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A
Here
here
here
here,
okay
and
we
are
and
here's
Joe
Citro
councilman
citro
councilman,
you
said
you
had
to
leave
at
2:00
and
you
wanted
to
quickly
make
a
motion.
Yes,
mister.
B
I
apologize,
but
there
is
a
motion
that
I
would
like
to
make
and
if
I
could?
Mr.
chair
I'd
like
to
give
a
little
background
before
I
make
this
motion
I've
been
approached
by
three
wireless
carriers:
Verizon
AT&T
t-mobile
about
constraints
they're
running
into
with
our
permitting
Department,
with
installing
5g
wireless
networks.
So
no
nothing
against
our
wonderful
city
staff,
and
especially
our
permitting
Department
I,
am
trying
to
see
if
we
can
expedite
some
of
these
things.
B
So
hence
my
motion
is
that
the
council
hold
a
workshop
to
discuss
how
we
can
create
best
practices
to
streamline
the
process
of
applications
with
5g
wireless
in
a
sueance
of
the
permits.
That
would
support
the
goals
of
our
small
cell
wireless
service
providers
that
we
can
better
understand
the
process
and
allow
the
providers
to
voice
their
concerns
and
work
with
us
to
make
this
cross
process
more
efficient
to
be
held
if
I
make
on
August
29th.
B
A
B
C
See
if
we
can
talk
more
about
this
at
the
workshop,
but
the
danger
here
is
that
we're
not
going
to
be
ready
for
Super
Bowl,
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna,
be
embarrassed.
Remember
when
the
RNC
happened
and
Chris
Christie
was
sweating
because
they
know
you
think
about
all
the
negative
publicity
on
the
RNC,
but
we're
gonna
get
international
negative
publicity.
Because
of
this
that
this
is
not
ready.
C
B
C
In
the
you
know,
the
lack
of
shade
and
covering
and
other
things,
and
in
this
case
when,
when
by
the
time
people
get
here
for
the
Super
Bowl,
the
expectation
is
that
we're
going
to
have
5g,
at
least
in
and
around
the
Superbowl,
and
that
we
have
sufficient
4G
coverage
and
we
don't
and
and
there's
a
reason
that
a
particular
person
did
not
like
the
way
these
antennas
looked
on
the
sidewalk
and
that's.
Why?
Potentially
we're
going
to
be
embarrassed.
A
D
Offense
to
anyone,
but
I,
remember
this
sometime
back
about
a
year
year
and
a
half
two
years
ago
that
this
thing
came
up
on
Council
and
after
was
all
over
I
found
out
that
the
state
exempted
themselves
made
a
special
deal
and
then
passed
a
law
that
we,
those
areas
had
to
put
up
the
posed
up
for
fifteen
dollars
a
year
ran
or
something
to
effect,
and
it
stunk
and
I.
Don't
trust
it
I,
don't
verify
anything.
They
want
mm-hmm
intensity.
If
I.
B
Can
make
one
more
statement?
Yes,
I
agree
with
Councilman
Carlson
on
this.
This
is
going
to
be
a
showing
off
time
for
the
city
of
Tampa.
It's
Super
Bowl,
however,
there's
other
questions
that
could
be
asked
at
this
time
and
I
hope
that
the
other
council
members
will
come
up
with
some
really
great
questions
asking
for
these
providers.
Asking
me
to
providers.
Okay.
A
E
Taking
word
on
the
item:
71,
the
moral
legal
department
just
wanted
to
speak
with
me
briefly
on
item
number
71,
so
the
discussion
on
May
2nd
was
a
group
home
came
in
for
some
residents
and
they
had
to
get
a
waiver
from
the
distant
separation
requirements
that
a
conversation
came
up
about
what
are
the
distant
separation
requirements
that
have
to
be
complied
with.
The
statute
here
is
4
and
at
section
4
19.00
one
florida
statutes.
This
is
for
the
statute
deem
deems
them
community
residential
homes.
E
We
call
them
congregate,
living
facilities
and
our
code
they're
both
the
same
thing.
So
what
the
statute
requires
is
a
thousand
feet
between
six
and
viewer,
which
are
considered
to
be
small
community
residential
homes,
and
it
requires
1200
feet
for
any
that
are
larger
than
that,
so
seven
or
more
beds
would
be
a
large
community
residential
home.
That
would
require
the
1200
be
so
graphically
represented.
E
What's
allowed
those
individual
zoning
districts,
but
you
can
see
here
from
27:43
it's
a
thousand
feet
for
the
six
or
fewer
residents
same
as
the
statute,
so
the
six
RPO
residents
or
a
thousand
feet
and
then
in
our
actual
special
use
criteria
dealing
with
these
seven
and
more
so
again,
the
same
as
a
statute,
those
larger
concrete
living
facilities
or
community
residential
homes
required
1200
feet
so
bottom
line
our
code
really
closely
mirrors
the
statute
and
is
consistent
with
the
statute
we
are
currently.
The
city
is
currently
in
federal
litigation
regarding
these
distant
separation
requirements.
E
E
F
Reason
I
ask
that
if
I've
got
a
small
or
boundary
area
of
a
smaller
community-
and
we
started
to
say
we
got
five,
six
of
these
homes
be
it.
Some
of
them
are
different
type
of
homes.
Communities,
sometimes
don't
like
certain
things
in
their
communities
sometime,
they
embrace
them.
But
when
you
start
putting
a
real
effect
on
their
communities,
it
becomes
an
issue.
So
is
that
something
with
housing?
They
need
to
find
out
what
our
housing
division
to
find
out?
E
Your
concern
is,
and
our
code
speaks
to
you
a
over
concentration
of
certain
uses
in
certain
areas
and
that's
where
these
distant
separation
comes
from,
but
it
sounds
like
your
question
is
more
specific
to
how
many
are
in
a
particular
area,
not
necessarily
how
far
they
are
in-between
each
other.
You
could
have
three
there,
but
then
what
what's
happening
in
the
larger
area?
E
G
G
Arguably,
I'm
not
saying
I
advocate
that
I'm
not
saying
that
that's
a
good
idea.
I
know,
there's
there's
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
other
issues
involved
in
terms
of
a
DA
and
rights
and
civil
rights
and
potential
lawsuits,
etc,
etc,
and
we
always
have
to
be
very
reasonable
and
careful
when
we
establish
those
distance
separations,
but
to
perhaps
answer
your
question
a
little
bit
that
that
is
one
way
to
skin
that
cat.
D
Can
say
that
these
congregate
living
facilities
and
group
homes
from
the
elder?
That's
mainly
what
they
are
in
a
lot
of
areas
and
for
other
that
are
in
need
are
very
much
needed.
However,
no
matter
if
it's
1,200
feet
and
we
continue
I'm,
not
saying
this
council,
we
meaning
elected
officials,
continue
to
say
well,
it's
only
1,150
feet
porch
and
you
keep
changing
1200
feet
and
you
keep
giving
them
900
feet.
800
feet.
D
D
If
you're
gonna
keep
giving
them
the
preference
of
changing
that
waiver
and
going
back
to
whatever
you
want
there
no
sense
making
it
any
distance,
because
it
doesn't
matter
and
we've
done,
that
we
meaning
elected
officials,
not
this
body,
many
many
times
over,
all
right,
I'm,
just
saying,
I,
trust
and
when
I
verify
doesn't
come
out,
because
the
laws
apply
that
the
laws
violated.
The
rules
are
changed
to
whoever
that
comes
before
the
podium.
C
B
H
It's
a
facility
finder
website,
that's
run
by
the
state
that
particular
agency
and
that's
actually
how
we
find
whether
or
not
they're
in
a
certain
distance.
So
I
can
send
the
link
to
each
of
you
and
you
can
go
in
and
look
at
the
geography
and
see
where
all
the
facilities
are
their
names
and
license
numbers
contact
information.
Everything
that.
A
I
Apartment
I'm
here
on
item
72,
which
was
a
request
to
appear
in
address
the
for-profit
clothing
and
she
dropped
donation
sites
due
to
several
complaints
throughout
the
district.
So
this
motion
was
made
on
May
23rd,
so
we've
had
two
weeks
to
look
into
that
and
I
can
tell
you
in
my
initial
review
of
this
for
two
weeks.
Donation
box
are
all
right.
I
I
Kurt
legal
apartment
I
am
here
on
item
72,
which
is
a
request
to
appear
in
address
the
for-profit
clothing
and
she
dropped
donation
sites
due
to
several
complaints
throughout
the
district.
So
again,
we've
had
two
weeks
to
look
into
this,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
in
two
weeks
we've
done
some
legal
research
and
determined
that
donation
sites
in
and
of
themselves
the
courts
have
determined,
have
First
Amendment
protection
that
doesn't.
This
was
particularly
limited
to
for-profit
clothing,
so
I'm,
not
sure
for-profit,
clothing
or
donation
sites.
I
But,
however,
you
look
at
these,
probably
some
of
them
would
fall
into
a
context
that
are
protected,
even
if
it
wasn't
all
of
them.
In
light
of
that,
and
also
in
response
to
the
second
part
of
the
motion,
which
was
what
it's
currently
on
our
code
and
in
our
books
to
help
regulate
this
issue,
you
do
currently
have
some
some
code
provisions
that
would
apply
to
these.
Now.
What
those
actual
complaints
were
weren't
part
of
the
motion,
but
I
can
tell
you.
I
Some
of
them
are
kind
of
intuitive,
just
understanding
the
nature
of
these
and
looking
at
the
cases
and
some
of
the
issues
that
arose
and
other
communities
that
attempted
to
address
these
and
those
include
the
accumulations
people
driving
up
the
boxes
being
full.
So
there's
accumulations
outside
of
the
boxes,
in
addition
to
the
boxes
being
placed
in
locations
that
are
blocking
parking
or
other
sites,
so
currently,
under
our
code,
they're
treated
as
a
portable
accessory
structure,
regardless
of
whether
or
not
there's
any
commutative
aspect
to
them
that
whether
there's
any
speech
aspect.
I
So
it's
completely
content,
neutral
and
under
that
these
structures
are
not
allowed
to
reduce
required
parking,
reduce
required
setbacks
or
reduce
required
landscaping.
So
if
there
are
place
in
the
areas
that
cause
me
of
those
problems,
there
is
already
a
code
violation
in
addition
to
your
chapter.
19
of
your
code
prevents
accumulations,
and
so,
if
there
are
accumulations
outside
of
those
boxes,
that's
also
already
a
code
violation.
I
I
did
speak
to
code
enforcement
and
they
did
tell
me
that
they
are
enforcing
that,
and
so,
if
there
is
a
complaint
and
I
part
of
the
motion
was
that
there
were
several
complaints
in
the
community.
That
I
would
suggest
that
you
direct
them
to
code
enforcement,
who
has
told
me
they
are
prepared
to
enforce
those
codes,
and
if
that
is
not
sufficient
and
there's
further
problems
than
perhaps
we
could
have
additional
conversations.
But
that
would
be
my
suggestion
of
how
to
proceed
on
this
matter.
J
So,
as
you
said,
code
has
some
jurisdiction
at
this
point,
but
if
it
continues
and
it
continues
out
of
control-
and
just
you
know,
gets
out
of
hand,
then
we'll
revisit
this,
but
at
least
I'm
glad
to
see
that
we
have
some
basis
or
foundation
book
that
we
have.
You
know
some
way
to
monitor
control
these
balance
amount.
Thank
you.
I
Could
potentially
be
both
I
mean?
Typically,
when
you
do
code
enforcement
through
the
code
enforcement
hearing
master
process
you're
going
to
be
the
result
of
that
is
a
fine
which
turns
into
a
lien,
so
that
typically
is
going
to
go
to
the
property
owner.
There
are
instances
where
it's
potential
that
we
have
other
code
tools
in
our
toolbox
that
could
be
used.
It
could
go
after
the
person
who
was
putting
it
there,
and
so
we
generally,
it
would
be
from
the
property
owner
standpoint
who's
allowing
the
box
to
be
there.
A
G
K
G
Chuck
I
think
you
were
sitting
or
hiding
in
the
back
of
the
room
when,
when
the
other
end
WMA
discussion
was
going
on
about
the
earlier
item.
67
right-
oh
yes,.
A
G
So
that's
what
that
was
the
question
I
had
as
related
to
69
again
the
cover
sheet
and
I
appreciate
the
straightforward
nature
of
the
cover
sheet
says
the
contractor
reports
eleven
point:
two:
two
percent
cumulative
wmb
herb
all
the
MBE
participations
added
up
and
they've
attached,
some
kind
of
forms.
So
I
don't
know
what
those
DMI
forums
are
a
but
I
assume
that
probably
tells
us
who
who
or
what
they're
gonna
be
using
but
again.
G
K
A
L
L
G
L
L
Who
will
talk
about
his
two
master
plans
and
all
the
water
department
needs
then
following
Chuck
will
be
wastewater
needs
by
Erik.
Weisz
is
a
director
of
the
wastewater
department
and
then
Sonya
little.
Our
CFO,
of
course,
will
wrap
it
up
with
funding
scenarios
of
you
know
how
we
fund
these
two
massive
programs.
L
So
to
the
picture
to
the
left
is
a
large
force,
main
break
and
in
front
of
one
of
our
master
pumping
stations
on
130,
1st
Avenue
and
a
force.
Maid
is
a
wastewater
pipeline
that
is
under
pressure
and
Eric
will
talk
a
little
more
about
that
in
his
presentation.
The
picture
to
the
right
is
a
typical
cave-in,
where
dirt
above
the
pipeline
goes
into
a
failed
pipeline,
because
the
water
table
is
above
that
pipeline
typically,
and
it
just
takes
the
dirt
into
the
pipeline.
L
And
then
water
infrastructure
failures
are
on
the
increase
as
well.
This
happens
to
be
a
major
water
main
break
on
Rome
Avenue,
north
Rome
Avenue,
and
in
this
break,
water
was
shut
down
for
up
to
a
week,
and
water
went
into
several
homes
that
we
had
to
restore.
You
know
dry
out
and
clean
up
and
then
restore.
L
This
slide
is
what
are
the
costs
of
doing
nothing
and
I
need
to
credit
councilman
Miranda
for
asking
last
time
to
add
this
slide.
So
what
are
the
costs
of
doing
nothing?
Nothing
I'm
using
wastewater
example
here,
but
this
applies
to
the
water
department
as
well.
Reactive
costs
continue
to
rise.
These
are
cost
to
repair
cave-ins
force
main
breaks,
nothing
to
do
with
the
treatment
plant.
This
is
just
associated
with
the,
in
this
case,
the
collection
system,
so
the
cost
for
doing
nothing.
L
Certainly,
this
problem
is
getting
worse
and
it's
not
going
away
so
we'll
get
into
detailed
numbers
later
in
the
presentation,
but
this
slide
shows
our
total
water
and
wastewater
CIP
needs
over
the
next
20
years,
which
equals
3.2
billion,
and
that's
what's
shown
in
orange
and,
as
you
can
see,
it's
front-end
loaded,
another
area
that
both
Chuck
and
Eric
will
get
into.
The
blue
shows
what
we
are
funded
with
existing
revenues,
starting
in
2016
and
can't
fund
using
available
reserves
while
maintaining
reserves
in
accordance
with
our
internal
policies.
L
L
To
my
last
slide,
the
items
raised
in
individual
briefings,
the
first
one
is
you
know:
how
do
water
wastewater
capital
improvement
plans
dovetail
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
do
they
do?
They
include
a
growth
component,
so
the
vast
majority
of
the
projects
were
proposing
for
both
water
and
wastewater
are
rehabilitation
and
replacement
projects
that
do
not
need
to
be
included
in
the
comprehensive
plan.
However,
the
water
on
the
water
side,
water
treatment,
expansion
projects
and
water
supply
reuse
projects
will
be
added
to
the
comprehensive
plan
if
this
plan
is
approved.
L
D
L
Question
is
really
core
didn't
coordinate
with
the
other
programs
like
all
for
transportation
and
with
stormwater
Improvement
Program,
obviously,
is
incumbent
upon
us
to
coordinate
water
and
wastewater
transportation
and
stormwater.
We
don't
want
to
pay
the
street
or
put
in
a
sidewalk
to
come
back
a
year
later,
to
tear
it
up,
to
put
it
in
a
water
line
or
do
some
stormwater
work,
for
instance.
L
So
we
want
to
coordinate
that
and
what
we've
started
doing
is
we
put
together
a
team
of
the
four
engineers,
the
three
directors
using
GIS,
to
lay
these
programs
on
top
of
each
other
and
see
where
we
have
some
high
priorities
in
in
in
four
or
three
of
the
areas
that
maybe
we
hit
first
and
we
we
package
these
projects
by
neighborhood.
So
we
you
know,
impact
the
neighborhood
one
time.
L
The
next
one
is
is
on
public
outreach
and
I.
Just
want
to
stress
absolutely
public
outreach
will
be
a
key
component
to
implementing
these
programs.
Every
design-build
team,
every
program
manager
at
risk-
or
you
know
every
part
of
a
program
that
we
put
in,
will
have
an
extensive
public
outreach
program
and
then,
finally,
on
WME
and
SLB
ii,
focus
there's
obviously
been
a
lot
of
discussion
about
that
today.
This
is
certainly
a
must
and
something
mayor.
Caster
has
stressed.
L
We
have
an
opportunity
to
ramp
that
up
with
these
big
programs
with
is,
is
paramount
to
take
advantage
of
that,
we
will
be
able
to
better
control
goals
and
the
structure
of
how
we
do
that
with
a
larger
program,
and
it
will
be
much
better
than
being
piecemealed
on
a
lot
of
small
design-bid-build
work
or
done
by
an
emergency.
Obviously,
by
emergency
you
don't
have
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
WME
participation
and
with
that
Odin
already
I
will
turn
it
over
to
mr.
Jeff
Webber.
Take
over
for
the
water
department.
K
Chuck
weber,
water
department,
so,
as
Brad
mentioned,
we
had
two
master
plans,
one
for
the
treatment
facilities
and
one
for
the
distribution
system
at
the
treatment
plant.
We
started
by
assessing
all
the
different
equipment
and
structures
that
we
had.
There
was
over
3000
different
pieces
of
equipment
and
structures
that
we
assess.
We
went
and
looked
at
five
years
worth
of
maintenance
records,
and
the
purpose
was
to
determine
how
much
more
life
do
we
have
with
this
equipment
with
these
different
treatment
processes
and
with
the
structures.
The
next
thing
we
did
was
an
evaluation.
K
We
looked
at
whether
or
not
our
current
treatment
processes
were
capable
of
meeting
future
regulations
and
how
well
we
were
meeting
our
current
regulations.
We
also
did
some
benchmarking.
We
wanted
to
answer
the
question
of
how
well
are
we
doing
with
what
we
have
compared
to
others
who
have
the
similar
treatment
process
and
what
we
found,
especially
in
areas
of
chemical
use
and
energy,
use
that
we
were
top-notch
we're
doing
the
best
that
we
feel
it
can
possibly
done
with
the
treatment
processes
and
the
equipment.
K
The
next
step
was
to
take
all
those
evaluations,
assessments
and
benchmarking
and
identify
a
list
of
projects
and
prioritize
them
and
then
develop
construction
phasing.
As
far
as
to
how
we
can
manage
to
construct
all
that
and
what
water
we
wanted
to
do
it
for
the
district.
Oh
one
of
the
things
we
found
with
the
evaluation
was
that
we're
not
quite
capable
of
reliably
producing
as
much
water
as
the
plant
is
rated.
K
The
plant
is
currently
rated
at
120
million
gallons
a
day
and
that's
for
a
max
day
capacity
and
right
now
we
can
only
reliably
produce
about
110
or
115
million
gallons
a
day
and
that's
due
primarily
to
aging
equipment.
The
plant
was
put
in
service
in
1925
and
we
are
still
running
the
original
pumps,
the
high
service
pumps,
the
raw
water
pumps
and
the
original
filters,
and
that's
really
a
testament
to
how
well
the
plant
has
been
maintained.
K
But
in
order
to
keep
maintaining
equipment
that
old,
whenever
we
have
to
do
routine
maintenance
or
emergency
maintenance,
we
have
to
have
parts
fabricated
and
there
aren't
any
people
that
make
this
stuff
anymore.
So
it's
become
more
expensive
to
maintain
this
equipment
than
it
is
to
build
a
whole
new
pump
station.
K
K
Unlike
the
treatment
plant,
all
this
stuff
is
is
buried,
so
we
can't
see
it
it's
under
pressure,
so
we
can't
put
a
camera
down
there
and
look
at
it.
So
what
we
did
was
a
risk
analysis.
We
divided
up
the
distribution
system
into
30,000,
odd,
some
odd
30,000
different
segments
and
looked
at
what
the
pipes
were
made
of
what
soil
they
were
in,
how
old
they
were,
and
we
used
that
information
to
determine
what
the
probability
of
their
failure
was.
K
And
then
we
also
looked
at
things
like
the
consequence
of
the
failure
and
when
you
know
those
include
things
like
well,
is
it
in
front
of
a
hospital?
Is
it
on
bromine
Avenue
or
is
out
in
the
middle
of
nowhere,
and
we
take
the
consequences
and
the
probability
of
failure
together,
you
come
up
with
a
risk
score
and
so
for
each
of
those
segments
of
pipe.
We
rated
and
organized
them
by
risk
to
determine
when
they
needed
to
be
replaced
in
what
priority.
K
This
slide
shows
our
distribution
system
just
some
quick
facts.
We
have
over
two
hundred
eleven
square
miles
service
population
of
six
hundred
and
thirty
thousand.
One
of
the
other
things
to
notice
on
this
slide
is
that
our
service
area
extends
beyond
the
city
boundaries.
We
do
serve
part
of
unincorporated
Hillsborough
County.
We
have
over
2300
miles
of
pipe,
almost
50,000
valves,
14,000,
hydrants
and
ninety-eight
percent
of
that
is
unseen,
just
to
kind
of
put
the
miles
of
pipe
line
in
perspective.
If
you
stretched
it
into
end,
it
would
take
you
from
here
to
California.
K
This
slide
is
an
important
slide
is
to
maybe
answering
the
question
of.
Why
are
we
seeing
an
increase
in
main
breaks,
and
why
do
we
have
to
ramp
up
program?
What
this
slide
shows
is
the
miles
of
pipe
that
was
put
in
in
each
decade,
and
you
can
see
in
the
1940s
in
the
1950s
we
really
ramped
up
how
much
pipe
we
were
putting
in
the
ground,
and
that's
not
unusual.
K
If
you
look
along
the
whole
eastern
seaboard,
this
is
a
familiar
story,
and
the
other
thing
to
notice
is
that,
four
decades,
after
the
40s
and
50s,
we
were
still
installing
a
lot
of
pipe
the
pipe
that
we
were
installing
back
in
the
40s
and
50s
was
mainly
cast-iron
pipe.
It
has
an
age
of
eighty
to
a
hundred
years,
so
we
are
right
at
the
beginning
of
all
this
pipe
failing,
unlike
the
pipe
that
was
put
in
before
it.
There
wasn't
that
many
miles
of
pipe,
so
we
have
to
ramp
up
our
program.
K
There's
a
lot
more
pipe,
that's
going
to
need
to
be
replaced
sooner
and
then
the
other
story
that
this
picture
tells
is
that
it's
not
going
to
go
away
for
a
long
time
for
each
decade.
After
that,
we
have
to
replace
that
pipe
when,
if
this
comes
due
as
well,
this
slide
shows
the
increase
in
main
breaks
that
we've
had
over
the
last
two.
Our
excuse
me.
Three
years,
we've
we've
doubled
the
number
of
main
breaks
on
average,
and
it
also
shows
each
column.
K
There
is
a
month,
and
it
shows
how
many
main
breaks
we
have
based
on
the
month
of
the
year,
and
you
can
see
in
January's
our
that's
when
we
have
the
the
most
main
breaks
and
it's
due
to
the
cold
weather,
combined
with
the
aging
infrastructure
and
the
stress
that
gets
on
pipe
from
the
cold
weather.
You
could
see
the
last
January
we
had
220
main
breaks
and
it's
quite
a
big
spike
compared
to
previous
January's.
K
The
other
thing
to
notice
is
that
we're
averaging
about
a
hundred
main
breaks
before
January,
and
although
we
have
three
contractors
on
board,
when
we
have
a
spike
in
main
breaks
like
that,
we're
overwhelmed
in
repairing
them,
but
we're
also
Elva
around
in
restoring
the
streets
and
the
sidewalks
after
we
repair
them,
because
we
cannot
find
enough
contractors
to
handle
that
workload.
So
we're
at
a
point
where
we
have
to
do
something
different.
K
It
become
very
expensive
to
try
to
manage
a
workload
like
this
dislikes
shows
some
of
the
larger
projects
that
came
out
of
the
two
master
plans,
one
of
the
largest
and
most
urgent
is
the
pipeline
renewal
replacement.
We
have
to
replace
over
500
miles
of
pipeline
and
at
a
cost
of
roughly
672
million
over
the
next
20
years.
We
also
need
to
include
a
water
supply
or
reuse
project
to
address
additional
capacity,
drought
proofing,
sustainability
and
minimum
flows
on
the
lower
Hillsborough
River
I
mentioned
the
high
service
pump
stations
earlier.
A
K
A
K
C
Like
can
you
go
back
just
rinsing
it
just
for
just
for
my
colleagues
since
I
can't
talk
to
you
outside
this
chamber.
Me
number
two
here
originally
said
tap
and
I
requested
yesterday
they
change
it.
I
think
the
discussion
of
tap
is
a
is
a
separate
discussion
that
needs
to
have
lots
of
public
input.
There
are
alternatives
to
tap,
and
so
they
graciously
agreed
to
to
reframe
it
in
this
way,
I
think
the
discussion
about
the
overall
projects
and
the
budget
and
the
fees
related
that
are
separate
than
a
discussion
about
a
particular
project.
C
G
I'm
glad
you've
you've
raised
that.
We
discussed
that
briefly
when
I
was
being
briefed
as
well.
When
we
get
to
Sonya's
presentation
about
funding
and
choices,
a
B
and
C
I
think
that's
something
that
we
need
to
discuss
in
terms
of
you
know.
Do
we
do
we
fund
something
that
we
haven't
necessarily
agree
visa
via
the
tap
so
we'll
get
to
it
when,
when
we
have
that
budget
part
of
this
discussion
but
I
I,
think
it's
an
important
decision,
especially
as
related
to
those
choices
that
we're
gonna
be
making
sure.
D
K
M
The
first
one
treatment
plan
for
the
Howard
F
current
advanced
wastewater
treatment,
plant
and
overall
comprehensive
master
plan
hasn't
been
done
since
the
late
1980s,
and
that
was
for
a
little
different
reason.
That
was
to
increase
the
capacity
to
the
treatment
plan
from
60
million
gallons
a
day
to
96
million
gallons
a
day.
So
to
do
this
master
plan
now
hired
an
independent
engineering
consultant.
We
wanted
them
to
look
at
two
main
things:
one.
You
have
to
look
at.
What's
the
condition
of
this
treatment
plan
now,
I
call
that
the
as
is
condition.
M
So
they
looked
at
thousands
of
records
of
our
maintenance
records.
You
know,
tested
and
looked
at.
You
know,
thickness
of
concrete
walls
on
tanks
looked
at
pumps
and
pipes
to
get
in,
as
is
condition
so
when
they're
done
with
that,
they
can
then
do
the
phase
two,
which
is
what
do
we
want
to
be?
They
finish
that
phase.
M
M
Last
year
we
only
saw
57
million,
so
there's
a
lot
of
capacity
there
and
the
reason
is,
you
know,
the
water
per
person
per
day
has
come
way
down
over
the
last
30
years
because
of
low-flow,
toilets
and
showerheads.
You
know
efficient
dishwashers,
so
that
created
this
capacity
that
we
don't
need
to
handle
in
the
next
20
years.
The
other
thing
is
no
real
changes
to
our
treatment
process.
You
know
when,
when
we
first
made
an
advanced
wastewater
treatment
plan,
it
was
cutting
edge
at
the
day.
M
You
know
people
engineers
came
from
all
over
the
country
to
see
how
we
were
doing
it
and
the
good
thing
is.
It
works
so
good
and
very
easy
to
operate
that
some
of
these
other
alternative
technologies
that
we
looked
at,
hey,
they're,
doing
it
in
Germany
or
somewhere
else.
Our
business
cases
show
that
it
didn't
pay
for
itself.
So
to
change
a
process.
It
took
15
to
20
years
payback
to
just
change
that
one
process,
so
it
was
it's
mostly
the
same,
but
the
big
thing
they
found
is
it's
a
very
old
treatment
plant.
M
You
know
pumps
and
pipes
and
tanks
get
affected
by
hydrogen
sulfide
gas
at
a
treatment
plants,
a
highly
corrosive
atmosphere
and
it
eats
away
all
this
infrastructure
pretty
quickly.
So
that's
what
they
came
up
with,
and
it's
shown
on
this
slide
and
the
important
part
of
this
slide
that
it's
front-loaded,
almost
half
of
the
capital
funds
we
need
over
the
20-year
period
are
gonna
happen
in
the
first
five
years
to
replace
its
aging
infrastructure
at
the
plain
okay:
let's
talk
about
the
other
master
plan
or
a
collection
system.
M
Sixty
percent
of
this
talk
about
our
gravity
pipelines,
which
is
1,500
miles
of
pipe.
Sixty
percent
of
it
is
over
fifty
years
old,
twenty
percent
of
it
70
years
old
and
what's
the
impact
of
that
you
can
see
to
the
right-
is
a
number
of
cave-ins
of
how
much
they've
gone
up
over
the
last
seven
eight
years
and
when
you
do
a
repair,
that's
just
a
point:
repair
a
diaper,
a
band.
You
know
most
of
our
pipe
was
put
in
by
a
contractor
in
the
40s
or
50s
for
a
whole
neighborhood.
M
So
when
you
had
a
failure
on
one
Street,
you
pretty
much
would
expect
that
you're
gonna
see
that
again
somewhere
else
and
that's
not
money
to
actually
fix
the
whole
thing.
That's
just
a
point
where
to
fix
that
one
hole
we're
fortunate
in
the
wastewater
department
that
we
can
actually
assess
this
1,500
miles
of
gravity
pipe.
We
have
a
fleet
of
7tv
trucks.
You
may
have
seen
them
set
up
in
the
middle
of
road
over
a
manhole.
M
M
Those
are
a
route
in
it,
you
know,
is
it
offset
and
our
guys
that
do
this
or
certify
through
a
national
organization,
so
if
you're
in
New,
York
or
California
they're
gonna
grade
that
pipeline
exactly
the
same,
so
the
results
of
doing
that
is
on
the
next
page,
the
very
worst
pipe
is
shown
in
red
and
the
pipe
that's
that's
getting
there
and
they're
very
near
future
is
going
to
be
in
yellow,
interesting
thing
about
this.
Unlike
the
treatment
plant
you
can
see,
most
of
the
costs
are
after
the
first
five
years.
M
We
fix
the
red
stop
because
that's
just
us
fixing
the
mainline
pipe,
which
you
see
down
the
middle
of
the
street.
All
the
homes
and
businesses
have
their
own
pipe
that
connects
into
that
we're
not
even
going
to
address
that
till
year,
11
through
20,
the
other
part
of
a
collection
system
wastewater
pumping
stations.
This
is
a
little
easy
to
do.
225
pumping
stations
throughout
our
whole
service
area.
M
We
know
that
they
last
20
years,
that's
how
long
I
got
pump
and
the
controls
last
and
a
lot
of
the
concrete,
because
the
hydrogen
sulfide
gas
gets
eaten
away.
Excuse
me,
so
we
could
easily
just
do
a
schedule
of.
We
know
how
much
it
cost
and
when's
the
last
time
you
did
it
to
prepare
a
schedule
of
when
we
need
to
rehabilitate
each
one
of
those
225
public
stations.
M
So
that's
the
estimated
cost
and
the
last
piece
of
a
collection
system
in
the
wastewater
Department,
our
force
mains,
only
300
miles
of
these.
This
is
a
wastewater
pipe
under
pressure.
An
interesting
thing
about
this
is:
there's
a
lot
more
risk.
If
there's
a
failure,
if
you
have
a
gravity
pipe
and
it
caves
in
or
blocks
up,
we
can
relatively
quickly
or
short
or
cup
flowers
bring
out.
Portable
pumps
can
just
bypass
that
one
section.
M
M
It
was
actually
a
fiscal
19
project.
Last
summer.
Excuse
me,
it
broke
had
a
crack
in
it,
so
we
were
able
luckily,
to
able
to
repair
that
a
little
bit
less
than
a
day,
but
we
had
to
move
up
that
work
and
bid
it
out
not
bid
it
out
and
do
an
emergency
affidavit
to
immediately
hire
a
contractor
to
get
working
on
at
the
very
next
day
which
doubles
the
cost
you
con
in
12th
Street
at
that
area.
M
Big
waste
water
force
main
that
takes
all
the
waste
water
from
USF
and
North
End,
but
comes
right
through
that
spot.
We
have
a
preventive
maintenance
program
where
we
measure
the
thickness
of
a
metal
force
main,
and
we
monitor
it
over
time
every
five
years
and
it
had
been
good
up
until
this
last
year.
We
measured
it
and
it
was
paper-thin.
So
again
we
had
to
do
an
emergency
contract
to
go
and
do
that
work.
Excuse
me.
M
H
H
H
The
rate
study
focused
primarily
on
three
major
components
that
comprised
of
the
consumption
rate
a
base
charge
and
also
miscellaneous
fees
and
charges.
As
you're
aware,
the
city's
current
utility
bill
structure
is
only
a
consumption
rate
structure.
So
that
the
customer
is
built
based
on
the
amount
of
of
water
of
utilities
that
are
actually
used
and
it's
on
a
tiered
system,
so
the
lowest
consumption
has
a
lower
rate
and
as
consumption
increases,
so
does
the
rate
charge
for
the
consumption.
Our
utility
system
is
one
of
the
last
ones
in
the
state
of
Florida.
H
That
does
not
have
a
base
charge
and
the
reason
that
it
was
recommended
by
our
consultant
and
staff
also
agrees
with
is
that
the
base
charge
protects
the
system
so
that,
no
matter
how
the
consumer
rate
goes
up
or
down,
we
can
always
cover
the
fixed
cost.
We're
always
going
to
have
utility
cost,
we're
always
going
to
have
chemical
costs
and
we're
always
going
to
have
to
pay
the
people
who
run
the
system
so
we'll
have
personnel
cost
as
well.
H
So
in
each
of
the
scenarios
that
we
will
present
to
you,
you
will
see
that
each
one
of
them
will
include
a
base
charge.
So
I'll
summarize
over
the
course
of
the
next
couple
of
slides
the
scenarios
and
the
assumptions
included
in
one
of
those
in
each
of
those
scenarios
and
then
we'll
talk
about
what
does
that
mean
to
the
consumer
to
the
to
the
rate
payer?
H
H
If
you
will
in
2009,
and
also
we
were
experiencing
a
drought
and
as
a
result
of
the
drought,
water
restrictions
had
to
be
imposed
and,
as
I
hear,
my
colleague,
Brad
bear
say
all
the
time
it
worked,
because
as
people
stopped
using
water,
our
consumption
went
down
twenty-five
million
gallons
in
just
one
day,
and
it
was
it
did
what
it
was
designed
to
do.
But
what
it
did
to
the
system
is
as
a
result
of
those
watering
restrictions
that
were
brought
on
by
the
drought.
H
As
you
can
clearly
see
in
this
all
land
do-nothing
scenario
in
the
year
2020
for
twenty
five,
we
start
to
run
into
trouble
that
we
will
barely
be
able
to
cover
our
OEM
and
certainly
barely
be
able
to
cover
our
debt
service.
But
more
critically,
as
you
heard,
we
won't
be
able
to
meet
the
needs
to
repair
our
crumbling
system.
H
H
The
cost
of
camp
capital-
just
to
recap
you
heard
from
both
our
water
and
wastewater
directors
and
current
your
your
dollars
fro
for
water,
is
1.5
million
dollars
for
wastewater
1.1
for
a
total
of
2.6
billion
dollars.
But,
of
course,
we're
talking
about
a
20-year
plan.
So
if
we
inflate
those
cost
and
add
an
inflationary
factor,
we're
in
essence
adding
542
million
dollars
to
those
cost.
So
when
we're
talking
in
in
terms
of
how
do
we
fund
this
plan,
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
funding
a
three
point?
H
The
assumptions
to
get
us
there
under
scenario
a
just
a
reminder:
all
of
these
scenarios
will
assume
a
base
charge
the
same
base
charge
which,
in
fiscal
year
2020,
would
be
an
increase
of
$4
per
month
on
the
on
an
equivalent
residential
unit
ERU,
which
is
for
an
average
household
that
uses
uses
about
300
gallons
a
day.
So
this
will
apply
to
all
of
our
residential
units.
H
One
single
unit,
and
thereafter
in
the
years
21
through
30,
for
an
additional
$2
per
month,
increase
to
cover
the
base
charges
and,
as
I
mentioned
before,
we
just
wanted
to
have
a
baseline
in
this
scenario,
to
see
what
we
could
fund,
if
we
just
just
did
a
an
across-the-board
3%
increase
in
the
consumption
rate,
and
what
that
does
is
we
would
be
able
to
cover
our
operating
expenses
at
a
hundred
percent.
However,
under
this
scenario,
we
would
not
be
able
to
fund
100%
of
the
3.2
billion
dollars
in
our
master
plan.
H
It
would
leave
about
seven
hundred
million
dollars
unfunded
in
this
scenario,
so
the
bottom
portion
of
this
we
summarized
under
the
scenario
how
much
would
be
broken
up
between
cash
and
debt.
So
part
of
the
modeling
strategy
is
that
we
take
a
very
conservative
approach
when
it
comes
to
estimating
how
much
debt
we
will
have
to
issue,
because
at
this
point
we
have
not
made
any
assumptions
on
any
grants
that
will
be
received.
H
H
H
Finally
scenario
see
again
the
same
base
charge
consumption
in
the
first
two
years.
20
and
21
is
the
same
as
in
scenario
B.
However,
it
drops
from
15%
to
10%
in
the
years
22
through
25
again
in
this
case
it
funds
everything
except
it
does
not
provide
any
funding
for
water
supply
and
reuse
projects
and
we'll
give
you
more
background
information
on
that.
But
if
I
can
first
just
walk
you
through
under
the
three
scenarios,
how
does
that
I
guess
stack
us
up
to
our
peers?
H
But
if
you
take
that
a
little
bit
farther
and
compare
that
to
any
one
of
the
three
scenarios
that
I
just
spoke
to
you
about,
we
still
fall
far
below
the
average
of
our
peers
at
about
$46.50
per
month.
So
this
table
is
basically
a
snapshot
of
where
we
are
today.
But
if
we
take
that
a
step
farther
and
we
project
out
with
one
caveat,
the
horizontal
line
going
across
the
top,
the
blue
line
going
across
the
top
again
represents
the
average
monthly
utility
bill
of
our
peers
at
eighty
dollars
and
57
cents
per
month.
H
We
assumed
that
that
stays
flat.
The
likelihood
that
that
would
happen
is
very
unlikely,
so
the
lines
be
below
it.
It
captures
the
average
monthly
bill
year
over
a
year
because
it's
our
intent
to
phase
in
the
rate
increase
to
lessen
the
burden
or
the
blow
to
our
customers,
so
the
lower
line
scenario
a
which
did
not
fund
the
entire
master
plan.
It
left
about
700
million
dollars
unfunded.
You
see
the
difference
still
out.
H
We've
talked
a
little
bit
and
this
is
a
work
in
progress.
We
actually
do
this
with
our
stormwater
program,
where
we
provide
customer
assistance.
We
are
going
through
the
process
of
termina.
Now
we
reach
those
who
need
it
most,
and
so
we
will
provide
you
with
additional
information
on
the
customer
assistance
program.
H
H
Weber
will
come
back
up
and
provide
you
with
the
background
information
you
requested,
but
along
those
lines
after
we
tell
you
why
we're
proposing
scenario
B,
which
includes
the
water
rule
the
water
supply
supply
component,
will
ask
that
we
get
the
authorization
that
we
can
notice
our
utility
bill
customers,
starting
as
soon
as
next
week
of
the
end
tent
to
increase
rates
and
also
notice
that
a
public
meeting
will
be
scheduled
in
August,
August
22nd.
So
we
are.
H
We
are
primed
and
ready
to
issue
notice
in
the
utility
bills,
something
that
customers
will
be
fully
aware
of
bright
color
paper,
not
just
a
line
item
on
the
bill
and
then
respectfully,
requests
that
we
receive
authorization
to
move
forward
for
funding
this
plan
with
rates
becoming
effective,
October
1st.
So
mr.
chair,
if
I
may
turn
this
back
over,
come.
H
G
We've
all
been
briefed
on
this
personally,
you
know
I
think
we
know
the
need
has
been
there
for
many
years,
we're
kind
of
being
kicking
kicking
the
can
down
the
street.
It's
time
that
we
address
it.
The
economy
is
doing
better.
It's
gonna
have
some
impact
on
some
folks
and
we'll
need
to
address
that
and
I
think
you,
you
and
I
talked
about
that
a
little
bit
in
terms
of
its
it
folks
truly
have
a
hardship.
G
The
city
will
have
some
sort
of
relief
plan
in
place,
but
on
the
bigger
picture
in
regard
to
B
versus
C
and
I'm,
totally
in
favor
of
funding,
everything
that
has
to
be
funded
and
I
use
that
emphasize
of
where
it
has
to
be
funded.
That's
why
I'm
not
really
convinced
that
that
B
is
the
way
to
go
as
opposed
to
C,
but
so
I
just
want
to
toss
this
out.
There.
G
If,
for
argument's
sake,
mr.
Baird,
you
might
want
to
come
join
this
discussion
if,
for
argument's
sake,
the
city
stopped
growing
today,
okay,
obviously,
that's
not
reality,
but
for
purposes
of
this
discussion
we
have
capped.
This
city
out
put
up
signs
say:
do
not
enter
okay.
Then
the
question
is:
what
do
we
need
to
keep
the
city
running?
Wait,
water
and
wastewater
for
the
next
X
number
of
years.
I
would
answer
that
question
or
that
as
saying
C,
okay,
option
C,
but
it
looks
like
I'm
gonna
get
rebuttal.
G
So
that's,
okay,
that's
why
I
throw
it
out
there
I'll
just
continue
that
it.
If
my
assumption
is
correct
that
we
don't
need
any
new,
necessarily
any
new
water
and
or
wastewater
treatment
capacity
without
the
growth.
Well,
then,
let
me
let
me
jump
over
to
a
different
part
of
the
same
discussion.
We
we
all
talked
about
the
fact
that
new
construction
should
pay
for
itself
somehow
or
another
okay,
and
we
talked
about
the
use
of
impact
fees.
G
G
I
think
wastewater
said:
they're,
not
building
any
additional
capacity.
So
we're
just
talking
about
the
difference
for
new
water
capacity,
and
why
should
the
existing
ratepayers
be
paying
for
new
water
capacity,
regardless
of
what
form
it
takes?
Mr.
Karlson
across
the
board
whether
or
not
it's
tap
or
some
other
reuse,
star,
what-have-you,
yes,
ma'am
and
and
and
I
guess,
I'm
waiting
for
the
rebuttal
that
was
jumping
up
so.
H
H
G
K
Want
to
address
the
impact
fees
first,
because
that
is
something
we
were
looking
at.
We
do
assess
some
fees
for
growth
right
now:
the
siak
fees.
We
have
two
different
areas
overseas,
where
we
charge
fees,
constant
construction
are
costs.
The
native
construction
ibly
is
the.
How
can
MC
act,
but
we
have
engaged
the
same
rate.
Consultants,
who's
looking
about.
K
K
G
K
K
G
K
To
just
address
the
impact
fees
first,
but
to
to
address
the
second
bullet
and
the
water
supply
and
the
reuse.
What
option
C
does
not
fund
is
what
we're
going
to
do
when
we
get
above
an
annual
average
day
of
eighty
two
million
gallons
a
day.
Nor
does
it
address
the
issues
that
we
have
right
now
when
we
have
a
drought
whenever
one
of
the
options
for
supplying
our
our
future
water
needs
is
just
to
buy
water
from
Tampa
Bay
water.
K
The
problem
with
option
C
is:
it
doesn't
include
the
cost
of
that
there's
a
pass-through
charge
that
happens
every
time
we
have
a
drought;
normally,
no
one
ever
sees
it,
but
it's
substantial.
It's
the
it's
it'll
end
up
being
the
unitary
rate
that
we
all
pay
as
member
governments
whenever
we
buy
water
from
Tampa
Bay
water.
K
Well,
when
you
couple
that,
with
the
water
quality
problems
we
have,
when
we
buy
water
from
Tampa
Bay
water,
we
will
need
to
further
treat
that
water
or
engage
Tampa
Bay
water
to
further
treat
that
water,
so
that
it
meets
the
same
regulations
and
we
end
up
with
the
same
water
quality
that
we
have
in
the
rest
of
the
system.
The.
G
Chain
again,
it
goes
back
to
the
same
core
question
over
these
past
15
years
that
I've
been
around
in
this
this
or
any
similar
capacity.
You
know
we
were
sort
of
we're
sort
of
at
at
a
certain
level.
We
had
some
bad
time
back
in
2009,
but
other
than
that
we
stay
under
that
we
stay
within
that.
You
know
80
80
to
90
million,
generally
speaking
as
well,
but
I've
been
aware
of.
But
the
thing
that
will
push
us
up
higher
than
that
is
our
is
the
growth.
G
Is
the
growth
of
the
city,
so
I
guess
my
going
back
to
the
core
question.
I'm
trying
to
restate
four
different
times
is:
if
that's
the
case
and
yes
I
realize
it's
a
reality,
it
is
a
reality.
We
are
going
to
be
above
that,
but
my
point
is:
let's
figure
out
a
way
for
those
new
folks
to
be
paying
for
that
Delta
that
that
is
going
to
take
us
there
up
it
up
above
there.
The.
K
C
Councilman
ding
friller
could
I
just
make
a
suggestion.
Please
yeah,
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
we
could
all
say
about.
This
I
mean,
for
example,
at
least
have
it
I
know.
My
colleague
here
is
on
the
board
of
Tampa
Bay,
whatever
at
least
have
a
Tampa
Bay
Water
disagree
with
the
term
poor
wallet,
water
quality
and
there's
a
whole
conversation,
the
technical
conversation
that
we
could
get
into
about
that,
but
there
are
alternatives
to
to
tap
and
the
in
the
growth
issues,
and
all
that
my
suggestion,
you
do
what
you
think
is
best.
C
My
suggestion
is
that
we
send
this
to
public
comment
and
then,
and
then
separately
maybe
have
a
discussion
workshop
about
how
to
deal
with
the
50
mg
d,
reuse
and
then
also
how
to
deal
with
new
supply
or
a
new
new
supply
needs
in
the
future.
We
should
have
a
I
think
we
should
have
a
very
robust
conversation
about
tap
versus
the
alternatives
at
some
future
time.
But
it's
a
separate
conversation.
G
G
They're
recommending
B
and
they're
looking
for
a
vote
from
us
to
allow
B
to
proceed
I'm
a
little
concerned,
I'm,
okay
with
C,
which
is
a
sort
of
a
modified
version
of
B
I'm,
okay
with
C,
but
I'm,
not
thrilled
with
being
and
I
agree.
We
don't
have
enough
time
today
to
get
to
all
the
all
of
this
and
I'm
going
to
sort
of
stand
down,
but
I'm
not
willing
to
vote
for
for
B
I'm
willing
to
vote
for
for
C
and
just
just
to
be
able
to
put
the
community
on
notice.
K
G
F
When
I
have
my
discussion,
I
made
it
clear
when
you
address
council,
you
need
to
come
with
everything
you
need
to
put
it
all
on
the
table,
and
now
you
see
what
you
get
you've
got
questions
cuz.
We
didn't
put
it
all
on
the
table
in
your
presentation.
I
looked
at
I
mean
I
thought
I
wasted
my
time,
but
I
sent
some
things
that
I
told
you
about
acronyms.
If
people
need
to
know
what's
what.
F
I'm,
a
firm
believer
that
if
I'm
gonna
buy
something
I
want
to
buy
the
product,
I
don't
want
to
go
and
buy
a
product
and
down
the
road.
I
got
to
be
mad
about
that
product.
Cuz
I
didn't
get
all
the
nuts
and
bolts
in
that
product
and
firm
believer.
If
I
buy
something
I
want
to
make
sure
it's
long,
lasting,
buy,
invest
in
something
I
don't
want
to
go
back
because
the
product
wasn't
good
I
hear
mr.
Dean
field
is
saying,
but
I
like
I
like
be
myself.
F
I,
just
think
that
you
can't
keep
coming
back
to
the
people,
because
then
they
think
you're,
nibbling
and
diamond
can't
nickel
and
dime
people,
because
that's
that
you
people
say,
while
we're
trying
to
save
you.
But
now
you
got
to
come
back
and
ask
for
my
money.
You
have
to
put
it
all
on
the
line
when
you
ask
for
something,
because
if
you
don't
you
don't
get
what
you
want,
I
mean
I
made
that
clear,
I
talked
that
mean
if
you
want
something
you
got
to
put
it
all
on
the
table.
F
So
everyone
knows
what
you're
talking
about,
including
the
citizens
that
we
serve
you're
asking
for
us
to
make
a
look
on
some,
but
the
people
really
need
to
know
and
I
understanding
to
ask
questions
too.
But
for
me,
if
I,
if
I
had
to
go
somewhere
today
would
be
me
because
I
want
all
I,
don't
want
to
go
back
to
the
people
and
keep
nickel
and
diming
the
people.
We
know
we
need
what
we
need
and
we
haven't
got
it
I
just
told
you
that
mean
that
was
so
said.
F
The
guy
next
to
me
has
a
disability,
visible
wheelchairs
services
that
people
have
to
have
homes
on
my
street,
so
I
understand
the
concern
about
the
needs
of
our
pipes,
because
that's
right
every
time,
police
officer
I
know
when
it
gets
cold.
Those
pipes
bust
up.
You
got
a
clay,
pipe
iron
pipes
in
their
own.
This
isn't
over.
We
can
talk
about
impact
speed
later
on.
It's
on
my
new
construction.
Whatever
right
now,
we
have
to
look
at
the
main
need
right
now
on
how
it's
gonna
get
us
there
miss
little.
Is
this
Plan
B?
H
Councilman
Goodes,
based
on
the
engineering
that
was
provided
for
a
20-year
period
and
all
of
the
needs
that
have
been
identified
for
the
water
system,
the
wastewater
system.
We
believe
this
plan
will
get
us
there
to
accommodate
our
needs.
We
knew
and
with
our
earlier
discussions
that
everyone
wanted
to
see
an
all-in
plan.
So
that's
why
staff,
along
with
our
external
engineering
firms,
who
did
all
the
things
that
you
heard
our
two
directors
talk
about?
H
They
did
for
a
year
and
a
half
almost
two
years
straight
to
look
at
a
repipe
every
pump,
every
bolt
to
give
us
an
all-inclusive
comprehensive
plan
related
to
below
ground
above
ground,
as
well
as
factoring
in
what
our
future
capacity
needs
would
be.
The
plan
we
believe
we
have
before
you
is
an
all-in
plan.
The
funding
plan
that
associated
with
that
again
is
a
plan
that
we
believe
we
can
accommodate.
All
of
these
needs
to
operate.
H
C
Just
to
councilmember
ting
fellers
point
a
minute
ago:
I
have
long
discussions
with
the
staff
about
alternatives
to
tap
the
one
of
them.
If
you
have
the
three
hundred
fifty
million
dollars
included,
you
could
buy
a
whole
lot
of
wholesale
water
from
tap
water,
for
example,
and
even
if
it
needs
additional
treatment,
you
could
add
that
in
another
alternative
we
talked
about
star,
you
could
buy
a
whole
bunch
of
star
program
for
350
million
dollars.
C
The
question
is
whether
any
of
that
makes
sense,
and
we
shouldn't
debate
that
now,
because
we're
gonna
run
out
of
time.
But
but
my
suggestion
is,
we
leave
the
money
in
because
then
we
can
debate
that
what
the
money
should
be
spent
on
later.
We
know
that
we
need
supply
and
reuse.
The
the
other
thing,
though,
is
I'm
interested
to
see
what
the
motion
is.
We're
going
to
suggest,
because
I
think
all
we're
doing
is
suggesting
that
this
go
to
public
involvement,
and
could
we
just
go
to
the
schedule
side
real
fast.
C
My
professional
background
is
is
in
part,
public
engagement,
and
my
professional
recommendation
is
that
you
include
more
public
engagement
than
this
this
when
I
look
at
a
schedule
like
this.
What
this
looks
to
me
like
is
that
the
public
engagement
is
going
to
be
in
this
room
with
City,
Council
and
I,
strongly
recommend
that
you
include
socializing
this
and
deeply
informing
the
community
about
it
with
a
much
more
robust
schedule.
I
mean
at
the
very
least
I
think
there
needs
to
be
a
public
meeting
in
each
district.
C
I
think
there
should
be
there's
no
discussion
really
about
how
it
will
impact
businesses.
There
needs
to
be
a
discussion
with
the
the
Tampa
chamber
and
other
groups.
Ideally,
groups
fan
neighborhood
groups
and
the
other
thing
by
the
way
that
I,
don't
see
in
here
and
I
forgot
to
ask
yesterday
is
conservation.
L
The
and
we
do
not
select
tap
or
another
potable
reuse
project
that
350
million
I
would
venture
to
say
it
would
be
more
than
that
would
be
needed
to
expand
the
reuse
system
to
remove
the
nutrients
from
the
bay.
It
would
be
needed
to
pour
water
quality
improvements
as
councilman
Carlson
just
mentioned,
and
that
is
not
going
to
be
cheap.
It's
going
to
be
basically
a
water
softening
plan
to
further
treat
the
water
that's
coming
out
at
the
more
spirit.
L
And
you
know,
expansion
of
the
reclaim
system,
don't
forget
the
wastewater
side
of
putting
the
nutrients
in
the
bay
and
providing
saltwater
intrusion
barriers
inland.
So
there
are
a
lot
of
environmental
benefits
that
I
would
argue
existing
customers
to
certainly
participate
in,
as
well
as
the
new
customers
that
come
in
as
to
the
public
outreach,
we
agree.
We
we
need
to
hit
that
hard
between
now
and
September
5th
and
I
apologize
for
the
wrong
date
up
there
and.
L
Do
a
rape
joke,
you
know
hits
hit
social
media.
We
we
just
simply
need
to
do
that
to
get
the
work
word
out
there
as
to
what
we're
proposing
I
mean.
This
is
something
that's
unprecedented.
It
will
likely
be
the
largest
effort
ongoing
in
this
city
at
3.2
billion
dollars.
So
I
just
wanted
to
address
those
two
things
and
turn
it
back
over.
D
With
all
sediments
have
been
say
that
agree,
certainly
with
councilmember
goos
I
agreed
with
councilmember
Carlson
I
could
read
with
what
you
just
said,
and
we've
never
that
I
know
of
never
had
a
project
that
was
never
advertised
to
the
public
and
that
the
public
note.
Certainly
now
you
have
social
media
that
20
years
ago
you
didn't
have
and
and
when
I
look
at
the
at
the
project,
it
ends
in
2038
right.
So
oddly,
that's
the
same
number.
D
D
It's
necessary
to
fix
something:
guess
what,
when
you
get
to
the
end,
you
gonna
pay
again
and
you'll
pay
again.
If
you
buy
a
six
cylinder
car,
it
doesn't
come
with
a
four
cylinder
engine.
It
comes
with
a
six
cylinder
engine,
so
we're
doing
with.
We
need
to
fix
what
we
have
to
the
best
of
our
ability
and
I
applaud.
D
The
presentation,
whether
we
agree
or
disagree
is
another
item,
but
when
you're
looking
what
we
have
to
do
and
how
you
have
to
do,
it
just
think
if
we
had
the
same
idea
now
that
happened
to
the
forefathers
were
behind
this.
That
did
the
two
sherry
treatment
plan
and
then
he
expand
the
plan
where
they're
considering
growth,
no,
they
considered
necessity
so
that
plant
wasn't
expanded
to
96
million.
What
would
be
at
today
anybody
answer
that
what.
N
L
D
D
D
So
when
you
look
at
the
chart
of
the
flow
chart
of
rapes,
that's
what
I
look
at
so
for
the
last
40
years,
no
City
and
under
these
cities
the
same
scenarios
that
we
have
here
has
ever
been
close
to
the
rate
that
we
charged
none
and
now
it's
the
time
that
the
can't
cannot
be
kicked
any
further,
because
if
you
don't
do
anything,
the
cost
of
just
repairing,
not
forget
about
replacing
well
over
costs.
If
you
leave
it
the
way
it
is
in
the
next
20
years,
you'll
have
more
cost
of
repairing
there.
D
That's
why
I
got
a
couple
of
dollars
in
the
bank.
I
don't
go
to
football
stadiums,
yeah
a
hateful
one!
Could
I
get
a
rebate,
I,
don't
know
anywhere
I,
don't
have
I,
never
had
a
kid
in
public
school.
Do
I
ask
for
a
rebate
I
paid
for
that
school
because
they
need
a
necessity
for
society,
not
for
me,
but
for
everybody.
D
D
A
stadium,
no,
no,
in
fact,
I
never
have
voted
for
one,
never
will
not
because
I
don't
like
sports,
because
they're
getting
your
money-
and
this
is
what
you
got
elected
for
for
this-
nothing
for
nothing
else.
I'm,
not
preaching
I'm.
Just
saying
the
facts
and
I
appreciate
whether
I
disagree
with
you
at
times
and
I
do
quite
often,
as
you
well
know,
it
is
what
it
is
and
when
you
talked
about
star-
and
you
talked
about
other
things,
the
costs
of
putting
it
in
far
exceeds
the
return.
D
We
tried
it
and
I'm
not
going
there,
because
I
know
what
the
figures
are:
I'm,
not
gonna
bring
them.
We
tried
other
things,
and
the
only
thing
that
works
is
what
you,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
presenting
and,
by
the
way,
I
see
what
y'all
did
you
had.
The
three
people
make
the
presentation
and
the
closer
was
right.
There
I
saw
what
you
did
and
you're
very,
very
intelligent
in
doing
that.
Thank.
G
L
G
G
Well,
I'd
like
us
to
explore
that,
because
I
think
it's
appropriate
I
think
that
new
construction
should
pay
for
itself
and
I'll.
Give
you
an
example
if,
if
over
the
next
10
15
20
years,
we
25,000
new
residential
dwelling
units,
which
I
think
is
completely
reasonable-
that
there
might
be
25,000
new
residential
dwelling
units
over
the
next
X
number
of
years.
The
the
window
that
we're
looking
at
if
we
had
a
thousand
dollar
fee
associated
with
that
for
those
new
newcomers
to
help
contribute
they're
going
to
be
paying
their
normal
water
bill.
G
But
there
also
would
be
helping
to
contribute
to
pay
for
this
additional
capacity
that
we're
gonna
need
one
way
or
the
other.
That
would
comes
out
to
25
million
dollars.
It's
not
an
insignificant
insignificant
contribution
from
those
people
who
are
moving
here
too.
So
the
people
who
don't
who
already
live
here,
don't
have
to
pay
that
25
million
dollars
the
roads
are
getting
busier.
Everything
is
getting
busier.
The
community
is
growing,
some
people
are
for
it.
Some
people
are
against
it,
I'm
not
weighing
into
that,
but
I'm.
K
B
G
G
C
B
L
J
C
Could
I
could
I,
maybe
suggest
some
phraseology
could
could
we
propose?
Would
we
make
a
motion
to
approve
allowing
the
public
works
whatever
department
to
take
this
idea
to
the
public
to
get
input
to
bring
back
to
us?
We're
not
my
the
difference
here
is
we're
not
today
saying
we're
four
against
that
we
just
want
the
public
to
give
input.
In
addition
to
that,
one
thing:
I'd
recommend
on
this
slide
that
you
have
showing
you
have
a
number
for
consider
rate
increase.
C
I
would
suggest
that
you
add
a
number
for
or
sorry
the
last
point
that
it
new
rates
if
approved,
would
become
effective.
You
know
in
public
engagement
if
you
chose
a
slot,
something
like
that.
People
think
it's
a
done
deal
and
you're
and
you're
not
gonna,
listen
to
them,
so
I
hope
that
we
genuinely
listen
the
public.
C
L
J
J
N
B
C
B
B
Under
the
statute,
we
need
to
notice
a
through
using
the
utility
billing
process
notice,
the
public
of
when
a
public
hearing
will
be
set
so
that
they
can
participate
and
I
believe
what
you
had
heard
previously,
as
the
the
folks
had
indicated.
That
September
5th
would
be
the
time
that
we
could
set
that
public
hearing.
So.
C
In
the
language
of
it
legally
sorry
in
the
language
of
it,
can
we
say:
can
we
use
what
you
said
here,
we're
considering
a
rate
increase,
we're
considering
a
plan,
and
we
can
we
not
I.
Just
don't
want
to
give
the
impression
that's
a
foregone
conclusion,
because
we
we
could
come
back
on
September
5th
or
whatever
and
say
you
know.
This
is
a
terrible
idea.
Absolutely.
B
B
C
As
I
as
I
said
earlier,
if
that
is
the
is
that,
if
that
date
is
the
focal
point,
we're
all
gonna
be
in
big
trouble.
This
is
one
of
the
biggest
things.
That's
ever
happened
in
this
city,
and
it
will
definitely
I
think
be
the
biggest
now
that
the
airport
projects
or
it'll
be
the
biggest
thing,
that's
happening
in
the
next
few
years
and
maybe
even
doing
a
recession
we
in
it
and
for
some
people
this
is
a
big
rate
increase.
C
We
need
to
make
sure
that
there's
robust
conversation
and
the
the
notice
of
the
public
meeting
we
need
to
get
out
there
in
lots
of
ways
but
I'm,
hoping
that
everybody
we
run
into
in
the
community
knows
all
about
this,
and
is
that
all
their
question
in
the
comments
asked
and
submitted
way
before
we
get
to
September
5th?
Please.
D
D
E
H
Right
this,
this
public
hearing
is
no
different
than
we
do
for
all
of
our
public
hearings,
where
the
public
has
the
right
to
come
and
provide
input
related
to
the
recommended
proposed
rate
increase.
This
is
a
normal
course
of
business.
In
some
cases
we
advertise
in
this
case,
according
to
miss
McLean,
we're
required
under
florida
statutes
to
put
it
in
the
customer
utility
bill.
We
are
prepared
to
do
that
and
we'll
move
forward
doing
that
with
your
authorization.
Okay,.
F
Don't
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
that,
but
what
I
do
have
will
issue
is
that
we
don't
mark
it
well
here,
if
you
put
it
out
in
the
utility
bill.
What
other
means
after
that
you're
gonna,
let
the
public
know
because,
like
mr.
Carlson's
around
us
it
this
is
a
big
deal
and
we
don't
want
to
be
in
a
position
that
he
was
able.
F
H
Goods
we
heard
you
loud
and
clear
and
other
council
members
also
about
the
concern
of
properly
notifying
the
public,
so
the
first
step
in
the
authorization
that
goes
out
in
the
utility
bills.
It
will
not
be
a
line-item.
It
will
be
a
separate
brightly,
colored
sheet
to
to
communicate
the
intent
and
also
to
to
notify
of
the
public
hearing
for
September
5th.
In
addition
to
that,
we've
already
started
talking
about
partnering
with
our
neighborhood
liaisons
within
the
city,
to
further
get
the
information
out
in
the
neighborhood
meetings,
in
addition
to
using
our
social
media
efforts.
N
Is
a
clarification,
and
certainly
mr.
Klain
could
talk
to
it,
but
the
authorization
to
the
notice
to
to
notice
the
public
of
a
rate
increase.
The
question:
is
you
have
three
different
scenarios?
Do
you
require
council
to
give
you
direction
today
with
regard
to
which
of
the
three
scenarios
does
that
have
to
appear
in
the
notice?
Okay,
thank.
J
J
C
J
Just
a
piggyback
on
that
you
know
the
administration.
Everyone
here
is
asking
us
for
billions
of
dollars.
What
is
what
would
it
take
to
spend
a
couple
dollars
more
to
put
it
in
the
newspaper
social
media,
not
just
in
the
utility
bill,
but
there
are
people
that
you
know
they'll
skip
right
over
it,
but
they're
opening
up
like
I
said
there
are
the
four
dissents
all.
H
H
You
know
we've
been
having
this
conversation
or
verbalizing
it
for
quite
a
quite
a
while.
Now
we
we
are
not,
we
don't
have
any
problem
with
doing
the
advertisements
with
doing
the
community
outreach
we've
committed
to
doing
that,
and
we
will
keep
you
apprised
as
to
the
efforts
being
made
between
now
and
September
5th.
As
far
as
notifying
the
public.
C
Can
I
say
one
with
Orlando
and
I
in
in
the
seat?
Row:
who's,
not
here
we're
all
in
the
Charter
Review
Commission
and,
as
example,
of
our
experience
and
if
we
keep
mentioning
this,
we
apologize.
But
in
in
that,
in
those
meetings
we
had
every
meeting
was
public,
but
two
of
them
were
in
particular
public
meetings,
and
we
unanimously
nine
of
us
unanimously
requested
that
the
administration
advertise
and
they
did
it.
C
And
then
we
said
well,
it's
free
to
set
up
a
Facebook
page
for
the
event,
and
we
were
unanimous
requested
that
the
administration
area
quite
put
up
a
Facebook
page
event
and
the
feedback
from
the
administration
two
weeks
later
was
no
and
and
so
that
all
that
is
deleted
into
Orlando.
This
is
a
new
day
with
a
new
administration
I
watching
the
new
mayor
and
and
in
communicating
with
her
I.
C
Think
it's
a
completely
new
era
and
I
think
that
she's,
given
the
directive
to
everyone
to
engage
the
public
and
listen
the
public
and
I
think
you
know
we're
sorry
if
we
sound
like
broken
records,
but
I
think
the
change
administration
is
going
to
drastically
help
all
this
and
we
won't
have
to
harp
on
it
as
much
going
for
it.
But
this
is
the
biggest
thing
that
the
city
is
gonna.
Do
for
a
long
time,
I.
G
C
G
I
appreciate
mr.
Carlson's
background
in
public
relations
and
and
I
agree
with
him.
I
think
this
should
be
called
something
like
potential
rate
increase
wherever
we're
talking
about
it
as
long
as
that's
legally
sufficient
because
we're
not
committed
yet
you
know
we
wouldn't
be
committed
until
until
we
vote
whenever
you're
asking
us
to
vote,
September,
October,
whatever
I,
guess
and
I,
think
it's
important.
You
know
they.
They
say.
Oh
it's
just
semantics,
but
I
think
it's
important.
The
other
thing
is
mr.
Carlson
I
appreciate
your
suggestion
and
I'm.
G
J
J
D
G
J
N
J
C
C
J
G
C
H
J
J
J
O
I'm
here
I'm
going
to
provide
you
some
an
update
on
some
of
the
background
information
about
this
particular
issue,
and
this
halfpipe,
the
you
mean
the
answer
and
one
that
the
part
of
motion
says
what
you
can
do
in
the
short
term
and
then
in
the
long
term,
Kristen
and
Rebecca
are
going
to
talk
about
the
long
term
possibilities
for
you
to
consider
my
background
information
is
that
y'all
know
hit
the
the
gentleman
has
applied
for
permits.
He
started
to
rebuild
it.
O
He
has
not
called
in
for
his
first
inspection,
so
there
were
some
issues
about
whether
the
drainage
is
gonna
work
or
it's
not
going
to
work
and
retaining
along
some
of
the
other
items.
Mr.
hatch
had
mentioned
both
in
his
letter
and
at
times
he
said
before
you
until
he
calls
it
for
that
first
inspection
on
his
active
permit.
We
won't
go
out
there
and
that's
by
our
process
in
our
code.
We
won't
go
out
there
and
do
the
inspection
and
evaluate
whether
the
drainage
works
or
not,
unfortunately,
the
retaining
wall.
O
Ultimately,
if
it's
leaning
and
it's
falling
and
if
it's,
if
it's
causing
the
drainage
to
not
do
what
his
plans
show,
then
we
will
address
that
the
leaning
of
the
wall
onto
mr.
hatches
property
is
a
civil
matter,
and
he
understands
that.
He
and
I
have
been
talking
out
in
the
hall
earlier
and
before
to
the
other
item
we
opened.
O
He,
he
still
has
an
active
code
enforcement
case
for
the
half
pipe
he's
also
been
cited
for
an
additional
code
enforcement
case,
because
when
he
was
putting
his
place
in
review,
they
discovered
that
he
had
expanded
his
driveway
and
they
he
ran
his
sidewalk
against
the
city
codes.
Who
has
been
cited
for
that
as
well
and
then,
in
the
course
of
action
of
our
inspectors
out
there,
we
found
that
he
had
also
built
a
pergola,
an
extension
of
patio
with
the
roof
on
it,
which
also
needed
a
permit.
O
Did
that
work
with
our
permits
under
citation
for
that,
so
that
particular
citizen
is
under
three
different
citations
for
different
things,
they're
all
not
related,
but
that's
what's
going
on
and
we're
working
through
that
process.
You
know
it's
a
code
enforcement
process,
they
have
to
go
out
and
have
to
re-inspect,
etc,
etc.
So
the
short
term
is
that
we
are
working
through
all
of
this
various
processes.
In
spite
of
the
the
character
of
this
particular
gentleman,
we
have
to
follow
our
due
process.
O
O
Yeah
so
in
the
short
term,
we're
doing
everything
that
we
can
right
now
to
reign.
This
particular
issue
in
the
review
we're
not
going
to
pass
until
it
meets
all
codes
and
also
knees
and
setback
requirements.
At
this
point
is
it:
it
is
a
legal
allowable
kind
of
accessory
structure
that
you
know
like
a
batting
cage,
a
basketball
court,
a
swimming
pool,
tree
houses
and
play
structures
all
of
those
things
kind
of
get
lumped
into
the
similar
kind
of
thing.
O
J
It
begins
with
the
skate
structure
and
then
there's
no
permits
for
the
patio.
Then
there's
driveway
expansion
issues,
then
there's
no
respect
for
the
city
of
Tampa.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
not
just
well,
it's
a
bad
neighbor
and
an
escape
ramp
makes
a
ton
of
noise.
On
top
of
that,
I
mean
the
entire
house
is,
is
an
in
violation.
Essentially
I
mean
with
everything
that's
done.
O
F
O
It's
through
our
code
enforcement
process
he's
been
citing
he's
got.
Those
three
he's
got
to
come
in
compliance
when
they
go
back
out
and
they
rien
Specht
in
fifteen
or
thirty
days
or
whatever
that
time
for
him
was
I,
don't
know
the
exact
timeframe.
He
will
either
pass
or
he
will
fail
if
he
fails.
The
next
step
is
you
welcome
to
the
hearing
magistrate
hearing
magistrate
hears
him,
finds
him
guilty
or
not
guilty.
If
you
find
some
guilty,
he
can
go
ahead
and
start
leaning
the
property.
This.
O
F
O
O
O
Well
before
you
do
anything,
complement
I'd
like
you
to
listen
to
talk
to
listen
what
Kristin
has
to
say,
because
we
have
had
conversations
about
where
what
you
can
do
in
the
future
and
I
think
mr.
hatch,
realizes
that
you
know
he's
kind
of
stuck
in
a
rock
and
a
hard
place
with
this
particular
one,
but
I
think
he
has
a
larger
issue
generally
with
these
things
going
in
and
around
the
city,
so
yeah
I
think
Kristin's
gonna
outline
some
or
ask
you
what
you
you're
thinking
about
lining
much
in
the
line
of
mr.
O
O
E
Were
illegal
Department,
so
recreational
structures
are
allowed
in
residential
districts.
In
fact,
private
recreational
facilities
that
are
could
potentially
have
large
and
loud
recreational
facilities
are
allowed
in
residential
districts.
That
is
the
policy
that
set
out
in
the
code.
Currently
City
Council
has
the
ability
to
change
that
through
land
development
regulations,
the
only
caveat
I
would
give
you
to
that
is
you
know
when
you're
crafting
land
development
regulations,
you
have
to
treat
alike
things
alike,
and
you
know
you
have
to
have
a
police
power.
E
You
know
Public
Health,
Public,
Safety,
Public,
Welfare
reason
for
what
you
do
so
you
know
as
you're
thinking
about
these
things
and
and
what
the
particular
issue
is.
You
know
if
the
concern
is
the
noise
associated
it
with
it?
We
do
have
the
noise
ordinance.
There
was
a
bulletin
to
tpd
that
they
can't
enforce
the
noise
ordinance
against
this
skate
skating
park,
so
that
is
an
available
Avenue
to
try
and
stop
excessive
noise
from
these.
E
If
the,
but
also
if
the
concern
is
noise,
then
you
know
you
should
also
think
about
other
potentially
noisy
structures,
so
that
you're,
not
you,
you
wouldn't
want
to
pick
just
one
thing
you
would
want
to
look
at
you
know
these
types
of
you
know
serious
noise
causing
type
of
recreational
facilities.
Likewise,
if
your
concern
is
privacy,
you
know
there's
structures.
Accessory
structures
are
allowed
to
be
15
feet
by
right
under
the
code
and
privacy
walls
can
only
be
six
feet,
so
that
might
be
something
that
City
Council
to
think
about.
E
G
This
is
really
one
of
those
unfortunate
things
and
I've
direct
my
comments
to
a
certain
degree
to
the
to
the
neighbor
who's
back
in
the
audience,
because
I'm
not
really
convinced
other
than
these
code
enforcement
things
that
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
give
you
a
great
solution
and
I
just
like
to
be
straightforward
and
and
honest
as
possible.
Just
because
we're
we're
sort
of
chasing
the
train.
G
That's
just
my
humble
possible
legal
opinion
that
don't
quote
me
on
it,
but
but
anyway,
with
that
said,
I
think
that
it's
inherent
in
this
board
to
initiate
an
ordinance
prohibiting
residential
skate
parks.
I,
you
know
I,
don't
want
to
try
and
go
into
imagining
what
other
types
of
recreational
activities
we
might
want
to
prohibit.
I,
don't
I
can't
think
of
any
others.
Generally,
you
know
people
aren't
building
tennis
courts
and
other
you
know,
problem
type
things
in
their
backyards,
at
least
then
not
in
50-foot
Lots.
G
But
now
we
can
see
a
skateboard
facility
in
tight
residential
RS,
50
SRS
60s,
maybe
even
Rs
75
s
or
hundreds
are
problematic
and
I
think
that
at
a
minimum
it's
not
going
to
help
that
gentleman,
but
at
a
minimum
we
should
prohibit
future
development
of
skateboard
facilities.
We
don't
have
to
draft
that.
We
don't
have
to
figure
it
out.
G
That's
why
we
have
brilliant
counsel
and
staff
to
do
it
and
it's
not
something
that
has
to
be
done
overnight,
but
I
think
in
the
regular
course
of
business
in
the
next
cycle,
ordinance
zoning
ordinance,
psych
well
I-
think
we
should
figure
out
how
to
do
that.
With
that
said,
I
will
make
a
motion
that
we
direct
staff
and
legal
to
draft
and
bring
back
a
potential
ordinance
that
prohibits
skateboard
facilities
in
certain
residential
neighborhoods.
E
C
J
C
N
Believe
the
workshop
presently
has
force
commendations
and
then
there's
going
to
be
the
rest
of
the
morning
will
be
to
discuss,
affordable
housing.
I
would
recommend,
because
you
do
have
a
time
certain
1:30
to
3:30
no
later
than
3:30
land
use
workshop.
That's
been
scheduled
that
you
do
keep
in
mind
that
it
probably
would
be
in
councils
best
interest
to
take
a
lunch
break.
So.
C
C
J
C
F
J
N
N
At
the
end
of
the
workshop
agenda
item
and
the
way
that
is
structured,
three
minutes
per
speaker,
the
reason
you
had
done,
that
is
because
the
community,
when
you
had
structured
workshops,
is
they
wanted
to
hear
what
Steph's
position
is,
or
they
wanted
to
hear
what
the
city's
position
was
before
they
had
an
opportunity
to
comment
on
it.
No
official
action
on
the
matter,
which
is
the
subject
of
the
workshop,
shall
be
taken
during
or
after
a
workshop,
unless
the
public
is
afforded
the
opportunity
to
comment
prior
to
final
action.
N
If
there
is
counsel,
if
this
is
a
very
lengthy
subject,
this
could
then
be,
and
you
are
constrained
by
time-
you
can
shorten
public
comment.
You
can
ask
that
it
not
be
repetitive.
You
could
call
upon
those
people
who
you
wish
to
have
in
the
audience
who
you
wish
to
have
make
a
presentation.
The
chair
will
have
the
opportunity
to
preside
over
the
meeting
and
set
time
limits,
as
council
sees
fit.
J
C
Yeah
and
I
know
you
you
all
seen
the
mayor
is
very
interested
in
this
subject
and
is
gonna,
be
probably
presenting
some
ideas
through
her
staff.
But
the
question
is:
are
you?
Are
you
all,
okay,
that
whoever
whatever
experts
we
might
want
to
weigh
in
we'll
just
have
them
line
up
with
the
public?
We
won't
have
all
right
what
what
I
don't
want
to
do
is
if,
if
councilmember
Goods
has
two
people
he
want
and
then
and
then
you
know,
the
chamber
gets
left
out
or
whoever
gets
left
out.
We
want
to
make.
J
N
N
C
N
C
J
C
To
throw
out
on
the
table
I've
gotten
more
e-mails
and
calls
about
scooters
than
anything
else
in
the
last
month.
I
don't
have
to
make
a
decision
today,
but
I
suggest
for
a
month
from
now
or
two
months
from
now
that
we
get
the
four
companies
to
come
in
and
just
tell
us
what
they've
learned
and
what
they're
doing
to
adapt
to
to
complaints
from
the
public.
Now.
J
C
What
what
I
would
prefer
is
that
before
we
get
to
that
point,
that
we
are
able
to
give
them
feedback,
so
they
can
modify
it
whatever
their
and,
if
you
all
want
to
do
it
sooner,
we
can
I've
talked
to
a
couple
of
them
and
they
they
said.
You
know
it's
in
their
best
interest
to
try
to
fix
these
problems
and
I.
Think
they're,
aware
of
the
problems
but
I.
Just
since
we're
not
allowed
to
talk
in
the
halls
about
it,
I
just
want
to
throw
it
out
there.
C
G
C
J
I'll
tell
you
a
story:
we,
my
friend
and
I,
came
down
last
Sunday
to
ride
him
and
when
we
approached
the
Cass
Street
bridge,
it
said
you're,
you
are
approaching
you're
going
outside
the
geofence
and
it
shut
down.
So
it
didn't.
Let
you
go
to
I
was
gonna,
go
to
Julian
Lane
and
whatever
so
we
went
to
eat
war
City
his
scooter
died.
The
thing
is,
you
don't
know
how
much
battery
it
has
until
you
pay
for
it
and
activated.
You
know
they
told
you
the
dollar
to
turn
it
on.
J
So
his
scooter
died
and
he's
rolling
down.
Florida
Avenue
on
a
sidewalk
pushing
down
manually
but
I
have
received
some
emails
to
people
complaining,
especially
on
the
Bayshore
and
then
with
in
Ybor
City.
But
base
was
the
biggest
problem
and
folks
that
you
know
with
wheelchair
accessibility
or
saying
they're
in
the
middle
of
the
sidewalks
and
whatnot
so
I.
C
J
D
J
G
It's
funny
in
my
little
pile
of
emotions
here.
Motion
number
three
says:
let's
bring
it
back:
June
27th
for
a
staff
report
and
if
we
can
get
vendors
that'd
be
great
and
I'm
not
trying
to
kill
it,
but
I.
Just
I
saw
it
coming
I.
You
know
I'm
sure
everybody's
seen
it
in
other
cities,
but
my
wife
and
I
were
in
Los
Angeles
last
year
and
I
saw
them
strewn
across
the
sidewalks
and
I
said:
oh
boy,
that's
gonna
come
to
Tampa
and
sure
enough.
I
see
them
straight
across
sidewalks.
D
G
Get
through
a
different
issue,
but
my
that's
one
of
my
biggest
concerns
is,
is
just
you
know,
strewn
on
the
sidewalk
and
I'm,
not
saying
it's
the
vendors
fault
per
se,
because
the
vendor
doesn't
want
them
screw
it
on
the
sidewalks.
But
if
the
users
are
just
gonna,
do
it
until
it
stops
and
instead
of
at
least
politely
putting
it
on
the
side
of
the
sidewalk,
they
just
screw
it
in
the
middle
of
the
sidewalk,
then
we
got
a
problem
and
it's
only
gonna
become
a
bigger
problem.
So.
C
If
that's
emotion,
I
was
sick
of
them.
I
won't
be
here
on
that
day
by
the
way,
but
I'll.
Second,
that
motion
I
think
we
just
need
to
let
the
public
know
that
we're
they
were
paying
attention
and
yeah
and
and
we're
not
against
it.
We
I
think
the
vendors
are
are
trying
to
correct
the
problems,
but
maybe
by
then
they'll
tell
us
the
solutions
all.
J
G
C
Two
more
hopefully
quick
things
in
the
past
Council
has
passed
resolutions
regarding
Cuba
and
I.
Think
most
of
you
know
that
I
have
been
a
proponent
for
easing
restrictions.
The
changes
that
were
just
made
were
could
be
devastating
in
lots
of
ways
for
our
area,
and
we
can
go
into
this
later.
I
would
like
to
propose
that
I
bring
back
a
draft
motion.
I
mean
a
draft
resolution
next
week.
It
would
be
relatively
benign
just
to
say
that
that
we
disagree
with
the
policy
of
not
allowing
American
citizens
to
travel
to
Cuba.
It's
not.
C
J
C
The
way
just
so
you
all
know
I
if
I
could
take
30
more
seconds,
that
the
the
Ambassador
from
Cuba
is
coming
in
a
couple
weeks
and
the
LA
there
were
a
lot
of
us.
The
council
memoranda
in
particular
have
spent
lots
of
time
trying
to
build
relationships
with
the
possibility
of
Cuba
opening
up
and
when
it
finally
did
back
in
2014
to
some
extent
we
were
caught
flat-footed
and
everybody
else
in
the
u.s.
rushed
ahead
of
us.
C
The
good
news
is
that
this
gives
us
at
least
a
couple
years
to
to
rebuild
opportunities,
and
we
can
have
a
more
robust
discussion
about
it
later,
but
but
at
the
very
least,
if
we
could
pass
a
resolution
saying
that
we
disagree
with
the
policy
of
not
allowing
American
citizens
to
go
to
Cuba,
that's
something
that
we
could
either
send
to
the
Trump
administration
and
or
we
could
give
to
the
Cuban
ambassador.
There
have
been
other
similar
resolutions
in
the
past.
All.
N
N
B
C
So
this
is
for
the
Everett,
the
viewers
on
TV,
if
they're
still
watching
June
12th
6:00
to
8:00
p.m.
the
mayor's
hosting
the
mayor's
forum
on
the
Arts.
This
is
the
show
her
commitment
to
the
Arts
or
love
of
the
art
she's,
an
art
collector.
There
will
be
three
panels:
discussion,
plus
public
input
on
the
arts
and
it's
a
free
event.
J
F
Let's
chair,
like
that
Minda
a
previous
motion
I
made
on
May
16
2019
pertaining
to
affordable
housing.
My
motion
now
includes
I
would
like
to
have
Vanessa
McCleary,
Housing
and
Community
Development
and
Monica
main
real
estate
manager.
Tim.
This
workshop
went
junit
William
319
be
prepared
to
discuss
the
plan.
The
city
has
for
lack
of
a
housing
and
also
as
it
relates
to
district
5.
G
J
N
C
C
C
J
F
J
F
One
mr.
chair
I'll
make
a
motion
to
give
accommodation
to
Janelle
Hernandez.
It
was
temperate
elementary
schools
to
who
was
given.
The
caspere's
cares
good
character
award
in
Hillsborough,
County
Schools
for
care
concern
and
she
shows
to
others
ENL.
It
takes
it
upon
herself
to
look
at
that.
Another
student
with
special
medical
needs
every
day
as
she
gets
off.
The
school
bus
I'll
represent
this
combination
to
jail
to
janella
on
Thursday
June,
22
2019.
J
G
J
J
G
Let
me
let
me
add
on
well:
we
voted
on
it,
but
I
meant
to
include
the
Lopez
pool,
because
isn't
that
sorry
about
that?
Isn't
that
isn't
that
something
that
we
are
concerned
about
as
well?
The
altmer
Lopez
pool
I.
J
G
G
Yes,
so
years
ago
we
passed
what
we
called
our
got:
the
green
ordinance
and
I
don't
think
it's
been
touched
ever
since
the
green
ordinance
addresses
sustainability
issues.
What
the
city
you
know
what
the
city
does
internally,
what
sort
of
potential
incentives
we
offer
to
the
community
to
be
more
quote,
green,
etc.
I'd,
like
a
report,
a
staff
report
on
that
issue,
September
19th
it
gives
that
gives
some
plenty
of
time.
G
G
Who
has
many
many
other
hats
to
wear.
You
know
I
think
we
should
have
a
sustainability
officer.
Who
only
does
that
you
know
24/7
or
at
least
40
hours
a
week.
So
with
all
that
said,
my
motion
would
be
to
have
a
staff
report
on
the
green
building
ordinance
on
sustainability
to
address
where
we've
been
since
the
green
ordinance
was
originally
enacted
and
where
we're
headed
to
make
our
community
even
more
green
in
the
years
to
come.
C
Can
I
just
say:
I
talked
to
Tom
Snelling
it
about
this
a
little
bit
a
couple
days
ago,
and
he
said
the
the
mayor
is
looking
to
take
the
sustainability
plan
to
the
next
level,
and
he
maybe
you
had
the
same
conversation,
but
do
you
think
that
that's
sufficient
time
for
them
to
put
it
together?
I
would
like
to
see
what
the
proposal
is
that
they
that
she
has
I.
Don't.
C
Showed
me
what
the
plan
has
been
and
he's
updated
the
numbers,
but
but
he
said,
she's
looked
at
it
and
she's
gonna
take
it
way
to
the
next
level,
and
so
we
we
can
always
modify
it,
leave
it
on
this
date
and
then
modify
it
if
they
need
more
time.
But
I
think
the
point
is
that
we're
gonna
we're
gonna,
discuss
the
issues
that
you
raised
here
all.
J
Right
good,
we
have
a
second
from
councilman
Carlson,
all
in
favor
I,
just
real,
quick
I
just
want
to
say
I
know
our
means
are
going
longer.
Then
you
know
a
couple
months
ago
with
a
different
council,
but
I
feel
really
good
with
this
new
body.
The
other
thing
we're
gonna
get
a
lot
done,
because
you
know
things
have
been
brought
up.
That
needs
to
be
brought
up
so
I'm
excited.
That's.