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A
B
B
C
A
B
E
Fire
chief
with
temporary
rescue
and
for
continuance
of
this
item
due
to
the
fact
that
I
don't
have
it
in
front
of
me
but
I
believe
I
have
something
similar
on
the
March
agenda
as
well.
So
I
figured
just
to
combine
them
both
together,
but
if
you
all
have
any
questions
up
until
then,
I'll
be
more
than
happy
to
answer.
B
F
Good
afternoon,
Morris
Massey
legal
department
I
know
that
the
agenda
calls
for
revenue
and
finance
Mr
Roof.
Hero
is
unavoidably
out
of
the
office
today,
so
I'm
here
to
make
a
brief
presentation
about
impact
fees
again
and
kind
of
where
all
of
this
may
fit
in
into
the
public
safety
process
that
a
lot
of
which
was
discussed
this
morning.
F
Impact
fees
are
controlled
by
both
a
series
of
case
law
that
exists
under
Florida
law
and
also
a
state
statute,
and
so
what
impact
fees
can
be
used
for
are
for
infrastructure.
Capital
infrastructure
cannot
be
used
for
personnel
costs;
it
cannot
be
used
for
operating
costs.
Also,
impact
fees
can
only
be
used
to
offset
the
demands
or
or
the
need
for
additional
Capital
infrastructure.
F
Necessitated
by
growth,
so
existing
deficiencies
that
may
exist
are
the
need
for
additional
fire
stations
or
additional
vehicles.
At
this
point
in
time,
really
you
can't
pay
out
of
the
out
of
impact
fees.
Impact
fees
have
to
be
geared
to
New
Growth.
Now,
if
you
can
show
that
the
existing
deficiency
and
the
new
growth
together
could
could
be
offset
by
the
use
of
impact
fees
and
that
there
you
could
possibly
use
impact
fees
in
that
than
that
situation,
but
really
impact
fees
are,
are
there
has
it's
called
the
Dual
rational,
Nexus
test?
F
It's
Florida
case
law
basically
demands
that
impact
fees
be
tied
to
the
impacts
that
new
growth
is
having
on
your
infrastructure
and
then
the
infrastructure
that
you're
putting
in
place
with
the
use
of
impact
fees
has
to
have
a
Nexus
to
that
growth.
So
there
have
to
that's
what
they
call
the
Dual
rational
Nexus
test,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure.
F
F
Mr
o'hero
did
reach
out
to
our
consultant,
who
we
would
normally
retain
for
this
type
of
study
to
do
because
under
Florida
law,
we
have
to
do
a
series
of
studies.
Before
we
impose
impact
fees.
One
is
a
a
a
study
to
determine
the
demand
needs
and
then
the
second
is
a
rate
study
to
determine
what
the
proper
rate
would
be
and
really
they.
F
Really
we
need
to
go
through
that
first
and
then
that
can
be
built
upon
in
a
rate
and
and
demonstrate
need,
study
and,
and
then
a
rate
study
would
follow
after
that
to
to
to
be
able
to
develop
an
impact
for
your
Public
Safety.
So.
D
What
you're
saying
is
that,
even
without
doing
it,
we
are
doing
the
first
step?
Yes,
ma'am,
okay,
great
and
that's
exactly
believe
me,
as
you
know,
we're
all
out
a
lot
lately
talking
to
a
lot
of
people
and
I'm
telling
you
that
folks
are
wildly
supportive
of
anything
that
that
helps
provide
extra
person,
power
for
all
of
both
police
and
fire,
and
people
are
saying
folks
are
moving
here.
We
don't
have
enough.
D
We
don't
have
enough
new
police
and
fire
out
to
to
support
and
I
do
know
that
it
would
be
a
capital
cost,
but
I
I
still
think
that
this
is
worth
going
forward
on.
So
I
appreciate
you
letting
us
know
that
it's
already
moving
forward,
even
without
us.
Having
done
anything
so.
Thank
you.
Councilman.
G
You
very
much
yeah
and
I.
You
know
I
I,
I
I,
don't
want
anyone
to
think
that
that
public
impact
fees
in
any
way
would
provide
from
my
understanding
of
it
the
kind
of
Revenue
that
we
would
need
to
Remedy
Our
Public
Safety
deficits,
but
if
this
is
one
tool
that
can
be
that
can
realistically
be
used,
I
think
we
should
explore
that
if
it
can
be
realistically
used
and
and
whatnot
so,
but
we
do
need
to
look
at,
in
my
opinion,
every
tool
that
we
can
to
fund
our
Public
Safety
needs.
G
F
We're
way
for
it
I
mean
this
whole
process
will
take
us
amount
of
time,
because
there's
a
number
of
studies
involved
in
doing
it,
I
think
and
I
think
the
other
thing
I
think
that
Mr
O'hara
would,
like
you
know
to
say
to
you
all.
Is
that
look
you
know
as
as
tpd
and
TFR
go
through
their
planning
and
Analysis
processes.
We
go
through
the
budget
process.
I
think
we're
looking
at
what
are
the
needs?
You
know,
are
we
maximizing
our
current
resources?
Are
we
giving
money
back?
F
H
I
think
for
me
to
to
kind
of
put
a
dent
in
this
when
you
talk
about,
especially
with
fire
right
now,
I
think
what
the
development
is
going
on.
I
see
Mr
Benson
here
with
the
development
is
going
on.
We
need
to
be
dealing
with
these
developers
who
are
building
now
and
asking
how
we
can
partner,
to
put
some
shells
in
some
of
these
places.
I
think
that's
going
to
be
a
catalyst
to
kind
of
help
us
in
some
of
these
pocket
areas
for
fire
rescue.
H
You
know
most
of
our
issues
are
rescue
based,
they're,
not
fire-based,
but
we
do
have
these
big
buildings
now
that
will
need
some
type
of
apparatus,
so
I'm
just
saying
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
these
new
developments.
H
They
come
or
current,
develop
buildings
that
we
can
maybe
lease
out
or
do
something
with
to
where
we
can
have
that
as
a
catalyst
to
catapult
us
to
where
we
need
to
be
at
so
I
hope
that
we're
looking
at
that
Mr
Benson
and
the
fire
chief
as
well
I
think
that's
key
for
fire.
Those
shells
and
I
think
those
bottom
shells
like
other
big
cities.
Have
they
don't
have
big
fire
stations?
H
F
I
won't
look
at
that
into
that,
and
Mr
Goods
I
think
that
we're
having
internal
discussions
on
the
administrative
and
as
these
larger
developers
as
these
developers
come
in,
especially
the
larger
developers,
come
in
and
want
to
development
agreements
and
with
the
city
of
Tampa.
That
is
a
place
where
we
could
potentially
negotiate
with
them
on
certain
space
concessions.
That
sort
of
thing,
and
so
those
are
things
we're
looking
at
I,
believe
that's
part
of
the
process.
B
D
Attack
I
would
I
would
say
not
even
like
consider
I
think
we
should
100
be
negotiating
that
we
have.
We
have
so
much
need
and-
and
we
have
just
approved
several
large
developments
that
have
no
space
for
additional
fire
space
and
there's
just
there's
no
way
so
I
would
I
would
say,
don't
even
try,
but
just
do
I.
F
B
I
Deputy
Administrator
development
and
growth
management.
We
provided
a
memorandum
to
you
related
to
the
motion
for
looking
into
the
possibility
of
creating
one
or
more
entertainment
districts
and
also
the
report
back
on
sound.
This
is
on
those
two
items
when
this
last
left
off
and
just
to
give
a
little
bit
of
history,
there
were
sound
issues
in
the
city
staff
had
put
together.
Some
recommended
changes
to
the
Sound
Ordinance,
but
this
is
chapter
14..
Those
changes
were
passed
later
repealed
and
then
we
were
working
to
hold
some
public
engagement
meetings.
I
Those
engagement
meetings
were
held
on
May
31st,
June,
27th
and
July.
6Th
I
did
provide
some
information
on
who
participated
in
those
and
what
the
main
concerns
that
we
heard
with
that
as
well
and
then
shared
with
you,
enforcement
statistics
related
to
numbers
of
complaints
and
numbers
of
citations
related
to
sound
over
the
past
four
years.
At
the
present
time,
staff
is
not
recommending
any
changes
to
either
the
Sound
Chapter
14
or
for
the
creation
of
of
a
special
district.
J
At
least
in
my
motion,
sound
was
not
an
issue
I'm,
not
sure
why
that
came
back
up,
but
the
the
issue
is
that
Ybor
city
is
not
going
to
be
an
Entertainment
District
in
five
years
or
ten
years.
It's
it's.
There
will
be
entertainment
there.
You
know
every
time
the
sound
thing
comes
up
or
somebody
talks
about
this.
There's
people
that
panic
and
think
everything's
going
to
be
shut
down.
J
The
market
forces
are
changing
Ebor
and
it's
not
by
City
regulation
or
anything,
but
as
people
buy
buildings
that
they
just
decide
to
put
different
things
in
them.
There's
no,
it's
not
going
to
be
the
party
District
anymore.
There
still
will
be
nightlife
and
bars
and
restaurants,
but
it's
not
going
to
be
the
crazy
late
night
parting
place
in
10
years
for
sure
South
Howard.
J
For
more
than
10
years,
the
neighbors
have
objected
to
the
parting
that
goes
on
at
South
Howard,
and
that
has
become
the
place
that
has
kind
of
replaced
Ebor
in
the
last
few
years,
and
we
can't
we
can't
just
leave
it
there
like
that,
and
so
we
have
have
to
find
another
place
and
so
I
don't
know
what
we
need
to
do
to
move
this
forward.
But
we
don't
have
a
choice
as
a
community.
J
If
we
want
young
people
to
stay
here
and
to
come
back,
we
have
to
find
an
Entertainment
District,
because
those
two
will
not
be
entertainment.
Districts,
they're,
they're,
nobody's
going
to
touch
their
liquor
license
or
their
property
rights
or
anything
else.
But
the
neighbors
around
around
South
Howard
are
not
going
to
allow
that
to
continue
to
be
the
late
night.
J
J
To
come
back,
I,
don't
know
this
feeling,
maybe
you
and
I
can
meet
in
the
in
the
meantime,
but
and
we'll
see
what
happens
whether
who's,
who,
which
ones
of
us
are
still
here
but
I,
would
like
to
just
have
this
come
back
to
the
workshop
on
August
31st,
to
discuss
it
more
deeply
and
then,
and
then
maybe
Mr,
maybe
you
and
you
and
Nicole
and
and
and
Stephen
Benson
and
I
can
meet
and
talk
about
it
and
I
would
encourage
anybody
else.
We've
got
somewhere.
J
We've
got
to
find
an
Entertainment
District
cities,
most
cities
plan
for
it,
so
that
it'll
be
in
an
industrial
area,
so
there
won't
be
sound
problems
and
and
not
having
one
is
just
not
acceptable
because
our
city
won't
be
able
to
grow,
we'll
lose
all
of
our
young
people.
Thank
you.
H
B
H
Yes,
sir
Mr
Causeway,
you
are
100
right,
I've
always
said:
I've
called
Ybor
City,
that's
our
entertainment.
When
I
go
to
other
states
and
places
they
always
holler
about
people.
H
A
thriving
city
has
to
have
a
place
where
people
can
go.
We're
talking
about
having
doing
work
on
a
big
convention
center
and
you've
got
water
work.
Channel
people
want
to
go
to
a
place
after
they
get
to
work.
Having
meetings
to
have
a
cigar,
a
drink,
here's
some
music,
that's
a
thriving
seat,
I,
don't
care
anybody
says.
So
we
have
to
find
an
area
that
could
be
an
Entertainment
District
for
this
city.
Ebola
is
changing.
H
I,
don't
know,
there's
going
to
change
that
fast,
but
it
is
gradually
change
one
of
the
family
style
type,
Cafe
type
thing,
but
to
me
that
in
my
opinion,
it
hurts
Deborah
to
do
that,
because
people
know
eboard
to
be
a
place
of
historicism
people
know.
E-Board
is
a
place
to
have
a
good
time
and
party.
You
know,
I'm,
not
a
fortune,
teller
and
Mr
Carlson
could
be
right.
It
could
be
going
away
in
about
10
years,
I
I
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
so,
but
it
could.
H
But
we
do
need
to
find
a
place
in
the
city
that
you
could
have
a
a
Entertainment
District.
So
people
could
have
your
bars
your
clubs
and
then
you
want
to
have
a
license
to
go.
You
want
a
drink
party,
that's
where
you
need
to
go
away
from
the
sound
from
neighborhoods,
I,
I
and
you're
right
other
places
have
those
areas
and
when
you
go
to
those
towns,
everyone,
where
does
everybody
go?
They
go
to
the
Midtown
area.
K
I
was
thinking
about
where
this
place
could
go
and
I,
don't
know
if
you
considered
it.
What
about
Drew
Park
Drew
Park
had
some
residential,
but
if
you
look
at
a
lot
it's
you
know
it's
warehouses
and
other
you
know
type
of
places,
but.
J
K
K
B
Anywhere
else
before
we
go
into
the
the
yeah.
I
They
ask
a
point
of
clarification:
please:
okay,
so
I'm,
just
I'm,
listening
to
what
you
all
are
saying
in
in
my
head,
trying
to
absorb
a
lot
of
this,
because,
as
you
know-
and
we
was
talked
about
this
morning
with
the
comp
plan
update,
we
have
less
than
four
percent
vacant
land
in
our
city.
We
continue
to
propose
mixed
use
along
these
corridors,
and
now
I
feel
like
you're
saying
create
another
place
is
I
just
want
some
clarification,
you're
saying
that
the
Entertainment
District
you're
looking
for
is
not
currently
within
the
boundaries
of
eboard.
I
I
J
J
You
know
3
A.M
kind
of
stuff
that's
been
going
on,
and,
and
and-
and
probably
all
of
us
have
great
experiences
in
that
a
long
time
ago,
but
it's
not
up
to
the
city
to
change
that
the
market
forces
are
changing
it
because,
as
as
some
of
these
nightclubs
shut
down,
people
are
buying
the
buildings
and
they're
putting
different
uses
in
them
and
so
eboard.
Just
because
of
the
the
preference
of
the
new
owners
is
going
to
radically
change.
J
There
still
will
be
all
it's,
there
still
will
be
entertainment,
but
it's
not
going
to
be
the
party
District.
It's
not
going
to
be
the
big
Entertainment
District
that
it
has
in
the
past.
There'll
be
all
kinds
of
entertainment
there,
but
it's
you
won't.
It
won't
be
just
a
destination
for
entertainment.
It
will
be
a
neighborhood
again,
you
know
in
the
50s
there
was
entertainment,
but
it
wasn't
the
Entertainment
District.
J
It
was
an
artificial
thing
that
was
built
for
about
20
years
and
so
same
thing
with
South
Howard,
the
the
the
land
and
the
land
entitlements
and
the
and
the
the
alcohol
licenses
they
have
to
be
protected.
But
in
that
case,
what's
happening
is
that
neighbors
are
not
going
to
tolerate
it
anymore.
They
they're
that
we
continue
to
have
complaints,
at
least
on
the
northern
part
of
South
Howard
north
of
Morrison
and
and
and
the
neighbors
are
not
going
to
accept
it.
H
H
To
me,
eboard
is
kind
of
like
the
the
Melting
Pot
for
everybody.
You
could
say
a
lot
of
people
on
the
east
side.
Don't
go
to
South
Howard.
A
lot
of
people
go
on
the
North
day
and
don't
go
to
South
Tower,
but
pretty
much.
Everybody
goes
to
airport
again.
I,
don't
see
evil
changing
that
fat.
I
know
a
lot
of
investors
are
buying,
it
could
change,
but
we
got
to
be
prepared
to.
Where
do
some
of
these
people
go
because
a
lot
of
these
folks
may
lose
jobs?
H
So
you
know
when
you
talk
about
a
wine
tasting
place.
You
know
you're
talking
about
you
and
a
lady
friend
or
your
wife,
and
it's
nice
quiet,
music
versus
some
people.
You
know
you
want
to
go
out.
You
want
to
jump
around
the
music's
loud,
but
we
have
to
make
sure
when
you
do
this
when
people
move
in
there
and
it
doesn't
change
because
to
me
if
I
bought
property
in
eboard
or
or
I
bought
a
place
in
eboard
well,
hell
I
already
knew
that
eboard
has
loud
music.
H
So
now,
five
years
later,
I
want
to
come
complain
about
the
music,
but
when
I
bought
it
I
already
knew
live
music.
Was
there
and
I'm
being
honest?
You
know
that's
what
we
have
now
you
people
have
bought
stuff
and
now
we're
complaining,
but
you
knew
that
when
you
bought
it,
you
knew
what
you
bought
when
you
bought
it
at
so
sounds
like
a
double-edged
sword.
H
But
again
things
do
change,
but
I
do
think
that
we
do
have
to
look
at
the
future
to
find
areas
that
will
be
away
from
that
to
where
it
helps
the
police
out
better.
They
can
control
better,
it's
controlled
better
and
you
want
those
licenses.
You
want
to
do
certain
certain.
What
is
your
entertainment
when
you
file
for
business
license
in
the
city?
Is
it
late
night?
What
is
it?
It's?
A
small
Winery!
Well,
you
can't
be
here.
H
L
Susan
Johnson
Velez
legal
department
so
just
to
follow
up
on
on
some
of
Abby's
questions
so
and
I
do
want
to,
and
this
won't
be
the
first
time
you've
heard
me
say
it,
but
I
know
that
people
refer
to
the
South
Howard
areas
and
Entertainment
District
and
Ybor,
but
there
is
no
Entertainment
District
defined
in
Our
Land
Development
code,
currently
or
anywhere
in
our
code.
The
two
areas,
Ybor
historic
district
and
Arena
District-
are
two
areas
where
sound
is
measured
differently.
L
It's
measured
on
a
decibel
level
standard,
whereas
the
plainly
audible
standard
is
what's
used
everywhere
else
in
the
city.
So
aside
from
sound
level
or
noise
is
what
I
hear
Council
mainly
focusing
on,
but
what
other
things
just
for
purposes
of
us
trying
to
hone
in
and
focus
on
on
what
you're
asking
us?
What
other
things
do
you
hope
to
accomplish
in
this
Entertainment
District?
Would
there
be
different
guidelines?
Is
it
just
sound
that
you're
worried
about,
or
is
it
concentration
of
bars
and
nightclubs
and
I.
H
Think
so,
what's
Chipmunks
I
think
so
I
think
you
have
to
look
at
it
all.
You
know
what
is
it?
What
is
an
entertainment?
What
do
other
cities
do
as
they
Define
an
Entertainment
District?
Is
it
the
late
night
hours?
You
know
some
nice
little
Wireless
May
close
about
nine
or
ten
o'clock.
You
know
if
you're
after
hours
plays,
you
know
which
those
young
people
want
to
come
out
late
night.
You
know
that
will
be
defined
as
an
entertainment
area.
H
You
know
if
you're
saying
yourself
to
open
up
for
late
night,
drinking
or
whatever
party,
whatever
or
out
outside
dance
whatever,
but
I
think
you
need
to
look
at
what
other
cities
are
doing,
decided
to
find
an
Entertainment
District
and
then
see
how?
Where
would
that
fit
into
the
city
and
again
you're
averaging
the
noise
as
well?
That
way
you
might
have
to
Amplified
Sound
Outside.
You
know
a
lot
of
times.
You
look
I,
look
at
gas
prices,
prime
example.
H
You
know
so
I
think
I
Entertainment
District
that
could
be
outside
would
have
those
kind
of
amenities,
well
that
you
can
have
that
Amplified
sound
I,
find
music
and
I
just
think
that
we
just
gotta
research
what
others
are
doing
and
look
at
what
their
successes
and
failures
are,
and
they
see
how
we
could
bring
that
here.
Okay,
thank.
J
I
think,
just
to
save
time
today,
it
would
be
great
for
you
to
maybe
I
for
sure
would
like
to
talk
to
you
offline
about
it,
and
maybe
you
would
want
to
talk
to
my
colleagues
too.
We
could
host
a
town
hall
meeting
or
something
if
you
want
I'm
happy
to
help
with
that,
but
it
there
are
a
lot
of
issues
and
what
we
might
want
to
do
is
go
meet
with
some
of
the
neighborhoods
around
South
Howard,
so
you
can
hear
directly
from
them
and
their
concerns,
but
an
example.
J
If
a
pizza
place
is
selling
pizza
and
and
people
are
walking
through
neighborhoods
and
throwing
pizza
boxes
in
their
yards
or
they're
real
or
perceived
perception
of
crime,
the
traffic,
a
fear
of
people
driving
drunk,
there's,
there's
all
kinds
of
stuff
that
people
have
concerns
about,
and
and
I
don't
know,
but
it
almost
every
neighborhood
has
some
kind
of
alcohol
establishment.
So
it's
not
it's
not
about
not
having
any
entertainment.
It's
just
high
concentrations
of
entertainment
and
these
two
problems
are
different.
J
J
It's
owners
of
buildings
who
are
deciding
to
put
different
tenants
inside,
and
so
there
still
will
be
entertainment,
but
the
the
point
is
that
if
we
don't
create
another
place
where
they
can
go-
and
maybe
you
would
come,
maybe
after
all
this
we'd
come
back
and
say
well,
it's
dispersed
in
several
places,
but
if
we
don't
create
some
place
for
it
to
go
then
then
then
it
could
cause
problems
in
the
future,
because
our
young
people
will
say
this
is
a
boring
place.
J
B
B
B
B
When
I
asked
for
this
Sound
Ordinance
I
wanted
a
blanket
on
the
city
where
noise
would
go
down
do
within
reasonable
levels
to
where
the
next
door
neighbor
could
go
to
sleep
for
work
the
next
day,
all
across
the
city
and
then
carve
out
sections
Channel,
District,
Ybor,
City
part
Howard
Avenue,
but
the
key.
In
my
opinion,
there
is
sound
Amplified
when
it
ends,
so
these
bars
and
restaurants
are
starting
to
encroach
the
residential
areas
that
people
living
around
them
could
get
a
decent
night's
sleep
for
their
work.
A
B
H
I
To
a
consensus
on
that,
yes,
we're
gonna,
try
again
and
we'll
bring
to
you
and
I
think
we
originally
brought
to
you
what
city
of
Clearwater
had
done.
Then
they
just
pulled
back
what
city
of
Orlando
had
done
in
relation
to
Church
Street,
and
then
they
just
pulled
back
so
we
we
had
provided
some
of
that
information
during
our
first
effort,
but
we'll
do.
B
J
Anybody
for
anybody
who
didn't
get
the
joke
was
a
late
night
DJ
playing
punk
rock
music.
That's.
B
That's
that's
a
song
by
the
jam.
Anybody
knows
Dead
Silence
crickets,
all
right
where,
where
are
we
at
now
we're
at
Agenda
number,
eight
file,
number
c
I'm,
22-78004,
Mr
Benson
could.
J
Could
I
just
set
okay,
Mr
Benson
we
just
to
save
time,
I
read
through
the
presentation,
maybe
everybody
else
did.
The
only
question
that
I
had
here
is
is
what
areas
is
it
possible?
You
could
just
skip
to
a
map
and
show
us
what
areas
might
it
make
sense
to
to
allow
up
to
the
fa
limit?
One
of
your
questions
in
there
is
is:
are
we
trying
to
restrict
or
limit
it
to
the
fa,
and
that's
not
the
intent
of
this
the
antennas?
J
There
are
some
places
like
Dale
Mabry,
where
it
might
make
sense
to
allow
by
right
the
fa
limit,
so
that
developers
wouldn't
have
to
spend
hundreds
of
thousand
dollars
coming
before
us
and
wasting
our
time
and
and
also
maybe
parts
of
Channel
District,
but
is
there
like
conclusion?
Is
there
any?
Are
there
any
areas
adjacent
to
areas
that
have
density
that
you
think
it
would
make
sense
to
allow
this
or
not.
M
M
that
might
impact
one
neighborhood
in
a
variety
of
different
ways.
It
could
be
30
feet
and
then
all
the
way
up
to
70
feet
purely
based
upon
where
the
FAA
limit
is
in
addition
to
that,
the
aviation
Authority,
the
board
of
adjustment
can
waive
it
so
I
think
there's
the
conversation
of
setting
it
to
the
FAA
and
does
that
make
sense
neighborhood
by
neighborhood
and
looking
at
where
those
buffers
impact
certain
neighborhoods
and
what
might
be
compatible
or
not.
M
But
unfortunately,
the
areas
where
we
have
the
most
density
and
intensity
in
the
comprehensive
plan
are
with
are
very
close
to
either
Peter
o
Knight
or
temp
International.
So
we're
not
prepared
to
recommend
it
because
we
really
need
to
look
at
A.
Fine
grain
level
at
each
of
those
different
neighborhoods
to
figure
out
is
the
FAA
limit
50
feet
here.
Is
it
90
feet
because.
M
M
If
you
direct
us
to
move
forward
with
increasing
the
bonus
and
taking
the
affordable
housing
approach
with
that,
it's
going
to
affect
again
what
areas
of
the
city
are
going
to
be
bumping
up
against
the
FAA
so
that
it
might
change
when
we
come
back
with
the
future
Linux
recommendations
at
your
Workshop
in
the
fall.
That's
yeah.
J
And
that's:
what's
changing
and
the
whole
point
in
it,
I
set
the
fa
limit
as
a
as
an
arbitrary
limit,
because
that's
not
one
that
we
control
that
board
at
the
I.
Think
the
aviation
Authority
is
sitting
as
the
board
of
Aviation
of
fa.
Approval
decides
that,
but
but
anyway,
the
the
idea
would
be
to
allow
by
right
developers
in
certain
areas
like
between
Dale
Mabry,
between
275
and
Kennedy.
Just
took
one
block
either
direction
to
go
up
to
a
larger
height.
M
We
we
can
continue
this,
but
I
I
would
still
like
to
caution
that
I
don't
know
that
we
will
have
recommendations
at
that
point
because
the
future
land
use
map
changes
or
if
the
entitlements
in
the
future
Lane
uses
change.
Then
the
recommendations
are
going
to
change
because
we're
going
to
be
increasing
what
can
be
built
in
that
land
use
category.
M
M
J
I
Done
tremendous
we
had
some,
we
have
some
questions
at
the
end,
really
trying
to
understand
what
the
objective
of
raising
those
Heights
are
because,
right
now,
if
we
raise
the
Heights
and
we
create
a
volume,
the
land
uses,
don't
give
you
enough
density
to
get
there.
So
that's
the
challenge
that
we're
at
if
you
have
a
CMU
35
and
you
only
get
an
far
A2,
but
your
building
could
be
400
feet,
you'll
never
get
there
because
you
don't
have
enough
entitlement
to
fill
to
fill
the
volume.
I
So
I
think
that's
where,
as
we
prepared
for
this
between
planning
and
zoning
and
we
all
sat
down
working
together,
the
questions
came
up.
What's
the
real
objective,
by
allowing
this,
interestingly
enough,
the
rooms
to
go
at
the
corner
of
Dale,
Mabry
and
boy
scout,
which
you
would
think
wow
that
would
have.
If
we
raise
that
to
FAA
the
FAA
limit,
there
is
22
feet.
It
had
to
get
a
height
variance
from
the
FAA
to
be
at
the
height
it's
actually
at.
I
So
it
gets
a
little
bit
complex
and
that's
why
I
think
we
can
continue
to
work
on
it.
But
we
have
some
questions
as
to
okay:
what's
the
real
objective
behind
trying
to
raise
it
to
FAA,
is
it
to
avoid
variances
it
to
avoid
waivers
PDS,
or
is
there
some
other
intent
you're
trying
to
achieve,
because
that's
how
we
would
like
to
follow
back
with
you.
J
M
No,
the
the
FAA,
if,
if
I
I,
promise
to
be
brief,
if
I
could
go
ahead
because
I
think
I
can
get
through
this
pretty
quickly,
we
need
to
start
at
the
comprehensive
plane
level
like
what
Abby
just
mentioned,
because
that
is
what
actually
gives
you
the
bulk
and
the
intensity
to
get
to
FAA
or
not
get
to
FAA
or
even
to
exceed
FAA
the
buffers
on
the
map.
Those
show
you
at
the
center,
it's
30
feet
at
the
very
edge
where
it's
the
darkest
screen.
M
It's
210.,
it's
about
half
the
city
and
projects
that
exceed
that,
and
there
are
examples
in
here
of
projects
in
some
of
these
areas
that
are
controlled
by
FAA,
but
also
not
controlled
by
FAA
that
are
exceeding
FAA.
So
those
even
if
we
matched
to
FAA,
they
would
still
come
in
as
a
waiver,
because
you'd
have
to
go
back
to
the
variance
and
get
it
approved
from
the
aviation
Authority.
M
So
just
talking
through
what
these
areas
are
on
the
left
side,
the
pink
area,
all
of
it,
there
is
West
Shore
overlay,
so
that's
already
covered
by
Westshore
overlay.
That
has
that
that
aligns
with
FAA,
so
that's
along
Dale
Mabry,
it's
along
Kennedy
and
it's
primarily
the
commercial
Corridor.
So
that's
already
set
on
the
right
side
of
the
map
in
the
buffer
zones.
M
You
see
Harbor
Island
there
on
the
bottom
channels,
District
on
the
right,
the
big,
the
big
piece
on
the
right
on
the
west
side
of
the
river,
it's
the
area
south
of
the
University
of
Tampa
and
then
on
the
the
north
side
of
that
cluster.
It's
Encore,
which
again
has
already
been
entitled
it's
already
coming
through
the
process
and
then
the
heights
Redevelopment
area
which
you're
already
seeing
those
projects
come
through
beyond
that,
there's
not
a
whole
lot.
That's
going
to
hit
24
floors
and
hit
FAA
the
two
pieces
that
don't
really
fall
into
this.
M
It's
Busch
Gardens
to
the
North
and
then
a
small
parcel
out
east
on
Adamo
and
50th.
Those
are
the
only
projects
that
can
hit
up
to
24
floors
and
that
would
be
triggering
the
FAA
waiver.
When
we
go
down
a
level
is
where
I
think
we're
getting
into
the
areas
that
you
were
specifically
mentioning
so
Kennedy
Boulevard
pops
up.
These
are
projects
that
can
get
generally
up
to
10
floors.
M
But
if
you
look
at
how
the
buffer
line
is
drawn
across
Kennedy
in
the
center
of
Kennedy
around
MacDill,
that's
three
times
as
high
that
the
FAA
lets
you
go
to
as
opposed
to
the
edges
near
downtown
and
Westward.
Do
you
really
want
three
times
as
high
of
a
of
a
height
set
for
the
middle
of
Kennedy,
as
opposed
to
the
edges
that
are
closer
to
downtown
and
Westshore?
M
It
just
gets
a
little
complicated,
especially
when
you
look
at
what
neighborhoods
are
immediately
to
the
north
and
immediately
to
the
South
again
looking
at
the
rest
of
the
areas,
the
rest
of
Busch
Gardens
lights
up
and
the
Sulfur
Springs
area.
That
is
a
TOD
node.
That
is
the
Kmart
on
the
west
side
of
the
interstate.
The
dog
track
on
the
east
side.
M
I
think
that's
an
opportunity
potential
to
look
at
and
then
the
pink,
the
pink
there
just
north
of
West
Shore
is
the
area
around
one
Buck
place
and
then
to
the
South.
You
can
see
that
Dale,
Mabry
and
Gandhi
and
then
everything
along
Gandhi
going
west
picking
up
Westshore
Marina
District.
That
is
also
getting
up
to
10
floors.
M
So
that
would
be
probably
part
of
the
discussion
and
then
the
remainder
of
what
you
see
on
the
map
were
just
the
commercial
corridors
throughout
the
city,
less
of
an
issue
but
I
think
some
of
the
waivers
that
you're
seeing
are
still
in
these
areas
and
it's
still
irrelevant.
If
I
can
just
show
you
an
example
of
the
central
business
district
on
the
South
Side
FAA
gets
you
up
to
70
feet
along
sort
of
Amalie
Arena
Shelby
Park.
Once
you
get
to
the
North
End
of
downtown
up
towards
the
interstate,
that's
up
to
130..
M
M
This
is
the
West
Shore
overlay.
Again
it's
tied
to
FAA,
but
it
starts
at
30
feet
around
International
Plaza,
but
you
can
theoretically
get
up
to
110
feet.
If
you
look
way
out
east
on
Hillsborough
and
Himes,
that
portion
of
the
overlay
can
go
to
110.,
so
it
isn't
necessarily
consistent
and
it's
not
necessarily
going
to
align
with
what
the
vision
is
for
each
of
these
neighborhoods
and
then
here's
the
Kennedy
Boulevard
example.
M
This
is
the
Midtown
Tower,
which
you
saw
recently.
The
underlying
zoning
was
CI.
So
that's
45
feet.
That's
the
dash
green
line!
Again,
it's
West
Shore
overlay,
so
it
lets
you
go
up
to
whatever
the
FAA
sets.
That's
90
feet,
but
look
at
the
actual
project.
They
overshot
that
and
they
had
to
go
to
to
get
a
variance
from
the
aviation
Authority
Board
of
adjustments.
M
So
it
ended
up
coming
back
to
you
anyway,
even
though
that's
in
an
area
that's
already
controlled
by
FAA
Kennedy
Boulevard
2121,
West
Kennedy,
that
was
a
recent
project.
Again,
the
underlying
zoning
gets
you
to
45
feet.
It's
the
Kennedy
overlay,
so
that's
the
umu
60.
It
gets
you
up
to
10
floors
in
height,
but
the
FAA
would
be
130
in
this
area.
M
So
so
this
is
one
where
it
would
have
would
have
probably
been
within
what
FAA
would
say
and
then
the
last
example
I
want
to
show
you
is
Boulevard
and
Cleveland.
The
FAA
was
110
and
they
ended
up
coming
in
with
260.
so
again
that
one
had
to
get
approval
from
the
FAA,
but
it
would
not.
That
waiver
would
not
have
gone
away
that
wouldn't
have
been
a
buy
right
project.
It
wouldn't
necessarily
save
any
time
because
they
were
going
to
exceed
in
any
way
so
well.
M
What
we
were
trying
to
figure-
and
the
conversation
we
just
had
initially
was.
Is
this
a
comp
plan
issue,
or
is
it
a
zoning
issue,
because
we
really
need
to
start
the
comp
plan
to
make
sure
that
if
you
do
decide
to
increase
the
entitlements
for
a
bonus
only
what
areas
is
that
going
to
be
in?
What
are
those
nodes
that
we
talked
about
earlier
today
that
you're
going
to
provide
the
additional,
affordable
housing
bonus?
And
where
is
that
going
to
actually
get
you
up
to
FAA?
M
That's
the
conversation
that
should
happen
first,
because
if
we
just
try
to
fix
this
now
we're
going
to
end
up
potentially
changing
it
in
September
and
then
just
a
question
of.
Are
we
trying
to
discourage
projects
for
vaccine
I?
Think
you
answered
these,
but
without
understanding
where
we're
going
to
go
from
the
land
use
perspective.
Whatever
recommendation
we
would
have
for
you
today
or
in
September,
wouldn't
really
be
relevant.
B
D
D
J
M
J
B
M
N
B
E
B
D
B
D
I,
just
this
was
supposed
to
be
a
presentation
of
both
staff
and
the
representatives
from
the
stakeholder
group
staff
wanted
to
continue
this
for
their
part,
but
the
stakeholders
were
were
prepared
and
ready.
So
we're
going
to
listen
to
hear
what
the
stakeholders
have
to
say
about
about
this
pure
project
and
the
best
and
worst
case
scenarios
of
continuing
with
the
water
status
quo
and
talking
also
about
Senate
Bill,
64
minimum
flows
and
on
the
Hillsborough
River
and
drought
proofing.
The
reservoir.
O
O
I
spent
my
career
in
Water,
Resources
management
and
I
worked
for
nearly
30
years
for
the
southwest
Florida
Water
Management
District,
where
I
retired,
as
a
chief
environmental
scientist,
Barb,
worked
on
minimum
flows,
specializing
in
freshwater
flow
to
estuaries,
I
worked
on
the
minimum
flowist
or
the
Hillsborough
River
Sulfur
Springs
and
the
Tampa
bypass
canal
and
just
as
importantly,
I
worked
on
the
water
use
permits
for
the
City
of
Tampa
for
withdrawals
in
those
systems
and
given
to
previous
Council
discussion.
O
I
would
point
out,
for
the
last
27
years,
I've
been
a
bluegrass
music
programmer
at
wmf
in
Tampa
we
didn't
break
any
banjos
in
so
thank
Our
Stars
for
that.
Well,
today,
I'm
representing
a
citizen
stakeholders
group
that
the
water
city
water
department
has
facilitated
since
December
2020.
we've
met
with
the
city
water
department
of
probably
about
20
times,
and
we've
been
following
closely.
The
city's
plans
and
options
for
rerouting
and
reusing
reclaimed.
Water
from
the
Howard
F
current
wastewater
treatment
plant
that
now
discharges
to
Tampa
Bay.
O
As
you
know,
Senate
Bill
64
that
was
passed
by
the
Florida
legislature
in
2021,
requires
utilities
to
largely
eliminate
surface
water
discharges
of
treated
Wastewater
from
facilities
such
as
the
Howard
F
Curran
plant.
Our
stakeholders
group
has
been
following
how
the
city
can
meet
the
requirements
of
this
bill,
and
that's
what
I'll
be
speaking
to
you
about
briefly
today.
O
In
that
regard,
the
city
has
identified
three
factors
they
must
address.
With
regard
to
Senate
Bill
64
versus
maintaining
the
status
quo.
Those
three
factors
are:
they
have
to
meet
the
requirements
of
the
bill.
It's
the
water,
Department's
understanding
to
meet
the
requirements
of
Senate
Bill
64.
They
have
to
eliminate
an
average
of
50
million
gallons
of
water
of
discharge
from
Howard
F
current
plant
per
year.
An
average
and
reroute
is
somewhere
else.
O
You'll
hear
me,
say:
MGD
that
stands
for
million
gallons
per
day,
again
50
million
gallons
of
water
per
day
to
meet
the
requirements
of
the
statute.
Secondly,
the
two
principal
purposes
of
this
are
to
meet
the
minimum
flows
for
the
lower
Hillsboro
River.
To
provide
flow
to
the
river
below
the
dam
when
there
otherwise
would
be
no
flow,
and
the
third
purpose
would
be
to
help
drought
proof
the
reservoir
during
the
dry
season.
O
So
here
we
have
on
the
screen,
of
course,
the
city
of
Tampa's
dams,
about
10
miles
Upstream
from
the
mouth
of
the
Hillsborough
River,
the
Howard
F
current
discharge
treatment
plant.
As
that
hookers
point
about
2.5
miles,
south
of
the
mouth
of
the
Hillsborough
River
directly
Ops
on
into
sudden
Channel
opposite
the
southern
tip
of
Davis
Islands.
O
The
next
slide.
Please
I
want
to
show
you
this.
To
give
you
some
good
perspective.
These
are
monthly
discharges
from
the
Howard
F
current
wastewater
treatment
plant
from
2013
into
about
May
of
2021..
You
can
see
that
it
does
vary
somewhat
seasonally
and
what
I
have
there?
The
orange
line
is
a
reference
line.
That's
50
MGD,
that's
the
average
quantity
of
discharge.
The
city
would
have
to
eliminate
at
this
location
and
reroute
to
be
in
compliance
with
Senate
bill
64..
O
One
thing
I
want
to
point
out
with
this
regard
is
that
this
discharge
has
been
functioning
actually
quite
well,
as
you
know,
to
the
Wilson
Grizzle
Bill
and
Grizzle
fig
Bill,
the
city
of
Tampa
had
to
upgrade
their
water
treatment
plant
to
tertiary
treatment
standards.
It
has
you
know
it's
very
good.
Tampa
Bay
has
been
a
success
story.
There
are
many
ecological
parameters
have
been
improving
for
decades
in
large
part
to
the
the
treatment
of
the
Senate.
The
Howard
F
current
plant
now
in
the
last
couple
years
has
been
a
little
downturn
in
seagrass
coverage.
O
All
the
seagrass
long
term
has
been
increasing.
We
can
come
back
to
that,
but
this
water
treatment
plant
has
been
functioning
very
well
and
Tampa.
Bay
has
been
doing
well
in
itself
next
slide,
please
before
we
go
think
about
the
next
slide.
Let
me
just
speak
generally
about
Senate
Bill
64..
Let's
keep
in
mind
about
85
to
90
percent
of
the
State
of
Florida
gets
its
public
Supply
from
groundwater
from
Wells.
O
That's
what's
typically
done
in
Florida
and
I
think
this
bill
might
fit
that
cause
pretty
well,
if
you're,
a
small
community
in
southern
Polk,
County
and
with
awkward
stress,
that's
one
thing,
but
this
bill
is
an
awkward
fit
for
utilities
that
use
Rivers
for
water
supply.
It
really
has
a
difficulty
in
being
applied.
Well,
if
you
use
a
river
for
water
supply,
the
city
has
been
temp
has
been
doing
for
over
100
years.
O
What
I
want
to
show
you
is
this
next
graphic
I
got
this
from
the
southwest
Florida
Water,
Management
District,
but
I
put
the
words
in
at
the
top
in
yellow.
These
are
the
numbers
of
no
flow
days
at
the
Hillsborough
River
Dam.
Let
me
first
point
out
water
flow
records
that
the
dam
go
back
to
the
1940s
and
prior
to
1970s.
There
was
always
flow
over
the
dam,
but
as
water
supply
increased,
we
started
to
get
no
flow
days.
So
what
you
see
in
those
no
flow
days?
O
Those
are
the
days
that
minimum
flows
would
be
in
effect.
Let
me
first
stop
and
just
say
for
a
second,
though,
that
the
existing
regulatory
minimum
flows
to
the
river
can
be
met
with
existing
Water,
Resources,
Sulfur,
Springs,
blue
sink
and
the
Tampa
bypass
Canal.
The
existing
Water
Resources
can
meet
the
existing
regulatory
manipulates
for
the
lower
Hillsborough
River.
O
The
important
thing
to
point
out
in
this
graphic,
though,
is
look
at
how
much
variability,
how
much
difference
there
is
between
years
and
how
many
times
there's
no
flow
days
at
the
dam
again,
the
vertical
bars
represent
the
numbers
of
no
flow
days
at
the
dam
the
highest
we
ever
saw
was
in
the
year.
2000
was
over
300
days
of
no
flow,
also
notice.
There
was
a
very
you
hear.
Brad
Baird
talk
about
this,
a
very
pronounced
dry
period
from
2006
to
2010.
We
had
a
number
of
dry
years,
but
look
at
the
wet
years.
O
O
in
2014.
There's
only
31
days
of
no
flow
in
2015,
there
was
36
days
of
no
flow,
so
for
those
two
years
in
a
row
you
had
about
330
days
in
the
year
when
there
was
no
need
for
minimal
flows.
So
this
basic
thing
for
reclaimed
water.
We
simply
didn't
need
it.
There's
tremendous
variation
from
ear
to
ear
on
how
often
reclaimed
water
is
going
to
be
new
for
minimal
flows.
Similarly,
this
has
very
good
application
to
water
supply.
O
When
there's
flow
over
the
dam,
the
city
can
completely
meet
their
water
supply
needs
with
the
Hillsborough
River.
So
in
2015
and
2013,
you
had
two
years
in
a
row
where
the
city
could
meet
its
water
supply
days
for
an
average
of
330
days
per
year.
So
if
that's
the
case,
your
two
principal
needs
to
reclaim
water
minimum
flows
and
drop
you
off
in
the
reservoir.
O
You
don't
need
for
nearly
most
of
the
year
in
years,
so
this
is
kind
of
the
problem,
so
normally
in
water
management,
you
want
to
adjust
your
operations
based
on
climatic
conditions.
That's
kind
of
water
management,
101
Senate,
Bill
64,
which
requires
a
city
to
eliminate
an
average
of
50
MGT,
really
doesn't
account
for
that.
So
the
question
would
be:
where
is
this
water
going
to
go
when
there's
no
need
for
minimum
flows
or
drop
proof?
O
The
reservoir,
the
cities
looked
at
various
options
and
one
of
the
options
they
consider
is
called
aquifer,
storage
and
Recovery.
Where
you
pump
water
into
the
ground
during
wet
periods,
you
take
it
back
up
in
dry
periods.
They
do
that
now
with
river
water,
that
they
treat
using
domestic
Wastewater
is
a
whole
different,
more
complicated
situation.
There
are
compounds
in
treated
domestic
Wastewater,
you
have
to
be
cautious
about.
It
would
require
considerable
water
treatment
and
expense,
and
you
have
to
build
the
instruction
the
infrastructure
pin,
reclaimed
injection
Wells
and
Recovery
Wells.
O
My
only
point,
you
don't
want
to
make
a
mistake
with
the
Floridan
aquifer.
My
point
in
telling
you
with
this
is
that
to
do
these
sorts
of
things
to
reroute,
this
50
mg
is
going
to
cost
money
and
it's
important.
Let's
only
do
that
to
extend
that,
we
really
need
to
that.
It's
need
for
reclaimed
water,
not
the
fact
that
there's
this
one
size
fits
all
bill
out.
Tallahassee
says
you
have
to
do
something
with
50
MGD
every
year.
Next
slide,
please
yeah!
That's
fine!
O
I'll
get
to
this
in
a
second
I
jumped
ahead.
So
in
part
to
deal
with
this,
we
developed
some
simple
language
that
could
be
added
to
the
statute
to
deal
with
this
situation.
What
you
do
between
what
years
and
dry
years
and
what
this
says
is
a
utility
when
we
say
a
department,
that's
the
Florida,
Department
Environmental
Protection,
a
utility
May
apply
to
the
department
for
yearly
variances
from
the
average
gallons
per
day
of
effluent,
reclaimed
water
or
reuse
water.
O
That
was
not
discharged
to
surface
water
and
the
average
gallon
of
discharge
that
continued
at
the
surface
water
site
saw
a
utility
go
yeah
we're
supposed
to
be
an
average
but
gee.
We
didn't
have
much
demand
for
reclaimed
water
this
year
or
we've
got
a
chemical
constituent
of
concern.
That's
getting
high!
We
want
to
back
off
on
certain
things
or
we're.
Getting
back.
Pressure
in
Wells
simply
allows
utilities
to
react,
despite
site-specific
conditions
and
get
a
yearly
variance
from
these
averages,
and
everybody
seems
to
accept
this.
O
But
the
thing
that's
really
interesting,
too
came
up
this
past
summer.
There
are,
there
is
a
provision
in
the
statute
that
discharges
can
cease
or
be
Exempted
if
they
meet
certain
conditions
under
certain
conditions,
you
don't
have
to
eliminate
the
surface
discharge
and
here's
one
that's
really
relevant.
O
It
says
you
know
the
discharge
does
not
have
to
be
eliminated
if
the
discharge
provides
direct
ecological
or
public
Supply
benefits
such
as
rehydrating
Wetlands
or
meeting
minimum
flows
and
levels
or
recovery
or
prevention
distractions
for
a
water
body.
Well,
this
summer
the
city
water
department
put
the
subject
on
the
table.
Is
there
benefits
of
this
discharge?
Howard
F
current
to
Tampa
Bay?
They
put
that
on
our
table
to
consider
I
volunteered
to
write
a
report
in
that
regard.
O
So
I
wrote
a
20-page
report,
a
technical
scientific
report
talking
about
the
benefits
of
the
Howard
F
current
discharged
to
Tampa
Bay
I
gave
it
to
the
city
to
review.
They
made
some
edits
to
the
first
draft
and
this
this
sort
of
thing
went
quite
well
actually
in
November,
8th,
the
city
water
department
submitted
this
to
the
Florida
Department
of
Environmental
Protection,
to
see
if
they
could
be
a
determination
of
beneficial
effects.
O
They
sent
it
to
the
dep's
Southwest
District,
often
in
Temple
Terrace,
the
Wastewater
management
division.
A
week
later
they
got
a
reply
back
from
dep
I
said
no.
We
cannot
recognize
any
ecological
benefits
effects
in
one
sentence:
email
to
his
credit,
Chuck
Weber,
the
water
department
emailed
back
and
goes.
Can
you
tell
us
why
not
and
the
next
day
they
got
another
email
and
let
me
quote
for
it
from
it.
It
was
very
brief
and
this
captures
the
essence
of
the
problem.
O
O
Therefore,
the
discharge
of
Howard
F,
current
Advanced
wastewater
treatment
plant
as
it
currently
exists,
does
not
qualify
for
the
ecological
benefit
provision
in
Senate
bill
64.,
that's
not
a
technical
scientific
conclusion.
That's
basically
somebody
in
the
Temple
Terrace
office
in
well.
The
legislation
said
minimum
flows
and
levels.
We
don't
have
minimum
Flows
In
levels
for
Tampa
Bay,
so
you
can't
do
it
well.
This
is
tremendously
ironic.
Estuaries
are
tremendously
important
resources
and
the
freshwater
flow
that
leaves
the
Howard
F.
Current
plan
large
in
part
replaces
water
that's
taken
from
the
river
for
water
supply.
O
The
fact
that
it
discharges
to
the
Bay
Downstream
of
the
mouth
of
Hills
River
does
not
negate
its
ecological
effects.
Tampa
Bay
does
not
stop
at
the
mouth
of
the
Hillsborough
River.
So
really,
that's
not
a
technically
sound
conclusion.
It's
really
due
to
the
lack
of
clarity
in
Senate
bill
64..
Can
we
have
the
next
slide
please?
O
So
in
that
regard,
the
we
prepared
language,
which
is
this
the
existing
statute.
Language,
is
in
white,
and
that's
what
I
read
to
you
before
that
you
can
not
eliminate
a
discharge
if
it
provides
these
benefits.
You
know.
Minimum
flow
is
a
little
prevention
strategies,
so
what
we
added
was
added
the
language
Below
in
yellow
for
water
bodies
that
do
not
currently
have
such
management
plans
or
regulations,
including
estuarine
Waters.
O
The
department
May
recognize
the
ecological
benefits
of
a
surface
water
discharge
to
a
water
body
Based
on
data
or
other
information
for
that
system.
So,
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
dep
can
look
at
Tampa
Bay
is
that?
Well
we
don't
have
a
minimum
flow
level
for
Tampa
Bay,
but
clearly
there's
benefits.
We
can
recognize
that.
That's
all
that
simply
allows
them
to
do
question
at
this
time.
O
D
Yeah
I
just
have
a
quick
question
that
has
to
do
with
this,
in
particular
for
water
bodies,
for
these
estuarian
Waters,
how
many
other
cities
in
Florida
discharge
their
water
to
a
bay
or
an
estuary
like
this,
that
might
be
affected.
I.
O
Can't
say:
I,
don't
know
what
Miami
does
that
kind
of
thing?
It
really
is
just
kind
of
a
technicality
that
discharges
the
sudden
channel
so
that
doesn't
count
I
mean
they're
volumes
of
scientific
literature,
about
the
importance
of
fresh
water
flow
to
estuaries
for
fishery
production
circulation.
The
fact
that
this
discharge
is
a
sudden
channel
does
not
gain
its
ecological
importance,
so
this
is
language
where
DP
can
look
at
this
and
do
it
soon.
O
So
what
I
want
to
do
is
give
you
two
concluding
slides
I
want
to
emphasize,
so
we
have
written
a
document
which
I
presented
to
you
on
December
1st.
So
this
is
language
that
can
be
added
to
the
statute,
to
provide
clarification,
we're
not
suggesting
changing
any
part
of
the
statute,
simply
adding
two
fairly
simple
passages
that
I've
been
showing
you
sit
next,
please
I'm
towards
the
end.
O
I
want
to
emphasize
what
you're,
recognizing
that
our
proposed
additions
to
the
statute
will
not
pursue,
will
not
prohibit
the
pursuit
of
reclaimed
water
projects
using
discharge
and
Howard
F
current
Advanced
wastewater
treatment
plant.
If
we
recognize
there's
benefits
of
this
flow
to
Tampa
Bay.
This
will
allow
the
city
to
examine
reclaimed
water
project
that
fits
your
needs.
Maybe
in
a
dry
year
you
need
30
MGD
of
reclaimed
water
in
a
year.
It's
only
five.
You
could
tailor,
make
the
reclaimed
water
projects
to
the
city's
needs,
and
if
the
remaining
water
flows
to
Tampa
Bay.
O
Well,
that's
okay,
it's
actually
serving
a
benefit.
Secondly,
the
proposed
additions
will
not
prohibit
the
pursuit
of
natural
resource
management
strategies
such
as
nutrient
low
reductions
or
habitat
restoration
projects,
evolving
the
reclaimed
water.
If
the
Estuary-
let's
say
you
do
the
top
one
and
we
find
out
well
this
most
desirable
reclaimed.
Water
project
reduces
the
nitrogen
load
by
20
percent
and
the
NEP
comes
back
five
years
later.
Will
we
like
see
fifty
percent?
This
doesn't
preclude
that.
So
the
this
doesn't
preclude
reclaimed
water
projects
or
the
pursuit.
O
It
simply
gives
the
city
much
more
flexibility
to
develop
projects
that
meet
your
needs
and
the
needs
of
the
resource.
That's
a
far
different
scenario
than
saying
you
have
to
do
something
with
50
MGD
of
Wastewater
every
year.
Next
slide,
please,
every
day
yeah
an
average
of
50
MGD.
That's
right!
So
go
down
a
little
bit.
So
what
do
these
proposed
editions?
Do?
O
Okay,
it'll,
give
utilities
much
needed
operational
flexibility
to
develop
reclaimed
water
projects
that
are
designed
and
tailored
to
their
needs
and
the
characteristics
of
their
Water
Resource,
with
projects
that
are
number
one
and
quantities
that
are
truly
needed,
which
will
vary
seasonally
and
greatly
between
wet
and
dry
ears.
Very
importantly,
this
will
allow
the
city
to
develop
projects
that
are
cost
effective.
O
Dealing
with
the
amount
you
need
is
very
different
than
dealing
with
50
MGD,
very
much
related
to
that
you
can
projects
that
are
safe
for
their
designated
uses.
Developing
reclaimed.
Water
for
potable
Supply
involves
very
extensive
water
treatment,
which
could
be
different
than
putting
it
in
the
river
which
is
different
than
lawn
irrigation.
So
when
you
actually
tailor
making
the
quantity
you
really
need
to
make
it
safe
that
will
affect
the
cost
effectiveness
of
this
whole
thing.
It's
more
protective
of
the
water
resources
and
natural
systems
and
more
in
the
best
public
interest.
O
O
You
may
recall:
I
presented
that
to
you
in
your
December
1st
meeting
and
Council,
took
a
motion
to
ask
the
city
Administration
to
pursue
legal
and
lobbying
efforts
to
see
if
they
could
do
that
on
January
12th.
You
got
a
memo
from
the
government
Affairs
office
here
at
the
city
says:
no,
we
can't
pursue
that
because
in
their
interpretation,
their
misinterpretation,
we
cannot
ask
for
the
city
to
be
Exempted
from
Senate
bill.
64.,
that's
a
very
bad
misinterpretation
of
our
document.
Our
document
doesn't
call
for
exemption
from
Senate
bill
64..
O
It
actually
provides
flexibility
in
the
Senate
bill,
64.,
so
I
I
think
that's.
What's
incred
that
was
misstated
by
that
particular
I
mean
I,
think
they
meant
well.
They
just
didn't
think
closely
enough
about
that.
So
hopefully
we
can
get
it
through
the
legislature
that
can
probably
be
a
tough
sell.
Okay,
the
next
thing
to
do
is
amend
the
Florida
Administrative
Code.
O
This
is
the
body
of
regulations
that
determine
how
Regulatory
Agencies
work
at
the
facilitated
meeting
that
the
city
put
on
about
a
month
ago,
there
was
a
fellow
used
to
work
for
dep
now
works
for
Hillsborough
County.
He
said
that's
a
possible
option.
The
other
is
to
interact
directly
with
the
fdep
say
Tallahassee.
Can
we
recognize
the
ecological
benefits,
so
we
need
to
pursue
in
all
these
fronts.
I
think
they're
they're
best
at
the
top,
but
before
we
plan
to
do
that,
my
recommendation
with
you
I
hope
the
council
can
support
us
in
these
efforts.
O
I
consider
this
to
be
a
win-win
proposition.
It
allows
the
city
to
tailor,
make
your
reclaimed
water
investigations
to
your
resource,
your
costs
and
the
Ecology
of
our
system
and
our
groundwater
resources.
Thank
you
very
much
and
I'm
going
to
pass
the
administration
to
support
us
as
well.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you,
I
just
want
to
say,
thank
you
so
much
for
this.
This
was
very
clear,
very
easy
to
understand
and
I
think
provides
exactly
what
we
need
to
hear
about
ways.
We
can
go
forward
with
this
and
I'm,
hoping
that
if
you
have
a
you
know
a
PowerPoint
version
or
something
like
that.
If
you'd
be
willing
to
share
your
slides
with
all
of
us
that.
E
I
D
Want
to
say
thank
you
so
much
again,
I
think
this
was
a
very
clear
explanation.
J
Carlson
yeah,
thank
you.
Thank
you
all
for
all
the
work
you
put
in
it.
I
know
you
put
a
lot
of
work
in
over
time.
Just
just
a
few
questions
and
I,
don't
know
if
there
are
any
particular
or
I'll
just
ask
them,
because
the
way
the
legislation
was
written,
it
seems
like
part
of
it,
was
written
just
for
Tampa.
There
are
very
few
cities
that
have
to
worry
about
minimum
flows.
Are
you?
J
Are
you
aware
of
any
cities
that
are
going
to
have
to
that
are
specifically
worried
about
minimum
flows
and
in
regard
to
reclaimed
water.
O
That's
a
good
question:
I
I,
even
though
I
work
in
an
area
of
minimum
flows,
I,
don't
know
again,
most
cities
get
their
water
from
Wells,
so
is
they're
not
taking
it
from
a
river,
so
I
don't
know,
and
what
the
city
said.
The
city
lobbied,
that
they
got
that
provision
and
they
could
use
for
minimum
flows
which
I
think
was
beneficial,
but
so
I
don't
know.
I
I
think
it's
an
I,
don't
know
across
the
state.
O
J
Talked
about
aquifer
storage,
this
is
50
MGD,
but
it's
also
only
50
MGD.
Do
you
have
any
idea
I'm
not
asking
you
you're,
not
with
swift
money
anymore?
So
it's
not
an
official
kind
of
question,
but
do
you
have
any
idea?
Could
the
city
get
permits
to
pump
without
putting
the
mg
the
50
MGD
in?
Because
what
you're
saying
is
that
we
put,
we
might
put
the
50
MGD
in
for
a
certain
period
of
time
and
then
maybe
we'll
put
Less
in
and
then
we
pull
out
later
right.
J
So
we're
not
it's
it's
not
like
one
to
one,
and
so
it
seems
like
there's
some
capacity,
maybe
to
get
a
permit
for
groundwater.
O
Well,
aquifer
storage
and
Recovery
is
used
within
the
state,
but
again
it's
typically
used
with
treated
river
water,
City
of
Tampa
uses
treated
river
water
using
it
for
treated
domestic
Wastewater,
might
have
some
different
regulatory
hurdles,
but
the
idea
is
you
pump
water
in
and
build
the
water
up,
and
then
you
take
it
out
so
I
don't
know
the
real
answer
to
your
question.
You
know.
J
Yeah
I
just
wonder
if
they're,
without
doing
the
storage,
if
there's
any
permeable
water
down
there,
you
mentioned
that
the
dep
we
saw
at
the
email.
That's
like
a
one
sentence:
email
and
the
response
like
a
one
sentence:
email,
it
was
nothing
official
at
all.
J
I
I
would
Advocate
that
we
should
go
before
fdep
and
do
something
official,
I
I
wish
city
council
could
hire
our
own
lobbyists
to
do
it,
but
I
want
to
outside
the
city.
I
want
to
be
supportive
of
you
all
I
think
there's
a
horrible
burden
on
taxpayers.
O
J
O
Does
okay
Rivers
provide
very
important
low
salinity
zones,
a
lot
of
juvenile
fishes
to
actually
migrate
into
these
low
salinity
zones?
I
I've
spent
my
career
studying
that,
but,
having
said
that,
discharge,
it
said
and
channel
also
has
beneficial
effects.
So
yeah
the
minimum
flow
is
at
the
base
of
the
river.
A
base
of
the
dam
are
very
important.
They
really
are
and
and.
J
Then
Sulfur
Springs,
if
I,
remember
correctly,
we're
pumping
about
12
million
at
12,
MGD,
plus
or
minus.
They
talk
about
saltwater
intrusion
and
we
didn't
specifically
talk
about
that.
But
one
of
the
proposals
is
just
to
stop
pumping
the
12
MGD
and
buy
it
from
Tampa
water
or
someone
into
your
knowledge
has
Swift
might
done
an
analysis
to
see
if
that
would
resolve
the
problem.
I
think
some
people
in
the
water
department
believe
that
that
that
would
not
solve
the
problem.
The
saltwater
intrusion
would
continue.
That's.
O
An
interesting
question
I've
worked
extensively
on
Sulfur,
Springs
and
I
think
in
within
45
seconds.
I
can
summarize
this
for
you.
What
has
happened
is
the
water
levels
in
Sulfur,
Springs
are
maintained
about
seven
feet
elevation
and
what
they
did.
The
city
and
I
was
project
manager.
This,
if
you
lower
the
water
level
in
Sulfur
Springs
that
reduces
the
pressure
over
the
spring
vent
and
it
induces
flow.
So
in
2012
they
they
changed
it
and
they
moved
now
when
they
go
to
minimum
flows.
O
They
lower
the
water
level
down
about
five
to
about
five
or
four
feet.
There's
an
extremely
clear
relationship
that
when
you
lower
the
water
levels
of
spring
gets
saltier
now
from
2002
to
2012,
we
provided
about
10
or
11
CFS
about
7
MGD
to
the
base
of
the
dam
while
holding
the
water
level
stable
in
Sulfur
Springs,
and
there
was
not
an
increase
in
salinity.
The
main
factor
that
has
contributed
to
the
increase
in
Sulfur
Springs
is
lowering
the
water
level
in
the
spring,
so
yeah.
That
needs
to
be
addressed.
All.
A
O
J
Years,
okay
and
then
the
the
the
Tampa
Bay
water
is
part.
Member
governments
just
went
through
a
process
of
looking
at
the
Quality
Water
and
asking
for
the
water
quality
standards
to
be
changed.
City
of
Tampa
has
presented
that
as
an
as
a
as
a
justification
that
the
water
quality
in
Tampa
is
better
than
the
the
average
water
that
the
Tampa
Bay
Water
member
governments
drink.
Have
you
had
a
chance
to
look
at
any
of
those
studies,
and
do
you
know
the
answer
to
that?
I.
J
Also,
my
understanding
is
that
the
reason
some
of
the
some
of
the
other
governments
in
our
region
don't
have
Dart
facing
the
same
expensive
dilemma
is
because
they're
already
redirecting
their
reclaimed
water
to
what
I
call
Purple
pipes
the
to
water,
your
lawn
and
I
think
most
people
would
rather
water
their
lawn
with
poopy
water
than
than
than
put
it
in
the
drinking
water.
J
Based
on
what
you
know
of
the
region
is
it
Tampa
did
an
experiment
15
or
20
years
ago
that
was
badly
marketed.
It
was
not
widely
used
because
of
the
bad
marketing
at
that
strategy,
but
it,
but
in
your
opinion,
should
we
should
we
look
at
purple
pipes
seriously
or
or
should
we
write
that
off
and
move
to
the
next
stage?
No.
O
I
can't
speak,
the
city
does
have
a
purple
pipes
program.
That's
one
of
the
alternate.
The
very
stakeholders
have
lobbied
them
on
that,
but
they
say
they
will
look
at
it,
but
there
there's
infrastructure
costs
involved
what
new
neighborhoods
they
would
get
to
so
that
that
would
be
on
the
table.
But
I
can't
speak
for.
J
J
The
the
river
water
quality,
the
the
of
sustainability
of
City,
testified
a
few
months
ago
that
the
the
the
water
quality
in
the
river
is
worse
than
this
water
being
pushed
out
at
seven
Cove.
Is
it
what
what
is
your
opinion
of
the
quality
of
the
water
or
the
river,
and
what
should
we
do
about
it.
O
And
that
you
really
have
to
be
selective.
As
you
know,
river
water
in
the
west
season
looks
like
iced
tea,
so
yeah,
it's
got
more
dissolved
organic
color
than
the
water
and
the
discharge
that
a
sudden
channel.
So
always,
it
depends
on
the
parameter
you're
talking
about
okay,
I.
Certainly
the
river
water
does
not
have
more
Pharmaceuticals
in
it
than
the
Wastewater.
So
you
have
to
be.
When
you
hear
those
conversations
you
have
to
wonder,
which
parameter
are
they
talking
about
and
again
the
river
water
has
more
dissolved.
O
J
Do
you
know
last
last
question
you
know
to
meet
minimum
flows,
we
could
just
re,
reduce
our
our
pumping
out
of
the
river
right
or
we
could
reduce
our
pumping
out
of
Sulfur
Springs.
So
if
we
were
able
to
do
that,
then
could
we
not
to
meet
the
the
steak
island?
Could
we
not
then
sell
the
water,
this
water
to
someone
somebody
else
like
Tampa,
Bay,
Water,
Polk,
County
or
or
someone
else.
O
I
don't
know,
I
I
think
the
need
for
minimum
float
with
the
demands
on
the
reservoir.
I
I,
don't
think
cutting
back
on
demands
in
the
reservoir
is
going
to
allow
you
to
meet
minimum
flows.
But
let
me
restate
that
another
way,
if
we
do
say
that
minimal
flows
have
to
be
such
and
such
you
can
run
modeling
scenarios.
We
need
this
much
minimum
flow
and
you
run
a
reservoir
model.
J
What
I
meant
was
that,
if
we,
if
we
for
example,
okay
at
Sulfur
Springs,
you
said
we
could
go
down
from
12
to
7..
So
let's
say
we
reduce
that
pumping
by
five
and
we
don't
have
the
flow
in
the
river
to
be
able
to
pump
that
we
could
buy
that
extra
five
from
Tampa
Bay
Water
right,
so
that
would
by
by
reducing
pumping
it,
would
help
us
to
I.
O
O
In
the
center
I
think
these
were
leaders
in
the
Senate
Senator
Ben
Albritton
from
the
Peace
River
Valley
and
then
in
our
area.
Senator
Randy
Maggard
was
very
involved
in
that
he's
from
like
zephyrhill
Hills
area,
Randy,
magardan
house,
Ben,
Albritton,
Minnesota
I,
think
we're
very
involved
in
it
was.
B
B
O
B
C
B
P
So
the
street
I'm
Nancy
Stevens
I'm,
the
conservation
chair
of
Tampa,
Bay,
Sierra,
Club
and,
of
course,
it's
Sid
and
the
other
fine
folks.
Here,
we've
been
working
for
over
two
years
on
the
pure
project
meeting
with
the
city.
Before
that
we
we
worked
on
tap
I'm
an
engineer
by
training
and
I've,
been
trying
to
figure
out
why
the
city's
doing
this
right.
Why
would
the
city
go
to
the
expense
of
reusing
Wastewater
and
introducing
unknown
risks
to
the
health
of
the
citizens
in
the
environment?
P
P
P
P
That's
why
our
group
wrote
down
the
17
questions
we
that
we
assist
and
stakeholders
have
and
have
heard
from
other
citizens
and
again
to
Citizens
water.
Reuse
is
not
a
goal,
so
the
next
steps
in
that
I
propose
is
that
it
should
include
the
basics
to
pick
the
best
water
solution
for
Tampa.
Not
water
reuse,
how
far
the
current
sources
of
water
and
temp
will
take
us
how
far
reducing
demand
for
drinking
water,
such
as
through
conservation
or
increased
reclaimed.
P
When
answering
the
17
questions,
the
Consultants
reviewed
thousands
thousands
of
pages
of
tap
documents
and
that
they
had
produced
in
the
past
eight
years,
they
were
not
able
to
find
complete
answers
because
tap,
didn't
ask
the
questions.
Those
questions
that
we
asked
tap
was
focused
on
reusing
Wastewater
and,
as
I
went
through
the
documents
I
found
these
quotes.
These
quotes
are
they're
quoted
from
the
document.
P
They
started
with
reusing,
20
million
gallons
a
day
of
reclaimed
water
that
was
their
goal.
They
looked
at
a
couple
Alternatives
the
way
they
decided
they
settled
on
alternative
to
tap.
Then
they
figured.
Then
they
focused
on
figuring
out
how
to
use
all
50
million
gallons
a
day
that
would
be
available
from
tap
the
goal
wasn't
to
use
current
sources
of
water.
In
fact,
it
was
stated
that
the
tap
was
intended
to
offset
the
need
to
purchase
water
from
Tampa
Bay
water.
P
P
P
P
P
The
answer
was
yes:
Tampa
Bay
water
could
use
extra
water,
it's
quite
a
very
detailed
report
and
there's
a
lot
of
details
in
it,
but
basically
that's
the
bottom
line,
but
this
study
was
not
sending
the
Wastewater
to
Tampa
Bay
water.
No,
no!
This
in
this
study,
Tampa
citizens
would
pay
three
four
five
billion
whatever
to
reuse
the
50
million
gallons
a
day
of
waste
water,
Tampa
citizens
would
drink
the
reclaimed,
Wastewater.
P
Well,
the
Hillsborough
River
water
would
go
to
Tampa,
Bay
water,
I
hope
this
plan
was
never
seriously
considered
but,
as
I
said,
there's
a
lot
of
resources
put
into
that
plant
modeling.
It
was
a
very
detailed
model.
I
would
hope
the
city
would
work
with
Tampa
Bay
water
to
do
that
kind
of
level
of
detailed
excellent
modeling
using
our
current
water
sources
and
to
understand
what
Tampa
can
currently
do
with
our
current
water
sources.
P
There's
a
lot
of
money
spent
on
tap
and
I
brought
this
here.
Just
to
show
you
a
lot
of
documents,
a
lot
of
consultant
worked,
a
lot
of
documents
were
produced.
This
is
I,
don't
know
this
is
not
all
of
them.
I
didn't
print
them
all
out
and
then
answering
the
17
questions.
They
referred
to
many
tap
documents.
These
are
no
longer
available
to
Citizens
on
the
website.
They
need
to
be
available
on
the
city.
Citizens
on
the
website,
there's
been
a
study,
the
studies
that
were
referenced
here.
P
So
that's
my
request
here:
transparency
and
access
to
the
documents
for
the
citizens,
so
people
are
more
aware
they
understand.
What's
going
on
and
then
finally,
a
proposal
I
think
we
need
a
restart,
we
need
to
start
at
the
beginning.
We
need
full
transparency.
P
This
picture
here
comes
from
Tampa
Bay
Water.
This
is
their
planning
process
for
planning
for
future
water
projects
and
they
start
by
looking
at
when
to
build,
and
how
do
they
feel
when
to
build
when
they
look
at
demands,
they
look
at
how
they
could
mitigate
demands
by
conservation
they
look
at
if
they
can
store
water,
other
things
to
figure
out
how
much
water
they
need,
and
then
they
figure
out
what
to
build.
They
have
a
wide
variety
of
projects
proposed.
They
start
out
with
hundreds
and
they
narrow
it
down.
P
I
mean
piping
water
from
icebergs.
I
think
was
one
of
the
examples
they
said,
but
they
narrowed
down
and
narrow
it
down,
and
then
they
wind
up
with
maybe
five
projects
at
the
end
that
they
start
really
seriously
look
at
and
and
they
have
public
input
along
the
way.
So
I
suggest
that
Tampa
needs
this
process.
We
need
to
start
looking
at
campus
water
beads.
We
don't
need
to
be
starting
at
assuming.
We
need
to
do
a
water
reuse
project
and
we
don't
need
one,
and
that
is
on
my
my
comments.
K
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
presentation
and
for
some
clarity,
because
it
answered
some
of
the
questions
that
I
had.
The
thing
is
many
things.
First,
nobody
wants
this
when
you
talk
about
highly
treated
Wastewater
put
into
our
drinking
Supply,
I
mean
I've,
seen
you
out
in
the
public
these
last
few
weeks
and
have
you
heard
anybody
say
we
need
to
do
this
number
one
number
two.
You
had
a
line
there
that
said
and
Tampa
taxpayers
or
whatever
the
line
was
we'll
be
paying
for
this
in
full.
K
G
K
Talk
about
transportation,
we
talk
about
Paving
roads,
there's,
never
enough
money
for
all
that
stuff
that
the
people
have
come
here
for,
but
with
this
it's
our
hands
are
tied.
We
have
to
do
this,
yet
nobody
wants
it.
Nobody
in
the
public,
I
haven't
met
anybody
yet
publicly.
That
has
said
you're
you're,
making
a
mistake
with
this
and
you're,
not
thinking
about
the
this
properly
and
there's
a
lot
of
misinformation.
You
know
we
need
this
and
I've
talked
to
experts,
not
just
the
professionals
that
have
come
here,
but
people
outside
nobody
has
said
to
me.
K
You
know
you
need
to
reconsider
this
trust
me.
I
know
this.
My
background
is
whatever
in
regards
to
this.
This
is
this
is
very
interesting.
You
know
we
approve
pipes
which
is
in
the
billions
of
dollars
necessary
and
people
said.
Okay,
you
know
it's
going
to
go
to
something
tangible
that
that
is
needed.
We
approved
storm
water
projects
back
in
2016.,
hey,
let's
fix
the
flooding
in
our
city
and
I
could
and
I
had
people
that,
and
that
was
expensive.
The
251
million
dollars
I.
K
Remember
one
property
owner
guy
owns
a
lot
of
real
estate.
Please
do
something
I
go
we're
going
to
be
raising
your
taxes
in
the
form
of
fees,
user
fees,
but
I
go
you're
going
to
be
paying
more
money,
but
please
do
something.
This
is
not
manageable.
You
know.
Even
in
those
scenarios
there
were,
there
was
the
positive
and
the
negative
and
there
for
people
on
both
sides.
With
this
I
again
I
haven't
met
anybody
in
the
public
with
a
professional
background
that
understands
how
to
reuse
this
water
or
anybody
in
general.
K
K
There's
a
lot
of
Suspicion,
because
it's
you
know
what's
behind
on
this.
Well
behind
all
of
this.
Why
is
this
so
necessary
that
we
have
to
do
this
now?
Do
we
have
a
situation
now?
We
want
a
drought,
proof
regenerate,
but
do
we
absolutely
need
this?
We
talk
about
minimum
flows.
We
talk
about
the
dam,
we
talk
so
many
things.
K
B
H
N
H
N
Come
back
at
the
next.
H
Week's
meeting
and
be
able
to
make
a
motion
that
you
come
back
with
some
type
of
some
random
understanding
of
how
we
can
end
this
and
we
can
move
on
I
think
the
public
does
not
want
this.
Probably
that's
not
what
this
dish
clear.
They
don't
want
this
and
I
think
we
need
to
go
ahead
and
have
you,
as
our
legal
person,
tell
us
what
we
can
do
as
a
counselor
to
end
this
and
move
on.
N
G
B
G
Thank
you
no
I'm
glad
to
support
this.
My
it's
funny
because
my
understanding
is
when
we
had
dealt
with
this
issue,
maybe
three
months
ago
that
that
did
occur.
But
if
there
is
some
lingering
residual
effects
of
it,
yeah
sure
that
that's
fine
but
yeah,
but
again
I'm
glad
to
support
this
there.
You
go
I'm.
A
P
Because
looking
at
that
slide,
it's
all
reclaimed
water
and
they
want
to
do
more
reclaimed
on
it.
My
contention
is,
we
need
to
be
thinking
about.
Tampa's
water
needs
not
about
how
to
use
reclaimed
water,
that's
not
the
question
we
it.
It
doesn't.
I,
don't
think
it's
a
given
that
we
have
to
use
reclaimed
water
I'm,
not
saying
it
isn't,
but
it
doesn't
have
to
be
that
shouldn't
be
where
you
start.
Should
we
start
what
what
you?
What
you
want
to
need.
B
N
Me
Mr
chairman,
I,
believe
and
and
forgive
me
for
not
being
as
well
versed
to
the
city
council
that
have
been
briefed
by
many
parties
over
the
subject
matter.
So
forgive
me,
I
I
need
to
get
up
to
speed,
but
my
understanding
is.
N
There
came
a
point
in
time
when
a
I
guess
an
amendment
to
the
contract
with
PCL
came
up
to
city
council
and
Council
asked
that
that
money
be
diverted
as
and
I
believe
this
was
miss
her
tax
motion
councilwoman
her
tax
motion,
so
there
is
an
existing
contract
out
there
within
his
existing
contractor
that
has
been
awarded.
What
role
that
plays
would
will
somehow
factor
into
this
I'm
sure
but
I
guess
by
even
having
this
motion
today.
N
It's
sort
of
perpetuated
the
process
going
forth
and
from
what
I
understand
and
I'm
aware
of
is
that
the
mayor
subsequent
to
that
discussion,
had
put
forth
a
a
video
made
available
to
the
public,
discussing
this
very
project
and
perpetuating
it.
So
obviously
there
is
a
a
disconnect
between
perhaps
the
administration's
position
and
the
council's
position.
That
needs
to
be
rectified
somehow
to
be
able
to
bring
this
matter
to
a
close.
That's
the
direction
that
I'm
hearing
from
Council
on
the
basis
of
this
motion
am
I
correct.
H
Good
roll
call
hold
on.
A
C
B
J
Just
a
just
a
few
quick
comments
on
what
what's
been
presented
and
respond
to
Stevens
number
one.
If
you
look
at
item
number
eleven
I,
don't
see
that
it
says
pure
in
here,
and
it
doesn't
say
water,
reuse
or
whatever.
The
language
was
that
we
used
to
replace
pure,
and
so
the
city
council,
twice
two
or
three
times
has
voted
I
think
unanimously
to
require
the
staff
to
put
those
keywords
in
an
agenda
item,
so
the
public
can
identify
it
and
it's
not
there.
J
So
that's
number
one
number
two
is
the
staff
assured
us,
so
we've
killed
this
project
three
times
just
this
Council,
the
prior
Council
I
think
killed
it
two
or
three
times.
Also
so,
we've
killed
this
three
times
and
the
last
time
they
said
that
they
that
pure
was
dead.
The
staff
came
out
and
and
said,
pure's
dead.
J
We're
not
going
to
bring
up
here
pure,
is
not
happening
and
then,
as
as
Marty
said,
the
mayor
suddenly
out
of
the
blue
posted
a
video
about
pure
sent
a
three-page
memo
to
all
the
city
council
candidates
and
and
sent
out
a
press
release
about
pure
and
it's
very
confusing,
because
the
staff
who
report
to
the
mayor
say
the
Project's
dead.
But
the
mayor
herself
says
it's
not,
and
so
there's
a
there's,
a
confusion.
There
there's
a
lot
of
angst
in
the
community
about
that.
J
A
lot
of
confusion,
number
three
council
member
Maniscalco
mentioned
how
the
money
could
be
used
on
something
else
and
before
a
staff
member
comes
in
and
says:
oh
well,
it's
Enterprise
money
and
you
can't
use
the
the
the
public
doesn't
want
to
pay
more
fees
or
taxes,
but
if
they
have
to
pay
something
and
they
choose
between
increased
water
rate
to
pay
for
drinking
potty
water
or
increase
in
something
else
to
pay
for
police
and
fire
they'd
rather
pay
for
the
something
else
in
police
and
fire.
J
They
don't
want
to
pay
for
this,
and
so
there
are
different
funding
sources.
We're
limited,
but
there
are
different
funding
stores.
We
have
access
to
I,
don't
think
my
colleague
was
saying
literally,
we
would
take
out
of
this
fee
Enterprise
fund
and
pay
for
something
else,
but
there
is,
there
is
a
possibility
that
that
the
public
just
can't
stand
having
more
and
more
rate
increases
all
the
time.
J
The
next
thing
is
that
this
is
an
experimental
technology.
I
mean
I
voted
against
it,
but
it's
it's
an
experimental
technology
I.
Don't
know
why
the
staff
is
so
bound
determined
to
use
experimental
technology
and
we're
beta
testing
and
that's
great.
Maybe
we
can
use
it
to
clean
the
river,
so
it
will
flow
better
into
the
bay,
but
without
describing
any
of
the
benefits
of
it.
Until
a
little
bit
recently
they've
been
bound
and
determined
to
push
this
new
experimental
technology
for
server
years.
J
It's
written
into
the
contract
and
when
presented
with
an
alternative
that
9
out
of
10
cities
use
they
come
with
every
excuse
why
they
don't
even
want
to
look
at
it
and
that
just
is
very
disturbing
to
a
lot
of
people.
We've
asked
them
several
times
to
start
over
after
that.
We
killed
the
first
time
four
years
ago.
They
started
over
with
a
a
an
Alternatives
analysis,
but
the
Alternatives
analysis
used
modeling
that
was
completely
biased.
J
I
mentioned
the
purple
pipes,
they
looked
at
the
whole
city,
they
didn't
put
in
an
ordinance
that
would
require
to
use
that
to
water,
your
Lawns,
so
many
problems
with
it.
So
the
the
prices
were
skewed
in
the
main
determination
they
used
is
is
price
to
reject
it,
so
the
whole
thing
looked
bias,
and
so
whatever
we
do,
we
need
to
start
over.
We
need
to
have
an
honest
approach.
We
need
to
look
at
all
the
different
amps.
The
staff
said
two
weeks
ago.
J
We
don't
want
to
try
to
Lobby
the
state
to
change
this
or
modify
it
in
any
way.
Well,
that's
not
an
honest
approach,
because
one
of
the
Alternatives
would
be
to
change
it,
so
we
don't
have
to
do
this.
Why
would
we
put
this
burden
in
here
and
what
and
and
I
presented
to
everybody
in
the
city?
Why
wouldn't
we
sell
this
to
somebody
else?
We
could
make
a
profit
for
the
next
30
years,
because
we
don't
need
this
water
and,
and
we
get
whoever
we
sell
to.
J
We
could
say
we
want
the
first
refusal
to
buy
treated
water
back
and
we
could
with
50
ngd.
We
could
protect
the
city's
supply
for
the
next
hundred
years,
but
we
wouldn't
have
to
put
any
debt
on
the
city
on
our
taxpayers.
We
wouldn't
have
to
increase
rates.
Why?
Wouldn't
we
do
that?
Because
somebody
in
the
city
just
wants
to
build
something?
J
N
Mr,
chairman
council
member
Carlson,
forgive
me,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
things
that
I'm
not
familiar
with.
You
mentioned
that
I
don't
know
who
it
was,
I
suspect
the
administration,
or
maybe
you
know,
put
forwards.
You
said
a
three-page
statement
regarding
this.
J
J
N
N
I'm
going
to
ask
for
support
from
the
legal
department
to
bring
me
up
to
speed
on
this,
but
I
would
like
to
be
able
to
obtain
that
which
you
have
seen
that
I
haven't
had
the
benefit
of
just
to
give
me
a
greater
context
to
realize
what
the
issues
are
so
I'm
going
to
work
with
the
administration
to
be
able
to
get
that
information
unless
Council
has
it
available
for
me,
I'll
get
it
from
the
administration
I'll,
get
it
okay!
Okay,
thank
you.
Q
My
turn
I'm
Gary
Gibbons
I'm
Vice,
chair
of
the
Tampa
Bay
Sierra
Club,
I'll,
I'll,
answer
your
question.
Councilman
Maniscalco,
we've
done
lots
of
Outreach
to
the
public.
We've
met
with
neighborhoods,
we've
talked
we've
done,
programs
with
Sierra
Club
about
the
pure
project.
We
haven't
found
a
single
person
who's
in
favor
of
it
who
is
not
receiving
a
paycheck
from
the
city
or
it
has
a
contract
with
the
city.
Okay.
So
it's
all
about
money,
it's
what
I
call
the
water
industrial
complex
and
never
underestimate
them.
Q
So
my
questions,
you
talked
about
the
the
contract.
That's
what
I'm
here
to
talk
about.
This
relates
to
City
contract
number
21-00044,
with
PCL
Construction
Inc
entitled
purify
usable
resources
for
the
environment,
pure
design,
build
I'm
going
to
refer
to
that
as
the
pure
design
build
contract.
In
my
comments.
Q
I'm,
mostly
retired,
except
for
working
on
pure
these
days,
because
I
have
grandchildren
that
live
here
and
I,
don't
want
them
drinking
this
water,
so
under
the
pure
design,
build
contract.
Pcl
Construction
was
tasked
with
performing
various
services,
including
quote
project
management,
alternative
selection,
stakeholder
engagement,
public
Outreach
regulatory
coordination
and
enhanced
Source
control
program,
implementation,
conceptual
design,
development
and
delivery
of
preliminary
design.
Q
Current
Advanced
wastewater
treatment
plant
number
two
combination,
three,
which
is
putting
it
in
the
aquifer:
Aquifer,
recharge
and
recovery
and
discharge
into
the
reservoir
above
the
dam
and
the
third
one
is
direct
potable
use,
reuse
so
making
us
drink
it
all
right.
That's
the
only
Alternatives
that
they
wanted
to
study
under
this
contract.
That's
contrary
to
what
we
said
when
we
came
to
to
city
council
and
complained
about
this
before
under
resolution
number.
Q
Q
Q
So
my
second
question
is:
what's
the
legal
status
of
the
pure
design
build
contract
between
the
city
and
PCL
Construction
Inc?
Is
it
still
in
force
or
has
it
been
completed,
or
has
it
been
suspended,
canceled
or
abandoned,
because
under
the
contract
the
city
has
the
unilateral
right
to
suspend,
cancel
or
abandon
the
project?
Q
So
another
question:
has
the
city
suspended
canceled
or
abandoned
the
project?
If
so,
was
that
cancellation
done
in
writing
and
when
was
PCL
Construction
paid
for
its
services
and
reimbursable
expenses
up
through
the
data,
suspension,
cancellation
or
abandonment
or
as
PCL
been
told
to
stand
down
and
stand
by,
has
pure
design
as
the
pure
design
build
contract
been
amended
or
modified
since
February
3rd
2022?
If
so,
how
and
when
and
could
we
get
a
copy
of
that?
Q
Q
Is
the
pilot
project
involving
the
suspended
ion
exchange
being
performed
and
built
under
this
contract
or
another
contract,
and
if
it's
a
separate
contract,
what's
the
contract
number
for
that
one?
And
can
we
see
what
has
been
paid
out
on
that
I'm
sure
that
we
have
many
more
questions
that
will
be
answered
once
this
information
provided?
But
then
it
may
also
produce
some
additional
questions
like
when
they
tried
to
answer
the
17
questions
and
did
so
well.
I,
don't
know
I,
don't
know
we
weren't
happy
with
their
answers.
Q
The
documents
that
we
have
seen
thus
far
from
the
selection
committee's
meetings
reveal
that
there
were
three
firms
who
submitted
bids
and
after
scoring
the
bids
that
were
submitted.
The
initial
rankings
were:
first
Jacob's,
Engineering,
Group
Inc
second
key
wit,
water
facilities,
Florida
company
and
third
PCL
Construction
Inc.
Q
B
Forgive
us,
are
you
ready
for
questions?
Yes,
guys.
D
D
So
these
questions
being
questions
starting
on
page
two,
where
it
says
so.
My
first
question
is
and
then
finishing
with
page
three.
So
all
of
these
questions
answered
in
both
written
form
and
written
form
to
be
put
in
desire
beforehand.
N
N
D
N
D
What
I,
when
I
counted
these
questions,
I
found
11
questions
is
that
right,
Mr,
Gibbons,
I.
D
Them,
oh
okay,
but
but
using
basically
I
see
10
questions
and
one
question
at
the
very
end.
Why
were
they
selected
when
they
finished?
Last
so
I'll
say
these
11
questions.
D
Since
most
of
these
aren't
going
to
require
research,
I
think
it's
reasonable
to
expect
answers
on
March,
16th,
2023,
again
written
answers
in
sire
beforehand
and
then
explanations.
So
that
is
my
motion.
N
Council,
this
discussion
may
be
very
relevant
for
me
to
be
able
to
formulate
a
response
for
city
council,
so
I'm
going
to
have
to
work
with
this
as
well,
and
it's
probably
going
to
involve
seeing
this
information
to
be
able
to
see
where
it
fits
in
to
what
council
direction
is
so
I
just
wanted
to.
Let
you
know
that
and
I'm
going
to
be
working
with
this
as
well
with
setting
forth
what
council
has
directed
me
to
do.
Thank
you.
E
D
R
Good
afternoon,
I'm
Carol
camisa
I
I
feel
like
it's
necessary
before
I,
make
a
brief
comment
on
financials,
which
would
will
be
an
age-old
question,
but
adding
another
question
on
the
selection
issue
and
and
I
want
to
State
this,
because
I've
been
involved
in
several
public
records,
requests
to
get
information,
that's
promised
and
never
seems
to
come
the
documents
that
we
have
include
a
matrix
of
those
three
contractors
as
Gary
was
saying,
and
those
were
the
ones
that
were
selected,
the
bidders
out
of
I,
don't
remember
how
how
many
total
bidders
to
present
their
proposal
to
the
city,
so
that
was
the
initial
lineup.
R
After
that
there
was
another
meeting
that
went
through
an
evaluated
based
on
the
presentations.
We
did
not
get
a
similar
Matrix
of
rankings
now
I,
don't
know
the
processes
that
they
go
through
and
some
of
this
information
could
be
confidential,
but
we
did
not
get
a
matrix.
What
we
got
was
a
memo,
a
recommendation,
memo
to
the
mayor.
R
That
said,
there
was
a
unanimous
decision
in
favor
of
PCL
and
recommending
her
approval
to
sign
up
PCL
now,
I
heard
hallway
Carter
that
that
that
wasn't
exactly
a
unanimous
decision,
but
I
don't
have
any
documentation
to
that
effect.
I
just
want
to
be
very
clear
about
that.
So
I've.
R
R
That's
where
I
got
all
this
white,
hair
and
I
I
know
just
a
little
bit
about
spending
public
money,
accounting
for
it
and
and
Reporting
on
it,
and
that
sort
of
thing
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
times
I've
been
on
the
hill
and
had
to
answer
very,
very
specific
questions
about
these
things.
R
So
it's
it's
pretty
amazing
to
me
that
we
are
where
we
are
having
the
money
granted
by
this
Council
in
February
a
year
ago
and
having
been
asked
or
charged
with
reporting
on
that
six
months
later,
which
would
have
been
July,
didn't
happen
and
and
I.
It's
just
astonishing
to
me.
So
we've
been
asking
this
and
I
wish
I
had
a
very
nice
slide
to
show
you
on
the
financials
and
what
we've
been
able
to
find
out.
I'm
afraid
that
slide
would
have
lots
of
gaps.
R
Lots
of
question
marks
and
lots
of
numbers
that
just
don't
add
up,
so
what
I'd
like
to
do
instead,
just
very
briefly,
is
give
you
a
timeline
of
our
little
Odyssey
to
try
to
find
out
what
the
money
is,
what
it's
been
spent
on,
what's
left
and
so
on
so
Council
charged,
the
water
department,
with
reporting
back
in
I,
would
calculate
July
the
deliverables
and
the
spending
of
the
money
that
was
granted.
That
did
not
happen.
R
Instead,
in
an
early
September
meeting,
the
water
department
came
and
asked
for
additional
funds
without,
to
my
knowledge,
any
accounting
of
the
money
that
was
already
there.
R
Our
meetings
as
stakeholders
with
the
water
department
were
canceled.
There
was
a
lot
of
obfuscation.
At
one
point.
We
were
told
that
if
we
insisted
there
was
a
back
of
the
envelope
con
kind
of
calculation
that
we
could
get
on
the
financials
at
one
point,
Mr
reamer
said
that
there
was
no
money
left
and
no
no
work
could
be
done
and
and
just
a
lot
of
questions
there.
R
We
have
not
met
as
the
community
stakeholders
group
since
that
in
since
September
myself
and
another
Community
member
did
make
a
separate
meeting
with
the
water
department
Chuck
Weber.
Precisely
and
and
we
were
told
that
we
could
go
through
and
ask
some
very
specific
questions.
We
were
working
off
of
a
document,
an
invoice
from
PCL
that
we
got
through
a
public
records
request.
This
was
an
invoice
that
covered
the
period
April
to
June
2022
and
it
was
in
the
amount
of
137
000,
approximately
some
change
it
didn't
cover
the
full
period.
R
It
didn't
seem
to
jive
with
there's
no
money
left,
we
need
more
money,
but
that
was
the
information
we
received
in
our
meeting
with
Chuck.
We
then
learned
about
some
other
monies,
a
million
dollars
that
was
going
to
be
used
for
this
six
pilot
program.
I
I,
don't
know:
Gary
raised
the
question
about
the
contract,
whether
that's
under
PCL
or
under
the
larger
budgetary
category,
category
called
program
that
PCL
falls
under.
We
also
learned
about
a
a
grant.
R
R
I
can't
really
tell
you
again
those
those
gaps
and
so
on
one
and
then
more
recently,
we've
seen
copies
of
an
invoice
covering
the
period
September
through
December
the
end
of
the
calendar
year,
and
that
brings
the
total
presuming
that
it
covers
the
invoice
we
had
previously
seen
to
just
under
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
again,
not
jiving
with
the
fact
that
there's
no
money
and
we
need
more
money
again
more
questions
and
gaps.
It
also
doesn't
cover,
was:
was
there
no
money
spent
between
February
and
April?
R
Was
there
no
money
spent
between
June
and
September?
Just
not
a
not
a
lot
of
clarity.
There
I
don't
know,
but
in
in
my
business
and
and
my
experience,
working
with
federal
government
and
and
taxpayer
resources,
you
had
monthly
reports,
or
at
least
quarterly
reports
you
you,
you
had
calculations
of.
We
have
this
much
money
according
to
these
categories,
this
has
been
spent.
These
are
the
deliverables
to
me,
that's
very
straightforward,
and
it's
it's
something
that
the
man
on
the
street
can
understand.
R
I,
think
or
the
woman
on
the
street,
not
just
Council
and
not
just
People
Like
Us
who've
been
had
our
nose
in
this
for
a
long
time.
I
I
just
don't
understand
how
we
can't
get
that
information
and
personally,
where
I
come
out,
is
either
there's
insufficient
or
mismanagement
on
the
financial
side
or
and
or
there's
obfuscation
and
there's
things
that
that
they're
not
telling
us
and
they
don't
want
us
to
know
I,
just
I
just
come
out
with
more
questions
and
I.
R
J
There
there's
a
pattern
and
the
people
that
are
in
favor
of
these
kinds
of
projects
they
they
use
the
term
conspiracy
theorist
as
as
chaff,
to
try
to
distract
people
away
from
things
that
are
going
on.
But
when
well-educated
Community
leaders
like
yourselves
and
hundreds
of
others
out
there,
looking
at
other
projects
find
things
that
are
suspicious,
we
have
every
right
to
ask
questions
as
Citizens,
and
particularly
at
city
council,
since
we're
responsible
for
proving
me
or
rejecting
these
projects
and
I
find
it
disturbing
that
information
is
not
easily
accessible.
J
I
myself
have
pulled
public
records
and
had
been
charged
about
four
thousand
dollars
for
pulling
the
public
records
and
I
still
don't
have
all
of
them
and
I'm
not
sure
that
I
have
all
of
them,
because
I
asked
for
a
document
to
see
which
ones
were
redacted
and
I'm,
not
even
sure
I
haven't
gotten
the
list.
Yet
so
I
don't
know,
and
if
an
officer
of
the
city
can't
get
documents
and
educated
people
in
the
public
can't
get
documents,
I
don't
know.
J
J
R
J
So
difficult
for
folks
to
if
your
response
is
that
or
you
could
say
there
are
four
contracts,
would
you
like
all
of
them,
or
would
you
like
I,
don't
know
how
many,
how
many
there
are?
But
the
point
is
that
the
answer
back
is
always
something
that
that
forces
you
to
re-look
at
it
again:
we've
been
we
City,
Council
Members
have
been
harassed
repeatedly
by
by
people
that
that
are
trying
to
hit
us
for
political
purposes.
J
This
is
this:
is
members
of
the
public
that
are
educated
with
national
reputations,
trying
to
get
information
to
honestly
objectively,
evaluate
a
situation,
and
you
guys
can't
get
contracts
or
can't
get
the
documents
really
sad?
Here's
something
I
would
suggest
that
this
is
just
a
brainstorm.
I'm
not
going
to
make
a
motion,
but
just
the
the
idea
of
the
council
member
hertex
proposed
a
little
while
ago.
J
I
think
that
we
should
not
allow
any
discussion
about
water
reuse
in
any
form
to
come
back
unless
it's
presented
by
this
task
force,
and
that
would
mean
that
the
staff
would
have
to
meet
with
the
task
force
and
explain
it
to
them,
and
they
would
explain
it
to
us,
because
I
think
we
and
the
public
have
faith
in
their
responses.
But
when
we
find
over
and
over
again
that
there's
a
lack
of
information,
a
lack
of
specific
specificity,
hiding
information-
remember
I
got
it's.
A
public
record.
J
I
got
like
a
three-page
memo,
saying
that
I'm
that
all
of
you
were
copied
on
a
year
or
two
ago
saying
I
was
misleading
the
public
by
using
the
total
cost
of
the
proposed
projects
instead
of
the
capital
cost,
which
is
completely
absurd
and
how?
How
is
it?
Misleading
the
public
by
telling
people
the
total
cost
and
now
they're
saying
there
is
no
pure
project,
so
there's
no
cost.
We
don't
know
what
the
cost
is,
because
they
know
that
that
hurts
them.
But
then,
suddenly
the
mayor
comes
out
and
says:
well,
there's
a
pure
project.
J
Well,
does
that
mean
we
can
go
back
to
the
two
to
six
billion
dollars?
I
mean
the
whole
thing
is
the
whole
thing
is
Shady
and
there's
a
lot
of
shitty
stuff
like
Hannah
Avenue
like
the
incinerator
plant,
there's
all
kinds
of
stuff,
and
we
need
to
have
transparency.
Accountability
in
the
city
and
I
I
hope
that
once
we
get
past
the
elections
that
we
can
have
it
again.
Thank
you.
D
Well,
I
tend
to
agree
with
you,
because
that's
what
I
do
too.
In
my
day,
job
before
I
join
Council
was
look
at
and
evaluate
the
International
Development
projects.
For
that
very
same
thing,
you
have
to
account
for
every
penny
and
it's
public,
so
I
would
I
would
just
make
a
motion.
R
D
N
J
R
R
A
D
Have
been
out,
it's
the
next,
it's
it's
a
month
from
now
or.
D
N
D
Yes,
but
I
think
we're
talking
about
going
forward
like
how
do
we
kill
this
going
forward?
No
more
contracts,
no
more
anything,
whereas
this
I
just
want
to
answer
what
has
been
done
already.
That's
that's
what
the
public
is
asking
they're
asking:
what
is
the
contract?
Where
is
the
money
gone?
What
kind
of
deliverables
have
we
gotten
and
then
what
what's
the
status
of
this
so.
R
If
I
just
can
just
add
a
little
footnote
and
it
it
somewhat
relates
to
councilman
Carlson's
use
of
the
word
Shady
when
you,
when
you
have
so
many
questions
and
and
gaps,
it
leads
you
to
think
that
there's,
maybe
something
under
the
covers
to
look
at
I,
don't
know
How
Deeply.
You
want
to
go
in
asking
questions
about
this
contract,
but
one
of
the
subcontractors,
as
you
know,
historically
carollo-
was
previously
involved
in
in
toilet
to
tap.
So
that's
that's
just
something
that
Rings
some
Bells.
R
R
I'd
be
very
interested
to
know
what
deliverables
were
performed
in
relation
to
public
education,
because
I
feel
like
this
group
in
a
matter
of
of
months
or
even
even
weeks
prior
to
the
September
council
meeting
spent
more
time
in
the
community
in
educating
people
on
a
voluntary
basis
than
was
ever
performed
under
the
contract.
R
A
J
I
wonder
any
of
you
does
it
seem
odd
that
that,
since
we're
at
the
concept
stage
and
the
research
stage-
and
maybe
the
Alternatives
analysis
stage,
that
that
the
city
would
hire
a
construction
company
as
a
lead
contractor
when
you
hire
a
construction
company,
when
you
want
to
build
something
instead
of
doing
I,
don't
know
anything
about
this
particular
company.
But
it
just
seems
odd
that
you
would
it.
P
B
P
Is
Nancy
Stevens,
looking
back
at
the
tap
documents
that
they
referenced
did
a
list
of
all
the
documents
that
they
had
produced
by
2018
and
most
of
them
were
implementation
documents.
So,
under
the
tap
project
there
was
a
lot
of
work
on
how
to
implement
it
and
again
all
that
documentation.
It
should
be
broadly.
J
It
is
we're
trying
to
build
this
process
with
the
ion
exchange,
and
we
just
want
to
move
down
there
and
it's
it's
still
tap
it's
it's
there's
this
other
discussion,
but
then
it's
still
tap
and
the
fact
that
the
staff
said
now.
All
of
this
is
done.
We're
going
to
completely
start
over
again
just
a
couple
months
ago,
and
then
the
mayor
comes
out
with
a
whole
video
about
pure.
P
Right,
yeah
and
I
have
to
say,
like
care.
One
I
did
attend
that
conference
where
they
were,
the
three
contractors
were
presenting
and
we
both
kind
of
like
Jacobs,
because
they
were
coming
in
with
new
ideas,
fresh
approaches,
a
staged
approach
to
implementing
it.
Looking
at
you
know
the
needs
and
yeah
Jacobs
wasn't
selected.
S
All
the
fresh
water
in
the
river
was
a
city's
property
and
our
appeal
of
that
rule
resulted
in
a
five-year
scientific
study.
That
proved
that
we
were
right
that
the
river's
Estuary
below
the
dam
does
need
a
combination
of
Springs
water
and
clean
fresh
water.
Then
years
later,
mayor,
iorio
proposed
using
treated
Wastewater
as
the
source
of
that
fresh
water,
but
public
art
cry
prevented
that
and
resulted
in
the
use
of
the
water
as
Mr
Flannery,
described,
with
a
combination
of
the
Springs
water
and
fresh
water.
S
S
So
here
we
are
today
with
mayor
Castro
staff
now
proposing
that,
instead
of
using
the
clean,
fresh
water
that
we
have
available
for
the
Estuary,
where
the
fish
of
Tampa
Bay
come
up
river
to
spawn
in
the
spring,
the
staff
is
proposing
that
we
instead
use
treated
Wastewater,
because
it
will
not
only
be
safe
for
the
fish
who
spawn
there,
but
it'll
also
be
safe
for
our
children
and
our
grandchildren
to
drink.
But
will
it
be
safe?
The
city
has
not
decided
what
the
additional
methods
of
treatment
of
the
Wastewater
will
be
under
pure.
S
Or
what
have
you
hormones
heavy
metals
pathogens
Etc
before
they,
of
course,
as
you
know,
put
it
into
the
reservoir
above
the
dam
and
into
our
drinking
water
supply,
use
it
for
the
minimum
flow
for
the
Hillsborough
River
below
the
dam,
where
fish
of
Tampa
Bay
come
up
rivered
in
the
spring
to
spawn
or
storing
any
of
it
in
the
aquifer.
There
are
no
Florida
or
United
States
drinking
water
standards
yet
established
that
set
safe
levels
of
the
contaminants
known
to
be
in
reclaimed.
Water,
in
other
words,
under
current
law.
S
So
if
staff
are
telling
you
they'll
treat
the
reclaimed
water,
do
current
drinking
water
standards
they're
again,
not
telling
you
the
whole
story,
they're
leaving
out
the
most
important
part
saying
you'll
meet
current
drinking
water
standards
is
irrelevant
to
the
question
of
human
health
and
environmental
safety
and
fails
to
equate
to
a
sufficient
safety
standard
for
pure
and
no
amount
of
funding
that
you
could
provide
for
staff
can
result
in
the
creation
of
standards
that
we
must
have
to
know.
If
this
water
is
safe,
it's
not
for
any
of
us
to
set
those
standards.
S
It's
way
above
everyone,
here's
pay
grade,
it's
the
job
of
the
state
and
federal
officials,
even
for
the
type
of
contaminants
for
which
we
do
have
standards.
There
are
questions
to
be
answered.
The
study
should
capture
Peak
contaminant
levels.
Those
can
vary
by
day
and
hour,
so
it's
likely
that
the
staff
might
have
missed
those
Peak
contaminant
levels
and
their
measurements.
What
do
Industries
dump
into
the
sewer
system?
What
time
of
day
does
that
happen?
We
really
need
a
more
rigorous
contaminant
study
and
it
needs
to
be
available
online.
S
According
to
the
National
Water
Research,
Institute
quote,
more
monitoring
is
needed
to
support
further
development,
design,
implementation
and
long-term
operation
of
the
Tampa
pure
project
and
is
described
in
recommendations
below
monitoring
is
needed
not
only
for
the
traditional
parameters
such
as
total
dissolved
solids,
total
organic
compound
and
nutrients,
but
also
for
pathogens
and
microbial
circuits.
In
an
array
of
chemical
constituents
of
concern,
including
recalcitant
Organics
in
Wastewater
sources.
S
This
is
type
of
pollution
contamination
that
we'd
be
dealing
with
for
the
first
time.
We
have
no
experience
with
that
up
to
date,
so
if
the
staff
tells
you
that
they
do,
they
don't
I
understand
now
that
some
of
you
may
favor
reverse
osmosis
Ro.
That
would
eliminate
the
concern,
as
that
would
eliminate
100
of
all
contaminants
leaving
just
H2O
cool
right.
S
S
Why
should
Tampa
taxpayers
foot
the
bill
for
a
reverse
osmosis
system
when
there
is
already
a
big
one
right
here
in
Hillsborough
County,
one
whose
cost
was
born
not
just
by
about
half
a
million
Tampa
taxpayers,
but
by
these
several
million
taxpayers
of
the
entire
Tampa
Bay
Region,
the
Tampa
Bay
water
system
could
be
expanded
and
Tampa
Bay
water
could
build
additional
Ro
systems
and
they're.
Thinking
about
that.
Why
should
Tampa
have
its
own
duplicate
system?
That
would
add
to
the
cost
of
our
water,
far
more
than
relying
on
Tampa
Bay
water.
S
For
the
rare
occasion
when
we
need
a
little
more
than
the
river
can
provide,
there's
some
old-timey
thinking
in
the
city
among
staff
and
heroin
Council
going
back
decades
that
we
have
to
have
our
very
own
system
that
we
can't
trust
a
regional
system
that
fear
would
result
in
a
very
expensive
luxury
of
a
duplicate
system
or
our
own
somewhat
less
expensive
system.
That's
inferior
to
what
we
already
have
available
through
Tampa
Bay
water.
So
what
would
the
cost
be?
S
Can
make
Elmo
work
here?
You've
probably
seen
this
before
this
was
presented
to
you
on
May
20th
last
year,
budgeternic
Consulting,
but
we
really
don't
know,
staff
haven't
told
us,
they
haven't
told
you.
What
we
do
know
is
that
it
could
mean
an
average
increase
of
anywhere
from
35
to
79
a
month
on
our
water
bills.
S
Please,
and
thank
you
for
the
action
that
you're
taking
today
say
no
today,
say
no
tomorrow
and
say
no
forever
to
this
hair
brained
plan
and
tell
the
mayor
and
her
staff
to
get
to
work
on
doing
our
part
for
a
regional
solution
that
doesn't
Rob
our
City's
capacity
to
solve
our
real
problems.
Thank
you.
Questions.
B
B
D
Want
to
say
thank
you
so
much
for
bringing
that
up
when
we
approved
the
six
pilot.
That
was
my
one
of
my
questions
was
well.
What
is
in
the
Wastewater
that
we're
trying
to
get
rid
of?
They
couldn't
tell
me
so
they
said,
though,
that
I
mean
in
theory
a
pilot
test
would
have
a
benchmark
and
then
what
else
were
so?
D
Hopefully
we
should
have
that
information
available
once
that
study
is
done,
that
will
at
least
give
us
a
baseline
of
what
we
are
currently
putting
out,
because
that
was
my
first
question
too,
like
how
do
you
improve
upon?
If
you
don't
know
what
you're
right.
S
But
you
still
don't
know
if
you
reduce
it
to
something
greater
than
zero,
if
that
is
a
safe
level,
exactly
a
little
girl
like
the
little
girl
who's
here
today
and
Mr
Gabbert
said
they're
going
to
live,
fear
forever
drinking
that
water
all
her
life.
What's
that
going
to
do
to
her,
we
don't
know,
but
let's
take
a
chance
and
find
out,
shall
we
thank.
S
Industries
was
listed
as
one
of
the
stakeholders
that
the
city's
assembled
along
with
friends
of
the
Hillsborough
River
and
League
of
Women,
Voters
and
so
forth.
Yeah,
okay,
okay,
yeah.
S
Right
and
basically,
as
as
we
characterized
earlier,
the
leaders
of
the
water
industrial
complex
are
now
being
considered.
Stakeholders
like
citizens
are.
P
Thank
you.
You
wrote
this
study
down
by
the
city,
the
tests
eight
deliverable
done
by
Corolla
Consulting,
that
was
our
final,
was
October
2020.
that
had
a
very
intense
extensive
study
of
the
contaminants
in
the
Wastewater,
the
drinky
water
and
the
raw
water
and
there's
a
big
appendix
I,
didn't
print
out
the
appendix.
But
it's
like
the
stick.
So
if
you
request
that
I
mean
I,
can
it's
a
big
document?
I
might
be
able
to
share.
D
A
B
N
D
Going
on
no
because
I'm
I'm,
looking
for
for
our
Baseline
today
in
2023
and
that's
what
they
said
in
that
sixth
pilot,
they
should
be
able
to
give
us
the
Baseline
of.
What's
now,
I
mean
2020
is
a
fine
one
as
well,
but
I'm
the
project
that
they're
putting
on.
Currently
that
pilot
should
answer
that
question.
D
P
Can
I
just
mention
I
mean
I've,
raised
questions
about
this
report
and
I've
questioned
whether
12
samples
of
a
Wastewater
contaminant
is
enough
and
whether
the
the
actual
measurements
were
complete
and
actually
caught
the
highest
levels
of
the
contaminants
and
they've.
Never
responded.
I
responded
to
that
question.
J
Carlson
I
would
just
like
to
make
a
motion
to
ask
the.
What
do
you
call
yourselves
working
group
or
something
I
forgot
stakeholder
group
citizens,
the
citizen
stakeholder
group,
to
come
back
to
give
us
an
update
at
the
August
31
Workshop.
K
K
B
We
have
a
motion
receiving
filed
by
councilman
Scott
you're
seconded
by
councilman
Carlson,
all
in
favor.
Thank
you.
Information
reports
will
be
up
to
tonight's
session.
We
are
adjourned.