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From YouTube: TCC 8/24/23 part 3
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Tampa City Council
A
A
A
A
C
C
B
Thank
you
very
much.
May
I
have
a
motion
to
open
all
the
public
hearings
so
moved
all
right.
We
have
a
motion:
councilwoman
Henderson,
same
councilmember,
Carlson,
all
in
favor
aye
opposed
we'll
swearing,
the
folks
out
when
we
get
to
item
number
100,
but
we're
going
to
start
with
that
at
number
92,
which
is
the
storm
water
service
assessment.
Yes,
ma'am
good.
D
Afternoon,
Mr,
chair
and
Council
McLean
Evans
assistant,
a
City
attorney
item
number
92
is
the
annual
adoption
of
the
storm
water
non-advolorum
service
assessment
role,
no
objections
written,
no
written
objections
have
been
received,
so
there's
nothing
to
receive
and
file
on
this
one.
But
as
usual
with
the
non-advalorem
assessment
hearings,
please
remember
to
take
the
vote.
While
the
hearing
is
still
open.
Yes,.
E
Could
you
please
just
so
I
don't
have
to
ask
10
times,
maybe
at
the
beginning
of
them
just
state
that
this
is
not
a
new,
a
new
fee
or
tax,
and
it's
not
an
increase
so
that
we
don't
have
to
ask
that
apparently
in
in
the
case
of
one
of
them,
someone
even
alerted
a
TV
station
about
it.
So,
okay,
just
is
that
okay,
yeah.
D
Certainly,
yes,
sir
I
will
be
presenting
the
stormwater
ones.
My
colleague
Justin,
the
last
basket
will
be
presenting
some
of
the
others.
I
do
believe.
One
of
the
street
light
assessments
are
new.
However,
those
are
unique
in
the
sense
that
those
parties
volunteered
for
the
assessment,
rather
than
pay
a
lump
sum
up
front,
so
they're
distinctly
different.
D
E
B
B
B
D
Afternoon,
Chan
Council,
McLean
events
assistant
City
attorney
before
you
as
item
93
today,
is
the
annual
adoption
of
the
stormwater
Capital
Improvement
non-adv
valorem
assessment
role.
This
is
not
a
new
assessment.
It
was
originally
established
in
2016
for
the
purpose
of
serving
South
and
Central
city
capital
Improvement
projects
over
a
30-year
period.
It
was
in
a
graduated
rate
system
until
2021
and
is
now
at
the
top
rate
that
it
will
be
for
the
remainder,
so
it
has
not
changed
since
2021.
D
B
G
B
All
any
questions
for
the
gentleman
any
questions.
No
all
right!
Do
we
have
any
public
comment
on
item
number.
94
I
see.
No
one
is
registered
all
right.
We
have
a
motion
to
move
address:
councilman,
councilmember
clenden,
all
in
favor
aye.
Any
opposed
can
I
get
a
motion
to
close
motion
from
council
member
Miranda.
Second
from
councilwoman
Henderson,
all
in
favor,
aye
all
right
for
item
number
95.
We
do
have
an
applicant
registered
online.
B
H
B
Right
any
questions
for
the
applicant:
no
is
there
anybody
in
the
public
that
wishes
to
speak
on
this
item?
I,
don't
know
we
have
a
motion
move
the
resolution
from
council
member
Miranda.
Second
councilwoman
Henderson,
all
in
favor
aye.
Any
opposed,
may
I
have
a
motion
to
close
motion
to
close
from
council
member
Miranda
council
member
all
in
favor
aye
all
right
go
ahead,
sir.
G
I
once
again,
Justin
Vasquez
assistant,
City
attorney.
This
is
with
regards
to
item
number
96
on
the
agenda.
We
are
requesting
the
approval
of
a
resolution
to
adopt
the
non-ablorm
assessment
role
for
a
non-adive
alarm
assessment
for
the
cost
of
street
lights
in
the
NoHo
phase,
two
street
light
special
assessment
District,
which
is
generally
located
between
West
Carmen,
Street
and
West,
Gray,
Street,
being
north
of
West,
fig
Street
and
West
of
North,
Oregon,
Avenue
and
south
of
Carmen
Street
in
the
city
of
Tampa.
G
G
B
B
Councilman
Vera,
you
said
it.
Oh
councilman
Miranda
moved
the
resolution.
We
have
a
second
second
councilman
with
mendenin
all
in
favor
aye.
Any
opposed
all
right
may
I
have
a
motion
to
close
the
hearing
motion,
councilmember
Miranda,
second
from
councilmember
Clinton
and
all
in
favor
aye.
Okay,
now
item
number
97.
Yes,
sir.
G
Justin
vasque
assistant,
City
attorney-
this
is
a
this-
is
a
well
we're
requesting
the
approval
of
a
resolution
to
adopt
the
non-andalore
assessment
role
or
a
non-adv
valorm
assessment
within
the
downtown
and
Ybor
City
areas
of
the
city
of
Tampa
for
the
purpose
of
paying
a
portion
of
the
operating
costs
of
the
Tampa
ebore
historic,
electric
streetcar
project
during
fiscal
year.
2024..
G
J
Thank
you,
Mr,
chairman
and
and
council
members.
I
was
actually
physically
present
this
morning,
but
was
called
The
Way
of
the
break.
So
my
apologies,
no
we're
just
here
to
ask
for
your
support
as
usual
for
the
streetcar
special
assessment,
which
is
a
critical
component
of
the
streetcar's
financing.
G
E
Mr
English,
you
probably
heard
we've
talked
a
lot
about
this
streetcar
lately,
especially
in
the
CRA
meetings
and
council.
Member
Clendenin
in
particular,
has
talked
a
lot
about
it,
but
since
we
have
several
new
members
and
I
can't
remember
what
the
last
update
was
from
several
years
ago,
you
might
want
to
get
together
with
chemins
or
whoever
did
the
last
plan
and
come
give
us
an
update,
I'll
let
councilmember
Clinton
and
make
the
Motions
at
some
point,
but
I
would
love
to
have
an
update
on
what
you
all
think.
E
L
B
Be
great,
very
good!
Thank
you
all
right,
no
one
in
the
public.
We
already
have
the
registered
individual.
Do
we
have
a
motion
to
move
97
item
motion
from
councilman
Miranda?
Do
we
have
a
second
second
councilman
Clinton,
all
in
favor
aye
motion
to
close
motion
from
council
member
Miranda?
Second
from
councilwoman
Henderson,
all
in
favor,
aye,
okay,
we're
moving
now.
G
Item
number:
eight:
on
the
98
on
the
agenda:
Justin
vasky
assistant,
City
attorney.
We
are
requesting
the
approval
of
a
resolution
to
adopt
the
non-advolume
assessment
role
for
a
non-adform
assessment
within
the
downtown
Special
Service
District
of
the
city
of
Tampa,
for
the
purposes
of
paying
for
the
provision
of
certain
enhanced
services
in
the
said
area
during
the
2024
fiscal
year,
including,
but
not
limited
to
marketing
and
Business
Development
safety,
maintenance,
transportation
and
planning
beautification
in
Urban
Design.
G
We
also
as
part
of
this
this
package
here
we're
also
seeking
approval
of
the
Downtown
special
services
agreement
between
the
city
and
City
and
the
downtown
partnership
regarding
the
use
of
the
non-adv
alarm
assessment
within
the
Downtown
special
services.
District
I
am
not
aware
of
I
haven't
received
any
comments
or
objections
to
the
imposition
of
this
special
assessment
and
I
believe.
There's
somebody
here
from
the
downtown
partnership
that
may
wish
to
speak
on
the
animal
and
once
again
this
is
not.
This
isn't.
B
M
B
I
Name
is
there
Smith
I
live
at
1000
Water
Street
I
oppose
this.
There's
a
lot
of
young
people
moving
to
the
that
district
and
I
think
it'll
be
a
significant
increase
to
the
cost
of
living.
So
just
something
to
think
about
I
mean
it's
been
around
for
a
while.
So
I
guess
it's
nothing
new
to
people
moving
in,
but
anyway
appreciate
it.
B
E
H
Sure,
absolutely
and
I
also
like
to
clarify
that
the
millage
rate
is
1.0285
that
was
dropped
a
couple
of
years
ago.
It
was
originally
1.1,
so
that
was
dropped
as
density
started
to
increase.
We
saw
that
as
the
numbers
started
to
increase,
we
wanted
to
adjust
it.
We
did
a
study,
you
know
Statewide,
taking
a
look
at
what
the
millage
rates
were
for
districts
of
similar
nature.
So
we
made
that
modification
a
couple
of
years
ago
from
the
standpoint
of
what
we
do.
H
We
are
covering
all
the
areas
of
marketing
Transportation
public
space
and
our
big
pieces
of
clean
and
safe
the
eyes
and
ears
on
downtown.
So
specifically,
a
few
things
I
can
mentioned
from
this
past
year
for
how
downtown
is
changing
and
Water
Street
is
a
major
player
of
what
downtown
is
downtown.
We
see
it
as
seven
different
neighborhoods.
H
These
seven
neighborhoods
are
all
very
distinctive,
very
important,
and
with
that
said,
we
now
have
over
22
000
people
living
in
downtown,
so
what
we
were
doing
27
years
ago,
it's
very
different
than
what
we're
doing
today.
So
a
large
piece
of
that
is
our
ground
level
service
and
we
have
extended
service
later
into
the
evening
hours
as
well,
with
our
ambassadors,
our
clean
team,
ensuring
that
that
late
night
time
frame
is
also
addressed.
H
So
as
the
steward
of
downtown,
we
are
always
taking
a
look
at
how
resident
base
increases,
what
we
need
to
do
to
meet
those
demands
and
also
the
hours
and
other
accommodations.
Another
area
that
I
would
address
is
all
of
our
major
public
events.
We've
always
had
a
big
play
in
out
the
past
15
years.
Big
Focus
has
always
been
the
Riverwalk
and
the
Waterfront
Parks
this
year
as
we're
putting
a
big
effort
into
all
the
neighborhoods.
H
B
N
H
N
H
So
in
our
efforts
to
pay
close
attention
to
the
seven
neighborhoods
a
few
months
ago,
we
started
a
new
project
called
what's
popping.
As
a
shipping
container,
we
took
around
to
all
seven
neighborhoods.
It
was
ground
level
input
to
talk
about
what
each
resident
wants
in
those
different
neighborhoods
and
to
craft
that
programming
per
neighborhood,
whatever
we
do
from
a
programmatic
standpoint,
doesn't
really
touch
all
seven
in
one
way,
they're
all
very
different.
H
We
have
a
lot
of
experience
in
Curtis
Dixon
in
those
Waterfront
Parks,
but
we
wanted
that
feedback,
so
that
was
our
first
layer
of
feedback,
understanding
from
that
dialogue
for
the
seven
neighborhoods,
but
as
we
start
to
implement
work
in
each
of
the
neighborhoods
Parks,
that's
the
small
Parks!
That's
the
time
where
we
want
to
hear
from
other
businesses
other
residents
and
we
can
craft
those
as
they
go
throughout
the
year.
N
Yeah
I
just
want
to
commend
you
too,
on
your
conversation
with
the
Central
Avenue
District,
that
the
naming
of
that
and
I
heard
it
was
unanimous
that
it
is
Central
Avenue.
It's
not
Encore.
That's
a
development,
so
I
commend
you,
because
that
also
keeps
the
history
in
place,
because
that's
exactly
what
it
was.
It's
the
Central
Avenue
business
districts,
I
appreciate
you
for
you
offer
your
efforts.
Thank.
H
H
N
E
Yeah
and
the
questions
I
asked
were
just
to
make
sure
the
public
knew
I
support
the
organization,
and
my
colleague
was
one
of
the
founders.
I
think
he
was
the
second
president,
but
that
was
30
years
ago.
So
it's
not
a
conflict,
but
could
you
tell
us
she?
My
colleague
just
reminded
me
that
I
saw
in
the
news
that
Perry
Harvey
Park,
the
African-American
Walk
of
Fame
was
vandalized.
It
I
haven't
checked
with
Parks,
but
are
you
guys
involved
in
that
at
all?
H
Yeah
so
we
work
hand
in
hand
with
Parks
we
deal
with
graffiti
within
the
public
realm
Park
specific.
We
normally
lean
heavy
on
Parks
and
Rec
for
that.
But,
as
we
get
those
reports
on
a
daily,
then
we
disseminate
to
All
City
staff,
so
primarily
within
the
right-of-way
and
Roads
and
sidewalks,
but
we
do
work
with
the
parks
department
to
make
sure
those
are
addressed
in
a
timely
manner.
Great.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Yes,
sir.
K
In
these
neighborhoods
you
know
increasing
Vending
in
some
of
our
public
areas,
so
people
can
go
down
and
have
you
know,
find
some
refreshments
and
some
food
and
areas
and
looking
at
creative
ways
of
creating
kiosks
and
things
for
folks,
as
they
visit
downtown
reinvention
of
you
know
something
that's
future
facing
reinvention
of
the
Marion
Street
Corridor
and
repurposing.
That
and
I
think
the
downtown
partnership
has
been
really
really
good
about.
K
You
know
those
types
of
issues
and,
as
we
talk
about
streetcar
expansion,
I
think
the
you
know
you
guys
have
been
really
an
important
part
of
that
dialogue
of
what
an
impact
is
going
to
have
on
on
these
neighborhoods
and
I
think
that
what
you
are
doing
has
been
great
work.
I
look
forward
to
working
with
you
and
your
team
as
we
as
we
look
and
continue
to
pursue
these
issues,
because
I
think
it's
I
think
people
haven't
seen
anything
yet
the
best
the
best
the
best
of
what's
happening
is
in
front
of
us.
B
Henderson
all
in
favor
and
that's
the
first
part
of
this
resolution
on
item
98.
The
second
resolution
right
below
it
can
I
get
a
motion.
Summit
motion
from
council
member
London
and
second
councilman
Miranda,
all
in
favor
aye
any
opposed
and
can
I
get
a
motion
to
close
item
number
98
motions
and
council
member
Miranda.
Second
council
member
Condon,
all
in
favor
all
right.
All
right
last
is
the
West
Shore
area.
Yes,
sir,.
G
Justin
baskey
assistant,
City
attorney.
We
are
requesting
the
approval
of
a
resolution
to
adopt
the
non-advalorem
assessment
role
for
a
non-adform
assessment
within
the
West
Shore
business
district
of
the
city
of
Tampa,
for
the
purpose
of
paying
for
the
provision
of
certain
enhanced
services
and
improvements
in
said
area
during
the
2024
fiscal
year,
including
Transportation
improvements,
marketing
and
security
services
for
said
area,
and
we
are
also
seeking
approval
of
a
Westshore
special
special
services
agreement
between
the
city
and
the
West
Shore
Alliance.
G
Regarding
the
use
of
the
non-ablorm
assessments
within
the
area,
known
of
the
city
known
as
the
West
Shore
special
services
district
for
the
provision
of
certain
improvements
and
services
within
the
area
during
2024
fiscal
year.
At
this
time,
I
would
like
to
submit
the
clerk
a
written
objection
that
I
have
received
and
then
once
I
do,
that
we
have
a
representative
from
the
West
Shore
Alliance.
That
would
like
to
speak.
B
I
O
Good
afternoon
council
members
Michael
Moreno
executive
director
of
Western
Alliance,
the
assessment
in
front
of
you.
The
rate
is
not
changing
from
last
year
is
still
13.25
cents.
The
special
services
district
has
been
in
existence
since
2002
in
your
agenda
item.
There
is
a
work
plan
that
talks
about
how
we're
working
with
the
city
on
several
Transportation
projects,
notably
Gray
Street,
which
we
hope
is
a
bicycle
and
low
stress,
pedestrian
Corridor
that
will
connect
Westshore
Plaza
through
West
Tampa
and
to
cash
Street
and
eventually
the
Riverwalk.
O
So
we're
very
excited
about
that.
We
look
forward
to
working
on
that
project.
Also
we'll
be
here
next
week.
We
are
having
changes
to
our
overlay
District
that
we
believe
reflects
not
only
development
but
also
some
of
the
needs
of
the
residents
and
community
and
one
last
point
on
the
SSD.
It
is
assessment
on
Commercial
properties,
residential
districts,
Residential,
Properties,
single-family
homes
in
West
Shore
are
not
assessed.
Thank
you.
P
I
B
P
I
B
Q
Good
afternoon,
David
Crosby
call
you
from
the
city
attorney's
office.
Item
number
100
on
your
agenda
is
file
numbers
Su,
2
23-03.
It's
second
reading
on
an
ordinance
approving
a
special
use.
Permit
Su
2
for
an
existing
daycare
located
at
4911
North
42nd
Street
south
is
available
to
answer
any
questions.
Any
questions.
B
A
B
R
B
S
S
A
B
P
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman
item
number
100
phone
number,
Su
2
23-03
orders
be
presented
for
second
reading.
Adoption
orders
approving
a
special
use
permit
Su,
approving
a
daycare
and
a
rs50
residential
single
family
zoning
districts
in
the
general
vicinity
of
49
North
42nd
Street
in
the
city
of
Tampa
Florida,
more
particularly
describing
section
one
they're
up
providing
an
effective
date.
B
C
B
P
B
Q
B
B
W
B
Q
L
B
K
Yes,
a
file
number
Rez,
2313
ordinance
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption,
an
ordinance
rezoning
property
in
the
general
vicinity
of
5825
and
5827
East
Columbus
Drive
in
the
city
of
Tampa
Florida,
and
more
particularly
described
in
section
one
from
zoning
districts,
classifications,
rm16,
residential
multifamily
to
ig
industrial
General
provided
an
effective
date.
Second,
we.
Q
Yes,
sir
Dana
Crosby
College
City
attorney's
office.
This
is
rezoning
23-40,
it's
the
second
reading
of
an
ordinance
approving
the
rezoning
for
property
located
at
3901
and
3907
East
Columbus
Drive,
Ms
lashondock
is
on
the
line
to
explain
any
changes
to
the
plan
or
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have.
R
I
didn't
trust
myself
on
Zoom
I'm,
Patricia,
radabaugh
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
property
owner
and
the
business
owner
of
coolest
Collision,
we're
requesting
this
rezoning
in
order
to
keep
operating
at
this
location.
The
usage
is
consistent
with
IG
zoning
and
compatible
with
the
industrial
zoning
of
neighboring
properties
and
Brad
Kula
is
a
veteran
who's
been
providing
a
service
by
Contracting
with
USAA
to
repair
active
military
personnel
while
Stateside
and
deploy
so
for
this
reason,
we're
respectfully
requesting
approval
of.
B
B
Q
C
D
B
P
E
Thank
you
I'd
like
to
move
item
number
105
file,
number
Rez,
23-45
ordinance
being
presented
for
second
reading
adoption
and
ordinance
rezoning
property
in
the
general
vicinity
of
915
West
Linebaugh
Avenue
in
the
city
of
Tampa
Florida,
and
more
particularly
described
in
section
one
from
zoning,
District
classification,
RS,
60,
residential
single
family
to
PD
plan
development,
business
professional
office
providing
effective
date.
We.
Q
I
F
B
B
Q
Yes,
ma'am,
yes,
thank
you.
Dana
Crosby
call
your
city
attorney's
office.
This
is
file
Rez
22-82,
it's
the
second
reading
of
an
ordinance
amending
ordinance
2023-17
to
correct
a
scrivener's
error
in
the
legal
description.
The
scrivener's
era
has
been
corrected
by
substituting
the
correct
legal
description.
This
change
has
not
impacted
the
notice
area
for
the
original
order.
Ordinance
Mr
mechanic
is
online,
as
is
Miss
stock.
To
provide
additional
information.
Do.
B
Y
B
A
V
Yes,
sir
Mr
chair,
I
move
Warden
is
being
presented
for
second
reading
and
adoption
ordinance
amending
ordinance
2023-17,
which
rezone
the
proper
General
vicinity
of
6204
Interbay
Boulevard
City
of
Tampa
Florida.
In
order
to
correct
the
scrivener's
there.
In
the
legal
description,
a
taxes
exhibit
a
to
set
ordinance
providing
an
effective
date.
Six.
A
AA
B
W
B
W
W
Close,
like
any
requests,
is
to
vacate
the
alleyway
line
north
of
Virginia
Avenue,
south
of
Selma
Avenue
East
of
Suwanee,
Avenue
and
west
of
Mayfield
Avenue.
This
application
was
filed
on
April
26
2023.
The
applicant
owns
the
property
on
the
south
side
of
the
alley
that
is
requested
to
be
vacated.
The
applicant's
reason
for
the
application
is
to
extend
property
line
and
to
relieve
City
burden
of
maintenance.
W
AB
Okay
I'm
here
because
they
said
I
needed
to
be
present
and
one
thing
I
wanted
to
add
is
there
there
was
somebody
who
lives
on
the
other
side
of
me
now,
but
my
side
of
the
street
is
primarily
vacant.
So
a
lot
of
times
the
trash
from
the
residents
across
from
me
just
makes
it
to
wherever
the
empty
lots
are
particularly
towards
the
back
side
like
as
they're
driving
by
so
it's
it
stinks,
it
smells
it
attracts
raccoons
and
all
the
rest
of
that
kind
of
stuff.
AB
B
V
I
J
B
N
Addition
to
Tampa
subdivision
in
the
city
of
Tampa
Hillsborough,
County
Florida,
as
more
fully
described
in
section
one
here
of
subject
to
certain
covenants
conditions
and
restrictions
as
we're
particularly
set
forth
here
in
providing
for
enforcement
and
penalties
for
violations
providing
for
definitions,
interpretations
and
repealing
conflicts
providing
for
severability
providing
an
effective
date.
We.
T
K
B
AC
Good
afternoon
Council
Susan
Johnson
Velez
legal
department,
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
brief
overview
of
an
item
that
we
have
been
monitoring.
Epc
is
proposing
revisions
to
their
noise
pollution
rule.
It
is,
as
many
of
you
may
be
aware.
Epc
and
the
City
of
Tampa
have
concurrent
jurisdiction
over
noise
regulations
within
the
city
limits,
and
so,
just
by
way
of
brief
history,
the
EPC
regulations
and
their
ability
to
regulate
noise
go
back
to
1984..
AC
It
was
chapter
84
446
the
laws
of
Florida
that
authorized
EPC
to
regulate
activities
that
cause
excessive
noise
within
Hillsborough
County,
and
so
the
noise
pollution
rule
actually
originated
in
1976,
it's
been
amended
several
times.
The
most
significant
revision
was
in
2008
as
a
result
of
some
of
the
litigation
that
occurred
over
the
Amphitheater
concert
venue
that
you
may
all
recall
the
last
rule
amendment
was
in
2012,
so
that
was
about
11
years
ago,
so
the
rule
isn't
opened
up
for
revision.
AC
Very
often,
the
rule
actually
provides
some
distinct
sound
level
limits
that
are
measured
in
decibels
which,
as
you
know,
some
areas
of
the
city
are
also.
We
measure
sound
by
decibel
level.
Like
the
city's
noise
regulations,
it
is
a
complaint-driven
rule
and
measurements
when
they
do
measurements
by
decimal
level
are
taken
from
the
receiving
property.
The
rule
includes
several
exemptions
and
preemptions
and
based
on
our
review
and
the
meetings
we've
attended.
Some
of
the
proposed
revisions
to
those
exemptions
are
what
are
causing
concern
and
what
we
wanted
to
bring
to
council's
attention.
AC
AC
So
yes,
what's
being
distributed,
is
a
draft.
The
August
4th
2023
draft
of
the
proposed
revisions,
and
so,
if
I
could
just
have
you
turn
to
the
bottom
of
page
three
and
continuing
on
page
four
and
page
five,
which
is
subsection
10,
1-10.04
again,
which
provide
for
exemptions
and,
specifically,
item
number
14
in
that
list,
which
is
on
page
five
kind
of
near
the
top
of
page
five
and
you'll
see
that
it
exempts
sound
related
to
music
or
other
entertainment
originating
from
events,
venues
or
businesses.
AC
And
then
it
goes
on
to
list
several
different
areas
that
are
exempt
from
the
epc's
noise
pollution
rules.
So
they
include
the
Ybor
City
Historic
district
and
the
arena
district,
which
are
the
only
two
areas
in
the
city
where
sound
is
measured
on
a
decibel
level
standard.
So
that
part
of
the
rule
is
consistent
with
our
city
regulations.
AC
You'll
also
notice
that
they
have
eliminated
or
crossed
out
the
central
business
district
and
the
channel
District,
which
are
two
areas
where
sound
used
to
be
measured
on
a
decibel
level
standard.
But
in
recent
years
those
areas
have
been
taken
out
of
the
city
regulations
and
so
in
those
areas
of
the
city,
sound
is
measured
on
a
plainly,
audible
standard,
so
any
sound
that
you
can
hear
with
your
naked
ear,
not
measured
on
a
decibel
level
standard.
AC
So
by
Crossing
out
the
center
business
district
and
channel
District
again,
the
rule
is
being
made
consistent
with
city
regulations.
So
the
problematic
part
is
the
very
end
of
that
subsection,
where
it
adds
on
in
the
underlying
text
and
the
areas
delineated
in
the
two
maps
below
which
are
incorporated
as
part
of
this
subsection.
So
if
you're
turned
back
to
Pages
seven
and
eight
of
your
handout
it,
it
shows
the
two
maps
that
are
being
proposed
to
being
added,
and
you
can
see
in
the
first
map.
AC
The
area
in
bold
is
the
entire
area.
That's
now
proposed
to
be
carved
out
for
exemption.
You
can
see
it
includes
in
the
upper
right
hand,
corner
of
the
Ebor
historic
district
and
also
down
towards
the
end
of
that.
The
big
area,
the
arena
district,
which
again
are
the
two
areas
where
we
measure
sound
on
a
decibel
level,
but
it
also
picks
up
or
adds
back
into
the
exemption,
the
Heights
area,
the
heights
development,
where
Armature
Works
is
and
so
forth.
AC
It
seems
to
add
back
in
the
channel
District,
which
again
would
make
it
inconsistent
with
our
noise
regulations.
And
so
so
and
then,
if
you
flip
to
map
number
two
on
page
eight,
it
appears
to
Encompass
the
the
Midtown
development
and
so
again,
that's
an
area
where
sound
is
still
measured
in
the
city
on
the
plainly,
audible
standard
and
so
by
incorporating
these
two
maps
but
I'm
sorry
going
back
to
map
one
the
other.
AC
The
other
concern
that
staff
has
is
that
the
northern
boundary
of
this
area
actually
is
goes
farther
than
the
Armature
Works
and
the
heights
development.
It
actually
goes
all
the
way
up
to
Columbus
and
there
are
a
significant
number
of
single-family
residential
homes
back
there,
where
that
might
be
negatively
impacted
by
you
know
not
having
this
enforcement
tool
in
in
the
tool
belt
and
so
again
the
changes
that
EPC
is
proposing
are
being
proposed
unilaterally
by
EPC.
The
city
didn't
request.
AC
I
just
want
to
give
you
the
timeline
so
on
August
9th,
just
a
week
or
two
ago,
City
staff
met
with
EPC
staff
to
discuss
our
concerns.
We
also
attended
a
workshop
EPC
Workshop
as
part
of
their
rule
making
last
week
at
which
we
voiced
the
concerns.
The
EPC
public
hearing
on
this
proposed
rule
changes
is
scheduled
for
September
21st.
2023
staff
does
intend
to
provide
some
written
comments
to
EPC.
AC
E
The
the
other
thing
is
through
the
budget
price
process.
Members
of
the
community
have
highlighted
that
there's
a
million
dollars
or
more
in
the
in
the
mayor's
office
budget
for
lobbying
and
government
relations
political
activities
shouldn't.
We
also
ask
that
department
to
utilize
their
resource
to
to
talk
to
the
County
Commissioners
about.
E
When
we've
asked
them
before,
they've
turned
us
down
on
other
matters,
but
I
since,
since
the
legal
staff
is
in
favor
of
this,
maybe
they
would
be
willing
to
because
it
what
I've
noticed
when
we've
done
resolutions
most
government
agencies
don't
pay
attention,
they
just
throw
it
away,
and
so
the
way
that
you
would
really
get
this
done
is
either.
We
would
go
talk
to
them
individually.
E
B
K
So
sometimes
it's
helpful
when
you're,
when
you're
you're
in
the
back
of
the
box
being
driven
somewhere.
Sometimes
it's
helpful
to
one
who
knows
to
know
who
dispatched
the
bus
and
who's
actually
sitting
at
the
behind
the
wheel
of
that
bus.
Do
you
have
some
backstory
of
like
how
this
was
the
original,
the
origin
story
of
how
this
got
before
the
EPC?
To
begin
with,.
AC
No,
what
what
we've
been
told
by
staff
is
that
there
was
a
noise
consultant
that
made
these
recommendations,
but
I,
don't
know
that
there's
a
and
we
haven't
been
provided
with
any
written
study
or
any
written
recommendations
from
a
noise
consultant,
so
I
don't
know
where
they're
coming
from
or
what
their
rationale
is.
Okay,
thank
you.
Everybody.
N
AC
T
Q
S
T
N
Okay,
thank
you.
Okay.
Thank
you.
So
much
I
would
like
to
move
to
direct
the
legal
department
to
draft
a
resolution
objecting
to
propose
revisions
to
subsection
1-10.0414
of
the
EPC
noise
pollution.
Rule
that
add
exemption
areas,
detailed
in
map
one
and
map
2.
of
the
draft
revision
dated
August
4th
2023
and
that
that
resolution
be
presented
for
city
council
consideration
on
the
on
August
31st
2023
evening
agenda.
R
B
Of
emotion
from
council
member
Carlson
with
the
Cyber
council
member,
her
attack
all
in
favor
aye
any
opposed
anything
else
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
At
this
time
we
have
some
items
that
were
pulled
by
council
member
per
tax.
So
if
we
could
get
item
number
17,
we
have
the
chief
of
police.
T
May
I,
thank
you
so
much
and
the
reason
I
just
wanted
to
explain
why
I
pulled
this
item.
I
understand
that
pow
was
separate
at
one
time,
but
we've
gotten
some
comments
from
the
community
asking
why
it
needs
to
be
separate
and
why
it
can't
be
under
parks.
And
if
this
is
going
to
be
a
completely
separate
entity,
I
got
some
feedback
already,
which
I
appreciated,
but
I
still
thought
that
the
community
would
like
to
hear
this
sure.
AA
So
good
afternoon
Council
this
agreement
that
you
have
in
front
of
you.
It's
a
transition
agreement,
it's
just
that
it's
a
Cooperative
agreement
between
the
pal,
the
foundation,
the
501c3,
the
city
of
Tampa
and
two
departments
within
the
city
of
Tampa,
the
parks
and
the
police
department.
This
is
a
Cooperative
effort
to
ensure
the
ultimate
success
and
expansion
of
our
youth.
It
is
not
a
takeover,
it
is
a
Do,
no
harm
scenario.
AA
The
mission
will
not
change
the
scope
of
services
will
not
change.
The
transition
is
scheduled
to
take
roughly
a
year
to
take
place
and
any
employee.
That's
there
in
good
standing
will
have
the
right
of
first
refusal
to
stay.
There
nobody's
going
to
lose
their
jobs
or
be
laid
off
so
before
this
transition
actually
begins.
I
mean
the
first
part
of
this
is
getting
this
process
approved.
Communication
will
be
sent
out
to
all
employees,
to
all
parents,
to
all
kids
about
how
this
will
actually
take
place.
AA
Yeah
I
just
want
to
show
the
bottom
of
page.
Three
actually
shows
the
city
of
Tampa,
Parks
and
Recreation
Department
will
and
then
moving
on
to
page
four
on
the
top
continue
to
assign
City
staff
to
facilities
for
the
athletic
after
school
and
summer
school
programs
until
the
transition
period
is
complete
and
then
you
can
actually
see
I
highlighted
there
number
eight
about
the
permitting
and
basically
what
this
agreement
does
is
hold
all
these
entities
accountable
to
ensure
that
this
transition
is
a
success.
AA
So
any
employees
that
are
out
there
that
are
doing
a
great
job
can
continue
to
stay.
If
that's
what
they
so
wish.
I
know
one
employee
there
osia
was
going
to
be
here
with
me
today.
One
employee's
already
been
promoted
and
and
had
a
promotion
out
of
this.
So
this
this
agreement
is
the
first
step
for
holding
us
all
accountable
to
ensure
that
this
transition
happens
correctly.
I
could
have
major
Brett
Owen,
give
you
an
explanation
of
Pal's
history.
Powell
did
start
out
under
the
police
department,
it
moved
to
the
parks
and
rec.
AA
All
we
want
to
do
is
just
bring
that
back.
It
is
a
Police
Athletic
League,
that's
there
to
build
bonds
between
police
officers
and
kids
and
not
take
anything
away.
Not
have
anybody
lose
their
job
and
just
expand
it
and
make
it
even
better
through
a
Cooperative
agreement
with
everybody
in
this
in
this
agreement
here.
B
AA
T
V
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr
chair
and
I
wanted
to
thank
councilwoman
hurtech
for
pulling
this.
Thank
you
because
I
have
also
gotten
concerns
on
it.
So
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
for
that
very
much
and,
and
we've
spoken
about
this
privately
I
just
wanted
to
confirm
some
things.
I
quickly
wrote
down
here,
which
is
number
one
and
you've
already
said
this,
but
just
for
the
record.
No
Parks
and
Recreation
employees
at
all
will
be
let
go
because
it
is
correct.
V
Yes,
absolutely
yes,
yeah
and,
and
that's
a
that's,
a
good
one
and
city
council.
We
still
have
quote
unquote
jurisdiction
over
this,
in
the
sense
that
we
can.
If,
if
you
know,
new
issues
come
up
Etc,
we
can
continue
to
have
control
over
this,
including
within
the
city
of
Tampa
budget,
as
this
will
be
funded
in
this
year's
budget.
Correct.
AA
V
V
Someone's
saying
yes
behind
you
so
I'll
take
that
I'll
take
there.
You
go
there
and
thank
you
I'll.
Take
that
as
a
yes
yeah.
So
that's
that's
all
I
just
wanted
to
confirm
those
things.
Etc
I
know
we're
going
to
have
some
more
conversations
on
it
with
a
with
a
very
valued
constituent
who's
reached
out
to
me
on
this
issue,
but
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
at
this
time
this
is
a
commitment.
V
E
And
I
apologize
I
didn't
have
a
private
conversation
with
you
about
it,
because
it
was
on
the
consent,
agent,
I
thought
and
it
I
heard
some
Buzz
about
it.
But
I
didn't
get
the
same
kind
of
feedback,
but
a
couple
years
ago
we
got
a
lot
of
concern
in
the
community
about
the
non-profits
that
the
city
controls
and
who
mans
them-
transparency,
et
cetera.
So
I'm
just
going
to
ask
you
a
few
questions.
AA
E
Yeah
and
then,
and
then
will
the
I
assume
the
non-profit
has
to
file
990
or
whatever,
depending
on
how
much
money
they
raise,
but
does
will
the
city
put
any
kind
of
disclosure
of
the
financials
of
the
nonprofit?
Where
will
the
I'm
just
asking
for
transparency
purposes?
Where
will
people
be
able
to
find
the
well.
AA
AA
E
U
If
I
may
just
enter
Megan
Newcombe
from
the
legal
department
as
part
of
this
agreement,
that's
before
Council.
The
pal
board,
which
is
separate
and
independent
from
the
city,
will
does
certify,
does
agree
that
they
will
maintain
their
financial
reports
and
give
give
the
city
copies,
if
requested
by
the
city.
So
the
city
will
be
privy
to
evaluating
the
power
boards
operation.
E
E
AA
E
Just
just
anything
and
I'm
not
criticizing,
especially
not
the
memorial
Foundation,
but
one
just
just
to
make
sure
that
as
the
public
asks,
if
we,
if
we
put
just
so,
we
can
disclose
publicly
who's
giving
money,
and
you
know
just
like
we
have
to
disclose.
If
somebody
buys
us
lunch
or
something
people
want
to
know
who's,
trying
to
influence
the
police
department
right
and
it's
the
same
with
any
Department
who's
trying
to
influence
the
real
estate
department.
So
the
more
we
can
disclose
about
who's
who's,
getting
paid
where
the
money
is
coming
from.
N
Thank
you,
Dr
Chief.
In
doing
my
research,
the
one
of
the
things
that
I
found
out
is
that
a
former
police
chief
gave
up
pal
and
it
went
to
Parks
and
Rec,
because
the
police
chief
did
not
want
to
work
with
the
power
board,
so
that
was
one
of
the
I.
Don't
know
if
you
can
speak
on
that
history,
so
that
actually
concerns
me,
because
the
pal
board
is
made
up
of
a
body
of
people
who
we
have
no
idea
who
they,
who
they
are.
We
don't
know
what
their
bylaws
are.
N
AA
AA
AA
N
AA
N
AA
N
AA
AA
N
Okay,
well,
thank
you
so
much
I
appreciate
that
and
the
other
thing
the
last
thing
is
is
that
it
fell
under
Public
Safety,
but
I
am
the
chair
of
parks
and
rec
and
as
the
new
chair
of
parks
and
rec,
the
communication
should
have
been
open
to
me
to
at
least
know
what
what
was
happening
prior
to
it
being
a
community
complaint.
That's
how
I
found
out
about
it.
K
Important,
no
good
deed
goes
unpunished.
It's
you
know
I,
as
like.
Our
very
first
conversation
that
we
I
had
with
you
when
was
when
you
were
acting.
He
had
acting
I.
Think
in
front
of
your
name
was
how
important
I
was
I
felt
that
it
was
for
us
to
bring
back
pal
I.
Think
it's
it's
a
critical
element,
I
think
it's
it's
it's
it's
a
huge
step
forward.
K
You
have
a
hundred
percent
of
my
support
on
this,
and
you
know
we
everybody's
accountable
in
government.
That's
one
thing.
You
know,
folks
that
on
the
outside
saying
about
talk
about
private
business,
that
you
know,
no,
no
business
has
the
eyes
on
it.
The
way
government
has
eyes
on
it.
Everything
we
do
is
public
subject
to
public
scrutiny.
So,
as
we
move
forward
with
the
program,
I
think
people
that
have
maybe
some
reservations.
The
concerns
as
the
program
evolves
we'll
we'll
be
able
to
look
at
these
things,
and
we
know
where
to
find
you.
K
We
can
come
back
and
question
you
as
things
work
and
again
you
have
my
support
on
this
I
think
it's
it's
a
great
opportunity
for
the
city.
It's
a
great
opportunity
for
the
kids
that
that
live
in
our
community
to
you
know
to
have
this
type
of
a
program
back
in
place
and,
like
you
say,
the
grant
opportunity
that
we
have
to
be
able
to
do
some
great
things,
I
look
forward
to
seeing
where
this
goes
and
I'm
glad
I'm
an
early
supporter
of
it
and
I.
P
P
Yeah
rice
Tampa,
that's
it
that's
it
yeah
yeah,
so
I,
remember
those
things
and
I
what
you
guys
do
is
great.
You
know
growing
up
and
understanding
what
life
was
about
at
cascading
Park
in
all
areas
there,
when
most
people
didn't
have
anything,
but
they
had
everything
it's
because
they
had
a
great
frammy
and
they
had
friends
around
them
and
now
everybody's
got
everything
they
have
nothing
and
when
I
see
these
things
is
that
you
try
to
not
force
anybody.
P
Somebody
that's
a
little
older
that
doing
something
not
too
legal
has
got
a
couple
of
dollars.
They
say,
oh,
how
come
you
got
that
money
where'd
you
get
it
from,
and
these
are
the
things
that
create
some
of
the
things
that
we
can't
understand
why
we
have
crime
and
playing
what
you
guys
do
all
of
you,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
the
police
force
is
unbelievable
to
try
to
curb
crime
not
today,
but
in
the
future,
because
you're
handling
them
in
the
right
way.
But
thank
you
all
very
much
for
what
you
do.
Thank.
V
Just
really
quick,
if
I
may
I
wanted
to
clarify
something
for
councilwoman
Henderson
that
I
they
didn't
came
to
me.
They
didn't
come
to
me.
I
came
to
them
honestly,
like
they're,
like
oh,
my
God
he's
the
chairman
of
the
Public
Safety
Committee.
You
know
so
that
you
all
never
came
to
me.
I
came
to
you
all
because
of
a
very,
very
valid
constituent
who's.
Also,
a
good
friend
of
mine
had
a
question
so
just
just
to
clarify.
AA
It's
the
police
department
is
going
to
be
the
one
running
the
program,
we're
going
to
be
the
one
responsible
for
paying
the
bills
getting
the
programs
executed
having
the
officers
there.
So
the
ultimate
responsibility
is
going
to
fall
in
the
police
department,
of
course,
with
the
city
of
Tampa
and
Parks
assisting
us,
but
the
primary
would
be
us.
AA
AD
AA
N
E
E
E
N
AA
AA
N
Z
AD
Oh
see
when
administrative
neighborhood
and
Community
Affairs
councilwoman
Henderson,
this
agreement
has
been
working,
has
been
in
the
works
since
the
beginning
of
the
year,
the
end
of
last
year
and
one
thing
and
got
in
just
a
little
bit
late.
But
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you
understand
that
our
Parks
and
Recreation
team
will
be
working
alongside
with
the
police
department,
with
the
police
officers
for
the
next
six
to
nine
months
as
we
go
through
this
transition.
So
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
were
aware
of
that.
N
B
E
X
E
X
U
I
have
absolutely
no
idea.
I
know
little
to
nothing
about
the
rise
foundation,
so
I'm
not
I,
will
look
into
it.
I
just
I
can't
represent
that
we
can't
comply
with
that
with
pal.
It
has
it
in
the
agreement
so
that
I
can
represent
to
council.
That
pal
has
agreed
now
that
this
agreement
has
gone
through
and
assuming
pal
forward
signs
the
agreement
after
you
all
have
approved
it,
then
they
will
provide
that,
but
rise
Tampa
I
would
have
to
do
some.
X
E
U
E
K
Because
I
feel,
like
we'd,
have
to
clear
there's
a
lot
of
information.
We
don't
have
to
pass
that
pass
that
at
this
point,
I
mean
I
think
we
need
one
way.
I.
Think
with
that
motion
had
to
be
amended
to
say
for
funds
that
receive
the
city
for
City
funds,
and
you
know
I
I'd
still
like
to
see
some
consequences
of
it
or
you
know
some
background
information
on
it.
I
mean
on
the
surface.
It
doesn't.
It
sounds
innocuous,
but
I
don't
know
what
the
details
are.
So
that's
the
reason
why
I
voted
now.
AA
B
V
B
B
D
Good
afternoon
Mr,
chair
and
Council
McLean
events
assistant,
City
attorney
item
61
is
a
resolution
approving
a
declaration
of
cooperation
of
the
Tampa
Bay,
nitrogen
Consortium
and
the
City
of
Tampa
in
case
the
public
or
you
all
are
not
familiar.
The
Tampa
Bay
nitrogen
Consortium
is
Under
the
Umbrella
of
the
Tampa
Bay
Estuary
program.
This
declaration
comes
up
for
recommitment
for
all
of
the
members
every
five
years.
The
city's
cost
is
7500.
D
It's
a
contribution
towards
the
reasonable
Assurance
document
that
the
Consortium
puts
together
for
submittal
to
Department,
Environmental,
Protection
and
review,
and
concurrence
by
the
U.S
Environmental
Protection
Agency
regarding
Regional
discharges
into
the
Tampa
Bay
staff
and
I
are
available.
If
you
have
any
questions.
T
Thank
you,
I
just
wanted
to
bring
this
forward
because
to
me
this
is
this
goes
along
with
the
reclaimed
water
issue
that
we
are
dealing
with
or
I'm.
Sorry,
the
beneficial
reuse
of
of
Wastewater
and
and
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
get
that
on
people's
radar,
because
next
week,
at
the
workshop,
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
this
and
I.
Just
I.
T
Think
it's
very
interesting
right
now
how
we
we
are
approving
this,
and
this
is
a
very
important
thing,
but
the
state
has
decided
that
no
City
or
municipality
can
now
regulate
fertilizer.
That
doesn't
already
have
an
ordinance
there's
a
concern
that
that
could
come
back
next
year
in
the
state
legislature
to
completely
ban
fertilizer
restrictions.
T
And
if
that
were
the
case,
we
are,
we
are
being
we're
going
to
have
our
hands
tied,
but
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
to
fix
the
problem
so
I,
just
again
I
kind
of
wanted
to
bring
all
this
stuff
onto
people's
radar.
So
they
knew
that
were
that
that
we
are
working
and
the
City
of
Tampa
has
worked
really
hard
to
maintain
our
nutrient,
our
nutrition,
the
nitrogen
load
that
we
are
putting
out
and
so
I
wanted
to
say.
Thank
you
for
that.
B
V
Z
Brad
bear
Deputy
Administrator
of
infrastructure
here
on
items
110
through
114.
item
110
is
a
guaranteed
maximum
price
number
two
associated
with
the
David
L
Chipman
water
treatment
facility
master
plan.
Specifically,
these
are
the
electrical
improvements,
and
this
is
the
second
appearance
in
front
of
the
city
council.
So
it
is
up
for
approval
this
time.
I
did
provide
a
detailed
presentation
last
at
the
first
appearance,
as
well
as
individual
briefings,
and
with
that
I
would
ask
for
your
approval.
B
Z
B
Z
112
is
a
an
agreement
again
between
the
city
of
Tampa
and
Westra
for
7.7
million
dollars
associated
with
city-wide
water
main
improvements,
design
build.
This
is
specifically
about
two
miles
of
pipeline
replacement
on
Kennedy
Boulevard
near
downtown,
around
University
of
Tampa,
and
we
have
partnered
with
fdot.
B
Z
B
N
Z
Yeah
and
this
I'm
glad
you
asked
that.
Thank
you.
This
is
a
renewal.
We
did
have
three
bidders
one
one
of
the
bids
had
to
be
thrown
out.
It
was
actually
low
bib,
because
the
unit
price
was
per
dry
ton
and
this
is
per
wet
time.
So
we
went
with
the
second
low
bidder
of
Brent
tag
Mid-South,
but
we
did
get
three
proposals.
I
B
Z
Z
B
C
N
E
Can
I
just
set
this
up?
Bro?
Yes,
sir,
go
ahead
yeah!
This
is
just
a
periodic
update
that
that
that
they're
doing
the
request
going
back
a
couple
years
was
Tampa
is
becoming
more
urban.
Downtown
has
developed
and
it
doesn't
make
sense
to
shut
down
all
the
roads
during
one
event
at
one
facility
and
I.
Think
none
of
the
stakeholders
agreed
with
that
and
the
plan
hadn't
been
updated
in
10
or
15
years,
and
so
Mr
bday
and
the
police
have
been
working
closely
on
this
for
a
while,
so
I'll
take
I'll.
Y
Thank
you,
chair
and
good
afternoon
big
b
day
mobility
department,
as
councilman
Carlson
mentioned.
This
is
a
third
update.
The
motion
made
by
councilman
Carlson
relative
to
special
event
operations
in
our
downtown
and,
as
you
mentioned,
our
downtown
has
changed
over
the
last
few
years
and
we
have
been
updating,
but
especially
since
this
motion
has
been
made.
Y
These
are
being
monitored,
they're
working
well,
but
we'll
continue
to
work
with
all
Partners
as
our
downtown
evolved
to
facilitate
better
opportunities.
We've
also
made
significant
signal
timing
improvements
to
our
special
event
plans
both
on
the
impact
geographically,
so
containing
that
just
south
of
Rory
in
or
Cumberland
and
the
other.
Also
in
terms
of
delays.
Our
cycle
links
are
much
lower,
which
will
facilitate
all
traffic
and
not
just
special
event
bound
traffic.
Y
As
far
as
those
operations
are
concerned,
and
then
we've
also
continued
to
work
with
with
all
Partners
on
additional
monitoring
and
data
collection,
as
we
as
this
region
evolves.
There
are
a
couple
of
other
projects
as
well
that
we're
working
towards
within
this
area
that
specifically
benefit
Harbor
Island
and
Harbor
Island
residents
we're
looking
at
a
project
at
Franklin
and
Water
Street.
Y
This
is
something
we've
worked
with
Harbor
Island
residents
on
as
well
to
implement
better
traffic
control
out
there
and
at
the
frost,
walk
in
front
of
the
convention
center
and
having
operate
similar
to
the
rest
of
the
downtown's
grid.
Where
you
have
these
250
foot
blocks
that
using
signals
progress,
traffic
and
pedestrians
at
the
same
time.
E
K
B
T
And
then
I
I
just
have
a
quick
question.
That's
that's
10
generally
related
to
this
when
we're
talking
about
the
the
plan
for
the
parking
garages
to
have
the
the
digital
displays
that
show
how
many
parking
spots
are
available
to
me,
this
kind
of
goes
with
ways
to
manage
traffic
during
during
a
large
project
event.
But
honestly,
every
day
is
this
something
that
you
are
working,
possibly
with
the
CRA
on
for
funding.
Y
So
great
question:
the
answer
is:
we're
partnering
with
the
cras,
so
the
CRA
recently
onboarded
an
insulting
to
do
an
area-wide
as
in
the
urban
core
signage
and
wayfinding
plan,
and
the
parking
guidance
plan
or
the
parking
guidance
system
will
consider
that
plan
and
vice
versa.
So
it
will
complement
each
other.
So
that's
one
part
of
guidance
and
wayfinding
that
we're
working
on
the
other
elements
that
we're
working
on
are
with
via.
Y
In
fact,
our
team
currently
is
meeting
with
Thea
reviewing
certain
Concepts
around
writing
around
Morgan
and
channel
site
relative
to
their
proposed
projects
as
well.
They
have
two
major
projects
around
the
downtown
area,
so
all
of
these
will
work
together
and
are
being
considered
together
and
then
somewhat
related,
but
not
directly.
We're
working
with
the
downtown
partnership
on
both
Mobility
Services,
as
well
as
Marion
and
other
parts
of
the
downtown
Partnerships
service
area,
but
they
will
all
be
connected
and
considered
together.
A
M
A
T
M
Real
quickly
because
this
came
up
at
the
CRA
and
you
wanted
a
memo
or
an
email
about,
this
I
did
check
with
Revenue
Finance,
about
where
the
money
was
coming
from
relative
to
the
parking
signage
plan
that
and
it's
coming
from,
the
user
fees
from
The
Parkers
in
the
parking
garage
and
it's
not
coming
out
of
any
other
source.
So.
T
B
T
E
B
F
Good
afternoon,
Mr,
chairman
and
Council
hope
you
all
are
having
a
great
Thursday
for
the
record.
Deputy
Administrator
Elise
drumko
just
wanted
to
come
before
you
today
to
provide
you
with
an
update,
so
staff
was
requested
to
explore
the
potential
of
the
city
purchasing
the
Jackson
house
and
subsequently
filing
for
imminent
domain
for
the
property
necessary
to
restore
the
house,
and
so
you
saw
folks
come
in
this
morning
and
then
also
Dr
Collins,
sits
behind
me
and
I
can
be
very
direct
and
say
that
the
house
is
not
for
sale.
F
The
foundation
is
also
not
supportive
of
utilizing
imminent
domain
as
a
solution
to
retain
the
property
necessary
to
go
forward.
The
adjacent
Property
Owners,
the
accardes,
have
been
very
receptive
and
Cooperative.
You
know,
along
and
throughout
this
process-
and
you
know
just
a
little
bit
of
background
on
it.
They've
also
provided
some
access
across
their
property
in
the
past
to
allow
for
the
stabilization
of
that
structure.
So
you
know
I
really
don't
want
to
speak
for
legal
counsel,
but
I
know
that
the
process
of
imminent
domain
is
lengthy.
F
Today,
with
respect
for
the
process,
because,
as
you
all
know,
it's
not
over
until
it's
over
and
it's
not
officially
locked
in
until
it's
locked
in.
So
if
it
is
the
pleasure
of
council
we'd
love
to
be
able
to
take
some
of
what
we've
shared
with
you,
put
it
into
a
formal
agreement
and
bring
that
back
to
you
we're.
F
Ideally
I
was
talking
to
attorney
Massey
a
few
minutes
ago,
because
he's
he's
been
helping
and
supporting
on
this
like
to
be
able
to
come
back
to
you,
September
21st,
with
a
formal
agreement
for
your
consideration
and
at
that
time
you'll
be
able
to
see
the
terms
and
we'll
be
able
to
prepare
the
accompanying
exhibits
to
to
get
us
to
a
closure
on
this.
Hopefully,.
F
B
B
and
I.
Remember
that,
because
my
friends
and
I
would
come
downtown,
maybe
even
earlier
2004
and
there
was
the
goody
goody
building
which
isn't
there,
there
was
the
Moss
Brothers
building,
which
was
demolished
in
06..
We
would
go
downtown,
we'd,
explore
and
take
pictures
of
all
these
old
buildings,
but
the
Jackson
house,
you
know
I,
don't
have
to
go
through
it,
but
we
know
how
special
that
is
special.
B
The
story,
the
people
that
were
there,
the
significance
and
importance
of
Central
Avenue
councilwoman
Henderson
mentioned
earlier:
Central
Avenue
business
district,
a
black
business
district
think
about
Ybor,
City,
black
Ybor
city
bus.
You
know
respectable
people
tomorrow,
night
I'm
meeting
with
the
grandson
of
Moses
white,
a
leader
right
around
the
corner,
who
was
there
during
the
rise
of
67,
who
knew
knew
very
well
that
Jackson
house
I
could
go
on
and
on.
B
I
have
I've
had
a
very
tremendous
fascination
with
it,
but
I've
had
a
fascination
with
restoring
it
and
doing
something
with
it
and
I
am
going
to
bring
this
up
because
I
think
it
it.
It
makes
sense.
You
know,
I
have
these
weird
analogies,
but
there
are
people
that
say:
oh
it's
falling
apart.
It's
going
to
fall,
you
know
a
strong
wind's
going
to
blow
it
over
I
think
it
can
be
restored.
B
I
think
if
it
can
be
saved
and
brought
back
to
its
Splendor
I,
don't
know
if
you
saw
in
the
news
whatever,
but
there
was
a
car
auction
the
other
day
and
a
Ferrari,
a
wrecked
Ferrari.
It's
a
hunk
of
metal.
Okay
from
the
1950s
sold
for
1.9
million
dollars
and
I
saw
yesterday.
It
says
two
million
dollars
to
restore
to
get
it
roadworthy
again.
B
I
mean
this
looks
like
a
car
crash,
and
it
says
the
results
will
be
Priceless
it'll
be
worth
10
to
15
million
dollars
because
it's
a
car,
but
in
this
scenario
the
result
will
be
Priceless
when
people
can
say.
Oh,
you
know,
with
a
million
here
and
this
money
there,
the
result
will
be
Priceless
because
Central
Avenue
was
essentially
wiped
out.
It
was
demolished,
there's
very
few.
The
longshoremen's
building
kid
Mason,
the
church
that
is
now
restore.
We
talked
about
the
Bell,
the
Jackson
house,
very
few
structures
that
you
can
say.
B
Let
me
tell
you
about
this
history
right.
You
can
go
to
Ybor
City.
You
can
go
down
7th
Avenue,
even
though
it
doesn't
look
exactly
the
same
like
it
did.
60
70
years
ago,
I
can
take
you
and
say
this
is
what
it
was
like
for
the
Italians
and
the
Cubans
and
the
Spaniards
and
the
Germans
on
and
on
and
on
this
house
is
so
important
that
it
has
to
be
saved.
B
It
has
to
be
saved
not
just
for
for
us
for
this
community
today,
but
for
future
Generations,
because
we
have
to
tell
the
story
of
what
was
there
and
we
have
to
tell
the
story
of
all
the
important
people
that
that
move
through
there,
so
I
look
forward
to
September
21st
again
I'm
going
to
go
to
all
the
council
members,
but
I
think
this
is
this.
Is
the
this
motion
is
the
Catalyst
that
we
needed
to
get
the
ball
rolling
for
these
discussions,
and
so
we
can.
Finally,
you
know
save
this
place.
E
Thank
you
I
for
anybody
who
is
only
watching
now
for
the
first
time,
I
made
a
long
speech
this
morning,
which
I'm
not
going
to
repeat
but
I've,
been
trying
to
save
the
Jackson
house
for
more
than
10
years
and
there's
many
people
that
have
been
trying
to
do
that
and
representatives
of
the
foundation
are
here
today,
and
so
thank
you
to
everybody.
Who's
tried
to
do
this.
This
I've
said
many
times.
This
building
is
is
important
for
Central
Avenue.
It's
important
for
Mr
Robinson's
family.
E
It's
important
to
tell
the
story
of
how
Tampa
was
connected
to
Cuba
and
the
music
and
all
that.
But
it's
also
because
it's
across
from
Tampa
Union
Station,
it's
important
symbol
and
discussion
about
segregation
in
Tampa
and
my
kids
know
very
very
well
what
the
Jackson
house
is
and
they've
been
there
lots
of
times
on
the
outside
and
we'll
continue
to
tell
those
stories.
I
think
you
all
know
I'm
so
passionate
about
the
Jackson
house,
that
I
have
a
painting
by
Dean
Mitchell,
that's
on
my
wall
and
when
we
do
remote
meetings.
E
It's
always
in
the
background,
because
I
want
to
make
the
statement
that
we
need
to
save
that.
You
know
black
history
of
Tampa
is
the
history
of
Tampa.
It's
the
history
for
all
of
us
and
we
need
to
make
sure
we
preserve
that
I
want
to
clarify,
though,
because
some
misinformation
went
out.
Nobody
on
city
council
has
ever
proposed.
E
Nobody
on
on
city
council,
ever
I
think
has
ever
proposed
tearing
it
down,
there's
only
one
person
that
proposed
tearing
it
down,
and
that
was
10
years
ago,
and
he
wasn't
on
city
council
and
so
the
motion
that
I
made
and
I'll
take
credit
for
it.
Although
thank
you
to
my
colleagues
for
supporting
it
was
to
try
to
move
the
negotiations
along
and
then
move
this.
This
this
movement
along
folks,
almost
weekly,
go
online
and
take
a
picture
of
the
Jackson
house
and
post
wines
at
the
city
or
City
accounts
will
do
anything.
E
This
city
council
sitting
as
a
CRA,
has
just
about
quarterly
or
monthly
for
the
last
four
years.
As
for
updates
on
the
Jackson
house,
and
then
two
or
three
years
ago,
we
made
a
motion
to
put
a
million
dollars
in
from
the
CRA,
and
so
we've
been
fully
behind
the
Jackson
house
and
the
only
intent
at
the
motion-
and
this
discussion
is
to
is
to
save
the
Jacksons
before
it
falls
down
for
the
people
who
want
to
see
it
falling
down.
I
want
I,
don't
want
to
give
them
that
satisfaction.
E
And
lastly,
you
know
when
I
first
started
talking
about
it.
I
was
talking
to
other
people
in
the
community,
like
Chloe
Coney,
whose
family
had
a
building
their
own
Central,
Avenue
and
others,
and
my
original
idea
was:
let's,
let's
restore
and
recreate
several
of
them.
Unfortunately,
we
don't
have
the
land
to
do
that,
but
we
can
at
least
save
this
if
anybody's
been
to
Williamsburg,
90
of
the
buildings
in
Williamsburg
are
Recreations,
and
so,
if
it
falls
down,
we
can
absolutely
rebuild,
even
if
we
just
have
one
piece
of
of
wood
from
it,
the
other.
E
E
Manhattan
Casino
in
St
Pete
was
a
famous
building
and
unfortunately
weren't
able
to
save
it,
but
they
rebuilt
it.
And-
and
you
know,
my
commitment
to
the
foundation
of
public
is
I'm
going
to
continue
to
do
everything
I
can
to
make
sure
this
building
is
up
and
going
and
I've
offered
publicly
to
personally
buy
the
piano
that
go
in
the
lobby
once
it's
rebuilt.
Thank
you.
K
K
You
know
a,
but
in
one
form
or
another,
making
sure
that
that
piece
of
history
is
preserved
and
I
I
agree
with
councilman
Carlson
I
applaud
him,
because
I've
heard
him
for
the
years
trying
you
know
being
an
advocate
for
the
for
the
Jackson
house,
so
I
don't
want
anybody
to
be
under
and
any
misconception
or
misunderstanding
that
that
will
is
does
not
exist
up
here.
Amongst
this
board.
K
I
think
you
know.
Obviously
the
foundation
is
is
committed
to
fulfilling
the
mission
of
the
family
to
ensuring
that
this
history
lives
on
that.
There's
absolutely
no
doubt
in
my
mind.
Up
to
this
point,
we've
had
one
obstacle
and
I
think
you
were
very
generous
in
your
remarks.
Deputy
director,
but
we've
had
one
obstacle.
Hopefully
that
obstacle
will
is,
is
moving
and
sees
sees
the
wisdom
and
working
with
the
city
and
and
coming
with
a
fair
and
Equitable
solution.
K
V
Chair
and
and
I
wanted
to
again
thank
everybody.
Who's
been
working
on
this
at
least
I.
Obviously,
you've
been
doing
a
lot
of
work
and
and
everybody,
including
councilman,
Carlson,
I,
remember
being
peppered
on
the
Jackson
house
when
I
spoke
as
a
candidate
at
kapington,
Tampa,
so
yeah
very,
very
important
issue.
V
V
V
N
N
We're
close
I
want
to
thank
the
foundation
for
their
passion
and
sticking
with
it.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
work
that
you've
done
in
helping
them
come
to
a
compromise
in
this
matter.
I
want
to
thank
councilman.
Carlson
Carlson
for
his
passion.
Intimate
domain
is
not
the
way.
Historically
is
just
not
the
way.
N
It's
not
a
good
idea
in
terms
of
the
historical
aspect
of
taking
a
property
that
belonged
to
black
folks,
as
we
would
say
that
has
happened
too
much
in
our
history,
although
I
do
believe
the
intentions
were
good,
but
not
with
this
matter.
So
hopefully,
when
you
come
back
to
us
into
weeks,
it
will
be
moving
along
because
really
what
we
all
know
that
needs
to
happen
is
that
the
work
needs
to
begin
I.
Believe
God
has
given
us
a
reprieve
to
get
to
this
point.
So
I
do
appreciate
what
you've
done
so
far.
Yes,.
B
T
Thank
you
and
I
just
wanted
to
Echo.
Basically
what
everyone
else
says
and
to
you
know
give
my
thanks
to
Mr,
drumgo
and
Mr
Massey
for
continuing
to
work
on
this
and
I
really
look
forward
to
seeing
the
Jackson
house
not
rebuilt,
but
just
you
know,
being
being
brought
back
to
its
former
glory.
Thank
everyone.
Who's
had
a
major
part
in
it.
E
One
one
clarification
of
motion:
the
motion
was
never
to
file
imminent
domain
against
the
Jackson
household,
to
file
imminent
domain
against
the
chase
of
property.
So
so
and
I
don't
know
the
ethnicity
of
the
Arts,
but
they're
I,
don't
think
they're
black
anyway,
but
the
I
know
you're.
You
said
you're
going
to
come
back
and
say:
what
did
you
say
in
September?
September
21st
is
what
we're.
E
What
we're
looking
at
I
I
talked
to
had
that
pleasure
talking
to
Dr
Collins
and
her
her
board
members
after
the
meeting
and
at
some
I'd
like
to
go
ahead
and
schedule
a
time
for
for
her
to
come
back
and
talk
about
the
plans
for
renovation,
so
that
if,
if
the
contract
comes
back
in
September,
hopefully
would
be
executed
in
October.
How
about
November
2nd?
Is
that
too
early
to
ask
them
to
come?
Give
an
update.
AF
N
B
B
And
your
staff,
thank
you
to
Dr
Collins
and
your
board.
You
know
we
have
your
back
and
again.
You
you've
heard
the
passionate
voices
up
here.
We've
heard
the
passionate
voices
in
the
audience
and
I
look
forward
to
a
ribbon
cutting
of
the
Resurrected
Jackson
house
coming
soon,
so
I'm
really
excited
and
looking
forward
to
this
may.
B
V
Think
you
also
wanted
to
thank
the
most
ignored
group
in
America
lawyers
and
I'm
joking,
but
the
lawyers
who
did
this
Mr
Massey
and
others
really
really
and
everybody
Rebecca
Johns
everybody.
Thank
you
very
much
because
the
unsung
heroes
in
America
lawyers
and
I'm
joking,
but
but
again,
obviously
to
the
attorneys
a
lot
of
work
and
whatnot.
So
thank
you.
F
F
F
AE
Good
afternoon,
chair
city
council
members
for
item
number,
119.
I
quickly
would
like
to
go
over
the
three
requests
for
this
presentation.
First,
we
have
Dr
Walter
Smith.
As
many
of
you
know,
he
was
the
seventh
president
of
Florida,
a
m
University
and
under
his
tenure
he
was
able
to
defeat.
There
was
an
effort
to
merge
fmu
with
UF
and
he
was
able
to
defeat
that
and
keep
it
as
a
standalone.
Historically
back
College.
He
acquired
at
that
time,
10
million
dollars,
which
was
a
very
impressive
endowment.
AE
It
doesn't
seem
like
much
today
to
help
with
his
efforts
for
the
athletic
programs
and
expanding
into
new
degree
programs.
Under
his
leadership.
They
expanded
the
black
archives
and
built
new
improved
facilities,
including
Bragg
Memorial
Stadium.
In
addition
to
that,
he
served
as
a
Fulbright
scholar
at
the
University
of
Malawi.
He
also
again
created
new
higher
education
programs
for
the
instructors
there.
He
also
established
the
I
want
to
get
this
correct,
Funda
Community
College
in
Soweto,
South
Africa.
He
also
wrote
The
Magnificent
12
about
Florida's
12,
black
junior
colleges.
B
AE
Sorry,
I
know
that
that's
Tampa
it's
been
a
long
day
and
it
has
been
dedicated
to
the
enhancing
the
educational
development
of
his
Boyhood
community
and,
as
you
can
see,
the
library's
right
there
on
the
corner.
We
have
a
sign
right
across
the
street,
which
is
right
at
Cypress
and
North
Albany.
So,
as
you
approach
you'll
see
that
going
towards
the
library
there
and
if
you
don't
have
any
questions
on
Dr,
Smith
or.
B
N
Yeah
you
struggle
with
just
so
go
ahead
because
I'll
be
I'll,
go
last
since
I'm
a
rally:
okay,
okay!
Well!
First
of
all,
you
know
this
is
so
befitting
because
we
have
our
past
National
president
Dr
Carolyn
Collins
in
the
room
and
actually
I'm
very
excited
to
actually
say
this-
that
he
was
my
president
as
a
freshman
at
Florida,
a
m
University
and
his
history
is
profound
everything
that
you
did
read
very
significant.
N
What
he's
done
I'm
so
happy
to
see
this
I
have
a
very
nice
surprise,
emotion
under
new
business
that
will
even
support
this
effort,
but
very
glad
to
see
well
deserved.
He
is
a
homeboy
Tampa
native
and
the
of
course,
the
only
Florida,
a
m
University
president
from
Tampa
West
Tampa
on
the
west
side,
so
I'm
just
so
thankful
for
this
opportunity
to
celebrate
him
in
this
way
and
I
know
that
his
family
is
very
proud.
V
AE
AE
But
for
many
tampanians
he's
known
for
his
boxing
history
and
again,
the
hobnobbing
and
being
friends
with
not
only
Muhammad
Ali
and
ferdi
pateko,
sorry
I'm,
not
a
that
was
a
little
bit
before
my
time,
but
he
was
also
inducted
into
the
Florida
Boxing
Hall
of
Fame
in
2010.
He
was
incredibly
revered
for
the
type
of
man.
He
was
for
his
integrity
and
his
honesty
in
doing
business
and
for
what
he
gave
the
boxing
community
and
promoting
it
also
with
our
youth
at
that
time,
especially
with
at-risk
kids
in
the
community.
B
Was
a
senior
I
was
fortunate
to
give
him
a
accommodation
right
before
he
passed
away
right
there
in
his
office
at
that
Bakery
and
I
stopped
there.
Often
you
can't
go
wrong
with
any
alessi
Bakery
Treats,
but
I
know
that
my
mother,
when
she
was
a
little
girl,
she
would
go
to
the
Howard
Avenue
location
next
to
the
post
office.
B
That
still
says
Alessia
around
the
around
the
building,
but
his
connection,
as
you
mentioned
to
boxing
and
of
those
people,
I
only
met
Angelo
Dundee
I
was
in
the
room
with
Freddie
Pacheco
once
and
then
Muhammad
Ali
is
Muhammad
Ali,
but
to
have
that
right
there
in
West
Tampa,
you
know
that
Six
Degrees
of
Separation
I
mean
he
was.
He
was
right
there,
but
another
very
well
deserved.
You
know:
alessi
Baker
is
an
institution
for
over
a
century,
so
this
is.
This
is
really
special
as
well.
Thank
you.
N
N
That's
what
it's
called
yeah
we
used
to
eat
that
all
the
time
at
Jefferson,
High
School,
where
his
son
also
is
a
dragon
John
alessi,
so
I
love
going
in
there
and
seeing
his
son
still
still
running
the
place
for
him,
and
this
is
just
a
great
addition
in
terms
of
Street
naming.
So
this
has
just
been
a
good
day
from
the
top
of
the
morning.
AE
So
we
can
have
a
PowerPoint
back
one
second,
so
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
the
sign
will
be
right
there
at
Paddock
and
Cyprus
right
in
front
because
of
their
parking
lot
and
it
being
asphalted.
We
couldn't
do
it
directly
in
front
of
the
store.
So
this
was
the
closest
sign
right
there
kitty
corner
from
the
store
and
then
lastly,
we
do
have
wait.
B
AE
All
right,
so
yes,
lastly,
we
have
J
Clifford
McDonald,
again
an
amazing
individual.
In
our
Tampa
area
he
began
advocating
for
children
with
disabilities
all
the
way
back
in
1942.
He
started
enlisting
the
community
and
making
this
a
community
focused
effort
that
takes
a
community
to
help
our
children
and
to
help
them
be
productive
and
integrated
members
of
our
community.
He
established
the
first.
This
is
why
I
got
Drew
Park
mistake
earlier:
it's
not
I,
don't
know
where
the
locations
are.
AE
He
established
the
first
preschool
for
children
with
disabilities
in
the
entire
nation,
Andrew
Park.
He
founded
the
Hillsborough
Association
for
children
in
1953,
so
a
true
Advocate
ahead
of
his
time
and
then,
as
we
all
know
now,
and
we,
the
city
supports,
we
have
the
McDonald
Training
Center.
It
was
the
first
to
provide
services
and
training
to
older
children
a
lot
of
times
they
get
left
behind
once
they
assume
they
can
get
to
a
certain
level.
AE
He
advocated
for
the
advancement
of
educational,
vocational
and
residential
opportunities,
so
they
could
be
fully
functioning
and
individuals
out
in
the
society
and
be
seen
is
individuals.
He
founded
the
associations
for
children
with
disabilities,
both
at
the
state
and
the
national
level,
and
lastly,
he
was
awarded
the
medal
of
freedom
by
President
John
F
Kennedy
in
1963
for
all
of
his
efforts
in
this
area,
and
the
sign
is
right
there
again
because
of
the
light
poles.
We
want
the
sign
to
be
seen
and
it's
right
across
the
street.
AE
AF
AF
He
dreamed
big.
He
bugged
the
status
quo
and
J
Clifford
McDonald,
fiercely
advocated
for
his
son
and
other
children,
and
then
adults
with
disabilities,
Community
groups,
local
businesses
and
caring
individuals,
all
over
Tampa
Bay
held
carnivals
and
bake
sales
and
spaghetti
dinner.
Fundraisers,
that's
probably
before
my
time,
but
maybe
we
still
do
that
today
to
build
classrooms
and
playgrounds
and
together
they
change
lives
over
the
decades
MTC
McDonald
Training
Center
has
followed
his
example
with
determination,
wisdom
and
a
willingness
to
challenge
and
change
the
system,
giving
hope
to
individuals
and
their
families.
AF
That
may
feel
hopeless,
MTC
advocates
for
Equitable
access
opportunities
and
inclusion
for
people
with
disabilities
and
our
Innovative
transformational
and
elevated
services
are
constantly
meeting
the
evolving
needs
of
the
community
we
represent
and
that
we
serve
so
we
are
very
excited.
This
is
going
to
be
perfect.
More
perfect
timing
than
during
our
70th
anniversary
celebration
on
October
12th
it'll.
Be
J
Clifford,
McDonald's,
122nd
birthday,
he
did
pass
away
in
1963,
but
we
are
very
excited
and
and
very
appreciative
of
this
opportunity.
Thank
you
director.
Thank.
B
You
very
much
thank
you
for
I,
don't
I,
don't
have
to
say.
We
know
how
important
the
McDonald
Training
Center
is
and
how
impactful
it
is
to
this
community,
and
so
many
families,
I
I,
toured
it
not
too
long
ago,
and
it's
just
you
know
what
you
do
is,
and
you
know
you
see
the
photos
on
the
wall
of
people,
people
that
I
recognize
people
in
the
community,
people
I
see
in
the
neighborhood
or
siblings
or
but
the
impact
that
you
have
is
immeasurable.
So
councilman
Vieira,
councilman,
Clinton.
V
V
But
you
know,
and
it's
it's
important.
He
was
honored
by
President
Kennedy.
It
was
given
by
LBJ
a
year
later
because
of
President
Kennedy's
murder,
but
President
Kennedy,
the
first
president,
who
really
championed
the
mentally
disabled
because
of
his
sister
Rose
Marie
began
the
president's
Council
for
people
with
intellectual
disabilities
and
and
again
McDonald's
Training
Center
I
mean
the
Vera
family,
loves
McDonald's,
Training
Center,
because
my
brother's
a
client.
V
So
you
obviously
know
Juan
works
over
at
James
Ranch
and
a
McDonald's
Training
Center
is
a
godsend
for
us
and
yeah,
and
it's
just
a
wonderful
organization,
one
of
many
here
in
Tampa,
whether
parts
of
national
organizations
like
best
buddies
or
Special,
Olympics
or
or
so
many
different
local
organizations
card
at
USF
and
many
other
ones
that
do
so
so
much
so
yeah
again,
just
one
after
my
own
heart,
110
percent
and
and
always
good
to
see
you
Phyllis
love,
you
thank
you.
Yeah.
K
Thank
you
all
for
everything
that
you
do
and
I
have
a
family
connection
as
well.
My
brother-in-law
was
a
a
client
and
and
went
was
that
McDonald
trading
center
for
years
and
I
can
tell
you
that
what
an
incredible
valuable
asset
that
you
were
for
for
him
and
our
family,
that
he
provided
purpose,
skill,
camaraderie
friendship
and
you
know
that
and
that
sense
of
of
one
belonging
and
also
you
know
contributing,
and
it
was
it
was.
K
It
was
amazing,
to
watch
and
to
witness
and
and
to
see
the
impact
that
it
has
on
on
his
life.
You
know
he's
subsequently
passed
away,
but
he's
he's
forever
in
our
family's
heart,
of
course,
and
again
I
appreciate
that
what
the
center
has
done
for
my
family
and
for
so
many
other
people's
families.
Thank
you.
Thank.
N
He
Mr
McDonald
really
is
the
the
original
best
buddies.
That's
the
only
way
that
I
really
can
say
it.
What
this
program
training
center
does
is
amazing.
Jefferson
has
had
an
association
with
it
for
a
long
time,
I'm
just
so
thankful
that
you
all
are
being
recognized.
You
know
within
honor
of
his
70th
the
70th
year.
So
just
congratulations
and
kudos
to
you
for
all
the
work
that
you
do
to
keep
it
going.
I
know
he
would
be
so
proud.
N
I
had
no
idea,
he
passed
away
in
1963,
so
that
is
even
an
honor
itself,
knowing
how
long
it
has
continued
since
his
death.
This
is
really
a
Tampa
Jewel
that
we
should
be
extremely
proud
of
every
single
one
of
us
and
just
kudos
to
everyone
that
you
all
serve,
and
the
volunteers
and
the
even
the
the
money
that
comes
in
everything
may
be
blessed
abundantly.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very.
AF
AE
B
AE
And
then
for
the
listening
public
we
do
have
on
the
city
of
Tampa's
Real
Estate
website.
If
anyone
does
want
to
add
public
comment,
we
will
keep
that
it's
been
up
since
September
30th
and
we
will
keep
that
up
until
September
20th
and
then,
if
we
do
receive
any
public
comment,
we'll
bring
it
to
you
in
October.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
A
P
Yes,
I
have
a
few
okay
believe
it
or
not.
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
present
a
combination
to
the
mayor's
Hispanic
heritage
committee
for
the
dedication
and
Tardis
efforts
on
behalf
of
the
Hispanic
Community.
As
you
heard
this
morning,
this
year
would
be
the
35th
annual
Hispanic
his
Heritage
celebration.
The
combination
will
be
presented
by
all
council
members
at
the
on
Wednesday
September
27th
at
the
beautiful
Tampa
theater.
B
P
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
present
a
combination
of
Gregory,
Spearman
purchasing
directors,
excellent
staff
for
receiving
the
2022
achievement
of
Excellence
procurement
award
for
the
17th
year,
and
also
it
would
be
all
in
this.
The
same
day,
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
present
a
personal
combination
of
regular
experiment
for
receiving
the
distinguished
service
award
that
was
awarded
to
Mr
Spearman
of
the
National
Institute
of
government,
purchasing
annual
form
in
Louisville
Kentucky
on
August
21st
2023,
and
that
will
be
presented
if
you
approve
it
on
September,
7th
2023.
P
P
P
I
would
like
to
suggest
that
we
continue
the
two
following
items
to
the
December
Workshop
one
is
Code
Enforcement
Land
Development
site
to
bring
forth
the
plant,
bringing
illegal
resident
units
into
compliance
and
construction
service
department
to
discuss
how
the
city
can
fairly
and
systematically
go
through
neighborhoods
to
identify
structures
and
work
with
the
realtor
and
real
estate
Community
to
adequately
inform
property
buyers.
Buyers
of
property
anyway,
about
the
rights
of
property
owners
have
on
these
structures.
P
B
V
I
do
well
actually
I
have
one
that
will
I
have
a
couple.
Nothing
big
I
make
a
motion
to
combine
the
public
safety
motions,
except
for
the
August
31st
workshop
and
the
following
motion
that
would
require
one
Workshop,
so
I'd
like
to
take
all
of
my
98
motions
that
were
going
to
be
heard
that
day,
the
Tampa
Fire,
Rescue
and
Tampa
Police
Department
appear
and
provide
an
action
plan
plan
to
address
the
fire
and
police
deficits
as
part
of
a
public
safety
master
plan.
V
V
E
V
E
V
B
B
N
N
N
N
Long
time
I
actually
had
the
pleasure
came
to
my
swearing-in
ceremony,
and
one
thing
that
I
did
not
know
was
after
my
father
died.
He
would
continue
to
check
on
my
mother
and
he
has
her
picture
up
in
his
house
of
the
article
that
they
wrote
and
put
in
the
Tampa
Tribune
at
the
time.
I
think
that's
what
it's
called
so
anyway.
I
just
think
he
deserves
accommodation.
47
years
later
and
I
appreciate
you
obliging
me,
that's
awesome,
okay,
so
you
would
need
to.
We
need
to
vote
right.
We
already
do.
N
We
did
okay,
I
was
so
emotional
I
didn't
hear
it
okay,
this
next
one
in
light
of
what's
happening
in
terms
of
affirmative
action.
You
know
at
the
Supreme
Court
level,
I
thought
I
would
do
something
positive
and
so
in
September,
except
the
week
of
September
24th
through
the
28th
is
National
HBCU
week.
S
L
K
T
T
We
had
a
couple
of
things
on
paying
our
credit
card
fees
and
both
of
them
were
nine
hundred
thousand
dollars,
thought
that
was
a
lot
of
money
to
pay
for
a
credit
card
fee,
so
I'm
motioning
for
staff
to
research,
a
charge
for
customers
using
credit
cards
to
pay
city
fees,
including
service
fees
in
lieu
of
convenience
fees
and
structural
assessments.
That
would
allow
varying
fees
across
business
sectors
and
report
back
to
Council
on
November,
2nd
2023
and
that's
very
convoluted,
because
I
asked
Chief
Financial
Officer
rohero
to
write
it
so
hold.
B
L
T
B
T
T
It
moves
through
the
system,
so
I
moved
to
have
staff
present
a
quarterly
budget
report,
three
weeks
after
each
quarter
to
include
Capital
Improvement
plan,
actuals
and
quarterly
budget
amendments,
so
that
that
kind
of
shows
how
the
money
is
moving
around
so
that
we
have
a
better
idea
of
where
it
needs
to
go
in
the
future
and
whether
or
not
we're
putting
in
the
right
place.
To
begin
with.
We.
C
T
Sure
staff
present
a
quarterly
budget
Rapport.
So
after
each
quarter,
you
know
where
the
money
went
like
the
actuals
of
for
that
fiscal
year
to
include
the
capital
Improvement
plan
actual.
So
we
know
how
that
money
is
being
spent
where
it's
being
spent
and
quarterly
budget
amendments.
So
they
come
in
front
of
us
to
amend,
but
we
don't
I
mean
you're,
not
I,
don't
keep
track
of
that,
so
they
do
so.
I
would
like
to
see
you
know
how
that
money
moves
throughout
the
year
can.
T
B
T
T
Work
I'm
taking
the
item
off
the
workshop
and
I'm
gonna
be
replacing
with
something
else.
So
the
most
the
item
I'm
taking
off,
is
citizen
stakeholder
group
to
provide
an
update
on
the
use
of
funding
left
in
the
PCL
contract,
approved
in
February
2022
to
analyze
best
and
worst
case
scenarios
of
continuing
at
the
water
status
quo
on
Senate
Bill
64.,
minimum
flows
on
the
Hillsborough
River
and
drought
proofing
the
reservoir,
because
now
the
PCL
contract
is
only
going
with
the
sixth
project.
We.
T
It
in
lieu
of
the
report
associate
associated
with
the
withdrawn
motion,
I
moved
for
staff
to
present
a
report
to
City
Council
on
the
status
of
the
six
pilot
project
during
the
August
31st
2023
Workshop.
To
prevent
any
confusion.
There
is
no
change
to
the
motion
that
states,
City
staff
and
a
representative
of
the
Sierra
Club
to
report
on
how
the
city
can
modify
the
state
law,
sb64
or
dep
guidelines
regarding
Wastewater
reuse,
pure.
B
E
Yeah,
the
our
Budget
Finance
advisory
committee
met
and
I
heard
from
several
of
the
members
a
lot
of
things,
but
one
of
them
was
that
they
asked
the
staff
several
times,
I
think
over
more
than
one
meeting
for
a
copy
of
the
budget.
That
did
not
include
the
increase
and
one
of
the
questions
they
asked
apparently
was
what
happens
on
September
5th.
E
If
we
don't
approve
the
tax
increase,
there's
no
budget
to
approve,
because
there's
no
alternative
budget
and
they'd
also
like
to
see
what
the
budget,
how
the
budget
would
look
different
if
we
did
not
approve
it,
and
so
I
I
like
to
make
a
motion.
Ask
the
CFO
to
provide
to
city
council
before
September
5th
a
copy
of
the
2024
budget.
Without
the
tax
increase.
N
Timeline
my
concern:
is
them
going
to
the
drawing
board
to
figure
that
out
or
are
they
relying
on
last
year's
data?
I,
don't
know
I
think
maybe
we
should
have
even
well
we're
city
council,
so
we
get
to
make
this
so
I.
Don't
know
I
just
feel
like
they
wouldn't
have
enough
time.
But
we'll
see
what
the
vote
says
they.
B
A
P
Have
it
councilman,
Miranda
I,
don't
know
what
they
have
I
would
imagine
they
have
one.
But
when
you
look
at
your
thing
was
sent
out
by
the
tax
assessor
text,
collector
I
mean
tax,
assessor
henriquez's
office,
it
tastes,
it
says,
propose
and
yeah
the
other
one.
The
trim
notice.
This
tells
you
what
the
amount
difference
is
as
far
as
the
amount
of
money
collected.
So
they
got
to
have
another
budget
somewhere.
K
Well,
it's
my
understanding
that
it's
the
administration's
responsibility
to
prepare
a
budget
and
submit
it
they
chartered
to
council
which
they
accomplished.
They
did
and
I
think
now
the
balls
in
our
court.
We
go
through
the
budget
and
if
you
don't
want
to
approve
the
proposed
Revenue
stream,
you
go
through
and
you
slice
what
needs
to
come
off
of
it.
So
the
administration
fulfilled
their
end
of
the
bargain.
Now
it's
in
councils
I
mean
we
can't
say
we
want
this
responsibility
and
then
defer
it.
K
So
the
Administration
has
done
what
they
were
supposed
to
do.
They've
submitted
and
proposed
a
budget
submitted
it
to
council
it's
now
in
our
court.
We
go
through
the
budget,
we
decide
what
we
want.
What
we
don't
want,
what
we
want
to
fund
what
we
don't
want
to
fund
what
we
want
to
stipulate
and
I
I.
Think
that
and
that's
what
we
do
do
I
think
honestly,
I
think
it's
it's
kind
of
like
wanting
your
cake
and
eating
it
too.
K
B
All
right,
another
thing
with
that
is
you
know
a
budget
was
delivered
to
us
with
a
proposed
one
mil
increase.
If
we
then
in
turn,
don't
want
to
support
them,
as
if
people
say
Do
not
raise
our
taxes
at
all,
I
don't
support
any
kind
of
millage
increase.
Then
it's
spun
and
it
looks
like
well
city
council,
cut
everything
you
see.
No
city
council
didn't
want
to
raise
or
did
want
to
raise
your
taxes
and
therefore
the
blame
shifts
to
us.
The.
K
Administration
submits
a
budget
with
a
proposed
Revenue
stream
that
was
their
proposed
Revenue
stream.
If
we
don't
want
that
Revenue
stream,
then
we
go
through
and
said.
This
is
what
that
budget
would
look
like
without
that
Revenue
stream
I
mean
if
they
don't
they're,
not
they're,
not
obligated
by
Charter
to
submit
multiple
budgets,
I
mean
so
I
think
it's
like
what
comes
first,
the
chicken
or
the
egg.
This
is
the
this
is
the
Pro's
budget.
This
is
what
we
need
to
fulfill
that
budget.
If
you
my
God,
we
could
roll
back
taxes
by
50.
AA
T
K
K
Guys
correct
me:
if
I'm
wrong,
the
administration
is
required
by
Charter
to
submit
a
budget
to
us.
They
fulfilled
their
their.
They
fulfilled
their
obligation
now.
So
I
think
it's
up
to
us
when
we
talk
to
the
community
that
if,
if
this
is
not
the
budget
you
want,
this
is
what
we're
going
to
have
to
do.
We're
going
to
have
to
this
is
we're
gonna
have
to
fund
this
program
at
this
level.
We're
gonna
this
level
that
and
that's
that
ball
is
in
our
court
now,
but
we
have
to
do
that
because.
C
AA
T
We
don't
have
the
we
don't
have
the
staff
and
the
background
to
necessarily
be
able
I
mean
I'm
still
trying
to
get
a
line
item
breakdown
of
the
budget
and
I'm
struggling
with
that
and
I'm
not
happy,
because
I
can't
make
a
decision
when
I
see
this
giant
other
column
with
you
know:
57
million
dollars
if
I
can't
see
a
breakdown,
light
item
of
where
every
penny
is
going
right.
I'm
struggling
to
approve
a
budget
period,
I.
T
K
Next,
fiscal
year
budget,
my
expectations,
what
a
real
budget
that
we
can
do
those
fiduciary
responsibilities.
You
know
that
we
can
have
in
front
of
us
I
agree
100,
but
it
appears
to
me
based
on
historical
references
and
folks
that
I've
spoken
with
this
has
been
an
ongoing
issue
and
we're
not
going
to
solve
this
in
a
45-day
period
for
this
for
this
fiscal
year.
So
we
have
to
we
we
kind
of
have
to
make
we
have
to.
K
We
have
to
do
with
what
we
have
with
the
information
that
we
have
but
I
again
we
have.
We
have
11
months
to
make
sure
that
and
the
next
time
we
go
through
this
process.
We
have
the
information
we
need.
We
have
those
line
items.
We
have
a
book
that
includes
all
the
both
the
general
fund
and
the
capital
fund
all
there
for
me
to
look
at
and
mine.
In
writing.
K
Please
are
in
black
and
white
on
paper
that
I
can
Redline
it
and
go
through
and
do
the
stuff
that
I
want
to
do,
but
again
based
on
where
we're
at
right.
Now,
what
historically,
what
they've
done
they've
presented
the
budget?
They
submitted
to
us
this.
This
body
is
empowered
to
go
through
there,
with
whatever
information
we
have
take
your
electronic
red
pen
to
it.
T
I'm,
like
writing
it
up.
I've
got
notes
on
every
single
I
mean
I,
have
a
big
work.
I
mean
I'm
working
on
it
this
weekend,
yeah
it's
it's
it's
a
lot
and
we
I'm
not
getting
the
answers.
I
have
way
more
questions
than
I
have
time
to
even
like
type
up
and
send
so
it's
going
to
be
real,
interesting
I,
but
but
I
do
think
that
that
would
help
us
make
a
decision
and
then
from
there.
T
If
you
have
the
mill
increase
and
the
no
increase,
then
you
can
actually
scale
up
easier,
because
if
we
wanted
to
say
okay
well,
maybe
one's
too
much,
maybe
a
quarter.
Then
if
we
have
the
zero
that
the
quarter
we
I
don't
know
about
you
I'm
much
better
at
adding
than
I
am
subtracting
I.
Just
that's
it's
easier!
Well,
yeah.
T
P
You
for
chairman,
you
know,
my
only
suggestion
is
if
it
is
our
budget
once
it's
added
to
us,
but
once
it's
handed
to
us,
you
have
a
very
short
period
of
a
window
to
pass
it
on
the
first
and
on
the
second
reading.
If
you
don't
and
you
go
past
that
October
deadline,
you
got
a
problem
with
the
people
that
are
giving
us
Bond
issues
and
everything
else
and
you're
going
to
possibly
get
into
some
danger
of
losing
some
of
your
credibility.
P
P
V
You
very
much
yeah
I,
I
I'll,
obviously
support
the
motion.
I
I
also
think
the
administration
I've
communicated
this
privately
should
be
ready
for
a
a
variety
of
situations.
There
are
four
buckets
of
proposed
spending,
essentially
that
this
millage
will
go
to
and
and
they
ought
to
be
prepared
for
various
scenarios.
It's
not
all
or
nothing.
It's
not
support
the
1.0
or
no
there's
there's
a
whole
lot
of
space
in
between
there.
V
Etc
I
I
think
it's
reasonable
to
say
that
there's
not
support
on
Council
my
my
opinion
just
from
hearing
comments
up
here,
etc
for
the
full
1.0,
potentially
and
I.
Don't
want
to
say
that
I
don't
think
there
will
be
so
I
don't
mean
to
offend
anybody
or
anything
of
that
nature.
I,
don't
think
there
will
be
a
majority
support.
V
I
I
know
for
myself.
I
came
out
against
it
as
soon
as
I
heard
about
it
and
and
for
reasons
that
I've
gone
over
many
many
times.
I
think
it
would
be
efficient
to
take
a
look
at
the
four
buckets
and
and
talk
about
as
they
have
were
each
how
much
money
goes
to
each
section.
Etc
et
cetera,
because
if
you,
you
know
just
send
out
what
we
have
coming
to
us
for
the
1.0
Mill
and
then
you
allow
city
council
to
in
a
hearing
go
over.
V
V
Miranda,
we
were
here
until
like
1
or
2
A.M,
and
none
of
us
obviously
were
afraid
of
doing
that.
But
we
want
to
be
as
efficient
as
possible
because
we
want
to
have
a
budget
that
is,
that
is
responsible
that
meets
our
needs,
and
that
also
reflects
the
the
economy
that
we
have
today
with
inflation.
I
think
we're
balancing
a
lot
of
things
and
I
want
to
have
a
variety
of
scenarios
presented
before
us.
B
B
No
one
ever
brought
me
the
trim
note
not
even
when
we
had
the
stormwater
discussion
and
well
a
cup
one
or
two
people,
two
people,
but
with
this
you
know,
people
are
very
concerned.
Another
thing
is
perhaps
I
don't
know
if
councilman
Carlson
would
agree
to
this.
But
you
know
in
regards
to
our
reserves.
I
think
we're
above
the
the
threshold
that
we
need
to
be.
If
we
need
to
dip
into
our
Reserve,
keep
the
auction
open.
I
mean
that
could
be
a
no.
B
It
could
be
a
yes
and
also
the
motion
that
was
made
at
CRA
the
other
day
and
how
we
can
free
up
some
downtown
CRA
money,
the
police
station
discussion
and
whatnot
just
look
at
different
ways
to
get
to
where
we
need
to
be
without
having
to
raise
the
military
without
having
to
go
one
route
or
another.
So
just
look
at
all
options.
I
mean
put
all
options
on
the
table
and
see
where
it
goes
so.
Councilman
Carlson,
you
have
a
motion.
Was
there
a
second
to
it?
I.
N
T
11
months
to
fix
next
year,
we
do
have
11
months
to
fix
next
year
and
I
will
be
behind
you
100.
If
we
decide
not
to
go
with
open
gov,
because
it's
very
confusing
and
online
can
help,
but
not
in
every
way,
I
understand
that
we
don't
need
every
single
invoice.
That's
not
what
I'm
asking
for,
but
literally
I
need
to
know
what
goes
to
I.
T
T
B
Think
it's
very
easy
because
they
said
with
this
full
mail:
it
generates
x
amount
of
dollars,
so
we
just
deduct
that
and
say:
okay,
we're
not
going
to
get
that
extra.
45
million
we're
not
going
to
get
and
that's
it
and
we
you
know,
because
there
is
growth,
there
is
Revenue
income,
that
is,
that
has
been
increasing
year
after
year
with
property
values.
Even
though
we're
capped
at
three
percent
and
whatnot
the
city's
making
money.
It's
not,
we
didn't
spend
it
all.
J
A
N
A
B
E
E
Are
you
going
to
propose
a
rate
increase
and
they
didn't
tell
them
and
so
part
of
the
discussion?
A
couple
was
it
yesterday
yesterday
was
that
they
were
frustrated
that
that
the
administration
gave
them
no
advance
notice
of
this,
and
so
had
they
told
us
in
March
that
they
were
planning
on
doing
this.
You
all
remember.
In
November,
a
year
ago,
I
made
a
motion
which
you
all
supported
to
to
look
into
adding
200
police
officers.
The
administration
came
back
and
for
months
and
vmle
said
we
don't
need
any
police
officers.
E
The
mayor
even
went
to
give
neighborhood
meetings
to
South
Tampa,
saying
that
I
didn't
tell
the
truth
and
the
the
zero
police
officers,
but
now
they're,
proposing
30..
Had
we
known
what
had
we
been
on
the
same
table?
Have
we
had
a
collaborative
process?
We
could
have
changed
this
and
every
year
we've
been
asking
for
it,
but
we
haven't
had
it
so
I
hope
that
councilmember
Clendenin
can
do
that,
but
we've
been
asking
for
it
for
a
long
time.
E
They
I
think
it
would
be
in
the
preference
of
the
mayor's
office
to
it
should
be
in
their
preference
to
propose
their
own
Cuts
instead
of
ours.
Then
we
can
show
look
to
the
public
who
are
going
to
have
to
cut
this.
This
is
maybe
we
don't
have
30
officers
or
whatever
it
is
I
mean
we
don't
have
more
fire
fires,
but
there
you
mentioned
somebody
mentioned
the
charter.
I
mean
a
couple
of
us
were
on
the
charter
review.
E
E
The
last
thing
is
that
our
committee
has
asked
over
and
over
again
for
more
information,
same
thing
as
council
member,
her
attack
and
the
administration
is
given
more
information
than
maybe
they
have
in
previous
years,
but
we
need
a
lot
more
information
because
people
are
going
to
go
down
into
it
and
I
I,
don't
know
if
I've
said
this
in
this
room,
but
I'm
not
supporting
any
rate
increase
whatsoever.
Zero
I
said
this
two
or
three
months
ago,
remember:
I,
said
publicly.
E
If
the
administration
I
wanted
to
roll
back,
I
said
the
administration
proposed
any
kind
of
rate
increase
I'll
be
opposed
to
it.
So
I'm,
not
making
sausage
and
I
think
it's
the
responsibility
Administration
to
look
at
where
to
cut.
They
picked
the
five
things:
I
split
up,
police
and
fire.
So
it's
that
five
things
that
we
wanted
and
then
they
presented
to
us
as
if
it's
not
our
priorities,
these
are
our
priorities
that
we
heard
from
them
from
the
public.
E
If
we
say
that
we
don't
want
this
Mill
we're
not
saying
that
we
don't
support
the
police
or
we
don't
do
anything
else
by
the
way.
A
year
ago,
I
voted
against
the
budget,
because
the
administration
for
four
years
refused
to
raise
the
road
repair
budget
and
and
the
their
potholes
all
over
South
Tampa.
E
In
the
campaign
there
was
a
six
page
with
pop-outs
mailer
against
me
that
talked
about
how
I
was
responsible
for
the
potholes
in
South
Tampa.
So
none
of
this
has
it.
My
point
is:
none
of
this
has
any
kind
of
political
impact,
because
no
matter
what
you
do
somebody's
going
to
make
up
something
Slanders
about
you
anyway,
so
we
should.
What
we
need
to
do
is
is
look
at
we're
getting
hundreds
of
emails.
We
need
to
look
at
the
impact
on
individuals
in
Inca
individuals.
E
B
B
L
K
K
B
All
right
and
I'd
like
to
present
a
commendation
if
I
can
get
them
here
we
have
a
a
night
meeting,
September
14th
at
501,
PM
I
doubt
he'll
be
able
to
come,
but
if
we
can
get
him
here,
a
few
minutes
before
I'd
like
to
present
a
commendation
of
Mayor
dick
Greco,
it
is
his
90th
birthday.
On
that
day.
Again
he
could
be
out
of
town,
he
could
be
whatever,
but
if
he
can't
make
it
that
day,
I'll
just
give
it
to
him
off
site.