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A
A
D
B
B
That's
quite
an
accomplishment,
but
as
I
understand
it,
you
use
his
birthday,
which
is
march
2nd
to
designate
that
day
as
read
across
america
day,
which
I
think
is
great
and
the
canelo
valley,
unified
school
district
and
the
united
association
of
canelo
teachers,
co-sponsors,
the
event
and
it
promotes.
Reading
and
literacy
amongst
your
students.
So
tell
us
a
little
bit
more
about
the
programs
that
you
have
planned.
F
Good
evening,
I'm
colleen
breiner
schmidt,
a
transitional
kindergarten
teacher,
and
I
am
president
of
the
unified
association
of
cano
teachers.
I
want
to
thank
you
at
the
city
for
all
that
you
do,
for
the
children
of
the
canelo
valley
unified
school
district.
I
personally
am
especially
grateful
for
the
spectacular
libraries
that
you
have
provided
for
our
community
and
tonight
I'd
like
each
one
of
you
to
do
something
personal
I'd
like
you
to
do
it
with
me.
F
I
would
like
you
to
commit
to
take
a
half
hour
on
march,
2nd
or
actually
anytime,
that
week
to
read
with
the
child
on
march
2nd
for
men
and
for
many
of
our
schools.
They
are
actually
celebrating
the
entire
week.
The
national
education
association,
the
california
teachers
association
and
u
act
are
sponsoring
a
celebration
of
reading
that
we
call
nea's
read
across
america.
F
F
Reading
with
your
child
helps
increase
their
vocabulary
and
improves
their
fluency
and
comprehension.
Excuse
me,
part
of
developing
a
lifelong
love
of
reading
is
also
giving
children
books
with
characters
who
represent
them
and
have
different
experiences
from
them.
In
our
diverse
and
complex
society,
students
need
books
that
provide
both
windows
and
mirrors.
If
we're
going
to
create
more
readers,
more
writers
and
people
who
feel
included
and
recognized
and
who
understand
that
the
world
is
far
richer
than
just
their
experiences
alone.
F
What
is
better
than
to
snuggle
in
a
lap
and
explore
a
book
together,
we
have
some
no
noble
company
in
this
effort.
Our
partners
nationally
are
the
international
reading
association,
the
national
pta
first
book
pbs
and
we
need
need
diverse
books,
among
others,
all
have
recognized
the
benefit
of
giving
all
children
access
to
diverse
books
and
we'd
like
to
like
you
to
join
us
in
endorsing
the
read
across
america
program
and
to
personally
commit
to
reading
on
march
2nd
at
a
school
near
you
or
to
a
special
child
in
your
life.
F
Mr
mayor,
I
ask
that
you
and
the
other
city
council
members
explore
the
possibility
of
joining
our
goal
of
having
every
child
in
every
school
in
our
community
reading
with
a
caring
adult
and
to
celebrate
the
joy
of
reading,
whether
it's
a
beloved
classic
or
something
new
and
exciting.
I
personally
am
a
pete,
the
cat
fan.
F
We
encourage
you
to
spread
the
joy
of
reading.
As
a
teacher,
I
ask
everyone
to
participate
in
this
worthwhile
clause,
whether
it's
donating
books
to
the
local
library
or
one
of
the
many
libraries
that
you
see
sprouting
up
around
town
or
encouraging
your
own
children
to
pick
up
a
book
and
read,
everyone
can
do
something
on
march,
2nd
so
help
us
celebrate
a
nation
of
diverse
readers
and
commit
to
engage
in
programs
and
activities
that
make
america's
children
the
best
readers
in
the
world
and
again,
thank
you
for
our
libraries.
B
Thank
you
very
much.
Colleen
reading
is
absolutely
essential
to
success
in
life
and
it
opened
up
great
gateways
to
the
world.
I'm
so
happy
that
you're
doing
this
I'd
like
to
present
this
proclamation
to
you
in
honor
of
the
read
across
america
day
and
again,
I
thank
you
so
much
for
helping
our
kids,
like
you
said,
become
the
best
readers
in
america.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
C
This
is
the
time
and
place
for
public
comments.
A
speaker
card
is
available
for
those
wishing
to
address
the
city
council
regarding
items
on
the
agenda
or
on
a
subject
within
the
city's
jurisdiction.
Speakers
for
public
hearing
items
shall
be
called
and
heard
during
the
public
hearing.
All
remarks
should
be
addressed
to
the
council
as
a
whole
and
all
documents
for
city
council
and
the
official
record
should
be
presented
to
the
city
clerk
prior
to
speaking.
Speakers
are
requested
to
state
their
name
and
community
of
residents
for
the
record
under
state
law.
C
Public
comment
matters
may
not
be
considered
by
the
council
unless
listed
on
the
agenda,
but
may
be
referred
to
the
city
manager
for
administrative
follow-up.
Three
individuals
have
presented
cards
and
pursuant
to
city
council
standards,
speakers
are
allowed
three
minutes.
The
yellow
light
displays
when
you
have
one
minute
remaining.
B
G
Hello,
mister
good
evening,
mr
mayor
and
councillor
chase
rashid
city
of
thousand
oaks.
I'm
actually
here
tonight
to
talking
about
talk
about
an
event
I
am
hosting
it's
gonna
be
february
23rd
at
the
global
center.
It's
martin
luther
king.
I
have
a
dream
day.
E
G
Okay,
yeah
t-o-t-v.
I
have
a
yes,
so
that's
the
event.
It's
free
entry
open
to
everybody.
I
encourage
staff
and
residents
to
attend
we're
going
to
have
a
guest
speaker
he's
a
veteran
he's.
A
comedian.
Now
we're
gonna
have
entertainment
people
from
here
in
the
county.
My
mom's
gonna
tell
the
story
of
a
fallen
civil
rights
activist
and
it's
gonna
be
a
really
good
event
and
I
encourage
everybody
to
come.
Oh
and
we're
also
having
an
essay
contest
for
high
school
students,
so
we'll
be
doing
that.
G
H
One
of
the
committees
that
I
lead
is
our
legislative
roundtable,
which
is
a
committee
dedicated
to
public
policy
and
more
information
on
that.
We
will
be
featuring
a
representative
from
the
u.s
commerce
department
that
will
be
talking
about
the
2020
census
and
how
our
community
can
get
more
involved,
and
we
will
also
be
having
our
2020
blue
diamond
recognition
gala
at
the
hyatt
regency
westlake
on
friday
march
26th
beginning
at
6
30
pm.
H
People
who
are
honored
at
this
event
are
nominated
by
their
peers
and
just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
all
the
honorees
that
are
here.
Man
of
the
year
will
be
scott
harris,
ceo
of
mustang
marketing,
woman
of
the
year
leanne
nielsen
provost
and
vp
of
clu
nonprofit
of
the
year
conejo
free
clinic
volunteer
of
the
year
bob
bland
corporate
sponsor
of
the
year
tech
ahead,
ambassador
of
the
year
debbie,
soden
and
finally,
business
of
the
year
atara
biotherapeutics.
H
Finally,
for
my
last
announcement,
we
will
be
doing
principal
for
a
half
day
as
we
do
yearly
on
tuesday
march
24th,
beginning
at
9.
00
am
to
1
pm.
For
those
who
don't
know
principle
for
a
half
day
is
an
opportunity
for
community
members
to
it's
pretty
self-explanatory,
where
they
get
to
be
a
principal
for
a
half
day.
H
People
who
sign
up
get
to
go
to
a
school
of
their
preference
and,
at
the
end
of
this
event
it
concludes
with
a
luncheon
and
an
update
from
the
district
superintendent
mark
mclaughlin,
and
this
luncheon
will
be
hosted
at
the
palm
garden
hotel
this
year
and
you
can
sign
up
and
learn
more
about
this
event
at
conejochamber.org.
I
I
I
The
dates
of
the
program
are
march
12th
to
the
15th
on
thursday
evening
march,
12th
we're
hosting
an
interfaith
event.
At
the
samuelson
chapel
at
california,
lutheran
university
at
7
p.m,
entitled
courage
for
the
common
good
on
saturday
march,
14th
there'll
be
an
interfaith
unity,
walk
with
music
service
projects
and
family
activities
at
rancho,
toppo
community
park
in
simi
valley,
starting
at
10
a.m,
and
over
that
weekend
of
march
13th
through
the
15th
we're
inviting
faith
communities
to
focus
the
theme
of
love,
your
neighbor
in
their
worship
and
religious
education
for
children.
I
We've
been
getting
great
enthusiasm
from
this
campaign
from
a
diverse
cross-section
of
faith
communities
who
share
the
conviction
that
reaffirming
this
value
of
loving
our
neighbor
is
timely.
In
today's
social
climate,
we
hope
you
will
consider
participating
by
attending
the
interfaith
event
at
clu
and
participating
in
your
own
faith
communities.
We're
also
requesting
your
consideration
of
a
proclamation
from
the
city,
recognizing
the
kaneohe
valley,
interfaith
association
and
love
your
neighbor
weekend.
I
B
B
B
C
Yes,
hearing
advertised,
as
required
by
law,
is
open
to
consider
agenda
item
8a
regarding
the
us
department
of
housing
and
urban
development
draft
2020
through
2024
regional,
consolidated
plan
and
analysis
of
impediments
to
fair
housing
choice.
A
speaker
card
is
available
for
those
wishing
to
address
the
city
council
regarding
the
public
hearing
at
this
time.
There
are
no
speakers.
B
K
The
con
plan
describes
resources
and
unmet
low-income
resident
needs,
and
the
ai
describes
the
region's
progress
in
ensuring
that
all
residents
are
provided
with
equal
access
to
housing
opportunities,
county
of
ventura
selected,
the
cloudburst
group
to
assist
in
preparing
these
documents,
susan
walsh,
from
cloudburst
to
my
left
and
community
development.
Analyst
lynn,
ishida,
also
to
my
left,
are
here
tonight
to
answer
any
questions.
K
K
The
draft
con
plan
and
ai
are
a
product
of
cloud
burst,
collecting
and
analyzing
data
and
community
needs
and
marking
market
housing
conditions
throughout
the
county.
Community
participation
was
a
key
component
in
developing
these
documents.
Cloudburst
conducted
six
regional
community
workshops
and
six
stakeholder
meetings.
K
So
the
first
document,
which
is
the
con
plan,
is
a
five-year
framework
developed
to
identify
local
needs
for
federal
funds.
It
creates
accountability
for
hud
expenditures
and
fosters
consistency
among
grantees,
so
the
collaboration
produced
an
overview
of
the
regional
housing
needs
and
service
related
resources.
K
K
In
the
first
and
second
parts,
which
are
the
needs,
assessment
and
market
analysis
report,
the
con
plan
talks
about
15
priorities
across
the
county
priority
needs.
Rather,
it
should
be
noted
that
the
collaboration
with
other
local
governments
will
not
constrain
each
grantee's
ability
to
independently
decide
how
future
cdbg
funds
will
be
used
for
a
thousand
oaks.
Seven
priorities
are
considered
high
and
eight
considered
low
priority.
K
K
K
K
Staff
has
broken
down
the
cdbg
funds
to
be
allocated
on
these
four
goals,
which
are
discussed
in
the
strategic
plan
goal
number
one
is
creating
and
preserving
200
multi-family
and
50
single-family,
affordable
housing
units
goal.
Three
is
increasing
access
to
health,
wellness
and
other
public
services
to
six
thousand
city
residents
goal
four:
is
homeless
prevention,
services
to
thirty
thousand
oaks
residents
and
finally
goal
six
is
covering
the
city's
administrative
costs
to
run
a
cdbg
program
which
includes
making
sure
the
city
complies
with
the
numerous
federal
hud
regulations
and
fair
housing.
K
K
The
second
document,
the
analysis
of
impediment
to
fair
housing,
choice
or
ai,
is
another
hr
is
another
hud
required
report
that
is
conducted
every
five
years.
The
intent
of
this
report
is
to
help
hud
grantees
foster
an
environment
where
equal
access
to
housing
opportunities
is
treated
as
a
fundamental
right.
The
ai
report,
analyzes
conditions
in
the
private
market
and
the
public
sector
that
may
limit
the
range
of
housing
choices
or
hinder
a
person's
access
to
housing.
K
K
From
now
until
april
24th,
the
draft
documents
will
be
available
for
public
review
at
the
county
of
ventura
and
at
all
ten
city
halls
at
the
county
in
the
county
in
thousand
oaks.
The
public
can
review
paper
copies
in
the
community
development
department
at
the
counter
and
at
both
the
main
and
the
newbury
park
branch
libraries
also,
the
city
website,
has
a
link
to
the
county
web
page
to
view
both
documents.
K
D
Mayor,
yes,
the
on
our
on
our
allocation
of
funding.
We
have
roughly
three
million
dollars
of
allocation
coming.
I
agree
100
with
allocating
the
probably
two-thirds
of
that
to
keeping
people
in
their
existing
homes
doing
rehab
it's
much
cheaper,
much
more
cost
effective.
I
think
to
do
that.
I
just
wanted
to
get
your
input
on
that.
Is
there
a
better
way
to
use
those
funds
for
keeping
people
from
homelessness,
or
is
there
any
other
way
to
go
about
it?.
E
So
we
are
focusing
for
the
next
five
years
on
housing,
rehabilitation
with
cgpg
funds.
Cgbe
funds
can
be
kind
of
complicated
in
all
the
federal
regulations
and
the
federal
funds
used
for
the
multi-family
units
gets
us
a
law
units
for
the
dollars
that
are
spent
specifically
at
the
site,
and
so
we're
focusing
on
single
family
and
multi-family
and-
and
these
are
all
to
low-income
thousand
oaks
tenants.
D
B
E
D
And
just
an
aside,
I
noticed,
as
I
was
reading
through
the
document
in
the
the
problem
areas.
I
noticed
that
thousand
oaks
we
had
hud
come
in
and
do
some
spot
checks
on
housing
and,
unlike
one
of
our
our
neighboring
county
cities,
thousand
oaks
was
100
compliant,
which
is
very
good.
I'm
happy
to
announce
that
to
everybody
that
our
our
renters,
our
our
people,
who
are
renting
to
our
citizens,
are
following
the
law,
which
is
great.
B
All
right,
thank
you.
Councilmember
angler
any
other
comments.
I
did
read
through
this
rather
voluminous
report.
Thank
you,
ms
bijan,
by
the
way,
good
report
and,
of
course,
as
you
say,
it
will
come
back
to
us
in
may.
This
is
just
a
draft,
so
there's
really
no
action
necessary
tonight,
but
there
is
three
million
dollars
at
stake
over
the
next
five
years,
so
we
certainly
want
to
be
a
participant
in
this.
B
It
did
have
some
interesting
points
that
I'd
I'd
like
to
reiterate
some
of
the
things
that
the
council
has
been
grappling
with
over
the
last
couple
of
years.
B
B
And
if
you
look
at
some
of
the
statistics,
we
have
the
highest
average
rent
of
any
city
in
the
county,
two
thousand
eight
hundred
and
ninety
three
dollars
a
month
which
needs
a
ninety
eight
thousand
dollar
income
to
support
that
kind
of
rent.
We
also
have
the
highest
cost
for
home
ownership.
Our
median
price
of
a
house
is
731
thousand
dollar
dollars,
so
you
can
see
where
housing
is
definitely
an
issue
here
in
the
city
of
thousand
oaks.
B
It
also
goes
on
to
make
the
point
that
about
our
population,
our
aging
population,
the
median
age
in
ventura
counties,
37,
the
median
age
in
thousand
oaks
is
43..
We
have
the
oldest
median
age
of
any
city
in
the
county,
and
20
percent
of
our
population
are
over
65.
B
so,
and
the
report
does
go
on
to
say,
thousand
oaks
needs
to
explore
strategies
and
approaches
to
attract
younger
residents,
which
I
think
we've
all
been
talking
about
now
for
quite
some
time.
But
it's
interesting
to
see
this
in
a
hud
report
in
black
and
white,
and
I
I
definitely
have
to
agree
with
that.
B
Low-Paying
jobs
are
increasing,
high-paying
jobs
are
decreasing,
and
the
reason
for
that
is,
at
least
according
to
the
report
is
housing,
because
employers
can
and
not
recruit
and
retain
people
here
in
ventura
county
and
in
thousand
dollars
because
of
the
high
cost
of
housing.
So
again
it
it.
This
all
fits
together,
and
it
all
makes
the
case
that,
where
we
have
to
explore
some
housing
opportunities
and
in
doing
so
entry-level
housing,
it
reduced
the
cost
of
housing.
If
we
have
a
little
bit
more,
the
supply
goes
up.
B
The
demand
hopefully
goes
down
and
it's
a
lot
a
lot
cheaper
to
work
infrastructure
wise
with
entry-level
housing.
So
I
guess
what
I'm
getting
at
and
I'm
not
trying
to
be
too
long-winded
here.
But
what
this
council
is
trying
to
do
is
create
a
path
to
prosperity
for
its
residents,
because,
as
I've
stated
before,
there's
kind
of
an
economic
wall
built
around
the
city
because
of
these
high
housing
costs.
So
how
do
we
get
a
young
person
started
in
the
city?
B
How
does
someone
like
myself
start
out
in
an
apartment
and
then
move
up
to
a
smaller
house
and
move
up
to
a
larger
house?
We
have
to
create
that
path
to
prosperity,
because
all
these
baby
boomers,
all
these
expensive
homes
have
to
have
somebody
to
sell
them
to
and
they're
not
going
to
sell
them
to
another
baby
boomer.
So
we
have
got
to
be
able
to
create
this
path,
and
that
means
bringing
in
young
people
and
creating
housing
opportunities
and
creating
jobs
like
we're
trying
to
do
with
our
biotech
hub.
B
That's
another
key
to
this
whole
thing,
so
anyway,
interesting
report,
and
I
think
it
highlighted
some
of
the
issues.
As
I
mentioned,
that
we're
grappling
with
with
the
city
and
I
enjoyed
reading
it.
Sort
of
it
was
a
little
long,
but
it
was
good.
So,
thank
you
for
that
and
there's
no
need
to
vote
actually
because
we're
gonna,
it's
gonna,
be
come
back
to
us
in
may.
So.
J
I
appreciate
your
remarks
and
I
just
wonder:
does
the
hud
contemplate
of
optimum
population
for
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
that
is
in
creating
the
affordable
housing?
If
we're
able
to
do
that?
Does
it
anticipate
that,
if
necessary,
older
housing
would
have
to
be
eliminated
and
new
apartments
put
in
their
place?
My
my
what
I'm
getting
at
is:
do
they
foresee
that
we
should
have
a
higher
population,
or
does
this
have
any
implication
for
the
total
population
of
thousand
oaks.
G
Yes,
I
don't
think
this
has
any
implication
on
that:
hud
leaves
that
those
decisions
to
the
local
jurisdiction
as
long
as
they're
complying
by
federal
law.
You
know
fair
housing
laws
and
things
like
that.
So
this
this
document
doesn't
dictate
any
kind
of
population
or
housing
structure.
C
J
You
know
giving
that
we
all
know
that
the
price
of
housing
depends
on
the
law
of
supply
and
demand,
and-
and
so
we're
really,
I
think,
in
a
difficult
place,
because
this
has
become
a
desirable
place
to
live,
and
I
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
we're
going
to
have
the
ability
to
to
do
that,
to
to
provide
affordable
housing.
L
It
recognizes
that
that,
in
our
case,
thousands
has
high
housing
prices
and
additional
supplies
is
appropriate
where
we
get
into
the
specific
numbers
that
that
you're,
referencing
council
member
is
actually
going
to
be
next
on
our
agenda,
where
we
talk
about
state
requirements
for
housing
as
part
of
our
our
housing
study
session
and
there,
the
state
does
break
down
targets
by
income
categories,
and
then
we
have
specific
goals,
and
I
I
won't
go
too
far
down
this
this
track,
but
how
we
provide
those
units
in
a
broad
sense
is,
is
really
up
to
the
jurisdiction,
whether
it's
greenfield
development
or
it's
redevelopment
of
existing
sites
at
a
higher
density.
J
Yeah,
well,
I
just
would
wind
up
by
saying
I
appreciate
hud's
goals
here
and
I
think
a
lot
of
us
share
those
goals
of
trying
to
get
new
young
people
that
can
afford
to
live
here.
I
I
I
do
think
our
ability
is
limited
in
doing
that,
but
I
I
think
it's
a
noble
endeavor.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
mr
jones
yeah.
I
I,
as
staff
said,
I
think
this
report
simply
lays
out
the
situation
as
it
is.
It's
it's
up
to
us
as
council
members
to
look
at
what
those
implications
might
be
and
set
policy
accordingly,
but
I
don't
think
this
document
dictates
in
any
way.
B
You
know
how
we're
supposed
to
handle
the
housing
situation
or
not
for
that
matter.
It
just
lays
out
the
situation
as
it
is
now
all
right.
Well
with
that,
I
think
we
can
move
on
to
our
next
agenda
item
and
thank
you
for
that
report,
and
this
is
going
to
be
a
department
report
and
we're
going
to
talk
about
housing.
B
H
H
So
we're
hoping
that
tonight's
presentation
and
conversation
can
serve
as
the
foundation
for
the
city
council
as
we
consider
housing
issues
going
forward
tonight.
We
have
with
us
our
consultant
who
will
be
preparing
our
housing
element
portion
of
the
general
plan,
update
veronica
tam
she's,
a
recognized
expert
throughout
the
state
in
housing
issues,
and
we're
very
fortunate
to
have
her
with
us
and
to
have
her
on
our
general
plan
team.
So
with
that,
I
will
hand
it
over
to
ms
jam.
M
Great,
thank
you.
A
lot
of
the
statistics.
The
mayor
just
cited
earlier,
actually
are
very
relevant
to
the
presentation
tonight.
What
I'd
like
to
do
tonight
is
to
give
you
an
overview
of
the
state
of
housing
in
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
and
also
how
it
relates
to
the
housing
element,
update
and
also
some
of
the
policy
directions
from
the
state
regarding.
M
G
M
A
lot
of
statistics,
you're,
probably
familiar
with
the
city's
housing
stock,
is
heavily
leaned
towards
the
single-family
neighborhood
single-family
use
about
78
79
of
your
housing
units.
Currently
in
your
housing
stock
are
single-family
attached
or
detached
units.
The
rest
of
them
are
multi-family
units
in
terms
of
housing
growth.
In
the
you
know,
the
between
2000
and
2010.
M
The
city
is
probably
amount
like
a
moderate
growth
amount,
some
of
your
communities
in
ventura
county,
but
in
the
last
10
years
or
eight,
and
so
the
city
has
become
a
relatively
small,
has
seen
relatively
limited
growth
only
1.2
percent
between
2010
to
2019..
M
When
we
look
at
housing
from
the
perspective
of
housing,
policy
planning
and
programs,
we
the
state,
actually
establishes
five
income
groups,
extremely
low
income,
people
make
between
zero
to
30
percent
of
the
area,
median
income
very
low
income.
People
make
no
more
than
fifty
percent
of
the
area.
Median
income,
low
income
up
to
eighty
percent,
moderate
income
up
to
up
to
a
hundred
and
twenty
percent
and
above
modern
income.
It's
anybody-
who's
above
120
percent.
M
Just
note
that
the
document
that
you
saw
you
read
you
were
that
was
presented
to
you
before
is
from
hud.
It
covers
only
primarily
people
up
to
eighty
percent
of
the
median
income.
It
doesn't
cover
people
who
are
up
who
has
higher
income
than
than
that.
That's
because
the
federal
regulations,
another
income
group
that
we
usually
like
to
look
at
is
the
missing
middle.
The
workforce,
housing
people
who
are
have
good
jobs,
but
still
have
issues
finding
housing.
Those
are
typically
people.
M
M
Translating
that
income
category
to
to
dollar,
sign,
hud
and
the
state
does
income
surveys
annually
and,
and
they
establish
some
kind
of
link
in
commitments
on
an
accounting
level
and
the
income
limits
is
adjusted
on
household
size
by
household
size
for
ventura
county
you're,
a
higher
income
county.
So
when
you
look
at
your
median
income,
they
basically
looked
at
it
for
from
a
household
of
four
persons.
Is
that
ninety
seven
thousand
eight
hundred
ninety
seven
thousand
eight
hundred
is
still
considered
just
a
median
income
household
in
ventura
county?
M
The
majority
of
your
your
households
are
people
who
make
moderate
and
above
and
moderate,
of
above
income
about
70
of
your
population
makes
they
are
not
considered
lower
a
lower
income
that
is
again
a
higher
percentage
than
ventura
county
as
a
whole,
because
you
are
a
higher
income
community
as
a
whole
compared
to
the
rest
of
ventura
county
a
lot
of
times
when
you
look
at
household
income
and
and
their
housing
choices,
they're
limited,
particularly
for
very
low
low
and
extremely
low
income,
households,
then
primarily
limited
to
rental
housing.
M
If
you
look
at
the
the
income
distribution
by
tenure,
extremely
low
income,
the
majority
of
them
are
renters,
so
the
percentage
of
home
ownership
increases
as
the
income
increases
a
lot
of
the
people
who
are
owners
at
the
extremely
low
and
low
income.
Households
are
actually
those
who
are
seniors.
Who've
lived
in
this
community
for
a
long
time.
M
When
we
look
at
the
medium
home
price
in
in
the
city
of
thousand
oaks,
your
home
prices
have
somehow
gone
down
a
little
bit
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
but
it's
still
among
the
highest
in
ventura
county,
currently
november
19,
the
median
home
price
was
719
000.
M
Now,
looking
at
your
rent,
it
is
high
just
about
for
a
two
bedroom
apartment,
you're,
looking
at
an
average
range
of
about
twenty
three
hundred
units,
and
there
are
not
a
whole
lot
of
single
family
homes
as
small
that
are
available
for
rent
a
lot
of
the
larger
single-family
homes
are
primarily
three
and
four
bedrooms,
and
they
are
at
least
3
200
units
dollars
a
month
in
rent
when
you
compare
the
housing
cost
with
how
much
people
make
this
chart
shows
you
that,
in
order
to
afford
a
2200,
that's
like
a
two
bedroom
apartment
in
thousand
oaks.
M
You
have
to
make
a
hundred
and
six
thousand
dollars
that
is
higher
than
the
median
household
income
in
thousand
oaks.
So
so
you
can
be
making
the
median
income
in
thousand
oak
but
cannot
afford
a
two
bedroom
apartment
in
thousand
oaks.
Now,
if
you
want
to
buy
a
home
that
is
seven
hundred
and
thirty
thousand
dollars,
that's
the
actually
the
current
price
of
the
home.
M
You
have
to
make
a
hundred
and
forty
four
thousand
000
majority
of
the
people
who
are
teachers,
firefighters
and
even
civil
engineers,
they're,
not
making
that
type
of
income,
and
when
you
look
at
people
who
are
low
income,
who
are
like
licensed
nurses
and
we're
not
talking
about
registered
nurses,
but
like
my
health
care
technicians,
they're,
not
making
anywhere
near
144
000
a
year
in
order
to
afford
homeownership
in
the
city
of
thousand
oaks.
M
Just
out
of
curiosity,
I
looked
at
some
of
the
new
construction
homes
that
are
available
for
sale,
the
majority
of
them
average
about
1.5
to
1.6
million
dollars,
and
in
order
to
afford
that
you
would
need
315
000
of
inc
of
income
annually
and
pretty
much.
You
will
need
to
have
an
attorney
and
a
physician
in
that
kind
of
household.
In
order
to
be
able
to
afford
a
brand
new
home.
That's
been
built
and
offered
in
thousand
oaks.
Today,.
M
And,
and,
and
just
also
to
to
make
a
comparison,
a
lot
of
the
college
grads
if
they
just
have
a
college
degree
they're,
probably
making
an
average
about
forty
thousand
dollars
nowhere
near
what
they
would
need
to
be
able
to
live,
amount,
families
or
near
the
parents.
If
they
want
to
stay
in
in
thousand
oaks,
they
would
not
be
able
to
afford
to
rent
in
in
thousand
oaks.
M
Having
said
that,
we
also
want
to
look
at
something
called
cost
burden.
How
for
how
high
the
cost
of
housing
is,
is
relative
to
income,
how
much
people
can
afford
to
spend
on
housing?
Typically,
we
we
look
at
from
from
a
housing
policy
planning
standpoint
we're
looking
at
30
to
35
percent
of
your
household
income
to
spend
on
housing.
If
you
spend
within
that
you're
spending
an
affordable
housing
cost,
but
if
you're
spending
more
than
that,
your
your
housing
cost
is
considered
burdening
a
lot
of
times.
M
When
we
go
to
a
mortgage
lender,
they
would
use
38
to
40
percent.
That
is
really
even
above
what
is
considered
affordable,
housing,
but
typically
that's
what
a
lender
would
use.
40
of
your
of
your
income,
if
you
look
at
you
know,
based
on
the
extremely
low
income
very
low
low
and
moderate
income,
households
in
your
community
particularly
vulnerable,
are
the
extremely
low
and
very
low
income
households.
M
The
city
of
thousand
oaks
does
try
to
pursue
affordable
housing
efforts,
as
we
also
heard
earlier,
is
very
expensive
to
create
affordable
housing
at
the
market
rate,
and
so
the
city
does
have
a
little
some
programs
and
you
have
the
inclusionary
ordinance,
but
your
new
fee
and
linkage
fee
are
currently
set
at
zero,
so
you're
not
collecting
money
at
this
point
to
to
help
finance,
affordable
housing.
You
do
create
affordable
housing
projects
that
have
measure
allocations.
M
The
city
also
are
very
big
in
in
preserving
and
what
you
currently
have,
precisely
because
it's
so
expensive
to
create
new,
affordable
housing
is
even
more
important
that
you
preserve
and
and
improve
what
you
currently
have.
So
the
city
does
have
programs
to
pursue
acquisition,
rehab
for
multi-family
housing,
you've
partnered
with
many
mansions
and
housing
authority
to
do
affordable
health
rental
housing.
M
The
next
segment
I
want
to
move
on
to
is
about
the
housing
element
update
and
the
housing
element
requirements
under
state
law.
Housing
element
is
one
of
the
eight
mandatory
required
elements
of
the
general
plan.
M
Pretty
much
takes
care
of
people
who
are
above
modern
income
or
high
income.
Then
there
needs
to
be
assistance
to
provide
housing
for
people
who
are
low
and
moderate
income.
Your
obligation
is
not
so
much
as
that
you,
you
have
to
build
the
housing,
the
low,
the
affordable
housing,
because
you
have
limited
resources,
but
your
major
obligation
is
to
make
sure
that
your
regulations
help
to
facilitate
the
development
of
housing
for
low
and
moderate
income
households.
M
Also,
another
requirement
is
to
preserve
and
improve
existing
housing
stock,
particularly
housing
stock
that
is
affordable,
so
that
you,
you
continue
to
maintain
an
affordable
inventory
and,
lastly,
also
related
to
your
your.
The
report
that
you
heard
earlier
is
to
promote
fair
and
fair
housing.
Once
you
have
provided
the
housing
opportunities,
you
have
to
make
sure
that
there's
equal
access
to
housing,
a
key
component
of
the
housing
element,
is
the
concept
of
regional
housing
needs
allocation.
M
M
For
the
the
ventura
county,
the
city
of
thousand
oaks,
we
belonged
into
southern
california,
association
of
governments.
Skag
has
been
allocated
a
very
large
regional
housing
allocation
number
for
the
eight
year
planning
period
of
the
housing
element,
1.3
million
units
and
ventura
county
get
24
000
units,
which
is
only
just
about
eight
1.8
percent
of
the
entire
six
county
region
allocation
and
and
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
gets
an
allocation
of
2578
units.
This
number
is
only
an
estimated
number
is
not
the
final
number.
M
The
regional
housing
it's
allocation
arena
is
divided
into
income
categories
very
low,
seven
about
twenty
eight
percent.
Low
income
about
nineteen
percent
and
moderate
income
about
20
and
above
moderate
is
is
about
32,
and,
if
you
remember
earlier
about
the
income
distribution
chart
in
the
city
of
a
thousand
oaks,
you
have
over
60
something
percent
that
is
above
that's
more
modern
income
and,
above
that's,
higher
allocation
than
higher
proportion
than
the
county.
What
the
regional
housing
needs
allocation
is
doing
is
is
giving
you
a
balance.
M
What
we
need
to
do
in
the
housing
element
is
identify
vacant
and
underutilized
properties
with
near-term
development
potential
that
can
potentially
facilitate
and
accommodate
these
housing
units.
Again,
the
city's
obligation
is
not
that
you
will
build
the
units
you.
You
cannot
function
as
a
developer,
but
you
need
to
make
sure
that
your
development
process,
your
fees,
your
regulations,
are
not
constraining
to
housing
development.
M
M
We
we,
you
know
a
lot
of
the
younger
families
are
looking
for
housing
types
and
amenities
that
may
not
be
the
large
estate
homes.
They
cannot
afford
those.
So
what
would
be
the
appropriate,
probably
apartments,
condos
town
homes,
they
may
be
more
appropriate
for
some
of
the
younger
family
to
live
in.
It
also
allows
seniors
to
downsize.
M
A
lot
of
seniors
would
not
be
able
to
afford
or
or
have
the
physical
ability
to
maintain
a
very
large
home
so
having
the
ability
to
move
down
to
a
smaller
home
would
be
advantageous
or
attractive
to
a
lot
of
cities
to
be
able
to
age
in
place.
We
also
want
to
maple
to
recruit
employers
or
employees,
to
the
community,
make
sure
that
residents
can
live
and
work
in
thousand
oaks.
M
The
next
couple
of
slides
kind
of
go
over
some
of
the
key
policy
direction
from
sacramento
in
terms
of
governing
housing
production.
The
major
direction
is
to
make
sure
that
jurisdictions
remove
constraints
to
development.
Again,
your
application
is
not
necessarily
to
build
them,
but
you
have
to
remove
constraints
to
development
such
as
reducing
fees,
relaxing
development
standards
or
making
development
standards,
objective,
streamlining
and
streamlining
pro
the
processing
of
affordable
housing
and
particular
housing
in
general
and
again
having
objective
standards
for
site
plan
and
design
reviews.
M
Expanding
housing
options
is
another
policy
direction.
We
have
a
lot
of
laws
bills
recently
dealing
with
accessory
dwelling
units,
making
sure
that
your
community
can
accommodate
that
housing
type,
supportive
housing
for
persons
with
disabilities,
housing
for
the
homeless
and
expanding
the
density
bonus
in
order
to
encourage
100,
affordable
housing
projects
in
in
jurisdictions.
M
The
housing
element
it's
different
from
the
rest
of
the
general
plan
in
in
that
it
is
probably
the
most
frequently
litigated
element
of
the
general
plan,
but
it
also
requires
the
review
of
a
state
agency
for
compliance
and
state
law.
No
other
elements
of
the
general
plan
has
that
kind
of
review
the
state,
housing
and
community
development
department
hcd.
M
M
The
city
of
huntington
beach
is
the
first
jurisdiction
zoo
by
the
state
based
on
new
changes
in
state
law
ab-72,
but
there
have
been
a
lot
of
other
communities
that
are
sued
by
non-profits
as
well.
The
other
consequence
of
not
having
a
a
an
eligible
housing
compliant
housing
element
is
eligibility
for
state
funds.
M
One
really
big
one
is
sb2
grants
that
functions
as
a
block
grant.
You
automatically
qualify
for
the
funding.
If
you
have
a
compliant
housing
element
as
long
as
you
apply
for
it,
you
will
get
the
funding.
If
you
have
a
compliant
housing
element
in
the
first
round,
the
city
received
310
000.
It
will
continue
on
an
annual
basis
that
funding
will
continue
to
be
available,
housing,
trust
funds
and
cal
home
funds.
B
Well,
thank
you
very
much,
miss
tam
any
really.
Oh,
mr
bowers
would
like
to
make
a
comment.
N
Just
really
quickly
for
the
council
and
the
community's
benefit.
Thank
you.
Miss
tim
for
the
great
presentation.
The
purposes
as
we
mentioned
at
the
outset
of
this
item
tonight,
was
to
help
set
the
stage
for
the
council
we're
in
the
process
of
a
very
significant
general
plan
update,
and
there
will
be
decisions
moving
forward
as
we
move
through
this
year.
That
will
become
increasingly
complex
and
we
felt
it
was
important
to
have
a
discussion
tonight
on
the
broader
issue
of
of
housing.
B
Thank
you,
mr
powers.
If
I
may,
I
would
like
to
I'll
be
right
to
with
you,
mr
jones.
I
just
want
to
make
a
comment.
I
appreciate
your
present
presentation
very
much,
especially
what
you
said
about
a
variety
of
housing,
a
diverse
housing
stock
and
considering
the
fact
that
our
city
is
almost
50
percent
single-family
homes
in
low-density,
lots
and
the
other
45
percent
is
open
space
and,
as
this
chart
shows,
we
only
have
point
eight
percent
less
than
one
percent
of
developable
land
here
in
the
city.
B
This
this
ability
to
create
diversity
and
variety
in
housing
is
is,
in
my
mind,
essential,
and
I
think
you
make
a
very
good
point
about
young
people
and
seniors
young
people
to
get
started
and
to
get
you
know
to
have
a
stepping
stone.
They
need
this
variety
of
housing,
they
need
an
apartment
or
a
condo
to
get
established
in
the
city,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
that's
the
particular
stock
is
what
we're
lacking
here
in
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
and
all
the
statistics
point
to
that.
B
B
So
it
seems
to
me
that
you
know
the
writing
is
on
the
wall
as
far
as
attracting
young
people-
and
you
made
a
good
point
about
seniors
too
seniors
living
in
these
big
homes
with
pools
and
big
lots
and
a
lot
of
maintenance.
They
want
to
downsize
and
they
need
a
diversity
in
housing
to
be
able
to
do
that
as
well.
But,
of
course,
they're
going
to
have
someone
to
sell
those
homes
too,
which
could
be
a
problem
down
the
road.
B
However,
I
I
think
you
made
some
very
good
points
and
appreciate
your
report
and
mr
jones,
would
you
like
to
make
a
comment?
Yeah.
N
J
M
J
Well,
this
this
theory
that
they
have
evidently
been
adopting
and
implementing
you
say
since
the
1980s
has
the
effect
of
changing
the
original
concept
that
a
city
had
when
it
began
to
develop
and
the
criteria
that
were
used
then
had
to
do
with
creating
a
very
lovely
environment
for
the
people
to
live
in
and
now
it
seems,
and
I'm
not
making
a
value
judgment
on
it.
J
But
it
seems
that
that
idea
has
changed
and
we're
more
concerned
about
different
levels
of
income
being
accommodated
in
a
certain
geographical
area,
rather
than
a
balance
of
parks
and
schools
and
playgrounds
and
open
space
etc.
And
I'm
beginning
to
wonder,
although
I
think
most
of
us
admire
the
open
space.
Let's
take
that
element
for
a
moment
that
we've
created
through
the
koska,
this
partnership
between
the
city
and
the
canarican
park
district.
J
But
it
seems
to
me
if
this
idea
of
of
having
the
best
housing
stock
to
accommodate
a
whole
range
of
people
and
we
keep
getting
more
numbers.
It's
2500
this
year,
and
I
understand
it
was
originally
like
7
000
and
we
got
it
down
to
2
500..
Did
you
say
that
mr
man,
I
mean
it
seems
to
me
the
logical
extension
and
conclusion
of
this
process
every
year?
J
We're
gonna
have
to
change,
ratios,
etc
of
what
is
where
in
our
city,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
this
economic
standard
and
I
it
sounds
like
I'm
against
you-
know
entry-level
people,
I'm
not.
I
was
one
myself
here
many
years
ago,
but
it
seems
to
me
you're
that
the
if
you
do
this
over
many
many
years,
you're
going
to
change
the
whole
character
of
a
city,
and
I
wonder
if
that
did
they
think
about
the
ultimate
goal.
If
we
keep,
they
keep
asking
us
for
7,
000
or
5
000
or
more
units
a
year.
J
Is
that
is
there
an
end
to
it
somewhere
or
are
we
supposed
to
just
keep
you
know,
raising
the
population
all
the
time?
M
Well,
I
think
one
thing
is:
the
state
has
changed
the
state
of
california.
The
character
of
the
state
has
changed
as
long
as
the
state
continues
to
grow.
The
the
state
law
says
each
jurisdiction
has
that
responsibility
to
help
share
the
burden
of
the
growth.
Now
it
doesn't
change
the
fact
that
it
will
be
difficult
and
use
decisions
that
the
city
would
have
to
make
in
the
upcoming.
You
know
months
when
you're
doing
your
general
plan
update,
but
until
you
know,
until
there
is
a
a
different,
you
know,
a
change
in
state
law.
B
Mr
jones,
may
I
say
something
the
the
model
that
you
helped
create
back
in
1970
for
the
for
the
city,
and
you
had
a
big
hand
in
that.
I
know
you
did
has
worked
well
over
the
years
and
I
think,
as
I
stated,
with
about
half
the
city
in
single-family
homes
and
about
another
45
on
open
space.
B
I
don't
see
that
changing.
I
don't
see
that
changing
at
all.
We
have
less
than
one
percent
of
developed
land
here
in
the
city,
less
than
one
percent
and
we've
identified
opportunity
sites,
small
though
they
may
be
along
the
101
corridor,
not
in
existing
neighborhoods,
not
an
open
space.
Anything
like
that.
B
So
this
notion
that
somehow
we
would
disturb
the
balance
of
the
city.
I
don't
I
don't
think
is-
is
valid.
We've
identified
opportunity
sites
where
some
housing
could
go,
and
but
I
think
the
overall
model
that
you
helped
create
will
will
remain.
B
Well,
it's
not
whether
it's
it's
land
that's
available
and
and
if
you
look
at
the
chart
that
was
presented
to
us
tonight,
0.8
percent
of
developable
land
left
in
the
city.
That's
a
very,
very
small
portion.
That's
not
north
ranch!
That's
not
lynn
ranch!
That's
not!
First
neighborhood!
That's
not
lang
ranch!
That's
not
dos
vientos!
Those
are
all
established
neighborhoods!
That's
not
our
fifteen
thousand
acres
of
open
space
surrounding
the
city,
that's
very
small.
B
J
J
B
J
N
Point
because
I
heard
a
couple
times
a
number
mentioned:
it's
important,
the
regional
housing
needs
assessment.
Number
that's
will
be
finalized.
This
fall.
We
anticipate
ours
being
around
2600
units,
that's
over
an
eight-year
cycle,
and
so
it's
just
important
to
remember
these.
These
are
not
annual
requirements
in
terms
of
those
numbers,
and
so
when
you
equate
it
out,
it's
roughly
300
350
units
of
of
housing
per
year
over
that
period.
B
Yeah
and
by
any
measure
we
we've
been
in
extremely
slow
growth
city.
I
think
I
just
staff
recently
reported
over
the
last
five
years.
We've
built
was
it
400
units,
I
think
about
80
units
a
year
we've
averaged,
which
is
by
no
means
I
would
call
any
kind
of
fast
growth,
but
be
that
as
it
may,
let
me
get
to
council
member
angler.
D
Thank
you
for
the
presentation,
miss
tam,
a
couple
of
questions.
I
think
kind
of
technical
questions
in
your
presentation.
You
talked
about
we're
we're
required
to
find
sites
that
will
sustain
appropriate
density
and
also
have
development
standards.
Can
you
go
a
little
more
into
that
description,
as
as
the
law
states.
M
So
if
your
land
use
destination
can
cover,
let's
say
from
20
to
30
units
to
the
acre
that
zoning
district
is
considered
to
be
adequate
to
facilitate
and
encourage.
But
then
you
also
need
to
look
at
your
development
standards,
your
parking,
your
height
limits
and
and
in
your
open
safes
requirements.
All
this
would
have
to
work
out
so
that
development
can
occur
within
that
kind
of
zoning
district,
and
now
that
we
have
the
zoning
district,
we
need
to
identify
sites
that
are
either
vacant
or
or
underutilized.
D
M
The
state
doesn't
really
dictate
where
you
want
to
put
the
housing,
so
there
is
absolutely
no
requirement
and
no
risk
at
all
for
the
state
to
say
that
you
need
to
utilize
your
open
space
to
meet
the
regional
housing
needs
allocation.
How
you
can
figure
out
within
your
land,
use
policies
entirely
up
to
the
jurisdiction.
D
Thank
you,
then.
A
couple
of
the
other
questions-
sb
330
talks
about
a
less
intensive
views
is
that
down
zoning.
If
we
were
to
down
zone
an
area
from
say
a
multiple
residence
area
to
a
single-family
residence
area,
is
that
the
type
of
thing
they're
talking
about
right.
M
If
you're
down
zoning
in
one
area,
you
need
to
up
zone
in
another
area
to
to
to
have
a
no
net
loss
balance
in
your
community
and,
and
that
is
a
recent
state
law.
Yes,.
D
Now
maybe
ab101
it
talks
about
a
by
right
use.
If
we
designate
an
area,
do
we
then
relinquish
some
of
our
control
over
how
that
is
developed,
or
is
it
a
buy
right
use
that
the
ab
101
is
going
to
be.
M
Well,
let's
go
ahead
right
means
by
right
and
in
terms
of
use
and
density
it
doesn't.
It
doesn't
prevent
the
jurisdictions
from
having
site
plan,
review
and
design
review
as
long
as
you
have
objective
standards
and
guidelines
for
your
review
and
that
you
do
not
require
developer
to
lower
the
density
as
part
of
that
site
plan
and
and
and
and
design
review.
So
as
long
as
they
comply
with
your
zoning
code
and
your
general
plan.
D
And
maybe
I'll
editorialize,
a
little
bit,
I
think,
with
the
state,
is,
is
requesting
very
strongly.
They
do
have
the
an
ab101.
I
believe
it
is.
They
have
the
the
stick
aspect
of
it.
You
mentioned
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
per
month
for
non-compliance,
which
is
a
million
a
year,
which
is
a
lot
of
money,
but
the
state
is
also
trying
to
get
us
to
address
a
statewide
issue.
D
I
think
we
have
some
opportunities,
maybe
to
do
that
in
our
in
our
community.
I'm.
I
think
I
think
we
need
to
seize
on
the
opportunity
to
not
look
at
the
state
as.
M
Absolutely
then,
there
are
a
lot
of
bills
that
talks
about
regulations
and
and
and
development
standards
and
policies,
but
there
are
also
a
lot
of
bills
that
actually
generate
funding.
Sb2
is
one
81.
101
is
another
one.
That
also
has
a
planning
grant
that
attached
to
101
as
well.
There
are
a
lot
of
other
housing
for
the
disabled
housing
for
the
for
the
homeless
and
also
general
affordable
housing
funds.
The
state
law
has
actually
provided
for
additional
funding
opportunities
for
jurisdictions
to
address
the
housing
issues.
O
O
O
Well,
what
is
it
just
barely
300
acres,
if
that
is,
if
we're
just
very
simplistic,
not
considering
topography
and
other
restrictions.
That
is
really
not
a
lot
and
what
happens
with
all
of
the
restrictions
now
from
sacramento
and
the
directions
from
sacramento
once
we
have
really
covered
everything
there
is
to
cover
in
thousand
oaks
with
housing.
M
Well,
I
don't
necessarily
want
to
predict,
what's
going
to
happen,
the
next
cycle,
because
when
we
did
this
current
cycle,
we,
you
know
the
fifth
cycle.
We
didn't
know
what
happened
with
the
next
cycle,
but
on
the
other
hand,
if
you
have
reached
a
certain
point
in
terms
of
your
housing
and
your
maturity
in
your
community.
M
M
To
dictate
its
policy,
but
if
you
look
at
the
majority
of
the
housing
growth
with
the
1.3
million
units,
only
1.8
percent
went
to
ventura
county.
The
majority
of
the
housing
actually
goes
to
the
inland
empire
to
la
county
to
orange
county.
So
it's
recognizing
the
fact
that
ventura
county
is
has
its
limitations
in
terms
of
its
natural
resources
and
land,
and
also
the
fact
that
you,
you
have
not
been
the
fastest
growing
community
and
there
are
transportation
issues
access
issues.
M
So
I
think
you
know
I
can't
predict,
what's
going
to
happen
with
state
law
and
what's
going
to
happen
with
the
economy
and
what's
going
to
happen
with
with
how
much
growth
is
going
to
come
to
california.
M
O
Well,
it's
good
to
hear
that,
but
for
us
residents
in
little
thousand
oaks
and
surrounded
by
our
neighbors,
it's
a
large
number
when
we
hear
2
500
units
this
cycle
and
then
several
thousand
more
down
the
road.
So
obviously
we
don't
want
to
change
the
character
of
our
city
and
we
can
take
it
to
the
max.
But
there
is
a
ceiling
somewhere
and
I'm
just
wondering
how
realistic
it
will
be
with
policies
more
bills
in
in
the
coming
down
the
pike,
how
realistic
that
it
will
be
to
to
oblige
yeah.
M
I
think
you
know
the
what
the
mayor
mentioned
earlier
is
an
an
important
consideration
is
look
at
where
growth
is
appropriate
in
your
community.
There
are
areas,
opportunity
sites
that
are
catalyst
areas
that
can
generate
or
create
neighborhoods
or
little
villages
that
are
more
appropriate
housing
types
for
the
younger
generation
that
don't
like
to
drive
to
everything
they
like
to
have
like
walk
to
the
coffee
place.
They
can
you
know
there.
There
are
opportunities
within
the
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
to
have
these
kind
of
villages
or
scent
activity
centers.
O
Thank
you,
and
as
I'm
pondering
this
and
looking
at
the
numbers
in
available
land,
I'm
I'm
wondering
is
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
better
off,
just
having
concentrated
density
in
certain
areas
like
the
villages
you
mentioned,
or
do
we
keep
buildings
at
two
stories,
no
more
than
three
stories
but
spread
it
out
through
throughout
the
city.
M
I
think
I'm
I
don't
want
to
go
into
that
direction,
because
I
think
that
kind
of
land
use
discussion.
It
involves
a
much
bigger,
deeper
discussion
and
I
don't
want
to
you
know,
move
ahead
and
talk
about
that
without
a
bigger
and
deeper
discussions,
but
how
the
community
wants
to
do.
It
is
entirely
up
to
you.
You
know
what
you
feel
is
appropriate
for
the
community
is
entirely
up
to
you.
O
So,
technically,
as
we're
as
we're
reaching
out
to
our
residents
for
input
for
feedback,
normally
we
have.
We
hear
they
like
to
see
a
height
limit,
nothing
excessive,
nothing
as
tall
as
this
building,
for
example,
and
so
that
is
something
that
cities
not
only
like
thousand
oaks
or
a
thousand
oaks
aren't
taking
into
consideration.
O
M
You
can
still
enforce
high
height
limit,
but
you
need
to
also
respect
the
30
units
to
the
acre.
Can
you
can
you
accommodate
a
building
that
has
30
units
to
the
acre
and
all
the
development
standards
that
you'd
like
to
put
in
place?
So
it's
it's
like
a
jigsaw
puzzle
that
you're
going
to
have
to
work
through
as
part
of
the
general
plan
update,
you
can
still
have
heightened
miss,
but
it
has
to
be
feasible
and.
J
M
That's
based
on
the
census,
diff
boundaries
of
the
city,
the
political
boundaries
for
the
city,
I
think
so.
J
When
we
planned
the
mayor
made
an
illusion
allusion
to
the
planning
we
did
in
the
early
70s,
we
planned
for
the
whole
valley
thinking
that
these
areas
would
want
to
annex,
but
some
of
them
never
did,
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
that
is
an
accurate
figure.
I
mean
you
can
just
check
that.
I
I
don't
know
how
long
we
want
to
continue
this
discussion,
mr
mayor,
but
I
I
really
am
concerned,
especially
by
the
phrase
you
used
to
straight.
The
state
wants
to
remove
constraints
to
development.
J
J
I
just
to
talk
about
political
theory
for
a
moment
the
the
idea
of
the
state
prescribing
in
some
detail
what
cities
can
do
is
really
a
departure,
in
my
opinion,
from
the
whole
theory
of
cities.
We
all
know
that
cities
and
counties
and
special
districts
were
not
provided
for
the
united
states
constitution.
J
As
far
as
the
you
know,
the
the
planning
and
the
the
very
like
you
know
day-to-day
life
details
of
the
city.
I
don't
see
how
they
can
know
that
and
to
me,
this
idea
of
one
size
fits
all
that
they
seem
to
be
same
just
allocating
numbers
on
the
basis
of
a
certain
number
of
cities
and
dividing
it.
And
so
you
get
this
much
and
somebody
else
gets
that
much
and
I
I
don't
think,
there's
any
logical
conclusion.
I
would
like
to
touch
on
what
council
member
de
la
pena
said.
J
There
is
no
ceiling
on
this
that
I
can
see.
I
mean
I'm
not
going
to
be
around
to
see
us
reach
200
000,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
there
is
no
necessary
stop
to
to
this
idea
of
continually
planning
for
this
based
on
the
economy,
and
I
I
believe
at
some
point.
J
If
this
continues,
we
ought
to
to
send
a
delegation
to
sacramento
and-
and-
and
I
don't
know
mr
city
manager-
if
this
has
happened
before,
but
I
you
know,
I
believe
that
they're
taking
away
local
control
and
and
for
now
it
might
be
able
to
accommodate
the
little
bit
of
raw
land
we
have,
but.
K
J
Don't
know
what
happens
when
this
planning
may
reach
a
you
know
further
stage
which
I
wouldn't
want
to
see.
Thank
you
end
of
sermon,
yeah,
mr.
N
Powers
I
just
wanted
to
quickly
respond
to
a
couple,
a
couple
of
points
from
councilmember
jones.
Yes,
we
have
been
very
much
on
the
record
consistently
with
our
positions
in
sacramento
advocating
for
local
control
and
we
have
probably
one
of
the
most
thorough
paper
trials
on
that
of
any
city
in
in
california.
N
What
I
think
is
important
for
the
entire
council
is
the
reason
we're
having
this
discussion
here
tonight.
Is
the
council
later
early
this
summer
will
be
having
a
discussion
around
your
land
use
alternative.
That's
the
next
sort
of
really
big
piece
of
the
general
plan
process
and
the
reason
that
staff
brought
the
item
to
you
last
winter.
To
do
a
comprehensive
update
was
specifically
to
maintain
local
control
for
the
council
to
be
in
the
driver's
seat
as
the
land
use
authority
and
determining
within
the
confines
of
the
state.
N
And
yes,
there
are
numbers
attached
and
other
other
things
like
that,
but
the
council,
as
the
land
use
authority,
should
be
the
one
that
dictates
where
that
goes
from
a
zoning
perspective
from
a
land
use
perspective,
and
so
that's
the
dialogue.
That's
been
happening
out
in
the
community,
but,
moreover,
that's
the
question.
This
can
be
in
front
of
the
council
as
you
look
at
a
map
and
you
look
at
that
that
unit
count
of
2
600
units.
Where
do
you
want
to
place
that
and
the
council
controls
that?
N
And
you
know
the
one
thing
that
we've
talked
about
pretty
consistently
as
a
when
we've
heard
from
our
outreach
efforts,
there's
things
that
we
all
cherish
and
want
to
preserve,
open
space
being
chiefly
among
them
and
the
character
of
our
single
family
neighborhoods
being
high
on
that
list
as
well.
So
the
good
news
for
the
city
council
is,
you
are
in
the
driver's
seat.
That
is
the
reason
doing
a
comprehensive
general
plan
update,
gives
you
the
most
power
and
tools
to
chart
the
community's
course
forward.
G
Thank
you.
I
was
actually
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
mr
power
said,
but
the
only
other
thing
I
wanted
to
add
is
when
we're
talking
about
various
housing
cycles.
Every
time
we
go
through
a
housing
cycle,
we
don't
know
where
we're
going
to
go
from
there.
I
think
the
last
housing
cycle,
how
many
units
were
we
allocated
the
last
housing
cycle
mark.
G
200
and
something
so
we
really
don't
know,
what's
going
to
happen,
the
next
housing
cycle
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
So
that's
something
to
consider
at
this
point.
Right
now
we
are
working
on
a
comprehensive
general
plan,
update
that's
going
to
last
for
at
least
25
30
years,
if
not
more,
given
the
fact
that
the
one
that
we
originally
did
wasn't
touched
for
50
years,
we
must
meet
our
arena
obligations.
G
We
must
identify
housing
locations
for
at
least
this
cycle,
we're
going
to
try
to
work
on
what
we
would
predict
as
three
cycles,
which
is
almost
a
built
out
type
of
a
concept,
but
we
really
don't
know
what's
going
to
happen,
as
ms
hamm
said,
what
the
economy
is
going
to
dictate
population
growth
trends
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
So
those
are
all
going
to
factor
into
future
housing
cycles
as
well.
B
Thank
you,
mr
noonan,
and
as
ms
tam
mentioned,
about
opportunity
sites,
we
do
have
some
opportunity
sites
in
thousand
oaks.
They
run
along
the
101
court
or
they're
not
involved
with
single
family,
home
neighborhoods
and
those
could
potentially
be
developed
and,
as
you
said,
respect
the
character
of
the
city
at
the
same
time.
So
I
appreciate
that
councilmember
angler.
D
Thank
you
mayor.
I
was
going
to
tag
along
a
little
bit
with
miss
noonan
as
well.
I'd
the
the
state
is,
is
handing
down
some
some
regulations
that
we
need
to
to
work
with.
That's
the
cards
were
dealt,
I'm
not
going
to
worry
too
much
crystal
ball
too
much
what's
happening
eight
years
from
now,
because
we-
I
don't
think
anybody
can
crystal
ball,
that
could
it
continue
to
accelerate,
probably
could
or
it
could
go
back
to
the
200
we
had
last
time.
I
know
that
ab.
D
I
think
it's
a
b
or
senate
bill
330.
It
has
a
sunset
in
2025,
as
well
as
a
couple
of
the
other
regulations
that
have
been
sent
down
to
us
sunset
down
in
2025.
So
to
try
and
crystal
ball.
What's
going
to
happen,
I
think
is
an
exercise
of
fertility
right
now.
I
think
we
need
to
play
the
cards
that
were
dealt
right
now
address
our
arena.
Numbers
find
those
locations
and
comply
with
with
the
state.
So
we
can
get
our
certification.
O
Yes,
certainly
we
have
to
follow
state
law,
there's
nothing
we
can
do
about
that
at
the
moment.
But
to
mention
to
piggyback
on
what
councilmember
jones
said,
it
was
the
cities,
the
smaller
cities
of
the
state
of
california,
which
prevented
one
of
the
most
disastrous
bills
from
becoming
law
sb50
by
scott
weiner,
and
we
had
to
fight
tooth
and
nail
in
order
to
stop
that
bill
from
getting
passed
and-
and
that
is
he's
not
giving
up.
O
The
author
of
the
bill
is
not
giving
up,
and
so,
while
we
have
the
chance
to
still
maintain
the
little
control
that
we
have,
we
have
to
take
the
opportunity
to
identify
opportunity
sites
which
we
already
have
and
before
before
it
will
become
even
worse.
So,
yes,
it
is
important
to
know
what
the
f
we
don't.
We
cannot
predict
the
future,
certainly,
but
we
have
to
figure
out
a
way
to
signal
to
sacramento
that
in
eight
years
from
now
or
even
25
years,
I
mean
this
cannot
continue
to
happen.
O
New
york
is
couldn't
cannot
build
its
way
out
of
the
housing
problem.
I
mean
look
at
the
density
in
the
urban
areas
in
the
state
of
new
york
and
the
rent
is
even
higher,
so
to
think
that
we
can
build
and
build
and
build,
and
the
problems
will
be
solved
is
just
really
not
making
any
sense
to
me,
but
certainly
with
what
we
have
here
tonight.
You
are
looking
for
direction
from
the
from
the
council,
and
certainly
we
will
give
that
to
you.
B
Thank
you,
and
we
do
have
one
speaker
and
I
I
just
will
say-
and
I
appreciate
all
the
comments,
a
good
discussion
and
that's
what
the
reason
for
this
agenda
item
was
for
tonight.
B
B
C
C
Some
of
you
may
know
that
I
work
at
city
hall,
I'm
speaking
as
a
public
citizen.
I
was
able
to
walk
to
work
today.
I
live
near
triumphant
park
and
the
reason
why
that's
possible
is
because
my
husband
and
I
bought
our
house
18
years
ago.
Our
house
value
has
doubled,
but
the
salaries
at
city
hall
have
not
new
teachers
and
new
city
employees,
civil
engineers,
etc.
C
C
C
The
housing
market
is
reacting
to
a
short
housing
supply
with
grossly
employed
housing
prices
and
rents,
but
it's
not
a
true
supply
and
demand
situation,
because
it's
not
a
free
market.
It
has
been
controlled
by
regulations
and
zoning
laws
that
have
favored
single-family
housing.
If
you
take
a
look
at
our
street
layouts,
you
can't
take
the
bus
anywhere
because
everybody
lives
on
a
cul-de-sac.
C
I
just
would
encourage
city
council
that
thousand
oaks
needs
to
create
zoning
and
building
regulations
that
allow
and
support
building
higher
density
housing.
I
also
want
to
say
that
I
am
for
one
of
a
better
term.
I
don't
know
this
may
not
be
the
right
term,
but
I'm
a
yimbi.
C
I
take
a
look
at
the
kmart
site.
That's
on
my
way
to
school,
that's
at
my
freeway
exit
and
I
would
love
to
see
high
density
housing
there.
I
would
love
to
see
three
or
four
story
housing
there.
I
would
like
to
see
as
many
people
who
work
in
the
city
live
in
the
city,
so
if
that
ever
comes
up
before
city
council,
you
might
get
some
of
my
neighbors
who
complain,
but
I'm
going
to
stand
here
and
say
yes
build
that
in
my
backyard.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
Well,
thank
you,
miss
vanzil,
alrighty,
well,
staff.
Did
you
have
any
other
comments
that
you'd
like
to
make
we're
good
all
right?
I
want
to
thank
ms
tam
and
mr
forbes
for
the
presentation
this
evening
and
there's
no
vote
necessary,
but
I
think
we
had
a
very
good
discussion
and
we'll
continue
this
throughout
the
year
as
we
continue
to
work
on
our
general
plan
update
and
with
that
we're
going
to
move
on
now
to
city
manager.
Comments,
do
you
have
any
follow-up,
mr
powers.
N
Just
to
let
the
city
council
know
that
our
next
meeting
will
be
two
weeks
from
tonight
on
the
25th
of
of
february,
we'll
have
a
public
hearing
on
some
energy
services
for
led
lighting.
Retrofits
that'll
come
from
our
public
works
department,
a
department
report
on
refunding
of
lease
revenue
bonds
at
the
library,
our
next
consideration
of
the
campus
master
plan
and
the
award
of
the
thousand
oaks
boulevard.
Streetscape
improvement
efforts,
along
with
our
community
enhancement,
grant
awards.
B
B
B
And
gentlemen,
thank
you
for
listening
to
our
council
meeting
tonight.
I'm
going
to
adjourn
for
a
couple
of
weeks
and
we'll
see
you
then.