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A
Thank
You
mr.
chair
councilman
Suarez
is
running
late,
so
I'm
gonna
be
introducing
you
for
him
ma'am.
It's
my
pleasure,
introduce
the
Reverend
Jacqueline
coffee
leaks,
who
is
a
Tampa
native
and
graduated
from
Hillsborough
High
School,
and
attended
the
University
of
Florida
and
received
her
bachelor's
degree
from
Moody
Bible,
Institute
she's,
the
mother
of
three
beautiful
children,
TIA
Eric
and
Kendra,
and
is
the
daughter
of
the
late
ronald
coffee
senior
in
maryland.
Streeter.
A
She
is
a
member
of
the
34th
Street
Church
of
God
were
Bishop
Tom
Scott
and
our
former
colleague
here
on
Tampa
City
Council
is
the
pastor.
She
serves
in
our
community
in
several
capacities,
including
being
a
part
of
the
mayor's
african-american
Advisory
Council,
the
vice
chair
of
the
Sulphur
Springs
neighborhood
of
promise
and
a
member
of
the
Tampa
Metro
alumni
chapter
of
Delta,
Sigma,
Theta
Incorporated,
so
Reverend.
It's
our
real
pleasure
to
have
you
here.
If
everyone
would
please
stand
for
the
prayer
and
remain
standing
for
the
pledge.
B
Thank
you
honored
to
be
here.
Let
us
pray
Lord
first,
we
say
thank
you
for
this
day,
realizing
that,
because
you
promised
that
you
would
care
for
us,
you
brought
us
to
this
very
moment
as
I
stand
before
your
people,
I'm
humble
as
your
servant.
I.
Thank
you
God
for
this
city,
council
I.
Thank
you
for
this
city,
god
I,
ask
God
that,
as
they
work
daily
to
transform
our
community
that
you
continue
to
transfer
them,
transform
them
got
those
things
that
are
causing
them
to
be
frustrated.
B
Allow
it
to
make
them
more
focused
those
things
God
that
are
causing
discord.
We
right
now
agree
for
harmony
god.
We
pray
right
now
for
our
law
enforcement
and
our
fire
department
and
all
the
areas
that
serve
our
city
God
as
they
put
out
the
fires,
help
them
not
to
just
put
out
the
fires,
but
to
come,
the
fear
of
the
people
and
they
enforce
the
laws.
God
help
them
to
embrace
the
people
with
the
sense
of
community.
We
thank
you
for
what
this
city
stands
for.
B
We
thank
you
for
the
covering
over
this
city,
but
most
of
all
God.
We
stand
today,
you
continue
to
unite
us
to
serve
your
people.
Don't
let
us
look
down
unless
we're
going
to
pick
someone
up
remind
us
that
their
vote
is
more
than
a
vote,
but
it's
a
voice
so
as
they
make
decisions
today,
let
them
be
reminded
of
what
you
called
them
to
do
to
serve
our
city.
We
thank
you.
We
ask
that
you
bless
us
individually
and
collectively
it's
in
Jesus,
name,
I,
pray,
amen,.
E
F
Thank
You
honorable
chairman
Tampa
City
Council
on
honorable
council
members,
my
pleasure
this
morning
to
be
here
for
the
council
to
make
the
presentation
to
detective
Michael
McNamara
waiting
to
hear
what
he's
done
on
a
computer
and
how
he
handles
the
collection
and
information
that
is
needed
to
make
the
rest
a
chief
asked,
which
would
make
the
presentation
and
Michael
right
here.
Sir
right
here
we
have
to
first
you
make
sure
you
don't
have
a
computer
on
you.
F
But
this
is
an
individual
who's
worked
so
diligently
and
like
I
said
chief
asked
me:
is
he
gonna
say
exactly
what
he's
done
and
why
he
was
chosen
of
one
of
12
a
year
as
police
officer
of
month
when
there's
over
a
thousand
police
officers.
So
that
means
that
he
knows
what
he's
doing.
That
means
that
he's
been
above
the
call
of
duty,
and
he
does
it
because
of
not
only
his
job
but
the
will
to
serve
the
public
good.
G
Morning,
Council
assistant
chief
Eli
Vasquez
pleasure
to
be
here.
Thank
you
for
taking
your
time
out
of
your
busy
schedule
to
recognize
one
of
our
best
and
brightest
officers
here.
I
have
with
me
detective
McNamara,
who
was
a
8-year
veteran
he's
been
with
the
Violent
Crime
Bureau
for
two
years,
and
he
puts
together
some
really
great
cases,
and
this
will
be
what
I
read
here
will
be
one
of
them.
G
One
of
his
many
duties
is
to
monitor
social
media
for
many
of
these
violent
offenders
and
what
they
post
and
and
any
intelligence
we
can
get
from
that,
and
we
follow
up
on
that.
So
in
this
particular
case,
detective
McNamara
observed
the
live
story.
Video
posted
into
Instagram
account
of
a
known
offender
at
a
gun
range
firing
several
of
different
firearms.
G
This
offender
was
just
released
from
prison
and
as
a
convicted
felon
detective
McNamara
was
able
to
determine
that
the
gun
range
he
was
at
was
in
Plant
City
and
obviously
we
don't
have
any
jurisdiction
there.
So
what
he
did
is
he
got
with
the
Florida
Department
of
Law
Enforcement
to
assist
him
in
this
investigation.
G
So
he
responded
out
to
the
gun
range
and
was
able
to
recover
the
show
casings
that
were
still
there
through
his
investigation,
he
was
able
to
determine
that
to
other
convicted
felons
were
also
shooting
at
this
range.
Both
of
these
subjects
were
also
just
released
from
prison
for
firearms
offenses.
He
also
learned
that
the
group
rented
three
firearms
and
brought
two
of
their
own
guns
to
the
range
to
practice,
with
one
being
a
FN
9-millimeter
handgun,
so
he
called
the
forensics
unit
out
there.
G
They
responded
out
there
collected
numerous
shell,
casings
and
other
evidence
as
well.
A
latent
print
from
one
of
the
rented
rifles
was
recovered
that
belonged
to
one
of
these
offenders,
and
another
print
was
on
a
immune,
ition
box
that
they
had
touched
a
day
after
this
investigation
started
a
17
year
old
boy
riding
his
bike
at
the
area
of
20th
Street
fairbanks,
just
minding
his
own
business
when
a
vehicle
drove
by
and
fired
three
shots
at
this
juvenile,
the
juvenile
was
struck
and
is
now
paralyzed.
G
The
shell
casings
recovered
in
that
particular
case,
were
entered
into
the
niden
system,
which
is
the
National
integrated
ballistic
information
network
and
found
to
match
the
casings
recovered
from
the
Plant
City
gun
range
and
the
FN
9-millimeter
taken
from
one
of
the
offender's.
Further
investigation
revealed
incriminating
statements
by
the
offenders.
Detective
McNamara
wrote
a
search
warrant
on
the
cellphone
and
Instagram
accounts
of
these
offenders,
which
provided
more
evidence
that
linked
them
to
that
particular
shooting
in
December.
G
He
was
able
to
charge
two
of
the
offenders
with
attempted
murder
for
that
shooting
of
the
juvenile
and
the
other
thing
that
was
charged
with
felony
possession.
This
investigation
also
led
to
two
other
shooting
investigations
that
we
are
currently
investigating
still
ongoing,
and
it's
because
of
this
type
of
work
that
Detective
McNamara
has
done
over
the
years.
The
last
several
years
in
the
banach
Crime
Bureau
his
hard
work
dedication
to
the
violent
crime,
fight
that
we
recognize
him
as
our
office
for
the
month
for
the
of
January.
So
we're
very
proud
of
him.
G
H
I
K
H
I
H
M
H
H
N
Good
morning
my
name
is
Mary
Lou
Bailey
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
Zoo
Tampa
Lowry
Park.
Thank
you
for
your
service.
It's
awesome,
I
learned
in
the
citizens
police
academy,
how
focused
the
police
are
and
how
you
guys
have
been
so
great
at
reducing
crime
rate
and
it's
the
kind
of
research
and
diligence
you
showed
that
really
exemplifies
the
whole
thing.
H
K
K
B
H
P
Thank
you
man.
We
just
wanted
to
present
you
a
certificate
for
a
therapy.
H
M
Q
Q
G
Morning
how
you
doing
morning
for
you,
you
know
the
traffic
is
really
backed
up
down
there.
It
is
pretty
bad
anyway
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
a
couple
different
clients.
One
of
them
is
crg
restaurants,
they're,
going
to
provide
you
with
a
gift
certificate
for
$50.
Another
is
yummy
house
trying
to
Bistro
$50
from
them.
Another
is
from
the
prestige,
portraits
they're,
going
to
provide
you
with
a
portrait
package
for
you
and
your
family
and
get
certificate
from
the
YMCA.
F
On
behalf
of
Tampa
City
Council
were
deeply
honored
that
you're
wearing
your
father's
number
number
five
and
we're
very
appreciative
what
you've
done
and
your
continued
service,
not
only
to
the
community
to
be
a
wonderful
young
man
and
the
chief
what
he
said
this
unbelievable.
What
you've
done
in
the
way
you
put
it
together,
their
true
spirit,
man,
individual.
That
really
believes
this
community
is
safer
because
of
what
you
do
with
all
the
police
officers
doing
in
the
city.
Thank
you.
K
K
Didn't
make
this
case
by
myself.
It
took
a
lot
of
hard
work
from
a
lot
of
people
to
put
this
case
together,
I
appreciate
being
recognized
for
it,
but
I
didn't
know
where
this
gun
Regina
was
officer
to
Bush
officer
Gustafson
officer
Simpkins
did
they're
the
one
that
pointed
me
in
that
direction.
When
I
got
there,
I
didn't
have
jurisdiction,
sergeant,
Moss
didn't
call
FDLE
I
can't
make
this
case
want
to
get
out
there
I'm
overwhelmed
by
the
amount
of
evidence.
K
On
my
squad
he
worked
with
FDLE
to
make
sure
the
comparisons
matched
up
for
the
ballistics
in
this
case,
so
that
we
could
make
the
case
and
then
the
Sheriff's
Office
ends
up
reaching
out
and
they
provided
a
critical
witness
in
the
case.
So
it
was
a
collaborative
effort
with
a
lot
of
different
people
that
led
to
this
case,
going
the
way
that
it
did
so
I'm
thankful
to
be
honored
here
today,
but
it
took
a
lot
more
to
me
to
make
this
case.
Thank
you.
K
A
Just
wanted
a
salute
and
commend
you
for
your
work
and
did
I
hear
that
both
your
parents
are
police
officers
or
they're,
both
retired
police
officer,
retired.
That's
great!
Well,
that's
an
N
word
their
parents
at
all
police
officers
or
no,
sir,
okay,
so
second
generation,
but
just
thank
you
for
all
that
you
do
you
know.
Police
officers
have
to
see
us
a
society
that
are
worse
and
then
you've
got
to
act
your
best
and
that's
a
really
tough
challenge,
and
you
really
seem
like
the
kind
of
person
who
pulls
that
off.
K
E
F
You,
mr.
chairman,
again
honorable
chairman
honorable
members,
Tampa
City
Council
my
pleasure
today
with
chief
LoCicero
to
make
the
presentation
to
the
fire
fire
of
the
quarter.
This
individual
has
done
some
outstanding
things
that
the
chief
quote
bring
up
when
he
comes
to
the
mic
in
a
second,
and
this
individual
is
just
one
of
many
in
the
fire
department
that
that's
created
once
a
quarter.
So
how
many
quarters,
rather
than
a
year,
that's
the
odds
that
he
has
for
getting
this.
So
it's
in.
K
Good
morning,
honorable,
chair
and
council,
thank
you
for
this
opportunity.
Today
we
come
before
you
today
to
recognize
captain
Ernest
McKee.
As
he's
been
selected
as
firefighter
of
the
quarter
for
2019,
captain
McKee
has
been
with
the
Department
for
over
14
years.
He
was
originally
assigned
to
West
Ham
Penn
Station
nine
for
four
years
before
transferring
to
station
six,
which
is
in
the
port
there.
K
His
love
for
the
fire
service
in
his
dedication
to
duty
led
him
to
be
specialist
on
the
hazardous
materials
team
which
led
Tim
to
seek
out
much
specified,
training
and
relating
to
protection
of
the
port
in
the
community
they
are
in.
He
was
promoted
to
driver
in
2011.
He
was
a
sign
again
continuing
his
hazmat
routes.
He
continued
his
courses
with
radio,
radiological
and
nuclear
site
surveying
in
Nevada,
advanced
biological,
chemical
incidents,
training
in
Utah
and
railcar
incidents
with
classes
out
in
Colorado.
K
So
he
is
well
versed
and
has
done
a
lot
to
make
this
community
safe.
Overall,
he
spent
seven
and
a
half
years
within
the
hazmat
division
and
because
of
his
duty
and
his
focus
in
2018,
he
was
promoted
to
captain
with
that
assignment.
He
was
signed
to
station
8
in
the
West
Shore
district,
not
a
bad
place,
to
go.
My
first
assignments,
a
very
good
area
to
work
in
where
he's
been
thus
far
in
the
past
year,
he's
distinguished
himself
as
a
an
outstanding
captain.
K
He
has
a
humble
and
deliberate
mannerism
about
him,
and,
after
all
of
that,
he
realized
that
one
of
the
things
that's
prevalent
with
that
area
is
you.
You
do
go
and
respond
on
a
whole
host
of
automobile
accidents
in
that
area.
The
traffic
has
changed
dramatically
over
time.
In
recently,
we
just
had
a
chance
to
talk,
and
he
was
surprised
at
how
much
traffic
and
population
and
building
structure
has
changed
in
that
district.
K
K
Obviously,
what
he
did
with
that
incident
was
to
take
that
to
a
to
another
level
and
he
sought
out
through
the
administration
and
on
a
much
work
on
his
own,
to
seek
out
a
separate
funding
source
and
to
seek
out
some
grants
for
some
improved
extrication
equipment
that
would
be
on
that
unit
because
it
goes
to
so
many
expecations,
so
through
the
auspices
of
Firehouse.
Subs
he
was
able
to
obtain
a
grant
for
fire
extrication
equipment
that
was
really
suitable
for
that
Engine
Company.
K
They
received
a
whole
suit
of
extrication
equipment,
close
to
$30,000
worth
of
education
equipment
that
would
that
would
be
of
tremendous
value
to
that
community
and
in
the
West
Shore
area.
You
know
the
allegiance
that
he
has
shown
and
the
honor
to
the
department
really
should
be
recognized
and
that's
why
we're
here
today
throughout
his
career,
he
is,
he
has
proven
himself
again
and
again.
H
H
H
H
Mora,
council
might
MacArthur
steps
on
service.
Captain.
Congratulations
on
self
well
done
appreciate
it.
It's
amazing
I
mean
every
quarter.
We
come
in
here
and
support
the
Brotherhood
just
amazing
that
the
work
you
guys
do
for
our
community
and
we
can't
thank
you
enough.
We're
so
glad
to
be
a
part
of
everything
you
guys
do
so
on
behalf.
H
H
Morning,
cows,
again
P
for
every
Busch
Gardens
captain.
Thank
you
for
all
you
do.
It's
like
Mike
said
it's
just
incredible.
The
every.
C
M
H
G
N
Good
morning,
Mary
Bailey
here
on
behalf
of
Z
Tampa,
Highway
Park,
congratulations
and
thank
you
so
much
for
all
of
your
service
and
for
all
of
you
to
support
here
and
all
the
great
work
you
all
do
and
I
appreciate
the
initiative.
You
took
to
improve
the
process
and
the
technology
and
the
tools
that's
awesome,
enjoy
yourself
all
year.
Long
is
New
Tampa,
that's
a
family
membership
and
it
also
comes
with
the
special
events
and
check
out
some
of
our
behind
the
scenes
tours.
You
can
like
Peter
rhino
or
help
paedon
Aldabra
tortoises.
G
Steve
McClean
Ian.
First,
let
me
just
say
that
a
few
years
ago
we
had
an
extrication
rodeo,
where
we
invited
the
actually
Tampa
Fire
Rescue,
invited
area
fire
departments
to
compete
with
other
fire
departments
in
within
a
Tampa
Bay
region,
and
your
your
dedication
is
sort
of
inspired
me
to
go
and
ask
to
see
if
we
can't
reinstitute
that
that
rodeo
to
help
improve
the
skills
of
the
folks
who
are
out
there.
So
we'll
see
what
happens
with
that
on
behalf
of
the
Cheetahs
Restaurant
Group.
H
F
The
chief
chief,
LoCicero
and
campus
city
council
and
all
the
citizens
of
the
city
of
Tampa
very
grateful
for
it.
You've
done
our
doing
and
will
continue
to
do
we're
very
appreciative
of
everything
that
was
said
about
you
and
your
accommodation
captain
McKee.
Thank
you
very
much
for
everything.
Thank
you,
sir
appreciate.
H
H
H
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
thank
knowledge,
a
few
people,
the
mayor
Buckhorn,
who
I
don't
see
here
but
I'd
like
to
thank
him,
City
Council
members.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
allowing
this
recognition
award
to
be
heard
here
today.
Thank
you
to
chief
LoCicero
and
the
executive
staff
for
your
guidance
and
leadership
in
the
department.
H
H
H
I
call
Seminole
Heights
a
district
of
culinary
art,
because
there's
food
that
you
can
get
up
in
that
area
that
you
can't
find
anywhere
else
in
Tampa
and
people
know
that,
because
there
are
so
many
folks
that
come
from
out
of
town
to
visit
these
locations,
they've
won
numerous
awards
have
been
acknowledged.
Finalists
for
the
James
Beard
Award,
which
is
huge
for
those
of
you
that
know,
I
called
it
like
the
the
Oscars
of
the
of
the
restaurant
business.
H
So
it's
a
big
deal
and
they've
brought
a
lot
of
positive
attention
to
the
city
and
to
the
neighborhood
and
mister
Baker
will
soon
be
retiring
and
we
want
to
give
them
he
and
Michelle.
This
commendation
for
their
many
years
of
hard
work
to
improve
this
area
and
really
put
Seminole
Heights
in
a
positive
spotlight.
So
the
table-
City
Council
recognizing
bestows,
is
commendation,
Michelle
and
Greg
Baker
for
their
outstanding,
culinary
contributions
and
dedication
to
our
community.
H
The
Baker's
opened
the
refinery
in
2010
and
historic
symbol
heights
and,
through
their
pioneering
spirits,
change
the
culinary
landscape
of
the
city.
Not
only
have
the
Baker's
up
the
dining
experience
game
in
Tampa,
they
are
also
known
for
resurrecting
nearly
lost
Florida
ingredients
and
cooking
techniques
and
are
avid
defenders
of
farm
worker
rights
and
policy
reform,
Greg
and
Michele.
We
are
immensely
proud
of
all
you've
accomplished.
We
know
that.
Well,
this
is
the
end
of
a
chapter.
This
is
definitely
not
the
end
of
a
book.
H
N
A
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
you
have
the
Florida
Department
of
Transportation
here
to
speak
on
the
status
of
Bush
Boulevard,
and
we
thank
you
guys
for
being
here
today.
L
Right
good
morning,
my
name
is
a
Brian
Schroyer
with
the
Florida
Department
transportation,
the
planning
and
environmental
office
I'm
here
to
present
some
information
on
the
West
Bush
Boulevard
corridor
study
that
was
been
taking
place.
The
past
almost
two
years
now
I'm,
not
sure
how
we
go
to
the
next
slide.
E
L
To
acknowledge
a
lot
of
stakeholders
and
people
who
are
part
of
the
the
Advisory
groups
that
we
put
together
to
discuss
the
issues
along
the
corridor
councilman
Vieira
this
is,
it
was
a
city
guest.
We
had
city
of
Tampa
plan,
Hillsborough,
County,
Bruce,
Gardens,
Hillsborough,
County,
School
Boards,
which
included
the
transportation
offices
and
the
principal's
who
had
also
helped
out
fire
rescue
and
Hart.
We
had
some
other
Sierra
Club
members,
innovation,
Alliance
and
the
black
Tampa
black
Chamber
of
Commerce.
There
was
included
in
our
membership
a
little
bit
about
the
West
Bush
Boulevard.
L
We
were
looking
at
three
point
three
miles
along
Boulevard
Dale
Mabry
over
to
Nebraska
Avenue.
It's
both
within
the
city
of
Tampa
and
unincorporated
Hillsborough
County.
Within
that
corridor
study
we
also
had
a
resurfacing
project
that
was
in
between
Armenia
and
Florida
Avenue.
That
resurfacing
project
was
going
on
designed.
At
the
same
time,
the
study
was
happening.
The
resurfacing
was
gonna,
take
a
look
at
existing
issues
and
safety
issues
out.
There
was
a
lot
well
as
resurfacing
the
pavement.
L
What
we
did
during
the
study.
We
had
a
innovative
project
here
because
it
was
not
only
just
a
corridor
study,
it
involved
a
three-hour
resurfacing
project
and
after
the
study
was
completed,
it
involved
another
design
that
was
urban
corridor
improvement
designs.
That
would
take
what
happened
and
we
found
out
during
the
study
and
create
another
design
that
we
moved
towards
the
construction.
We
used
some
different
type
of
public
outreach.
We
used
some
innovation
like
the
project
website,
some
social
media.
L
We
had
a
web
map
that
would
allow
users
to
go
in
and
leave
comments
at
specific
locations
and
it
helped
out
immensely.
We
created
workshops
and
public
project
advisory
groups
that
provided
information
from
the
stakeholders
and
residents
in
the
area
about
the
issues
on
the
roadway
and
what
they
would
like
to
see
happen
to
the
road.
These
help
create
the
alternatives
that
were
developed
as
part
of
the
study
and
move
into
design.
L
We
had
a
lot
of
issues
out.
There
were
safety,
and-
and
that
was
what
really
came
out
with
the
public
involvement.
So
we
tried
to
push
the
changes
that
we're
looking
at
doing
out
there,
trying
to
make
this
a
different
type
of
roadway
address
a
lot
of
the
issues,
since
there
are
so
many
schools
and
pedestrians
out
there.
L
So
we
started
with
a
field
review.
We
went
out
and
walked
the
corridor
from
India
and
looked
at
the
issues,
and
we
mainly
saw
it
was
the
section
between
Armenia
and
Florida
had
some
sidewalk
gaps
out
there,
which
has
been
erased
and
several
other
projects.
So
we
looked
at
sidewalk
gap
issues
we
saw
there
was
no
bike
lanes
along
the
whole
corridor
length
and
there
was
no
mid-block
crossings
for
the
amount
of
pedestrian
and
bike
traffic
out
there
and
long
distances
in
between.
L
L
He
the
quarter
has
three
bus
routes
running
along
the
corridor,
15
stops
and
he
showing
along
the
corridor.
Also
so
I
adds
a
lot
of
pedestrian
traffic
into
there.
A
lot
of
the
major
pedestrian
movements
are
north-south
across
the
corridor
ahead
at
north
boulevard,
where
the
schools
are
located.
So
we've
had
a
lot
of
issues
with
pedestrian
activities
and
wanted
to
really
address
those
bicycle
traffic
was
the
same.
A
lot
of
schools.
Students
are
riding
the
bikes
through
school,
so
we
looked
at
that
information
too
and
see
how
we
could
dress
this.
L
As
I
said,
the
feedback
we
got
from
the
public
and
stakeholders
in
the
project
advisory
group
we
had
was
safety
was
the
number-one
issue
along
with
multimodal
access,
and
they
wanted
to
see
what
changes
could
be
enacted
out
there.
So
we've
taken
that,
along
with
the
Ricci
mapping
and
to
find
out
where
these
exact
locations
are
having
issues,
and
we
tried
to
formulate
some
alternatives
that
will
address
the
issues
in
the
short
term
and
also
what
needed
to
be
done
in
long
term
to
address
traffic
congestion
out
there.
L
So,
right
now,
prior
to
even
getting
the
resurfacing
project
out,
our
traffic
operations
office
has
already
enacted
some
work
out.
There
they've
taken
the
signal
at
north
boulevard
and
bush,
where
the
Chamberlin
high
school
is
and
Adams
middle
up
further
off
the
rail.
They
changed.
The
signal
timing
to
add,
protect
the
left
turn
lane
for
the
northbound
southbound
drivers.
L
So
those
are
things
that
are
being
enacted
right
now.
What
we're
also
doing
is
the
three-hour
project
that
will
be
starting
construction
in
late
spring.
That
said,
they're
gonna
address
resurfacing
and
some
safety
issues
that
are
going
to
be
needed.
Now
we
have
a
second
design
that
is
being
scoped
right.
Now
it's
going
to
take
the
alternatives
from
the
corridor
study
and
we're
looking
at
how
to
really
enact
that
design
to
meet
all
the
needs
of
the
issues
that
are
brought
up
during
a
study
that
design
is
funded.
L
Like
I
said
we're
scoping
it
now
Construction
is
not
funded.
Once
we
have
a
good
concept
of
what
the
construction
project
will
be,
then
we
can
look
at
funding
for
that.
That
project
that
which
I
just
talked
about
will
be
from
dario
dale
mabry
to
Nebraska
Avenue
and
that's
number
10
on
the
MPO
priority
list
right
now.
L
Other
projects
that
are
happening
at
same
time,
Armenia,
intersection
at
Busch,
is
being
redone
and
that's
a
City
Tampa
job
Florida
Avenue
has
some
rail
safety
improvements
and
do
left
turns
are
being
looked
at
to
access,
northbound
and
southbound
I-275,
so
they're,
adding
one
additional
left
turn
lanes
at
each
one
of
those
ramps.
That's
in
a
future
waiting
on
funding
issue
for
that
one
innovation
has
Alliance,
has
some
innovation
Gateway
projects
that
they're
looking
at
underneath
275.
L
L
The
five
lanes
section
from
Armenia
to
North
Boulevard
we're
looking
at
changing
those
median
accesses
to
add
median
Highlands.
We
had
a
lot
of
issues
with
people
traveling
the
lane.
Instead
of
using
as
a
turn
lane,
we
were
looking
at
proposing
a
signalized
crosswalk
at
North.
Roan
circle,
there's
a
lot
of
pedestrian
activity
and
that
will
help
break
up
the
road.
That's
a
long
length
of
crossing
that
would
be
needed.
We
had
issues
at
North
oliso.
L
Some
additional
things
that
were
brought
up
there
in
a
study
is
there's
a
sidewalk
gap
missing
by
the
library
at
North
Boulevard.
As
it
goes
over
the
tracks
heading
north.
We
will
work
with
the
city
to
possibly
joint
add
that
into
the
next
construction
project
that
could
address
that
further
along
West
Bush,
underneath
in
west
of
dale
mabry
there's
a
sidewalk
gap.
So
we've
talked
with
the
county
on
incorporating
on
into
another
project
and
some
of
the
work
to
do
signal
interconnect
to
help
manage
speed
along
the
corridor
and
help
consume
the
people.
L
L
But
I've
heerd
I
was
a
examples.
The
the
roadway
corridors
broken
up
in
the
four
sections
so
till
maybe
to
Armenia
Avenue
at
the
top.
You
can
see
an
existing
typical
section.
We
have
the
CSX
track
on
the
south
side
of
the
roadway
and
the
bottom
graphic
is
a
proposed
typical
section.
It
addresses
the
issues
that
we
have
found
out
there
and
helps
with
speed
management.
L
We're
looking
at
reducing
language,
sout
they're,
adding
medians
to
help
with
the
left
turns
that
are
in
some
of
the
the
developments
that
are
having
a
white
Trout
Lake
is
a
new
apartment,
complex,
that's
coming
in!
So
we're
looking
at
hoping
with
that
to
just
section
north
termini
Boulevard
is
the
five
line
section
I
was
talking
about.
It
has
the
sidewalk
gaps
on
the
south
side,
we're
looking
to
acquire?
Why
our
way
to
fill
those?
L
L
That
congestion
is
blocking
the
through
traffic,
as
people
are
trying
to
make
the
left
so
that
one
addresses
all
those
issues.
The
last
section
is
North
Avenue,
North,
Florida
Avenue
to
the
north
Nebraska.
This
runs
under
275,
as
I
said
they
are
going
to
add
in
the
dual
left
in
the
future,
so
there
isn't
a
whole
lot
more.
We
can
do
but
add
some
safety
features
and
operation
here
than
not
with
that
and
I'm,
not
sure.
That's
all
I
have
on
this
having
questions
Thank.
A
You
mr.
chair
and
thank
you
very
much
for
your
detailed
presentation
in
your
work
on
this
into
cooperation
and
the
community
engagement
that
you
all
have
done.
We
you've
always
been
a
partner
with
me
on
issues
like
bush,
Boulevard
and
I
greatly
appreciate
that,
obviously,
what
I
want
to
continue
to
see
with
West
Bush
Boulevard
Oliver
Bush
Boulevard,
really
is
a
sense
of
urgency.
You
know
between
the
year
2010
in
2016,
there
were
about
a
hundred
and
twenty
serious
crashes,
including
death,
serious
injuries
in
this
area.
You'd
spoke
of
Chamberlain
high
school.
A
You
know
the
I've
been
working
with
a
school
board,
member
Cyndi
Stewart
and
the
principal
there
to
try
to
get
education
for
students
in
terms
of
using
crosswalks
working
with
the
city
to
get
better
crosswalks
there
for
the
Chamberlain
area.
We
know
the
death
I
think
it
was
happened
in
2016
of
the
young
woman
elects
Alexis
Miranda,
whose
mother
Valerie
Jones
has
been
a
great
activist
for
pedestrian
and
bicyclist
safety,
particularly
in
that
area,
because
it
it's
it's
something.
That's
obviously
very,
very
personal
to
her.
When
you
take
a
look
at
the
larger
Bush
area.
A
The
big
challenge
is
that
that
is
supposed
to
serve
as
our
gateway
to
one
of
the
most
invigorating
and
innovative
parts
of
the
city
of
Tampa,
the
Busch
Boulevard
and
Fowler
area,
where
you
have
the
University
of
South
Florida,
founder
of
Florida
hospital,
the
VA
just
outside
of
the
city
limits,
Moffitt,
Shriners,
etc,
etc.
But
yet
it
really
serves
as
a
gateway
to
neglect.
Busch
Boulevard,
in
particular,
is
an
area
that
I
really
believe
has
been
effectively
abandoned
by
local
government.
A
Over
the
last
few
years,
Fowler
has
received
some
attention,
which
is
marvelous,
but
probably
because
it's
close
proximity
to
some
of
these
stakeholders,
but
Busch
Boulevard,
all
throughout,
has
just
been
abandoned.
I've
seen
it
because
I
grew
up
in
Temple
Terrace
when
you
get
closer
to
Temple
Terrace.
A
You
still
got
the
sign
there,
the
Kmart
close
to
the
temple,
Terrace
and
Temple
Terrace
abandoned
I,
don't
know,
what's
gonna
happen
with
that,
etc,
but
we've
certainly
seen
that
tent
Bush
Boulevard
has
also
become
a
Speedway.
The
speed
limit
in
many
of
those
areas
is
45
miles
per
hour.
People
go
55
and
much
higher
in
this
era,
where
you
have
so
many
neighborhoods
and
businesses
frequented
by
kids
and
families.
A
It's
a
speedway
I'd
really
like
to
see
design
occur
in
in
certain
sections,
so
we
can
get
a
lower
speed
limit
there,
because
we
know
the
lower
speed
limits.
Obviously
save
lives
and
I
would
encourage
you
all
to
continue
to
look
at
that
something
that
I
was
also
encouraged
by
was
again
education
on
crosswalks
Chamberlain
high
school.
Again,
that's
certainly
something
we
have
to
continue
to
take
a
look
at
something
that
really
should
hopefully
improve
this
area.
Is
the
offer
transportation
money
you
know?
A
I
was
such
a
strong
supporter
of
all
four
transportation
when
it
was
coming
up
for
a
vote
because
of
areas
like
Busch
Boulevard.
It's
because
of
areas
like
Busch
Boulevard
that
we
pushed
for
all
for
transportation
areas
that
have
been
forgotten
areas
that
serve
now
as
gateways
to
neglect
areas
that
have
been
abandoned
can
now
get
the
proper
respect
and
funding
the
day
deserve,
and
I
think
that
certainly
Busch
Boulevard
is
a
really
really
big
part
of
that.
A
So
I
I
just
wanted
to
commend
you
all
for
your
work
and
I
asked
you
all
to
come
here,
because
this
is
again
such
a
huge
part
of
our
city
and
community,
and
yet
it
always
gets
ignored.
It's
it's.
It's
become
a
a
real
acute
crisis
for
a
lot
of
the
families
living
out
there
who
have
to
deal
with
the
constant
speeding,
the
constant
abandonment
and,
just
frankly,
the
lack
of
respect
whenever
it
comes
for
folks
living
there.
So
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
for
your
work.
Thank.
P
I
L
L
I
I
An
example
you
know
there
is
a
requirement
in
the
dollars
that
we
have
to
spend
for
fixed
guideway
presentation,
I
see
that
you're
using
some
of
the
median
and
taking
out
some
of
those
turn
lanes
that
are
open.
As
you
said,
they
they
become.
You
know
a
separate
lane
that
people
tend
to
use
I
mean
there's
possibility
that
we
could
redesign
the
road
in
order
to
provide
a
dedicated
lane
for
transit
right.
L
I
And
the
reason
I'm
asking
is
because
you're
talking
about
acquiring,
you
know
pieces
of
land
in
order
to
do
some
sidewalks
right.
Obviously,
the
acquisition
can
be
used
for
some
of
the
transit
options,
because
if
we
have
a
dedicated
Lane,
it
makes
it
easier
for
and
I
think
you
had
mentioned
the
number
of
stops
that
are
along
Bush
Boulevard.
That's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
users
of
transit
there.
It
would
make
it
easier
for
them
to
get.
You
know
an
east-to-west.
I
You
know
direction
for
them
to
go
wherever
they're
going,
be
able
to
provide
more
buses,
have
a
bus
trip
and
transit
on
there
and
get
frequency
a
lot
more,
especially
with
the
dollars
that
are
gonna
be
coming
in
and
I
mean,
especially
because
it's
such
a
well-traveled
place.
You
do
have
a
school
of
the
air.
You
do
have
a
lot
of
small
businesses
along
that
area.
It
would
be
I
think
helpful
if
we
started
to
look
at
that.
Obviously
you
know
you
did
this.
I
You
started
this
a
year
and
a
half
almost
two
years
ago
now
that
things
have
changed
and
conditions
have
changed.
I
would
suggest
that
you
probably
go
back
dust
these
off
a
little
bit
and
they're,
not
that
old,
I'm
just
kidding
but
I.
You
know
and
be
able
to
work
with
heart
and
the
county
in
the
city
in
order
to
try
and
put
some
real
efforts
towards
transit
right
and.
L
What
I
did
show
is
the
near-term
things
that
we
can
address
now
in
this
new
design,
starting
we
do
have
long
term
but,
like
I,
said
we're
to
incorporate
some
transit
features
by
buying
additional
right
away.
That
would
take
some
more
PGE
processes
to
have
to
so
it
isn't
out
of
our
mind,
it's
just
we're
hitting
stages
of
it
now
and
as
things
change
we'll
address
those
does
it
come
I.
I
Just
hate
to
part
I
just
hate
for
you
to
re-engineer
the
the
road,
then
reenter
your
engineered
again,
because
long-range
is
a
little
bit
different.
Now
because
we
do
have
dollars
or
we're
supposed
to
have
dollars.
I
should
say
into
the
court
system
is
completely
done
with
it,
but
you
know
we'll
be
able
to
work
a
little
bit
quicker
in
terms
of
providing
dollars
in
order
to
go
forward
on
some
of
these
projects
that
can
really
re-engineer
the
road
and
do
something
different
than
what
we
were
used
to.
I
I
know
you're
constrained
by
dollars
just
as
much
as
we
are,
but
now
I
think
we
have
a
lot
better
opportunity
to
cooperate
with
each
other
and
to
really
read
to
redesign
the
road
to
provide
all
types
of
transportation
and
not
just
you're,
not
just
single
vehicle.
So
I
appreciate
it.
I
think
that
there's
some
opportunities
here
and
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
work
together,
and
although
all
those
member
entities
part
City
County,
and
you
often
try
to
figure
out
how
we
can
make
this
a
better
Road
for.
L
I
L
E
K
R
Vint
is
not
Tampa.
Florida
I
want
to
talk
a
property
core
and
wearing
a
hoodie
today,
because
when
white
people
to
know,
and
especially
the
police
and
just
general
white
citizens
out
there,
it's
okay
for
black
people
to
dress
like
this
we're
not
terrorists,
we're
not
gangsters,
we're
not
thugs,
we're
not
people
to
be
shot
at
we're,
not
people
feed
a
call
to
pull
the
Isan
and
do
all
these
other
things.
We
dress
like
this
in
the
summertime
in
the
wintertime.
We
dress
like
this
because
we
feel
we
can
dress
like
this.
R
That's
part
of
the
decoy
and
part
of
the
information
that
you
can't
address
someone
personally
where
they
ever
came
up
with
that
idea
from
it's
just
a
dictatorial
process
by
which
they
say
you
cannot
speak
to
or
look
at
the
king
or
the
queen.
That's
all
that
is
nothing
more,
nothing
less.
If
you
come
to
address
something,
that's
going
on
in
your
district,
if
you
come
to
call
out
your
city,
council
person,
man
or
woman,
how
do
you
do
so?
R
You're
limited
you're,
limiting
people,
First
Amendment
constitutional
rights,
just
to
have
three
minutes
citizens
who
take
three
minutes
to
come
here
and
speak,
and
then
you
limit
them
at
that.
But
I
said
it
before
I'll
say
it
again
and
I
said
right
now:
it's
a
stupid,
racist
scary
city
council,
every
last
one
of
you
up
there
you
come
here
every
month,
month
after
month,
you
give
police
awards
for
what
nothing
solve.
Some
unsolved
murders
solve
some
of
that
and
then
come
down
here
and
give
an
award
for
that.
R
You
come
and
you
give
firefighters
awards
for
what
nothing
absolutely
positively,
nothing
people
on
taxpayers
dollars,
get
paid
and
they're
getting
an
award
for
that.
The
general
common
citizen,
man,
woman
and
child
have
to
get
up
and
go
to
work
every
single
day
and
that's
what
we
do
solve
some
of
the
gentrification
fires,
that's
going
on
where
they
burn
in
black
people.
Out
of
our
communities,
and
here
we
just
heard
this
man
came
and
talked
from
Florida
Department
of
Transportation
and
what
he
talks
about
a
racist
situation
from
bush
and
Nebraska.
R
He
went
the
other
way,
but
all
the
accidents
and
all
the
car
violations
take
place
going
the
other
way
through
a
black
neighborhood
and
that's
what
this
City
Council
allowed.
It's
a
stupid,
racist
city,
council
plain
and
simple
and
nothing
gets
solved
and
nothing
gets
resolved
and
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
when
you
hear
the
words
extermination
when
you
get
words.
R
Genocide
when
you
hear
the
words
ethnic
cleansing,
when
you
hear
those
words
apartheid,
there
are
sultan
words,
but
the
words
that's
used
for
African
people
today
in
2019
is
d'etre
fication
and
it's
a
nasty
word
and
it's
used
against
us
all
the
time-
and
this
is
subdued
nothing
City,
Council
and
y'all
need
to
start
doing
something
billion
dollar
budget
and
nothing
happens-
billion
dollar
deficit.
That's
where
we're
at.
H
E
H
Because
the
last
time
I
come
here
want
to
read
some
scripture,
y'all
told
me
I,
couldn't
do
it
I'm
coming
out
of
the
book
of
Song
37th
division
of
song?
It's
a
fret
not
thyself
because
of
evildoers,
neither
diabete
the
enemies
against
the
worker
of
iniquity,
but
they
shall
soon
be
cut
down
like
the
grass
and
will
at
the
green
herd,
trust
in
the
Lord
and
do
good
so
shall
dwell
in
the
land
and
Verity.
That
shall
be
fair.
H
That's
the
life
and
I
judgment
as
the
noonday
rest
in
the
Lord
and
wait
patiently
for
him
fret
not
thyself
because
of
who
prosper
in
its
way
because
of
the
man
who
bringeth
wicked
device
to
pass
cease
from
anger,
forsake
wrath,
fret,
not
thyself
to
it,
do
any
wise
to
do
evil
and
the
reason
I'm
reading.
This
is
scripted
to
yell
because
we're
now
in
the
United
States
400
years
of
slavery
when
they
bought
slaves
from
Africa,
hidden,
United
States.
H
It
never
been
no
justice
for
black
millions
of
black
womens
of
children,
bangs
a
spear
going
on
saying.
In
fact
it
didn't
work.
So
the
Ku
Klux
Klan
took
off
their
white
hood
and
put
on
police
uniform
and
became
judges
lawyers,
and
they
think
they
can
spread
us
all
the
days
of
our
life
I,
don't
think
so.
We
got
the
Lord
on
our
side,
I
believe
in
Jesus
Christ,
the
eightieth
just
the
other
day
in
secret,
kill
five
beautiful
women.
What
for
no
reason
at
all?
Only
because
he's
a
atheist,
it
did.
H
Let
me
tell
y'all
something:
there's
a
man
that
killed
a
lot
of
people
and
he
was
elated
and
network
that
I
got
to
tell
you
eight
years
basis
of
murder.
It's
not
that
they
don't
believe
in
Jesus
Christ.
They
hate
God
Almighty
for
his
creation,
and
that's
why
I'm
reading
it's
a
scripture
to
you
all
and
y'all
gotta
pay
attention
to
it,
because
God's
judgment
gonna
come
upon
all
of
us
one
day.
Sooner
later,
when
I
walk
out
here
today,
y'all
better
repent
of
your
sin.
H
E
P
P
Yeah
I
too,
was
stuck
in
the
traffic
this
morning
and
just
got
here
a
few
minutes
ago.
So
barely
got
here
on
time
and
but
then
we'll
move
into
the
wastewater
master
plans,
which
is
the
also
has
two
master
plans
of
the
pipeline
system
and
the
treatment
plan,
and
then
that
will
be
followed
up
by
a
presentation
from
our
CFO
Sonya
little,
who
will
go
through
three
funding
scenarios
for
consideration
and
then
we'll
follow
that
with
a
question
and
answer
degree.
P
So
I
don't
have
pictures
of
this
morning
break
so
I'll
pull
up
pictures
from
previous
breaks,
both
the
wastewater
side
and
the
water
side.
The
first
picture
is
a
large
force
main
break
in
front
of
one
of
our
master
pumping
stations
on
130
First
Avenue.
The
second
picture
is
a
typical
wastewater
cave-in.
This
one
is
just
north
of
Kennedy
Boulevard
on
Armenia,
and
you
see
these
throughout
the
city.
The.
P
P
Our
total
water
and
wastewater
CIP
needs
over
the
next
20
years,
and
that's
shown
in
orange
or
in
yellow
on
your
on
your
picture
up
there,
and
then
the
blue
shows
what
we
have
funded
starting
in
2016
and
can
fund
using
existing
available
resources.
There
are
reserves,
while
maintaining
reserves
in
accordance
with
our
internal
policies
and,
as
you
can
see,
we
have
a
spike
this
year
in
2019
and
that
will
be
the
last
major
expenditure
for
CIPS
using
existing
reserves
at
that
point,
we're
down
to
a
level
of
reserves
for
bond
coverage
and
emergencies.
P
P
This
is
happens
to
be
a
wastewater
example
and
in
those
three
years
those
are
our
reactive
costs
to
respond
to
the
cave-ins
that
you
saw
earlier
to
respond
to
waste
water,
overflows
and
and
things
of
that
nature.
So,
but
this
applies
to
the
water
department
as
well.
Reactive
costs
continue
to
rise.
The
these.
P
J
Proverbially
from
this
is
the
tip
of
the
iceberg,
because
this
is
only
this
is
only
the
dollars
forget
about
the
damage
that
that
is,
you
know
totally
not
recoverable,
which
is
the
dumping
of
waste
water
into
the
into
the
bay
and
into
our
drinking
water
supply
I
mean
that
that's
a
that's
a
much
larger
unquantifiable
cost.
Isn't
it
yes,.
P
Yes,
it
is,
and
yes,
the
environmental
costs
are
not
quantifiable.
When
I
should
the
picture
I
showed
you
earlier
of
the
water
getting
into
the
houses
that
is
quantifiable
and
significant,
especially
to
those
homeowners,
the
environmental
cost
would
be
factored
into
what
the
consent
order
would
be
from
our
regulators.
P
P
We
need
I
think
that
underscores
that
we
need
to
try
to
replace
and
rehabilitate
pipelines
before
they
start
caving
in
you
know
before
they
start
failing
in
water
main
breaks.
We
need
to
catch
up
and
become
more
proactive,
which
will
help,
but
will
be
a
there'll,
be
a
period
of
time
where
we're
both
catching
up
and
reacting
until
we
get
to
that
point
to
where
we're
starting
to
get
caught
up
and
can
get
ahead.
P
I
The
the
graphic
before
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I
get
I'm
correct
about
this.
You've
got
the
the
blue
symbol
here
that
can
that
says
available
for
capital
projects
at
existing
rates
that
and
then
you
also
were
talking
about
the
reserves.
Does
that
number
include
the
reserves
that
you're
showing
here
or
not?
It.
P
I
Q
P
I
No
I'm
just
curious
because
the
numbers
a
little
confusing
in
terms
of
what
you
mean
in
terms
of
capital
cost
because
we're
not
using
we're
not
using
reserves
totally
for
capital
costs
correct
and
that's,
and
so
that's
what
makes
it
a
little
bit
confusing
because
you're
talking
about
two
different
things,
but
about
the
capital
costs
themselves.
Reserves
are
important
in
order
for
us
to
continue
to
do
the
things
within.
You
know
the
enterprise
fund
in
order
to
get
some
dollars
out
there,
but
it's
not
necessarily
monies
that
are
used
directly
for
all
the
time.
I
P
I
P
P
Okay,
so
back
and
I'll
wrap
this
up.
Basically,
we
need
to
start
to
catch
up
become
more
proactive.
This
problem
is
not
going
away
and
it's
getting
worse
every
year
what
we
experienced
this
morning
is
going
to
happen
more
and
more
often,
you
saw
the
one
downtown
that
created
gridlock,
the
water
main
break
downtown,
but
we
have
30
breaks
around
the
city
right
now
in
various
stages
of
repair
and
restoration
that
we're
we're
nursing.
If
you
will
so
this
is
going
to
continue
to
get
worse.
P
M
C
As
as
Brad
mentioned,
we
did
two
master
plans
starting
a
just
a
couple
years
ago
we
started
the
process,
one
for
the
water
treatment
facility
and
the
other
for
the
distribution
system
for
the
water
treatment
facility.
The
process
started
with
a
detailed
assessment
of
thousands
of
pieces
of
our
equipment,
evaluations
of
our
treatment
processes.
We
did
benchmarking
to
look
at
how
well
we
were
doing
with
our
treatment
facility
could
as
compared
to
other
similar
treatment
facilities
in
the
state
and
throughout
the
country
we
were
trying
to
determine.
C
Are
we
getting
the
most
out
of
what
we
have
so
after
evaluating
all
that
we
look
at
different
internal
alternatives
for
repairing
and
replacing
infrastructure,
as
well
as
expanding
the
plant
to
deal
with
a
dish
and
in
the
future,
so
we
identified
our
needs.
We
we
prioritize
the
different
projects.
We
developed
construction
phasing
and
cost
estimates.
C
This
slide
shows
the
capacity
of
the
drinking
water
treatment
plant
right
now,
we're
in
the
range
of
about
110
to
115
million
gallons
per
day
and
in
2032.
We're
gonna
need
roughly
a
hundred
and
thirty-four
and
really
were
out
of
2040.
We're
gonna
need
something
close
to
a
hundred
forty
million
gallons
a
day.
So
we
definitely
need
to
expand
the
facility
as
we're
as
well
as
replace
old
infrastructure.
C
This
slide
shows
the
approach
to
the
master
planning
for
the
distribution
system.
The
pipes
are
buried
and
fixed.
Most
of
the
fixtures.
Are
you
can't
get
to
so
how
we
approached
it
was
looking
at
the
probability
of
failure,
which
includes
the
number
of
breaks
that
we've
had
on
each
segment
of
pipe
the
remaining
life
and
each
segment
of
pipe
and
the
type
of
soil
that
those
pipes
are
in
the
percentage
numbers.
There
show
the
weighting
factor
that
was
used
in
the
overall
the
weight
of
each
of
those
factors.
In
that
category.
C
We
also
looked
at
the
consequence
of
failure.
Well,
you
know
what
would
happen
if,
if
a
pipe
failed
going
to
a
hospital,
what
would
happen
if
it
failed
in
a
population
that,
where
there's
a
lot
of
population
density,
what
would
happen
if
it
happened
under
a
major
of
thoroughfare?
So
all
those
factors
went
into
evaluating
each
segment
of
pipe
in
our
distribution
system
and
determining
when
they
need
to
be
replaced
and
how
much
it
would
take
to
replace
each
segment
of
pipe
chair.
I
If
I
could
chuck
when
you're
talking
about
probability
of
failure,
when
you
go
brakes
on
individual
pipes
and
in
remaining
life
and
an
aggressive
soil
area,
what
are
you
talking
about
when
you
talk
about
brakes
on
individual
pipes,
meaning
the
age
of
a
pipe
that
you
know
about
in
particular
areas
and
the
probability
of
failure
because
of
their
age?
Well,
there.
C
There
were
three
factors
we
considered
and
the
number
of
breaks
main
breaks.
We
log
it,
we
record
it
we
so
we
know
how
many
times
we
have
the
main
break
on
a
section
of
pipe
and
the
length
of
time
between
each
main
breaks.
So
that's
that's
one
factor
we
looked
at
then.
We
also
look
at
the
age
of
the
pipe,
because
age
is
another
factor
in
whether
or
not
a
pipe
is
going
to
fail.
I
have
another
slide
later
on
that
I
want
to
show
that
really
addresses
the
age
of
pipe
in
our
system.
C
I
C
Are
other
reasons
the
the
main
break
that
Brad
showed
earlier
on
Rome,
for
instance,
the
the
mega
lug
fitting,
if
it
hadn't
have
been
over
tightened
and
caused
a
micro
crack
that
overtime
expanded
that
could
have.
So
if
you
had
a
lot
a
segment
of
pipe
where
that
was
put
in
at
the
same
time
that
had
a
lot
of
those
same
mega
lugs
that
were
over
tighten
likelihood
of
that
failure
is
greater,
got.
I
It
okay,
that
explains
a
little
bit
better
I
appreciate
that
you
know
the
way
you
said
it
can
seem
like
a
circular
argument.
There
I
wasn't
sure
I
was
getting
what
you
were
trying
to
say
so,
I
appreciate
that
so
and
then
the
other
thing
on
the
remaining
life
when
you
say
45%,
that
means
that
a
pipe
that
is
less
than
30
years
old,
40
years
old.
What
are
we
talking
about?
The.
C
C
On
the
next
slide
here,
this
slide
has
a
lot
of
statistics
on
it,
but
what
I
really
want
to
focus
on
is
all
these
blue
lines
represent
pipe
lines
and
they're
all
in
our
streets
throughout
the
city.
The
the
last
statistic
is
the
most
important
thing,
I
think
on
this
slide.
Ninety-Eight
percent
of
this
you
can't
see
it's
it's
buried,
and
so
we,
if
we
replace
this
you're,
not
gonna,
see
much
of
a
difference
and
it's
gonna
cost
a
lot
of
money
to
replace
our
pipe.
So
I
just
wanted
to
point
this
out.
C
C
This
slide
I
wanted
to
I
referred
to
earlier
about
the
age
of
our
pipe,
and
this
is
really
why
we're
starting
to
see
a
spike
in
the
number
of
main
breaks.
As
you
can
see
in
the
1940s
we
started
putting
in
a
lot
of
pipe,
there
was
a
growth
boom
back
then
a
lot
of
this
pipe
was
cast
iron
pipe
and
our
cast
iron
pipe
because
of
the
type
of
soils
we
have
it
in.
It's
it's
gonna
last
eighty
to
a
hundred
years.
C
This
next
slide
kind
of
illustrates
some
of
the
larger
projects
we
have
in
the
master
plan,
the
tampon
mutation
project,
while
it's
significant
overall,
it's
really
just
a
small
piece
of
the
needs.
The
pipeline
renew
and
replacement
is
roughly
500
miles
and
672
million
dollars
over
20
years.
Our
pump
stations
at
the
treatment
plant
are
still
running
the
original
pumps,
they're
close
to
80
years
old,
which
is
a
testament
to
the
maintenance
that
the
workers
have
done
over
the
decades
to
keep
pumps
like
that
running.
C
C
M
Morning,
Eric
Weiss
wastewater
department,
director
you're
gonna,
see
a
lot
of
similarities
as
we
have
pumps
and
pipes
and
treatment
plants,
good
jobs.
So
what
makes
up
the
wastewater
department?
We
did
a
master
plan
for
the
Howard
F
Curran
advanced
wastewater
treatment
plant,
our
only
treatment
plant
down
at
the
port,
and
then
we
did
a
separate
one
for
everything
else,
which
is
the
1,700
miles
of
pipe
225
puffing
stations,
30,000
manholes.
So
those
are
the
two
master
plans
that
we
did
get
into
the
first
one
at
the
treatment
plant.
M
You
know
the
treatment
plan
was
originally
constructed
in
the
early
1950s
is
just
a
primary
basic
plant.
It
became
an
advanced
plan
in
the
70s
and
the
last
major
upgrade
started
in
the
late
1980s
to
increase
the
capacity
that
plant
to
96
million
gallons
per
day.
What
we
could
treat,
but
that's
now,
30
years
old
in
our
business
in
wastewater,
it's
very
wastewater-
is
very
corrosive.
Hydrogen
sulfide,
gasses
and
sewer
gases
really
eat
up
pumps,
pipes
and
structures.
M
So
our
new
30-year
old
plane
is
not
new
anymore,
so
we
hired
an
outside
consultant
to
do
two
basic
things:
one
as
a
phase.
One
go
through
the
whole
plan.
Look
at
the
thousand
pieces
of
equipment,
familiars
rise
themselves
with
the
treatment
plant
talk
to
operators,
so
you
can
get
in,
as
is
you
know
where
are
we
at
today
and
once
they
could
do
that
they
went
out
and
did
big
studies
one,
you
know
it's
the
capacity
good
enough
or
not.
Do
we
have
to
build
new
stuff?
M
M
M
The
treatment
process
that
we
did
back
in
the
1970s
to
make
it
advanced,
has
held
up
all
these
years.
You
know,
and
it's
kind
of
a
model
throughout
the
whole
southeast.
We
get
people
coming
in
and
looking
at
it
because
it's
easy
to
use
and
tried
and
trued,
and
when
you
look
at
some
of
the
newer
technologies,
you
may
get
a
little
efficiency,
but
there's
a
huge
capital
cost
to
build
those
new
things,
and
you
know
the
payback
wasn't
attractive,
but
the
biggest
thing
is
again
a
30-year
old
plant.
So
this
is
the
last
upgrade.
M
You
need
a
lot
and
significant
amount
of
rehabilitation
and
that's
it
for
the
treatment
plant.
Those
are
what
the
study
showed
over
20
years
about
562
million.
As
you
can
see,
almost
half
of
its
the
first
five
years
is
that's
getting
past
this
initial
bubble
of
the
things
that
need
rehabilitated
and
replace,
and
then
it
kind
of
evens
out
in
the
out-years
jump
into
the
other
master
plan,
which
is
our
collection
system.
We
did
that
in-house,
as
you
can
see
about.
M
60%
of
our
system
is
over
50
years
old,
pipe
wises
or
gravity
pipes
about
20%
of
it
is
70
years
old,
and
what
does
that
mean?
And
you
look
at
the
graphic
to
the
right-
that's
over
it's
every
year,
over
the
last
seven
years,
the
number
of
cave-ins
that
have
gone
up
like
what
Brad
said
before
you
know:
that's
a
very
reactive
cost.
You
know
it
could
happen
out
in
the
street.
We
mobilize
get
out
there
and
fix
that
one
break.
But
you
know
a
lot
of
times.
M
M
So
that's
what
we've
got
and
how
do
we
assess
this
in-house
we're
lucky
enough
with
gravity
pipes?
We
have
a
fleet
of
7tv
trucks
where
you
may
have
seen
the
big
white
truck
set
up
in
the
middle
of
what
we
do
is
we
stick
camera
down
there
and
they
can
record
and
assess
the
condition
of
the
pipes,
and
these
guys
are
certified
our
in-house
guys.
So
if
they
were
doing
in
Philadelphia
or
Los
Angeles,
you
know
they
score
it
the
same
the
condition
so
white
Chuck.
M
M
You
know
if
there
was
a
cave-in
what's
the
impact,
so
you
put
those
all
together
and
you
came
up
with
four
hundred
and
forty
five
miles
of
the
of
the
number
one
priority
pipe
and
that's
shown
in
this
graphic
in
red
and
then
the
stuff
and
yellow
is,
is
bad
and
about
to
get
bad
in
the
near
future
and
that's
shown
in
yellow,
as
you
can
see,
it's
mostly
some
of
the
worst
pipe
is
concrete
pipe.
We
have
that
goes
up
north
of
downtown
Nebraska
in
that
area,
and
it's
in
heading
into
West
Tampa.
M
You
know
unlined
cast-iron
pipe.
The
sewer
gases
eat
it
up
a
lot
faster
than
PVC
or
other
things,
and
and
to
add
on
that
you've
seen
a
lot
of
those
sewers
or
in
alleys.
So
for
us
to
get
back
there,
you
have
to
move
fences
or
move
sheds
and
those
kind
of
things.
It's
not
easy,
like
you
could
work.
You
know
in
a
residential
street
pumping
stations
225
pumping
stations.
This
analysis
was
a
lot
more
straightforward.
M
M
Okay,
force
mains,
we
have
about
300
miles
of
force
mains
and
what
this
is.
This
is
a
sewer
pipe.
That's
under
pressure
from
a
pump
pumping
it
up.
He'll
have
a
lot
of
problems
recently,
Davis
I'll.
Unless
this
summer
we
had
a
break
and
that's
the
picture,
you
see
there,
that's
us
putting
a
new
one:
that's
the
Peter
in
o'night
Airport
off
to
the
right
off
to
the
left.
Harbor
Island
you've
probably
heard
our
she's
out
there
with
an
aging
pipeline
Yukon
at
12th.
M
We
did
a
big
project
this
year
as
an
emergency,
and
the
biggest
thing
to
me
about
force
means.
Is
it's
not
easy
to
fix?
Sometimes
you
know
you
can't
just
turn
a
valve
and
stop
the
wastewater
from
coming,
because
it's
coming
on
you
no
matter
what.
So
it
has
a
lot
more
environmental
risk
of
a
break
more
than
just
a
cave-in
where
you
could
just
put
a
pump
and
go
down
to
the
next
manhole.
M
D
Good
morning,
councilmember
Sonia
little
revenue
and
finance,
so
the
second
component,
or
a
part
to
the
master
plans
that
you
just
heard
about
from
from
our
water
and
wastewater
directors
as
well
as
mr.
Baird,
is
the
funding
strategy
as
it
relates
to.
How
are
we
going
to
generate
sufficient
revenues
in
order
to
address
these
major
capital
needs
for
both
systems?
D
D
The
rate
study
focused
primarily
on
three
major
areas
and
that's
the
consumption
rate,
the
base
charge
and
miscellaneous
fees
and
charges.
There
are
several
miscellaneous
fees
and
charges
that
we
took
a
look
at.
We
have
a
lot
more
debt
data,
better
efficiency,
so
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
those
fees
were
appropriately
print
placed.
But
if
you'll
recall,
the
last
rate
increase
that
we
had
for
our
system
was
over
seven
years
ago
and
it
was
phased
in
for
both
systems
for
for
water.
D
It
was
between
the
years
of
2007,
with
the
final
increase
being
in
2011
and
for
wastewater.
It
began
in
2009
again
with
the
last
increased
occurring
in
2011,
so
where
we
are
right
now,
with
their
current
rate
structure,
is
that
the
city
only
charges
a
consumption
rate
and
the
consumption
rate
is
tiered
to
promote
water
conservation.
However,
the
current
rate
study
that
we
have
and
we're
going
to
go
over
the
major
components
of
it.
It
contemplates
a
combination
of
a
consumption
rate
and
a
base
charge.
D
We
found
that
a
pure
consumption
rate
structure
does
not
guarantee
that
we'll
be
able
to
cover
our
fixed
cost.
Our
fixed
costs
that
we
have
to
pay
for
a
system,
no
matter
what
happens,
no
matter
how
much
we
consume
we're
going
to
have
chemical
charges,
we're
going
to
have
personnel
charges,
we're
gonna,
have
electrical
charges
and
just
to
point
out
that
our
system
is
one
of
the
few,
maybe
even
one
of
the
last
ones,
in
the
state
of
Florida.
That
does
not
have
a
base
rate
component
included
in
the
rate
structure.
D
Just
to
put
it
in
perspective,
just
to
share
with
you
a
real-life
example
of
how
the
absence
of
a
base
rate
impacts.
The
city
is
that
back
in
2009,
when
the
city
was
experiencing
the
impact
of
the
recession,
we
also
had
a
drought
and
that
drought
caused
the
city
to
impose
watering
restrictions
and
what
I'm
told
by
the
then
water
director
now
now
mr.
D
Baird,
an
administrator
for
the
system,
was
that
consumption
dropped,
30
million
gallons
in
one
day
after
the
water
restriction
was
imposed,
so
it
did
what
it
was
supposed
to
do,
and
that
was
to
encourage
conservation
in
light
of
the
drought.
However,
what
that
did
to
the
system
is
that,
over
to
budgetary
cycles,
the
system
lost
revenues
in
excess
of
twenty
five
million
dollars.
In
addition
to
that,
because
of
the
drought,
the
city
had
to
purchase
water
from
Tampa
Bay
water
about
ten
million
dollars,
or
so
so
we
had
a
double
whammy.
D
Funding
or
revenues
available
to
cover
our
capital
needs
the
yellow
or
orange.
In
some
cases
on
the
in
your
part,
copy
piece
shows
the
master
plan,
but
if
you
jump
down
to
the
bottom
of
the
of
the
graph,
the
green
portion
is
over
the
next
20
years
to
operating
expenses
for
the
system.
That's
the
all-in,
I
call
this
the
all-in
chart
and
then
the
purple
line
just
above
that
is
the
existing
debt
service.
D
It
does
not
contemplate
the
issuance
of
any
any
more
debt,
so
that
couple
with
the
line
that
goes
straight
through
the
middle
reflects
our
operating
revenues
as
they
sand
today.
So
basically,
what
this
all-in
chart
tells
us
that,
if
you
don't
do
anything
that
the
gap
just
really
continues
to
widen,
for
example,
we
can
cover
through
2025
our
operating
expenses,
our
debt
and
a
portion
of
the
master
plan.
I
D
I
D
D
So,
on
slide
32,
we
have
provided
a
scenario
of
the
summary
of
the
scenarios
that
we'd
like
to
us
to
discuss,
as
I
mentioned
with
the
r8
consultant,
we've
reviewed
and
analyzed
numerous
scenarios,
but
the
top
three
are
provided
here.
The
first
one
scenario
a
we
wanted
to
see
what
we
could
fund
of
the
master
plan
if
we
conservatively
assumed
a
increase
in
the
consumption
rate
and
added
a
base
charge.
All
of
the
scenarios
added
a
base
charge
include
the
base
charge
which
we
don't
currently
have
today.
D
It's
just
a
recap.
Before
we
go
into
the
details,
the
cost
of
capital
for
the
water
system,
you
should
you
saw
the
list
that
was
provided
previously
about
1.5
million
dollars
in
today's
dog
cost
and
waste
water
at
about
1.1
1
million.
But
in
the
modeling
for
the
rate
structure,
we
wanted
to
make
certain
that
we
would
be
able
to
cover
any
inflationary
cost,
so
inflationary
impacts
have
been
added
so
projected
for
the
20
year
plan.
D
So
it
also
includes
a
3%
increase
on
the
consumption
rate
as
we
discussed,
but
it
will
cover
a
hundred
percent
of
our
our
operations
and
maintenance.
But
under
this
scenario
it
does
not
cover
100%
of
the
master
plan.
It
would
only
cover
79
percent,
leaving
about
700
million
dollars
unfunded
over
the
20
year.
Master
plan
and
the
bottom
bullet
merely
just
shows
you.
The
funding
sources
for
the
master
plan
between
cash
and
debt.
D
Scenario:
B
has
the
same
base.
Charge
assumes
the
same
base
charge,
but
in
order
to
fund
100
percent
of
the
math
master
plan
and
100
percent
of
tab,
adjustments
had
to
be
made
to
the
consumption
rate
that
was
charging
and,
at
the
end
of
these,
this
summary
of
each
of
the
scenarios
will
show
you
the
impact
to
the
customer
rate,
but
in
scenario
B.
D
D
D
D
Would
point
out
that
these
scenarios
do
not
these?
This
is
a
conservative
approach
because
we
have
not
secured
any
grants
so
during
the
term,
and
thank
you
for
reminding
me
of
that.
Under
the
20-year
plan,
the
city
will
continually
go
after
grant
funding
to
push
down
the
cost
to
the
consultant
customer.
D
So,
on
slide
37,
we
wanted
to
take
a
look
in
the
consultant
provided
to
us
what
to
put
it
in
perspective,
how
our
rates,
under
the
proposed
scenarios
compare
to
that
of
our
peers.
So
if
you
look
at
the
chart
in
the
first
two
bars,
you
see
that
the
existing
utility
bill
for
water
wastewater
customers,
who
averaged
roughly
six
thousand
monthly
gallons
per
month,
6,000
gallons
per
month,
is
at
forty
$1.29.
When
you
compare
that
to
the
first
year.
That
would
include
a
base
rate
on
the
prior
scenarios.
D
The
monthly
bill
is
estimated
for
that
average
customer
to
go
up
to
forty
six
dollars
and
fifty
cents,
so
the
black
line,
going
all
the
way
across
is
an
average
of
the
peers
that
you
see
on
this
table
and
that
survey
average
has
provided
by
the
independent
consultant
is
eighty
dollars
and
57
cents.
So
you'll
see
both
that
our
existing
rates
and
the
Oh
straights,
the
city
of
Tampa
is
far
below
the
average
of
that
of
our
peers.
F
D
D
J
D
D
J
Where
I
was
going
with
the
question
was,
it
seems
to
me
that
whether
you
raise
the
rates
or
not
you're
gonna
have
to
raise
the
rates,
because
if
you
don't
raise
the
rates
and
things
continue
to
deteriorate,
you're
just
gonna
pay
it.
On
the
back
end,
you're
just
gonna
pay
your
you're
going
to
either
fall
behind
in
your
bond
covenants
or
your
in
your
your
bond
rating
and
pay
higher
interest
rates
or
you're
gonna
have
to
ultimately
tap
the
the
ratepayer
to
to
make
up
that
difference.
So
it's
it's
it's
one
or
the
other.
D
That's
correct
and,
and
the
reason
for
this
proposal
in
this
20
year
plan
today
is
to
be
proactive
because
either
way
you
know
as
they
just
indicate
it
will
have
to
do
it
because
we
have
no
choice
because
a
pipe
has
has
flown
and
you
still
have
to
pay
it.
But
at
some
point
we
will
have
no
reserves
left
because
the
system
revenues
don't
support
the
operations,
maintenance
and
the
forward-looking
construction
needed
to
maintain
the
system.
Yeah.
J
I
I
Obviously,
that
still
is
based
on
rate
changes
and
the
way
that
we
pay
back
those
loans.
How
many
or
how
much
money
are
we
getting
now
from
from
the
revolving
loan
fund
and
is
the
amount
of
money
that
we're
talking
about
for
wastewater?
Is
that
going
to
what's
the
percentage
of
it?
That
goes
back
to
that.
P
D
Need
as
we
can't
acquire
so
that
grant
funding
will
actually
back
buy
down
the
amount
of
debt
that
we'll
have
to
issue
to
satisfy
our
needs.
When
we
determine
the
amount
of
debt
that's
needed,
we'll
evaluate
whether
or
not
it
makes
sense
to
do
a
long-term,
fixed-rate
public
offering
or
to
get
obtain
a
loan
from
the
state
revolving
loan
fund
and
right
now,
we
currently
have
roughly
16
million
of
the
total.
D
I
Yeah
because
wastewater
treatment
plants
typically
have
a
20
year,
shelf-life
anyway,
and
so
those
those
bonds
excuse
me.
Those
loans
are
based
on
that
scenario
of
20
years
and
I
know
that
the
revolving
loan
fund
is
supposed
to
go
out
and
bond
out
the
additional
dollars
and
be
able
to
sell
those
bonds
on
the
open
market
in
order
to
repay
back
in,
but
the
rates
have
to
be
significant
enough
to
be
able
to
repay
those
loans
too.
I
So
I
know
that
you
know
that
rate
analysis
is
done,
even
though
it
is
not
a
bond
that
we
are
issuing.
We
still
have
to
look
at
rates
in
order
to
repay
back
any
of
those
of
those
loans
and
then,
of
course,
with
water.
There
are
some
grants
available,
but
usually
they're,
not
that
significant
in
order
to
be
able
to
provide
the
kind
of
help
we
need
at
such
a
large
scale.
So
at
least
what
I've
seen
so
you're.
I
In
fact,
I
think,
if
I'm
not
mistaken
and
we've
had
these
discussions
over
the
last
few
years,
that
if
we
don't
do
certain
things
and
we
do
have
water
main
breaks-
and
we
do
have
some
of
the
scenarios
that
mr.
Colin
was
talking
about
where
we
have
you
know,
discharges
into
the
into
the
bay
that
that
cost
that's
going
to
go
into
it.
In
terms
of
you
know,
you
know,
consent
orders
things
like
that.
I
In
addition,
the
amount
of
money
that
we're
gonna
lose
because
some
of
those
grants
are
based
on
the
fact
that
we're
not
doing
those
bad
things
to
the
environment
and
that
and
that
to
me,
I
think,
is
a
real
important
part
of
this,
which
is
that
it's
not
just
about
getting
money
in
order
to
provide
the
the
you
know,
the
work
and
the
capital
work
done,
but
it
also
is
about
making
sure
that
those
future
costs
are
even
smaller.
And
you
know,
future
costs
are
really
what's
going
to
kill
us
and
eat
us
up.
E
C
Morning,
counselor
Bob
McDonough
economic
development.
We
are
here
this
morning
to
present
a
very
strategic
and
and
far-reaching
parking
analysis,
and
this
is
a
little
different
than
anything
that
we've
done
before
participated
with,
because
most
of
the
time
we've
looked
at
our
city,
assets
and
city
parking
plans.
This
has
been
a
program
that
was
originally
initiated
by
the
Downtown
Partnership
and
SPP,
and
the
downtown
CRA
participated
in
it
with
funding
by
getting
more
data
points
to
make
sure
of
the
accuracy
of
the
program.
C
E
C
Okay,
so,
as
I
said,
the
small
developer
will
tell
you,
we
don't
need
to
have
any
more
parking.
There's
plenty.
If
you
talk
to
the
folks
at
the
Straz
or
my
folks,
at
the
convention
center,
the
Amalie
arena,
or
on
occasion
the
parks
department,
they'll
tell
you
that
were
woefully
short.
You
listen
to
commercial,
real
estate,
people
and
they'll
say
no.
We
need
more
parking
to
be
successful
like
where
shield
is
as
well.
So
this
this
study
has
looked
at
the
entire
inventory.
O
Yes,
sir
good
morning
Council,
my
name
is
Joel
man
I'm
with
Stan
Tech,
consulting
services
and
I'm,
the
transportation
planner
working
for
the
Downtown,
Partnership,
n,
SVP
and
I
have
been
the
lead
consultant
on
the
parking
study
so
far
that
mr.
McDonough
introduced.
We
have
a
presentation
to
share
with
you
if
we
could
pull
that
up,
I
will
run
through
this
very
quickly.
O
We've
had
the
chance
to
speak
to
some
of
you
about
this
individually,
and
you
know
that
there
is
a
lot
of
data
in
this
study,
so
I'm
going
to
try
to
move
through
very
quickly
so
that
there's
plenty
of
time
for
you
to
answer.
Ask
questions.
This
is
sort
of
scratching
the
surface,
so
we
can.
We
can
get
into
more
of
this
and
we
have
some
case
studies
that
we're
happy
to
share
as
well
as
mr.
McDonough
said.
O
There's
you
hear
many
stories
about
parking,
but
the
common
theme
and
them
always
seems
to
be
what
we
don't
have
enough.
You
know
there
needs
to
be
more
parking
in
downtown.
Despite
that
concern
that
you
hear
for
most
of
your
constituents.
The
findings
of
our
work
show
that
there
is
actually
available
parking.
That's
not
necessarily
parking
where
people
want
it
to
be
or
at
the
right
times,
but
part
of
our
work
was
a
comprehensive
data
collection
effort.
O
The
first
that's
been
done
in
Tampa
to
our
knowledge
that
counted
all
of
the
inventory
of
parking
that
is
built
today
and
we
went
through
and
counted
at
multiple
times
during
the
year
how
that
parking
is
being
used.
We
counted
every
parking
space
and
how
many
cars
were
in
them.
So
it's
it's
kind
of
indisputable.
You
know,
in
fact,
here's
how
many
cars
were
there.
Then
we
don't
know
why
they
were
there
or
if
they
have
monthly
permits
or
if
they're,
in
reserved
spaces.
This
is
simply
the
number
of
cars
and
parking
spaces.
O
O
O
Part
of
the
reason
that
that
happens
is
that
pricing
right
now
is
not
really
set
up
for
rational
choices.
Some
of
the
pricing
is
out
of
balance.
The
map
that
you
have
in
front
of
you
here
shows
several
parking
facilities
around
downtown.
The
ones
that
are
outlined
in
the
black
line
are
operated
by
the
city,
and
these
are
these
are
the
prices
for
an
average
monthly
permit
some
sell
a
couple
of
tiers
of
price,
but
this
is
generally,
you
know
by
the
color
coding
you're.
O
You
have
higher
prices
in
the
core
of
downtown
and
get
lower
out
toward
the
edge.
That
makes
sense,
but
the
city's
prices
are
generally
below
what
the
private
sector
is
charging
and
there's
they're
popular.
For
that
reason,
people
want
to
get
into
those
parking
spaces
because
they
cost
less
and
they
end
up
with
fairly
long
waiting
lists.
For
that
reason,
another
part
of
the
dynamic
is
the
pricing
between
the
street
spaces
and
the
garage
spaces
is
reverse
what
it
typically
is
in
other
cities.
Those
Street
spaces
are
the
most
desirable.
O
O
If
you
were
to
build
more
parking,
as
shown
in
that
little
break-even
point,
you
know
that's
what
it
costs
to
construct
and
Finance
parking
over
time
and
the
the
range
of
what's
being
charged
with
that
parking
is
below
that
monthly
permits,
like
we
said,
are
very
heavily
used
in
the
system.
They've
been,
you
know
the
option
that
everybody
defaults
to
for
a
long
time,
but
if
you
take
the
cost
of
a
monthly
permit,
and
you
break
that
down
to
compare
that
to
hourly
or
daily
parking,
it's
really
cheap.
O
It's
you
know
it's
11
cents,
an
hour
on
average
versus
a
low
of
75
cents
an
hour
and
that
and
that
lower
bar
down
there
for
paying
in
an
off
street
lot
of
you
are
simply
paying
by
the
hour.
It's
no
wonder:
people
are
choosing
those
monthly
permits,
they're
a
great
bargain
right
now,
and
the
pricing
has
manipulated
the
market
somewhat.
This
was
the
slide
we
showed
a
second
ago.
These
are
the
prices
of
monthly
permits
at
these
city
facilities.
I
mentioned
they've
driven
popularity
and
people
have
gotten
on
waitlist.
O
Those
wait
lists
are
sometimes
so
long.
You
know
you
have
two
or
three
times
the
number
of
permits
that
could
be
sold
at
a
lot
of
garage
actually
sitting
there
on
that
waitlist
waiting
to
get
into
it,
and
you
know
it's
the
monthly
permits
that
are
really
strong
in
the
market.
When
you
look
at
the
facilities,
these
are
all
the
parking
garages
and
Lots
downtown,
and
we've
made
them
into
towers
here.
Kind
of
extruded
them
by
the
number
of
spaces
so
fort
broke
is
by
far
the
largest
over
2,500
spaces
in
that
garage.
O
But
you
look
at
what
the
these
are.
How
they're
used
the
cooler
colors
towards
blue
and
green
are
less
used
getting
below
50%
utilized
and
the
yellows
and
the
oranges
are
more
you
70-percent
up,
but
you
look
at
the
dominant
use
in
each
of
those
garages
and
they're
kind
of
locked
up.
These
are
your
you
know,
biggest
facilities
and
some
of
the
most
popular
and
many
of
them
are
tied
up
in
monthly
permits
and,
like
I
said,
that's
a
great
bargain
for
people.
O
There's
no
real
incentive
to
ask
for
anything
different
part
of
that,
though
I
think
there's
a
cultural
thing
or
you
know
a
real
estate,
dynamic,
sort
of
thing
that
downtown
for
a
long
time
has
had
seen.
West
Shore
as
a
competitor
as
an
office
of
market
and
West
Shore
was
built
on
the
premise
of
being
able
to
provide
a
lot
of
parking.
O
It's
been
passed
on
very
low
cost
or
no,
you
know
nominal
cost
to
its
tenants
and
so
downtown's
been
feeling
like
it
needs
to
compete
and
and
what
we've
observed
from
that
is
that
continuing
to
do
that,
you
know,
may
not
let
downtown
continue
to
grow
fact.
It
won't
if
you
consider
downtown
compared
to
West
shores,
to
office
markets
by
most
measures.
West
Shores
always
been
twice
as
large,
but
downtown's
really
been
catching
up.
O
This
is
just
in
a
year
and
a
half
there's
been
ten
times
the
absorption
vacancy
rates
in
downtown
or
on
par
with
West
Shore.
Now
it's
getting
pretty
tight,
there's
not
a
lot
of
space
left
and
yeah.
This
has
been
done
with
only
half
the
parking.
You
know
per
her
square
footage
that
West
Shore
has
but
but
downtown
is
changing
and
we
would
you
know
we
would
maintain
that
trying
to
compete
and
play
in
that
same
game
really
isn't
relevant
anymore.
You
know
downtown
is
a
different
kind
of
place.
It's
dynamic.
O
O
So
some
of
our
observations,
this
is
sort
of
where
we
pass
from
the
cold
hard
data
of
the
study
into
our
professional
opinion
and
and
things
that
we
would
T
up,
is
directions
forward,
as
we
continue
to
work
with
staff
is
that
you
know,
we've
heard
from
many
people
that
it's
yeah
there's
there's
unused
parking
out
on
the
edge,
but
nobody
wants
to
walk
that
far.
No
one
wants
to
get
there.
I
agree
with
that.
I
grew
up
in
Tampa,
I,
don't
live
here
anymore,
but
I
know
the
summers.
O
O
That's
being
used
today,
so
that
points
to
a
mobility
side
of
this
and
that
we
need
to
be
thinking
about
the
mobility
options,
to
make
that
walking
better
or
make
it
more
attractive,
but
be
balancing
and
managing,
so
that
people
are
inclined
to
move
out
to
that,
because
the
price
is
right
and
and
addressing
this
price
issue.
I
want
to
be
very
clear,
is
not
just
about
increasing
prices,
especially
on
the
city
facilities.
O
With
this,
the
Downtown
Partnership
has
already
done
a
lot
of
the
work
that's
proposed
and
in
this
graphic
here
from
having
done
this
study,
we've
met
with
a
broad
base
of
stakeholders.
You
know
cultural
institutions,
businesses,
the
real
estate
community,
the
other
private
operators,
and
have
built
a
pretty
strong
consensus
around
these
ideas.
People
feel
like
some
of
these
things
that
we
found
and
that
we've
observed
and
suggested
our
solid
ways
for
that.
These
are
the
things
we
need
to
be
addressing.
So
there
is
strong
political
support
for
this.
O
It's
been
great
working
with
the
city
staff
on
this
and
we
look
forward
to
doing
more
of
that
to
bring
this
into
more
of
a
plan
and
implementation
steps.
But
you
know
all
three
of
these
agents
are
important
parts
of
this
process,
so
I
will
pause
on
that
because
I
know
that's
a
lot.
Information
delivered
really
quickly.
I
also
have
some
incomparable
paces
from
from
other
cities
who
have
faced
similar
challenges.
O
E
I
O
I
I
Charge:
okay,
that's
what
I
wanted
to
find
out,
because
you
know
obviously
do
ordinances.
We
can
offer
incentives
or
disincentives
in
order
to
make
sure
that
the
private
parking
partners
do
become
partners,
so
that
our
pricing
is.
It's
not
uniform.
It's
going
to
have
four
different
uses
as
you've
mentioned
in
here,
and
that
we
can
have
an
overall
process
of
showing
where
people
can
park
and
then
have
the
Downtown
Partnership
in
conjunction
with
Hart,
or
were
they
wanting
else
to
provide
mobility
so
that
twelve
minute
walk
can
be
a
five
minute
ride
along?
I
You
know
some
of
these
places,
because,
if
you've
mentioned
at
the
very
beginning
that
there's
enough
parking,
the
problem
is
mobility,
it
isn't
parking
and
I.
Think
you
mentioned
that
you
touched
on
a
little
bit
when
you
did
it
and
that's
why,
when
I'm,
when
you're
talking
about
set
prices,
obviously
we
set
prices
for
our
own.
Yes,
sir
Rogers.
Are
you
aligning
base
on
this
on
this
presentation
that
we
have
to
have
a
better
median
point
for
us,
our
parking
facilities,
because
you've
made
that
comment
of
covered
parking
as
a
as
a
dollar-fifty?
I
O
Think,
well,
that's
a
good
question
and
I
think
the
answer
to
that
is
both
of
those
okay
and
that
the
second
I'll
talk
about
quickly.
It's
not
something
that
I
brought
up
explicitly
in
the
presentation,
but
we
do
see
opportunity
I've,
mentioned
monthly
permits
a
lot
and
how
dominant
they
are,
reduce
the
opportunity
and
diversifying
the
way
parking
is
sold
to
customers.
So
part
of
that
is
more
products,
but
by
doing
that,
you
end
up
with
more
price
points
as
well,
yeah,
so
to
get
to
price.
O
I
And
you
know
one
of
the
things:
I,
don't
Arbor
or
any
other
City
does
this,
but
I
mean
we
need
to
have
a
significant
investment
and
coming
up
with
a
parking
app
and
a
transit
app
that
actually
connects
to
each
other
so
that
you
know
what
the
value
of
your
time
and
money
is
so
that
if
I
have
to
park
at
the
royal
lot,
which
is
a
city-owned
surface
lot
that
I
know
what
that
cost
in
time
is
to
me
in
order
to
park
there.
But
it's
going
to
be
less
expensive.
I
O
O
S
Good
morning,
so
I
am
going
to
go
through
this,
but
I
am
gonna.
Give
you
a
little
bit
of
information
today.
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
rewrite
and
what
it
encompasses
I'll
go
through
it
fairly
quickly,
but
it
is
a
lot
of
information,
so
you
all
should
have
received
a
pack
from
yesterday.
It's
included
in
there
as
well,
so
I'll
move
through
those
fairly
quickly.
So
the
comprehensive
rewrite
of
chapter
13,
the
tree
and
landscaping
code
encompasses
a
lot
of
changes.
S
S
So,
in
an
effort
for
simplicity,
we
are
moving
to
32
inch.
Dbh
trees
will
be
grande,
trees,
32
inches
and
up,
and
that
will
make
it
a
little
bit
simpler,
a
little
bit
more
user-friendly
for
people
to
see
and
immediately
be
able
to
assess
whether
or
not
a
tree
is
brand.
In
addition,
we
are
making
another
change.
One
of
the
discussions
that
came
up,
especially
in
conjunction
with
reducing
setbacks
in
order
to
save
trees,
was
to
add
another
type
of
tree
and
that
specimen
trees,
so
specimen
trees
are
the
same
species.
S
There's
a
lot
of
benefits
of
these
trees.
Give
us,
especially
these
very
large
trees
and
you'll
note
here
that
right
around
24
inches,
there
is
a
break
point
for
carbon
storage,
where
there's
a
significant
greater
carbon
storage
in
these
24
inch
and
larger
trees.
You
also
see
another
interesting
jump
here
right
at
around
the
32
inch
mark,
which
is
what
we're
considering
Grand
trees
so
we're
targeting
and
protecting
those
trees
that
are
giving
us
the
absolute
most
benefits
to
our
system.
S
Similarly,
in
the
city
of
Tampa's
tree
canopy
and
urban
forest
analysis
from
2016
that
you
heard
presented
in
April,
you
see
again.
Similarly,
there's
there's
some
sort
of
break
points
happening
here
around
the
24
inch,
as
well
as
the
the
32
inch.
These
are
the
very
largest
trees
in
the
city.
You
get
into
very
small
numbers
in
terms
of
how
many
trees
we
have
of
these
sizes
once
you
get
into
these
large
size
trees.
So
these
are
not
a
typical
tree.
S
This
is
going
to
be
an
atypical
tree
that
you'll
be
running
into,
so
we
have
added
the
concept
of
the
specimen
tree
to
this,
and
the
first
time
that
this
comes
up
as
an
issue
is
the
question
of
pruning.
So,
as
you
know,
and
I
also
have
in
your
packet
a
general
timeline
and
list
of
key
dates
for
the
rewrite
and
as
you
directed
it
the
last
time
we
have
met
significantly
and
extensively
with
the
interested
parties
on
this
reform
day
working
group
and
met
every
Friday
I.
S
Think
some
of
you
saw
us
in
December
for
our
first
one.
We
camped
out
down
there
in
the
mascot
room,
so
we
we've
been
meeting
consistently.
We
also
had
two
large
public
meetings
with
a
fairly
good
turnout,
where
we
got
a
lot
of
information,
the
public
and
a
lot
of
good
feedback.
But
there
are
three
policy
decisions
that
we
have
not
been
able
to
come
to
any
consensus
on
so
I
have
those
here
for
you
and
hopefully
an
easy
to
read
format
today
and
the
first
one
of
those
is
the
pruning
work.
S
So
the
Builders
Association
has
suggested
that
if
you
have
a
four
inch
or
greater
limb,
these
are
gonna,
be
the
large
limbs
on
a
tree
that
four
grande
trees,
whether
they're
on
private
or
public
property,
that
that
should
require
a
permit
for
pruning
and
also
for
protected
trees
that
they
have
before
inch
limb
over
right-of-way,
because
there
you
have
a
public
safety
health.
You
know,
there's
a
tree
limb
extending
over
right
away.
You
want
to
make
sure
that
people
are
doing
those
types
of
trimmings
correctly,
so
the
Builders
Association,
the
building
industry
in
general.
S
That
is
their
suggestion.
The
tree
advocacy
groups
that
we
worked
with
this
was
a
couple
different
neighborhood
associations
as
well
as
the
tree.
Something
say
something
that
you
all
are
familiar
with
and
have
been
very
involved
in
the
last
year.
They
also
had
a
recommendation.
They
said,
grant
and
specimen
trees,
because
again
you
have
these
larger
trees
and
the
concern
with
requiring
a
permit
comes
out
of
you.
Don't
want
someone
pruning
these
trees
and
properly
and
accidentally
killing
them.
S
So
by
telling
people
come
in,
get
a
permit
make
sure
you
have
someone
who
is
qualified
to
be
doing
this
protein
work.
It's
not
a
you
know,
guy
with
a
chainsaw
that
doesn't
know
what
he's
doing
the
idea
for
having
them
do
permit
is
to
have
them
come
in
and
make
sure
that
they're
getting
it
done
by
someone
who's
qualified
and
it's
gonna.
Do
it
correctly
and
not
damage
the
tree
and
not
get
them
in
trouble.
With
code
enforcement
we
also
have
a
staff
recommendation
in
the
current
code.
S
So
that
is
the
staff
recommendation,
and
that
is
the
potential
changes
that
you
could
select
for
pruning
work
so
and
just
to
go
over
it
quickly.
Current
code,
current
code
is
the
grand
tree
limbs
of
any
size
and
protected
tree
limbs
greater
than
or
equal
to
four
inches
over
right
away.
That's
current
code,
and
is
there
a
question
on
that.
E
S
S
J
C
S
S
E
B
E
J
E
J
S
What
I'm,
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
you
could
just
set
it
at
a
flat
15
feet
instead
of
stating
protective
root
zone
and
then
the
15
feet
would
be
and
and
keeping
in
mind
that
there
might
still
be
situations
where
the
structure
is
more
than
15
feet,
but
still
would
impact
the
tree
in
such
a
way
that
it
might
still
meet
me
to
be
removed,
but
for
purpose
of
tree
removal
zone
removals.
If
it
was
within
15
feet,
then
it
would
allow
the
automatic
removal.
E
S
E
S
J
S
So
continuing
on
with
some
of
the
changes
that
we
have
in
the
rewrite,
so,
as
you
may
know,
today,
we
determined
mitigation
is
inch
by
inch.
Now
you
have
already
adopted
a
change
to
canopy
mitigation
and
the
I'll
call
it
for
short
terminology,
the
interim
ordinance
that
you
passed
on
November
15th
and
it's
set
to
go
in
effect
on
April
15th
of
this
year.
So
but
just
going
over
it
very
quickly.
S
We've
changed
from
this
inch
to
inch
to
replacing
canopy
for
canopy,
and
what
that
does
is
that
if
you
have
a
very
large
tree
with
an
excellent
canopy
that
is
making
a
huge
contribution
to
the
city
and
you're,
removing
that
tree
you're
going
to
need
to
replace
that
trees
function,
and
there
is
a
five-year
parody
set
in
this
we're
assuming
a
growth
rate
for
the
trees
that
are
planted
back,
and
then
you
get.
You
know
over
the
next
five
years
what
those
trees
would
have
grown
into
assuming
they
all
are
survived.
S
We
greatly
appreciate
his
help
doing
this
process.
He
has
prepared
for
us
some
examples
of
how
the
differ.
So
this
is
a
live
oak
that
has
grown
in
an
open
space.
It
doesn't
have
any
buildings
or
other
things
encroaching
on
it.
It's
an
excellent
tree.
It's
doing
a
lot
of
work.
It's
sequestering
a
lot
of
carbon.
It's
soaking
up
a
lot
of
stormwater,
it's
leaf
areas,
catching
water
as
well,
and
helping
with
runoff
this
tree
is
doing
a
lot
of
work
for
our
for
our
city.
S
Under
our
current
code,
based
on
the
estimations
and
calculations
he
has
done.
This
is
a
live
oak,
which
is
a
quality
species.
You
get
reductions
based
on
the
desirability
of
the
species
so,
for
example,
a
less
desirable
tree.
You
would
have
to
do
less
mitigation,
a
more
desirable
trait
you
up
to
the
full
mitigation
for
so
doing
the
calculations
under
our
current
code
a
replacing
inch
for
inch
on
trunk.
You
would
only
require
about
33
trees,
but
under
the
new
code
this
would
be
51
trees,
so
significantly
more
trees.
S
But
this
is
a
very,
very
quality
tree
and
it's
probably
kind
of
the
exception.
On
the
other
hand,
if
you're
replacing
a
tree
that
has
has
had
a
rough
life,
this
this
trees
not
doing
as
much
work
as
the
other
tree.
It's
got
a
tough
time,
that's
probably
not
in
the
right
place,
because
it's
been
pruned
very
extensively
under
our
current
code.
We
ignore
the
fact
that
this
tree
is
not
a
healthy
tree.
It's
not
doing
well.
S
So
that
is
a
significant
change.
One
of
the
other
significant
changes
we
have
is
under
our
current
code.
If
you
take
out
a
bunch
of
palms,
you
have
to
replace
them
back
with
some
a
percentage
of
shade
trees.
I
believe
is
60%
shade
trees.
If
you
take
out
live
oak,
you
can
replace
that
back,
at
least
in
part
with
palms.
It
doesn't
make
a
great
deal
of
sense.
S
So
what
we
have
changed
under
this
code
is
we
have
type
4
type
replacement
if
you're,
removing
ornamental
trees,
you're
gonna
be
putting
back
ornamental
trees
if
you're
removing
shade
trees,
you're
gonna
be
putting
back
shade
trees.
So
that's
a
good
change.
One
of
the
other
changes
in
something
that's
been
asked
for
quite
a
bit
is
a
change
to
camphor
trees
and
how
we
treat
those
so
a
camphor
tree
is
listed
as
an
invasive
species,
and
a
camphor
is
an
invasive
species
within
15
feet
or
within
50
feet
of
an
environmental
area.
S
So
if
you
have
a
wetland
system-
and
you
have
a
camper-
that's
encroaching
on
that
area
that
can
become
easily
become
a
very
amaze
of
species,
check
out
our
more
beneficial
species
and
be
a
problem.
But
a
camper
in
a
non
environmental.
Non
environmentally
sensitive
area
has
a
lot
of
benefits
and
there's
a
lot
of
campers
in
the
city
that
are
in
excellent
health
and
do
a
lot
of
good
work
because
they
are
not
in
an
environmentally
sensitive
area.
So
we've
changed
the
code
to
say
you
can
always
remove
a
camphor
tree.
S
S
So
this
last
one
on
this
page
is
a
big
point
and
it's
something
I
think
everyone
was
very
pleased
with
so
currently
under
the
code.
If
you
remove
trees,
you
have
to
plant
the
trees
back
on
your
property
or
on
some
other
property
within
the
overall
project
or
in
the
right-of-way
which,
as
we
know,
is
always
a
perfect
place
to
put
trees.
S
We
have
changed
that
you
can
now
plant
trees
on
private
property
within
the
planning
district,
so
people
will
have
an
opportunity
to
say
to
developers.
I
know
that
some
of
the
neighborhood
associations
have
looked
at
putting
up
websites
with
people
that
are
interested
in
receiving
trees
and
builders
will
be
able
to
plant
trees
on
private
property
and
receive
mitigation
credit
forum.
So
you
get
the
trees
right
back
into
the
community
as
quickly
as
possible.
So
that's
a
really
positive
change.
S
All
mitigation
trees
are
now
protected,
which
is
a
huge
benefit
currently
so
many
plants
back
to
mitigation
trees,
the
homeowner
could
come
out
and
remove
those
that
won't
be
the
case
anymore.
They
will
be
a
protected
tree
and
they'll
need
to
deal
with
removal
of
that
tree
if
they're
going
to
remove
that
mitigation
tree
tree
surveys.
So
currently
we
receive
a
lot
of
very
bad
tree
surveys
in
the
in
the
city.
We
get
a
lot
of
trees.
It's
a
you
know,
it's
a
you
know
it's
a
30
or
it's
a
28,
what
their
favorite.
S
If
it's
a
28
inch,
you
know
Laurel
oak,
you
go
out
and
it's
a
40
inch
live
oak.
We
get
a
lot
of
instances
of
that
in
the
cities.
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
are
now
requiring
is
an
arborist
verification
of
what
appears
on
that
tree
survey,
and
this
is
required
for
all
tree
removal
applications.
If
you're
going
to
try
and
remove
a
tree,
we
want
to
know
what
tree
it
is,
but
there
is
a
clarification.
The
arbors
that
can
do
the
verification
can
also
be
a
City
arborist.
S
S
Some
other
clarifications,
currently
hazardous
trees
are
appealed
to
City
Council
you've
never
actually
seen
one
of
these,
but
we
wanted
to
clarify
that
if
you
are
going
to
appeal
to
City
Council,
it
has
to
be
on
the
basis
that
you
disagree
with
the
hazardous
determination.
So
we
have
added
in
that
you
are
going
to
need
an
arborist
report
that
disagrees
with
our
City
arborist
in
order
to
have
something
for
City
Council
to
actually
consider
otherwise.
You
have
a
lot
of
testimony
about
I.
S
S
All
right,
the
tree
removal
zone-
you
all-
are
familiar
with
this
already
you've
heard
a
bit
about
it,
so
the
tree
removal
zone
is
added
for
those
Lots
that
are
65
feet
or
less
and
WIPP
130
feet
or
less
in
depth
and
6,500
square
feet
or
less
in
size,
and
you
then
take
the
primary
structure.
Setbacks
go
in
an
additional
5
feet
for
side
yards
and
front
yard
and
an
additional
10
feet
for
rear
yard
that
forms
the
tree
removal
zone.
S
This
is
the
area
where,
on
those
Lots,
which
we
have
termed
trz
eligible
those
are
those
areas
where
you
can
consider
a
tree.
Removal
administrative
leave,
ARB
process,
any
Lots
that
do
not
qualify
for
the
tree
removal
zone
or,
if
there's
a
tree
on
the
lot
they're
trying
to
remove
that,
does
not
otherwise
qualify
for
removal.
It
might
not
be
in
the
removal
zone
or
there
may
be
other
issues.
It
might
be
far
enough
from
the
structure
to
not
fall
within
the
trz
removal.
S
S
I'll
mention
on
the
policy
issues.
As
you
know,
on
January
17th
you
moved
and
transmitted
to
the
Planning
Commission,
the
automatic
sex,
pepper
setback,
reductions
which
are
40%
rear
yards,
a
design
exception
for
25%
side
yard,
automatic
1,
foot,
side
yard
and
a
10%
building
height
increase
and
a
25%
front
yard,
regardless
of
whether
or
not
regardless
of
which
planning
district.
It's
in.
So
those
are
the
automatic
reductions,
plus
the
one
side
yard
design
exception
reduction.
S
The
the
tree
advocates
have
suggested
removing
the
requirement
that
the
Lots
BTR
is
the
eligible
in
order
to
utilize
those
automatic
reductions.
That
would
require
some
restructuring
of
what
we've
done.
If
you
wanted
to
make
that
change
to
the
ordinance,
because
we
have
structured
the
exceptions
for
Parkland
estates
and
other
things
around
around
those,
let.
J
Me
ask
you
about
that,
because
we've
gotten
some
correspondence
on
that
and
I
want
to
I
want
to
be
clear
on
that.
It
seems
like
on
further
research.
The
Parkland
estates
setback
requirements
that
that
are
codified
in
their
overlay
district
are
protected
under
state
law.
That's
which
trumps
the
city
correct,
that's
fine!
So
it's
not
it!
There
is
no
purpose
to
us
exempt
it
specifically
exempting
them,
because
they're
already
exempted
is
that
right?
We.
S
Don't
have
to
specifically
exempt
them
from
the
reductions
because
they
are
already
exempted,
what
we
also
exempted
them
from,
and
it
was
tied
in
some
respects
to
this,
but
we
did
exempt
them
from
as
the
tree
removal
zone
altogether.
The
concept
behind
that
being
that
in
parkland
estates
they
don't
have
the
ability
to
ship
to
save
trees.
So
it
shouldn't
be
an
automatic.
So.
J
So
then,
my
my
question
is:
what
parkland
do
then
they're
they're
sort
of
taken
care
of
by
by
the
way
this
is
done
was
our?
Was
our
decision
to
limit
the
setback,
reductions
to
only
trz
eligible
Lots
only
to
protect
them,
or
was
that
a
policy
we
wanted
to
apply
all
over
the
city,
because
what
what
I'm
hearing
is
is
that
once
they're
out
of
the
equation
here,
perhaps
the
the
setback
reduction
options
should
apply
to
all
Lots.
J
S
S
J
S
F
S
So
the
way
that
the
automatic
setback
reductions
work
is,
if
there
is
a
24
inch
or
larger
trees
needs
to
be
the
specimen
trees.
If
there's
a
24
inch
or
a
larger
tree,
and
they
need
to
utilize
that
reduction
in
setbacks
to
save
that
tree,
to
preserve
it
and
not
remove
it,
then
they
are
automatically
allowed
those
reductions.
S
S
Okay,
so
that's
that's
a
little
bit
of
the
information
on
that
the
the
corollary
to
that
is
the
reasonable
reconfiguration.
So
if
you
are
not
doing
a
T
or
Z
removal,
if
you're
going
to
the
variance
review
board
for
a
non-hazardous
grande
tree
removal,
currently
there
are
ten
reasonable
use
criteria,
but
that's
not
the
best
method
for
determining
when
a
tree
can
be
removed
because,
let's
say
it's:
a
single
family,
a
lot
you're
building
a
single
family
home,
that's
sort
of
inherently
a
reasonable
use
for
that
property.
S
So
that's
not
really
the
best
question
that
we
should
be
asking
the
question
we
should
be
asking
is:
if
can
you
have
that
house
and
that
tree
and
that's
the
question
we
are
trying
to
move
into
with
the
new
code?
So
instead
of
having
the
ten
reasonable
use
criteria,
we
now
have
a
structure
of
reasonable
reconfiguration.
These
are
the
questions
of.
Can
you
shift
the
house
into
the
setbacks?
S
S
S
What
we
have
it
set
at
in
the
draft
of
the
code
is
that
you
have
to
utilize
design
exceptions,
so
it's
either
10
percent
or
25
percent
and
the
front
and
rear,
depending
upon
your
planning,
district
South
Tampa
allows
10%
University
allows
25%,
for
example,
so
you
have
to
utilize
one
of
those
types
of
reductions.
If
ting
the
house
that
amount
allows
you
to
save
the
tree,
then
you
have
to
utilize
that
design
exception
and
try
to
save
the
tree.
That
way,
it
also
allows
a
one
foot
side
yard
and
a
10%
building
height
increase.
S
So
those
are
other
design
exceptions
you
can
use
to
try
to
save
the
tree
now.
What
the
tree
advocate
groups
have
suggested-
and
this
is
the
policy
question
for
you
today-
is
whether
you
also
have
to
use
the
new
automatic
reductions
and
yards
that
you
transmitted
on
the
17th,
so
that
would
be
again
a
25%
front
yard,
regardless
of
planning
district.
Excuse
me:
okay,
forty
percent
in
the
rear
yard
and
up
to
25%
of
the
side
yards.
S
So
the
question
before
you
is:
should
you
have
to
ship
full
21st
ship,
the
full
forty
percent
into
the
rear
yard,
in
order
to
try
to
save
a
tree?
The?
What
the
building
industry
is
telling
us
is.
That
is
a
huge
shift
that
that's
not
something
that
generally
goes
very
well
between
neighbors
and
that
that's
something
that
should
be
determined
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
whether
there's
additional
reductions,
not
that
that
should
be
something
you're
required
to
utilize
in
every
instance
to
try
to
save
a
tree.
The
tree
topping
it.
S
Let
me
see:
yeah-
oh
yes,
very
quickly,
just
a
couple
more
points
on
that
VRB
removal.
So
you're
doing
this
reasonable
reconfiguration
analysis.
There's
also
an
analysis
that
we're
requiring
that
the
VR
be
under
tape,
which
is
how
much
will
it
cost
to
try
to
save
the
tree
if
you're,
using
the
alternate
construction
method?
How
much
money
is
that
going
to
cost?
It
could
potentially
be
an
expensive
undertaking
and
then
they
weigh
that
against
the
overall
health
and
benefits
of
the
tree.
S
So
is
this
an
excellent
tree
doing
a
lot
of
benefits
of
the
city
and
it's
a
minimal
cost
for
the
the
you
know
raised
floor
or
is
it
a
huge
cost
for
the
raised
floor,
and
this
is
not
a
very
good
tree
that
we
necessarily
need
to
save
it.
So
that's
an
inquiry
that
the
variance
review
board
will
be
making
as
well
and
finally
for
any
accessory
structures,
because
there
are
tree
removal
applications
in
conjunction
with
pools,
other
types
of
accessory
structures,
mother-in-law
Suites
there
there
are
various
accessory
structures
where
tree
removal
is
requested.
S
In
those
instances
we
have
asked
the
vrv
to
also
look
at
within
a
quarter
of
a
mile.
Is
that
an
accessory
structure
you
regularly
see?
Does
everyone
within
this
quarter
mile
area
all
have
a
pool
of
the
same
size
such
that?
It
will
be
very
odd
for
this
lot
to
be
left
out
and
be
the
only
person
that
doesn't
have
that
sizable
pool
in
those
instances
they
can
condition
consider
that
additional
criteria
to
determine
whether
or
not
it
is
reasonable
to
remove
the
tree.
J
Comes
asked
a
question:
what
is
it
that
you're
asking
us
to
do
today?
I
mean
because
we're
being
presented
with
these
questions
and
some
of
them
are
not
they're,
not
things
I'm
capable
of
making
a
decision
off
the
fly
without
at
least
reading
through
and
thinking
about.
Where
are
we
supposed
to
go
from
here
today?.
S
So
you
could,
potentially,
you
know,
put
this
off
to
maybe
next
week
or
something
like
that,
but
it
will
probably
need
to
be
a
fairly
quick
decision.
I'm.
Sorry,
let
me
go
to
another,
exhibit
very
quickly
to
help
it
will
create
this.
In
order
to
have
this
back
in
front
of
you
before
some
people
have
said,
we.
J
S
In
order
to
have
this
back
in
front
of
you,
you
really
need
to
make
that
March,
11th
Planning
Commission
meeting
now,
there's
also
the
April
15th
pending
day
for
ordinances.
What
we
would
suggest
as
a
clean
measure
if
you
want
to
try
and
get
a
decision
on
this,
would
be
because
this
encompasses
those
interim
changes
and
then
builds
a
little
bit
more
on
them.
We
would
suggest
the
evening
March
14th
and
then
an
April
4th
second
reading
and
adoption
in
order
to
get
you
in
before
that
effective
date
for
those
other
two
ordinances.
S
A
Anything
further
for
members
of
council,
okay,
and
thank
you
for
that
very
detailed
presentation,
because
I'm
sure
that
that
took
a
lot
of
work
to
do
so.
Thank
you
very
much
so
for
that.
If
any
members
of
the
public
would
like
to
speak
for
three
minutes
at
a
time,
if
everyone
would
please
stand
up
and
line
up
against
the
wall,
if
it
is
your
intent
to
speak
to
here
today,
go
ahead,
sir.
A
C
Jerry
brown
of
resided
for
ninety-one
Severna
Avenue
on
Davis,
Island
and
I'm
here
to
talk
to
you
only
about
the
first
policy
decision,
which
is
the
reduction
of
the
distance
in
what
you've
already
approved
in
Chapter
thirteen.
Two
months
ago
it
was
okay,
everybody
was
fine.
Staff
was
okay,
now
all
of
a
sudden
there's
a
problem.
So
what
I
want
to
show
you
in
this
very
simple
sketch?
This
is
a
very
typical
average
Laurel
oak
tree,
grand
Laurel
oak
tree.
Okay,
this
mr.
C
pett
arica
put
together
for
us,
so
all
I'm,
doing
graphically
for
you
in
a
very
simple
model,
is
taking
this
same
tree
and
I'm,
putting
it
on
a
TR
Z
line.
This
slot
is
50
by
130
and
if
you
look
at
the
graphic
I'm
showing
you,
the
crown
spread
of
this
39
inch,
Laurel
Oak,
Tree
and
I'm,
showing
its
proximity
to
the
home
12
feet
away,
which
is
what
the
tree
advocates
are
asking.
C
So
before
you
split
the
baby
councilman,
please
hear
this
out
for
years,
Natural
Resources
has
been
telling
us
large
grand
trees
really
need
more
room.
They
don't
need
to
be
in
pinch.
You
know
built
closer
to
yes,
we
can
do
it.
Yes,
we
don't
mind
doing
it
and,
yes,
it
will
require
a
lot
of
cost
to
do
it
and
we've
been
able
to
work
with
natural
resources
on
that.
So
the
concept
that
everybody
agreed
to
when
we
defined
the
area
of
the
TRC,
which
is
the
area
in
pink,
was
based
on
the
20
foot
radius.
C
So,
if
you're
going
to
move
the
goalposts
now
to
15,
let's
go
back
and
talk
about
the
trz.
Maybe
we
don't
decrease
the
setbacks
more
by
5
feet
on
the
sides,
5
feet
in
the
front
and
ten
feet
in
the
rear.
If
we
had
discussed
that
up
front
and
everybody
agreed
staff
wants
it
to
be
15
feet,
we
would
have
a
bigger
trz
area
on
small
lots,
so
I
don't
care
if
it's
15
make
the
trz
bigger
or
let's
just
leave
it
alone.
J
C
I
mean
we
really
do
understand
then
I
then
I
apologize,
but
literally
both
sides
got
together
with
staff
and
work.
This
out,
there's
no
reason
to
change
it.
There
is
no
reason
to
change
we're.
Not
talking
about
that.
Many
lots.
The
the
whole
swalot
definition
reduced
the
number
of
lots
in
the
city
toward
everybody
said:
okay,
let's
try!
That's
all
we're
asking.
B
Name
is
Sandra
Fran
Bates
from
six
807
South
Elementor,
Street
and
I
would
like
to
ask
the
council
to
please
require
Grand
Oaks
to
be
within
12
feet
of
the
structure
before
automatic
removal
is
permitted
under
the
trz
process.
This
is
option
B,
please
make
the
new
automatic
setback,
reductions
to
save
grand
and
specimen
trees,
part
of
reasonable
reconfiguration
that
must
be
considered
by
applicants
and
the
VRB
in
lieu
of
grand
tree
removal
in
all
planning
districts
and
applicable
to
lots
15,000,
not
just
trance
trz
eligible
lots.
B
Excuse
me
to
support
economic
development
in
Tampa
to
ensure
we've
actually
streamlined
processes
to
protect
Tampa
Street
a
debate
and
to
educate
the
public
on
these
sweeping
changes.
Please
give
Natural
Resources
and
Parks
and
Rec
the
funding
and
resources
necessary
to
implement
this
tree
code,
rewrite
with
these
changes
and
forward
it
to
the
Planning
Commission,
and
that
is
crucial.
The
funding
is
crucial.
N
A
copy
of
it,
my
name,
is
Mary
Lou
Bailey
and,
as
you
know,
I've
been
before
you
for
over
two
years,
representing
Hyde
Park
on
this
tree
issue
and
then
I
joined
forces
with
the
tree
advocates
and
collaborated
with
the
builders
and
more
lately
intensively
with
the
staff,
so
we've
been
around
and
around
and
around
I
think
we're
about
ready
to
go
guys.
I
support
transmitting
this
version
to
the
Planning
Commission
with
one
adjustment
I
know
there
are
several
policy
issues
and
people
have
a
lot
of
opinions
about
them.
N
The
one
that
I
think
is
most
important
is
that
middle
issue,
in
that
the
administrative
approval
for
automatic
reduction
of
setbacks
for
granted
almost
grand
trees
should
be
applicable
to
all
Lots
I
think
it
was
a
misunderstanding
and
in
haste
that
they
about
the
parkland
situation,
that
we
limited
that
to
just
the
TR
zealots
and
upon
further
research.
As
mr.
Cohen
has
said,
we
don't
need
to
do
that
and
in
fact
it
endangered
trees
unnecessarily
in
other
parts
of
the
city
for
protection
that
parkland
estates
already
enjoys
under
the
state
rules.
N
So
I
want
just
that.
One
thing
adjusted
and
then
I
am
ready
to
go.
I
think
that
this
overall
does
a
lot
to
balance
the
development
interest,
the
property
rights
interest,
the
benefits
of
trees.
We've
come
a
very
long
way
and
a
number
of
us
have
put
in
a
lot
of
hours
and
we
like
to
get
it
going
and
get
it
done
before
you
guys
all
turn
over
go
into
different
jobs,
or
what
have
you
now,
whether
or
not
the
code
has
achieved?
Simplification
remains
to
be
seen.
N
There
are
a
lot
of
things
in
there
that
seem
simpler.
There
are
other
things
that
seem
more
complicated,
we're
going
to
have
to
test
this
thing
on
the
road
and
so
I
strongly
advise
that
in
six
months
we
have
a
a
structured
and
public
review
of
the
impacts
of
this
code
revision.
What's
it
done
to
the
canopy?
What's
it
done
to
the
cost?
What's
it
done
to
the
average
Joe
citizen
who
wants
to
know
what
he
can
do
he
or
she
can
do
with
a
property.
N
I
also
think
that
the
council
should
strongly
advocate
for
additional
resources
and
natural
resources.
They
need
new
noopy
additional
people.
The
current
people
find
they
need
additional
people
and
they
need
technology
and
tools,
we've
given
them
a
lot
of
responsibility
under
this
new
code,
there's
no
way
they
can
implement
it
with
the
current
resource
load
that
they
had.
So,
as
you
start
working
on
the
budget,
please
keep
that
in
mind.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
attention.
N
T
Good
afternoon
Chelsey
Johnson
3313
homecourt,
as
many
of
you
know,
I'm
the
founder
of
the
inter
neighborhood
group
called
trees.
Something
say
something
I
know
that
you
heard
a
lot
of
information
today.
I
wanted
to
follow
up
on
Mary
Lou's
comment,
which
is
that
we
really
are
very
close
and
I
also
wanted
to
speak
to
Gary
Browns
comment
about
the
some
of
the
changes.
As
you
know,
we
have
collaborated
with
the
Tampa
Bay
Builders
Association
for
the
better
part
of
this
year.
The
the
tree
group.
T
It
was
the
fluid
group
of
people,
but
we
have
a
we've
had
a
really
good
team.
We've
had
many
wonderful
working
sessions
in
the
process
of
that
we
were
able
to
get
the
city
staff
to
give
us
their
expertise,
and
many
of
these
people,
like
Cathy
Beck,
have
been
doing
this
that
are
much
longer
than
any
of
us.
So
we
did
have
some
new
information
which
we
presented
to
the
builders
to
to
see.
If
we
could
negotiate
on
we,
we
did
offer
the
builders
15
feet.
T
We
are
discussing
that
they
were
not
willing
to
go
with
that
number,
which
is
why
we've
given
it
to
you
all
as
a
policy
decision
I
just
also
wanted
to
say
a
huge
thank
you
to
the
city
staff,
Kristen
Morris,
put
hours
and
hours
into
giving
great
presentations
to
the
public
I
attended,
both
public
sessions
on
Tuesday
and
Wednesday
of
last
week.
They
were
well
attended.
T
They
were
Kristen,
did
a
fantastic
job
sharing
about
the
tree
removal
zone,
which
is
a
historic
compromise
between
three
advocates
and
the
building
community,
as
Tampa
goes
through
its
growth
spurt.
So
I
wanted
to
give
us
a
great
thank
you
to
her,
as
well
as
Cathy
Beck
and
her
expertise
and
the
building
community,
and
we
appreciate
the
collaborative
efforts.
T
We
hope
that
you
will
look
over
what
this
very
helpful
table,
that
Kristen
has
put
together
and
can
make
some
informed
decisions,
and,
lastly,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
time
and
your
patience
going
through
this
process.
It's
been
a
it's
been
a
lot
of
changes.
Overall,
the
tree
advocates
are
comfortable
with
the
code.
T
The
there
are
some
wonderful
additions
like
being
able
to
put
trees
on
private
property
instead
of
the
right
away,
which
will
prevent
some
of
the
lifting
up
of
sidewalks
and
driveways,
which
you
all
have
no
doubt
been
hearing
about,
as
well
as
the
damage
to
our
water
areas.
So
we
appreciate
all
of
your
help
and
your
collaboration
and
lastly,
I
also
would
like
to
ask
for
more
money
for
natural
resources
so
that
they
can
continue
with
making
Tampa
a
top
tree
city
which
we
were
awarded
this
past
year.
Thank
you.
Q
Hello,
I'm,
Kristin,
Metcalfe
and
I
met
one
one:
seven
west
north
street
in
Tampa
and
I'm
here
today,
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
old
Seminole
Heights
neighborhood
association,
so
I'm
speaking
on
their
behalf
today
and
I,
am
speaking
in
favor
of
the
new
tree
code
in
general.
I
also
would
like
to
say
that
we
support
the
proposed
changes
by
trees,
something
say
something
and
the
tree
advocates.
Q
We
also
propose
that
the
Neighborhood
Association
still
be
notified
of
all
grand
and
specimen
tree
removals,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
still
getting
the
notifications
that
we
thought
before
and
finally,
we
would
like
to
propose
an
idea,
not
fruit
now
for
the
future,
something
to
think
about.
If
some
of
you
happen
not
to
expire,
we
would
like.
We
would
like
to
propose
an
idea
of
a
priceless
tree,
one
that
is
too
valuable
to
ever
be
cut
down.
Q
We
understand
that
the
property
owners
deserve
fair
market
value
for
their
Lots,
because
that
would
be
ridiculous
to
prevent
somebody
from
being
able
to
sell
a
lot
if
they're
going
into
a
nursing
home
and
need
to
pay
for
that.
Right
makes
no
sense.
So
we
propose
or
suggest
some
sort
of
funding
mechanism
to
reimburse
them,
perhaps
using
the
landscape
area,
trust
fund,
which
is
section
16,
4,
6,
101
of
the
code
and
turning
these
Lots
into
pocket
parks
and
pocket
parks.
Q
You
may
be
familiar
with
I,
don't
know
if
you've
ever
gone
up
to
Cedar
Key,
but
they
have
wonderful
little
pocket
parks
all
over
the
city
on
the
on
that
Bay
and
they're
wonderful
places
for
the
community
to
come
and
sit
and
relax
and
have
a
cup
of
tea.
So
we
just
bring
this
up
for
future
discussion
and
we
thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
H
H
S
H
D
H
Instance
in
on
my
lot,
John
and
grace
sample
built
in
addition
to
my
home,
which
I
was
grateful
for
their
wonderful
contractors.
But
we
put
a
specific
slab
to
save
the
root
structure
of
a
grand
tree
near
the
home
and
we
paid
for
it
as
homeowners.
And
that's
what
I'd
like
to
see
to
protect
the
trees
in
our
neighborhood
for
future.
P
G
G
We
sat
down-
and
we
agreed
on
various
elements
of
this
elf,
of
the
ordinances
being
presented
to
you
at
the
20-foot
radius
and
we
respectfully
request
that
that
remain.
But
this
is
like
a
water
balloon
when
there
are
so
many
elements
that
are
interdependent
upon
other
elements
that
when
you
start
making
changes,
they
affect
other
things
within
the
code.
So
I
suggest
to
be
very
careful
and
about
which
elements
you
you
move.
If
you
squeeze
it,
the
water
balloon,
it's
only.
It
gets
bigger
on
one
side,
but
then
once
you're
squeezing
gets
smaller.
G
So
it's
it's
a
very
difficult
process.
Our
attempt
was
to
make
it
easier
to
understand
and
for
an
individual
homeowner
to
be
able
to
process
an
application.
We
didn't
achieve
that.
It
is
a
very
complicated
process:
we've
added
arborist
we've
added
required
site
plans
and
a
variety
of
other
things
that
make
it
more
difficult,
but
I
think
in
an
imperfect
world
we
have
an
imperfect
ordinance,
but
it's
better
than
what
we
had
and
in
that
respect,
would
ask
that
you
move
forward
with
it
applying
the
various
setback.
G
Reductions
that
you
can,
that
you
can
use,
should
apply
to
all
residential
zoning
districts.
I
think
that's
a
very
wise
decision,
because
there
are
properties,
regardless
of
their
size,
that
this
could
affect
so
I
would
respectfully
request
you
move
it
forward
and
consider
the
20-foot
radius.
Thank
you.
H
H
M
H
S
Councilman
your
correctly
in
the
interim
code,
it
was
20
feet
because
that
was
the
protective.
It's
not
exactly
20
feet.
It's
protective
root
zone
which
in
general,
is
about
20
feet
for
grand
trees,
so
the
20
feet
is
in
the
interim
code
and
that's
what
was
agreed
on
before.
There
was
over
the
course
of
the
working
meeting
some
discussion
about
whether
there
was
a
smaller
area
that
would
allow
fewer
trees
to
be
removed
through
the
tree
removal
zone.
S
In
the
case
of
a
small
house
that
you
might
not
need
to
remove
the
tree,
it
was
a
discussion
that
took
place
over
the
course
the
working
group
and
came
up
as
a
potential
policy
decision.
So
it's
presented
to
you
today
and
in
that
context,
but
you're
correct
20
feet
is
the
productive
root
zone
is
what
is
in
the
current
interim
ordinances.
Yes,
thank
you.
J
B
J
J
J
B
Not
very
dangerous
to
have
small
limbs
pruned
on
a
grand
tree,
but
it's
very
difficult
to
enforce
the
four
inches
for
us,
we're
looking
at
large
trees
up,
and
you
know
how
do
you
tell
what's
a
four-inch
limb
and
what's
not
a
four-inch
limb?
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
to
monitor
pruning
of
grand
and
specimen
trees
to
make
sure
that
they
are
pruned
to
the
american
national
standards
institute
for
pruning
and
that's
basically,
what
we're
trying
to
do.
F
Most
of
them
bring
food
trees
or
somebody
calls
them
and
they
see
somebody
how
they
find
them.
They
see
somebody
cutting
a
tree
and
they
go
ask
them,
but
you
do
that
job.
Oh
yeah
I'm
certified
another
Rose,
a
certified
or
not,
and
a
lot
of
their
Hispanics,
because
they're
working
three
trees.
So
do
you
have
some
type
of
plan
to
program?
How
are
you
gonna
reach
out
to
these
people
and
fight
them?
First,.
S
There's
a
couple
things
that
we
are
doing
to
address
exactly
that
councilman.
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
are
working
on,
regardless
of
whether
or
not
this
new
tree
code
we're
working
on
it
now
miss
Baek
is
more
to
the
point
where
we're
going
to
educate
program
that
will
allow
for
a
certification
of
people
that
have
been
trained
by
the
city
and
have
demonstrated
back
that
they
understand
the
ANSI
pruning
standards.
They
understand
how
to
correctly
prune
trees.
S
So
the
city
will
then
have
a
certification
process
and
people
will
be
able
to
quickly
ascertain
whether
or
not
this
person
is
actually
the
city
has
blessed
this
person
and
said
yes,
this
person
knows
how
to
do
it.
So
that's
a
program
we're
working
on
putting
in
place
right
away.
One
of
the
other
things
we've
also
plugged
into
the
new
proposed
code
is
to
have
an
affidavit
where
you
have
a
third
party
doing
a
pruning.
S
So
if
I
come
in
and
I
say
you
know,
Bob's
gonna
trim
the
tree
for
me
will
does
Bob
no,
but
he's
doing
he
needs
to
sign
an
affidavit
saying
he's
going
to
prove
prune.
According
to
ANSI
standards,
so
it's
another
way
because
currently,
if
something's
pruned
improperly,
it
falls
on
the
property
on,
but
where
it's
a
third
party,
that's
not
really
fair
to
them.
So
we're
hoping
this
affidavit
will
help
the
city
take
enforcement
against
those
that
are
doing
the
improper
pruning,
not
necessarily
the
little
old
lady
who
had
a
tree
pruning
properly.
Why.
B
J
B
And
to
that
I'm
looking
at
this
and
I
said
okay,
this
is
what
we
agreed
on
to
be
brought
forth.
B
I'm
looking
at
it
and
I
said
well,
why
don't
we
move
on
this
and
look
at
it
in
six
months
or
a
year
see
how
it's
working
well,
I
mean
this
is
what
was
agreed
on.
This
is
what
everybody
brought
forth
and
I'm
thinking
now,
there's
you
know:
I've
been
I've
been
in
retail,
my
whole
life
and
once
you
make
a
deal
and
everybody
was
in
including
Natural
Resources,
everybody
was
in
on
this
and
I'm.
B
J
E
Because
it
seemed
to
me
each
time
that's
coming
back
before
us,
it
gets
delayed
again
because
we
keep
getting
changed
now.
We
didn't
make
a
decision.
We
gonna
move
forward.
I'll
put
this
off
to
the
next
council,
because
this
this
this
is
just
don't
make
no
sense
at
all
you
have
made.
We
have
made
a
determination
that
Grandstaff
bring
this
back
to
us.
We
all
talk
about
it.
Third,
first,
we
need
to
have
this
body
3030
and
order
for
it
be
transmitted
in
all
and
all
this
stuff.
E
I
I
Is
that
I
think
that
we
had
our
options
in
front
of
us
and
let's
pick
the
options
that
we
think
we
should
go
forward
to
based
on
what
I
have
heard
from
the
public,
based
on
what
I've
heard
from
all
the
all
the
folks
that
we
have
here,
our
staff,
the
way
I
look
at
it
is
that
under
option
number
one
them
option,
A
I
think
we
keep
that
in
place.
I!
I
Think
that,
because
the
splitting
is,
you
know,
it
will
have
an
effect
on
the
trz
line,
I
think
on
option
on
policy
decision
number
two.
We
go
with
option
B,
because
I
think
that
that
is
a
reasonable
request
and
then
I
think
on
the
pruning
work.
I
think
we
also
go
with
option
B.
Now,
that's
just
my
suggestion.
If
we
can
go
forward
with
that
or
not
I
know
that
we,
regardless
of
what's
gonna,
happen,
we're
gonna
have
someone
that
doesn't
like
that.
I
We
just
did
some
of
the
suggestions
that
were
brought
forward
to
us
were
go
forward
with
it.
Based
on
some
of
the
recommendations,
we
have
have
a
6-month
look-back,
which
I
think
is
important.
We
can
then,
after
we
send
this
to
the
Planning,
Commission
and
then
comes
back
to
us.
We
can
actually
ask
a
report
six
months
later,
so
that
the
new
council
will
have
it
prepared
and
ready
to
go
so
that
they
get
into
the
loop
on
this,
because
I
think
our
loop
is
already
moved
out.
E
B
E
F
Feeling
is
this:
with
Chairman,
we
I
thought
that
there
was
a
compromise
in
most
of
items
when
I
read
this
now,
there's
a
compromise,
but
with
differences.
So
the
compromise
still
there,
but
it's
not
United
anymore.
There's
a
difference.
I
like
to
have
my
one
week
with
what
brought
up
so
I
can
read
and
understand,
and
in
my
own
mind
just
make
up,
which
is
the
best
way
to
go
and
and
say
within
a
year
sunset
to
the
new
council
thing
in.
I
F
E
E
E
I
E
F
Do
you
know
today
we
had
a
comprehensive
review
of
what's
happening
underground
that
nobody
looks
at.
It
is
a
most
important
thing
of
this
city
and
I
think
that
although
letting
off
or
anything
I
think
we're
gonna
bring
it
up
and
they
makes
council
meeting
just
to
see
if
we
can,
what
we
want
there
and
how
we're
gonna
fix
it,
how
you
gonna
pay
for
that
again
here
she
had
different
scenarios.
They
also
had
different
scenarios.
We
had
three
scenarios
here
and
they
gave
us
recent
area
I.