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A
D
Numbers
here,
because
we
need
five
more
than
a
quorum,
John
Bennett
Chief
of
Staff,
just
introducing
Chief
treb
to
redo
the
residency
waiver
for
a
year.
So
that's
the
topic
and
then
item
eight
I
think
Chief
Tripp
wanted
to
bundle
together
so
and
for
councilman.
Good's
sake
is
we're
up
here
asking
for
a
waiver
for
chief
trip
for
a
residency
for
another
year.
So
that's
what's
on
the
floor.
D
B
F
D
D
The
department
had,
in
this
case
Chief
trap
and
the
legal
department
who
would
do
the
resolution.
Apparently
there
was
a
disconnect
on
that
expiration.
That's
why
it's
being
put
in
in
young
protunk,
which
means
retroactive
to
June
so
leak.
Anybody
could
figure.
The
chief
is
in
the
city
without
knowing
and
the
legal
department
wouldn't
know
to
do
it
without
that
conversation,
so
it
just
the
wires
got
crossed
and
it
and
somehow
it
didn't
get
caught
for
the
June
update.
So
it's
it's
kind
of
one
of
those
things
that
there's
not
necessarily
A
I.
D
Think
legal
may
have
a
Tickler
now
I,
don't
want
to
speak
for
Andrea
but
to
cross
check
with
the
department
head
to
make
sure
they
need
to
renew
because
they
get
busy,
and
you
know-
and
sometimes
people
change
their
residency
and
you
don't
know
if
you
still
need
it
or
not
sure.
So
it's
a
it's
a
learning
particular
process
for
the
department,
heads
and
legal
to
work
together
to
make
sure
we
don't
miss
a
debt.
E
E
It's
now
is
not
the
time,
but
it
seems
like
we
keep
getting
these
brought
to
us,
and
so
we
need
to
decide
as
a
council
as
a
city.
If
we
want
to
avoid
the
residency
waiver-
or
you
know,
absolutely
come
solid
with
with
a
certain
number
of
years,
but
I
I
believe
it
would
behoove
all
of
us
to
have
the
conversation
I'm
not
advocating
for
one
way
or
the
other
I.
Just
think
that
the
public
keeps
asking
me
about
this,
and
so,
let's
all
make
a
decision
together
in
the
future.
So.
D
D
G
E
B
H
I
mean
in
in
terms
of
residency,
you
know
us
as
candidates
or
electives
or
whatever,
if
you're
in
a
district
or
you're
in
the
city.
Whatever
it
is,
you
have
either
six
months
or
12
months,
ahead
of
an
election
that
you
have
to
establish
residency
or
be
in
the
city.
So
that's
a
very
you
know
brief
window
compared
to
possibly
a
three-year
total
residency
waiver.
So
that's
a
conversation
that
we
should
have
because
it
has
come
up
multiple
times
over
the
years.
That
I
can
remember
so
good.
Bringing
that
up.
I
Think
when
doing
it,
when
she
makes
emotion,
I
think
we
need
to
do.
This
counsel
needs
to
have
a
listing
of
who
who
would
Define
what
a
department
head
is
versus
a
manager
and
also
Define
who
is
under
that
auspice
of
those
time
frames
I
think
that's
an
issue
and
I
think
we
should
have
a
running
list
or
a
policy
or
something
type
of
situation,
HR
that
we
know,
and
these
don't
keep
coming
occurring.
I
B
J
J
Review,
commission
and
I
was
one
of
the
ones
that
pushed
to
keep
the
residency
requirement,
but
but
it's
only
for
the
Senior
Management
I
understand
that
other
staff
come
and
go
and
we
want
to
be
able
to
hire
great
people
but
as
I
go
around
and
meet
with
residents,
especially
after
the
police
chief
incident,
neighborhood
leaders,
homeowners,
everyone,
they're
saying
you
know
why.
Why
are
these
people,
not
residents
of
the
city
and
that?
And
so
it's
not
just
my
opinion
as
I've
gone
around
people
without
me.
Even
asking
have
been
telling
me
this.
J
So
my
question:
sorry:
if
I
missed
this
Morris,
could
you
just
tell
us
what
what
I
recall
is
that
we,
because
of
the
problems
of
the
last
Administration
on
one,
a
very
great
senior
level
manager,
because
it
was
some
confusion
about
it?
We
put
in
the
charter
I
think
like
one
year
and
one
year
extension
or
so.
Can
you
just
explain?
Well
this
extension
work
within
the
what.
K
K
One
she
can
ask
for
one
more:
it
is
up
to
you
all
to
approve
the
waiver,
so
she
you
know
you
could
ask
why
you
can.
We
could
come
up
with
policies
about,
what's
an
appropriate
reason
to
request
a
waiver.
The
partial
concept
was
that
when
we
hired
new
senior
level
persons,
they
may
not
live
in
the
city
of
Tampa
that
time
and
they
may
have
needs.
They
may
have
kids
in
school.
They
may
have
elderly
parents.
There
may
be
reasons
why
they
cannot
immediately
move
into
the
City
of
Tampa.
K
J
J
E
B
Also
like
to
put
in
my
input
if
I
could
absolutely
thank
you
very,
very
much
I
do
appreciate
it.
There
is
concern.
I
had
I
had
this
at
Charter
review.
We
need
our
department
heads
inside
the
city
limits
in
case
of
an
emergency.
Let's
just
say,
hurricane
Ian.
We
wanted
them
at
the
emergency
command
center.
B
B
D
Will
I
will
say
real
quickly?
First
I
want
to
thank
Council
for
working
with
the
administration
on
the
waivers
to
get
the
best
and
the
brightest
in
supporting
that.
So
you
know
an
elongated,
thank
you,
as
a
beneficiary
of
that
when
I
first
got
back
to
the
city
and
have
having
owned
two
homes
in
this
city
throughout
my
career.
D
But
the
second
thing
is
we
do
policy
at
certain
levels,
depending
on
your
job
description
about
response
time,
I
was
on
the
tactical
response
team
for
any
special
operations
for
many
years
and
it
the
response
kind
of
mattered,
and
so
the
part
of
your
ability
to
do
that
wasn't
at
the
charter
level,
but
it
was
at
the
operations
level.
So
there
is
some
of
that
built
in
and.
K
Real
quickly,
Ms
zelman,
just
reminded
me,
The
Residency
issue
is
scheduled
to
come
back
for
discussion
before
Council
on
the
16th
of
February.
So
it's
already
on
your
on
your
motion,
tracker
for
the
coming
calendar,
so
this
issue
is
going
to
come
back
for
discussion
very
soon.
The
other
thing
is
that
any
waiver
that
you
all
would
Grant
of
this
requires
a
super
majority
under
the
charter.
So
it
requires
five
of
you
all
to
vote
for
the
labor.
E
B
L
Chief
I
did
send
a
memo
and
concerning
this
agenda
item,
and
if
you
have
any
questions
about
it,
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
that
my
plan
is
to
implement
an
additional
resource
in
the
south
of
Canada
area,
and
it's
not
because
of
an
incident
that
took
place.
I've
been
in
this
position
for
the
last
year
and
a
half
I
have
reviewed
a
lot
of
data,
a
lot
of
information
and
from
the
last
city
council
meeting
we
talked
about
some
of
the
needs
of
the
fire
service.
L
So
I
must
say
the
Administration
has
assisted
me
with
Gathering
that
information
as
well
as
equipment,
I
discussed
about
equipment
supply
chain
shortage,
manufactures
the
whole
nine
yards
of.
Why
we
don't
have
certain
additional
rescue
cars
which
I
put
in
for
so
we're
working
on
that
when
it
comes
to
call
environments
when
it
comes
to
response
time,
a
lot
of
things
take
take
place
into
that.
When
we
talk
about
response
time,
you
know
we
can
easily
say
hey,
I
call
9-1-1.
It
took
you
10
minutes
to
get
there.
L
It's
a
lot
of
things
going
to
play
with
that
from
the
dispatcher.
Getting
information
from
the
dispatcher
actually
dispatching
it
out
to
the
units,
the
unit's
getting
out
of
the
station
and
then
from
the
station
to
the
scene.
Okay,
so,
with
all
of
that,
I
have
reviewed
a
lot
of
that
data
and
information
and
I'm
placing
resources
where
they're
needed
now
I
know
we
have
individuals
protesting
for
additional
fire
station.
Trust
me
I'm
not
going
to
turn
one
down,
but
not
only
when
you
say
fire
station
I'm.
Looking
for
resources.
L
Okay,
I
can
have
the
fire
station,
but
it's
not
being
effective.
I,
don't
have
the
resources
there.
So
with
that
being
said,
based
on
the
data
and
based
on
the
information
from
the
analysis
that
I
did
last
year,
it
shows
that
we
need
to
add
some
more
resources
and
that's
what
I'm
doing
so
when
we
come
talk
about
standards
and
if,
if
Tampa
Fire
rescues
within
standards,
we
actually
did
our
reaccreditation
through
cfai,
and
we
did
our
third
reaccreditation.
Okay,
within
that,
it's
like
this
National
Standard.
L
So
we
meet
all
of
those
qualifications
to
receive
that
accreditation.
You
know,
and
basically
through
the
center
for
Public
Safety
Excellency.
So
we
meet
those
qualifications
and
basically
outstanding
the
cover
states
that
we
should
respond
to
90
of
our
calls
within
eight
and
a
half
minutes,
and
that's
what
I'm
focusing
on.
So
with
that
being
said,
as
we
talk
about
south
of
Gandhi
as
we
talk
about
East
Tampa,
West,
Tampa,
North
Tampa,
all
over
the
city
of
Tampa
I
am
looking
to
add
additional
Resources
with
that.
M
H
Impact
fee
to
fund
these
improvements,
but
we're
playing
with
fire
I
know
and
not
trying
to
be
funny,
but
when
we
have
situations
like
what
happened
south
of
Gandy,
whatever,
whatever
the
story
is
or
isn't,
our
city
is
growing
so
quickly
and
we
have
so
many
new
people
here.
We
have
so
many
people
coming
here
saying
so
many
apartments,
so
much
traffic
evacuation
all
and
we
don't
have
the
basic
necessities
to
meet
the
public
safety
demands.
God
forbid,
there's
a
situation
in
downtown.
H
That
is,
you
know
you
have
a
lot
of
high
rises,
a
lot
of
residential
where
you
have
rescue
vehicles
going
to
to
one
heavy
situation
and
then
something
you
know,
somebody
needs
help
right
down
the
street
and
that
nearest
rescue
vehicle
is
too
far
away
to
get
there
in
time.
We
can't
continue
like
that
when
you
plant,
a
city
you
have
to
have
basic
infrastructure,
needs
the
roads,
The
Pedestrian
amenities
this
and
that
Transportation.
But
you
have
to
have
enough
of
the
police
officers
the
firefighters
to
meet
the
ratio
of
people.
H
You
can't
have
you
know
a
thousand
people
per
fire.
Whatever
the
ratio
is
I,
don't
know,
I
haven't
done
the
the
math
on
it,
but
we're
not
not
keeping
up
with
the
demand
and
Tampa's
growing.
So
much
it's
spread
out.
We
were
joking
about
New
Tampa
is
in
Alaska,
and
then
you
have
south
of
Gandhi
over
here.
Tampa
is
big
and
we
have
some
serious
Public
Safety
needs
that
we
need
to
have
met
if
we
can
find
a
hundred
million
dollars
to
build
the
city
center
and
I'm
not
criticizing
that.
H
But
if
we
can
find
that
kind
of
money
or
the
waste
to
energy
plan
or
all
these
other
projects,
we
can
find
the
money
to
put
towards
Public
Safety.
Perhaps
the
public
service
impact
fee
is
is
one
thing
because
that
would
affect
and
we'll
talk
about
that
later,
new
construction
and
whatnot,
so
it's
not
affecting
existing
people.
I'll,
look
at
the
details
and
talk
about
it,
but
with
so
much
growth
we
need
to
strike
while
the
iron
is
hot
fire
hot
I'm,
throwing
all
these
things
out
there
in
this
discussion.
H
But
we
should
take
advantage
of
these
situations.
You
know
we
complain.
Oh
there's
so
much
growth
in
Tampa,
but
let's
put
that
to
our
benefit
and
meet
the
backlog
that
we
need
to
catch
up
on
as
Tampa
continues
to
grow.
If
not
we're
just
going
to
keep
digging
ourselves
deeper
into
this
hole
and
have
inadequate
fire
safety,
rescue
and
updated
I
mean
we're
talking
about
vehicles
that
are
30
years
old.
You
know,
I
mean
that's
just
it
doesn't.
H
L
L
You
know
getting
equipment,
we've
applied
for
many
many
grants.
We
have
received
a
lot
of
Grants
to
help
with
their
equipment
to
help
all
set.
So
I
agree
with
you
100
and
that's
my
plan
is
to
put
the
resources
there
so
when
it
comes
to
response
time
as
well
or
responding
because
the
unit
is
not
there,
we
have
policies
in
place
to
move
units
around
to
make
adjustments
for
that.
So
I
have
reviewed
a
lot
of
our
internal
policies
as
well.
L
H
Doing
and
and
I'll
finish
up
with
this,
and
thank
you,
but
you
know
we
have
our
friends
with
the
Union
right
behind
you.
We
have
the
mayor,
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
moving
parts
to
this,
but
we
have
to
build
Bridges
and
work
together.
You
know
if
they
have
requests
they'll
bring
them
to
you,
you
bring
them
to
us.
We
work
the
budget,
we
work
with
the
administration.
You
work
with
the
mayor,
they
work
with
the
mayor,
but
we
have
to
have
open
dialogues.
We
can't
look
at
anybody
as
an
enemy.
H
We
can't
we
have
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
of
the
public
and
in
public
safety.
You
know
there
can't
be
room
for
arguing.
There
can't
be
room
whatever
politics
is
politics,
but
we
have
a
goal
and
the
end
goal
is
to
provide
adequate
services
to
our
community,
so
I'll
stop
there.
Thank
you,
yeah.
It's
been
good.
I
I
You
knew
and
everyone
has
their
ideas
and
I
said
that
last
time,
but
I
don't
think,
we've
had
that
coffee
or
that
breakfast
yet.
But
if
you
don't
mind,
I
I
want
the
union
president,
because
he
talked
about
you,
the
chassis
and
things
like
last
time
and
the
union
said
they
can
find
them
they're
they're
out
there.
You
say
you
have
a
company,
they
said
they
can't
do
them.
You
know,
then
we
talk
about
at
the
stations
respond
times,
and
then
we
talk
about
the
old,
apparatuses
and
and
I'm
kidding.
I
My
response
to
you
was
well.
She
just
got
there
she's
working
hard.
She
can,
and
so
many
things
she
has
to
deal
with
the
administration,
but
I
want
to
get
it
on
the
record.
I
want
the
union
to
talk
about
the
no
ambulances
in
the
city
during
certain
times,
or
what
have
you
I
want
to
hear
from
them?
What
his
concerns
are,
so
you
exactly
know
so
you
you
don't
have
to
keep
running
to
all
of
us.
I
N
N
I
think
we
we
all
agree
in
terms
of
where
we
should
be
at
I,
think
the
issue
is
going
to
be
in
terms
of
how
we
should
be
there,
which
is
always
say
that
we
need
to
have
a
Frank
discussion
with
the
city
of
Tampa.
Once
we
identify
what
all
of
our
Public
Safety
deficits
are
through
the
public
safety
master
plan.
N
If
I
had
a
dollar
for
every
time,
I
said
that
I'd
have
you
know
a
decent
amount
of
money
right,
but
having
a
Frank
discussion
with
the
public
in
terms
of
how
we're
going
to
get
from
point
A
to
point
B
when
it
comes
to
money,
you
know
it's
been
brought
up
with
regards
to
Public
Safety
impact
fees.
Other
people
have
talked
about
millage
rates,
whatever
it
may
be.
We
have
to
have
a
Frank
discussion
with
the
public
and
saying
that
look.
N
So
again,
a
great
discussion
and
I
know
that
in
this
area,
south
of
Gandhi
in
particular,
like
New
Tampa,
has
been
exploding
significantly,
and
this
is
obviously
one
of
their
biggest
issues
so
glad
to
see
and
I
was
glad
to
see
that
memo
and
whatnot
and
I
look
forward
in
about
maybe
five
or
so
weeks
to
that
Public
Safety
master
plan.
Thank.
G
E
E
We
just
have
to
wait
because
we
have,
they
have
to
actually
be
input
into
the
hospital
and
until
then
they're
technically
supposed
to
stay
with
the
with
the
crew.
But
if
something
were
to
happen,
it's
the
hospital's
responsibility
and
we
haven't
quite
figured
that
out
and
they
said
well,
it's
completely
above
my
pay
grade
and
I
said
well,
I,
don't
think
it's
above
mine
because
that's
my
job
so
I
want
to
ask
both
Chief
trip
and
chief
Bennett.
E
How
we
I
know
that
you
Chief
Bennett,
have
been
working
on
that
somewhat
and
I.
Don't
know
if
you
have
cheap
trip,
but
where
we
are
in
how
we're
working
with
the
hospitals
to
try
to
fix
that,
because
I
don't
think
the
public
knows
that
our
our
our
rescue
Personnel
could
be
sitting
at
a
hospital
for
eight
hours.
L
Let
me
answer
yeah
yeah,
so
with
the
units
being
at
the
facility.
Of
course,
that
is
a
challenge
as
well,
but
of
course,
if
they
don't
have
the
staff
and
they
cannot
receive
the
patient.
So
with
that
over
the
last
couple
months
we
have
been
meeting
with
certain
particular
hospitals:
it's
not
all
of
them.
You
know
it's
one
in
particular,
and
right
now
my
rescue
Chief
meet
with
them
monthly
and
going
over
areas
where
for
improvement
on
their
side.
A
lot
of
it
is
on
their
side.
L
It's
not
temple
Fire
Rescue,
it's
not
a
Hillsborough
County
fire
rescue.
It's
basically.
If
they
don't
have
the
Staffing,
they
don't
have
the
placement
and
then
the
overcrowding.
So
it's
multiple
items,
but
with
that
being
said,
speaking
with
the
other
medical
facility,
we
have
a
timeline
when
our
units,
when
our
dispatch-
let
us
know
hey-
you
know-
rescue
was
at
this-
has
been
at
this
Hospital
x
amount
of
minutes.
My
rescue
Chief
is
notified.
L
He
contacted
the
CEO,
they
have
exchanged
numbers
to
see,
hey,
what's
going
on,
so
the
feedback
will
come
back
to
him
and
let
them
know
hey,
can
we?
You
know:
what's
what's
the
hold
up,
so
basically
it's
communication
going
on
if
what
I'm
saying
so
they
meet
monthly.
So
basically
he
has
the
number
you
know
to
I
guess
the
director
of
the
emergency
room.
So
when
dispatch
says
hey,
our
units
has
been
at
this
hospital
for
x
amount
of
time.
My
rescue
Chief
is
notified.
D
So
the
feedback
I
would
offer
is
the
four
data
points
that
I
think
Drive.
The
decisions
are
what
we
call
response
time,
which
we've
been
talking
about.
What's
called
Unit
hour
utilization
is
how
busy
is
the
particular
unit.
What
is
the
turnover
time
at
the
hospital
and
what
is
our
relationship
with
the
private
Ambulance
Company,
because
all
four
of
those
things
in
our
community
make
a
difference,
and
so
there's
a
private
ambulance
service
out
there.
D
That
has
a
business
model
and
a
lot
of
that's
driven
by
a
different
methodology
than
the
way
Public
Safety
drives
theirs.
And
then
you
have
the
hospital
turnout
time
and
we
met
with
the
county.
Fireside
I,
don't
know
if
it
was
right
before
or
right
after
chief
trip
came
on,
but
we
started
talking
about
this
thing
holistically
in
the
county.
You
know
coming
from
the
Pinellas
side
in
public
safety,
there
was
a
hospital
in
every
corner
and
there
was
a
unit
every
five
feet.
There's
a
different
demographic
and
use
level
over
there
over
here.
D
I,
don't
know
that
it's
as
rich
as
that
turnout
time,
we
need
to
figure
or
turn
over
time
that
we
need
to
figure
out.
But
the
county
told
me
at
the
time
that
they
were
studying
the
hospital
release
time
I'll
just
make
that
term
up.
When
do
they
get
back
out
of
the
hospital
and
I
had
talked
to
the
private
ambulance
side,
about
enriching
their
capability
and
and
whatever
it
is.
D
We
just
need
to
know
it's
consistent,
because
if,
if
their
private
ambulance
side
is
inconsistent,
that's
what
drives
us
to
be
more
challenged
with
our
data.
We
need
a
consistent
understanding,
so
when
I
had
heard
actually
about
this
elongated
time
in
the
hospital
and
I'm
great,
that
there's
grateful,
there's
a
tactical
communication
going
on
between
the
rescue,
Chief
and
the
CEO
or
whoever.
D
But
maybe
we
need
agreements
written
agreements
between
these
two
facilities
to
say:
listen,
you
know,
I
I,
think
we
budget
about
30
minutes
to
get
back
out
and
if
we're
there,
ours,
that's
just
putting
a
big
hindrance
on
the
whole
system.
So
there
is
some
still
there's
data
work
to
go
on
I'm,
going
to
reach
out
I'm
sure
I'll
work
with
chief
chief
Jones
at
County,
Fire
and
and
see
if
any
of
those
Studies
have
come
together
and
I
will
tell
you
that
covet
data
skewed
a
lot
of
things.
E
Because
I
really
hear
from
people
on
the
ground
and
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
it
depends
on
the
shift
like
some
shift.
Supervisors
are
are
like
this.
Is
my
job
I'm
taking
you
all
and
some
are
more
like
well,
you
know
this
nurse
has
four
patients
and
that's
just
We're
Not
Gonna
overload
them
and
so
I
I
think
the
idea
of
a
written
document
would
I
would
100
support
that.
What
do
do
you
need
a
motion
to
have
it
come
back
to
us?
Is
this
going
to
be
part
of
the
public
safety?
E
D
So
a
great
question
and
I
think
I
would
be
stepping
into
Chief
trips
Lane
when
by
answering
that
so
I
would
bring
her
back,
but
my
thought
would
be.
Is
you
know
the
onus
is
on
the
department,
all
of
our
departments,
to
provide
the
best
level
of
service
with
Council
support.
You
know
through
the
budget
process
and
through
policy,
so
we
should
be
driving
those
kind
of
things
to
get
our
units
back
out
on
the
road.
D
E
L
Chief
said
is
so
many
different
layers,
you
know,
and
why
are
you
speaking
to
the
individuals
going
there
and
they?
You
know
we
got
personality.
You
know
we
got
different
shifts.
We
got
you
know
people
handle
things,
that's
something
beyond
our
control,
you
know
and
it's
not
all
the
hospitals.
You
know
it's
kind
of
when
I
say
one
in
particular.
You
know
that
has
caused
our
units
to
stay
there,
but
not
only
our
units,
a
lot
of
other
units
to
stay
there
at
a
certain
time.
L
So
with
that
being
said,
as
far
as
the
partnership
that
we
have
with
the
hospitals
has
been
outstanding
and
I.
Think
by
us
having
this
communication
now
with
this
individual
is
going
to
help
you
know
with
our
units.
You
know
we
can't
like
she
said
with
you
know,
covet
years
and
right
after
covet,
you
know
now
things
are
changing
opening
up.
So,
of
course
everything
should
flow
a
little
bit
better.
J
You
and
thank
you
for
having
this
discussion
today.
Hopefully,
some
folks
from
South,
Gandy
and
South
Tampa
are
watching
and
we'll
we'll
point
to
them
to
watch
this
and
I
know
I've
had
some
private
conversations
with
you,
I
appreciate
you
being
on
top
of
it.
You've
also
spoken
to
some
members
of
the
community.
J
Naturally,
because
of
the
incident
a
few
weeks
ago,
there
were
a
lot
of
very
concerned
people
and
we
need
to
be
able
to
talk
to
them
about
what
to
expect
in
the
future
the
I
think
at
a
very
at
the
very
basic
level.
The
public
expects
us
to
provide
Public
Safety,
and
we
see
lots
of
concerns
everywhere.
I
go
I,
hear
concerns
about
crime.
J
Recently
I've
heard
concerns
about
these.
These
I'll
call
them
ambulance
response
issues
and
so
I
know
you're
working
hard
to
try
to
fix
this
Nick's
working
hard
and,
and
so
please
keep
the
dialogue
open.
So
we
can
work
together
as
the
budget
comes
up
and
with
whatever
else
we
want,
and
then,
as
my
colleague
councilman
Miranda
says,
the
CIT
money
is
ending
soon
too.
So
what
are
we
going
to
do
with
that?
J
The
the
public,
when
they
ask
me,
what's
happening
with
wire
R
Parks,
why
are
parks
falling
apart
in
South
Tampa?
Why
are
roads
falling
apart
in
South
Tampa?
Why
don't
we
have
enough
police
and
fire
coverage
I
say
to
them
in
all
those
cases,
we
have
a
city-wide
Mobility
plan
in
process.
We
have
a
Parks
Planet
process.
We
have
a
public
safety
plan
process
that
my
colleague
Viera
proposed.
Thank
you.
J
It
needs
to
be
based
on
what
the
community
needs,
and
so
once
we
get
those
plans
done,
hopefully
they'll
be
done
quickly,
and
then
we
can
go
back
out
and
with
you
and
explain
to
the
public
Nick
lives,
not
that
far
from
me
and
I
think
he
shares
my
concern.
I'm
older
than
he
is,
but
I
share
his
concern
about.
If
something
happens
to
one
of
us
and
that
truck's
gone
we're
in
trouble.
So
we
want
to
try
to
get
this
all
this
as
quickly
as
possible
thing.
L
So
with
that
being
said,
like
I
say,
once
I
got
in
this
position
just
seeing
some
of
the
deficiencies
of
course,
I've
been
working
on
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
to
also
provide
that
level
of
service
and
throughout
the
whole
city,
we
had
six
units
that
provided
what
we
call
basic
life
support
we
increase
because
they
have
the
skills
they
have
the
certification.
So
all
of
our
trucks
now
are
Advanced
life
support,
meaning
ALS,
meaning
they
would
do
the
same
thing
that
the
rescue
car
do.
L
So
with
that
being
said,
having
that
upper
level
of
training
and
experience
and
and
knowledge,
they
could
respond
to
those
calls
as
well.
If
the
transport
unit
is
not
there,
so
these
are
all
other
items
that
that
I'm
implementing
to
make
sure
that
we
increase
that
level
of
service
throughout
the
city.
F
Said
before
it's
a
Paramount,
the
public
first
thing
that
any
City
needs
is
a
strong
Fire
and
Police
Department
to
help
the
public
secondary,
of
course,
is
that
other
units
are
just
as
needed
as
anywhere
else
you've
got
to
have
water.
You've
got
to
have
Shore,
you've
got
to
have
garbage,
make
the
city
run
like
they
say,
and
the
Simon
says
that
the
leader
of
that
Union
and
he's
right
I
mean
if
you
want
to
see
something
happen.
F
F
There's
10
Vehicles
going
to
be
bought
at
forty
three
thousand
dollars,
plus
each
and
that's
430
000,
so
much
more
a
little
bit
more
than
that,
but
43
000
plus,
and
it's
Paramount
that
we
realize
that
after
2026-27.
That
means
the
end
there's
no
more
of
that
money
coming
in.
So
we
have
to
be
prepared,
I,
don't
know
how
many
staffers
we
have
in
the
and
the
body
shops
or,
and
you
replacement
of
engines
or
something
that
has
to
be
done.
F
F
It's
a
second
in
time
as
far
as
what
the
needs
are,
and
those
are
the
things
that
are
needed,
so
we're
willing
to
step
up
and
do
whatever
we
can
to
help
both
fire
and
police
and
the
other
departments
that
need
some
help.
Like
the
councilman
said,
there's
other
priorities
that
we
had
to
address,
because
the
public
is
growing
so
quick
that
there
wasn't
enough
space
for
the
people
coming
in
to
do
what
they
had
to
do.
But
thank
you
very
much
for
what
you
both
are
doing.
B
L
B
L
B
Sorry
go
ahead,
but
how
is
it
budget
restrictions
from
keeping
more
firefighters
coming
in
to
keep
up
the
demands
that
your
department
needs?
Is
it?
Is
it
us
that
could
be
saying
hey?
We
need
more
Staffing,
like
I
did
at
the
last
budget
meeting
for
not
only
fire
but
for
police
code
enforcement
inspections?
Is
it
budgetary,
that's
keeping
the
department
for
gaining
more.
L
Administration
gave
me
57
positions,
I'm
hiring.
Okay.
When
I
got
in
this
position,
we
was
already
down
some
numbers:
I've
hired
104
I'm
in
the
process
of
hiring
some
more
we're
looking
to
bring
on
maybe
another
20
to
25.
That
should
start
in
March
around
about
March
20th.
You
know.
So
what
I'm
trying
to
do
is
get
my
numbers
get
that
vacancy
rate
down
now
I
can
see
what
I
need
to
ask
Administration
for.
G
B
B
L
B
B
H
B
D
J
L
Can
I
can
I
say
something
about
recruiting?
We
don't
have
a
problem
recruiting
people
come
I
mean
we
have
applicants,
you
know
as
soon
as
we
open
up
the
process.
They're
applying
you
know,
I
screen
them
with
the
panel
screen
them
and
then
we
send
them
through
the
process
to
get
hired.
So
what
I'm
saying
I'm
hiring
and
whenever
we
have
individuals
to
leave,
you
know
we
are
actually
projecting
just
like
this
year,
we're
looking
to
have
maybe
five
or
six
people
retire.
L
You
know,
so
my
goal
is
to
hire
this
group
here
and
get
another
group
in
the
summer.
So
when
I
hire
those
20
because
once
I
came
in,
it
was
already
a
deficit
of
personnel
staff
gave
me
another
57
positions
to
help
offset
that
with
the
equipment
that
we
have
and
usually
when
they
come
here.
We
don't
have
a
problem
with
retention,
they
say
so.
B
L
G
I
Before
you
get
started,
we've
heard
a
chief
I've
heard.
Some
of
the
points
Miller
counselors
brought
out
today
is
the
day,
use
it
in
present
to
tell
the
chief
and
this
Council
what
you
need,
what
you
don't
have
and
that
way
she
can
respond.
This
Council
can
know
the
requests.
You've
been
asking
read
the
application
process.
The
portal
is
not
open,
we
we,
you
know
it's
closed.
It
should
be
open
constantly.
The
lack
of
firefighters
equipment.
This
anything
that
you
feel
the
chief
hit
knows
now,
the
time
that
the
chief
can
respond.
I
I
understand
you
follow.
The
unions
found
a
place
that
might
be
getting
chassis.
The
chief
said
she's
ordering
them
I
want
to
know
all
about
that
the
concerns
of
the
Union,
so
every
councilman
want
to
know
the
chief
for
Noah
and
she
can
be
able
to
tell
us
what's
going
on
in
reference
to
the
things
you're
asking
for
the
other
floors,
good.
O
So
there's
no
anger
here,
we're
all
friends,
colleagues
and
work
together
with
respect
in
regards
to
the
gis
study
that
the
firefighters
Union
did,
it
was
actually
a
pre-covered,
so
those
numbers
were
pre-covered
and
there
was
recommendations
set
forth
on
that
GIS
and
those
recommendations
were
for
three
stations
immediately
and,
as
you
saw
prior,
it
called
for
15.
We
didn't
ask
for
15..
We
just
called
for
three
New
Tampa,
Channel,
Side
and
I
believe
the
third
was
in
the
West
Shore
Gandy
area,
so
that
GIS
study
that
we
did
in
2019
is
pre-covet.
O
So
I
wanted
to
touch
on
that.
The
other
thing
and
thank
you,
Chief
Bennett,
his
experience
over
in
Pinellas
County
I
think
it's
a
good
Viewpoint
of
the
EMS
systems.
As
Chief
Bennett
mentioned,
there
was
a
hospital
in
every
corner.
I
know
we
may
not
have
that
that
ability
to
do
so
to
put
a
hospital
on
every
corner,
but
we
could
definitely
put
an
ambulance
nearby
or
at
every
corner,
as
was
mentioned
just
actually
now,
as
as
we're
talking
my
phone's
constantly
going
off
so
I'm
here.
O
As
a
representative
of
the
firefighters
Union,
there's
there
are
rescue
ambulances
waiting
at
the
hospital
for
over
three
hours.
So
that's
that's.
I
just
wanted
to
touch
on
that
councilman
Goods!
You
talk
about
the
needs,
the
needs
of
the
department,
the
needs
of
the
firefighters
Union
is
asking
for
before
this
Council
and
City
staff
and
I
think
that
I'm
more
than
happy
to
go
over
them,
but
I.
Just
there
was
a
lot
of
talking
this
morning.
There's
a
lot
of
planning.
There's
a
lot
of
discussion.
O
O
O
You
know
we're
trying
to
keep
accurate
data
from
this
from
this
response
time,
yet
we
have
92
000
calls
on
one
channel.
So
when
we're
on
the
radio,
all
92
000
calls
are
on
one
channel.
So
once
we
go
responding
unless
the
radio
is
available,
we're
not
getting
through,
so
we
may
get
through
a
minute
or
so
down.
So
our
data
that
we're
basing
these
response
times
off
of
may
not
be
as
accurate.
O
O
I
Odd
to
me,
you
in
the
police
department,
you
have
different
channels.
District
one
is
a
different
Channel,
except
so
that's
odd
to
me
and
again,
police
are
fired,
we're
kind
of
difficult,
but
I
think
that's
something
that
could
be
looked
in.
That
was
cheaper
to
raise
up
a
little
bit.
That's
odd.
If
the
fire
department
is
working
on
one
channel
for
the
whole
city
for
dispatch,
I
mean
I
would
think
it
would
be
by
distance
or
by
zones
that
you
have
more
and
more
on
one
channel
and
I'll.
O
Yeah
and
that
actually
I
think
Chief,
Bennett
and
I
talked
about
it
one
time
at
a
Gasparilla
Arts
over
at
JBL.
We
had
just
brief
conversation
over
it,
but,
yes,
we
do
operate
off
one
chain
again,
the
only
the
only
time
that
we
have
a
separate
Channel,
if
there's
three
alarms
or
greater
now
could
that
three
units
are
greater.
Could
that
be
because
of
our
Dispatch
Center,
whether
we
only
have
three
people
at
minimum.
O
You
know
I,
don't
I
don't
advocate
for
the
dispatchers,
but
I
can
tell
you
what
Chief
said
is
very
factual.
It's
the
whole
big
picture.
It
starts
from
when
the
call
comes
in
our
Dispatch
Center,
the
software,
the
the
the
the
telecommunicators
that
radio
to
the
channel
once
they
go
to
a
separate
channel.
One
dispatcher
gets
taken
out
of
the
equation
and
goes
attend
to
that
channel
and
solely
that
channel.
So
you
only
have
two
dispatchers
left
if
the
minimum
of
dispatchers
are
still
three.
O
99
sure
that
three
percent
is
the
three
people
is
the
minimum
there
for
communications.
I
I
do
believe
they
may
have
tried
to
increase
Staffing
to
four
yeah.
They're
I
should
pay
more
attention
to
them.
They
are
part
of
our
family,
although
they're
non-bargaining
members
and
I
should
pay
more
attention
to
them,
but
I
think
the
information
that
I
have
is
pretty
factual.
Okay,.
O
In
regards
to
what
was
just
made
about
you
know,
we
have
the
firefighters,
we
have
the
firefighters,
we
just
need
the
equipment.
I
can
tell
you
that
there's
some
Vehicles
out
in
the
city
that
have
lights
on
it,
a
Tampa,
Fire
Rescue
sticker
on
it
and
it
responds
to
calls.
But
yet
it's
cross-staffed,
the
heavy
rescue
downtown
heavy
rescue,
one
heavy
rescue
21
the
boats.
O
We
have
one
vehicle
low
down
on
the
port.
That
just
has
one
person
on
it.
There
are
vehicles
that
do
respond
to
calls
that
don't
have
people
on
there.
So,
in
the
event
that
one
of
the
units
goes
on
a
call,
the
other
unit
gets
left
behind
at
the
station
heavy
rescue.
One
is
perfect
example
of
it.
It
is
downtown.
It
is
the
most
important
piece
of
an
apparatus
when
the
firefighters
call
the
elite
of
firefighters
that
when
they
need
help,
they
generally
call
heavy
rescue
one
or
truck
one.
O
But
if
truck
one
is
on
an
alarm
being
the
busiest
truck
downtown
have
a
rescue
one
doesn't
respond,
truck
one
has
to
run
emergency
back
to
the
station
to
go
pick
that
vehicle
up
and
then
take
it
over.
So
if
we
do
have
the
firefighters
and
we
and
we
just
need
the
equipment,
there
are
equipment
out
there
that
they
could
be
staffed
on
that
go
to
calls
now.
O
So
so
in
regards
to
units,
they
are
fire
stations
that
we
don't
have
ambulances
at
them,
whether
it's
Davis
Island
South
of
Gandy
22
up
in
New
Tampa.
There
are,
there
are
units
there
are
stations
out
there
that
don't
have
ambulances
and
yes,
Chief
Tripp
took
an
initiative
that
we've
been
waiting
for
a
very
very
long
time,
and
that
was
to
get
the
advanced
equipment
on
these
ladder
trucks,
but
the
ladder
trucks
aren't
taking
people
to
the
hospital.
When
these
people
call
9-1-1,
they
generally
want
to
be
taken
to
the
hospital.
O
So
that
was
one
of
the
one
of
the
comments
to
that.
I
did
write
something
out
and
I
did
want
to
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
it.
If
you
guys
have
a
little
a
little
bit
more
time
and
then
we'll
continue
on
to
the
conversations.
But
two
weeks
ago
we
spoke
on
some
of
the
deficits
that
we're
currently
facing
I.
Don't
want
to
reiterate
on
what
we've
been
talking
about
for
years,
because
it
seems
like
we've
been
doing
just
that
talking
I
do
applaud
Chief
trip.
O
O
The
workforce
is
entering
and
leaving
the
city
using
major
roads
like
275
and
I-4
Tampa
International
flights
are
incoming
outgoing
we're
at
full
capacity
with
all
gears
running
now,
add
20
000
people
to
watch
the
Tampa
Bay
Lightning
at
Amalie,
Arena
I
had
a
couple
thousand
people
strolling
into
the
stress
center
for
the
world's
famous
Hamilton
show
yeah.
At
this
time
we
only
had
one
ambulance
available.
That
was
last
Thursday
at
five
o'clock
and
there
was
only
one
ambulance
available.
O
To
my
knowledge,
AMR
and
Americare,
no
correct,
sir
AMR
and
Americare
no
longer
run
into
the
city.
Hillsborough
County
has,
and
maybe
Chief
Tripp
can
help
me
and
chief
Ben.
He
can
help
me
on
that.
Amr
and
Americare
are
now
only
being
used
for
Hillsborough
County
and
only
transcare
is
our
BLS
provider.
O
There
was
an
article
yesterday
that
of
the
32
calls
that
they
got.
They
turned
down,
27
of
them,
so
27
of
the
32
calls
they
received.
They
couldn't
attend
to
which
then
Tampa
Fire
Rescue
has
the
duty
to
act,
and
we
then
have
to
respond
for
them.
So
when
there's
no
BLS
available,
we
have
to
respond
okay,.
O
All
that
not
to
mention
that,
including
we
have
the
number
one
zoo
in
the
State
of
Florida
1.2
million
1.3
million
y'all,
just
heard
it.
We
have
more
people
coming
to
the
zoo,
more
people
coming
to
Busch
Gardens
that
video
that
I
watched
them
in
the
beginning
of
this
meeting
showed
some
performance
highlights
we're
still
waiting
on
on
ours
on
January
14th,
on
a
beautiful
Saturday
in
Tampa
Bay,
the
city's
pumping
Curtis
Hilson,
celebrating
black
Heritage
Festival
Emily
arena
with
another
20
000
people
from
the
Straz
Center
and
and
an
already
strained
EMS
system.
O
O
We
already
have
a
tax
DMS
system
and
we
are
subsidizing
for
our
special
events
with
City
of
Tampa
equipment
and
staff
on
January
16th.
The
Bucks
hosted
NFL
playoff
game
where
they
spoke
at
where
the
city
spoke
out.
Warning
residents
on
the
increase
in
traffic
Raymond
James
was
sold
out
with
60
000
people
alone,
thousands
upon
upon
thousands
of
Spectators
in
all
surrounding
areas
of
Tampa
Bay.
You
get
no
increase
in
transport
units
when
we
introduced
60
000
people
into
Raymond,
James,
there's
one
ambulance
there
and
that's
for
the
players.
That's
for
the
NFL.
O
The
NFL
requires
a
transfer
being
there.
So
we
introduce
all
these
people
to
the
city.
Yet
there's
no
increase
in
transport
units
again
we
are
taxed
and
introduce
100
000
people
into
the
city
at
one
time.
On
this
day,
specifically,
the
West
Tampa
ambulance,
which
is
the
ambulance
that
Services
Raymond
James,
ran
19
calls
19
calls
in
24
hours
that
ambulance
ran.
O
If
it's
recruitment,
the
chief
just
spoke,
we've
got
people
that
want
to
work
here,
we're
applying
now
and
and
thankful
to
the
staff
that
has
added
the
increase
in
budget.
Hopefully
we
can
get
those
boots
full
and
hopefully
we're
nearly
full
as
it
is,
if
it's
equipment
or
vehicles
and
we
don't
single
source.
O
O
O
O
I've
spelled
out
some
of
the
needs.
When
is
enough
enough?
It's
a
it's
a
it's
a
tape
recorder.
We
hear
the
same
thing.
The
firefighters,
let
me
know,
oh
tell
us
something
we
don't
know
tell
us
something
we
don't
know,
that's
where
we
are
that's
where
we're
at
as
a
local
and
that's
where
we're
at
as
a
city
even
being
a
city
resident,
not
to
mention
we're
eagerly,
anticipating
working
with
the
administration
and
hearing
the
long-awaited
public
safety
Master
safety
plan
on
February
23rd.
I
Want
to
Chief
because
I
want
you
it
all
out
that
way.
Chief
can
hear
it
because
maybe
she
she
probably
been
there,
but
sometimes
she
has
a
boss
and
some
things
she
can
do
what
she
can't
do,
but
I
think
she's
done
a
great
job
of
coming
in
so
far
to
try
to
get
some
things
moving
in
the
right
direction.
I
don't
know
about
the
you
know
about
the
wait
time
until
we
were
told
about
it.
I
A
kind
of
trauma,
that's
going
to
go
first,
regardless,
so
I
like
to
achieve
to
be
able
to
respond
to
some
of
the
things.
Your
concerns
that
what
council
can
see
or
if
it
may
be
in
the
master
plan
forthcoming
that
will
be
aware
and
I
always
say
we
can
always
do
what
I
call
get
the
legwork
run.
But
when
is
the
implementation?
F
I
just
want
to
get
for
clarity,
I
appreciate
everything.
You
said,
sir,
and
everything
the
chief
has
said:
Chief
Tripp.
Does
anyone
know
when
you
have
a
new
recruiting
group
coming
in
how
many
others
do
we
get
from
other
surrounding
fire
departments
that
apply
here?
Is
that
that
a
viable
number
at
all,
or
just
one
or
two.
O
O
P
O
To
touch
on
I'm,
sorry,
councilman
Marina,
but
a
touch
on
councilman
Goods.
They
briefly
spoke
on
getting
with
those
local
partners
of
those
CEOs
of
those
hospitals.
You
could
look
at
Lakeland
regionals
and
you
can
look
at
Pinellas
counties.
There's
a
some
there's,
a
different.
Why
does
Hillsborough
counties
lack,
but
that's
probably
about
my
pay
grade.
F
Can't
speak
for
any
other
hospitals,
but
I,
know
Tampa
General,
just
building
a
big
Center
here
and
finishing
up
the
the
the
center
that
they
have
here
on
Kennedy
Boulevard
in
Rome
I
believe
are
close
to
it
and
they
go
they're
making
that
they
emergency
area
I
believe
also
matches
you
for
maybe
for
your
fire
department.
Also
I'm,
not
sure
you
know.
When
you
go
to
the
main
hospital,
the
Tampa
General
there's
a
lot
of
people
there.
O
In
the
city
shouldn't
be
subsidizing
for
the
for
the
Falls
of
the
hospitals,
our
taxpayers,
our
residents
shouldn't
be
paying
because
the
hospital
hasn't
built
the
infrastructure
of
the
staff.
It's
our
taxpayers,
our
firefighters
lives
that
are
being
detrimented
and
strained
because
of
their
Falls
I.
H
H
H
H
Just
saying,
but
the
one
I'm
making
is,
you
know
we're
budgeting
and
I
know
we
need
to
look
at
the
budget
now.
We
should
have
been
looking
at
for
this
upcoming
a
year,
but
if
we're
accommodating
the
police,
we
accommodate
fire
and
there's
a
lot
of
Necessities
here,
and
this
is
a
something
that
we
need
to
look
at.
The
administration
needs
to
look
at
our
CFO
and
and
meet
these
needs.
We're
going
to
have
a
major
catastrophe
here
or
more
and
more
deaths
we're
playing
games
here.
So
thank
you.
N
Vera,
thank
you
very
much
and
just
very
brief,
because
I
know
we
still
have
second
readings
waiting.
Etc
I
just
wanted
to
salute
you
Nick
I,
always
I
said
it
last
time.
I'll
say
it
again.
The
word
I
always
think
about
you.
Whenever
I
see
you
speak
publicly
is
urgency
that
you
really
bring
a
sense
of
urgency
to
these
issues,
and
it's
just
it's
obvious
that
you're
as
a
passionate
as
to
see
us
all
hell
about
it,
but
you
you
bring
a
real
sense
of
urgency.
N
B
O
E
I
just
rode
with
police,
and
they
had
just
gotten
for
that
very
that
that
very
thing
we'll
have
to
ask
Chief
Bennett.
If
he
knows
anything
about
that,
to
possibly
see
it.
If
we
could
fund
getting
our
rescue
cars
and
our
fire
trucks
with
the
same
with
the
same
tablet
system
that
that
the
police
just
got
that.
O
O
That
was
that
was
reports
here.
April
2021
and
latest
October
of
2021
did.
That
program
would
be
completed
after
his
past
administrative
phase.
So
we've
done
the
tablets.
We've
had
them
up
in
the
truck
up
on
the
windshield
past.
All
that
we
need
to
start
putting
something.
We
need
to
start
putting
something
in
these
units.
I
I
L
So
if
we
talk
about
the
AVL
the
system,
the
computer
system,
that
was
before
my
time,
okay,
when
I
got
in
here
that
was
already
started.
So
when
I
realized
that
it
wasn't
going
to
be
beneficial
to
the
men
and
women
out
in
Tampa,
Florida
I
stopped
it
immediately
because
it
wasn't
going
to
work
once
we
stopped
that
we're
in
the
process
of
implementing
a
new
one
to
get
a
new
system.
L
We've
changed
some
of
the
tactics
behind
it
as
far
as
how
that
company
came
abroad
and
we're
getting
good
vendors
coming
in
to
be
able
to
identify
what
Tampa
Fire
needs
what's
going
to
benefit
the
city
of
Tampa,
so
that
isn't
works
when
we're
talking
about
one
ALS
unit
in
service,
okay,
I
get
the
same
page
that
he
gets.
The
question
is:
why
did
we
have
three
units
out
of
service
so
once
I
got
that
page
I
called
to
find
out
all
of
a
sudden.
L
We
got
five
units
in
service
because
they
were
switching
out.
So,
of
course
it's
a
lot
of
internal
stuff
going
on.
So
when
you
see
or
when
there
is
a
concern,
I,
don't
want
to
say
a
problem.
You
know
when
there's
a
concern,
let's
figure
out
what
happened
before
we
start
putting
blame
somewhere,
that's
one.
When
we
talk
about
the
NFL
as
far
as
what
they
request,
we
have
over
40
minutes.
Actually,
Tampa
has
probably
close
to
30
40
minutes.
Hillsborough
County
have
like
another
20
that
are
there
to
provide
that
service
in
case.
L
L
Now,
when
we
talk
about
getting
a
Toyota
versus
a
Lamborghini
you're
right,
I'm
downsizing,
because
I
can
get
more
bang
for
my
bucks,
but
when
it
come
to
putting
these
vehicles
out
down
the
street
and
putting
people's
lives
in
I
want
the
best
quality
for
the
community.
So
when
they
talk
about
putting
chassis,
when
we
talk
about
single
sources
for
a
particular
unit,
I,
don't
care
where
you
go.
Those
straight
line
chassis
that
we're
looking
I,
don't
care
what
it,
what
what
manufacturer
to
go
to
you're,
not
going
to
get
them
now.
L
They
do
have
450s
and
550s
Chassis.
That
we
can
get
those
are
the
ones
that
we
went
away
from
matter
of
fact.
We
have
two.
What
we
call
used
to
be
the
peak
cars
have
that
450
550
it
stays
in
a
shop.
What
good
is
it
to
finish
shop
if
it's
not
on
the
street?
Okay?
So
if,
if
someone
know
of
another
manufacturer
that
have
these
straight
line,
chat
chassis,
these
heavy
duty
chassis
that
we
need
to
respond
to
the
cause
I'm
all
all
for
it,
it's
not
about
the
single
sources
about
getting
that
equipment.
L
Now,
when
it
comes
to
single
sourcing
from
one
manufacturer
to
another,
one,
the
one
that
we
used
to
single
source
I
went
with
a
the
Florida
Sheriff
plan
to
get
other,
because
the
price
was
cheaper.
So
now
I
got
more
vehicles
for
than
what
I
was
going
to
get
if
I
went
with
the
single
source,
so
I
am
doing
homework
when
it
comes
to
that.
L
When
we
talk
about
the
unit
having
19
calls,
you
know,
I
would
love
to
see
exactly.
Was
those
tone
out
councils
or
is
those
actually
transport?
Did
they
get
on
scene?
You
know
it's
a
lot
of
information
that
president
stockhol
is
bringing
that
I
would
like
to
definitely
look
into
because
when
I
see
that
there's
a
concern
or
issue
I
want
to
take
care
of
it,
you
know
so
when
it
comes
to
a
lot
of
the
information.
L
That's
given
Let's
Get
the
facts
together:
okay,
let's
find
out
what,
when,
where
and
how,
before
we
sit
here
and
start
pointing
fingers
when
it
comes
to
Public
Safety
I'm,
all
about
it,
but
I
tell
you
for
Barbara
trip
to
be
in
this
position
for
a
year
and
a
half
and
what
we
have
accumulated
over
that
year
and
a
half.
It
has
been
a
true
blessing.
I
can't
speak
for
the
previous
administration
and
all
of
the
non-secession
planning
transition
trying
to
buy
units
for
the
future.
I
can't
speak
for
that.
L
I
can
only
do
what
I
can
do
for
now
and
that's
what
I've
been
doing
I've
been
increasing.
We
just
got
two
heavy
rescue.
We
just
ordered
that
I
go
down
next
week
to
order
three
more
engines,
you
know
down
in
Bradenton
and
then
we're
getting
ready
to
order
another
tiller.
My
inventory
list
when
I
first
got
there
and
sold
the
ages
of
those
vehicles.
I
was
like
oh
my
gosh
you're
right.
They
should
have
a
blue
tag
on
them.
Okay,
but
I
can't
speak
for
the
past.
L
I
can
only
talk
about
the
future
and
the
stuff
that
I'm
trying
to
do
for
the
men
and
women
of
Tampa
Fire
Rescue
I
have
their
best
interests
at
my
heart,
because
I
was
out
there
as
well
I,
don't
forget
where
I
come
from
I
appreciate
everything
they've
done
for
temple,
Fire
Rescue
and
what
they
do
for
the
community.
But
let's
get
the
facts
together
and,
like
you
said,
let's
get
the
politics.
I
want
to
work
with
you
not
against
you.
We
have
a
job
to
do.
L
We
have
people,
we
have
a
community
that
we
have
to
serve.
You
know
so
a
lot
of
the
information
I'm
not
just
going
to
keep
going
back
and
forth.
When
we
talk
about
the
hospitals,
Tampa
General,
St
Joe's
have
not
been
an
issue
when
they
get
when
they
see
Tampa
Fire
come
in.
They
automatically,
you
know,
do
everything
they
can
to
try
to
offload.
You
know
it
might
be
a
hiccup,
because
you
know
they
might
have
a
trauma
or
something
that
might
take
presence,
and
we
have
to
wait
a
couple
of
minutes.
L
I
L
Close
and
open
because
I
don't
put
the
strain
on
HR
I.
Let
them
know
when
we're
getting
ready
because
you
can
get
you
can
open
it
up
and
it
can
stay
open,
but
I'm
not
going
to
keep
applying
because
it's
a
process
when
Tampa
Fire
hires,
we
have
multiple
departments,
that's
included
in
that.
So
what
I
do?
Because
the
process
used
to
take
about
eight
months
when
I
came
on
it
took
about
eight
months.
I
have
decreased
that
down
to
anywhere
between
three
and
four
months.
L
L
You
give
me
two
weeks
where
you
can
do
whatever
additional
testing
and
that's
why
we
do
it
that
way,
because
I
try
I,
don't
want
no
one
stand
on
the
list,
because,
if
I'm
not
in
the
process
of
interviewing
I'm,
not
going
to
interview
nobody,
so
they
can
see
on
that
list
for
six
months,
so
I'd,
rather
just
open
it
up
for
a
period.
Let
them
know
this
is
the
time
we're
hiring
if
they
want
to
apply.
L
A
J
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
again.
It's
it's
evident
now
to
the
public.
What
I've
experienced
in
talking
to
you
privately
recently
is
that
you
have
been
working
really
hard
over
the
last
18
or
so
months
and
you've
got
to
handle
on
the
issues
and
I
appreciate
you
pushing
back
and
and
having
discussions
with
us
robust
discussions
with
us
about
it.
I
look
forward
to
seeing
what
you
come
up
with
the
plan.
I
appreciate
any
work
you
can
do
to
work
with
Nick
and
his
team
as
well.
Thank
you.
Anyone.
B
O
Just
Nick
stock
of
President
local
side,
four
I
hear
previous
administrations
and
I
and
I
heard
it
throughout
the
morning
previous
administration's
previous
administrations,
previous
administrations,
we've
got
to
do
stuff
and
we've
got
to
do
stuff
now
in
regards
to
the
peak
units
being
in
the
shop.
That's
because
we're
running
them
to
the
point
where
we
can't
maintain
them
and
they
live
in
the
shop
and
those
Peak
units
were
designed
for
special
events
as
anctuary
not
not
to
be
beat
down
as
much
as
they
are.
O
We
just
got
two
new
rescues:
rescue,
nine
and
rescue
24.,
I'm,
sorry
replacement
Vehicles.
We
got
two
new
replacement
Vehicles
one
in
West
Tampa,
one
over
at
13..
Why
can't
we
take
those
two
additional
units,
those
two
replacement
vehicles
and
put
them
in
other
parts
of
the
city
and
fill
them
like.
We
had
the
peak
cart
program
where
it's
a
voluntary
overtime
status,
at
least
to
solve
this
crisis.
We
have
a
crisis
where
we
need
ambulances.
We
just
got
two
new
replacements.
O
L
As
he
say,
those
Peak
units,
those
are
the
450s
and
the
550s-
that's
why?
If
there's
a
manufacturer
that
can
make
those
vehicles
I
don't
want
them,
I,
don't
need
them
for
the
community,
because
they're
not
going
to
be
beneficial
they're
not
going
to
help
me
because
they're
going
to
stay
in
shop
because
of
the
wear
and
tear.
L
So
pretty
much
right
now,
what
we're
using
is
like
an
M2,
the
Freightliner
chassis,
which
is
a
heavy
duty
duty
chassis.
You
have
the
truck,
and
then
you
have
the
body
part
that
holds
the
of
the
box
that
we
actually
transport
patients
in,
so
that
it's
a
difference
between
the
chassis.
You
know
we
using
a
heavy
duty.
Now,
that's
we're
going
to
the
450
is
more
like
a
Ford
big
truck
like
a
F-150.
D
Goods
questions
real
quick
about
the
on
the
911
Center,
so
great
questions
the
way,
I
understand
it
because
it
was
different
across
the
bay
police
answer
every
call
and
then
they
transfer
to
fire.
So
that's
why
the
police
side
has
more
intake
options
and
they
rotate
between
call
taking
and
dispatch
where,
when
it
gets
down
to
fire,
it's
getting
triage
for
dispatch.
So
it's
kind
of
a
work
funnel
to
get
to
fire
based
on
the
numbers
I
hear
with
fire
in
the
90.
Thousands,
that's!
D
If
you
break
it
down,
it's
about
10
calls
an
hour.
The
police
are
running.
60
calls
an
hour
about
one
a
minute,
so
the
offset
in
load
is
is
part
of
the
reason
too,
for
the
the
differences
in
in
workload.
Now,
of
course,
fire
calls
are
going
to
be
involved
with
the
transports
and
everything
else.
So
that's
why
that
unit
hour
utilization
is
so
important.
D
We
did
Buy
tablets
for
fire,
because
I
saw
those
Maps
the
real
Maps
when
I
got
here,
they
had
coffee
stains
on
them,
I
mean
it
was
just
ridiculous
and
when
I
found
out,
the
cad
thing
was
bogging
down.
Chief
rohero
found
money
and
we
bought
tablets,
but
that
was
really
just
a
Band-Aid
to
get
them
to
the
CAD
program
delivery,
but
it
was
at
least
to
get
him
out
of
that
Antiquated
map
book
that
they
were.
You
know
using
hard
copies
for
trying
to
drive
and
flip
pages,
which
is
just
no
good.
D
I
I
D
And
I
understand
and
I
think
again.
This
is
a
leap
of
understanding
right
now,
but
back
in
the
2000s,
when
I
was
working
with
fire
on
the
urban
area
security
initiative,
they
they
had
the
mdts,
the
the
computers
and
the
vehicles
and
somehow
I,
don't
know
how
that
fell
off
over
the
last
decade,
but
probably
the
reason
they
had
one
dispatcher
because
they
could
on
their
MDT,
say
I'm.
Here
they
could
do
things
that
didn't
require
dispatch
and
now
dispatch
is
picking
up
the
Gap
without
the
right
CAD
system.
B
B
B
B
R
Thank
you,
Council
Amy,
Barnes
development
coordination
item
number
52
is
Rez
2282
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption
for
6204
Interbay
Boulevard.
The
request
is
to
ReSound
the
property
from
rs60
to
PD
for
residential
single-family
attached
a
daycare
center
strip
shopping
center,
including
CN
uses
medical
office
and
restaurant
site
plans
were
dropped
off
to
council
chambers.
Earlier
earlier
this
week,
I'm
available
for
any
questions.
G
S
A
S
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
Lorraine
Perino
I'm,
the
president
of
the
Tampa
tree
advocacy
group.
When
my
older
daughter
was
in
junior
high,
she
had
a
post
on
her
door.
That
said,
Extinction
is
forever.
It
was
very
impressive.
This
is
one
of
the
last
pieces,
if
not
the
last
piece
of
pristine
property
left
in
the
Inner
Bay
Area,
one
of
the
most
overdeveloped
areas
in
South
Tampa.
S
Yet
on
this
device,
undeveloped,
piece
of
property
containing
165
trees,
the
developer
wants
to
permit
you
to
permit
him
to
waive
the
city's
true
retention
requirement
at
50
and
allow
him
to
retain
a
mere
10
percent
of
the
165
trees
on
this
property.
In
other
words,
the
developer
plans
to
remove
92
of
the
165
trees
on
this
property.
Those
92
trees
would
comprise
a
small
Forest.
Tampa's
tree
code
would
require
230
trees
to
mitigate
the
value
of
those
92
removed,
trees,
221
of
which
would
be
required
to
be
type
1.
S
The
most
valuable
is
shade
trees,
but
what
you
see
arborist
says
cannot
fully
be
accommodated
on
this
site.
The
the
City
Arborist
also
states
that
this
property
has
considerable
tree
cover
and
with
the
proposal
sign,
this
property
is
losing
canopy
cover,
which
covers
more
than
four
acres
of
land.
The
city
of
Tampa
Arbors
has
found
his
presenting
petition
to
be
inconsistent
with
the
city's
tree
code
requirements.
The
city's
transportation
department
also
found
this
planned
development
to
be
inconsistent
and
in
potential
violation
of
no
fewer
than
three
city
codes.
S
This
property
now
serves
the
entire
area
is
a
perfectly
functioning
carbon
sink
mitigating
the
effects
of
street
fighting
in
its
most
flood
prone
area
in
South
Tampa.
Once
these
trees
are
removed,
they
will
be
gone
forever
and
Tampa
residents
will
forever
be
deprived
of
all
the
benefits
that
they
receive
from
them.
At
the
December
restoning
hearing
several
useful
Tampa
residents
and
one
military
enlisted
man
testified
that
they
would
Electrify
a
condo
in
this
development.
However,
these
condos
will
be
selling
in
excess
of
700
000..
S
How
many
people
military
people
currently
residing
on
MacDill,
Air,
Force
Base,
and
how
many
young
people
do
you
imagine
could
afford
to
purchase
account.
Do
at
that
price
point.
The
young
people
who
I
meet
and
who
are
employed
here
in
Tampa
tell
me
that
they
live
in
nearby
counties
or
outside
of
the
city
limits,
because
they
cannot
afford
to
buy
a
house
in
Tampa.
S
I
would
love
to
know
where
all
the
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars
that
the
newly
constructed
multi-million
dollar
Mansions
pay
in
property,
paying
property
taxes
which
pour
into
the
city
coppers,
is
going
because
they're
sure
not
going
into
public
projects
like
buying
and
development.
Analysis
for
public,
for
the
public
benefit
is
the
city
even
planning
the
1000
trees
a
year
as
mandated
by
the
Tampa
tree.
Ordinance
Tampa
is
losing
all
growth
Folks
at
a
great
rate
due
to
over
development.
S
Yet
it's
hard
to
get
an
answer
from
the
city
about
how
it's
come:
compensating
Tampa's
residence
for
the
great
loss
of
tree
canopy.
Please
reverse
your
ill-considered
decision
to
allow
this
rezoning
request
and
then
set
vote
to
preserve
one
of
Tampa's.
Last
remaining
Parcels
of
tree
covered
natural
beauty
for
Tampa's
residents.
H
Q
Q
Regarding
the
comments
about
the
traffic
department,
we
addressed
all
the
traffic
concerns,
except
for
they
continue.
They
have
what
they
call
the
technical
objection,
because
we
have
a
1.4
reduction
in
parking,
which
is
virtually
it's
minuscule
and
with
that
I
leave
it
to
council.
We
would
respectfully
request
your
approval.
Thank
you
very.
B
J
Like
to
pass
on
reading
it,
but
can
I
make
a
statement
also,
or
do
you
want
somebody
else
to
read
it?
First,
surely,
just
on
a
statement
last
time,
I
voted
for
this
like
Miss,
Perino
I'm,
a
big
tree,
Advocate
and
I
want
to
protect
as
many
trees
as
we
possibly
can.
We
spent
a
large
amount
of
time
last
time
asking
questions
about
the
city
and
the
and
the
applicants
Tree
Experts
about
these
trees
and
in
in
weighing
what
the
current
uses
are,
what
they
could
do
now.
B
B
T
T
J
B
R
Thank
you,
Council
Amy,
Barnes
development
coordination
item
number
54
is
Rez
2290
being
presented
for
second
reading
for
2500
West
Azeal
Street,
rezoning
property
from
PD
to
PD
for
a
business
professional
office
site
claims
were
dropped
off
earlier
this
week,
I'm
available
for
any
questions.
Any
questions.
T
B
H
You
very
much
I
have
an
ordinance
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption,
an
ordinance
rezoning,
the
property
in
the
general
vicinity
of
2500
West
of
zeal,
Street
in
the
city
of
Tampa
Florida,
and
more
particularly
described
in
section
one
from
zony's
classification,
PD
plan
development
to
PD
plan
development,
business
professional
office
providing
an
effective
date.
Second,.
T
B
H
B
B
H
U
U
B
B
K
H
B
V
You
thank
you
afternoon,
Council
big
b-day
director
mobility
department
here
to
touch
upon
items
five
and
six
they're,
both
related
to
the
lower
Peninsula
flooding
relief
project.
This
is
a
51
million
dollar
construction
project
in
the
south
of
Gandhi
area,
just
north
of
MacDill
Air,
Force
Base.
It
includes
storm
water
infrastructure
pipes,
other
improvements,
including
limited
water
infrastructure
improvements,
a
new
storm
water
pond
on
an
existing
elap
property
that
is
designed
to
preserve
some
species,
create
some
public-facing
amenities.
V
This
is
a
project
that
the
community
has
supported
and
Council
approved
Construction
monies
for
late
last
year.
Item
five
is
an
amendment
to
the
agreement
between
Swift
Mud
in
the
city
for
a
co-funding
of
12
and
a
half
million
and
item
six
is
the
transaction
from
a
financial
perspective,
less
35
000
towards
30
design.
H
B
B
B
Made
by
councilman
Maniscalco
executed
by
councilman,
Miranda,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
any
opposed
Vic
I
I
would
personally
like
to
thank
you
for
working
so
hard
on.
This
I
had
made
a
pledge
to
Hope,
which
is
a
group
of
religious
congregations,
and
they
asked
me
to
make
sure
that
retention
pods
would
not
just
be
for
tension
ponds
that
they
would
actually
give
back
to
the
community
and
Vic.
With
your
help.
This
is
not
just
going
to
be
an
unsightly
retention
Pond.
B
B
H
B
B
K
And
item
number
10
is
the
public
safety
impact
fee.
I
delivered
a
memo
to
you
all,
outlining
the
steps
just
to
I
know.
We
had
a
prolonged
conversation
about
the
the
needs
of
the
fire
fire
department.
Here,
Public
Safety
impact
fees
can
only
be
used
because
they're
charged
on
new
building
permits
to
offset
the
impacts
of
New
Growth.
We
can't
use
it
for
existing
deficits
and
it's
for
actually
Capital
infrastructure,
Capital
capacity
building.
K
We
can
use
it
to
buy
additional
Fire
Equipment
if
our
trucks,
if
we
need
it
or
additional
EMS
Vehicles,
there
is
a
process
that
we're
required
to
go
through
studies.
We
had
to
study
to
base
it
upon.
We
do
not
have
to
have
public
workshops,
it
has
to
be
adopted
by
ordinance.
It's
all
spelled
out
in
the
Florida
Statutes
and
any
effort
to
kind
of
shortchange.
The
process
could
be
problematic.
B
E
I
want
to
say
thank
you
for
this,
and
I
know
that
we
have
I
know
the
process
is
long,
so
my
goal
was
to
find
out
what
the
process
is,
and
thank
you
for
detailing
that
it
was.
It
was
very
clear
in
your
memo
and
I
just
want
to
get
the
ball
rolling.
So
if
you
tell
me
what
motion
I
need
to
make
to
do
the
first
step
I'll,
do
it
right
now,
I.
K
My
understanding
is
that
contract
may
have
been
may
have
terminated,
but
we're
in
the
on
the
process
of
renewing
it,
so
that
I
think
that
would
be
the
first
step
to
make
sure
we
have
a
consultant
on
board
and
and
then
they
would
then
take
it.
Take
it
from
there
to
do
the
appropriate
analysis
and
study.
K
J
E
J
I
just
think
it
would
be
good
for
us
to
hear
yeah
I,
don't
know
we.
We
brought
this
up
a
little
bit
in
in
some
small,
smaller
Community
meetings,
but
it
would
be
good
to
find
out
what
larger
groups
of
the
public
think
about
it.
I
don't
know
what
developers
maybe
for
against
it.
The
neighborhoods
may
be
four
against
it.
If
we
could,
before
we
have
the
city
spend
a
lot
of
money
go
down
the
process,
it
would
be
just
nice
for
us
to
collectively
to
hear
what
the
public
thinks
about
it.
E
B
B
Y
J
J
E
Y
So
what
we're
doing
now
is
that
we
are
looking
at
and
we
looked
at
this
during
the
last
hurricane
season.
We
are
looking
at
where
we
could
have
additional
locations
for
stand
back
stand-up
sites.
The
challenge
there
is
to
make
sure
we
have
the
proper
Ingress
and
egress
so
that
we
won't
have
that
bottleneck
on
in
the
street
as
we
experienced
during
previous
hurricane
Seasons,
so
we're
in
the
process
of
evaluating
those
sites
that
could
be
used
for
additional
sandbag
stations.
Great.
B
Else,
Miss
wind-
this
is
great
news.
I
know
that
myself,
councilman
Moran,
excuse
me.
Councilman,
Maniscalco
and
councilman
Vieira
were
out
filling
sandbags
during
the
last
hurricane
I'm
personally
filled
over
200
of
them.
This
is
going
to
make
the
process
go
a
lot
quicker.
There
were
a
lot
of
people
at
each
place,
getting
sandbags
for
their
families,
keeping
their
houses
safe.
So
thank
you
very
much.
You're.
W
W
Brad
bear
Deputy
administrator
of
infrastructure
here
to
talk
about
Southeast,
Seminole,
Heights,
stormwater,
Improvement
project.
We
have
been
in
front
of
you
before
to
talk
about
this
project.
I
think
at
least
twice
and
have
you
know,
worked
on
many
issues
and
have
resolved
a
few
issues
and
made
some
improvements
to
the
project
today.
W
We're
here
to
specifically
talk
about
the
work
in
the
progress
and
schedule
on
Caracas
and
Crest,
and
also
I'd
like
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
work
on
Central
as
well
and
I
have
with
me,
Jeff
Nelson
right
behind
me,
who
is
president
of
Nelson
Construction
Company,
so
I'd
like
for
him
to
go
into
those
details
and
I
also
have
with
me
Mike
Tucker
and
with
the
contract
Administration
in
the
back.
So
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over.
Z
W
Z
Good
evening
Jeff
and
also
announced
Construction
with
respect
to
the
work
on
Crest,
we
laid
approximately
3
600
feet
of
sanitary
sewer
in
preparation
to
install
a
new
Storm
Large
storm
box,
Culvert
down
the
center
of
that
pipe
our
street.
Unfortunately,
when
we
went
to
install
the
large
storm
pipe,
we
found
a
substantial
amount
of
unsuitable
material
under
that
box.
Culvert.
The
removal
of
that
box
cover
resulted
in
some
of
that
sanitary
sewer,
settling
and
moving.
So
we
had
to
go
back
to
the
act
of
sanitary
sewer
line.
Z
We
were
able
to
point
repair
the
vast
majority
of
it
about
90
percent
of
it,
the
last
10
percent.
We
finally
said
we're
just
going
to
go
ahead
and
relay
that
at
three
or
four
hundred
feet
of
pipe.
We
are
currently
scheduled
to
pave
next
Friday
I
believe
our
original
schedule
that
we
gave
the
city,
in
spite
of
all
the
unsuitable
materials.
Z
The
original
schedule
we
gave
back
pre-construction
indicated
us
Paving
that
either
at
the
end
of
last
year
or
at
the
end
of
January
of
this
year,
so
we're
in
spite
of
all
the
hurdles
we've
had
overcome,
we're
still
within
the
original
Target
of
what
we
said
back
before
you
can
turn
the
first
shovel
full
of
dirt.
It's
also
nice
to
talk
about
the
work
on
Florida
Avenue,
the
prior
to
construction.
We
met
with
the
dot.
We
got
very
detailed
instructions
on
what
they
wanted
us
to
build
on
their
roadway.
Z
We
went
out
there
we
built
in
the
same
circumstances.
We
encountered
significant
additional
work
old
pipes
that
needed
to
be
replaced.
They
were
buying
beyond
the
original
scope,
but
I
believe
we
finished
that
entire
scope
of
work
within
this
original
time
frame
that
we'd
allotted.
Unfortunately,
when
the
dot
came
out
to
do
their
final
inspection,
they
looked
at
what
they
had
asked
us
to
build
and
decided:
that's
not
what
they
wanted.
So
we
are
now.
Z
Our
Engineers
are
now
working
with
the
dot
to
make
some
changes
to
the
curbs
and
inlets
and
things
of
that
nature,
and
until
we
get
the
answer
on
what
they
want,
we're
heading
to
put
that
last
hooked
of
asphalt
down,
because
whatever
we
put
down
will
probably
get
messed
up.
So
we're
waiting
on
that
that
resolution
from
the
fdot
on
Caracas
and
Central
Avenue,
we
ran
to
a
little
bit
of
a
hiccup.
We
had
some
equipment
get
vandalized.
Well,
it's
that's
the
most
difficult
run
of
pipe.
Z
We
had
on
the
entire
job,
but
we
only
had
access
from
one
side,
because
the
other
side
is
blocked
by
the
interstate,
very
narrow,
right-of-way,
very
deep
cut.
We
ended
up
having
to
lay
the
pipe
backwards
due
to
access
issues,
which
is
a
very
challenging
thing
to
do
in
our
industry.
Unfortunately,
we
had
some
vandalism
to
some
equipment
along
that
way
and
we
think
one
of
our
lasers
got
vandalized
also
which
affect
the
the
alignment
and
the
calibration
we
got
offline.
With
some
of
that
pipe
we've
had
to
go
back.
We
worked
for
the
city.
Z
We
discovered
that
back
in
September,
we
worked
for
the
city
to
see
what
we
can
salvage
we're
still
in
that
discussion,
trying
to
figure
out
what
we
can
salvage,
but
we
have
stepped
back
in
or
relaying
the
pipe,
because
the
city
has
we've
been
doing
work
for
the
city
for
50
years
or
one
of
our
best
and
most
valuable
clients.
We
want
to
give
them
what
they
want.
So
we
are
relaying
what
we
need
to
lay
we're
working
with
what
we
can
salvage,
unfortunately
again
because
of
the
tight
nature
of
that
particular
right-of-way.
Z
It's
going
to
be
time
consuming.
We've
heard
some
feedback
from
the
residents
about
the
noise,
the
clang,
the
work
like
that,
so
we've
shipped
out
new
trench
boxes,
we're
going
to
actually
bury
them
and
leave
them
in
place
and
try
to
do
less
of
an
intrusive
installation.
It
may
take
a
little
bit
longer,
but
it
won't
be
as
noisy
and
as
clangy
and
as
intrusive
and
then
restore
behind
us
as
we
work
our
way
out,
then
once
we
get
out
into
Central
there's
about
four
joints
of
pipe
we've
got
to.
Z
We
can't
take
those
out
until
we
get
out
of
Caracas
because
we'll
block
our
access,
they
will
turn
down.
Caracas
go
that
32
feet
again,
it's
very
difficult,
narrow
work.
Our
expectation
is
that
we
should
be
done
with
the
pipe
work
on
Caracas
in
mid-march
turn
and
I
do
central
the
start,
dressing
and
cleaning
it
out
of
there
late
April,
early
May.
That's
our
plan.
Z
We
have
already
started
laying
pipe
on
the
other
side
of
the
Interstate
headed
towards
Nebraska,
but
we
can
only
go
so
far
because
we
need
to
use
Central
as
a
detour,
so
we
need
to
get
central
cleaned
up.
Buttoned
up
get
out
of
there.
Our
plan
was,
we
were
almost
out
of
that
whole
area
by
December
31st.
That
was
our
plan
to
be
done
and
gone,
and
then
the
when
we
came
to
the
point
that
we
didn't
think
we
could
Salvage.
Z
We
didn't
want
to
sell
the
city
pipe
that
they
didn't
want,
and
it
just
decided
that
there
might
be
a
maintenance
issue
down
the
road.
We
said
we're
going
to
take
this
pipe
up
and
make
it
right
so
we're
making
that
right.
We
said
our
expectation
is
hopefully
we
can
beat
those
we're
trying
to
be
realistic
with
our
durations,
but
we're
still
pushing
our
guys
to
try
to
beat
those
goals
and
get
out
of
this
project.
Hopefully
six
months
earlier
than
expected
overall.
E
Thank
you
for
that
update
I
do
have
a
couple
of
questions
so,
starting
with
the
karak,
East,
Caracas
and
I
do
understand.
It
was
out
of
alignment
and
it
is
a
very
narrow
Street.
The
residents
are
really
frustrated
they're
over
it,
but
their
biggest
concern
was.
How
did
this
happen?
It
sounds
like
the
laser
was
undone,
but
how
do
we
prevent
that
in
the
future,
as
this
project
continues?
How
do
we
make
sure
that,
as
we're
laying
everything
is
the
way
it
needs
to
be
put
again.
Z
We've
we've
only
had
this
happen
once
in
47
years
of
laying
pipe
for
the
City
of
Tampa,
it's
the
first
time
this
has
happened
to
us.
We've
sent
all
our
ladies
out
for
calibration
to
make
sure
like
I
said,
we
ended
up
with
several
people
coming
on
that
particular
road
that
got
banned
like
very
childish
vandalism,
but
it
doesn't
take
much
to
knock
a
laser
out
of
calibration.
Z
So
we've
checked
all
that
percent
everybody
in
we're,
we're
just
going
to
make
sure
again,
they're
routinely
calibrated
and
this
laser
was
routinely
calibrated
just
a
couple
of
months
prior
to
our
starting
there,
but
again
something
that
got
kicked
it
got
knocked
over.
Something
happened
to
it.
We
don't
know
what
happened
to
it
it
just
these
things
happen,
unfortunately,
happened
on
the
worst
run
of
pipe
I
mean
that
we've
on
this
entire
job
and
we've
literally
laid
thousands
of
feet
of
this
very
large
pipe
without
an
issue.
It's
just
this
300
feet.
E
Z
Met
with
fdot
had
to
submit
to
get
the
permit.
We
had
to
set
up
so
many
set
of
plans
to
fdot
to
get
a
permit
for
that
work.
We've
got
they
added
some
inlets.
They
had.
They
added
several
items
of
work
that
we
gladly
Incorporated,
because
we're
partners
with
them
and
then,
when
they
came
out
to
do
their
final
inspection,
they
looked
at
the
inlets
that
they
told
us
to
put
in
and
said.
Oh
those
inlets,
don't
work
for
us.
Z
Z
E
E
Specs
and
everything
so
so
that
I
would
really
love
an
update
in
the
future
on
on
the
cost.
It
sounds
like
you're
on
your
timeline
for
January
I
do
know
that
you're
you're
going
to
be
starting
the
other
side
of
central,
the
other
side
of
Hillsboro
working
on
Central.
When
do
you
anticipate,
starting
that
our.
Z
E
It
is:
is
there
I'm,
gonna
request
a
community
meeting
before
you
start
that
new
section,
maybe
a
month
ahead
of
time,
so
folks
are
more
prepared
and
aware
and
I'm
sorry
I'm
sorry
to
take
this.
But
these
are
literally
the
questions
that
the
residents
have
sent
to
me
so
I'm
trying
to
make
sure
I
hit
each
one.
I
did
get
an
email
from
another
homeowner
at
the
corner
of
Highland
and
Crest
I.
Z
Z
E
The
same
feeling,
then,
let's
get
that
done
before
we
pave
and
then
my
last
question,
and
this
is
something
that
the
neighborhood
really
wants
from
the
stakeholders
in
that
particular
part
of
the
of
the
community-
is
possibly
some
monthly
updates.
Because,
as
we
have
this
update
and
then
we
let
it
go,
we
keep
coming
back
here
and
I
hate
to
do
this,
but
I
feel
like
if
we
have
an
update
once
a
month
to
kind
of
make
sure
we're
on
the
right
path.
E
E
J
E
W
H
You
very
much
council
member
hertak
really
went
in
depth
with
the
questions
and
I
have
nothing
further,
because
I
think
you've
touched
on
everything.
We
get
a
lot
of
the
same
Communications
because
I
represent
the
district
she's
city-wide,
but
she
also
lives
near
there,
so
she
sees
it
daily
I'm
through
there
at
least
every
other
day.
I
have
a
lot
of
friends
that
live
there,
specifically
on
Caracas
I've
watched
and
monitored.
How
that's
gone.
I
have
friends
right
on
Central
right
off,
Central
Cress
has
been
I,
don't
have
to
tell
you.
H
It's
been
like
a
like
a
war
zone
essentially
and
then
talking
to
the
businesses
on
Florida
Avenue
too,
that
have
been
affected.
She
and
I
get
the
the
brunt
of
it
and
we
try
to
be
as
responsive
as
possible.
But
again
We've
responded
one-on-one
to
the
constituent
concerns
you
have.
Will
stock
who's
been
very,
very
responsive
and
I
appreciate
that
anytime
we
have
an
issue,
he
always
picks
up
the
phone,
but
again
we
get
bombarded
with
questions
and
we
have
to
put
ourselves
in
in
their
and
their
shoes.
H
Z
Z
Z
We've
been
a
part
of
this
community
program,
we
did
Marion
Street
right
outside
here,
I
mean
we've
been
in
this
community
for
ever.
So
please
just
call
me,
somebody
gives
you
trouble
or
anything.
Just
they
got
he's
got
my
cell
phone
number.
He
doesn't
bother
calling
he
doesn't
hesitate
to
call
me
so
great.
E
B
Z
B
AA
Yes,
sir
good
afternoon,
Council
Gene
Duncan
administrator
for
infrastructure,
Mobility
we'd
like
to
request,
if
it's
the
pleasure
of
council
to
to
have
the
order
of
27
and
28,
which
are
tied
together
regarding
the
sixth
pilot
project
Grant,
and
then
we
would
do
number
12
and
number
13.
If
that's
okay,.
AB
Good
afternoon
Council
Chuck
Weber
water
department,
director
these
items
are
relate
to
a
suspended,
ion
exchange
pilot
that
was
originally
conceived
of
and
we
began
work
under
the
pure
project.
The
work
for
this
was
approved
in
last
February
by
Council.
Since
that
time,
as
you
know,
we
we've
had
some
changes
in
how
we're
approaching
pure,
but
also
the
state
appropriated,
a
million
dollar
Grant
to
do
this.
Pilot
and
I
wanted
to
point
out
some
some
important
aspects
of
this
pilot.
AB
It
goes
beyond
whether
or
not
we
ever
decide
to
do
a
reuse
project.
This
pilot
is
going
to
look
at
the
effectiveness
of
removing
nitrogen
and
phosphorus,
as
well
as
chemicals
like
pfos
and
pfoa
from
the
Howard
Fern
effluent
and
that's
relevant
to
reducing
nutrient
loading
into
the
bay
as
well
as
water
reuse.
So
there
is
a
huge
benefit
in
garnering
this
information.
We
have
support
from
neighboring
utilities,
who
are
also
using
this
technology.
Tampa
Bay
Water
included
a
letter
that
was
in
the
agenda
packet
supporting
this.
AB
So
there
is
a
lot
of
benefit
to
moving
forward
with
this
pilot.
To
get
that
information,
the
time
frame
is
relatively
short.
It's
a
six-month
pilot
and
we
could
have
this
valuable
information
within
you
know
the
August
September
time
frame
so
there's
a
lot
of
information
to
begin
a
lot
of
benefit
and
zero
cost
to
the
city.
AB
We're
expecting
the
pilot
to
come
in
around
750
000
and
the
grant
is
for
a
million
and
with
that
I'd
like
to
introduce
Benny
Hart,
who
is
the
Executive
Vice
President
of
Corolla
engineering,
and
he
has
been
working
on
this
sixth
process
with
us
at
the
tip
implant
and
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
the
expert
on
suspended
ion
exchange
here
in
the
United
States.
In
case
you
had
any
questions.
B
E
E
AB
E
AB
AB
That
is
incorrect.
The
information
has
been
shared.
It
was
shared
almost
two
years
ago
with
Nancy
Stevens
with
the
Sierra
Club.
She
responded
an
email
after
she
received
the
information
they
have
it.
They
have
additional
questions
about
that
information.
That
information
study
stemmed
from
studies
that
were
done
under
the
top
project,
but
we
did
analyze
over
a
hundred
different
compounds,
including
chemicals
that
aren't
regulated
Pharmaceuticals,
pfos
and
pifola,
and
we
ran
thousands
of
samples
against
those
hundreds
of
different
contaminants.
E
E
So
so
then,
my
question
is
going
to
be:
if
we're
starting
this
grant
to
see
this
water
quality
treatment,
won't
we
need
to
have
a
Baseline
number
of
everything.
That's
being
that's
currently
there
before
we
can
say
we're
taking
because
you're
not
going
to
have
anything
to
measure
so
I'm
asking
my
question
is:
is
the
first
part
of
this
grant
going
to
be
doing
that
Baseline
testing?
It.
AB
Would
do
both
it'll
measure,
the
chemicals
that
are
in
the
effluent
and
then
it
will
go
through
this
process
and
then
we'll
measure
what's
left
over.
So
it
will
directly
answer
the
question:
what
what's
in
there
to
begin
with
how
much
is
removed
what's
left
in
in
the
in
the
in
the
final
effluent
after
the
process,
and
that's
been
one
of
the
questions
of
the
stakeholders
from
some
time.
This
will
help
answer
that.
E
Okay
and
then
I
have
a
question
I'm,
just
one
more
question
for
for
the
gentleman
who
does
this
process
how
quickly
or
how
long
does
it
take
for
I?
Don't
know
how
you
do
this
by
the
gallon
by
the
I
can't
be
by
the
gallon
that
would
take
forever,
but
by
the
you
know,
thousands
of
gallons.
However,
you
do
this:
how
long
does
it
take
the
water
to
go
from
point
A
to
point
B
to
being
cleaned.
X
Through
the
through,
the
process
is
fairly
fast,
it's
about
a
20
minute
contact
time
with
the
ion
exchange
resin,
and
then
it
settles
in
a
few
minutes
now,
when
we
make
changes
to
the
process
it
takes
about
30,
we
call
it
bed
volumes,
that's
the
number
of
times
we
regenerate
the
resin
before
it
gets
back
to
steady
state.
So
once
we
make
a
change,
it
might
take
two
days
before
we're
confident
in
those
results.
Okay,.
E
J
number
13.,
the
we'll
get
to
that
one
in
a
minute,
but
it
clearly
shows
that
this
Administration
wants
toilet
tab
pure
tap,
whatever
we
call
it,
they
want
it
at
all
costs-
and
this
is
part
of
death
by
a
thousand
paper
cuts.
Just
to
prove
this.
It's
only
a
million
dollars.
It's
not
our
money.
We
got
it
from
somewhere
else.
J
The
bottom
line
is
that
and-
and
then
you
know
in
the
prior
conversations
said-
oh
look,
Singapore
does
this
and
Israel
does
it
and
every,
but
in
the
in
the
exact
configuration
that
has
been
posed
by
proposed
by
this
engineering
firm,
it's
it's!
It
is
an
experimental
system
we
paid
for
r
d.
This
is
paying
for
R,
D,
Sierra,
Club
and
others.
J
The
bottom
line
is
that
is
that
this
is
the
first
step
in
pushing
us
to
a
path
death
to
eventually
approve
a
project.
The
public
doesn't
want
that.
We
don't
need
and
we're
going
to
be
the
guinea
pigs
in
in
experimenting
something
different.
I
am
going
to
vote
against
this
I
hope.
My
colleagues
will
there's
no
reason
to
vote
for
it
it.
J
The
public
will
see
it
as
a
vote
in
favor
of
pure,
even
though
pure
supposedly
doesn't
exist,
because
they'll
come
back
with
a
new
name
and
I
am
not
because
I,
don't
trust
the
engineering
firms
that
have
been
involved
in
this
before,
in
particular,
the
the
information
that's
been
given
by
Corolla
I'm,
not
voting
for
any
contracts
that
are
presented
that
as
corio
or
PCL
connected
to
this
project
again.
Thank
you.
AB
I
just
like
to
reiterate
this,
this
started
out
as
something
under
pure,
but
it
has
value
well
beyond
that,
and
that
value
is
looking
at
nutrient
reduction
to
the
Bay.
It's
also
looking
at
P
fast
and
fifola
removal,
which
are
important
things
we
need
to
look
at
and
I
just
like
to
say
something
about.
Ro
r
o
is
definitely
a
technology.
We
need
to
continue
to
look
at,
but
it
is
not
the
only
technology
out
there.
It's
not
the
most
environmental
friendly
technology.
AB
J
It
they,
whether
it's,
whether
it's
at
the
direction
of
the
administration
or
their
own
ideas,
they've,
been
pushing
ideas
that
this
public
doesn't
want
and
they've
been
pushing
methods
without
without
it.
You
know
it's
one
thing:
if
you
want
to
push
a
certain
technology,
but
I'm
not
advocating
for
reverse
osmosis,
even
I'm
not
advocating
for
any
I
just
want
an
objective
evaluation.
I've
been
here
three
and
a
half
years,
and
we
don't
have
an
object
evaluation.
J
B
B
B
We're
we're
we're
reducing
a
byproduct,
correct
that
by
the
old
pure
plan,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
was
supposed
to
be
deep,
well
injected.
I'm
against
the
deep,
well
injection
this
one
percent
byproduct
that
your
plan
is
is
proposing
can
that
be
dealt
with
in
a
way
where
it
could
be
reduced
on
its
own.
X
B
X
When
we
looked
at
the
original
pilot
for
my
ex,
which
was
a
slightly
different
technology
at
the
plant,
we
looked
at
the
idea
of
taking
that
brine,
concentrate
and
giving
it
to
companies
that
specialize
in
Organics
and
fertilizer
making.
That
would
be
a
path
that
we
could
go
down
with
this
minimal
brine
stream
very
similar.
Thank.
E
I'm
approving
this,
because
I
also
sit
on
the
Tampa
Bay
Estuary
board
and
right
now
we're
hearing
that
there's
too
much
nitrogen
going
into
the
bay.
So
my
interest
is
not
in
deep,
well
injection
because
that's
not
going
to
happen
if
I
have
anything
to
say
about
it,
but
this
treating
our
Wastewater
that
is
currently
going
into
the
bay.
E
So
it's
so
it
does
have
less
nutrients
and
then
less
Plastics
is
something
that
I'm
in
favor
of
regardless,
because
it's
something
I'm
hoping
that
we
reduce
it
enough
that
the
state
will
allow
us
to
continue
to
do
so
because
it
is
beneficial
to
the
Bay.
So
my
my
goal
with
this
is
simply
to
see
if
we
can
reduce
the
the
nutrients
so
that
the
bay
receives
fewer
nutrients.
That
is,
that
is
my
biggest
concern.
E
B
But
this
is
just
tip
of
the
iceberg.
Our
storm
water
runoff,
creates
a
heck
of
a
lot
more
problems
and
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
find
some
way
to
clean
that
water
before
it
goes
back
out
to
the
Bay
and
I
also
would
like
to
think
about
having
a
program
by
the
city
of
Tampa
for
seagrass
maintenance,
where
we
can
go
within
our
own
Waters
and
have
great
companies
out
there
that
plant
sea
grasses
councilman
Moran
did
I
see.
You
want
to
say
something.
F
Yeah
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
very
much.
You
I've
I've
heard
of
your
company's
name.
I've,
never
met
you
before
I,
don't
believe
I
know
you
have
businesses
throughout
and
I
believe
you
also
represent
Tampa
Bay
water
on
and
off
to
you,
I've
seen
your
name
on
those
agenda.
That's
why
I'm
saying
that
I
can
say
this.
Even
with
all
the
how
many
advantuciary
treatment
plants
are
in
this
area,.
X
F
One
of
the
largest
is
where
ours,
and
even
doing
that
even
doing
that
and
pumping
that
water
for
years
that
we
and
we
have
brought
some
of
the
area
back
to
normality,
with
changes
on
a
daily
basis,
you're
still
dumping
370
tons
or
something
like
that
into
the
bay,
even
with
an
advantage
surgery.
But
can
you
imagine
those
that
are
dumping
without
an
advanced
research
or
even
plan?
F
B
B
AC
J
AC
B
N
N
G
N
Really
do
and
you're
a
hard
worker
and
and
and
I've
just
really
appreciated
your
work
for
the
City
of
Tampa
I.
Think
you're,
a
good
guy
you've
got
good
values,
you're
a
hard
worker
and
and
you've
just
really
impressed
the
heck
out
of
me.
So
just
and
and
we'll
miss
you
and
I
I
wish
that
that
we
could
all
we
could
have
two
AIDS
and
whatnot,
but
you
you
just
do
a
good
job
and.
M
N
Right,
that's
what
I
was
thinking,
that's
what
I
was
thinking
but
but
that
you
do
just
a
good
job
and
you're
a
heck
of
a
hard
worker,
and
you
really
get
along
with
everybody
here.
You
know
you
really
really
do
so:
I
I.
How
old
are
you
23,
24,
24
man
and
you're,
a
kid
God
Bless,
you
that's
great,
but
I
just
I
just
wanted
to
come
out
here.
N
J
J
AD
AD
B
N
All
right
well
and
if
I
and
if
I
may,
if
I
made
to
maybe
take
a
picture
and
Matt
it's
funny
with
with
him
Texas
when
I
interviewed
him
I
heard
he
was
from
Texas
and
I
go.
Are
you
a
LBJ
fan?
He
goes
I
love
LBJ,
so
we
we
bonded
over
that
and
many
things
in
just
a
good
dude
but
come
on
up
and
get
a
picture
and
I
I
was.
F
H
B
G
M
AA
Yes,
sir,
so
Gene
Duncan
administrator
for
infrastructure,
Mobility
I
just
want
to
make
a
quick
comment
about
my
order.
Request
I
actually
made
that
order
request
on
my
own.
Just
a
few
minutes
ago
in
consideration
of
Mr
Vinnie
Hart,
his
executive
VP
of
his
company
he's
been
here
since
nine
o'clock
this
morning
and
I
didn't
know.
AA
J
Yeah
Gina
Ms,
Duncan,
I'm,
sorry,
if
I,
if
it
if
it
came
across,
is
that
I
was
implying
that
you
did
something
wrong
in
reordering
it.
It
is
I
think
the
conversation
on
those
items
would
have
been
different.
Had
we
discussed
that
other
one
first
and
that
I
think
that
document
didn't
come
from
your
department.
There
were
a
lot
of
concerns
I
have
about
that
document,
but
because
of
the
order,
I
think
the
conversation
would
have
been
different.
So
I
wasn't
implying
that
you
did
anything
wrong.
J
Yeah
and
if
we're
going
to
talk
about
this
now
I'll
just
comment
on
it,
my
question
really
was
to
to
find
out
if
the
administration
was
open.
It's
not
a
question
about
the
water
department
was
the
ministration
open
to
using
the
lobbying
resource
of
the
city
and
the
legal
resources
City.
If,
if,
if
this
was
a
private
company,
I
was
running,
I
would
I
would
sue
the
state
and
I
would
hire
a
team
of
lobbyists,
because
I
would
never
allow
this.
J
This,
the
the
the
citizens
of
the
community
be
put
at
risk
of
having
their
rate
water
rate
increased
and
have
to
drink
this,
and
first
of
all,
I
mean
we
should
be.
We
should
be
spending
this
time
talking
about
climate
change
and
flooding
instead
of
instead
of
all
these
resources
working
on
this-
and
that's
not
your
decision,
but
it's
just
frustrating
to
me
that
we
spend
so
much
time
working
on
something
that
the
public
absolutely
doesn't
want
and
the
only
legitimate
excuse
for
it
anymore.
J
Is
that
the
state's
forcing
us
to
do
it
and
there's
some
questions
about
whether
the
city
resources
were
used
to
lobby
for
it
or
not?
That
answered
that
question
by
the
way
was
in
this
Administration,
not
the
last
Administration
I
know
from
several
different
sources
that
lobbyists
in
the
last
administration
were
in
Tallahassee
and
did
Lobby
for
it,
because
the
lobbyists
I
know
walked
out
of
the
meetings
just
after
their
lobbyists
did
so
the
the
fact
is.
J
J
My
question
was
more
to
find
out
if
the
administration
was
open
to
it.
What
they
said
is
absolutely
not.
They
gave
several
pages
of
reasons
why
they're
just
they're
they're
shallow
excuses.
If
you
want
to
protect
the
citizens
of
this
community,
you
would
do
it,
but
they
don't
want
to
do
it
and
so
the
answer
clearly
is
they
want
this
project?
No
matter
what
not
you
guys,
but
the
the
mayor's
people
want
this
project.
J
It
is
I,
think
Reckless
and
irresponsible
I'm
going
to
get
lobbyists
myself
I'm
going
to
work
with
agencies
that
have
lobbyists.
I
might
even
hire
attorneys
to
stop
this
because
I
will
not
I
will
do
everything
I
can
to
protect
the
citizens
of
this
city.
Clearly,
in
the
charter,
the
city
council
has
no
authority
to
tell
the
legal
department
what
to
do
and
we
have
no
Authority.
J
J
No
I
wasn't
I
was
just
asking
whether
the
minister
really
I
was
asking
whether
the
administration
was
open
to
suing
the
state
or
or
using
lobbying
resource
to
try
to
change
the
law.
I
think
it's
I've
worked
on
a
bunch
of
advocacy
cases
in
Tallahassee
for
30
years.
I
know
it's
absolutely
possible.
It
doesn't
matter
all
the
reasons
they
gave
were
thin
excuses,
always
unanimous.
There's
new
leadership
that
comes
in
all
the
time.
You
can
always
modify
something
Republican
leadership,
I've
had
many
people
talk
to
the
Republican
leadership
and
they've
said
no.
J
This
is
not
a
multi-billion
dollar
mandate
for
the
citizens
of
Tampa,
so
knowing
that
they
will
change
it.
They're
they're
I'm
part
of
the
largest
business
organization
to
Tallahassee
they're
appalled.
When
they
hear
about
this
that
the
citizens
and
business
of
this
community
are
going
to
be
straddle
with
this
and
have
to
maybe
drink
it.
AE
So
we're
stuck
that's
what
I
want
to
address.
It
certainly
have
the
right
to
make
a
motion
to
Elite,
at
least
through
the
state.
If
you
have
a
thought
in
mind
as
to
I
I
I,
just
looking
at
this
right
now,
I
I'm,
trying
to
figure
out
on
what
basis
we
would
sue
the
state
over
this
law
that
passed
a
couple
years
ago.
But
if
a
lot
of
times
you'll
say
to
me,
you've
talked
about
this
with
other
lawyers.
If
you've
gotten
an
opinion
from
another
lawyer,
I'm
glad
to
review
it.
J
Follow
up
with
you
privately
about
the
other
Council
I've
gotten
and
we
can
discuss
it
before
I
make
a
motion.
Okay,
but
I
can
just
tell
my
colleagues.
Some
of
them
are
for
this,
and
some
of
them
are
against
it.
I
I
cannot
imagine
that
we
would
not
do
everything.
Why
would
the
city
not
do
everything
we
can
not
to
straddle
the
the
taxpayers
with
this
and
to
make
them
drink
it?
J
E
I,
don't
disagree
and
Andrew
I'm
Sorry
Miss,
someone
no
don't
go
too
far,
but
that's
that
to
me
was
the
reason.
I
voted
for
the
six,
because
what
they
told
us
was
they
weren't
going
to
allow
us
to
use
that
our
outflow
to
help
the
bay,
because
it
has
too
much
nutrients
in
it
and
so
I'm,
hoping
that
this
will
help
that
so
that
we
can
go
to
the
state
and
say
hey.
E
AE
It's
it's
without
knowing
more
I,
don't
know
the
answer.
What
we
would
have
to
do
in
any
case,
whoever
was
asking
us,
can
we
file
suit,
is
understand
what
it
is,
we're
challenging.
What
the
basis
of
our
claim
would
be.
You
know
whether
we
have
standing
there's
lots
of
things
that
go
into
it
the
likelihood
of
success,
all
that
so
I
offhand.
Nothing
is
coming
to
mind
as
to
a
basis
for
which
we
could
sue
the
state
over
this.
F
Brad,
thank
you.
Mr,
chairman
and
again
on
item
number
13
Senate
bill.
64.
I,
believe
that
was
a
Senator
that
did
that
from
very
close
proximity
to
Hillsborough
County.
That
Senator
is
now
Commissioner
of
Agriculture
and
I.
Believe
this
thing
was
passed
unanimously.
If
not
closer,
you
managed
to
be
in
the
legislature,
am
I
correct.
F
F
Sometimes,
when
I'm
going
to
Tampa
Bay
water
with
Mr
Chuck,
Weber
and
Brad
Baird
I
I
mentioned
it
to
him
when
I
saw
what
I
heard
and
they
look
at
me
like
you,
ain't
got
nothing
else
to
do
and
I
said
no
I,
just
don't
have
cable,
but
when
I
watch
these
things
I
see
the
conversation
that
they're
having
and
basically
it's
the
same
is
here,
but
in
another
framework
and
I
remember
what
discussion
was?
How
can
we
change
this
and
one
member
said?
F
F
There
were
they
did
it
for
a
reason
and
that
reason
possibly
is
to
clean
up
something,
but
in
doing
that,
I
had
some
harmful
side
effects.
So
these
are
the
things
that
I
think
can
be
worked
out
with
the
legislature
without
a
lawsuit
I'm,
not
saying
you
can't
lawsuit,
you
can't
sue
either,
but
you
can
work
them
out,
I
believe
with
the
legislatures.
I
I
AE
Well,
I
think
again,
I
think
we're
getting
ahead
of
ourselves.
I
think
first
I
have
to
understand.
On
what
basis
would
we
be
suing?
What
is
our
claim?
You
know
one
of
the
concepts
of
of
the
legal
world.
That's
hard
to
explain
to
people
is
just
because
you
don't
like
something
or
something
feels
wrong.
There
isn't
always
a
legal
basis
to
sue
someone.
So
first
I
have
to
understand
what
it
is.
We
would
be
asserting
what
would
be
what
would
be
our
claim
over
this
legislation
that
was
enacted
in
previous
years?
I
Yeah
and
you
can
just
let's
take
the
suit
out-
let's,
let's
just
say
the
basis
of-
was
asked
about
lobbying
to
see.
If
you
can
get
some
modifications,
though,
but
this
Council
wants
that,
but
the
administration
does
that
my
my
thing
is
now:
what
is
what
would
be
the
position,
a
proposition
of
the
legal
department
and
say
well,
Council,
who
is
the
legislative
body
of
this
city,
is
saying
that
they
have
a
position.
AE
Well,
I
think
the
way
I
read
the
memo
was
they
weren't
saying
we
don't
want
to
Lobby.
They
were
saying
that
before
spending
City
resources
to
Lobby,
we
have
to
analyze
what
the
likelihood
for
Success
would
be
the
way.
I
read
the
memo
they
felt.
There
was
a
very
poor
likelihood
of
success
of
the
lobbying
effort
that
was
asked
for
with
that
being
said,
Council
still
has
the
ability
to
do
things.
You
know
you
have
the
ability
to
pass
a
resolution
send
that
to
Tallahassee.
AE
You
know
to
the
legislators
in
Tallahassee
you
have
the
ability
to
write
letters
on
you
know
you
could
pass
a
resolution
to
have
a
letter
written
on
behalf
of
the
council
by
the
chair.
You
could
each
individually
Lobby
or
write
to
the
legislature.
I
mean
you
do
have
powers
in
that
regard.
It's
just
the
you
know.
The
memo
was
addressing
the
question
of
whether
the
city,
it
made
sense
for
the
city
to
use
its
lobbying
resources
on
that
issue.
J
Yeah
just
to
follow
up
on
it
on
a
couple
things,
the
I've
had
extensive
conversations
with
the
people
in
Northeast,
Florida
I've
spoken
to
some
of
the
engineers
and
others,
and
you
know
every
situation
is
a
little
bit
different
in
our
situation.
Our
considerations
are
different
here
and
they
have
reasons
why
they're
trying
to
comply
with
the
law.
We
have
reasons
why
we
shouldn't
comply
with
the
law
and
I
think
we
need
to
to
move
forward
with
that.
J
I've
not
spoken
directly
to
Wilton
Simpson,
but
I've
had
several
high-level
people
who
know
him
well,
speak
to
him.
You
have
yes,
everyone
that
I've
spoken
to
has
spoken
on.
My
behalf
to
him
says
that
this
is
absolutely
not
a
mandate.
The
city
of
Tampa
should
not
have
to
stick
the
taxpayer
rate
payers
with
a
huge
cost.
J
I've
spoken
to
legislative
aides,
of
the
people
who
are
on
the
committee,
and
they
say
that
the
intent
of
the
legislation
was
not
to
do
this.
It's
it's
weird
that
the
excuse
given
by
an
email
dep
we
didn't
get
to
my
knowledge.
We
didn't
get
official
order
from
dep.
We
didn't
get
an
official
document
from
a
group
of
people
who
voted
on
it.
J
We
got
an
email
from
someone
who
said,
oh,
you
don't
meet
the
minimum
flows,
and
my
question
was:
what
about
the
cities
without
Rivers
I
mean
the
whole
thing
is
very
suspect,
and-
and
we
know
that
the
public
doesn't
want
this,
and
you
know
if
the
mayor
wants
to
hang
her
political
hat
on
it.
Great
I,
don't
know
why,
but
we
have
to
we're
in
a
position.
We
have
to
protect
the
health
safety
well-being
costs
of
our
of
our
community,
and
we
need
to
do
everything
we
can
to
stop
it.
J
If
you
come
up
with
a
legal
reason
to
stop
it.
Let
me
know:
I
absolutely
know
that
lobbying
can
work.
I
got
a
whole
team
of
people
that
I
can
pay
for.
To
put
on.
I
was
hoping
the
city
would
do
it.
If
I
figure
out
how
to
stop
it,
then
I'll
come
back
and
ask
why
didn't
the
city
do
what
I
did
with
a
lot
less
resources?
Thank
you.
Mr.
I
C
To
me,
yes,
okay,
thank
you.
That's
a
good
question.
Councilman
Goods
I
said
what
we
can't
do.
I,
don't
understand
that.
Well,
let's,
let's
talk
about
because
I
remember
this
came
up.
I
believe
it
was
excuse
me
I,
believe
this
came
up
under
the
iorio
administration.
There
was
a
specific
question
directed
to
the
City
attorney.
As
I
recall,
it
was
David
Smith
at
the
time
who
speaks
for
the
city
and
I
believe
that
might
actually
be
somewhere
in
the
city
attorney's
office
that
opinion
but
effectively.
C
So
that's
really
the
mayor's
purview
to
speak
for
the
city
and
that's
what
the
the
gist
of
the
memo
said.
So,
yes,
you
can
speak
for
the
city
council,
but
then
that
does
not
speak
for
the
city.
You
could
certainly
Lobby,
on
behalf
of
you
know
your
own
position
as
a
city
council
member
now
getting
back
to
what
you
can
do
remember
a
resolution
is
a
is
a
statement
of
a
policy
position
of
of
the
city
council.
C
The
mayor
does
not
necessarily
there
are
some
resolutions
that
the
mayor
does
sign,
but
generally
no,
and
that
is
a
as
opposed
to
an
ordinance
which
is
a
law,
and
that
is
the
kind
of
thing
that
goes
to
the
mayor's
signature
goes
to
the
mayor
for
for
her
signature
or
or
not.
If
she
agrees
to
decides
to
veto
it
or
allow
it
to
become
law
without
her
signature.
C
So
the
question
is,
from
a
policy
perspective,
what
is
It
ultimately
that
this
city
council
representing
your
constituents,
wants
to
accomplish,
and
once
you
do
that,
and
you
come
to
a
consensus.
The
question
then
to
be
posed
to
the
legal
department
or
to
be
posed
to
me
or
to
post.
The
administration
is
how
do
you
or
we
work
to
accomplish
what
it
is
that
city
council
wants
to
do
now?
I
It
from
coming
back
if
the
community
is
saying
that
and
we've
already
told
them
to
stop
changing
the
name.
How
are
we
supposed
to
stop
to
this?
This
is
that's
getting
out
here.
Let's
quit
playing
games
with
that's
why
I
hate,
sometimes
we
go
round
and
round
and
round
and
Miss
Miranda's
over
here.
Doing
that
and
he's
let's
get
to
it.
You
know
so,
let's
just
get
to
it.
How
do
we,
if
we
don't
want
it
done
in
this
city
regardless?
The
mayor
speaks
for
the
city.
I
C
Ridiculous,
that's
a
fair,
well,
the
thing
is
the
council
clearly
has
to
express
that
if
that's
council's
decision
and
then
with
working
with
the
administration,
because
actually
ultimately
there
are
multiple
ways
you
can
control
something.
You
know
a
a
law
that
would
prevent
it.
Perhaps
or
perhaps
budgetary
restraints
on
it.
But
the
thing
is
Mr.
G
I
Don't
need
all
the
fluff
I
need
you
to
either
research
that
and
get
back
with
individual
countless
moves
to
tell
them
if
they're
in
support,
if
they're
not
these
are
these
are
things
you
can
do.
You
can't
do
and
you
bring
that
to
this
body
and
we
move
on
either
put
it
to
bed
or
we
move
on.
Let
them
get
their
water
or
we
stopping,
but
just
going
around
and.
C
Around
I
know,
I
want
to
go,
I
get
what
you're
saying,
sir.
So
if,
if,
if
that's
absolutely
the
the
sentiment
of
counsel-
and
you
want
to
communicate
that
the
first
way
to
to
attempt
to
do
it,
to
get
the
administration
to
take
notice
of
it-
is
to
put
together
a
resolution
and
to
make
that
the
official
statement
of
policy
of
this
particular
Council.
And
if
you
wanted
to
be
an
official
position
of
this
particular
Council,
and
you
wanted
to
have
the
effect
of
law.
C
C
B
B
B
B
B
What's
Stephanie
Poynter
says:
sorry,
not
sorry.
I'd
rather
spend
the
two
or
three
million
dollars
it
would
take
to
fight
this
without
the
clean
water
that
we're
reintroducing
into
the
bay
I'd
rather
take
those
money
and
spend
it
on
the
fire
department.
I've
made
my
statement.
We
have
two
agenda
items
in
front
of
us
number,
12
and
number
13..
What
is
the
pleasure
of
counseling.
AA
Gene
Duncan
administrator
for
infrastructure
Mobility.
That
is
correct.
We
did
not
provide
anything
verbally
here
today
on
item
number
12,
which
is
we're
planning
to
give
you
a
short
summary
of
the
17
questions
that
we
were
received.
We'd
be
happy
to
do
a
deeper
dive
on
that
in
the
February
Workshop.
That's
the
pleasure
of
counsel.
AA
If
I
could
just
make
one
clarifying
comment
that
the
administration
isn't
pushing
any
particular
project,
the
administration
is
supporting
the
Techno
technical
opinion
that
we
have
problems
we
need
to
solve
in
terms
of
Sulfur
Springs
and
in
terms
of
having
a
sustainable
water
source
to
meet
our
82
MGD
obligation.
There
is
no
active,
pure
project,
so
in
case
that's
out
there
in
the
public
that
that's
a
concern.
The
only
activity
is
now,
thankfully,
to
your
vote
today
pursuing
a
way
to
improve
this
safety
and
quality
of
our
Wastewater
through
the
sixth
pilot.
AA
E
I
wanted
to
see
this
just
because
I
was
told
it
was
going
to
include
some
information
about
how
the
stakeholders
felt
about
the
meeting
you
had
with
them
last
week,
but
I
do
know
I'm
not
going
to
answer.
Ask
any
specific
questions,
because
I
do
know
we're
going
to
get
into
this
on
the
23rd
of
February.
AA
AB
Chuck
Weber
water
department,
director
I,
didn't
really
prepare
any
slides
about
the
meeting
we
had
on
Tuesday
I
felt
like
it
was
a
very
good
meeting
what
I
liked
most
about
it
was
we
had
an
open
conversation.
It
was
a
civil
conversation
I.
It
was
my
impression
that
all
the
issues
surrounding
the
Water
Resource
challenges
we
have
with
Sulfur
Springs.
You
know
making
our
water
supply
more
resilient
and
complying
with
state
law,
Senate
Bill
64..
All
those
issues
that
we've
been
hearing
in
the
past
came
to
the
surface.
AB
They
were
discussed
and
I
think
all
the
perspectives
were
heard.
Based
on
my
recollection
of
what
I've
heard
in
the
past.
So
I
felt
like
it
was
a
very
good
discussion
and
I
think
it'll
help
us
in
February
we'll
have
a
report
come
from
the
moderator
of
that
Workshop
I
think
there'll
be
a
transcript
of
the
workshop
available
and
we
should
be
able
to
take
a
deeper
dive
into
those
issues
in
February.
Now
it
wasn't
the
intent
really
to
go
through
every
issue
like
we
did.
AB
We
were
going
to
focus
on
best
and
worst
case
of
what
we
were
calling
status
quo
and
we
did
discuss
that
part
in
detail
as
well,
and
we
discussed
the
the
challenges
with
purchasing
more
water
from
Tampa
Bay
water.
It's
not
that
that
can't
be
done
and
that's
something
we
definitely
need
to
continue
to
discuss.
That
could
definitely
be
part
of
our
plan
moving
forward
and
but
there
are
challenges
associated
with
that.
AB
We've
talked
about
the
the
challenges
with
and
other
ways
in
which
we
could
reduce
or
eliminate
the
discharge
to
comply
with
Senate
Bill
64.
Mr,
Sid
Flannery
was
there
and-
and
he
described
some
good
ideas,
I
think
that
conversation
and
discussion
under
February
23rd,
Workshop,
Warren
Hogg,
with
Tampa
Bay
water
was
there
and
he
reaffirmed
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I
get
his
point
clear.
AB
He
says:
Tampa
Bay
Water
stands
ready
to
serve,
but
he
also
indicated
that
you
know
if,
if
they
need
to
supply
us
water
under
82,
that
can
be
a
challenge
in
a
drought
situation
and
that
we
do
stand
last
in
line.
If
we
wanted
to
change
the
interlocal
agreement,
we
can't
really
do
that
at
Tampa,
Bay
water,
because
they're,
not
a
party
to
the
interlocal
agreement,
we'd,
have
to
go
to
member
governments
and
each
and
every
member
government
would
have
to
approve
it
unanimously.
AB
So
we
had
some
discussions
about
that
and
it's
not
to
say
that
that
can't
be
done,
but
we
had
a
good
discussion
about
what
it
would
entail.
So
I
don't
want
to
I,
don't
want
to.
You
lose
a
lot
of
time.
I
think
we
could
have
a
good
discussion
in
February,
23rd
and
I
can
move
on
and
talk
about
the
17
questions.
If
that's
good
enough
overview.
AB
AB
Yeah,
just
to
reiterate,
I'm
that
we
have
nowhere
near
the
time
to
go
through
each
and
every
question
so
I
just
want
to
as
I
go
through
it
maybe
correct
some
of
the
other
things
that
were
said
earlier
today.
That
I
think
are
a
little
inaccurate
I.
You
know,
I
I
can
understand
the
emotion
and
the
concern
Behind.
These
questions,
they're
they're,
good
questions,
there's
questions.
AB
We
ask
ourselves
as
we
get
into
this
project,
so
I
have
empathy
for
the
questions
and
the
need
to
have
a
response
to
the
questions
that
say:
yeah,
okay,
I
get
it
and
then
I
I.
You
know
that
this
feels
good
too,
so
we
did
our
best
to
group
the
questions
into
similar
areas
of
concern
so
that
we
could
take
a
holistic
approach
and
not
just
you
know,
give
a
one
or
two
word
answer
to
a
question
but
really
really
address
the
concerns
behind
the
questions.
AB
So
that's
why
we
grouped
them,
but
so
that
part
that
I
heard
earlier
was
true.
We
did
group
them,
but
the
we
did
and
in
writing
answer
each
and
every
question
so
each
question,
although
they're
they're,
grouped
under
areas
of
concern,
each
question
has
its
own
separate
answer
so
that
that
was
a
I
think,
maybe
a
misunderstanding
earlier,
when,
when
it
was
stated
that
we
didn't
answer
the
questions
individually,
we
did
so
with
that.
I
would
just
jump
into
the
you
know
this
overview.
It's
I
think
we
got
five
slides
after
this
one.
AB
Let's
see
if
I
can
grab
the
next
slide
here,
so
the
groupings
where
the
need
for
the
project-
those
are
something
that's
something
we
should
be
able
to
answer,
and
we
can
answer
right
now.
Why
do
we
need
the
ques
this?
You
know
a
not
really
a
project,
but
why
do
we
need
to
address
these
resource
challenges
we
have
so
that
part
we
provided
a
considerable
information
on.
We
think
we've
answered
those
questions
thoroughly
the
questions
on
costs.
AB
Those
are
those
are
difficult
questions
to
answer,
along
with
the
other
two,
a
water,
quality
treatment
and
environmental
impacts,
because
we
need
to
do
a
lot
more
engineering
work
before
we
can
really
satisfy
the
concern
behind
the
question
so
just
talking
to
need.
It
really
boils
down
to
these.
Are
the
three
Water
Resource
challenges,
meeting
minimum
flows
and
supplying
the
82
million
gallons
a
day
of
drinking
water
under
all
conditions
and
complying
with
the
state
law?
AB
The
cost?
Really
why
we
can't
give
a
you
know.
A
firm
cost
and
right
now
is,
is
I
tried
to
lay
out
this
process
that
we
need
to
follow
to
get
there
and
right
now
we're
at
that
first
sub-bullet.
We
need
to
fund
public
engagement
and
and
do
the
public
engagement
and
look
at
Alternatives
and
Screen
through
the
Alternatives.
Then
we
need
to
select
an
alternative.
AB
So
there
you
can't
really
get
to
figuring
out
the
the
bottom
line
is:
how
much
is
this
going
to
cost
the
city
and
how
is
it
going
to
impact
our
bill
until
you
go
through
all
those
steps
and
we're?
Just
at
the
very
beginning,
the
I,
the
the
screening
costs
we
have
right
now
are
range
from
just
under
a
dollar
to
just
over
fifteen
dollars
per
thousand
gallons.
That's
a
huge
range,
and
really
you
know
the
upper
end
of
that
right.
AB
AB
AB
This
chart
I
apologize,
it's
a
little
hard
to
read,
but
it
shows
that
you
know
our
water
bill
is
roughly
half
of
what's
in
the
region
now
and
I
believe
this
chart
is
accurate
as
of
to
October
2021,
and
there
have
been
a
lot
of
rate
increases
at
the
other
utilities
and
and
talking
to
the
staff
at
other
utilities.
There's
need
to
continue
to
increase
their
rates
as
well,
and
it's
to
deal
with
similar
challenges
and
Rising
costs
on
projects
due
to
inflation.
AB
So
the
bottom
line
that
I
want
to
make
at
this
point
is
we're
not
going
to
propose
any
solution
to
these
projects
that
send
our
bill
out.
You
know
the
impact
on
the
bill,
we're
not
going
to
ask
for
a
solution.
That's
not
affordable!
That's
not
what
we're
talking
about
here.
We
fully
intend
to
keep
our
rates
at
a
reasonable
rate.
Like
you
see
here,
I
just
want
to
speak
real,
quick
to
water,
quality,
treatment
and
safety.
AB
You
know
safe
water
is
achievable
and
affordable,
and
we've
been
demonstrating
this
for
decades.
There
are
existing
Wastewater
discharges,
Upstream
of
our
water
supply
right
now,
Plant
City
discharges
into
the
Hillsborough
River
above,
where
we
take
the
water
out
and
where
Tampa
Bay
Water
takes
the
water
out
and
the
bypass
canal.
Hillsborough
County
discharges
Wastewater
Upstream
of
the
Tampa
Bay
water
intake
on
the
Alafia
River,
so
these
Concepts
and
the
treatment
processes
used
to
address
these
types
of
challenges.
They're
not
new
and
we've
been
successful
at
it.
AB
For
decades-
and
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
point
out
is
that
our
goal
is
not
just
to
meet
regulations,
we've
got
a
philosophy
of
exceeding
regulatory
requirements.
You
know
I
always
like
to
point
to
our
example
of
being
a
founding
member
of
this
partnership
for
Safe
Water,
where
we
submit
data
on
an
annual
basis
to
show
that
we're
continually
improving.
AB
AB
Yesterday
I
was
attending
a
regional
meeting,
the
Tampa
Bay
Water,
hosted
and
in
there
were
directors
and
water
quality
experts
from
all
the
utilities,
and
we
were
talking
about
pfos
and
pufoa,
and
the
regulations
and
where
they're
at
and
I
think
you
know,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
this
Council
understands
that
those
regulations
are
moving
forward.
In
fact,
Pennsylvania
adopted
regulations
I
think
within
the
last
week,
and
we
do
have
an
idea
of
how
much
you
know.
AB
AB
We
can't
measure
any
lower
than
that,
so
we're
barely
at
the
detectable
limit,
but
it
looks
like
the
levels
in
our
raw
water
are
lower
than
what
the
regulations
may
come
in
at
and
that's
not
to
say
that
we
shouldn't
still
look
at
what
we
need
to
do
to
treat
because
things
can
change
and
we
want
to
make
sure
we
have
an
effective
treatment
process.
But
it
does
point
to
the
discussion
of
that.
We
had
with
the
utility
experts
and
the
directors
on
water
quality.
AB
These
are
the
kinds
of
discussions
we
have
all
the
time
and
I
just
wanted
to
paint
a
picture
that
we're
not
just
operating
in
a
vacuum
here
at
the
city
of
Tampa
and
staying
ahead
of
the
regulations
and
that
safety
and
water
quality
are
of
Paramount
important.
It's
what
we've
done
for
we're
one
year
shy
of
100
years
at
the
tip
and
plant.
AB
The
the
last
thing
I
wanted
to
address
was
environmental
impacts.
I
wanted
to
make
it
clear
that
we
will
be
doing
detailed.
Modeling
we've
already
done
some
under
some
of
the
previous
projects,
but
in
order
to
make
sure
if
we
make
any
changes
to
the
effluent
quality
of
the
hard
enough
current
going
into
the
bay
we'll
do
detailed
modeling
to
make
sure
we
figure
out.
How
does
that
affect
things?
AB
If
we
end
up
putting,
you
know:
reclaimed
water
in
the
river,
whether
it's
Downstream,
the
dam
Upstream
to
the
dam
or
really
anywhere,
whether
it's
there
or
in
the
aquifer.
There's
a
lot
of
detailed
modeling,
that's
well
that
we
will
do
and
we've
already
done
some
and
as
far
as
other
impacts
and
way
we
just
address
those
is
the
pilot
testing.
The
six
pilot
is
a
good
example
of
pilot
testing
and
then
I
wanted
to
point
out
that
our
goal
is
to
meet
drinking
water
standards
going
into
the
environment.
AB
That
is
what
dep
is
looking
for
when
they're
permitting
these
facilities
and
they
are
starting
to
permit
these
facility
is
right
now
throughout
the
state.
So
I
look
forward
to
February
23rd,
where
we
can
talk
about
these
things
in
a
lot
more
detail
and
I.
Think
with
that
I'll
just
end
and
take
any
questions
you
have
councilwoman.
B
E
J
J
It's
a
it's
more
of
a
policy,
philosophical
decision
above
them
and
I'm
very
frustrated
with
the
lack
of
transparency
and
other
things.
I
know
you
all
are
doing
your
best
you're
trying
you
worked
with
Sid
on
the
dep
letter
and
other
things,
and
you
all
have
had
lots
of
conversations
with
me
and
I
I
know:
you're
you're
doing
your
best
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you.
B
B
The
question
the
the
statement
I
had
made
was
from
Louis
viera's
hero
Rambo,
don't
enter
into
a
war,
you
cannot
win,
we
have
an
applicant
that
is
at
a
library
using
their
Wi-Fi
and
that
library
is
going
to
close
in
20
minutes.
So
I
am
suggesting
we
hear
agenda
item
number
57
so
that
we
can
help
out
that
applicant.
H
A
AF
Yeah
this
application
was
filed,
the
city
of
Tampa
on
October
20th
2022,
the
applicant
owns
property
on
the
south
side
of
the
alleyway.
There's
requests
to
be
vacated
to
African
treason
for
the
application
is
to
eliminate
City
burden
of
Maintenance.
Ali
was
created
by
subdivision
Platt.
The
existing
Alleyway
is
approximately
6850
square
feet.
AF
AF
B
AG
G
AG
AG
B
AG
B
F
I
saw
something
in
the
times
the
other
day,
a
600
square
foot
and
about
400
a
foot
a
little
over
400.
and
so
I
I,
don't
know
who's
going
to
build
it
you're
going
to
build
it.
I,
don't
know
how
your
taxes
are
going
to
be,
but
it's
you're
going
to
have
one
meter.
One
electric
meter,
two
electric
meters.
AG
AG
AG
F
B
B
H
I
have
an
ordinance
being
presented
for
first
reading,
consideration
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Tampa,
Florida
vacating,
closing
discontinuing
and
abandoning
the
Island
Way
located
north
of
Emma
Street
south
of
Cayuga
Street
East
of
Highland,
Avenue
and
west
of
Fort
Avenue
within
the
plot
of
Meadowbrook
Subdivision
in
the
city
of
Tampa,
Florida
Hillsborough,
County
Florida.
It
has
more
fully
described
in
section
two
Heroes
subject
to
certain
covenants
conditions
and
restrictions
is
more
particularly
set
forth.
I
B
C
B
E
I
deny
an
ordinance
being
presented
for
first
reading,
consideration
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Tampa,
Florida,
vacating,
closing
discontinuing
and
abandoning
a
portion
of
Seventh
Avenue
right
away
and
Marcus.
Oh
gosh,
I'm,
sorry
I'm
the
wrong
one.
My
apologies
file
number
vac,
23-01
ordinance
being
presented
for
first
reading,
consideration,
I
am
denying
or
vote
sorry.
E
It's
been
a
long
day
motion
to
deny
an
ordinance
to
the
city
of
Tampa,
Florida
vacating,
closing
discontinuing
continuing
and
abandoning
that
Alleyway
located
north
of
Emma
Street
south
of
Cayuga
Street
East
of
Highland,
Avenue
and
west
of
Florida
Avenue
within
the
Plata
Meadowbrook
Subdivision
in
the
city
of
Tampa.
Hillsborough
County
is
Florida
as
more
full
described
in
section
two
here
of
subject
to
certain
covenants
conditions
and
restrictions
as
more
particularly
set
forth
herein
providing
for
enforcements
and
penalties.
I
guess:
I!
E
Don't
need
to
read
all
that
fun
time
for
violations
providing
for
definitions,
interpretations
and
yeah,
so
I'm
I'm
denying
it
and
the
the
rationale
behind
the
denial
is
that
we
need
to
encourage
more
ways
to
reach
domiciles
so
that
we
can
have
a
more
varied
housing
stock
within
the
city.
And
if
we
start
to
vacate
all
of
these
alleys,
we
are
going
to
take
that
possibility
away.
G
B
F
F
C
Yes,
sir,
the
council
had
two
votes.
The
first
motion
was
to
approve
that
failed
to
get
the
necessary
four
votes.
That
was
followed
by
a
motion
to
deny
your
application,
and
that
was
passed
by
a
motion
of
four
votes.
So
city
council's
Final
action
is
to
not
accept
your
petition
and
the
the
vacation
was
not
granted
by
the
city
council.
C
U
Marcy
Hamilton
assistant,
City
attorney
on
September,
the
1st.
You
provided
a
motion
asking
that
legal
bring
back
a
report
regarding
a
Prohibition
on
lobbying
by
those
entities
that
receive
City
funds
to
prevent
them
from
lobbying
on
behalf
of
third
parties,
I've
provided
a
report
in
regard
to
this.
We
do
have
from
what
I
can
gather.
We
basically
had
two
means
of
funding
for
procurements
and
also
providing
two
entities
such
as
non-profits.
U
It
hasn't
been
stated
as
to
who
you
wish
to
prohibit
from
lobbying
would
be
one
question,
then
there's
additional
issues
if
it's
in
regard
to
non-profits
certain
non-profits
are
organized
in
order
to
promote
economic
growth
in
the
city,
so
when
also
social
welfare,
if
we
prohibit
them
from
lobbying
on
behalf
of
third
parties,
it
kind
of
prohibits
the
activities
that
they're
organized
for
so
that's
an
issue.
Obviously,.
U
People
when
they
hear
about
lobbying,
there
are
issues
concerning
lobbying.
You
want
to
have
transparency
in
government,
but
you
also
probably
do
wish
to
hear
from
people
as
far
as
their
ideas
concerning
how
government
is
run
so
to
have
an
open
forum
for
the
whole
public
to
speak
on
behalf
of
their
ideas.
U
U
However,
there
have
been
various
cases
regarding
petitioning
government
regarding
grievances,
which
has
been
extended
to
rights
concerning
just
bringing
various
motions
to
council
or
government
entities,
not
just
grievances,
just
voicing
their
opinions.
There
have
been
various
different
standards.
Free
speech
has
three
different
standards.
U
When
we
get
into
this
issue
about
totally
prohibiting
free
speech,
it
depends
upon
what
you're
prohibiting
in
this
case.
We
think
that
perhaps
strict
scrutiny
would
come
into
play
so
that
there
would
have
to
be
a
compelling
interest
served,
so
it
would
have
to
be
some
sort
of
ordinance
narrowly
tailored
to
this
end.
We
do
have
Provisions
in
place
already
regarding
transparency,
where
all
lobbyists
do
have
to
register,
and
they
also
have
to
file
an
expenditure
report
annually.
B
J
This
area
Carlson
you're,
recognized
yeah.
My
concern
is
the
impression
that
that
this
that
the
city
would
fund
an
organization
that
would
then
turn
around
and
Lobby
the
city,
or
that
the
city
would
enter
directly
or
indirectly
pay
for
lobbying,
and
my
firm
working
with
other
government
organizations
has
been
under
similar
restrictions.
That's
why
I
asked
I
and
I
can't
remember
off
top
my
head,
which
ones
they
were,
but
you've
done
some
research
and
the
ones
you
looked
at
anyway.
J
I
think
didn't
have
that,
but
just
a
I
I'll
drop
this
issue,
but
just
just
to
give
and
a
kind
of
an
extreme
example
we
had.
We
have
had,
for
example,
non-profits
that
we
fund
advocate
in
favor
of
very
controversial
real
estate
projects
and,
and
then
it
looks
like
it
could
give
the
impression
that
cities
like.
Let
me
ask
you
just
an
extreme
example
and
then
and
then
I'll
be
quiet.
We
can
move
on.
J
Let's
say
there
was
a
non-profit
called
citizens
for
biking
while
black
and
we
gave
them
five
hundred
thousand
dollars,
and
but
the
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
was
for
not
lobbying
something
else,
but
then
they
turned
around
and
brought
100
people
every
week
to
say
we
need
biking
while
black.
Would
there
be
any
problem
with
that
is
that
we
didn't
officially
pay
for?
Maybe
we
were
paying
for
officially
paying
for
bike
lights
or
something,
but
but
then
that
organization
shows
up
with
100
people
every
week
saying
biking
while
Black's.
J
B
G
C
S
C
B
AE
Basically,
the
question
councilman
Carlson
raised
the
question
about
whether
there
was
any
to
retroactively
approve
settlement
agreements
that
were
not
brought
before
Council
During,
the
period
of
time
between
2018
and
this
new
Amendment
to
the
code
that
you
all
approved
last
week.
Basically,
we
explained
a
couple
of
things.
AE
One
is
that
settlement
agreements
per
se,
that
being
a
two-party
agreement
executed
by
the
city
and
the
party
who
sued
the
city
are
extremely
rare
I'm
only
aware
of
one
such
agreement
since
I've
been
here
for
three
plus
years
now,
typically,
when
a
case
is
settled,
the
party
that
sues
the
city
signs
a
release
only
signed
by
them
not
by
the
city
and
the
city,
gives
them
a
check
and
that's
the
agreement.
There's
there's
no
again
two-party
agreement,
so
you
know
so
part
of
the
question
is
you
know?
AE
B
J
I
appreciate
you
all
looking
through
this.
You
know:
I
I
was
very
concerned
about
this.
I
saw
a
council
outside
from
my
own
attorneys,
which
I
paid
for,
and
their
advice
was
that
I
bring
this
question
forward,
so
that
I
at
least
felt
like
I,
was
doing
my
due
my
due
diligence
in
in
in
bringing
this
forward
and
making
sure
that
I
had
done
everything
I
could
sorry
to
protect
the
citizens
of
the
city
and
regardless
of
whatever
advice,
I
got
from
them.
J
J
AE
Another
question
about
being
able
to
look
at
settlement
agreements
or
releases
or
records
regarding
settlements
and,
as
I
said
in
the
memorandum,
certainly
upon
reasonable
requests.
You
know,
obviously
it
takes
time
to
pull
documents
together
and
things
like
that,
but
we
are
not.
You
and
I
have
discussed
this.
We
are
happy
to
make
those
documents
available.
Should
Council
want
to
sit
down
with
us
and
review
a
particular
time
period,
a
particular
case.
You
know
whatever
those
are.
You
know
we're
happy
to
do
that.
Okay,.
J
Yeah
and
you
all
had
separately
approved
a
motion
to
to
ask
staff
to
allow
me
to
look
at
these,
and
we
were
officers
of
the
city.
So
should
we
should
be
able
to
look
at
them?
I
talked
to
him
as
zelman.
She
said
no
problem
and
we're
scheduling
a
time
I've,
given
her
a
more
narrow
scope
of
what
I'd
like
to
look
at
and
I've
offered
to
go
to
her
office,
so
I'm
not
copying
any
documents
or
carrying
them
outside
of
her
office,
so
that
we
don't
create
any
legal
liability
for
the
city.
AE
C
Good
evening
city,
council,
Martin
Shelby
city
council
attorney
here
on
item
number
16
to
appear
and
report
on
my
advice
regarding
creating
an
ordinance
to
protect
elected
officials
suit
under
chapter
119..
Council
I'd
like
to
be
brief,
but
I
would
like
to
create
the
setting
for
the
context
of
this
discussion.
I'd
like
to
to
read
a
quote
from
one
of
the
cases
that
addresses
this
sort
of
issue.
It's
called
Thornburg
versus
City
of
Fort,
Walton
Beach
and
it's
a
Florida
Supreme
Court
case
from
1990.
I'm,
going
to
leave
out
the
citations
in
there.
C
This
entitlement
to
attorney's
fees
arises:
independent
of
Statute
ordinance
or
Charter
for
public
officials
to
be
entitled
to
representation
at
public
expense.
The
litigation
must
one
arise
out
of
or
in
connection
with,
the
performance
of
their
official
duties
and
two
serve
a
public
purpose
and
one
of
the
cases
they
actually
cite
is
a
city
of
Tampa
case
of
Chavez
versus
City
of
Tampa.
The
second
DCA
from
1990
and
sometime
I
had
heard
council
member
Miranda
talk
about
that
case.
C
And
there
are
instances
that
the
jurisdictions
throughout
the
state
of
the
municipalities
and
Counties
have
formalized
these
and
have
addressed
certain
questions
that
your
ordinance,
that
I
am
very
happy
to
help
craft
and
bring
back
to
city
council
and
certainly
working
with
the
city
attorney
and
Ms.
Zellman
and
I
have
discussed
this
and
I'm
I'm
happy
to
do
that.
One
of
the
things
and
the
most
important
thing,
I
think,
would
be
a
declaration
of
policy
the
criteria
and
we
can
also
work
on
things
like
the
definition
like
what
constitutes
substantially
prevail.
C
When
does
it
apply
now,
one
of
the
things
that
I'd
like
to
I
I
initially
had
some
reservations
about
whether
or
not
this
had
a
I
had
a
a
bar
conflict
with
this
because
of
positions
that
I
I
have
been
in
in
the
past.
But
frankly,
I
I
had
a
realization.
After
talking
with
several
lawyers
Council
that
I
have
a
unique
perspective
right
now.
C
After
seeing
what
this
Council
has
gone
through
within
the
past
year
and
I
have
had
a
unique
insight
and
perspective,
both
being
familiar
with
the
facts
that
evolved
to
bring
this
discussion
forth.
Also
the
effect
on
the
city
council,
the
effect
on
your
ability
to
diligently
Serve,
the
People
and
I
think
what
this
city
council
has
to
avoid
is
a
chilling
effect
that
has
an
impact
on
your
ability
to
fully
represent
your
constituents.
C
Do
it
in
the
form
of
reimbursement,
and
traditionally
the
city
of
Tampa
has
done
it
that
way
too,
and,
for
instance,
in
the
concept
of
attorney's
fees
for
a
public
records,
lawsuit
zeroing
in
on
that
particular
case
of
a
violation
or
an
alleged
violation
of
chapter
119,
the
Florida
Statutes,
the
ordinance
addresses
attorney's
fees
in
certain
matters.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
a
a
relatively
recent
amendment
in
2017
allows
that
the
court
shall
determine
whether
the
complainant
participated
in
a
civil
action
for
improper
purpose.
That
requires
a
court
hearing
that
requires
perhaps
Discovery
a
process.
C
That's
very
costly,
potentially
to
somebody
who's
defending
themselves.
And
the
question
then,
is
there
are
some
jurisdictions,
particularly
in
in
Broward,
County
and
elsewhere
throughout
the
state,
where
there
is
a
provision
that
allows
they
person
who
is
being
a
defendant,
let's
say
being
made
a
defendant
or
being
even
in
an
Ethics
proceeding
who
has
a
a
complaint
filed
against
them?
So
this
would
not
only
apply
in
litigation.
C
It
would
apply
in
in
any
sort
of
preceding
related
to
again
the
process
of
arising
out
of
or
in
connection
with,
the
performance
of
official
duties
and
serving
a
public
purpose.
Of
course,
that
would
have
to
be
defined
within
the
ordinance.
But
here's
my
point.
My
point
is
this:
if
it
is
City
council's
desire
to
have
a
process
where
someone
who
needs
legal
services
and
needs
legal
representation
applies
or
brings
notice
to
the
city
to
ask
to
be
represented
up
front,
then
that
would
have
to
be
a
process.
C
At
the
end
of
the
process,
if
it
doesn't
meet
the
criteria
for
arising
out
of
in
connection
with
a
performance
of
the
official
duties
and
what
usually
is
the
dispositive
issue
of
whether
the
conduct
serves
a
public
purpose,
other
jurisdictions
have
it
so
within
that
ordinance,
the
elected
official
ultimately
is
liable
to
the
city
to
reimburse
the
city
for
those
expenses
and
authorizes,
if
necessary,
a
suit
against
the
elected
official.
In
order
to
recover
that
to
which,
under
the
law,
they
would
not
have
been
entitled.
C
The
advantage
to
it.
To
somebody
who
needs
that
help
up
front
is
it
doesn't
require
an
outlay
of
money
of
the
elected
official
in
the
process
of
going
through
the
proceeding,
whether
it's
litigation
or
a
complaint,
to
be
able
to
move
forward
towards
a
conclusion
that
would
ultimately
show
that
they
are
entitled
to
Legal
expenses
to
be
paid
to
them
as
an
elected
official
by
the
city
of
Tampa.
C
So
that
being
said,
what
I
would
ask
you
to
do
is
to
give
me
an
opportunity
to
come
back
with
some
language
based
on
my
research
with
those
jurisdictions
working
with
the
city
attorney
and
put
it
in
a
form
that
actually
is
something
that
you
can
actually
look
at,
but
what
I
would
like
is
some
direction
at
this
point.
Excuse
me,
my
mouth
is
so
dry
lately
today.
J
J
As,
as
you
all
know,
a
year
ago,
someone
claimed
that
I
was
part
of
a
fake
Facebook
page,
and
it
was
defamatory
toward
me
because
in
my
industry
it's
unethical
to
create
a
fake
Facebook
page
I
had
nothing
to
do
with
it.
I
stated
over
and
over
again,
I
had
nothing
to
do
with
it,
but
still
I
spent
just
on
that
matter.
Five
or
ten
thousand
dollars
in
legal
fees
and
search
fees,
because
they
wanted
to
search
my
phone
and
other
things
and
ultimately
they
didn't
find
anything.
J
And
so
then,
when
I
talked
to
Ms
ellman,
the
other
day,
the
question
is:
is
you
know?
Was
that
because
I
was
on
city
council?
It
is
because
I
was
on
city
council,
because
there's
no
other
reason
why
anybody
would
ever
subpoena
me
for
information
related.
Something
I
had
nothing
to
do
with,
and
they
later
proved.
It
was
someone
else
and
they're
suing
that
person,
but
it
it
it's
not
just
that
somebody
might
get
sued
and
it
might
not
just
be
public
records.
I
mean
in
that
case
somebody
for
had
a
conspiracy
theory.
J
J
I
was
appalled
in
the
dingfeller
case
that
that
the
city
did
not
did
not
put
up
legal
fees,
I,
don't
know
in
Good's
case
they
should
have
if
they
didn't
and
shame
on
them
and
if
they
haven't,
they
should
pay
right
away.
But
the
the
situation
is
that
you
know
fifty
or
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
people
who
are
making
fifty
three
thousand
dollars
a
year
could
break
somebody
easily
and
it's
it's.
J
It's
not
a
good
idea
for
the
reasons
you
stated
to
leave
an
elected
official
out
like
that,
and
you
know
somebody
happens
to
be
on
the
political
side
where,
where
their
opponents
are
getting
hit,
it
might
be
fun.
But
if
you're
on
the
other
side,
then
it's
not
fun
and
you
never
know
who
might
have
the
power
to
do
something
like
that.
So
here's
what
I
suggest
that
I
think
I
think
we
need
to
think
of
Creative
Solutions.
J
The
city
is
self-funded
on
this
liability
insurance,
but
it
but
for
the
first
250,
000
or
500
I,
don't
know
which
the
first
500
000
were
self-funded,
which
means
that
it's
at
the
discretion
of
the
City
attorney
we
need
to
in
the
ordinance
to
describe
that.
It's
that
it's
not
that
it
and
and
so
that,
for
political
reasons,
somebody
can't
easily
reject
it,
but
here's
another
solution
that
I
think
we
need
I
think
think
we
ought
to
create
a
a
self-insurance
fund.
J
It
could
be
funded
by
the
salaries
of
city
council
members,
but
we
could
get
a
an
insurance
company
just
like
we
do
with
United
on
health
care.
We
could
get
insurance
company
to
define
a
plan
that
we
would
we
would
create
ourselves
and
it
would
hold.
It
would
eventually
hold
a
fifty
thousand
dollar
trust
for
each
city.
Council
member
include
the
mayor
that
as
well,
but
for
each
city
council
member
that
would
be
350
000.
J
It
could
be
that
the
city
would
loan
that
money
to
that
trust
at
first
and
then
we
could
make
payments
monthly
from
our
salary
City
salaries
into
that
into
that
fund,
and
if,
if
folks
are
mainly
surviving
on
the
the
53
000,
we
could
give
a
small
raise
just
to
be
able
to
pay
that
per
internal
premium.
But
the
idea
is
that,
if
the
law,
if,
if
there
could
be
interpretations
of
law
like
we
see
in
the
past,
where
and
a
City
attorney,
may
say,
oh
well,
you
might
be
guilty.
J
So
we're
not
going
to
reimburse
you
you
might
be
guilty.
So
we're
not
going
to
pay
you
in
a
van
chance.
Then
we
set
up
a
self-insurance
fund.
That's
not
subject
to
those
rules,
that's
subject
to
whatever
rules
we
set
and,
and
so
anybody
who
would
seek
to
file
a
frivolous
lawsuit
would
know
that
that
city,
council
members
and
maybe
the
mayor
she
wants
to
participate,
would
have
up
to
fifty
thousand
dollars.
J
No
questions
asked
for
any
legal
fees
and
it's
not
subject
to
those
other
laws
because
we're
paying
for
it
ourselves
out
of
our
self-insurance
fund
I.
Think
there's
got
to
be
some
creative
idea
this
way,
because
we've
got
to
protect
everybody.
There's
nobody
here,
I
think
who
could
afford
to
just
pay
50
or
100
000
in
legal
fees
and
hope
the
city
would
defend
them
at
some
point,
we've
got
to
protect
everybody.
Thank
you.
C
If
I
can
follow
up
on
that,
you
raise
a
very
interesting
and
a
good
point.
First
of
all,
that
is
about
I'm,
not
aware
of
any
self-insurance
fund
or
self-funded
in
in
the
ordinances
that
I
found.
For
instance,
you
know
in
in
the
city
of
Naples
the
city
of
Naples
says
it
is
the
policy
of
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
Naples
Florida,
to
establish
a
risk
fund
to
pay
attorneys
fees
and
costs
in
defending
complaints
against
City
officials.
D
G
J
It
wouldn't
be
subject
to
the
rule
because
we
would
be
paying
charge
us,
whatever
it
costs
per
month
over
time
to
build
that
back.
I
think
we
could
talk
to
Actuarial
people
or
whatever
and
set
that
up,
but
separate
from
that.
We
need
an
ordinance
that
would
pay
the
fees
anyway,
but
in
case
a
City
attorney
in
the
future
is
ordered
by
a
mayor
not
to
reimburse
those
fees
so
that
a
city
council
council
member
has
to
resign.
Then
we
need
to.
J
C
And
again,
my
other
point
that
I
wanted
to
make
is
that,
having
that
sort
of
policy
position
clearly
stated
clearly
out,
there
lets
the
public
know
that
the
city
has
the
back
of
the
elected
officials
in
order
to
do
your
job
and
could
in
fact,
perhaps
dissuade
somebody
from
filing
that
sort
of
lawsuit.
That
would
be
ultimately
deemed
to
be
frivolous.
J
But
you
know
I
I
put
out
15
or
20
000
25
000
over
the
last
year
and
I
haven't
seen
any
of
it
back
yet
and
that's
that's
half
the
city
council
pay
and
so
we've
we've
gotta
I
think
we
need
a
a
a
policy
that
we
self-fund
or
whatever.
It
is
to
make
sure
that
we
have
100
have
access
to
it.
Even
if
the
person
is
guilty
they
should
have
access
because
they're
paying
into
that
fund.
B
F
I,
not
a
disagreement
or
an
agreement.
I
don't
know
the
city
has
the
right
to
loan
money,
a
little,
not
a
political
question,
but
a
question
I
can
know
one
thing:
some
years
back,
I
asked
a
question
about:
why
do
you
have
to
go
to
to
bond
people
up
in
Washington
or
New
York
or
whatever,
to
get
money
from
there?
How
come
you
can't
get
it
from
your
local
taxpayers?
And
they
said
you
couldn't
borrow
from
the
local
taxpayers
money.
So
I
was
told
that
and
to
save
money.
I
said
in
time.
F
C
Well,
this,
wouldn't
this
wouldn't
ultimately
be
a
borrowing.
It
would
be
the
city
committing
to
fund
it
subject
to
it,
you
successfully
or
substantially
prevailing
and
failing
to
do
that
that
then
you
could
be
liable
or
not
you
personally,
but
whoever
is
takes
advantage
of
that
would
ultimately
be
responsible
for
reimbursement
to
the
city.
AE
The
only
thing
I
wanted
to
clarify
for
the
record
is
the
city.
Attorney's
office
did
not
start
in
in
Prior
cases
since
I've
been
here,
we
didn't
start
from
the
assumption
that
the
council
members
were
guilty.
What
we
did
in
each
of
the
cases
that
have
happened
in
the
last
couple
years
was
apply.
The
test
that
Marty
referred
to
was
the
cause
of
action.
AE
C
And
and
Ms
zelman
is
Right,
many
municipalities
and
and
counties
do
use
the
process
for
applying
for
reimbursement.
After
the
expenditure
funds,
I
I
look
at,
let's
say,
for
instance,
Broward
County
or
Fort
Lauderdale,
for
instance,
what
they
do
is
they
allow
the
council
members
to
request
the
money
up
front
and
the
the
jurisdiction
then
pays
it
subject
to
again
meeting
the
criteria
that
the
law
requires
because
expenditure?
C
Ultimately,
the
expenditure
of
public
funds
must
be
for
a
public
purpose
and
if
it
is
not
for
a
public
purpose,
it
is
an
improper
expenditure
of
funds
that
must
be
recouped
and
that's
the
bottom
line.
The
law
will
apply,
irrespective
of
whether
you
do
reimbursement
or
whether
you
do
the
money
up
front.
It's
the
ultimate
fiduciary
responsibility
that
the
city
has
to
spend
the
taxpayers
dollars.
E
J
Yeah,
the
other
thing
I
want
to
say
we
can
talk
about
this
offline
I.
Think
each
of
us
could
give
some
input
in
this.
Don't
forget.
If
we
had
this
separate
fund
and
we're
funding
it,
then
those
two
things
can
work
in
parallel
and
and-
and
we
can
work
on
that-
but
but
one
other
thing
that
I
that
I
need
to
mention.
J
Councilmember
Vieira
is
an
attorney
I
assume
that
he
has
attorney-client
privilege
on
some
of
the
projects
that
he
works
on
I
have
a
PR
firm
that
works
on
primarily
works
on
litigation
matters,
and
we
have
attorney-client
privilege
on
those
litigation
matters.
I
use
my
city
phone
as
instructed
in
anybody
who
accidentally
calls
me
on
the
other.
J
One
I
tell
them
to
call
me
on
my
city
phone,
but
we
have
had
many
cases
recently
where
they've
asked
to
search
our
our
personal
phones
and
not
only
search
them
and
not
only
look
at
messages
on
their
personal
phones,
but
also
search
them
for
metadata.
That's
a
very
expensive
process.
If
your
phone
is
protected
under
returning
client
privilege,
if
I
handed
my
phone
or
I'm
sure,
if
you
did
handed
your
phone
to
the
city
attorney's
office,
we
would
get
sued
in
Oblivion,
he
probably
would
lose
his
law
license.
J
We
can't
do
that,
and
so
there
has
to
be
an
understanding
in
this.
These
rules
also
that
that
that
that
there
are
certain
guidelines
and
rules
that
affect
people
asking
about
personal
items
and
personal
I.
We
I
provided
all
the
information
I
paid
up
front
thousands
of
dollars
to
have
my
phone
search
to
provide
them
everything
they
wanted
in
a
timely
way,
but
still
I'm
sitting
out
that,
and
so
we
need
to.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
that's
covered
in
the
thing
yeah.
AE
Can
I
just
speak
to
that,
because
this
question
keeps
coming
up
time
and
time
again
it
even
came
up
from
one
of
the
attorneys
in
my
office
yesterday,
there's
no
law
that
says
you
can't
conduct
City
business
on
a
private
cell
phone.
However,
however,
it's
bad
practice
for
the
following
reason:
if
you
are
conducting
private
City
business
on
a
private
cell
phone
or
on
a
private
email,
that
is
a
public
record,
because
you
were
conducting
City
business
under
the
public
records
act.
AE
The
city
has
the
obligation
to
make
a
good
faith
effort
to
obtain
those
records.
Well,
first
of
all
we
have
to
remember
the
public
records
act
isn't
only
about
producing
records.
It
also
requires
you
to
maintain
the
public
records
which,
again,
if
you're
doing
things
on
a
private
phone
or
a
private
email
that
makes
it
that
much
harder.
AE
J
B
C
B
C
B
F
H
N
B
B
G
G
B
G
H
P
You're
giving
so
good
as
to
explain
the
substitute.
Absolutely
yes,
thank
you,
Ron
Wheaton
legal
department.
Thank
you
Council,
so
that
the
ordinance
that
was
just
handed
out
is
a
substitute
ordinance.
I
apologize
for
not
getting
this
out
to
you
earlier.
We
have
been
diligently
working
on
reaching
an
agreement
with
regards
to
easement
language
and,
for
instance,
just
yesterday,
I
found
out
that
Tico
did
not
require
an
easement
and
then
this
afternoon,
I
just
found
out
that
they
do
require
a
partial
easement.
So
this
is
still
not
complete.
P
I
expect
to
modify
it
or
amend
it
between
first
and
second
reading,
but
for
now
the
difference
between
this
new
ordinance
and
the
original
that
was
filed.
Basically,
what
we
did
is
we
added
a
water
easement.
We
did
remove
the
tico
easement,
but
we
need
to
reinsert
that
back.
We
modify
the
transportation
language
now
that
provides
for
pedestrian
bicycle
and
smart
Mobility.
P
It
also
provides
for
vehicular
traffic
with
regards
to
emergency
responders
and
solid
waste
vehicles,
and
it
also
provides
for
a
temporary
General
vehicular
Transportation
easement
once
upon
mobility's
determination
that
they
need
it
for
rerouting
traffic
in
the
area
and
also
provides
for
once
the
area
around
it
adjoining
the
vacated
areas
get
developed.
Then
there
will
be
a
traffic
study
that
will
determine
whether
there
are
additional
easements
that
are
needed
for
general
public
transportation.
AF
AF
Proposed
vacating
request
is
to
vacate
portions
of
Market
Street
and
7th
Avenue
lying
north
of
Hillsborough
River
South
of
Oak
Avenue
East
of
Sandra
Heights,
Lane
and
west
of
Ola.
Avenue
application
was
filed,
October
24th,
2022
applicant
owns
property,
North
Side
into
the
east
and
west
side
of
Market
Street
north
side
of
7th
Avenue
I'm.
Sorry,
the
reason
for
the
application
is
to
change
one
block
of
Market
Street
and
one
block
of
7th
Avenue
into
pedestrian.
Only
privately
maintained
Street
segments.
AF
The
existing
streets
are
approximately
52
000
98
square
feet
to
approximately
1.196
acres
and
these
streets
were
created
by
subdivision
plaque,
an
aerial
view
of
the
proposed
vacating,
here's
seventh
and
Market
Street
here
and
the
applicant's
property.
Obviously
the
heights
subdivision
there
again
the
the
street,
here's
seventh
from
from
Sandra
Heights
to
this
privately
owned
segment
of
7th
Avenue
and
from
Oak
down
to
seven
on
Market
Street.
AF
AF
AF
AF
M
M
So
rewinding
a
little
bit
I'll
give
a
really
quick
presentation.
As
most
of
you
know,
2015
we
started
permitting
renovation
of
the
historic
building
that
we
all
knew.
It's
the
Armature
Works
Factory
into
a
new
mixed-use
facility
renovation
of
the
three
brownfields
that
made
up
the
large
vacant
field
to
the
west
of
the
of
the
building.
M
M
M
M
So
you
know,
of
course,
we're
proud
to
report
that
the
phase
one
of
our
office
has
is
occupied
by
Pfizer
World
support
center
oxygen
biomedical
tissue
company,
either
traded
on
the
NASDAQ,
of
course,
Pfizer
Fortune,
50,
Pharma,
ambulance,
insurance
and
white
and
case
a
Silk
Stocking,
Law
Firm
out
of
New
York
and
some
other
really
good
tenants,
new
high-paying
jobs
to
Tampa.
That
I
think
support
the
idea
that
we've
moved
Beyond.
M
This
constant
desire
to
be
America's,
Next,
Great
City
and
just
be
happy
that
we're
Tampa.
So
what
we,
when
I,
did
the
original
business
plan
for
Armature
Works
I
think
we
were
really
hoping
that
we
would
have
average.
You
know
800
to
a
thousand
visitors
a
day.
I
have
to
report
that
that's
closer
to
four
thousand.
So
this
is
what
I
passed
out
to
you.
As
a
a
summary
of
the
you
know:
Community
engagement
events
that
we
fund
as
part
of
the
orange
Works
program.
M
M
M
You
know
the
we're
in
agreement
with
the
walk-on
ordinance,
that's
been
presented
today,
and
we
also
understand
that
between
now
and
second
reading
that
there
will
be
some
language
added
to
give
Tico
a
partial
easement
over
the
street
lighting
system
that
we've
installed.
So
with
that
said,
I
know
it's
late
and
I'm
here
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
have
any.
M
Throw
in
that
I
met,
we
had
a
meeting
in
mid-December
with
both
neighborhoods.
We
sent
out
certified
letters,
even
though
it's
not
a
requirement
of
this
process
and
met
with
Ridgewood
in
Tampa
Heights
civic
association
about
40
people
attended
the
meeting
we
held
it
in
Armature,
Works
and
discussed
this
and
other
topics
so
do.
B
H
Thank
you
very
much.
I
have
a
substitute
ordinance
here
within
the
city
of
Tampa
Florida
vacating,
closing,
just
continuing
and
abandoning
a
portion
of
7th
Avenue
right-of-way
and
a
portion
of
Market
Street
right
of
way
located
north
of
Hillsborough
River
South
of
Palm
Avenue
East
of
Sandra,
Heights,
Lane
and
west
of
Ola
Avenue.
B
G
G
A
AF
AF
AF
AF
AF
AF
Obviously,
staff
have
no
objections.
Is
this
vacating
request
if
the
vacating
is
approved
by
city
council,
easement
reservations
are
required
for
waste
water,
storm
water,
water,
Tico,
Frontier
and
Spectrum.
Natural
resources
must
comply
with
chapter
27
regard
tree
preservation,
site
design
for
any
improvements
placed
adjacency
trees
in
a
vacated
area.
That's
all
I
have.
If
you
have
any
questions
any.
B
H
A
B
A
H
B
B
AH
AH
This
city
has
been
a
red
light
district
long
enough,
and
my
heart
cry
today
is
please
God
have
mercy
on
this
city
and
on
this
city
council
for
not
shutting
down
these
illicit,
massage
parlors
along
Kennedy
Boulevard,
and
how
about
these
strip
clubs
along
Dale
Mabry,
who
served
our
nation
Dale
Mabry
Highway
you're
familiar.
It
has
two
very
large
strip,
clubs,
one
on
the
left,
2001
Odyssey,
one
on
the
right,
Mons
Venus,
not
my
profession,
I'll
tell
you
who
my
hero
is
Governor,
Ron
DeSantis
and
his
wife.
First
lady
Casey
DeSantis
is
my
time
up.
AH
AH
B
AH
So
you
talked
about
multiple
ways
of
controlling
something,
whether
it
be
legal
penalties,
ordinances.
All
of
these
things
and
I
believe
you
can
just
look
up
all
the
records
from
Joseph
Manson,
all
of
the
illicit
massage
parlors
that
he
already
reported
to
you
or
News
Channel
8's.
You
know
report
on
all
of
that:
I'm,
not
a
private,
investigator
I'm.
Just
a
concerned
citizen
because
I
love,
this
city
I,
want
to
see
it
cleaned
up,
and
if
we
can
clean
up
Tampa,
we
can
clean
up
Orlando.
We
can
clean
up
Miami.
B
F
Good
for
a
combination
for
Debbie
and
Springer
hiring
from
the
Tampa
Housing
Authority
after
being
there
32
years
at
a
future
date,
but
I
just
want
to
bring
it
up
that
we're
going
to
get
all
the
information
before
we
bring
her
in
yeah
very
nice,
lady
she's
been
there
for
32
years.
The
Tampa
Housing
Authority,
helping
people.
E
I
have
a
request
from
housing
department
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
for
the
to
move.
The
following
report
from
the
workshop
on
January
26
2023
to
February,
2nd
2023
at
9
A.M
under
staff
reports,
the
administration
to
provide
a
quarterly
budget
around
the
housing
buckets
or
a
quarterly
report
around
the
housing,
buckets
for
homeless,
Services,
rental
assistance,
homeownership
and
acquisition
and
rehab.
That
includes
columns
for
funds
allocated
expended
encumbered
and
available.
B
E
E
E
Motion
reviewing
the
one-year
residency
waiver
for
department
heads
to
include
a
list
of
who
is
currently
on
the
waiver
list,
a
definition
of
a
department
head
versus
a
versus
a
manager,
and
please
include
data
regarding
how
often
this
has
been
used
in
the
last
five
years
for
to
come
back.
February
23rd
2023
with
the
safety
Improvement.
F
B
H
Councilman
Maniscalco.
Thank
you
very
much,
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
that
we
present
a
commendation
on
February
7th.
That's
our
presentation
session
to
13
ugly
men.
That
is
the
name
of
the
organization
and
and
the
reason
is
that
they
have
contributed
through
a
variety
of
events,
a
variety
of
charitable
fundraisers,
three
million
dollars
give
or
take
to
the
community.
H
If
you
go
to
Tampa
General
Hospital,
there's
a
like
a
children's
park
playground,
they
helped
raise
the
money
for
that
I
can
go
on
and
on
and
on
I
see
what
they
do
in
the
community,
very
good
charitable
organization.
Don't
let
the
name
fool
you,
but
I'd
like
to
present
them
with
a
combination
on
Commendation
on
February
7th
at
our
presentation
session.
B
N
I
have
a
favor
to
ask
I
I
had
Connor
darken,
who
you
all
remember,
was
assisting
in
my
office
for
two
years,
such
a
great
guy
and
on
February
7th
I.
Think
it
was
that
our
Commendation
session
I
was
going
to
have
him
come
and
unfortunately,
I
have
a
conflict
that
day
so
I
can't.
Is
there
any
way
because
I
know
we
usually
don't
have
accommodations?
This
is
going
to
take
five
minutes
and
meet
so
much
to
to
Connor
and
his
family
to
have
it
on
February
16th.
N
N
H
N
And,
very
briefly,
if
I
may
always
talking
with
the
office
of
congresswoman
Kathy
Castor
on
this
an
initiative
that's
happening.
This
is
a
motion
to
have
staff
report
back
to
us
on
February
16th,
on
application
for
a
program
that
the
federal
government
is
doing.
They
can
actually
ease
the
burden
here
in
the
city
of
Tampa
long
story
short.
The
federal
government
is
expanding
the
parole
process
for
Venus
from
Venezuelans
to
nicaraguans,
Haitians
and
Cubans.
N
That
is
the
Biden
Administration
announced
up
to
30
000
people
from
this
country
who
are
who
are
have
an
eligible
sponsor
in
past,
vigorous
vetting
and
background
checks
can
come
to
the
United
States
for
two
years
and
receive
work,
authorization
and
they're,
also
expanding
Latin,
American
refugees.
Of
course.
Those
who
cross
the
border
illegally
are
precluded
from
this
and
there's
always
a
a
vetting
process,
etc,
etc.
The
the
federal
government
is
authorizing
800
million
dollars
to
go
to
the
emergency
food
and
shelter
program
from
FEMA
for
grants
for
local
communities.
N
It's
interesting
because
a
lot
of
counties
have
gotten
these
grants
in
past
years,
but
cities
in
Florida
apparently
haven't
Hillsborough.
County
got
about
half
a
million
Pinellas
County
got
about
370
000
of
the
State
of
Florida
got
a
certain
amount
of
money
and
it
appears
that
Tampa
hasn't
gotten.
This
funding
I
would
suggest
that
we
inquire
on
this
for
two
reasons:
number
one,
because
there
is
going
to
be
a
big
influx
in
in
Florida
on
this
issue.
N
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
good
fiscal
stewards,
but
number
two
I
think
it's
also
very
consistent
with
Tampa's
values
whenever
it
comes
to
issues
such
as
refugees.
As
we
have
many
many
refugees
here
in
our
city,
this
would
pay
for
housing,
food,
shelter,
covet
testing
and
other
Supportive
Services
and
I
got
the
second.
There
you
go.
We
have
a
motion,
February
16th,
if
I
may.
E
Jackson
I'm
very
sorry,
but
Mr
Shelby.
Let
me
know
that
there
reminded
me
that
there
is
actually
a
report
on
February
16th
about
the
current
status
of
CD
departments,
heads
compliance
with
the
charter,
so
that
that
one,
the
second
my
the
middle
one
on
that
page,
if
you
could
change
that
from
the
23rd
to
the
16th,
is
that
if
that's
okay.