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D
D
This
place
is
an
institution,
and
it
has
served
the
community
very
well
well
scooter,
I'm,
glad
that
you
carried
on
the
tradition,
along
with
your
business
associates,
I'd
like
to
just
take
two
seconds
and
and
read
this
commendation
that
we
were
presenting
to
you
today
in
recognition
of
the
hub's
70th
anniversary,
Tampa
City,
clad
counsel
gladly
joins
the
community
and
the
patrons
in
saying
cheers
to
70
years.
We
thank
you
for
being
the
corner
bar
that
has
given
many
memories
to
a
few
generations
of
tampa
residents,
musical
acts,
drinks
and
a
place
to
unwind.
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The
hob
has
been
a
mainstay
to
downtown
tampa
scene,
and
for
this
we
commend
you.
We
thank
you,
mr.
Melton,
mr.
Fox
vigil,
and
to
the
staff
for
keeping
this
gym
open.
So
new
generations
can
enjoy
the
mystique
of
this
favorite
corner
bar
the
City
Tampa
celebrates
in
Tampa
Council,
celebrate
the
milestone
and
with
you
and
wishes
you
another
70
years.
No,
no,
you
could
hang
out
for
seven
of
an
amazing
success
presented
on
this
day,
the
fifth
day
of
September
2019.
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F
D
A
A
G
I'll
go
ahead
and
begin
without
within
the
city
of
Tampa
that
remains
23
factory
buildings,
which
were
once
used
in
the
manufacture
and
distribution
of
cigars.
These
buildings
are
commonly
of
a
vernacular
that
I
believe
everyone
identifies
a
rectangular
shaped
building
oriented
with
a
east-west
orientation.
There
are
other
types
of
buildings
that
were
used
in
cigar
manufacturing.
The
stove
exist
in
the
city
throughout
Ybor
City,
throughout
West
AMP,
a
number
of
buildings
are
originally
up
to
200
factories
that
are
operating
at
the
peak
of
the
cigar
industry.
G
Currently
there
are
11
cigar
factory
buildings
that
are
protected
by
preservation,
ordinance,
11
of
those
or
nine
of
those
rather
protected
through
their
location
within
the
ybor
city,
historic
district
and
two
of
them
are
designated
as
local,
landmark
structures.
I
had
photographs
of
those
to
show
you
today,
but
I'll
go
ahead
and
pass
that
within
the
ybor
city,
national
landmark
district,
there
is
one
factory
that
is
within
the
national
district,
but
not
the
local
district,
that
is
the
perfecto
Garcia
factory
on
16th
Street
and
then
within
the
Westham
district.
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There
are
additional
nine
factories
or
eight
factories.
Excuse
me
that
are
within
the
National
Register
district,
but
not
locally
protected.
There
are
two
factories
in
the
Palmetto
Beach
National
Register
district
that
do
not
have
local
designation
as
well.
Those
are
the
la
Carina
factory
and
the
Salvador
Audry's
Factory,
both
of
those
are
located
on
22nd
Street
and
one
is
a
factory,
that's
constructed
of
lumber.
So
it's
one
of
two
remaining
factories
that
are
constructed
of
lumber.
The
second
is
located
in
the
ybor
city,
historic
district
and
then
in
the
city
of
Gary.
G
There
is
one
factory
on
36th
Street,
the
Tierra
del
Lago,
which
was
constructed
in
1908.
The
remainder
of
the
factories,
as
I
mentioned,
are
either
situated
within
the
local
historic
district
of
Ybor
City
and
thereby
hat
protection
or
their
designated
as
local,
landmark
structures.
So,
with
that
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
about
the
processes
that
are
in
place
to
review
buildings,
both
designated
and
undesignated,
okay,.
H
H
I
think
the
purpose
in
setting
this
up
and
I
want
to
speak
for
a
councilmen
didn't
folder,
but
one
of
the
we
heard
concerns
from
the
community
that
one
of
the
factories
was
being
painted
and
that
that
might
hurt
its
its
historic
designation
or
it
might
hurt
preserving
it.
The
future
it
is,
is
there
anything
else
that
we
should
be
doing
any
kind
of
ordinance
that
we
should
pass
to
try
to
protect.
These
are
some
of
the
other
historic
landmarks.
Well,.
G
Within
the
cigar
factories
that
are
undesignated,
the
only
way
to
truly
protect
those
structures
is
to
apply
architectural
review
to
that
and
that's
is
afforded
through
27
to
56,
which
is
the
historic,
preservations
Commission's
process
to
hopefully
designate
structures.
That's
the
city
of
Tampa
preservation
ordinances
when
there
are
when
there
are
considered
to
be
eligible
for
designation.
G
G
The
second
is:
if
there
is
an
individual
that
was
associated
with
the
particular
site
that
makes
that
have
a
historic
or
cultural
value,
if
it
has
archaeological
value,
is
another
criterion,
and
then
this
the
fourth
criterion
is
if
it
is
a
essentially
a
structure
or
a
site
object
that
contributes
to
the
history
of
a
particular
area,
so
that
would
be
an
area,
an
element
with
the
cigar
factories
that
would
also
apply
in
their
role
in
the
development
of
the
city
and
the
cultural
heritage.
That
resulted
from
that.
Thank.
D
You
second
question:
I,
don't
know
if
it's
true
or
not
I
heard
that
it
was
rumored
that
the
painting
of
one
cigar
factory
it
was
cheaper
for
them
to
do
that,
as
opposed
to
repointing
the
brick.
Are
there
grants
out
there
by
the
city
of
Tampa?
That
could
be
often
for
say
a
50/50
in
in
repointing
a
brick
building
or
doing
some
sort
of
maintenance,
repairs
and
upkeep
of
historic
buildings
that
are
deemed
historic
one
way
or
the
other.
There.
G
Are
grants
there's
different
funding
mechanisms
that
you
know
various
levels
of
government
there's
national
grants
or
through
the
State
Historic
Preservation
Office,
there's
a
grant
program
there
locally
and
within
the
West
Campus
area,
where
the
factory
that
you
mentioned
is
situated.
We
have
a
low-interest
loan
program
and
the
Hillsborough
County
has
a
challenge
grant
which
assists
with
a
matching
grant
up
up
to
I
believe
$250,000.
G
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G
A
I
A
Anything
else.
Okay!
Thank
you.
Second,
thank
you
very
much.
Okay.
Next,
we
move
to
our
public
hearing.
I
have
a
second.
Second,
we
have
a
motion
by
Councilman
Scott
who
a
second
by
Councilman
citral,
all
in
favor
any
opposed
and
in
councilman
Carlson
who
had
asked
about
speaking
on
it.
I
didn't
know
there
was
a
presentation,
but
you'll
go
first
after
the
presentation.
J
Good
evening,
chairman
members
of
City
Council
Brad,
berry,
Public,
Works
administrator
I
would
like
to
bring
up
a
jam
a
clean
first
before
I
start
the
presentation,
so
she
can
explain
the
package
that
was
substituted
last
night
and
then
also
talk
about
what
would
need
to
be
substituted
in
terms
of
exhibits
for
the
the
new
or
improved
customer
assistance
program
that
was
in
the
mayor's
memo
earlier.
Thank
you.
K
The
mr.
chair
and
councilmembers
Jim
McLean
with
the
office
of
city
attorney
and
as
Brad
indicated,
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
so
that
you
knew
what
you
are
working
from
this
evening.
I
sent
out
an
email
late
yesterday
afternoon
with
a
substitution
of
the
resolution
and
the
exhibits
in
support
of
the
resolutions,
one
for
water,
one
for
wastewater.
K
J
All
right
with
that
we'll
get
going
with
the
presentation
this
presentation
shown
to
the
public.
Okay,
thank
you.
So
before
I
get
into
it,
the
picture
on
the
right
is
a
water
main
break
on
Davis
island.
We
were
dealing
with
last
night,
starting
at
about
six
o'clock
and,
ironically,
a
picture
that
you'll
see
later
of
the
Davis
Island
did
I,
say
Harbour
Island,
Davis
island
force
made
is
along
this
same
line
that
we
just
finished
putting
in.
J
As
you
know,
we
have
held
community
meetings
in
each
city,
council
districts,
several
public,
other
public
meetings,
plus
presentations
at
city
council
meetings
in
January
and
in
June
of
this
year
on
water
and
wastewater
infrastructure
needs
Tampa
is
simply
no
different
than
other
utilities.
Throughout
the
United
States
we,
you
know
we
are
just
like
older
cities
that
have
infrastructure
issues.
Their
infrastructure
is
failing
its
aging
and,
in
fact,
several
Public
Works
associations
that
grade
infrastructure
across
the
country
gave
our
industry
a
D
and
a
d-minus,
which
is
not
very
good.
J
The
agenda
for
tonight
first
will
will
show
a
short
video
on
the
realities
of
failing
infrastructure
go
into
the
water
master
plans.
The
wastewater
master
plans,
the
proposed
funding
scenario
for
those
four
master
plans
actually
and
cover
the
new
customer
assistance
program
that
we're
proposing
tonight
and
then
one
change
on
the
schedule
at
the
at
the
very
last
slide
and
I
would
add
that
we
have
Vanessa
McCleary.
Here
too,
after
I
go
through
the
basics
of
the
program.
A
D
L
Any
given
day
in
the
city
of
Tampa,
we
face
multiple
water
main
breaks.
Since
July
2017
there
have
been
nearly
2,500
water
main
breaks
and
that
number
continues
to
grow
daily.
In
2018
alone,
there
were
1201
water
main
breaks.
In
addition,
there
have
been
nearly
1,000
wastewater
cave-ins,
since
July
2017,
water,
main
breaks
and
wastewater
cave-ins
occur
due
to
aging
pipes.
Some
of
the
city's
pipelines
are
reaching
100
years.
Each
break
can
disrupt
your
daily
life
with
traffic
delays
due
to
road
closures,
health
and
safety
issues
and
even
property
damage.
L
L
That's
why
the
city
of
Tampa
is
planning
ahead
for
our
future
with
pipes.
We
are
investing
in
Tampa
tomorrow
by
taking
a
proactive
approach
to
renew
our
infrastructure,
prevent
breakdowns
and
provide
long
term
permanent
fixes
to
our
water
and
wastewater
systems.
Our
20-year
plan
will
replace
aging
water
pipes
and
rehabilitate
failing
sewer
pipes
and
phases
throughout
each
district
and
ensure
sustainability
for
generations
to
come.
City
of
Tampa
customers
have
enjoyed
very
low
utility
rates
for
many
years.
Approximately
half
of
the
average
bill
in
the
Tampa
Bay
area.
L
However,
lower
rates
mean
that
we
have
not
been
able
to
take
a
more
sustainable
and
proactive
approach
to
properly
invest
in
our
water
and
wastewater
system.
The
longer
we
wait
to
remedy
our
aging
pipelines,
the
more
expensive
it
will
become.
We
expect
to
spend
3.2
billion
dollars
over
the
next
20
years
of
this
critical
project
that
will
benefit
everyone,
pipes,
investing
in
Tampa
Tamale
to
learn
more
visit,
Tampa
gov
net,
slash
pipes.
J
So
you
get
the
idea,
we
have
water
main
breaks
everywhere.
Like
I
said
we
were
dealing
with
one
last
night.
These
so
I
want
to.
That
was
a
lot
on
water
main
breaks
a
little
bit
on
on
waste
water
of
cave-ins.
So
I
want
to
go
through
a
couple
pictures
or
a
few
pictures
to
cover
the
waste
water
side
of
the
equation.
You
know:
waste
water
failures
often
do
not
get
as
much
press,
but
they
they
result
in
serious
health
and
safety
issues.
J
And
then
we
have
forced
names
for
space,
our
pipelines,
they're
not
gravity
lines
as
when,
once
you
just
saw
they're
under
pressure
they're
under
a
lower
pressure
than
a
water
line,
but
when
they
break,
we
can't
bypass
them
at
least
really
quickly,
and
so
they
continue
to
flow
continue
to
cause
those
health
problems
and
safety
issues.
And
you
know
the
one
on
the
left
is
on
a
demo
drive.
You
can
see
right
there
at
the
top
of
the
pipe.
J
You
can
see
my
cursor,
it
has
corroded
and
then
the
one
on
the
on
the
right
is
up
at
131st
Avenue,
and
actually
this
is
outside
the
city
limits
and
you
you
can
see
that
this
a
48
inch
pipe
imploded
and
cost
the
river
of
sewage
down
that
down.
That
roadway,
which
had
to
be
closed
for
about
a
week
and
a
half.
J
J
So
what
are
the
costs
of
doing
nothing?
You
know
the
the
video
touched
on
this
that
we're
spending
over
20
million
dollars
in
reactive
costs
and
they're
going
out
and
FY
18.
We
spent
over
12
million
reacting
to
wastewater
cave-ins
and
then
of
that
same
year
we
spent
over
10
million
reacting
to
water
main
breaks,
so
in
combination
we're
over
20
million
a
year
on
reactive
cost
and
those
costs
are
going
up.
J
J
Alright
get
into
the
master
plans,
so
first
we
have
two
primary
master
plans
for
wastewater,
one
for
the
david
l
tip
and
water
treatment
facility
and
pumping
stations,
and
one
for
the
pipelines
out.
You
know
in
streets
and
or
I
should
say
under
the
streets.
So
I
want
to
remind
you
here
that,
on
the
right
hand,
side
shows
the
service
area
of
the
water
department.
As
you
can
see,
a
significant
portion
of
our
customers
live
outside
the
city
limits
for
the
water
customers
is
24
percent.
You
know,
I
wanted
to.
J
J
J
What
what
happens
is
we've
now
hit
this,
this
hump
of
more
and
more
pipe
being
put
in
that's
reaching
the
edge
the
end
of
its
useful
life
and
the
last
10
years.
The
other
thing
this
graph
says
is
the
last
10
years
we've
been
replacing
very
little
water
pipe
and
I
mean
I
did
I
did
total
up
some
numbers
on
the
on
the
the
miles
of
pipe
up
to
1960
and
the
totals
up
to
420
miles
of
pipe
that
we
need
to
start
down
the
road
of
replacing.
J
Okay,
water
main
breaks
they're
on
the
rise
I
tried
to
make
this
slide
a
little
more
clear
than
what
we
had
at
the
community
meetings
as
you
can
see,
but
the
frequency
is
increasing.
It's
tripled
we're
almost
tripled
since
from
going
from
October
15
up
to
September
1918.
Excuse
me
and
in
addition
to
the
number
of
main
breaks,
tripling
the
size
and
cost
of
the
main
breaks
are
tripling,
and
then,
on
top
of
that,
you
see
spikes
about
once
a
year
this-this-this
January
17.
This
is
January
16th.
J
We
had
113
and
we
really
had
a
bad
January
in
in
2018
and
what
happens
is
that's
our
coldest
month
of
the
year
and
as
it
turns
out,
our
water
has
a
large
range
of
temperatures
throughout
the
year
it
bottoms
out
at
49
degrees,
tops
out
at
91
degrees,
and
when
you,
when
you
have
the
cold
water,
it
tends
to
contract
those
pipelines
and
pull
apart
the
joints
and
then,
of
course
it
expands.
You
know
when
the
winter
water
heats
up
in
the
spring
in
the
summer
time.
Well,
that
might
not
seem.
J
So,
let's
move
over
to
the
wastewater
side
where
they
also
had
two
master
plans,
one
for
the
treatment
plan
and
pumping
stations
and
one
for
our
pipeline
system
and
their
service
area
also
goes
outside
the
city
limits
into
unincorporated
Hillsborough
County
they're,
people
that
are
not
City
citizens
or
City.
Customers
amounts
to
a
little
less
in
the
water
side.
It's
20
percent
instead
of
24.
So
we
have
one
treatment
plant.
J
Excuse
me
located
down
on
hooker
point
that
has
a
capacity
of
96
million
gallons
a
day,
which
is
a
big
deal,
because
you
know
other
utilities
across
the
state
are
at
capacity
or
nearing
capacity
if
their
treatment
plant
our
plant
on
average
discharges
about
60
million
gallons
a
day
55
to
60
depending
on
the
year,
and
so
when
we
have
these
rains,
this
treatment
plant
can
handle
the
hydraulic
capacity
of
221
million
gallons
a
day.
So
that
gives
us
a
big
advantage.
J
J
And
then
you
know
on
the
pipeline
side,
it's
you
know
very
similar
to
the
to
the
water
apartment,
so
the
master
plan
for
the
treatment
plan.
Yes,
a
total
of
well
over
a
half
a
billion
dollars.
I
would
point
out
that,
just
in
the
next
five
years,
254
million
dollars
and
that
just
to
put
things
into
perspective,
that
is
just
slightly
more
than
the
251
million
dollars
that
we
have
stormwater
Improvement
Plan.
So
you
know
that's
that's
entire
stormwater
improvement
planner.
So
that's
that's
pretty
impressive.
J
It
just
kind
of
gives
you
the
order
of
magnitude
of
what
we're
talking
about
here
on
the
gravity
pipeline.
We
are
going
up
similar
to
water
main
breaks.
We
have
sixty
percent
of
our
system,
that's
greater
than
50
years
old
and
we
have
one
fifth
of
our
system:
that's
greater
than
70
years
old.
So
you
know,
one
fifth
of
the
wastewater
system
is
older
than
the
hub
as
I
just
heard.
J
Okay,
gravity
Pipeline
master
plan.
We
split
it
up
into
priority
one
and
priority
two
projects
priority.
One
projects
are
shown
in
red
on
the
right-hand
side,
priority
two
shown
in
yellow
total
over
seven
hundred
miles
of
pipeline
and
I
wanted
to
show
these
pictures.
This
is
an
inside
of
a
vitrified
clay
pipeline
that
is
in
good
shape.
So
this
is
a
pipeline
that
that
did
not
make
the
list
of
priority
one
and
two
pipelines,
and
it
was
put
in
a
little
later
than
the
time
periods.
I
showed
you
earlier.
J
J
The
other
point
I
want
to
make
here
is
that
these
pipelines
are
restored
using
an
immersion
liner
technique
where
you
put
in
an
epoxy
resin
liner,
installed
through
the
manhole
four
manhole
to
manhole,
and
you
do
not
have
to
tear
up
the
streets
to
do
this.
So
we
used
to
replace
these
pipelines
in
place.
The
inversion
liner
method
is
roughly
half
of
what
it
costs
to
replace
them
in
place.
We
televise
all
of
our
gravity
pipelines.
J
Then
we
have
wastewater
pumping
stations,
small
medium
and
large
pumping
stations,
and
we
have
about
225
pumping
stations,
so
they
have
a
20
year
life
on
your
equipment.
So
roughly,
we
should
be
rehabilitating
11
pumping
stations
a
year
and
we're
nowhere
near
we
rehabilitating
11
a
year,
but
you
know
the
relative
to
the
pipeline
and
the
treatment
plant
work.
You
can
see
it's
less
costly.
J
We
have.
This
is
the
crowd
street
pumping
station
and
the
upper
upper
right
that
we
just
finished
readability
for
about
seven
million
dollars,
and
we
were
able
to
get
this
one
in
time
put
in
new
pumps
put
in
new
control
panels
up
here
and
you
know
put
it
back
online.
This
one
is
be
located
between
the
Riverwalk
and
the
Convention
Center
and
it's
an
old
Spanish
building
that
was
built
in
1950,
the
one
on
the
left.
Unfortunately,
we
didn't
get
to
on
time
it
it
failed.
J
J
You
can't
bypass
them,
so
the
picture
up
top
here
is
actually
not
that
old
of
a
pipeline,
but
it
was
corroded
by
hydrogen.
Sulfide
gas,
hydrogen
sulfide
gas
combines
with
water.
It
makes
sulfuric
acid
sulfuric
acid
eats
these
old
pipe
lines
up.
So
now
we
replace
pipe
line.
We
replaced
force
mains
with
plastic
pipe,
and
that's
what
you
see
here
on
a
Davis
Island
horse
made
that
failed,
and
we
had
a
leak
right
next
to
the
channel
that
we
had
to
try
to
dig
down
and
fix.
J
It
was
extremely
difficult,
and
so
we
had
to
replace
the
Davis
Island
pipeline
under
emergency
order
and
once
again,
reactive
costs
are
doubled.
If
you
complained-
and
in
this
case
that
broken
water
line
last
night,
we
could
have
replaced
this
forest
man
at
the
same
time
as
that
older
water
line
on
that
same
street
and
save
considerable
amount
of
money.
So
our
needs
are
closing
in
on
a
hundred
million
dollars.
J
J
So,
coordinating
with
the
major
capital
improvement
programs
that
we
have-
and
that
includes
all
four
transportation
that
will
hopefully
get
water
wastewater,
stormwater
and
the
streetcar
expansion
and-
and
we've
been
asked
this
question
a
lot.
So
we
started
addressing
this
over
half
a
year
ago
with
the
Chief
Engineers
and
the
directors
in
these
departments
of
how
do
we
make
this
happen?
This
is
a
lot
of
work
in
total
with
all
these
programs.
It's
about
four
point:
four
billion
dollars
now
as
I
guess
it's
about
4.1
billion
dollars
with
the
300
million
subtracted.
J
So
we
are
next
going
to
start
meeting,
and
actually
we
had
our
first
one
already
with
the
contract
administration.
Department
is
how
do
we
package?
How
do
we
package
and
get
this
done
so
we
don't
tear
up
streets
twice.
You
know
that
we
coordinate.
We
have
a
good
public
outreach
program
so
that
everybody
knows
what's
going
on
what
utilities
are
we
put
in?
First.
Second,
third
and
constant
contact
and
updates
on
on
those
programs.
J
So
we
took
an
area
for
each
district.
This
one
just
happens
to
be
district
five
and
put
up
the
overlay
of
the
different
utilities
on
here
and,
as
you
can
see
in
district
five
on
this
one
and
it'll
it'll
move
through
again.
The
first
thing
we'll
do
is
is
line
the
wastewater
pipelines
we
want
to
get
in
and
get
out
of
there
and
line
those
pipelines.
So
that's
what
comes
up
first.
The
green
ones
are
wastewater
pipelines,
the
blue
ones,
dark
blue
or
the
large,
the
baby
blue
ones.
J
There
are
the
smaller
pipelines,
then
the
orange
is
stormwater
improvements
that
we
need
to
still
make
and
then
finally,
the
all
for
transportation,
improvements
and-
and
that
includes
that's-
not
just
paper-
that
that
includes
curb
and
gutter
sidewalks,
paving
streetlights,
where
there's
going
to
be
Complete
Streets.
All
of
that
will
be
coordinated
with
water,
wastewater
and
stormwater.
J
J
So,
in
parallel
with
the
four
master
plans,
we
conducted
a
rate
study
over
the
last
couple
years
and
it
included
these
three
components.
Some
can
include
the
excuse
me
looking
at
the
consumption
rate,
adding
a
base
charge
for
one
of
the
only
utilities
in
the
state
of
Florida.
That
does
not
have
one
at
least
of
any
size,
and
certainly
in
the
Bay
Area
we're
the
only
one
without
a
base
cut
base
charge,
and
it
also
included
looking
at
miscellaneous
fees.
J
The
charges
now
in
in
the
overall
scheme
of
things,
the
miscellaneous
fees
and
charges
are,
you
know
very
minor
compared
to
the
revenue
associated
with
the
top
two,
so
the
decision
was
made
since
some
will
go
down.
Eventually,
some
will
go
up.
This
decision
was
made
to
not
include
that
and
in
this
program
and
this
2.9
billion
billion
dollar
program
at
this
point,
I
want
to
point
out
that
our
last
water
and
wastewater
rate
increase
was
in
2011,
so
it
was
eight
plus
years
ago,
and
and
also
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
point
out.
J
Is
the
base
charge,
eighty
to
eighty-five
percent
of
our
cost
and
these
two
departments
are
fixed
regardless
of
the
amount
of
water
we
deliver,
regardless
of
the
amount
of
wastewater
we
receive
art,
our
costs
are
fixed,
so
you
know
I
know
my
one-on-one
briefings,
I
used
the
story
of
2009
drought
and
but
they
didn't
get
to
do
that
at
the
community
meeting.
So
I'd
like
to
do
it
here.
If
you'll
indulge
me
in
2009,
we
had
a
tail
end
of
a
three
year:
drought
that
started
in
2006.
J
We
were
also
during
that
time,
councilman
Miranda
may
remember
this.
We
went
to
hand
watering
only
the
most
onerous
restrictions
in
the
entire
state
and
the
good
thing
about
hand.
Watering
only
is
it
worked
from
one
day
to
the
next.
We
saved
25
million
gallons
a
day
of
water,
because
one
reason
the
one
reason
and
Load
people
know
how
to
turn
off
their
irrigation
systems,
but
they
don't
necessarily
know
how
to
adjust
them
and
so
that
what
I
wanted
to
say
there
to
wrap
that
up
is
the
good
side
of
that
coin.
J
J
The
operating
expenses
in
this
graph
are
shown
in
green.
The
purple
shows
our
existing
debt
service
payments
and
internal
loans,
and
then
the
purple
is
just
a
transfer
of
the
2.9
billion
dollar
pipes
proposal
that
we've
added.
On
top
of
that
and
again,
you
can
see
we
run
out
of
money
by
2025
and
which
is
going
to
result
in
reserve
being
depleted
bond
ratings
under
attack
and
downgraded,
and
our
infrastructure
will
be
five
years
older
and
not
not
getting
any
less
expensive
to
repair
on
a
reactive
basis.
So.
J
As
you
remember
before,
with
the
reduction
in
the
program
that
was
changed
to
11
percent
annual
increase
for
those
next
four
years
and
then
a
six
percent
annual
increase
for
FY
26,
and
that
is
because,
if
you
look
at
that
orange
graph,
we
have
needs
that
are
well
beyond
their
useful
life.
So
those
those
five
years
of
catch-up.
J
2040
then
wastewater
a
little
more
flat
with
a
three
percent
annual
increase
FY
twenty
through
31
four
percent
annual
increase
through
fiscal
year.
Forty
and
then
you
know,
as
I've
said
before,
in
the
public
meetings
paying
for
the
capital
program,
we
would
roughly
pay
50/50
or
in
this
case
fifty
three
percent
pay
go
47
percent
bonding,
and
this
gives
us
a
lot
of
flexibility
and
the
flexibility
it
gives
us
the
more
successful
we
are
to
get
outside
money,
the
more
we
can
do
with
pay
go
and
so
that
that
really
helps.
J
Okay,
this
is
a
slide
to
compare
an
average
customer
with
the
300
million
for
the
alternative
water
supply
projects
shown
in
green
on
top
and
the
without
the
300
million
shown
in
blue
in
the
bottom
and
starts
out
where
this
would
not
kick
in
until
you're.
Three,
because
that
300
million
cash
flow
didn't
start
on
the
construction
until
year.
Three
and.
J
That
increase
for
that
first
year,
that
gap
is
78
cents,
so
fairly
modest
and
it
it
increases
gradually
all
the
way
to
2040
and
then
the
the
difference
or
the
delta.
There
is
three
dollars
and
31
cents
in
2040,
so
but
it's
monthly
and
you
multiply
it
by
12,
and
it
can
certainly
help
and
one
last
thing
before
I
leave
this
slide.
It's
a
reminder
that
our
peer
group
average
right
now
is
80
dollars
and
thirty
cents.
Ours
is
down
at
forty
one
dollars
and
twenty-nine
cents
and
I've
got
a
little
more
detailed.
J
This
slide
was
added
since
the
community
meetings,
based
on
some
feedback
that
we
received
at
two
of
the
meetings
and
it's
a
representation
of
a
medium-high
user
at
the
top
shown
in
green,
the
average
user
that
we
have
been
showing
at
every
meeting
and
then
a
lower
user
that
has
one
or
two
persons
in
the
household
and
does
not
irrigate,
does
not
have
out
irrigation
system
at
200
cubic
feet
per
month.
The
average
again
is
800
cubic
feet
per
month,
average
customer
and
then
the
customer
at
the
top
is
is
I,
say
medium,
Heidi
user.
J
J
J
J
Alright,
we
get
into
Vanessa's
area
back
here
the
customer
assistance
program
and
who
qualifies
well
a
big
change
in
in
this
slide
from
what
you
saw
before.
This
is
low
income,
less
than
30
percent
of
the
average
median
median
income,
and
instead
of
30
percent,
plus
elderly
or
30%
plus
disabled
and
as
you'll
see
in
a
minute
the
numbers
change
dramatically
at
the
other
four
qualifications.
It
has
to
be
a
residential
single-family
individually,
metered
multifamily.
This.
J
This
too,
is
departure
from
the
stormwater
hardship
program
in
that,
if
you
qualify
for
all
these
these
five
bullets
here,
a
renter
can
qualify
for
this
program.
A
renter
can
qualify
now
that
excludes
section
80
and
Vanessa
will.
If
you
have
questions
on
that,
she
can
have
some
questions
on
that
section.
80
housing
excuse
me
and
then
the
customer
must
live
at
the
address
and
be
the
primary
utility
account
holder.
J
Okay,
so
this
is
the
this
is
the
big
news,
the
old
program
as
I
said:
30%
plus
the
elderly,
30%
plus
disabled?
This
is
the
number
of
households,
a
maximum
number
of
households
that
could
qualify
for
this
program.
The
way
we
were
proposing
it
in
the
last
couple
months.
The
new
proposal
by
the
mayor
is
30%
ami
only
the
number
of
potentially
qualified
households
quadruples.
J
J
And
finally,
the
benefits
of
the
program
all
base
charges
will
be
waived
and,
and
that
would
continue
every
year-
you'll
have
a
free,
personalized
water
conservation
audit.
So
the
lady
you
see
on
the
right,
her
name
is
Julia
and
she
was
in
the
back,
as
you
know,
giving
away
free
water
saving
kits
at
those
meetings,
and
she
will
actually
go
to
your
home
and
give
you
tips
on
how
to
save
water
and
I.
J
Tell
you
what,
if
you
conserve
water,
that's
money
in
your
pocket,
and
you
know
that
means
because
what
you're
you
know
if
you've
had
your
weight
base
charge
is
waived.
Then
you
have
a
consumption
rate
left.
You
can
control
the
consumption
rate.
You
can't
control
the
base
charge.
Then.
Finally,
you
can
see
she's
delivering
a
free
water
saving
kit.
You
know
to
this
customer
and
as
part
of
the
audit
and
then
with
that
I'll
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Vanessa
McCleary,
who
is
the
Housing
and
Community
Development
Manager?
That's
a.
M
Good
evening,
Vanessa
Claire,
a
housing
community
element
manager,
city
of
Tampa,
so
we
will
in
Housing
and
Community
Development,
administer
this
program
much
like
we
do
with
the
storm
water
program
and
when
we
are
administering
these
programs.
One
of
the
other
benefits
that's
not
mentioned
here
is
that
we
try
to
find
if
there
are
other
services
that
the
individual
needs
that
we
can
provide
so
but
the
stormwater
program
we
require
because
it
is
for
owner-occupied,
we
require
them
to
be
homesteaded,
and
then
we
will
look
at
if
they
do
not
have
the
senior
benefit.
M
We
encourage
them
to
get
that,
because
it's
more
of
a
savings
than
the
stormwater.
We
will
also
ask
them
if
they
have
repair
needs
and
refer
them
to
our
owner-occupied
rehab.
With
this
program,
the
population
will
be
much
larger,
so
we
will
be
working
with
all
homeowners
and
renters
and
within
housing
and
community
development.
We
are
aware
of
programs
that
can
assist,
so
we
will
be
providing
that
additional
assistance.
M
We
will
take
them
through
the
application
process.
We
are
currently
in
the
process
of
getting
some
additional
software
to
make
the
online
process
easier.
We
also
do
applications
in
our
office.
If
we
run
into
someone
who
cannot
come
into
the
office,
we
do
have
staff
that
will
go
out
and
take
the
application
in
the
field.
We
also
work
at
different
satellite
locations,
so
we
work
out
of
d3
in
East
Tampa,
so
that
we
are
more
conveniently
located
we're
familiar
with
the
water
conservation
program.
We
do
work
with
Julie
a
lot
when
we
have
outreach
events.
J
So
last
slide
is
scheduled
and
we
have
one
one
bit
change
on
this
slide
and
the
other
the
first
four
bullets
you
have
seen
the
the
fourth
bullet
is
tonight's
public
hearing
the
last
bullet.
However,
we
we
changed
from
the
first
billing
cycle
in
October
to
the
first
billing
cycle
in
November
for
three
reasons:
one
we
had
when
we
needed
to
make
this
change.
J
Last
week
we
didn't
know
where
the
hurricane
hurricane
gorian
was
going,
and
secondly,
we
obviously
have
to
test
extensively
our
new
utility
management
system
to
make
sure
we
get
that
right
and
ability
the
bills
go
out
right
and
third,
with
changes
to
the
customer
assistance
program.
We
want
to.
You
know,
go
through
that
and
make
sure
that
is
right.
J
So
we
made
the
decision
to
add
a
month
because
of
those
three
things
and
I
think
that's
the
right
decision,
and
with
that
that
is
the
last
slide
and
will
Jan
you
want
to
close
with
okay
yeah.
Thank
you
very
much.
We
will
be
here
to
answer
questions.
Our
wastewater
director,
Eric
Weiss,
is
here
to
answer
the
like
some
wastewater
questions.
Chuck
Weber
is
here
director
of
water
department
and
then,
of
course,
our
CFO
Jennifer
hero
is
here
as
well.
Thank
you.
K
Wellness
procedural
item,
J
McLean
offices,
city
attorney.
What
I
have
in
front
of
me
and
I
will
hand
to
Marty
is
the
new
exhibits
that
reflect
the
revisions
to
the
customer
assistance
program.
The
exhibit
C
will
be
the
new
exhibit
that
will
replace
the
Exhibit
C
that
I
sent
out
to
you
yesterday
for
the
wastewater
resolution
and
the
exhibit
D.
It's
the
exact
same
language,
because
it's
the
same
customer
assistance
program,
but
it's
Exhibit
D
and
a
resolution.
So
I
just
wanted
you
to
make
sure
that
you
had
that
in
hand.
K
C
A
H
You
I
just
wanted
to
start
out
by
thanking
the
mayor
and
chief
of
staff
and
and
the
the
staff
in
the
city.
We've
talked
over
and
over
again
about
having
a
collegial
relationship
between
City
Council
and
the
and
the
mayor's
office
and
staff,
and
last
week
was
kind
of
rough
for
which
I
apologize,
but
the
the
feedback
we
got
from
the
public
was
loud
and
clear
that
they
didn't
want
the
the
TAT
project
and
they
wanted
us
to
work
to
to
increase
the
number
of
people
who
were
available
for
eligible
for
the
customer
assistance
program.
H
And
we
sent
that
in
the
form
of
two
resolutions
to
you
all
and
you
all
responded
and,
and
did
that
and
we've
gotten
lots
of
accolades
at
least
I've
gotten
lots
of
accolades
today
from
the
community
and
I'm
sure
you
all
have
as
well.
I
think
it's
a
good
sign,
that
of
being
able
to
work
together
and
especially
I'm
thankful
I've,
seen
this
presentation
out
four
times,
because
I
went
to
three
of
the
public
meetings.
It's
a
much
better
presentation
and
the
slides
are
better
clearer
and,
and
you
all
crunch,
those
numbers
quickly.
H
A
A
I
have
no
preference,
I
mean
to
be
honest,
we
can
I,
tell
you
what
is
everyone?
Okay
with
doing
public
comment
first
and
then
engage
you
in
questions.
Okay,
I
have
no
problem.
Okay,
let's
go
forward
public
comment.
If
you
are
here
to
publicly
comment
on
this
public
hearing,
please
at
this
time
stand
up
and
so
recognize
and
come
forward,
and
so
we
know
how
many
people
are
here
to
speak
here
tonight
and
public
comment.
If
you
could,
please
raise
your
hand,
okay,
I,
see.
A
C
We
also
appreciate
that
more
income
families,
more
low-income
families
would
be
able
to
get
assistance
with
their
utility
bills.
We
understand
that
the
city
can't
continue
to
lose
water
from
leaks
and
breaks.
So,
even
though
that's
going
to
cut
not
gonna
be
cheap
or
easy.
We
do
support
the
piper
project
in
principle
and
we
look
forward
to
working
with
you
over
fall
and
sustainable
infrastructure
for
Tampa.
A
I
Go
ahead
sure
all
right,
I'm,
Bukhari
I,
was
actually
you
know,
disappointed
to
hear
about
the
rate
increase
for
this
matter,
especially
considering
that
this
is
you've
been
a
long
time.
It's
been
very
long
time.
This
has
been
going
on
way
before
you
got
to
even
have
neat
seats.
So
what
was
going
on
with
the
funding
men
to
take
care
of
this
matter
when
he
showed
that
slide?
They
had
like
maybe
fifty
fifty
miles
of
pipe
from
1900
to
1930.
I
That
was
in
the
red
I
mean
that's
something
that's
critical
that
need
to
be
a
place
that
could
be
worked
on
right
away.
The
other
stuff
can
be
kind
of
tapered
off
for
a
little
time
again,
you
can
still
find
different
funding
sources.
I
just
feel
like
I
mean
you
guys
are
notorious
for
shuffling
funds
around
all
the
time
anyway.
So
why
isn't
it
doubt
that
you
can't
find
funding
somewhere
else?
I
Some
other
alternate
sources
before
the
besides
saying:
oh,
let's
just
hang
on
to
the
citizens
of
the
city
and
make
them
pay
double,
but
they
would
normally
be
paying.
That's
just
not
just
seem
a
bit
unfair
to
me.
Secondly,
I
saw
they
mentioned
this
new
funding.
There's
customer
assistance
program,
not
everybody
is
on
it
and
if
you
only
need
assistance,
you
own
it
your
own
family.
More
than
just
that
property.
You
ringing
two
people,
that's
what
that
data
ones.
I
We
need
their
systems,
so
I
mean
you
think,
you're
helping
somebody
here,
assisting
the
people
that
you're,
not
the
people,
that
you
really
really
need
to
help
with
the
program,
not
getting
assistance
because
they
said,
if
I
own
the
place
I'm
most
likely
fit
outside
that
meeting.
So
I'm
not
gonna,
be
alone,
30
percent.
So
who
exactly?
Are
you
talking?
Who
are
you
graduate
assistant
and
say
what
I'm
saying
so
I
mean
I
understand
you
guys
made
efforts
to
go
from
just
elderly
and
just
disabled
to
a
more
general
populace,
but
you
really
like.
I
I
The
only
not
living
that
so
he
not
the
one
paying
you
like,
you're,
not
the
one
paying
utilities
so
I,
just
don't
think
the
criteria
is
fair,
so
customer
assistance
program
but
I
mean,
if
you
stop
being
in
these
tax
exemptions,
do
these
property
for
these
big
corporations
or
the
Hilton
and
all
these
other
people.
You
probably
have
some
funding
to
pay
for
these
fighters.
B
I
I
guess
it's
for
Miss
McLaren
I
want
to
be
clear
because
I
know
a
lot
of
my
crustaceans
gonna
be
concerned
about
that,
because
I
know
we
have
a
high
volume
of
runners
and
certain
takes
in
the
fighting.
Explain
me
the
programmer.
Did
their
winters
I
want
to
make
sure
I'm
clear
on
that
sorry
explain
the
criteria
for
the
program
for
energy.
Thirty.
I
N
A
I
F
F
M
Is
based
on
household
size
and
for
2019,
and
so
the
area
median
income
is
defined
by
HUD
and
we
get
those
numbers.
Usually
we
take
the
first
list
that
they
provide
at
the
beginning
of
the
year.
They
will
update
those
numbers
throughout
the
year,
but
that
becomes
problematic
so
the
first
time
they
introduce
the
numbers.
We
take
those
numbers.
M
F
M
M
M
Way,
one
is
family
of
114
thousand
fifty
dollars,
and
these
are
also
on
our
website
on
Tampa
golf
net
backslash,
eight
CD.
You
go
to
housing
programs
and
there's
a
button
that
says
income
limits,
family
of
two
would
be
sixteen
thousand
nine
hundred
and
ten
a
family
of
three
would
be
twenty
one
thousand
three
hundred
and
thirty
dollars.
A
family
of
four
would
be
twenty
five
thousand
seven
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
a
family
of
five
would
be
thirty
thousand
one
hundred
and
seventy
dollars.
F
M
I
just
wanted
to
again
say
that
we
take
the
first
set
of
numbers
that
come
out
for
the
year.
Sometimes
they
come
out
in.
Usually
they
come
out.
January
February
lately
with
the
administration
they've
come
out
later,
so
the
numbers
we
got
came
out
in
April.
We
accept
those,
they
recently
updated
the
numbers
in
June
and
they
were
slightly
lower,
but
we
do
not
adjust.
We
only
adjust
one
time
a
year.
Okay,.
M
F
F
Let's
talk
about
this
landlord
issue
because
the
gentleman
in
the
back
I'm
sorry
I
missed
his
name,
but
but
he
car
thank
you.
He
he
was
heading
in
a
certain
direction
and
then
we
all
I
think
veer
atolls,
but
I
think
what
he
was
talking
about
is
passed
through.
In
other
words,
we're
not
allowing
landlords
to
apply
for
this
correct,
correct.
M
F
The
what
said,
if
you
have
a
landlord,
let's
say
landlord,
owns
a
quad,
okay
and
sometimes
in
those
situations,
it
might
be
a
single
meter.
The
landlord
pays.
It
he's
got
to
pass
that
through
to
this
four
tenants.
That's
not
an
unusual
situation
right,
okay,
okay,
in
that
situation,
when,
if
and
when
that
happened,
that
landlord,
if
you
chose
to
pass
it
through
as
opposed
to
being
mr.
friendly,
it's
going
to
go
to
those
four
tenants.
You
know
in
a
height
to
their
rent.
M
M
F
F
Enact
in
my
scenario,
a
landlord
if
it
passes
it
on
which
is
more
than
likely
in
my
opinion,
my
life
experience.
The
landlord
is
going
to
pass
on
everything
that
he
that
comes
to
him,
taxes,
insurance,
water
hikes
rate
hikes
things
like
that.
I'm
gonna
pass
it
through
to
those
tenants
and
those
tenants
will
not
have
any
recourse
correct
in.
F
M
F
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
clear
on
clear
up
clear
on
on
some
of
these
scenarios.
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
the
mayor
has
adjusted
the
program
you
and
the
mayor
and
whoever
else
worked
on
this
adjusted
the
program,
but
I
think
it's
a
really
important
for
council
date
to
hear
exactly
what
those
dollar
amounts
are.
F
I
M
F
M
F
M
M
Mean
you
want
to
have
some
standard
for
how
you're
selecting
the
number,
because
every
year,
if
you
would
need
it
to
change,
because
it's
the
cost-of-living
changes
and
the
numbers
change.
So
if
you
have
a
standard
I'm,
not
sure
what
other
standards
you
would
use,
that's
just
the
one
I'm
familiar
with,
and
we
it
comes
out
every
year.
I
know
how
to
get
it.
Anybody
who
wants
to
get
it
can
also
go
to
the
same
source
and
get
it
it's
not
something
that
we
did
here
locally
for
anybody
to
challenge
the
calculation.
I
Just
feel,
like
you
know
again,
we
always
have
a
gap
and
I
just
look
at
to
elderly
people
and
they
getting
that
close
to
where
they
just
one
year
they
make
$17,000.
Now
they
can't
get
any
assistance,
any
assistance
at
all,
but
they're
elderly
they're
not
making
any
other
type
of
income.
It's
not
growing
so
now,
they're
in
that
gap,
so
again
they're
they're,
elderly
65,
70
years
old
I
mean
so
my.
M
Eyes
do
not
disagree
with
people,
because
my
office
is
the
one
that,
when
that
person
is
slightly
over
has
to
say
no
and
it's
not
something
that
we
take
lightly,
and
it's
not
something
that's
easy
to
do
when
you
know
that
a
family
is
struggling,
I'm
simply
going
to
implement
the
program.
However,
it's
decided,
you
know
if
you'd
like
me,
to
give
you
the
numbers
for
50
percent
I
can
give
you
that,
but
this
council
has
to
make
a
decision
on
how
you
want
that
program
and
I
will
employ.
However,
Thank
You
councilman.
H
To
two
quick
questions
related
to
this
mm-hmm,
what
you
all
must
have
done
some
kind
of
modeling
to
anticipate
what
the
other
assistance
program
cost
I
remember
quickly.
Were
there
three
thousand
people
eligible
or
2,900
something
like
that,
but
you
must
have
had
some
model
to
figure
out
how
much
that
would
cost
a
year
and
then
now
you've
increased
it
to
twenty
nine
thousand.
So
do
you
know
what
the
additional
cost
is
to
the
city
and
it
in
in
the
decision
to
expand
it.
E
Good
evening,
council,
Dennis,
Pajero
interim
chief
financial
officer,
yes,
as
presented
to
you,
the
anticipated
maximum
impact
to
the
city
of
Tampa
in
the
initial
year,
is
approximately
1.4
million
dollars
and,
if
I
could
add
just
a
little
bit
of
the
tail
on
that
with
this
setup,
you
know
it
it.
It
has
to
be
absorbed
by
the
general
fund.
The
same
fund
that
we're
often
emphasizing
in
terms
of
not
only
what
our
most
flexible
funding
source
is
but
again
you'll
recall
the
the
very
recent
discussion
discussion
about
the
sensitivity
we
feel
of
those
particular
reserves.
H
H
Then
I
don't
know
if
mr.
Cleary
or
you
would
be
the
best
for
this,
but
it
is
it
possible
or
do
we
have
in
other
programs
a
an
emergency
assistance
program
if
somebody's
lost
their
job
for
a
temporary
amount
of
time
that
we
cover
them
for
a
short
period
of
time.
We
in
the
beginning
of
all
this,
we
talked
about
like
a
universal
fund.
Is
there
something
like
that
that
we
have
to
help
people
get
through
a
gap,
not.
F
F
Very
familiar,
but
my
question:
I've
got
a
couple
of
questions
as
related
to
the
rate
hike,
and
let
me
let
me
start
out
by
saying
y'all
have
done
a
really
good
job.
I
actually
read
through
all
these
master
plans.
Chuck
and
Eric
sent
them
to
me.
Thank
you
by
email
and
and
I've
read
through
them.
I
think
they're,
very
comprehensive.
F
You
know
some
of
them
are
amazingly
technical,
which
some
of
them
went
over
my
head
in
terms
of
the
plant
operations
and
the
choices,
the
choices
that
might
be
needed
to
be
made
in
terms
of
options,
certain
options
and
that
sort
of
thing
I,
don't
know
that
those
are
totally
nailed
down
yet
and
I'm,
not
really
sure
which
direction
you
nailed
them
down,
but
we
can
get
to
that
in
a
little
bit,
but
going
back
to
oh
and
the
other.
The
other
issue
is
need.
I
totally
agree
with
the
need.
F
I
agree
that
we
have
pipes
collapsing,
I,
agree:
we've
got
preventative
maintenance
at
both
plants
in
the
pumping
stations,
etc.
So
I
just
want
to
be
abundantly
clear
on
those
issues
before
I.
Ask
some
tough
questions,
but
you
can
handle
it,
but
in
prior
years,
when
you've
asked
for
rate
hikes
okay,
how
long?
How
long
did
they
last
the
rate
hikes
so
in.
J
J
Those
increases
were
very
modest,
the
3
3%
kind
of
increases,
and
so
the
first
year
your
revenues
were
higher
than
your
needs,
and
you
were
able
to.
You
know,
do
well
on
that
second
year,
if
you
barely
about
broke
even
on
the
third
year,
you
weren't
receiving
enough
revenue
to
make
the
improvements.
What's.
F
What's
blowing
my
mind
here,
is
this
20
year?
Ask
ok,
yes,
because
I
think
it's
unprecedented
yeah!
That
was
my
recollection
that
we
typically
in
the
past,
it
was
somewhere
in
the
neighborhood
of
three
to
five
years
of
rate
hikes.
You
just
said
it
was
basically
three
years
per
department
right,
all
of
a
sudden
we're
looking
we're
looking
for
a
20
year
rate
hike
commitment
not
only
from
well
initially
from
this
council
and
then
ultimately
from
you
know
from
the
community.
F
If
this
council
votes
for
me,
that's
what's
sort
of
blowing
my
mind
and
I
know:
we've
had
discussions
in
the
past
about
you
know
bond
to
built.
You
know,
bond
issues
and
bond
ability
and
that
sort
of
thing
and
and
I
know
you
want
to
keep
this
50
50
%
pay-as-you-go
versus
bonding,
but
I
guess
my
core
question
is
going
to
be
and
I'd
liked
it.
If
you
could
throw
up
that
chart
kind
of
looks
like
this
bread
and
you.
C
C
F
F
Iii
can't
calculate
exactly
how
much
money
that
is,
but
it
represents
a
lot
of
great
stuff
that
needs
to
be
done
that
we
could
do
within
the
first
five
years
and
the
other
reason
I
pick
five
years.
Mr.
Shelby
was
reminding
me
of
this
the
other
day,
not
as
related
to
this
issue,
but
our
our
typical
CIP
capital
improvement
plans.
As
I
recall
our
five-year
plans,
we
look
out
five
years,
see
what's
needed
plan
for
it.
F
Dennis
does
his
number
crunching
for
it,
everybody
gets
geared
up
for
it.
Council
approves
it
I
think
we're.
We
just
approved
it
the
other
night
on
the
first
reading,
and
then
we
go
from
there
on
a
five-year
basis.
So
again,
I
don't
understand
the
compelling
reason,
even
though
the
master
plans
clearly
tell
us
what
we
could
do.
You
know
to
me
it's
a
little
bit
like
and
you
and
I
have
raised
a
bunch
of
children
you
more
than
me,
but
but
it's
kind
of
like
you
know,
you're
the
kids.
F
You
know
what
they
want,
not
to
say
your
kid
or
anything,
even
though
you
wish
but
a
kid
saying
what
they
want
versus
what
they
need
and
and
I
would
argue
that
a
five-year
commitment
and
a
five
year
and
the
accommodated
the
the
associated
five-year
rate
hike,
which
is
not
insignificant,
giving
you
the
base
rate
that
you
want.
You
know
in
those
first
Exum's,
you
know
five
years,
giving
you
the
ER.
F
You
increase
that
you're
looking
for
for
those
five
years,
I'm,
not
really
changing
anything
but
sort
of
cutting
it
there
and
then
regrouping
or
even
after
two
or
three
years
to
see
how
things
are
going
and
then
and
then
come
back
to
to
look
at
an
additional
X
number
of
years.
So
we
can
keep
leap.
Project
I,
I,
haven't
heard
a
compelling
reason
to
to
look
at
twenty
years
a
20-year
commitment
and
what
and
the
other
part
of
the
20-year
commitment
that
concerns
me
in
this.
C
F
Yes,
okay,
I
think,
that's
it!
So
look
at
the
black
dot
on
the
Left,
which
is
the
eighty
eighty
dollar
peer
group
I
recognize
that's
in
today's
dollars,
right,
okay,
and
so
everybody
would
be
anticipated
to
increase
somewhat.
We
don't
know
exactly
what
mm-hmm,
maybe
just
three
percent
every
year,
something
like
that,
but
but
anyway,
so
if
you
go
across
that
$80
peer
group,
where
do
we?
Where
does
that
hit
your
proposal?
Well,
interestingly
enough,
it
hits
right
around
the
five
years.
J
F
And
a
half
I'll
give
you
that
okay,
but
if
bottom
line
is
I'm
not
that
far
off
that's
five
or
six
years,
six
years,
six
and
a
half
years,
and
that's
when
we,
you
know
get
right
into
the
average
they're
given
they'd
be
up
a
little
bit
more
because
over
the
years
everybody
will
be
growing
up.
But
if
we
say
if
we
say
okay,
let's
just
stick
with
this
20-year
plan.
Folks
word
forty
$1.29
right
now
and
the
20-year
plan
talks
about
tripling
almost
triple
so
so.
F
F
J
All
right
three
parts
to
that.
First
of
all,
the
four
master
plans
are
20-year
master
plans.
Yes,
secondly,
that
the
20-year
expenditures
that
we're
proposing
get
you
caught
up
at
that
twenty
years.
You
are
not
caught
up
at
ten
years
or
five
years
and
matter
of
fact,
and
you
have
still
a
lot
of
infrastructure.
J
That's
beyond
is
useful
light
and
again
it's
more
expensive
to
be
reactive,
so
you
would
have
a
lot
more
reactive,
and
so
what
you
want
to
do
is
get
caught
up
at
the
end
of
that
twenty
years,
customized
a
year
or
two
and
and
then
start
being
proactive,
more
and
more
and
more
being
80%
proactive,
not
80
percent
reactive
and
getting
ahead
of
that
getting
ahead
of
that
curve.
Getting
you
know
those
things
replaced
because
I
remind
you.
J
We
started
putting
in
a
lot
of
pipe
yes
after
World
War
two,
but
the
these
lines
and
the
miles
of
pipe
we
put
in
in
the
60s
I'm.
Sorry,
50s,
60s,
70s
80s,
it's
a
lot
of
pipe
and
you
want
to
be
ahead
of
that.
It's
even
more
pipe
and
then
those
pipes
are
80
years
old.
You
don't
want
to
be
replacing
those
pipes
at
100
years
old,
because
you'll
still
be
just
as
reactive,
so
that
that's
the
second
reason.
The
third
reason
is:
if
I
can.
J
Go
down
to
the
slide,
I
remind
you
that
when
we,
when
we
get
into
the
out
years,
we
have
when
we
get
past
the
first.
What
is
this
I'm?
Sorry,
especially
for
on
the
consumption
rate,
increases
when
you
get
past
the
first
floor,
not
including
the
first
two.
You
have
four
years
five
years
that
are
above
that
three
percent
you
mentioned
after
that
is
one
percent
for
fiscal
year.
Forty,
it's
it's!
C
F
E
F
Series
you,
you
might
do
a
five-year
package
and,
and
then
another
five-year
package
and
another
five-year
package,
so
you're
not
gonna
get
a
better
rate
necessarily
on
that
second
year,
six
through
ten,
just
because
we've
approved
it
in
advance.
Now
what
I
think
maybe
you're
missing
my
point
mmm-hmm.
My
point
is
I'm
not
saying,
and
can
you
go
back
to
the
big,
the
the
one
that
has
the
bank.
C
J
E
C
F
Okay,
I'm
not
saying
that
a
Council,
four
or
five
years
from
now
wouldn't
continue
this
program,
because
it's
a
well
thought
out
programmed
okay,
the
based
upon
a
good,
comprehensive
master
plans,
etc.
One
of
the
thing
that
concerns
me
is
there
a
recession
all
right.
You
know,
there's
a
there's,
a
very
good
reason
that
you
didn't
stand
in
front
of
the
council
four
or
five
six
years
ago,
you
know
in
the
middle
of
the
recession,
are
coming
out
of
the
recession
with
the
program
the
beads,
the
needs
were
still
there.
F
The
needs
have
been
there
all
along,
but
you
you
wouldn't
have
done
it
because
it
it
wouldn't
have
been
fair
to
the
community.
It
wouldn't
have
been
smart.
It
wouldn't
have
been
anything
and
that's
why
you
didn't
do
it
and
that's
why
that
mayor
didn't
do
it
now
things
are
okay,
although
there's
little
whispers
of
recession,
that
scares
all
of
us,
I
think
and
some
some
council
member
mentioned
it
the
other
day.
F
But
what
concerns
me
again
is
you're.
Looking
for
this
20-year
commitment
that
has
you
know.
Typically,
it
doesn't
have
an
out
clause
necessarily
and
an
escape
and
escape
valve.
I
haven't
heard
of
that
in
this
in
this
program
and
what
if
there
was
a
recession,
two
or
three
years
from
now
and
yet
we've
still
now,
we've
got
a
20-year
commitment
as
opposed
to
a
five-year
commitment
I'm,
it's
kind
of
ironic,
because
I
don't
consider
myself
a
overly
conservative
guy,
but
I'm
kids,
but
I'm.
J
If
I,
if
I,
could
address
that
a
little
bit,
yeah
councilman,
Keller
and
I
appreciate
your
time.
We
are
our
recession.
As
you
recall,
last
time
was
basically
2007
through
2010.
Our
last
rate
increases
were
from
2007
to
2011,
so
we
we
kept
those
and-
and
those
were
I-
don't
have
those
off
the
top
of
my
head
and
maybe
Mike
Perry
does,
but
they
were.
J
They
were
more
on
a
consumption
rate
increase
than
we're
proposing
here
in
those
final
ten
years
so
and
we
did
not
suspend
those
rate
increases
and
if
we
wouldn't
have
had
them,
we
would
have
been
in
more
of
a
you
know.
We
would
have
been
hurting
a
lot
more
right
now.
So
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
we
did
go
through
the
recession,
with
the
rate
increases
four
five.
You
didn't.
F
Correct
me:
if
I'm
wrong,
though
I
don't
think
you
came
to
council
when
the
recession
you
know
after
President
Obama
came
into
office
and
everybody
knew
we
were
in
deep.
You
know
what,
when
all
the
banks
were
crashing
and
everything
else,
I
don't
think
you
came
to
council
and
asked
for
an
increase.
After
that
point
it
was,
it
was
2007
and
I
said
he
got
sworn
in
2008
and
that
it
was
at
the
end
of
2007
that
the
that
all
the
banks
were
crashing
and
everybody
knew
that
there
was
severe
problems.
J
F
F
J
Last
biggest
was
after
how
it
have
current
facility
when
we
expanded
from
sixty
to
ninety
six
million
gallons
a
day,
and
that
was
about
a
hundred
and
twenty
million
dollars,
but
the
last
one
before
that
was
in
the
1970s
when
we
expanded
and
built
the
advanced
wastewater
treatment
plant
down
on
hookers
point
at
time,
called
hookers
point
of
athletes
were
plant.
It
was
about
100
million
dollars
in
sin,
1970s
numbers
it
was
more
than
what
it
cost
to
build:
the
Tampa
International
Airport.
F
So
five,
if
this
council
gave
you
five
years
approval
tonight,
we're
not
being
stingy
we're
given
you
know
we're
authorizing
you
to
have
rate
hikes
and
I'm,
not
even
saying
change
those
rate
hikes,
I'm,
just
saying
truncated,
I'm
at
five
years,
we're
giving
you
rate
hikes
that
pay,
as
Dennis
said
somewhere
in
the
neighborhood
of
a
billion
dollars
instead
of
the
2.9.
Now
that
it
doesn't
say
that
you
can't
come
back
like
I,
say
it
three
years
from
now
or
something
like
that
say
boy,
we
are
doing
great
we're
managing
this
program.
F
A
F
F
Where
is
he
running?
Are
you
anyway?
I
have
I
had
wmb
concerns
on
this
or
not
really
concerns,
but
what
I've
said
to
you
Brad
on
several
occasions
is
this:
is
this?
Is
a
three
billion
or
a
1
billion
dollar
opportunity
for
us
to
to
make
great
strides
on
our
women
and
minority
business
enterprise
program
much
better
than
we
have
in
the
past,
and
that's
just
my
opinion
and
because
it's
such
a
huge
chunk
of
money,
some
of
that
a
lot
of
that
money
should
stay
within
the
community.
F
A
lot
of
that
money
should
be
into
the
african-american
community.
In
the
you
know,
other
minority
compartes
of
our
community
and
I
haven't
heard
the
first
word
on
that
in
terms
of
how
we're
gonna
do
it,
what
we're
gonna
do
better.
You
know
what
our
goal
is.
Is
it
a
20%
goal?
Is
it
a
25%
goal
and
Howard
just
how
we're
going
to
improve
our
ourselves
in
that
regard,.
J
Okay,
if
I
may
address
that
in
our
opinion
and
I
had
I've
had
discussions
with
Gregory
hard
on
this.
A
few
things
the
design-build
process,
I
think,
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
really
improve
on
that
and
we're
working
together
with
the
departments
to
be
able
to
do
that.
You,
you
know
the
goals
are
set
project-by-project
depending
on
what
the
opportunities
are
in
those
projects.
So
you
know
some
are
going
to
be
more
than
others,
some
you,
you
may
be
well
up
to
50%
and
some
down,
you
know
quite
a
bit
lower.
J
F
J
J
J
J
We
have
like
you
say
we
have
add
staff
I,
don't
know
if
it's
in
that
area
or
not,
but
I
want
to
add
that
Greg
Hart
is
in
every
one
of
those
consultants.
Competitive
negotiations
at
selection
I
serve
as
chairman,
and
we
have
that
long
discussion
after
those
presentations
after
every
single
one
of
those,
and
he
is
confident
that
we
can
really
increase
that
participation
through
this
program,
pretty
excited
about
it.
But.
F
J
F
F
F
F
B
D
N
N
N
With
the
you
know,
the
territory
we
have
within
city
limits
and
the
needs
that
we
have
since
I
began
here
in
2015,
I,
would
see
and
hear
of
daily
water
main
breaks
and
I
would
hear
it
from
the
people
in
my
district.
Oh,
this
street
is
closed
again,
because
the
water
main
break
one
night
as
I
was
walking
into
the
movie
theater
last
year.
I
think
it
was
the
wrong
water
main
break.
Oh,
you
need
to
get
down
there.
What
am
I
going
to
do
when
there's
water
gushing
into
people's
houses?
N
You
know
the
city
is
out
there,
fixing
it
and
whatnot,
but
it's
a
daily
occurrence.
You
know
I
go
on
Twitter
and
Facebook,
and
all
the
different
social
media
accounts
with
the
city
and
it's
road
closure
until
water
main
break
water,
main
break
and
because
I
love,
history
and
I
usually
bring
up
something
historical
and
because
it
showed
the
chart
of
the
age
of
the
pipes.
Mayor,
Curtis,
Dickson
back
in
the
40s
and
50s
was
known
as
a
big
Public
Works
expansion,
investment
mayor-
and
you
mentioned
those.
N
Those
pipes-
are
now
approaching
70
80
years
old.
My
grandmother
is
92
born
in
1927
and
we
have
pipes
that
are
fail
in
clay
pipes
that
are
older
than
she
is.
You
know,
but
you
can
only
repair
so
much
and
infrastructure
is
so
important
and
I
go
back
to
2016
and
voting
for
the
stormwater
assessment,
because
it
was
a
neat.
It
was
an
expensive
need,
but
we
were
dealing
with
constant
flooding
issues
at
so
many
of
the
intersections
and
areas
that
you
know
all
about.
N
So
when
it
comes
to
this,
although
it's
a
historical,
huge
investment,
that's
the
key
word
is
investment,
and
when
we
talk
about
five-year
looking
out
at
five-year
or
30-year
when
you
bond
something
you
know
you
need
to
look
at
the
you
know
you
get
a
better
rate
at
thirty
years:
it
costs
money,
it
costs
interest
and
whatnot,
but
we
need
to
look
at
the
future.
We
need
to
look
at
taking
care
of
these
pipes
and
not
you
know,
fix
as
they
break
and
spending
all
that
I
mean
we're
essentially
throwing
money
away.
N
Every
year
yeah
last
year
we
spent
so
much
the
year
before
is
a
little
bit
less,
but
constant
water
main
breaks
this
repair
necessity.
So
I'm
happy
to
support
this
I
understand
you
know:
tap
was
taken
out
which
I
appreciate,
which
I
have
yet
to
meet.
Anyone
I
think
I
saw
someone
on
social
media
say
that
they
would
have
supported
it,
but
I
couldn't
get
anybody
to
buy
into
it.
Nobody
I
couldn't
convince
anybody.
You
expanded
the
customer
assistance
program
which
is
much
appreciative
because
we
have
to
think
about
our
lowest
income.
N
You
know
working
families
that
that
do
struggle,
but
we're
doing
the
best
that
we
can
or
the
administration
is
showing
you
know
their
best
effort
and,
most
importantly,
you've
been
responsive
to
what
council
has
asked
from
tap
to
this
to
what
not-
and
we
appreciate
that
so
I
think
the
mayor
is
doing
a
good
job.
The
administration
on
you
guys,
but
again
this
is
a.
N
This
is
a
need
because
I'm
seeing
it
every
day,
the
water
main
breaks
the
constant
repairs,
the
constant
road
closures
and
I
and
I'm
going
to
say
we
need
to
pave
the
roads
throughout
the
city
of
Tampa.
But
if
we're
constantly
tearing
things
up,
you
know
when
will
we
ever
get
to
that
final
end,
product
of
what
people
want?
So
that's
all
I
have
to
say
I'm,
looking
forward
to
hearing
what
everyone
else
has
to
say,
but
that's
right:
Stan,
Thank,
You,
councilman,
Citroen,.
D
One
one
last
thing
and
Thank:
You
councilman
medicago
I,
look
at
this
project
as
the
future,
not
just
here
not
just
today.
The
future
20
years
from
today
and
I
agree
with
the
councilman
of
Miranda.
It's
time
you
stop
repairing
and
start
replacing.
So
we
have
a
great
base
for
our
future.
I
can
support
this.
H
K
Jam
McLean
office
in
the
city
attorney,
and
we
did
discuss
this
briefly
before
the
count
they
hearing
this
evening
and
I
conferred
with
with
I'm
sorry
Andrea
Zollman,
to
make
sure
that
my
opinion
was
accurate.
These
resolutions
that
you
have
before
you
tonight
are
the
ones
that
set
out
the
framework
for
the
adoption
of
the
braids.
K
So
within
those
plans
and
as
you
have
directed
by
your
vote
last
week,
there
is
no
inclusion
for
alternative
water
supply
money
which
equal
to
300
million
dollars,
which
we
reflected
in
the
exhibit
so
I
would
rather
and
I,
think
that
it's
more
appropriate
legally
to
not
have
some
sort
of
directory
statement
within
the,
whereas
clauses.
As
far
as
what
can
and
cannot
be
used
for,
because
it's
based
on
the
master
water
supply,
excuse
me
on
the
master,
water
and
wastewater
plans
and
that's
what
the
rates
will
be
used
for.
H
You,
the
other,
the
other
question
that
I've
gotten
from
the
public
was
just
to
make
sure
and
again
we
talked
about
this
briefly.
I
just
want
to
say
on
the
record
the
the
decisions
that
are
going
to
be
made
incrementally
along
the
way
with
this
money
they
still
come
before
City
Council,
so
we're
not
taking
away
any
rights
future
City
Council,
because
it's
gonna
go
way
beyond
us
for
20
years.
K
Absolutely
that's
the
strongest
authority
in
that
council
has
whenever
there's
an
expenditure
of
money
for
any
of
these
projects.
The
contracts
are
going
to
come
back
and
for
you,
whether
they're,
the
inclusion
of
the
issues
that
mr.
Deane
failed
to
raise
or
what
they're
exactly
to
be
used
for
that
isn't,
with
the
authority
of
the
approval
of
council
to.
H
Make
one
last
one
last
statement:
I
think
it
was
courageous
of
the
of
the
new
mayor
to
take
on
this
as
that,
as
the
number
one
issue
or
the
biggest
issue
in
the
beginning,
she's
address
a
lot
of
issues
and
made
a
lot
of
changes
which
I'm
very
happy
about,
but
this
showed
political
courage,
because
this
is
not
a
vanity
project.
H
Obviously,
and
she
quotes
mayor
Oreo
I
went
to
three
of
the
four
public
meetings
and
I
saw
her
personally
vouch
for
it,
and
I
saw
the
respect
that
she
had
in
the
encouragement
she
got
from
the
community
and
I
think
if
she's
going
to
stand
out
for
something
that
is
definitely
not
going
to
help
in
anybody's
reelection.
I
want
to
stand
beside
her
and
support
her
in
this.
H
I
I
And
I
look
at
increments
to
make
sure
things
are
flowing
correctly
and
the
projects
going
to
when
I
look
at
other
cities
like
the
city
of
Orlando
I,
look
at
the
numbers
of
minority
contracts,
I
look
at
the
amount
of
money,
you're
asking
and
I
look
at
every
day
when
I
sit
in
this
counselor
Thursday
and
we
talk
about
contracts,
mrs.
Dean
Phyllis
isn't
talked
about.
How
could
my
numbers
are
down
here
or
not
up
here,
a
four-seater
by
size
that
concerns
me
and
later
on
the
down
the
line?
I
I
They've
got
to
do
what
we
want
done
for
our
city
and
I.
Think
I
want
to
make
that
clear.
I'm
gonna
bring
that
up
every
time
until
we
get
it
right
until
we
get
an
order.
So
we
get
something
put
in
place
that
we're
gonna
have
a
standard
and
we
spend
this
kind
of
money.
I
don't
want
hear
people
call
me:
how
can
we
not
get
any
contracts?
I
do
not
want
to
hear
that.
That's
gonna
be
a
problem
for
me
at
fair
enough.
C
B
Understand
what
mr.
dick
felt
that
were
saying
in
the
numbers,
but
at
the
end
you
have
a
start,
and
you
have
an
end
when
you
do
it
in
five
year
increments
or
120
year,
increment,
it's
still
20
years,
and
the
problem
is
that
we
don't
know
if
you
tie
into
something
out
and
I,
don't
know
how
the
procurements
gonna
be,
what
you
guys
are
gonna
do
and
your
department,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
your
department.
So
if
you
tie
it
in
to
price,
you
might
get
a
better
price
now
than
later.
B
I
wholeheartedly
agree
on
the
53:49
anytime.
You
bond
something
in
a
hundred
percent.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
you
only
get
half
of
something
done,
because
the
other
half
will
spend
an
interest.
Even
though
this
has
a
component
of
interest.
It's
certainly
much
softer
than
bonding
out
2.9
billion
dollars.
B
The
rate
of
return
would
be
very
dismal
as
far
as
productivity
and
fixing
the
pipes,
both
on
stormwater
I
mean
on
wastewater
and
in
water,
so
I've
always
supported
water
in
waste
water
20
years
ago.
I
guess
you
and
I
were
the
only
ones.
Around
20
years
ago,
you
and
I
were
talking
about
a
$2
on
each
side.
It
never
happened
for
one
reason
or
another.
B
B
There
is
no
good
time
to
raise
any
rate,
never
weather
you
in
recession
or
you
on
top
of
the
hill,
because
that
hill
moves
on
constant
basis
and
it's
very
difficult
to
do
these
things,
but
that's
not
what
we
got
elected
for
it
and
and
I
understand.
I
hope
the
program
is
administered
like
was
said:
I
hope
that
we
can
get
by
the
individuals
who
own
units-
and
maybe
I,
don't
know.
If
legally
we
can
get,
we
can't
pass
a
law
to
prohibit.
B
Maybe
the
legislature
can
say
if
you're
getting
a
benefit,
because
your
tenants
are
of
less
than
minimum
wage.
What
at
minimum
wage,
then
you
can't
absorb
that
for
yourself,
you
have
to
pass
it
through
I
can't
do
that
I,
don't
believe
I
can
not.
They
call
me
state
legislature
can
do
that
so
I'm
supported
the
project
and
I
continue
to
support
the
project.
Thank
You
councilman.
F
Thanks
for
joining
us
this
evening,
I
had
a
thought
on
this
in
terms
of
reporting.
F
I
think
that,
again,
with
a
project
of
this
magnitude,
I
think
a
quarterly
report
from
Brad
and
whatever
staff
he
wants
to
send
updating
Council
on
every
aspect
of
this
program,
no
matter
how
long
it
is
five
for
20
years
would
be
appropriate,
including
including
the
WME
component,
which
would
you,
as
chief
of
staff,
have
any
objection
to
to
whoever
ends
up
making.
This
motion,
including
a
quarterly
report,
automatic
quarterly
report
for
as
long
as
these
rate
hikes
are
in
effect,
we.
C
C
F
I
think
the
quarter
reports
can
be
really
exciting
in
a
brash
flag
can
show
us
what
we're
accomplishing
I
think
that's
good
for
the
community
again,
like
I,
said
this
afternoon
about
putting
up
signs.
Let's
say
this
is
this
is
where
the
offer
transportation
money
is
going.
Similarly,
the
reports
every
quarter
can
say.
Okay,
we
have
the
great
reads
rate
hikes,
but
this
is
what
we're
accomplishing
and
that's
important.
As
you
say,
as
related
to
accountability,
it's
important
for
all
of
us.
You.
N
K
Jim
McLean
again
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
before
any
motions
are
made,
the
resolutions
that
you
have
before
you.
You
have
a
wastewater
resolution
for
disposal
charges.
You
have
a
water
resolution
for
Inc
rates
with
one
that
was
had
been
substituted
as
of
last
night
and
the
Exhibit
C
and
D
to
them
respectively.
That
was
substituted
earlier
this
evening.
So
those
are
the
documents
on
which
you're
right
and.
A
F
Jan
in
regard
to
timing,
Brad
started
off
the
conversation
by
saying
we're
not
going
to
implement
this
rate
hike
in
October
for
a
variety
of
reasons:
we're
gonna.
Do
it
November?
First,
fine
good.
You
know
whatever
if
this
board
approves
X
tonight,
but
we
tweaked
the
I,
can't
remember
what
Vanessa
called
the
program.
The
anybody
remember.
F
F
I
and
what
I'm
saying
what
I'm
suggesting
is,
if
we
by
motion
in
the
next
couple
of
minutes
again
tweak
it
in
a
manner,
that's
not
typed
up
in
front
of
us,
that's
not
gonna
I
mean
you'd
have
to
come
back
with
a
change
to
resolution,
or
maybe
you
can
even
cross
it
out
here.
I
don't
know,
but
if
we
came
back
next
week,
for
example,
just
to
refine
it
and
do
a
final
final
vote
with
the
substitute
exhibit
that's
not
gonna
mess
up
your
November
first
schedule.
K
If
you
change
the
exhibit
for
the
customer
assistance
program,
if
what
I'm
hearing
you
say,
then
if
you
want
it
changed
between
now
and
next
week,
then
I
would
either
have
to
take
a
recess.
You
would
have
to
make
a
vote.
Take
a
recess
and
I
can
change
it
tonight
or
if
you're
wanting
additional
time,
then
you
would
be
continuing
this
public
hearing
so
that
I
could
do
that
and
be
reflective.
F
I,
don't
care
about
this
from
time.
I
just
want
to.
If
this
board
decided
that
that
motion
is
important,
which
I
think
it
might
be
to
some
of
those
people
that
we
talked
about
fixed
income,
etc
that
it
could
be
done,
and
maybe
it
can
be
done
in
a
10-minute
recess,
I
guess
but
and
specifically
I
don't
mean
to
breathe,
beat
around
the
bush
counsel.
My
motion,
my
motion
is
somebody's
gonna,
make
a
motion
to
approve
this
20
year
plan.
Okay,
it's
obvious
I
heard
it.
F
The
reason
I
don't
think
that's
that
harmful
his
Dennis
was
very
straightforward
when
he
said
that
one
point,
four
million
dollars
out
of
the
general
fund
assumes
a
hundred
percent
participation
and,
and
since
when
does
that
ever
happen,
that
means
every
single
person,
who's
impacted
was
gonna
notice,
an
eight
dollar
increase
on
their
bill
and
they're
gonna
come
running
into
the
city.
To
do
something
about
it.
No,
that's
not
gonna
happen,
so
the
my
point
is
is
we
can
increase?
F
E
You
counsel,
again
Venice
for
her
interim
chief
financial
officer,
mr.
Dingell
Fielden
is
quite
right
that
is
potentially
all
eligible
applicants.
Taking
advantage
of
this
program,
the
caveat
I
would
submit
to
you
is,
however,
as
the
rates
go
up
and
the
revenue
goes
up,
the
cost
to
the
general
fund
goes
up
again.
If
every
single
applicant
takes
advantage
of
this
program,
it'll
be
about
1.4
million
dollars
in
fiscal
year.
Twenty
two
point:
two
million
dollars
in
fiscal
year:
twenty
one
three
million
dollars
in
fiscal
year.
E
F
Let
me
just
close
by
asking
this
McCleary
in
in
her
experience.
I
know
we
don't
have
experience
specifically
in
this
program,
but
in
in
your
experience
you
know
what
what
do
you
think
that
the
percentage
of
folks
are
going
to
go
through
the
trouble
of
jumping
through
these
hoops
and
filling
out
forms
and
affidavits
and
everything
else
so.
M
H
So
if
we
wanted
to,
is
it
possible
that
in
a
given
year,
we
could
negotiate
with
the
mayor
increasing
the
assistance
for
a
short
term?
Let's
say
if
we
go
into
recession
or
whatever?
Is
it
possible
that
we
could
do
that
out
of
the
general
funds?
Is,
is
coming
out
the
general
fund
anyway,
or
do
we
have
to
work
on
that
on
the
covenants
of
this
first
I.
E
H
It
let's
say
we
put
into
these
documents
that
it
was
30
percent
just
as
a
placeholder,
but
then
outside
of
that,
we
wanted
to
negotiate
in
next
year's
budget
to
be
able
to
help
people
up
to
50
percent
with
that.
Is
it
possible
that
that
could
be
a
general
fund
discussion,
and
so,
instead
of
changing
the
underlying
documents
for
this,
it
could.
E
I
would
I
would
add.
However,
of
course
you
heard
from
Miss
McCleary
the
under-representation
of
the
potential
applicants
that
are
taking
advantage
of
the
stormwater
program.
My
only
caveat
to
that
would
be.
The
stormwater
program
is
a
much
smaller
increment
incremental
impact
to
the
customer
than
this
is
anticipated
to
be
so
I
would
I
would
presume
that
to
be
a
little
more
incentive
for
the
customer
to
take
advantage
of
this
program,
because
it's
more
of
a
monetary
impact
to
them.
One.
H
Last
quick
thing:
we
we
have
the
second
highest
poverty
rate
of
any
major
city
in
Florida
and
I
hope
with
all
the
new
economic
development
efforts,
we're
going
to
try
to
alleviate
that
and
the
recession
may
slow
us
down,
but
I
think
with
all
the
new
efforts
that
we're
talking
about
collectively
with
staff
and
the
mayor.
Hopefully
we
will
alleviate
some
of
that,
so
we
will
have
as
many
people
to
apply
because
they'll
be
making
a
decent
wage.
H
G
A
Give
my
thoughts
chair
always
typically
goes
at
the
end
many
times.
I,
don't
want
to
talk
about
things
that
were
discussed
40
minutes
ago
on
which
there
appears
to
be
consensus,
but
I
will
say:
I
am
a
strong
support
of
this
program.
I
think
this
is
I.
Think
a
long-term
solution
is
required,
because
this
is
a
long-term
problem
and
I
think,
regardless
of
the
kind
of
economy
that
we're
gonna
have
in
the
future.
A
If
we're
looking
at
even
five
years,
look
at
the
way
the
economy
was
five
years
ago,
we're
in
2019
2014
what
was
unemployment
at
seven
percent
seven
and
a
half
percent
whatever
it
may
be,
it
was,
it
was
significantly
higher
than
it
is
today.
We're
always
going
to
have
economies
go
up
and
down
no
matter
what,
but
our
basic
core
local
needs
will
always
stay
the
same,
and
in
fact,
when
the
economy
gets
worse,
many
of
them
will
actually
worsen
in
terms
of
their
needs.
A
When
you
take
a
look
at
our
infrastructure,
particularly
this
pipes
issue,
this
is
just
basic,
ABCs
part
and
parcel
of
what
local
government
does
to
me.
This
requires
an
approach
that
is
fiscally
sound,
that
actually
funds
the
problem
which
disappears
to
do,
and
that
is
a
long-term
commitment.
I'm
glad
councilman
Maniscalco
brought
up
the
the
stormwater
issue.
A
I
thought
about
that
in
2016,
the
that
that
occurred,
I
think
it
was
42
if
I
recall
and
and
certainly
that
was
a
long-term
commitment
on
another
core
government
function
which
is
stormwater
similar
in
some
ways
to
what
we're
doing,
in
the
sense
that
it's
a
core
government
function.
So
I
certainly
think
that
this
is
something
that
should
go
through,
but
I'm
certainly
open
to
talks
on
alleviating
this
transition
for
for
for
many
families,
so
go
from
there.
Anyone
interested
in
making
motions
sure
first,
you
have
to.
D
A
N
Well,
I'd
like
to
move
this
resolution
with
the
substitutions
and
changes
from
today
and
and
yesterday
evening,
superseding
all
previous
resolutions
regarding
the
schedule
of
water
rates
not
including
reclaimed
water
rates
and
other
fees
or
charges
for
all
city
of
Tampa
water
customers
within
the
city
service
area,
establishing
a
base
charge
establishing
a
customer
assistance
program
affirming
and
revising
customer
classification,
definitions,
affirming
and
revising
water
consumption
thresholds.
Providing
an
effective
dis.
A
F
Right
and
this
will
apply
to
water
and
wastewater,
but
right
now
it
will
just
apply
to
water,
because
that's
the
that's.
F
That's
correct
the
first
one's
an
easy
one.
Probably
can
do
it
just
as
a
friendly
friendly
amendment
that
requesting
that
staff
give
us
six
month
report
for
as
long
as
his
hike
is
in
place
every
six
months
on
the
progress
and
not
only
the
progress
of
the
construction,
everything
else,
but
also
a
six-month
report
on
the
MB
WME
progress,
I'll.
F
Yes,
okay
told
you
that
was
the
easy
way.
Okay,
the
next
one,
hopefully
might
be
easy.
It's
easy
any
way
that
we
adjust,
and
this
would
require
Jan
to
go
back
for
ten
minutes
and
revise
the
resolution,
which
I
don't
think
it's
a
big
deal.
We
can
take
ten
minutes
out
of
our
evening
that
we
adjust
the
ami,
the
percentage
of
ami
from
30%
up
to
50%
of
for
the
average,
the
area
median
income.
We
use
the
same
HUD
standard,
but
instead
of
30%
we're
adding
some
additional
folks
in
bumping
it
up
to
50%
I.
F
Think
that
misses
what
Ms
McCleary
said.
It's
very
critical
that
in
the
stormwater
program,
then
I
always
appreciate
your
frankness
and
honesty
and
the
stormwater
program
there's
only
10%.
So
in
the
worst
case
scenario,
the
dennis
spelled
out
of
one
point:
four
million:
it's
it's
only
a
hundred
and
forty
thousand
today
you
know
so
so
I
think
it's
reasonable,
I'm
very,
very
concerned
about
folks
who
are
you
know:
fixed
income,
seniors,
really,
poverty.
F
You
know
I,
don't
have
those
numbers
in
front
of
me
anymore,
but
you
heard
them
$12,000
$15,000,
there's
a
lot
of
poverty,
that's
above
those
numbers
and
I.
Don't
think
it
hurts
the
program.
I,
don't
think
it'll
hurt
the
general
fund
and
I
think
it's
appropriate.
Under
these
circumstances,
so
I
would
I
would
move
to
amend
your
motion,
which
would
I
think
need
a
set
a
second
as
well
as
a
separate
vote
unless
it's
except
it
is
friendly
to
50%
of
the
ami.
But.
N
B
F
E
M
One
thing
that
we
could
include
in
the
reports,
which
would
help
you
would
be
to
give
the
numbers
sorry
one
thing
that
we
could
include
in
those
reports
would
be
the
number
of
denials
for
over
income.
Along
with
how
many
increase
we
got
so
that
you'd
have
those
numbers,
so
you
wouldn't
get
all
of
what
you're
looking
at.
F
H
I'm
I
agree
with
you:
I
think
that
the
the
numbers
are
are
low.
30%
is
what
is
it
14,000,
14,000
50,
you
know
it,
so
it's
a
really
low
number
and
it's
it's
hard
to
survive
at
all
at
that
level.
But
but
but
my
question
is:
I
have
to
ask
this.
What
what
do
you
do?
You
know
off
the
top
of
your
head,
what
the
fiscal
impact
would
that
would
be
if,
if
we
went
to
50
percent
I,
don't
know
how
many
people
that
would
include
in
what's
I.
E
E
H
E
The
end
of
20
years
in
2032,
the
impact
would
be
fourteen
point
three
million
dollars
to
the
general
fund.
Again
presuming
everybody
takes
advantage
of
it
compared
to
what
we've
initially
surfaced
for
you
tonight.
Eleven
point:
seven
million
dollars
base
on
that
I
would
second
at
that,
if
I,
if
I
may,
I
would
just
again
remind
council
that
our
rate
right
now
is
is
half
of
what
our
peer
group
is
and,
as
we
discussed,
won't
get
up
to
that
level
for
another
seven
years.
I
do
want
to
reiterate.
We
are
also
sympathetic
to
our
customers.
E
H
One
final
think
so
in
the
beginning,
we're
talking
about
four
hundred
thousand
and
over
the
next
few
years
that
will
go
up
but
I.
Just
if
we
end
up
adding
this
I
think
we
all
have
to
understand
that
when
April
comes
around
in
and
the
staff
stands
up
and
the
mayor
stands
up
that
we
have
to
understand
that
we're
going
to
give
somewhere
else.
If
we're
gonna,
do
this
I
think
it's
important
to
to
help
alleviate
the
the
impact
on
people
who
can't
afford
this
I?
C
C
C
A
And
we're
discussing
that
right
now,
I
know
councilman
Dan,
Felder's
comments
and
concerns
I
think
are
certainly
not
without
merit
and
I
and
I
sympathize
with
them
a
great
deal,
especially
the
idea
when
I
hear
that
10
about
10%
of
folks
who
can
take
advantage
of
this
program
with
storm
water
do
those
are
probably
some
of
the
most
chronic
acute
cases
that
we
have
in
our
city
of
poverty,
not
just
poverty
in
in
in,
in
terms
of
as
a
consistent
but
potentially
acute
poverty,
or
something
is
new.
You,
somebody
lost
her
job,
etcetera,
etcetera.
A
In
other
words,
when
folks
go
after
this,
it's
because
there's
a
real
need,
I
think
some
sort
of
modification
is
certainly
something
that
could
be
warranted.
I
mean
just
as
a
suggestion.
We
could
I
mean
I
hate
to
split
the
baby,
40%
she'd
hope
just
as
a
thought,
but
just
you
know
it,
and
also
I
am
not
convinced
that
this
council
will
come
back
in
a
year
and
a
year
after
that
and
and
and
adjust
it
because
then
we're
gonna
be
acutely
aware
on
an
ongoing
basis
of
what
the
revenue
loss
will
be.
A
I
I
They
were
looking
nothing
else,
the
notices
that
we
put
in
the
water
bill.
Even
myself,
I
get
my
water
bill
open
it
up,
see
what
the
bill
is.
I
paid,
all
the
other
garbage
is
behind
it.
People
never
even
look
at
it.
That's
why
I
always
say
we
don't
mark
it
well,
because
if
there
is
a
crisis
of
them
serious
nobody,
we
know.
I
I
turned
my
water
on
just
here
there
at
what
that
one,
my
real
product,
my
daughter's
moving
it
I,
was
gonna,
get
a
drink
of
water
down
the
aisle
of
faucet
as
I
went
to
go
turn
the
tap
on
the
water
coming
in
I,
see
this
odor
of
chlorine,
of
it
Holy
Smoke
and
been
marijuana.
I
know
it's
a
water
issue,
so
I'm
just
saying
you
have
to
look
how
with
this
council
has
to
understand
and
I
and
our
directors
administration
have
to
understand
how
everyday
common
people
live
and
think
I
have
to
say.
I
I've
had
that
experience,
cuz
I
was
a
police
officer
for
a
long
time
and
I
dealt
with
everyday
common
people
with
everyday
issues,
and
sometimes
we
in
certain
positions
or
we've
lived
a
certain
lifestyle.
We
don't
understand
how
other
people
live
for
tonight.
I
didn't
go
up
for
we'd.
Have
everything
so
I
know
what
it
is
to
strut.
I
know
one
leads
to
make
ends
meet
I
know
what
it
is.
They
have
a
light
to
turn
off
or
have
no
water.
I
Some
of
you
is
always
been
have
ever
experienced
that
so
I
live
by
experiencing
when
I
make
my
decisions,
because
I
know
how
people
live
in
thinking
and
that's
why
I
talked
about
the
Assistance,
Program
and
I'm.
Glad
that
my
colleague
here
on
the
stand
stand
yes,
you're
asking
for
a
bunch
of
money.
We
talked
about
the
ratings
all
this,
but
the
everyday
people.
They
don't
give
a
damn
about
that
all
they
cares.
I
Jamul
ill
I'm
gonna
pay
my
bills,
and
we
have
to
be
cognizant
of
that
and
we
have
to
understand
that
we
represent
the
people,
but
we
have
to
understand
that
people
have
needs
and
I'm
hoping
to
God
that
we
get
a
new
economic
developer.
Flerbert,
Americans
I
hope
it's.
Somebody
who
understands
diversity
so
understands
about
poor
people,
so
my
us
ideas
how
to
come
in
and
build
communities.
Because
of
you
do
that.
You
want
to
worry
about
poverty
as
much.
I
A
B
B
I'm
sold
I
got
it
twice,
but
I
don't
mean
it
as
a
joke.
I
just
you're
right.
They
don't
look
at
that,
even
if
you
sell
it
to
them
in
red
letters.
They
look
at
that
my
water
bill
at
the
top
because
it
become
you
know,
used
to
paint
the
water
bills.
The
only
part
of
the
water
bill,
I
look
is
how
many
units
I
used
because
I
know
it's
gonna
be
about
40
dollars
in
the
hole.
B
If
it's
45
I
know,
I
gotta
straighten
up
but
I
understand
what
you're
saying
and
if
this
is
predicated
from
what
I've
heard
on
all
sides
of
a
hundred
percent
of
the
population
using
the
form
of
30%
I,
don't
believe
anybody,
including
solid
waste,
the
population
that's
over.
65
applies
I,
don't
think
20%
apply,
maybe
I'm
wrong,
but
even
if
you
tell
them,
they've
got
so
many
things
in
their
mind.
Today's
society
is
different
than
what
we
grew
up.
B
B
It's
different
just
in
the
morning
when
you
go
to
come
to
work,
going
anywhere.
Look
how
many
kids
are
waiting
for
the
bus
school
bus
to
pick
them
up.
I'll
give
you
a
dollar
for
every
time.
You
see
a
kid
talk
to
somebody
else
and
they're
right
next
to
each
other
and
everybody's
got
the
phone
texting
and
somebody
I
don't
know
who,
but
that's
a
society
we
live
in.
B
The
part
of
the
newspaper,
I
read
the
most
is
the
one
ads
because
it
tells
you
what's
going
on,
tells
you
wants
to
buy
and
who
wants
to
sell
at
what
price,
and
it's
just
the
way
life
is
so
I'm
not
opposed
to
the
50%
I
would
like
to
see
it
run
for
some
period
of
time,
see
if
we
gauge
it
right
or
gauged
it
incorrectly,
and
you
can
make
a
real
argument
that
at
30%
it's
not
viable.
Well,
let's
find
out
what
50%
does.
Maybe
it
is.
Maybe
it's
not.
F
F
An
attorney
in
court,
you
should
know
when
to
just
shut
up
and
let
the
jury
make
a
decision,
but
the
only
thing
I'd
point
out
with
all
due
respect:
Dennis,
who
does
a
great
job,
he's
done
such
a
great
job
that
he
acknowledged
that
they
actually
looked
at
50
percent,
because
when
we
asked
him
the
question
he
happened
to
have
it
right
there
on
his
sheet.
So
this
isn't
an
outrageous
thing
that
we're
looking
at
it's
something
that
they
obviously
looked
at.
F
A
Privilege
well
I
think
you
have
a
very
good
verdict
on
your
motion
or
a
very
good
jury
and
your
motion,
sir.
So
just
for
the
record.
Do
you
wish
to
well
I'll
tell
you
what,
for
part
two
of
that
I
know.
We
have
part
one
with
regards
to
the
quarterly
updates.
Councilman
Maniscalco
you've
had
some
time
to
consider
it
and
ponder
it
and
then
G
councilman
citro.
What
is
your
position.
N
I'll
tell
you
why
going
back
to
the
storm
water
assessment
and
only
ten
percent
of
the
people
having
utilized
it
and
considering
what
a
big
impact
that
is
on
people's
property
tax
bills?
You
know
I've
got
a
lot
of
crap
for
voting
for
it
from
several
property
owners.
Understandably,
you
know
it's
a
big
expense
to
them,
but
I
didn't
get
a
lot
of
feedback
from
people
that
you
know
saying
that
you
know
this
is
gonna
severely
impact
us.
You
know
low
income
and
whatnot.
N
So
now
that
you're
telling
me
that
only
10%
of
people
have
to
utilize
that
I,
don't
think
a
hundred
percent
of
the
people
are
going
to
utilize
this
50
percent.
It
just
gives
and
I
understand,
councilman
ding
filters
position.
It
gives
people
more
of
an
opportunity
because
folks
could
look
at
the
30
percent
now
on
the
website
or
whatever
and
say:
well,
I,
don't
qualify
for
you
know:
they're,
not
gonna,
think
well,
maybe
City
Council
next
year
will
change
it
because
they
don't
think
like
that,
and
it's
true
and
it's
true.
N
When
people
open
their
bill,
they
don't
read
the
water
usage,
they
read
how
that's?
How
I
look
at
my
electric
bill
is
I
got
to
turn
the
the
air
up
when
I'm
gone
during
the
day
and
turn
the
lights
off
when
I'm
at
home
and
and
I.
Do
that
whatever
but
I
understand
now,
I'm
accept
it
and
I,
don't
know
I.
A
And
I
again
state
what
I
said
before,
which
is
I'm
supporting
this,
because
primarily
because
if
we
have
a
legitimate
concern
on
folks
who
are
making
having
a
hard
time
making
ends
meet
and
I
promise
you
we
look
at
this
again
a
year
from
now,
two
years
from
now,
we
very
likely
will
not
lower
that
that
or
increase
the
threshold.
I
just
don't
think
we'll.
Do
it.
That's
not
something
that
legislative
bodies
typically
do
the
momentum
won't
be
there.
The
pressure
won't
be
there
that
to
quote
that
grated
song
from
Asia.
A
F
My
third
motion
is
to
as
I
stated
very
early
in
this
conversation.
I
agree
with
the
need.
I
want
to
be
conservative.
I
want
to
be
fiscally
conservative
on
this
and
truncate
grant
grant
exactly
what
they're
looking
for
in
the
in
the
first
I'll
even
go.
Let's
say
the
first
eight
years:
okay,
because
when
I
looked
at
that
chart,
that
was
a
huge
big
hump
in
the
first
eight
years
and
after
that,
it
kind
of
flattens
out
at
a
hundred
million
a
year,
all
right.
F
So
the
way
I
looked
at
it
is
eight
years
is
about
two
billion
and
then
the
next
12
years
appears
to
be
about
a
billion
or
so
so
so
so
I'd
like
to
my
third,
my
third
amendment
to
the
make
or
the
motion
or
to
the
body,
would
be
to
take
the
entire
program
that
they've
offered
in
terms
of
the
rate,
hike
and
the
total
expenditures
and
everything
else,
but
truncated
at
eight
years,
instead
of
the
20.
What.
F
N
But
you
know
bonding
a
certain
percentage
and
then
you
having
the
user
fee
at
the
other
percentage.
You
know
I
know
it
saves
you
money
and
councilman.
Miranda
explained
everything.
But
when
you
get
a
better
rate
at
twenty
years,
then
you
would
add
that's
something
lower,
especially
when
you
know
financial
institutions
are
looking
at
this.
They
want
that
long
term
dedicated
funding
source.
So
you
know
I
were
not
accepted
in.
D
B
F
A
C
Even
nothing
with
that
basic
kind
of
pie,
you
did
for
the
second
friendly
amendment,
the
same
thing
to
adopted
by
Unanimous
Consent.
You
did
not
get
that
for
this
third
motion,
so
what
you
set
forth
is
exactly
truly
something
that
you
feel
you'd
like
to
have
a
motion.
Formal
motion
to
amend
you'd
have
to
put
that
on
the
floor
and
get
the
second
motion.
C
F
A
A
F
A
A
K
C
For
the
council
to
accept
it
from
what
I
understand
from
the
deputy
clerk
is,
then
it
would
be
a
substitute
to
the
present
exhibit.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,
so
would
you
then
require
time
for
that
exhibit
to
be
altered,
and
then
they
come
back
before
they
motion
on
the
resolution
has
substituted
with
the
new
exhibit.
Yes,
thank
you.
How
much
time.
K
E
C
N
A
C
C
C
C
A
F
K
N
A
A
N
A
N
D
A
F
Sir
I
apologize
getting
here
a
little
late
with
a
little
medical
stuff
going
on
in
the
family,
but
everything's
fine,
but
I
was
listening
to
Dennis
Fernandez's
report
on
the
cigar
factory
and
I
appreciate
counsels
questions
an
interest
in
this
important
issue,
especially
as
related
to
West
Tampa
and
our
cigar
factories
elsewhere
in
Palmetto
Beach,
as
well
as
another
one
I
have
the
memo
dated
September
4th
of
from
let's
see
through
John
Bennett
throughs,
Tom
Snelling
from
Dennis
Fernandez
to
counsel
and
I,
think
you
all
have
it
or
have
had
it
earlier
at
a
previous
meeting,
it
was
recommended
to
us
that
we
are
if
we
are
concerned
about
the
future
and
the
protection
of
these
cigar
factories
that
are
currently
not
protected
and
there's
12
of
them
listed
on
Dennis's
memo
that
we
should
refer
those
to
the
Historic
Preservation
Commission
and
the
Historic
Preservation
Commission
will
then
do
an
analysis
and
I
think.
F
The
HPC
will
do
whatever
they
do
in
terms
of
evaluating
those
12
properties
for
some
type
of
protection,
and
then
HPC
would
then
make
their
recommendation
back
to
us,
and
we've
talked
about
that
process
and
the
procedure
that's
been
in
place
for
many
many
years,
a
couple
of
decades,
I
think
so
with
that,
and
in
light
of
the
recent
events
on
that
one
Factory
in
in
West
Tampa.
That
is
not
protected
and
we
saw
what
could
happen
and
a
lot
of
other
things
could
happen
to
these
valuable,
valuable
landmarks.
F
I
would
move
that
we
refer
to
these
twelve
buildings,
which
are
their
first
12
listed
on
Denton
Dennis's.
Memo
I
could
read
them
by
address
or
whatever
just
incorporated
by
reference
as
the
first,
the
first
12
and
specifically
in
his
memo,
he
says
quote:
these
are
the
twelve
that
are
quote
not
protected
by
local
ordinance
or
subject
to
architectural
review
and.
F
A
N
I
believe
Tuesday
evening,
I
made
a
motion
to
present
a
commendation
to
WMNF
for
their
40th
birthday.
I
was
gonna,
take
it
to
the
radio
station,
but
I'd
like
to
invite
them
here
on
September
26.
It's
the
workshop
session.
We
have
police
officer
of
the
month
and
firefighter
of
the
quarter
and
I
wanted
to
squeeze
them
in.
Do.
A
D
D
You
just
one
last
motion
I'd
like
to
make
we
had
a
very
fine
PowerPoint
presentation
given
to
us
tonight.
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion.
The
city
staff
make
that
available,
whether
it
be
a
PowerPoint
presentation
and
paper
presentation
to
council
members
here
and
also
be
placed
on
the
city's
website.