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We
have
a
special
presentation.
Announcements.
I
would
like
to
come
around
to
the
podium
if
I
may
Madam
clerk.
Is
that
correct?
Okay,
let
me
come
around.
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Proclamation,
recognizing
a
day
that
is
synonymous
with
the
character
of
our
city,
Earth
Day
is
recognized
in
192
countries
around
the
world
to
celebrate
and
pledge
and
to
protect
our
natural
environment
in
Thousand
Oaks.
We
combine
this
event
with
Arbor
Day,
in
which
we
commit
to
preserving
and
enhancing
our
Urban
forests.
This
will
be
the
city's
23rd
annual
recognition
of
Arbor
Day
and
we
will
Pro
when
we
pride
ourselves
on
our
commitment
to
environmental
sustainability,
both
in
our
Municipal
operations
and
in
our
community.
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Thank
you,
mayor
McNamee
and
members
of
the
council.
Yes,
the
city
is
once
again
hosting
its
annual
Arbor
Earth
Day
celebration.
This
year's
event
will
take
place
on
Saturday
April
15th
at
Thousand
Oaks
Community
Park,
which
is
right
next
to
Thousand
Oaks
High
School.
The
event
will
run
from
9
A.M
to
1
p.m.
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The
bicycle
Rodeo,
which
is
a
bicycle
safety
course,
will
be
on
hand
again
this
year
and
crpd
will
be
accepting
used
bikes
for
donation,
which
they
donate
to
under
underserved
youth
in
the
community.
There
will
be
live,
music,
Raffles
and
and
much
more
so,
and
the
city
sustainability
division
will
be
seeking
resident
input
regarding
climate
action
and
EV
charger
locations.
So
it's
a
free
event.
It's
a
family-friendly
event.
We
invite
you
all
to
come
out,
celebrate
the
environment
and
have
some
fun.
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C
This
is
the
time
and
place
for
public
comments.
Speakers
are
requested
to
State
their
name
and
community
of
residence
for
the
record.
Two
individuals
have
requested
to
speak
and
pursue
it
to
council
standards.
Speakers
are
allowed
three
minutes.
The
yellow
light
displays
when
you
have
one
minute
remaining.
B
I
I'm
Bob
Ayers
I
live
here
in
Thousand
Oaks
I've
spoken
here
several
times
about
a
situation
on
my
block,
especially
a
drug
house
directly
across
the
street.
From
me,
for
over
two
years
we
watched
drugs
bought,
sold
and
used
out
of
that
home.
We've
watched
ambulances,
fire
trucks,
police
come
to
the
house
multiple
times.
We've
watched
people
get
arrested
for
weapons
charges
and
possessing
Fentanyl
and
heroin
with
intent
to
sell.
We
even
had
our
streets
shut
down
by
the
Los
Angeles
Police
Department,
with
machine
guns
and
armored
vehicles.
I
While
a
suspected
murderer
was
arrested
at
this
home,
it's
been
a
nightmare
affecting
our
health
and
affecting
our
quality
of
life,
but
tonight
I'm
not
really
here
to
talk
about
that.
Instead
I'm
here
to
thank
Commander
Paris
and
his
entire
department
for
doing
such
an
amazing
job,
helping
us
deal
with
the
situation,
they
stayed
on
it.
They
never
made
me
feel
like
that.
Guy
who
continually
called
the
non-emergency
line,
reporting
suspicious
activity
every
time
I
called
they
came
over
the
two
years.
They
arrested
a
lot
of
people
out
of
that
house.
I
In
fact,
today
the
two
people
who
own
the
house
are
both
in
jail
with
multiple
charges,
including
felony,
counts
right
now,
the
Street's
quiet.
Thank
you
all.
You
cops
in
addition
to
the
police,
other
agencies,
including
code
enforcement,
the
TPO,
Water,
Division,
animal
control
and
Social
Services
all
have
responded
to
our
concerns
at
this
house,
working
together,
along
with
the
other
neighbors
on
My
Block.
We
have
made
a
difference,
so
my
point
is
Thousand.
I
Oaks
has
the
ability
to
be
a
model
City
where
people
are
not
afraid
or
too
busy
to
get
involved
to
is
our
home,
and
when
my
family
moved
here
over
30
years
ago,
it
was
a
dream.
The
community
was
so
committed
to
keeping
it
safe
and
clean
I'm,
not
saying
people
don't
want
that
anymore,
but
being
committed
requires
action.
The
police
and
the
city
officials
cannot
do
that
alone.
I
Again,
I
didn't
like
reporting
what
I
suspected,
but
the
police
thanked
me
and
it
took
some
bad
guys
off
the
street,
which
makes
it
safer
for
me
you
the
cops
and
all
our
families.
The
police
can't
see
everything
and
be
everywhere
all
the
time.
I
was
just
making
phone
calls,
but
maybe
there
are
some
ways
as
residents.
We
can
become
more
organized
and
proactive
in
this
regard.
So
please
get
involved.
The
citizens
of
to
can
make
a
difference.
We've
got
to
look
out
for
each
other
and
be
kind
to
each
other.
I
I
have
children
and
grandchildren
here
and
I
want
Thousand
Oaks
to
be
that
dream.
City
the
clean
and
Safe
Community
that
I
remember
once
again,
the
police
and
the
code
enforcement
need
our
help.
So
if
you're,
tired
of
looking
at
that
vial
of
trash
and
your
neighbors
in
your
yards
for
months
call
code
enforcement,
it's
their
job,
they
can't
be
everywhere
at
once.
So
let's
help
them
protect
the
value
of
our
properties
and
our
quality
of
life,
and
thank
you
guys,
a
bunch
and
to
the
cops
out
there.
All
of
you.
B
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We
want
to
recognize
this
person
who
has
been
such
a
champion
for
our
business
Community
for
a
number
of
years,
but
especially
over
these
last
two
years
and
is
passionate
about
a
number
of
different
things
that
go
into
our
economic
environment,
including
housing,
jobs
and
quality
of
life,
and
we
feel
that
this
person
deserves
to
be
recognized
for
all
of
their
work,
both
on
the
dice,
as
well
as
in
the
community
championing
the
Arts.
J
As
one
of
the
founders,
the
the
100
founders
of
the
alliance
for
the
Arts,
as
well
as
their
work
with
the
YMCA
and
so
Al
Adam,
we
are
very
excited
to
announce
you
or
did
that.
Did
that
ring
a
bell
at
all
all
that
work.
You've
done
we're
very
excited
to
honor
you
as
our
Man
of
the
Year
at
our
upcoming
Gala.
So
congratulations,
I
have
some
helpers.
B
K
Sure
thank
you
mayor,
first
of
all,
I'd
like
to
thank
the
resident
Bob
Ayers
for
calling
in
just
to
express
his
appreciation
for
our
our
Sheriff's
Office
and
the
leadership
under
Jeremy
Paris
and
mobilizing
his
officers
to
respond
to
the
home
in
which
he
had
concerns,
and
also
just
a
hats
off
to
our
community
development
team.
You
know
we
do
take
pride
in
the
work
that
we
provide
here
as
a
city
and
being
responsive
to
the
needs
of
our
residents.
K
So
I
really
appreciate
him
calling
in
to
express
his
appreciation
and
then
lastly,
I
certainly
would
like
to
congratulate
our
mayor,
Pro
tem,
Al
Adam,
on
his
recognition
Danielle
reached
out
to
me
earlier
today,
and
it
took
everything
in
me
just
to
keep
it
quiet
and
I
was
looking
forward
to
seeing
the
surprise
look
on
your
face.
So
congratulations.
B
Thank
you.
Next,
we'll
move
to
consent,
calendar
10..
Are
there
any
questions
or
anything
that
wants
to
be
pulled
from
council
members,
nope
we're
good,
let's
move
into
then
the
next
is
that
we
need
a
motion
and
do
we
have
any
speakers
on
this?
No
could
I
have
a
motion
to
accept
the
consent.
Calendar
move
the
consent,
calendar
consent.
Calendar
has
been
moved,
Madam.
L
M
C
B
N
B
B
K
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
mayor,
take
this
moment
to
introduce
Michelle
McMurtry
to
the
city
council.
This
is
her
first
presentation
to
this
group.
She
Michelle
leads
up
some
of
our
administrative
and
communication
and
operational
efforts
in
the
Community
Development
Department.
She
has
a
very
busy
job
of
keeping
all
of
those
different
divisions.
K
You
know
working
together
and
you
know
we
really
take
pride
in
providing
stretch
opportunities
for
our
staff,
so
we
wanted
to
give
Michelle
a
warm
welcome.
I
think
you'll
be
pleased
with
this
item
because
it's
one
of
the
tangible
outcomes
from
your
investment
and
our
Land
Management
System.
So
with
that
I
will
turn
it
over
to
Michelle.
O
The
city
of
Thousand
Oaks
Municipal
Code
requires
residential
sellers
to
provide
the
buyers
with
a
report
of
Residential
Building
records
for
the
property
to
assure
that
buyers
are
aware
of
any
construction
that
may
have
been
accomplished
without
permits
and
inspection
as
the
city
transitions
to
Reliance
on
its
new
Land
Management
System
to
24.
This
information
can
be
gathered
online
without
burdening
private
parties
with
the
cost
and
wait
time
of
having
staff
generate
the
report
for
them.
O
This
requirement
was
to
be
met
prior
to
the
sale
or
exchange
of
a
residential
property.
In
1986
city
council
adopted
ordinance
number
932
NS
replacing
chapter
12
of
Title
VII
of
the
Thousand
Oaks
Municipal
Code.
The
revised
ordinance
continued
to
require
a
report
of
Records
but
removed
the
mandatory
inspection
requirement
allowing
for
voluntary
on-site
inspections
for
an
additional
fee.
O
O
When
the
report
of
Residential
Building
records
program
came
into
existence,
the
only
way
for
a
home
buyer
to
find
complete
building
records
on
a
residence
was
through
City
staff,
with
a
fee
to
be
paid
by
the
resident
and
with
a
wait
time
to
receive
the
records.
Now
with
the
introduction
of
the
new
virtual
self-service
system
to
24.
These
records
are
available
for
anyone
to
retrieve
24
hours
a
day,
seven
days
per
week
and
at
no
cost
to
the
resident
saving
the
resident,
valuable
time
and
money
by
removing
unneeded
fees
on
home
transactions.
O
In
this
challenging
housing
market
on
December
20th
2022
staff
met
with
representatives
from
the
kanejo
Simi
Moore
Park
Association
of
Realtors.
As
representatives
of
this
entity,
they
expressed
support
of
the
repeal
identifying
simplification
of
the
real
estate
transaction
process,
as
well
as
cost
savings
for
residents
as
their
basis
of
support.
O
N
Evening,
Mr
mayor
council
members,
thank
you,
staff,
I
think
basically,
I
just
have
to
speak
to
our
support.
As
the
representative
of
the
kanejo
C
me,
Moore,
Park,
Association
of
Realtors,
we
feel
like
this
will
streamline
the
transaction
process,
while
certainly
giving
residents
and
potential
buyers
the
access
to
the
information
they
need
to
make
an
educated
decision
when
it
comes
to
such
an
important
purchase
as
a
home.
So
thank
you
very
much
to
the
staff
and
I'm
here.
If
you
have
any
questions
for
me
about
this.
B
Q
Well,
thank
you
mayor,
well,
Our
Land,
Management
System
is
starting
to
pay
off
already,
which
I'm
glad
to
see
we
go
from
82
dollars
to
free,
can't
beat
that
and
we
go
from
10
days
to
gather
information
to
instantly.
So
those
are
two
big
steps.
I
think
and
I
would
like,
with
that
in
mind
like
to
move
11a.
B
I
would
like
to
share
the
following:
is
that
Wall
Street
Journal
article
a
few
years
back
pointed
out
that
the
cost
of
housing,
27
percent
of
it
is
due
to
government
and
every
second,
you
delay
in
getting
a
project
to
move
forward
drives
up
the
price
of
that
project.
That,
in
turn
drives
up
the
price
of
housing
and
by
going
over
to
this
management
system,
eliminates
and
reduces
down
a
lot
of
the
wait
time
in
a
development
project
making
projects
less
expensive
in
the
city
and
as
council
member
Adam
pointed
out.
B
Not
only
is
it
the
fee
to
access
that
information,
but
also
the
time
delay
of
waiting
10
days
or
longer
to
obtain
that
information.
So
I
think
this
is
a
giant
step
to
help
reduce
the
cost
of
government
in
driving
up
the
cost
of
housing
here
in
Thousand
Oaks.
That's
where
we
need
to
be
in
making
government
more
efficient,
Mr
Newman
any
comments
we
good.
B
Alrighty
so
let's
have
a
motion
on
the
floor:
Madam
clerk
council.
M
M
C
C
Hearing
advertised,
as
required
by
law,
is
open
to
consider
agenda
item
11b
proposed
27
unit
apartment,
complex
expansion.
Speakers
are
requested
to
State
their
name
for
the
record.
Five
individuals
have
presented
speaker
cards
and
pursuant
to
council
standards,
each
speaker
will
have
five
minutes.
Thank.
B
S
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor
Mazar
slam,
singer
planning
from
the
Department
of
lead
the
presentation
myself,
a
chief
assistant,
City,
Attorney,
Patrick,.
T
T
Just
a
brief
background:
the
site
itself
is
157
Acres,
as
I
mentioned,
it's
a
parcel
located
on
kanejo,
sorry,
Rancho,
Conejo,
Boulevard
and
Corporate
Center
Drive,
just
where
that
T
intersection
is,
and
it's
also
adjacent
and
north
of
1300
Rancho
Conejo.
It's
currently
undeveloped
and
has
been
previously
graded.
The
Topography
is
relatively
flat
and
unimproved.
It
sits
approximately
level
with
Conejo
Boulevard.
T
And
again,
A
Brief
History,
here
back
in
January
28
2020,
the
general
plan
amendment
was
initiated
to
2020
726
by
city
council
that
allowed
for
the
measure
e
units
47
to
be
allocated
to
this
to
this
project.
Only
27
of
those
units,
however,
are
being
used
for
the
project
following
that
and
in
May
the
formal
submittals
started
coming
in
and
on
February
27th
of
this
year
we
did
have
the
Planning
Commission
hearing
and
that
also
voted,
and
that
was
that
record
well.
The
vote
was
to
recommend
approval.
T
Sorry,
a
little
bit
about
a
project
process
itself.
The
pre-screen
procedure
city
council
did
approve
the
concept
back
in
January
2020
and,
as
I
said,
formal
applications
did
come
in
May
all
prerequisites,
having
been
satisfied,
the
Planning
Commission,
having
made
recommendation
of
approval
to
the
city
council.
T
This
is
some
of
the
surrounding
land
uses.
As
you
can
see,
the
site
located
here
is
surrounded
by
industrial
uses,
to
the
Pleasures
to
the
west
and
south,
with
some
residential
uses
to
the
north
and,
of
course,
the
Arroyo
via
Apartments
here
to
the
to
the
north,
just
adjacent
to
the
site.
T
In
summation,
the
project
is
a
three
see
three
two-story
apartment
buildings,
totaling
27
units
with
51
total
parking
spaces
which
meets
the
standards
for
parking
code
and
also
a
parcel
merger
with
the
adjacent
Apartments
to
the
north
and
that's
going
to
be
a
con
condition.
Sorry,
a
conditional
requirement.
T
The
architecture
is
of
Mediterranean
Revival
style.
Some
of
the
materials
include
smooth
texture
plaster,
enhanced
trim
around
the
openings.
It's
two
levels
of
living
area
with
tuck
under
parking
at
the
back.
This
is
the
front
elevation
that
you're
looking
at
front
or
west
elevation
and
directly
on
Conejo
Rancho
Boulevard.
T
Here's
a
table
again
just
showing
some
of
our
Arena
requirements
and
where
we're
at
in
this
case
these
are
going
to
be
or
they're
going
to
propose
four
affordable
units.
The
affordability
is
in
the
moderate
category
and
it
does
fill
fill
up
that
the
category
that
you
see
here,
we're
in
deficit
of
522.
T
Foreign
again
just
kind
of
a
little
bit
more
about
the
project
itself.
There
are
private,
usable,
Open
Spaces.
These
are
I'm
just
going
to
kind
of
share
what
they
are
by
unit
type.
So
we've
got
well
again:
11
one
bedrooms,
12
two
bedrooms
and
four
three
bedrooms.
The
three
bedrooms
do
have
77
square
feet
for
dedicated
for
private
private
usable
space
and
the
two
bedroom
have
anywhere
from
66
to
70.,
and
the
one
bedrooms
have
66
square
feet.
T
We
should
note
that
the
60
66
square
foot
minimum
does
fall
below
the
100
square
foot
minimum,
which
is
Thousand
Oaks
Municipal
Code
standard.
In
addition,
the
seven
foot
minimum
Dimension
is
not
being
met
by
just
one
foot,
so
the
minimum
Dimension
here
that
they're
proposing
is
six
foot
with
that.
There
are
two
waivers
being
requested.
T
This
is
just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
what
what
these
private
Open
Spaces
would
look
like.
As
you
can
see
the
minimum
Dimension
here
being
70
or
seven
feet.
Seven
inches
by
10
feet
is
still
a
very
usable
space.
It
does
have
room
for
some
outdoor
furniture
and
one
can
enjoy
the
space
as
it's
designed
this
would.
These
would
be
more
or
less
the
ground
unit
patios,
and
this.
This
diagram
here
shows
you
what
the
balcony
may
look
like
again.
T
There
is
a
smaller
dimension
of
six
foot,
six
inches
down
again
from
seven
feet,
six
inches
only
and
with
the
with
a
10
foot
Dimension
there
to
give
us
the
66
square
feet.
T
It
should
also
be
noted
that
Steph
has
seen
a
trend
with
these
kind
of
getting
smaller
as
the
living
units
themselves
get
smaller.
It
follows
reason
at
proportionally
speaking,
these
Open
Spaces
do
get
smaller
and
we've
approved
quite
a
few
of
these,
along
with
other
residential
projects.
T
I
should
say
we
approve
these
waivers,
along
with
other
presidential
projects
to
help
kind
of
offset
this
waiver.
There
are
some
on-site
amenities.
It
does
include
a
barbecue
and
picnic
area.
In
addition,
since
this
is
going
to
be
an
expansion
of
an
existing
apartment
complex,
they
are
going
to
be
able
to,
or
this
project
will
be
able
to
share
the
existing
amenities,
such
as
the
pool
area,
fitness
center
and
other
other
features.
There's
also
I
think
a
children's
play
area
as
well
to
the
north
and
that'll
be
part
of
this
project.
T
Eventually,
as
I
mentioned
parking
is
parked
at
Thousand
Oaks
code
standards.
The
plans
that
you've
had
may
look
or
may
show
three
additional
spaces.
It
should
be
noted.
Those
three
additional
spaces
are
for
the
purposes
of
filling
in
spaces
that
would
be
lost
on
the
adjacent
parcel
to
have
that
connection.
T
So
there's
going
to
be
three
spaces
on
the
adjacent
sparsals
that
will
there
will
actually
be
removed
because
I'm
going
to
have
a
roadway
to
come
through
our
Drive
aisle,
and
so
those
are
three
additional
spaces
will
go
to
replace
that
in
the
end
both
or
the
units
or
sorry,
the
project
will
be
parked
at
the
standard.
T
This
is
just
to
talk
about
the
protected
trees
on
site.
These
are
actually
off-site,
but
so
I
apologize
for
that
title.
There
is
an
oak
tree,
just
North,
which
is
going
to
be
part
of
the
project
once
the
parcels
are
merged
and
there
are
two
sycamore
trees
just
located
to
I
believe
to
the
East
and
those
are
on
on
private
property.
T
They
were
considered
as
part
of
the
project
because
the
actions
or
the
improvements
made
by
the
project
themselves
would
impact
these
trees,
and
so
we
we
wanted
to
be
careful
that
it
was
done
in
a
way
not
to
not
to
harm
the
trees
and
here's
kind
of
a
diagram
of
what
they
are
like
I
mentioned.
These
two
trees
are
are
off
site.
This
is
off-site,
but
of
course
it
will
be
part
of
the
site
once
once
these
two
Parcels
are
merged.
T
For
Community
benefits,
I've
already
mentioned
that
there
are
going
to
be
four
affordable
units.
They
are
in
a
moderate
income
range
category
and
if
in
case
we
don't
know
what
that
is,
that's
120
of
the
Ventura
County,
medium
income,
15,
that
represents
15
percent
of
the
27
base
units,
which
leaves
23
market
rate
units.
T
Also,
as
part
of
the
recommended
approval,
we
do
have
an
amendment
to
the
specific
plan
07
and
then
what
that's
going
to
do
is
just
want
to
bring
in
a
little
closer.
It
does
change
the
existing
you,
which
has
a
I
believe
an
industrial
use
now
to
our
employment
Park
to
e
Apartments.
T
R
You
mentioned
that
there
was
an
initial
allocation
of
47
units
out
of
measure
e
and
that
this
project
is
27
units,
so
I
presume
that
means
that
the
unused
20
units
go
back
in
the
Missouri
Bank.
Is
that
correct.
T
D
If
I
could
just
jump
in
and
augment
Mr
Slim's
comments,
the
measuring
allocation
is
actually
based
on
the
acreage
of
the
parcel
times
the
maximum
density
for
that
parcel.
In
this
case,
it
was
1.57
Acres
times,
30
Acres.
The
allocation
itself
that
comes
out
of
the
measuring
capacity
is
the
47
units
and
those
the
balancing
and
use
units
do
not
get
returned,
so
those
are
used
as
part
of
the
project
site.
R
All
right,
thanks
very
much
for
that.
My
final
two
questions
I'll
ask
of
the
applicant
as
well
you,
as
you
noted,
there
are
four
affordable
units
in
this
project.
That's
they
are
affordable.
They
are
at
the
top
end
of
the
affordability,
Specter
being
moderate
income
units
I'm
wondering
during
negotiations
for
this
project.
If
City
asks
either
a
or
more
horrible
units
and
or
more
different
types
of
income
classes
in
to
be
allocated
in
this
year.
As
part
of
this
project.
U
Good
evening,
mayor
and
council
members
and
good
evening,
council
member
Newman,
the
answer
to
your
question
is
yes,
that
there
was
a
negotiation
that
included
a
lot
of
different
back
and
forth
this.
This
project
and
this
agreement
took
a
I,
would
say
a
few
months
to
actually
finalize,
ultimately,
as
you
know,
councilmember
Newman,
but
for
the
public
when
you
deal
with
a
development
agreement,
you're
you're
certainly
looking
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
because
there
are
various
factors
that
go
into
play
when
you're
negotiating
and
looking
at
a
project.
U
In
this
case,
we
actually
had
a
very
small
project.
We
felt
that,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
with
the
fact
that
they
were
adding
this
apartment
complex
as
27
units
to
a
much
larger
complex
and
going
to
benefit
and
and
include
a
connection
to
that
other
project,
we
felt
that
looking
at
all
those
circumstances
and
the
fact
that
the
development
agreement
is
going
to
set
a
timeline
for
them,
this
thing
to
be
built.
U
B
B
V
Good
evening,
thank
you,
mayor,
council,
members
and
staff.
My
name
is
Doug
Griffith
I
live
in
Santa,
Monica,
California
and
I.
Think
I
thought
I
would
give
just
a
little
bit
of
history
on
Chappelle
as
well
as
the
project.
So
if
we've
owned,
we
built
Royal,
Villas
back
and
I
believe
it
was
about
1995.
and
our
business
model
is
to
hold
all
of
our
properties
in
perpetuity
still
a
family-owned
company.
V
We
don't
plan
to
build,
sell
as
soon
as
we're
done
and
I
think
that
makes
us
look
at
the
projects
a
little
differently
design
them
differently
spend
money
differently.
We
worked
with
staff
for
gosh
I.
Think
it's
quite
a
few
years
now
at
this
point
on
this
project,
and
initially
we
had
come
in
and
said.
We
think
the
most
natural
project
for
this
site
is
an
extension
of
the
Arroyo
existing
Arroyo
Apartments
through
conversations
staff
actually
asked
us
to
look
at
a
much
denser
bigger
project
with
the
goal
of
providing
more
affordable
housing.
V
We
said
okay,
you
know
we
can
look
at
that,
but
we
had
already
we'd
already
done
some
plans,
so
we
went
back
to
the
drawing
board
spent
a
bunch
of
money
to
create
more
plans
that
had
more
units,
so
we
could
provide
the
community
with
more
affordable
housing,
but
that
meant
we
had
to
go
to
three
stories
through
more
conversations.
I
think
it
was
decided
that
was
probably
too
big
for
the
community
too
high
knowing
and-
and
we
knew
all
along.
V
You
know
we're
on
the
back
side
of
the
property
are
single-family
homes
and,
generally
speaking,
when,
when
we're
designing
a
project
to
be
next
to
single
family
homes,
we
want
it
to
be
two-story,
because
that
kind
of
fits
in
with
the
scale
of
a
single
family
home.
So
we
redesigned
again
to
come
back
to
a
two-story
project.
V
We
couldn't
go
back
to
the
original
one,
because
another
request
that
was
made
of
us
was
to
orient
our
units
on
Rancho
Conejo
to
provide
As
Nice
of
a
pedestrian
experience
as
possible,
and
therefore
we
had
to
move
the
driveway
so
that
that's
what
led
to
the
moving
the
driveway
to
come
off
of
from
the
the
original
Arroyo
apartment
committee
and
the
three
parking
spots
that
was
mentioned,
that
we'll
lose
so
we
have
found
space
on
the
new
parcel
for
the
three
parking
spots
and
we
will
have
the
the
new
building
oriented
to
Rancho
Conejo.
V
So
that's
a
lot
of
the
time
we
spent
quite
a
bit
of
money
on
design
work
kind
of
at
the
request
of
the
various
changes
we
think
we're
at
a
project
that
you
know
through
working
with
staff
is
is
something
that
is
looks
good.
It's
a
modern
kind
of
interpretation
of
the
Arroyo
Villas.
We
are
lucky.
The
original
Apartments
have
a
lot
of
amenity
space.
There's
great
grassy
areas
for
kids
to
play
on.
We
have
two
different
pools:
we've
recently
renovated
both
pool
areas,
so
we
think
it's
a
nice
Community.
V
One
of
the
things
we
do
look
at
when
we're
designing
new
projects
is
how
do
we
facilitate
community,
and
so
one
of
the
comment,
one
of
the
things
you
noticed
was
there
is
slightly
smaller
private
open
space.
But
what
we
do
is
we
try
and
create
the
community
space.
That's
for
the
whole
community,
so,
for
example,
barbecue
areas,
seating
areas,
pool
area
things
like
that,
there's
a
few
other
effects
to
that
one
is
a
lot
of
big
balconies
tend
to
become
big
storage
areas
which
no
one
really
likes.
V
People
put
big
barbecues
out
there,
which
are
actually
have
become
illegal
and
fire
problems.
And
what
have
you
so
it's
it's?
We
want
to
encourage
people
to
come
use
our
barbecues
that
we
put
out,
we
put
very
nice,
expensive,
barbecues
out
and
make
really
nice
seating
areas,
and
so
what
we
have
seen
is
that,
generally
speaking,
people
don't
need
as
big
of
private
open
space
and
if
they
do,
it,
just
becomes
a
place
to
store
things
and
the
other
piece
to
that
was
by
putting
the
building
on
Rancho
Conejo
Boulevard
the
space.
V
The
way
that
the
drive
aisle
is
all
laid
out,
the
way
we
had
to
orient
the
buildings
we
couldn't
come
forward
anymore
without
going
into
a
setback
and
asking
for
Relief
on
that.
So
if
we
felt
like
what
the
markets
told
us
is,
we
don't
need
as
many
as
much
private
open
space
and
we
felt
like
to
create
The
Pedestrian
feeling
on
on
Ranch
Conejo,
that
that
was
the
best
compromise.
I
guess
you
could
say.
V
And
yeah
I
think
assistant
City
attorney
characterize
it
well,
we
had
quite
a
quite
a
few
discussions
on
the
affordable
housing
component.
We
would
have
been
happy
to
provide
more
affordable
housing
had
we
had
a
bigger
project
when
you,
when
you
have
a
project
that
takes
years
to
get
to
this
point,
we've
already
spent
a
lot
more
money
than
we
ever
thought
we
would
spend
just
to
get
to
today.
V
Unfortunately,
with
interest
rates,
the
way
they
are
even
building
what
we've
proposed
looks
challenging
I,
don't
know
you
know
we're
going
to
have
to
evaluate
that,
and
costs
haven't
come
down
and
basically
interest
rates
have
doubled.
So
we
have.
We
have
some
challenges
there.
V
You
know
if
we
were
a
year
and
a
half
ago
and
we
had
a
bigger
project,
absolutely
we
could
do
more,
affordable
housing,
so
I
think
the
other.
The
other
piece
was
that
the
Arroyo
Villa's
original
development
agreement
had
that
affordable
housing
was
at
moderate
level,
so
the
whole
concept
along
all
along
was
to
create
an
extension
of
that
project
and
with
that
I
I'm
here
for
any
other
questions
you
might
have,
and
thank
you
all
for
your
help.
Thank.
B
To
make
it
easy
I'll
go
forward,
but
thank
you
Mr
Newman,
to
make
it
easy
for
me.
Could
you
use
your
hands
up
on
the
zoom
there
there's
a
icon,
you
could
do
in
the
future.
I.
R
B
R
B
Oh
there,
it
is
I,
see
it
Blends
in
with
your
background,
very
good.
Thank
you,
sir
I'll
come
back
to
you
in
just
a
moment.
Thank
you.
I
have
a
question
for
you
regarding
the
challenge
right
now,
building
in
this
environment,
from
what
I'm
hearing
from
you
is
that,
as
we've
got
higher
interest
rates,
not
only
are
supplies
like
Lumber
and
labor
and
so
forth
have
gone
up,
but
also
the
cost
of
doing
the
construction,
with
the
interest
rates
to
actually
move
forward.
Is
that
correct?
That's.
V
B
V
Basically,
the
cost
for
us
to
build
projects
is
oh
I,
don't
know
I
mean
you
know.
20
30
in
the
last
couple
years
and
a
huge
component
of
inflation
as
it's
measured
by
the
FED,
is
the
cost
to
either
rent
or
buy
housing.
V
So
that's
gone
up,
caused
the
cause,
the
FED
to
raise
interest
rates.
That's
my
understanding,
but
I'm,
not
an
economist.
So.
B
B
R
You
Mr
Mayor
I,
appreciate
that
and-
and
thank
you,
sir,
for
your
explanation
of
the
the
challenges
and
trade-offs
that
that
you
and
and
your
willingness
to
work
with
the
city
for
non-economist
I
thought
you
did
a
pretty
good
job
of
explaining
the
the
economic
challenges
you
face
in
getting
this
to
work
out,
but
I
do
want
to
I.
Do
want
to
explore
a
little
more
the
Community
Development
aspects
of
what
you
were
saying,
one
of
the
actually
two
of
the
biggest
needs
we
have
with
with
housing
in
our
community.
R
It's
twofold
number
one.
By
far,
our
biggest
unmet
knee
is
in
the
low
income
category,
not
in
the
above
moderate.
In
the
moderate
category.
We
certainly
need
housing
at
all
income
levels,
including
moderates
I.
Don't
I
don't
want
to
belittle
what
you've
done
here.
I,
don't
want
to
ignore
that
that's
wholly
consistent
with
the
existing
Apartments,
but
we
do
have
this
much
greater
need
by
far
in
the
low
income
category
and
as
well.
We
build
almost
nothing
either
to
buy
outright
or
rent
to
buy.
V
V
You
know
this
project
we've
been
working
on
for
four-ish
years
for
27
units.
You
know
that's
that
time
is
money
and
that
that's
that's
a
huge
challenge.
For
us.
There
is
economies
of
scale,
the
bigger
the
project,
the
more
you
can
absorb
costs,
because
the
kitchen
costs
the
same
right.
If
I
can
build,
100
kitchens
and
I
can
and
I
can
distribute
the
cost
across
everything
it
helps
in
this.
The
site
costs
the
infrastructure.
All
of
that
that
helps
me
to
build
a
a
community
with
more
lower,
affordable
housing.
V
Ultimately,
it's
more
housing
in
in
regards
to
the
question
on
on,
buy
or
rent
to
buy
I'm,
actually
not
aware
of
any
so
we,
our
companies
business
models
to
to
build
and
hold
forever.
It's
a
family,
Family,
Health
company
right
we've
been
I,
think
we've
been
in
the
community
for
30
something
years
built
a
number
of
the
single
family
homes
and
planned
to
be
here
for
a
long
time,
so
we
actually
have
no
more.
No,
we
had.
V
We
don't
have
a
business
around
selling
units
anymore
that
was
sold
off
maybe
six
years
ago,
so
we
only
build
for
rent
product
at
this
point
in
time.
V
I'm
not
actually
aware
of
a
program
where
you
rent
to
buy
I,
haven't
I,
haven't
come
across
that
in
in
in
the
industry
and
the
economy
in
in
the
industry.
So
it's
an
interesting
question
and
I
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
that,
but
we
we
at
this
point
only
build
for
rent
product.
B
L
V
It's
a
good
question:
we
typically
we
have
one
particular
Bank,
we've
been
borrowing
from
for
70
years
and
again
it
helps
to
to
be
a
family
health
company.
That's
been
in
business
for
a
really
long
time.
This
is
a
small
enough
project
that
given
what's
happened
with
interest
rates.
We
may
not
go
get
another
loan,
but
I
we're
we're
having
a
lot
of
conversations
about.
How
do
we
make
this
work?
V
I
mean
this
parcel
is
sat
for
30
years
and
we're
interested
in
making
it
something
so
I
don't
actually
have
an
answer
to
that.
We're
we're
exploring
all
avenues
of
how
we
could
make
it
work.
I
know
a
lot
of
developers
just
won't
even
be
able
to
get
construction
loans
in
today's
environment
with
what's
going
on
in
the
banking
World,
it's
a
it's
a
it's.
A
huge
challenge
is.
L
There
a
scenario
where
you
wait
this
out
and
and
see
where
we
land
and
then
look
at
building
at
that
point,
there's
a
lot
of
build
a
lot
of
people,
pencils
down
right
now,
we're
looking
at
a
lot
of
projects
Even
in
our
area,
where
I
mean
you
know
getting
financing
is
tough
right
now,
Bridge
debt
and
construction
debt
brings
on
a
whole
new
risk.
That's
also
on
the
table.
I.
Imagine.
V
It's
on
the
table.
I
would
like
to
think
that
we
can
make
it
happen.
I
mean
we
do
have
the
benefit
of
having
to
own
the
land
for
30
years
and
it
because
it
is
an
extension
of
the
existing
Apartments.
It's
a
different
project
than
if
I
was
to
come
and
say
hey.
We
just
bought
a
a
piece
of
land
and
want
to
start
something
from
scratch.
So
we
do
have
some
advantages
there.
V
So
I
I'm
optimistic
that
I
think
we
can
make
it
work.
But
it's
it's
super
challenging
right.
L
B
B
My
my
challenge
is
that
it's
taking
when
I
speak
to
developers
five
to
sometimes
six
years
from
the
time
they
present
the
project
to
the
time
that
they
receive
occupancy
and
that
again
drives
up
the
price,
because
the
delay
in
in
Florida,
for
example,
they
do
it
in
three
years
and
yes,
they
have
some
different
challenges
in
Florida
than
we
do
here.
We've
got
Sacramento
and
they
tend
to
do
a
lot
more
in
regulations
and
requirements
to
delay
projects.
B
Is
there
anything
we
as
a
city
could
do
more
efficiently?
You
do
not
have
to
commit
to
this
right
now
we
can
talk
offline,
but
what
can
we
do
better
here
because
we
always
want
to
seek
efficiency
with
our
city
services
and
our
city
staff
is
very
open
to
listening
to
developers
to
make
this
a
pleasant,
efficient,
quick
process.
V
I
I
enjoyed
working
with
staff.
You
know,
I
think
it
was
a
productive
back
and
forth
that
it
it
did
take
a
long
time
and
but
I
I
kind
of
understand
it.
You
know
we
went
down
a
path
of
trying
to
create
more
affordable
housing
and
create
a
bigger
project
and
so
I.
You
know
in
many
ways
I
get
it,
but
that
did
add
time
and
cost
yeah
be
happy
to
talk
about
it.
Offline,
happy.
B
To
hear
your
comments
as
well
as
City
staff,
because
they
all
want
to
do
a
better
job,
yeah
and
I
think
we
have
a
superb
City
staff
and
they
want
to
again
be
more
efficient
council
members.
Any
other
questions
I
do
ask
that
you
stand
by
because
we're
going
to
open
up
to
public
comment.
You
may
have
to
answer
some
of
those
questions,
so
please
thank
you,
staff,
any
responses
to
what
has
been
presented
so
far.
Actually,
let's
go
to
public
comment.
Next,
first
up
we
have
Jackson
Piper
Jackson
on
Zoom.
B
You
have
three
minutes
Mr.
Actually
is
it
three
minutes
or
five
at
five
minutes.
W
Thank
you,
mayor
McNamee
and
members
of
the
city
council.
My
name
is
Jackson
Piper
I
live
in
unincorporated,
Newbury,
Park,
I'm,
part
of
Ventura
County
MB,
and
also
the
Teo
livability
Action
Network
have
been
a
housing
advocate
for
a
number
of
years.
W
I
wanna
say
that
I
appreciate
all
the
work.
That's
gone
into
this
project
and
appreciate
the
efforts
of
the
property
owner
to
work
with
City
staff
and
try
and
shape
this
project
into
something
that
can
get
built
so
I
I
hope
that
city
does
not
outre
reject
this
project
tonight,
I
hope
it
does
get
approved
and
I
appreciate
the
the
four
units
of
moderate
income
housing.
W
That
being
said,
I
have
reservations
about
the
process
that
created
the
project
we
see
here
today
and,
as
you
heard
earlier,
this
is
a
site:
that's
1.57,
Acres,
it's
being
zoned
for
housing,
that's
between
15
and
30
units
per
acre,
which
creates
the
potential
for
47
units
of
housing
on
this
site
at
the
Baseline,
which
is
significantly
more
than
what
this
project
is
proposing.
W
For
the
city
to
ask
for
a
reduction
in
the
size
of
the
project
when
we've
been
dealing
with
a
decades-old
developing
housing
crisis,
homelessness
crisis,
all
the
things
that
are
tied
to
it
when
Thousand
Oaks
doesn't
have
much
land
available
to
actually
build
on,
just
seems
wrong
to
me
and
there
are
a
whole
host
of
of
impacts
to
the
environment
and
to
the
economic
welfare
of
the
community,
the
social
well-being
of
the
communities,
so
many
other
impacts
that
result
from
decisions
like
this.
W
Where
you
know
the
city
says:
well,
that's
going
to
be
too
controversial,
that's
going
to
be
too
tall!
You
know
why?
Don't
you
pair
it
down
a
bit
and
then
we
lose
out
on
the
community
benefits
like
more
affordable
units,
because
the
city
is
concerned
about
possibly
upsetting
nearby
single-family
home
residents,
which
yes,
I
understand
wanting
to
keep
your
views.
W
This
view
in
particular,
I'm
not
sure
exactly
what
would
be
preserved
by
by
keeping
it
two
stories,
as
opposed
to
three,
but
that
trade-off
has
been
made
ad
nauseam
throughout
California
throughout
our
cities,
even
just
in
Thousand
Oaks
for
those
decades
that
this
housing
crisis
has
been
building
and
is,
in
fact
a
major
contributor
to
it.
We
keep
reducing
projects
to
the
point
where
they're
just
not
viable
anymore,
to
produce
affordable
housing
and
well.
W
These
projects
alone
might
not
be
enough
to
actually
solve
the
whole
affordability
problem
without
them
we're
never
going
to
reach
that
point
where
we
actually
have
abundant,
affordable
housing
for
everyone
that
needs
it
so
going
forward.
I
really
hope.
City
staff
does
not
discourage
developers
and
property
owners
from
pursuing
the
maximum
potential
of
their
properties
to
produce
affordable
housing
or
housing
of
any
kind
that
can
potentially
siphon
out.
W
You
know,
market
rate
payers
that
would
otherwise
take
up.
You
know
more
affordable
housing,
stock
and
I
I
do
want
to
point
out.
You
know
with
the
density
bonus
the
site
like
this
could
produce.
Let's
see,
it
was
I,
think
23
additional
units
beyond
that
47.
W
If
It,
produced
11
of
the
the
Baseline
units
as
low
income,
affordable
or
seven
of
the
Baseline
units
as
very
low
income,
affordable
I
think
that's
important
to
keep
in
mind
that,
yes,
a
project
like
that
would
be
taller.
It
would
be
denser,
that's
not
a
bad
thing,
it's
something
we
should
really
consider
as
a
valuable
asset
to
the
community.
Thank
you.
Thank.
X
Hi
good
evening,
mayor
city,
council,
members
and
staff,
my
name
is
Faith
Grant
and
I
am
a
member
of
The
Conejo
Climate
Coalition,
a
group
of
Thousand
Oaks
residents
engaged
in
pursuing
climate
Solutions
in
The
Conejo
Valley
item
11b
is
a
positive
action
that
adds
more
housing
stock
in
Thousand
Oaks
city
council
is
well
aware
of
the
need
for
affordable
housing
and
housing
that
is
also
situated
in
locations.
That'll
expedite
the
use
of
public
transit.
This
development
meets
both
needs.
X
What
will
further
enhance
this
development?
Is
the
use
of
Sustainable
Building
features
such
as
building
electrification,
I.E,
no
gas
infrastructure,
rooftop,
solar
and
battery
storage,
garage,
EV,
Chargers
and
native
trees
and
Gardens
city
council
has
supported
these
sustainable
features
in
the
very
recent
T.O
Ranch
and
Baxter
property
developments.
X
X
Y
Hi
good
evening,
mayor
and
council
members
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
kineho
Climate
Coalition,
a
group
of
community
members,
that's
engaged
in
pursuing
climate
Solutions
in
the
kanejo
valley.
We
desperately
need
housing,
especially
housing.
That's
affordable,
walkable
energy,
efficient
and
healthy
I'm,
happy
to
see
that
this
is
an
infill
project
that
will
add
more
housing
stock
and
as
close
to
Transit.
Those
are
all
great
things.
Y
Imt's
project
in
the
to
Ranch
Community
at
the
former
Kmart
property,
is
a
perfect
example
of
developers
creating
a
safer,
healthier
living
space
for
Thousand
Oaks
residents,
gas
infrastructure
locks
in
emissions
for
decades
to
come,
even
as
our
grid
greens
more
and
more
each
year.
The
other
thing
to
Ranch
did
was
include
many
affordable
units.
The
community
is
begging
you
for
more
affordable
housing.
Just
last
week,
more
than
a
dozen
organizations
in
the
community
organized
a
workshop
on
affordable
housing
with
nearly
a
hundred
community
members
in
attendance.
Y
One
of
the
things
you
heard
tonight
is
that
more
dense
projects
can
pencil
out
easier
to
include
more
affordable
units.
Three
stories
versus
two
was
the
difference
in
several
lower
income
units
or
not
in
the
future.
I'd
like
to
see
the
council
and
the
community
get
what
they
want
out
of
housing
projects,
projects
that
are
healthy,
affordable
and
sustainable.
Thank
you.
W
N
Council
members
staff
members
of
the
public
I
would
just
like
to
speak
out
in
favor
of
this
housing
project
in
particular,
why
I'm
I
am
a
big
proponent
of
having
a
path
to
ownership?
That's
not
always
the
case.
N
Much
as
my
case
was
when
I
moved
here
23
years
ago
to
Newbury
Park
I
didn't
have
an
option
just
to
move
into
home,
so
I
chose
Arroyo
Villa
as
the
place
that
we
would
camp
out
for
about
eight
months
until
we
could
get
a
feel
for
the
area,
and
here
we
are
so
I
would
like
to
thank
you
for
bringing
this
project
forth
and
I
would
like
to
ask
that
the
city
council,
please
consider
the
planning
commission's
recommendation
to
move
forward
with
this
project.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
J
Good
evening,
mayor,
McNamee
and
council
members
again,
I
just
wanted
to
share
our
support
from
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
for
this
project.
It
sounds
to
me
like
there's,
been
a
lot
of
back
and
forth
amongst
the
city
as
well
as
the
developer,
and
while
this
is
a
smaller
project,
every
unit
of
housing
is
so
critical
to
our
business
community
and
our
quality
of
life.
J
This
project
location
is
especially
important
as
the
city
invests
in
infrastructure
improvements
with
sidewalks
in
that
area,
as
well
as
a
substantial
amount
of
job
growth
within
our
biotech,
and
so
I
just
want
to
share
our
board
support
from
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
and
hope
you
will
move
forward
with
supporting
this
project
tonight.
Thank
you.
S
If
I
may,
I
just
want
to
make
one
point
of
clarification,
just
in
terms
of
project
design,
staff
worked
with
the
applicant
to
create
a
design
that
was
appropriate
for
a
transition
site
from
single
family
residential
to
the
multi-family
residential
adjacent
to
it.
The
design
in
and
of
itself
is
reflective
of
the
relationship
between
the
new
project.
That's
going
in
the
existing
project,
that's
there
and
the
single-family
neighborhood
that
it
backs
up
to
so
as
a
matter
of
design
and
transition.
S
B
Council
member
any
questions
for
staff
very
good.
Let
me
move
on
to
applicant.
Do
you
have
any
rebuttals
anything
you'd
like
to
comment
here
good?
Thank
you,
sir
alrighty.
Let
me
close
the
public
hearing
and
Council
discussion.
Any
comments.
B
Q
Oh,
thank
you
mayor.
Well,
as
cat
sound
said,
this
is
a
classic
infill
project,
we're
Way,
Beyond,
expanding
the
city
outward
into
our
open
space
and
creating
more
car
trips
and
getting
bigger
and
bigger
and
bigger,
and
we're
looking
for
sites
where
we
can
place
housing
within
our
city,
and
this
accomplishes
just
that.
You
know
every
every
Project's
different
and
every
site
is
different.
The
the
Kmart
project
came
up,
that's
in
a
commercial
area
and
we
approved
over
400
units
with
54,
affordable
units
as
part
of
that
project.
This
is
a
lot
different.
Q
You
know
it's
an
acre
and
a
half.
It's
an
existing
single
family,
home
neighborhood
and
if
you're
gonna
get
affordability,
the
Kmart
project
has
three
and
four
stories
attached
to
it.
As
the
gentleman
from
Chappelle
said,
you
would
have
to
add
a
story.
Go
up
to
three
and
you'd
have
to
increase
the
density,
height
and
density.
Q
It
allows
more
affordability
and
that
does
work
in
some
sizes,
the
Kmart
site.
It
worked
beautifully
there.
This
site's
a
little
different
and
I
appreciate
you
coming
forward
with
something
that
is
compatible
with
the
neighborhood,
but
does
give
us
23
market
rate
units
and
four
affordable
units.
I
think
it
fits
in
there
perfectly
and
just
as
a
editorial
comment.
As
far
as
a
for
ownership,
affordability,
that's
that's
an
e
it.
You
know
we
all
want
to
be
able
to
buy
something:
that's
affordable!
Q
It's
a
lot
easier
said
than
done
with
land
costs
as
high
as
they
are
in
the
city
of
Thousand
Oaks,
the
Council
embarked
on
a
project
on
the
Hillcrest
drive,
but
to
keep
the
cost
down.
We
had
to
buy
the
land,
the
city
for
10
million
dollars,
which
I
think
is
a
great
investment
by
the
way,
but
that
was
enough
to
lower
the
cost
to
make
it
affordable,
we'll
probably
get
70
affordable
for
sale,
condos
out
of
that
project,
but
to
just
simply
just
State.
We
need
more
affordable
for
sale.
Q
Housing
is
oversimplifying
the
situation.
It's.
It
takes
a
concerted
effort
with
money
behind
it
to
lower
those
land
costs.
To
make
that
happen
and
I
think
the
city's
been
wonders
in
accomplishing
that
I.
Don't
know
too
many
cities
and
been
able
to
purchase
land
and
make
affordable
housing
for
sale
to
their
citizens.
Q
So
with
that
I
appreciate
your
presentation,
I
think
this
is
a
good
project.
Thank
you
for
working
with
staff
on
it.
Thank
you,
staff
for
spending
all
this
time
on
some
really
necessary
housing
and
and
I
think
it
fits
in
perfectly
with
Arroyo.
That's
already
there.
So
I
will
in
fact
move
11b.
Thank.
R
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
I
I
mostly
agree
with
councilmember
Adams
comments.
I,
don't
recall,
suggesting
that
housing
affordability,
particularly
when
it
comes
to
project
housing
to
buy,
is,
is
simple.
It
is
an
incredibly
complex
topic.
It
has
a
lot
of
components.
R
I
I
share
the
concerns
that
several
of
our
speakers
raised
about.
If
we're
going
to
do
infill
projects,
we
need
to
take
every
opportunity
we
can
where
we
can
address
the
needs
that
our
community
actually
has
I
appreciate.
There
are
other
concerns
as
well
here.
There's
the
financing
environment
that
the
applicant
mentioned.
There
is
compatibility
with
surroundings
as
Mr
Parker
mentioned,
and
I
appreciate
that
staff
has
a
difficult
job
in
balancing
all
these
interests.
R
Well,
I
certainly
would
prefer
a
project
it
would
offer
more
in
the
way
of
meeting
these
two
great
unmet
needs.
I
will
support
this
project.
Thank.
B
L
M
B
Z
Z
This
action
tonight
is
the
second
step
in
our
fiscal
Year's,
2023-25
biennial
budget
process
staff
has
been
diligently
working
on
our
budget
and
the
CIP
in
Pacific.
Since
October
2022,
the
CIP
budget
was
presented
to
the
Capitol
facilities
committee
last
Thursday
on
March
30th
staff
also
presented
the
proposed
CIP
budget
to
the
Planning
Commission
last
night,
following
the
presentation
at
Planning
Commission,
the
commission
adopted
a
resolution
finding
that
the
proposed
CIP
budget
for
fiscal
years,
2023
through
2025,
is
in
conformance
with
the
Thousand
Oaks
General
plan.
Z
As
we
have
done
the
past
several
budget
Cycles,
we
once
again
had
a
robust,
Community
engagement
effort
through
our
your
city,
your
priorities
program.
This
includes
a
dedicated
budget
website
to
budget.org
meetings
with
the
public
at
community
events,
a
social
media
presence,
presenting
our
budget
process
to
both
the
youth
commission
and
Council
on
Aging
and
a
short
survey
for
the
public
to
be
able
to
take
for
the
first
time
this
cycle.
We
also
have
the
site
available
in
Spanish
as
well.
Z
The
CIP
budget
presents
a
five-year
CIP
plan.
This
is
a
strategic
way
to
focus
on
long-term
needs
and
requirements
and
gives
the
staff
the
ability
to
proactively
plan
now
for
any
potential
funding
challenges
in
the
future.
There
are
many
CIP
projects
that
can
take
more
than
two
years
to
complete
so
having
a
Five-Year
Plan
also
helps
to
plan
Staffing
Resources
projects
can
be
multifunded.
A
traffic
and
transportation
project,
for
example,
may
come
from
a
combination
of
grant
funding
gas
tax
funds
developer
fee
funds.
Z
The
proposed
CIP
budget
manual
is
broken
into
three
main
sections.
The
summary
section
includes
a
five-year
summary
by
project
category
five-year
summary
by
fund
and
the
revenue
summary.
It
also
includes
a
deferred,
a
deferred
requirement.
Summary.
The
next
section
is
the
projects
by
category
sections.
The
categories
include
facilities,
housing,
landscape,
streetscape,
Library,
open
space,
storm
water,
streets,
Transportation,
traffic,
undergrounding,
Wastewater
and
water,
and
the
final
section
is
the
projects
by
funds
section.
This
includes
a
page
for
each
fund,
a
listing
of
the
project
proposed
to
be
budgeted
from
that
fund.
Z
The
fund
summary
also
includes
the
beginning.
Capital
reserves
amount
available
for
spending.
How
much
will
be
carried
over
from
existing
projects.
Any
required
reserves
anticipated
Capital
revenues
over
the
next
five
years
and
the
ending
balance
and
the
fund
after
taking
into
consideration
all
proposed
projects.
Z
The
two
indices
in
the
back
include
a
listing
of
projects
by
number
and
a
listing
of
projects
alphabetically
by
name
each
project
states
which
city
council
CIP
priority
it
meets.
The
priorities
were
established
by
City
Council
in
2009
for
guidance
in
prioritizing
capital
projects.
The
definitions
were
updated
in
2015
to
add
City
council's
top
priorities
to
the
definition
for
CIP
priority
number
one.
In
addition,
all
CIP
Products
that
come
before
city
council
during
the
year
have
the
CIP
priority
listed
in
the
staff
report.
Z
Z
Z
Z
There
are
no
detail
sheets
for
those
projects,
as
I
mentioned,
the
product
detail
sheets
are
where
you
can
find
a
variety
of
information
about
the
project,
including
the
description
of
the
project.
Justification
for
why
the
project
is
necessary
city
council
goal.
It
adheres
to
consistency
with
the
city's
General
plan.
Z
Z
As
mentioned,
there
are
11
project
categories
which
are
listed
in
numerical
order
from
the
greatest
total
proposed
budget
to
the
least
on
this
Slide.
The
water
category
has
the
highest
proposed
budget
of
29.6
million,
with
an
additional
11.5
million
in
carryover.
Wastewater
is
second,
as
you
can
see,
at
25.6
million.
Those
categories
comprise
some
of
the
city's
largest
assets
and
also
our
oldest
assets
as
well
that
require
regular
routine
maintenance
and
improvements.
Z
This
graph
highlights
the
funding
sources
for
the
proposed
CIP
budget.
The
bulk
of
the
funding,
as
you
saw
on
the
previous
slide,
is
coming
from
our
water
and
wastewater
funds
and
then
also
gas
tax
funds
have
a
significant
amount
of
funding,
of
course,
for
our
annual
overlay
and
slurry
program
combined,
there's
approximately
60
percent
of
funding
for
the
CIP
CIP
budget
between
those
three
funding
sources.
Z
This
shows
the
10-year
historical
comparison
of
the
CIP
budgets.
You
can
see
that
the
total
budget
amount
and
the
total
number
of
projects
has
increased
over
the
past
10
years,
although
this
is
the
highest
proposed
total
budget,
the
bulk
of
the
increase
is
due
to
the
water
and
wastewater
categories,
a
total
55.2
million
of
the
126.9
million
total
budget.
The
city
has
adequate
funds
available
on
both
of
those
funds,
and
the
analysis
at
the
back
of
the
budget
shows
that
both
Water
and
Wastewater
can
sustain
the
projects
for
the
next
two
years.
Z
It
shows
locations
of
projects
that
are
at
an
actual
specific
location,
but
certain
projects
is
like
our
overlay,
which
hit
a
variety
of
streets
throughout
the
city.
Aren't
highlighted
on
this
projects
are
proposed
in
all
sections
of
the
city,
including
Newbury,
Park,
Sunset,
Hills,
downtown
Thousand,
Oaks
and
Westlake
Village,
the
top
10
projects
based
on
new
budget,
and
this
proposed
budget
and
carryover
are
presented
in
this
table.
Seven
of
the
projects
are
existing
projects
and
three
are
new
projects.
Z
Pavement
overlay
is
the
largest
project,
as
you
can
see,
at
13.4
million
now
diving
into
more
detail
in
the
funds
in
this
proposed
CIP
budget.
The
general
fund
is
the
city's
discretionary
funding
source.
It
can
be
used
for
any
project
that
the
city
wants.
Funding
capital
projects
of
the
journal
fund
is
from
our
Capital
reserves
that
have
already
been
set
aside
based
on
several
years
of
Journal
fund
surpluses.
There
are
adequate
reserves
available
in
the
journal
fund
to
fund
the
proposed
projects.
Z
Total
proposed
budget
of
12.2
million,
with
a
carryover
of
7.8
million,
is
in
this
proposed
CIP.
Since
the
general
fund
is
discretionary,
it
can
fund
a
variety
of
projects.
The
general
fund
will
often
support
capital
projects
that
are
necessary
and
or
priorities
that
don't
have
adequate
funding
elsewhere,
including
in
our
library
in
stormwater.
The
draw
fund
is
primarily
responsible
for
maintenance
and
Improvement
of
all
of
our
general
city
facilities
as
well.
Z
The
city's
Library
fund
is
mainly
funded
by
property
tax.
If
there's
not
adequate
reserves
in
our
library
fund
to
fund
our
capital
projects,
the
city's
general
fund
will
assist
some
of
the
project
highlights
include
the
solar
system
projects
at
both
libraries,
which
came
before
Council
recently,
as
well
as
our
remodel
of
both
libraries
to
plan
for
the
future
and
more
modern
use
of
our
libraries.
Z
This
graph
has
been
shown
many
times
at
the
city
council,
but
it's
always
important
to
emphasize
how
important
funding
is
to
the
city's
maintenance
of
our
streets
and
Roads
system.
The
last
pavement
management
plan
study
showed
that
the
city
needs
to
spend
approximately
8
million
annually
to
keep
our
city
streets
in
our
current
pavement
condition.
Z
Funding
has
varied
as
you
can
see
throughout
the
years.
The
red
portions
are
the
funding
that
the
city
receives
due
to
the
passage
of
sb1
and,
as
you
can
see,
without
that
additional
Revenue
Source,
the
city
would
be
well
short
of
funding
our
streets
and
roads.
In
addition,
the
green
shows
TDA
funds,
of
which
the
city
was
able
to
get
a
carve
out
in
legislation
allowing
the
city
to
utilize
our
TDA
funds
for
streets
and
Roads.
Z
As
long
as
we
fully
meet
our
Transit
needs
each
year
in
the
past,
the
general
fund
has
assisted
in
meeting
our
annual
Street
requirements.
When
we
have
been
short
of
funding,
our
gas
tax
funds
are
restricted
only
to
streets
and
Roads
projects.
We
can't
spend
that
money
on
anything
else.
Funding
comes
from
both
gas
tax
and
the
transportation
development
act.
Z
Funds
that
I
mentioned
project
highlights
include,
of
course,
our
overlay
and
slurry,
and
curb
ramp
program,
which
are
fully
funded
this
cycle,
as
well
as
as
well
as
sidewalk
replacement,
and
we
increased
our
sidewalk
replacement
project
by
25
percent.
This
cycle,
increasing
it
from
400
000
to
500,
000.
Z
capital
projects
and
developer
fee
funds
are
from
Impact
fees,
charge
development
projects
to
pay
for
their
fair
share
of
the
public
improvements
that
are
required.
The
fees
are
restricted
to
specific
projects
to
construct
public
facilities,
including
streets,
sidewalks
and
traffic
signals
project
highlights
include
the
widening
of
Agora
Road
at
Westlake,
Boulevard
intersection,
as
well
as
installation
of
a
side
lock
sidewalk
along
Moorpark
Road
between
Calle
and
Char,
and
Thousand
Oaks,
High
School,
which
will
help
provide
access
to
the
high
school.
Z
In
our
stormwater
fund,
we
have
many
challenges
and
complexities
to
funding
our
stormwater
programs.
We
are
not
unique
in
this
municipalities
throughout
the
state,
face
limitations
in
creating
a
dedicated
funding
stream
to
manage
the
regulatory
framework
for
stormwater,
including
meeting
our
requirements
of
the
national
pollution
discharge,
elimination
system,
our
npdes
permit
and
total
maximum
daily
load
programs.
Our
stormwater
program
is
partially
funded
by
a
county-wide
storm
water
assessment.
Z
However,
that
assessment
has
not
been
updated
in
many
years
because
it
requires
a
public
vote
by
put
on
by
the
county
and
it's
inadequate
to
meet
our
Capital
requirement
needs
and
it
requires
general
fund
support,
since
increasing
the
assessment
would
require
that
vote.
The
county
has
chosen
not
to
do
so.
Project
highlights
include
the
storm
water
to
sewer
diversion
project
at
Malibu,
Creek
and
the
watershed
management
plan,
implementation
project.
Z
Z
Our
water
fund
capital
projects
are
funded
through
the
capital
portion
of
water
rates.
The
largest
project
is
the
Los
Robles
groundwater
utilization
project,
which
we
are
working
with.
Loss
of
virgins
water
district
on
we're
also
proposing
a
battery
image.
Energy
storage
facilities
at
various
pump
stations
throughout
the
city,
in
which
we
also
hope
to
receive
federal
infrastructure
funding
for
replacing
our
older
water
meters
in
order
to
update
our
technology
capabilities
so
that
customers
will
have
access
to
real-time
information
and
Reservoir
improvements
at
La,
Granada.
Z
Our
Wastewater
fund
is
also
funded
by
the
capital
portion
of
Wastewater
rates.
Some
of
the
major
products
include
the
relining
of
Wastewater
pipes
and
maintenance
holes,
tertiary
filters,
Rehabilitation
at
our
hilkin
and
treatment
plant,
and
then
also
electrical
classification
and
compliance
upgrades
also
at
the
plant
for
our
transit
system.
Majority
of
funding
is
from
Grants
and
TDA
projects.
Z
Other
Enterprise
funds
include
our
Golf
Course
fund
and
our
Solid
Waste
funds.
Our
Golf
Course
proposed
budget
is
for
various
improvements
or
maintenance
that
need
to
occur
as
well
as
renovation
of
our
maintenance
facility.
At
the
golf
course,
the
majority
of
our
Solid
Waste
funding
is
for
design
and
construction
of
a
food
recovery
and
storage
facility,
which
is
nearly
required
for
cities
as
part
of
our
existing
16
million
and
improved
funding.
Z
Z
Z
Staff
believes
this
presents
not
only
a
sustainable
budget,
but
one
that
significantly
and
strategically
invests
in
the
community
by
committing
funds
towards
our
maintenance,
significantly
investing
environmental
sustainability
projects
and
funding
future
homelessness
and
affordable
housing
projects.
I'd
like
to
take
a
minute
just
to
thank
staff
across
the
organization
for
their
extensive
work
on
the
CIP
budget.
Of
course,
our
budget
officer
Brent
zakaida
and
then
especially
staff
from
our
public
works
department,
as
they
have
the
bulk
of
the
projects
and
in
our
CIP
budget.
Z
R
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor
and
thank
you.
Miss
oscarino
I
appreciate
your
very
clear
explanation
of
very
complex
topic
and
Kudos,
especially
to
you
and
staff,
for
including
an
overview
of
this
is
Spanish
as
well.
Good
job
I
just
have
a
couple
of
questions
about
relatively
small
expenditures
in
in
this
much
larger
budget,
as
you
know
that
on
page
six
of
the
report,
the
expenditures
the
the
CIP
that's
expected
a
few
years
from
now
will
be
significantly
larger
than
what
we're
looking
at
in
the
current
budget
cycle.
R
I,
don't
know
the
exact
percentage,
but
it
is,
it
is
made
much
larger
expenditure.
There
are
two
engineering
studies
in
the
current
cycle
and
my
question
around
both
is
whether
we
anticipate
that
there
will
be
additional
costs
on
top
of,
what's
already
shown,
as
a
big
bulb
coming
out
of
these,
and
in
in
to
give
you
the
specifics.
One
is
project
2527,
which
is
the
let's
see
the
South
Branch
or
Royal
floodplain
Improvement.
R
There's
a
300K
expenditure
for
an
engineering
study
there
and
I'm
wondering
if,
if,
if
that
engineering
study
recommends
upgrades,
whether
that
cost
is
anticipated
or
whether
there
be
additional
public
outlays
on
top
of
that
and
then
the
same
thing
for
the
campus
master
plan,
there
is
a
15
million
dollar
expense
shown
in
the
out
year.
But
there
is
currently
a
500K
outlay
for
the
for
an
engineering
study
and
I'm
wondering
if
we're,
if
we're,
anticipating
a
construction
costs
to
exceed
15
or
it's
15
in
one
place
or
20
million
in
another
place.
Z
Foreign,
thank
you.
Councilmember
Newman
I'll,
take
the
campus
master
plan
question
and
then
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Public
Works
staff
for
the
floodplain
one,
so
campus
master
plan.
We
have
an
MI
project
in
the
proposed
budget
and
also
a
CI
project.
So
the
Mi
project
is
one
that
is
already
in
existence
and
that's
where
we've
been
funding
sort
of
our
conceptual
and
feasibility
study
and
design.
For
so
we
do
have
continuation
of
that
part
of
the
project
sort
of
our
feasibility
and
conceptual
study.
Z
What
ultimately
would
end
up
getting
proposed
and
designed
obviously,
is
we
are
planning
a
multi-phased
project,
so
we
wouldn't
be
funding
all
of
the
construction
at
once
for
a
campus
master
plan.
It
would
be
phased
out,
so
you
can
see
we
do
have
a
significant
amount
budgeted
in
the
CIP
project
for
construction
for
potentially
the
first
phase
of
the
campus
master
plan.
We
do
anticipate
project
costing
more
than
we
do
have
in
that
those
outer
years
in
the
budget.
Z
But
since
this
is
a
phased
project,
we're
just
sort
of
having
a
placeholder
in
the
outer
years
for
the
first
phase,
I
guess
you
could
say
of
the
campus
master
plan,
but
we
do
anticipate
the
total
phasing
of
Campus
master
plan.
Whatever
ultimately
is
designed
to
cost
more
than
we
have
currently
in
the
budget.
We
do
have.
R
Right
so
for
the
just
on
the
campus
master
plan,
then,
if
I
understand
correctly
you're
saying
the
cost
would
ultimately
exceed
the
20
million
dollars.
That's
given
for
office
the
year
26
27
is
that
that
correct.
Z
AA
Our
Public
Works
director
yeah,
sorry,
everybody.
Can
you
hear
me:
okay,
I
am
off
site
tonight,
recovering
from
surgery,
but
I'm
I'm
recovering
it's
better
I'm,
not
gonna,
recovered,
but
I'm
on
the
right
track.
AA
Just
just
a
knee
replacement
surgery,
which
I
know
many
of
you
are
probably
have
friends
that
have
been
through
that,
but
anyway,
the
answer
to
your
question
is
yes.
AA
If,
depending
on
the
outcome
of
that
study,
there
may
be
improvements
that
the
city
could
take
that
might
take
some
of
the
residents
in
that
area.
Out
of
the
flood
plain,
so
part
of
that
study
will
be
a
cost-benefit
analysis
to
find
out
the
cost
relative
to
the
to
the
savings
that
our
residents
would
would
feel
if
we
feel
we
can
get
them
out
of
the
flood
plain
that
is
actually
also
a
joint
project
with
the
County
of
Ventura.
AA
The
county
also
has
residents
that
are
in
the
floodplain
out
there,
so
we'll
be
studying
this
together
and
potentially
we
could
be
coming
back
to
Council
in
the
future.
Once
we
have
the
results
of
that
study.
R
AA
No,
those
are
actually
different
projects.
The
watershed
management
plan
is
actually
the
entire
city
of
Thousand
Oaks
Watershed,
that's
going
down
calligas
Creek,
and
that
is
really
a
future
stormwater
project
program.
That
will
be
a
requirement
in
our
permit
over
time,
and
we
don't.
We
don't
know
the
outcome
of
that
study.
That
study
is
currently
going
on,
but
we
know
in
a
year
or
two
we
will
know
the
outcome
and
then
we
can
plan
accordingly
for
for
those
projects.
R
B
Z
The
map
that
we
put
up
we
did
show
that
there
are
several
projects
that
are
in
the
Newbury
Park
area
and,
of
course,
as
I
mentioned,
our
overlay
and
slurry
projects
sidewalk
projects,
projects
that
hit
a
lot
of
areas
in
the
city
that
we
don't
necessarily
have
or
design.
Yet
for
would
more
than
likely
also
be
included
in
the
Newbury
Park
area.
We
don't
have
the
list
of
city
streets
yet
or
all
the
sidewalks
we're
hitting
yet
so
more
than
even
just
showed
on
the
map
would
be
also
in
Newbury
Park,
excellent.
B
The
library,
a
very
big
proponent,
of
strong
Library
System,
an
educated
public,
is
a
great
place
to
be
for
keeping
crime
down
and
giving
people
purpose
in
life.
We're
the
funds
specifically
going
for
in
the
library.
Z
So
for
the
the
library
itself,
we
have
a
specific
Library
fund
that
is
funded
by
our
property
tax
revenue
and
so
that
property
tax
revenue
typically
is
enough
to
cover
all
of
the
operating
costs
of
our
library,
and
we
do
have
a
surplus
in
our
library
right
now,
so
the
CIP
projects
will
be
funded
by
that
Surplus
and
then
any
additional
funding
that
is
needed
will
come
from
our
general
fund
to
fund
any
Library
projects.
Excellent.
B
Thank
you,
and
my
last
question
is
that
councilmember
Newman
Engler
and
I
myself
spent
a
week
in
Washington
DC
lobbying
for
Grants
to
bring
back
for
such
projects
as
EV
stations
scattered
throughout
the
city.
So
that
way,
those
that
may
be
in
apartment
complexes
that
don't
have
UV
stations
to
charge
up
their
vehicles,
City,
Hall
library
and
so
forth.
So
that
way
it's
accessible
to
the
public
more
so
as
we
move
over
to
more
electric
vehicles,
the
other
one
was
the
storm
water
diversion
specifically
the
Malibu
Creek.
B
Those
were
two
of
several
grants
that
we
were
asking
for
from
the
federal
government,
specifically
our
U.S
senators
and
Congressman
Julia
Brownlee-
is
that
figured
into
our
calculations
here
that
we're
going
to
get
those
grants,
because
we
lobbied
very
hard,
worked
12
and
14
hour
days
to
ask
for
that
money
to
come
back
in
the
form
of
Grants
to
improve
Thousand
Oaks.
Is
that
part
of
the
calculations
we
have
here
or
is
that
just
going
to
be
oh
icing
on
the
cake,
as
I
can
say,
the
term.
Z
We
anticipate
that
we
will
receive
Federal
grant
funding
through
the
infrastructure
bill
for
projects
like
charging
stations
and
our
battery
backup
systems,
so
that
is
anticipated
as
part
of
the
budget.
If
we
don't
receive
the
funding,
we
just
have
to
take
a
little
closer
look
at
our
funds.
At
that
point
and
see,
can
we
still
move
it
forward,
maybe
through
general
fund
support?
B
And
if
not
this
year,
we'll
do
it
again.
Next
year
and
I
tell
you,
it
was
a
tough
seven
days
of
lobbying
all
the
way
through,
and
it
was
a
good
experience
with
my
fellow
council
members
I
think
we
got
a
lot
accomplished.
I
think
they
would
agree.
Let's
move
on
to
any
other
questions
by
council
members,
no
we're
good
all
right!
Let's
move
forward
to
speakers
three
minutes
per
speaker.
We
have
on
Zoom
actually
I'm
not
seeing
anybody
for.
M
B
Q
Good
work,
Jamie
boy,
I
know
this
takes
a
lot
of
work.
You
and
your
staff
did
a
great
job
I,
really
like
the
way.
You
prioritized
this
Capital
Improvement
budget
this
year,
with
the
with
the
emphasis
on
sustainability
on
the
climate
and
and
really
Some
solid
Community
benefits
that
we
can
offer.
I
mean
great
stuff
like
bike
Lanes
like
solar
at
the
library
at
the
golf
course
like
electric
buses
and
the
battery
storage
thing.
That's
very
far
thinking.
Q
So
if
we
have
a
facility
that-
and
we
lose
power,
we'll
have
backup
storage
right
there
at
the
facility
pavement
overlay,
we
always
have
the
best
streets
in
this
in
the
county,
and
now
we
will
continue
to
do
that
and
and
the
groundwater
we've
talked
about
this
many
times
how
we're
going
to
pull
groundwater
from
Los
Robles
Golf
Course
treated
over
there
at
Los
verges.
Send
it
back
here,
all
all
really
important
things.
Q
Q
When
the
Auto
Mall
puts
another
dealership
in
or
expands
one,
that's
already
there
when,
when
our
bioscience
Hub
adds
a
couple
of
new
businesses
like
Captiva
or
or
Atara,
when
299
on
Thousand
Oaks
Boulevard
opens
up
and
brings
in
three
new
restaurants
and
140
units
when
tarantula
Hill
opens
up
across
the
street.
These
are
all
the
improvements
that
help
pay
for
the
community
benefits
that
our
citizens
want
and
deserve.
Q
So
that's
how
we
get
get,
what
we
need
to
keep
everybody
happy,
so
great
job
and
I
will
go
ahead
and
move
the
which
number
is
it
mayor.
B
We're
at
12
a
12,
a
thank
you,
Mr
Taylor
Mr
Newman.
Any
other
comments
before
we
move
very
good.
I
I
just
want
to
acknowledge,
also
I
kind
of
left
out.
A
key
person
in
our
lobbying
that
we
did
in
Washington
last
week
with
council,
member
Newman
and
angler
was
that
our
city
lobbyist,
Mina
laba,
put
together
a
tremendous
program
for
us.
B
She
brought
us
up
to
speed
on
our
issues
and
what
we
want
to
communicate
to
our
legislators,
to
bring
money
back
to
Thousand
Oaks
in
the
form
of
Grants,
to
accomplish
some
of
those
things
that
we've
just
discussed
as
well
as
others
and
so
Mina,
my
hat's
off
to
you.
It
was
a
pleasure
working
with
you.
They
were
long
days
and
we
got
a
lot
accomplished.
So
thank
you
with
that
I'd
like
to
ask
for
the
vote.
Madam
clerk
council.
L
B
AC
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor
members
Council.
This
is
a
bit
of
an
unusual
spot
for
me
to
be
in,
but
if
you'll
bear
with
me,
I'll
try
to
get
through
this
I
meet
with
you
regularly
on
a
when
we
meet
in
closed
session.
But
this
is
my
first
time
doing
this
in
the
in
a
regular
meeting
with
that
with
me
on.
The
diocese
today
is
Mr
Douglas
Johnson
Doug
is
the
president
of
National
demographics
Corporation.
AC
AC
March
15th,
just
about
three
weeks
ago,
we
received
what
we
refer
to
as
a
demand
letter.
The
demand
letter
basically
puts
the
city
on
notice
that
a
member
of
the
community
is
protesting
or
challenging
our
at-large
election
system.
AC
The
letter
was
drafted
by
Jason
Dominguez,
an
attorney
from
the
law
office
of
Radcliffe
Mays
and
Mr
Dominguez
stated
that
he
represents
Chase
Rasheed.
A
resident
of
the
city
of
Thousand
Oaks
letter
alleges
that
cities
at
large
method
of
electing
its
council
members
violates
the
California
Voting
Rights
Act
at
large
elections
are
considered
unlawful
if
they
impair
the
ability
of
protected
class
of
Voters
to
elect
their
candidates
of
choice
or
their
ability
to
otherwise
influence.
AC
The
outcome
of
Elections
plaintiffs
are
award
their
attorney's
fees,
cost
of
suit
and
expert
fees,
which
can
be
quite
High
when
they
Prevail
in
these
type
of
California
Voting,
Rights,
Act
litigation.
AC
AC
Unlike
the
federal
Voting
Rights
Act,
the
California
Voting
Rights
Act
does
not
require
plaintiffs
to
identify
a
specific
Geographic
District,
where
a
minority
is
concentrated
enough
to
establish
a
majority.
The
elimination
of
this
requirement
has
made
it
significantly
easier
for
minority
voters
to
sue
Luke
local
governments
and
eliminate
at-large
elections.
AC
The
ACT
has
resulted
in
the
initiation
of
hundreds
of
lawsuits
against
counties,
cities,
school
districts,
park
districts
and
similar
public
government
agencies,
which
incurred
enormous
costs
of
fees
associated
with
those
litigation.
Efforts
in
response
to
California
legislature
amended
the
ACT
back
in
2016
by
passing
assembly
Bill
350,
which
added
the
Safe
Harbor
Provisions
in
the
act.
AC
These
amendments
were
took
place
in
2017,
rather
established
the
initial
45-day
Safe
Harbor
period,
the
start
of
which
is
triggered
by
the
receipt
of
a
demand
letter
from
a
potential
California
Voting
Rights
Act
plaintiff
during
the
initial
45-day
Safe
Harbor
period,
no
lawsuit
may
be
filed
against
the
city,
and
if
the
city
takes
steps
towards
the
transition
to
district-based
elections
during
that
period,
the
city
cannot
be
sued
for
an
additional
90
days
after
they
make
that
legal
declaration,
in
which
case
the
city
would
be.
In
this
case,
the
city
would
be
a
resolution
of
intention.
AC
The
deadlines
that
I
mentioned
are
in
this
next
slide.
The
proposed
dates
are
are
shown
above.
These
dates
are
all
triggered
off
that
March
15
2023
demand
letter
we
received
the
initial
45-day
period
will
expire
on
April
29
2023.
That's
the
deadline
that
we
would
have
to
adopt
a
resolution
of
attention
and
would
begin
the
90-day
Safe
Harbor
period.
Now
the
on
April
29.
That's
not
the
day
that
we
were
proposed,
this
be
done.
April
25
would
be
the
date
that
it
would
be
done.
AC
The
next
deadline,
or
next
series
of
events
that
we
show
in
the
table
that
you
show
that
you
see
here,
is
between
May
and
July
and
in
this
time
period,
where
the
first
time
period,
we
would
be
holding
two
public
hearings.
That's
required
under
the
the
election
codes
to
have
two
public
hearings
within
30
days,
each
of
each
other
to
discuss
the
composition
of
the
districts.
AC
The
next
item
on
this
timeline
is
in
that
June
and
July
time
period.
Two
additional
public
hearings
have
to
be
held
within
45
days
of
each
other,
and
this
would
also
include
a
community
Workshop
to
discuss
the
district
Maps.
AC
All
of
this
can
be
done
within
the
time
allotted.
July
28
is
the
last
date.
That's
when
the
135
days,
a
total
period
would
elapse.
We
would
propose-
or
if
the
council
directs
us
to
move
forward
with
this,
we
would
have
this
completed
by
July.
18
July
18
would
be
the
second
public
Hearing
in
that
time,
that
June
July
time
period
would
be
the
second
reading
of
the
ordinance.
AC
Some
of
the
primary
considerations
which
have
to
be
considered
tonight
are
what
happens
or
whether
we
want
to
continue
our
current
practice,
which
is
by
far
the
most
common
practice
of
having
our
mayor
elected
annually
by
their
fellow
council
members.
This
would
allow
for
the
creation
of
five
separate
districts
with
the
council
member
elected
by
each
district.
AC
AC
Another
item
to
consider
is
what
happens
when
two
or
more
incumber
incumbent
council
members
are
within
the
same
district
in
this
type
of
scenario,
that
we've
just
got
a
couple
of
possibilities
here
in
the
event
that
two
or
more
members
incumbent
council
members
in
the
same
district,
the
2024
incumbents
would
would
run
against
each
could
run
against
each
other
in
that
2024
election
and
it's
the
event
that
the
2026
incumbent,
I'm.
AC
Sorry,
if
the
inventor
2024,
both
incumbents,
are
in
the
same
district,
they
would
run
against
each
other
in
that
2024
one
would
be
selected
to
represent
that
district
and
the
other
would
no
longer
be
on
the
council
in
the
event
that
it's
a
2024
incumbent
and
a
2026
incumbent
both
could
run
in
that
2024
election
and
in
the
event
that
the
the
incumbent,
that's
the
2024,
it
would
be
elected
to
that
District.
The
other
incumbent
would
remain
on
the
council
to
serve
out
his
at
at
large
term
until
2026.
AC
in
the
event
that
the
2026
incumbent
would
win
that
election,
then
the
he
would
forfeit
the
actually.
The
last
two
years
of
his
current
incumbency
would
go
away
and
he
would
be
elected
to
a
four-year
term
and
his
term
would
end
in
2028.
AC
Of
course,
the
easiest
solution,
one
of
the
incomes
relocates
to
another
District,
now
the
the
process
here
and
how
we
go
about
this
is
really
up
to
us.
The
California,
Voting
Rights
Act
does
not
give
us
a
whole
lot
of
Direction
other
than
the
governing
body
shall
give
special
consideration
to
the
purposes
of
the
ACT.
Therefore,
if
there
is
a
district
which
doesn't
have
a
member
or
one
of
those,
those
would
wouldn't
be
one
of
the
first
elections
that
would
be
would
want
to
have
a
council
member
appointed
to.
AC
Conclusions
and
next
steps,
the
if
I,
haven't
made
it
clear
already,
the
California
Voting
Rights
Act
establishes
a
very
low
threshold
to
challenges.
In
fact,
we
know
of
no
other
agency,
which
has
successfully
been
able
to
oppose
one
of
these
challenges.
We
are
once
we
submit
this
to
questions.
Any
questions
related
to
that
we'll
have
Mr
Johnson
respond
to
as
a
depth
of
knowledge.
That
is
very
thorough
when
it
relates
to
this
city
council
desires
to
make
this
type
of
transition
a
transition
into
Safe
Harbor
rules.
AC
It
must
finalize
these
steps
within
the
short
period
of
time
that
I've
outlined
or
out
laid
out
for
you,
one
of
the
first
of
which
would
be
to
return
with
a
resolution
of
intention
at
the
very
next
meeting
and
provide
us
Direction
on
how
we'd
like
to
proceed.
If
we
move
in
that
direction,
whether
we're
going
to
a
district-based
mayor
or,
and
the
number
of
districts.
R
You
Mr
Mayor
and
staff.
Thank
you
for
your
presentation,
I'm,
sorry
to
sound
like
a
broken
record,
since
this
is
the
third
time
I've
asked
counting
the
staff
meeting,
but
I
just
want
to
be
clear
for
the
Public's
sake
on
the
questions
that
are
before
us,
as
distinct
from
questions
that
are
not
question
number
one,
of
course,
is
whether
we
as
a
council,
decide
to
proceed
with
moving
toward
districts
and
then
question
two
slash.
R
Three
is
the
number
of
districts
if
we
keep
them
and
and
as
a
related
question,
whether
whether
we
would
elect
a
mayor
at
large
or
whether
we
would
continue
our
current
system
of
having
five
Council
numbers,
but
each
would
be
in
a
different
district.
Is
that
is
that
accurately
describe
the
questions
before
us
tonight?.
AC
It
does
it
one
thing:
I
would
point
out
that
the
whether
or
not
we
have
an
at-large
mayor
or
continue
our
current
practice,
that
kind
of
goes
back
into
the
number
of
districts
that
we
have
so
I
didn't
separate
it
out.
But
that's
one
of
the
questions
that
need
to
be
considered
and
discussed
tonight
is:
if
we
have
continue
with
five
districts,
we
would
presume
that
that
means
we
would
continue
with
our
practice
of
the
fellow
council
members
electing
the
mayor
on
an
annual
basis.
AC
B
AD
Okay,
I
didn't
know
if
you
could
hear
me.
Thank
you
very
much
good
evening,
mayor
Matty,
May
and
City
Council
Members.
My
name
is
Sally
Hibbets
and
I.
My
family
and
I
have
been
City
residents
since
1973.
I
applaud
the
city
and
taking
up
this
agenda
item
and
tonight
the
council
should
expeditiously
move
towards
furthering
this
process,
which
is
democratically
wise
and
more
Equitable
than
our
current
at
large
system.
I
equally
applaud
Chase
Rasheed
for
taking
up
this
issue
and
bringing
our
city
into
a
more
modern
and
people-oriented
voting
process.
AD
All
I
can
say
is
it's
about
time.
I
often
hear
comments
from
this
Deus
that
Sacramento
is
forcing
us
to
do
whatever
or
articulating
a
fear
of
big
government
taking
over
and
creating
negative
impacts.
Yes,
the
courts
and
Sacramento
lawmakers
perhaps
are
forcing
this
issue
upon
our
city,
but
they
have
also
provided
you
with
a
wonderful
new
tool
which
actually
will
make
our
city
more
represent,
have
our
large
city
representation,
far
smaller
and
thus
more
responsive.
AD
So
this
is
your
chance
to
actually
bring
small
government
to
our
community
and
please
don't
waste
it.
We
need
a
yes
from
you
for
smaller
government.
We
need
a
yes
vote
tonight
to
help
minimize
the
negative
influence
of
special
interest
groups
of
all
types.
We
also
need
a
yes
vote
to
help
support
potential
candidates
from
all
parts
of
the
city
and
backgrounds
at
large
voting
was
seen
as
workable
in
the
small
towns
of
the
19th
century.
Today,
beyond
the
inherent
bias
of
at
large
voting.
AD
AD
AE
Okay,
perfect.
Thank
you
good
evening,
Thousand
Oaks
City
Council
Members.
My
name
is
Valerie
Aguilar
and
I'm.
A
resident
of
Thousand
Oaks
I
have
lived
in
Thousand
Oaks
for
the
majority
of
my
life.
I
have
attended
schools
here,
I
graduated
from
high
school
here
in
2020
and
I'm
a
registered
voter
in
a
thousand
notes.
Today,
I'm
speaking
in
favor
of
the
transition
to
district-based
elections,
district-based
elections
would
provide
council
members
with
a
clear
constituency,
give
the
public
a
voice
and
ensure
that
everyone
can
be
represented.
AE
District-Based
elections
would
provide
the
representation
for
all
25,
000,
plus
residents
of
Thousand
Oaks.
This
would
include
more
representation
for
our
communities
of
color
in
Thousand
Oaks,
especially
for
our
Latino
and
Hispanic
community
in
census,
track
61.02
63
of
the
population
identifies
as
Hispanic
or
Latino
in
areas
that
are
considered
Westlake
Village
in
southern
areas
of
Thousand
Oaks.
Only
five
to
nineteen
percent
of
the
population
identify
to
Hispanic
or
Latino
growing
up
as
a
member
of
a
Latino
household
I
had
become
aware
of
the
lack
of
representation
within
Thousand.
AE
Oaks
I
have
witnessed
many
city,
council
members
and
candidates
over
time,
not
politically
and
socially
engaging
with
our
Latino
and
Hispanic
community.
Therefore,
I
have
felt
that
our
needs
in
this
community
have
not
been
met
to
the
full
extent,
as
we
had
previously
advocated
for
more
Equity
within
our
city
council.
AE
When
personal
statements
were
shared
of
the
Prejudice
our
community
had
faced
within
Thousand
Oaks,
we
were
met
with
backlash
from
both
city
council
members
and
the
public
alike.
This
in
itself
is
disheartening,
as
I
had
hoped
to
be
voting
in
candidates
that
would
address
the
needs
of
our
communities
in
our
constituents,
regardless
of
their
backgrounds.
In
addition,
every
other
census
trapped
in
Thousand
Oaks
has
a
median
age
of
over
38..
AE
How
can
we
ensure
that
we
have
a
comprehensive
city
council
if
we
only
have
five
members
that
are
supposed
to
represent
all
125
000
plus
of
us
transitioning
to
district-based
elections
can
amplify
missed,
represented
communities
like
our
communities
of
color
and
young
voters
transitioning
to
district-based
elections
can
allow
for
more
diversity
within
our
city
council,
with
the
needs
of
constituents
that
in
the
past
have
been
overlooked
and
district-based
elections
can
allow
comprehensive
policies
and
reform
from
our
local
government.
That
will
make
us
all
feel
welcome.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank.
AF
Thank
you
very
much,
Mr
Mayor.
Thank
you
city,
council.
I.
Just
want
to
say
that
I
do
support.
District-Based
elections
to
is
roughly
five
times
the
size
it
was
when
it
was
founded.
We
rarely
have
had
a
member
of
City
Council
of
a
minority
background.
I
can
only
think
of
one
Hispanic
council
member
in
the
35
years
that
I've
lived
here.
I
would
also
appreciate,
if
you
would
consider
making
the
mayorship
an
at
Large.
I
am
separate
from
the
council
itself.
AF
I
think
that
an
elected
mayor
would
be
a
nice
backstop
for
for
staffing
issues
that
we
can
occasionally
have
no
negative
reflection
on
our
current
city
manager.
Who
is
absolutely
amazing,
but
there
have
been
times
in
our
in
our
recent
history
where
it
would
have
been
nice
to
have
somebody
else
at
the
helm,
so
to
speak,
who
was
accountable
to
the
population
and
when
that
didn't
happen,
I
think
that
the
city
found
itself
in
a
place
where
it
it
was.
AF
It
wasn't
sure
how
to
respond
and
I
think
that
a
mayor
council
set
up
would
be
more
effective
to
deal
with
those
kind
of
Personnel
issues.
How
how
the
agenda
is
set
for
the
city
as
a
whole
and
in
listening
to
the
conversations
about
rule
changes
at
your
previous
meeting?
AF
It
sounded
to
me,
like
a
number
of
the
members
of
our
current
city
council,
would
be
inclined
to
have
a
mayor
who
had
a
greater
command
of
of
how
the
agenda
is
set
and
and
a
different
set
of
powers
and
I
think
it
would
make
more
sense
if
that
person
was
elected
in
a
general
election.
Well,
council
members
were
elected
in
individual
districts
that
made
them
accountable
to
smaller
sacraments
of
population.
I
hope
that
makes
sense
to
everybody.
I
appreciate
your
time.
B
AB
AB
I've
lived
in
communities
with
at-large
elections,
all
my
life
and
I've
lived
in
the
areas
where
the
people
were
and
have
been
underrepresented
in
Santa
Barbara
I
was
young,
I
didn't
realize
it
then,
but
now,
looking
back
I
can
see
how
there
was
very
much
under
representation
of
minorities,
lower
income
communities,
all
of
that
and
I
stepped
forth
on
this
issue,
because
I
think
it's
time
for
this
city
to
move
forward.
There
are
other
cities
in
the
county
that
have
done
it
even
Ohio,
which
is
the
smallest
city
in
this
County.
AB
They
moved
forward
with
districts
and
I
recall
something
from
a
previous
election
that
a
council
member
said
as
a
candidate
council.
Member
Adam
did
mention
the
prospect
of
neighborhood
councils
by
District,
which
is
different
than
electing
city
council
by
District,
but
I
believe
that
showed
that
at
least
one
leader
at
the
helm
of
this
Council
right
now
knows
that
there's
a
benefit
of
individual
neighborhoods
having
individual
representation
now
they're
very
well
defined
boundaries
in
this
city,
they're
easy
to
they're
easy
to
see
you
cross
Lynn
Road
you're
in
Newbury
Park.
AB
AB
There
are
a
lot
of
people
who
don't
like
how
much
money
goes
into
politics.
If
you
have
districts
that
brings
down
the
amount
of
money,
it
would
be,
that
would
be
needed
for
someone
to
run
for
a
counselor
would
lower
the
amount
needed
for
the
candidate
statement,
which
is
right
now,
it's
very
high,
so
I
really
would
like
to
see
this
transition
happen.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you.
Next
up,
we
have
Carol
CJ
as
I
know
you,
and
we
also
have
next
up
Sue
Gunther
Sue,
please
come
on
over
and
have
a
seat
behind
and
you'll
be
the
next
speaker
CJ.
You
have
three
minutes.
AG
Here
in
the
room
and
those
virtually
my
name
is,
it
says:
CJ
kevney.
Last
month,
I
celebrated
my
32nd
year
of
being
a
fortunate
resident
of
Thousand
Oaks.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
I
live
in
Newbury
Park
and
at
one
point,
during
that
time
period
there
were
three
council
members
who
lived
in
Newbury
Park,
that's
good
for
someone
like
myself
living
in
Newbury
Park,
however
I'm
sure
other
parts
of
the
city
may
have
come
out
on
the
short
end
of
the
stick.
AG
That's
why
I'm
here
in
favor
of
the
motion,
I
I,
think
that
it
would
greatly
enhance
the
voting
power
of
all
citizens
in
Thousand
Oaks.
AG
If
we
go
to
a
district-based
election
and
in
addition,
I'd
like
to
point
out
the
cautionary
tale
of
a
city
not
too
far
from
here
that
tried
to
fight
this,
and
there
are
now
millions
of
dollars
in
debt
through
legal
fees
of
trying
to
ward
off
this
decision
of
having
district-based
election
I
think
that
the
taxpayers
and
the
hard-earned
grants
money
can
be
better
spent
for
CIP
projects
as
opposed
to
legal
fees.
AG
I
do
agree
with
the
recommendation
of
Staff,
however.
I'd
like
to
make
one
edit,
there
is
a
use
of
the
word
weather
in
some
cases,
weather
creates
doubt
or
uncertainty,
and
so,
instead
of
using
the
weather
I
would
cause.
You
recommend
that
you
say
that
the
City
attorney
will
begin
to
process
the
transition
to
district-based
election
and
the
number
of
districts
to
consider
and
bring
back
a
resolution
of
intentions
of
transition
to
the
city
election
that
creates
certainty
and
I
think
to
quote
an
old
ad
tagline.
Just
do
it.
Thank
you.
Thank.
AH
Thank
you
thank
you
and
I
would
just
like
to
say
ditto
to
what
has
just
been
said
by
Carol
kevny
and
also
by
Chase
Rasheed
I've,
known
Chase
for
a
number
of
years,
and
he's
a
very
fine
young
man
who
is
very
civic-minded.
All
I
can
say
is
that
our
country
was
founded
on
the
idea
that
of
taxation
without
representation
is
tyranny,
and
we
need
the
most
representation,
the
most
representation
possible
in
our
national
state
and
city
government,
in
order
to
create
the
greatest
benefits
of
democracy.
AC
I
I
would
respond
to
one
of
the
speakers
that
was
suggesting
the
type
of
Mayor
system
that
we
have
there
I
think
there
was
an
impression-
and
it
was
probably
my
fault
for
not
clarifying
the
type
of
Mayor
system
that
we
would
have
the
mayor.
AC
Even
an
at-large
elected
mayor
would
have
the
exact
same
powers
and
Authority
as
his
fellow
council
members
I
think
the
speaker
was
talking
about
a
strong
mayor
type
position
that
could
exist
in
a
charter
City,
but
we
are
a
general
law
City
and
the
the
type
of
consideration
that
we're
asking
the
council
to
give
us
Direction
on
is
whether
to
have
a
at
large
elected
mayor,
but
that
mayor
would
have
the
exact
same
power
of
His
fellow
council
members,
any
other
things.
I
think
that
was
all
of
our
our
comments.
B
Thank
you,
City
attorney.
B
Any
other
stuff
council
members
any
questions
of
staff
at
this
point.
Okay,
that's
open
for
discussion;
Council,
Mr,
Adam,.
Q
Q
An
elected
mayor
would
have
no
more
Authority
or
weight
whatever
the
word
you
want
to
use
and
any
of
the
other
council
members
and
in
fact,
an
elected
mayor,
even
though
that
would
be
the
case,
could
give
up
the
perception
to
the
public
that
somehow
they
had
more
power
than
the
fellow
council
members
and
that's
something
that
I
personally
would
want
to
avoid.
Frankly,
the
other
problem
with
how
many
elected
mayor
is,
we
would
not
be
within
the
timeline
for
for
the
Safe
Harbor.
Would
we
we'd
have
to.
AC
Q
Amendment
sticking
to
this
timeline
is
important
and
and
I
would
just
say
too.
As
far
as
past
practices,
we've
had
a
appointed
mayor
for
60
years.
It
almost
59
actually-
and
it's
worked
quite
well
and
I'll-
say
this
as
well.
Canal
wrecking
park
has
five
districts,
Valley
Unified
School
District
has
five
districts.
It
seems
to
me
that
the
city
of
Thousand
Oaks
should
follow
suit
with
five
districts,
so
I
would
be
opposed
to
an
elected
mayor
and
I
think
we
should
continue
to
honor
our
past
and
go
within
a
point
of
Mayor
very.
R
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
just
trying
to
get
my
mouse
to
work.
There,
I
I
hate
to
disagree
with
my
friend
Mr
bus,
who
testified
not
least
because
he's
six
foot
five,
but
but
I
do
concur
with
council
member
Adams
comments
about
just
on
the
mayor
topic.
R
I
I
too,
would
oppose
having
an
at
large
mayor
and
then
and
then
District
council
members,
for
the
reason
that
council
member
Adams
stated
there
would
be
an
erroneous
perception
on
the
Public's
part
that
the
mayor,
somehow
that
that
vote
counted
for
more
because
it
was
at
large
while
everyone
else
was
at
districts
and
that
that
just
wouldn't,
but
would
not
be
the
case,
I
can
think
of
at
least
four
other
reasons
why
this
might
not
be
a
good
idea.
One
is
besides
what
the
public
perception
is.
R
There's
also
the
perception
inside
that
mayor's
mind
that
that
what
we
would
be
doing
is
essentially
we,
the
Public
Funding,
what
is
essentially
at
a
very
expensive
city-wide,
beauty,
contest
and
I.
Don't
really
think
the
public
interest
could
be
well
served
by
that
as
well,
that
an
elected
mayor
position
because
of
its
prominence,
might
be
perceived
as
a
leapfrog
position
toward
higher
elective
office,
State
or
national
level
and
again
I.
R
Don't
think
that
serves
the
public
interest
of
having
all
of
our
Representatives
well
represented
by
people
who
live
here
are
going
to
serve
here
and
stay
here.
So
so
that
too,
would
be
an
a
negative
outcome
of
having
an
elected
mayor.
R
There's
also
a
really
nice
tradition.
We
have
on
the
Council
of
our
annual
reorg
meeting
and
whatever
your
beliefs
are
whatever
background.
You
have.
Everyone
comes
together
once
a
year
and
has
this
very
celebratory
occasion
where
we
rotate
we
all
come
together.
We
all
witness
our
Council
choose
one
of
their
own
and
then
that's
the
next
person
and
I
went
through
this
at
a
lower
level,
twice
like
in
eight
years
of
a
Planning
Commission
I
served
twice
as
chair
and
I
also
served
with
many
other
chairs,
and
that
was
good
for
every
commissioner.
R
It
got
everyone
involved
in
having
to
manage
a
meeting
under
sometimes
contentious
conditions,
and
it
got
other
members
of
the
panel
who
observe
and
maybe
hopefully
learn
how
to
do
how
to
do
that.
Difficult
job
as
well
I
think
there's
a
real
benefit
in
having
that
role
rotate
along
around
around
the
whatever
panel
it
is,
and
that
does
serve
a
public
interest
and
then
finally,
there
was
mention
made
of
our
our
recent
discussion
about
rules
and
I
have
a
slightly
different
recollection
of
that
discussion
in
that
I.
R
Think
the
consensus
on
most
things
was
that
for
major
changes,
the
consensus
was
that
that's
something
the
council
as
a
whole
should
decide
and
again
for
that
reason,
I
think
it
would
be
best
to
retain
that
power
at
the
council
level.
My
one
final
comment
is
that
I
I
agree
with
public
comments
that
have
made
anything
that
that
encourages,
promotes,
makes
our
government
more
accessible
to
all
of
our
residents
is
something
that
I
strongly
favor,
so
I
I
too,
will
work
with
this
change.
Thank
you.
Mr.
B
Thank
you
as
the
mayor
I'm,
going
to
lay
down
some
options
here
on
how
we
can
clarify
this
for
our
wonderful
City
Clerks.
So
we
have
a
clear
motion
here
and
I'd
like
to
suggest
the
following:
if
council
members
are
okay
with
this
as
council
member
Newman
articulated
earlier,
we
have
two
items
here
to
to
look
at
first
item
is:
do
we
want
to
go
into
districts?
B
Second
item
is:
how
does
that
District
look?
Is
it
one
with
five
districts
or
is
it
one
with
four
districts
and
one
mayor
elected
every
four
years,
I'd
like
to
suggest
we
do
a
straw
poll
and
then
that
will
frame
up
the
motion
that
one
of
you
will
bring
forth
so
I
like
to
deal
with
the
first
one
of?
Should
we
go
over
to
districts,
councilman
Taylor?
Should
we
go
to
districts
or
not?
Yes,.
L
B
A
Q
I
think
God
forbid
appreciate
your
attempt
to
keep
things
brief.
It's
good!
That's
what
the
Mayors
should
do.
I
just
would
like
to
say
I.
Think
districts
are
going
to
make
running
for
office
in
Thousand
Oaks,
simpler,
they're,
going
to
make
it
cheaper
and
they're
going
to
involve
a
lot
more
people,
especially
from
underrepresented
areas,
and
maybe
some
young
people
too,
because
after
all
you're
going
to
be
running
now
in
your
extended
neighborhood
versus
the
entire
city,
so
cheaper,
simpler,
better
representation,
yeah.
B
R
B
B
L
C
M
B
P
Thank
you
mayor
members
of
the
council.
The
recommendation
before
you
denied
on
this
item
is
to
approve
the
appointment
of
Cynthia
Rodriguez
is
a
retired
and
new
attend
hourly
employee
to
approve
the
transfer
of
an
existing
budget
funds
and
authorize
expenditure?
Those
funds,
as
outlined
in
the
staff
report,
and
find
that
the
action
does
not
constitute
as
a
project
as
defined
in
sequa
under
Calpers
rules
when
a
an
employee
retires
from
the
city
and
retires
in
the
Calpers
system.
P
You're
not
allowed
to
go
back
in
and
and
continue
to
to
accrue
time
in
that
system.
There
are
some
very
limited
exceptions
where
a
retiree
can
come
back
out
and
work
for
a
city.
The
exception
that
we're
looking
at
here
tonight
is
when
you
have
a
retired
annuitant
who
would
be
coming
back
to
a
part-time
employment
situation
that
they
have
skills
that
are
needed
to
perform.
The
work
that
is
is
needed
by
the
city
and
it's
for
a
limited
duration.
P
This
temporary
employment
situation
is
limited
to
a
maximum
of
960
hours
per
fiscal
year.
Ms
Rodriguez
served
as
the
city
clerk
for
a
number
of
jurisdictions,
culminating
with
a
number
of
years
with
the
city
of
Thousand,
Oaks,
she's,
very
familiar
with
the
election
process
and
and
particularly
as
that
applies
in
our
city.
P
She
has
Knowledge
and
Skills
that
will
be
very
helpful
in
assisting
staff
and
the
council
in
navigating
this
process
that
you
are
just
just
discussing,
and
so
we
would
request
the
council's
concurrence
to
authorize
her
to
be
brought
back
as
a
retired,
annuitant
hourly
employee,
and
that
is
staff's
report
available
for
any
questions
that
you
might
have.
B
Q
B
B
B
I
personally
would
like
to
say
that
it's
it's
a
welcomed
return
of
Cindy
Rodriguez
yeah.
She
brings
a
level
of
expertise
to
the
table
to
guide
us
through
this
process
and
it's
similar
as
Mark
Town
came
back
to
help
us
guide
us
through
the
general
plan
and
I
was
unfortunately
when
Mark
came
on,
I
or
Mark
retired
I
was
coming
on
and
I
said
well,
I'm
never
going
to
be
able
to
work
with
the
man
and
sure
enough.
He
came
back
and
here
I
am
with
Cindy
Rodriguez
and
I.
B
E
M
B
Move
down
to
City
Manager,
missing,
ingrah
Hardy,
any
comments,
great.
K
B
I'd
like
to
remind
everyone
about
Uber,
Earth
Day
happening
April,
15,
a
wonderful
event.
The
bounce
house
is
also
there
for
those
who
are
children,
as
well
as
the
adults
who
are
children
at
heart.
I
expect
to
see
our
council
member
Al
Adam
having
a
wonderful
time
there.
With
that
said,
we're
going
to
adjourn
to
our
next
regular
meeting,
April
25th
foreign.