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From YouTube: TCC 8/31/23 PT. 2
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Tampa City Council
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Thank
you,
city,
council,
Brad,
Baird,
Deputy,
Administrator
of
infrastructure.
Here
to
talk
about
the
six
pilot.
The
Howard
have
current
Advanced
wastewater
treatment
plant.
We
are
very
excited
to
give
this
presentation.
I
know
some
of
you
are
as
well.
If
not
all
of
you,
we,
we
do
have
a
couple
subject
matter:
experts
online
if
we.
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G
Oh
all,
right,
so
to
start,
let's
remind
ourselves
why
we
even
are
looking
at
six.
So
there
are
two
main
reasons.
The
first
is
we're
looking
at
a
novel
technology
to
reduce
the
amount
of
nutrients
being
discharged
to
the
bay,
and
we
have
some
preliminary
results
on
that.
That
will
show
towards
the
end
of
the
presentation
and
then
second
is
having
another
tool
in
the
city
of
Tampa's
toolbox.
As
we
all
know,
the
future
of
water
right
now
in
Tampa
is
both
interesting
and
complicated
and
the
more
tools
we
have
available
to
us.
G
The
better
I,
want
to
remind
everybody
that
this
pilot
is
happening
at
no
cost
of
the
city,
it's
being
fully
funded
by
two
separate
grants
on
the
fdp
grant
that
was
awarded
to
the
city
of
Tampa
and
then
being
supplemented
by
a
Bureau
of
Reclamation
grant.
That
parolo
has
provided
so
I'll
start
by
giving
some
high
level
background
on
how
this
technology
works,
so
we're
pulling
the
water
from
the
Howard
current
effluent
right
before
it's
disinfected.
G
So
it's
almost
a
final
F1,
but
before
disinfection
at
30
gallons
per
minute
is
coming
into
the
pilot
plant
at
the
pilot
plant.
We
have
basically
this
big
tank
or
contactor
full
of
these
little
orange
beads
resin
beads
and
these
beads
are
each
surrounded
by
these
chloride,
ions
and
in
a
very
simple
way.
What's
happening
is
you're
exchanging
these
chloride
ions
for
contaminants?
Pfas
might
be
one
of
them
and
also
nutrients.
So
then
those
things
are
sticking
to
those
beads
and
we're
pulling
them
from
the
water
and
cleaning
it.
G
Now
you
might
be
asking
you
know
what
happens
to
those
resin
beads.
Do
we
lose
them?
We
don't.
We
actually
can
clean
them
or
regenerate
them.
So
after
they're
in
the
contact
for
the
while
and
they
get
all
gunked
up
with
contaminants
and
nutrients,
we
send
them
to
a
cleaning
or
regeneration
vessel,
and
that's
how
we
establish
our
three
phases
of
this
project.
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Phase
two
is
similar
except
we're
doing
this
with
sea
water
concentrate
and
this
one's
really
interesting
and
was
originally
actually
supposed
to
be
water.
Trucked
over
from
the
Tampa
Bay
Water
diesel
plant,
we
were
going
to
use
their
concentrate,
but
we
weren't
able
to
do
that
because
they're
having
some
mechanical
issues,
so
the
plant's
not
running
at
this
time,
so
instead
we're
generating
this
synthetic
sea
water.
That's
going
to
approximate
how
that
would
work,
and
this
is
going
to
be
really
interesting,
because
it
could
provide
an
opportunity
for
o
m
savings.
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We
don't
have
to
purchase
salt
for
that
regeneration.
It
will
also
allow
for
some.
You
know
collaboration
between
us
and
Tampa
Bay
water
and
reduce
their
discharge
to
the
Bay
and
then.
Finally,
the
last
phase
is
a
bicarbonate
regeneration
phase.
So,
instead
of
chloride
ions
you
have
bicarbonate
ions
that
are
sticking
to
those
resin
beads
in
doing
that
exchanging
or
cleaning
of
the
water.
This
process
also
has
a
softening
component
with
it,
so
that
will
reduce
the
total
dissolved
solids
in
the
water
as
well
and
we'll
dive
into
our
pilot
schedule.
G
So,
if
you
remember
back
in
may,
we
had
promised
that
we
would
be
finishing
the
pilot
and
around
the
end
of
October,
with
a
final
report
expected
in
December
and
a
presentation
of
information
by
around
January.
You
may
be
aware
that
we
did
have
some
startup
delays.
This
is
primarily
because
the
pilot
sat
for
a
while,
so
we
had
some
equipment
issues
that
needed
to
be
resolved.
G
So
where
are
we
right
now?
July
28th
was
the
end
of
the
startup
and
the
start
of
the
pilot
testing
phase.
One
was
completed
in
the
first
four
weeks
with
that
salt
testing.
We
are
just
at
the
beginning
of
the
sea.
Water
concentrate
testing,
so
we
do
have
some
preliminary
results.
So
this
is
only
one
data
point
and
it's
from
the
beginning
of
that.
First
phase.
It
takes
a
while
to
get
the
results
once
we
send
them
to
the
lab,
so
we
will
have
more
data
available
as
time
goes
on.
G
Of
course,
what
we're
seeing
is
six
works
really
well
to
remove
color
and
constituents
from
the
Wastewater,
so
all
the
way
on
the
left
there,
that
is,
the
water
coming
into
the
plant.
So
that's
that
F1
from
Howard
Curran
that
has
not
yet
been
disinfected
and
you
can
see
how
much
color
we're
removing
it's
about.
80,
color
removal
and
all
the
way
on
the
right
is
the
brine
waste,
that's
what
we're
taking
out
of
the
water,
and
this
represents
less
than
one
percent
of
the
flow.
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So
it's
a
much
smaller
flow
now
the
fun
stuff,
the
nutrients.
So,
on
the
on
the
y-axis,
you
have
the
concentration
and
on
the
x-axis
shows
different
types
of
nutrients.
We
have
nitrate
nitrite,
orthophosphate
and
total
phosphorus.
You
can
see
we're
getting
at
least
30
removal
of
each
of
these
35
for
nitrate
and
up
to
57
of
total
phosphorus
again.
This
is
one
data
point,
and
what
this
extrapolates
to
at
a
full
scale,
is
somewhere
around
200
tons
per
year
removed.
G
G
This
is
a
really
important
slide.
For
me,
information
sharing
is
going
to
be
very
important
as
we
move
forward
with
this
and
other
projects.
We
want
to
do
regular
updates
to
council,
as
many
as
you
desire,
I'll
certainly
provide
a
final
update
when
we
have
all
of
the
data
we'd
also
like
to
offer
informational
pilot
plant
tours
councilwoman
heart
attack.
I
think
you
have
one
already
on
the
schedule,
so
that
will
be
wonderful
and
if
anybody
else
is
interested,
please
do
welcome
you.
G
We
would
love
for
you
to
come
out
to
the
pilot
and
better
understand.
You
know
how
it
is
working
and,
what's
going
on
there,
we'd
also
like
to
offer
more
detailed
data,
Dives
or
background
information.
As
you'd
like
we
could
do
one-on-one
meetings,
you
can
show
up
to
other
type
of
forums:
Cafe
Con
Tampa
anywhere,
where
you'd
like
us
to
offer
information
about
the
pilot.
We're
happy
to
do
that,
so
that,
with
that
I
will
take
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
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B
B
An
hour
and
then
we
can
extrapolate
from
there
22
000
a
day,
but
so
only
22,
000
gallons.
So
that's
initially.
This
was
supposed
to
be
a
six
month
pilot
and
it
seems
like
it's
barely
going
to
be
over
three
months,
I'm
very
concerned
about
that
I.
Don't
think
we
get
enough
data
when
you,
when
you
basically
cut
the
study
in
half.
G
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B
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H
H
That
power
is
extremely
low
when
compared
to
ro,
because
you
don't
have
to
pressurize
it
like
you
do
with
our
RO
system,
but
that
at
least
give
you
some
idea
of
what
we're
talking
about
when
we
look
at
the
cost
per
million
gallons
I
believe
six
in
terms
of
the
salt
cost
was
somewhere
around.
Let
me
look
real,
quick
and
I'll
answer.
While
we're
okay.
G
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H
It's
it's
a
lot
of
pie
in
the
sky,
but
the
bicarb
is
a
much
gentler
regenerate
in
terms
of
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
it,
and
there
are
a
few
utilities
looking
at
this
type
of
process
who
can
recycle
it
back
to
their
Wastewater
Plant,
the
Wastewater
Plant
does
remove
a
lot
of
the
things
we're
talking
about
and
we
don't
know
if
we
could
recycle
it
all
and
maintain
what
we're
trying
to
do,
but
that
that's
a
potential
option.
The
other
option
is
precipitating
bicarbonate.
H
B
G
B
G
B
G
I
would
say
the
only
way
to
remove
all
of
it
would
be
to
move
it
entirely.
This
is
a
really
great
performance.
Again,
we
look
at
other
Technologies
and
see
what
their
performance
is
compared
to
that.
But
these
are,
these
are,
are
very
good
results
and
again
it's
a
equivalent
to
about
55
of
the
total
tonnage
in
a
year.
F
So
that
would
be.
We
will
know
more
when
we
give
you
updates,
because
if
this
is
only
one
data
point,
then
we
can
come
back
and
and
hone
in
on
that
and
I
would
say.
The
phosphorus
component
is
over
50.
You
know
57
so
that
that
bumps
up
the
total
amount.
So
we'll
see
you
know
if
it's
higher
than
35
percent
for
nitrate
and
30
for
nitrite,
and
then
we'll
do
the
math
and
every
time
we
give
it
an
update,
we'll
have
a
you
know:
it'll
be
a
better
number
or
more.
H
H
G
G
H
H
The
challenge
with
pfas
that
we're
trying
to
identify
is:
why
is
the
range
of
pfas
Removal
really
great,
sometimes
not
so
great
other
times,
and
we're
trying
to
work
through
that
data,
hopefully
with
the
data
we
get
from
this
we're
going
to
answer
some
of
those
questions,
because
those
are
the
questions
that
the
agencies
that
are
funding.
These
are
asking
as
well.
B
And
then
I
think
something
that
the
stakeholders
are
brought
up
for
several
years.
Is
that
this
we
should
have
then
a
very
clear
understanding
of
the
stuff
that
we
have.
You
should
have
a
very
good
Baseline
data
right
now
of
what
we
are
currently
putting
out
correct,
correct.
So
will
that
data?
When
will
all
of
that
data,
the
data
of
what
we're
currently
putting
out
the
data
of
what
is
coming
out
and
what
types
of
things
are
coming
out
so
that
data
I
assume
will
be
absolutely
all
of
it
available
to
the
public
when.
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C
G
The
the
the
January
date,
so
they
have
some
time
to
analyze
the
data.
Yes,
and
there
is
a
regular
there
are
regular
water
samples
taken
at
the
facility
as
well.
So
we
have
you
know,
years
and
years
of
data,
so
we
can
look
at
that
historically
and
then
we'll
have.
All
of
this
data
will
be
publicly
available.
Yes,
because.
B
F
F
G
F
F
B
A
I
I
just
want
to
emphasize
this
is
a
test
pilot
program,
not
not
no
decisions
on
whether
we're
going
to
move
forward
with
it
or
not
so
I
think
that's
an
important
thing
to
consider
as
we're
looking
at
this
discussion.
I'm
excited
about
it,
even
if
even
if
it
comes
up
empty,
at
least
you
know
we're
doing
our
best
to
kind
of
you
know
kind
of
create
a
process.
It's
also
my
understanding
of
having
previous
conversations
that
this
has
been
scalable
in
the
Netherlands.
I
You
know
I'm
I'm,
looking
forward
to
seeing
those
results,
I
recognize
again
that
if
it
is
it's
part
of
that
test,
I'm
really
so
reference
the
Netherlands
is.
Are
they?
Is
it
the
same
technology
that
we're
piloting
here
or
are
they
using
a
different
like
with
the
resin
beads
and
the
creating
the
brine
solution?.
H
Same
technology,
the
ondike
plant
in
in
Amsterdam
has
been
operational
since
2013
on
the
same
resin
they've,
never
replaced
it
same
same
technology,
there's
another
utility
in
the
UK
in
the
mayflower
plant,
which
is
a
little
smaller
24
MGD
and
there's
a
installation
in
Switzerland
there's
going
to
be
over
70
mg.
That's
going
in
right
now
and.
H
That
that's
why
they've
looked
at
bicarbonate
regeneration
for
the
same
reasons
that
we're
piloting
it
here
is
for
that
same
driver,
because
they
know
long
term
they've
got
to
figure
out
a
way
to
dispose
of
that
waste
better
than
just
dumping
it
back
to
the
Sewer.
So
they
see
bicarbonate
as
a
path
to
do
that
because
you
can
precipitate
it
and
remove
it.
So.
I
This
is,
is
this:
is
one
technology?
Are
there
any
other
technologies
that
other
other
countries
or
other
places
around
the
world
are
using
other
than
obviously
reverse
osmosis,
which
we're
all
aware
of
and
the
improved
membranes?
But
is
there?
Is
there
some?
Is
there
some
Cutting
Edge
technology?
That's
out
there
that
maybe
we
should
be
Forward
Thinking
and
looking
at
as
well
to
Pilot
in
the
city.
I
Don't
know
if
you
have
a
better,
you
have
a
vest
of
Interest,
sorry
yeah.
Okay,
so
you
can
bite
your
tongue.
How
about
the
people
in
front
of
me
and
anybody
else
are
aware
of
any
other
technology
out
there.
That's
that's
coming
up
as
far
as
like
Cutting
Edge
technology
that
maybe
will
be
the
next
biggest
and
greatest
thing.
G
I
Is
not
a
problem?
That's
going
away
today,
you
know
we're
not
it's
not.
This
is
not.
This
is
not
going
to
be
the
solution
for
the
problem.
You
know
it's
again,
I'm
very
hopeful
that
technology
is
evolving
at
such
a
rapid
Pace
that
if
you
know
we
just
have
to
keep
moving
forward
and
and
waiting
for
this
for
people
that
are
smarter
than
me
to
come
up
with
the
process
to
be
able
to
remove
these
things,
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
like
I
said
we're
being
good
stewards,
but
thank
you,
I'm
excited
about
it.
I
I
look
forward
to
touring
the
plant
I'm,
looking
on
it,
I'm
going
to
do
some
of
my
own
due
diligence
and
look
into
what's
happening
in
the
UK
and
in
Netherlands
to
see
what
their
processes
are
like
and
and
I
appreciate
that
and
I
appreciate
the
these
stakeholders
that
have
have
come
up
and
helped
us
with
this
pilot
program
and
I
understand
that
the
state
is
also
is
through.
A
grant
has
been
our
part
of
this
as
well.
So
thank
you
for
appreciate
it.
Thank
you
for
your
contributions.
G
I
I
think
I
think
the
purification
process
of
again
because
as
I
listen
to
all
these,
even
even
like
this
I,
still
see
that
we're
still
leaving
a
lot
on
the
table.
As
far
as
you
know,
the
pollutants
and
things
that
we
introduce
in
our
water
supply
through
industry
through
household
views
through
you
know
various
ways
so
I
think
somewhere
down
the
line.
We're
going
to
have
to
do
a
better
job
of
cleaning
up
after
ourselves.
I
You
know
do:
do
we
try
to
get
a
teenager
to
do
clean
up
after
themselves
and
we
need
to
clean
up
after
ourselves,
so
I
I'm
excited
who
is
exploring
other
options
of
getting
these
things
out
of
our
water,
so
that
it
is.
It
is
safe
for
humans
and
in
the
environment
and
we're
not
just
continuing
to
you,
know,
dump
crap
out
and
expect
clean
water
in.
F
Let
us
come
back
to
you
with
our
next
update
and
include
that
in
a
presentation
you
know
what
other
Technologies
are
out
there
around
the
world
that
people
are
looking
at
and
and
what
combinations
of
Technologies
I
mean.
There's
there's
ultra
filtration.
You
know,
there's
obviously
reverse
osmosis.
There's
fixed
sign
exchange,
there's
suspended,
ion
exchange
that
uses
different
combinations
of
resins
that
can
Target
the
water
that
you
have
more
and
that's
something
that
Netherlands
are
are
working
on
as
well.
So.
F
C
I
K
By
the
way,
I
on
the
on
the
number
that
I
gave
council
member
hertek,
I
I
needed
to
double
it,
so
it
was
40
about,
like
43,
200,
I,
think
a
day,
so
I
apologize
for
that.
You
talked
about
other
cities
just
now,
and
also
the
Netherlands
it
does.
Somebody
have
a
large-scale
version
of
this
operating
that
is
hitting
High
numbers
is.
Is
there
that.
G
H
K
K
Or
if
there's
some
other,
my
concern
is
I'm
all
for
Innovation
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
stay
on.
You
know
the
Leading
Edge
of
innovation,
but
if
there's
something
that
hasn't
really
been
tested,
you
know
it
could
end
up.
It
could
end
up
costing
us
a
lot
of
money
and
there's
some
case
studies
around
here,
like
the
decal
plan
at
the
beginning,
you
know
was
it
was
built
by
private
vendors
for
Tampa
Bay
water
and
they
they
underestimated
muscles
and
other
things
that
were
they
were
put
in.
It.
K
Also,
you
know
part
of
it
was
the
issue
they're.
Having
now
is
that
Tico
has
changed
the
type
of
fuel
that
they're
using,
and
so
they
they
don't
have
the
water
source
that
they
had
before
and
so
they're
they're
trying
to
adapt
to
that,
and
so
I
I
think,
if
it's
great
to
be
on
the
Leading
Edge,
but
we
need
to
make
sure
that
that
we
can
afford
it.
Also.
K
You
know
that
people
wouldn't
say
this
anymore,
but
the
old
thing
to
say
was
you:
nobody
gets
fired
by
hiring
IBM,
you
know
like
if
you,
if
you
hire
Microsoft
or
Google,
if
you
get
Microsoft
or
Google
for
your
email
system,
probably
people
will
complain,
but
they'll
think
you
hire
you.
You
got
the
right
system,
but
if
you
get
some
system
that
hasn't
been
tested
very
much
anywhere
in
the
world,
then
you
could
open
yourself
to
a
lot
of
customization
and
problems.
K
F
Yes,
we
are
in
the
design
phase
for
six
with
the
drinking
water
plant
and
we
have
looked
at
the
business
case
there
in
terms
of
what
savings
we
would
have
was
sludge
disposal
and
chemical
reduction
of
chemical
costs
at
the
time
we
did
that,
which
is
a
year
and
a
half
ago.
It
was
a
savings
of
about
4
million
a
year,
but
let
us
come
back
in
the
next
update
with
those
numbers
as
well.
K
G
K
F
G
F
Liter
milligram
per
liter,
thank
you
of
nitrogen
and
the
plant
is
about
2.3
to
2.4,
so
it's
less
than
half,
but
when
you
average
the
flow
over
the
year,
the
flow
is
a
lot
more
than
50
million
gallons
a
day.
So
that's
why
I
was
saying
that
when
you
do
the
math
the
total
tonnage
and
we
haven't
done
the
math,
but
it
should
be
close,
it
should
be
closed
because
I.
K
K
I
just
took
the
I
just
took
the
numbers
you
talked
about
earlier,
but
if
you
all
can
do
that,
I
I
would
be
interested
because
they
were
talking
about
the
Estuary
that
again
this
morning,
I
was
talking
about
outcomes
versus
output,
so
the
outcome
is
that
we
want
to
reduce.
We
want
to
the
outcome
is
that
we
want
to
help
the
the
the
life
of
the
bay
and
the
ecosystem
and
the
bay
and,
and
then
another
outcome
is
that
we
want
to
have
pure
water
that
we
can
drink.
K
We
always
want
to
work
on
safer,
healthier
water
for
our
citizens,
so,
but
we
need
to
look
at
not
only.
We
need
to
look
at
what
are
the?
What
are
the
outputs
to
that
to
get
to
that
point
and
how
much?
How
much
would
it
cost?
What
do
we
do
about
the?
If,
if
there's
a
problem
with
the
300
tons
per
year,
we
potentially
have
millions
of
tons
coming
out
of
the
river.
It.
F
Wouldn't
be
millions
of
tons
but
like
I
say
it
should
be
comparable,
but
I'm
doing
that
in
my
head.
We
can't
get
you
that
and
the
important
thing
is.
Is
you
need
to
look
at
a
time
frame?
That's
long
enough
to
include
when
you
have
those
High
flows
and
when
you
have
no
flows
so
that
you
have
that
average
and
then
you
can
calculate
the
pounds
because
and
we
have
that
easily
at
the
plant
at
the
Wastewater
Plant,
but
they're
more.
You
know,
grab
samples,
I.
K
Think
what
I'd
like
to
see?
Similarly,
my
colleagues
are
talking
about.
What's
the
what
are
the
top
two
or
three
Technologies
in
the
world,
how
much
do
they
typically
cost
per
million
gallons
a
day,
for
example,
and
then
what
kind
of
numbers
would
they
get
out
and
then
and
then,
how
would
so?
We
can
compare
the
cost
and
the
output
to
to
any
new
technology,
knowing
that
we
need
to
put
a
variability
in
there
because
it
might
change,
because
it's
new
technology
and
then
we
need
to
look
at
that
for
the
50
MGD.
K
A
K
J
J
Calling
told
me
y'all
getting
close,
so
y'all
just
keep
doing
what
you're
doing
so.
This
is
the
problem.
You
got
us
experts
out
here
and
we've
got
people
up
there
that
are
just
leaning.
You
know
you're
learning
this
math,
it's
not
fuzzy,
but
you
just
can't
ask
me
over
what
about
this.
This
is
why
it
takes
time.
So
one
thing
about
this
type
of
process.
You
know
science
is
an
iterative
process.
You
know,
discoveries
didn't
start
out
with
an
answer
and
a
resolution.
Okay,
even
your
careers
didn't
start
out
like
that.
J
So
here's
the
deal
the
end
of
January
according
to
this,
but
I
have
you
something
on
the
sixth:
they
have
some
numbers.
The
best
thing
they
can
do
is
play
this.
Take
back
and
respond
to
what
Mr
Carson
with
is
everybody
is
said.
So
when
you
come
in
here
we
got
a
number
for
who
doing
it
over
here
we
know
what
process
is
over
here.
We
know
what
they're
doing
in
another.
We
know
what
they're
doing
everywhere
around
the
world
and
how
we
can
apply
it
here.
J
We
can
change
this
chart,
but
right
now,
you're
sort
of
in
the
middle
of
a
game
and
you're
asking
these
questions
on
how
to
get
to
the
end,
and
you
ain't
got
all
the
data,
so
this
stuff
is
science,
engineering
and
data,
okay
data
and
the
data
on
the
summer.
This
is
that
we're
on
The,
Cutting,
Edge
and
then
you're
talking
about
scaling
factors.
You
might
have
something
at
this
scale,
but
then,
when
you
scale
it
up,
will
it
work?
That's
why
you
have
a
pilot.
This
is
a
scaling
process.
J
This
is
how
science
has
done.
It's
iterated
process
and
and
closing
I
want
to
say
this
from
the
last
minute
about
these
purple
packs
Brad.
Now
let
me
just
clear
this
up.
Miss
class
I
know
man.
You
saw
the
green
on
stuff
today,
man
I'm
getting
scared.
My
boy
said
you're
in
constant
green
on
stuff.
The
pipe
do
you
do
have
purple
pipe,
but
I
don't
want
y'all
to
be
Miss,
less
I'm
trying
to
be
fair.
Today
we
don't
want
the
whole
city
done
with
purple
paint,
because
we
know
it's
built
out
of
infrastructure.
J
That's
not
the
answer.
Brad.
The
answer
could
be:
can
we
just
look
at
the
purple
pack
we
have,
which
just
happens
to
be
in
South
Tampa?
Why?
Because
the
plant
sits
right
over
here
up
the
Port
of
Tampa,
couldn't
industrial
users
on
the
port
use
the
water?
If
you
asked
that
question
can
Tico
use
the
water,
because
anybody
down
there
with
all
that
industry
over
there
can
use
the
water
I
think
it's
going
to
the
airport
I
got
over
there.
J
Let's
turn
it.
We
don't
need
whole
city
with
purple
paint,
but
I
know
them
rich
people
down
there,
where
you
at
Mr
Cox
in
the
side
Tampa
they
love
it.
Okay,
so
bottom
line
is:
let's
talk
about
where
pipe
makes
sense.
Not
the
whole
city
needs
to
be
done
in
purple.
Pipe,
which
is
technically.
Billions
of
dollars
are
not
feasible.
That
is
correct.
Had
we
been
real
smart
when
we
doing
the
pipes
project
now
you
know
what
we've
been
doing:
land
prep
a
pipe
beside
it
and
coming
back
and
putting
it
up
later
on.
L
L
The
length
of
the
trial
is
long
enough
to
to
get
all
the
situations
that
you
might
see
in
the
Wastewater,
including
what
days
dry
days
whatever
it
has
to
be.
You
know
contained,
so
it
seemed
to
me
that
it's
taking
a
little
more
time
to
make
sure
you
have
the
complete
data
is
important
and
not
rushing
it.
That
would
be
great
and
just
a
comment
about
the
contaminants.
L
Yes,
any
information
you
can
provide
publicly
or
what
contaminants
information
you
have
that's
in
the
Wastewater
stream
and
not
not
just
including
the
containments
that
you
need
to
report
on.
You
know
the
certain
drinking
water
and
EPA
contaminants
you
need
to
report
on,
but
there
are
other
contaminants
of
concern
that
you've
measured
and
any
information
that
you
have
available
for
that
that
you
can
make
available
to
the
public.
L
We
would
appreciate
it
because
we
wanted
we
that's
a
huge
concern
is
what
are
the
contaminants,
not
just
the
contaminants
that
are
regulated
or
are
being
monitored,
but
all
contaminants?
What's
in
the
Wastewater
and
and
any
information
you
have
about
how
well
six
removes
those
or
or
not,
is
appreciated
that
you
make
them
available.
Thank
you.
F
One
follow-up,
because,
because
it's
come
up
a
couple
times
about
you
know,
maybe
taking
more
time,
we
could
do
that,
but
we
don't
have
the
funding
up
front
with
Corolla
Engineers
to
do
that,
even
though
we
would
get
reimbursed
for
it
all.
We
would
have
to
come
back
to
you
and
increase
that
PCL
agreement
to
extend
the
pilot
longer.
F
I
I
think
you'd
have
to
come
back
with
science,
a
science
justification
for
an
extended
project.
So
you
know
what,
if
you
were
missing
something
or
you
felt
like
that,
there
was
something
that
could
be
gained
by
it.
I
think
that
would
be
that'd
be
worthy
of
coming
back
to
us
for
more
money,
but
come
with
the
scientific
reason
of
like
why
the
study,
what
you,
what
you
plan
to
gain
by
having
that
extra
time.
B
C
B
F
K
K
K
Yeah
the
this
is
a
something
that
that
I
think
we
need
a
changing
contract,
Administration
and
and
I
know
we'll
be
talking
about
that
process
again
soon,
but
I
think
that
there
has
to
be
a
a
limit
to
one
company's
involvement
in
in
this
particular
kind
of
project.
So
this
one
is
now
five
or
six
years
and
I
think
we
just
need
diversity,
thoughts.
K
We
need
to
allow
more
competition,
and
so
whatever
we
do
going
forward,
I
I
would
expect
that
there
would
be
some
kind
of
RFP
that
would
look
at
the.
What
are
what
companies
are
out
there
Korea
would
would
would
bid
on
it,
but
I
think
we
need
an
open
RRP
process.
Also
PCL
is
them,
is
the
main
contractor
right,
correct
and
what
kind
of
company
are
they
so
do?
K
F
K
An
alternative
analysis
should
be
done
by
as
Mr
Robinson
says,
scientists
which
are
Engineers
a
construction
company
may
have
Engineers
too,
but
we're
not
building
anything
if
we're
doing
a
fair
alternative
analysis,
and
so
it
needs
to
be
an
objective
analysis
and
to
Mr
Robinson's
other
point
about
purple
pipes.
The
Alternatives
analysis
that
was
done
at
the
time
was
it
came
back
as
the
most
expensive
alternative,
because
the
model
I
was
talking
about
model
bias.
The
model
was
to
do
the
whole
city
instead
of
the
areas
that
would
spend
the
most
on
it.
K
M
K
K
I
hire
my
own
attorneys
to
go
through
what
it
is
and
what
it
isn't
and
or
how
the
department
is
organized
I
want
to
hear
just
a
simple
question:
if
somebody
else
wants
to
make
a
motion
to
ask
you
to
come
back
and
explain
the
CCNA
process
in
the
department,
that's
fine,
but
this
motion,
which
I
made
is
just
about
improving
transparency
and
accountability.
That's
the
only
question.
I
ask
the
only
thing
I
want
answered
in
this.
So.
F
K
F
C
F
D
F
We
have
not
included
Gregory
Hearts,
you
know,
statistics
and
all
that
in
here
that
it
is
in
the
timeline
that
that
we
have
at
the
end
of
the
CCNA
process,
where
the
ebo
part
is
is
in
there,
but
no
not
in
detail
on
how
you
go.
That's
a
whole
separate
presentation
on
how
you
have
a
project
task,
worksheet,
how
you
develop
the
goals,
how
you
review
the
good
faith
efforts,
and
that
would
require
Gregory
Hart
to
be
here
and
provide
that
Mr
chair
should.
K
K
I,
don't
want
to
hear
that
presentation
so
if
somebody
else
wants
to
make
a
separate
motion
they
can
but
I.
There
are
several
times
when
there
are
complicated
things
that
we've
asked
for,
and
the
administration
presents
an
hour
of
background.
That's
not
related
and
I.
Don't
want
to
I,
don't
want
to
waste
my
time
doing
that
I
don't
have
any
confusion
about
it.
K
D
What
I'm
looking
for
is
not
necessarily
the
lesson
as
well.
I
want
to
hear
I
don't
want
to
hear
about
what
we
currently
do.
It
is
the
matter
of
what
we're
not
doing
that
we
should
be
doing.
That
is
the
part
that
I
want
to
hear
when
it
relates
to
equal
business
opportunity.
So
we're
looking
for
transparency
and
I
would
and
I
agree
that
we're
I'm
not
looking
for
the
lesson
in
the
process.
I'm
looking
for
the
meat.
D
J
J
One
of
them
was
in
the
design
building.
They
even
say
one
of
the
firmish
certified
minority
business
as
a
mandatory
Factor
required
by
the
statute,
but
it's
in
there
now
see.
You
know.
Y'all
got
me
on
the
fence,
man,
no
sound,
like
that's!
Why
I'm
down
here,
because
I
was
told
to
come
down
here
and
get
this
thing
straight
on
both
sides
of
this
diets
and
that
upstairs
and
all
around
now
I'm
gonna
say
one
more
thing
about
the
purple
pipe
I
got
to
say
this
Swift
Mud.
J
When
we
put
the
pipes
out,
nobody
wanted
to
hook
up
what
we
did
is
Swift
funded
the
hook
up
to
the
pipe.
Does
anybody
ask
for
a
corporate
funding
Grant?
They
have
sweet
blood
hook
up
the
pipe
for
you,
they'll
hook
it
up
all
right
now.
So
that's
not
an
issue
get
some
Cooperative
funding
from
Swift
mug,
listen
back
to
the
CCNA
CCNA
has
been
around.
It's
been
modified
the
last
time
the
design
Bill
executive
order
was
done,
was
in
1996,
Charlie,
Greco
and
Jim
Palermo
was
attorneys,
I
was
there
with
them.
J
I
was
there
with
them.
We
use
it
out
there
on
McKay
Bay.
It's
been
modified
several
times
over
since
1996
the
statute,
let
alone
the
executive
order
that
the
mayor
issue
has
not
been
construction.
Admin
got
a
new
man
over
here
hope.
He
listened
to
what
I
told
him
at
that
meeting
that
we
had
you
was
there?
Wasn't
he
all
right?
They
took
notes
now,
I
hadn't
been
telling
nobody
but
I've
been
pushing
it.
Miss,
Constance
I'm,
telling
man
man,
you
green.
On
two
months
today,
man
we're
going
on
something
going
down
man.
J
J
This
needs
to
be
one
comprehensive
thing
of
CCNA
and
get
this
over
with
not
just
the
mass
executive
orders
that
run
it,
but
also
that
it
complies
with
the
statutes
and
that
it
also
complies
with
once
you
get
the
contract
once
a
prime
guy
has
a
contract
and
he
signs
all
these
degree.
All
these
letters
and
tips
with
minority
businesses
Mrs
Henderson
that
somebody
gonna
enforce
it
and
Gregory
Hart
cannot
enforce
it.
If
he
ain't
got
nobody
to
look
at
it,
I'm
sorry
to
go
over
Mr
chair.
B
N
A
A
A
E
E
E
It's
a
seven
proposed
amendments,
nothing
extraordinary
in
the
request
or
the
proposed
language
that
we're
that
we're
coming
through
with
this
is
a
quick
summary
of
everything
and
there's
each
individual
slide
for
each
one
and
for
number
17
I'm
going
to
show
something
on
the
Elmo.
That's
for
a
the
change
for
the
definition
for
a
grief
party.
E
Today's
the
workshop
we
plan
on
doing
public
information
meetings
through
January
in
September.
Excuse
me
September
in
October
to
get
comments
from
the
public
on
the
changes
we'll
come
back
for
a
in
the
November
Workshop
to
actually
propose
to
give
you
the
proposed
language
and
the
transmittal
to
the
Planning
Commission
and
then
we'll
brief.
The
Planning
Commission
in
December
come
back
to
the
city
council
in
January
for
first
reading,
and
hopefully,
second
reading
later
that
month.
E
So
the
first
amendment
is
to
the
center
of
business
district.
The
CBD
has
Type
A
type,
B
and
type
c
streets
as
water
streets
come
on
board
AER
and
some
of
the
other
larger
developments.
I
know
that
little
map
is
smaller,
you've
seen
councilwoman
her
Tech.
Looking
like
what
does
that
say,
those
who
those
are
different,
color
streets,
that's
how
it's
color
coded,
but
the
main
gist
of
this
is
we're
going
to
amend
the
code
to
actually
clarify
the
BNC
Straits
standards,
partly
because
of
the
changes.
E
E
This
is
a
section
for
when
we
all
had
this
case
a
couple
of
months
ago,
once
somebody's
going
for
it
with
a
comp
plan
and
a
rezoning.
At
the
same
time,
if
the
comp
plan
is
denied
the
rezoning
would
be
withdrawn,
they
can't
try
to
move
forward
with
that
request.
Of
course,
this
is
just
a
cleanup
or
code
keeps
referring
to
the
2015
comprehensive
plan,
we're
just
going
to
say
the
adopted
comprehensive
plan,
because
the
new
one
coming
on
board
is
well.
E
What's
it
called
a
live,
Thrive
2045,
so
we're
only
30
years
behind
this
is
going
to
move
the
enforcement
for
Dangerous
trees,
trees
that
are
rated
I
want
to
say,
C9
or
maybe
D9
or
worse,
that
need
to
come
down
right
now
that
power,
to
cite
someone
is
with
code
enforcement
in
chapter
19..
This
is
going
to
move
into
chapter
27,
which
Construction
Services
has
their
own
enforcement
team.
So
this
will
allow
that
that
group
to
do
the
ion
the
citations
for
all
for
that
commercial
vehicle
parking.
E
We
came
before
you
probably
two
cycles
ago.
Unintended
consequence
I
had
no
idea
that
a
Ford
F-350
is
the
same
size
as
a
semi
cab
when
it
comes
to
length
and
width.
So
we've
had
reports
of
semi-cabs
being
parked
in
the
front.
This
language
is
going
to
add
height
and
weight
to
a
commercial
vehicle
to
try
to
address
those
issues,
public
notice
requirements-
and
this
is
where
the
little
part
for
the
Elmo
comes
on.
This
is
what
we've
talked
about.
E
A
E
Part
of
that
discussion
was
the
definition
of
a
grieved
person,
keeping
the
definition
as
it
is,
but
changing
out
to
300
feet.
Dana
is
here.
If
you
have
any
specific
questions
on
that
issue
and
I,
believe
that's
all
our
cycles
and
then
I
can
give
you
the
time
frame
which
we
right
now
I
guess
the
neck.
If
Council
gives
us
the
permission
to
move
forward,
we'll
schedule,
the
public
hearing,
public
information
meetings
in
September.
B
B
Thank
you
again
for
that
being
able
to
change
this
to
the
300
feet
to
match
our
new
notice
really
does
make
sense,
but
again
to
get
the
Public's
input
is
really
really
critical.
So
thank
you
for
that
and
I'll
go
ahead
and
make
a
motion.
Unless
anybody
has
anything
else,
they
want
to
say
and
make
a
motion
to
can
continue.
Whatever
staff
needs.
C
J
About
time,
I
agree
with
everything
they
just
said:
I
did
West
Tampa
with
the
historic
district.
We
have
to
issue
it.
Whether
this
is
the
ugly
it's
just
too
much
confusion,
these
codified
amendments
that
will
clean
up
the
confusion
when
you
have
a
historic
district
when
you're
trying
to
compete
with
the
different
laws
and
rules.
So
if
this
is
more
of
cleaning
up
making
it
clear,
300
feet
stem
150,
you
know,
so
this
gives
people
a
chance
to
comment.
The
public
appreciate
these
changes.
C
I
I
It's
it's
in
our
in
our
law
of
people
having
the
ability
to
come
before
government
and
petition
government,
so
100
not
trying
to
Buck
that
type
of
system,
but
I
think
that
there
are
and
be
to
be
respectful
of
everyone
that
comes
before
us,
not
just
us,
but
the
people
that
listen,
the
other
people
that
are
waiting
to
hear
other
people,
other
cases
that
are
coming
before
us
in
that
day.
That
I
think
it's
we
and
especially
you
know.
Mr
chair.
We
have
a
responsibility
to
ensure
that
this
process
is
orderly,
that
it's
productive.
I
I
But
there
was
you
know
it's
it's
it's
it's
a
it's
at
least
it's
meaningful
and
you
know
they're
able
to
say
their
peace
to
us,
but
I
think
we
need
to
be
more
and
I,
don't
even
know
what
some
of
the
processes
are,
but
I
think
one
conforming
to
the
time
parameters,
because
that's
respectful
of
the
other
people
that
are
waiting
to
speak
and
also
waiting
for
all
the
other
issues.
As
we
see
today.
How
lengthy
these
these
these
agenda
days
can
go.
I
I
think
that
perhaps
capping
in
the
duration
of
the
public
comment
and
then
and
the
morning
to
like
say
30
minutes
and
then
anybody
else
that
wants
to
speak
at
the
end
of
the
day.
Having
no
cap,
you
know
it's
the
only
thing
that's
costing
us
at
that
point
is
us
it's
not
costing
anybody
else
any
time
or
money.
He
knows
to
give
people
unlimited
time
at
the
end
of
the
agenda,
30
minutes
on
the
front
which
I
think
most
of
the
time
it's
all
within
30
minutes
anyway.
I
So
I,
don't
know
if
it
had.
You
know,
I
think
with
very
few
exceptions.
I,
don't
know
if
it
have
that
great
of
an
impact,
but
I
also
want
to
make
sure
that,
as
you
had
one
issue
that
when
folks
come
before
us,
I
think
this
is
not
a
street
corner
coming
into
city
council.
This
is
not
so
you
know
we
have
a
right,
a
free
speech
and
we
can
there's.
I
You
know
you
can
go
out
and
petition
and
protest
and
and
be
loud
and
do
do,
there's
all
kinds
of
things
that
you
can
do
on
the
street
and
and
under
our
U.S,
Constitution
or
free
speech
and
gosh
knows
I've
in
my
lifetime
have
afforded
myself
of
those
opportunities,
but
I
think
when
you
come
here.
This
isn't
this
is
this
is
a
business
meeting
and
it
costs
a
lot
of
money
to
run
this
chamber
so
between
attorneys
and
the
our
beautiful
cable
people
that
make
me
look
terrible
with
the
spotlight.
I
I
I
know
I
watch,
other
public
comments
and
other
bodies
of
government
Nobody,
Does
it
Like
Us
I
mean
you,
don't
see
some
of
the
stuff
that
we
see,
you
don't
see
it
in
County
Commission.
You
know
you
don't
see
it
in
some
of
these
other
folks,
so
you
know
how
do
they
do
that?
Do
they
I
think
they
have
sign-in
sheets
people
sign
in
and
talk
about
what
topic
they
want
to
talk
about
that
day
you
know
holding
holding
folks
to
that.
I
Maybe
it's
people,
people,
you
know
I,
want
to
say
living
at
the
people
that
live
in
the
city
of
Tampa,
but
I
understand
like
today.
We
had
somebody
that
lived
in
St
Petersburg,
but
they
had
applicable
information
to
provide
us
because
we
share
a
bay
with
them.
So
I
know
that's
kind
of
unrealistic,
because
I
think
some
people
have
so
I
wanted
to
have
this
discussion
because
I
don't
have
all
the
answers.
I
just
know
we
have
a
problem
and
I
guarantee
you
every
person
that
listens
to
us
knows
we
have
a
problem.
I
You
know
I
mean
I,
hear
it
from
people.
You
know
when
a
lot
of
times
people
sell
city
council
as
a
service.
Well,
I
think
a
lot
of
times.
I
think
that's
part
of
what
they
see
and
I
think
somehow
we
have
to
figure
out
a
way
of
making
this
a
more
productive
environment
for
everybody,
not
just
one
person,
but
for
everybody
and
I'm.
I'm
I
wanted
to
have
this
on
the
workshop,
because
I
thought
it'd
be
good
to
have
the
talk
and
I
know.
I
You
know
some
folks,
you
know
feel
really
strongly
about
some
of
these
items
and
I
just
I
want
to
know
that
like
I
say
when,
especially
when
there's
abusive
language
involved
or
or
or
stuff
that
we
really
we
gavel
down
on
these
people,
and
we
make
sure
that
that's
not.
This
is
not
a
chamber
that
that's
tolerated
in.
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
I'm
glad
you
brought
this
up.
We
do
it
differently
from
other
elected
bodies,
the
school
board,
I
believe
and
the
County
Commission
they
do.
They
have
a
lot
like
30
minutes
and
then
they
have
sign-in
sheets.
I
know
the
County
Commission.
Does
it
but
I
think
we're
the
most
accessible
of
all
government
bodies
locally?
You
know
why
do
people
come
to
us
because
we're
the
easiest
to
to
get
to
the
mayor
doesn't
have
public
comment.
The
governor
doesn't
have
public
con.
A
The
president
public
comment:
a
lot
of
people
are
affected
by
the
decisions
that
we
make
and
I
get
it
I
mean.
Sometimes
public
comment
goes
two
hours.
Sometimes
it's
an
hour,
but
it's
it's
the
people's
right
to
speak,
not
regarding
public
comment,
but
myself,
I'm
very
quiet,
I've
been
very
quiet
today.
It's
not
that
I'm
not
engaged.
It's
I.
Read
everything.
I
try
to
look
at
everything
ahead
of
time
and
I.
Ask
my
questions.
You
know
offline
just
to
keep
the
meeting
going.
It
doesn't
matter.
That's
just
that's
just
me.
A
Everybody
has
a
right
to
say
and
talk
for
as
long
as
they
want,
but
you
know
people
want
to
be
heard,
and
this
is
one
of
their
few
opportunities
and
I
understand.
I
mean
it
can
be
hours
long.
It
could
delay
us
in
the
morning,
but
it's
it's
the
right
of
the
people
now,
regarding
you
know,
Behavior
somebody
uses
offensive
language
and.
I
C
I
Know
like
like
pounding
on
the
day
is
screaminess
I
mean
those
kind
of
things
shouldn't
I
mean
you
have
a
right
to
free
speech.
You
don't
have
to
write
and
I
I,
consider,
there's
a
line
of
where
yelling
at
you
it
becomes
abusive
or
pounding
on
the
Deus,
becomes
abusive
or
or
just
rut.
Not,
and
this
isn't
the
form
to
do
that
and
in
reference
the
I
in
some
ways
we're
creating
our
own
problem,
because,
especially
what
I
hear
and
I
hear
frustration
in
the
public
and
right
yourself
about
accessibility,
but
are
we?
I
Are
we
actually
setting
Folks
up
to
think
that,
because
I
I
would
say
almost
all
the
issues
when
people
are
really
frustrating
it?
People
who
are
really
frustrated
come
here
because
we're
accessible
but
we're
not
the
body.
The
decisions
that
we
make
are
not
the
ones
that
are
going
to
solve
their
problem.
It's
the
legislature,
it's
the
you
know
it's.
It
is
Congress
or
it's
it's
or
the
court
system.
You
know
with
some
of
one
of
our
frequent
flyers.
I
It's
you
know
the
city
of
council,
the
city
council
is,
is
not
the
solution
and
are
we
setting
Folks
up
for
disappointment
in
Us
by
Leading
them
on
thinking
that
this
is
the
by?
This?
Is
the
appropriate
body
for
that
to
be
vented
at?
Is
it
you
know
and
I
mean
it's
it's
because
that's
what
it
seems
like
to
me,
because
I
I
mean
I
feel
for
some
of
these
folks
and
I.
Keep
thinking
to
myself.
I
wish
I
could,
because
you
know
we
don't
respond
to
public
comment.
I
wish
I
could
say
it
again.
I
K
K
If
the
communication
Department
policy
people
were
working
on
our
behalf,
they
would
contact
them
and
they
would
try
to
get
us
to
reach
out
to
them
in
advance.
They
would
alert
us
to
it
and
they
would
try
to
get
us
to
instead
we're
out
there
to
defend
for
ourselves,
and
so
people
are
organizing
around
things.
K
We
could
solve
the
problem
that
you're
talking
about
about
the
legislature,
handling
something
we
could
solve
it
by
going
to
meet
with
folks
before
they
as
they're
starting
to
organize
or
when
we
see
the
comments
first
pop
up,
but
we're
not
even
allowed.
For
example,
I,
don't
know
under
the
new
communication
director
right
on
the
last
communication
director,
we
were
told
that
we
weren't
able
to
have
City
next
door
accounts.
So
only
the
mayor's
office
can
see
the
whole
city
we
have
to.
K
If
we
get
a
public
records
request
on
them,
which
I've
had
to
do
if
and
so
at
some
point,
we're
going
to
need
additional
staff
to
monitor
this
stuff
for
us,
because,
especially
after
George
Floyd
incident,
the
the
you
know
we
had
hundreds
of
people,
we
had
a
thousand
people
at
a
Time
marching
and
we
didn't
even
know
where
they
were
going
to
March
or
what
they
were
doing
and
we
needed
to
have
a
heads
up
on
it.
We
were
pleading
with
the
police
department.
K
You
know
prior
Chief
to
give
us
a
heads
up,
so
we
could
warn
neighborhoods
and
we
need
a
way
to
communicate
with
our
constituents
to
hear
from
them
and
have
those
conversations
before
they
come
up.
So
one
of
the
reasons
why
folks
come
here
because
they
have
they,
don't
they
don't
know
that
they
have
an
outlet?
A
lot
of
people
don't
even
know
how
to
get
our
email
addresses
right
or
how
to
how
to
circulate
that
correctly.
K
We
see
it
in
our
in
in
the
way
we're
being
reached
out
to
now
about
the
tax,
so
I
think
ideally,
we'd
have
somebody
who'd
go.
Do
early
intervention,
our
aides
can
can
look
at
some
of
it,
but
we
we
can't
even
see
all
of
it
Citywide.
The
other
thing
is
that
I
think
at
the
beginning
of
every
meeting,
somebody
should
read
the
rules.
Ideally
it
would
be
Marty.
K
We
it's
boring
to
us,
but
we
need
that
like
one
of
the
things
we
need
to
say
is:
is
no
profanity
no
calling
out
City
Council
Members
individually,
no
abusive
language,
no,
that
kind
of
stuff.
So
then
the
then
the
public
knows
every
week,
because
there
are
people
that
come
for
the
first
time.
There
are
people
that
come
for
the
first
time
that
hear
a
speaker
who
comes
every
week
and
they
think
it's
the
first
time.
They've
ever
heard
it.
So
it's
it
it's.
K
It
has
a
different
impact
on
them
and
if
they
don't
know
our
rules
and
they
don't
know
how
we'd
react
to
it.
So
if
we
talk
through
the
roles,
one
of
the
rules,
as
you
mentioned,
is
that
we're
not
supposed
to
engage
them
in
a
conversation,
we're
not
supposed
to
engage
them
in
a
conversation,
and
so
some
people
stand
there
and
ask
us
you're
not
even
going
to
respond
to
me.
Why
don't
you
respond
to
me
you're
so
rude?
K
K
Unfortunately,
we
don't
control
that,
but
if
what
the
mayor's
office
should
do
is
take
those
folks
and
fully
engage
them
in
the
housing
discussions,
they
should
be
regular
advisors
regularly
involved
and
if
they
felt
like
they
were
part
of
the
process,
they
wouldn't
come
here
every
week
to
complain
because
they
were
involved.
They
would
be
involved
in
solving
the
problem.
K
We
have
a.
We
have
a
someone
that
has
a
legal
issue,
that's
with
the
city
and
not
with
us.
It
has
nothing
to
do
with
us,
but
we're
the
only
outlet
for
that
to
happen.
I
wish
the
legal
department
or
some
of
the
department
engaged
that
person
and
have
a
conversation
with
them.
There's
a
person
that
has
a
huge
code
enforcement
I
think
a
very
unfair
Code
Enforcement
issue
and
I've
tried
to
intervene
and
and
I've
gotten
nowhere
on
it.
K
But
if,
but
again,
if
we
were
working
collaboratively,
there
are
things
that
Administration
could
do
to
solve
the
underlying
issues,
that
the
reason
why
they're
coming
up
you
know
one
has
a
church,
that's
falling
apart,
and
so
how
do
we?
How?
How
do
we
resolve
the
issues
either
getting
early
warning
and
addressing
it
before
they
come
or
when
they
come?
Have
somebody
for
the
administration
go
and
talk
to
them?
You
see
the
ones
very
often
when
she
Bennett
walks
up
and
gives
them
a
card
and
handles
it.
K
A
So
I
think
from
what
I've
heard
so
far
is
that
I'll
ask
Mr
Shelby
to
read
the
tools
as
we
used
to
before
public
comedy
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting,
so
it's
clear
and
they'll
say
you
know,
do
not
call
out
a
single
council
member.
You
may
speak
for
three
minutes.
Please
refer
them
from
profanity,
but
as
councilman
Carlson
mentioned,
sometimes
we
have
to
respond
like
last
week,
a
woman
just
she
was
here
regarding
the
storm
water
assessment
and
she
just.
A
B
Thank
you
we'll
see
for
this
I
in
no
way
support
limit
on
public
comment
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
whatsoever.
People
are
here.
This
is
their
public
right
to
be
here.
We
should
not
be
talking
about
money.
The
the
rule
is
that
we're
doing
the
people's
work
I'll
be
here
as
long
as
it
takes.
I
have
zero
problem
with
that
it
don't
plan
anything
on
a
Thursday.
That's
pretty
much.
B
What
that's
what
I
do,
because
we
need
to
be
here
the
whole
time,
I
honestly,
don't
care
why
people
come
to
speak
in
front
of
us
if
people
want
to
come
and
talk
every
week
about
their
Beanie
Baby
collection
that
is
up
to
them.
This
is
a
public
forum.
We
should
take
any
comment
under
the
sun.
I
agree
somewhat
to
the
rules.
I
kind
of
don't
agree
with
the
rules,
though
I'll
be
honest.
I
think
that
you
should
be
able
to
come
up
here
and
say
whatever
you
want.
There
is
some.
B
You
know
not
targeting
individual
council
members,
but
you
know
banging
on
the
desk
when
you're
upset
about
something
is,
is
not
an
affront.
It's
simply
people
being
passionate.
I,
remember
very
clearly
being
on
that
side
of
the
Deus
and
I
have
no
problem
with
people
and
their
passion.
I
have
no
problem
with
people
not
being
from
the
city.
I
have
no
problem
again.
If
we're
trailing
down
the
stairs
knock
yourself
out.
I
will
sit
here
all
day
until
six
o'clock
just
to
listen
to
public
comment.
B
B
Every
city
is
different,
this
city,
we
just
know
so,
if
you're
not
down
here,
to
put
do
public
comment,
people
at
least
tuning
in
to
watch
they
they
will
they're
they're
at
home,
they're
watching
they
want
to
know
what
people
have
to
say
and
then
they
leave
it
on
and
they
listen
to
the
city's
business.
But
I'll
be
honest
without
that
little
appetizer
of
public
comment.
I,
don't
know,
we'd
have
as
many
people
watching.
I
Let's
be
clear,
I
said
right
from
the
beginning:
I
don't
want
to
limit
public
comp
I
want
to
limit
people's
right
to
free
speech
and
they're
right.
What
I
do
want
to
do
is
we
create
a
balance,
because
this
is
also
a
business
meeting
and
there's
people
here
to
do
business
with
the
city,
so
we
have
so
we
have
there's
two
components.
We
can't
we
can't
neglect
one
component
of
this
at
the
sake
of
the
other,
so
we
have
to
find
we
have
to
strike
some
balance
between
the
two,
because
this
is
a
business
meeting.
I
I
I'll
sit
here
all
day.
Long
I'll
sit
here,
obviously
until
three
o'clock
in
the
morning.
If
we
have
to
it's,
so
it's
not
about
us,
it's
about
all
the
other
people
and
the
people
that
are
doing
business.
So
that's
what
I'm
concerned
about
I
don't
want
to
I.
Don't
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
I
I
had
this
because
I
think
some
people
across
the
line,
I
appreciate
I,
think
that
councilman
Carlson's
suggestion
of
just
a
reminder
to
some
folks
about
what
the
rules
actually
are.
I
B
And
and
also
you
know,
I've
had
my
Aid
Miss
sharp
out
here
since
I
started
on
Council
she's
here
every
time
in
the
morning
for
public
comment
to
do
that
very
thing.
I
highly
recommend
that
you
have
your
aides
out
here
to
do
that,
because
we
have
asked
people
from
the
city
and
we
it
would
be
wonderful
if
we
could
get
just
someone
from
the
city
to
be
here
to
take
these
people's
requests,
but
because
we
don't
do
we
don't
have
that.
D
D
The
other
part
to
that
is
is
that
you
know
it
hasn't
been
up
here
on
the
days
where
there
was
a
a
person
here
presenting
his
development
plan
to
us
and
he
he
got
up
to
give
a
rebuttal
and
he
was
called
an
effing
liar
and
the
Deus
did
not
say
anything.
There
was
no
banging
of
the
gavel.
I
mentioned
it
to
the
chair
with
all
due
respect,
and
the
chair
said
well,
I
didn't
hear
it
and
I'm
like
no.
It
doesn't
matter
that
you
didn't
hear
it.
D
As
far
as
the
the
communication
with
the
the
communication
team
I,
don't
believe
that
they
just
work
for
the
mayor,
they
actually
work
for
the
City
of
Tampa
and
the
residents,
and
they
also,
you
know,
have
served
me.
I've
actually
worked
with
them.
I've
been
in
touch
with
them.
I've
sought
their
help
in
some
instances.
D
So
maybe
we
just
need
a
clear
definition
of
of
if
there
are
people
on
the
communication
team
that
will
work
with
us
or
how
they
will
do
that,
maybe
that
just
needs
to
be
outlined
also
the
person
that's
up
there
when
the
buzzer
rings
and
there's
30
seconds
left
the
nice
person
that
you
let
continue
for
a
minute
or
two.
You
know
that's
a
problem
as
well,
because
then,
when
it's
the
person,
that's
being
outraged
and
Furious
and
they're
going
past
their
minute,
they
need
to
talk.
They
need
to
stop
talking
as
well.
D
So
it
works
both
ways.
You
can
be
nice
about
it,
but
once
your
time
is
up,
your
time
is
up
and
you
have
to
stop
them.
You
can't
give
them
additional
time.
Continue.
Please
least
finish
because
the
moment
is
something
that
you
you
know
you
it's
almost
like.
You
show
how
you
feel,
or
you
give
the
impression
if
you
don't
stop
it,
because
the
person
is
being
rude
or
or
outbursting
or
very
passionate
about
their
particular
topic.
D
D
The
rules
in
the
beginning
and
and
I
think
that
that
would
be
helpful
but
appointed
order
up
here
on
the
Deus
in
terms
of
interrupting
staff
when
they're
talking
is
also
inappropriate.
So
it
is,
let
them
finish
speaking.
Even
if
you
don't
like
what
they're
saying
that's
not
the
point,
they
have
a
right
to
present
their
reports
or
to
say
whatever
it
is
that
they
need
to
say
without
interruption,
and
so
that
happens
quite
a
bit
in
this
space
as
well.
So
that's
what
I.
D
M
What
you
want,
but
thank
you,
it's
six
and
one
half
a
dozen
of
another.
You
you
have
to
have
everyone
who
comes
here
has
got
a
different
personal
health
he's
got.
A
different
Outlook
in
life
has
a
different
value
of
something
or
other,
and
that's
how
life
is
all
about.
Everybody
can't
be
the
same,
but
when
you
look
at
the
problems
we
have
in
society,
they're
looking
as
maybe
the
last
hope,
maybe
the
last
chance,
maybe
the
opportunity
that
something
that
they
need
to
say
that
their
water
is
safe.
M
But
you
got
to
figure
out
one
thing:
they're
coming
here
we
have
a
parking
spot,
they
don't
they're
going
to
find
a
parking.
They
got
to
do
this.
They
got
to
come
they're
going
to
come
half
hour
an
hour
before
they
have
to
get
here
park.
The
car,
where
am
I
going
to
park?
How
do
I
find
a
parking,
was
full
I
go
to
the
next
garage
or
whatever
so
before
they
walk
in
that
door
and
they
already
got
a
little.
M
You
know
heat
in
the
shoe
leather
and,
and
so
what
I'm
saying
is
you
got
to
listen
to
them?
For
three
minutes,
but,
however,
if
you
give
one
person
15
seconds
more,
then
you
got
to
give
the
other
one
15
seconds
more
and
therefore
we're
lacking
and
not
reflection
of
the
chair
on
us.
Don't
let
me
hear
no,
no,
no!
No
three
minutes
next!
Please!
Next!
Please
the
next!
Please!
If
not,
you
lose.
You
lose
the
decorum,
so
I
think
everybody
wants
to
speak,
whether
it's
regarding
City
busy
or
it's
not.
M
You
got
to
hear
them
speak
because
I
believe
that
they
want
to
tell
you
at
least
that
they
have
a
problem.
What
what
can
you
help
them
with
or
maybe
not
be
able
to
help
them
with,
but
I
can
tell
you
it's
and
make
things
different
when
we
had
a
court
enforcement
rule
way
back
when
I
had
curls
I,
guess
that
you
get
a
person,
you
call
code
enforcement,
they
go
check
the
problem
out
now
the
way
they
changed,
it
I
think
after
July
1..
M
M
M
I'll
show
it
to
you,
but
I'm
not
going
to
talk
about
it.
There's
three
addresses
on
one
block
of
one
person
that
I
went
to
see.
One
has
got
an
enclosed
garage
without
a
permit,
they
say
do,
structure
and
backyard,
and
the
other
one
has
something:
a
brick
structure
that
wasn't
there
before
what
am
I
going
to
do
about
it
that
he
called
me
I
went
to
see
her.
That's
what
she
told
me.
I
wrote
it
down,
so
I
haven't
done
anything
yet,
but
I
will
today,
because
the
office
of
Charlie
Miranda
called
that's.
M
You
I'm
not
violating
the
law,
I,
don't
know
who
called
I
don't
answer
the
phone.
Mary
tells
me
here's
what's
wrong
and
I
said
the
office
of
Charlie
Miranda
calls.
So
it
is
what
it
is
and
but
you
cannot,
if
you
give
somebody
one
second,
whoever
says
gonna
want
equal
time
and
there's
where
you
start
to
crumble
and
everyone
that
comes
here
has
a
well
of
intention
in
their
mind
and
let's
leave
it
the
way.
It
is
whether
we
like
it
or
not.
M
That's
what
they
want
to
hear
and
I'm
willing
to
say
yes
or
no
or
whatever.
But
it's
like
it's
like
having
a
big
family.
You
got
to
treat
them
all
alike,
no
matter
who
they
are
where
they
come
from,
or
how
big
or
how
tall
or
whatever
and
I,
think
you'll
you'll
have
a
more
decorum.
You
set
it
down.
Yeah
you
can.
M
M
Them
speak,
not
me
the
council
did
and
at
the
end
it
was
about
what
it
was
and
I
told
him.
I
had
passed
a
budget
of
900,
some
million,
and
today
there's
no
budget
there's
a
liquor.
Zoning
and
I
have
400
and
some
people
Fistful
of
four
outside
of
everywhere
and
for
a
budget
one
for
a
little
thing
about
an
alcohol
zoning.
400
people
showed
up.
What
do
you
want
me
to
do?
M
That's
life
I
can't
change
that
when
you
get
involved
in
something
that
you
really
want
on
one
side
or
the
other
you're
going
to
show
up,
maybe
they
thought
that
in
their
mind
that
everything
was
okay,
there's
no
need
to
show
up
to
the
budget
because
they're
going
to
pass
anyway
or
failed
anyway,
but
that's
not
the
case.
The
case
is
that
they
show
up
when
it's
something
they
feel
passionate
about
whatever
that
passion.
It
is
so
that's
how
it
is.
But
where
am
I?
That's
all
we'll.
M
At
least
I
just
want
to
bring
one
thing
up
in
the
old
days
between
the
two
elevators
right
beside
of
one
of
them.
There
was
three
person
up
here
downstairs
three,
and
that
was
service
and
information,
everything
that
they
were
going
to
say
here.
It
went
over
there,
they
told
them
by
the
time
they
come
here.
Those
three
individuals
have
worked
for
the
for
the
city,
those
city,
employees.
They
were
already
writing
out
and
directed
Apartments
where
to
go
so
we
had
some,
maybe
somewhere
else
now,
but
we
had
three
people.
M
C
M
D
Can
I
just
say
something
before
it
gets?
Second
I
just
happened
to
know
this
because
I
think
you
know
that
busy
period
where
we
do
police
officers
of
the
month
and
things
like
that
I
stepped
out
once
to
take
a
picture
with
the
first
female
firefighter
and
Community
engagement
was
out
there.
They
were
also
out
there
with
the
students,
so
they
made
you
may
we
may
not
see
them
inside
the
building,
but
they're
actually
addressing
things
as
people
leave.
That
may
be
something
that
they
could
deal
with.
D
K
K
K
That
is
that
maybe
has
multiple
talents,
but,
as
maybe
a
policy
person
in
some
ways,
a
communication
person,
but
then
that
person
can
get
information
and
disseminates
to
it
like
like
I,
was
saying
if,
if
that
person's
monitoring
social
media
and
sees
something
popping
up,
Marty
would
have
to
clear
how
they
could
communicate
it,
but
they
could
disseminate
things
to
us
that
we
would
see.
Ideally
it
would
come
from
the
other
staff
members.
I,
don't
get
that
kind
of
cooperation,
and
so
I
wish
it
was
a
city
staff
person.
A
I
Will
say
reference
the
hiring
of
the
staff,
though,
because
I'm
you
know,
I
put
that
resolution
that
we're
for
the
budget
analyst
for
next
year,
I
I
am
going
to
go
for
looking
at
all
these
proposed
additional
staff
folks,
so
I'm
I'm
really
I'm
treading
lightly
on
the
expansion
of
our
payroll,
based
on
the
stresses
that
raises
of
and
everything
else,
our
payroll
has
grown
so
rapidly,
so
I'm
looking
I'm
looking
with
a
wary
eye
of
our
payroll
expansion.
Yes,.
B
Ma'am,
thank
you.
I
and
people
may
be
outside
handling
it,
but
the
issue
is
we
don't
see
that
in
here,
so
I
think
that
having
a
visual
presence
and
watching
that
happen
enables
us
to
take
it
off
of
our
plates,
because
otherwise
it's
in
the
back
of
my
head
and
I'm
like
hoping,
Kelly's,
Miss
sharp,
is
getting
the
person's
contact
information
and
if
it's
a
particular
council
member
passing
it
along,
but
just
having
someone
in
this
space
that
would
maybe
follow
them
out
into
the
anti-chamber
or
something.
B
Once
yeah,
yeah
and
I
just
think
that
visual
is
very
helpful
also
to
maybe
even
catch
people
before
they
speak
If.
Someone
knows
so
that's
there's
definitely
ways
to
do
that,
but
a
Communications
person
for
city
council
is
not
a
terrible
idea,
but,
as
we
said,
we've
got
a
lot
of
budget
stuff
right
here
this
year.
Thank.
I
You
all
for
listening
to
me
and
and
entertaining
this
again
because
it's
been
one
of
those
things
because
we're
not
allowed
to
talk
to
each
other
I
appreciate
the
suggestions.
I
appreciate,
councilman,
Carlson's
suggestion
about
reading
the
rules,
I
think
it's
going
to
go
a
long
way
towards
you,
know,
kind
of
bringing
things
into
a
more
professional
and
productive
meeting
and
fair
to
everybody
and
I.
Think
everybody's
been
heard.
So
thank.
K
Yeah,
just
just
real
fast,
responding
a
couple
things,
the
the
the
salaries
of
the
staff
that
we
have
are
like
70,
80
000
and
the
staff
that
the
staff
that
are
maybe
some
slightly
higher,
but
this
the
staff
that
are
are
in
charge
of
these
other
things,
they're
getting
like
160,
200
and
they're,
getting
10,
12
raises
and
so
I
think
in
in
the
scale
of
things.
There
are
a
lot
of
positions
that
are
really
really
expensive,
that
probably
shouldn't
be
and
and
within
city
council.
We
can
get
somebody's
reasonably
priced.
K
Also,
there
are
several
staff
members
who
were
supposed
to
be
doing
these
things
representing
the
city
and
it's
obvious
that
they
don't
represent.
City
council
I've
had
ones
that
have
that
we
have
documented
in
public
record
that
they
worked
against
me
and
other
city
council
members
and
I've
had
conversations
with
the
mayor
directly
and
Chief
of
Staff
about
it
and
and
HR
and
others
to
try
to
remedy
the
issues.
But
I
would
I
would
feel
a
lot
more
comfortable
having
somebody
that's
representing
city
council,
there
is
it.
Unfortunately,
there
is
a
difference.
K
The
only
person
that
can
fix
it
is
the
mayor.
She
needs
to
tell
her
staff
to
to
that.
They
rep
that
they
represent
the
city
and
not
not
a
political
directive
of
the
mayor's
office,
and
if
that
happens,
then
we'll,
then
everybody
will
work
together,
but
we
have
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
things
that
have
happened
that
have
not
built
trust
and
and
have
not
been
good,
and
so
we
had
our
own
person
it
would.
It
would
be
a
lot
better
thing.
D
K
Sure,
just
last
week,
I'm
not
going
to
name
names,
but
just
last
week
I
had
someone
who
reports
to
the
mayor
stirring
up
trouble
against
me
in
East
Tampa,
so
on
two
different
subjects.
So
I
filed
my
complaint
and
you
know
if,
if
what
I've
said
to
the
mayor
directly
is
if
my
legislative
Aid
went
to
the
media
or
went
to
the
public
and
trashed
the
mayor,
I
would
fire
her
in
a
second
I've
said
this
in
front
of
her.
D
J
K
K
I
have
people
throughout
the
city
that
tell
me
what
happened.
Remember
what
my
day
job
is.
I
have
people
that
that
I
know
I
know
how
to
find
out.
What's
going
on
and
what
what's
being
said
in
the
community
and
there's,
the
thing
is:
if
we
are
representing
the
city,
if
the
highly
paid
people
are
representing
the
city,
they'll
do
things
differently
than
than
many
of
them
are
doing
it.
K
J
It's
been
a
pleasure
public
comment,
I
mean
when
they
turned
the
cameras
off.
Who
was
it
Lloyd,
copper
said:
turn
them
off.
Remember
that
Charlie
listen
to
me,
you
got
the
rules
on
your
gender
yeah,
you
ain't
filing
them
and
they
wrong.
They
were
supposed
to
wear
it
because
I'm
gonna
call
your
name
out.
You
just
throw
me
out
the
room.
I
got
lawyers
too,
okay
to
throw
me
out
and
I'd
be
making
me
some
man.
J
I
went
to
work
and
I'm
a
businessman
by
the
way:
Mr
Clendenin
for
32
years,
professional
Consulting
engineering
for
so
I'm
in
here
talking
about
business.
Everything
I
come
in
here,
I,
don't
come
down
here.
This
is
my
business.
I
ain't
got
time
to
play.
Man
that's
gonna,
be
on
the
golf
course
read
what
it
say
in
your
rules
really
you're
not
supposed
to
speak
in
the
beginning
of
the
meeting.
Unless
it's
an
item
on
the
agenda,
that's
why
you're
saying
that,
then
you
put
the
item
down.
J
You
ain't
filing
that,
because
if
you
want
to
talk
about
reparations
or
anything,
not
on
the
agenda,
what
your
rules
say,
the
rules
say
right
here:
the
public
address
Council
three
minutes
regarding
any
matter
doing
the
general
public
comment
section
at
the
end
of
registration.
It
ain't
even
on
this
agenda
that
you
gotta
public
speaking
comment
at
the
end
of
the
agenda.
Where
is
that
on
here?
Where's
the
public
comment
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
like
right
now:
okay,
don't
get
me
started
now.
J
I
know
how
all
this
exists,
and
then
it
say
if
you
had
an
order
that
jail
made
the
calling,
if
you're
idle
or,
if
you're,
using
profanity
if
you're
acting
the
food.
The
chair.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Mr
better
Scott
go!
Thank
you
man,
you
know,
but
this
is
what
I'm
saying
man,
okay,
if
you're
following
it
to
the
letter
of
the
law,
everybody
be
out
of
order.
I
get
to
talking
and
here
go
cause.
It
well
I
think
it's
about
to
blah
blah.
Listen
man
be
quiet.
Everybody
finish!
J
J
Okay,
see
be
quiet.
Just
wait!
Wait
all
that's
done!
Then.
You
come
back
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
or
whatever.
Could
that
take
up
time
to
Mr
Clinton
that
take
up
time
when
y'all
talking
it
ain't
got
nothing
to
do
with
nothing
because
you're
feeling
it
where
you
want
a
special
opinion.
I
want
to
stress
mine,
so
look
rules
say
if
it
ain't
on
and
I
buy
bound,
but
I
ain't
down
here
to
worry
about
them.
J
J
C
L
Yes,
ma'am
all
right.
Thank
you
for
this
discussion.
Nancy
Stevens
yeah.
It's
hard
act
to
follow
once
again,
but
yeah
good
to
know
the
rules
are
here
and
I
was
going
to
comment
on
the
30
minutes
and
I,
see
that
is
in
the
rules,
but
I
do
think.
That's
a
bad
idea
limiting
to
30
minutes.
County
Commission!
Does
that
and
and
just
eliminates
people
from
speaking
I
don't
and
I.
You
know
how
does
that?
How
do
you
decide
who
speaks
and
who
doesn't?