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Thanks
for
joining
us
tonight,
everybody
would
you
stand
with
me
as
we
recite
the
pledge
of
allegiance.
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Each
year
the
kaneho
open
space
foundation
holds
trails
education
days,
an
outdoor
education
program
for
conejo
valley.
Fourth
grade
students
that
is
sponsored
by
the
kaneho
open
space
trails
advisory
committee.
This
unique
program
includes
a
nature,
hike
and
workshops
in
wildwood
park.
After
the
field
trips,
the
students
are
invited
to
enter
a
letter
writing
contest,
which
is
judged
by
a
group
of
volunteers,
including
retired
teachers.
Two
students
from
each
participating
school
receive
prizes
for
their
letters
and
five
students.
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E
This
year,
1101
cvusd
4th
graders
attended
trails
education
days.
The
students
day
begins
with
a
one
hour:
nature
hike
through
wildwood
canyon
and
the
children
are
grouped
with
hike
leaders
who
are
volunteers,
many
of
whom
have
extensive
experience
in
naturalist
training
and
so
forth.
One
of
the
hike
leaders
this
year
remembers
her
fifth
grade
trails,
education
days,
field
trip
following
the
hike.
The
three
workshops
focused
on
ranger
careers,
indigenous
birds
and
animals,
presented
by
animal
actors
of
hollywood
and
trail
safety
and
courtesy
around
75
volunteers,
plus
the
costco
ranger
staff
make
the
program
possible.
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The
conejo,
open
space
foundation
provides
funding
for
the
annual
writing
contest,
which
incorporates
curriculum
concepts
and
vocabulary
suggested
by
cvusd
staff.
This
year
we
received
880
letters,
which
is,
if
you
do,
the
math.
It's
79.9
percent
of
the
students
submitted
letters,
which
is
a
very
high
number.
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C
This
is
a
time
and
place
for
public
comments.
A
speaker
card
is
available
for
those
wishing
to
address
the
city
council
regarding
items
on
the
agenda
or
on
a
subject
within
the
city's
jurisdiction.
Speakers
for
public
hearing
items
shall
be
called
and
heard
during
the
public
hearing.
All
remarks
should
be
addressed
to
the
council
as
a
whole
and
all
documents
for
city
council
and
the
official
record
should
be
presented
to
the
city
clerk
prior
to
speaking.
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C
Breath,
thank
you,
nice
to
see
you
all.
So
we
are
concerned
about
the
advice
and
counsel.
Mr
kramer
is
giving
you.
There
are
hundreds
of
top
scientists
who
have
proven
waves
do
harm
to
humans.
Despite
what
journalists,
telecom,
industry
and
thousand
oaks
wireless
consultant
attorney.
Jonathan
cramer
says
that
waves
don't
do
harm.
He
said
on
march
5th,
2019
that
every
tower
application
in
the
last
34
years
has
crossed
his
desk,
so
he
approved
the
cell
towers
on
top
of
stoplights,
where
school
children
cross
the
intersections.
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C
We
are
too
smart
to
believe
one
view
of
something,
especially
when
it
comes
to
protecting
our
children,
families,
pets,
environment
and
property
values.
Does
his
firm
believe
that
making
poor
decisions
is
the
truth
and
and
that
it's
protecting
us?
We
aren't
giving
up.
We
aren't
going
away.
We
will
continue
speaking
up
for
everyone
else
in
our
community
who
are
afraid
to
public
speak
or
unable
to
come
here
because
of
work
and
family.
C
I,
my
advice
to
all
is
to
listen
to
dr
trevor
marshall,
who
lives
in
our
community
and
is
a
known
and
respected
worldwide
is
worldwide
renowned.
He
has
shared
his
knowledge,
the
last
two
times
at
the
council
meetings.
He
is
peer-reviewed,
published
in
both
wireless
engineering
and
human
biology
and
has
been
a
member
of
several
clinical
research
teams,
as
well
as
holding
patents
for
therapy
called
the
marshall
protocol
to
cure
people
from
chronic
disease.
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Some
people
initially
said
it
was
quackery,
but
with
20
years
of
success
behind
him
and
his
teams,
the
patent-operated
technology
is
being
run
by
the
people
whose
lives
it
saved.
Please
listen
to
the
experts,
like
dr
marshall
and
other
doctors
and
scientists
who
have
been
coming
here
at
every
city
council
meeting
educating
all
of
us.
We
requested
a
second
meeting
with
julia
congressman
julia
brownlee.
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C
We
we
would
like
to
meet
with
you
still
we're
still
trying
to
to
sit
down.
I
know
with
the
brown
act.
You
can't
two
and
two
talk,
but
we
would
just
like
some
response
back
to
please
we're
running
out
of
time
before
these
pop
up.
I
was
down
thousand
oaks
boulevard
and
I
saw
new
antennas
up
on
top
of
the
light
posts
and
I
was
shocked.
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I
couldn't
believe
it
because
I
know
we
don't
have
any
5g,
but
I
believe
it's
4g
and
I
have
meters
that
I've
purchased,
that
I'm
going
to
go
out
and
read
the
reading.
So
I'll
come
back
to
you
with
what
the
readings
are.
Many
people
are
calling
all
of
us
that
have
been
here,
contacting
us
by
email
and
asking
for
help.
They
don't
know
what
to
do.
So.
That's
why
we're
asking
if
we
could
please
meet
with
you,
have
a
public
hearing,
let's
those
who
have
nothing
to
hide
hide
nothing.
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Tell
our
community,
we
give
you
an
extra
minute.
We
still
got
to
stay
on
time.
Everybody
thank
you
and,
by
the
way,
folks,
just
to
let
you
know
there
will
be
there's
a
letter
that
went
out
to
dianne
feinstein
kamala
harris
both
our
senators
and
congresswoman
julia
brownlee.
So
it's
on
behalf
of
the
city
signed
by
me,
it'll,
be
up
on
the
facts.
Page.
I
think
you'll
appreciate
it
vitaly.
Is
that
how
we
say
your
name,
I'm
sorry
friend.
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G
You
mayor,
my
name
is
vitelli
gisson
and
from
my
name
you
can
hear
that
I'm
not
fully
american.
I
spent
half
of
my
life
outside
of
the
united
states,
so
I
think
I
have
a
fresh
vision
and
understanding
of
what
is
maybe
good.
What
is
maybe
not
so
two
things
that
really
prompted
me
to
be
here
today.
Number
one
is
due
to
the
nature
of
my
lifestyle,
often
time
I
have
to
leave
my
house
for
a
few
days,
maybe
up
to
a
week,
maybe
sometimes
two
weeks.
G
Every
time
I
come
back,
my
entire
house
is
decorated
by
annoying
ads
everywhere,
like
plastic
bags,
little
ads
stuck
to
my
door.
So
I
really
feel
that
this
is
a
problem,
because
essentially
that
creates
a
very
obvious
image
that
this
house
is
unoccupied
and
it
I
I
have
no
way
of
stopping
this
because
technically
anybody
who
can
stop
by
kicking
stick-
and
there
is
a
mailbox
for
things
like
that.
This
is
printed
materials.
I
understand
belongs
to
usps,
so
they
can
legally
use
that.
But
what
I
did
I
basically
asked
citizens
around
newbury
park.
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If
we
have
enough
supporters-
and
surprisingly
enough
quite
quite
a
significant
number-
probably
around
50
more
than
50
people
agreed
that
it
probably
would
be
a
great
idea
to
do
something
about
this,
because
you
know
if
people
want
to
advertise
certain
things
might
as
well
put
a
stamp
and
send
it
through
the
mail
but
trashing
my
house
is:
I
should
be
illegal
to
some
degree,
so
that
is
issue
number
one.
I'm
here
and
number
two
is,
I
mean.
Is
it
of
course?
It's
coincidental?
G
I
read
on
the
agenda
that
there
is
a
change
in
the
policy
or
that's
to
be
considered
in
regards
to
use
of
public
sp
spaces
for
homeless
people.
I
am
very
sympathetic
to
the
fact
that
some
people
may
be
unemployed
or
homeless,
but
I
think
what
is
important
for
us
is
to
use
common
sense,
because
definitely
some
people
require
help
and
we
definitely
can
help
and
we
should
help
as
a
society,
but
at
the
same
time
we
shouldn't
be
blindly
giving
that
green
light
to
everybody.
We
have
to
really
try
to
screen.
G
We
have
to
really
do
the
best.
We
can
to
help
these
people.
If
we
cannot
establish
strong
enough
programs,
maybe
then
we
should
work
on
these
programs,
but
just
letting
these
people
sleep
outside
everywhere.
Gonna
make
this
wonderful,
clean,
a
child,
a
family-friendly
neighborhood
into
something
that
is
very,
is
already
happening
in
the
streets
of
san
francisco
or
downtown
los
angeles.
It's
really
a
shame
to
see
that,
and
when
I
invite
my
friends
from
outside
of
united
states
to
see
san
francisco,
they
look
at
marcus
series
like
what's
going
on.
Is
this
normal?
G
B
H
Welcome
good
evening,
everybody,
hello,
I'm
sure
that
as
local
government
representatives,
you
want
to
make
the
best
decisions
for
your
constituents.
The
choices
you
make
now
will
have
a
huge
impact
upon
future
generations.
H
H
H
Could
it
be
that
they
are
so
weak
in
this
area
that
they
cannot
afford
to
be
transparent
with
the
public?
That
too
much
is
at
stake.
Could
this
be
why
they
are
in
such
a
rush
to
install
the
equipment
before
it
is
carefully
researched
out?
Does
this
strong-armed
approach
resonate
with
the
philosophy
of
the
founding
fathers
of
our
great
nation?
H
The
5g
rollout
is
backed
by
big
investors
to
the
tune
of
trillions
upon
trillions
of
dollars.
That's
a
lot
of
money
to
be
made
or
wasted.
Depending
on
how
you
view
this
project,
5g
requires
20
000
satellites
to
be
fully
activated
globally.
This
is
a
new
technology
which
has
never
been
proven,
safe
shouldn't
the
burden
of
proof
be
on
the
fcc.
H
G
Hi
I'm
mike
hernandez
president
ceo
of
history
makers,
international,
a
thousand
oaks
community,
non-profit
history
makers,
is
called
to
heal.
The
breaches
in
history
connect
generations,
past
present
and
future
call
for
the
next
generation
to
become
light
in
the
city
and
call
the
next
generation
rebuild,
raise
up,
repair
and
restore
the
city
gates.
G
G
You
can
see
we
have
four
major
topics:
an
introduction
to
leadership,
freedom,
true
liberty,
morality
and
character.
The
birth
of
a
nation
servant,
leadership.
Past
present
future
you'll
be
seeing
some
of
these
participants
at
future
city
council
meetings
in
june.
Our
youth
will
also
be
involved
in
four
hours
of
community
service
and
have
a
chance
to
tour
city
hall.
G
I'd
like
to
commend
city
council
for
their
sponsorship
of
the
thousand
oaks
youth
commission.
That
gives
an
opportunity
for
youth
in
our
community
to
serve
other
youth.
Two
of
our
leaders
of
that
commission
are
graduating
this
year.
I
also
want
to
commend
adult
youth
commissioner
pete
martinez
for
winning
the
national
award
for
his
work
with
you.
Next,
I
would
like
to
commend
bob
engler
for
representing
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
at
the
rotary
club
of
thousand
oaks
33rd
annual
youth
citizenship
award
program
held
may
16th.
B
Thank
you,
mr
hernandez
ellen,
you're
up
and
then
tanya.
H
Hello,
please,
I
would
like
you
to
improve
and
update
the
2064
vision
to
protect,
rather
than
harm
public
health.
H
Page
12
of
your
12
of
your
2064
report
says
that
you
are
going
to
move
towards
becoming
a
smart
and
wireless
connected
city
with
complete
wireless
coverage
and
then
it
repeats-
and
it
says
more-
complete
wireless
coverage.
It
then
later
says
internet
coverage
for
everyone.
It
says,
find
ways
to
enhance
internet
availability
throughout
the
community.
H
H
It
feels
a
bit
underhanded
that
this
hasn't
come
into
the
picture
because
we're
working
as
a
community
for
you
here
we
are
trying
to
work
together
with
you.
He
just
the
first
gentleman
before
me.
Just
spoke
of
children
in
the
future,
those
beautiful
children
were
just
here,
intelligent
striving
for
their
futures
were
here.
We
all
of
us
have
no
right
to
take
those
children's
futures
away.
H
Okay,
we
have
addre,
we
have
ex
many
many
people
here
have
given
you
the
knowledge
to
set
up
a
system
that
makes
it
safe
for
us.
We
have
no
right
to
take
away
their
future
and
kids.
Already.
I
just
heard
on
1070
a
mainstream
radio,
a
pediatrician
was
saying
that
children
are
coming
into
his
office
and
he
is
observing
symptoms
of
alzheimer's
disease
that
he
believes
are
directly
connected
to
the
amount
of
wireless
wi-fi
and
cell
phone
usage
children
at
a
pediatrician's
office.
B
C
Hello
city
council,
you
might
have
to
focus
a
little
bit
more
because
I
have
an
accent
and
I
might
have
to
do
some
speed
reading.
It's.
B
C
C
C
C
The
supreme
court
of
the
united
states
has
come
up
with
what
they
call
the
anti-commandeering
doctrine,
which
in
essence,
says
that
the
vet
federal
government
cannot
make
states
their
subdivisions
or
offices
comply
with
any
federal
programs.
Hundreds
of
cities
are
suing
the
fcc
on
this
very
principle.
C
Another
example
is
danville
california,
on
march
5th,
2019
a
large
number
of
citizens
of
danville
stood
up
and
spoke
against
verizon
and
the
town
council
listened.
The
danville
town
council
voted
4-2-1
to
deny
a
land
use
permit
for
verizon
below.
You
will
find
two
excerpts,
one
from
the
statements
of
fcc
commissioner
ajit
pai,
sorry
for
the
mispronunciation
dissenting
from
from
his
own
agency
by
overthrowing
state
jurisdiction,
the
supreme
court
agreed
with
him
and
the
fcc
lost
the
case.
C
Here's
an
excerpt
from
a
tenth
amendment
center
article
explaining
this
principle
in
greater
detail.
We
must
all
stop
spreading
the
false
rumor
that
states
and
cities
have
to
comply
with
fcc
rules
instead
start
spreading
the
world.
Sorry,
the
word
and
the
world
about
the
anti-commandeering,
sorry
anti-commandeering
doctrine
and
demand
that
the
city
council
make
eugene
a
5g
smart
meter
free
zone.
F
E
Hello
city,
council
members,
thank
you
for
hearing
me
week
after
week.
I
just
wanted
to
say
for
the
record
that
none
of
the
emf
people
there
were
about
eight
last
time.
None
of
them
can
make
it
this
night
this
evening.
So
just
like
public
records
knows
they
wanted
to
be
here,
but
those
kind
of
people
take
three
or
four
days
to
recuperate,
so
unfortunately
they
won't
be
here.
I
I
had
a
very
interesting
conversation
with
someone.
E
As
you
know,
ventura
county
now
has
put
a
one
and
a
half
thousand
foot
setback
on
their
residential
areas.
Camarillo
has
done
600
feet
and
a
friend
of
mine
has
a
business
inventor
and
she
said
to
me:
oh
that's
new.
I
didn't
know
about
that.
Maybe
my
husband
and
I
should
move
to
ventura
count,
adventurous
city
and
that's
just
when
I
first
spoke
to
you.
That
was
the
first
thing
I
said
all
health
issues
aside:
we're
worried
about
housing
prices,
just
like
sonoma
county.
E
The
ordinances
that
we've
been
asking
for
would
just
literally
be
about
three
lines
and
by
doing
that,
we
wouldn't
upset
the
telecom.
So
I
know,
as
a
city
council
we're
worried
about
being
sued
like
we
were
with
verizon,
so
we
wouldn't
bring
that
up
again
and
then
again,
we'd
we'd
be
making
the
fcc
happy
because
we'd
be
either
doing
the
ordinance
through
your.
We
just
demand
it.
Okay,
three
lines.
E
The
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
add
to
that
is
we
keep
talking
about
the
ninth
district
circa
court
again,
if
that
fails
and
the
the
fcc
fails
in
that,
and
they
have
already
one
out
of
one.
So
hopefully
it'll
be
three
out
of
three.
E
It's
again
another
issue
for
the
city,
because
people
like
this
who
are
forced
to
leave
like
those
emf,
people
that
sensitive
they're
gonna
come
back
and
sue
the
city
and
then
you're
up
again
for
damages
and
negligence.
So
not
only
do
we
have
a
lower
tax
bracket,
not
to
pull
from
we've
got
more
liabilities
on
the
city,
so
I
just
keep
saying
you
do
have
local
control
and
please
now
even
the
cities
here
in
ventura
county
are
moving
if
we
could
move
as
well.
E
That
would
be
great,
and
finally,
I
found
out
via
social
media
that
there
are
now
two
law
firms
that
are
taking
action
against
the
city
of
thousand
oaks,
and
this
was
exactly
what
I
asked.
We
don't
want
a
tidal
wave
coming.
Can
we
please
start
speaking
we've
been
asking
for
three
months,
we're
so
ready
to
come
and
talk
to
you
guys.
We
have,
I
mean
I'm
not
qualified,
but
they're,
much
more
qualified
people
that
would
like
to
talk.
Thank
you.
B
Krista,
followed
by
wanda
help
me
with
that
last
name.
H
H
H
H
This
was
specifically
written
to
ensure
that
there
is
no
overreach
of
the
government
on
the
state,
as
you've
been
saying,
you
have
in
effect
lost
all
of
your
authority
through
the
fcc
current.
Currently,
applications
for
new
and
for
new
installations
of
cell
towers
are
made
by
telecom
via
a
planning
commission
public
hearing.
H
However,
in
metro,
pcs
versus
san
francisco,
the
9th
circuit
court's
2005
decision
defined
the
need
for
a
wireless
carrier
to
prove
that
a
significant
gap
in
coverage
actually
exists
and
then
directs
the
carrier
to
use
the
least
intrusive
means
to
close
any
significant
gap.
Herein
lies
the
solution
to
your
problem,
because
you
can
make
the
cell
phone
company
prove
that
gap.
H
H
B
G
H
I
I
B
Wait
wait.
What
song
are
you
singing
what
you
won't
do
for
love
bye-bye.
G
Good
evening
city,
council
members,
mayor
last
time
I
spoke-
and
I
realized
that
I
forgot
to
provide
my
email,
which
is
sagebees
gmail.com,
and
I'm
repeating
my
offer
to
place
my
beehives
near
to
the
4g
towers,
to
prove
that
that
they
are
negatively
affecting
on
on
a
bee's
lives
and
brew
development
and
overall
health
of
the
hives.
And
it's
easy
because
you
know
number
one
bee
leaves
only
45
days
in
general
in
a
summer.
G
K
G
They
firm
explanations,
so
I'm
started
to
think
that
it's
a
4g
effect
yep
and
you
know
she
can
confirm,
but
she's
too
shy
to
show
up
and
talk
in
front
of
so
many
people
again.
My
my
offer
stands
firm.
G
C
C
None
of
us
are
allowed
to
smoke
here,
and
I
mentioned
this
because
I
think
that
radiation
wireless
radiation,
non-ionizing
radiation
is
a
very
similar
story.
The
fcc
has
outdated
studies,
I
mean
they
haven't,
studied
humans
much
at
home,
certainly
not
children
and
it
might
be
25.
30
years
before
we
find
out
the
effects
of
ionic
non-ionizing
radiation,
and
it's
just
the
way
things
go.
C
Science
and
technology
are
are
often
way
way
ahead
of
people's
beliefs.
In
fact,
the
chapter
I
co-authored
was,
I
forgot,
it's
been
so
long,
it
was.
It
was
oh
trends
in
public
beliefs,
attitudes
and
opinions
about
smoking,
so
that
was
back
in
the
80s
and
now
people
laugh.
If
we
said
secondhand
smoke
was
a
non-issue,
the
american
academy
of
pediatrics.
C
They
know
that
children's
skulls
are
thinner,
absorb
more
radiation.
I've,
unfortunately,
as
a
pathologist,
seeing
the
insides
of
children-
and
I
can
attest
that
actually
their
organs
are
much
smaller.
They
weigh
less
and
they're
very,
very
vulnerable
to
everything
from
from
drugs
to
radiation,
to
anything
in
the
environment.
That's
hurtful
and
the
american
academy
of
pediatrics
has
called
for
the
adoption
of
the
precautionary
principle
to
protect
children
and
pregnant
women
from
radiation
emitted
by
cell
phones
and
wireless
devices,
and
a
precautionary
principle
is
a
principle.
That's
very.
They
can
actually
become
law
in
europe.
C
C
B
C
C
C
If
we
thought
we
have
problems
with
the
fires,
then
why
would
we
allow
at
least
four
thousand
small
sales
towers
to
pop
up
everywhere
about
250
feet
in
front
of
our
homes,
when
it
has
been
proven
that
these
towers
are
easily
susceptible
to
fires?
Have
we
forgotten
so
quickly
now?
Did
you
know
that
cell
phone
manufacturers
have
issue
warnings
to
shareholders,
not
customers,
but
shareholders
that
they
may
eventually
be
held
liable
for
the
harm
they
have
a
cost
to
their
customers?
C
Now,
on
top
of
that,
also,
the
secondary
medic
insurance
have
told
the
wireless
companies
that
they
will
not
be.
They
will
not
be
providing
coverage
for
anyone
with
problems
coming
out
from
the
caused
by
the
technology
cell
phones.
In
the
towers,
we
need
to
write
a
protective
wireless
ordinance
that
will
be
in
compliance
with
the
fcc,
but
at
the
same
time,
will
be
the
aesthetic
standards
of
ordinance
to
ensure
that
the
city
isn't
hit
by
any
fires
or
sued
by
liability
of
breaking
80
ad.
C
Please
go
to
the
website
mystreetmychoice.com
and
sign
the
petition
against
the
installation
of
5g
cell
towers
in
front
of
your
house
plus.
There
is
lots
of
information
there
to
tell
you
about
the
scientifically
proven
health
effects
of
these
carcinogenic
towers,
and
now
I
just
wanted
to
show
you
a
little
device.
We
have
gone
by
butcher
and
reno
to
test
a
tower
that
is
there
and
right
now.
Oh,
it's
green.
C
So
we
are
safe
over
here
of
radiation,
but
when
it
turns
red
that
means
we're
being
exposed
to
microwave
radiation
and
if
the
person
who
invented
this
little
apparatus
is
dr
trebel
marshall,
and
he
has
gone
all
across
the
country,
not
only
across
the
country
but
across
the
world.
You
know
teaching
people
about
protecting
themselves
from
radiation
emitting
from
the
cell
towers.
Thank
you.
So
much.
B
We
have
one
more
card,
but
the
agenda
item
number
wasn't
listed,
it
is
for
angela
cordero
did
you
want
to
speak
on
this
topic?
5G
come
on
up
hello.
H
And
I'm
I'm
more
of
a
speak
from
the
heart,
so
I
don't
have
a
anything
written
down,
but
I
appreciate
each
and
every
one
of
you
and
everyone
that's
spoken
is
so
articulate
and
there's
so
much
to
talk
about
on
the
topic
of
5g.
H
I've
been
studying
it
for
three
years
and
I'm
going
to
get
a
little
emotional
because
I
moved
to
thousand
oaks
in
july
of
last
year
and
in
rapid
succession
we
had
borderline
and
we
had
the
wildfires
and
just
as
we're
coming
out
of
that,
I
find
out
that
we
may
be
getting
5g.
So.
H
I
have
a
small
daughter
and
I
was
told
that
when
you
become
a
mom,
you
find
inner
strength
that
you
don't
know
that
you
have
and
on
this
topic,
I'm
finding
my
inner
strength,
and
you
know
we
have
that
hashtag
t.o
strong
and
I
just
really
encourage
you
it's
hard
to
be
the
first,
it's
hard
to
be
the
first,
it's
hard
to
do
what's
right,
but
you
have
us
and
you
have
each
other
and
we
have
each
other
and
I'm
just
praying
for
all
of
us.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
B
L
On
that
sorry,
just
just
a
couple
very
very
brief.
I
know
we
have
a
long
night
ahead
of
us
comments.
One
of
the
speakers
mentioned
charity
karaoke
for
those
that
aren't
familiar
with
that
event.
It's
a
great
fundraising
event
and
I
encourage
everyone
to
take
a
look
and
and
consider
getting
involved.
L
L
The
reason
that
that
we
have
updated
our
ordinance
and
every
other
city
across
the
state
and
the
country
is
doing
so
is
because
of
actions
taken
by
the
fcc
in
february
of
this
year
that
changed
the
law
of
the
land,
and
so
the
ordinance
that
the
council
has
taken
into
effect
here
is
similar
to
those
taken
across
the
state
of
california
and
across
the
country
attempting
to
put
as
many
protections
in
place
as
they
can
within
the
confines
of
the
law.
L
I
want
to
encourage
everyone
here,
and
I
know
some
of
you
have
been
great
advocates
at
lobbying.
The
federal
government
and
our
our
senators
members
of
congress,
the
fcc
it
is
making
an
impact.
As
mayor
mccoy
mentioned,
he
sent
yet
another
letter,
the
account
the
city
has
been
fighting
against
these
types
of
usurpions
of
local
control
for
many
years
and
as
I've
said
in
previous
weeks,
it's
really
really
important
to
continue
to
keep
that
pressure
as
difficult
as
it
is
in
washington
dc.
L
They
are
the
ones
that
can
change
this
law
and
we
we
want
to
see
it
change
just
like
everyone.
I
just
want,
like
everyone
else
that
works
in
municipal
government
in
california,
so
we
have
a
section
on
our
website
that
has
all
that
contact
information.
It
has
a
lot
of
faqs
on
this
issue.
Teox.Org
wireless.
I
encourage
you
to
continue
to
take
a
look
at
that.
One
other
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
is:
at
the
previous
meeting.
We
had
folks
pointing
out
some
specific
areas
of
town
where
they
thought
they'd
seen
5g
installations.
L
Just
I
did
have
our
public
works.
Crews
go
around
and
take
a
look
at
those
areas,
each
of
those
those
spots,
especially
the
ones
on
canaan
road.
Those
are
all
gas
company,
smart
meters
that
have
been
installed
on
edison
poles,
so
that
is
not
telecommunications
technology
from
the
telecommunications
providers,
but
it
is
certainly
technology
that
is
providing
smart
metering
for
the
gas
company.
Today,
we've
still
received
no
applications
for
5g,
so
that's
tracy
yeah.
I'm.
M
Not
going
to
repeat
what
drew
said,
but
just
a
couple
of
follow-up
comments
for
those
who
were
here
last
week,
probably
will
hear
me
say
a
few
things
that
are
the
same
and
some
new
things.
First
of
all,
again
to
reiterate
the
law
that
regulates
rf
health
and
safety
concerns
does
not
come
from
the
fcc
regulations.
M
So,
yes,
there
are
legal
challenges
to
the
to
the
new
fcc
rules
regarding
small
cell
wireless
facilities,
but
they
do
not
touch
the
rf
issue
because
it's
completely
preempted
and
has
been
for
over
20
years.
The
city
is
a
member
of
the
legal
california.
Cities
is
part
of
the
legal
challenge
to
those
fcc
regulations,
but
even
if
we're
successful,
it
will
not
result
in
cities
being
able
to
regulate
wireless
facilities
based
on
health
and
safety
concerns
over
rf.
M
At
the
as
discussed
at
the
last
meeting.
With
respect
to
that
lawsuit,
there
is
just
recently
the
ninth
circuit
put
forth
a
briefing
schedule
for
the
parties
to
submit
their
legal
briefs
or
pleadings
their
arguments
on
the
case.
We
are
hopeful
that
we'll
have
a
decision
sometime
next
year
on
this
regulation.
M
Now
one
someone
mentioned
tonight
that
that
some
people
were
not
able
to
come
tonight
because
of
concerns
over
arf
emissions.
I
actually,
prior
to
the
meeting,
talked
to
our
city
clerk
asked
if
we,
if
or
and
my
staff,
if
we
had
received
any
communications
from
anyone
regarding
concerns
from
attending
tonight,
we
did
not
receive
any.
So
if
there
is
someone
who
does
have
a
concern,
I
encourage
you
to
call
the
city,
so
we
can
discuss
that.
Someone
else
mentioned
that
there's
two
law
firms
that
have
taken
action
against
the
city.
M
I'm
not
aware
of
any
lawsuits
that
have
been
filed
against
the
city.
We've
not
been
served
with
any
lawsuits,
so
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
accurate
or
not
one
there's
a
lot
of
suggestions.
Every
time
we've
talked
about
this
is,
you
know,
look
at
look
at
mill,
valley's
ordinance,
look
at
danville's
ordinance,
and
so
every
time
we
leave
my
staff,
we
go
home
and
we
look
at
other
cities
ordinance
to
see.
M
For
example,
it
might
say
that
a
small
cell
wireless
facility
can
be
no
closer
than
a
thousand
feet
from
a
residential
structure,
but
that
same
ordinance
also
says
that
this
requirement
does
not
apply
if
it
results
in
violating
federal
laws
or
if
the
wireless
provider
proves
that
it
needs
to
construct
a
facility
within
a
thousand
feet
in
order
to
provide
wireless
services,
it's
not
an
absolute
rule
and
it
can't
be
absolute
based
on
the
1996
federal
telecommunications
act.
I
do
encourage
you
to
read
the
actual
language
of
the
city's
ordinance.
M
M
It
directs
small
cell
wireless
facilities
to
commercial
and
industrial
locations,
it
designates
those
as
preferred
locations,
and
by
doing
that,
we
are
allowed
to
say
you
cannot
put
a
wireless
facility
in
a
non-preferred
location
unless
a
wireless
provider
proves
by
clear
and
convincing
evidence
that
that
is
the
only
place
it
can
go
by
writing
the
language
in
that
manner.
It
provides
the
city
ultimate
flexibility
to
put
the
burden
of
proof
on
the
wireless
provider
as
to
why
they
cannot
construct
their
facilities
in
commercial
and
industrial
locations.
M
Again,
I
encourage
you
to
read
the
actual
ordinance.
Oh
and
one
last
thing,
council
member
bill,
delapena
just
received
some
information
from
a
county
board
of
supervisor.
Regarding
ventura
county's
ordinance,
their
setback
requirement
is
only
50
feet.
B
Folks,
thanks
for
coming
out
thanks
for
sharing
we're
working
through
it
now
you'll
take
a
look.
The
letter
will
be
posted.
I
think
I
gave
it
to
one
person
and
I
don't
have
a
bunch
of
copies
of
it
was
just
put
out
today.
So
thank
you
for
sharing
with
us
and
all
your
hard
work,
we're
we're
just
with
you
as
and
we're
working
towards
it.
So
thank
you
that
takes
us
to
agenda.
My
agenda.
Number.
Seven
item
number
seven
consent
calendar.
B
B
Tonight
we
have
felicia
lieberman
assistant
city
attorney,
sharing
with
us
tim
hagel
chief
of
police,
and
as
we
get
ready
to
undertake
this,
I
I
wanted
to
say
that
the
article
I
read
today
was
accurate.
I
don't
know
that
the
headline
was,
but
I
was
thankful
for
the
article
itself.
It
shed
a
lot
of
light
on
it
and
I
think
tonight
the
citizens
will
be
relieved
to
hear
why
we're
doing
what
we're
doing
so.
Take
it
over
mayor.
C
If
I
could
just
quickly
open
the
public
hearing
and
state
that
we
do
have
five
individuals
that
are
here
to
speak
tonight,
they
will
have
five
minutes
and
the
yellow
light
will
display
when
they
have
one
minute
remaining.
B
Thank
you
for
making
me
look
so
professional.
I
appreciate
that,
madam
clerk,
all
right,
so
you
guys
take
over
share
with
us.
O
O
O
Current
regulations
prohibit
camping
on
public
property
and
private
property
open
to
the
public.
Current
regulations
also
prohibit
sitting
and
lying
on
certain
areas
of
public
property,
but
only
within
commercial
zones.
It
does
not
impose
these
regulations
on
other
areas
of
the
city,
such
as
residential
areas
or
industrial
areas,.
O
The
ninth
circuit
court
of
appeals
issued
a
decision
in
the
case
of
martin
versus
city
of
boise,
which
challenged
I'm
sorry,
which
changed
the
landscape
of
how
matters
relating
to
sleeping
in
public
could
be
handled
by
cities
in
boise.
Multiple
individuals
were
cited
for
camping
on
public
property
or
sleeping
in
public
buildings
or
places
in
violation
of
the
city's
ordinance.
O
O
O
O
O
O
Third,
it
restricts
sleeping
to
certain
hours
between
the
hours
of
10
pm
and
6
am
fourth.
It
prohibits
sleeping,
not
just
camping
in
public
space
based
on
significant
public
health
and
safety
concerns,
including
the
threat
of
wildfires,
protecting
ecologically
sensitive
habitats
and
other
wildlife
considerations,
and
finally,
it
strengthens
our
ability
to
remove
abandoned
property.
O
O
O
O
O
H
Good
evening,
mayor
and
members
of
the
city
council
good
evening,
the
city
at
city
council,
ad
hoc
committee
on
homelessness,
has
been
working
through
this
highly
complex
issue
of
homelessness.
For
over
a
year
in
october,
2018,
the
ad
hoc
committee
presented
a
comprehensive
report
to
the
full
city
council
that
outlined
the
committee's
areas
of
focus
and
recommendations.
H
Tonight's
actions
align
with
the
intent
of
two
specific
areas
of
focus
and
recommendations
from
that
report.
First,
responding
to
disruptions
of
the
enjoyment
and
usage
of
public
spaces
spaces
by
providing
safe
sanitary
and
accessible
public
spaces.
The
code
amendment
yes
complies
with
federal
law,
but
just
as
important.
It
strengthens
the
city's
ability
to
regulate,
camping
and
sleeping
on
public
property
and
in
public
spaces.
H
The
recommended
code
amendment
was
done
in
coordination
between
city
staff
and
the
police
department
before
bring
being
brought
forth
to
the
city
council
tonight
for
consideration,
and
it
was
also
shared
with
the
ad
hoc
committee.
It
gives
the
police
department
a
better
tool
for
enforcement
and
it
strengthens
the
city's
ability
to
remove
abandoned
property
more
swiftly.
H
One
important
reminder
for
context
is
that
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
has
a
relatively
small
homeless
population
for
a
city
our
size.
The
code
amendment,
which
is
one
of
many
actions
taken
by
the
city
council
to
address
homelessness,
is
another
tool
to
help
the
city
manage
and
respond
to
the
small
homeless
population.
We
currently
have
contrary
to
popular
popular
belief.
Many
of
the
homeless
individuals
in
thousand
oaks
have
roots
and
ties
to
this
community.
H
I
thought
it
was
important
to
remind
the
public
of
the
city's,
comprehensive
and
collaborative
efforts
to
respond
to
homelessness,
an
issue
that
no
city
is
immune
to.
I
encourage
the
public
to
visit
the
city's
website
to
learn
more
about
what
the
city
is
doing
in
regards
to
homelessness
and
the
website
is
t
oaks.org,
backslash
homelessness.
O
B
Before
we
go
to
the
council,
miss
noonan,
you
had
something
you
want
to
share.
M
Thank
you
mayor
mccoy
there's
been
a
lot
of
media
interest
on
this
item,
including
a
newspaper
article
that
pretty
accurately
describes
what
is
actually
before
the
city
council
tonight.
Unfortunately,
as
mentioned
by
our
mayor,
the
headline
for
that
article
was
misleading,
which
I
suspect
is
why
we
received
many
many
inquiries
from
people
in
the
community
today.
So
before
we
get
to
council
comments
or
council
questions
and
public
comments,
I
want
to
reiterate
and
make
a
few
things
clear
on
what
is
before
the
city
council
tonight
and
what
the
amendments
to
our
ordinance
does.
M
M
M
You
will
not
be
able
to
camp
on
any
public
property
in
the
city
and
finally,
it
reduces
the
time
period
from
7
to
72
hours,
the
city's
ability
to
clear
out
property
deemed
abandoned,
and
you
know
I'm
not
sure
if,
if
there's
going
to
be
any
questions
of
our
police
chief
hegel,
but
I
will
tell
you
that
that
is
one
of
the
number
one
calls
for
service
that
the
police
department
gets
is
is
over
the
over
the
the
property
that
is
left
on
certain
areas
of
public
space
around
the
city.
M
B
Thank
you,
miss
noonan
questions
for
the
council,
we're
going
to
begin
with
a
council
member.
Excuse
me
mayor
pro
tem
adam.
N
Yes,
thank
you
mayor,
thank
you,
miss
noonan
and
summed
it
up
quite
well.
I
think
there
was
a
story
in
the
star
today
and
I
think
the
content
of
the
story
was
fairly
accurate.
However,
the
headline
did
give
the
impression
that
somehow
or
another
this
city
was
encouraging
or
promoting
sleeping
in
public
places.
Nothing
could
be
further
from
the
truth.
The
city
has
a
homeless
committee.
N
That's
working
diligently
to
prevent
that
very
thing
from
happening:
we're
working
with
social
service
agencies
across
the
city,
whether
it's
lutheran
social
services,
the
new
harbor
house,
our
churches,
to
provide
sleeping
facilities
for
folks.
So
we're
by
no
means
are
we
promoting
this
kind
of
thing,
but
we
are
bound
by
this
boise
decision
to
comply,
because
it
it
found
that
it's
unconstitutional
to
criminalize
sleeping
in
a
public
place.
N
However,
we
that's
the
last
thing
we
want
here
in
thousand
oaks,
of
course,
but
for
the
most
part,
as
as
tracy
said,
most
of
our
ordinances
tonight
are
actually
being
strengthened
to
protect
public
property
and
private
property.
Our
open
spaces
and
I'd
like
to
talk
with
chief
hagel
for
just
a
moment
on
a
real
world
example
of
how
this
ordinance
is
giving
some
private
property
owners
some
options
that
they
didn't
have
before.
There's
a
known
problem
behind
a
cvs
pharmacy.
N
Here
in
thousand
oaks,
it's
become
a
gathering
spot
for
homeless
people,
I'm
not
sure
how
you'd
want
to
characterize
it,
but
chief
on
your
reading
of
this
ordinance.
Now
what
what
other
options
do?
Private
property
owners
that
you
know
own,
that
property
behind
cvs
have
that
they
didn't
have
before.
K
Yes,
council,
member
adam,
I
I
think
that
both
city
attorney
and
assistant
city
attorney
laid
it
out
in
really
good
terms.
This
allows
the
property
owners
civil
remedies,
whereas
before
that
was
constricted
so
by
having
allowing
by
changing
this
amendment,
which
hadn't
been
changed
in
both
the
campaign
and
the
lion
sitting,
amendments
for
20
and
10
years,
respectively
or
12
years
respectively.
K
Is
this
allows
a
civil
remedy?
Let's
say
for
the
situation
you're
talking
about
such
as
the
cvs
property
net.
Now
they
will
have
their
rights
back
to
them
to
allow
who
and
when
and
what
they
want
to
allow
on
their
property
and
they
will
be
able
to
just
like
you
could,
at
a
restaurant
or
anywhere
else,
the
right
to
refusal
of
allowing
people
to
sleep
and
or
camp
on
their
property
and
have
civil
remedies
going
to
court
and
get
a
restraining
order
against
a
person.
These
are
done
in
many
other
facets
of
society.
K
Shopping
centers
have
disruptive
patrons
that
they
actually
get
a
court
order.
That
says
this
patron's
not
allowed
in
a
shopping
center
and
then
law
enforcement.
The
thousands
police
department
will
be
called
to
escort
that
person
legally
off
of
the
property,
so
we're
we're
not
only
embracing
this
we're
excited
as
the
police
department,
because
this
really
fills
the
second
side
of
dealing
with
homelessness
and
indigent
folks
right,
you
have
a
social
services
side,
but
just
like
all
aspects
of
community,
you
have
to
have
the
enforcement
side
too.
So
we
believe
strongly.
K
This
gives
increased
rights
to
our
private
businesses
and
it
gives
us
extensive
tools
and
if
I
could
add
one
more
thing,
such
as
the
cvs
property,
when
someone
is
on
public
property
next
to
private
property.
Up
without
this
amendment,
they
have
a
right
to
leave
that
abandoned
property.
We
have
to
post
it
there
for
seven
days,
their
shopping
carts,
all
their
accoutrements
of
camping,
all
of
that
material
and
the
citizens
get
frustrated.
N
I'm
glad
to
hear
you
say
that
chief,
I
think
that
will
come
as
a
relief
to
the
citizens
of
thousand
oaks
and
especially
the
private
property
owners.
And
I
know
we
can
count
on
you
to
enforce
these
ordinances
because,
as
you
say,
there's
a
social
side
and
we're
certainly
aware
of
that.
We're
all
human
beings
and
we
want
the
best
for
people.
But
there's
an
enforcement
side
as
well-
and
I
know
you're
not
going
to
allow
tents
and
the
like
on
our
on
our
streets
and
we're
going
to
keep
things
nice
here
in
thousand
oaks.
N
B
Thank
you
mayor
pro
tem
adam
miss
lieberman.
I
I
too
want
to
concur
with
the
mayor
pro
tem
and
also
the
chief
great
presentation,
just
clear-cut,
easy
to
understand
so
thankful
for
it.
It's
going
to
bring
us
now
to
council
member
claudia
bill
de
la
pena,.
P
Before
I
arrived
for
the
council
meeting,
I
I
looked
at
next
door
and
just
one
headline
that
was
not
really
accurate
can
really
fan
the
flames
on
social
media.
It
is
just
really
unfortunate
how
so
many
people
don't
read
past
a
headline
or
the
first
sentence
of
a
post
and
is
immediately
then
react
to
that
headline
that
may
or
may
not
be
accurate.
So
to
have
this
presentation
here
tonight
is
really
really
helpful.
O
Well,
that
those
areas
are
still
public
property,
it
would
still
fall
under
our
ordinance
as
far
as
time
restrictions
certainly.
K
If
I
might
add
one
more
to
that,
particularly
schools-
and
this
is
very
important
to
understand-
is
that
all
of
our
schools
in
our
school
district
here
in
the
canao
valley
have
restricted
areas
under
the
education
code.
This
does
not
supersede
state
law
for
protecting
students
and
the
facilities
behind
those
restricted
areas.
So
what
we're
discussing
about
is
open
areas
such
as
parking
lots
and
those
that
are
not
particularly
sidewalk
areas
in
front
of
schools,
but
all
of
the
really
intrinsic
areas
of
the
school.
M
One
thing
I'll
also
add
to
this:
is
that
I'm
not
aware
of
any
city
in
the
county
or
any
agency
in
the
county
that
has
reconsidered
or
evaluated
their
camping
or
sleeping
ordinances,
post
boise.
I
would
anticipate
that
they
will
start
doing
that.
However,
so
whether
it's
you
know
the
other
public
agencies
in
the
city
or
their
other
cities
in
the
county
or
the
county
itself,
I
would
suspect
that
they
will
begin
evaluating
their
ordinances.
D
Thank
you
mayor.
I
have
some
really
some
points
of
clarification
that
I'd
like
to
explore
a
little
bit.
First
off.
I
think
I'm
I'm
happy
with
what
the
city
is
doing
as
far
as
reaching
out
and
trying
to
help
our
our
homeless
population.
We
have
our
our
dedicated
police
liaison
that
is
working
directly
with
our
homeless
population.
D
Just
at
our
last
meeting,
we
decided
to
entertain
hiring
a
full-time
liaison
here
at
the
city
to
work
with
the
non-profits
that
are
working
with
the
the
homeless,
we're
we're
making
steps
to
help
on
that
social
side,
and
I'm
glad
to
see
that
then
in
the
boise
case,
I
want
just
a
little
clarification.
D
I
think
sleeping
I
understand
was
now
a
right
of
people
has
recognized
that
this
is
something
that
people
need
to
to
live,
and
so
there's
no
way-
and
I
think
that
was
the
basis
of
that
decision-
is
that
correct.
O
D
M
That
is
correct,
right,
so
boise,
although
recognizing
the
fundamental
biological
right
for
to
sleep
and
also
also
recognizes,
and
also
acknowledged
in
the
opinion
that
cities
do
not
have
to
allow
that
sleeping
to
occur
whenever
and
wherever
throughout
public
property.
What
this
ordinance
does
is
it
identifies
locations
where
even
sleeping
that
biological
right
cannot
take
place,
such
as
open
space?
D
B
It
may
also
add,
on
top
of
councilmember
engler's
question
and
chief,
maybe
you
could
add
to
that,
for
example,
costco
land
open
space,
so.
O
O
So
members
of
the
public
have
access
to
those
areas,
but
they're
not
publicly
owned,
now
open
space,
the
lands
owned
by
costco
are
public
property
for
the
public
benefit,
but
we
are
excluding
that
entire
area
based
upon
the
reasons
we
discussed
tonight
from
being
able
to
even
sleep,
and
I
hope
that
answers
your
question.
Yeah.
D
K
And
I
think
I
can
give
a
little
analogy
with
that:
private
property
open
to
public
access
is
kind
of
a
better
way
to
understand
it,
so
think
about
girl
scouts
selling
girl
scout
cookies
in
front
of
a
store
they're
there,
because
of
it's
constitutionally
legal
for
them
to
be
there,
because
it's
public
property,
open
private
property
open
to
public
access.
Someone
expressing
their
first
amendment
right
of
speech
has
a
right
to
private
property
that
is
open
to
public
access.
K
Your
malls,
your
shopping,
centers,
those
areas,
not
somebody's
backyard,
not
somebody's
front
yard,
not
hoa
property,
not
those
type
of
properties.
It's
very.
The
courts
of
world
is
very
specific,
and
that
comes
to
us
a
lot
on
the
enforcement
side
where
people
are
panhandling
those
type
of
things
blocking
pedestrians.
That
is
not,
that
is
against
the
law
to
block
access.
While
it's
on
public
or
private
property
and
public
access,
you
can't
block
people's
access
so
again
kind
of
circling
back
around
by
the
city.
Making
this
amendment
taking
care
of
that
private
property.
K
D
Okay,
turning
my
attention
a
little
bit
to
the
open
space
that
we
have
our
cherished
open
space.
Currently
we
have
people
living
in
the
open
space
being
an
old
firefighter.
I
know
that
that's
a
hazard
in
terms
of
cooking
and
that
sort
of
thing
in
the
open
space
are
there
other
hazards
that
are
out
there
any
waste
that
we
have
to
worry
about.
O
K
And
and
council
member,
I
might
add,
over
our
last
three
years
of
doing
our
surveys
with
our
officers
out
in
the
field
twice
a
year,
we
survey
locate
homeless
persons
about
70
percent,
live
in
encampments
on
public
property
areas
that
you're
describing
open
space,
hills,
ravines
culverts
that
type
of
stuff
about
70
percent.
So
it's
really
important
that
we
have
that
ability
to
enforce
the
camping,
making
our
camping
ordinance
constitutionally
compliant
and
our
sleeping
ordinance,
and
so
it's
going
to
really
help
us.
K
D
And
I
have
another
question:
I
think
for
our
city
attorney,
some
of
the
some
of
the
encampments
are
in
watershed
protection.
District
properties.
Does
our
ordinance
cover
those
properties
as
well
right.
M
The
as
proposed
felicia,
you
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
as
proposed.
It
defines
public
spaces
as
any
publicly
owned
government-owned
property,
which
would
include
watershed
protection,
district
property,
obviously
before,
and
the
police
chief
can
also
correct
me
on
this.
It's
my
understanding
that
if,
if
there
is
a
situation
where
the
police
needs
to
move
someone
for
camping
or
an
encampment
on,
let's
say
caltrans
property,
we
work
with
caltrans
on
that.
We
don't
just
go
in
there
and
do
it.
We
actually
work
with
the
public
property
owner.
K
Yes,
that's
correct.
One
of
the
things
that
we
do
is
we'll
actually
give
notice.
It's
almost
like
a
private
person
giving
a
three-day
eviction
notice
we'll
go
in.
We
understand
the
rights
of
humans
and
we
will
go
in
with
our
officers
and
our
park
rangers
here
in
the
canal
valley
and
we'll
go
in
and
we'll
give
notice
and
actually
tell
them.
Okay,
we're
coming
back,
have
all
of
your
property
out
of
here,
and
that
is
part
of
the
seven
day
notice
process.
K
Three
days
is
reasonable
to
get
your
belongings
and
you
get
stuff
out
of
those
areas.
Those
public
areas.
D
Currently,
we
do
have
street
vendors
who
do
cooking
along
the
streets
and
make
their
living
selling
things
on
the
street.
Does
this
ordinance
affect
those
street
vendors
since
they
are
cooking
along
the
street?
Is
that
something
that
that
is
yeah?
No.
M
F
Jones
yeah.
Thank
you,
mr
bear
I'd
like
to
ask
the
chief.
You
know
we
pass
ordinances
and
do
all
sorts
of
things,
and
you
and
your
staff
have
to
enforce
them.
What
do
you
do
if
you
find
somebody
sleeping
in
a
prohibited
place?
According
to
the
ordinance
say
in
the
middle
of
the
night?
What
do
you?
What
do
you
physically
have
to
do.
K
Yes,
so
well,
let's
talk
about
current
practices
and
then
after
this
law
is
amended,
I
think
the
city
attorney
said
it
great
that
you
could
probably
go
check
numerous
cities
throughout
ventura
county
and
clearly
through
the
400
plus
cities
in
california
and
you'd,
find
many
of
them
have
laws
on
the
books.
That
say
you
can't
sit.
You
can't
sleep,
you
can't
camp
and
I
want
to
preface
that
by
making
this
change,
we
get
a
lot
of
calls
from
the
public
and
say
you're
not
enforcing
this
here
and
I'm
reading
the
law
online.
K
K
We
will
not
be
enforcing
from
someone
sleeping
on
public
property
as
long
as
they're,
not
camping,
so
again,
you're
talking
someone
with
a
sleeping
bag,
not
impeding
pedestrian
traffic,
not
posing
a
health
or
safety
violation
which
there
are
those
right
not
drinking
in
public,
not
using
drugs,
not
impeding
vehicles
or
cars
or
impinging
on
private
rights.
Then
those
persons
will
have
a
right
to
rest.
F
M
K
Absolutely
we
we
receive
both
our
office,
our
officers
contact
homeless
people
throughout
their
shifts
seven
days
a
week,
24
hours
a
day.
So
you
know
there's
this
misunderstanding,
that,
like
law
enforcement,
has
this
antagonistic
relationship
with
law
enforcement
or
with
homeless
persons,
our
200
plus
homeless
persons,
our
two
liaison
officers
could
recite
their
names.
They
deal
with
them
every
day
on
a
daily
basis,
so
they
get
a
lot
of
cooperation
from
them.
So
I
can't
actually
think
of
a.
K
F
I
was
thinking
more
from
the
standpoint
of
what
we're
putting
your
people
through
in
in
enforcing
this.
I
am
also
thinking
about
the
person
involved.
I
think
it's
very
sad
that
we
have
people
in
that
situation.
I
mean
seems
like
police
officers
are
supposed
to
have
every
talent
in
the
world
to
deal
with
all
these
real
world
situations,
and
I
sure
I'm
sure,
with
your
leadership.
They
have
a
good
attitude
to
do
it.
B
Thank
you.
Councilmember
councilmember,
bilalpina
mayor.
M
M
K
No,
I
think,
that's
it
and
remember.
Boise
and
other
areas
have
updated
their
laws
before
us
and
I
have
not
heard
any
reports
from
other
chiefs
of
police
of
major
altercations
with
folks.
It's
six
o'clock,
it's
time
to
get
up
and
move
everybody's
going
to
work.
It's
time
for
you
to
move
also.
K
Okay,
absolutely
so,
with
the
changes
and
the
policing
models
that
are
being
used
that
are
considered
best
practices,
a
private
property
owner
that
owns,
let's
say
a
mall
or
even
a
couple
businesses
in
any
one
of
our
business
districts.
K
They
can
are
free
with
this
assisting
us.
They
are
free
to
post
on
their
property
in
their
storefronts
that
the
business
is
closed.
So
business
is
closed
at
10
o'clock
at
night.
There
is
no
known
business
open
on
that
property
and
they
can
leave
a
letter
of
on
a
record
with
us
at
the
police
department
and
post
it,
and
some
businesses
are
already
working
with
us
on
this
on
a
trial
basis
post
in
their
front
of
their
window,
that
anybody
on
the
property.
It
is
private
property
and
there's
no
business
open.
N
Okay,
and
could
the
business
owner
also
go
to
court,
get
in
restraining
order
or
yes,.
N
K
Yes,
that's
exactly
it
so
once
the
let's
say:
a
person
refuses
to
leave
under
trespass
laws.
It
gets
really
complicated
in
california,
but
under
trespass
laws.
K
They
have
to
tell
the
police
officer
that
they
are
refusing
to
leave
it's
just
a
nuance
of
the
law,
so
the
officer
gets
there
and
they
say
that
they're
not
leaving
at
that
time.
They
could
be
cited
or
arrested,
or
let's
say
they
do
leave
they
comply
with
the
business
owner
and
the
business
owners
had
a
repetitive
problem
with
a
person
sleeping
on
their
property
and
violating
their
private
property
rights.
We
document
those
incidents.
We
provide
that
information
to
the
business
owner.
K
They
take
it
down
to
the
state
superior
court
in
ventura
and
they
file
for
a
civil
restraining
order
like
people
get.
If
you
had
an
employee
that
you
fired,
that's
not
allowed
on
your
property
anymore.
I
think
that's
a
good
representation
of
what
it
would
be
similar
to
they
get
the
order
and
that's
a
state
order
for
the
person
to
stay
away
from
that
property.
K
Those
do
get
issued,
and
now
that
is
completely
enforceable
by
any
peace
officer
any
time
of
day.
So
that
person
is
not
allowed
back
on
that
private
property
and
we
do
get
those,
and
this
increases-
that
ability
for
us
to
work
with
the
private
property
owner
and
help
help
them
get
through
the
civil
process
down
at
ventura.
All.
N
Right,
good
chief,
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
I
am
concerned
about
our
local
businesses
and
the
effect
that
this
has
and
I'm
concerned
about
the
patrons
to
the
local
businesses,
so
I'm
glad
to
see
that
you've
got
some
enforcement
powers
there.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
mayor
pro
tem
looks
like
our
media
left
and
they
don't
have
the
staying
power
of
all.
You
folks
well
done
we're
gonna,
oh
well.
I
meant
I
meant
the
video
side
of
it.
I
got
you
becca
come
on,
you
guys,
never
go
you're,
faithful
and
so
is
the
star
hey
mike
all
right.
We
are
now
going
to
public
comments
and
you
have
five
minutes
each,
but
you
don't
have
to
use
them
all.
Angeline
krolnick
you'll
be
first
and
then
siam
roberts
will
be
after
angeline.
B
H
H
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
commend
your
city
council
and
your
chief
of
police.
I
think
you're
doing
a
wonderful,
wonderful
job
and
I'm
taking
lots
of
notes,
because
I
want
to
bring
it
back
to
the
san
fernando
valley,
because
you're
our
icon,
I
need
to
bring
that
back
to
us
to
save
the
other
side
of
the
world.
You.
H
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
bring
to
your
attention
there's
a
youtube
video
out
there
called
seattle
is
dying
and
it's
how
the
homeless
are
taking
over
seattle,
and
it's
absolutely
appalling.
I
mean
it's
a
long
state
properties.
H
The
other
city
that
has
stepped
up
is
rhode
island.
They
have
a
intervention,
prevention,
counseling
and
jobs,
and
that's
what
we
need
the
city
of
los
angeles
thinks
we
can
just
get
housing
because
I
live
near
the
suburban
va.
I've
been
there
34
years,
we
were
so
pulling
up
now
with
north
hills,
west
and
it's
a
great
community.
I
brought
my
neighbor
out
because
we're
constantly
fighting,
we
feel
like
the
two
women
banned
on
our
street,
but
we
are
the
last
of
the
mohicans.
H
As
we
say,
because
a
third
of
an
acre
agriculture
we're
the
last
of
the
last-
and
I
read
in
your
paper
about
what
you're
doing
out
here
and
I
command
you
because
you
don't
want
to
get
out
of
hand
like
the
city
of
los
angeles,
I
mean
it's
appalling.
I
had
to
call
sacramento
caltrans
because
I
lived
near
the
405
freeway
to
have
them
post
on
three
streets
that
are
in
my
neighborhood,
no
trespassing,
because
without
it
being
posted,
we
couldn't
arrest.
H
I
had
to
file
with
devonshire
police
department
because
I'm
not
on
the
elite
side,
I'm
near
the
freeway,
but
I'm
not
chatsworth
granada
hills
reporter
ranch,
I'm
sorry,
but
I'm
going
to
be
point
plank
and
we
had
to
file
their
police
department.
No
trespassing,
because
I
had
a
homeless
man
come
into
my
property
on
october,
with
his
motorhome
no
plates,
he
sold
a
thousand
dollars
worth
of
water
department,
water
and
power.
Told
me
too
bad
make
me
200
a
week.
H
Every
month
payments
that's
on
top
of
our
electric
bill,
it's
a
lot
of
money
and
then
he
came
back
two
more
times.
City
says:
oh,
we'll
change
out!
Your
water
meter,
I
had
no
proof
just
except
for
my
bill
and
they
were
allowing
us-
and
I
don't
want
to
see
your
community
do
this,
and
I
want
to
take
all
your
information
to
bring
it
to
my
community
and
to
help
amend
it
because
it's
just
getting
out
of
hand
but
you're
smart,
you're,
nipping
it
in
the
bud
before
it
happens
again,
like
portland.
H
I'm
sorry,
seattle
had
said
100
of
the
homeless,
it's
drugs
and
we
see
at
the
valley
it's
methadone,
it's
heroin.
They
live
underneath
the
freeways
we
get
the
72
hours
that
you
give
as
soon
as
soon
as
I
have
sanitation,
clean,
and
I
take
pictures
of
this
they're
back
in
five
minutes.
My
husband
and
I
spend
four
hours
every
weekend
cleaning
our
streets.
We
go
behind
caltrans
side.
It
takes
me
eight
hours
to
clean
the
weeds.
H
It
took
me
six
months,
fighting
state
of
sacramento
sacramento
to
clean
six
foot
high
weeds
on
caltrans
side,
and
that
was
only
behind
my
house.
They
would
clean
and
it's
just
out
of
control-
and
I
commend
you
of
what
you're
doing
here.
Like
I
said,
I
want
to
take
the
information
back
to
my
community
and
save
it
and
thank
you,
you're,
wonderful,.
C
Thank
you.
Well,
I
haven't
really
had
much
of
a
chance
to
prepare
too
much,
but
I'm
really
upset
about
this.
I'm
concerned.
What's
going
to
happen
to
our
thousand
oaks,
I
have
a
couple
experiences
that
I
can
tell
you
just
from
my
nephew
used
to
live
in
seattle.
He
wanted
to
leave
move
out
of
california
and
move
to
a
different
city
where
it
was
cheaper
for
him
to
live
and
their
parks
were
so
full
of
needles
that
were
unused
or
used
used
needles
that
it
was
so
bad.
There
were
motorhomes
in
their
neighborhood.
C
The
parks
were
full
of
homeless,
alcoholic
drug
people.
They
couldn't
even
go
in
the
park,
so
they
moved.
They
moved
because
of
the
homeless,
and
they
moved
here
and
I've
always
been
very
concerned
that
this
could
happen
to
our
neighborhood
and
our
city
and
I'm
very
very
concerned
that
they'll
be
more
homeless
that'll
come
here
because
they're
going
to
find
out.
Oh
now,
they
can
sleep
between
the
hours
that
were
specified,
I'm
very
concerned
about,
what's
going
to
happen
in
our
neighborhoods,
we
have
a
homeless
lady
that
lives
in
our
park.
C
C
You
know
she
has
to
go
to
the
bathroom,
so
you
know
so
now
we
get
to
clean
it
up,
and
that
concerns
me.
So
this
is
just
one
lady.
What
about?
If
we
have
you
know
more,
you
know
five
or
six
or
seven
or
ten,
and
then
the
other
thing
that
concerns
me
about.
Oh
we're,
gonna
make
sure
that
we
monitor
the
time
frame.
You
know
that
they're
out
by
six.
C
Well,
what
happens
if
you
want
to
take
a
nap
at
two
they're,
just
taking
a
nap
in
front
of
a
business
at
two
they're,
just
taking
a
nap.
Is
that
not
okay,
it
kind
of
sounds
like
it's,
not
okay,
but
how
do
you
monitor
that?
C
How
did
the
police
monitor
the
I
mean
if
everything
was
so
nicely
clear-cut
and
easy
to
to
handle?
How
come
all
the
other?
You
got
seattle,
that's
out
of
control,
you
got,
I
mean,
I'm
concerned
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
keep
it
under
control,
and
I'm
also
concerned
that
we're
gonna
have
a
whole
lot
more
people
coming
to
thousand
oaks
and
it's
gonna
be
really
difficult
on
our
businesses
on
the
people
that
live
here.
B
B
B
Q
Hi,
my
name
is
saya
roberts
and
I'm
a
resident
here,
my
hou,
oh,
I
see
you
spelled
my
name
wrong.
That's
why
it.
Q
I
just
go
off
what
they
gave
me.
That's
my
house
backs
to
a
park
and
I'm
wondering
about
a
park
being
city
owned.
You
know
I
moved
here
from
woodland
hills
last
year
because
of
the
one
of
the
major
reasons
was
because
of
the
growing
drug
addict
transient
issue.
Q
We
had
people
in
under
the
freeways
at
the
parks,
leaving
needles
and
as
much
as
they
tried
to
enforce
the
inela.
You
can
have
a
tent,
no
tents,
pitched
after
whatever
time
they
never
came
down.
There
wasn't
enough
police
to
handle
it.
The
the
homeless
population
grew
out
of
control
there
and
they
wouldn't
leave.
Q
You
know
they
would
some
we'd
have
we
spent
so
much
money
on
sanitation,
cleaning
it
up
and
then
the
next
day
they
were
back
sometimes
even
a
couple
hours
later
I
mean
if
you
go,
look
under
topanga.
They
had
a
cleanup
today
and
it's
back
and
it
became
a
waste
of
resources,
and
I
also
wanted
to
ask
in
terms
of
no
shelters
being
available.
Does
that
include
people
who
refuse
to
go
to
shelter
because
I've
done
homeless
outreach
myself?
Q
I
participated
in
neighborhood
council
when
I
was
in
l.a
county
and
they
every
single
person
that
we
offered
helped
to
refused
every
single
one,
so
most
of
them
were
either
mentally
ill
or
on
drugs
or
didn't
wan
and
or
didn't
want
to
live
by
the
rules.
So
I'm
wondering
how
how
that's
gonna
come
into
fact
play
when
they're
allowed
to
sleep
in
a
public
space
if
there's
no
shelter
available
well,
what
if
they're
offered
shelter
and
they
refuse?
Q
Does
that
count
as
shelter
not
being
available
if
they're
an
addict
and
not
allowed
in
a
shelter?
How
are
we
going
to
control
at
a
park
even
if
they
leave
at
six?
Even
if
and
that's
a
big
if
they
leave
at
6
a.m
and
they
leave
behind
needles?
Where
are
they
going
to
go
to
the
bathroom?
The
bathrooms
get
locked
up
at
night.
Q
You
know
it's
a
huge
public
safety
issue
and
I
just
don't
want
to
see
it
grow
out
of
control
like
it
did
in
la
with
the
rvs
and
the
tents,
and
I
mean
give
them
an
inch
and
they're
going
to
take
a
mile.
I'm
telling
you
from
experience.
It
grew
out
of
control
and
I
don't
want
to
see
that
happen
here.
Otherwise
I
mean
I
don't
know
why
I
moved
here,
you
know
anyways,
that's
it.
B
Ms
roberts,
what
at
the
end
of
the
the
comments,
the
chief
will
answer
your
questions.
If
that's?
Okay,
if
you
want
to
stick
around
okay,
all
right,
nick
welcome.
R
Hi,
my
name
is
nick
pavich.
I've
been
a
resident
for
a
thousand
oaks
for
31
years.
I'm
against
this
homeless
population
we're
having,
but
I
think
you
need
to
take
it
one
step
further.
I
think
you
should
have
designated
areas
where
these
homeless
are
have
toilets,
have
trash
pickup,
where
they
can,
where
it's
easy
to
handle.
R
If
you
get
them
spread
out
from
any
park,
you
don't
know
what
they're
doing
at
the
park
and
where
they're
leaving
their
trash
or
where
they're
going
the
bathroom
and
that's
not
fair
to
them,
and
this
homeless
problem
right
now
is
going
to
get
worse
because
our
economy
is
great
now.
But
what
happens
when
it
goes
down?
There's
going
to
be
a
lot
more
people
homeless.
So
we
really.
R
We
really
need
to
help
these
people
because,
like
like,
she
was
mentioning
they're
they're
involved
with
drugs
and
it's
a
serious
problem,
and
I
mean
you
need
to
address
it.
You
know
we're
talking
about
it,
what
the
police
are
going
to
do
and
how
to
move
them,
but
they
should
have
an
area
where
they
go
to.
So
we
don't
our
kids,
don't
go
there
for
young
grandkids
or
children
going
to
these
parks.
You
don't
know
what
they're
going
to
find
there
and
it's
not
fair,
it's
not
fair
to
them.
R
So
we
really
need
to
take
care
of
this
issue.
You
guys
got
to
really
get
down
to
it
and
address
it
further.
I
know
you're
trying
to
protect
us
protect
yourself
against
lawsuits,
but
even
so
we
need
to
get
further
into
it.
This,
for
instance,
the
police.
You
know
you
have
to
have.
If
somebody
comes
and
solicits
your
house,
they
have
to
have
a
permit
to
solicit
and
there's
a
lot
of
people
out
there
soliciting,
but
you
how
you're
going
to
how
you're
going
to
keep
control
of
how
many
homeless
people
are
out
there.
R
R
I
mean
you
need
to
take
more
of
an
active
pardon
of
this
thing
other
than
this
saying
go
to
sleep
in
any
public
facility,
because
that
doesn't
work.
I
mean
you
need
to
have
control
over
this
thing.
It's
out.
It's
going
to
get
out
of
control
like
you
can
see
it
la
is
having
a
major
problem,
and
you
don't
want
that
to
happen
here.
I
know
you
don't
want
to
bring
more
people
in
here,
but
it
could
it's
going
to
happen.
B
I
G
B
B
G
J
Folks,
what
are
we
doing?
I
mean
really.
What
are
we
doing?
It's
it's
out
of
control.
Have
you
been
to
the
valley
lately
mayor,
I'm
doing
a
project
in
north
hollywood.
It's
a
war
zone.
Okay!
It
took
me
50
minutes
to
get
from
the
405
to
woodman
avenue,
down
van
owen,
avenue,
they're
panhandling
they're
sleeping
underneath
the
overpasses
they're
camping
out.
They
leave
their
shopping
carts
everywhere
when
they
get
up
in
the
morning
and
decide
that
it's
time
to
get
up
whenever
it
is
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
wake
them
up,
would.
B
J
This
is
not
a
laughing
matter,
and
I've
watched
you
and
her
laugh
four
times
tonight.
What
are
you
laughing
about?
This
is
serious
stuff,
mayor,
okay,
you're
about
to
throw
our
city
into
the
dumpster
and
I'm
not
happy
about
it
and
I'm
sure
a
lot
of
people
aren't
happy
about
it.
I'm
a
compassionate
person,
as
far
as
I
can
be,
but
when
people
come
in
and
infringe
on
what
I've
tried
to
build
my
entire
life,
I
came
from
the
projects
of
paterson
new
jersey.
J
You
ever
been
to
paterson
new
jersey,
mayor
long
way
from
paterson
new
jersey
to
my
little
castle
in
thousand
oaks.
California-
and
I
live
on
columbia,
road,
little
1800
square
foot,
house,
okay,
I
am
not
going
to
stand
by
and
watch
thousand
oaks
do
what
the
city
of
la
and
the
whole
entire
state
of
california
has
done
because
of
the
ninth
circuit
court,
okay,
which
we
all
know
is
out
of
control
there
you
go.
What
are
you
grinning
again
about?
You
got
that
smirk
on
your
face,
mr
mayor.
What's
that
smirk
about.
J
Asking
you
what
the
smirk
is
about
on
your
face.
I
can't
comment:
keep
going
okay,
so
my
point
is:
do
not
let
thousand
oaks
become
like
the
city
of
l.a,
the
san
fernando
valley,
okay
and
I've
watched
it
happen
and
it's
increased
I've
been
here
since
99,
but
it's
increased
drastically
over
the
last
seven
years
and
the
fact
that
okay,
the
ninth
circuit
court,
first
amendment
whatever
it
is
second
amendment
whatever
it
is,
and
these
guys
hands
are
handcuffed
and,
and
everybody
keeps
implementing
that.
Well,
we
can't
do
this.
We
can't
do
that.
J
Well,
you
know
what
I
used
to
watch.
The
cops
pick
up.
The
panhandlers
at
the
101
going
north
in
the
morning
put
him
in
the
car.
I'd
go
up
the
project
and
ventura
they'd
drop
them
off
at
rose
avenue.
You
know,
they'd
drop
them
off
at
mcdonald's
or
carl's
jr.
Whatever
turn
around
and
come
back
to
thousands.
J
B
J
B
All
right,
thank
you,
everybody
for
your
public
comments.
I
know
it's
a
passionate
issue,
so
we're
going
to
go
to
ms
noonan
she'll
answer
some
of
your
questions
and
then
we'll
have
chief
hagel
share
as
well.
M
Thank
you
mayor
mccoy,
a
couple
of
things
to
just
clarify
here.
The
boise
case
applies
to
every
state
in
every
every
city
in
nine
states,
california,
arizona,
hawaii,
nevada,
oregon,
washington,
alaska,.
O
M
Alaska,
this
case
applies
to
all
of
those
cities,
so
as
it
stands
today
for
any
city
in
those
nine
states
who
have
not
amended
their
camping
or
sleeping
ordinance
pursuant
to
boise,
they
likely
will
not
be
able
to
enforce
it
and,
in
fact
it's
my
understanding
that
most
cities
are
not
enforcing
their
camping
or
sleeping
ordinance
because
of
the
boise
case,
regardless
of
what
it
says
on
the
books,
they're,
not
enforcing
it.
M
K
M
271
homeless
people,
so
what
the
city
has
done
is
they
prioritize?
It's
actually
one
of
the
the
goals.
The
number
one
number
one
top
10
priority
in
the
city
to
address
homelessness
issues,
because
we
recognize
the
quality
of
life
that
our
residents
demand.
So
some
of
the
things
we've
done
is
we've
created
an
ad
hoc
homelessness
committee.
M
That's
a
council
member
bill,
dele,
pena
and
council
and
mayor
mccoy
are
a
part
of
we
meet
regularly
with
non-profit
partners
to
try
to
address
the
social
services
aspects
of
homelessness.
What
this
ordinance
does
it
actually
strengthens
our
ability
to
regulate
the
sleeping
and
camping
in
the
city.
There's
been
a
lot
of
comparisons
tonight
with
respect
to
los
angeles.
M
M
Question
that
was
asked
is
what
happens
if
a
person
says
I
don't
want
to
go
to
a
shelter.
Well,
then,
by
definition,
they
don't
qualify
for
the
protected
right
to
sleep,
because
in
order
to
sleep
on
public
property
they
have
there
has
to
be
no
reasonable
place
for
them
to
go.
I
think
that
our
police
chief
also
has
some
additional
comments
and
follow-up.
K
Yes,
I
do
I'll
start
with
the
second
question
for
a
homeless
person
sleeping
in
the
park
for
the
person
that
had
that
question.
Talking
about
a
specific
homeless
person
in
their
neighborhood,
we
have
two
full-time
officers
that
deal
with
vulnerable
persons,
homeless,
populations
seven
days
a
week,
eight
hours
12
hours
a
day.
They
deal
with
them,
I'm
not
joking.
When
I
could
tell
you
that
these
two
officers
almost
could
probably
recite
the
names
of
all
271
persons,
that's
how
much
they
deal
with
them.
K
If
you
will
contact
me,
leave
the
name
of
the
park
that
you
were
talking
about,
that
there's
a
homeless
person
there
I'll
get
those
officers
out
there
tomorrow,
we'll
make
contact,
offer
up
our
services,
see
what
we
can
do
to
both
help
them
out
and
the
impacts
that
they
have
on
your
community
there
for
the
next.
The
next
one
was
a
perfect
example
of
the
gal
that
was
here
from
los
angeles
talks
about
the
issue
with
the
caltrans
property.
K
K
K
We
don't
have
that
probable
cause
that
reason
to
go
up
to
the
person
and
let's
say
it
goes
south
and
all
of
a
sudden
there's
a
fight
and
the
officer
is
in
contact
and
the
fight's
on
the
court's
gonna
say
we
get
it.
You
shouldn't
fight
with
the
police
officer
officer.
Why
were
you
talking
to
the
person.
K
K
The
next
one
was
for
the
first
speaker,
okay,
the
next
one
was
about
shelters
available,
and
the
question
was:
if
the
person
refuses
to
go
to
the
shelter,
do
they
have
to
go?
The
answer
is
yes,
they
have
to
go
now.
There's
caveats
with
everything
right
everything
starts
with
yes
and
then
here's
the
caveats,
the
shelter
has
to
be
open,
has
to
be
available
and
a
reasonable
distance,
and
it
would
take
a
long
time
here
to
explain
all
the
minutiae
of
that.
K
I'm
happy
to
have
sidebars
outside
on
that,
but
you
cannot
expect
a
person
in
thousand
oaks
at
you
know
nine
o'clock
at
night
that
says
I'm
not
going
to
go
to
the
shelter
and
the
only
shelter
open
is
in
ventura.
The
courts
have
held
that
the
shelter
has
to
be
a
reasonable
amount
of
distance
for
that
person
to
walk
and
get
to
or
to
take
public
transportation.
K
So
you
that
you
have
to
have
a
shelter
open
in
your
community
before
you
can
enforce
that.
So
the
question
is:
can
you
enforce?
If
someone
refuses
to
go
to
the
shelter?
Yes,
we
can
and
we
have
shelters
in
the
canal
valley
that
are
open
through
the
winter
months
from
december
through
april.
If
the
person
refuses
to
go
to
the
shelter,
then
they
can
be
cited
or
arrested
for
the
violation,
the
other.
K
The
other
question
by
the
gentleman
was
about
sleeping
in
vans
homeless
in
cars,
and
such
this
ordinance
applies
to
sleeping
in
public
places
with
accoutrements
such
as
sleeping
bags,
blankets
and
such
and
camping
camping,
defined
such
as
intense
this.
This
ordinance
is
not
an
ordinance
that
is
designed
about
persons
sleeping
in
cars.
So
that's
really
important.
Now
the
whole
topic
of
people
sleeping
in
cars,
which
I
don't
know
the
state
wide
average
but
is-
is
somewhere
in
the
20
percent
range
for
homeless,
for
people
sleeping
in
cars
is
not
affected
by
this
law
right
here.
K
So
that's
really
important
and
then
the
final
question
was
what
is
the
fine
and
what's
the
legal
application
of
this
law?
Well,
it's
a
misdemeanor
and
if
you're
violating
this
law,
now
that
it's
legal,
if
this
gets
approved
by
the
council
and
is
legal,
then
we
actually
have
a
right
to
issue
a
citation
or
physically
arrest
the
person
either
one
of
those
we're
talking
arrest
book
in
a
jail
or
issue
them
a
citation
and
that's
up
to
the
discretion
of
the
officer.
H
This
system
allows
participating
agencies
to
receive
referrals
to
help
those
persons
experiencing
homelessness
needed
to
move
them
in
and
out
of
a
state
of
homelessness
as
quickly
as
possible.
So,
instead
of
jumping
around
from
service
provider
to
service
provider,
there's
one
point
of
entry
so
that
they
have
access
to
services
and
programs
that
are
needed.
H
Just
last
year
we
had
a
local
agency
that
was
able
to
house
66
persons
as
a
result
of
utilizing
this
system
and
then,
lastly,
I'll
just
close
with
that
the
vulnerable
population
officers
that
chief
hagel
mentioned
they
are,
they
actually
work
in
conjunction
with
these
service
providers.
So
they're
the
social
service
providers
are
out
in
the
field
with
the
police
officers.
So
it's
not
only.
B
Council
discussion
council
member
bill
de
la
pena
thank.
P
M
K
Yes
and
I'll
piggyback
on
that
two
different
points,
one
is
and
thank
you
for
that
question,
because
you
just
made
me
realize
what
I
should
a
real
important
point
to
clarify.
This
does
not
allow
someone
to
sleep
in
their
car
on
private
property,
open
to
public
access,
so
our
malls,
our
shopping
centers,
our
business
centers
again
by
allowing
us
the
authority
we're
giving
those
private
properties
greater
rights
to
say
no
sleeping
in
your
vehicles
on
our
property.
Also,
so
that's
an
important
point
that
you
just
brought
up
about
cars.
K
Okay,
so
I
was
speaking
of
private
property.
Now
we're
talking
public
property
and
sleeping
in
cars
has
fallen.
K
Trying
to
phrase
this
correctly
has
fallen
under
the
ninth
circuit
court
and
local
corrections.
State
of
california
decisions,
particularly
in
the
los
angeles
basin
area
cases
in
santa
monica
and
los
angeles,
venice
area
about
people
sleeping
inside
of
their
cars
and
so
ordinance.
Local
ordinances
over
the
last
two
years
have
been
up
in
the
air
about
persons
sleeping
in
cars.
K
M
It
comes
from
the
city
of
los
angeles,
who
adopted
an
ordinance
to
prohibit
sleeping
in
cars.
The
court
found
and
felicia.
You
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
because
I
know
you
read
the
case.
The
court
concluded
that
the
way
that
the
sleeping
in
cars
ordinance
was
drafted
was
overly
broad
because
it
did
not
distinguish
between
living
in
the
car,
with
various
personal
property
versus
the
act
of
sleeping
in
the
car.
P
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
I
also
wanted
to
mention
that
had
thousand
oaks,
a
homeless,
shelter,
a
real
homeless,
shelter,
those
people
sleeping
in
public
spaces
overnight
would
be
sent
over
there,
but
thousand
oaks
does
not
have
a
homeless
shelter,
because
so
many
people
don't
want
a
homeless
shelter
in
this
town.
N
N
I
see
what's
happening
in
seattle
and
santa
monica
and
los
angeles,
I
own
a
condominium
in
santa
barbara
that
I
just
bought
recently.
I
don't
know
how
many
of
you
been
to
state
street
in
santa
barbara
lately,
but
it's
out
of
control
there
and
it's
a
beautiful
city,
that's
being
marred
by
this
problem.
N
And
it's
not
going
to
happen
here
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
it's
not
going
to
happen
here.
You
know,
there's
a
social
side
to
it
and
I
get
that.
But
homelessness
is
a
big
concept
that
doesn't
necessarily
include
vagrancy
and
indigence
and
the
type
of
people
that
are
not
homeless
per
se
because
of
some
social
reason.
N
Yes,
we
have
lutheran
social
services.
Yes,
we
have
churches
and
yes,
we're
going
to
try
to
deal
with
them
on
the
social
side,
but
the
enforcement
side
is
very
important
and
that's
what
we're
going
to
try
to
do
tonight.
Yes,
we
have
to
comply
with
this
boise
law
by
some
judge,
who
decided
to
do
a
little
social
engineering
that
I
don't
particularly
agree
with,
but
the
laws
of
law,
but
we're
going
to
take,
take
that
as
a
plus
and
strengthen
the
laws
that
we
have,
because
I
don't
want
to
see
tents
on
our
sidewalks.
N
N
So
I
I
guess,
since
I
have
the
mic,
I
I'll
make
the
motion
to
approve
this
municipal
code
amendment
and
I'm
going
to
rely
on
chief
hagel,
because
I
know
he
believes
in
the
enforcement
side
of
this
as
well
to
keep
this
city
in
order
and
to
prevent
what's
happening
in
other
cities
happening
to
our
beautiful
town,
and
I
mean
it
so
I'll
make
that
motion.
B
Thank
you
mayor
pro
tem
council
member
bill
de
la
pena.
P
Thank
you
mayor
mccoy.
I
of
course
will
join
in
agreement
to
the
motion
and
wholeheartedly
agree
with
what
mayor
pro
tem
al
adams
said.
I
haven't
lived
here
in
thousand
oaks,
quite
as
long
as
as
you
have
only
24
years,
but
nonetheless
it
is
my
home
and
there
is
no
way
that
thousand
oaks
would
look
like
seattle,
los
angeles
san
francisco.
Seattle
is
a
city
of
3.8
million
people.
P
San
francisco,
800
000,
los
angeles,
4
million
thousand
oaks
has
130
000
and
the
reason
our
homeless
population
has
not
grown
as
much
as
in
other
areas
is
because
we
have
a
top-notch
police
department
where
two
police
officers
are
actual
social
workers.
Basically
they
have,
they
are
social
workers
helping
the
homeless.
P
The
churches
take
care
of
food
dinner,
breakfast
lunch
and
really
our
community
comes
together
to
help
the
homeless
get
back
on
their
feet.
The
majority
of
homeless
in
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
are
from
thousand
oaks.
They
have
fallen
on
hard
times,
they're
mentally
ill.
They
have
become
addicted
to
drugs
because
of
the
opioid
crisis.
P
They
are
from
thousand
oaks
19,
probably
98
percent
have,
as
the
homeless
experts
have
told
us,
are
from
thousand
oaks
and
because
they
are
homegrown,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
they
get
back
on
their
feet.
P
Mayor
mccoy
and
I
are
still
working
on
exactly
how
to
make
that
happen,
but
we
have
to
find
a
solution
or
a
to
be
able
to
manage
this,
but
we
can't
do
it
if
our
community
doesn't
understand
the
root
of
the
homeless
problem.
So
tonight
we're
helping
law
enforcement
fix
a
problem,
a
long-standing
problem
and
in
chief
hagel
we
have
the
best
police
chief.
Anyone
could
wish
for.
B
Thank
you,
councilmember
mayor
pro
tem.
Did
you
have
another
question
or
was
your
you
just
well?
I
just
wanted
mr
corbett
left
and
I
could
answer
his
question
now.
Yes,
I've
I've
been
to
the
valley.
I've
also
in
the
last
30
days
been
to
the
tenderloin
district
in
san
francisco
and
I've
also
been
to
skid
row.
B
I
visited
just
the
worst
of
the
worst
and
so,
if
you
wonder,
if
I
have
my
mind
wrapped
around
it,
I
do
if
you
think
this
is
something
that
we
want
in
our
city
and
you
think
that
that's
something
I
want
you
don't
understand,
you
don't
know
me
and
you
don't
know
the
council
we're
working
diligently
and
I
appreciated
the
article
on
the
star.
I
thought
it
was
very
accurate.
I
did
not
like
the
headline
it.
It
created
a
firestorm
on
social
media
and
folks
we're
all
citizens
here.
B
My
life
has
been
involved
in
this
completely
and
so
we're
working
diligently,
we've
put
countless
hours
in
we've,
looked
at
the
expanse
of
it
and
I'm
sure
everybody
thinks
they've
got
a
solution
to
it,
but
we're
dealing
with
every
aspect
of
legality
that
we're
trying
to
understand
as
a
city
and
be
proactive
in
addressing
what
is
an
ever-increasing
problem
in
the
state
and
their
desire,
plus
the
federals
to
usurp
our
local
authority
and
we're
doing
our
best
to
fight
it.
And
so
that's
why
we've
come
up
with
this.
B
I
know
it's
a
passionate
issue.
I
don't
think
mr
corbett
was
angry
with
me.
He's
just
upset
about
the
issue
and
I
feel
the
same
way
about
all
of
you.
I
appreciate
you
coming
out
here.
I
know
your
heart
in
relation
to
this
to
the
best
of
my
ability,
so
thank
you
for
taking
the
time.
This
is
what
local
government's
all
about,
and
I
just
want
to
commend
you
all
for
coming
out
tonight,
and
I
thank
you
with
that.
Oh
thank
you.
F
B
Thank
you
councilmember,
madam
clerk,
will
you
I
guess
we
need
a
vote.
We
put
the
vote
together.
We
have
a
motion.
B
A
A
A
A
B
S
Thank
you
and
and
good
evening,
mr
mayor
members
of
the
city
council
tonight
is
the
second
discussion
of
a
pre-screening
request
for
property
at
3801
maurice
drive,
the
the
request,
as
you
may
recall,
involves
three
basic
components.
One
is
a
request
to
allocate
50
units
of
city-wide
residential
capacity
under
the
city's
growth
control
measure
e
to
the
site.
S
A
second
is
to
initiate
a
general
plan,
amendment
to
change
the
land
use
for
the
subject,
property
from
commercial
to
high
density,
residential
and
then
finally,
to
allow
concurrent
processing
of
the
entitlements
and
legislative
requests
such
as
zoning
and
a
general
plan
amendment
a
property
I
think,
you've
all
been
there.
It
is
on
the
west
side
of
reno
road
immediately
north
of
maurice,
as
you
can
see
here
in
the
southwest
portion
of
the
city,
basically
bracketed
by
kimber
drive
to
the
north
and
lynn
road
on
the
south.
S
In
terms
of
background,
the
previous
review
that
you
heard
on
this
property
or
this
project
was
back
in
february
and
as
again,
you
may
recall
that
that
evening
you
chose
to
continue
the
action
on
the
item
until
the
applicant
could
provide
additional
outreach
to
neighboring
residents,
and
since
that
time
the
applicant
has
conducted
four
outreach
meetings
with
three
nearby
homeowners
associations
and
I'm
sure
they
will
talk
about
that
in
more
detail
when
they
speak
tonight.
But
there's
also
a
summary
of
the
outreach
in
your
packet
tonight
as
well.
S
So,
just
again
to
to
reiterate,
I
think
it's
very
important
to
recognize
that,
where
we're,
where
we're
at
tonight
is
again
what
we
call
pre-screening.
This
is
for
properties
that
are
not
entitled
to
the
residential
density
that
they
are
requesting.
In
this
case,
it's
not
residential
at
all,
it's
commercial.
So
the
the
request
has
to
go
before
you
and
the
result
potentially
is
to
take
units
out
of
the
city-wide
measury
pool
and
apply
them
to
this
property.
S
S
If
you
were
to
allow
it
to
go
through
the
process,
it
would
proceed
through
these
additional
five
steps
that
are
outline
outlined
on
this
slide.
The
next
step
would
be
a
pre-application
review.
That's
a
deep
dive
into
the
technical
aspects
of
the
project,
with
multiple
departments
and
agencies,
including
fire
and
police
that
often
results
in
the
project
being
refined,
and
then
that
is
the
subject
of
the
formal
application.
S
As
shown
here
once
that
formal
application
is
received
by
the
city,
then
we
conduct
an
environmental
analysis
of
the
project.
When
I
say
we,
that's
a
staff
coordinating
an
outside
consultant
to
do
it
under
our
direction
and
then
often
that
may
result
in
a
further
refinement
or
change
to
the
project
before
it
gets
to
planning
commission
and
then,
of
course,
planning
commission
can
modify
the
project
further
before
it
comes
back
all
the
way
to
you
so
we're
at
the
very
first
step
in
this
process
a
lot
of
room
here
for
the
project.
S
S
S
So
now
we
begin
to
talk
about
the
project
design,
and
this
is
the
same
design
that
you
saw
at
the
first
pre-screen.
The
applicant
has
not
changed
the
design
since
then,
and
so
again,
at
the
risk
of
repeating
myself
a
bit.
It
has
been
a
few
months
but
recall
that
here
we're
looking
basically
west
is
to
the
north.
Here
this
is
reno
and
maurice-
and
this
is
the
albertsons
market-
so
what's
being
proposed-
is
an
apartment
building
right
here
that
would
contain
37
units
adjacent
to
the
albertsons,
and
then
these
four
buildings
are
all
condominiums.
S
S
The
design
concept,
in
addition
to
what
I
just
mentioned,
contains
an
underground
parking
level
which
would
access
here
off
this
shared
driveway,
which
also
provides
access
to
the
back
of
the
center
with
underground
parking
here
and
then
surface
parking
elsewhere
here
here
and
then,
of
course,
parking
underneath
each
one
of
the
condominiums
the
design
concept.
Right
now
again,
conceptually
calls
for
a
mix
of
two
and
three
story:
buildings
with
two-story
buildings
being
here
on
the
east
side.
S
Next
to
reno
road
building
d,
as
shown
in
this
concept,
building
c
is
a
mix
of
two
stories
on
the
east,
and
then
the
westerly
portion
of
building
c
is
three
stories.
Buildings
b
and
b
are
both
three
stories,
as
is
the
apartment
building
in
the
back
building
a
as
you
can
see,
there
are
common
recreational
amenities
proposed
a
pool
and
spa
complex
here
in
a
play
area
over
next
to
reno
road.
S
When
we
look
at
requests
like
this,
we
look
at
four
fundamental
areas.
One
is
the
suitability
of
the
site
for
for
the
proposed
use
and
density
segments,
design,
quality
provision
of
arena
units
that
stands
for
regional
housing
needs
allocation,
and
that's
basically,
a
state
mandate
I'll
talk
about
in
a
moment
and
then
community
benefits.
What
does
the
project
bring
to
the
city
above
and
beyond
the
normal
provision
of
housing
in
this
case,
so
in
terms
of
suitability
of
the
site?
S
The
primary
points
I
wanted
to
make
here.
First
of
all,
when
I
look
at
the
property,
it
seems
to
me
that
residential
is
a
more
appropriate
use
for
that
site
than
commercial
as
it
is
today.
There's
a
residential
on
three
sides.
This
area
in
terms
of
compatibility
with
the
homes
across
the
street
opposite
the
property
on
maurice
drive,
it
would
seem
to
be
a
better
fit
than
a
commercial
use
in
terms
of
of
actual
long-term
land
use.
S
It's,
as
I
think
everybody
recognizes
here
tonight,
is
within
walking
distance,
obviously
to
commercial,
but
also
to
parks,
public
open
space
to
the
south
and
to
the
east
and
even
to
bus
stops
in
the
area.
I
mean
it
would
add
another
element
to
the
amount
of
housing
in
the
area
and
to
the
variety
of
housing
by
injecting
a
a
small
apartment
option
for
residents
in
the
area
as
well
as
condominiums
it.
S
S
Yes,
so
there's
a
tr,
a
memo
from
our
public
works
department
in
your
packet
tonight,
staff
has
conducted
an
initial
assessment
of
traffic,
and
the
traffic
from
a
commercial
use
would
be
significantly
higher
than
residential
use.
The
residential
use
would
be
roughly
30
percent
of
the
commercial
use
and
I'm
referring
to
attachment
number
eight
in
your
packet
there's
a
table
that
looks
at
commercial
use,
residential
use
and
the
net
change
between
the
two.
So
I'm
looking
at
table
three
and
attachment
eight
to
as
a
source
for
those
numbers.
S
In
terms
of
the
site
plan,
the
the
layout
is
consistent
with
our
residential
plan
development
space
allocation
formula.
We
call
it,
we
look
at
building
footprint,
paved
area
and
open
space,
and
it's
consistent
with
that
that
formula,
as
I
mentioned,
there
are
common
recreational
areas
and
finally,
the
parking
supply
as
proposed
is
significantly
higher
than
what
is
required.
S
S
So
now
we
are
looking
at
a
cross
section
to
show
the
relationship
between
the
apartment
building
to
the
albertson,
so
we're
actually
looking
west
here
as
if
we
were
on
the
the
east
side
of
reno
road
and
so
the
apartment
building
is
here.
You
can
see
the
three
stories
it
rises
to
a
height
of
35
feet
in
this
concept.
S
Albertsons
is
to
the
right.
It
ranges
from
about
22
feet
to
38
feet
in
height.
The
idea
here
was
to
provide
a
height
that
was
comparable,
albeit
not
exactly
but
comparable
to
the
height
of
albertsons,
and
also
here
you
can
see
the
underground
parking
structure
underground
parking
level.
I
should
say
beneath
the
apartment,
buildings.
S
S
It's
a
well-articulated
design,
it
has
multiple
roof
line
elements
and
heights
and
it
does
provide
a
height
transition
to
the
to
the
albertson's
behind.
If
we
look
at
these
images
this
one
in
the
upper
left,
this
is
looking
at
the
apartment
building
with
looking
eastbound.
So
this
is
what
would
be
considered
the
left
side.
S
This
is
the
entrance
to
the
parking
level
under
the
building
and
now,
if
we
go
over
to
arena
road
and
we're
looking
back
westerly,
this
is
the
apartment
building,
as
it
would
look
from
reno
three
stories
again,
this
middle
elevation.
S
This
is
as
if
there
were
no
condominiums
there
and
you're
looking
at
the
apartment,
building
from
maurice
drive
again
showing
the
full
three
stories
and
then
at
the
bottom.
This
shows
the
height
relationship
between
the
project
overall
and
again,
the
albertsons
to
the
right.
So
now
we're
looking
westbound
we're
on
the
other
side
of
reno.
This
is
maurice
drive
and
if
you
sort
of
zoom
in
here
you
can
see
these
are
the
two-story
condominiums
facing
reno.
This
is
the
next
building.
S
That
is
a
combination
of
two
and
three
stories,
and
then
the
concept
is
three
stories
for
those
other
two
buildings
heading
to
the
to
the
west.
This
is
the
apartment
building,
which
would
be
largely
screened
from
maurice
and
partially
screened
from
reno
and
then
a
gap,
and
then
the
albertsons
market.
S
Now,
if
we
shift
gears
to
the
town
homes
again,
two
and
three
stories,
if
we
look
at
this
upper
image,
now
we're
looking
north
so
arena
road
is
over
here
to
the
right
and
you
can
see
how
they
step
from
two
stories
to
two
and
three
stories
to
three
and
three
stories.
So
these
are
three
units
here,
three
units
here,
two
units
here
and
then
two
units
over
facing
reno
road.
So
this
is
the
driveway
on
the
west
side
of
the
shopping
center.
S
That
would
provide
access
to
the
apartments,
and
this
is
the
riparian
area
to
the
west.
The
lower
image
is
the
same
as
the
one
that
we
just
saw
in
the
private
in
the
previous
image,
as
mentioned
here
currently
in
this
concept,
there
are
some
minor
setback
deviations,
but
those
those
may
be
modified
or
disappear.
If
the
project
goes
forward,.
S
So
now
we
are
looking
at
photo
simulations
of
the
site.
This
is
the
the
existing
character
of
the
site.
Again,
looking
northwest
conejo
mountain
in
the
distance,
the
I
call
it
the
operson
shopping
center
to
the
right
for
ease
of
reference,
and
this
is
what
it
would
look
like
under
this
concept
again
early
in
the
planning
and
design
stage.
But
this
is
what
it
would
look
like.
S
So
again,
these
are
the
two-story
town
homes
next
to
arena
road,
and
then
this
is
the
next
building
with
a
combination
of
two
and
then
three
story,
elements
and
then
two
three-story
elements
proceeding
over
to
the
driveway
that
provides
access
to
the
back
of
the
shopping
center
and
to
the
apartments.
S
In
this
case,
the
applicant
is
proposing
five
moderate
income
units
which
moderate
is
defined
as
between
80
and
120
of
area
median
income.
Basically,
it
means
for
a
family
of
four.
The
maximum
income
would
be
about
a
hundred
and
fifteen
thousand
dollars.
S
However,
I
should
note
that
currently,
the
need
in
terms
of
meeting
our
arena
requirement
under
state
requirements
is
a
total
of
56,
low-income
units
and
64
very
low
income
units.
We
actually
do
not
need
moderate
income
units
per
se
to
meet
our
arena
requirement,
and
so
I
I
put
that
out
there
for
for
council
consideration.
S
Then
finally,
community
benefits,
as
I
mentioned
earlier.
I
think
residential
is
a
more
appropriate
use
for
the
property
than
commercial.
They
would
have
be
more
compatible
with
adjacent
land
uses.
S
It
also
would
provide
additional
housing,
stock
and
options
in
the
area.
Again.
Currently,
the
applicant
is
proposing
five
affordable
units,
and
then
this
is
not
really
a
driving
factor,
but
should
mention
it
that,
because
the
property
is
commercial,
if
it
were
to
change
to
residential,
then
the
commercial
acreage
would
also
be
put
into
the
into
the
measuring
commercial
pool,
which
is
currently
at
about
four
acres
and
has
been
it
at
that
level.
For
a
number
of
years.
S
So
again,
going
back
to
the
the
idea
that
I
laid
out
in
that
image.
If
council
were
to
allocate
units
to
this
project,
these
are
the
next
five
steps.
Pre-Application
the
applicant
would
be
required
to
formal
file
a
formal
application
within
12
months.
Then
we
would
have
environmental
analysis
conducted
planning.
Commission
would
vet
the
project
and
then
it
would
come
back
to
you
for
final
action.
S
So
with
that
staff
is
recommending
that
you
allocate
50
units
of
city-wide
residential
capacity
to
the
project,
with
the
caveat
that
the
applicant
must
submit
their
formal
application
within
a
year
and
to
initiate
the
general
plan,
amendment
that
I
mentioned
from
commercial
to
high
density
residential
and
to
allow
concurrent
processing
of
the
entitlements,
which
is
basically
the
brick
and
mortar
component
of
the
project
with
the
land
use
changes
which
are
the
legislative,
and
with
that
I
would
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Also
to
my
left
is
kari.
N
Yes,
thank
you
mayor.
Thank
you,
mr
town.
Good
report
just
want
to
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
about
the
pre-screening
process
that
we're
in
this
evening,
which
is
the
very
preliminary
beginning
stages
of
of
this
process.
If
it
goes
forward
to
approve
this,
this
building
project,
we
haven't
always
had
this
pre-screening
process.
Have
we.
S
So
this
basically
gives
you,
as
the
city
council,
an
early,
read
on
a
project
again
tonight,
just
red
light,
green
light
to
go
through
the
process.
Your
action
tonight,
I
should
reiterate,
does
not
denote
final
approval
this.
If
you
opted
to
allow
this
project
to
go
forward,
you
still,
of
course,
have
the
right
at
the
end
of
the
process
to
approve
or
deny
or
conditionally
approve,
but
there's
no
obligation
to
approve
it
at
the
end.
If
you
approve
it
to
go
forward
tonight,.
N
N
S
Correct
so
so,
if,
if
I
may
so
to
so
it
all
pre-screenings,
you
have
the
ability
to
provide
direction
to
an
applicant.
So
if
there
are
concerns
that
you
have
tonight,
if
there's
a
certain
element
that
you
think
is
missing,
this
is
a
perfect
opportunity
to
provide
that
direction
to
the
applicant.
Then
it
be.
It
really
sets
the
stage
for
that
review
that
I
just
re
just
that
I
just.
N
So
it
gives
the
council
a
chance
to
critique
the
project
and
add
their
thoughts,
and
we
have
not
always
passed
projects
in
a
pre-screen
application.
Have
we.
S
No,
the
project
at
1850,
east
thousands
boulevard,
was
denied
by
city
council.
N
Okay-
and
you
mentioned
some
of
the
criteria
that
we
use-
we
actually
use
even
a
greater
amount
of
criteria
that
was
portrayed
tonight.
It
was
a
pretty
exhaustive
list
of
qualifications
that
we're
looking
for.
Is
it
not.
S
That
that's
correct,
and
I
should
also
note
that
in
the
past,
before
the
pre-screening
process
for
projects
that
we're
looking
at
a
at
a
general
plan-
amendment,
for
instance,
we
would
just
provide
land
use
data.
You
didn't
have
a
concept
to
react
to
now
through
the
pre-screening
process.
You
have
these
basic
plans,
architecture,
site
plan
view
shed
renderings
again,
so
that
you
see
the
the
whole
proposal
and
have
a
much
better
idea
about
what
is
being
proposed
and
can
make
obviously
a
more
informed
decision
early
on
in
the
process.
N
S
So
the
the
current
zoning
is
c1,
which
is
neighborhood
commercial,
just
a
few
of
the
uses
that
could
occur
there.
Veterinary
office
restaurant
dance,
schools.
S
Dance
schools,
martial
arts,
studios
medical
offices,
dental
offices,
banks,
professional
offices,
retail
stores,
pet
shops
and
then
there
are
special
use
permits
that
would
be
required
for
other
uses
such
as
a
service
station
live
entertainment,
health
clubs
day
care
center,
so
depend
there's
different,
permit
types
to
be
required,
but
there's
a
variety
of
commercial
uses
that
could
occur
on
the
site.
N
Yeah
I
read
somewhere
in
the
there
was
a
possibility
of
a
25
000
square
foot
retail
center.
That
was
bandied
about.
S
N
Okay
and
just
one
more
quick
thing
on
reno,
which
stands
for
regional
housing
needs
assessment.
N
S
Correct
and
that's
that's
a
mandate
from
the
state
that
that
basically
says
that
the
city
all
cities
have
to
provide
the
capacity
for
different
income
categories.
In
this
case,
the
applicant
is
currently
proposing
five
units,
moderate
income.
You
can
provide
direction
if
you
want
to
to
go
in
a
different
direction,
again
we're
very
early
in
the
process.
S
F
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
mayor
I'd
just
like
to
ask
the
planning
director
is
that
your
title
planning
director
community
community
development.
S
F
Things
get
more
impressive
all
the
time
around
here
I
I've
just
I've
gotten
a
number
of
letters
and
emails
relative
to
the
project
and,
and
one
letter
says
that
the
their
homeowners
association
warned
them
against
subterranean
parking
because
of
potential
damage
to
homes
across
the
street
is.
Is
there
any?
S
I
did
read
that
letter.
I'm
not
entirely
sure
what
that
means,
because
any
project
that
proposes
development
or
especially
subterranean
parking
requires
full
geotechnical
analysis.
Soils
analysis
that
would
all
have
to
be
fully
vetted.
So
I'm
not
aware
of
anything
in
particular
at
this
point,
but
again
through
the
environmental
analysis
process.
All
of
these
topics,
including
traffic,
are
more
fully
evaluated
by
by
experts
in
those
fields.
F
F
Hasn't
been
done
yet,
no
and
on
this
list
of
things
that
you
asked
the
developer,
if
he
would
do,
and
obviously
he
doesn't
have
any
extra
land
to
donate
on
this
site,
I
would
think:
are
there
any
off-site
infrastructure
improvements
that
would
be
appropriate.
S
At
this
time,
I'm
not
aware
of
any
in
terms
of
community
benefit.
They
may
be
further
identified
as
we
proceed
if
we
proceed
particularly
by
public
works,
but
there's
something.
S
F
S
So
the
state
of
california
has
a
green
building
code
and
it
specifies
certain
energy
efficiency
thresholds.
That
question
is
is
really
whether
the
applicant
will
go
above
and
beyond
those
standards,
and
at
this
point
I
I
would
leave
it
up
to
the
applicant
to
answer
that.
But
it's
something
again.
If
you
want
to
provide
direction
tonight,
you
could
certainly
do
that.
Do
we
have.
F
D
S
D
S
Well,
the
initial
analysis
for
this
project
again,
this
is
very
conceptual
now,
but
based
on
that
25
000
square
foot,
footprint,
public
works
looked
at
traffic
in
terms
of
both
peak
hour
usage
and
also
total
daily
trips
and
on
both
counts.
The
their
initial
analysis
showed
that
a
commercial
use
would
result
in
significantly
greater
traffic.
S
So
that's
something
again
that
will
be
further
evaluated.
I
don't
want
to
say
that's
the
the
final
analysis.
It
was
conducted
based
on
a
concept
size
that
was
provided
by
the
applicant
and
in
terms
of
that
range
of
commercial
uses
that
I
mentioned,
some
generate
more
traffic
than
others,
but
on
average
that
was
the
conclusion
by
by
our
public
works
traffic
engineering
staff
that
that
residential
use
would
result
in
less
traffic.
B
Thank
you
councilmember,
mr
town
question.
Would
the
the
zoning
go
into
effect
as
far
as
a
change
if
we
were
to
consider
evaluating
and
looking
at
the
two
projects,
as
the
property
owner
currently
has
commercial
zoning
and
you're
stating
a
higher
traffic
volume?
S
No
first
of
all
for
for
pre-screening
requests,
we
normally
don't
do
even
an
initial
traffic
analysis.
We
did
that
public
works
did
that
because
of
concerns
that
we
heard
from
the
public
at
the
first
pre-screening
discussion.
So
it's
normally
not
something
we
would
do
so
early
in
the
process,
but
that
information
again
will
be
provided
through
the
environmental
document.
It
will
be
again
evaluated
and
vetted
by
our
planning
commission
who
will
provide
a
recommendation
to
you
for
final
action
and
at
that
point,
you'll
have
very
detailed
information
in
terms
of
traffic
counts.
S
S
No,
no,
not
at
all
the
the
zoning
the
zone
change
decision
won't
be
made
until
it
comes
back
to
you
at
the
very
end
of
the
process.
So
tonight
there's
no
there's
no
change
in
zoning.
That
would
happen.
If
you
allow
the
project
to
go
forward,
there's
no
general
plan
change.
It
simply
says
we
think
that
this
project
has
sufficient
merit
to
be
considered
and
to
go
through
the
process.
S
B
Thank
you,
mr
town.
It
doesn't
appear
to
be
any
more
questions
from
the
council.
So
at
this
point
we're
going
to
have
the
applicant
speak.
You
have
15
minutes,
then
we're
going
to
go
to
our
public
comments
and
we
have
got
a
slew
of
folks
speaking
tonight
and
by
the
way
thankful
you're
all
here.
It's
gonna
be
two
minutes
of
peace.
So
do
your
best
and
we're
listening,
and
then,
mr
cohen,
you
can
present
to
us
and
let's
see
what
you
have
to
say
thank.
T
T
T
T
We
would
only
expand
on
a
couple
of
staff
findings,
namely
this
is
the
final
lot
of
a
larger
property
containing
the
albertson
shopping
center
and
the
land
that
was
that
underlies
the
existing
some
250
50
homes
in
that
general
area.
That
area
was
was
land
that
was
owned
by
the
kohan
family
and
was
subsequently
approved
and
subdivided,
including
the
the
improvement
of
the
shopping
center.
T
Should
this
less
invasive
and
less
dense
residential
proposal
not
move
forward
earlier,
mr
cohen,
canvassed
his
closest
neighbors
across
maurice
drive
to
find
that
the
homes
that
homes
rather
than
commercial
was
the
preferred
use
of
this
lot
in
the
future,
and
it
was
on
the
basis
of
that
that
mr
cohen
decided
to
come
forward
and
start
to
work
at
least
two
years
ago
to
start
to
put
together
the
plan.
That
is
just
in
the
incipient
stage
tonight
to
be
allowed
to
at
least
progress
through
your
planning
process.
R
Good
evening,
mayor
and
members
of
the
council
after
the
last
pre-screen,
I
was
hired
to
reach
out
to
the
neighbors
in
the
surrounding
area
to
listen
to
their
concerns.
I
conducted
four
outreach
meetings
in
the
neighborhood
on
the
evening
april
1st
at
the
edmonds
company
I
met
with
the
twin
oaks
board:
approximately
25
people
on
april
10th
at
the
gold
coast
management
office.
I
met
with
the
oak
creek
canyon,
hoa
board.
There
were
about
six
people
there.
R
I
was
contacted
by
some
members
of
that
hoa
who
were
not
on
the
board,
who
were
upset
that
they
weren't
invited
to
that
meeting.
So
I
conducted
my
own
meeting
with
them
out
on
the
site
of
the
proposal
on
april
23rd
about
40
to
50
people
out
there,
people
brought
long
chairs
and
their
dogs
and
stuff.
We
had
a
pretty
nice
time
that
night
and
then
the
next
night
we
met
with
the
brighton
lane
hoa
board
members
at
the
home
of
the
hoa
president
about
15
people.
R
I
started
out
each
meeting
with
an
apology
to
those
folks
that
we
had
not
done
a
better
job
of
outreaching
to
them.
Previously.
That
was
a
an
oversight
should
not
have
happened.
That
way,
I
was
not
taking
notes,
but
I
could
break
down
their
feelings
for
you,
something
like
this
and
be
pretty
close.
There
were
a
significant
number
of
people
who
want
nothing
at
all
to
be
built
on
the
property
they
want
to
stay
where
it
is.
There
were
a
significant
number
who
wanted
it
to
stay
commercial.
R
There
were
a
significant
number
who
didn't
object
to
residential
but
felt
that
the
proposal
was
too
dense.
It
would
create
some
projects,
some
problems,
that
I'll
get
to
in
a
minute,
and
then
there
were
a
few
brave
souls
in
the
meetings
who
said
they
actually
liked
the
proposal
and
a
lot
more,
who
approached
me
later,
privately
or
an
email
and
said
that
they
liked
it,
but
didn't
want
to
say
so
in
front
of
their
neighbors.
R
To
summarize,
the
concerns
of
the
neighbors
they
feel
like
the
increased
population
of
the
proposed
site
will
make
a
bad
parking
and
traffic
situation
even
worse.
They
say
that
turning
from
mauricio
onto
reno
is
is
a
real
problem,
and
these
increased
traffic
trips
would
exacerbate
that
from
a
parking
standpoint.
They
say
that
they're,
somewhere
between
three
to
ten
cars
parked
on
maurice
most
of
the
time.
R
These
are
overflow
parking
from
the
brighton
lane
development
and
they
did
not
believe
that
the
parking
was
adequate
on
our
site
and
they
thought
people
who
are
going
to
be
in
this
project
would
be
parking
out
on
the
street
as
well.
There's
also
a
fair
amount
of
concern
about
the
ingress
and
egress
to
that
service.
Road
that
feeds
the
albertson
shopping
center.
They
didn't
think
it
was
a
good
idea
for
people
in
the
apartment
building
be
sharing
that
road
with
those
trucks.
R
R
I
said
that
I
understood
that
for
many
of
them
this
was
the
first
time
they've
been
involved
in
a
process
like
this,
but
it
was
fairly
typical.
The
way
this
pre-screen
process
works,
the
property
owner,
makes
a
proposal.
The
city
staff
looks
at
it
and
then
the
neighbors
get
their
chance
to
talk
about
it,
and
then
it
goes
through
a
process
of
working
with
city
staff.
R
It
comes
before
you,
the
council,
and
I
encourage
them
to
come
here
tonight
to
make
their
concerns
known
to
you,
and
I
told
them
that
you
actually
do
listen
to
what
they
have
to
say
and
eventually
you
decide
to
go
forward
with
it
or
not,
and
if
you
decide
to
go
forward
that
it
is
sort
of
a
compromise
or
something
that
that
we
all
can
agree
on.
B
Yeah,
I
think
it's
time
for
the
council
to
be
able
to
ask
questions
yeah
if
you
both
want
to
come
up.
There's
some
questions
from
the
council
council
member
billy
le
pena.
You
got
a
question
for.
B
P
T
T
So
when
you
look
at
a
project
as
small
as
basically
it's
47
units
with
five
units
that
that
qualify
under
under
the
arena
arena
requirements,
but
the
the
point
being
that
it's
a
small
lot,
it's
a
small
property.
It's
it's
not
a
it's,
not
a
a
a
massive
project.
In
any
sense,
it
offers
a
a
new
entrance
to
maury's
drive.
All
of
these
things
left
us
in
this
with
a
sense
that
what
we
had
proposed.
T
B
B
Folks,
you're
going
to
get
a
chance
to
have
your
public
comments
and
one
of
the
things
that
moved
us
last
time
you
were
all
here
was
your
civility.
We
get
it,
but
please
you'll,
have
your
opportunity
to
speak.
Keep
your
comments
in
the
gallery
to
yourselves
and
we'll
listen
to
you
when
you
come
to
the
microphone.
Thank
you.
Councilmember.
P
Mr
mr
cohen,
or
perhaps
mr
gallagher,
did
you
have
the
information
on
the
traffic
study
when
you
did
do
the
outreach.
D
R
I'm
not,
I
would
say
it
was
not
well
received.
I
think
that
the
neighbors
have
a
lot
of
concerns
about
traffic,
the
speed
of
traffic
on
rayna
road.
They
talked
about
a
number
of
accidents
that
occurred
in
the
area
in
in
recent
months,
and
I
don't
frankly,
I
don't
think
they
gave
much
credibility
to
the
city
study.
T
H
F
Let
me
go
through
this
list
again
of
sure
of
things
that
I
asked,
mr
town,
would
you
be
amenable
to
any
offside
improvements
in
this
six
months
or
a
year
process,
whatever
you're
going
to
go
through
until
we
get
the
final?
You
know
proposal
before
us.
If.
T
F
T
It
mean
we
know
that
they
they
relate
to
construction
materials,
they
relate
to
the
the
acoustical
controls
of
the
window,
window
materials
and
so
on.
Yes,
we're
looking
at
and
this
that
that
is
part
of
the
evolution
of
moving
this
through
the
planning
process.
So.
J
F
T
T
T
F
N
Thank
you
mayor,
just
there's
been
a
concern
about
parking
as
from
what
you've
been
saying.
So
if
I
get
this,
so
people
are
parking
along
maurice
drive
in
front
of
the
condominiums
on
the
other
side
of
the
lot.
Is
that
what's
happening.
N
R
Are
a
number
of
cars
parked
there
at
any
time
of
the
day?
The
belief
is
that
these
are
cars
that
are
in
the
brighton
lane
association
but
those
cars.
They
have
a
stipulation
in
their
homeowners
association
that
they
don't
allow
parking
on
the
street.
So
cars
come
up
to
maurice
and
park
there
and
as
well
as
some
from
a
few
from
the
other
neighborhoods
as
well.
That
was
the
concern
of
the
neighbors.
R
Not
sure
it's
allowed
on
the
other
side
of
the
street,
the
neighbors,
it's
not
okay,
it's
not
allowed
on
the
other
side
of
the
street.
N
N
T
That's
correct,
and,
and
actually
this
site
has
the
ability
to
park
on
the
private
drive
and
as
well
as
the
fact
that
you've
got
access
into
the
shopping
center
in
that
portion
of
the
of
the
shopping
center,
which,
if
there
was
any
need
for
spillover
parking,
it
would
not
affect
existing
residences.
B
So
we've
got
some
public
comments,
some
speakers,
you
have
two
minutes
each.
I
would
like
to
ask
a
couple
of
things.
One
is,
I
know,
you're
passionate
about
this,
but
if
you're
you're
clapping
it's
hard
for
the
folks
to
hear-
and
I
know
how
you
feel
about
it-
but
I'm
going
to
ask
personally-
I
can't
speak
on
behalf
of
the
council.
B
Why
you
feel
one
way
or
the
other
in
relation
to
that,
because
there's
property
rights,
they
are
zoned
to
build
a
commercial
site
there
and
that's
what
I'm
looking
for,
and
I
again
I
just
want
to
reiterate
how
grateful
I
was
the
last
time
you
folks
were
here.
You
set
the
example
on
civility,
so
when
you
come
and
speak,
I
would
greatly
appreciate
giving
us
insight,
because
this
is
helpful
for
us
and
so
with
that
being
said,
our
first
speaker
is
marcella
ocampo
and
then
followed
by
adam
longman.
H
C
Evening,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
thank
you
for
having
me
speak
today.
First,
I'm
going
to
probably
talk
a
little
quickly,
because
I
only
have
two
minutes,
but
first,
I
think,
on
behalf
of
most
of
the
neighbors.
We
do
appreciate
the
contributions
of
what
mr
cohen
has
you
know
given
to
the
community
in
past
years,
but
I
think
with
him
closing
out
the
project
and
leaving
somewhat
of
his
legacy
behind.
He
would
want
to
close
it
out
in
you
know
not
risking
the
safety
or
the
congestion
that
possibly
could
happen
with.
C
Whatever
is
on
this
plan,
as
as
of
today,
I
do
have
something.
C
First
of
all,
the
the
other
neighbors
were
probably
focused
on
parking
and
congestion
and
whatnot,
but
I'm
going
to
focus
on
the
lane
adjacent
to
the
property,
the
lane
that's
the
basically
used
for
commercial
trucks,
and
I
actually
talked
to
the
management
company
at
managers
at
albertsons,
and
I
talked
to
them
and
said
you
know:
there's
been
an
ongoing
issue
as
of
today
with
that
alleyway
there's
trucks
parked
all
the
time
there.
There
is
a
blind
corner.
C
So
if
you're
one
of
the
homeowners
driving
around
the
corner,
there
is
a
blind
corner
and
there
are
trucks
parked
there
starting
at
7
a.m.
They
told
me
there's
40
trucks,
that
per
week
that
move
back
and
forth
in
that
area,
and
I
quote
her
by
saying
that
is
a
very
busy
alleyway,
as
is,
and
for
people
to
be
coming
in
and
out
of
that
alleyway.
C
It's
already
a
problem.
There's
no
pedestrian
walkway
either.
There's
people
that
do
tend
to
walk
in
that
area,
even
though
they're
not
really
supposed
to,
but
they
do
now.
If
you
put
a
development
there,
you're
going
to
have
more
congestion
coming
into
that
alleyway,
I
was
even
told
that
that
would
be
one
of
the
main
entrances
and
and
exits
for
the
apartments.
C
B
Following
adam
will
be
robert
filiot,
philly
alt,
so
adam
you're
up
yes,
sir
adam
longman,
hello,
sir.
G
I,
my
wife
and
I
will
live
in
the
neighborhood
at
oak
ridge,
oak,
creek
canyon,
about
0.6
miles
from
the
proposed
development,
and
we
are
concerned,
as
our
neighbors
are
about
this
development,
for
the
few
reasons
that
I'm
going
to
describe,
hopefully
under
two
minutes,
50
units
appears
to
me
to
be
excessive
and
will
result
in
significant
congestion,
as
was
mentioned
before,
including
the
number
of
cars
that
will
have
to
be
parking
on
the
street.
As
you
most
of
you
know,
even
though
their
parking
garages
have
been
supplied.
G
G
There
are
risks
also
for
emergency
vehicles
and
fire
in
case
of
fire
or
earthquake,
because
if
parks
cars
are
parked
on
that
street,
including
on
the
alley
that
was
mentioned,
that
could
cause
some
risks.
We
also
do
not
have
public
transportation,
so
I
know
every
person
who
lives
there
will
own
a
car
or
multiple
cars.
G
B
D
D
Approximately
50
percent
of
the
people
in
the
adjoining
neighborhoods
don't
use
their
garages
for
their
cars.
They
use
them
for
everything
from
bicycles,
workshops,
motorcycles,
toys,
junk
everything
else,
so,
with
a
number
of
cars
that
this
development
would
need
the
number
of
access
cars
to
the
parking
that's
available,
the
cars
would
be
parked
up.
Maurice
they
would
be
parked
on
fallbrook.
D
They
would
be
parked
on
haven
side,
they
would
be
parked
on
nole
wood
and
we've
all
paid
a
lot
of
money
for
some
really
nice
houses
and
we
really
didn't
buy
into
having
our
neighborhood
being
a
parking
lot.
Quite
frankly,
an
answer
to
your
question,
mayor
mccoy.
This
is
simply
too
big
a
project.
Okay,
I
have
no
problem
with
residential
there
if
it's
something
like
10
town
homes
with
sufficient
parking
and
the
other
point
I
want
to
make-
and
I
want
to
add
something
to
what
marcella
just
talked
about.
D
D
I
see
parents
with
children,
I
see
cars
going
to
and
from
albertsons,
and
I
see
big
rigs
on
that
particular
driveway.
There's
no
sidewalks
there
will
never
be
any
sidewalks
okay.
What
happens
if
a
car
hits
a
kid
and
there's
a
wall
on
one
side?
That's
blocked!
It's
not
going
to
move
you're
going
to
have
a
dead
child.
G
G
G
If
I
hit
the
lottery
tomorrow
or
whenever
I'll
buy
it
out
from
everybody,
he
can
have
a
joy.
It's
simple!
Just
that
you
know
make
a
donation
to
the
city.
The
city
does
all
kinds
of
crazy
things
help
out
with
the
park
and
you
don't
have
to
worry
about
heavy
heavy
traffic
and
congestion.
So
I'm
going
to
cut
it
short
because
I
probably
already
screwed
up
anyway.
G
G
O
H
Just
a
picture
that
I
took
on
a
weekend
and
that
is
maurice
drive,
my
name
is
melanie:
I'm
a
lifetime
resident
of
canejo
valley
and
a
long
time
teacher
in
the
kenya
valley,
unified
school
district.
I
have
two
small
children
that
attend
our
neighborhood
cvusd
school.
I
was
present
at
the
first
city
council
meeting
on
this
topic
and
felt
it
was
very
important
to
make
sure
that
we
as
a
community
had
a
strong
presence,
as
this
continues
through
the
process.
H
Yesterday
I
was
going
to
put
up
flyers
on
our
community
mailboxes
to
inform
my
neighbors
of
tonight's
meeting.
When
I
left
for
an
appointment,
I
saw
that
the
flyers
that
the
flyers
were
already
up
good
one
less
thing
for
me
to
do.
When
I
returned
an
hour
later,
those
flyers
were
gone,
so
I
proceeded
to
put
up
my
own
as
I
was
walking
down
the
street.
I
saw
remnants
of
the
previous
flyer
and
it
was
indeed
informing
the
neighbors
of
this
very
important
meeting
this
afternoon.
H
H
This
afternoon,
when
I
returned
home
from
work,
I
saw
that
the
flyers
that
I
had
just
put
up
yesterday
were
in
fact
gone
today.
The
developer
was
asked
to
reach
out
to
the
surrounding
neighborhoods
and
hoas,
which
he
did
he
was
told
to
so
he
did.
He
checked
that
box,
but
for
what
purpose?
There
has
been
no
change.
No
modifications
made
no
willingness
to
work
together
with
the
established
surrounding
community.
H
Is
this
the
kind
of
behavior
we
want
to
embrace
and
reward?
Is
this
the
kind
of
business
that
we
want
in
our
backyard?
This
is
a
quiet
established
neighborhood
by
your
own
general
plan.
It's
designated
commercial
for
the
exact
reason
that
somebody
does
not
come
in
and
put
in
a
three-story
high-density
apartment
complex
in
our
neighborhood,
I'm
concerned
about
our
privacy
with
the
three-story
building
looming
over
us.
Thank.
O
R
R
I
just
wanted
to
make
my
opinion
noted.
The
density
of
the
building
is
project
is
too
large.
Imagine
in
your
neighborhood
if
somebody
brought
20
percent
more
residence
right
on
your
on
your
corner
of
your
neighborhood
at
the
entrance
to
your
neighborhood,
the
neighborhood
adjacent
brighton
lane
has
no
residential
parking
allowed
in
the
community.
It's
parking
on
maurice
avenue.
You
double
that
or
triple
that
and
of
guests
coming
into
that
community.
It's
just
going
to
cause
a
more
more
parking
density.
R
Also
when
you,
when
you
compare
the
traffic
that
they
say
commercial
will
bring,
we
already
have
commercial
traffic
there.
It's
not
going
to
increase
that
much
more.
It's
also
dependent
on
what
type
of
business
gets
put
there.
If
it's
a
veterinarian
office.
Like
someone
said
you
know,
that's
a
small
number
of
cars,
it
just
depends
what
gets
built
there.
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
residential.
The
density
is
just
too
large.
B
R
Good
evening,
mr
ryan,
my
name
is
mickey
reiser.
I
live
across
the
street
from
the
project
on
the
corner
of
woodland
oak
in
reno,
and
the
first
I
knew
about
this
unfortunately
was
thursday
at
the
acorn,
and
then
I
got
a
flyer
yesterday.
R
Excuse
me,
so
I
wasn't
aware
of
exactly
what
was
going
on
until
recently,
our
community
and
our
president
is
with
us.
The
hoa
was
not
notified
and
haven't
not
gotten
any
reach
out,
which
is
fine,
we're
here
now.
A
couple
of
things
kind
of
concern
me,
a
developer
that
owns
property,
wants
to
get
the
most
bang
for
the
buck
that
property
in
the
12
years
that
I'm
living
there.
I've
lived
in
the
caneo
for
42
years
in
thousand
oaks
and
I'm
living
there
12
years.
My
backyard
is
172
feet
from
the
complex.
R
So
I
look
at
that
on
a
daily
basis,
and
all
I
see
is
the
albertson's
wall,
so
I
would
love
to
see
it
developed
in
one
way
or
another.
I
think
it's
great
to
build
buildings.
I
think
the
density
is
ridiculous.
I'm
concerned
about
children
playing
along
reno.
Reno
is
a
racetrack.
I
don't
know
if
you
know
it,
but
where
we
are
between
maurice
and
reno
and
woodland
oak
there's
a
kind
of
a
turn
and
a
curve,
and
it
goes
up
at
four
in
the
afternoon
till
about
six
in
the
afternoon.
R
I
would
not
let
my
dog
out
because
of
that
race
track.
I
mean
it's
just
really
dangerous.
Everybody
wants
to
get
home
after
work
and
it's
a
busy
road.
So
my
concern,
of
course,
is
children
playing
along
reno
children
that
are
going
to
living
live
in.
That
area
might
have
a
problem.
The
other
thing
that
I
want
to
address,
and
it's
just
two
two
three
other
items.
R
Then
I
won't
finish
it,
but
I
think
the
most
important
thing
is
the
density
of
the
project,
I'd
love
to
see
housing
there
or
commercial,
but
I
disagree
with
the
city
in
one
respect
and
that's
the
traffic
count
if
you
have
for
argument's
sake,
somebody
said
before
a
veterinarian,
a
veterinarian
building
on
that
property
would
not
have
as
much
traffic
as
42
or
47
residents.
Thank
you
thank.
C
C
G
G
Freilich
hi,
my
name,
is
jeff
moss.
Thank
you
mayor.
Thank
you,
sir.
You
know
I
don't
think
I
can
say
it
much
more
about
the
high
density
issue.
I
mean
it's
a
it's
a
low
density
area
and
you're
looking
to
put
in
50
apartments
that
are
high
density
in
a
1.57
acre
spot.
It
just
doesn't
fit.
G
G
Mountain
you've
got
the
point
magoo
state
park,
it's
a
really
really
unique
area
and
it's
kind
of
one
of
the
few
hidden
gems
left
in
the
canal
valley,
and
if
you,
if
you
spoil
it
with
50
apartments,
three
stories
I
mean
you're,
really
stealing
something
from
the
canelo
valley.
One
of
the
few
places
that
are
left
that
you
can
go
and
feel
like
you're
out
in
the
country
so
yeah.
I
think
you're
going
to
be
a.
G
G
G
I
love
living
there
and
I
drive
that
road
every
day
and
there
is
a
little
s
turn
in
there
and
my
daughter
goes
to
albertsons
every
day
and
you
know
it's
a
nightmare
waiting
to
happen.
I
know
I'm
out
of
time,
but
I
hope
you
guys
just
red
flag
of
this
thing
because
it's
going
to
be
a
real
problem.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
moss.
B
G
He
said
we
should
only
have
two
or
three
members
of
our
community
come
up
and
speak
tonight
because-
and
I
quote,
if
you
have
too
many
members,
the
council
members
zone
out
and
don't
listen,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
I
have
your
attention
tonight,
mr
cohen,
donated
that
nice
flood
area
he
was
already
rewarded
handsomely
for
those
that
building
project,
where
my
house
currently
is
in
a
lot
of
our
houses.
Currently
are
so
he
doesn't
need
any
more
cookies
from
you
guys
to
get
this
project
greenlit.
G
The
fact
that
the
option
that
they're
presenting
tonight
is
that
this
25
000
square
foot
area
would
be
a
commercial
development.
If
this
project
was
not
green
lit
by
the
council,
that's
not
true
either
because
there
are
alternatives.
You've
already
heard
people
speaking
saying
how
about
lower
density
ore
match,
what's
already
in
the
surrounding
neighborhood,
which
is
medium
density.
I
would
not
be
opposed
to
that,
and
I
think
we've
already
heard
several
people
here
who
wouldn't
be
opposed
to
it
either.
But
what
have
we
got
from
our
meetings
with
mr
cohen?
G
G
B
C
Since
I
don't
have
much
time
to
mess
with
the
projector
we're
going
for
the
low-tech
approach
here,
I'm
not
against
development,
but
I
am
against
patchwork
development.
This
three-story
high
proposal
is
not
part
of
a
beautiful
master
plan
community.
C
This
is
an
isolated
island
just
being
thrown
in
to
an
area
that
was
not
designed
or
planned
for
that
people
made
the
biggest
investments
of
their
lives
buying
homes
in
this
area,
based
on
the
zoning
as
soon
as
you
change
the
zoning
and
then
grant
a
variance
for
high
height,
that's
blotting
out
people's
views,
you're
lowering
property
values
and
you're
changing
the
whole
character
of
the
neighborhood.
The
other
thing
I
want
to
talk
about
is
the
reality
of
housing.
C
In
california,
I
own
a
property
management
company,
I'm
dealing
with
tenants
all
the
time,
I'm
showing
properties
all
the
time.
In
the
last
six
years,
things
have
fundamentally
changed.
We
are
in
an
era
of
multi-generational
multi-families
occupying
one
residence,
we're
also
in
the
shared
economy
where
people
are
renting
out
rooms
and
couches
in
their
residences,
whether
it's
an
apartment,
a
townhouse,
a
condo
or
a
home.
We
moved
to
thousand
oaks
because
we
were
living
in
a
high
density,
three-story
townhouse
development
that
had
apartments
in
it,
those
townhouses
sold
for
approximately
500
000.
C
C
The
truth
came
out
when
the
fire
alarm
went
out,
went
off
in
the
middle
of
the
night
and
I
lost
count
at
120
people
coming
out
of
six
town
houses
next
to
ours,
and
at
that
point
we
moved
to
thousand
oaks
so
the
reality
of
a
three-story
high
structure.
This
is
on
newbury
road.
The
arc
the
architectural
renderings
are
fantasies.
This
is
what
the
reality
is
as
far
as
the
appearance
and
the
traffic,
and
this
is
how
high
the
buildings
are.
C
Old
and
still
going
strong
and
I'm
over
at
her
house
three
times
a
week,
so
I
travel
that
area
a
lot
and
she
has
everything
she
owns
invested
now.
I
don't
know
about
you,
but
at
one
point
in
time
my
family
had
six
cars
because
my
kids
all
had
cars,
and
I
had
cards
now
if
you
work
that
into
75
cars
for
50
apartments,
that
just
does
not
compute.
C
If
anybody
has
teenagers,
so
I
think
there's
going
to
be
a
huge
shortage
of
parking
and
that's-
and
there
is
a
a
wetlands
preserve
that
runs
through
oak
creek
that
had
to
be
addressed.
C
B
Leanne
just
a
moment,
please
after
leanne
will
be
denise
coulter,
so
if
you
could
get
on
deck,
get
ready
to
speak.
Welcome
man
thank.
H
H
Apparently
he
didn't
think
that
these
were
good
uses
of
the
space.
I
recently
read
the
traffic
impact
study
conducted
by
the
city,
and
I
do
not
think
this
is
entirely
accurate.
As
the
traffic
strips
only
measure
traffic
coming
in
from
one
direction
and
out
from
another,
many
people
in
this
community
now
use
the
fallbrick
and
kimber
intersection
to
avoid
turning
left
on
maurice
and
reno
because
of
the
standard,
dangerous
intersection
well
and
no
traffic
strips
were
laid
there.
H
Maybe
police
reports
weren't
filed,
so
it
wasn't
counted,
I
don't
know,
but
in
both
instances
cars
were
totaled
and
when
a
traffic
sign
actually
fell
over
and
just
two
weeks
ago,
actually
another
major
accident
occurred.
Thank
you.
So
please
listen
to
your
constituents
myself
and
498
residents
implore
you
to
not
go
forward
with
this
pre-screen
process.
Thank.
B
B
D
H
G
Hello,
I'm
the
board,
president
of
the
reserve,
reno
20,
a
unit
single-family
housing
development
right
across
the
street.
In
fact,
our
closest
neighbor
is
less
than
150
feet
from
the
subject
property
and
even
though
I
know
it's
in
the
preliminary
stage,
this
pre-planning
phase
being
the
board
president.
G
I
was
a
I'm
a
retired
university,
professor
and
in
doing
a
little
bit
of
research.
While
I
was
sitting
here,
I
had
looked
up
the
purpose
of
zoning
and
the
purpose
of
zoning
or
land
use
designation,
and
I
quote,
was
created
in
part
to
preserve
the
character
of
the
community
and
in
looking
at
the
proposal.
G
G
Also,
I
was
surprised
to
view
the
attachment
number
five
that
you've
received,
that
the
developer
says
that
the
neighborhood
has
expressed
a
preference
for
multi-family
residential
use
at
this
location,
so
long
as
the
proposed
residential
product
does
not
compete
in
size
or
value
of
the
units
with
the
neighbor's
residential
property.
So
basically
they're
saying
that
our
neighborhood
and
I'm
assuming
it's
the
homeowners
surrounding
this
proposed
development
expressed
a
preference
to
them
for
multi-family
residential
use
and
I'm
not
sure
what
neighborhood
they
posited
on
this.
H
Let's
see
okay,
so
I
live
less
than
two
blocks
away
from
albertsons.
I
go
there
every
single
day,
sometimes
twice
a
day,
because
my
kids
need
milk.
So.
A
H
No
joke
my
kids
are
going
to
be
walking
to
school
right
by
there
there's
no
way.
I
want
my
kids
walking
by
a
low
income
housing.
I
have
my
husband
and
I
have
worked
our
entire
lives
to
get
where
we
are
to
buy
this
house
to
live
in
this
community,
like
we
picked
this
community
over
every
other
community
in
the
united
states
of
america
like
there's
nothing
else
like
it.
It's
perfect
putting
this
in
yeah
it's
going
to
cause
lots
of
traffic,
it's
not
safe.
H
We
really
honestly
have
nothing
in
newberry
park,
except
for
our
safety
and
our
happiness
and
our
families.
We
low-income
housing
is
not
what
we
want.
We
would
commercial
everyone
here,
I
think,
would
be
happy
with
the
commercial.
We
don't
have
any
restaurants.
We
really
have
nothing
but
our
safety
and
we're
fine
with
that.
H
We
love
that,
but
don't
take
away
our
safety
leave
it
blank
rather
than
do
that,
and
you
know,
with
the
whole
boise
bill
going
in
and
then
this
that's
kind
of
just
a
lot
to
handle
and
the
cohan
I
feel
like
they
have
also
done
a
few
projects
in
the
past.
With
opening
a
home
with
mental
illnesses
that
caused
a
lot
of
people
to
move
out
of
the
move
out
of
the
area,
it
didn't
work
out,
it
wasn't
good.
So
I
don't
know
why
he's
going
to
another
area
like
this?
B
B
G
Point
is
you
asked
about
the
impact
commercial
residential
right?
Everyone's
already
said,
you
have
more
traffic
with
the
number
of
units
50
units.
So
if
you
have
two
cars,
it's
a
hundred
cars
you're,
not
counting
family
and
guests.
Coming
in
for
the
holidays,
commercial
side,
holidays.
Businesses
are
closed
unless
you're,
alversons
and
you're
getting
your
turkey
right
and
it's
all
packed.
G
G
B
G
Night,
so
I'm
an
attorney
by
training,
and
I
represented
developers
and
contractors
for
many
years
before
I
repented-
and
I
am,
I
am
a
a
a
recovering
attorney
and
at
the
same
time,
what
I
learned
was
that
there's
one
motivation
behind
all
of
it
and
it's
profit
and
that's
what
you're
hearing
about
tonight
and
it's
to
me
what
I
can't
say
much
more
than
what's
already
been
said
other
than
to
say
the
general
plan
is
the
general
plan
for
a
reason
and
what
you're
doing
is
talking
about
modifying
that
general
plan
in
a
very
substantial
and
significant
way.
G
That
requires
a
lot
of
thought
and
a
lot
of
attention
and
there's
only
one
reason:
you're
thinking
about
doing
it
and
that's
a
project
that
nobody
wants,
except
for
a
developer,
who
wants
to
make
a
profit.
And
so
I
tried
to
come
up
with
the
pictures.
A
thousand
words
right.
I
tried
to
come
up
with
something
that
would
kind
of
tell
you
exactly
how
the
community
feels
about
it,
and
I
found
this.
Hopefully,
you
can
see.
G
What's
out
of
place
in
that
picture,
it
it's
it's
gone.
G
G
We
don't
want
it
to
be
an
eyesore,
because
three
stories
is
out
of
context
with
the
rest
of
what's
built,
there
there's
nothing
wrong
with
a
developer,
trying
to
make
a
profit.
I
get
that
there
is
something
wrong
with
trying
to
make
the
profit
on
the
backs
of
the
people
who
live
there
for
something
that
nobody
really
wants.
Thanks.
B
Leonard
and
then
say,
roberts
and
then
brenda
vasquez.
G
G
G
And
maurice
because
of
the
number
of
trips
that
we
are
being
generated
by
this
project,
I
think
I
would
ask
that
the
density
of
this
project
be
reconsidered
substantially.
If
you're
going
to
grant
the
land
use
change
the
general
plan
amendment
and
the
zone
change,
I
would
request
that
you
really
consider
greatly
the
density
that
this
project
would
add
to
the
whole
community
and
the
detriment
that
it
would
cause.
B
Q
Again
hi,
my
name
is
saya
roberts
and
I'm
a
resident.
I
just
bought
my
house
last
year
on
haven
side,
there's
only
one
ingress
and
or
no
two
ingresses
and
egresses
out
of
that
neighborhood
that
is
kimber
and
maurice
is,
and
kimber
is
non-usable
in
the
mornings,
because
that's
school
traffic
at
cypress
elementary
is
at
the
end
of
the
block
and
then
there's
a
fire
road.
So
that
way
you
cannot
get
through
the
neighborhood
on
maurice
drive.
Q
It
would
be
counter-intuitive
to
put
the
highest
density
building
at
the
entrance
and
exit
of
an
of
a
neighborhood
where
everyone
has
to
back
up
behind
all
these
50
people,
because
realistically
most
people
go
to
work
around
the
same
time
and
come
home
from
work
around
the
same
time
when
you're
talking
about
commercial,
not
everyone's,
going
to
the
store
at
the
exact
same
time
or
wherever
they're
going
and
they're
entering
a
parking
lot.
The
entrance
is
on
the
other.
Q
The
entrance
is
actually
on
reno
and
there's
an
entrance
on
maurice
and
there's
an
entrance
on
kimber
to
that
parking
lot.
So
it's
not
like
everyone's
gonna
be
going
in
and
out
at
the
exact
same
time.
So
even
if
more
cars
come
and
go
per
day,
it's
not
at
the
same
time
and
it's
through
different
exits
and
they're
parking
in
a
parking
lot
designated
for
that
area.
Q
Another
thing
is,
it
doesn't
match
the
characteristic
of
the
neighborhood
I
would
not
have
bought
my
house
last
year
had
at
the
entrance
there
been
a
big
apartment
complex
with
low
income
housing.
I
would
not
have
one
of
the
reasons
I
bought
in
that
area
is
my
kids
ride
their
bikes
they're
on
dirt
bikes,
it's
not
as
all
the
other
kids.
Are
you
see
tons
of
kids
on
skateboards,
it's
just
not
an
apartment
type
of
neighborhood.
Q
B
Thank
you,
miss
roberts,
brenda
are
you
here.
J
J
J
J
J
It
is
very
obvious
that
the
applicant
is
trying
to
push
the
proposal
through
the
process,
I'm
very
disappointed
and
upset.
At
the
same
time,
the
applicant
needs
to
come
back
to
the
community
with
a
revised
proposal
that
mitigates
to
the
best
that
it
can.
The
community's
concerns
allowing
this
application
to
move
forward
as
submitted
with
the
proposed
zone
change
for
high
density,
is
wrong
for
the
community.
J
B
Mr
boyton,
hello,
following
you
will
be
aaron
schwartz.
F
G
Council,
your
communities
come
to
you
tonight
and
just
please
do
the
right
thing.
G
It's
too
big
it's
wrong
and
I've
lived
on
maurice
drive
for
18
years,
I'm
just
about
100
yards
west
of
the
project.
Basically
a
football
field.
You
have
my
phone
number.
My
email
address.
You're
welcome
to
talk
to
me.
I've
walked
by
that
lot,
thousands
of
times
and
here's
the
problem.
What
you
have
is
a
low
visiting
low
visibility,
blind
corner
on
maurice
and
reno,
and
you
know
you're
going
to
twist
reports.
This
I
mean
who
says
parking.
G
They
do
studies
what
time
of
days
and
nights,
but
if
you
have,
if
you're,
trying
to
ram
50
units
in
there,
what
you're
going
to
end
up
with
is
at
least
200
cars.
I
mean
I
don't
care
because
she
got
the
air
in
b
and
b
and
they
got
people
in
multiple
rooms
and
this
and
that
and
multiple
children
and
just
grasp.
Please
wrap
your
head
around
this
one
thought
please
just
envision
a
1.7
acre
parcel
of
dirt
with
a
hundred
to
two
hundred
cars,
navigating
in
and
out
of
there
with
blind
corners.
G
S
E
Side
also
about
two
blocks
away
from
the
project
with
my
wife
and
my
three
children
who
are
enjoying
playing
video
games
right
now,
rather
than
being
in
bed
for
school,
because
I'm
here
with
my
wife,
I
I
think
I
can't
speak
as
eloquently
as
many
other
people
have.
I
first
learned
about
this
a
couple
weeks
ago
from
my
hoa.
So
apparently
I
was
not
one
of
the
people
that
mr
cohen
knocked
on
their
door,
which
apparently
was
a
sample
size
of
two
based
on
everyone.
Who's
spoken
tonight,
but
in
all,
in
all
seriousness.
E
This
council
spoke
very
eloquently
earlier
this
evening
on
other
very
important
topics
about
the
importance
of
property
owners
and
property
rights,
and
I
understand
mr
cohen
has
his
property
rights
absolutely,
and
I
understand
that,
unlike
the
homelessness
issue,
which
is
incredibly
vexing
and
affects
the
entire
city,
this
is
one
small
neighborhood,
but
it
affects
all
of
us
incredibly
deeply.
Hundreds
of
us-
and
I
would
just
ask
this
council
to
keep
an
open
mind.
E
Quite
frankly,
some
of
the
initial
comments
made
it
seem
like
perhaps
some
people
had
already
made
their
minds
up,
and
I
would
just
ask
you
to
keep
an
open
mind
and
really
think
this
through
the
fact
that
no
changes
have
been
proposed
after
meeting
with
at
least
some
of
us
clearly
not
most
of
us,
and
we
would
ask
you
to
keep
an
open
mind.
I
don't
think
anyone
you
know
despite.
E
I
think
the
comment
about
a
park
which
I
know
we
would
all
love,
but
we
also
know,
as
most
of
us
know,
is
not
realistic,
something
that
is
residential,
fine,
something
that
is
compatible
and
fair.
I
think
that's
really
the
theme
that
most
people
have
expressed
something
that's
compatible
with
our
neighborhood
and
a
three-story
high
highly
dense
apartment,
complex
on
a
very
small
pulse
of
land,
which
is
small
because
of
the
way
mr
cohen
developed
his
commercial
property.
I
mean
that's
why
it's
the
size
it
is
is
the
plans
he
made
on
the
albertson's
plaza.
E
B
Aaron
aaron,
I
I
want
to
apologize.
I
was
multitasking,
but
I
was
listening.
I
heard
what
you
had
to
say
thank
you
friend,
eric
trembley
and
then
followed
by
kilmar
martinez.
G
Well,
good
evening,
everyone,
it's
good
to
be
back
here
again.
I
actually
prepared
something,
but
I'm.
G
And
I
think
that
you
know
the
sentiment
is
pretty
apparent
and
it's
pretty
obvious
that
no
one's
in
support
of
this
really
yeah
we're
willing
to
accommodate
in
certain
regards,
but
I've
seen
a
lack
of
there's
just
disingenuity
and
there's
just
not
the
the
developers
here
have
shown
a
lack
of
regard
for
what
we
care
and
what
we
want
and
what
our
community
is.
And,
mr
jones,
I
know
that
you've
responded
to
some
emails
from
people
asking.
What
is
the
impact?
G
Is
there
going
to
be
a
negative
impact
and
I
think
we've
clearly
demonstrated
that
as
it
is
right
now?
Yes,
there
is
going
to
be
a
negative
impact.
Our
quality
of
life
is
a
concern
we
purchased
our
homes
and
our
property
based
on
an
expectation
of
quality
of
life,
and
this
project
is
going
to
severely
negatively
impact
that
one
thing
that
also
I've
noticed
has
fallen
completely
off.
The
the
bullet
points
is
that
we
were
talking
about
affordable
income,
how
homes,
low
income
homes
things
of
that
nature.
G
That's
not
a
part
of
the
discussion
tonight
and
it's
good
because
it
never
was
really
a
part
of
the
discussion.
Moderate
income
housing
is
not
something
we
need.
We
are
300
over.
You
had
mentioned
earlier.
81
000
is
the
the
income
levels
for
that,
and
so
to
to
have
that
be
a
part
of
the
conversation
I
felt
was
very
disingenuous
too
at
some
point,
and
I'm
glad
I
guess
see
that
it's
it's
not
anymore.
G
I
really
hope
that
this
council
does
the
best
thing
it
can
do
for
the
residents
that
are
currently
there,
and
I
think
we've
unanimously
said
that
we
are
not
an
approval
of
this
particular
project.
Thank
you.
Thank.
E
Hello:
everyone,
my
name
is
kilmer,
I'm
right
here
in
front
of
you
speaking
at
this
moment
in
favor
of
the
affordable
household
since.
E
Apologies,
I
will
start
again
if
that's
fine,
hello,
everyone,
my
name
is
kilmer,
I'm
gonna,
be
a
I'm
gonna,
be
a
speaker
right
now
on
on
a
four
of
the
affordable
house.
E
As
you
know,
we
all
are
humans
and
we
all
believe
and
have
the
same
fears
and
ideas
that
you
guys
have
so
as
you're,
pointing
out
low-income
families
that
kind
of
hurts
some
other
people
who,
for
example,
myself
who
doesn't
have
that
much
but
trying
to
do
as
best
as
I
can
in
life
being
calling
that
that
way,
it
kind
of
hurts.
But
on
top
of
that,
the
new
house
and
household
income
household
income
will
help.
E
People
like
me
and
any
others
who
are
working
back
and
forth
coming
back
and
forward
from
one
to
three
hours
from
l.a
and
other.
This
and
other
areas
just
to
come
over
and
work
here
will
help
those
people
to
have
a
better
life
and
also
improve
the
economy
of
your
city
and
as
well,
the
productivity
any
company
who
have
employees
who
have
people
outside
this
community.
Thank
you,
so
much
guys
have
a
great
day.
Thank.
B
You
kelmore
michael
you're
betting,
cleanup.
E
Thank
you
for
hearing
me
tonight
when
this
issue
came
before
the
council.
In
february
it
marked
the
first
council
meeting
I
had
ever
attended
found
it
interesting.
I
watched
as
a
parade
of
community
members
came
to
speak
out
against
the
project
and,
frankly
was
quite
surprised
that
the
rezoning
request
wasn't
shut
down
that
night
later
that
week,
I
legally
chucked
the
acorn
for
its
account,
and
I
found
this
quote
from
mr
cohen,
who
represents
the
out-of-town
owner
of
the
parcel
in
question.
E
E
Assuming
that's
an
accurate
quote,
and
from
that
we
can
infer
that
mr
cohen,
the
out-of-town
owner
of
the
property
wants
to
comply
with
the
with
the
wishes
of
the
homeowners
and,
as
you
see
tonight,
what
the
wishes
are
speaking
to
the
owner
directly.
I
I'd
like
to
say
that
I
envy
you,
sir,
you
have
the
opportunity
to
build
a
love
letter
to
the
community
that
made
you
a
multi-millionaire.
E
E
You
have
a
1.7
acre
blank
slate,
mr
cohen,
where
you
can
create
something
so
innovative,
so
magical
so
out
of
the
box
that
a
folder's
guide
on
thousand
oaks,
if
they
ever
chose
to
write
one
would
cite
the
parcel
as
one
of
the
can't
miss
attractions
of
thousand
oaks
in
50
years.
Most
of
us
in
this
room
are
going
to
be
dead,
but
what
we
put
on
that
land
is
going
to
live
on
long
afterwards,
mr
cohen,
I
ask
you
get
in
touch
with
your
better
angels.
This
is
this
parsley.
Is
your
this
parcel?
E
Is
your
legacy?
You
don't
have
to
squeeze
every
last
nickel
out
of
every
last
square
inch
of
land
that
you
own.
I
was
a
little
concerned
tonight
when
I
heard
comments
from
mr
adam
and
mr
powers,
who
seem
to
be
trying
to
put
their
foot
in
the
door
like.
Oh
this
isn't
a
final
decision
we'll
just
let
it
go
forward,
we'll
just
let
it
go
forward.
This
thing
needs
to
be
killed
tonight.
E
B
S
S
S
What
I
stated
before
was
was
accurate,
of
course,
in
terms
of
the
city
state
requirements
for
the
city
and
the
city's
status
with
regard
to
low
and
very
low
income
units,
the
applicant
has
offered
to
provide
five
moderate
income
units-
that's
again
80
to
120
percent
of
ventura
county
median
income,
these
units.
If
they
were
to
change
to
low
or
very
low
income
units,
it
would
probably
only
be
a
few
units,
a
very
small
percentage
of
the
overall
if
it
were
to
go
forward
in
this.
S
In
this
density,
which
would
still
be
an
open
question
going
forward
in
terms
of
the
analysis,
that's
actually
all
I
had
right
now,
so
thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
mr
town,
questions
from
the
council.
Oh
well,
it
says
questions
of
staff
if
they
have
any.
F
Members,
yes,
mr
town,
do
you
really
feel
that,
with
only
minor
modifications
that
this
would
be
compatible
in
that
neighborhood.
S
S
I
think
the
fact
that
you
have
residential
on
three
sides
of
this
property
in
part
indicates
that
that
could
be
an
appropriate
use
of
the
property
compared
to
commercial.
Now
I
went
through
a
number
of
potential
commercial
prop
commercial
uses
earlier,
there's
a
whole
variety
of
retail
uses
that
could
go
there.
S
In
my
mind,
a
a
a
right-sized
residential
project
could
fit
on
that
property
and
be
compatible
with
the
neighborhood.
That
really
is
is
what
this
comes
down
to
tonight
is
competitive,
neighborhood
compatibility,
whether
a
zone
change
and
general
plan
amendment
to
change
the
use
is
compatible
with
the
neighborhood
and
that's
why
we're
here
at
this
early
state
in
the
process?
I
think
residential
could
be
a
good
use
for
the
property,
though,
but.
F
K
F
Around
and
I'm
wondering
at
these
areas,
I'm
just
wondering
if
the
amount
of
cars
you
know
that
would
I
understand
that
there
are
traffic
studies
and
you've
done
them
or,
and
you
say
that
that
there
would
be
less
traffic
with
residential.
But
we've
heard
tonight
that
the
traffic
that
would
be
with
kids
going
to
school
and
and
go
to
work
at
times
it
seems
like
the
traffic
would
be
rather
congested
at
a
couple
times
of
the
day
rather
than
commercial.
That
would
would
be
probably
more
equal
throughout
the
hours.
S
Well,
I'm
referring
again
to
the
to
the
initial
traffic
analysis
from
public
works.
It
looked
at
both
and
total
number
of
daily
trips.
It
was
significantly
higher
with
commercial,
also
looked
at
the
pm
peak
hour,
which
is
around
five
o'clock,
and
that
was
also
significantly
higher
with
commercial
than
residential
you're
right.
There
are
different
patterns
during
the
day.
That's
what
the
initial
analysis
concluded.
S
Well,
we
we
used
a
number
that
was
provided
by
the
applicant,
that's
which
is
in
line
with
well.
If
I
can
finish,
I
can
finish
if
I
can
finish,
we
used
a
number
of
25
000
square
feet,
wit
for
that
property,
which
is
not
entirely
out
of
line
with
the
typical
proportion
of
a
commercial
site
of
that
size
that
would
actually
have
if.
S
D
Thank
you
mayor
a
lot
of
comments
tonight
about
the
size
of
this
property
and
as
people
were
talking,
I
was
noting
just
a
couple
of
words
to
kind
of
capsule
encapsulate
what
they
were
saying
most
are
saying
this
is
just
too
large
a
property
or
too
large
a
project
for
this
property.
D
D
S
T
T
T
T
The
the
the
fact
remains,
though,
that
that
to
do
larger,
smaller,
larger
units
of
a
townhouse
nature
would
not
give
you
the
ability
to
have
some
variety
in
terms
of
of
rental
units
in
the
newbury
park
area,
something
that
is
actually
appropriate
and
necessary
and
not
incompatible
with
other
people
that
are
living
in
the
area.
I
I
we
have
not
done
a
survey
to
determine
how
many
of
those
homes
that
are
in
the
area
that
are
rented
out.
T
We
don't
know
that
that
particular
factor
so,
and
I
still-
and
I
also
heard
somebody
still
be
concerned-
that
that
we're
building
50
apartments
we're
not
building
50
apartments,
we're
building
10
town
homes
that
are
situated
in
a
way
to
be
compatible
with
the
properties
across
maurice
drive.
So
those
those
points
should
be
kept
in
mind.
T
As
you
consider
this
project,
there
was
a
question.
I
think
that
was
appropriately
raised
about
continuing
to
dialogue
with
the
neighbors.
Now
they're,
not
very
happy
with
this
tonight.
I
understand
that
they
felt
that
we
we
disregarded
what
what
they
said.
What
we
simply
said
is
not
that
we
disregarded
it
is
that
it
didn't
fit
within
a
an
appropriate
planning
project.
T
So
you
you
can
be
assured
that,
as
this
project
moves
forward
through
the
planning
process,
several
things
will
happen
among
them
being
additional
meetings
with
the
community
and
keeping
them
informed
as
to
what
what's
going
on
and
I'll
be
off
the
mic
in
just
a
second,
so
that
that,
among
other
things
in
terms
of
of
meetings
with
the
public,
but
also
the
evolution
of
this
project,
which
can
change
during
this
year
of
further
study.
Thank
you
very
much.
F
B
N
All
right
and
mr
cohen
can
answer
mr
gallagher
or
albert
cohen,
as
you
deem
fit,
and
listening
to
the
residents
this
evening,
there's
some
recurrent
in
listening
to
the
residents
this
evening.
There's
some
recurrent
concerns
about
the
project.
One
is
that
private
drive
that
runs
next
to
the
flood,
control
channel
and
the
safety,
because
there's
vehicles,
you
know
delivery
vehicles
that
go
in
and
out
from
albertsons
it
is
it
going
to
be
necessary
for
the
residents
of
this
proposed
project
to
use
that
private
drive
or
is
there
some
other
alternative.
T
T
T
T
There
are
other,
obviously
there
you
know
it's
a
shopping
center,
so
the
other
service
vehicles
that
enter
it
as
well,
but
to
the
best
of
our
knowledge
that
that
is
not
a
a
debilitating
fact.
With
regard
to
being
able
to
use
the
site,
if
you
build
retail
on
there,
the
same
situation
is
going
to
arise.
N
The
fear
that
the
cars
will
spill
out
onto
the
neighborhood
streets.
How
would
you
and
you
know,
reading
the
staff
report
according
to
the
estate
requirements,
you
have
more
parking
than
necessary,
but,
as
the
residents
mentioned
you
know,
people
do
tend
to
own
a
lot
of
cars
in
the
state
of
california.
T
Well,
I
suppose,
there's
a
couple
ways.
One
is
that
you
can
red
red
mark
the
the
curb
on
the
north
north
side
of
maurice
drive.
That's
one
factor
that
could
be
applied
and
you
can
limit
the
number
of
spaces
of
parallel
parking
on
the
private
street.
You
can
also
provide
for
the
ability
of
those
people,
because
mr
cohen
owns
the
shopping
center
to
be
able
to
utilize
for
as
necessary
spaces
in
the
what
would
be
the
southwest
corner
of
that
shopping
center.
N
Okay
and
on
this
business
of
whether
it
be
very
low
income,
low
income
or
moderate
housing,
there
would
be
no
difference
in
the
design
of
a
low
income
unit
versus
a
market
rate
unit.
T
If
you
were
walking
into
the
project
or
looking
at
it
from
the
street,
you
would
not
know
that
there's
any
difference
as
to
who
who's
living
there
and
what
their
price
range
is.
For.
One
thing
keep
in
mind
this
we're
talking,
even
if
you
talk
about
very
low
for
the
people
not
to
be
nervous
about
it,
the
point
being
that
we're
talking
about
city
employees,
we're
talking
about
postal
workers,
we're
talking
about
teachers.
T
A
H
N
All
right
and
one
one
or
two
more,
it
stated
in
the
staff
report
that
there
had
been
efforts
by
mr
cohen,
but
I.
N
A
T
T
The
the
reality
came
out
that
the
county
flood
control
district
needed
more
land
to
manage
that
flood
control
channel
in
the
back
that
caused
the
change
of
the
layout
of
this
pro
shopping
center.
Previously
albertsons
was
going
to
face
toward
reno
road
because
of
that
change
they
had
to.
They
had
to
reorient
albertsons
to
be
facing
north.
T
T
Furthermore,
if
you'll
recall
on
the
drawings
that
they
are
actually
putting
a
landscaping
feature
at
the
at
the
what
would
be
the
north
west
corner
of
maurice
and
reno
road,
so
as
you
come
in
there,
you're
going
to
have
a
low
landscaping
to
manage
the
sight
distance,
but
also,
at
the
same
time,
do
an
aesthetic
approval
beautification
of
that
entire
corner.
That
changes
the
entire
attitude
and
at
in
in
the
entrance
to
the
that
residential
area,
certainly
far
better
than
a
vacant
lot
and
and
keep
in
mind.
T
I
mean
this
may
not
resonate
with
with
our
folks
here.
But
the
point
is:
you've
got
a
vacant
lot,
if
you,
if,
if
mr
cohen
is
being
you
know,
wants
to
invest
further
in
this
neighborhood,
it's
got
to
be
something
that
is
that's
workable,
that's
economically
feasible!
That's
what
we've
attempted
to
to
do
now.
If
there's
going
to
be,
there
could
be
modifications
of
this
project
as
we
go
through
the
planning
process,
as
you
well
know,
usually
that
that
whole
process
doesn't
start
until
you
actually
file
an
application.
T
Well,
the
pre-screen
has
has
has
accelerated
that
whole
process
and
actually,
but
also
lengthens
it
by
at
least
a
year.
So
the
the
the
the
there
are
good
and
valid
reasons.
Why
that
lot,
it
remains
as
it
is,
and
it
you
know
today
you
got
to
deal
with
it
as
it
is
all.
N
S
Well,
there
there
are
standards
in
terms
of
avoiding
overcrowding
in
terms
of.
S
Per
square
foot,
it
is
very
difficult
to
to
actually
establish
the
number
of
people
that
are
living
in
a
unit.
However,
so
there
are
standards
that
we
have
applied
through
code
compliance.
T
N
S
T
T
N
T
So,
by
by
the
proper
construction,
the
the
right
choice
of
the
the
amount
of
parking
that's
available,
those
are
all
controls
over
the
very
point
that
you're
raising.
F
T
F
A
form
I
understand
that,
but
I'm
just
wondering
do
you
have
some?
Well,
maybe
you
don't
want
to
tell
me,
but
do
you
have
some
bottom
line
that
you
could
reduce
this
to
or
have
you
thought
about
that.
T
Yeah
we
we,
we
definitely
have
thought
about
it,
and-
and
there
is
no
specific
bottom
line
that
that
we're
addressing
at
this
point,
that's
really
the
function
of
going
through
the
process,
with
your
planning
department
and
and
and
lining
it
up
under
sequa.
T
So
yeah,
you
know
even
the
the
the
mix
of
units
and
the
type
of
units
could
change
during
the
planning
process,
but
that's
going
to
be
under
the
control
of
your
planning
staff
and
ultimately,
the
planning,
commission
and
yourselves.
F
I
just
wondered:
if
we'd
be
doing
you
any
favor,
I'm
sorry,
I
I'm
just
wondering
if
we
would
be
doing
you
any
favor
by
letting
you
go
forward.
The
purpose
of
this
meeting
this
red
light
green
light
hearing
is
to
give
you
a
a
tip
off
right
now
as
to
whether
or
not
you
might
be
successful
correct
a
year
from
now
or
whenever
you
get
the
final
idea
of
the
project,
I
don't
think
we
would
be
doing
you
any
favor.
T
Well,
if
you
don't,
if
you
don't
allow
a
project
to
at
least
proceed
through
the
planning
process,
then
then
what
do
you
end
up
with
you
end
up
with
a
vacant
lot
or
a
or
a
retail
project
being
built
on
that
site
which
which
he's
entitled
to
build
now
as
to
whether
it's
economically
successful
or
not?
That
time
will
tell?
T
T
T
B
B
B
There's
there's
a
number
of
folks
that
want
to
be
connected
with.
I
want
you
to
benefit
from
your
property,
but
in
the
same
regard,
not
at
the
expense
of
the
community,
as
mr
rich
wanted
to
park,
I
wouldn't
want
him
to
give
his
property
away
for
a
park
any
more
than
I
want
you
to
give
your
property
away
for
a
park.
It's
your
property.
B
I
All
right
go
ahead.
I
like
to
be
heard.
I
did
not
understood
that
this
hearing
was
supposed
to
involve
the
public.
When
I
asked
a
s,
the
junior
planning
department.
I
In
october,
I
said
we're
being
scheduled
for
public
hearing
for
this
hearing,
and
I
do
you
want
me
to
send,
send
out
public
notices
for
300
or
500
foot
radius.
He
told
me
no.
This
is
not
a
public
hearing.
This
is
just
formality
with
the
city
city
council
to
proceed.
I
was
taken
back,
but
because
this
is
a
new
process
that
the
city
has
started.
I
I
That
would
have
been
right
next
to
albertsons,
because
right
now,
next
to
albertsons
you
don't
have
anybody,
and
everybody
in
the
world
wants
to
be
right
next
to
the
albertsons,
where
10
000
people
go
through
it
every
week.
That's
where
the
people
want
to
be
when
we,
when,
when
the
city
said,
don't
worry
about
it.
We
understand
that
now
it
may
be
a
residential
use
when
the
dp
was
approved
and
stamped
by
the
city
attorney.
I
It
says
in
the
dp
it
will
be
future
residential
and
then
and
my
first
application
to
the
city
to
change
it
to
residential
was
a
plan
that
I
prepared
in
2007
11
years
ago,
and
I
submitted
it
to
the
city
back
then,
and
they
reviewed
it.
So
this
is
not
something
that
happened
two
years
ago
in
2015
I
hired
an
architect
that
lived
in
the
in
the
twin
oaks
community.
I
He
passed
away,
unfortunately,
a
year
ago
got
cancer
and
he
designed
a
bunch
of
projects
that
we
submitted
to
the
city.
Now
we
as
a
family
owner
here
we
have
40
years.
I
have
40
years
of
my
life
invested
here.
I
am
not
going
to
propose
a
project
nor
build
a
project
behind
our
shopping
center.
That's
going
to
decrease
the
value
of
our
shopping
center
or
anybody
else's
value,
I'm
proposing
a
project
that
was
worked
out
with
this
with
the
city
staff.
I
It
was
a
lot
less
than
47
when
we
started
it
went
up
there
because
things
were
added
and
they
then
they
asked
for
affordable
housing
and
they
bumped
it
up,
but
I'm
willing
to
take
less
than
47,
but
it
has
to
make
sense.
So
that's
where
we
are,
I
did
not
go
up
to
47.
Our
proposal
was
a
lot
less
than
that,
but
that's
how
it
morphed
into
47
tonight.
I
So,
besides
those
we're
proposing
37
1
000
square
foot
apartments
in
average,
37
1
000
square
foot
apartments
equals
12
to
14,
2,
000
square
foot,
town
houses
that
I
can
build.
I
can
put
25
townhouse
units
on
this
lot.
That
would
probably
make
us
more
money
because
I
don't
have
to
go
sub
training
parking.
I
don't
have
to
provide
a
lot
more
open
space.
I
I
don't
have
to
provide
a
pool,
a
jacuzzi,
a
exercise
room,
a
meeting
room,
a
hot
lot,
but
so
we
can
do
that,
but
that's
not
what
this
neighborhood
needs
or
the
city
needs.
You
need
more
reasonably
priced
housing.
I
know
the
world
affordable
is
a
no-no.
But
again,
as
far
as
I
was
concerned
tonight
I
was
told
this
is
just
the
green
light
to
proceed
and
there
will
be
negotiations
all
right.
We're
willing
to
negotiate
with
the
neighborhood.
I
They
have
they've,
always
told
they
haven't
negotiated
they've,
always
torpedoed
us
saying
we
want
no
resident,
no,
no
residential,
nothing,
nothing.
So
we
can't
negotiate
that
way.
But
then
again
I
understand
so
that's
where
we
are.
I
wasn't
trying
to
force
anything
down
anybody's
throat
or
anything.
I
was
told
that
this
is
not
supposed
to
be
a
public
hearing.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
L
Yeah,
remember
just
with
all
due
respect
to
the
applicant.
I
just
had
to
counter
a
couple
of
points
there
specifically
because
I
was
in
meetings
with
the
applicant,
the
applicant's
council
and
walked
through
what
this
process
was.
So
there
was
plenty
of
clarity
on
the
part
of
the
applicant
of
what
this
process
looked
like.
In
addition,
most
both
ms
noonan
myself
and
mr
town
asked
on
numerous
occasions
about
the
level
of
public
outreach
that
was
conducted,
and
I
can
give
first
down
accounts
to
that.
So
assertions
otherwise
are
not
accurate.
B
Thank
you,
mr
powers,
council
member
bill
de
la
pena.
P
P
The
way
I
see
it,
obviously,
high
density
is
not
really
working
for
this
particular
parcel.
In
looking
at
the
neighborhood
surrounding
this,
this
lot
you're
looking
at
very
low
density
and
medium
density.
P
Another
thing
I
wanted
to
say
is
that
medium
density
should
still
include
housing
for
teachers,
firefighters,
deputies,
nurses,
because
the
salary
they
make
is
considered
low
income.
So
when
I
hear
that,
oh
I
don't
want
my
children
to
walk
by
low-income
housing,
they're
walking
by
housing
for
deputies,
teachers
substitute
teachers,
city
employees
and
government
employees.
P
So
I
just
want
you
to
know
that
and
we
have
very
low
income
housing
in
the
city
of
thousand
oaks
that
will
put
to
shame
many
other
single-family
homes
in
the
city
of
thousand
oaks,
because
they're
beautifully
built.
So
I'd
like
to
let
you
know
that
we
have
high
standards
when
it
comes
to
low-income
housing.
Thank
you.
So
the
motion
is
to
direct
to
come
up
with
a
plan
that
is
medium
density,
reach
out
to
the
community
and
then
come
back
when
you're
ready
and
continue
to
do
it
uncertain.
N
Yeah,
I
think
we
ought
to
discuss
this
motion.
I
mean
we've
listened
to
the
community
members
here
for
many
hours
and
I
think
it
is
incumbent
upon
each
one
of
us
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
it.
Go
ahead.
I
completely
agree
with
you
about
the
low
income
housing,
that's
workforce
housing.
We
need
workforce
housing,
we
need-
and
I've
heard
it
over
and
over
again.
We
need
housing
for
our
teachers
for
police
officers
for
city
workers.
N
You
name
it
so
this
business
of
some
sort
of
a
negative
feeling
about
that
is
just
not
justified,
but
that's
that's
more
of
an
editorial
comment.
N
I
don't
want
to
shut
the
door
on
this
thing.
I
think
that,
listening
to
mr
cohen,
just
now
and
some
of
the
concerns
that
brought
up
the
residents,
I
think
they
can
be
addressed.
I
think,
there's
a
potential
to
perhaps
reduce
density
or
maybe,
as
you
said,
mr
cohen
change
it
from
apartments
to
condos.
N
It
just
seems
like
there's
areas
we
haven't
really
explored,
yet
that
could
be
explored
without
shutting
the
door
completely
on
this
project,
I
mean
before
we
had
this
plea.
You
know
whether
you
like
this
pre-screening
or
not.
It
was
adopted,
so
you,
the
residents
and
we,
the
city
council,
could
have
input
into
a
project
before
it
went
into
the
whole
development
process.
So
that's
why
we're
here
today?
That's
a
benefit.
That's
a
plus
to
all
of
us.
N
In
the
old
days.
This
would
have
been
in
the
community
development
department
right
now
and
then
it
would
have
gone
to
the
planning
commission,
then
the
city
council.
So
at
least
now
we
can
discuss
it
before
all
that
happens,
but
yeah,
I,
I
think,
there's
room
to
make
this
thing
work,
but
there
are
some
concerns.
Obviously
that
have
to
be
addressed
this
and
I
brought
them
up.
The
private
drive
the
parking,
the
commercial
versus
residential,
the
density
which
we've
heard
over
and
over
again.
N
So
I
want
to
find
a
way
to
not
shut
the
door,
but
continue
to
you
know,
evolve
with
this
project
and
no
you're
not
shining
the
door
cloudy,
and
I
appreciate
that.
But
it's
not
shutting
the
door
where
we
grant
the
pre-screen,
so
the
door
isn't
shut.
Or
are
you
suggesting
that
we
do
something
completely
different.
N
P
N
B
N
D
Thank
you
mayor.
I
agree
100
with
the
comments
on
the
low
income.
This.
This
is
a
misnomer.
It's
really
workforce
housing.
D
We
we
need
housing
for
our
people
who
work
here
in
town
who
have
incomes
less
than
average,
but
still
good
size
incomes.
I
want
that
to
happen
for
our
for
our
neighborhood.
I
want
that
to
be
part
of
what
we
plan
into
the
future.
D
Mr
cohan,
I
am,
I
am
a
supporter
of
private
rights
for
for
property.
I
I
think
that
being
able
to
develop
that
property
is
something
that
you
have
a
right
to
with.
That
said,
I
think
the
comments
from
our
from
our
people
in
town,
we
haven't
verified
the
petition
of
480
people
in
that
area,
but
that's
a
substantial
number
of
people
who
may
or
may
not
be
here.
D
That
is
something
that
we
can't
ignore,
either
I'm
not
sure
if
I'm
willing
to
go
as
far
as
miss
de
la
pena
and
saying
that
we
you
know,
we
only
entertain
a
medium
density
project,
but
I
think
the
project
has
to
be
somewhat
scaled
for
the
neighborhood.
D
I
got
to
be
honest.
Looking
at
the
apartment
house,
it
looks
a
little
monolithic
to
me
as
it
was
presented,
but
that's
just
looking
at
the
elevations.
I
would
like
to
see
this
project
go
forward
as
residential.
D
I
would
like
to
see
some
aspect
of
it
be
able
to
be
afforded
by
people
who
our
workforce
have
workforce
housing
needs.
I
think
residential
is
the
proper
use
for
that
property,
but
we
have
to
scale
this
for
the
neighborhood.
We
have
to
scale
it
to
include
the
neighbors
in
part
of
what
they
would
like
to
see.
There.
F
Just
like
to
say,
I
agree
with
the
motion,
and
I
agree
with
the
sentiments
that
were
expressed
both
by
councilman
engler
and
council
and
bill
de
la
pena.
F
F
The
first
time
I
heard
realtors
and
I
apologized
to
any
realtors
here
that
they
were
bragging
about
how
high
the
prices
were
getting
here
and
they'd
show
pictures
that
never
appealed
to
me.
You
know
I'd
like
to
see
the
firemen
and
the
teacher
and
the
policeman
and
everybody
be
able
to
afford
to
live
here.
F
But
it
seems
to
me
that
councilwoman
bildel
pena's
motion
would
achieve
that.
I
know
we
can't
ask
the
developer
right
now
if
he
agrees
with
that,
but
but
I
I
do
think
that
that
corner
should
be
housing,
and
you
know,
maybe
I
want
the
impossible
by
going
to
medium
density
and
still
having
something
that
is
affordable.
I
mean
I
don't
know
what
that
would
end
up
costing,
but
the
the
current
plan
looks
a
little
too
dense
to
me.
So
I
support
the
motion.
N
Thank
you
mayor.
I
wonder
if
what
sounds
like
well,
we
haven't
heard
from
mayor
mccoy,
yet
would
you
like
to
before
I
comment?
Would
you
like
to
make
a
comment
or.
B
N
N
Claudio
or
council
member
builder,
the
pen,
you
pardon
me,
would
by
saying
medium
density,
though
that
restricts
it
to
a
certain
number,
would
would
you
would
it
be
more
appropriate?
Do
you
think
to
have
it
a
little
more
open-ended
density
that
is
compatible
with
the
neighborhood
or
suitable
with
the
neighborhood
versus
that
particular
category?
You
see
what
I'm
getting
at
I
mean
again.
N
N
P
N
I
think
we
all
agree
that
the
high
density
proposal
troubles
us,
but
I'm
just
thinking
what
is
the
number
of
medium
density?
Could
you
tell
me
please
25.
B
S
N
Okay,
maybe
that'll
work,
I
don't
know,
but
I
like
I
said
I
I
just
wonder
if
we
couldn't
make
that
a
little
looser.
N
Don't
know
I
that
I
don't
know
I
don't
know
but,
like
I
said
I
I
wonder
if
we
couldn't,
it
would
just
give
more
room
to
be
able
to
work
on
the
number
of
units
versus
saying,
okay
max
25.
That's
it.
B
B
N
D
No,
I
I
think
we've
made
it
very,
very
clear
that
the
density
level
at
which
was
presented
tonight
is
not
going
to
fly
yes
without
a
doubt
both
on
terms
of
what
the
our
public
input
has
been
and
input
coming
from
the
diocese
that
will
not
fly
at
that
level.
D
I
think
I
would
agree
a
little
bit
with
you,
council,
member
council,
member
adams,
that
I
would
like
to
see
what
they
would
come
back
with
without
a
a
a
hard
fast
number,
but
at
a
higher
density
that
has
been
proposed.
It
just
will
not
go.
B
S
S
F
F
S
F
S
S
We're
seeing
is
is
that,
with
with
condominium
type
projects,
we
don't
see
many
if
any
affordable
units
that
typically
apply
to
apartment
projects.
B
S
B
P
Zoning
because
it
is
completely
surrounded
by
low
density
and
medium
density,
yeah.
N
N
Well,
that's
true!
Well,
my
sense
is
that
the
medium
density
motion
looks
rather
strong
right
now.
I.
P
P
B
All
right
now
we
need
a
motion
to
continue
past
11
o'clock
so
moved.
Madam
clerk,
will
you
prepare
the
vote.
B
B
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
members
of
the
council,
due
to
the
late
hour,
this
is
going
to
be
a
highly
expedited
presentation.
Council
is
being
asked
to
consider
two
items
tonight.
One
is
the
award
of
contract
for
transit
services.
The
other
is
a
comprehensive
package
of
revenue,
enhancements
cost
cutting
to
address
an
ongoing
fare
box
shortfall
issue.
B
As
this
slide
shows,
our
budget
for
this
year
for
services
is
approximately
six
million
dollars
and
we
are
seeing
a
continuing
increase
in
service
costs,
including
costs
with
our
new
contract,
which
is
resulting
in
an
ongoing
fare
box
shortfall
issue.
B
The
first
item
is
to
award
the
contract
and
the
contract
costs
are
shown
on
this
slide
the
year.
One
contract
for
the
lowest
proposal
was
5.9
million
dollars,
which
is
approximately
1.
million
dollars
more
than
what
we
are
currently
paying
for.
Our
current
services
staff
is
proposing
a
number
of
revenue
enhancements
to
address
our
ongoing
fare
box
shortfall,
the
first
one
being
a
proposed
increase
to
our
base
bus
fares
and
our
local
dial-a-ride
fares
to
generate
additional
income.
B
So
we
are
proposing
some
trimming
of
service
hours
without
trimming
any
of
the
existing
services
in
the
community.
These
proposed
service
cuts
should
generate
approximately
350
000
worth
of
overall
operations
savings
while
creating
an
additional
seventy
thousand
dollar
reduction
in
our
approximately
four
hundred.
Fifty
thousand
dollar
fare
box
shortfall.
B
If
council
considers
all
of
the
recommendations
the
staff
has
proposed,
we
should
be
able
to
trim
approximately
seventy
thousand
dollars
of
the
budgeted
fare
box
shortfall
for
the
upcoming
fiscal
year,
which
we
expect
to
continue
for
some
time,
based
upon
operational
cost
and
ongoing
ridership,
and
with
that
staff
is
available
for
questions.
Also,
representatives
of
the
contractor
are
also
available.
If
you
have
any
questions.
B
Thank
you,
council
questions,
council
mayor
pro
tem
adam.
N
Yeah,
thank
you
for
the
report.
Obviously
I'd
rather
not
subsidize
the
bus
system
with
the
general
fund,
if
at
all
possible
and
based
on
the
staff
report,
we're
looking
at
some
shortfalls
in
19
and
20,
looked
like
as
much
as
450
000,
that's
correct.
O
N
Right
so
I
know
we're
suggesting
a
fair
increase
which
we
haven't
done
since
2012
and
it's
a
nominal
fare
increase
which
would
raise.
I
think,
116
000
we're
talking
about
changing
service
hours
to
cut
back
a
little
bit
on
the
times
when
they
aren't
being
utilized
as
much
and
that's
going
to
save
us
some
money
so
and
changing
a
few
policy
items.
So
what
I'm
getting
at
is
we
do
all
this?
Are
we
going
to
close
the
shortfall
and
not
have
to
use
the
general
fund.
G
B
N
Okay,
I
don't
think
we're
any
different
than
any
other
city.
Ridership
seems
to
be
stagnant
at
best
yep
and
but
costs
keep
rising.
So
we've
got
to
find
a
way.
To
I
mean
our
general
fund
has
enough
pressure
on
it
now
and
I'd
rather
see
you
know
some
targeted
increases
in
fares
and
cuts
and
hours
to
get
make
the
thing
run
because
you
know
let's
face
it.
If
this
was
a
private
enterprise,
it
wouldn't
be
operating.
N
B
Thank
you
mayor
pro
tem
council
member
bill
de
la
pena.
B
B
Certainly,
elimination
of
a
route
would
be
a
significant
cost
savings
and
what
staff
is
proposing
is
really
the
equivalent
of
eliminating
close
to
an
entire
route,
a
route
cost
about
a
half
a
million
dollars
a
year
to
operate.
However,
keep
in
mind,
we
have
some
of
the
highest
length
timed
routes
of
any
community
in
the
county
right
now,
given
our
large
physical
geographical
area
that
we're
trying
to
cover.
So
it
would
be
really
impactful.
B
D
Many
of
our
residents
who
utilize
our
bus
services,
both
the
dialer
ride
and
the
regular
bus
services
are,
are
our
kids
going
to
school
and
then
our
our
most
disadvantaged
people
who
either
do
not
have
a
vehicle
or
who
are
ahead
or
are
need
the
bus
because
they
can't
drive.
D
Are
we
making
sure
that
we're
taking
care
of
those
people
with
our
new
schedule?
I
know
that
it's
very
low
on
the
on
the
side
hours,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
take
care
of
the
people
who
need
the
bus.
B
Thank
you
you're
most
welcome,
it
doesn't
appear
very.
There
are
any
more
council
questions.
We
have
one
public
speaker,
jim
schultzman,.
G
B
D
I'll
make
this
as
quick
as
I
can.
Thank
you.
We
did
go
up
to
paso
robles
over
the
last
friday
for
the
account
for
the
league
of
cities
meeting
it's
interesting
to
attend
these
meetings
and
that
we
find
that
the
issues
that
we
wrestle
with
here
in
thousand
oaks
are
generally
felt
across
the
the
entire
state.
Up
in
the
league
of
cities
was
happy
to
report
that
sb
50
has
been
tabled
for
a
year
and
that
the.
D
That's
that's
the
extent
of
my
report
and
I
appreciate
this
council
sending
me
up
there
to
to
learn
a
little
bit
more.
B
Thank
you,
councilmember.
Do
you
have
any
follow-up
items,
mr
powers.
L
Just
very
briefly,
our
next
regularly
scheduled
council
meeting
will
be
three
weeks
from
tonight.
The
11th
of
june
currently
have
a
public
hearing
on
our
operating
and
cip
budgets.
Our
annual
attachment
of
delinquent
wastewater
liens
to
property
tax
rolls
and
leveling
of
assessments.
L
B
M
You
mayor,
we
have
two
close
sessions
tonight.
Both
of
them
are
confronts,
with
legal
counsel,
on
existing
litigation.
First,
one
is
city,
a
thousand
oaks
versus
valencia
circle,
k,
writing
stables
pursuant
to
government
code,
section
54956.98
and
the
second
one
is
valencia.
Circle
k
writing
staples
versus
city
of
thousand
oaks.
Pursuant
to
government
code,
section
54956.98,
it
is
unlikely
I'll,
have
anything
to
report.
B
Thank
you,
miss
noonan.
Before
we
conclude
tonight,
I
just
want
to
tell
anyone
who's
still
awake
or
listening
on
june
6
will
be
the
75th
anniversary
of
d-day
and
we've
we've
got
some
some
survivors
of
the
invasion
of
normandy
d-day
and
we'll
be
covering
that
in
the
coming
days.
So
thank
you.
Everyone
long
night
and
we'll
see
you
next
meeting.