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B
All
right
just
a
couple
things
before
we
begin
with
item
number
15.
B
number
eight
was
a
motion
that
I
had
made
and
there
is
a
written
report
for
this
agenda
and
if
it's
all
right
with
Council
I'd
like
to
just
ask
for
a
motion
to
receive
and
file
the
motion
from
council
member
clendenna,
second
council
member
Carlson,
all
in
favor,
aye
aye
and
then
for
item
number
nine
Mr,
Carl,
councilman
Carlson.
This
was
your
motion.
Would
it
be
agreeable
with
you
to
continue
this
to
May,
23rd
and
I'm,
going
to
ask
the
same
of
item
number
14.?
E
E
I
think
I
think
Stephen
that
one
doesn't
have
to
be
a
long
discussion.
It's
just
that
it.
It
should
be
I
think
it
should
be
incorporated
into
this
planning.
F
B
So
we'll
just
leave
that
then
item
number
14
Council
Pennsylvania.
This
was
your
motion.
Would
you
be
agreeable
to
continuing
this
to
the
May
23rd
Workshop.
B
H
Good
afternoon
Council
Abby,
thiley,
Deputy,
Administrator
development
and
growth
management
for
the
city
item
number
15
is
a
motion
related
to
safety
and
parking
lots
in
Ybor,
City
and
I
just
want
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
background.
The
original
motion
on
this
was
made
in
September
of
2022
for
staff
to
report
back
in
December
in
December.
H
We
came
before
you
and
asked
for
additional
time
to
February
and
then
in
February
we
came
and
asked
for
today's
date
and
you'll
see
on
the
next
slide
that
we
have
had
a
series
of
meetings
with
different
stakeholder
groups
and,
through
those
groups,
have
been
able
to
touch
on
other
individuals
related
to
this
matter.
When
I
think
about
this
matter,
I
really
think
about
it
in
two
pieces:
the
physical
conditions
of
the
lots
and
and
how
they
are
meeting
the
code
and
then
the
operational
aspects
of
the
lots.
H
And
while
the
regulations
for
the
Lots
live
inside
the
Land
Development
code,
development
coordination
doesn't
enforce
them.
Code
enforcement
does
and
then
we
have
other
aspects
of
these
operations
that
impact
tpd.
So
this
has
been
a
collaborative
effort
between
development
coordination
code
enforcement,
which
you
see
Keith
with
us
today.
Tpd
Megan
and
and
Captain
College
are
here
with
us
today
and
then
also
we've
had
Susan
Johnson
Velez
from
the
legal
department
working
with
us
on
this.
H
So
over
the
past
year
we
have
had
these
different
meetings
and
then
there
were.
There
was
a
multiple
of
discussions
that
that
were
had
parking
lot:
Personnel
versus
security,
the
fencing
and
Landscaping
wheel
stops
where
the
lots
are
pay,
Lots
versus
non-paid
lots
and
ongoing
enforcement,
regularity
of
enforcement
so
and
and
I'll
tell
you,
there
has
been
robust
dialogue
to
say
the
least,
on
on,
what's
been
going
on
and
and
the
direction
that
we
need
to
take.
H
H
This
goes
to
the
physical
conditions
of
the
Lots,
so
when
the
matter
came
up,
we
started
to
handle
this
I
asked
for
some
of
my
team
members.
We
had
a
old
historic
parking
lot
list
from
Gloria
Moretta
that
was
in
in
an
old
drive
somewhere.
So
we
had
that
that
had
a
lot
of
historical
information
on
it,
and
then
we
had
some
information
from
the
neighborhoods
on
where
they
had
seen.
H
Lots
popping
up
and
I
asked
some
of
Keith's
team
and
my
historic
preservation
team
to
work
together
and
go
out
and
do
an
inventory
of
what
we
saw
were
lots
given
our
capacity
and
what
we're
processing
it
took
us
a
little
bit
of
time
to
get
that
together
and
really
what
they
were
looking
for
as
they
went
out,
there
was,
was
the
property
being
used
as
a
lot?
That
was
the
first
and
foremost
question
and
then
based
on
these
conditions
that
are
in
the
code,
you
know
what
appeared
to
be
in
compliance.
H
The
last
part
of
that
was
all
of
the
Lots
in
Ebor
should
have
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
from
the
Barrio
Latino
Commission.
It's
a
it's.
A
staff
approval,
so
we
then
cross-referenced
all
the
data
we
collected
with
that
last
piece
was
which
ones
of
these
have
BLC
permits.
H
We
also
used
some
Google
Earth
and
some
other
things
just
to
see
how
long
they
had
been
there
had
they
been
in
operation.
Were
there
cars
there
different
things
like
that?
H
It
was
my
idea
to
then
send
out
a
letter
to
the
operators
and
let
them
know
hey.
It's
come
to
our
attention
that
maybe
these
lots
are
not
meaning.
The
current
regulations
we'd
like
to
give
you
six
weeks
to
review,
what's
going
on
and
come
into
compliance
or
address
the
deficiencies
that
may
be
associated
with
your
lot
on
those
letters
went
out
on
August
15th
and
we
gave
them
through
October
1st
and
in
the
interim
Eric
Cotton
Dennis
Fernandez.
H
We
held
a
technical
advisory
meeting
that
if
you
want
to
come
in
and
talk
about
your
lot
or
what
a
regulation
meant
come
on
in
and
we
would
have
resources
available
to
you
to
go
through
that
and
we
had
people
show
up
for
that.
I
was
present
for
that.
So
we're
now
at
the
point
where
enforcement
is
slated
to
begin
coming
this
next
week.
H
There
was
nothing
from
stopping
us
as
a
city
from
just
going
out
and
enforcing
and
and
doing
one
Mass
citations
all
over
the
place.
But
I
really
felt
like
this
is
a
community
effort.
We
need
to
give
people
a
little
heads
up
of
what's
going
on
and
how
are
we
going
to
handle
this
so
in
terms
of
physical
conditions
of
the
lots
that
is
where
we
are
today
and
Keith,
has
a
team
and
will
be
working
through
enforcement.
H
If
somebody
is
actively
pursuing
with
us
correcting
something
or
there
was
never
a
BLC
permit,
now
they're
trying
to
get
one.
You
know
if,
if
they're
actively
engaged
with
trying
to
resolve
the
matter,
you
know
we're
going
to
work
to
work
with
them
and
not
go
out
and
be
like.
Okay,
now,
you're
excited.
If,
if
we
know
you
met
with
us
last
week
and
you're,
putting
your
application
in
or
something's
going
on,
our
ultimate
goal
is
compliance
right
and
to
have
these
Lots.
Looking
nice
and
and
meeting
these
regulations
across
the
district.
H
The
other
side
to
this
is
the
personnel
and
the
operational
side.
Currently,
the
code
does
require
that
the
paid
lots
have
personnel
and
I
have
this
up
for
you,
and
that
is,
and
and
I'll
tell
you
in
being
engaged
in
this
discussion
with
the
community
and
with
the
operators.
H
H
H
So
there
were
several
discussions
that
took
place
related
to
the
lot
operations
and
increasing
the
safety
of
those
lots,
including
keeping
the
status
quo,
with
increased
enforcement,
hiring
off-duty
law
enforcement
and
I
think
this
was
really.
The
guts
of
council's
motion
is:
how
do
we
ensure
safety
in
on
these
these
Lots,
because
those
lots
really
are
the
principal
use
of
the
property
right?
H
So
there
is
some
language
we
worked
on
and
I
noticed
in
prepping
for
this
the
other
day
that
it
is
a
little
bit
small.
So
I
brought
a
blow
up
of
that
if
necessary,
but
where
we
are
today
is
we
have
this
language
I'm
going
to
talk
through
it
with
you,
I'd
like
to
get
some
feedback
from
you
on
it
and
then
and
I'll
come
back
to
the
slide
in
just
a
minute
and
then
my
next
steps
is
I
would
like
to
go
back
out
to
the
community
and
conduct
two
public
meetings.
H
The
first
one
October
from
the
time.
I
turn
this.
In
until
now,
we
have
that
date.
It's
going
to
be
October
11th
at
I
believe
5
p.m.
At
the
HCC
room
and
I'm
working
with
Janelle
McGregor's
team
to
get
communication
out
on
that
and
inform
all
the
stakeholders,
and
then
we
are
working
on
securing
the
second
date
for
December
related
to
this
as
well,
and
then,
through
this
process,
we
have
created
a
email
address,
called
Ebor
parking
Rags
at
tampagov.net.
H
That
has
been
in
effect,
since
we
sent
the
letters
for
anybody
to
provide
any
information
on
that.
In
addition
to
holding
these
two
public
meetings,
I
would
like
to
collect
written
comment
from
anyone
who
would
like
to
provide
it,
and
then
it
would
be
my
goal
to
consolidate
the
feedback
from
these
meetings.
Whatever
comes
in
and
written
comment
and
come
back
to
you
in
February
now,
I
just
saw
your
February
Workshop
agenda,
it's
a
little
thick
already.
So
if
that's
not
the
date
that
we
decide
on
today,
that
that
is
fine
as
well.
H
So
I'll
just
go
back
to
the
language
and
as
I
mentioned,
we
did
work
on
this
with
the
legal
department
and
with
Megan,
Newcomb
and
and
tpd
as
well.
H
And
what
is
being
proposed
is
that,
instead
of
an
attendant,
the
lot
operation
require
one
on
duty,
uniform
private
security
officer
licensed
by
the
state
of
Florida,
and
then
it
says
that
would
be
visible,
clearly
visible
from
the
public
right-of-way
and
who
shall
remain
on
the
premises
from
the
same
amount
of
time
and
then
we
struck
or
until
such
time
as
all
vehicles
are
removed
from
the
lot
or
garage.
Whichever
is
earlier
because
some
people
leave
Vehicles
there
till
the
next
day,
and
we
recognize
that
having
somebody
out
that
past
that
time
is
not
necessary.
H
So
the
second
is
that
if
you
have
again,
if
you
have
two
adjoining
Lots,
you
would
still
be
able
to
have
that
same
officer.
You
serve
both
of
them
and
then
for
any
lots
that
are
larger
than
150
spaces
and
I've
been
working
with
our
team.
I,
don't
think
we
have
any
I
will
double
check
that
I,
don't
think
we
have
any
of
those
and
then
also
for
special
event.
H
So
it's
really
just
changing
that
attendant
to
be
a
different
caliper,
a
person
just
to
let
you
know
there
have
been
some
other
discussions
and
I
am
engaging
Erica
Moody,
the
new
CRA
director
with
this
as
well.
There
have
been
to
some
discussions
about
potentially
setting
up
something
through
the
CRA,
where
that
lot
operators
would
pay
a
fee
of
some
sort
into
a
fund,
and
then
that
fund
would
pay
for
security
throughout
the
district
versus
it
being
a
lot
by
lot
type
of
situation.
B
So
I
had
a
a
couple
of
questions.
Sure
you
had
mentioned
about
director
moody
in
discussions
of
possibly
setting
up
a
fund.
Would
that
be
to
hire
uniform
private
security
guards,
or
would
it
be
for
more
police
officers.
I
Let
me
interrupt
I,
don't
believe
the
CRA
would
be
leving
a
fund.
It
would
be
city
council
that
would
have
to
come
up
with
that
okay
process,
but
we
could
talk
about
that
further
at
the
CRA,
okay,
okay,
typically
as
a
cra,
the
CRA
can,
with
Tiff
funds,
fund
community
policing
efforts
with
Tiff
funds.
The
completion
community
policing
policy,
though,
has
to
be
adopted
by
city
council.
It
cannot.
B
How
would
that
affect
insurance,
that
the
property
owners
would
have
to
have
like
I
mean
I
know
that
some
restaurants
have
parking
lots
in
Ebor
I,
don't
know
I
mean
when
an
insurance
carrier
ensure
the
person
knowing
that
you
have
an
armed,
individual
or
I.
Don't
know
I,
don't
know
I'm
just
thinking
out
loud,
but
anyways
I'll
stop
there
councilman
Clinton
and
you
have
your
mic
on.
Yes,
a.
F
Question
on
the
kind
about
how
you
derived
at
the
Thursday
Friday
Saturday,
is
there
quantitative
information
about
like
PD
calls
or
incidents
that
allowed
you
to
fall
on
the
just
the
three
nights
versus
the
other
nights
of
the
week
or
why
those
three
nights?
Not
why
not
seven
or
why
any
is?
Is
there
data
to
support
that.
H
Days
are
what
is
in
the
code
right
now,
right
and
I
didn't,
but.
F
Have
I
think
it
was
I,
wouldn't
want
to
see
justification
data
on
this
stuff
like
what
are
the
are
there?
Are
there
calls
as
PD
field
calls,
and
you
know
during
these
times,
are
there
incidences
on
these
times?
What
is
what
what's
happening
in
these
parking
lots
that
we
need
to
be
aware
of
that
kind
of
thing.
E
Leading
up
to
this,
there
were
some
question
in
the
community
about
who
we
talked
to
and
who
we
did
in
advance
and
I
just
want
to
say
for
the
record
unless
I
miss
an
email,
only
one
person
reached
out
to
talk
to
me
and
I
didn't
have
any
other
conversations
with
anybody
else.
If
anybody
has
comments
on
this,
you're
welcome
to
email,
us
all
or
email
me
or
talk
to
me.
E
The
only
person
I
talked
to
was
Jason
McCarty
who's
in
the
room
and
I'll
get
to
his
issue
in
a
second
the
the
thing
about
the
CRA,
though
there
it
could
be
that
there's
some
confusion
as
ycdc
or
City
development
Corp
is
trying
to
maybe
spin
off
to
be
separate
again,
whereas
it
is
that
group
and
the
the
other
things
they're
looking
at
could
end
up
being
the
funding
source.
But
then
it's
separate
from
CRA,
maybe
I.
H
Think
all
I
was
trying
to
do
was
capture
that
this
is
a
multi-faceted
discussion.
That's
taking
place
with
a
lot
of
different
ideas
that
are
leading
back
because
I
think
when
it
first
kicked
off,
ycdc
was
leading
a
lot
of
the
discussions
with
Eric
coming
as
the
code
discussion
portion,
and
some
of
this
is
Way
Beyond.
A
Land
Development
regulation,
so
I
think
we're
trying
to
just
I
was
trying
to
just
make
the
point
that
we're
working
on
it
from
a
number
of
different
sides
and
and
trying
to
find
the
best
solution.
E
So
I
think
Mr
Cartier.
His
representative
may
say
this
in
a
few
minutes
anyway,
but
as
I
recall
from
the
conversation,
one
of
his
main
concerns
is
that-
and
he
does
this
all
throughout
the
country
he
says
his
insurance
carriers
won't
insure
him
if
he
is
required
to
have
armed
guard
or
armed
guards
or
police
did
you
have
you
checked
in
or
that
at
all.
E
Just
I
mean
one:
we
want
to
make
sure
of
the
legality.
Whatever
we
put
forward.
Of
course,
I
guess
legal
will
have
to
look
through
so
that
we
don't
end
up
with
any
problems
there
there.
There
are
concerns
about
crime
and
e-board,
and
another
thing
is
that
that
the
police
I
think
you've
done
a
ride
along
with
them.
E
I'm
not
up
three
o'clock
in
the
morning,
but
I
think
that
they
have
been
sweeping
everybody
out
at
three
o'clock
in
the
morning
to
make
sure
their
people
aren't
just
hanging
around
in
the
parking
lots.
E
But
the
the
other
thing
is
that
when
they're
on
the
street
or
in
the
parking
lots
they're
also
coming
from
somewhere,
and
so
we
have
to
address
the
issue
of
as
I
as
I've
talked
to
police
officers.
There
are,
there
are
fights
that
start
in
bars
and
then
they
carry
on
out
to
the
parking
lot
or
the
streets.
And
if
we're
kicking
everybody
out
at
three
in
the
morning,
they
could
carry
on
to
other
neighborhoods.
So
I
don't
know
how
we
can
address
those
issues.
E
C
Thank
you
and
I
just
wanted
to
go
back
to
why
we
did
this
Motion
in
September,
for
some
from
the
New
York
Council
Members,
we
were
having
trouble
with
honestly
shootings
other
types
of
issues
down
in
Ebor
and
the
I
did
a
ride,
along
with
the
police,
to
help
shut
down
Ebor,
and
one
of
the
things
that
was
mentioned.
Multiple
times
was
the
fact
that
they
were
having
to
send
a
lot
of
officers
out
to
do
this.
C
Work
which
took
away
from
the
community
took
away
from
District
three
on
Thursday,
Friday
and
Saturday
nights,
and
so
went
back
into
the
code
and
found
out
lo
and
behold
that
parking
lots
are
supposed
to
have
attendance
to
help
with
this.
So
that
was
not
happening,
and
so
that
was
the
whole
reason.
This
was
brought
forward.
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
all
the
background
on
it
and
I'm
really
impressed
with
the
with
the
community
input.
You've
done
with
this
and
I
think
this
makes
perfect
sense.
C
J
K
Thank
you,
councilwoman
hertact,
for
that
background,
I
mean
I.
Think
this
is
and
again
the
the
point
on
the
armed
guards
is
obviously
very
relevant.
You
talk
about,
you
know
escalating
a
situation
from
a
risk
liability
perspective
for
insurance
carrier,
obviously
that
that
would
certainly
do
it,
but
you
know
obviously
be
very
supportive
of
this.
K
We
want
to
make
sure
that
property
owners
are
are
I,
think
empowered
is
the
wrong
word
to
use
but
made
to
do
their
fair
share
whenever
it
comes
to
public
safety
issues
and
and-
and
certainly
this
is
something
that
puts
that
forward
and
and
I'm
supportive.
But
again
we
do
want
to
inquire
on
the
armed
issue
because
that's
obviously
very
important.
K
We
don't
want
to
pass
something
that
is
either
ineffective
or
just
can't
be
put
into
place
for
whatever
reason,
but
yeah
I
haven't
I
mean
as
an
attorney
I
I
haven't
done
premises,
security
cases
in
a
long
time.
It's
it's
been
probably
12,
13
years
or
so,
but
yeah
I
mean
there's
a
number
of
issues
that
can
arise
from
that,
so
we'll
have
to
check
up
on
it.
But
again,
thank
you.
K
Councilman
her
attack
for
bringing
this
forward
because
I
think
this
is
good
and
it's
and
it's
good
by
the
way
to
see
how
you
know
somebody
like
councilman,
her
attack
did
goes
into
the
community
with
our
police
officers
and
Ybor
City
and
goes
hey
look.
This
is
something
we
ought
to
look
and
again
you
you
go
put
yourself
in
the
situations
like
that
and
you
find
out
problems
that
you
can
think
about
solution,
and
so
this
is
a
good
perspective.
Example
of
that.
So
thank
you.
B
L
Thank
you,
sir
I
appreciate
everything.
That's
been
said
and
everything
that's
going
on
this
situation
is
who's
responsible,
I
had
some
about
a
year
year
and
a
half
ago,
I
had
some
casual
conversation
with
people
in
Ybor
City,
and
they
were
saying
well,
we
need
help.
I
said
what
kind
of
help
you
need.
Well,
the
problem
starts
between
one
o'clock
in
the
morning
and
three,
something
like
that
behind
the
the
business
in
the
parking
lot
I
said
in
where
the
people
coming
from
apologize.
L
Coming
from
some
of
my
businesses-
and
my
answer
was
to
didn't,
like
it
I
said.
Well,
maybe
you
ought
to
do
something
to
break
them
up
before
they
go
out
there,
because
we're
not
responsible
for
what
you're
doing
to
leave
your
place,
but
I'm
sure
they
wasn't
drinking
Coca-Cola.
So
there's
something
to
it.
That
has
to
do
with
alcohol.
I
said
and
the
alcohols
are
very
responsible
thing
for
you
guys
to
look
at
because
that
comes
with
your
license.
Something
happens
and
it
continues
to
happen.
L
Then
you
have
a
problem
with
your
license,
so
I
said,
but
I'm,
just
in
a
quick
math,
as
we
were
talking
about
it.
If
you
have
two
lots
that
are
joining
and
I
know,
minimum
pay
is
15,
I
put
twenty
dollars
on
because
more
likely
there's
some
charges
at
the
agency
that
has
these
officers
has
to
do
and
I'm
just
taking
a
shot
at
this
I.
Don't
know
if
I'm
right
or
wrong
that's
360
dollars
times.
L
Two
is
seven
forty,
and
if
you're
going
to
go
to
another
area
where
you
have
to
work
extra
and
all
that
that's
another,
it's
1440
a
day
and
I'm,
not
saying
I'm
right,
but
I
was
doing
this
right,
quick.
If
you
have
a
lot
that
has
150
parking
space,
the
same
thing
applies
and
if
you
have
under
four
there,
if
you
have
a
a
permit
for
a
special
event,
those
people,
the
security
guards,
have
to
be
two
hours
notice.
L
G
L
L
So
it's
going
to
be
quite
expensive,
which
I'm
not
against,
but
I
have
to
be
Clarity
to
have
a
piece
of
clarity
that
certainly
the
city's
not
starting
with
all
this.
This
has
happened
because
we
have
lined
the
areas
on
both
sides
and
that's
what
they
needed
at
that
time
to
make
it
an
event,
plays
a
nice
people
go
and
have
fun
and
have
dancing
and
drinking
or
whatever,
and-
and
these
are
the
things
now-
these
are
the
repercussions
of
things
that
we've
done
as
a
city
not
individually
as
a
city.
L
The
police
officers
I'm
sure
are
tired
of
going
up
and
breaking
up
things
and
there's
been
some
problems
in
some
of
these
parking
lots
that
are
not
seen
right
here
in
the
Forum
that
I'm
looking
at
other
problems
that
have
occurred.
So
it's
up
to
all
of
us,
including
the
property
owner
of
the
business
and
or
the
subcontractor
who
rents
the
building,
to
make
sure
that
the
people
that
are
in
there
are
now
wackles
or
they
haven't
drunk
too
much
to
be
a
wacko.
And
these
eyes
see
it.
F
Stephen
a
question:
is
there
somebody
from
Tampa
PD
here
to
talk
about
this
this
year?
Okay,
good,
so
we're
gonna
hear
from
them
next
I'm
assuming
sorry
frankly,
because
what
I
want
to
know
is
I
mean
because
honestly
I
think
a
little
bit
as
a
quagmire,
because
if
you're
operating
a
business
you're
responsible
for
the
business
that
you
operate,
you
can't
be
responsible
for
somebody
else's
business.
So
I
think
I.
Think
this
you
have
to
cut
through
all
of
the
of
the
smoke
here
and
say.
Is
there
a
need
or
is
there
not
a
need?
F
You
know?
So,
if
you're
operating
a
business,
is
there
a
need
for
the
security
base
for
publicity
for
for
Public
Safety
or
is
there
not?
And
if
you're
operating
a
business
you
have
that's
part
of
the
cost
of
doing
business
if,
if
we
identify
need
but
I
want
to
see
quantitative
or
I
want
to
hear
from
subject
matter
experts
that
there's
actually
a
need
for
this,
for
you
know,
instead
of
just
intuitively
I
want
to
you
know,
that's
what
I
want
to
see
for
the
for
this.
For
this
proposal.
Armed
security.
J
F
That's
what
I'm
saying
that
I
want
to
see
if
there's
a
need
for
this
new
language
or
because
this
is
this
would
be
right
now,
there's
no
armed
security
in
there.
F
But
they're
supposed
to
so
that's
that's,
that's
just
our
lack
of
not
enforcing
the
current
rules.
So
that's
not
so
we
already
have
a
rule
that
they're
supposed
to
be
attendance.
So
now
now
we're
both
now
we're
asking
them
to
add
the
additional
thing
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
there
is
in
fact
is
there.
Some
is
there
an
actual
need
which
we
haven't
heard
yet
for
so
I'm
waiting
to
hear
that?
Thank
you
all.
H
Right
and
I
think
you
said
it
this
morning:
I
mean
we're
dating
this
language.
We're
not
married
yet
you
know
we're
we're
starting
with
this,
and
then
we
will
we're
taking
it
out
to
coffee
and
then
we'll
we're
gonna
Workshop
it
with
the
community
in
the
next
two
months
and
then
we'll
come
back
to
you
in
February.
M
B
M
E
If,
if,
if,
if
tpd
is
able
to
clear
folks
out
between
3
and
3
30,
so
that
gets
rid
of
the
late
late
like
after
hours,
loitering
issue,
then
if,
if
some
of
the
or
you
can
tell
me
your
expertise
on
this,
but
if
some
or
most
of
the
conflicts
start
in
a
bar
and
then
spill
out
into
the
street
in
the
parking
lot,
is
there
a
way
to
identify
those
people
that
are
having
problems
as
they
exit
the
bars
and
escort
them
out
of
Ebor?
M
Sure
so,
when
the
bar
is
empty
at
three
o'clock,
they're
pushed
out
mostly
up
onto
Seventh
Avenue
in
the
sidewalks,
it's
a
very
Dynamic
and
fluid
situation.
M
We
have
officers
positioned
at
static
post
throughout
Seventh
Avenue
and
both
north
and
south
of
7th,
because
those
problems
once
we
deal
with
them
on
Seventh,
they
may
flare
up
again
on
a
side
street
or
on
8th
Avenue,
Central
or
anywhere
you
could
you
pick
any
location
if
people
are
determined
to
keep
fighting
they're
going
to
find
each
other
again
and
fight,
so
we
do
our
best
to
clear
the
street
and
encourage
people
to
get
back
to
their
cars
and
leave
the
area.
M
E
Is
there
do
the
do
these
fights
if
you
clear
them
out
of
eboard
of
the
fights
go
to
wherever
the
the
folks
came
from,
they.
M
May
or
may
not,
I
can't
answer
that
because
if
they
don't
live
in
the
city,
we
wouldn't
know
about
that
and.
E
Then
and
then
what
if
a,
if
a,
if
a
big
fight
happens
at
a
bar,
especially
if
somebody
draws
a
weapon
besides
the
security
of
the
barter,
they
call
you
all
right
away
and
then
how
are
you
able
to
if
you
don't
arrest
them,
are
you
able
to
escort
them
out
of
eboard
at
that
time
or
what
I.
M
E
Staff
by
the
way,
but
what's
your
recommendation
on
that.
M
I
would
say
and
I'm
sure
councilwoman
her
Tech
has
probably
seen
this
as
the
bars
clear
out,
but
it's
more
of
detection
by
the
officers
on
the
static
post
of
fights
or
disturbances,
more
so
than
a
phone
call,
because
you
see
them
as
they
develop.
So
you
see
a
large
group
if
you
notice
people
fighting,
hopefully
there's
no
weapons
involved,
but
we
do
our
best
to
enforce
the
law
and
keep
the
peace.
C
Thank
you,
and
you
know
thank
you
for
all
the
work
that
you
all
do.
It
is
really
cool.
I
mean
I,
highly
recommend
staying
up
one
night
and
doing
it
because
they
have
it
down
to
a
science
about
how
they
get
everyone
out.
But
the
issue
isn't
getting
people
off
of
7th
Avenue.
C
It's
getting
them
out
of
the
parking
lots,
and
that
was
the
thing
where,
literally
after
they're
all
moved
off
of
7th
Avenue
and
into
parking
lots,
then
the
police
have
to
get
in
their
cars
and
just
drive
around
and
stop
and
ask
people
to
move
along,
and
that
is
not
instead
of
going
back
out
to
do
what
they
normally
do.
C
That's
the
issue
of
hey:
don't
you're,
not
you
can't
hang
out
in
lawyer
in
the
parking
lot,
but
when
you're,
drunk
and
you've
had
an
evening,
you
just
want
to
kind
of
hang
out
with
your
friends
for
like
two
or
three
more
minutes
and
they're
saying
no.
No,
you
need
to
move
along
and
I
wrote
with
some
officers
who
just
did
a
phenomenal
job
at
being
jovial
and
friendly
and
joking
and
they
weren't.
C
You
know
you
have
to
have
the
touch
with
people
who
are
inebriated
to
just
get
them
to
do
what
you
want
them
to
do.
It's
this
it's.
It
is
definitely
a
gift
that
your
officers,
who
do
that
work
have
and
I
can
see
why
they
don't
last
very
long
at
it,
and
no
just
because
of
the
the
anxiety
that
would
also
go
along
with
it,
because
what
doesn't
go
too
well
together
is
alcohol
and
guns,
and
we
have,
as
a
society,
encouraged
more
gun
ownership.
C
So
this
is
a
natural
progression,
and
so
that's
really
for
me.
The
big
issue
is
once
those
folks
get
to
the
parking
lots
it
TP.
There
should
be
a
few
officers
driving
around
but
not
20
to
22.
I
mean
I've,
just
never
seen
anything
like
it.
It
was
just
a
giant
swarm
of
police
officers
driving
around
and
around
and
around
over
and
over
again,
and
that's
what
these
either
employees
or
security
officers
or
whatever
that's
kind
of
where
they
come
into
play.
There.
F
C
But
they're
there
and
just
being
present
is
like
hey.
You
can't
loiter
here,
there's
already
rules
for
not
loitering
in
a
parking
lot,
so
they
can
say,
hey
sorry,
you
can't
lawyer
here
that's
their
job
instead
and
again,
freeing
up
the
police
officers
to
go
back
to
doing
what
they
are
supposed
to
do,
which
should
be
out
in
District
3
doing
you
know,
other
answering
other
calls
that
that
was
the
overall
issue
for
me
is
that
at
some
point
it
it
they're
already
supposed
to
have
an
employee.
J
B
A
J
People
still
do
that,
but
I
kind
of
remember
now
I
want
to
ask
you
a
question
in
terms
of
the
safety
of
the
security,
the
future
security,
or
you
know
that
that's
not
present
now
non-city
employee
in
terms
of
having
a
job
like
this
at
this
late
hour,
trying
to
get
people
out
of
a
parking
lot
and
the
safety
of
the
person
who
would
be
assigned
this
task
or
work
for
a
parking
lot
as
a
parking
lot
attendant
and
they're,
not
police
officers.
M
Man,
that's
a
challenging
question.
I
think
that
stories
from
my
wheelhouse
slightly
but
I'm
happy
to
answer
that.
I
believe
that
security
guard,
just
by
presence
itself,
would
assist
one
making
people
feel
safer.
It's
an
extra
set
of
eyes
for
us
yeah.
J
M
J
For
me,
yeah,
okay,
because
for
me
I
just
think
that
it
has
to
be
a
collaborative
relationship
with
that
particular
employee
regarding
their
safety
as
well.
As
you
know,
having
the
ability
to
get
in
touch
with
Tampa
police
officers
were
trained.
J
You
know
just
in
case
something
you
know
can
go
wrong.
I
I,
don't
want
to
imagine
what
that
is.
But
my
mind
is
just
thinking
about
the
safety
of
the
individual
employee,
that's
working
isolated
alone
in
a
parking
lot
and
maybe
not
having
the
skill
sets
or
training
to
address
certain
issues,
and
you
know
needing
to
have
access
to
an
officer
because
it
made
me
think
back
to
you
know
high
school.
At
McDonald's
we
used
to
have
a
police
officer
there
on
Dale
Mabry
and
Spruce.
Yeah
Jefferson
hung
out
there.
J
You
know
officer
Northrop
retired,
police
officer
now,
but
you
know
what
I'm
saying
so
that
constant
presence
of
a
real
police
officer
is
something
that
we're
doing
now,
although
it's
not
our
responsibility,
because
it's
written
in
the
code,
I
just
kind
of
feel
like
there
still
needs
to
be
a
connection
to
real
law
enforcement,
maybe
not
in
the
high
numbers,
but
in
the
in
the
dismissal
hour.
Our
presence
still
be
a
part
of
this
situation.
It's
just
someone
I
just
want
to
say
that
publicly,
but
thank
you
for
answering
the
questions
so.
F
J
M
Sure,
I
really
don't
have
an
opinion,
either
way,
I
my
appearance
here.
My
understanding
is
just
to
answer
questions
on
events
that
occur
anymore.
That.
E
Just
as
one
follow-up
council
member
Clendenin
just
briefly
referred
to
the
fact
that
there's
there's
no
requirement,
at
least
in
this
summary,
for
the
parking
owners
to
clear
out
at
three
o'clock
in
the
morning.
Is
that
is
it
legal
for
us
to
add
that
requirement
and
and
what
would
be
the
implications
of
it.
N
And
help
help
out
Captain
College,
even
though
I
I
don't
know
the
answer.
To
that
specific
question.
That's
a
good
question.
Councilman
Carlson
I,
don't
know
the
answer
of
that
question.
I
can
find
that
out
for
you,
because
I'm
not
a
land
use
lawyer,
but
a
couple
of
things
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
for
you
all
I
believe
that
the
proposed
language
for
that
came
from
this
ordinance
says
a
licensed
security
officer.
So
I
don't
believe
it.
It
indicates
it
must
be
armed.
N
The
State
of
Florida
licenses
license
issues
license
for
people
to
become
security
officers.
They
have
different
types
of
licenses,
so
they
can
be
armed
security
officers
or
unarmed
security
officers.
So
I
wanted
to
to
clarify
that
and
then
the
other
thing
was
the
dates.
Thursday
Friday
Saturday.
All
of
that
we
kind
of
just
used
the
current
ordinance
as
a
model,
and
that
was
just
because
that's
what
we
have
and
so
as
to
questions
about
the
dates
and
the
times,
and
all
of
that.
N
That's
where
we
started
I
started,
certainly
can
appreciate
all
of
the
comments
from
you
all,
but
that's
just
a
little
bit
of
clarification.
There's
one
other
thing:
I
wanted
to
point
out:
oh
yes,
the
it's,
my
understanding
that
City
of
Tampa
owned
parking,
lots
and
parking
garages
do
employ
security
officers,
and
so,
at
least
from
my
perspective,
when
I
came
in
working
for
the
city,
that
was
when
this
came
up.
That
was
part
of
the
reason
why
we
proposed
this
language
is
because
sort
of
an
equivalency
and
from
the
police
department's
perspective.
N
They
were
asked
to
look
at
crimes
that
occur
in
city-owned
parking,
lots
and
city-owned
parking
garages
versus
crimes
that
occur
in
privately
owned
parking
lots
in
Ybor
City,
and
there
is
a
correlation
from
what
I
understand
that
the
crimes
occurring
in
City
parking,
lots
and
garages
are
lower
versus
the
crimes
in
private
parking
garages.
So
that's
essentially
the
involvement
of
the
police
department
and
me,
as
the
police
department
attorney
the
land
use
stuff
I
would
have
to
defer
to
the
other
attorneys
about
that.
C
They
did
bring
those
numbers
thanks
for
reminding
me
Miss
Newcomb
that
was,
and
I
actually
did.
I
I
parked
in
a
city
parking
lot
and
I
actually
spoke
to
the
officers
on
or
the
security
officers
on
duty
and
I
said.
C
You
know,
I
asked
them
if
they
thought
you
know
if
if
they
had
any
issues-
and
they
said
no-
that
really
they
were
just
there
to
make
sure
people
were
that,
could
they
people
apparently
also
have
trouble
finding
their
cars
later,
which
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
and
so
he
said
he
did
a
lot
of
people
helping
helping
find
their
cars
and
and
helping
with
he
said
most
of
the
stuff
was
were
things
like
if
they
had
something
happened
to
their
car.
C
You
know
helping
facilitate
that,
but
to
Mr
to
councilman
Carlson's
point.
It
would
be
hard
to
close
the
parking
lots
at
three
only
because
of
the
employees
of
the
establishments
that
are
closing
immediately.
They
would
still
need
I.
Think
that's
why
four
o'clock
was
chosen
so
that
the
employees
of
the
businesses
could
get
out
and
get
in
their
cars.
So
that's!
What's
in
our
it's,
it's
been
in
the
language
for
a
long
time.
Ten
to
four
has
been
the
attendant
language.
C
No
they're
not
required
to
close
it
for
because,
as
Miss
feely
mentioned,
some
people
who
say
drank
too
much
and
then
got
a
ride
with
their
friend
Tusa
or
what's
the
designated
writer
or
they
or
they
found
a
new
friend
that
they
went
home
with.
H
I
could
just
speak
to
that
for
a
moment,
so
the
language
that's
currently
in
there
from
the
10
pm
to
the
4
a.m
is
concerning
the
attendant
it's
not.
Concerning
the
Lots
overall
operation.
I
appreciate
Megan,
clarifying
too,
that
it
is
a
uniform
private
security
officer.
I.
Think
part
of
what
the
discussion
brought
back
when
we
were
out
in
the
community
was,
if
you
have
an
attendant
there.
Nobody
really
knows.
Sometimes
the
attendant
sits
in
a
car
sometimes
they're
there
and
they
leave
sometimes
they're
in
regular
clothes.
H
Nobody
had
an
idea
of
who
was
actually
out
there
facilitating
the
operation
of
the
lot,
so
I
think
that's
part
of
the
visual
deterrence
and
getting
someone
there
who
is
uniformed,
but
that
did
not
imply
that
they
were
armed.
So
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
and
I
mean
when
a
piece
of
land
is
a
principal
parking
lot
just
like
in
downtown.
They
are
open,
24
hours
right,
so
I
wouldn't
think
that
again
this
speaks
to
the
attendant
not
to
the
lot
itself.
H
O
Good
afternoon,
Steve
mcilenia
first
I'd,
like
to
you,
know,
make
a
general
comment
that
my
client
had
tried
to
meet
with
some
of
the
council
members
in
advance
so
that
we
weren't
limited
to
the
three
minutes
and
we
were
prohibited
from
doing
that.
So
I'm
going
to
try
to
get
through
all
of
the
material,
but
in
the
event
that
I,
don't
I
requested
to
give.
Please
give
me
a
little
additional
time
all
right.
Let's
just
start
with
a
premise
that
the
crime
doesn't
start
in
the
parking
lots.
Nobody
goes
to
Ybor
City
to
park.
O
They
they
go
there
for
something
else.
They
go
there
for
a
restaurant
or
for
entertainment
of
some
kind
and
so
I
think
we're
kind
of
looking
at
this
backwards
where,
where
crime
is
is
starting,
doesn't
have
anything
to
do
with
a
paid
parking
lot
versus
an
unpaid
parking
lot.
Whatever
regulations
are
adopted
by
the
council
should
apply
to
all
parking
lots.
O
It
makes
no
sense
it's
an
area-wide
problem,
it's
not
a
specific
location
problem
and
when
the
city
talks
about
well,
they
have
you
know
police
and
in
their
parking
lots
they
they
have
garages
and
and
lots
that
are
have
a
thousand
spaces
you're
talking
about
parking
lots
from
private
owners
that
have
100
to
130
spaces,
so
the
economic
impact
on
them
is
far
more
severe
than
it
would
be.
On
a
smaller
I
mean
on
a
much
larger
venue.
O
When
you
talk
about
you
know
the
paying
for
this.
This
really
doesn't
belong
in
a
private
venue
for
for
police
protection.
It
really
belongs
with
tpd,
and
the
funding
should
come
from
cra.
As
Mr
Massey
pointed
out.
It
requires
a
motion
from
Council
to
establish
that
process
going
to
the
CRA,
but
they
have
the
money.
They
collect
the
money.
The
owners
previously
had
offered
in
one
of
the
meetings
to
create
a
fund
to
help
offset
the
cost,
but
they
did
that
voluntarily.
O
No
one
told
them
they
had
to
do
it,
but
if
they're
going
to
be
included
in
that
you
know
the
other
businesses
should
all
be
involved.
So
and
that's
why
I
get
back
to
the
CRA,
because
the
CRA
collects
money
from
every
business
and
every
property,
and
that's
that's
rightly
where,
where
it
belongs,
there
used
to
be
what
was
called
an
eboard
City
squad
that
did
nothing
but
on
weekends,
Thursday,
Friday
Saturday.
O
If
they
only
dealt
with
with
Ybor
City,
we
had
worked
out
some
language
which
we've
transmitted
to
the
city,
but
the
advisory
letter
that
went
out
with
the
alarm
and
the
alert
didn't
specify
until
about
a
week
or
so
ago
what
those
issues
were,
and
then
they
were
told
to
try
to
comply
and
the
compliance
measures
were
so
severe
that
it
would
take
thousands
of
dollars
and
many
months
to
accomplish.
That
I'd
like
to
ask
of
course
more
time
but
go.
B
O
So
when,
when
you
talk
about
the
Ybor
city,
parking
I
mean
this
is
a.
This
is
a
chart
that
was
given
to
us
by
tpd
we're.
O
A
O
O
O
That
makes
no
sense
whatsoever,
so
one
of
our
requests
is
to
make
the
the
rules
apply
to
all
parking
lots
and
then
make
the
the
criteria
reasonable
and
we'll
be
happy
to
meet
with
the
staff
in
the
workshop
settings
with
Abby
and
her
and
her
staff
to
come
up
with
with
reasonable
Solutions.
We
have
our
own
documents
regarding
language
and
we've
submitted
that
to
them
for
consideration.
O
But
when
you
get
into
the
process,
like
I
said,
nobody
goes
to
Ybor
City
to
park,
any
more
so
than
they
go
to
park
in
the
stadium
parking
lots
they're
not
going
to
the
parking
lot
they're
going
to
an
event,
and
so,
if
you
want
to
control
the
activity,
you
control
it
at
its
source,
not
at
the
receiving
side,
which
apparently
it
becomes.
The
parking
lot
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
have.
J
Yes,
I
do
hi
as
the
property
owner.
Were
you
aware
of
the
ordinance
that
was
in
place
for
security.
P
B
P
Right,
hi,
I'm
I'm,
president
CEO
of
717
parking
and
also
partner,
was
with
the
cardi
Property
Group
Steve
touched
on
a
lot
of
the
things
I
was
going
to
mention
today,
but
I
want
I,
want
counsel
to
understand
that
I've
been
in
the
parking
business
for
33
years.
My
twin
brother,
John
and
I
started
the
parking
company
back
in
the
late
80s,
I
guess
and
we've
been
operating
parking
in
Ybor
City
for
over
30
years.
P
In
that
time,
a
lot
of
things
have
changed
over
30
years.
You
know
they
formed
the
ycdc.
They
brought
on
good
leaders
within
the
City
Community
like
Vince
Pardo
and
others
that
looked
at
code
regulations
not
only
for
bars
and
restaurants,
but
for
parking
lots
and
during
that
period
of
time
you
know,
we've
met
with
tpd.
We
met
with
the
neighborhood.
We
met
with
local
businesses
trying
to
understand
what
issues
people
have
as
it
relates
to
valet
parking
as
it
relates
to
surface
parking
garage
parking,
Etc.
P
P
P
Maybe
maybe
the
neighborhood
feels
different
I,
don't
know,
but
it's
important
to
us.
It's
also
important
to
the
group
of
property
owners
and
private
parking
operators
that
have
all
met
recently
and
talked
about
this
issue,
and,
as
Steve
mentioned,
we
proposed
to
Eric
Cotton
and
Abby
some
revised
language
to
the
code
because
it
came
to
the
committee
originally
that
and
just
let
me
step
back
for
a
minute.
P
20
years
ago,
I
sat
on
the
committee
of
Estee
michelini
Joe
Capitano
senior
Steve
itariaga
Joe
Howden,
who
represented
the
neighborhood
Vince
Pardo
held
it,
and
we
had
a
parking
committee
and
the
parking
committee's
job
was
to
look
at
this
ordinance
talk
about
the
standards.
How
are
parking
lots
set
up?
Should
they
require
landscaping
or
fencing?
Should
they
require,
require
Paving,
dry
valves,
Ada,
handicap
spaces?
How
do
we
want
the
parking
lot
to
look
and
feel
any
more
City?
P
P
Had
no
comment
on
security,
the
operator
stepped
back
and
said
sure
we
don't
mind
providing
an
attendant
a
lot.
Someone
visual
to
be
a
wayfinder
help.
People
with
paying
depart,
okay,
answering
questions
about
the
district
where
they
could
go
and
just
assist,
but
what
the
what
the
Personnel
do
not
do
is
they're,
not
law
enforcement
they're,
not
people
that
are
actually
licensed
to
carry
a
gun.
P
They
don't
have
the
training
that
tpd
officers
have
and
I
think
what
frustrates
me
as
a
private
property
owner
and
a
parking
operator
doing
it
for
30
years
as
Bill
mentioned
Nationwide
is
why
are
we
not
all
the
same?
What
difference
is
it
in
a
non-paid
parking
lot
in
the
district
to
park
there
and
maybe
they'll
get
mugged
or
I
hate
to
say
it
shot
or
whatever
could
happen?
Why
are
we
so
lucky,
because
we
want
to
charge
a
fee
to
our
parking
lot?
P
There
was
just
a
shooting
in
Midtown
as
an
example
not
need
more
City.
Unfortunately,
a
week
ago,
in
their
parking
garage
residents
live
there
retail
lives
there
and
guess
what
it's
free
parking
no
charge.
But
if
that
was
an
Ybor
City.
What
would
be
the
difference
in
my
point
so
I'd
like
to
just
set
the
standard
if
we're
going
to
meet
a
different
standard,
we're
going
to
look
at
the
code
I
like
to
recommend
to
the
city
and
Council
treat
everybody
the
same.
P
So
if,
if
I'm
going
to
a
a
residence,
if
I'm
going
to
an
office
party,
if
I'm
doing
whatever
they
should
meet
the
same
standard,
we
do
because
crime
isn't
coming
just
to
the
parking
lot
crime's
coming
because
what's
happening
in
the
neighborhood
and
what's
happening
around
that.
A
few
other
just
quick
points.
I
would
really
like
Tampa
Police
Department
to
get
up
here
and
make
a
comment
about
risk,
risk
and
liability,
and
what
they've
been
doing
in
the
district
Steve
brought
up
a
very
good
point
about
a
strike
force.
P
We
I've
been
in
plenty
of
meetings,
actually
one
of
the
meetings
we
had
just
recently
with
Abby
and
the
team.
We
talked
about
funding
on
our
end
as
private
owners
and
operators,
additional
police
departments
or
staff
to
roam
the
current
parking
lots
and
the
current
director
of
the
ycd
said
mentioned
a
year
and
a
half
ago.
They
already
started
that
program.
I,
don't
know
if
you
know
that
or
not,
commissioner,
and
under
that
program
we
kind
of
talked
about
okay.
C
P
A
P
P
Careers
actually
came
to
us
and
said
we'll
drop
you
if
this
is
a
requirement.
Ybor
City,
which
is
a
big
concern,
plus
Charlie
mentioned
earlier.
Excuse
me,
councilman
Miranda,
mentioned
earlier
about
the
economic
cost
of
actually
putting
armed
guards
in
a
parking
lot
and
how
that'll
affect
what
will
end
up
happening
is
we'll
have
to
shut
down
parking
lots.
Then
people
are
going
to
actually
move
more
in
those
neighborhoods.
Commissioner
I
mean
that's
Congressman,
sorry,
a
long
day
for
me,
council.
P
And
I
think
it'll
have
a
negative
impact,
but
I
think
if
we
work
as
a
community
with
a
neighborhood,
whether
businesses
to
figure
out
a
plan
where
tpd
look
at
what
they're
doing
I
think
it'll
be
a
benefit
to
everybody
in
the
in
the
district.
I
do
have
like
two
more
quick
comments:
okay,
wait.
P
F
F
So
is
the
only
difference
whether
they
are
trained
security
people
versus
untrained
security.
People
is
that
what
we're
looking
at
here
is
that
the
difference
between
well.
P
P
F
F
Have
training
I
do
think
it's
a
little
disingenuous,
comparing
Midtown
or
any
other
area
to
Ybor
City,
because
even
we
all
know,
Ybor
city
is
very
distinctive
in
many
ways,
including
crime
statistics.
So
we
have
to
count
it.
We
do
have
to
kind
of
carve
it
out
as
a
special
exemption
area
of
you
know,
especially
it
requires
special
attention.
P
P
Have
automation,
I
mean
I,
saw
fed
here
and
I
mean
he
could
talk
a
little
bit
come
up
here
as
well.
We
have
automation,
we
have
roaming
attendance
that
check
our
parking
lots
to
wayfind
to
assist
people
in
paying
to
park.
What
what
what
I'm
asking
the
city
is
to
be
open,
mind
to
the
Comets
of
people
that
are
affected
and
to
include
the
entire
Community,
which
means
to
me.
If
somebody
parks
at
a
non-paid
parking
lot
or
garage
in
the
district,
they
should
comply
with
the
same
standards
as
paid
parking.
F
A
A
P
You
go
to
Columbia
Restaurant,
Group
or
Santa
Stefano.
It
is
free
because
it's
reserved
for
their
customers.
So
there
are
free
options
in
Ybor
City,
but
Prime
doesn't
go
to
a
particular
parking
lot.
Crime
can
happen.
Unfortunately,
I
mentioned
Midtown.
It
can
happen
in
a
shopping
center.
It
can
happen
anything
it's
non-paid
and
what
I'm
saying
is,
if
you're
going
to
look
at
the
code,
look
at
it
for
everybody
treat
it
fair.
Why
is
it
paid
parking
lot
any
different?
P
F
Now,
just
playing
Devil's
Advocate,
though,
isn't
this
the
cost
of
doing
business?
So
if
you,
if
you,
if
you
create
that
business
in
an
area
that
alcohol
and
unfortunately,
Firearms,
are
frequently
found
together
in
that
area,
wouldn't
it
be
just
the
cost
of
doing
business
by
because
you
clearly
you've
done
very
well
and
you
thank
you
for
City
and
City
of
Tampa.
So
isn't
it
kind
of
just
the
cost
of
doing
business
for
the
type
of
your
business
model
that
you.
P
Have
as
long
as
everybody
complies
with
the
same
rules,
I
don't
think
we
have
a
problem.
Remember,
The
Operators
never
went
to
a
meeting,
saying
hey.
We
have
an
issue
with
the
Personnel
we
had.
We
had.
We
had
our
own
proposed
language
that
we
want
to
be
considered
by
Council.
It's
as
simple
as
that:
okay,
the
the
the
the
the
other.
The
other
thing,
which
I
think
is
is
very
very
important
to
us
is
we
would
like
more
involvement
from
tpd
they've
stayed
quiet
and
again
that
makes
no
sense
to
me.
P
You
know
I'm
concerned
about
safety
of
my
employees
of
that
employee
that
potentially
could
engage
in
a
situation.
I
was
a
criminology
major
at
Florida
State,
so
I've
done
plenty
of
ride
around
so
I'm.
Actually,
an
honorable
honorable
can't
talk
today,
honorable
Sheriff
as
well
so
I
understand
the
process
of
what
officers
deal
with
in
Peak
and
unpeak
areas
and
higher
crime
areas.
What
I'm
asking
is
is,
let's
get
tpd
involved.
P
O
O
That
would
go
a
long
way
toward
assisting,
not
just
the
businesses
but
the
residents
as
well
to
so
we
know
what
what
to
expect
and
then
the
solution
regarding
the
financing
and
the
funding
of
that
you
know
we
can
discuss
as
as
that
plan
is
developed,
but
it
would
be
very
useful
if
tpd
would
assist
in
developing
a
safety
plan
for
all
of
Ebor,
not
just
paid
parking,
lots
or
unpaid
parking
lot.
One.
P
More
just
quick
comment
in
the
last
probably
20,
plus
years
as
long
as
I
can
remember:
we've
actually
worked
with
tpd
and
allowing
them
to
actually
save
off
duty
office
officers,
vehicles
and
our
cars,
the
at
the
Blue
Ribbon
site
at
the
SunTrust
site
and
at
the
Valley
Bank
site,
which
we
all
own
and
allowing
them
to
actually
put
I,
don't
want
to
call
them.
Substations
I
know
what
you
call
them,
but
but
areas
for
them
to
essentially
get
quick
to
7th
Avenue
deal
with
any
right-of-way
issues
deal
with
anything
in
our
parking
lots.
P
O
The
last
thing
you
want
is
for
some
college
age
attendant
to
confront
to
confront
somebody.
That's
been
moved
off
of
7th
Avenue
and
tell
them
to
leave
and
then
back
to
councilman
Carlson
comment:
there's
a
state
law
that
prohibits
you
from
removing
cars,
because
tow
companies
were
towing
cars
that
were
left
there
overnight.
So
you
can't,
you
can't
do
that.
Thank.
L
Thank
you,
I
I
appreciate
all
the
comments
that
I
heard
on
both
sides
of
either
side:
Evo
City,
there's
two
City
parking
lots,
one
on
15th
and
between
seventh
and
sixth
and
the
other
one
is
Fernando
Noriega
parking
lot
on
Palm
and
I
believe
it
is
13th
or
14th
and
other
than
that
I
think
the
city
owns
some
land
on
the
north
side
of
7th
Avenue
on
the
parking
side.
I,
don't
know
about
the
south
side
of
7th
Avenue
I,
don't
know
the
city
has
any
parking.
L
Who
owns
a
parking
lot
on
15th
and
seventh?
That
goes
all
the
way
to
train
railroad
tracks
and
all
that.
Q
We
have
armed
security
guard
there
or
not
lot.
Q
So
we
for
each
of
the
surface
level,
we'll
have
one
officer
there
and
then
four,
the
garages
we'll
have
multiple
offices
there
for
the
garages.
Since
there
have
multiple
spaces.
L
There
and
the
next
question
to
myself
is
and
I
don't
know
if
you
know
this
answer.
If
anybody
knows
this
answer
and
those
lots
of
our
own
City
that
have
police
officers
all
the
time
versus
a
lot
that
we're
talking
about
now.
Is
there
any
quantitative
difference
between
the
activity
of
the
individuals
coming
out
at
three
in
the
morning
or
is
it
the
same
equal
amount
of
arrest
or
problems
that
some
guy
says,
you're,
ugly
and
the
guy
says
I
know,
but
I'm
gonna
beat
you
up.
Q
As
far
as
like
the
crime
activities,
or
is
there
I.
N
Yes,
that's
what
we
were
asked
the
police
department
was
asked
to
provide
and
the
most
recent
data
from
2023
shows
that
there
were
41
offenses
in
city-owned
parking,
lots
and
parking
garages
and
73
and
privately
owned.
L
N
There
were
six
Auto
burglaries
and
city-owned
lots
and
24
for
and
private
owned
Lots
in
2023
so
far,
and
then
the
next
biggest
one
and
City
Lots
looks
like
I'm
sorry.
The
same
would
be
criminal
mischief
which
is
damage
to
property,
trespass,
six
of
those
and
then-
and
there
were
let's
see,
trespassing
six
and
city-owned
lots.
Five
and
private
lots
for
criminal
mischiefs,
six
in
City
owned
and
foreign
private
Lots.
So
I'll.
L
Criminology
myself,
University
of
Tampa
but
I,
don't
follow
that
I
don't
possess
to
be
an
expert
because
I
haven't
never
done
it.
However,
then
what
we're
doing
at,
even
though
one
is
on
the
west
side
of
15th,
Street
and
7th
south
side
of
seventh
and
that's
the
main
one
I
believe
right
from
the
city.
Well,.
L
A
L
Was
45
minutes
looking
for
a
spot,
I
couldn't
find
one
even
paying
I
couldn't
find
it
until
I
told
myself
I'm
on
a
part-time.
You
know
what
over
here
in
this
parking
lot
and
to
wait
till
vacancy
becomes
available.
You
know
what
I
got
lucky
and
I
parked
on
22nd,
Street
and
and
7th
Avenue
at
Gaddafi
I
mean
for
free.
It
was
a
Columbia
which
I
was
going
there,
but
the
difference
then,
is
between
one
with
and
one
wizard
one
with
arm
one
with
not.
L
L
B
Very
much,
thank
you
very
much.
Any
videos
here
for
public
comment.
B
All
right
at
this
point,
Miss
Feeley,
do
you
need
any
motions
do?
How
do
we
perceive
because
I
saw
here
that
enforcement
goes
into
play
this
weekend,
October
1st,
and
that
is
with
the
armed
security?
Is
there.
A
H
B
A
H
The
first
one
is
Wednesday
October
11th.
Is
it
at
5
or
5
30
right
five
o'clock
at
the
HCC
room?
Okay,
and
we
are
going
to
send
out
information
on
that
to
anyone
we
have
been
in
contact
with
already
as
well
as
Community
engagement
has
been
working
with
us,
Janelle's
team
to
get
the
word
out
on
that
meeting.
Okay,.
C
I
think
what
you're
trying
to
do
is
get
information
from
us
on
how
to
proceed
and
I
think
that
they
make
a
good
point
about.
This
should
be
for
all
parking
lots
in
Igor,
I.
Think
I
think
that's
very
fair
that
that
should
be
discussed
when
you,
when
you
take
it
to
the
community
attendance
or
attendance
and
lots
or
Lots
so
I
I
do
think
that
we
need
to
look
at
the
the
fairness
of
that.
L
L
Q
L
M
L
So
I'm,
using
that
same
philosophy,
on
what
I
think
I
know
about
a
little
bit,
I
haven't
been
in
a
long
time
to
the
tpd
of
night
rides
and
all
that.
But
I
was
there
with
him.
I
had
the
facial
discovery
of
on
7th
Avenue
and
16th
or
17th
behind
it
was
building
there.
I
went
in
there
whatsoever.
Think
was
amazing,
I'd
walk
by.
They
know
where
I
was
in
five
seconds,
the
ugly
guy,
but
all
those
things
happen
and
I've
been
in
drive
around
when
they
had
the
peep
shows.
L
With
a
guy
who
became
a
commander
years
back
Smith
was
his
name
tall
guy,
very
nice
guy.
We
used
to
ride
and
we
should
show
me
what
it
was
going
on.
The
peep
shows
and
all
that
so
I
know
what
I'm
talking
about
there
and
if
it's
about
volume,
it's
about
the
size,
50
000
people
to
fit
in
twenty
thousand
Stadium,
but
20
000
people
to
spending
the
sixty
thousand
Stadium.
P
P
It
the
reason
why
we
we
back
20
years
ago
that
we
actually
implemented
Gene
wrestler
if
anybody
remembers,
was
the
parking
director
at
the
time.
It's
crazy,
I,
remember
all
these
names,
but
the
reason
why
we
did
this
was
to
provide
a
wayfinder
in
the
parking
lot.
It
had
nothing
to
do
with
security
at
the
time
and
had
to
essentially
collect
fees,
make
sure
people
are
paying
and
assisting
them
in
the
parking
lot.
Security
was
never
addressed
at
the
time
and
I.
Q
Just
wanted
to
provide
clarification
because,
with
the
armed
security,
this
is
not
armed
security.
The
current
code
just
asks
for
an
attendant
to
be
there
from
10
pm
to
4
a.m.
For
the
city,
it
just
makes
more
sense
to
have
a
contracted
armed
guard,
as
opposed
to
a
city
employee
out
there,
with
no
proper
training
at
night
dealing
with
so.
L
L
L
L
Information
their
way,
your
city
lot
is
very
nice
and
in
fact,
I
remember
I
used
to
be
there.
It's
where
the
tunnel
goes
from
under
the
street,
to
the
other
side
of
the
street,
that
they
say
the
mob
owned.
It
is
BS
and
I'm
not
talking
about
Barbra
Streisand.
But
what
I'm
trying
to
tell
you
is
that
all
these
things
ratio
belongs
on
the
size
of
how
many
people
fit
within
that
post
stamp
and
I'm,
not
a
police
officer,
but
I
know
how
they
think.
L
I
think
I
do
and
they're
very
nice
people
and
they
do
a
great
job.
So
anybody
who
wants
to
start
a
fight,
you
can
have
a
fight
right
downstairs.
Now
we
don't
even
know
it
and
we
have
12
spaces
outside
and
people
get
wackled
because
you
don't
have
to
be
have
a
couple
of
drinks
or
be
crazy.
You
want
to
show
off
or
you're
bigger
than
the
other
guy.
You
want
to
you
that
kind
of
stuff,
but
from
what
I've.
G
L
So
far
and
I'm
not
against
everybody's
Hair,
parody,
the
size
of
the
animal,
an
elephant
doesn't
fight
with
a
baby
ant
or
the
ant
is
a
fight
with
the
animal
because
he's
much
smaller.
So
in
your
case,
you're
doing
a
great
job
and
you're
Contracting
it
out.
Why
you
don't
want
to
pay
overtime,
you
don't
want
to
pay
insurance.
You
want
to
have
your
own
thing
going
on
and
I
agree
with
that.
You
don't
want
to
pay
vacation
time.
L
You
don't
want
to
pay
sick
time,
so
you
contract
it
out
and
I'm,
not
you
I'm
talking
about
the
city
you're,
just
the
gentleman
who
doing
a
great
job
for
the
city.
Thank
you,
and
these
are
the
things
that
I
recognize
now
as
we're
going
through
these
things.
Why
are
you
doing
what
you're
doing
the
city
is
and
that's
good
for
the
taxpayers?
L
F
F
So
I
I
just
want
to
drive
this
point
home
because
I
know
this
is
one
of
those
again
we're
not
marrying
we're
dating.
So
as
we
as
we
Court
every
further
into
this
courtship.
What
I'd
be
looking
for
is
quantitative
information
and
I.
Think
what
we
talk
and
and
do
you
need
emotion,
or
are
you
just
working
closely
with
PD
to
get
the
data
so
that
it'll
be
incorporated
when
we
come
next
time
to
this,
so
the
PD's
data
will
be
incorporated
into
the
information
you
bring
to
us.
H
Fine
I've
seen
a
nodding
of
the
head
back
there,
so
I
took
that
down.
What
I
would
like
is
that
and
I'm
aware:
I
know
that
there
are
some
items
already
on
your
February
workshop
and
I
think
we
could
move
some
of
those
items
out,
but
I
would
like
to
bring
this
back
in
February.
You.
F
Would
like
us
to
really
okay,
I
I'm,
supportive
of
that
and
also
on
that,
is
that
this,
this
Thursday
Friday
Saturday,
seems
kind
of
arbitrary
and
again
a
thing
of
the
past,
because
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
things
happening
on
people
City
on
Sunday
nights
now
bars
have
drink,
specials
and
so
Sundays
are
maybe
not
as
different.
I
will
argue
that,
by
the
way
that
I
think
statistics
are
statistics
and
yeah,
your
crimes
can
happen
anywhere,
but
it's
more
likely
to
happen
some
places
than
others.
So
that's
a.
L
F
So
so
I
would
like
to
see
that
data
so
and
be
a
correlate
data
for
the
justification
to
do
whatever
our
next
steps
are
going
to
be
so
have
those
hard
facts
available
for
us
and
that
being
said,
I
would
motion
to
continue
this
to
that
February
meeting
May.
L
C
L
E
E
Besides
the
other
feedback,
you
get
directly
from
the
officers
in
Ebor,
they
also
get
feedback
from
the
chief
of
staff
and
maybe
even
bring
him,
but
he
has
sat
in
it
personally
set
in
extensive
meetings
with
with
groups
of
property
owners
in
Ybor
City
and
has
taken
a
personal
interest
in
it
and
so
have
several
police
Chiefs.
So
any
any
feedback
we
can
get
to
to
handle
the
overall
crime
situation
we're
also
just
so
everybody
knows
we're
also
doing
things
to
change
the
perception
of
crime.
E
Gerald
Shaw
just
sat
at
a
dog
park
which
is
getting
people
walking
dogs
more.
That's
something
that
leads
to
the
visual
perception,
we're
doing
things
with
the
Arts
and
others
to
try
to
change
people's
perception
of
eboard,
but
we
we
do
need
to
affect
the
crime.
Thank
you.
E
Don't
think
Stephen
Benson's
in
here
the
the
idea
here
is
that
I
think
there's
some
simple
things
we
can
do
in
these
three
or
four
zones
and
Stephen
Benson
had
some
proposals
on
language
that
we
might
be
able
to
do.
That
would
be
a
parallel
path
to
the
to
the
other
planning
process.
Oh,
do
you
have
them.
D
I,
have
we
Council
Evan
Johnson
City
Planning
Stephen
Benson
had
some
conflicts
due
to
the
workshop,
dragging
on
a
little
later,
so
I'll
do
my
best
to
cover
for
him.
We've
had
some
discussions
based
on
the
July
code,
amendments
related
to
the
CD
zoning
districts.
Right,
we
discussed
the
motion.
D
You
made
a
motion
related
to
increasing
the
height
in
CD
One
zoning,
so
we
are
looking
into
that
for
we
had
actually
a
little
workshop
last
night
public
Workshop
discussing
that
was
one
of
the
Amendments
that
we've
lined
up
as
part
of
July,
so
that
will
be
coming
back
to
you
all.
Based
on
that
motion
and
Direction.
The
other
areas
that
were
brought
up
in
the
presentation
included,
I
believe,
was
an
update
to
a
previous
presentation
that
had
been
given
the
other
two
main
areas
were
Westshore.
D
The
West
Shore
overlay,
which,
as
is
now,
does
allow
up
to
FAA
height
and
does
not
have
height
caps
as
long
as
you're
within
the
overlay
itself
and
I
have
some
maps
in
the
presentation.
If
you
want
to
see
where
that
is,
and
and
I
think
the
other
ones
were,
you
had
downtown,
which
is
all
FAA.
D
That's
the
cap
and
the
only
real
place
where
that
we
had
identified
where
there
were
issues
along
Kennedy
was
in
the
Kennedy
overlay,
which
still
has
I
believe
mostly
that
I
want
to
say
it's
like
45
feet
height
for
those
areas.
That's
still
that
overlay
doesn't
actually
provide
that
flexibility
for
height,
so
that
was
an
area
where
you
had
umu
60
and
some
of
those
higher
density
intensities
allowed.
Where,
based
on
the
current
zoning
High
caps,
you
could
not
achieve
that
without
going
for
a
rezoning.
E
Yeah
and
just
real
real
fast,
the
what
I've
said
to
Neighborhood
leaders
and
also
developed
what
I've
said
the
neighborhood
leaders
is,
if
we
don't
allow
growth
to
go
somewhere,
they're
going
to
come
in
the
middle
of
your
neighborhood,
and
so
if
we
give
places
that
they
can
have,
we
can
have
maximum
growth
in
the
next
20
years.
Hopefully
that
will
help
us
to
grow
and
get
the
units
we
need
without
having
to
go
in
the
middle
of
all
of
all.
D
Yeah
and
I
think
right
now,
given
that
well,
first
of
all,
you
know:
Westshore
has
recently
loosened
some
of
its
regulations
on
the
updates
of
the
overlay,
so
the
height
has
been
allowed.
The
FAA
height
cap
has
been
allowed
for
some
time,
but
they've
reduced
parking,
which
is
a
significant
driver
of
how
much
Lane
you
use
when
you
build
something
so
I
think
there
is
an
opportunity
there
that
we're
going
to
watch
unfold
over
the
hopefully
the
coming
months
as
developers
get
wind
of
that.
D
As
far
as
the
Kennedy
Boulevard
itself,
the
piece
that's
in
the
overlay
to
that
is
an
area
that
we
could
look
into
more
and
do
some
additional
analysis.
I
think
the
issue
there
is
we've
seen
some
Amendment
activity
we've
seen
some
development
activity
but
I,
but
because
that
depth,
isn't
it's
not
significant
depth.
I
certainly
would
want
us
to
make
sure
that
we're
communicating
with
the
neighborhoods
and
having
conversations
now,
the
real
question
then
becomes.
D
D
E
There's
something
we
can
do
now.
We
should
do
it
because,
like
I
said
earlier
today
that
we're
missing
the
Capital
Market
crunch
right
now
is
money.
It
maybe
is
starting
to
tighten
up
based
on
what
people
are
saying.
We
need
to
move
if
there's
something
we
can
do
short
term.
Let's
do
that
and
then
we
can
do
the
longer
term
stuff
later.
But
if
we
wait
a
year
we're
going
to
miss
a
huge
economic
window.
F
F
D
F
D
So
and
I
think
that's
that's
what
we're
kind
of
addressing
right
now
with
well.
First
of
all,
cd1
we're
looking
to
increase
the
height
to
a
minimum
175.
and
truthfully
anything
over
about
130
feet
in
Channel.
District
will
have
to
get
FAA
approval
by
based
on
the
height
Maps.
They'll
have
to
go
to
the
aviation
Authority
and
request
it
anyways.
So
we're.
F
E
Why
can't
we
just
do
an
area-wide
rezoning
now,
instead
of
waiting
for
the
plan
to
comprehensive
plan
to
come
back?
Why
can't
we
just
do
that
and
I
mentioned.
The
problem
is
on
the
on
the
western
side
of
Meridian.
Sbp
is
going
up
to
the
right
maximum
limit.
On
the
other
side,
you've
got
Pier
House
by
the
Related
Group.
D
Yeah
and
I
think
the
you
know
the
Pier
House
site
I,
don't
it
went
through
several
iterations,
some
of
which
were
much
taller
back
in
the
day,
so
they
did
go
through
several
different
rezonings
with
different
owners.
It's
a
very
large
site
and
I
think
they
made
decisions
about
doing
that
kind
of
donut
Style
with
the
garage
wrapping
around
it
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
That's
the
one
that
has
some
of
the
biggest
green
space
in
the
area.
I
think
that
we
can
certainly
revisit
and
look
into
making.
D
D
Only
thing
I
would
say
against
an
area
wide,
rezoning
and
I'm
sure
Abby
would
also
might
have
a
comment
about.
It
is
the
fact
that
I
would
be
concerned
about
the
noticing
of
everybody
that
were
rezoning
their
properties
within
the
district
when
we
are
going
to
be
entering
a
code
reform
process,
and
so
that
was
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
were.
E
E
F
Can
inject
one
more
variable
before
you
answer
that
question,
because
also,
as
we
see
growth
and
development
from
the
central
business
district
transition
across
the
river
now
and
onto
Kennedy
kind
of
the
same
thing,
we're
talking
about
the
the
channel
side
and
the
incongruity
between
central
business
district
and
that
we're
going
to
create
another
thing:
we've
got
a
Related.
Group
is
building
the
one
high-rise
there
and
there's
a
couple.
Others
that
are
I
may
be
coming,
but
is
it
can't
we
get
consistency
amongst
these
areas?
H
Sure
Abby
Philly
I,
think
Stephen
discussed
with
you
last
week.
You
wouldn't
do
an
area-wide
rezoning
because
it
would
still
be
Channel
District.
You
would
just
change
the
height
for
the
cd-1
to
go
to
175
in
the
cd2
to
go
to
FAA.
The
one
thing
I
would
say,
though,
is
under
cd2.
You
only
get
an
allowable
far
of
up
to
three
and
a
half.
So
even
if
you
give
me
700
feet
in
the
air,
I
only
get
three
and
a
half
times
my
lot
in
development.
E
H
Let
me
just
finish
the
end
of
that,
because
anything
above
three
and
a
half
is
where
the
bonus
comes
into
play
in
the
channel
District
right
so
from
three
and
a
half
to
seven,
which
is
their
Max.
That's
where
you
get
the
bonus
agreements.
So
as
long
as
you're
operating
under
a
three
and
a
half
far,
which
is
three
and
a
half
times
the
building
to
the
land,
then
you
can
have.
If
you
change
it
to
FAA,
you
can
have
it
as
high
as
you
want.
H
The
unique
thing
about
the
central
business
district
and
the
channel
District
over
over
the
years
is
that
even
though
a
cd2
to
go
above
that
height,
you
became
site
plan
controlled,
there
was
always
a
set
of
uses
and
there
was
always
an
allowance.
It
was
a
real
zoning
District
right
when
you
do
PDS
in
the
rest
of
the
city.
They
don't
they're,
not
CI
with
a
PD
on
top
in
the
channel
district
and
the
central
business
district
CBD,
one
and
cbd2
have
uses
Heights
allowances.
H
Channel,
District,
1
and
channel
District
2
have
uses
Heights
allowances,
whether
their
site
plan
controlled
or
not.
So
if
you
went
through
a
channel
District
site
plan
controlled
there's
several
out
there
I
believe
there's
only
four
or
five
Parcels
that
would
becoming
online
for
this
development
and
then
redevelopments
right.
So
if
you
set
it
now
at
FAA
and
I
already
have
a
cd2,
that's
sight
plan
controlled
I
could
come
back
then
and
develop.
But
it's
that
that
intensity
cap
that's
going
to
stop
yeah.
E
But
what
in
in
like
I,
said
about
bonus
density
this
morning?
That
is
just
an
obstacle
that
slows
everybody
down
the
the
thing
developers
are
saying
is
it
takes
us
a
year
before
you
even
come
to
council
and
it
costs
a
lot
of
money,
and
so,
if
it,
how
can
we?
How
can
we
get
rid
of
all
that
for
the
areas
that
it
makes
sense
to
grow
in
and
the
same
thing
for
Dale
Mabry
between
275
and
Kennedy?
E
We've
got
Comp
USA,
that's
going
to
be
a
two-story
building,
it's
it's
crazy
that
we're
not
building
a
high-rise
Corridor
there
and
if
it's
the
density,
let's
let's
change
it.
What
do
we
need
is
isn't
that
what
city
council
does,
instead
of
doing
it
one
at
a
time
and
costing
developers
a
lot
of
money
and
taking
time
where,
where
you
heard
the
the
affordable
housing
people
saying
we
need,
we
need
units,
not
these
may
not
be
affordable,
but
they're
going
to
be
more
units
to
put
on
the
market
to
create
the
supply.
H
E
Application,
what
they're
saying
is:
why
do
we
have
to
apply
for
that
at
all,
just
give
us
the
maximum
density
maximum
height
for
those
areas
that
already
have
it.
We
give
it
across
the
street
for
the
CBD
right
see
account
city
council
doesn't
even
look
at
that,
but.
H
The
central
business
district
was
done
as
a
development
of
regional
impact
years
ago
and
all
of
the
impacts
associated
with
that
was
calculated
holistically
at
that
time,
creating
those
pots
of
entitlements
I.
We
can
look
at
that
as
far
as
the
channel
District
goes,
I
think
that
is
a
larger
conversation,
especially
because
both
the
central
business
district
and
the
channel
District
are
in
the
coastal,
High
Hazard
area,
and
you
had
an
extensively
long
conversation
about
that
this
morning.
H
So
I
think
we
need
to
balance
all
of
that
when
we're
looking
at
just
taking
off
our
intensity
limits
and
and
saying
you
can
have
as
high
as
the
sky,
but
by
the
way
you
are
in
one
of
our
Prime
evacuation
zones.
We
need
to
be
mindful
of
how
all
those
things
are
working
together
as
we
try
to
accommodate
a
streamlined
process
as
we
try
to
accommodate
things
coming
online,
faster
and
and
more
advantageous
to
the
market,
but
also
looking
at
our
resiliency
as
a
community
and
how
how
we're
continuing
to
grow
well.
F
I,
don't
think
anybody
wants
to
move
downtown,
Tampa,
so
I'm,
you
know,
I've
had
that
private
conversation
we're
stuck
with
the
downtown
we
have
in
the
location
that
we
have
is.
Is
there
any
reason?
Why
is
the
idea
of
having
Channelside
as
a
distinctive
district
from
the
central
business
district?
Is
there
any
reason
why
that
is
still
current
and
viable
today?
Is
that
why
not
just
have
it
all
the
central
business
district
rules
the
same
apply
across.
F
H
F
That's
what
I'm
saying
what
is
what
what's
the
real?
What's
the
real
issue
there?
Why
couldn't
we
just
say
you
know
what
for
all
practical
purposes,
somebody
flies
into
town
looks
at
the
downtown
City
of
Tampa.
They
don't
see
a
distinctive,
they
don't
see
a
line
of
between
downtown
and
Channelside.
It
all
looks
the
same
to
them.
I
mean.
Is
there?
Is
there?
Is
there
really
an
urban
planning
reason
to
have
these
as
two
different
areas,
I.
F
A
H
We
grew
right.
That's
what
happened
so
we
grew
those
things
filled
out
at
that
time.
Water
Street
was
never
contemplated.
Water
Street
came
into
play.
Now.
We
have
these
three
areas
that
merge
together
to
create
what
you're
discussing
as
the
downtown,
but
many
downtowns.
Even
in
large
cities
have
their
own
Niche
types
of
neighborhoods
I
mean
when
you're
in
Manhattan
you're
in
you're
in
China,
Town
you're,
here
you're
there
I
mean
they
still
have
their
own
character.
So
I
don't
know
if
just
blanketing
it
over.
That's.
F
What
I
asked
about
it
is
there
an
urban
planning
reason
to
have.
You
know:
have
these
two
different
areas
now
in
2023
does?
Is
it
still
justifiable
in
in
our
in
our
growth
and
development
planning
and
the
things
we've
kind
of
honestly
let
slip
through
our
let's
slip
through
our
fingers,
you
know
is,
is
it
is
it
is
it
out
of
the
cage?
You
know.
G
The
bonus
allows
you
to
at
least
bring
it
back
down
if
it
goes
wrong
or
if
something
happens
and
the
community
decides,
it's
no
longer
liking
the
direction
that
that
program
is
moving
in.
To
respond
to
your
question
about
the
motion
for
Channel
the
motion
that
you
made
when
we
presented
the
July
cycle,
we
added
Channel
District
to
that,
so
that
is
in
process.
We
took
it
to
the
public
meeting
last
night
and
talked
to
them
about
raising
the
the
height
for
cd1
and
so
we'll
be
bringing
that
back.
G
Probably
before
Thanksgiving
time
frame,
with
like
a
package
of
amendments
and
it'll,
probably
be
effective,
I
would
say
January
February,
but
that
one's
the
one
in
process
all
the
other
areas.
Those
are
the
ones
that
we'd
be
looking
for.
Emotions
if
you'd
like
to
move
forward
with
something
how
what.
E
I'd
like
to
do
is
you
all:
have
these
other
two
process
going
forward
they're
going
to
take
several
years
and
and
by
the
way
they
were
huge,
blanket
statements
made
in
that
presentation
earlier,
like
allowing
our?
What
is
it
RS,
10
and
most
of
South
Tampa
I
mean
it
huge,
blanket
things
that
didn't
didn't,
look
at
the
diversity
of
neighborhoods
or
or
regions,
and-
and
so
in
this
case,
we're
talking
about
three
narrow
at
least
three
narrow
corridors
that
we
can
look
at
if
Westshore
is
completely
resolved.
E
I've
talked
to
some
people
who
say
we
still
need
to
tweak
some
things
there.
But
if
we
don't
I'll
talk
to
you
about
that
offline,
but
at
least
tell
Mabry
at
that
one
section
of
Dale,
Mabry
and
channel
District.
If
we
can
Fast
Track
that
or
triage
it,
we
need
to
look
at
Kennedy
too,
and
that
I
know
that's
a
separate
process,
but
the
thing
that
we're
gonna
have
to
tell
the
neighborhoods
along
there
is,
if
you
don't
allow
it
on
Kennedy,
it's
going
to
come
into
your
neighborhood.
So
where
do
you
want
it?
E
G
Didn't
take
a
look:
we've
got
to
go
somewhere
sure
we
can
take
a
look
at
West
Shore
in
that
specific
location
and
and
and
we
will
bring
you
what
what
we
find
I
can
tell
you
that
this
last
amendment
that
came
through
did
increase
a
lot
of
the
you
know.
It
increased
a
lot
of
what
you
can
do
in
the
West
Shore
business
district
and
FAA
is
already
allowed.
So
what
they're
probably
doing
is
they're
going
above
FAA,
which
we
you
know
we
can't
control
how
much
higher
the
FAA
is
going
to
allow.
G
Think
we
can
bring
forward
an
analysis
of
the
western
overlay
to
see
what
additional
changes
can
be
done
to
encourage.
Should.
G
I
think
it
would
it
would.
We
would
probably
prefer
if
it
was
more
specific
to
say
looking
at
the
wish
or
overlay
to
look
at
increasing
and
when
height
I
think
we
would
probably
look
for
some
time
in
2024.
At
this
point,
January
February
I.
B
C
C
Okay,
because
that's
the
only
thing
I
don't
want
to
stop
the
the
requirement
for
having
to
put
affordable
housing.
I
have
no
problem
with
height
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
those
bonus
densities
are
still
in
there
and
so
we're
still
going
to
encourage
and
incentivize
building,
affordable
housing.
Correct.
C
E
Do
I
need
what
about
Channel
District?
Do
we.
G
E
The
okay,
the
that
section
down
my
okay,
just
have
motion
to
have
staff.
Come
back
on
on
February
1st,
to
report
on
possibilities
for
adding
density
and
height
along
the
Kennedy
Corridor.
We.
E
E
So
they're
going
to
change
their
mascot
now
you
know:
there's
a
there
every
10
years,
there's
a
proposal
to
take
over
the
the
property
there
and
relocate
the
school
or
make
it
vertical.
So
that
is
that
is
surfacing
again.
That
is
servicing
again.
J
J
G
I'll
try
to
move
very
quickly
through
this,
so
we've
been
a
lot
of
places
with
adus.
We
came
to
you
several
times
over
the
last
several
years
with
some
recommendations.
We've
done
two
surveys
already
that
were
open
for
city-wide
input.
We
presented
status
report
on
two
of
the
neighborhood
initiated
proposals
that
you
acted
upon:
the
East
Tampa
overlay,
as
well
as
the
Tampa
Heights
proposal.
So
we
sort
of
took
that
message.
As
you
know,
council's
really
more
interested
and
would
more
likely
to
be
entertaining
a
neighborhood
by
neighborhood
approach.
G
We
did
go
ahead
in
the
spirit
of
the
motion
meet
with
the
Davis
Islands
civic
association
in
Hyde
Park
as
well
Mary
Lou
Bailey
was
here
earlier.
She
wasn't
able
to
stay
into
the
afternoon,
but
we're
very
grateful,
because
Hyde
Park
did
prepare
a
very
extensive
summary
of
the
the
pros
and
the
cons.
There
were
a
lot
of
cons
and
a
lot
of
concerns
about
the
impacts
of
something
like
this,
so
we
really
kind
of
took
that
to
heart
and
given
the
limited,
really
staff
time,
we
have
to
focus
on
this.
G
The
limited
resources
that
we
have
it
is
our
recommendation
that
moving
forward
for
additional
areas,
exploration,
that
we
focus
on
areas
where
there
is
a
high
amount
of
interest
in
seeing
adus
allowed
and
also
a
high
amount
of
understanding
about
what
it
means,
and
so
we
we
put
another
survey
out
that
was
sort
of
a
thumbs
up
or
thumbs
down
survey.
This
just
shows
you
the
existing
areas
in
purple
and
the
areas
that
you
recently
approved
in
Orange,
so
you
basically
doubled
the
amount
of
allowable
areas.
So
congratulations
because
that
was
a
pretty
heavy
lift.
G
Unfortunately,
this
is
the.
This
is
the
result,
and
this
is
why
we
wanted
to
have
a
city-wide
approach.
If
you
have
different
rules
for
every
neighborhood,
you
end
up
with
different
rules
for
every
neighborhood
and
it
becomes
very
complex
and
burdensome
for
staff
to
administer
consistently.
G
We
are
up
to
the
challenge,
but
as
we
move
forward,
we
are
going
to
be
trying
to
focus
on
not
having
so
many
different
tweaks.
So
we're
going
to
be
not
only
looking
at
new
areas,
but
also
working
with
some
of
these
existing
areas
to
say:
hey,
East
Tampa
had
a
really
great
idea
about
their
adus.
Are
you
interested
in
incorporating
it
in
Seminole
Heights
and
vice
versa?
G
We
think
that
we
can
make
this
look
a
lot
more
consistent
as
we
move
forward
and
as
people
see
that
some
of
the
ideas
that
Tampa
Heights
put
in
place,
we
think
were
really
great,
like
the
no
more
than
two
unrelated
occupants,
but
unfortunately
the
general
code
didn't
have
that.
So
our
approach
and
I'm,
going
to
kind
of
fast
forward
through
this
to
get
to
the
end,
is
that
we
will
be
monitoring
and
collecting
feedback
in
the
areas
that
were
recently
approved
and
just
to
determine.
Has
it
worked?
Are
you
getting
adus?
G
Are
there
any
other
barriers
or
issues
or
concerns?
I
can
tell
you
a
lot
of
the
feedback
that
we
received
about
areas
that
wanted
us
to
focus
on.
Adus
were
areas
where
we're
already
allowed,
just
for
whatever
reason
the
dimensional
criteria
the
parking
requirements,
they
couldn't
actually
get
it
done
on
their
site
or
they
had
already
talked
to
zoning
and
Zoning
says
well.
You
have
to
do
this
and
this
and
this
and
it
wasn't,
it
just
wasn't
feasible
for
them.
G
So
how
can
we
go
about
making
that
a
little
bit
more
effective
and
making
it
easier
to
do
this
on
your
property
in
areas
where
it's
already
allowed,
but
also
focus
on
areas
where,
through
this
survey
process,
we
got
extremely
high
responses
and
extremely
high
numbers
of
Thumbs
Up?
We
want
them
and
we're
engaged
and
we
want
to
engage
with
you
in
this
conversation.
So
the
areas
that
we're
proposing
to
focus
on
would
be
these
three
zip
codes,
33604-33603
and
33605,
and
the
proposal
is
not
to
bring
you
an
ordinance
for
those
areas.
G
G
We
really
want
Tampa
heights's
overlay,
let's
go
talk
to
Riverside
Heights
and
tell
them
what
we
just
did
for
Tampa
Heights
and
just
see
if
we
can
open
that
up
a
little
bit
more
because
we
know
that
there's
an
interest
here-
and
we
know
this-
this
can
be
one
of
the
many
solutions
to
some
of
our
housing
issues,
not
the
Silver
Bullet
of
course.
But
since
these
areas
we
know
support
it,
let's
start
there
and
not
necessarily
start
in
areas
where
we
know.
There's
a
ton
of
opposition
or
a
ton
of
concern.
C
The
idea
of
trying
to
coalesce
some
of
these
new
new
ideas,
especially
some
of
the
stuff
East
Tampa
and
Tampa
Heights,
did
to
the
current
areas.
Seminole
Heights
I'm,
thinking
of
especially
as
having
you
you
I
used
to
have
to
deal
with
all
of
those,
so
I
I
think
that's
something
that
that
neighborhood
overall
would
be
really
willing
to
look
at
the
modifications.
C
The
only
other
thing
I
might
recommend
is
INS
I
mean
you
can
certainly
go
neighborhood
by
neighborhood,
but
if
there
are
three
or
four
neighborhoods
who
are
like
yeah,
let's
do
it
I
think
we
could
kind
of
yeah
group
those
together
and
and
just
get
it
going.
So.
Thank
you
so
much
for
this.
This
is
really
exciting
to
see
the
parts
of
the
city
they're
willing
to
to
move
forward
on
this.
Yes,
sir,.
L
G
Correct
so
when
we
did
this
survey,
we
were
looking
for
high
response
and
also
High
support,
both
so
the
areas
that
you
see
here,
we're
aware
people
responded
and
where
we
know
there
were
a
lot
of
people
that
were
responding.
Affirmatively
I.
L
Mean
I'd
like
to
take
you
on
a
tour
with
me.
In
fact,
I'm
going
to
say
something
now
I've
been
thank
you
for
a
long
time
see
I've
only
filed
one
lawsuit.
My
whole
life
that
was
in
1972
And
I,
promised
myself
within
a
very
short
time.
I
want
to
follow
another
one,
and
it's
going
to
be
like
this
I
guess
myself,
my
six
other
colleagues
and
the
administration,
because
this
is
more
likely,
my
last
term
and
certainly
their
last
term.
L
So
what
is
missing?
There
is
the
one
that's
got.
The
most
violations
of
in
a
quarter
of
a
mile
I
can
show
you
more
violations
there
than
in
the
whole
city
of
Tampa,
so
I'm
going
to
fix
it
one
way
or
the
other
before
I
leave,
and
let
me
tell
you
how
we
have
known
it
for
at
least
20
years
that
there's
been
people
living
in
residential
dwellings
that
are
not
Zone,
not
only
zone
for
dwellings
of
rental.
You.
L
But
you
have
to
report
it
and
then
your
your
tax
on
your
rental
property
is
about
three
and
a
half
times
the
tax
of
your
own
house
right
where
I
live.
My
tax
is
about
a
thousand
plus
250
for
the
Wastewater,
whatever
waste
water
drain
or
whatever
it
was
I
forget
what
the
name
of
exactly
right
now
right
next
to
me,
there's
a
house
with
four
units
in
it.
L
L
If
I
I
can
take
you
in
10
minutes
10
minutes
and
show
you
10
in
West
Tampa
that
they're
there
for
pretty
at
night,
because
during
the
day
they're
just
there
with
the
extended
unit
pull
out
out,
they
have
a
little
area
for
shade
and
you
go
by
at
night.
They
got
a
light
in
them.
So
I
guess
they
put
the
light
on
just
to
make
sure
that
the
canaries
don't
get
out.
L
L
L
All
the
pictures,
in
fact,
I'll
guarantee
you
that
if
we
were
to
go
and
do
what
the
what
was
here
about
Ybor
City,
if
I,
was
to
get
that
and
put
four
names
in
a
computer,
because
some
people
have
four
names
and
they
have
one
house
that
is
homesteaded
I'm,
taking
an
educated,
guess,
you'll
find
that
same
individual.
The
probability
is
there
to
change
my
wording.
The
probability
is
that
same
individuals
got
another
household,
set
it
with
three
names
and
it's
not
the
same
person
I.
L
L
Never
told
to
do
anything
in
fact,
when
you
read
the
court
enforcement
thing,
if
somebody's
recalled
any
of
our
eight
offices,
including
the
mayor's
office
by
law,
we
have
to
tell
them
who
called
us
that
if
you
read
another
two
paragraphs
down,
it
says
it
says,
and
then
it's
got
a
little
thing.
That
says,
however,
Court
enforcement,
if
they
find
it
themselves
and
they're
looking
for
it.
It's
acceptable,
I,
believe
that's
what
it
says:
I
don't
read
too
well.
Sometimes.
L
E
Switch
gears
for
a
second
just
to
remind
everybody
when
this
came
up
for
a
vote
six
months
or
a
year
ago
it
was
The.
Proposal
was
to
do
something
city-wide
and
at
the
time
there
had
been
very
little
Outreach
to
any
of
the
South
Tampa
neighborhoods
and
when
they
found
out
they,
they
strongly
opposed
it,
and
so
I
made
a
proposal
just
so
that
we
could
move
forward
with
the
rest
of
the
city
that
we
take.
South,
Tampa
out
and-
and
so
my
colleagues
at
the
time
expressed
some
concerns
about
that.
E
A
E
And
because,
first
of
all,
they
didn't
know
anything
about
it
and
second,
there
are
concerns
about
airbnbs,
moving
in
and
and
other
questions
which
are
being
answered
when,
when
Stephen
went
to
the
Hyde
Park
meeting
I
happened
to
walk
in
and
they
were
beating
them
up
pretty
strongly,
and
he
would
he
was.
E
He
was
doing
great
job
talking
to
him,
but
I
stood
up
and
told
everybody
we're
just
talking
about
this
in
concept,
and
so
he's
very
bravely
is
going
back
in
and
meeting
with
everybody
and
I'm
happy
to
go
with
you
to
talk
about
as
well.
I
think
if,
if
we
go
through
this
longer
process,
parts
are
all
of
South,
Tampa
May
accept
it,
but
but
we
need
to
go
through
the
process.
It's
not
fair
to
to
tell
any
part
of
the
city
that
they
must
do
something
because
a
few
activists
are
asking
for
it.
E
The
other
thing,
as
I
mentioned
you
all
I,
went
to
Austin
with
the
Saint
Pete
chamber
earlier
this
year
and
in
Austin
they
said
they
talked
about
the
need
for
building
10
times
the
number
of
housing
that
we
claimed
they
claim,
but
they
also
told
us
that
activists
there
had
pushed
for
adus
and
it
had
been
a
very
small
solution
that
it
was
nowhere
near
what
the
expectations
were.
There
were
promised
to
them,
and
one
of
the
reasons
is
the
cost
of
building
new
ones.
E
And
so,
although
this
is
a
piece
of
the
solution,
it's
not
going
to
be
a
catch-all
solution
for
everything.
Last
thing:
councilmember,
Miranda,
I'm,
not
afraid
to
support
you.
If
you
want
me
to
Second
a
motion
to
have
staff,
come
back
at
some
time
to
talk
about
the
illegal
units
of
West
Tampa,
so
I.
G
We
don't
need
we're
not
asking
for
Action
at
this
time.
What
we
plan
to
do
is
over
the
next
three
to
six
months,
we're
going
to
reach
out
to
these
neighborhoods
and
have
a
conversation
and
see
where
it
goes.
It
may
not
go
anywhere.
We
think
that
there's
promise
but
we'll
come
back
and
initiate
a
request.
J
Henderson,
thank
you
chair
really.
This
is
more
so
of
a
question
for
Dragon
Miranda
about
this
issue
that
you
don't
want
to
take
to
your
grade
before
you
address
it.
So
is
it
a
situation
where
you
believe
or
do
you
believe
that
folks
are
just
solving
their
own
housing
problems,
I'm
just
curious.
J
J
L
I
could
drive
through
you
have
semi
trucks,
the
tractor
and
the
trailer
I
see
now
tractor
and
trailers
parked
mainly
in
West
Tampa,
because
that's
when
I
look
at
the
most
because
I
drive
through
it
and
I,
don't
say
anything
because
they're
not
doing
anything
until
some
law
that
we
passed.
That
said
it
for
whatever
reason
and
to
have
the
reward
correction
of
the
of
the
wording
in
it,
and
so
they
can't
enforce
it.
That
was
a
month
and
a
half
ago
and
I
found
that
out
and
I
still
haven't
seen
an
orange
come
here.
L
They
found
it.
Let
them
fix
it,
whoever
they
were,
but
why
should
I?
Do
that?
Will
the
council
do
that
I'm
just
waiting
my
time,
I
know
where
they're
all
at
in
fact
there's
one
real
close
that
they
opened
the
gate.
They
built
a
gate
on
the
smart
side
of
the
street
so
that
the
tractor
could
go
in
and
stay
there
on.
L
While
they're
doing
and
I
understand
that
they
work
hard,
don't
get
me
wrong,
we
used
to
be
able
to
put
a
patch
on
the
windshield
that
you
can
just
tear
off
without
breaking
up
and
everything
very
nice
and
in
total
this
is
illegal.
This
is
the
section
of
the
law.
If
you
do
it
the
next
time
we're
going
to
pick
up
the
truck
the
tractor.
L
F
J
No
I
I,
just
I
was
curious
about
that
because
you
know
we
are
in
a
housing
crisis
and
you
know
sometimes
you
know
like
Joe
Joe
Robinson
said
implementation
is
not
our
strongest
suit,
so
you
know
people
decide
to
solve
their
own
problems.
J
I
I
do
believe
that
people
should
pay
their
fair
share,
and
maybe
this
is
a
situation
just
like
the
parking
in
Ybor
city
is
that
if
these
legal
housing
dwellings
exist
that
we're
going
to
have
to
provide
them
with
the
opportunity
to
correct
them
first,
so
I
just
want
to
say
that
for
the
record
and
okay,
if
I
may.
L
Four
or
five
years
ago,
I
drive
different
I,
say
it
all
the
time
I
come
home.
I
come
this
way.
Different
I
go
back
a
different,
so
I
can
see.
What's
going
on
and
one
day,
I
saw
a
couple
here
on
the
well
I
think
it
was
on
Lincoln
between
Kathleen
and
Eileen,
and
I
saw
a
nice
area
beautiful
nice
with
two
doors.
Now
you
show
me
what
house
has
two
doors
and
they
were
not
next
together.
L
One
was
here:
one
was
here
so
I,
looked
at
the
building,
I
see
a
little
structure
difference
and
when
that
house
came
up,
it
was
a
lady
asking.
Oh,
my
family's
moving
in
and
I'm
not
going
to
have
no
rent
I'm
not
going
to
collect
anything
and
I,
told
myself
they're
lying
through
their
teeth.
I.
Remember
the
address
for
32
something
so
I
followed
that
they
gave
them
one
to
one:
I
didn't
vote
for
it
and
I,
don't
blame
the
council,
they
don't
see
it
all
the
time!
L
Guess
what
happened
a
month
and
a
half
later,
what
happened?
The
house
would
put
a
for
sale
in
sold.
No
relative
ever
lived
there
now.
They've
got
two
apartments
there,
so
that's
what
they
do.
This
is
not
that
they're
doing,
because
they
want
to
help
somebody.
This
is
what
they
want
to
help
themselves.
L
J
J
E
Go
next
year,
yeah
I
wish
we
could
talk
about
this
stuff,
but
mayor
Welch
went
too
and
very
very
interesting
item
number
13.
We
we
keep
continuing.
This
I
would
like
to
continue
again,
though
I
I
met
with
Miss,
feely
and
and
Miss
Travis,
and
just
like
there
was
a
day
years
ago
when
there
were
no
regulations
around
drive-throughs,
because
drive-throughs
didn't
exist.
Now
there
aren't
cities
that
we
can
find.
Yet
that
have
regulations
about
this.
E
B
H
Ma'am
hi
Abby
feely,
Deputy,
Administrator
development
and
growth
management.
This
item
11,
was
related
to
requiring
landscape
plans
for
PDS
and
I.
Think
this
came
out
of
some
recent
cases
where
people
were
asking
for
waivers
of
trees
and
waivers
of
green
space,
but
then
they
were
saying
they
could
plant
stuff,
but
they
really
weren't
sure
they
could
plan
stuff
and
it
came
up.
We
went
ahead.
H
You
know,
peties
are
entitlement
plans,
they're,
not
engineered
plans,
so
sometimes
you'll
see
a
project
and
then,
when
they
finally
go
to
construction,
drawings
or
design
drawings,
they'll
see
that
there's
a
water
pipe
that
runs
through
and
now
they
have
to
shift
the
building
over
or
there
are
other
things
that
happen
and
the
final
engineering
takes
place
after
they
get
entitled
from
you.
So
we
did
look
at
other
jurisdictions.
We
looked
at
six
of
them
similar
to
us
to
see.
H
Does
anybody
require
a
full
landscape
plan
as
part
of
their
site
plan
development
approvals
and
they
don't
they?
A
couple
of
them
require
conceptual
types
of
of
plans,
but
that
that
was
what
we
took
a
look
at
for
you.
It
would
be
our
recommendation
that
maybe
we
do
some
sort
of
conceptual
for
those
that
are
asking
for
those
larger
PD
waivers.
The
other
part
to
that
is
whenever
anybody
does
a
PD
application,
they
do
turn
in
a
project
narrative
with
justifications.
H
H
Are
they
going
to
have
to
rezone,
so
I
I
get
where
you
are
in
the
decision-making
process,
because
when
somebody's
trying
to
ask
you
for
a
relief,
but
they
can't
show
you
what
they're
going
to
be
able
to
provide
you
and
I'm
going
to
tell
you.
This
happened
to
me
in
2006,
Z06
113,
with
Linda
saw
Senate.
It
was
the
GreenWise
Publix
in
Hyde
Park,
and
they
put
up
these
fabulous
elevations
that
showed
this
Lush
landscaping
and
the
whole
time
the
project
was
getting
constructed.
H
H
It's
you're
seeing
these
applications
you're,
making
these
difficult
decisions
when
somebody's
saying
I'm,
not
gonna
I'm,
waiving
40
000
square
feet
of
green
space,
but
look
I'm
gonna
do
this,
and
then
they
can't
give
you
that
Assurance
without
giving
you
a
dimension
plan
of
some
sort
or
something
more
than
just.
What's
on
the
site
plan.
C
I
appreciate
this
and
I
completely
understand
it.
That
is
why
I
still
kind
of
want
to
go
forward
with
the
idea
of
if
you
can't
make
your
Landscaping
plan
work,
there's
an
in
Luffy
and
you
gotta
pay
toward
a
park.
I
think
yes,
do.
We
need
to
have
some
landscape
there?
Yes,
but
the
reality
is,
as
we
become
more
urban
and
as
we
really
get
to
the
edges
of
our
of
the
available
building
envelope
that
that
we
need
to
provide
some
relief
in
terms
of
incentivizing
paying
for
parks
with
with
some
in-lu
fees.
C
H
Look
at
the
it
goes
into
the
park
district
that
they're
in
right,
so
it
does
vary
too
and
I
can
bring
you
back
that
map
at
another
time.
There's
a
map
and
it's
different
districts,
cost
different
amounts,
so
they
pay
those
amounts
and
it
goes
in
and
we
collect
that
at
permitting
goes
to
Parks
and
Rec.
Yes,.
C
But
I
I
don't
want
it
just
to
go
to
Parks
and
Rec,
but
to
the
closest
park.
Okay,
because
right
now
we
have
a
list
of
things
to
do
at
every
Park
and
that
incentivizes
the
neighborhood
to
to
really
work
with
the
developer,
because
that
immediate
area
is
going
to
see
some
type
of
benefit.
C
If
there's
not
a
park
in
the
area,
what
about
adding
trees
to
right-of-ways
like
what
other
Airways
can
we
incentivize
developers
to
help
pay
for
our
goals
if
they
can't
provide
it
right
there
and
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
the
increase
of
in-loot
fees
for
for
this
type
of
work,
a
landscape
plan
I
mean
absolutely
can
be
difficult
because
of
all
those
things,
but
I
think
if
we
provide
other
ways
to
for
developers
to
get
there,
I
think
it's
a
win-win
for
everyone.
L
Miranda,
thank
you.
You
know
talking
about
trees,
just
thanks
and
this,
and
that
because
of
development
or
somebody
rezoning,
a
piece
of
property
or
anything
like
that,
just
thinks
how
many
thousands
and
millions
of
trees
were
burned
in
California,
because
a
forest
fire
and
in
Canada
I
guarantee
you
there
have
to
be
five
million
trees
gone
or
ten
I,
don't
know
so.
Thinking
of
that
and
I
won't
make
it
a
day,
because
it's
too
much
close
to
the
time
we
have
to
go
to
another
session.
L
What
I'd
like
to
see
Miss
feely
is
a
Congregation
of
facts
going
together
with
what
the
recommendations
were
at
the
time
they
applied
and
did
all
that
and
if
they
have
to
remove
so
many
trees,
they
have
to
replace
so
many
trees,
but
there's
that
I
know
of
the
city's
trying
to
get
people
to
want
trees
in
their
yard
to
plant
them
or
whatever
I'd
like
to
see
a
marriage
of
all
those
three
or
four
things
together.
That
can
be
verifiable
by
computer.
That's
the
easiest
way
when
they
come
in
to
get
the
final
order.
L
Well,
I
got
I
need
to
replace
10
trees
and
okay
and
here's
a
lieu
of
you
pay
and
then
those
trees
at
the
time
that
they
do
that
they
have
to
go
to
a
specific
location
and
in
that
location,
they're
tagged
with
a
metal
tag
and
a
spike
in
the
tree.
That's
not
going
to
kill
the
tree!
Believe
me
when
I
tell
you
and
then
you
can
verify
that
that
tree
went
there
for
the
public
to
think
of
that
we're
going
to
blindfold
anybody
and
doing
anything
illegally.
L
So
therefore,
therefore,
that
that
tree
then
goes
there
and
who's
the
responsible,
if
they're
going
somebody's
yard,
they're
responsible
for
watering
and
so
forth,
if
they
go
somewhere
else
in
a
park
or
something
we're
responsible
for
that,
so
that
then,
that
tree
is
monitored
for
the
first
six
months,
which
is
a
time
that
the
tree
is
either
going
to
make
it
or
not
make
it.
The
truth
has
to
be
replaced.
So
that
way,
everybody's
got
a
clear
conscious.
The
good
people
are
talking
about.
L
Trees
are
more
at
ease
because
they
feel
that
we're
doing
something
and
we
are
and
I
don't
want.
This
government
to
say:
well:
it's
not
our
job,
we're
facilitating
the
growth
of
the
city
and,
at
the
same
time,
we've
got
to
balance
that
with
nature
and
I
wish.
I
could
be
more
of
a
naturalist
than
I
am
now
because
every
time
I
ask
somebody
to
do
soda
well,
I
can't
afford
it.
I
can't
do
this,
but
you
know
what
you
can't
afford
it.
L
If
you
really
want
to
do
it
because
of
the
ways
of
getting
it
so
I'm
just
saying
the
tree
thing
is
one
thing
that
I
think
it's
important
so
that
we
prove
to
the
community
that
what
we're
doing
is
factual.
We
right
now
can't
prove
it.
That's
my
feeling,
but
thank
you
very
much
for
listening
and
later
on,
I'll
write
it
out,
but
I'm,
not
making
a
motion
today.
Thank.
B
Much
anything
else,
anybody
in
the
public
wish
to
speak
on
this.
No
can
we
please
hold
our
new
business
until
this
evening
very
good.
We
are,
then
we
may
have
a
motion
to
receive
and
files
motion
from
council
member
councilman
Miranda
all
in
favor
aye.
We
will
be
back
at
501
PM
for
our
evening
session.