowering
anybody
again.
The
budget,
which
is
the
biggest
item
at
almost
two
billion
dollars,
comes
to
the
city
council
for
approval
and
I.
AD
Yes,
recognized
I
I,
certainly
do
Martin
Shelby
city
council
attorney,
Mr
Goods.
What
you've
set
forth
is
actually
language
from
6.03
appointment
of
the
city
Charter
and
your
motion
I
believe,
because
this
language
would
actually
be
necessarily
changing
that
appointment.
I
just
wanted
to
get
clear
of
what
your
motion
was
relative
to
the
Chart
or
relative
to
having
in
the
form
of
an
ordinance,
because
if
it
were
an
ordinance,
it
may
be
problematic
if
it
conflicts
with
a
section
specifically
of
section
6.03.
H
You
have
anything
I
mean
I,
I,
propose
the
same
thing
on
Tuesday
and
I
got
it
down,
but
I
was
told
it
would
be
better
to
do
it
by
ordinance,
so
I'm
bringing
it
by
ordinance.
So
if
it
needs
to
be
by
charity,
I
I'll
take
I'll,
take
either
a
ladder,
but
I
think
it
needs
to
be
imposed.
It's
not
it's
a
necessity
to
have
this
done.
AD
E
H
E
E
Do
it
by
ordinance?
So
that
was
my
suggestion,
but
I'm
happy
to
support
you
in
a
charter
change
as
well,
but.
AD
If
you,
but
but
if
you
have
the
last
sentence,
you
still
have
the
word
as
Mr
Goods
would
say.
You
still
have
the
word
a
point.
Let's
say
in
the
first
sentence,
as
opposed
to
changing
it
to
nominate
and
I.
Don't
know
what,
if
that's
a
motion
to
amend
that
could
be
entertained.
I
I
just
want
to
be
clear
on
what
the
motion
is,
because
it
appears
that
what
this
is
is
a
section
of
the
charter
that
you're
looking
to
change
through
an
ordinance.
Is
that
what
your
intention
is.
H
A
X
H
All
right,
then,
I
guess
they're,
two
different
things:
the
missile
I
guess
we
have
to
look
at
the.
If
that's
the
case,
if
I
can
get
support
in
for
the
charter
change,
but
I
think
this
is
necessary.
Can
I.
H
The
problem
we
have
is,
what
we
saw
is
the
inter
language
would
be
that
the
in
the
in-person
could
only
be
somebody
appointed
within
the
city
already
employed
versus
in
Europe.
You,
you,
you
put
your
Switcheroo
and
I'm
gonna,
appoint
Mr
Shelby
who's
outside
as
an
interim
right
now
until
we
may
get
an
appointment,
not
I,
don't
want
anybody
doing
City
business
outside
I
read
a
person
if
we're
going
to
have
a
person
should
be
inside
the
house
already
held
in
the
business.
H
That
knows
the
business
until
that
person
is
not
who
a
person
could
apply
or
where
the
outside
persons
can
apply
for
the
job
to
go
for
their
nomination
for
the
appointment
before
this
body,
but
I
wouldn't
want
an
outside
person
hell
in
the
city.
Business
who
hasn't
been
here.
Yeah
I
just
have
a
problem
with
that.
F
A
couple
things
the
I'll
use
my
words,
not
not
trying
to
put
words
in
his
mouth
but
an
example.
When
the
zelman
example,
when
the
police
chief
was,
was
nominated,
the
administration
used
the
language
police
chief
without
using
interim
and
I
felt
disrespected,
because
city
council
had
not
approved
that
not
not
because
of
the
person,
but
because
the
the
the
administration
used
the
term
police
chief
without
qualifying
It
Anyway
any
other
like
we
talked
about
President
anything
like
that.
We
it
would
be
interim
or
nominated,
or
something
like
that.
F
It
wouldn't
have
the
presumption
that
the
person
is
already
has
a
position
until
until
approved,
you
wouldn't
say,
somebody's
a
Supreme,
Court
Justice
until
the
Senate
approves
them,
and
so
you
would,
you
would
say
nominee
and
so
the
the
presumption-
and
it
was
more
like
a
marketing
political
tactic.
I
think
was
just
disrespectful
city
council,
but
it
also
was
disrespectful
to
community.
The
community
was
very
upset
about
that,
and
so
I
think
this
makes
it
clear
year,
council,
member
Goods,
I.
F
Think
the
confusion
is
that
you
have
what
you've
shown
us
here
is
an
edit
to
the
Charter,
and
that
would
require
a
charter
Amendment.
If
you
want
to
propose
an
ordinance.
What
I
did
today
is
I,
rewrote
it
in
a
different
way,
so
it
would
be
an
ordinance.
So
if
you
wanted
an
ordinance,
what
you
would
do
is
maybe
take
out
the
sentence
and
pre
and
ask
staff
to
come
back
to
draft
an
ordinance
based
on
that
sentence.
You
wouldn't
be
able
to
edit
the
the
word.
F
The
word
appointment
instead
of
nomination
anything
like
that
without
a
charter
Amendment,
and
so
you
have
to
decide
now
whether
you
have
the
votes
for
a
charter,
Amendment
versus
a
an
ordinance
I
prefer
a
charter
Amendment.
The
last
thing
is,
you
know:
I
tried
to
say
the
other
day
this
this
last
sentence.
F
If
we
were
going
to
do
a
charter,
amendment
I
know,
there's
not
probably
enough
support
here,
but
it
there's
a
huge
problem
that
the
City
attorney
can
also
this,
unlike
the
other
department,
has
the
City
attorney
by
by
Florida
bar
and
by
definition,
the
charter
also
reports
to
us
and
without
going
into
any
details
it
every
single
day,
I
run
into
some
kind
of
issue
with
that,
where
it
looks
like
the
city
attorney's
office
is
representing
one
of
their
clients
against
another
and
we're
going
to
have
to
probably
at
some
point
unless
we
Define
it
in
the
charter
we're
going
to
have
to
get
a
judge
to
decide
who
exactly?
F
Is
the
client?
It's
very
clear
in
the
in
the
charter
that
it's
not
just
the
city?
That
is
the
client
that
it
lists
in
detail
who
the
clients
are,
and
it
even
says
the
City
attorney
has
to
represent
us
individually.
But
the
city
attorneys
that
we've
had
in
the
last
few
years
have
interpreted
as
as
that
the
city
is
their
client,
but
then
they
act
more
like
the
mayor
as
their
client.
If
we
had
the
right
to
fire,
the
City
attorney
I
think
that
would
change
that.
I
I
can
agree,
what's
been
said
at
6.03
other
than
under
the
the
charter.
We
we
have
a
legislative
which
is
the
council
members
and
an
administrator
which
is
the
mayor.
Whoever
the
mayor
may
be,
whoever
the
council
members
are
but
the
last
part,
and
shall
be
filled
only
by
a
person
who
is
an
existing
City
employee
as
employee
of
the.
G
I
The
main
same
thing:
that's
restricting
whoever
that
mayor
is
whoever
I'm
not
talking
about
now
down
the
lane
10-5
years,
four
years
from
now
five
years
from
now
that
happens,
or
it
could
happen
tomorrow-
I
guess
that
means
that
the
the
pool
has
to
come
only
from
an
existing
City
employee.
That's
what
it
says
here.
E
They
interim
the
entire
time,
instead
of
being
switched
for
the
current
police
chief
before
she
was
voted
on
by
this
body
am
I.
Getting
that
correct.
F
X
And
I
apologize
I'm.
This
is
getting
off
track,
but
I
just
I
wanted
to
respond
because
Mr
Carlson
said
this
and
I
want
to
be
clear
again:
I
represent
the
city
of
Tampa
as
an
entity.
I
don't
represent
any
of
you
individually.
I
don't
represent
the
mayor
individually,
I
don't
represent
John
Bennett
or
Kelly
Austin
or
Gene
Mayer
individually.
I
represent
the
city
of
Tampa
as
an
entity,
so
I
just
want.
F
AF
F
In
in
in
5.01
a
and
I'm
just
going
to
cut
out
here,
it
says
the
legal
advisor
to
the
mayor,
the
city,
council
and
committees
thereof,
and
all
the
several
departments,
officers
Boards
of
the
government
and
then
also
it
also
in
here-
I
lost
it.
But
it
talks
about
us
individually
as
well.
We
need
to
get
a
judge
to
decide
this,
because
we
can't
this
is
this
is
a
I
don't
want
to.
This
is
not
for
this
argument
and
this
motion,
but
this
is
ridiculous
that
we're
getting
a
an
inaccurate
opinion
here.
H
Is
showing
that
the
City
attorney
it's
actually
empty,
because
when
I
read
it
in
other
terms,
I've
had
read
it.
They
don't
appear
that
she's
a
separate
entity
in
periods
that
she
represents
the
mayor,
this
Council
and
and
again,
that's
maybe
a
different
day
to
look
at
somebody
looking
at
interpretation,
Mr
Shelby.
That
would
be
something
you
can
research
and
get
advice
on
that.
But
right
now,
I
want
to
stick
to
this.
This
situation
right
here,
so
we
can
get
this
resolved
and
get
this
coming
back.
X
And
may
I
make
one
other
comment
about
the
6.03
change.
The
I
noticed
that
in
this
you've
deleted
the
language
about
resubmitting
to
the
city
council
the
name
of
the
the
appointee
when
I
was
reviewing
the
minutes
of
the
or
not
the
minutes,
the
recording
of
the
charter
review
commission.
We
we
actually
talked
about
that
at
length,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
talked
about
on
the
charter
review
commission
was
that
sometimes
the
mayor
May
submit
a
name
to
the
council.
They
may
vote
that
person
down.
X
Then
the
mayor
may
want
to
meet
with
the
individual
council
members
and
tell
them
a
little
bit
more
about
the
person
or
the
council
may
want
to
take
the
time
to
learn
a
little
bit
more
about
the
person
and
then
the
way
the
mayor
would
have
the
opportunity
to
resubmit
the
name
and
that
was
actually
added
during
our
last
Charter
review,
Commission
in
2018
and
discussed
at
lent.
So
I
just
want
to
make
the
point
that
that
was
recently
added
and
now
you're
taking
it
out.
That's
just.
AD
AD
H
You're
telling
me
that
we're
going
to
have
an
issue
saying
that
it
came
about
owners,
then
I'll
just
go
and
take
an
up
and
down
vote
of
the
chart.
What
would
the
charter
being
changed?
I
mean
it's
one
of
the
other,
so
you
tell
me
at
my
legal
counsel
what
I
can
do
to
move
this
forward
to
get
a
vote
for
your
orders
or
Charter,
so
we
can
move
on.
Sir,
that's
all
I
need
to
know,
sir.
AD
Well,
then,
let
me
Express
a
concern
that
this
is
off
agenda,
it's
under
new
business
and
it's
really
bringing
back
something
that
was
had
the
opportunity
to
be
discussed
on
on
Tuesday,
and
the
question
is
where
the
council
acted.
So
it's
almost
as
if
you're
doing
it
as
a
charter
change
you're,
actually
asking
them
to
consider
something
that
certainly
would
come
back.
It
would
I,
don't
even
know
the
mechanics
it
would
have
to
be
provided
to
the
attorneys.
AD
It's
problematic
to
say
that
you're
going
to
bring
this
back
on
December
1st
as
a
charter
change
after
you
had
that
meeting
on
Tuesday.
If
you
wanted
to
do
it
as
an
ordinance
and
it
can
be
done
as
an
ordinance
that
I
don't
know
what
the
city
attorney's
position
is
that,
then
that's
that's
a
worthy
discussion
to
have,
but
if
Council
wants
to
move
this
as
a
charter
change,
it
may
be
an
issue
that
it
came
up
under
new
business.
I
just
want
to
just
okay.
E
H
H
Know,
obviously
you
you
have
doubts
about
the
orders
or
whatever.
So
if
that's
the
case,
you
know
we'll
take
an
up
and
down
vote.
If
that's
the
case,
if
they
vote
it
down,
then
we
come
back.
You
tell
me
how
we
do
how
we
do.
We
need
to
do
as
an
ordinance
and
we
move
from
there
Mrs
Shelby,
but
something
has
to
be
done
about
this
section.
We
have
a
problem
with
this
section.
G
R
A
H
K
Q
A
H
H
E
A
motion
to
bring
an
ordinance
amending
the
city's
Charter
to
regulate
the
use
of
revenue
for
investigation
or
support
for
the
prosecution
of
abortion
and
abortion
related
care
very
quickly.
Turn
to
the
second
page.
Basically,
I
want
to
add
a
section
12
points
or
I'm.
Sorry
7.12
regarding
the
use
of
revenue
for
the
investigation
or
support
for
the
prosecution
of
abortion
and
abortion
related
care.
I
want
to
bring
this
back
on
December
1st
I
think.
N
E
You
all
wanted
me
to
do
an
ordinance
I
think
this
is
stronger
and
the
lawyers
that
I
have
talked
to
said
that
this
fits
with.
What
with
what
is
allowable
and
I'm
I'm
trying
to
do
anything
I
can
to
support
women
and
those
who
are
health
care
workers
that
work
with
women
and
I
respectfully
request
your
approval
just
to
make
a
motion
to
bring
this
back.
December
1st.
N
X
And
I
just
want
to
say
for
the
record
that
the
drafters
of
this
this
is
Andrea
zelman,
City
attorney.
The
drafters
of
this
put
my
name
on
this,
but
I
did
not
draft
it
and
I
do
not
recommend
its
approval.
Unfortunately,
this
area
has
been
preempted
to
the
state.
Both
the
regulation
of
abortion
clinics
and
the
regulation
of
Health,
Care
and
I
cannot
recommend
the
council
go
forward
with
this.
E
R
Sure,
thank
you
may
I
suggest
just
for
because
again,
I
I
don't
want
to
leave
in
the
middle
of
a
vote
like
this.
Can
I
may
I
suggest
that
we
bring
it
back
for
a
report
on
feasibility,
I
mean
is
okay,
no.
R
F
I
could
I
make
a
statement.
I
I
saw
a
draft
of.
Q
F
I
saw
a
draft
of
this
a
few
days
ago,
but
I
haven't
seen
I
just
now.
I'm
seeing
this
draft
I
would
I
would
vote
for
having
it
come
back
in
a
few
days,
which
would
still
give
us
enough
time
by
December
1st,
but
I
don't
want
to
vote
to
move
74.
I
haven't
even
looked
at
that.
If
it's
short,
then
that's
fine,
but
there's
something
this
long,
I
don't
know.
What's
in
it.
E
A
A
And
we
also
have
rules
or
procedures
involved
with
that
too
sure.
AD
K
AD
Q
AD
If
I
can,
just
before
you
vote,
that
is
an
hour
prior
to
the
CRA
next
Thursday.
Is
that
correct.
AD
Then
that
has
to
be
noticed
and
I'll
I'll
I'll
get
that
going
and
make
sure
the
council
has
copies
of
the
rules
of
procedure.
A
F
That
I
could
real
fast
sorry,
one
of
the
things
we
talked
about,
one
of
the
things
that's
my
one
of
the
things
we
talked
about
the
other
day
was
was
a
naming
convention
and
it
was
recommended
to
bring
it
back
as
an
ordinance.
A
F
K
Sir
yeah,
yes,
there
is
a,
there
is
a
naming.
There
is
a
naming
committee.
Is
that
correct
or
no
yeah.
F
What
there
was
a
whole
process
that
the
the
mayor
set
up
a
naming
committee
that
advised
on
the
naming
process
and-
and
the
point
here-
is
that
there
was
an
executive
order
that
the
mayor
put
forward.
We
did
not
codify
that
and
I
don't
want
to
codify
that
executive
work
as
a
bad
Warehouse
causing
it,
but
to
take
the
guts
of
it,
which
is
the
process
the
mayor
recommended
and
say
and
put
that
into
an
ordinance,
and
we
would
codify
that.
F
B
Q
C
Q
AD
F
You
want
to
see
the
calendar
okay,
I'm,
gonna,
miss
it.
Okay,
let
me
wow.
Okay,
I
have
a
bad
memory,
I
guess
from
covet
or
something
the
other
thing
I
want
to
say.
Is
this
morning,
I
started
to
make
a
motion
regarding
incident
this
this
morning.
Since
then
over
lunch
I
talked
to
the
two
parties.
I
talked
to
both
sides
of
the
issue
and
and
both
would
like
to
move
forward
without
me.
Making
a
motion
so
I
will
not
make
a
motion
about
that.
Subject.
A
Please
thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
moved
to
present
accommodation
to
the
rotary
club
of
Tampa
for
their
2022
flags
for
Hillsborough
Heroes
programs,
which
will
take
place
on
November
11th
2022
at
Hillsborough,
County
Veterans
Park.
This
event
consists
of
more
than
200
Flags.
There
were
fill
veterans
from
Royal
Park
in
Tampa,
from
November
10th
to
November
12
2022.
As
a
tribute
to
strength
of
the
community.
Now
and
in
the
future,
each
flag
will
bear.