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A
B
B
If
I
can,
if
staff
could
just
allow
me
to.
B
So
an
example
of
the
first
element
or
the
first
criteria
for
the
hardship
is
when
a
property
owner
builds,
wants
to
build
a
breezeway
to
cover
an
accessory
structure,
the
area
in
front
of
the
accessory
structure
and
say
the
main
house,
and
they
want
to
build
that
breezeway
so
that
the
property
owners
don't
get
exposed
to
some
because
they
have
are
prone
to
getting
skin
cancer.
So
they
come
in
front
of
the
variance
review
board
to
ask
for
a
breezeway
now,
based
on
that
criteria.
C
C
I
think
a
lot
of
times,
though
people
on
this
board
pass
the
president
or
future
like
to
try
and
make
the
stretch
to
practical
difficulty
and
say
that
the
practical
difficulty
of
this
person
not
being
wanting
to
expose
to
sun
is
a
reason
to
allow
this,
because
it's
a
unique
practical
difficulty
to
win.
I
disagree,
but
we
should
discuss
that
right.
B
B
B
Hardship
criteria
number
two:
the
hardship
for
practical
difficulty
does
not
result
from
the
actions
of
the
applicant.
A
self-created,
hardship
or
practical
difficulty
shall
not
justify
a
variant.
Courts
have
found
that
the
cost
of
demolishing
rebuilding
or
modifying
an
unpermitted
built
structure
is
a
self-created
hardship.
Attempting
to
use
land
beyond
its
means
is
a
self-created
hardship.
In
these
instances
a
variance
is
not
warranted
so
say.
For
example,
a
multi-million
dollar
house
gets
you
know
proposed
on
a
project.
B
B
B
D
D
Okay,
and
so
if,
if
someone
in
the
exact
scenario
you're
describing
the
the
subsequent
property
owner
acquires
that,
while
it's
under
construction
under
the
wrong
planes,.
B
B
That's
a
different
scenario,
but
I
understand
what
you're
what
you're
asking?
Yes,
okay,
the
variance.
This
is
the
third
criteria.
I
apologize
for
section
2780
for
a
variance
request,
the
variance
if
granted,
will
not
substantially
interfere
with
or
injure
the
health,
safety
or
welfare
of
others
whose
property
would
be
affected
by
allowance
of
the
variance.
So
when
we
come
to
this,
when
you
come
to
this
question
or
this,
this
third
element,
the
questions
that
you
want
to
ask
yourself
or
ask
the
applicant.
If
it's
not
presented
is,
will
this
change
the
character
of
the
neighborhood?
B
Will
it
was?
It
is
a
possibility
that
it'll
increase
noise.
What
is
the
intent
of
the
code
section
to
be
varied?
Will
the
development
be
compatible
with
the
surrounding
area
after
the
variance?
So
those
are
just
some
things
to
keep
in
mind
the
applicant
or
the
agent
may
certainly
be
familiar
with
the
v
with
your
board
and
be
able
to
answer
those
questions
in
advance
during
the
presentation.
B
The
fourth
criteria
is,
the
variant
is
in
harmony
with
and
serves
the
general
intent
purpose
of
this
chapter
and
the
adopted
tampa
comprehensive
plan.
So
this
one
sometimes
tends
to
be
a
little
difficult
for
applicants
or
asians
to
answer
this
question
so
again,
these
are
questions
that
should
be
asked
is
what
is
the
intent
of
the
code
section
with
the
variance
will
the
project
be
compatible
with
the
surrounding
area
and
has
the
agent
or
applicant
provided
evidence
that
it
meets
the
goals,
objectives
and
policies
of
the
comprehensive
plan?
B
So
you
have
to
strike
that
balance
between
the
individual
person
and
the
interest
of
the
public
or
the
nic
surrounding
neighbors.
The
board
definitely
takes
into
consideration
if
there
is
a
neighbor.
If
there's
opposition,
the
board
definitely
takes
that
into
consideration
on
numerous
applications
when
there
is
that
open
discussion
about
opposition
or
support
for
our
variants,
and
so
I
think
the
board
does
a
great
job
in
analyzing
that
fifth
element.
B
Again,
as
I
just
said,
it's
the
applicant's
burden
is
the
applicant's
burden
to
present
competent
and
substantial
evidence
in
the
record,
at
the
time
of
the
public
hearing
of
an
unnecessary
hardship
for
practical
difficulty.
They
have
to
put
this
information
on
the
record,
because
this
is
the
public
hearing.
B
So,
let's
talk
about
competent
evidence
here
are
examples
of
what
is
competent
evidence,
fact-based
testimony
or
expert-based
testimony
or
opinions.
I
apologize
so
expert-based
opinions,
that's
a
simple,
that's
a
easy
reference
say,
for
example,
an
arborist.
We
have
natural
resources
that
comes
here
for
various
issues,
obviously
trees,
so
that
person
is
trained
and
has
the
skill
set
to
testify
regarding
grain,
treats
just
as
applicants
also
use
an
arborist
to
state
their.
You
know
to
be
able
to
prove
that
the
tree
should
be
removed.
That
is
an
example
of
expert
based
opinion.
B
B
Now
non-competent
evidence
and
again,
the
applicant
must
present
competent
and
substantial
evidence.
Non-Competent
evidence
is
a
layperson's
opinion,
subjective
preferences
assumptions
and
an
attorney's
opinion
that
those
are
examples
of
non-competent
of
evidence.
So,
for
example,
the
layperson
opinion
this
will
lower
my
property
value.
Anyone
can
come
say
this
will
lower
my
property
value
if
the
variance
is
approved
or
not
approved.
But
what
do
you
have
to
support?
What
you're
saying
and
that's
the
key
to
that
example?.
B
B
So
that
is
pretty
specific
about
what
substantial
evidence
is:
okay,
examples
of
practical
difficulties
or
unnecessary
hardships.
These
are
common
examples
of
where
a
variant
should
be
appropriate,
exceptionally
narrow
or
shallow.
Lots
unusually
shaped
lots
like
a
triangle,
shaped
lot:
exceptional
to
topogra,
topographic
conditions,
extraordinary
situations
with
a
structure
or
a
building.
B
B
B
So
that
is
not
a
hardship,
and
that
is
in
that
situation
of
variance
should
not
have
should
not
be
approved.
In
that
same
case,
it
also
talks
about
a
hardship,
cannot
be
self-created
in
this
situation.
The
property
owner
took
it
upon
themselves
to
go
outside
of
the
approved
plans
built
that
pool
enclosure
and
a
variance
again
was
not
warranted
in
the
court
rule
that
it
should
not
have
been
issued.
B
B
B
B
We
should
not
discuss
that,
because
that
is.
That
is
something
that
is
potentially
that
could
come
back
to
the
vr.
B
D
And
they
need
to
put
a
ramp
on
their
front
on
their
front
porch
and
that
ramp
will
then
take
the
property
into
into
the
setback.
Does
that
qualify
as
a
hardship.
E
D
So
it
shouldn't
come
to
us
if
it's,
if
it's
something
that
fits
within
that
category,
so
they
need
to
put
an
elevator
on
the
side
of
their
on
the
side
of
their
property
it
can't
accommodate
on
the
inside.
Then
you
need
to
put
it
up
on
the
outside
needs
to
go
to
set
back.
You
guys
are
dealing
with
that
correct.
D
E
That
would
be
that
should
be
screened
right
before
staff.
Now,
if
the
partner
is
insistent
that
once
it
goes
in,
they
want
to
keep
it
there.
They'd
have
to
come
and
come
in
before
the
board,
but
they're
gonna
have
to
argue
something
besides
eda
compliance
and
accessibility,
they
have
to
argue
the
hardship.
I.
D
B
B
I
think
we
have
a
clear
understanding
about
personal
verses
associated
with
the
the
land
nexus
variances
run,
as
I
just
said,
variances
run
with
the
land,
so
a
variance
if
a
person
or
an
applicant
comes
in
to
say
I
would
be
okay,
with
the
condition
that
the
variance
be
for
a
period
of
ownership.
B
B
So
I
wanted
to
keep
our
presentation
our
works
up
tight
to
a
specific
topic,
so
that
I
mean
I
don't
want
to
overwhelm
the
board
with
a
lot
of
information.
But
just
the
gist
of
this
workshop
is
to
understand
the
difference
between
a
person.
A
variance
request
is
tied
to
a
personal,
a
person
or
a
person.
You
know
for
a
personal
reason
versus
proving
that
there's
something
unique
associated
with
the
land.
B
So
please
keep
that
information.
Keep
that
in
the
back
of
your
mind,
when
you're
doing
your
analysis
for
variance
approval
and
I'm
here
to
answer
any
questions.
C
So
on
the
personal
versus
property,
we
have
to
be
careful
one
to
not
consider
the
personal,
but
also
to
not
put
it
in
our
motions,
like
we've
been
doing,
because
there's
been
several
motions
made
where
one
of
the
conditions
of
approval
is
that
so
and
so
needs
this,
because
they
have
that.
You
know
I.
B
Because
again,
if
it's
tied
to
just
a
person,
then
based
on
court's
ruling,
that
is
not
that
variants
should
not
be
approved.
So.
C
So,
what
about
a
common
one,
elderly
parents?
We
want
to
make
an
addition.
C
C
C
B
So
code,
section
27-80,
does
not
state
that
one
element
or
one
of
the
five
or
two
of
the
five
have
to
be
met.
I
could
look
at
my
exact
wording
of
2780,
but
it
says
all
five
should
be
considered
in
order
to
determine
whether
or
not
a
parent
should
be
considered.
B
C
B
F
The
other
thing
the
adopted,
tampa
comprehensive
plan,
like
you
said,
I
feel
like
a
lot
of.
We
don't
get
a
lot
of
information
about
that.
But
I'll
be
honest,
I
don't
know
it
as
well,
as
I
probably
should.
Is
there
a
way
we
can
get
a
copy
of
that
or
what
the
the
focus
should
be
on
the
tamper,
I
mean
it
sounds
huge
and
vast
and
it
is
on
the
website.
F
E
We
could
look
to
try
to
try
to
pull
out
the
relevant
portions
of
it.
I
mean
it
is
very
difficult
because
the
average
I
mean
the
majority
of
people
that
come
before
this
board
are
homeowners.
They're,
not
the
professionals,
occasionally
you'll
get
the
attorneys
you'll
get
the
consultants
that
will
list
down
on
their
hardship,
different
criteria,
but
the
majority
of
people
are
coming
here.
They
don't,
they
probably
don't
even
know.
We
have
a
background
as
a
plan.
F
D
We
face
is
that
self-professed
very
often
self-professed
experts,
people
who
are
in
the
community,
come
out
and
say
this.
This
variant
should
be
denied
because
it
does
not
it.
It
deviates
from
the
tampa
comprehensive
plan
and
the
problem
with
that
is
that
all
of
the
variances
that
we
approve
deviate
in
some
degree
from
the
tampa
comprehensive
plant.
That's
why
there's
a.
B
F
And
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is
that
I
don't
have
enough
knowledge
to
ask
that
question,
okay
to
the
homeowner
as
efficiently
and
effectively
as
I
would
like.
I
understand
I.
F
C
B
B
We're
going
to
make
this
a
more
often
workshop
and
again,
the
next
workshop,
I'm
hoping
I
could
do
within
the
summer
is
going
to
be
about
trees.
But
I
want
to
schedule
this
more
often.
So
this
is
a
quick
refresher
to
the
board.
I
understand
it
could
be
inconvenienced
to
come
a
little
bit
earlier,
but
I
think
it's
important
for
all
of
us
all
of
the
boards
to
be
on
the
same
page,
about
the
criteria
for
the
variance.
F
It's
it
is
only
like
607.
Is
there
a
way
that
we
could
do
like
a
half
hour.
F
B
C
B
You
know
we
have
a
you
know.
Few
minutes
have
a
mental
break,
but
we
also
want
to
talk
about
the
upcoming
meetings.
A
B
E
Don't
don't
yeah
so,
as
you
know,
a
lot
of
people
have
a
hard
time,
perfecting
notice,
which
has
resulted
in
like
tonight's
agenda.
I
think
start
off
with
like
15
cases
and
we're
down
to
nine.
B
D
E
We
either
have
a
hearing
at
night
and
just
go
to
the
end,
which
could
put
it
to
midnight
one
o'clock
or
we
can
have
a
second
hearing
the
month
of
april,
which
would
be
the
week
after
the
third
tuesday
of
the
month.
Everybody.
E
Under
the
assumption
that
somebody
will
drop
off
in
case,
we
end
up
with
less
cases,
but
that
secondary
would
be
there
and
the
night
of
staff
wise.
We
would
we
would
let
people
know
which
cases
are
being
moved
to
that.
Second,
the
third
tuesday
of
the
month
pleasure
the
board
how
you
want
to
handle
it
joel,
and
I
calculated
that
the
other
day,
if
you
don't,
if
everybody
does
not
notice,
when
we
keep
continuing
our
cases,
people
who
are
submitting
in
april
for
the
june
hearing
will
not
be
heard
until
either
august
or
september.
C
E
B
E
Out
so
they
can
end
up
two
or
three
months
out,
if
that's
the
pleasure
of
the
board
and
how
we
want
to
schedule
the
meetings
out.
So
I
know
we've
spoken
with
dustin
a
little
bit
of
that.
I
know
we
sent
an
email
out
to
the
whole
board
about
that
issue.
I
guess
we're
just
asking
for
direction
how
the
board
would
like
to
approach
it.
F
B
So-
and
I
I
appreciate
eric
being
here
to
be
able
to
discuss
this,
but
some
things
to
keep
in
mind
is,
if
you
decide
to
keep
things
for
one
night
you
have
to
be.
I
just
just
thoughts
to
consider
is:
are
you
going
to
be
prepared
to
give
each
case
the
due
process
that
the
applicant
deserves.
D
D
I
would
I
would
be
okay,
and
this
is
what
we've
talked
about.
I
would
be
okay
with
having
more
cases
notice
for
a
specific
night,
so
long
as
we
can
identify
if
some
of
those
are
going
to
drop
off
right,
I
mean
there
is
the
chance
that
we
could
end
up
with
16
and
we're
not
going
to
hear
16.,
and
that's
that's
why
you
need
your
back
update?
D
E
E
F
I
feel
like
that's
an
extra
hurdle.
That's
not!
Okay
for
the
public.
I
feel,
like
that's
an
extra
hurdle,
that
if
I
was
just
a
neighbor
I
wouldn't
contact.
I
would
I
see
the
notices
all
the
time,
but-
and
so
I
know
I
see
the
date,
but
if
I
had
to
contact
somebody,
that's
just
an
extra
step
that
I
probably
wouldn't
do.
D
D
Because
I
agree
part
of
the
issue,
is
you
gotta
notify
the
public
when
you
send
out
these
good
neighbor
notices,
they're
getting
it
and
it's
telling
them
a
date
is
going
to
be
hurt.
Now
it's
also
not
fair.
Sometimes
it
happens,
but
this
is
what
they
deal
with.
Sometimes
it
happens
where
the
where
that
person
screwed
it
up
and
they
gotta
re-notice
people
and
send
it
out
again,
and
we
get
occasionally
people
showing
up
saying
I'm
here
for
this.
B
A
D
A
We
don't
guarantee
it,
they
have
to
go
through
the
process,
there's
a
discovery
phase
in
the
review
phase
and
the
public
space.
So
is
there
a
way
that
we
can
prevent
this
from
happening
in
the
future
like
if
you
get
like
30
applicants,
and
can
you
say
all
right,
15
of
them
we're
not
going
to
even
schedule
you
until
may
I
mean
I
realized
that
that
could.
A
D
Every
time
we
come
here
and
hear
all
ten
cases
that
have
sometimes
we've
had
three
yeah
and
that's
and
that's
that's
the
other
side
of
this
point
right.
If
people
are
they're
missing,
they're,
missing
notice,
they're,
missing
issues
like
that
and
we're
ending
up
with
less
than
the
optimal
amount
of
cases
and
they're
getting
pushed
backwards
back
and
then
we're
going
to
have
as
you're
saying
a
bottleneck
where
we
get
20
21.,
I
mean
just
like
tonight.
We
only
have
seven
right
and-
and
we
have
15
yeah,
seven.
C
D
C
A
F
I
the
other,
the
other.
I
I
have
a
standing
meeting,
the
third
tuesday
of
every
month,
so
I
I
would
not
be
able
to
attend
okay.
So
just
if
I.
B
B
So
I
I
just
want
to
explain
to
commissioner
to
mr
farrell.
So
next
month
we
have
21
cases
for
april.
Now,
according
to
your
rules,
you
go
here.
Your
maximum
number
is
13.,
so
your
if
all
22
provided
notice,
that's
going
to
be
a
long
night
right.
We
want
to
deal
with
the
scenario
right
now
in
order
to
for
staff
to
give
instructions
on
notice,
so
the
request
is:
does
the
board
want
to
meet
one
night
until
one
two
o'clock
in
the
morning?
A
A
We
were
usually
out
here
between
10
and
11,
which
is
what
we
do
already,
but
we
now
are
shoving
cases
in
front
of
us,
and
you
know
if
I
were
applying
for
a
bearings-
and
you
told
me
it
was
going
to
be
six
to
eight
months
before
my
thing
was
really
going
to
be
heard.
I'd
be
living
and
I
can't
believe
the
homeowners
aren't.
B
The
concern
is
that
staff
is
receiving
more
applications
for
a
variance
request,
so
right
so
more
more
property
owners
are
asking
for
variances.
I
don't.
I
can't
speak
to
what
happened
when
you
first
started
on
the
board,
so
I
apologize.
But
again,
this
is
just.
We
know
mr
farrell's
commissioner
farrell's
position,
because
I
just
want
to
be
able
to
get
us
prepared
in
five
minutes
for
the
the
hearing.
So
we
know
commissioner
affairs,
a
pitch
opinion.
Miss
walker.
A
I
don't
really
have
an
opinion.
I
am
fine
with
either
one.
So
I
guess,
if
I
have
to
vote,
I
would
vote
to
hear
them
all
in
one
night.
B
D
Yeah,
I
would
say
we
can
notice
for
a
larger
amount
and
if
we
somehow
get
in
excess
of
our
board
mandated
cap,
that
we
would
vote
to
move
them
to
a
different
hearing
date.
And
I
would
attend
a
second
hearing
day
that
we
are
all
available
to
attend.
But
I
would
not
want
to
go
until
the
nether
of
the
night.
C
I'd
vote
to
split
it
as
well,
but
I
think
way
more
important
is
how
we
handle
the
months
moving
forward.
I
was
telling
joel
when
you
were
out
eric
that
we
have
record
numbers
of
miss
notice
like
unbelievable,
and
it's
been
getting
worse
and
worse.
Every
month
used
to
be
you'd
only
have
one
or
two,
so
something's
happened
in
the
miss
notice
education
process.
C
C
F
C
F
A
E
A
E
Hand
so
you
know
we
did
type
of
new
instructions
which
I
sent
to
some
of
the
staff
in
the
review
which
we're
going
to
post
to
our
web
page
and
we'll
send
out
with
we're
trying
to
change
the
business
process.
A
lot
of
people
do
notice
before
the
application
has
already
been
accepted
by
us,
they're,
okay,
we're
hitting
the
deadline.
Do
we
send
the
result
and
they'll
say
notice,
and
they
won't
post
a
sign
or.
A
E
A
E
A
C
Okay,
so
it
looks
like
we
voted
to
split
four
to
two.
Thank
you
to
kamaria
for
doing
the
workshop.
F
F
I
have
a
question
that
is
just
kind
of
general.
Since
I've
been
on
the
board,
we
have
never
had
seven
people.
Is
there
anything?
What
can
we
do?
Well.
E
F
Is
there
a
way,
then
that
we
could
possibly
change?
I
mean,
I
know
that
would
probably
change
bylaws
or
something
like
that,
but
it
it
seems
that
it's
doing
a
disservice,
because
we
are
now
at
a
point
where
we're
getting
at
six
we're
getting
even
numbered,
which
is
which
is
hurt,
which
is
also
a
problem,
because
then
that
has
to
go
forward.
So
it
would
be
great.